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On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP reacts to Dan Hurley's decision to stay at UConn. Dan Woike of the LA Times discusses where the Lakers will pivot to next in their coaching search. 49ers TE George Kittle previews this year's Tight End U event in Nashville. Plus, Actor Laurence Fishburne gives insight on his preparation for portraying Doc Rivers in FX's 'Clipped'.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
That's the Yukon Husky fan base. You're allowed to exhale
Danny Hurley or Dan Hurley is staying as Connecticut's head coach.
Come on in, stay awhile the big news yesterday. We'll
explore this from both sides here. But with Connecticut, they're
going to up the ante for Dan Hurley. And initially

(00:28):
I thought, okay, be tough to turn that down. It's
the Lakers Lebron the money. But I kept coming back
to a couple of things. He was happy at Connecticut,
his family's happy at Connecticut, his wife is happy at Connecticut,
and he's cracked the code. It feels like in college basketball.
How important is it three peat to him? I didn't know.

(00:48):
Now we're finding out it is important to him. But
he's going to get paid. I wondered if this was
a leverage play that all of a sudden it got
a little more serious. And then you go out to
Los Angeles and I said, if they don't sign him
and he comes back, I don't think he's going back
to the Lakers. And that's what happened yesterday. All Right, Well,
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four hundred cities that carry the program. So the big
news is Dan Hurley turns down the Lakers. Now what
do the Lakers do? This is a big off season loss.
This is an l and it's a capitol L. It's

(01:54):
in big letters like the Hollywood Sign. It would be
a letter that big with the Lakers because you paid
But did you pay enough? Could you have paid him more?
Dan Hurley wanted security, he wanted money, but I think
in the end he was going to get both at Connecticut.
Now it's not going to be on the level of
what he was going to have with the Lakers. But

(02:15):
with the Lakers going into a tricky situation, Lebron ad
maybe you have to bring in Bronnie and you have
to learn that job. You know, the NBA, you have
to learn. You have to adapt to that. The players,
the amount of money that they make, they can say
no to you. They don't want to play tonight. There's
load management. There's a lot going on now. There's a

(02:35):
lot going on in college basketball as well. But it
feels like, as I said earlier, Dan Hurley has cracked
the code a little bit here.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Now you'd go after a couple of big names.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
He gets transfers in there, and he's also getting recruits
that may not be five star. You got some nil
money to play with here. He has a system in place. Now,
how does this sound? Dan Hurley? We reached out. He
can't join us today on the recruiting trail. If he
goes into a recruits home today and says the following,

(03:06):
I'd rather coach you than I would Lebron.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
WHOA.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Okay, if you're going to put it into that perspective,
those words, and he can say that I chose you
come on in and play let's go for a three
pet I'm staying here now. I wondered about these recruits
who had already committed, and they're probably going, is.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
He is he gonna leave? Wait?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
What's going on here? And you got that balance there,
You're like, Okay, I'm gonna listen to the Lakers here,
but I want to be respectful to these kids. And
I did say that he was going to come back
and he had to meet with his kids, and just
what was that going to be like yesterday? And we
started to hear whispers. Nobody was reporting that there were

(03:50):
a lot of positives. People were going, I think he's
going to stay. I think he's going to stay. And
then I wonder what that must have been like with
the Lakers. You go into their front off and all
of a sudden, Jeanie Buss and Rob Polenka are like,
we heard did he say any news?

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Nope?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
What's Woja saying? And then all of a sudden we
realized that he was staying. Now, all of a sudden,
you're going to have a couple other people there. Does
JJ Reddick get back in the front of the line.
Who is going to be the next Laker head coach,
and it's is it still a desirable job? I brought
this up a couple of times during the season, even

(04:27):
when the season ended, when they fired Darvinham, I said,
is this a desirable job? Were they cheap with Dan Hurley?
Did Dan Hurley really have any intention of going to
Los Angeles and staying there? So a lot of things
are still there and questions to be answered, And hopefully
we'll get a chance to talk to Dan Hurley when

(04:48):
he's done on his recruiting trail. But I don't blame him.
I'd be out today and I would be there. I'd
go in with a Yukon warm up jacket on and
say here I am, I'm coming here to get you.
I'm not coaching Lebron. I'm coaching you, all right. Eight
seven to seven three DP Show operator Tyler standing by
your phone, calls Seaton. What's poll question today?

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Well, we might as well start with the negatives. What
team is having the worst week? Dallas Mavericks not going well? Okay,
Edmonton Oilers not going well, the LA Lakers not going well.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
This is the Lakers, I mean, this is this is
a hit to the franchise. You got the Celtics on
the verge of surpassing the Lakers with NBA championships.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Dallas.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
I didn't think they were going to win this series. Edmonton.
I didn't think they were going to win this series.
The Clippers got a new building and the Lakers got nothing.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
It's a hit.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
It's a hit to one of the storied franchises in
all of sports. There, Dan Hurley turned you down. If
you fire somebody, usually you fire somebody you know who
you want to hire. That's usually, you know, kind of
a common theme with you know, owners or gms, like
all right, we're going to fire that guy because we're
going to hire that guy if Dan Hurley came out

(06:18):
of nowhere or at least last week. But then Woades
said he was the top guy. So they kept this
quiet the entire time. And I'd always thought that this
was a little flirtation there, that Hurley has to be like,
you know, hey, Dad, the Lakers are interested in talking
to me.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Oh, okay, we should explore it.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Because he was still waiting for his contract that he
signed in twenty twenty three to be ripped up and
he got a new deal, and I thought, maybe this
is just a, you guys aren't interested in giving me
what I want. The Lakers are interested in me, and
then all of a sudden, the Lakers go, wait, you're
interested in us now. I don't know if this is

(06:58):
how it played out in my mind, I'm thinking Dan
Hurley wants to stay on the East Coast, he wants
to get paid, he wants to go for a three peet.
I got this figured out, I got my system. I
love the area, my wife wants to stay here, my
parents are here, and uh what it'd be nice if
I got my contract ripped up so it would be

(07:18):
commensurate to somebody.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Who's won back to back titles.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Okay, and then all of a sudden, your agent may say, hey,
you know, I get ask the Lakers. They're interested. Okay,
I can't hurt anything. Maybe give us a little leverage.
And then the Lakers all of a sudden go, uh, hey,
are you interested? Yeah, I'll talk to you. Wait, he's
interested now all of a sudden, Now, all of a sudden,

(07:41):
we got a little bit more going on there. Sometimes
you're in a relationship you don't know. I don't love you,
but you love me. I guess I can love you.
How much you're going to pay me? And then all
of a sudden, I'm going you better get up there
to Monty William's numbers. You better get to thirteen million
dollars a year. You can't, you can't go all in

(08:01):
and then go no, no, we're not gonna go all in.
We're gonna we're not going into the deep end here. Okay,
I'm not giving you Steve Kerr money. I got that.
We're not gonna give you Pop money, Eric Spolster money. Okay,
where do I fit in there? Well, Monty Williams is
making thirteen million to coach the Pistons to the worst
record in basketball.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
How about we start there.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
How about you give me a little more than many Williams.
How about fourteen million dollars a year? How about you
give me the security? You give me what seven years?
One hundred million dollars?

Speaker 3 (08:33):
How's that? Then? You got me?

Speaker 2 (08:36):
You got me. Now we make the headlines. We're back.
We're going to change the system here. I'm gonna make
the Lakers better. Then all of a sudden, you're going,
you know, we were thinking, uh, I don't know, maybe
we give you a little more than ten million year.
Now I know that's a lot of money, But did
money play a role? They always say, uh, you know, no, No,

(08:58):
it wasn't about the money, and then it's about the
money in this situation, I don't think it was because
I do think Dan Hurley wanted to stay at Connecticut.
I think he was intrigued by the Lakers. I don't
think he wanted to stay. Yes, Tom, but if you
subscribe to.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
The belief, and I don't know if you do that,
everybody has a price? Is there that magic number? They
want to stay? It's comfortable with families here, but I
always feel like, you know, you're just that one extra
dollar away.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
Fro him.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Let's go, I'll go coach to the Lakers. Let's see
what's all about.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah. I do believe everybody has a price, but I
also think what comes along with that price. I want
you to be all in, Hey, this is what it's
going to take if you want me. If you don't,
then I'll go back to Connecticut. I don't think you
can go. Man, I need a little more. I need
a little more. That would make me a little bit
nervous if I'm the Lakers, if I'm hiring somebody and

(09:45):
then I realize this has to be more than about money.
We have to take that off the table. That that's
not a question. We're paying you now, we want you
to come on. Now, we want your system, now, we
want your guidance, now, we want your insight.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
That's what you needed.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
And if you're gonna get tripped up by the like
take money out of there.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
So I don't go.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Come on, they're gonna give me six years seventy million
dollar contract. That's eight million less than many Williams.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Mike, what are you doing? Can't do that? Take it
off the table. If you're all in, you're all in.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
If not, then you're back where you were when you
didn't pay tylu or Monty Williams when you had a
chance to pay Monty Williams years ago.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Yes, that's the problem is that if you're the next guy,
you're walking in and you're like, so we're starting at
six years seventy, right, and the Lakers basically have to
say yes for the guy they didn't even want first, like, okay, yes,
we will start at six years seventy for our second choice.
This is the money we were given first choice guy.
But now second choice guy is demanding what first choice

(10:46):
guy was gonna get.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
See, I don't think they can go in with the
leverage that Hurley had. I don't think jj Reddick says,
I'm going to stay in the broadcast booth, uh borrega, Hey,
I'm going to go to the cabs.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Take the cabs. Jump cabs might be better.

Speaker 7 (11:02):
Yeah, but how do you start that relationship?

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Like, hey, six or seventy right, well, not quiet, We're
thinking more of six years fifty. Oh oh so I'm
not okay, yeah, all right, I guess it's tough. Sorry,
the early thing didn't work out. It is saying you
got some money. Yes, it is tough. It is tough.

Speaker 8 (11:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
If they had one of those l's in Hollywood, like
Laker Gold today, because that's what it is. Oh, painted
purple and gold, that's what it is. I mean, that's
a that's a loss. That's a big loss. Dog, Yes, Marvin.

Speaker 9 (11:37):
Do you think Hurley looked at the contract and said, wait, wait,
I thought you guys said you were offering me a
massive deal here, seventy million for what we heard was
upwards of ninety one hundred million dollars. And he's looking
at going seventy now Mike, you cannot scoff at seventy
million dollars. He's like, look, I'm already rich.

Speaker 10 (11:54):
Here.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Wonder when Lebron got the news, although he did tweet
he says, is it me? I think he had something
like that. Well I don't know. Well, oh boy, all right,
So we'll see if we can advance this from the
Lakers perspective of now what is next and how many

(12:14):
candidates are they?

Speaker 10 (12:15):
Are?

Speaker 2 (12:16):
They opening the job search again. I'd like to have
a coach by draft night, and that's what a couple
of weeks away. I'm assuming they'll have their coach by
draft night?

Speaker 10 (12:30):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yes? How does this work?

Speaker 5 (12:32):
How does Dan Hurley let the Lakers know he's on
a conference call with Genie Bust and Rob Palinka, Like,
how exactly does he say thanks, but I'm going to
stay put. I'm just curious how that works behind the things.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Probably, just like you said.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
Who's involved in that initial call.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I'm assuming he's going to call, not his agent saying
he's going to turn you down. That would be Danny
Hurley saying, hey, I'm not going, but thank you, I'm honored,
and all the nice things there. Because the NBA is
going to be down the road for him. And I
said this at the time when we found out that
he was top on the priority list. I'm surprised it

(13:09):
happened this soon, because I thought that he would wait
a little while. He even said when we had him
on a couple of weeks ago, he said, you know,
I got to get more mature, you know. But you
know he's fifty one. I thought, maybe you get to
be fifty five, fifty six. You know, somewhere in that area.
You've done what you wanted to do. You left your
mark on college basketball. Now you want to take a

(13:31):
chance with the NBA. But I you know, nil and
transfer portal. He is utilizing that. He is succeeding because
of that, certainly with the transfer portal, because he's bringing
in players and you go, who's that guy, And then
all of a sudden, you see him out there and
you go, oh, that guy. And he's getting players who

(13:52):
were going to the NBA going to be lottery picks.
That's what you want if you're a recruit. What's the
system you're going to coach me. I'm going to be
a better player. I got a chance to play in
the NBA and probably not in that order, but he
cracked the code. All right, we'll get phone calls coming out.
We'll settle on our pole question. So what what's the

(14:13):
pole question? The official wording their seaton.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
We're going with, uh, which team is having the worst week?
We're also going to throw up there which team is
having the best week? Which is actually the exact inverse
of the worst week? Yeah, inverse the right word, and
I think it is. I think it is.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
How many coaches do you think the Lakers have had
since Phil Jackson left?

Speaker 3 (14:38):
If you said six, you would be correct. Yeah, six.

Speaker 11 (14:43):
Seven, Stand of the day, stand of the day, start
of the day, stant of a day. This is the
start of the day.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, I mean it's you got Mike Brown.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Let's see who else do you have?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Bernie Bickerstaff, Mike dan TONI, Byron Scott, Luke Walton, Frank Vogel,
Darvin Ham all since Phil Jackson. This is like the
Yankees like you, And look, there's a lot of these
teams we've seen like Alabama had a dip and then
they got Nick Saban. We've seen programs that go, you know,

(15:30):
Kentucky had the Billy Gillespie years, where there there was
a dip, and you know the Lakers are in a
dip right now. Yes, Marv, do all those coaches? Does
that count?

Speaker 9 (15:40):
After Phil's first time in LA, remember he took a
little hiatus also then came back.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, well this is since twenty eleven. Twenty eleven. All right,
let me take a break. We'll have more on the
Lakers here. Dan Woyke, he covers the Lakers for the
LA Times. You know, join us coming up next year.
A little bit later on, we'll talk to the great
actor Laurence Fishburn he plays Doc Rivers in the series Clipped.

(16:06):
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Speaker 2 (17:25):
So the big headline, Dan Hurley passes on the Lakers offer,
Panthers handled the Oilers. They're up two to zero and
the final more NFL teams open up mini camps. Mike
Tomlin got a contract extension as well. Eight seven seven
to three DP show email address dpat Danpatrick dot com,
Twitter handle a DP show Dan Woiki, the Lakers beat

(17:45):
reporter for the La Times, kind enough to get up
early with us. If I told you a week ago,
this is where we would be, you would have said
what I would.

Speaker 10 (17:55):
Have said, this is where we are, Dan, Right, a
week ago, we didn't know Dan Hurley was interested job.
We didn't know the Lakers were interested in this job.
We would have sat. I would have told you that
they are doing their due diligence in sort of a
low methodical way internally, but internally everybody thinks the job
is going to be JJ Reddick. That was where we

(18:15):
were last Wednesday. Right then, obviously, you know, Adrian Rojanowski
reports about Dan Hurley on Thursday morning. I was able
to quickly get that confirmed internally, and then kind of
you're off to the races over this weekend where the
number one choice emerges. And now, I mean, I think

(18:36):
what we knew about the coaching search before you know
a week ago has been kind of shaken a little
bit to its core and as of right now, I
don't really know where anything stands with them coming out
of this. It's say they put a lot of eggs
into this basket and have nothing to show for it except,
you know, some embarrassment.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Today and yesterday the perception hit for the Lakers. How
do you measure? How do you measure?

Speaker 13 (19:00):
Then?

Speaker 10 (19:01):
Well, I look, I think it's toofold. I think on
one hand, right like, they can say and they will
say that they did everything they could to get the
best possible coach into their building. And you know, you
shoot a shot like that. That's what you do if
you're a market franchise, right like, you take those kinds
of swings. I think though, the analogy I keep coming

(19:24):
back to over the last day or so Dan is
like if if you're gonna tell somebody that you love them,
you want to hear it back, and you want to
be pretty sure that you're going to hear it back,
right like, And I think you know, the Lakers were
exposed in this way on this right you hear things
like on Thursday that Dan Hurley with their choice allow

(19:46):
along right the front, the front and center of their surgeon.
They get him to Los Angeles and there's going to
be this offer and and all that stuff, and you
don't you don't leave with him as your coach. What
does that say about your process? Date? What does that
say about your process in terms of the other candidates
you've boken to? What does that say about the coach
that you eventually do hire Dan? Right? Like, I mean,

(20:08):
now we know whoever they hire isn't the guy that
they wanted most. And that's what I mean. I think
they had to have thought and I know people over
there thought that they were going to get Dan early,
that they thought the offer was good enough, that they
thought the opportunity was good enough. There were factors I
think they couldn't control. They don't happen to play in

(20:31):
the Mohican Sun and you know, on the Eastern seaboard.
Like I think that's there were geographic factors in this, right, Like,
this is very much an East Coast family. I think
that they don't have the opportunity to compete for a
third straight NCAA championship. They can't offer that, right Like,
So they can't offer the lure of doing something John

(20:53):
Wooden did last And then I think, honestly, like there's
just questions, and Dan Hurley knows what it like it
is like as you kind of head coach. You talk
people around the league about what life is like as
the Lakers type coach, and it's a very different story.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Is it a desirable job? I think so.

Speaker 10 (21:13):
I mean, look, right, like one, they're all desirable because
there's only so many of them. But but I think, yeah,
it's a desirable job. Look, you've got two superstars, You've
got a great place to live. You know, there's nothing
quite like being a famous Laker in Los Angeles, the
doors that opens. You know. I've had conversations you know,

(21:35):
over the years with the guy like Theader Jordan who
experienced it for a couple of months as a Laker,
but you know, years the Clipper and how different it was, right, Like,
it's just the different thing when you're a famous Laker.
The stars come to see you, right and not the
other way around. But there are challenges. It's a challenging
time in the organization's history right now, Like there is
a I don't want to say a reckoning that seems

(21:58):
a little dramatic, but there there are a cross strops
that are coming right Like if you resigned Lebron James,
and I expect them to. He's only getting older and
the pressure to win is only going up every day
that he's in the league right and performing at a
high level. He's maybe the most win now player in
NBA history by being a forty year old All NBA player.

(22:18):
There's no time to waste right and then. But you
also know the future is coming too, but you are
kind of stuck in that. I don't want to say
a two timeline situation, but you do have to. Yeah,
you have to plan for tomorrow while maximizing today. And
ask Steve Kerr how hard that was, you know with
Golden State when they try They tried to do that
with James Wiseman and Jonathan Comingo, also maximizing Steph Curry

(22:42):
and Clay Thompson, Dreven Green. It's a really hard thing
to do in the NBA, and you're doing it in
a play for the expectation of very high Benny.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Is there any talk of the Lakers not resigning Lebron.

Speaker 10 (22:54):
I haven't heard a credible other option. To be honest,
you know they want him. They wanted what they want
to do right by him. That that is what they
do organizationally, they take care of their stars, and they
want him to his career with the Lakers, and I
haven't heard a situation. I mean, I mean the closest right,
And I don't believe he's going to go to the

(23:15):
Philadelphia seventy six ers, but would be potentially a situation
where he could still get max money and compete for
a title instantly. Maybe a situation like that, And I
would expect the Sixers and there are more to chase,
But I just don't think. I think he's happy in
last things. I really believe that. But he wants to

(23:35):
be competitive here and he wants to see the organization
operating in a good way. And I think, you know,
he tweeted something yesterday in response to somebody saying, you know,
people don't think I'm that Lebron's about winning, and he's like,
they'll never learn. Yeah, he's about winning. He is about winning,
but I think at this stage in his career he's
about things like family. He's about things like you know,

(23:56):
comfortability as well, And it's a complicated decision and that
for him, it's not as simple as go take a
minimum to go play, you know, for the Warriors or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
He's Dan Woitki, he's the Lakers beat reporter for the
LA Times. When Danny Hurley came back and there was
no agreement in principle, there was not, and I said,
he's he's not going to take the job. I just
I felt once he got back home, yeah, like this
is almost that flirtation. And I don't know if it
was a leverage play or not that Hey, I'm going

(24:27):
to get a new deal at Ukonway. I don't have
that deal yet. What are we waiting for? You know,
let's let the Lakers know I'm interested, or maybe they're interested.
Maybe I'm a little more interested. Now I'm talking. Well,
oh now I got to go out there. I'm hearing
this off. Now I'm going back. Now I'm going wait
a minute, do I really want to do this? This
is where my home is. That was the feeling that

(24:49):
I got in real time with all of this. I
just don't know. Did the Lakers give him a deal.
I guess they gave him a deal that he could
turn down. But if it's a massive deal, and Woade
said that this is going to be as this isn't
a massive deal, he should be paid more than money,
will you. I mean, if you want him, get him.
And I don't know if it's all about money with Hurley,

(25:09):
probably not, but if you're the Lakers, you can't afford
to lose him.

Speaker 10 (25:14):
Yeah, Dan, I think the offer was both like simultaneously
fair and not enough right. It can be both right,
And I think if there was a financial misc calculation,
it was sort of you know that you have to
pay a tax on sentiments, right, you have to. You're paying.
Part of what you're paying Dan Hurley for is to

(25:35):
leave a life behind that is really the only life
he's ever known. And and I think, look, I tweeted
this and my initial reaction to the offer was, it's
a good offer. That's a lot of money for a
college coach when the track record of college coaches to
have that's in the NBA is very short, right the

(25:56):
lad coach who when it's there's only one who's never
won a title in BOE Open, it's Larry Brown. I
think there's only been forever damn that have coached in
the finals, in the final four. If you know, if
you if you would say like you're hiring Billy Donovan today,
that's like an overwhelming success when the you know this

(26:16):
is going to sound disrespectful, I don't mean it to
be when that you know, you could also be hiring
John Bulam, you know you could also be hiring uh,
John Calipari or Rick Patino right in terms of hiring
hot college James, and that transition is just brutal. So
I think the offer was it was reasonable, right like
Tylo has earned the right to make more money than

(26:37):
Dan Hurley, certainly, Steve Kirk, Greg Popovich, Eric Koster, the
Manti Williams thing is what it is, right like that
is the outlier on this one. And I think, look,
if you're an NBA owner, you're looking at Detroit's appetite
for paying money moving forwards too. I just think it
was I think you're right. I think like there this

(27:01):
was not the type of like my socks are blown
away offer And this was maybe a situation for some
talk blowing like like they probably needed to to godfather
him in that way, right, And that wasn't this This
was this was reasonable. I had heard some outrageous numbers
and the build up to this eight years, one hundred

(27:21):
and twenty million, like stuff like stuff that stuff you
hear and you have no idea where it comes from.
And that's the other thing too about this, Dan was
like this was so insulated, this really truly and I
have to like it came out of nowhere. I'd like
to think I've been pretty plugged in on this first.
To date, I haven't heard this name. I hadn't heard

(27:41):
this talk, and when it came along, it really did
share kind of what the Lakers process was the core
for me. And now you just kind of wonder to
go back to whe we start. Do you just start
where you left off or do you have to kind
of come up with some other you know, home run
swing and find somebody else that satisfied some of the

(28:06):
excitement that Dan Hurley's name kind of calls out here
in Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Oh boy, yep, that's it.

Speaker 10 (28:14):
I mean, I don't know how to spell that Dan.
I try to get it into all my stories that
exact exact for its time. It's just really hard. I
don't know how many evolved, how many ages are in there.
But I mean that's yeah, it's a Lakers coaching search.
I mean, here's the other thing this is it's not
entirely the same as where they were in twenty nineteen,
but they were at the three yard line with Tyleru,

(28:34):
you know, and didn't get that deal done. And everybody
thought their top two candidates at that time with Tyron
lew and Monning Williams. Tyron Luke took an assistant job
with the Clippers, Minnie Williams went to Phoenix, and the Lakers,
I guess, stumbled into their third choice in Frank Vogel,
and then they want to tie it now. Frank Vogel
had it was out in three years. It just this

(28:56):
is this is where they're at, and it just feels
like familiar roads them.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Is Ronnie coming to the Lakers? Is that a foregone conclusion?

Speaker 10 (29:06):
I look, I don't think they're gonna take him seventeen.
If he's there at fifty five, if he is there
earlier in the second round. I've spoken to people in
the Lakers scouting department and they have tried. It's impossible,
but they've tried to separate the prospect from the gene pool.

(29:29):
But look, I mean, there are things, there are things
to really like about Ronnie James in the second round.
He's projectable, he was a Medallisall American, He's a terrific athlete.
He played it the right way. If you're picking after
twenty Dan, it's a lottery pick generally speaking. Anyways, I'm sorry,
I like a scratcher, not an actual lottery pick in
this kid. But it's like a scratch off ticket. And
if you can curry a little favor too, I think sure,

(29:54):
so they're interested. I think there's no doubt that they're
interested in Bronni James and if but if they're going
to take my hunch, it would be sometime in the
second round. It wouldn't be in seventeen.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
If you could interview anybody today, who would it be
for the Lakers or just anybody who won the Lakers jumb.

Speaker 10 (30:15):
I mean, like you know, I mean I think there
were feelers put out to a lot of people, right
Like Jay Wright is a name that I've thought about
a lot since the Lakers had their coaching jobs. But like,
Jay Wright seemingly has one of the top five lives
in America right now, and he seems so happy, and
I just don't think he's interested.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
In Wait, of all the people that you could interview,
not the Lakers interviewing Oh oh wh what.

Speaker 10 (30:40):
I wanted to I want to talk to Lebron James today,
and I would want to know today how he feels honestly,
Like if I could do the sodium pentathal, like tell me,
like tell me exactly how you feel this moment, Like no,
no sub tweets anything like that. That to me, I
want to know that. And I would also love to
know what JJ Reddick was thinking today. Those are the

(31:02):
two people that I'm most interested in kind of where
their head spaces are in the aftermath and the Dan
Hurley teck.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I'm still shocked ESPN hasn't had JJ Reddick on through
all of this. You got the story in house he
works for you. Did you talk to them? When's the
last time you talked to them? How do you feel
about Dan Hurley being off for the job?

Speaker 10 (31:25):
You know?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Are you still interested? I mean, I you're my employee.
I have to have you come in. I have to
talk to you about this. It's like, do you know
it is?

Speaker 10 (31:38):
It's a bizarre media story too, Dan, Like there's elements
of that at play here. I think with JJ right,
the thing we kept hearing was that his focus was
on the finals, that the finals were calling. The finals
were a very big deal to JJ And if you
look at kind of the way that seat has transitioned
for ESPN, going from Jeff ban Gunn, who reportedly they

(32:01):
didn't love hearing about his flirtations with coaching, and kind
of every off season it was the same, you know,
he would be on the interview lists and stuff like that. Well,
then they replaced him with Doc Rivers and that goes
till about January until he goes and starts coaching again.
And then now the third person that's in that care
in less than a year is all of a sudden,
is a favorite for a coaching job. I think I

(32:25):
understand why they wouldn't want to highlight that to a
certain degree, but you're right, from a news standpoint, it's
like they can tell him like like hey, like you've
been on first day, Like let's sit down, like like
let's have this kind of ticket, go on NBA today,
talk to these people, Doc Dadrin ordon Narowski's sitting right
here at the table, like you know, he's right next

(32:45):
to you. But I just think there's just like the
cross pollinations and all this stuff, there's been so much
sensitivity to it. I think that's also sort of part
of the reason why we are here. You know, a
couple of weeks before the draft and the Lakers still
don't have a coach.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Uh, you got a great job. You know, there's two
you do too.

Speaker 10 (33:04):
I'm very fortunate.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
It's not like you go, man, I gotta drum up
a story here. It's like which which one do I
want to choose from? It's like top shelf liquor. Hmm,
what do I want? I mean you're not drinking, you know,
out of a keg.

Speaker 10 (33:18):
Well, I'll tell you this. Dan top top licker also
helps with this show, and also it has its advantage.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Thank you for getting up. Thank you, Dan, My pleasure.
That's Dan Waki. He covers the Lakers for the La Times.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
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Speaker 2 (33:42):
Take a break from the basketball talk, little football here.
You got more teams that were showing up with mandatory
mini camps. Mike Tomlin got a contract extension. We make
way for George Kittle, the Niners tight end Pro bowler
five times his eighth season with the forty nine ers,
and they're back again it's tight End University. The fourth year.

(34:03):
It's in Nashville. It's a three day event. So George
is there with Greg Olsen and Travis Kelcey. The tight
End community comes together to collaborate and learn from one another.
So we make way for George Kittle to join us
on the program. You know, when did your alma mater?
When did Iowa become tight End University?

Speaker 8 (34:26):
Dallas Clark? Okay, I was, you know when you know
I grew up.

Speaker 14 (34:31):
I got to go to everyson one of Dallas's games
and just see the way he played the game. I
thought that kind of just set the stage for Iowa
tight ends. I think guys saw him. It was like
he came in as a linebacker, you know, uh, not recruited, heavily,
had all no scholarship, earned a spot, became a great
tight end, gets strafted, and then it goes on to
do fantastic things in the NFL. And so I think

(34:52):
that was kind of the start of it. And then
I think you got all these no, not highly recruited
guys that are just getting pay I was going to
give me a shot to be a really good tight end.
And then I think the success just started coming back,
you know, after that, and then then you have a
nice little role there of myself, Hockinson, Noah Laporta, and
now we're just kind of the pipeline's rolling.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
How is the position evolving in the NFL? When you
guys get together to talk about this at tight End University,
how's it evolving?

Speaker 14 (35:21):
I think how it's evolving is that you have more
guys that can do everything.

Speaker 8 (35:26):
You don't.

Speaker 14 (35:26):
You know, you don't just have like a two and
seventy pound left tackle who's playing has a tight end number,
and you don't just have like a tour and thirty
five pound guy running choice routes. I think you're getting
guys to a tour and four and sixty pounds somewhere
in that gap.

Speaker 8 (35:39):
But they're running, uh, you know, they're running routes to
catching the ball.

Speaker 14 (35:42):
They're getting open, they're being more than serviceable in the
run game and pass protection game.

Speaker 8 (35:47):
And I think guys are just the whole.

Speaker 14 (35:49):
You know, you can look at their Madden stats, all
their attributes are just going up just a little bit
in all the categories, and like, that's what I would
like to do with you know, I don't like ten personnel, like,
you know, four wide receivers, one running back because you're
tight ends. Not a fan of that. I'm all for,
you know, multiple tight ends in there running back. You know,
maybe a fullback would rather have a tight end, unless
it's you know, juice maybe, but really it's just I

(36:10):
just want guys to, you know, have the opportunity to
you know, be in this position where they're comfortable enough
to be on the field for every situation and you know,
have the confidence go execute in every situation.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Did you guys Hayes brought party?

Speaker 8 (36:24):
I did on the first day.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, what'd you do?

Speaker 8 (36:27):
I put an eye ole football shirt in his locker.
It was his first day here.

Speaker 14 (36:33):
He pulled it out, he turned around, looked right at me,
and he goes, what's this turn on my locker?

Speaker 8 (36:38):
I have no idea. Man, The eq guys here crazy.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
So the equipment guys, you blame them, huh.

Speaker 14 (36:45):
Uh, Well, only for stuff like that. But that was
a pretty obvious one on me.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Okay, but at what point do you say, I don't know,
is hazing still go on to the degree it used
to back in the sixties or seventies.

Speaker 8 (36:59):
I mean, I was therefore and I've heard some stories,
but no, absolutely not.

Speaker 14 (37:02):
The mostly you know I like to do is I
just like to have a conversation with guy just to
see what you know, kind of like a little little shot,
if I can say that. But it's just like, how
are you gonna respond to me? And like are you
gonna be like nervous?

Speaker 8 (37:16):
And am I? Is that? How like our relationship is
gonna go?

Speaker 14 (37:18):
Or are you gonna be able to just throw me
some singers right back at me? And I've enjoyed that
And that's one of the reason I like Brock so much
because he was just throwing zingers right back at me.

Speaker 8 (37:26):
I was like, we're gonna be great friends.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
McCaffrey gets his contract extended. When you guys get you know,
your contracts upgraded or extended? Is there you take people
out to dinner? Like how how does it McCaffrey do
anything for you guys? Uh?

Speaker 14 (37:42):
Well, he did get us see at the entire offense
p XG golf clubs for Christmas, So I think he's
he's doing all right in that regard.

Speaker 8 (37:50):
They're great clubs.

Speaker 14 (37:51):
Besides that, No, but he'll take care of me by
probably having another two thousand yards.

Speaker 8 (37:57):
And twenty touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Are you in the wedding.

Speaker 14 (38:02):
I'm not in the wedding, but I'm going to the wedding,
So I'm excited about that up in Rhode Island.

Speaker 8 (38:06):
Should be a good time. Got a good group of
guys going up there.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Okay, have you had the bachelor party yet?

Speaker 14 (38:13):
You know, I don't know if he's actually really doing
a bachelor party. He's a busy dude that's kind of
all over the place. You know, he's got like his
routine down and the things that he wants to do.
It's more just like an extended weekend where you know
you'd hang out at Assaus.

Speaker 8 (38:27):
Of the Dolfin.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
That's not That's not what are we doing here? That's soft?

Speaker 14 (38:32):
You know what, Dan Christians, he is an elite human
being who actually thinks his way, and I'm not going
to argue with him. I know he's going to have
a good time, and you know we'll celebrate something on
them maybe after a Thursday night.

Speaker 8 (38:44):
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
He's the Niners tight end. Five time pro bowler George
Kittle joining us on the program. When you see Travis Kelcey,
does he rub it in? Does he mention anything? Does
he say something about the Super Bowl.

Speaker 14 (39:01):
No shout outs to your good friends. I had never
gotten any type of animosity from Travis. There's been nothing
but a great friend, of great sportsmanship.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
He didn't give you no wow.

Speaker 8 (39:15):
Oh what a nice guy? Right crazy?

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Okay, if it was reversed and you had won the
Super Bowl and you saw Kelsey.

Speaker 14 (39:25):
No, I'd be probably the exact same. I'm not much
of a soccer damn. Well, you know I'm all for
good vibes and just positive vibes out there.

Speaker 8 (39:32):
Fight ends. Man, We're just nice people.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
You look like you belong in southern California.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Oh.

Speaker 15 (39:40):
I know.

Speaker 8 (39:41):
The long hair is not much. It doesn't like make
sense for my iowaer, it's doesn't.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Well, you could have been in the movie Point Break.

Speaker 8 (39:47):
Oh, I was more of a fast time that ridge
my eye.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Well, you could be a Spiccoli. I could see.

Speaker 8 (39:55):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
All right, I'll give you a mulligan. What kind of
strategy would you change in the Super Bowl?

Speaker 8 (40:03):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (40:03):
What kind of strategy? That's a good question. I haven't
been asked. I need a mulligan for my golf game
right now. But besides that, Umm, mulligan, mm hmm.

Speaker 8 (40:23):
I mean turnovers, we have just one.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, I think I.

Speaker 8 (40:26):
Think, I think we could pull off that turnover.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I think that's a different But what you look back
on that turnover, it's right in front of you, behind me,
but yes behind okay near you, but yeah.

Speaker 14 (40:38):
It was yeah, I mean ball bounce on the ground,
something behind me.

Speaker 8 (40:44):
I can't see. Super unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, but you weren't targeted that much, Like can you
go into the huddle and say, hey, what about me?

Speaker 14 (40:54):
To an extent, you know, it's uh, if you'd like
watch every single game this entire year, Like there's games
where I had fifteen targets and there's game I had
one target, and it's just like that's just kind of
where our offense goes. And you know why I would
for like fully love you know, five to eight targets
a game. You know, there's just games that's not gonna happen,
and so I just try to contribute in other ways,
Like you don't have my entire career, so uh, yes,

(41:16):
there's times that you know you're sitting there like all right,
come on, now it's time throwing the ball a little bit.
But I think overall, you no, we won a lot
of games away that you know our offense is going
to be going and so I'm not going to be
playing too much.

Speaker 8 (41:30):
But it is a hey I run arounds pretty well
too sometimes.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
So do you know what's going on with your teammates
with Ayuk with his situation?

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Like how much do you stay in touch or follow
this in all?

Speaker 14 (41:42):
Honestly, this is how I have treated all my teammates
that go through contract negotiations, is h I shoot them
a text. I'm the hey man. If there's anythinge to
talk about, anything that I can help you with, please
hit me up. If not, you know, I'll see you
when I see you, which you know we're going to
figure it out at some point.

Speaker 8 (41:57):
I just I had the less I know the better.
I don't like it when people ask me, hey, have
you talked?

Speaker 16 (42:01):
You?

Speaker 8 (42:02):
Have you talked?

Speaker 14 (42:02):
You come like he's doing us saying he's going to
be just fine and you know, whatever happens there, I'm
happy for him.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Give me your plug for a tight End you how
many years now?

Speaker 10 (42:13):
We're going on a year?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Four?

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Dam that's nice.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
That's not bad, right, But there's no tailgating at tight
End University, is there?

Speaker 8 (42:21):
That's a great idea that'll be year five.

Speaker 13 (42:24):
We'll do that.

Speaker 8 (42:25):
We'll do that at year five, we'll have the Dan
Patrick tailgategers.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yes, I love it. Yeah, I loved shot. Yeah, jell
O shots.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
I love it.

Speaker 14 (42:34):
Oh, it would be a good time, man. As you
can see, you know, I'm sitting here in my tight
End new class. We're really excited about it. We've got
all of our main sponsors back, Bridgestone, Gatorade, Levi's and
always you know Sharman. You know it's cool too because
you know Sharmon's out here now. They've got their smooth
tar product and they like to be smooth because tight

(42:56):
ends are smooth and Sharman loves tight ends, which I
still can't get over this. This might be the best
partnership in sports. I think it's pretty incredible. But you know,
we have a lot of good stuff going on. Bridgetown
is doing a cool thing. We're bringing a girls flag
football team. We're gonna be playing flag football with them
on one of the days. I think that's gonna be
really fun to see.

Speaker 8 (43:15):
Huh. Some of the guys just get completely shook by
some of these girls. You know.

Speaker 14 (43:20):
Gatorade's still doing Gatorade stuff, and Levi's is gonna meet,
you know, maybe get some Canadian tuxedos.

Speaker 8 (43:25):
Out there down in Nashville. So we're pretty excited about
it though.

Speaker 14 (43:28):
But it's a like I said, year four, we're gonna
have somewhere between like sixty and eighty guys show up
and have a lot of fun, learn some stuff.

Speaker 8 (43:36):
You know.

Speaker 14 (43:36):
Greg Olsen will talk about some of his routes and
stuff like that. Kelsey's gonna probably talk some coverages this year.
I'm gonna focus I'm gonna focus on some pass protection,
which I'm pretty excited about. You know, it's because I
hear all the defensive benz always talk about how you
should always win and match up versus a tight end
in the pass rush, and you know, I'm here to
get rid of that stipulation.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, you know, you're you're somebody who singled out because
you do block. But then that's part of your job,
isn't it.

Speaker 8 (44:03):
That's the thing about being a tight end.

Speaker 14 (44:04):
You have the opportunity to run routes, catch the ball,
run block pass bro Trey Burton threw a touchdown in
the Super Bowl, So I mean, like, technically you can
do about everything. You know, I've had a couple of
rushes in my career, so it's like, we have the
opportunity to do everything, so you know, why not try
to be great at everything and be the most well
rounded group in football.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Ever apologized for pancaking anybody on the field.

Speaker 8 (44:28):
That's actually funny. I have before.

Speaker 14 (44:29):
Yeah, I was like sorry about that, Come on my bad. Okay,
all right, that's up with a couple.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Give me the dates though, for tight End University. When
this is all happening next.

Speaker 14 (44:42):
Monday, June seventeenth, eighteenth and nineteenth. It's going to be
a fantastic time. Actually cool too. We have a cool
spin this year where you rent it out. It's called
the Brooklyn Bowl downtown Nashville. It's like a big concert
hall and we're gonna have like live country music, have
a full country concert.

Speaker 10 (44:58):
There.

Speaker 14 (44:58):
Got some special guests. I'm supposed to release him, but
I know I got I got a couple. You want
to hear any of them?

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yep?

Speaker 8 (45:05):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (45:05):
We got John Party coming in, we got Chase Rice
coming in, and we.

Speaker 8 (45:09):
Got jelly roll coming in. Whoa should be a good one.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Jelly Roll.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I think Jelly Rolls collabor collaborating with M and M
on something, or they're doing a song together and I
saw that.

Speaker 14 (45:20):
Yeah, they performed together. He's incredible. Uh, what an absolute
fantastic human being.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
You could put him at left tackle.

Speaker 8 (45:28):
I think he's more of a guard.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Oh okay, I think.

Speaker 8 (45:31):
He's more of a guard. Maybe maybe No.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I don't know if he's a polling guard. I mean
he may be a stationary guard.

Speaker 14 (45:38):
It depends what offense like. Maybe like old school Raiders
and that's what I'm thinking. Just just big meaty guys.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Uh, you're a good sport. Good to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
I hope the off season is good and uh, good
luck at tight end University.

Speaker 13 (45:50):
George, thanks so much, man, He's.

Speaker 8 (45:52):
A pleasure to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
George Kittle, Niners tight end and Pro bowler five times
in his eight seasons with the forty nine Ers. Yeah,
you still have some questions there, Brandon Ayuk with his contract.
I think they flirted with trading Deebo Samuel in the
off season, but they still have Christian McCaffrey there. They
still have a good offensive line, good defensive line as well,

(46:16):
and of course an offensive minded head coach.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
It brought pretty he talked.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
About how close they got to the Super Bowl or
winning the Super Bowl recently.

Speaker 16 (46:28):
Got all the way to the end. We're right there
and we weren't able to finish it. So for me,
like I had that taste my mouth, and you know,
get back into the gym, start slowly working into it.
And then here no Ota is getting Kyle and going
over all the games, all the games that we played
in every play and going over situational football and stuff
and taking that and actually going out in the field
and running things and repping things and throwing the receivers.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
So last year I didn't have that.

Speaker 16 (46:51):
So now that I'm able to attack those kinds of things,
I feel like I've gotten better.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
There was another quarterback, former quarterback, sort of former back
in the news, Christian Hackenberg. He was drafted by the Jets,
I think second round pick, came out of Penn State. Oh,
he had all the fanfare after his freshman year. He
would be the number one pick in the draft. There's
always the quarterback who's not in the current draft that
were salivating over. Oh my god, if this guy could

(47:18):
come out now, he'd be the number one pick. Well,
Christian Hackenberg when he did come out was a second
round pick. He was on the Ross Tucker podcast and
he talked about the problem with the fit of the
New York Jets.

Speaker 17 (47:31):
New York was probably the last place I should have
gone in terms of the market, the expectations, the way
it was, and you know, my rookie year, we ended
up keeping four quarterbacks. So there was just not a
lot of opportunity for me to develop and grow, no plan,
kind of a up and down organization, and it was
just one of those things where I think just the

(47:53):
timing and where it ended up just wasn't in the
cards for me at that position. And then you know,
when I look at an introspect, I was young. I
needed a lot of help, and I needed a lot
of direction and guidance, and I I never sought that out.
So that's where my shortcoming was is I didn't do
all those things until it was ultimately too late.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, and I know that he's taken ownership of this,
and it's easy to blame the Jets, but Christian Hackenberg
wasn't an NFL quarterback because if you were, after you
get kicked to the curb by the Jets, you would
have been picked up by somebody other than somebody in
the arena league. He couldn't play in the NFL, plain
and simple. I think this is where you have non

(48:35):
trained eyes looking at somebody and good boy, if he
could come out now, and then all of a sudden
you get the trained eye the scouts, and all of
a sudden they're going, no, this guy is not an
NFL quarterback, and he goes into second round.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Yes, you do go to the Jets.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I get all of that, but Christian Hackenberg, if he
could have played, another team would have saw that and
they would have given them the opportunity. Also, we know
what happened with the Patriots, their mess, certainly at the
quarterbacking position.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Mac Jones. Mac Jones was a Pro Bowl quarterback.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
They were a good team his rookie year, but that's
when he had Josh McDaniels as his offensive coordinator. Then
after that he had Matt Patricia. He also had Joe Judge,
a special teams guy.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Matt Patricia a defensive coordinator and as an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
And then Bill Belichick's son, I believe, was an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 7 (49:26):
I feel like they kind of threw everybody out there
at some point.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Well, you've got to have consistency with your offensive coordinator,
so you're running the same system and you're listening to
the same voice in your head. Damian Harris, former running
back with the Patriots, had this to say on the
Athletic Football Podcast.

Speaker 10 (49:44):
What happened to.

Speaker 15 (49:45):
Mac Jones in New England was not because of Mac Jones.

Speaker 13 (49:49):
What happened in New England to Mac.

Speaker 15 (49:50):
Jones was because of the fact you took away an
offensive coordinator who coached him to be a Pro bowler
and almost coached us to winning our division with a
rookie quarterback in his first year.

Speaker 13 (50:02):
And then you take whenever Josh.

Speaker 15 (50:03):
McDaniels left, Then you take Matt Patricia, who's coach defense
his entire life, Joe Judge, who has been a special
teams coach, and then you just throw him in there
and be like.

Speaker 13 (50:11):
Hey, coach this kid up.

Speaker 15 (50:12):
He's a first round pick, you know, But as long
as you teach him what I say, everything's gonna be fine.

Speaker 13 (50:17):
And one fine.

Speaker 15 (50:19):
Bill Belichick being stuck in his ways was very much
so like, as long as I am here, as long
as I am the top dog at this organization, no
matter who, no matter where, what position, where they coach whatever,
we will have success.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Well we know how that turned down. Is Mac Jones
is starting quarterback in the NFL. I'd say a borderline
starting quarterback. I know he was in New England and
maybe if you coach him up. You know, if I
if I put him in San Francisco and Brock Purtty
in New England, is Rock Purty going to have a
similar fate. Probably so. But you know this is where

(50:58):
it's the luck of the draft. Where you go, who
takes you, what's their infrastructure, what kind of consistency do
you have weapons? Do I go later in the first
round or the second round and I'm going to a
better team.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
That's what happens sometimes.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
That is the biggest factor in success and failure in
the NFL at that position, because there have been a
lot of talented quarterbacks who go to bad teams, get
bad habits, and then all of a sudden they get
kicked to the curve. They lost their confidence. Meanwhile, you
get some rock Perty mister Irrelevant, going to a Niner
team that has as many weapons, if not more so,
than anybody else in football. Okay, you got a really

(51:35):
good head start and you have an offensive minded head coach.
So you got a chance here, and he has proven
that he is a good quarterback. Good quarterback, but also
that comes into you got to take advantage of the
weapons you have. Just like Jalen Hurts. I don't know
if he's a great quarterback, but I think he got
a real head start going second round to the Eagles,

(51:57):
who have a great offensive line. They got as many
weapons as anybody in the NFC. Now you add Saquon Barkley.
I don't know if he's a standalone great quarterback. There
aren't many great standalone like I can do this. You know,
Brady did this for the most part in his career.
Brady did this. It was all interchangeable parts there. Now,

(52:20):
they did have Gronk, they had Hernandez for a while,
they had Randy Moss for a while. But he was
making Dion Branch into a Super Bowl MVP. You know,
he had that ability to make Julian Edelman better than
what he was, Wes Welker better than what he was now.
It's rare when you get a standalone talent like that
who's able every year.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
You know they're they're.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
They're changing, they're changing you know Aaron Rodgers did that
in Green Bay. It was a roster that he didn't
get first round wide receivers. They did have a good
running game, good offensive line, but that ability to be
able to I can, I can make somebody better, and
that's hard to do. But Mac Jones wasn't able to
do that in New England. Yes, Marv does.

Speaker 9 (53:04):
Mahomes have that combination of great athletic skill as a
quarterback and also mix that with a consistent franchise, so
he's got the best of both worlds.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Well, he fell into a great situation there. I mean,
they had Tyreek Hill, they had Travis Kelcey, they had
Andy Reid. Right there. You got a good head start
and he didn't need to start his first year. It
was ideal for Patrick Mahomes. And I've said this before
and people always get bent out of shape if I
put Patrick Mahomes on Carolina. He's a curiosity. He's not

(53:35):
a Hall of Fame quarterback, but when he's in the
situation to deliver, when you need to deliver with the
weapons and play big and big games, that's why he's
a Hall of Fame quarterback. It's the luck of the draw,
the luck of the draft. I think Justin Fields can
still be a starter in the NFL. He just wasn't
you know. He couldn't be everything the Bears needed him.

(53:56):
I don't know if Bryce Young can play, and we
might not find out until he goes to his second team.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
He's a big time Hollywood star. He's Laurence Fishburn. He
plays the former Clippers head coach Doc Rivers in FX
is Clipped. The next episodes are available today exclusively on Hulu.
As we welcome in, Laurence Fishburn. How much of a
basketball fan are you?

Speaker 18 (54:29):
Not?

Speaker 13 (54:29):
At all? Not since the nineteen sixty nine Knickerbockers.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Man, Wait, that's when you're fandom peaked.

Speaker 10 (54:39):
That was it.

Speaker 19 (54:40):
That was the only time I wanted to Clyde Fraser
when I grew up.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
What kind of game do you have?

Speaker 13 (54:52):
I have no game at all.

Speaker 19 (54:54):
I'm a left handed person, so whenever I got involved
in sports, but he was always looking at me like,
oh here he comes again with that.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
You mean you might have been like Dick Barnett, maybe
left hand or for your for your nixt. Yeah, when
you get this offer to play Doc Rivers, what's worked?

Speaker 3 (55:15):
What do you think of right away?

Speaker 13 (55:17):
Who's Doc Rivers?

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Wait? You didn't know who Doc Rivers was?

Speaker 16 (55:23):
Like?

Speaker 13 (55:24):
Who Doc Rivers was? I told you I'm not a
sports fan.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yeah, it's it's kind of Is it easier when you
don't know who you're playing or hard?

Speaker 13 (55:35):
Of course it is. It's totally easier. Yeah. I have
no preconceived notion.

Speaker 19 (55:40):
I brought no preconceived idea about who the man was
to it. I had no opinion about anything because I
didn't know about his history.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
And then how do you start studying?

Speaker 19 (55:52):
Well, luckily, he's still alive with us. He's alive and well,
and we have mutual friends. So I was able to
get his number and call him and talk to him briefly,
and I invited him into a Labor Day party in
my house, and he and my friend Martin Marsalis were

(56:13):
there together, and they immediately got into a debate about
the late Bill Russell, who had just passed away, about
whether or not he was the greatest who played the game,
et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 13 (56:24):
So I got to watch these two debate for two
hours about you know, the great Bill Russell.

Speaker 19 (56:32):
So you can imagine it was very passionate, and it
was very intelligent, and it was very you know, in
death because they were you know, I mean, they were
talking about specific games and moments in games, et cetera. Right, So,
through that experience, I was able to really observe Doc
being his very, very natural self without any of the

(56:54):
constraints of his position as a coach during this whole
thing that happened with the Clippers.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
At any point, do you want to try to mimic
Doc's voice, Well, it.

Speaker 19 (57:05):
Was very clear that he had a raspy voice, and
it was very clear why he had a raspy voice
to me, So I made the effort to sort of
replicate that in my performance.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
How difficult was that?

Speaker 10 (57:19):
Not at all?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Not hard, because I have somebody here who works with me. Now, yes,
I want you to judge Fritzy's Doc Rivers impersonation for it.

Speaker 8 (57:30):
Hey, Lawrence, you got to give me forty eight minutes
out there.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
You got to give me forty eight I can't. How
do you just sit there on.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
The sideline be engaged, work with me a little bit,
and I can get you where you want today.

Speaker 13 (57:39):
Listen, that's not bad.

Speaker 19 (57:41):
That's not that's not bad, not mine, It's all right.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
What's what's the one thing you get when you're on
the street, Guaranteed somebody's gonna say what to you?

Speaker 13 (57:59):
Morphia?

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Oh yeah, and you're receiving red Bill Blue Bilt. When
you read the script from Matrix, do you understand like
what can possibly be?

Speaker 10 (58:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (58:15):
I understood it, yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
But the magnitude of what it would be.

Speaker 13 (58:20):
No, No, nobody understood that.

Speaker 19 (58:21):
I don't think anybody really absolutely knew what it was
going to do, that was going to be the pop
culture phenomenon worldwide that it became.

Speaker 13 (58:30):
I don't think anybody knew that.

Speaker 19 (58:32):
And I think anybody that says they knew that is
probably full of But.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
You know, yeah, but how many times have you read
something you go that's going to be a hit.

Speaker 19 (58:41):
I've never read anything and said that's going to be
a hit. I've always read something and gone, whether I
like it, it's beast to me or not.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
What spoke to you about this series? Though clipped?

Speaker 19 (58:52):
This series was the great confluence of sexism, racism, white privilege,
the the social media and the impact of social media, sports, business, entertainment,
our whole sort of uh culture of celebrity, et cetera.

(59:17):
There was this beautiful confluence of all those things. And
Gena Welsh wrote it so brilliantly, with so much nuance
and sensitivity and and uh and humanity that I just thought, oh,
this is great. It wasn't about it's not about just basketball,
it's about our humanity collectively.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
And we talked to Ed O'Neil last week and he
said it was great to play in a non comedy
role like that, you know, because he's been in that role.
But you've been in serious roles. So is it any
more of a challenge or less of a challenge?

Speaker 10 (59:56):
You know, to be.

Speaker 13 (59:59):
In an ensemble with somebody like Ed O'Neil.

Speaker 19 (01:00:03):
And Cleo Patrick Coleman's priceless, you know, to be working
with LeVar Burton, you know, who's been a dear friend
of mine for forty years.

Speaker 13 (01:00:15):
Mean, these are the people of serious wait and talent.

Speaker 19 (01:00:21):
And we had the support of this incredible material, this
really really interesting, nuanced, timely story.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
So talking to Laurence Fishberne, he plays the Clippers head
Coach doc Rivers FX is clipped latest episodes available today
exclusively on Hulu. I had one encounter with Keanu Reeves.
He came in studio years ago.

Speaker 13 (01:00:45):
Oh wow, cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
No, he had no entourage, He took the subway. He
walks in, has a suit on. I think he was
fifty at the time. He looked thirty five. Could not
have been a nicer person. And so, you know, now
when I see him in john Wick, like just the
action part, like it's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
You know, you have that kind of juxtaposition of this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Guy is peaceful, he's nice, he's pleasant, and then all
of a sudden he goes into john Wick mode and
look out, everybody dies hurt.

Speaker 10 (01:01:17):
Sure, yeah, what.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Was it like when you first met him?

Speaker 19 (01:01:21):
You know, it was a beautiful cat man. He's unlike
anybody I've ever met or ever will meet. He's a
singular individual. He's a deeply soulful and highly intelligent man.

Speaker 13 (01:01:36):
And we're for others.

Speaker 19 (01:01:36):
And I love him, and we were fortunate enough to be,
you know, cast together in this this you know, this film,
the Matrix that became, you know, a pop culture phenomenon,
and it has obviously changed our lives and connected us
in a way, which is nice. And then we were
fortunate enough to kind of revisit each other as actors

(01:02:00):
with the John Wick Shows. So yeah, I'm I'm just
grateful that he's in my life and that we've maintained
our friendship over these years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Is there a role of him, a role historical figure
you'd like to play?

Speaker 13 (01:02:16):
Well, I've played a bunch of him, now, you know.

Speaker 19 (01:02:18):
I did Nelson Mandela and the Lake, Thurgan Marshall and
Bumpy Johnson and Ike Turner and.

Speaker 13 (01:02:29):
Now Doc Rivers. The one I would have liked to
have done.

Speaker 19 (01:02:33):
I would have loved to have had the opportunity to
play Muhammad Ali, but you know, Will Smith did it
and did it brilliantly. I would have loved to have
been able to play Jimi Hendrix, for example, but I've
aged out from that one. So you know, listen, something old,
something'll turn up. We'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Did you meet Ali?

Speaker 19 (01:02:53):
I did meet Ali briefly back in nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 13 (01:02:56):
I had very interesting encounter with Ali.

Speaker 19 (01:03:00):
Never spoke a word to him, but we acknowledged each
other in a way that will always stay with me
for the rest of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yeah, I was there when he got checked in in
New York for Parkinson and I had had I had
been around him a couple of times when he was
able to speak, and then all of a sudden, you know,
the person who couldn't stop talking had to stop talking.
And but he there was a communication level that you're

(01:03:32):
talking about where it's unspoken, but there was something I
don't know what it was, but it was still it's soul.

Speaker 19 (01:03:40):
He spoke to the world that he communicated spiritually to
most of the world. If you're in tune to that,
you know, Muhammad Ali was a very spiritual man. He
was a spiritual warrior.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
In fact, when's the last time you flip through the
channels and you go, all right, I'm gonna watch me.

Speaker 13 (01:04:00):
I'm gonna watch me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:04:02):
Oh. About a month and a half ago.

Speaker 19 (01:04:06):
I'm in England now doing a television series for Netflix.

Speaker 13 (01:04:10):
And just before I left New York a.

Speaker 19 (01:04:13):
Movie that I did back in twenty I want to
say twenty thirteen twenty fourteen with Thomas Jane came on
this thing called Standoff, which is a funny little two
hand or that we did, and I got to watch
that because the writing in that is really amazing. I
get to spout off some really cool things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
But to grade yourself or you do you see something
when you watch that maybe you didn't see.

Speaker 19 (01:04:41):
Once I've done it. Takes me about five years to
watch something after I've done it. Wow, So like really,
it takes about five years for me to have the
distance on it where I can sit and watch it
enjoy it without being judgmental and without you know, ripping
myself to shreds and being super critical. So again, this
movie I made maybe ten years ago and it came
on and I was like, oh, let me check this out,

(01:05:02):
and it was I actually enjoyed watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Well, I have fun over there in England. And good
luck with Clipped and thanks for joining us. We appreciate it.

Speaker 13 (01:05:11):
So nice to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Thank you, Lauren.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Laurence Fishburne playing the former Clippers head coach Doc Rivers
in FX is Clipped next episodes available today exclusively on Hulu.
A chill guy having a snack while I'm interviewable. Yes,
he's having a snack. I don't know what he was
snacking on. I'm like, got some grapes there, carrots, whatever

(01:05:35):
it is. He's been in some big time stuff though
I had heard back in of I think it's matrix
that he got paid a certain amount of money and
then got like three point four percent backhand of matrix.
That's a sizable chunk of change there for him. But

(01:05:59):
that's pretty cool. And then we got ice Cube tomorrow.
They were in Boys in the Hood, So I'm gonna
bring that up to Cube that we had Lawrence on today.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
All right, to update the poll results.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
If you can see, no Connor, by the way, Aaron Rodgers,
he is not a training camp. Is this an unexcused
absence for Aaron Rodgers at mandatory mini camp? It looks
like that. Robert Sala says, this is an unexcused absence.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Oh no, yeah, see.

Speaker 7 (01:06:32):
Robert Sala also says this is very much not a
big deal.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Okay, not a big deal at all.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Okay, Aaron is that something that's very important to him?
And if this is important to Aaron, it's important to us.
And what is Aaron Rodgers doing? Well, that's anybody's guess.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Yes, Marvin, are we playing guest that unexcused absence?

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I don't, I get I don't, but I don't know
what the unexcused absence is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Yes, Todd.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
I think the Ayahuasca festivals in town where they got
rides and cotton.

Speaker 8 (01:07:05):
Can you say, want you to check.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
It out like a carnival?

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Thank you? Do we know?

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Does anybody have any idea what the unexcused absence is?
See and you sent me a picture here that's not it.
That's not it. Okay, alrighty, then.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
That's essentially a picture or a video of a man.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
Lighting his genitals on fire.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
So that's not what Aaron Rodgers is doing. We don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:07:38):
We don't know that for sure. I don't know that
it's possible.

Speaker 10 (01:07:45):
I'm gonna rule that out.

Speaker 8 (01:07:45):
He's already had some other injuries.

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
That's the one to add to it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Yeah, that's funny. That is funny.

Speaker 7 (01:07:55):
Off air.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Yeah, you should have. You should have come to me, Hey,
this isn't real, just letting you know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Oh oh, it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
It'd be tough to be ready for week one if
you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Something that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Kyle in Ohio, Hi, Kyle, what's on your mind today?

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Hello? Hey Kyle turn.

Speaker 18 (01:08:17):
Sorry Wow, Yeah, I'm actually simultaneously working at the same time. Okay, anyway,
real quick, I just wanted to kind of have a
director rebuttal to a previous caller who brings up to
Michael Jordan getting cut in high school reference and the
difference is that you know, at that point in time
he wasn't good, but Caitlin Clark is literally good right now.

Speaker 10 (01:08:39):
So it just doesn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
And that's why I pointed out nobody knew Michael Jordan
when he had, you know, he did the shame of
getting cut from his high school team. Everybody is watching
Caitlin Clark. Everybody, and everybody has an opinion. Todd in Ohio, Hi, Todd,
what's on your mind?

Speaker 10 (01:08:55):
Good morning? Dan got an opinion too about Caitlyn Clark,
and that is, like Dan Patrick, her constinants are tough
and me, Caitlyn Clark.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
You see what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Thank you, Todd, Caitlyn Clark. I don't know if they
have alternates for the US women's Olympic basketball team. There's
people who are like suggesting that there is a list.
To my knowledge, I don't think there's an actual list, Like, hey,
if this person doesn't, then this person goes on the roster.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
I don't know. You know, when you fly stand by and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
You're waiting for your name up there, and you're like, uh,
Jimmy Lipper, Oh yeah, I'm on the flight. I don't
think there's that that this person is not going to play.
Then there's the next person up. But there we've been
led to believe that that is the case. I have
not heard that there is an official list, an alternative list.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
Yes, toda, I would be entertaining if they did it
that way. Well, they often get together at an airport gate
getting ready for Paris, and the ones that just didn't
make the list of sitting around the gate waiting to
see if their name pops up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Thank you very good, Thank you time