June 28, 2024 • 53 mins
Doug Gottlieb and Dan Beyer are in for Dan as they discuss the Lakers drafting Bronny James on the second day of the NBA Draft.
Doug and Dan share their thoughts on the NFL losing their Sunday Ticket anti-trust lawsuit.
Dan and Doug welcome longtime college hoops analyst and NBA Draft analyst Fran Frascilla onto the show to get his thoughts on the NBA Draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
What Up? Good Morning, Tia Stan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio.
I'm Doug Gottlieb, my guy Dan Byer alongside, so too
is Jason Stewart. Good Morning, Doug Morning. It's this is weird.
You're where I grew up, I'm where you grew up.
(00:25):
That's that's what's happened with our lives, right, I not
not exactly where you grew up, but in the the
state of of where you matriculated through school. And I'm
actually in the state where I was born, but not
where I'm matriculated through high school, middle school, whatever. So
it's it's a it's a weird, weird switch being in Wisconsin,
you being in California. But still nonetheless, uh, here we
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are and we're I don't know, we've There's a lot
of conclusions you can make about the NBA draft. I
think the two day draft. Uh, it's pretty obvious that
somebody is like, hey, what if we did a two
day draft and a bunch of people said can we
make more money? And they're like, yes we can, will
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it be good? I don't know if anybody actually flushed
that part out right, Like, that's how that's how brainstorming works,
sort of deal. You throw things up on the board,
you discuss it. You have to be willing to be
told that your idea, while productive, isn't going to be implemented.
I just there was that was not great.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
No, And let's and let's be honest too, Doug. They
were given a gift with Brownie James. Yes, that's an
absolute gift to have other.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Otherwise otherwise And look, you and I are hoopheads, right
Like you love golf, don't get me wrong, and of
course you have your Sunday show and your fantasy football
podcast whatever, but you let you love college hoop as
I obviously do. Now I'm a college head coach, right,
But I mean that was with if you take Ronnie
(02:00):
James out of the second round, it becomes solely for
those of us who are absolute diehards, and we wonder, right,
I mean, given an absolute gift and even with that,
that was a tough watch.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, especially too because Philipowski and Kolik ended up going
in the first two of the first three picks of
the second round, so of names that we would be
familiar with with college basketball, not that there weren't other
college players, but those were the two biggest names that
I felt were still available at that point. They were
off the board within three picks of the second round, starting,
by the way, for those of us on the West coast,
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one o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Again, like, what part of this was well planned? I
just again, I understand. I deal with people all the
time who have asked us in the TV and radio
industry like why do games start so late? And generally
my argument is always, look, you may say your kid
can't stay up late and watch, but there are programming
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people that they spend their entire professional lives figuring out
the math equation too. What is the appropriate tip time
so that when the game concludes, because that's when you
have peak viewing audience, you have the most eyes from
around the country watching this one. I got to know
the math on. I don't really understand what are you
trying to get us to not watch? I understand that
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it's the first time you've done it, but who in
their right mind thought that was a good idea? I can't.
I can't imagine a lot of people in the West coast,
where on the West Coast, where there's not a lot
of buzz about college hoops, and the only buzz was
about Bronnie James, who did grow up, did play college
basketball and now is a product of the member of
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the Los Angeles Lakers. That's the only guy. And it
happened at what three in the afternoon. I just that
one's a tough one for me. Doesn't add up a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And there was zero buzz because everything was also moved
to the studio, so it was very they weren't at
the Barclay Center like they were the n IP four. Yeah,
it was just odd and I just don't know how
you can continue that momentum, at least in the NFL.
People are hanging out around Detroit, you know, on the
Friday and Saturday and doing NFL sort of things and
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wearing their team gear. But this was just, yeah, this
was just odd.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, I mean, look, I am in green Bay, Wisconsin.
Doug Gottlieb Dan Bayer in for Dan and Danetts here
on Dan Patrick cho Fox Sports Radio and for people
who don't know, the NFL Draft next year comes to
Green Bay, and you know the planning in the city.
The plan is there'll be two hundred and fifty thousand
people come into the city and it's a show. There's
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concerts planned, there's already a lot of venues down in
Title Town, you know, obviously right there next to lambeau
and I can't imagine the buzz that there's gonna have.
Obviously there'll be the potential there in the spring for weather,
but there's the at Room, which I just got a
chance to see two nights ago, inside of lambeau Field,
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where you're already covered. I'm sure they're making all kinds
of contingency plans, but trying to mimic the NFL is
such a mistake. You're just not the NFL. And I
feel like that's what the NBA did where, you know,
so many times the WNBA has been rightfully accused of
why are you trying to compete or compare yourself to
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the NBA. You're it's a completely different calculation. The same
would be true for the NBA last night. I think
it's a pretty completely different calculation. But let's get to
the topic to Jore, which just so happens to be
the topic of the day. Bronnie James was drafted by
the Lakers, and I thought, and look, I am not
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generally critical of other broadcasters. Having been a broadcaster, I
can tell you that there's a lot of things that
go on that you may not and we can let
you kind of inside the beltway, especially now crossing over
into coaching, I can I can not selling out any friends,
but I can tell you the reality of how things
go and why they go. And Dan, as you and
I have talked about before, you know, a lot of
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people are critical, for example of ESPN ABC's halftime show
during the during the NBA Finals, like, well, you just
have some one minute thing like that's because those segments
are sold like they network breaks are different. You don't
have the benefit of cable where Barkley and the inside
of the NBA crew can can vamp for you know,
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ten minutes uninterrupted. You don't have that. So there are
some things business wise that people just don't understand. We
can get to the the the idea of nepotism, we
get to all tho stuff. I thought of ESPN was
embarrassing with the defending the pick. I've never heard anything
like this. The whole thing is a complete debacle. And
(06:47):
Bob Myers, who I like, like, dude, you're sitting there
acting like you're breaking news saying a Rich Paul is
calling other teams telling him, not telling him not to
draft Brownie. If they do, he's going to Australia. Like like,
you have to be able to process that people are
telling you things that aren't accurate, right, you can't you
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have to process that. It was the whole Rich Paul
thing was such a clown show. And we'll get to
whether or not you can he why he would say,
we're not doing a two way, but the multiple teams interested,
they weren't. You worked out for two teams. It was
some sort of leverage play to get the Lakers to
make sure they hired JJ Reddick and they drafted Ronnie James.
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And look, you're allowed to draft Ronnie James. You're allowed
to have nepotism. Like again, like we can talk about it,
but just carrying on a charade like he was gonna
go to Australia or somebody else was interested. When the
whole thing, the the part that I would say is
embarrassing for the Lakers is why'd you have to draft him?
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No one was gonna draft Ronnie James. Everybody knew who's
going to LA. You can still sign him as an
undrafted free agent. And if the idea is, hey, we
don't want to embarrassing, I'm like, look, the market has spoken.
If you thought the next couple teams was five more picks,
you thought in the next five picks he was going
to get selected, Like, that's fine, but they weren't going
to take him. Everyone knows no one was going to
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take him. And yet you do that, you carry on
a charade, and then Adrian Wardenowski woes again, somebody I
have a tremendous amount of respect for. But the defending saying, hey,
nepotism occurs throughout the NBA. True, And we can get
into whether or not there is there's a part of
nepotism that people don't talk about, which is actually a
really good thing. I'll get to that in a moment.
(08:37):
But acting like, well, if nepotism occurs elsewhere, the nepotism
here is fine, Like no, that's not like two wrongs
don't actually make it right.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
You know, it's funny, Doug. In terms of the threat
that Rich Paul made, the it wasn't even a threat.
If you were to look back at the other years
of the NBA, there are a lot of teams that
would draft someone stash them because the player wouldn't come
over from Europe and then be available in the next
two or three years. That actually may be a better
plan for Brownie James's actual pro prospects than to be
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an actual threat for other teams to think that they've
be god forbid missing out on a late second round pick,
like it was just it was idiotic to think that
that could be a possibility, Like someone's gonna be like, well,
we're not gonna waste pick number fifty four to draft
Bronnie James because we may not get anything out of them.
(09:27):
Hardly anybody gets anything out of second round picks. They're
more failures than there are success rates. And if they
could think that it was an actual threat made it
that much more ridiculous that people are actually taking it seriously.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yes, yes, I mean you're right, and Okay, so we
can get into a bunch of parts to it. I
want to get into the idea of not doing a
two way contract and we'll explain what that means. A
longtime college hoops analyst and NBA draft expert, franfra Scilla,
is going to join us upcoming in ten minutes. Fran
(09:58):
knows these guys cold and kind of like the two
of us, like, he's not He's not bound by the
constraints of having to kiss the booty of lebron James.
And we can, he can. We can go back and
forth as to just how good Bronnie is and can be,
but let's tackle the not even the elephant the room.
(10:21):
The whole reason this took place is the father son element.
Here's Rob Polinka, GM and the Lakers discussing it.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Bronnie is first and foremost a person of high character,
and second he is a young man that works incredibly hard,
and those are the qualities we look for in drafting
players and adding to our developmental core. The Lakers.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Okay, so high character. I agree. I've never heard anyone
say he's of anything but high character. He works hard, great,
they all do. Like, let's not pretend like there's not
other guys of high character to work hard. Fine. Here's
Polinka on the historic father son connection history.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Of the NBA. There's never been a father and a
son that have shared an NBA basketball court, and that
feels like something that could be magical. And we know
and have to respect of course that Lebron has a
decision about his opt out, and I'm sure he and
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his family and his agent will deliberate what they're going
to do there, And of course he has freedom to
decide whatever's best for him and his family. But if
it worked out that he was on our team next season,
NBA history could be made, and NBA history should be
made in a Lakers uniform.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's really really impressive of rob and rob by the way,
as a friend of coaches sent Durham, he's a good dude,
good great family christ and his wife is just a
wonderful lady. But to keep a straight face when he says,
like Lebron James is going somewhere, like come along, still
up in the air, Know what are we doing? Why?
Speaker 5 (12:00):
What?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Why? Like I understand that there's the possible, like what
are we actually doing?
Speaker 6 (12:11):
What?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Why? Why carry on some charade of lies? Like it?
Well it listen if he decides and his agent and
his family have decide, if Lebron's coming back history could
be made, Like dude, what.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Wasn't the message after Night one on how JJ Reddick
was already designing things to Rob Polenka on what they
were going to do with Dalton connect and this sounds
stuff like that I would write a graduation card to
a high school or college graduate, you know, like like
you talk about like the differences of like and and
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maybe Night one was more about selling JJ Reddick as
the head coach sort of thing. But the whole thing
is a cell job. Whether it's Brownie, whether it's Jick.
There was no we're looking at ways to get Bronnie
James involved on the offense and looking at ways to
utilize him on defense. There was none of that. There
was for Dalton Knack, but there was none of that
for Bronnie James.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I mean, look, I'll give you can I give you
the analysis. I'll be interested to hear what Franz says.
I actually have a player on my team who's played
against Bronnie and he's when he and I last night
had dinner and I said, like, you know, what was
it like to play against him? He's like, he's a
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good defender, He's like, but he doesn't he doesn't ever
take over a game. And you know, looks as you know,
but I don't know if the listeners. Note where our
studio at Fox Sports Radio is located is down the
street from Sherman Oaks Notre Dame. Bronnie's senior year, Notre
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Dame beat ci R Canyon four times. Each time it
got worse loaded loaded team, loaded, loaded team. And you know,
so too is uh what's the other school there's there's
the whole league is called the Mission League, and it's
become arguably the best high school league in the country.
(14:19):
And I don't think he definitely wasn't one of the
top five players. I don't believe he's one of the
top ten players his senior year. Now, it was a
loaded league, okay, you had at Triman Oaks Notre Dame,
you had four high level Division one players, Okay, but
he wasn't one of the ten best players his senior year.
I understand he had the heart issue and oh yeah,
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by the way, like here's kind of comical, like lait
so we he got a pass on the broadcast for
having a heart issue, when traditionally any other player, if
you essentially had a heart attack, no would ever draft you,
even if you had a grade season like he averaged
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four points a game. And when he got a chance
to start because as a Collier was injured, like they
weren't competitive. So I just he's not a bad basketball player.
This is just way above his level for where he
is currently, and like we're forcing it. So then you
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add in the fact that Rich Paul says he doesn't
want to play a two way? Does he's not gonna
do a two way? A two way allows you to
go down to the G League. Like, so you're just
gonna sit on the bench with the Lakers and the
only hoop you're gonna get is in workouts because once
the season starts, they don't practice, Like Lebron's not practicing
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forty years old, you're not practicing. Now You'll be there
and every once in a while they have a practice
and they go through some stuff. But Anthony Davis and
Lebron James, those guys aren't practicing. So how is he
actually going to get better? Where is the developmental plan?
There's none. If they want to to develop him, you
you send him to Duquane and he plays like for
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one of his best friends. This is not a developmental plan.
This is a side show. And again you're allowed to.
I mean, Rob Polinka said as much as you pointed
out Dan, he said as much that this is going
to be as for historic nature has nothing to do
with basketball, zero, Because if it had to do with basketball,
you can still acquire Bronnie James, and you could have
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got another player at fifty five who actually could help you,
maybe a stash him for the future, but you didn't.
So I just I thought it was an embarrassing night
all along. And I do feel bad for Bronnie, but
I think some of this has been has caused him
to be how he is as a player. You know
where his dad sucks up so much of the oxygen
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in the room for everything that Bronnie never tries to
take over anything on the court. Off the court, He's
just a great kid who likes to play basketball. That's awesome.
But you're in the business of winning games, aren't.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I'll just say this quickly to Doug something to watch. Remember,
lebron changed his number this past year back to twenty three.
The reason, he said at the time was to honor
Bill Russell, who wore six. Well, Bronni wore six in college,
and I wonder, just wonder if when Bronni ends up
being a Laker, if he wears number six. And that
was the reason why Lebron actually did switch to twenty three,
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which would mean that the plan probably would have been
and works for how many months, you know, year, a
year and a half to be able to make this done.
Just something to watch.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's very interesting and there is something too. There is
something too having the ability to make something you know,
have a vision for it, and then make it happen
like that's one of the great things about Lebron you
cannot take away from him. Like he had this whole
vision not just for his career, but for production company,
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for his friends, and they've all become very, very successful.
Now his son is in the NBA and is on
his team, like all of those things. But gosh it,
it feels it doesn't feel like it's focused on winning.
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You know I've done a lot of work for a stadium.
They have an over the air channel and of course
they have the app as well, and I was watching
her in the NBA Draft. I've done that show before
and my guy Pat Garrity, who was teammate of mine,
our best player at at Notre Dame, of course, is
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part of their crew. And I turned it on and
frim Fscilla was on and I was like, man, this
is the spot to watch because Fran I respect the
hell out of all these guys that prep for the draft.
But what separates Fran is like he literally knows everything
about every player and has an opinion based upon who
he talks to in the film he watched. So with that,
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let's welcome in. Of course, he's been the head coach
at Mexico and Saint John's Manhattan. Longtime college hoops and
NBA draft analyst. Fran Forcilla joins us on the Dan
Patrick Show along with Dan Byrum, Doug Gottlieb in for
Dan and the Dan Nuts and Frandy. Thanks so much
for joining us. Let's just start it at like top
of the draft. If you were to say, hey, and
as somebody who's covered the international scene back when you
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were doing the draft at ESPN, is there is there
something that's changed about international basketball that we had three
of the top six be French players, or is just
this just kind of a one off.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Oh no, this is not a one off. This has
been This is sixty years in the making. If you
think about it and you grew up in a basketball family,
your dad knew a lot of these guys. If you
look at Ub Brown and Chuck Dailey and Doctor Jack
and Dean Smith and Gukarnaseca in the sixties and by
the way, Red auerback in the fifties as well. In
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the summertime, they would go around the world and be
asked to speak of clinics of the Italian Coaches Federation
or something for the state department in Greece, and they
taught the world the game of basketball. And then when
you add in the obviously the Dream Team in ninety
two and the dream of people like Gasaul and Naviitzki
and seeing these NBA players that they can they could
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do it too. What simply happened, especially in the last
twenty years, And ironically it's the twenty years I've really
been involved with international basketball. The globe has shrunk, and
the international coaches learned the game from US, and now
they're actually in some ways teaching it back to us.
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So it's come circle. It's not stopping, and you're going
to see pretty shortly, I think in the near future
that instead of twenty percent of the NBA being born
outside of the United States, it's probably going to go higher.
And for example, this is just one more thing on France.
When you look at the immigrant when you look at
the immigration from the former French colonies in Africa to
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the country, you're talking about kids that look like they
and I say this respectfully having grown up in New
York City among a lot of African American players, that's
what it looks like now when you look at these
French kids, they look like they come from Detroit and Chicago,
and they're athletic, they're big, they're long, they're coachable, and
we're seeing that impact on the NBA.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Dan, let me just kind of back up with France
saying and kind of make this more of a discussion.
Fran Yeah, I played in France twenty man, I'm getting old,
not like twenty two years ago. And the reason that
I liked playing there the most was of the of
the European styles, and obviously Foba basketball is different. It
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was the most like America because you had you had athleticism,
the coaches let you play. It was much more free
flowing than how you know, how they were playing when
I played in Russia or even when I played uh
in Israel. And then you add in the athleticism. But
but the other part too, it is like we are.
It's not just that we're not teaching our kids enough.
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The bouncing around from school to school in high school
and the bouncing around to aau, the bouncing around in college,
you don't. It kills the developmental process. Whereas and again
you're the expert more in European basketball. Most of those kids,
and I know Alex Sar came over here and played
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ote and developed a great deal. But previously that their
junior programs, you don't bounce around, and so you can
build a kid up and have him understand the entire
game because he's coached by the same people and in
the same system for multiple years.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Well that's very true, Doug. You know, keep in mind,
we have three hundred and fifty million people in America
and we love our sports. We certainly love our basketball,
and you notice we have a lot of basketball experts
in America. Anybody who wants to be a basketball expert
and say they are one. So and it's a democratic process, right,
I mean, everybody's got a freedom to be a basketball expert. Well,
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in a country like let's just say Serbia, for example,
with eight million people, when you grow up in certain
parts of Serbia, you basically taught well most of Serbia,
actually you taught the game the same way. And it's
based on the things that we remember. You know, I
remember earlier in my career. Your dad certainly could probably
have filled you in on this. Just the game of
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basketball starts with the foundation of fundamentals. And I used
to tell my guys, don't get bored. If you're getting better,
we're going to do these same girls every day. And
that's how they approach it in places like Lithuania and
France and Serbia. And I would say this, it's not
that the coaching is better, because we have great coaches
in our country in the United States, but the way
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they teach the game is very much like the way
we saw the game taught by people like you know,
you B. Brown and Dean Smith and others, and we
get away from it sometimes because of AAU and all
the games they play. But this has been coming. It's
not stopping, and it's I think it's great for I
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think it's great for the game because as much as
I don't want to be the ugly American and I'm not,
I just enjoy the fact that the globe is shrunk,
and you know, you get a chance to even the
styles of player back to what we remember like growing
up with ball movement and flow, and you know, it's beautiful.
I think it's great.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
One more on this, but just more of a bigger
picture thing. You said, this has been developing in France
for a long time. I felt that the NBA changed
with Dirk? Is that the point? Am I off on that?
Like it felt like when Herk comes to the NBA, now,
all of a sudden, for the next decade, everybody's trying
to find their next Dirk.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Am I correct in that assessment?
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Yeah? You know what, Dan, there was a I would
say this The whole thing on international hoops changed in
about two thousand and four, and it probably coincided with
us being a disaster in it in Athens, Greece when
our when our Olympic team was horrible but what's what's
happened is the Uh, there's more resources put in by
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the NBA to international basketball scouting. It really wasn't that
way prior to about two thousand and four. And so
to your point, there's so many more Dirks coming up
coming down the pipe. Dirk and pow Dassol I mentioned,
and before that, you know Marshall Ownus and the handful
of guys that came over from Europe before two thousand. Uh,
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there's they they were anomalies. But the way international scouting
has gone, every NBA team's got number of international scouts
around the globe. There are no more surprises. And when
I say no more surprises, there's no more. There's not.
You're gonna know about Dirk very early in his career now,
and so that's I think that's cool. One other thing too, France.
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I might have said this earlier, but you know, France
because of that immigration I talked about, And it's true
in Canada, by the way, you know, I said, I
said ten years ago that Toronto would have the best
high school basketball in North America in part because a
lot of the kids in Detroit, Chicago, New York, they
leave at at the age of fourteen or fifteen, they
go to prep school. But when you look at what
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Shay Gilders, Alexander and Andrew Wiggins and the them Hearts,
and you know, so many guys coming up through that system.
You're talking about people in the for the most part,
who you know, immigrated from the Caribbean from Africa, and
so they they've got the DNA to be good and
now they're you know, there's some great coaches in Canada,
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second generation players who have now gone back to Toronto and
other places and are teaching the game and so you know, hey,
now I would say this guys, Canada, I think will
provide us a great level of competition in the Olympics.
When you look at this starting backcoorde of Gildus, Alexander
and Jamal Murray, I mean that's as good as back
quarter as should probably find anywhere.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, the GTA is a greater Toronto area continues to
just pump out talented player after talented player. Frankfurt Shill
is our guest, longtime college Basketbay anists of course NBA
draft analyst as well on with Dan Byrom Doug Got
leave us to Dan Patrick show Fox Sports Radio. Ronnie
James the prospect, how would you evaluate him?
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Well, I'm up to minds, so let me be let
me be honest. First of all, I think anybody who
knows basketball knows that his name wasn't James. He would
not have been a top six and pick. That's clear.
I mean, he was the third best guard on that
team at USC a team was a little bit dysfunctional.
Just I don't know what that even to do with
anything other than it just wasn't you know. They lost
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him overleaf. That didn't help him over the last few years.
But so Bron, he's got a ways to go. He's
a good athlete, he's undersized for him for a two guard.
He doesn't really have point guard skills, and we know
that in my opinion, that he would not have been drafted. Now,
having said that, I love the fact that the Lakers
took him at fifty five. Well, Lebron has been you know,
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for twenty years in icon, He's done everything the right way,
seems to be a great family man, loves his kids. Doug,
you know, you know how you and I are about
our kids, and so more power to him. You know,
fifty five is a tough spot for anybody to make
an NBA roster. Did it mean one guy didn't get drafted? Okay,
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I get it, but actually there were only fifty eight
picks and not sixty this year because of two picks
taken away from teams. So at the end of the day,
we know what's going to happen. He's going to the
G League and on a random Tuesday night in February,
when the Pistons come to town, they're gonna call Bronnie up.
He's gonna get into the game in the second quarter,
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h and Lebron's gonna be on the court with him.
They're gonna make history. It's gonna be cool. And then
more than likely he'll go back to Southway South Bay
Lakers and marinate there and try to develop into an
NBA player. So I have no real problem with it.
The anti Antetta Kuombo brothers have three world titles between
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the three of them, and only one of them is
an NBA player.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
So.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I get it. But here's here's my question. Is it
actually the best thing for Bronnie? Like why not send
them to Ducane for a year? Like and I know
these decisions already made, but like, why not send them
to do kne for a year, let him play and
give him a chance. Like I just don't think this
is the gives him the best opportunity to have sustained
success other than being kind of a side show. Like
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you said on a Tuesday night when the Pistons come
to town.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Well, I would say this. Keep in mind that Lebron's
clock is ticking. So you know, best thing for Bronnie
would have been to go back to USC and try
to become an all packed I almost said Pack twelve
Big ten player, but that wouldn't have helped the situation
with Lebron saying many many times through the years that
he wanted to play with Bronnie. So I think that's why.
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By the way, when I saw Lebron play against the
Nuggets in Game five that eliminated the Lakers, I couldn't
believe how good he still is. You know, I was
there at the game, and I think he's got two
more great years. But I think this is more about
Lebron wanting to play with Bronnie now as opposed to
waiting and sending him to Australia or keeping him in college.
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That wouldn't do any good if eventually Lebron decides to retire,
and so again fifty to fifth pick. I don't want
to say it's a throwaway pick, but it's kind of
a reward for what Lebron's done for, you know, the
Lakers here the last few years, winning the title during
the COVID year, and then what he's meant to the game,
and the fact that he wants to and listen, the
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league is run by the NBA superstars who are co
their partners with the owners, and it's run by the agents.
That's who runs the NBA. That's that's it, and so
rich Paul Lebron having the juice to do it, they're
doing it. And like I said, it may not be
in Brownie's best interest, but I don't have a real
problem with the fact that it's going to make everybody
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in the James family happy.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I was going to say, how does Zach Edie transition,
because now there seems to be expectations now that he's
a top ten pick. Who's who's that Zach in Memphis?
Speaker 6 (32:45):
I have to tell you that is the biggest mystery
I think I know basketball. I have no idea how
this is going to work out statistically, analytically, from a
size standpoint, from a fact that I think he's the
best NBA excuse me, the best college basketball center. I
don't know, Doug, maybe in twenty five years. When you
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look at it, I mean he's the last time somebody
won back to back Masmith Awards was Ralph Sampson. So
I don't know about you, Doug, but to me, he's
the best college center in the last twenty five years,
if not further. And yet I'm not sure he's going
to how he's going to play in the NBA because
of the different style. I would say this, I would
assume the Memphis Grizzlies had long discussions and including with
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their coach Taylor Jenkins, about look, he's going to be
available at nine, and how are we going to play him,
and what's going to be our strategy with him? Is
he going to be a backup center, play him against
second unit pig guys. I would think that they are
smart enough to have had many discussions about figuring out
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how to play this guy. And I think one thing
he will do if you played through him, he's getting
a lot of people in foul trouble.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
And he will get infoul trouble himself. I guess is
the other problem.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Well, well that's the question. That's the question. And I
don't think we know how he's good again, even on
the defensive.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Then that's that's that's I mean, I don't know where
you put him on defense, considering he didn't leave the
paint uh in college.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
But he's Doug. He's one of the biggest human beings
you ever see. There are plays in the championship game
where guys drove to the basket and they pretty much
said that I think I'm not gonna go all the way.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
The next level. They they they go over and around
a little bit differently and the angles are different. But
I'm with you, it's a mystery, like nine is so high,
And Dan, I thought you asked the question perfectly, like
now you've got expectations and I get nine. You know,
how do you how do you play him? Camp? Do
you play them with John Morant? Like that? That part
doesn't make sense to me at all. Friendy, You're the
(34:51):
best man. Love the work with stadium. Thanks so much
for joining us, yere on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
My pleasure dog see Dan, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
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Speaker 2 (35:55):
And we can get into the nepotism discussion at some
point this because I do think that sometimes you know
Nepotism is obviously a derogatory term, but there is there
is something too dan the fact that you know, for example,
I didn't get my job at Green Bay because of nepotism,
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but I grew up in a household. My dad was
a coach, My brother became a coach, Like basketball is
kind of what we do, and so I just, you know,
we look at this in some sort of like nefarious
connotation that you grew up in the family business. Kyle
Shanahan's dad even work right away for his dad. But
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Kyle Shanahan's a dude that's turned out to be pretty good,
you know, pretty good at his job, and kind of
we could go through it. Does it's not necessarily a
prerequisite for everybody, but doesn't hurt you know.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
It's funny you did say earlier in the show, you
were talking about how embarrassing some people were and trying
to justify it. Even though I don't don't agree with
the people who say that it's okay, it's nepotism, it's fine.
I don't think the Lakers should have drafted Bronnie James,
but nonither here nor there. I at least respect them
being honest with the decision. It's the people who are
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trying to convince us that there is a basketball reason
on why Bronnie James went number fifty five, which is
what you touched on earlier. But for those that are saying, like, yeah,
it's nepotism, happens all the time, this doesn't bother me.
I actually can respect that a whole lot more of
the people trying to convince me why this is a
great move for the Lakers on the court.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, I like, look, there is something too and we
always you know, like harken back to the top. You know,
Tommy Boy is a movie, and I can tell you
that in basketball, when you're the coach's son, it's usually
a lot more difficult. You know, you're held to a
higher standard. That's just the reality of it. When you're
a star player's son. Yeah, I mean doors get open
(37:55):
for you, but I do think that people can judge
you more harshly as well. This one, though, is just
it's a weird one because everyone seems to be scared
to tell lebron James the truth, you know, I mean
Paul George comparing him to Drew Holiday, how they both
play in the same league, in high school and I
guess they're both you know, McDonald's all Americans, but I mean,
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Drew Holiday is one of the best high school prospects
I've ever evaluated ever. They just dominated the game in
a way I both ends with grace and skill and intelligence,
And like Bronnie James is a nice player. I didn't
see one high school game that he dominated, And there
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wasn't a high school game that I didn't see Drew
Holiday dominate. Their impact at their schools, and I know
Drew came off the bench because Darren Collison stayed. But like,
comparing the two of them is offensive. But the only
reason that that I think Paul George would do that
is because you're trying to find a guy who who
you know, the best things he does you can't quantify
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with stats. You know, you're like, well, his defense is great,
and he's his defense is better than his offense. It's
a little bit like saying it's her personality, right, but like,
let's let's let's not compare with to a Holiday. Let's
just not do that. That that makes you sound like
you've never seen either play at the same age they are.
They're both African American they both play in the Mission League,
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and I guess they're both technically McDonald's all Americans. That's
where it ends. That's where it ends. I saw this
story and I just I want to have a discussion
about it because this is Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Tradio for people don't listen to Fox Sports Radio
outside of Dan, which I understand. Dan's a legend. I grow.
I've listened to him. I've worked with him at two
different networks now obviously, but if you don't, My afternoon
(39:48):
show's called The Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio
from three to five Easter, and we also have an
our podcast. Dan Bayer is alongside today and of course
he's part of my show as well, and then he
has his own show on Sunday right here on Fox
Sports Radio. And I bring that up because do you
do you buy the Sunday ticket when you have, you know,
all the games in front of you at work, or
(40:08):
do you not buy it to save the money then
just coming to work, IM watch home.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
So I had previously bought it and then even during
COVID had it at home, and before I was doing
the Sunday show, I had it but once I've you know,
been now in the studio here and COVID's over with.
I have not subscribed the last year or so.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Okay, I've been a Sunday Ticket subscriber for the last
I would say probably, I mean twenty years. And I
don't know how many people know this, do you do?
You guys know? Do we have this discussion on on
on where who invented like Sunday ticket, like where it
(40:49):
all came from?
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I don't think so, really, yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
So. Eric Shanks, okay, who's the CEO and executive sure
Fox Sports. He he was in Europe and they took
him to this place and they basically had a hub
and I don't remember well recall what it was called,
but they had a Sunday ticket like for international soccer,
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and it was a room when you walked in and
there's like, you know, eight different matches going on, and
you had the broadcast and they're literally headphones on. They're
calling the matches off their TV, and they pap a
guy on the shoulder and they would throw to his
game and then he'd you know, he'd take it to
you know, what was going on with with Liverpool? You know,
and they're on the pitch, right, and then let's slow
(41:38):
this to Real Madrid and now, thank you very much ahead,
Real Madrid's not it right. So that's how it. That's
so he took the model. He brought it back to
the States. I believe he worked for Direct TV at
the time, and they created the red Zone.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Oh, the red Zone. Okay, I got you. I thought
you meant the whole package of just airing the games,
but our red Zone was developed.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, just the idea of just the idea of throwing
from game to game to game, because I okay, I
mean you had it for a long time. What percentage
of times did you watch Red Zone? Which percentage of
time did you just stick with one game?
Speaker 5 (42:13):
I am.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I am the rarity where I was not a red
Zone watcher. Whether it was our buddy Andrews Ciciliano or
if it was Scott Hansen, I was not a red
Zone guy. I was watching the games and going back
and forth, or even maybe at times watching the mixed
channel with all the games on at the same time.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, Jason Stewart, are you a mixed guy or you
were you a Red Zone guy or an individual individual guy?
Speaker 5 (42:36):
I think I got the DirecTV Sunday ticket once in
my entire career once and then I realized I'm not
watching a tiny percentage of these games. Red Zone consumes
my Sundays and it has for many years. That's all
I do for the ten o'clock Pacific Time games and
the one o'clock Pacific Time games is basically all Red Zone.
(42:59):
And a lot of that is because it was a fantasy, right.
I mean, we all have to do work on Sundays
and pay attention, but fantasy, the best way to follow
your team is on the red zone.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
So a jury in Los Angeles, the US District Court
ordered the NFL to pay more than four point seven
billion dollars in damages Thursday, after ruling that the league
violated antitrust laws in distributing out of market Sunday afternoon
games on a premium subscription service. The jury awarded four
point seven billion in damages to the residential class and
(43:31):
ninety six million in damages to the commercial class. Since
damages can be tripled under federal and trust laws, the
NFL could end up being liable for fourteen point thirty
nine billion dollars. Now. The lawsuit covered four point two
point four million residential subscribers. That's amazing that only two
point four million people on average had it. I feel
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like I thought everybody had Red Zone and forty eight
thousand businesses in the United States who paid for the
package of out of market games for the two from
the twenty eleven through the twenty twenty two seasons on
direct TV. The lawsuit claimed the league broke anti trust
laws by selling its packages of Sunday games at an
inflated price that subscribers or subscribers also say the league
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restricted competition by offering Sunday ticket only on a satellite provider.
The NFL office is going to fight it now here.
Here's my question, Like, I don't understand this at all,
and we need to get we need to get I
have a bunch of lawyer friends. I'm gonna call them.
I don't understand. Like, if you don't want the package
and it's too expensive, well don't buy the package. Do
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you violate anti trust laws if you drive up the
price of your your tickets at your stadium or parking
at your stadium, Like I'm I've never really heard like
it is a free market society and oh yeah, by
the way, the reason that they restricted competition was they
paid a ton of money in order to broadcast the
Sunday ticket, and so to make up for that money
(44:58):
spent and then to make money to keep delights on,
you had to charge absorbent fees for it. And oh yeah,
by the way, the other truth to it is and
I don't even know, like last year was expensive. I
didn't watch it nearly as much as I wanted to
on on YouTube TV. But you can watch it obviously
in your phone, so much easier. It's still a bargain, right.
Speaker 6 (45:20):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (45:22):
I don't know if it is.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I okay, Like, listen, we grew up. If you grew
up in Wisconsin, so on a Sunday when you're a kid,
what games were on?
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Well, the Packers were on, they stopped, the.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Packers went, and the Packers were bad. What if there's
another NFC game you want to watch, couldn't watch it
right at same time?
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Okay, so you were blocked in by your local So
this allowed you to watch anybody anywhere at any time.
And then oh yeah, by the way, like if you
compare that to what it would cost to go watch
a game, you know, or what it would cost to
have multiple satellites or you know, you can't watch multiple
chants like, it's not that much money, truly, isn't.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
I understand what you're saying in terms of if you
want it, you'll pay enough for it. The two problems
that I see are Number one, the NFL, and their
argument was they were also protecting CBS and Fox that
they wanted more people to go to their broadcast, especially
in the late window. I would say that's where they
(46:27):
get their biggest clears. Usually that's where you'll see, you know,
the Cowboys and forty nine Ers and the Chiefs and
Bengals playing in those four to twenty five Eastern Time
kickoff games. They wanted to maximize that. But did it
really cost three hundred and fifty dollars to put this
all on? Could you have given your fans the opportunity
(46:48):
for two hundred was two hundred too low that you
thought that maybe then they wouldn't take in? I don't
think that it was in Goodell's argument of saying, the
fans want more football, this is why we went to
a seventeenth game. The fans want more football. Well, apparently
you're not willing to give it to them unless they
pay this crazy amount of money to see all of
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these games. So he's talking on the one side of
his mouth and saying, this is why we should expand
for more money, and then on the other side of
his mouth, we're saying, well, then we're going to charge
so much. So if fans really want to watch more football,
they're going to have to pay this much. To me,
it's mixed messaging on that point and just not taking
care of your of your really your main product, and
(47:30):
that's your fan base that has made every single football
episode a top fifty program for how many years?
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Okay, so, but there's a little contradiction in what you're saying. Right,
they wanted to protect Network TV, and they succeeded in
doing so. Meanwhile, they did charge you an arm and
a leg for those of us who are football fanatics
who want to watch all the games, and they made
money with that. And by the way, you're just so aware.
I mean, like, look, some of this comes down to
(47:59):
the NFL charge such a high a dollar amount for
the broadcast rights of red Zone and Sunday Ticket. Okay
that it really bled uh bled at and t dry, right,
I mean It's one of the reasons they let the
package go and it went to YouTube was it was
just too expensive. But it all worked, like everybody's making money.
(48:22):
The stadiums are full, people watch TV. I don't understand
it all worked. And if people don't want to pay it,
then don't pay it. You still got your free TV.
I don't understand how you can get something which is
an extra benefit and you're like, yeah, that's too expensive.
Like no, I mean, look, do I this is? This is?
Can we go through Chipotle and all these other places
(48:45):
that charge absorbment fees for an avocado for avocado? Right? Like,
if you don't want avocado, don't get avocado. You know
avocado is extra. Did you know how vocado's extra? I
know avocado?
Speaker 5 (48:56):
No one.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
I could also go to the store and buy avocados
until put it on there. I can't, right, and.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
You get I don't remember you no, no, no, no, you
go home and watch You can watch the NFL. You
just can't watch the game that you select. There's no
world in which you can't watch with rabbit years. If
you still have rabbit years, you can still watch the NFL.
It's the exact same thing. I mean, look, it doesn't
make any sense to me that oat milk. I get
oat milk in my coffee. Oat milk should cost the
(49:22):
exact same amount, if not, in some places, less than dairy.
I work for the state of Wisconsin. The should mention
that I do Oh, okay, that might have been that
might have been a colossal mistake. I do love cheese, Okay,
I love cheese. I just oh, man, I just, I mean,
I haven't coached the game yet. I just I just
took an l Anyway, the point is like, okay, so
(49:42):
this doesn't make sense to me, right that if I
get If I go get coffee at any local coffee
place and I get oat milk, somehow it's more expensive
when oat milk costs the exact same amount as dairy,
the exact same in many ways, less money than dairy.
Why am I paying? But I gook, that's the choice
I make. I can still have coffee, I can still
have milk in it, or I can have oat milk
(50:03):
in my house and pour it in. But if I
want to pay the seventy five cents extra, you gotta
put a littleat milk in so I you know, you
can still watch no one stopped you from watching NFL football.
This was a special package for those of us who
are insane football fans who have multiple fantasy football teams,
as as Jason Stewart talked about, who want to watch
(50:23):
an out of the market game, who want to watch
you know, the the rare you know, the rare Charger
fan who wanted to watch the Chargers like me when
you're living, you know, in New England, which they did
at the time. So I'm watching like every Charger game. Okay,
so you gotta pay a little extra, and if you
don't want to pay extra, then you don't pay extra.
If it gets too expensive, then don't do it.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
But if ESPN is saying seventy bucks versus three hundred
and fifty dollars, that is I mean, that's that's not
just a little bit more. It almost feels like it's
the medication thing, right, Like I mean, if you need
your diabetes medicine, like you could charge whatever for insulin,
(51:06):
but it's kind of at some point be affordable, right,
I mean, like that's that's what it feels like the
NFL is taking.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
I got, I got it. It is and it isn't
like seventeen weeks at three hundred and fifty bucks, Like,
you can't. You're not gonna pay twenty bucks a week
to watch every every NFL game. You don't have to
get off your couch, you don't have to go to
a stadium, you know. Like they also have to protect
the people coming into the games. May get special for
people to come into the games. That's the one thing
about how easy the ease of use. I mean, that's what.
(51:35):
What's the reason that I don't like going to NFL games?
I last couple of years, I go to Charger games.
I always go to Sunday night and Monday night games, specifically,
I never go to the four o'clock starts. Why because
then you can't watch any other games. You miss everything.
So you have to kind of protect the games as well.
I just this is one which it's gonna get kicked
(51:57):
to a judge, and the judge is gonna give them
a favorable rule. They're not paying it in this money.
Thats just And I understand it does get more and
more and more and more expensive, but so has everything else.
So and the ESPN thing, like, yeah, they could charge
seventy bucks. ESPN also makes what nine dollars a sub.
You know, they make nine hours, so they're already making
(52:19):
money and they can charge a little bit less because
they're like Costco. Right, they sell everything in bulk. So,
by the way, ESPN down to seventy million subs, that
is a low number. That's an interesting discussion for another
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
What Up? Good Morning, Tia Stan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio.
I'm Doug Gottlieb, my guy Dan Byer alongside, so too
is Jason Stewart. Good Morning, Doug Morning. It's this is weird.
You're where I grew up, I'm where you grew up.
(00:25):
That's that's what's happened with our lives, right, I not
not exactly where you grew up, but in the the
state of of where you matriculated through school. And I'm
actually in the state where I was born, but not
where I'm matriculated through high school, middle school, whatever. So
it's it's a it's a weird, weird switch being in Wisconsin,
you being in California. But still nonetheless, uh, here we
(00:48):
are and we're I don't know, we've There's a lot
of conclusions you can make about the NBA draft. I
think the two day draft. Uh, it's pretty obvious that
somebody is like, hey, what if we did a two
day draft and a bunch of people said can we
make more money? And they're like, yes we can, will
(01:09):
it be good? I don't know if anybody actually flushed
that part out right, Like, that's how that's how brainstorming works,
sort of deal. You throw things up on the board,
you discuss it. You have to be willing to be
told that your idea, while productive, isn't going to be implemented.
I just there was that was not great.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
No, And let's and let's be honest too, Doug. They
were given a gift with Brownie James. Yes, that's an
absolute gift to have other.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Otherwise otherwise And look, you and I are hoopheads, right
Like you love golf, don't get me wrong, and of
course you have your Sunday show and your fantasy football
podcast whatever, but you let you love college hoop as
I obviously do. Now I'm a college head coach, right,
But I mean that was with if you take Ronnie
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James out of the second round, it becomes solely for
those of us who are absolute diehards, and we wonder, right,
I mean, given an absolute gift and even with that,
that was a tough watch.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, especially too because Philipowski and Kolik ended up going
in the first two of the first three picks of
the second round, so of names that we would be
familiar with with college basketball, not that there weren't other
college players, but those were the two biggest names that
I felt were still available at that point. They were
off the board within three picks of the second round, starting,
by the way, for those of us on the West coast,
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one o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Again, like, what part of this was well planned? I
just again, I understand. I deal with people all the
time who have asked us in the TV and radio
industry like why do games start so late? And generally
my argument is always, look, you may say your kid
can't stay up late and watch, but there are programming
(02:58):
people that they spend their entire professional lives figuring out
the math equation too. What is the appropriate tip time
so that when the game concludes, because that's when you
have peak viewing audience, you have the most eyes from
around the country watching this one. I got to know
the math on. I don't really understand what are you
trying to get us to not watch? I understand that
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it's the first time you've done it, but who in
their right mind thought that was a good idea? I can't.
I can't imagine a lot of people in the West coast,
where on the West Coast, where there's not a lot
of buzz about college hoops, and the only buzz was
about Bronnie James, who did grow up, did play college
basketball and now is a product of the member of
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the Los Angeles Lakers. That's the only guy. And it
happened at what three in the afternoon. I just that
one's a tough one for me. Doesn't add up a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And there was zero buzz because everything was also moved
to the studio, so it was very they weren't at
the Barclay Center like they were the n IP four. Yeah,
it was just odd and I just don't know how
you can continue that momentum, at least in the NFL.
People are hanging out around Detroit, you know, on the
Friday and Saturday and doing NFL sort of things and
(04:12):
wearing their team gear. But this was just, yeah, this
was just odd.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, I mean, look, I am in green Bay, Wisconsin.
Doug Gottlieb Dan Bayer in for Dan and Danetts here
on Dan Patrick cho Fox Sports Radio and for people
who don't know, the NFL Draft next year comes to
Green Bay, and you know the planning in the city.
The plan is there'll be two hundred and fifty thousand
people come into the city and it's a show. There's
(04:38):
concerts planned, there's already a lot of venues down in
Title Town, you know, obviously right there next to lambeau
and I can't imagine the buzz that there's gonna have.
Obviously there'll be the potential there in the spring for weather,
but there's the at Room, which I just got a
chance to see two nights ago, inside of lambeau Field,
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where you're already covered. I'm sure they're making all kinds
of contingency plans, but trying to mimic the NFL is
such a mistake. You're just not the NFL. And I
feel like that's what the NBA did where, you know,
so many times the WNBA has been rightfully accused of
why are you trying to compete or compare yourself to
(05:22):
the NBA. You're it's a completely different calculation. The same
would be true for the NBA last night. I think
it's a pretty completely different calculation. But let's get to
the topic to Jore, which just so happens to be
the topic of the day. Bronnie James was drafted by
the Lakers, and I thought, and look, I am not
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generally critical of other broadcasters. Having been a broadcaster, I
can tell you that there's a lot of things that
go on that you may not and we can let
you kind of inside the beltway, especially now crossing over
into coaching, I can I can not selling out any friends,
but I can tell you the reality of how things
go and why they go. And Dan, as you and
I have talked about before, you know, a lot of
(06:04):
people are critical, for example of ESPN ABC's halftime show
during the during the NBA Finals, like, well, you just
have some one minute thing like that's because those segments
are sold like they network breaks are different. You don't
have the benefit of cable where Barkley and the inside
of the NBA crew can can vamp for you know,
(06:24):
ten minutes uninterrupted. You don't have that. So there are
some things business wise that people just don't understand. We
can get to the the the idea of nepotism, we
get to all tho stuff. I thought of ESPN was
embarrassing with the defending the pick. I've never heard anything
like this. The whole thing is a complete debacle. And
(06:47):
Bob Myers, who I like, like, dude, you're sitting there
acting like you're breaking news saying a Rich Paul is
calling other teams telling him, not telling him not to
draft Brownie. If they do, he's going to Australia. Like like,
you have to be able to process that people are
telling you things that aren't accurate, right, you can't you
(07:08):
have to process that. It was the whole Rich Paul
thing was such a clown show. And we'll get to
whether or not you can he why he would say,
we're not doing a two way, but the multiple teams interested,
they weren't. You worked out for two teams. It was
some sort of leverage play to get the Lakers to
make sure they hired JJ Reddick and they drafted Ronnie James.
(07:31):
And look, you're allowed to draft Ronnie James. You're allowed
to have nepotism. Like again, like we can talk about it,
but just carrying on a charade like he was gonna
go to Australia or somebody else was interested. When the
whole thing, the the part that I would say is
embarrassing for the Lakers is why'd you have to draft him?
(07:51):
No one was gonna draft Ronnie James. Everybody knew who's
going to LA. You can still sign him as an
undrafted free agent. And if the idea is, hey, we
don't want to embarrassing, I'm like, look, the market has spoken.
If you thought the next couple teams was five more picks,
you thought in the next five picks he was going
to get selected, Like, that's fine, but they weren't going
to take him. Everyone knows no one was going to
(08:15):
take him. And yet you do that, you carry on
a charade, and then Adrian Wardenowski woes again, somebody I
have a tremendous amount of respect for. But the defending saying, hey,
nepotism occurs throughout the NBA. True, And we can get
into whether or not there is there's a part of
nepotism that people don't talk about, which is actually a
really good thing. I'll get to that in a moment.
(08:37):
But acting like, well, if nepotism occurs elsewhere, the nepotism
here is fine, Like no, that's not like two wrongs
don't actually make it right.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
You know, it's funny, Doug. In terms of the threat
that Rich Paul made, the it wasn't even a threat.
If you were to look back at the other years
of the NBA, there are a lot of teams that
would draft someone stash them because the player wouldn't come
over from Europe and then be available in the next
two or three years. That actually may be a better
plan for Brownie James's actual pro prospects than to be
(09:06):
an actual threat for other teams to think that they've
be god forbid missing out on a late second round pick,
like it was just it was idiotic to think that
that could be a possibility, Like someone's gonna be like, well,
we're not gonna waste pick number fifty four to draft
Bronnie James because we may not get anything out of them.
(09:27):
Hardly anybody gets anything out of second round picks. They're
more failures than there are success rates. And if they
could think that it was an actual threat made it
that much more ridiculous that people are actually taking it seriously.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yes, yes, I mean you're right, and Okay, so we
can get into a bunch of parts to it. I
want to get into the idea of not doing a
two way contract and we'll explain what that means. A
longtime college hoops analyst and NBA draft expert, franfra Scilla,
is going to join us upcoming in ten minutes. Fran
(09:58):
knows these guys cold and kind of like the two
of us, like, he's not He's not bound by the
constraints of having to kiss the booty of lebron James.
And we can, he can. We can go back and
forth as to just how good Bronnie is and can be,
but let's tackle the not even the elephant the room.
(10:21):
The whole reason this took place is the father son element.
Here's Rob Polinka, GM and the Lakers discussing it.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Bronnie is first and foremost a person of high character,
and second he is a young man that works incredibly hard,
and those are the qualities we look for in drafting
players and adding to our developmental core. The Lakers.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Okay, so high character. I agree. I've never heard anyone
say he's of anything but high character. He works hard, great,
they all do. Like, let's not pretend like there's not
other guys of high character to work hard. Fine. Here's
Polinka on the historic father son connection history.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Of the NBA. There's never been a father and a
son that have shared an NBA basketball court, and that
feels like something that could be magical. And we know
and have to respect of course that Lebron has a
decision about his opt out, and I'm sure he and
(11:20):
his family and his agent will deliberate what they're going
to do there, And of course he has freedom to
decide whatever's best for him and his family. But if
it worked out that he was on our team next season,
NBA history could be made, and NBA history should be
made in a Lakers uniform.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's really really impressive of rob and rob by the way,
as a friend of coaches sent Durham, he's a good dude,
good great family christ and his wife is just a
wonderful lady. But to keep a straight face when he says,
like Lebron James is going somewhere, like come along, still
up in the air, Know what are we doing? Why?
Speaker 5 (12:00):
What?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Why? Like I understand that there's the possible, like what
are we actually doing?
Speaker 6 (12:11):
What?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Why? Why carry on some charade of lies? Like it?
Well it listen if he decides and his agent and
his family have decide, if Lebron's coming back history could
be made, Like dude, what.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Wasn't the message after Night one on how JJ Reddick
was already designing things to Rob Polenka on what they
were going to do with Dalton connect and this sounds
stuff like that I would write a graduation card to
a high school or college graduate, you know, like like
you talk about like the differences of like and and
(12:51):
maybe Night one was more about selling JJ Reddick as
the head coach sort of thing. But the whole thing
is a cell job. Whether it's Brownie, whether it's Jick.
There was no we're looking at ways to get Bronnie
James involved on the offense and looking at ways to
utilize him on defense. There was none of that. There
was for Dalton Knack, but there was none of that
for Bronnie James.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I mean, look, I'll give you can I give you
the analysis. I'll be interested to hear what Franz says.
I actually have a player on my team who's played
against Bronnie and he's when he and I last night
had dinner and I said, like, you know, what was
it like to play against him? He's like, he's a
(13:34):
good defender, He's like, but he doesn't he doesn't ever
take over a game. And you know, looks as you know,
but I don't know if the listeners. Note where our
studio at Fox Sports Radio is located is down the
street from Sherman Oaks Notre Dame. Bronnie's senior year, Notre
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Dame beat ci R Canyon four times. Each time it
got worse loaded loaded team, loaded, loaded team. And you know,
so too is uh what's the other school there's there's
the whole league is called the Mission League, and it's
become arguably the best high school league in the country.
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And I don't think he definitely wasn't one of the
top five players. I don't believe he's one of the
top ten players his senior year. Now, it was a
loaded league, okay, you had at Triman Oaks Notre Dame,
you had four high level Division one players, Okay, but
he wasn't one of the ten best players his senior year.
I understand he had the heart issue and oh yeah,
(14:40):
by the way, like here's kind of comical, like lait
so we he got a pass on the broadcast for
having a heart issue, when traditionally any other player, if
you essentially had a heart attack, no would ever draft you,
even if you had a grade season like he averaged
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four points a game. And when he got a chance
to start because as a Collier was injured, like they
weren't competitive. So I just he's not a bad basketball player.
This is just way above his level for where he
is currently, and like we're forcing it. So then you
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add in the fact that Rich Paul says he doesn't
want to play a two way? Does he's not gonna
do a two way? A two way allows you to
go down to the G League. Like, so you're just
gonna sit on the bench with the Lakers and the
only hoop you're gonna get is in workouts because once
the season starts, they don't practice, Like Lebron's not practicing
(15:44):
forty years old, you're not practicing. Now You'll be there
and every once in a while they have a practice
and they go through some stuff. But Anthony Davis and
Lebron James, those guys aren't practicing. So how is he
actually going to get better? Where is the developmental plan?
There's none. If they want to to develop him, you
you send him to Duquane and he plays like for
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one of his best friends. This is not a developmental plan.
This is a side show. And again you're allowed to.
I mean, Rob Polinka said as much as you pointed
out Dan, he said as much that this is going
to be as for historic nature has nothing to do
with basketball, zero, Because if it had to do with basketball,
you can still acquire Bronnie James, and you could have
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got another player at fifty five who actually could help you,
maybe a stash him for the future, but you didn't.
So I just I thought it was an embarrassing night
all along. And I do feel bad for Bronnie, but
I think some of this has been has caused him
to be how he is as a player. You know
where his dad sucks up so much of the oxygen
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in the room for everything that Bronnie never tries to
take over anything on the court. Off the court, He's
just a great kid who likes to play basketball. That's awesome.
But you're in the business of winning games, aren't.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I'll just say this quickly to Doug something to watch. Remember,
lebron changed his number this past year back to twenty three.
The reason, he said at the time was to honor
Bill Russell, who wore six. Well, Bronni wore six in college,
and I wonder, just wonder if when Bronni ends up
being a Laker, if he wears number six. And that
was the reason why Lebron actually did switch to twenty three,
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which would mean that the plan probably would have been
and works for how many months, you know, year, a
year and a half to be able to make this done.
Just something to watch.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's very interesting and there is something too. There is
something too having the ability to make something you know,
have a vision for it, and then make it happen
like that's one of the great things about Lebron you
cannot take away from him. Like he had this whole
vision not just for his career, but for production company,
(17:55):
for his friends, and they've all become very, very successful.
Now his son is in the NBA and is on
his team, like all of those things. But gosh it,
it feels it doesn't feel like it's focused on winning.
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You know I've done a lot of work for a stadium.
They have an over the air channel and of course
they have the app as well, and I was watching
her in the NBA Draft. I've done that show before
and my guy Pat Garrity, who was teammate of mine,
our best player at at Notre Dame, of course, is
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part of their crew. And I turned it on and
frim Fscilla was on and I was like, man, this
is the spot to watch because Fran I respect the
hell out of all these guys that prep for the draft.
But what separates Fran is like he literally knows everything
about every player and has an opinion based upon who
he talks to in the film he watched. So with that,
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let's welcome in. Of course, he's been the head coach
at Mexico and Saint John's Manhattan. Longtime college hoops and
NBA draft analyst. Fran Forcilla joins us on the Dan
Patrick Show along with Dan Byrum, Doug Gottlieb in for
Dan and the Dan Nuts and Frandy. Thanks so much
for joining us. Let's just start it at like top
of the draft. If you were to say, hey, and
as somebody who's covered the international scene back when you
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were doing the draft at ESPN, is there is there
something that's changed about international basketball that we had three
of the top six be French players, or is just
this just kind of a one off.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Oh no, this is not a one off. This has
been This is sixty years in the making. If you
think about it and you grew up in a basketball family,
your dad knew a lot of these guys. If you
look at Ub Brown and Chuck Dailey and Doctor Jack
and Dean Smith and Gukarnaseca in the sixties and by
the way, Red auerback in the fifties as well. In
(21:16):
the summertime, they would go around the world and be
asked to speak of clinics of the Italian Coaches Federation
or something for the state department in Greece, and they
taught the world the game of basketball. And then when
you add in the obviously the Dream Team in ninety
two and the dream of people like Gasaul and Naviitzki
and seeing these NBA players that they can they could
(21:38):
do it too. What simply happened, especially in the last
twenty years, And ironically it's the twenty years I've really
been involved with international basketball. The globe has shrunk, and
the international coaches learned the game from US, and now
they're actually in some ways teaching it back to us.
(21:58):
So it's come circle. It's not stopping, and you're going
to see pretty shortly, I think in the near future
that instead of twenty percent of the NBA being born
outside of the United States, it's probably going to go higher.
And for example, this is just one more thing on France.
When you look at the immigrant when you look at
the immigration from the former French colonies in Africa to
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the country, you're talking about kids that look like they
and I say this respectfully having grown up in New
York City among a lot of African American players, that's
what it looks like now when you look at these
French kids, they look like they come from Detroit and Chicago,
and they're athletic, they're big, they're long, they're coachable, and
we're seeing that impact on the NBA.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Dan, let me just kind of back up with France
saying and kind of make this more of a discussion.
Fran Yeah, I played in France twenty man, I'm getting old,
not like twenty two years ago. And the reason that
I liked playing there the most was of the of
the European styles, and obviously Foba basketball is different. It
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was the most like America because you had you had athleticism,
the coaches let you play. It was much more free
flowing than how you know, how they were playing when
I played in Russia or even when I played uh
in Israel. And then you add in the athleticism. But
but the other part too, it is like we are.
It's not just that we're not teaching our kids enough.
(23:27):
The bouncing around from school to school in high school
and the bouncing around to aau, the bouncing around in college,
you don't. It kills the developmental process. Whereas and again
you're the expert more in European basketball. Most of those kids,
and I know Alex Sar came over here and played
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ote and developed a great deal. But previously that their
junior programs, you don't bounce around, and so you can
build a kid up and have him understand the entire
game because he's coached by the same people and in
the same system for multiple years.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Well that's very true, Doug. You know, keep in mind,
we have three hundred and fifty million people in America
and we love our sports. We certainly love our basketball,
and you notice we have a lot of basketball experts
in America. Anybody who wants to be a basketball expert
and say they are one. So and it's a democratic process, right,
I mean, everybody's got a freedom to be a basketball expert. Well,
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in a country like let's just say Serbia, for example,
with eight million people, when you grow up in certain
parts of Serbia, you basically taught well most of Serbia,
actually you taught the game the same way. And it's
based on the things that we remember. You know, I
remember earlier in my career. Your dad certainly could probably
have filled you in on this. Just the game of
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basketball starts with the foundation of fundamentals. And I used
to tell my guys, don't get bored. If you're getting better,
we're going to do these same girls every day. And
that's how they approach it in places like Lithuania and
France and Serbia. And I would say this, it's not
that the coaching is better, because we have great coaches
in our country in the United States, but the way
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they teach the game is very much like the way
we saw the game taught by people like you know,
you B. Brown and Dean Smith and others, and we
get away from it sometimes because of AAU and all
the games they play. But this has been coming. It's
not stopping, and it's I think it's great for I
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think it's great for the game because as much as
I don't want to be the ugly American and I'm not,
I just enjoy the fact that the globe is shrunk,
and you know, you get a chance to even the
styles of player back to what we remember like growing
up with ball movement and flow, and you know, it's beautiful.
I think it's great.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
One more on this, but just more of a bigger
picture thing. You said, this has been developing in France
for a long time. I felt that the NBA changed
with Dirk? Is that the point? Am I off on that?
Like it felt like when Herk comes to the NBA, now,
all of a sudden, for the next decade, everybody's trying
to find their next Dirk.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Am I correct in that assessment?
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Yeah? You know what, Dan, there was a I would
say this The whole thing on international hoops changed in
about two thousand and four, and it probably coincided with
us being a disaster in it in Athens, Greece when
our when our Olympic team was horrible but what's what's
happened is the Uh, there's more resources put in by
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the NBA to international basketball scouting. It really wasn't that
way prior to about two thousand and four. And so
to your point, there's so many more Dirks coming up
coming down the pipe. Dirk and pow Dassol I mentioned,
and before that, you know Marshall Ownus and the handful
of guys that came over from Europe before two thousand. Uh,
(26:56):
there's they they were anomalies. But the way international scouting
has gone, every NBA team's got number of international scouts
around the globe. There are no more surprises. And when
I say no more surprises, there's no more. There's not.
You're gonna know about Dirk very early in his career now,
and so that's I think that's cool. One other thing too, France.
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I might have said this earlier, but you know, France
because of that immigration I talked about, And it's true
in Canada, by the way, you know, I said, I
said ten years ago that Toronto would have the best
high school basketball in North America in part because a
lot of the kids in Detroit, Chicago, New York, they
leave at at the age of fourteen or fifteen, they
go to prep school. But when you look at what
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Shay Gilders, Alexander and Andrew Wiggins and the them Hearts,
and you know, so many guys coming up through that system.
You're talking about people in the for the most part,
who you know, immigrated from the Caribbean from Africa, and
so they they've got the DNA to be good and
now they're you know, there's some great coaches in Canada,
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second generation players who have now gone back to Toronto and
other places and are teaching the game and so you know, hey,
now I would say this guys, Canada, I think will
provide us a great level of competition in the Olympics.
When you look at this starting backcoorde of Gildus, Alexander
and Jamal Murray, I mean that's as good as back
quarter as should probably find anywhere.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, the GTA is a greater Toronto area continues to
just pump out talented player after talented player. Frankfurt Shill
is our guest, longtime college Basketbay anists of course NBA
draft analyst as well on with Dan Byrom Doug Got
leave us to Dan Patrick show Fox Sports Radio. Ronnie
James the prospect, how would you evaluate him?
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Well, I'm up to minds, so let me be let
me be honest. First of all, I think anybody who
knows basketball knows that his name wasn't James. He would
not have been a top six and pick. That's clear.
I mean, he was the third best guard on that
team at USC a team was a little bit dysfunctional.
Just I don't know what that even to do with
anything other than it just wasn't you know. They lost
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him overleaf. That didn't help him over the last few years.
But so Bron, he's got a ways to go. He's
a good athlete, he's undersized for him for a two guard.
He doesn't really have point guard skills, and we know
that in my opinion, that he would not have been drafted. Now,
having said that, I love the fact that the Lakers
took him at fifty five. Well, Lebron has been you know,
(29:28):
for twenty years in icon, He's done everything the right way,
seems to be a great family man, loves his kids. Doug,
you know, you know how you and I are about
our kids, and so more power to him. You know,
fifty five is a tough spot for anybody to make
an NBA roster. Did it mean one guy didn't get drafted? Okay,
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I get it, but actually there were only fifty eight
picks and not sixty this year because of two picks
taken away from teams. So at the end of the day,
we know what's going to happen. He's going to the
G League and on a random Tuesday night in February,
when the Pistons come to town, they're gonna call Bronnie up.
He's gonna get into the game in the second quarter,
(30:11):
h and Lebron's gonna be on the court with him.
They're gonna make history. It's gonna be cool. And then
more than likely he'll go back to Southway South Bay
Lakers and marinate there and try to develop into an
NBA player. So I have no real problem with it.
The anti Antetta Kuombo brothers have three world titles between
(30:35):
the three of them, and only one of them is
an NBA player.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
So.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I get it. But here's here's my question. Is it
actually the best thing for Bronnie? Like why not send
them to Ducane for a year? Like and I know
these decisions already made, but like, why not send them
to do kne for a year, let him play and
give him a chance. Like I just don't think this
is the gives him the best opportunity to have sustained
success other than being kind of a side show. Like
(31:01):
you said on a Tuesday night when the Pistons come
to town.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Well, I would say this. Keep in mind that Lebron's
clock is ticking. So you know, best thing for Bronnie
would have been to go back to USC and try
to become an all packed I almost said Pack twelve
Big ten player, but that wouldn't have helped the situation
with Lebron saying many many times through the years that
he wanted to play with Bronnie. So I think that's why.
(31:26):
By the way, when I saw Lebron play against the
Nuggets in Game five that eliminated the Lakers, I couldn't
believe how good he still is. You know, I was
there at the game, and I think he's got two
more great years. But I think this is more about
Lebron wanting to play with Bronnie now as opposed to
waiting and sending him to Australia or keeping him in college.
(31:48):
That wouldn't do any good if eventually Lebron decides to retire,
and so again fifty to fifth pick. I don't want
to say it's a throwaway pick, but it's kind of
a reward for what Lebron's done for, you know, the
Lakers here the last few years, winning the title during
the COVID year, and then what he's meant to the game,
and the fact that he wants to and listen, the
(32:10):
league is run by the NBA superstars who are co
their partners with the owners, and it's run by the agents.
That's who runs the NBA. That's that's it, and so
rich Paul Lebron having the juice to do it, they're
doing it. And like I said, it may not be
in Brownie's best interest, but I don't have a real
problem with the fact that it's going to make everybody
(32:32):
in the James family happy.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I was going to say, how does Zach Edie transition,
because now there seems to be expectations now that he's
a top ten pick. Who's who's that Zach in Memphis?
Speaker 6 (32:45):
I have to tell you that is the biggest mystery
I think I know basketball. I have no idea how
this is going to work out statistically, analytically, from a
size standpoint, from a fact that I think he's the
best NBA excuse me, the best college basketball center. I
don't know, Doug, maybe in twenty five years. When you
(33:07):
look at it, I mean he's the last time somebody
won back to back Masmith Awards was Ralph Sampson. So
I don't know about you, Doug, but to me, he's
the best college center in the last twenty five years,
if not further. And yet I'm not sure he's going
to how he's going to play in the NBA because
of the different style. I would say this, I would
assume the Memphis Grizzlies had long discussions and including with
(33:31):
their coach Taylor Jenkins, about look, he's going to be
available at nine, and how are we going to play him,
and what's going to be our strategy with him? Is
he going to be a backup center, play him against
second unit pig guys. I would think that they are
smart enough to have had many discussions about figuring out
(33:52):
how to play this guy. And I think one thing
he will do if you played through him, he's getting
a lot of people in foul trouble.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
And he will get infoul trouble himself. I guess is
the other problem.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Well, well that's the question. That's the question. And I
don't think we know how he's good again, even on
the defensive.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Then that's that's that's I mean, I don't know where
you put him on defense, considering he didn't leave the
paint uh in college.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
But he's Doug. He's one of the biggest human beings
you ever see. There are plays in the championship game
where guys drove to the basket and they pretty much
said that I think I'm not gonna go all the way.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
The next level. They they they go over and around
a little bit differently and the angles are different. But
I'm with you, it's a mystery, like nine is so high,
And Dan, I thought you asked the question perfectly, like
now you've got expectations and I get nine. You know,
how do you how do you play him? Camp? Do
you play them with John Morant? Like that? That part
doesn't make sense to me at all. Friendy, You're the
(34:51):
best man. Love the work with stadium. Thanks so much
for joining us, yere on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
My pleasure dog see Dan, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
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Speaker 2 (35:55):
And we can get into the nepotism discussion at some
point this because I do think that sometimes you know
Nepotism is obviously a derogatory term, but there is there
is something too dan the fact that you know, for example,
I didn't get my job at Green Bay because of nepotism,
(36:15):
but I grew up in a household. My dad was
a coach, My brother became a coach, Like basketball is
kind of what we do, and so I just, you know,
we look at this in some sort of like nefarious
connotation that you grew up in the family business. Kyle
Shanahan's dad even work right away for his dad. But
(36:39):
Kyle Shanahan's a dude that's turned out to be pretty good,
you know, pretty good at his job, and kind of
we could go through it. Does it's not necessarily a
prerequisite for everybody, but doesn't hurt you know.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
It's funny you did say earlier in the show, you
were talking about how embarrassing some people were and trying
to justify it. Even though I don't don't agree with
the people who say that it's okay, it's nepotism, it's fine.
I don't think the Lakers should have drafted Bronnie James,
but nonither here nor there. I at least respect them
being honest with the decision. It's the people who are
(37:13):
trying to convince us that there is a basketball reason
on why Bronnie James went number fifty five, which is
what you touched on earlier. But for those that are saying, like, yeah,
it's nepotism, happens all the time, this doesn't bother me.
I actually can respect that a whole lot more of
the people trying to convince me why this is a
great move for the Lakers on the court.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, I like, look, there is something too and we
always you know, like harken back to the top. You know,
Tommy Boy is a movie, and I can tell you
that in basketball, when you're the coach's son, it's usually
a lot more difficult. You know, you're held to a
higher standard. That's just the reality of it. When you're
a star player's son. Yeah, I mean doors get open
(37:55):
for you, but I do think that people can judge
you more harshly as well. This one, though, is just
it's a weird one because everyone seems to be scared
to tell lebron James the truth, you know, I mean
Paul George comparing him to Drew Holiday, how they both
play in the same league, in high school and I
guess they're both you know, McDonald's all Americans, but I mean,
(38:20):
Drew Holiday is one of the best high school prospects
I've ever evaluated ever. They just dominated the game in
a way I both ends with grace and skill and intelligence,
And like Bronnie James is a nice player. I didn't
see one high school game that he dominated, And there
(38:40):
wasn't a high school game that I didn't see Drew
Holiday dominate. Their impact at their schools, and I know
Drew came off the bench because Darren Collison stayed. But like,
comparing the two of them is offensive. But the only
reason that that I think Paul George would do that
is because you're trying to find a guy who who
you know, the best things he does you can't quantify
(39:03):
with stats. You know, you're like, well, his defense is great,
and he's his defense is better than his offense. It's
a little bit like saying it's her personality, right, but like,
let's let's let's not compare with to a Holiday. Let's
just not do that. That that makes you sound like
you've never seen either play at the same age they are.
They're both African American they both play in the Mission League,
(39:25):
and I guess they're both technically McDonald's all Americans. That's
where it ends. That's where it ends. I saw this
story and I just I want to have a discussion
about it because this is Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Tradio for people don't listen to Fox Sports Radio
outside of Dan, which I understand. Dan's a legend. I grow.
I've listened to him. I've worked with him at two
different networks now obviously, but if you don't, My afternoon
(39:48):
show's called The Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio
from three to five Easter, and we also have an
our podcast. Dan Bayer is alongside today and of course
he's part of my show as well, and then he
has his own show on Sunday right here on Fox
Sports Radio. And I bring that up because do you
do you buy the Sunday ticket when you have, you know,
all the games in front of you at work, or
(40:08):
do you not buy it to save the money then
just coming to work, IM watch home.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
So I had previously bought it and then even during
COVID had it at home, and before I was doing
the Sunday show, I had it but once I've you know,
been now in the studio here and COVID's over with.
I have not subscribed the last year or so.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Okay, I've been a Sunday Ticket subscriber for the last
I would say probably, I mean twenty years. And I
don't know how many people know this, do you do?
You guys know? Do we have this discussion on on
on where who invented like Sunday ticket, like where it
(40:49):
all came from?
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I don't think so, really, yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
So. Eric Shanks, okay, who's the CEO and executive sure
Fox Sports. He he was in Europe and they took
him to this place and they basically had a hub
and I don't remember well recall what it was called,
but they had a Sunday ticket like for international soccer,
(41:16):
and it was a room when you walked in and
there's like, you know, eight different matches going on, and
you had the broadcast and they're literally headphones on. They're
calling the matches off their TV, and they pap a
guy on the shoulder and they would throw to his
game and then he'd you know, he'd take it to
you know, what was going on with with Liverpool? You know,
and they're on the pitch, right, and then let's slow
(41:38):
this to Real Madrid and now, thank you very much ahead,
Real Madrid's not it right. So that's how it. That's
so he took the model. He brought it back to
the States. I believe he worked for Direct TV at
the time, and they created the red Zone.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Oh, the red Zone. Okay, I got you. I thought
you meant the whole package of just airing the games,
but our red Zone was developed.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, just the idea of just the idea of throwing
from game to game to game, because I okay, I
mean you had it for a long time. What percentage
of times did you watch Red Zone? Which percentage of
time did you just stick with one game?
Speaker 5 (42:13):
I am.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I am the rarity where I was not a red
Zone watcher. Whether it was our buddy Andrews Ciciliano or
if it was Scott Hansen, I was not a red
Zone guy. I was watching the games and going back
and forth, or even maybe at times watching the mixed
channel with all the games on at the same time.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, Jason Stewart, are you a mixed guy or you
were you a Red Zone guy or an individual individual guy?
Speaker 5 (42:36):
I think I got the DirecTV Sunday ticket once in
my entire career once and then I realized I'm not
watching a tiny percentage of these games. Red Zone consumes
my Sundays and it has for many years. That's all
I do for the ten o'clock Pacific Time games and
the one o'clock Pacific Time games is basically all Red Zone.
(42:59):
And a lot of that is because it was a fantasy, right.
I mean, we all have to do work on Sundays
and pay attention, but fantasy, the best way to follow
your team is on the red zone.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
So a jury in Los Angeles, the US District Court
ordered the NFL to pay more than four point seven
billion dollars in damages Thursday, after ruling that the league
violated antitrust laws in distributing out of market Sunday afternoon
games on a premium subscription service. The jury awarded four
point seven billion in damages to the residential class and
(43:31):
ninety six million in damages to the commercial class. Since
damages can be tripled under federal and trust laws, the
NFL could end up being liable for fourteen point thirty
nine billion dollars. Now. The lawsuit covered four point two
point four million residential subscribers. That's amazing that only two
point four million people on average had it. I feel
(43:53):
like I thought everybody had Red Zone and forty eight
thousand businesses in the United States who paid for the
package of out of market games for the two from
the twenty eleven through the twenty twenty two seasons on
direct TV. The lawsuit claimed the league broke anti trust
laws by selling its packages of Sunday games at an
inflated price that subscribers or subscribers also say the league
(44:14):
restricted competition by offering Sunday ticket only on a satellite provider.
The NFL office is going to fight it now here.
Here's my question, Like, I don't understand this at all,
and we need to get we need to get I
have a bunch of lawyer friends. I'm gonna call them.
I don't understand. Like, if you don't want the package
and it's too expensive, well don't buy the package. Do
(44:37):
you violate anti trust laws if you drive up the
price of your your tickets at your stadium or parking
at your stadium, Like I'm I've never really heard like
it is a free market society and oh yeah, by
the way, the reason that they restricted competition was they
paid a ton of money in order to broadcast the
Sunday ticket, and so to make up for that money
(44:58):
spent and then to make money to keep delights on,
you had to charge absorbent fees for it. And oh yeah,
by the way, the other truth to it is and
I don't even know, like last year was expensive. I
didn't watch it nearly as much as I wanted to
on on YouTube TV. But you can watch it obviously
in your phone, so much easier. It's still a bargain, right.
Speaker 6 (45:20):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (45:22):
I don't know if it is.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I okay, Like, listen, we grew up. If you grew
up in Wisconsin, so on a Sunday when you're a kid,
what games were on?
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Well, the Packers were on, they stopped, the.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Packers went, and the Packers were bad. What if there's
another NFC game you want to watch, couldn't watch it
right at same time?
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Okay, so you were blocked in by your local So
this allowed you to watch anybody anywhere at any time.
And then oh yeah, by the way, like if you
compare that to what it would cost to go watch
a game, you know, or what it would cost to
have multiple satellites or you know, you can't watch multiple
chants like, it's not that much money, truly, isn't.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
I understand what you're saying in terms of if you
want it, you'll pay enough for it. The two problems
that I see are Number one, the NFL, and their
argument was they were also protecting CBS and Fox that
they wanted more people to go to their broadcast, especially
in the late window. I would say that's where they
(46:27):
get their biggest clears. Usually that's where you'll see, you know,
the Cowboys and forty nine Ers and the Chiefs and
Bengals playing in those four to twenty five Eastern Time
kickoff games. They wanted to maximize that. But did it
really cost three hundred and fifty dollars to put this
all on? Could you have given your fans the opportunity
(46:48):
for two hundred was two hundred too low that you
thought that maybe then they wouldn't take in? I don't
think that it was in Goodell's argument of saying, the
fans want more football, this is why we went to
a seventeenth game. The fans want more football. Well, apparently
you're not willing to give it to them unless they
pay this crazy amount of money to see all of
(47:09):
these games. So he's talking on the one side of
his mouth and saying, this is why we should expand
for more money, and then on the other side of
his mouth, we're saying, well, then we're going to charge
so much. So if fans really want to watch more football,
they're going to have to pay this much. To me,
it's mixed messaging on that point and just not taking
care of your of your really your main product, and
(47:30):
that's your fan base that has made every single football
episode a top fifty program for how many years?
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Okay, so, but there's a little contradiction in what you're saying. Right,
they wanted to protect Network TV, and they succeeded in
doing so. Meanwhile, they did charge you an arm and
a leg for those of us who are football fanatics
who want to watch all the games, and they made
money with that. And by the way, you're just so aware.
I mean, like, look, some of this comes down to
(47:59):
the NFL charge such a high a dollar amount for
the broadcast rights of red Zone and Sunday Ticket. Okay
that it really bled uh bled at and t dry, right,
I mean It's one of the reasons they let the
package go and it went to YouTube was it was
just too expensive. But it all worked, like everybody's making money.
(48:22):
The stadiums are full, people watch TV. I don't understand
it all worked. And if people don't want to pay it,
then don't pay it. You still got your free TV.
I don't understand how you can get something which is
an extra benefit and you're like, yeah, that's too expensive.
Like no, I mean, look, do I this is? This is?
Can we go through Chipotle and all these other places
(48:45):
that charge absorbment fees for an avocado for avocado? Right? Like,
if you don't want avocado, don't get avocado. You know
avocado is extra. Did you know how vocado's extra? I
know avocado?
Speaker 5 (48:56):
No one.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
I could also go to the store and buy avocados
until put it on there. I can't, right, and.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
You get I don't remember you no, no, no, no, you
go home and watch You can watch the NFL. You
just can't watch the game that you select. There's no
world in which you can't watch with rabbit years. If
you still have rabbit years, you can still watch the NFL.
It's the exact same thing. I mean, look, it doesn't
make any sense to me that oat milk. I get
oat milk in my coffee. Oat milk should cost the
(49:22):
exact same amount, if not, in some places, less than dairy.
I work for the state of Wisconsin. The should mention
that I do Oh, okay, that might have been that
might have been a colossal mistake. I do love cheese, Okay,
I love cheese. I just oh, man, I just, I mean,
I haven't coached the game yet. I just I just
took an l Anyway, the point is like, okay, so
(49:42):
this doesn't make sense to me, right that if I
get If I go get coffee at any local coffee
place and I get oat milk, somehow it's more expensive
when oat milk costs the exact same amount as dairy,
the exact same in many ways, less money than dairy.
Why am I paying? But I gook, that's the choice
I make. I can still have coffee, I can still
have milk in it, or I can have oat milk
(50:03):
in my house and pour it in. But if I
want to pay the seventy five cents extra, you gotta
put a littleat milk in so I you know, you
can still watch no one stopped you from watching NFL football.
This was a special package for those of us who
are insane football fans who have multiple fantasy football teams,
as as Jason Stewart talked about, who want to watch
(50:23):
an out of the market game, who want to watch
you know, the the rare you know, the rare Charger
fan who wanted to watch the Chargers like me when
you're living, you know, in New England, which they did
at the time. So I'm watching like every Charger game. Okay,
so you gotta pay a little extra, and if you
don't want to pay extra, then you don't pay extra.
If it gets too expensive, then don't do it.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
But if ESPN is saying seventy bucks versus three hundred
and fifty dollars, that is I mean, that's that's not
just a little bit more. It almost feels like it's
the medication thing, right, Like I mean, if you need
your diabetes medicine, like you could charge whatever for insulin,
(51:06):
but it's kind of at some point be affordable, right,
I mean, like that's that's what it feels like the
NFL is taking.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
I got, I got it. It is and it isn't
like seventeen weeks at three hundred and fifty bucks, Like,
you can't. You're not gonna pay twenty bucks a week
to watch every every NFL game. You don't have to
get off your couch, you don't have to go to
a stadium, you know. Like they also have to protect
the people coming into the games. May get special for
people to come into the games. That's the one thing
about how easy the ease of use. I mean, that's what.
(51:35):
What's the reason that I don't like going to NFL games?
I last couple of years, I go to Charger games.
I always go to Sunday night and Monday night games, specifically,
I never go to the four o'clock starts. Why because
then you can't watch any other games. You miss everything.
So you have to kind of protect the games as well.
I just this is one which it's gonna get kicked
(51:57):
to a judge, and the judge is gonna give them
a favorable rule. They're not paying it in this money.
Thats just And I understand it does get more and
more and more and more expensive, but so has everything else.
So and the ESPN thing, like, yeah, they could charge
seventy bucks. ESPN also makes what nine dollars a sub.
You know, they make nine hours, so they're already making
(52:19):
money and they can charge a little bit less because
they're like Costco. Right, they sell everything in bulk. So,
by the way, ESPN down to seventy million subs, that
is a low number. That's an interesting discussion for another
day as well. Dan Patrick Show rolls on here on
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