August 1, 2024 • 34 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, On3 Sports college football insider Andy Staples explains why the new 12-team playoff may actually benefit Notre Dame. Hall of Fame head coach Tony Dungy discusses the NFL's new kickoff rule and his role in getting Devin Hester into the Hall of Fame. And actor Matt Damon stops by to share some exciting news about his new movie "The Instigators."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We make way for the man who makes us smarter.
When it comes to college football. One of our favorites,
Andy Staples, covers college football for on three Sports. Let's
start with Michigan here because it feels like there's a
report about a report about a potential report that Michigan
could be facing a postseason ban one or two seasons.
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Where do we stand with this and what exactly are
the allegations that could be pending.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well, so that's from Chris Ballast at our Michigan site,
the Wolverine and on three And basically this is the
Connor Stallions case. This is the advanced scouting was Connor
Stallions and then his network of spies going around and
videoing people's signals so that he could then relay them
to Michigan coaches. Which advanced scouting is against the rules
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in college football. It was banned in the nineties as
a cost cutting measure. Basically one of those if Toledo
can't do it, Michigan can't do it. And so they
get caught doing that last year. That's tacked onto some
other stuff that they'd already been working on with Jim Harball,
which involved basically him getting a cheeseburger for some guys
that were already committed to Michigan that wanted to come
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in and look at the campus during COVID. But all
of that is now getting mashed together and we're waiting
to see what happens, and it could take a long time.
And basically what Chris reported is that they're talking about
potentially going after a postseason ban. But it's such a
preliminary stage here, like this is going to take months,
two years to get resolved. Michigan's gonna fight, like hell.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
The most pressure is it in Alabama or in Michigan
With these new coaches.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think it's definitely more on Klein to board Alabama
than at Michigan because you knew Michigan was going to
lose so much to the draft. But I will say,
like Sharon Moore's first year, it's kind of a nice
spot to be in where everybody thinks Oregon and Ohio
State are gonna rule the Big ten. Charon Mooreri's got
three first round guys on his d defense, and Will
Johnson and Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant, and you bring
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Donald and Edwards back. You've got Colson lovel and really
get tight end. I don't worry about their offensive line
with Rowan wore there, so like that's a good place
to be kind of sneaky. Hey, you're good and you
still might make the playoff. Alabama, it's Nick Saban retired.
Your job, Kaalen de Bor is to come in and
be just as good as Nick Saban. No pressure, now,
I will say, since Kaylen de Bor got there, he's
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done everything right. It looks like they're going to operate
very similarly. Do they operated, you know, the way they
operated with Nick Saban? But man, it's a ton of pressure,
all right?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. So
no more divisions in the Big ten in the SEC.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And that's because the standings of the college Football playoffs
with the Big Ten in the SEC, So Notre Dame
can't be higher than five at the end of.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
The year, right, that's right? Okay, But well they.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Could be ranked higher, but they're only going to be
the five seed. That's the best they can do.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
So they can be undefeated, but be the fifth seed
in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Correct, correct, And it's there's so much more.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Are they putting on them to join a conference by
doing this?
Speaker 6 (03:11):
I know?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Actually it's the other way around, So they're old ad.
Jack Swarbrick helped design this format and it's basically set
up now where if Notre Dame goes ten to two
in most years, they're gonna make the playoff. And for them,
they're like, you know what, that's good enough for us,
because if you're in a conference, you have to play
a conference championship game. So it's essentially like playing a
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super first round playoff game against maybe an even better
team than you would have played. So Jack Swarbrick, the
old idea at Notre Dame, just wired this thing for
the Irish.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Okay, let's say you win the Big Ten? Are you
the fourth seed? Like, how does it work between the
SEC and the Big Ten? Of if you win the conference?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
If you win the conference, you can be one of
the top four seeds. So like we're assuming we don't know,
because like the ACC could have a great champ who's undefeated,
but more than likely your SEC or your Big Ten
champ that's one and two. Then the three and four
seeds also have to be conference champs. So like, let's
say Florida State wins the ACC and they're your three seed.
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Well what if I don't know, Kansas State or Utah
wins the Big Twelve, but they're like the eleventh best
team in the country, doesn't matter, they're the four seed.
Welcome to college football in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
See, that's why I'm having you on because I know
we don't have college football for three weeks, so I
almost need three weeks as the primer to get ready
for this madness.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Dan. It's gonna slap everybody in the face, especially like
those of us who are not the complete sickos like
me who just lived this three hundred and sixty five
days a year. The folks who have been watching the
Olympics and are they're like, okay, canoe Slalom's over, let's
check out college football. You're gonna be like, what the
hell is this?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Why your's schedule is gonna mattle matter more? In the SEC, well,
all conferences here, but.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Those the Yeah, the divisions are gone. So what you're
used to where like Georgia, when's the SEC East every year?
Well there is no SEC East now, So Georgia, you know,
maybe the best program in the SEC the last few years,
got the unlucky draw. They've got to go to Alabama,
to Texas and two Ole Miss which is just brutal Texas. Meanwhile,
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first year in the SEC, you think, okay, let's haze
the right. Nope, Nope, they got a pretty easy draw. Meanwhile, Oklahoma,
the other new guy in the SEC, their schedule just sucks.
Like Tennessee comes to them, they have to go to
Auburn the following week. Their last two weeks of the
season are Alabama comes to them and then they go.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
To LSU ouch.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Last year, a Heisman race came down to guys who transferred,
so Jaden Daniels, Michael Pennix Junior and bow Nick. So
we're looking at same scenario this season.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
We could see some guys who were transfers last year
who are you know, had that second year bump, like
Shador Sanders at Collegado. You know, remember he was Jackson
State the year before. They're changing offenses. They're hopeful that
through the transfer portal they've improved that offensive line they got.
They give it fifty six sacks last year, so if
that happens again, Schador is not going to be the
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Heisman race, but there's a good chance they get better.
You're going to see his numbers improve. But you've also
got speaking of transfers, Riley Leonard, the new quarterback at
Notre Dame, Dylan Gabriel coming from Oklahoma to go to Oregon. Like,
there's a bunch of guys in new places who could
put up some big, big numbers.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
The over under for Colorado I think is five and
a half mh. I would have thought it would have
been higher that Dion got humbled last year, that he
would have loaded up.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Why weren't they able to load up the way?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Maybe I don't doesn't just come down to the money
that they're that they have to spend.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I think that's part of it. I also think he
recruits a little bit differently. He's very transfer portal oriented.
The best teams in college football still build their found
days through high school recruiting. They get the best players
out of high school. That's what Georgia does, Ohio State does,
and then they supplement through the portal. Dion's gone almost
completely through the portal. He doesn't do in home visits,
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he doesn't do in school visits for the high school guys,
so it's a little bit different. Also, they don't have
the kind of money that a Georgia or in Ohio
state has. Now, I do think they're going to be
better than last year, but better than last year might
mean six and six and they make a Bowl game,
not nine and three and they win the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I'm also wondering about this where we are with money,
because I said this a while ago that what's going
to stop a billionaire from just saying I want my
alma mater to be competitive. Here's twenty five million dollars. Like,
who's doing that? SMU, Well, that would be fun. They're trying.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
They are trying because SMU has actually gotten a little
bit back in the game.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Phil Knight and Nike, well it's more Phil Knight because
he's not running Nike anymore. But Phil Knight and Oregon
probably the closest thing to that. They have become a
much better recruiting program than they always were. But that
doesn't mean they're getting everybody they want. Like the other day,
there was a guy that everybody thought was going to
go to Oregon. He picked LSU. So there are other
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rich people who like different schools, and there's still competition
for this sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But is there a big separated at Ohio State reportedly
spending twenty million dollars? Mm hmm, what's Georgia's spending? What's
what's well Oregon? What's the what's that check?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Ohio State and Oregon are in very similar spheres here,
Alabama and Georgia the same thing. They're very competitive. It's
like any other market. It's like it's like the market
for our jobs, Dan, Like the companies that employ us
know what people who do what we do make, and
so they're going to come in with competitive offers, but
they're not going to come in with stupid offers.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Okay, but what's the going rate for a quarterback? Well,
this year, a great quarterback or potentially.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
A potentially good court great, we're actually stretching if we
say great, but a potentially good quarterback in the transfer
portal this year was one point five million dollars per year. Okay,
what's the I will I will point out though, Dan,
the franchise tag for a good safety the NFL's fourteen million. Uh.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
What's the second highest price tag per position?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
It's either offensive tackle or defensive tackle. Because those are
just the rarest of humans that those humans don't just
walk around among us. When you find one, you make
sure you pay and keep them.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Who has the rights to UT in the SCC Tennis, Ye, yes.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
We've decided it's Tennessee that they were grandfathered in. During
SEC media days when we saw the abbreviations, we saw uh,
Tennessee was UT and Texas was tex which I think
that's fair. Tennessee's I believe a charter member the con
friends in Texas is the new guy, so they should
get hazed a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Oh boy, I think Texas is gonna if they're upset
about horns down. They got to be upset about UT.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Horns down, by the way, not gonna be helped by
the SEC. They're like, we don't care. Their director officials
is like, don't care. Horns down them all you want.
Texas will get over it. I think they'll be okay.
They're they're they're pretty good at football right now at Texas,
so I think they're okay with with whatever you want
to throw at them, as long as when you were
just throwing touchdown passage.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Is Lincoln Riley possibly on the hot seat at USC.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I don't think he's on the hot seat, damn, because
he got this massive contract. I do think he's got
to get things turned around. Like their defense has got
to get better. He hired Danton Lynn from UCLA to
make that defense better. And I've said this for years,
you know, going back to Oklahoma, Like it's also a
global holistic thing with Lincoln Riley, like you have to
practice in a way that allows your defense to be physical,
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the laws, your offensive line to be physical well, the
way Georgia practice, the way Michigan practices, and that's not
been USC recently. I asked Lincoln Riley about that last
week and he said, you know, he and Dan Lynn
got together and said, here, we're going to make sure
we have what we need, but we're going to see it.
Like they play LSU Week one, we'll see if they
have done that.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Is college football looking at the NFL with their kickoff rule,
could we see maybe them adopting this.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I would suspect if the NFL feels good about it,
if they like what they see that, I think you'll
see college football do it too. Because you know, you
go back Greg Ciano had a player when the first
time around at Rutgers. He had a player who was
paralyzed on a kickoff coverage team and said, we got
to get this play out of the game because it's dangerous.
And if you look at the way the kickoff had
gone in college football, they hardly ever get returned anymore.
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So the way the NFL is going to do it
is probably going to generate more returns, probably generate a
more exciting play. If that works, Yeah, I would imagine
college football.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Trust copy. It great to talk to you. We're thinking
about going to Ohio State Oregon.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Oh, oh man. Have you been to a game at
Austin yet?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
It's so good. You will wonder how sixty thousand people
can possibly be that loud because they sound like one
hundred thousand and it's only sixty thousand.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Is there a quiet big stadium though?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Andy the Big House, And it's like they added a
new bank of suites that has helped keep the sound in.
But the way the Big House is built, so one
hundreds and thousand seats, it's the biggest stadium in the world,
but the architecture just makes it where it's.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Not that loud.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Meanwhile, again, across the country, you've got sixty thousand seed
autsin like blowing your ears out.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
But those stadiums go up, Michigan goes down.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Like if you go see the Seahawks play that, that's
like you're going to a premier league.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
I mean it is Wow.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I live in Gainesville, Florida, where you know the swamp
is straight up and down. I've had to run this
steps there. It is brutal, but it is very vertical.
And the sound holes and as that people forget, like
everything my stadiums allows a lot of it is what
the architects had to do in nineteen thirty when they
built it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I think I know more than I did before. You'll
hadjoh Andy. So I'm ready to go and we'll talk
to you during the season.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Appreciate Daan. Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (14:07):
Tony Dungey, Hall of Famer, Football Night in America analyst
kind enough to join us here.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Let me start first of all, Good morning.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Hey, Dan, good morning.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Do you understand the new kickoff rule?
Speaker 6 (14:19):
I really don't. And you're taking it from a guy
who kicked off to Devin Hester, So we have to
start with that, Okay, Sion.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And I was going to ask you about that with
Devin Hester. How much credit do you take for Devin
Hester going into the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Tone, I'm going to congratulate him, and I'm going to
expect to get a little pat on the back because
kicking off to him in the Super Bowl where he
could do something nobody else in the history of football
has done. I think that helped him a little bit.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
But you said all week long, you weren't kicking off
to Devin Hester.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
For two weeks, Dan, we practiced it and we had
ad him kicking the balls everywhere. We're punning out of bounds.
We're not gonna let this guy touched the ball. And
then the Friday before the game, our chaplain talks about
David and Goliath, and I start thinking, am I afraid?
Am I afraid of? Like the Israelites were of? No,
We're gonna kick right to Devin Hester, just like David did.
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I asked the chaplain after the game, what was I thinking?
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Have you talked to Devin Hester about?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Then?
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Just in passing and tran joking, that's.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Exactly what he was doing on the football field that night,
just passing.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
You got him a gold jacket on this.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
But the kickoff, I'm not quite sure what it is,
but I am interested to watch it tonight. I'm just
not sure exactly what the strategies are going to be.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
Yeah, I don't know either, But I do know this
as a former coach, I would look at this in
the preseason and say, you know, what are my chances
of kicking off and stopping them inside the thirty yard?
I don't think it's very good from what I can tell,
So why would I take the chance on giving a
Devin Hester or Cordderial Pattison a chance in the open
field to go work. I think you're going to see
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a lot more touchbacks than people think.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, but they're trying to encourage kind of some activity here.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Yes, yes, I think they need to move that starting
point if it is a touchback, maybe the thirty five,
thirty eight yard line, something like that. Encourage me to
try to make the play. If I got a dangerous
kick returner, I'm going to say, you know what, thirty
yard line is okay to me started the third day,
I'll trust my defense, and I just think when you
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get into crucial situations, you're going to see a lot
of touchbacks.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
When did it change putting in your starters in the
preseason that you don't.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
I'm not now.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Maybe I'm in the minority tune, but I would have
Caleb Williams play just a little bit, just just to
go out there as the starter and get ready for
that feeling tonight.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Dan I made the team in Dallas or in Pittsburgh,
We're playing against the Dallas Cowboys the final preseason game.
Roger Staubuck is in at the end of the game,
throwing his fifty eighth pass to win the game. In
the last preseason game we walked in, I'm disappointed. Oh
we lost to the Cowboys. And you know that's how
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it was. You played and you map things out. When
I was a coach, Hey, our starters are going to
play X amount of plays. Some guys need a little
bit more. The first year guys, second year guys, maybe
they're going to play a little more, but you map
it out. I think this salary cap and boy, if
I get someone hurt, and what are we going to do?
We can't replace them. I don't think you can coach
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in fear though, And I know my guys wanted to
play some and get ready to go and get ready
for the action, and I just I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
But you know what happens Tony, and this is going
to happen again in September. We're going to see sloppy
play and then you're going to have the media say, hey.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Why should sloppy playing.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Coaches will say, well, you know that we didn't have
we didn't play in preseason like Belichick and Brady always
use September as their preseason. There's nobody else like Belichick
and Brady in NFL history. So the other teams. I
don't know why they don't use this as let's get
ready for the regular season, not we'll get ready during
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the regular season.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
I think Mike Tomlins said it best. You really can't
try to go win a heavyweight championship and never spar
just saddlebox the whole time. You better punch against somebody
and get yourself ready. Now, how much is that and
how much do guys need? Everybody is different, but I
know the good players that I've had in the past.
If I told Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison they were
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not going to play in the preseason, there would be
a revolt. No, we have to practice our craft. We
have to get ready now. We don't need to play
every play, we don't need to be in the fourth quarter,
but we need to get some live accent.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
What would be a successful season for Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
I think to come in and lead the team well
and show that he has you know, that franchise quarterback potential.
I wouldn't put a figure on wins or what a CJ.
Stroud messed everything up because now we expect everybody to
do that. That was so rare and unbelievable keep in mind,
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you know, Peyton Manning was three and thirteen instead a
rookie record for interceptions his rookie year, So it doesn't
mean you have to go out there and light things
up now. I do think it's a little easier for
the quarterbacks now because the offense can be so much
ahead of the defense. They can get work done. There's
so much you can do and walk through. His defense
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can't get their feet on the ground until they, you know,
have some live action and so forth. So I think
it's a little easier now. But let's just have him
go out there and play well, and let's not throw
in the towel if he's six and eleven.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Okay, but could you tell what Peyton had to offer
going three and thirteen and setting the rookie record for interspes.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Absolutely, you can see it. You can see when quarterbacks learn.
Trevor Lawrence I thought was going to be very, very good,
even though it wasn't a superb rookie year. But you
see the control and you see after the games, you
don't see the down head down. Oh we didn't win.
I threw two interceptions. I didn't get the job done.
It was hey, I learned out there and I'm going
to be better for this, and I still have the
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competence of my teammates.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
E's Tony Dungee Hall of Famer Football Night in America analyst.
The in game interviews with head coaches, I don't know
enough about it. I don't like it because I can't
imagine you guys are going to say anything or want
to say anything.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Oh, that's the problem. I had a good conversation with
Fred Goadelli from NBC yesterday and he talked about what
they're trying to do and talked about having some of
these interviews in between the quarters, you know, before the
game starts, those counts. I'm all for that. I was
probably one of the most media friendly guys. And if
you let me determine when we're gonna do it, and hey,
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I'll do it as I'm walking into the locker room
at halftime. But if you come up to me and
say you have to do an interview in the middle
of the third quarter when the game's going on, you
know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be the worst
interview you can have, so you'll never ask me again
because I don't want to do that. I don't want
to say anything, and I don't want to mess up
my train of thought in the course of a game.
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So that's what I'm concerned about.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, but you run the risk of getting fined by
the NFL if you don't cooperate.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Oh, I'll cooperate, but I'm not gonna say anything. And
I'm gonna be as boring as I can be, so
you'll never ask me again.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
All right, let me try it. Let me try it here,
all right.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So I'm gonna throw it down to games tied, fourth
quarter and you got a big series coming up here,
and let's go down to head coach Tony Dungee, Tony,
what kind of defense are you gonna throw it?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Rock? Pretty well, Dan, it's really a critical situation and
we just have to stop them. And we're gonna go
out there and give it our best shot. And you
will see our first eleven guys out there.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Okay, but what's the strategy, coach? What?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Hey? We got we got a press room. We got
a press room, all right, you know? And and I
guess if you work with the coaches and you talk
to them, and when do you want to do this?
And hey, can I do this as we're going into
the locker room or as we're coming out. That's one thing.
And I'm okay, and I'm going to give you everything
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I can.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
But you're not going to give any strategy away Tony. No, Like, hey,
what what.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Are you going uh a second half adjustments?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Coach?
Speaker 5 (22:37):
What are you going to make?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Well, we're going to surprise them with a bomb on
the first play the third quarter.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
No, Dann, We've got to get back to fundamentals. That
we're talking wasn't good, and we talked about tackling better.
We got a rally to the football and you know what,
we got to play with effort.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Of course we got to play.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
But now there are some coaches it'll be good.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You know.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
I see this new group of guys, Mike McDaniel, you know, yeah,
I want to see him and I'll see what happens there.
And if you do it on my terms, yes, But
I don't think you're going to force these guys and
say you have to talk at a certain time. At
six minutes left in the fourth quarter, we're gonna get
you and you got to be good. I just don't
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know how that's going to play out.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Give me the coach who has got a seat that's
a little hotter than everybody else in your opinion.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Well, obviously, Mike McCarthy. You know when when the owner
comes out and says, well, I didn't give you an
extension because we didn't play well in the playoffs last year,
that's a pretty hot seat right there. I think he's
gonna be fine. I think they're going to have a
pretty good team. But you know, to me, everybody's seat
is hot in this NFL the way it is now,
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it's just such an impatient time, and everybody thinks that
their team is right there and they should win. Hopefully
will give these first year guys a chance to get
their feet on the ground.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Good to talk to you is always tone. We'll talk
to you during the season. My best of the family,
all right, Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Always good to be with you.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Tony Dungee Hall of Famer and Football Night in America analysts.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (24:24):
The movie is the Instigators and American heist comedy film
by the director Doug Lyman, who did the Bourne Movies
with him, and once again it'll be on Apple TV
Plus next Friday, August ninth, big time movie star Matt
Damon joining us on the program. You know, I'm watching
the Olympics. They're in Paris, and I keep thinking of
the Bourne identity, all the places that you were going through.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
All the action.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I don't know, do you go back at some of
these cities you're in where you filmed a movie and go, oh, yeah,
I remember that.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah for sure. I drive my kids crazy. I took
them to Paris once and just was pointing everything out
and they were just like shut up.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
They're like, we get it.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
You lived here.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Did you do that in Boston though, when you're shooting
a movie?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah for sure. I mean a lot of that. I mean, well,
I remember with my dad, this is ten years ago.
We went up for his birthday and he walked, we
all walked into Boston Commons and and and we showed
them the bench. They hadn't even seen Goodwill Hunting at
that point, but we sat on the bench and we
took a picture as a family on that bench where
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Robin delivers that amazing monologue.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
But at what point, like all your movies. Kid, your
kids are good to watch all of them.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, if they want to. It's it's you know, I
have one daughter who's very resistant to watching anything she
thinks might be good. So if she hears a movie
isn't that good? She she she watches it and then
gives me a hard time about it. But but yeah,
I don't, I don't. I don't like have movie marathons,
and like.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
You could punish them. Hey, instead of a time out,
you go watch it. Yeah, you're gonna watch.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Round you and make you watch every single one of
my movies.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But isn't The director is Doug who did the Bourne movies.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
He's doing this movie with you and Casey exactly.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, yeah, and he was he was the first guy
we went to because Doug if So he did the
Bourne Identity, but he also did Swingers, Go Mister and
Missus Smith, Edge of Tomorrow, like all of his movies
are are just so kind of tonally interesting and funny
and entertaining and and so that's what this was. This
is a comedy set in Boston, and it's it's it's
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kind of a heightened reality because it's a comedy, but
it but it needs to feel grounded and needed to
be really funny and fun, and so he was the
he was the first choice for it.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So there's gonna be a couple of car chases. I'm
gonna guess if.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Doug's absolutely well, Doug's involved, there has to be a
car chase. But what was fun about this one is
it's like, you know, we did the Jason Bourne car chase,
and that's a care who always knows where he's going.
He is aggressively going at his next best option all
the time. And like in this one, I'm playing a
guy who's never committed a crime. He's never been in
a car chase, and so it was a very different
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type of car chase, which was fun. Which was fun
to do.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Your relationship with Casey Affleck as opposed to Ben held
different on set.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Well, Casey drives me crazy and he always has. Casey's
like my little brother. So when we were growing up,
Casey's five years younger than me, so he was tagging
along all the time when we were young. And then
you know, when he graduated high school, he came out
and lived with us and we were all struggling actors together,
and we've kind of been through all these phases, and
now for the last whatever thirty years or so, we've
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both been adults. And so that's so our relationship. The
nature of our relationship definitely changed over those three decades.
But he's incredibly incredibly tenacious and picky and uh opinionated,
and so it makes But because we've known each other
for so long, we have a shorthand. So it's it's
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nice you don't spend any time on diplomacy, on being
overly kind to somebody. You just kind of solved the
problems a little quicker and and uh and that and
that's that's great.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
But see playing himself in Goodwill Hunting.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
No, not at all, he's playing he's playing a kind
of a heightened version of of what we wrote in
Goodwill Hunting. He's like kind of over the top and
and uh no he's not. He's not annoying in that
way at all.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Instigators Apple TV Plus this Friday, August second, talking to
Matt Damon. Are you guys doing the uh Fritz Peterson
Mike Kekach wife swapping Yankee movie.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
No, they had a script for that like ten years ago.
That I that was that was pretty good and a
couple actors circled it and then it never It never
took off. But it's actually a good question. I wonder
if we could revive it. It was a it was
actually a really uh well written script, So I don't know.
It just never it never gained enough momentum to get
it made.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
God, but it's so crazy, like that'd be something you'd
make up, and then if you said it's true, people'd
be like, no, that's not Wait. These teammates swapped wives
and got no.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
No, it's a totally crazy story. It literally almost we
almost got a green light, I think twice with two
different casts. I think Casey was looking at one of
the roles for a while. I think chan Channing Tatum
was looking at one of the roles for it like
it was. It almost happened, and then kind of faded.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Where were you when the Celtics won the title?
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Man?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Where was I when the Celtics won the title? That's
an excellent question. I was in my I was, Yeah,
I was in my house, jumping up and down kind of.
I At times I get like, I'm I want to
go to these events and I want to go to
these games. I did go in twenty eighteen to the
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Dodgers Red Sox to game to the final games, game six,
as it turned out to be the final game. But
more often than not, I like watching at home. I
feel safer at home. I feel like I feel like
I'm not going to jinx the team in any way
if I'm just on my cap now.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
But you're surrounded by women, so is anybody sharing in
this glory with you?
Speaker 4 (30:16):
They get into it. For me, I feel like a
lot of the time, you know, they they they let me,
they kind of give me my space to kind of
cheer on the Boston teams. And they know and they've
been to Boston enough to understand that we're not normal
up there, so they you know, they they they're very
tolerant of me.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
But do you have friends in the neighborhood, like guys
who could come over and like, I'm worried that you're
just alone in your man cave cheering.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Sometimes I am. I mean in the Brady days, when
the kids were young, I would, you know, we were
living in la and I would wake up, you know
that a lot of those games were ten am, and
I'd you know, make breakfast and you know, get the
kids situated and it's like, let's not talk to dad
till one.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
You did the Rugby movie in Victors, do you know
all the rules?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Because we were watching yesterday the women they got the bronze,
but are you.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Yeah, and they beat Australia, which is incredible.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Yes, but are you aware of all the rules right now?
With rugby?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
No? No, absolutely not. And even when I did the movie,
as many times they tried to explain it to me.
You know, it's basically a field position game. But but
I but I couldn't. I couldn't quite master it. And
even and normally, you know, you kind of do a
lot of the stunts or the tackles or things like that.
We realized really quickly with rugby there was no way
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to guarantee, you know, anybody's because you go into one
of those scrums or you could and everyone's getting their
faces cleated, and you know, and if that happens to me,
obviously the movie shuts down for two weeks. So pretty
quickly Clint Eastwood was like, all right, your stunt man's
going to do everything. We're going to put you in
for the close up. So then I really didn't know
anything about rugby.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
But that's just jacked as you'd probably have been for
a role, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, I probably, I probably was fifteen pounds heavier than
I am now like I but it was a specific
type of work and to get that nineteen ninety four
Rugby body.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Yeah yeah, but it's gone, that's long gone. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Well it's tough to hold on to that. You gotta eat. Yeah,
it's a lot of chicken you gotta eat to keep that,
to keep that extra muscle on.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
All right, so explain, you know, what's the plot for
The Instigators?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
All right?
Speaker 4 (32:20):
So The Instigators is a movie. It's like, you know,
Casey and I did Ocean's Eleven together, Like these two
guys could never make it on that that crew. Like
this is like the worst heist team you've ever seen.
My character's never committed a crime before, but he's kind
of forced into this heist because he needs money, and
Casey's characters are kind of a career criminal who's just
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not very good at it. And so we try to
pull off a heist and it goes about as well
as you might imagine, and then we have to go
on the run and we end up enlistening the help
of my psychiatrist to go on the run with us.
So that's basically the plot. It's a comedy, it moves
very fast, and hopefully it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Great to talk to you again. I always have to
ask any other Born movies.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I mean, I heard that that they have a script
that they're happy with, and you know, if that's the case,
then I'll get it, hopefully in the next month or so.
And I'm always open to it. I mean, I really,
I am desperate for somebody to come up with a
good idea. I love the character. Obviously it changed the
trajectory in my career. So I'm very grateful for the character,
and I'd love to do it again.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I say this on the show all the time. I
don't care where it is in the movie. If I'm clipping,
you know, flipping through, I don't care which one I
stop and I watch it and I've watched it many
many times, so I'd love to get one more. Maybe
you're your semi retired or you know, you're you're on
a cruise ship or something.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Literally, there are eight studio executives from Universal sitting forward
in their chairs right now waiting for.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
You to finish.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
That thought, if you can figure out a good way
to do it, damn, we're doing.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
It, Okay, Damn, that'd be great, right, Great to talk
to you, Good luck with the movie, Thanks for joining.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Us, Thanks man, thanks for having me. Good to see
you all right.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
The Instigators that'll be coming out in select theaters tomorrow.
And I saw the trailer with Casey a flak obviously
some car scenes chases be fun. And then Apple TV
Plus next Friday, August Night,
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We make way for the man who makes us smarter.
When it comes to college football. One of our favorites,
Andy Staples, covers college football for on three Sports. Let's
start with Michigan here because it feels like there's a
report about a report about a potential report that Michigan
could be facing a postseason ban one or two seasons.
(00:25):
Where do we stand with this and what exactly are
the allegations that could be pending.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well, so that's from Chris Ballast at our Michigan site,
the Wolverine and on three And basically this is the
Connor Stallions case. This is the advanced scouting was Connor
Stallions and then his network of spies going around and
videoing people's signals so that he could then relay them
to Michigan coaches. Which advanced scouting is against the rules
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in college football. It was banned in the nineties as
a cost cutting measure. Basically one of those if Toledo
can't do it, Michigan can't do it. And so they
get caught doing that last year. That's tacked onto some
other stuff that they'd already been working on with Jim Harball,
which involved basically him getting a cheeseburger for some guys
that were already committed to Michigan that wanted to come
(01:13):
in and look at the campus during COVID. But all
of that is now getting mashed together and we're waiting
to see what happens, and it could take a long time.
And basically what Chris reported is that they're talking about
potentially going after a postseason ban. But it's such a
preliminary stage here, like this is going to take months,
two years to get resolved. Michigan's gonna fight, like hell.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
The most pressure is it in Alabama or in Michigan
With these new coaches.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think it's definitely more on Klein to board Alabama
than at Michigan because you knew Michigan was going to
lose so much to the draft. But I will say,
like Sharon Moore's first year, it's kind of a nice
spot to be in where everybody thinks Oregon and Ohio
State are gonna rule the Big ten. Charon Mooreri's got
three first round guys on his d defense, and Will
Johnson and Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant, and you bring
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Donald and Edwards back. You've got Colson lovel and really
get tight end. I don't worry about their offensive line
with Rowan wore there, so like that's a good place
to be kind of sneaky. Hey, you're good and you
still might make the playoff. Alabama, it's Nick Saban retired.
Your job, Kaalen de Bor is to come in and
be just as good as Nick Saban. No pressure, now,
I will say, since Kaylen de Bor got there, he's
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done everything right. It looks like they're going to operate
very similarly. Do they operated, you know, the way they
operated with Nick Saban? But man, it's a ton of pressure,
all right?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. So
no more divisions in the Big ten in the SEC.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And that's because the standings of the college Football playoffs
with the Big Ten in the SEC, So Notre Dame
can't be higher than five at the end of.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
The year, right, that's right? Okay, But well they.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Could be ranked higher, but they're only going to be
the five seed. That's the best they can do.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
So they can be undefeated, but be the fifth seed
in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Correct, correct, And it's there's so much more.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Are they putting on them to join a conference by
doing this?
Speaker 6 (03:11):
I know?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Actually it's the other way around, So they're old ad.
Jack Swarbrick helped design this format and it's basically set
up now where if Notre Dame goes ten to two
in most years, they're gonna make the playoff. And for them,
they're like, you know what, that's good enough for us,
because if you're in a conference, you have to play
a conference championship game. So it's essentially like playing a
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super first round playoff game against maybe an even better
team than you would have played. So Jack Swarbrick, the
old idea at Notre Dame, just wired this thing for
the Irish.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Okay, let's say you win the Big Ten? Are you
the fourth seed? Like, how does it work between the
SEC and the Big Ten? Of if you win the conference?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
If you win the conference, you can be one of
the top four seeds. So like we're assuming we don't know,
because like the ACC could have a great champ who's undefeated,
but more than likely your SEC or your Big Ten
champ that's one and two. Then the three and four
seeds also have to be conference champs. So like, let's
say Florida State wins the ACC and they're your three seed.
(04:15):
Well what if I don't know, Kansas State or Utah
wins the Big Twelve, but they're like the eleventh best
team in the country, doesn't matter, they're the four seed.
Welcome to college football in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
See, that's why I'm having you on because I know
we don't have college football for three weeks, so I
almost need three weeks as the primer to get ready
for this madness.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Dan. It's gonna slap everybody in the face, especially like
those of us who are not the complete sickos like
me who just lived this three hundred and sixty five
days a year. The folks who have been watching the
Olympics and are they're like, okay, canoe Slalom's over, let's
check out college football. You're gonna be like, what the
hell is this?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Why your's schedule is gonna mattle matter more? In the SEC, well,
all conferences here, but.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Those the Yeah, the divisions are gone. So what you're
used to where like Georgia, when's the SEC East every year?
Well there is no SEC East now, So Georgia, you know,
maybe the best program in the SEC the last few years,
got the unlucky draw. They've got to go to Alabama,
to Texas and two Ole Miss which is just brutal Texas. Meanwhile,
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first year in the SEC, you think, okay, let's haze
the right. Nope, Nope, they got a pretty easy draw. Meanwhile, Oklahoma,
the other new guy in the SEC, their schedule just sucks.
Like Tennessee comes to them, they have to go to
Auburn the following week. Their last two weeks of the
season are Alabama comes to them and then they go.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
To LSU ouch.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Last year, a Heisman race came down to guys who transferred,
so Jaden Daniels, Michael Pennix Junior and bow Nick. So
we're looking at same scenario this season.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
We could see some guys who were transfers last year
who are you know, had that second year bump, like
Shador Sanders at Collegado. You know, remember he was Jackson
State the year before. They're changing offenses. They're hopeful that
through the transfer portal they've improved that offensive line they got.
They give it fifty six sacks last year, so if
that happens again, Schador is not going to be the
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Heisman race, but there's a good chance they get better.
You're going to see his numbers improve. But you've also
got speaking of transfers, Riley Leonard, the new quarterback at
Notre Dame, Dylan Gabriel coming from Oklahoma to go to Oregon. Like,
there's a bunch of guys in new places who could
put up some big, big numbers.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
The over under for Colorado I think is five and
a half mh. I would have thought it would have
been higher that Dion got humbled last year, that he
would have loaded up.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Why weren't they able to load up the way?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Maybe I don't doesn't just come down to the money
that they're that they have to spend.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I think that's part of it. I also think he
recruits a little bit differently. He's very transfer portal oriented.
The best teams in college football still build their found
days through high school recruiting. They get the best players
out of high school. That's what Georgia does, Ohio State does,
and then they supplement through the portal. Dion's gone almost
completely through the portal. He doesn't do in home visits,
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he doesn't do in school visits for the high school guys,
so it's a little bit different. Also, they don't have
the kind of money that a Georgia or in Ohio
state has. Now, I do think they're going to be
better than last year, but better than last year might
mean six and six and they make a Bowl game,
not nine and three and they win the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I'm also wondering about this where we are with money,
because I said this a while ago that what's going
to stop a billionaire from just saying I want my
alma mater to be competitive. Here's twenty five million dollars. Like,
who's doing that? SMU, Well, that would be fun. They're trying.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
They are trying because SMU has actually gotten a little
bit back in the game.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Phil Knight and Nike, well it's more Phil Knight because
he's not running Nike anymore. But Phil Knight and Oregon
probably the closest thing to that. They have become a
much better recruiting program than they always were. But that
doesn't mean they're getting everybody they want. Like the other day,
there was a guy that everybody thought was going to
go to Oregon. He picked LSU. So there are other
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rich people who like different schools, and there's still competition
for this sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But is there a big separated at Ohio State reportedly
spending twenty million dollars? Mm hmm, what's Georgia's spending? What's
what's well Oregon? What's the what's that check?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Ohio State and Oregon are in very similar spheres here,
Alabama and Georgia the same thing. They're very competitive. It's
like any other market. It's like it's like the market
for our jobs, Dan, Like the companies that employ us
know what people who do what we do make, and
so they're going to come in with competitive offers, but
they're not going to come in with stupid offers.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Okay, but what's the going rate for a quarterback? Well,
this year, a great quarterback or potentially.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
A potentially good court great, we're actually stretching if we
say great, but a potentially good quarterback in the transfer
portal this year was one point five million dollars per year. Okay,
what's the I will I will point out though, Dan,
the franchise tag for a good safety the NFL's fourteen million. Uh.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
What's the second highest price tag per position?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
It's either offensive tackle or defensive tackle. Because those are
just the rarest of humans that those humans don't just
walk around among us. When you find one, you make
sure you pay and keep them.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Who has the rights to UT in the SCC Tennis, Ye, yes.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
We've decided it's Tennessee that they were grandfathered in. During
SEC media days when we saw the abbreviations, we saw uh,
Tennessee was UT and Texas was tex which I think
that's fair. Tennessee's I believe a charter member the con
friends in Texas is the new guy, so they should
get hazed a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Oh boy, I think Texas is gonna if they're upset
about horns down. They got to be upset about UT.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Horns down, by the way, not gonna be helped by
the SEC. They're like, we don't care. Their director officials
is like, don't care. Horns down them all you want.
Texas will get over it. I think they'll be okay.
They're they're they're pretty good at football right now at Texas,
so I think they're okay with with whatever you want
to throw at them, as long as when you were
just throwing touchdown passage.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Is Lincoln Riley possibly on the hot seat at USC.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I don't think he's on the hot seat, damn, because
he got this massive contract. I do think he's got
to get things turned around. Like their defense has got
to get better. He hired Danton Lynn from UCLA to
make that defense better. And I've said this for years,
you know, going back to Oklahoma, Like it's also a
global holistic thing with Lincoln Riley, like you have to
practice in a way that allows your defense to be physical,
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the laws, your offensive line to be physical well, the
way Georgia practice, the way Michigan practices, and that's not
been USC recently. I asked Lincoln Riley about that last
week and he said, you know, he and Dan Lynn
got together and said, here, we're going to make sure
we have what we need, but we're going to see it.
Like they play LSU Week one, we'll see if they
have done that.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Is college football looking at the NFL with their kickoff rule,
could we see maybe them adopting this.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I would suspect if the NFL feels good about it,
if they like what they see that, I think you'll
see college football do it too. Because you know, you
go back Greg Ciano had a player when the first
time around at Rutgers. He had a player who was
paralyzed on a kickoff coverage team and said, we got
to get this play out of the game because it's dangerous.
And if you look at the way the kickoff had
gone in college football, they hardly ever get returned anymore.
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So the way the NFL is going to do it
is probably going to generate more returns, probably generate a
more exciting play. If that works, Yeah, I would imagine
college football.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Trust copy. It great to talk to you. We're thinking
about going to Ohio State Oregon.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Oh, oh man. Have you been to a game at
Austin yet?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
It's so good. You will wonder how sixty thousand people
can possibly be that loud because they sound like one
hundred thousand and it's only sixty thousand.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Is there a quiet big stadium though?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Andy the Big House, And it's like they added a
new bank of suites that has helped keep the sound in.
But the way the Big House is built, so one
hundreds and thousand seats, it's the biggest stadium in the world,
but the architecture just makes it where it's.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Not that loud.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Meanwhile, again, across the country, you've got sixty thousand seed
autsin like blowing your ears out.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
But those stadiums go up, Michigan goes down.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Like if you go see the Seahawks play that, that's
like you're going to a premier league.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
I mean it is Wow.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I live in Gainesville, Florida, where you know the swamp
is straight up and down. I've had to run this
steps there. It is brutal, but it is very vertical.
And the sound holes and as that people forget, like
everything my stadiums allows a lot of it is what
the architects had to do in nineteen thirty when they
built it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I think I know more than I did before. You'll
hadjoh Andy. So I'm ready to go and we'll talk
to you during the season.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
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Speaker 2 (13:22):
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Speaker 7 (13:38):
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Speaker 2 (14:07):
Tony Dungey, Hall of Famer, Football Night in America analyst
kind enough to join us here.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Let me start first of all, Good morning.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Hey, Dan, good morning.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Do you understand the new kickoff rule?
Speaker 6 (14:19):
I really don't. And you're taking it from a guy
who kicked off to Devin Hester, So we have to
start with that, Okay, Sion.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And I was going to ask you about that with
Devin Hester. How much credit do you take for Devin
Hester going into the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Tone, I'm going to congratulate him, and I'm going to
expect to get a little pat on the back because
kicking off to him in the Super Bowl where he
could do something nobody else in the history of football
has done. I think that helped him a little bit.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
But you said all week long, you weren't kicking off
to Devin Hester.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
For two weeks, Dan, we practiced it and we had
ad him kicking the balls everywhere. We're punning out of bounds.
We're not gonna let this guy touched the ball. And
then the Friday before the game, our chaplain talks about
David and Goliath, and I start thinking, am I afraid?
Am I afraid of? Like the Israelites were of? No,
We're gonna kick right to Devin Hester, just like David did.
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I asked the chaplain after the game, what was I thinking?
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Have you talked to Devin Hester about?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Then?
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Just in passing and tran joking, that's.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Exactly what he was doing on the football field that night,
just passing.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
You got him a gold jacket on this.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
But the kickoff, I'm not quite sure what it is,
but I am interested to watch it tonight. I'm just
not sure exactly what the strategies are going to be.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
Yeah, I don't know either, But I do know this
as a former coach, I would look at this in
the preseason and say, you know, what are my chances
of kicking off and stopping them inside the thirty yard?
I don't think it's very good from what I can tell,
So why would I take the chance on giving a
Devin Hester or Cordderial Pattison a chance in the open
field to go work. I think you're going to see
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a lot more touchbacks than people think.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, but they're trying to encourage kind of some activity here.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Yes, yes, I think they need to move that starting
point if it is a touchback, maybe the thirty five,
thirty eight yard line, something like that. Encourage me to
try to make the play. If I got a dangerous
kick returner, I'm going to say, you know what, thirty
yard line is okay to me started the third day,
I'll trust my defense, and I just think when you
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get into crucial situations, you're going to see a lot
of touchbacks.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
When did it change putting in your starters in the
preseason that you don't.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
I'm not now.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Maybe I'm in the minority tune, but I would have
Caleb Williams play just a little bit, just just to
go out there as the starter and get ready for
that feeling tonight.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Dan I made the team in Dallas or in Pittsburgh,
We're playing against the Dallas Cowboys the final preseason game.
Roger Staubuck is in at the end of the game,
throwing his fifty eighth pass to win the game. In
the last preseason game we walked in, I'm disappointed. Oh
we lost to the Cowboys. And you know that's how
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it was. You played and you map things out. When
I was a coach, Hey, our starters are going to
play X amount of plays. Some guys need a little
bit more. The first year guys, second year guys, maybe
they're going to play a little more, but you map
it out. I think this salary cap and boy, if
I get someone hurt, and what are we going to do?
We can't replace them. I don't think you can coach
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in fear though, And I know my guys wanted to
play some and get ready to go and get ready
for the action, and I just I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
But you know what happens Tony, and this is going
to happen again in September. We're going to see sloppy
play and then you're going to have the media say, hey.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Why should sloppy playing.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Coaches will say, well, you know that we didn't have
we didn't play in preseason like Belichick and Brady always
use September as their preseason. There's nobody else like Belichick
and Brady in NFL history. So the other teams. I
don't know why they don't use this as let's get
ready for the regular season, not we'll get ready during
(18:16):
the regular season.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
I think Mike Tomlins said it best. You really can't
try to go win a heavyweight championship and never spar
just saddlebox the whole time. You better punch against somebody
and get yourself ready. Now, how much is that and
how much do guys need? Everybody is different, but I
know the good players that I've had in the past.
If I told Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison they were
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not going to play in the preseason, there would be
a revolt. No, we have to practice our craft. We
have to get ready now. We don't need to play
every play, we don't need to be in the fourth quarter,
but we need to get some live accent.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
What would be a successful season for Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
I think to come in and lead the team well
and show that he has you know, that franchise quarterback potential.
I wouldn't put a figure on wins or what a CJ.
Stroud messed everything up because now we expect everybody to
do that. That was so rare and unbelievable keep in mind,
(19:18):
you know, Peyton Manning was three and thirteen instead a
rookie record for interceptions his rookie year, So it doesn't
mean you have to go out there and light things
up now. I do think it's a little easier for
the quarterbacks now because the offense can be so much
ahead of the defense. They can get work done. There's
so much you can do and walk through. His defense
(19:38):
can't get their feet on the ground until they, you know,
have some live action and so forth. So I think
it's a little easier now. But let's just have him
go out there and play well, and let's not throw
in the towel if he's six and eleven.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Okay, but could you tell what Peyton had to offer
going three and thirteen and setting the rookie record for interspes.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Absolutely, you can see it. You can see when quarterbacks learn.
Trevor Lawrence I thought was going to be very, very good,
even though it wasn't a superb rookie year. But you
see the control and you see after the games, you
don't see the down head down. Oh we didn't win.
I threw two interceptions. I didn't get the job done.
It was hey, I learned out there and I'm going
to be better for this, and I still have the
(20:24):
competence of my teammates.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
E's Tony Dungee Hall of Famer Football Night in America analyst.
The in game interviews with head coaches, I don't know
enough about it. I don't like it because I can't
imagine you guys are going to say anything or want
to say anything.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Oh, that's the problem. I had a good conversation with
Fred Goadelli from NBC yesterday and he talked about what
they're trying to do and talked about having some of
these interviews in between the quarters, you know, before the
game starts, those counts. I'm all for that. I was
probably one of the most media friendly guys. And if
you let me determine when we're gonna do it, and hey,
(21:03):
I'll do it as I'm walking into the locker room
at halftime. But if you come up to me and
say you have to do an interview in the middle
of the third quarter when the game's going on, you
know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be the worst
interview you can have, so you'll never ask me again
because I don't want to do that. I don't want
to say anything, and I don't want to mess up
my train of thought in the course of a game.
(21:25):
So that's what I'm concerned about.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, but you run the risk of getting fined by
the NFL if you don't cooperate.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Oh, I'll cooperate, but I'm not gonna say anything. And
I'm gonna be as boring as I can be, so
you'll never ask me again.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
All right, let me try it. Let me try it here,
all right.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So I'm gonna throw it down to games tied, fourth
quarter and you got a big series coming up here,
and let's go down to head coach Tony Dungee, Tony,
what kind of defense are you gonna throw it?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Rock? Pretty well, Dan, it's really a critical situation and
we just have to stop them. And we're gonna go
out there and give it our best shot. And you
will see our first eleven guys out there.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Okay, but what's the strategy, coach? What?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Hey? We got we got a press room. We got
a press room, all right, you know? And and I
guess if you work with the coaches and you talk
to them, and when do you want to do this?
And hey, can I do this as we're going into
the locker room or as we're coming out. That's one thing.
And I'm okay, and I'm going to give you everything
(22:29):
I can.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
But you're not going to give any strategy away Tony. No, Like, hey,
what what.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Are you going uh a second half adjustments?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Coach?
Speaker 5 (22:37):
What are you going to make?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Well, we're going to surprise them with a bomb on
the first play the third quarter.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
No, Dann, We've got to get back to fundamentals. That
we're talking wasn't good, and we talked about tackling better.
We got a rally to the football and you know what,
we got to play with effort.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Of course we got to play.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
But now there are some coaches it'll be good.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You know.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
I see this new group of guys, Mike McDaniel, you know, yeah,
I want to see him and I'll see what happens there.
And if you do it on my terms, yes, But
I don't think you're going to force these guys and
say you have to talk at a certain time. At
six minutes left in the fourth quarter, we're gonna get
you and you got to be good. I just don't
(23:24):
know how that's going to play out.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Give me the coach who has got a seat that's
a little hotter than everybody else in your opinion.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Well, obviously, Mike McCarthy. You know when when the owner
comes out and says, well, I didn't give you an
extension because we didn't play well in the playoffs last year,
that's a pretty hot seat right there. I think he's
gonna be fine. I think they're going to have a
pretty good team. But you know, to me, everybody's seat
is hot in this NFL the way it is now,
(23:53):
it's just such an impatient time, and everybody thinks that
their team is right there and they should win. Hopefully
will give these first year guys a chance to get
their feet on the ground.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Good to talk to you is always tone. We'll talk
to you during the season. My best of the family,
all right, Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Always good to be with you.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Tony Dungee Hall of Famer and Football Night in America analysts.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (24:24):
The movie is the Instigators and American heist comedy film
by the director Doug Lyman, who did the Bourne Movies
with him, and once again it'll be on Apple TV
Plus next Friday, August ninth, big time movie star Matt
Damon joining us on the program. You know, I'm watching
the Olympics. They're in Paris, and I keep thinking of
the Bourne identity, all the places that you were going through.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
All the action.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I don't know, do you go back at some of
these cities you're in where you filmed a movie and go, oh, yeah,
I remember that.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah for sure. I drive my kids crazy. I took
them to Paris once and just was pointing everything out
and they were just like shut up.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
They're like, we get it.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
You lived here.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Did you do that in Boston though, when you're shooting
a movie?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah for sure. I mean a lot of that. I mean, well,
I remember with my dad, this is ten years ago.
We went up for his birthday and he walked, we
all walked into Boston Commons and and and we showed
them the bench. They hadn't even seen Goodwill Hunting at
that point, but we sat on the bench and we
took a picture as a family on that bench where
(25:29):
Robin delivers that amazing monologue.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
But at what point, like all your movies. Kid, your
kids are good to watch all of them.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, if they want to. It's it's you know, I
have one daughter who's very resistant to watching anything she
thinks might be good. So if she hears a movie
isn't that good? She she she watches it and then
gives me a hard time about it. But but yeah,
I don't, I don't. I don't like have movie marathons,
and like.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
You could punish them. Hey, instead of a time out,
you go watch it. Yeah, you're gonna watch.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Round you and make you watch every single one of
my movies.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But isn't The director is Doug who did the Bourne movies.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
He's doing this movie with you and Casey exactly.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, yeah, and he was he was the first guy
we went to because Doug if So he did the
Bourne Identity, but he also did Swingers, Go Mister and
Missus Smith, Edge of Tomorrow, like all of his movies
are are just so kind of tonally interesting and funny
and entertaining and and so that's what this was. This
is a comedy set in Boston, and it's it's it's
(26:38):
kind of a heightened reality because it's a comedy, but
it but it needs to feel grounded and needed to
be really funny and fun, and so he was the
he was the first choice for it.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So there's gonna be a couple of car chases. I'm
gonna guess if.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Doug's absolutely well, Doug's involved, there has to be a
car chase. But what was fun about this one is
it's like, you know, we did the Jason Bourne car chase,
and that's a care who always knows where he's going.
He is aggressively going at his next best option all
the time. And like in this one, I'm playing a
guy who's never committed a crime. He's never been in
a car chase, and so it was a very different
(27:11):
type of car chase, which was fun. Which was fun
to do.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Your relationship with Casey Affleck as opposed to Ben held
different on set.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Well, Casey drives me crazy and he always has. Casey's
like my little brother. So when we were growing up,
Casey's five years younger than me, so he was tagging
along all the time when we were young. And then
you know, when he graduated high school, he came out
and lived with us and we were all struggling actors together,
and we've kind of been through all these phases, and
now for the last whatever thirty years or so, we've
(27:46):
both been adults. And so that's so our relationship. The
nature of our relationship definitely changed over those three decades.
But he's incredibly incredibly tenacious and picky and uh opinionated,
and so it makes But because we've known each other
for so long, we have a shorthand. So it's it's
(28:08):
nice you don't spend any time on diplomacy, on being
overly kind to somebody. You just kind of solved the
problems a little quicker and and uh and that and
that's that's great.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
But see playing himself in Goodwill Hunting.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
No, not at all, he's playing he's playing a kind
of a heightened version of of what we wrote in
Goodwill Hunting. He's like kind of over the top and
and uh no he's not. He's not annoying in that
way at all.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Instigators Apple TV Plus this Friday, August second, talking to
Matt Damon. Are you guys doing the uh Fritz Peterson
Mike Kekach wife swapping Yankee movie.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
No, they had a script for that like ten years ago.
That I that was that was pretty good and a
couple actors circled it and then it never It never
took off. But it's actually a good question. I wonder
if we could revive it. It was a it was
actually a really uh well written script, So I don't know.
It just never it never gained enough momentum to get
it made.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
God, but it's so crazy, like that'd be something you'd
make up, and then if you said it's true, people'd
be like, no, that's not Wait. These teammates swapped wives
and got no.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
No, it's a totally crazy story. It literally almost we
almost got a green light, I think twice with two
different casts. I think Casey was looking at one of
the roles for a while. I think chan Channing Tatum
was looking at one of the roles for it like
it was. It almost happened, and then kind of faded.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Where were you when the Celtics won the title?
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Man?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Where was I when the Celtics won the title? That's
an excellent question. I was in my I was, Yeah,
I was in my house, jumping up and down kind of.
I At times I get like, I'm I want to
go to these events and I want to go to
these games. I did go in twenty eighteen to the
(29:57):
Dodgers Red Sox to game to the final games, game six,
as it turned out to be the final game. But
more often than not, I like watching at home. I
feel safer at home. I feel like I feel like
I'm not going to jinx the team in any way
if I'm just on my cap now.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
But you're surrounded by women, so is anybody sharing in
this glory with you?
Speaker 4 (30:16):
They get into it. For me, I feel like a
lot of the time, you know, they they they let me,
they kind of give me my space to kind of
cheer on the Boston teams. And they know and they've
been to Boston enough to understand that we're not normal
up there, so they you know, they they they're very
tolerant of me.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
But do you have friends in the neighborhood, like guys
who could come over and like, I'm worried that you're
just alone in your man cave cheering.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Sometimes I am. I mean in the Brady days, when
the kids were young, I would, you know, we were
living in la and I would wake up, you know
that a lot of those games were ten am, and
I'd you know, make breakfast and you know, get the
kids situated and it's like, let's not talk to dad
till one.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
You did the Rugby movie in Victors, do you know
all the rules?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Because we were watching yesterday the women they got the bronze,
but are you.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Yeah, and they beat Australia, which is incredible.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Yes, but are you aware of all the rules right now?
With rugby?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
No? No, absolutely not. And even when I did the movie,
as many times they tried to explain it to me.
You know, it's basically a field position game. But but
I but I couldn't. I couldn't quite master it. And
even and normally, you know, you kind of do a
lot of the stunts or the tackles or things like that.
We realized really quickly with rugby there was no way
(31:29):
to guarantee, you know, anybody's because you go into one
of those scrums or you could and everyone's getting their
faces cleated, and you know, and if that happens to me,
obviously the movie shuts down for two weeks. So pretty
quickly Clint Eastwood was like, all right, your stunt man's
going to do everything. We're going to put you in
for the close up. So then I really didn't know
anything about rugby.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
But that's just jacked as you'd probably have been for
a role, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, I probably, I probably was fifteen pounds heavier than
I am now like I but it was a specific
type of work and to get that nineteen ninety four
Rugby body.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Yeah yeah, but it's gone, that's long gone. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Well it's tough to hold on to that. You gotta eat. Yeah,
it's a lot of chicken you gotta eat to keep that,
to keep that extra muscle on.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
All right, so explain, you know, what's the plot for
The Instigators?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
All right?
Speaker 4 (32:20):
So The Instigators is a movie. It's like, you know,
Casey and I did Ocean's Eleven together, Like these two
guys could never make it on that that crew. Like
this is like the worst heist team you've ever seen.
My character's never committed a crime before, but he's kind
of forced into this heist because he needs money, and
Casey's characters are kind of a career criminal who's just
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not very good at it. And so we try to
pull off a heist and it goes about as well
as you might imagine, and then we have to go
on the run and we end up enlistening the help
of my psychiatrist to go on the run with us.
So that's basically the plot. It's a comedy, it moves
very fast, and hopefully it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Great to talk to you again. I always have to
ask any other Born movies.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I mean, I heard that that they have a script
that they're happy with, and you know, if that's the case,
then I'll get it, hopefully in the next month or so.
And I'm always open to it. I mean, I really,
I am desperate for somebody to come up with a
good idea. I love the character. Obviously it changed the
trajectory in my career. So I'm very grateful for the character,
and I'd love to do it again.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I say this on the show all the time. I
don't care where it is in the movie. If I'm clipping,
you know, flipping through, I don't care which one I
stop and I watch it and I've watched it many
many times, so I'd love to get one more. Maybe
you're your semi retired or you know, you're you're on
a cruise ship or something.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Literally, there are eight studio executives from Universal sitting forward
in their chairs right now waiting for.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
You to finish.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
That thought, if you can figure out a good way
to do it, damn, we're doing.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
It, Okay, Damn, that'd be great, right, Great to talk
to you, Good luck with the movie, Thanks for joining.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Us, Thanks man, thanks for having me. Good to see
you all right.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
The Instigators that'll be coming out in select theaters tomorrow.
And I saw the trailer with Casey a flak obviously
some car scenes chases be fun. And then Apple TV
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