August 27, 2024 • 49 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP reacts to CeeDee Lamb and the Cowboys finally coming to an agreement on a new contract. NBC Fantasy Football guru Matthew Berry shares some deep sleeper picks for your fantasy drafts. And Jordan Palmers explains why Caleb Williams has major advantages heading into his rookie season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. How did we get here? And where are
we going? Ceedee Lamb got paid. We knew he was
going to get paid. We knew that he would get
paid before the season started. I thought it was a
non story because all of these wide receivers are getting paid.
The question is he's not going to get Justin Jefferson money.
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Is he going to get maybe just a little bit less.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So we're here in the low thirties to maybe mid thirties,
and at what point do we get to forty million
dollars for a wide receiver. I remember talking about TJ.
Watt and how important it was that he was going
to be the first defensive player to get thirty million
dollars in a season. Now, Micah Parsons, who knows what
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he's going to get? And if you're looking at the
most important positions, obviously it's quarterback. And then we could
have a debate on edge rusher or wide receiver. Wide
receivers are getting paid. You still have Jamar Chase who's
out there, and I don't know if Jamar Chase is
going I should be paid more than Justin Jefferson Now,
he's probably going to ask for more than that. I'm
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sure Ceedee Lamb asked for more than that. But you
eventually get around too. This is where you're slotted. And
I remember when AJ Brown signed his deal and I thought,
if I'm Jerry Jones, I say to Ceedee Lamb, I'm
going to give you a little bit more than AJ Brown. Now,
I don't know if Cede Lamb would have said okay,
or his agent would have said it felt like the
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longer this went, the more receivers who were signed, the
more expensive it was going to be for Cede Lamb.
Now you're going to get this conversation today. What does
Cdee Lamb's signing mean for Dak Prescott. I don't think
they're related other than they play for the same team.
I don't think Dak Prescott signs a deal. If I'm
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Dak Prescott, I wouldn't sign a deal because if the
Cowboys don't like at this point, the Cowboys know Dak
is their future or he's not, it's not one of
those no, I don't know, Let's see him play another season.
If I'm Dak Prescott, you probably say I've done everything
I can do, Like I'm playing at a pretty high level.
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I was an MVP. Now you can counter that by saying,
but what do you do in the postseason? And that's fair.
But if he doesn't re sign with the Cowboys or
he goes out to the open market, he's going to
get paid because look at the quarterbacks who are going
to be available. Look at the quarterbacks in this year's draft,
there's nobody where you go got to get him. Now,
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we had a few of them in this draft. But
next year, and at least right now, I don't know.
If somebody goes Quinn, youwers now, you want them on
that rookie deal. But as far as quarterbacks are, I mean,
Kirk Cousins got paid by Atlama and then they drafted
a quarterback. He will find a taker. You know, maybe
it's the Raiders a team like that. But he's going
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to get paid, whether it's with the Cowboys or not.
But the longer they wait, now there's no other quarterbacks
who are going to be signed. You know, before the
start of the season, everybody is all signed up. So
he knows sort of where he's going to get paid.
He knows that sweet spot. And if the Cowboys don't
pay him, somebody else will. But if I'm Dak Prescott,
I have to bet on myself again. And it certainly
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helps that you have Ceedee Lamb there. That'll make it
a whole lot easier if Ceedee Lamb wasn't there. And
if I'm Dak Prescott, I'm like, it'd be nice if
we had him. You knew eventually he was going to
get in camp. Now the question is he going to be.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Ready to go?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
This is where you get those soft tissue injuries where
they're just nagging you know. Is he going to be
able to play? Is he going to be limited first
couple of games there? But Ceedee Lamb got paid. I'm
not surprised. He's a wonderful player and you can make
a case he's the best receiver in football. And with
Dak Prescott as his quarterback as opposed to Sam Darnold,
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with Justin Justin Jefferson, that might be the best combo
platter that we have in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
All right, set, let's polk question that we have today.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Let's see we got one here from Paulie. If you
were betting Chiefs or the field, we.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Don't do the Tiger Woods thing in football very often.
But with the Chiefs, I would say, I'll take the Chiefs.
I think I would take the Chiefs, like I've learned.
It's one of those where you want to deny something
that's so obvious. You're like, I can't like even doing
the show. You're like, if I do the Chiefs, people
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are going, oh wow, I really went out on a limb.
But deep down, you go, they should win. Denver might
be a little bit better, Chargers might be a little
bit better. Raiders are probably going to be the same.
So you might have twelve thirteen wins. Now you're hosting games.
Now the Dolphins have to go to Kansas City where
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Cincinnati has to go there or the raven You know,
remember when Miami went there it didn't go well. So
I'm you got to look at it and go, Okay,
what's my record in my division overall record, and what
do I think is going to happen in other divisions
Here You've got to kind of handicap it that way
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because you want to be at home as for as
many of those, you know, playoff games as possible. Certainly
if you're a team like the Miami Dolphins, where weather
hasn't been their friend. Buffalo is not afraid to go anywhere,
Cincinnati's not afraid to go anywhere, Kansas City's not afraid
to go anywhere. Then you have San Francisco, Philadelphia, Detroit.
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So you know, there's probably seven teams, eight teams right
now that you say could go to a super Bowl.
How many can win a super Bowl? So it's it's
not a long list. I know we're all hopeful. If
you're a fan base with a team like the Titans,
you're like, you know, maybe we could, maybe we could
kind of sneak in there as a wild card team.
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Everybody has hope. That hope is going to dissipate probably
after about a month, and then you're gonna go, Okay,
we kind of know who we are. Like, if I'm
an Atlanta Falcon fan, I'm excited because I have a
good offense, Like I have a really good offense, and
that's a division you could win. But if I'm Tampa,
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I feel pretty good. So there's certain teams that you
go I feel maybe a little bit better. If I'm
a Bears fan, I feel better. I don't know if
they'll make the playoffs. I said they would green Bay.
All right, now, you're not a surprise. You're not gonna
sneak up on anybody. The Texans, You're not going to
sneak up on anybody this year. Somebody's going up and
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somebody's coming down. But that's sort of the beauty of
what the NFL tries to, you know, put forth every
single year. They want parody, they want a surprise team
or two. They want you know, nine and eight, eight, nine,
you know that's they're fine with that. Ten and seven.
Everybody's kind of bunched in there. You're gonna have a
couple of teams that are probably going to have twelve
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thirteen win seasons, and then those are the teams are
going to be hosting playoff games. So I would probably
go Kansas City. I would because I don't think Kansas
City played well last year. I really don't. That game
against the Raiders that was eye opening late in the
season and I went, wow, they are vulnerable. But that
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was a wake up call. Andy Reid talked about that
that they kind of needed that, and then we realized
they're a defensive first team. Imagine having the most valuable
player in the sport, but it's the defense that's more
valuable to that team, or at least it was last
year when they needed it most to win a Super Bowl.
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Mahomes is great. We know that the defense was the
big surprise there. You got Pacheco, you got Kelsey, like
you have enough, and then you're hoping some of these
other receivers, whether it's a rookie receiver, somebody who has
bounced around a little bit, Mahomes will make them better.
But I would say I probably have fewer questions about
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Kansas City. That doesn't mean I'm going to pick them
when I make my Super Bowl pick next week. What
other pole question do you have that's Tod?
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Go ahead, bring on the game.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Now, it's a different era Todd.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Todd does that in the hallway.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
He'll just be walking around and he loves to do
theme songs of TV shows.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
All right, what else do you have here?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
See, well, we're looking at the sort of explosion of
wide receiver contract. Yes, more valuable to your team wide receiver?
Or do we put an edge rusher, defensive end? Okay,
who's more valuable for the Cowboys. Let's just start there
with Michael Parsons CD Lamb. Who's more valuable?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You could have a really good argument there because they're
both impactful.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Ceedee Lamb had crazy numbers last year.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Michael parsons, I don't know what his sack total was,
but if I put sack total and hurries in there,
what kind of numbers does that compare to Max Crosby
or TJ Watt or you throw out whoever. Man feels
like it's the wide receiver, you know now, Like it's
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twenty time when Tyreek Hill got paid and I thought, wow,
you know, I's twenty eight million dollars for a receiver,
and then all of a sudden people started jumping past that.
And then I I was told by somebody with the
affiliated with the Dolphins, They're like, oh, Tyreek's gonna wait
till everybody's done, and then he wants to get paid
more than everybody else. So it feels like there's more
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wide receivers getting paid than edge rushers. You know what,
do we have five edge rushers? Like Vosa's in there?
Who am I missing from the Miles Garrett's in there?
So you got five guys that you think of that
are you know? Well, that guy can turn a game
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around a difference maker. Yes, Marvin is Chris Jones considered
an ed rusher or DT. I just I just look
at him as a football player, like he's Aaron Donald.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
He just he's gonna make plays, and he does make
plays in big, big moments. But I would just call
him a football player. He's sort of that hybrid. What
do you need me to do? And then I end
up doing it nine days until the NFL opener, and
today it's cutdown day. Imagine this scenario. And Ross Tucker
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so eloquently told us about what it's like to be
the biggest name in your hometown. You were the star
of the high school team, you go to college, now
you're in the NFL. And then all of a sudden,
wait a minute, why is Ross Tucker at the Wendy's.
I just saw him. He's at the dry in he
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planned football. So your whole identity for the first time
in your life is just chopped off at the knees.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And he said, you go home.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And everybody asked the same thing, because you can't miss
a big football player when he's in town. Back in town, everybody, Oh,
you knew who I saw today? And Ross talked about
that these guys have been All American, five star, four star,
three star, that everywhere they've gone, and now you go
to the NFL and you're just you're holding on for
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one of those fifty three spots on the roster, and
then all of a sudden, come on in and bring
your playbook, and now you've got to go home, like
you don't even get on the practice squad.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
At least on the practice squad. You're still on the
team technically, but when you're not a professional football player.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
And I'm sure that it's embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Some may find it humiliating that you've been a star
football player. That's your identity until it's not your identity.
And then you go home and you just sit there
and then you hope that somebody's going to give you
a chance, maybe somebody gets injured, maybe you get to
go back. But I just I can't imagine what that
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must feel like, that that's who you are, that's your identity,
and all of a sudden, it's not your identity, and
now you're a former football player.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
Yeah, Marvin, Yeah, I knew a guy that played college
football around my hometown and big Jack running Bag and
he played and he I forgot what team it was,
but he made the last cut and he was selling
insurance now and everyone's like, oh man, you're a big guy,
used to play football. He's like, I try, I believe me.
I may like the last cut a couple of years
in a row.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yes, Todd.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
That's the other thing. What do you do for a
living where you're not constantly running into old high school
friends and people are like what are you? You're working
in the mall or you're working in that selling shoes
or whatever you're doing until you can, you know, re
find some other team that might be interested in you.
You have to go home and you can't just crawl
under the bed. You got to kind of move all
with your life.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, and I think you just work out.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I think you have to keep working out because your
window of opportunity is going to close.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
It's already closing.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And then maybe you get a chance with somebody else,
and then the following you know, summer, you're going to
try out for a team again, and then you may
be faced with reality of I'm not going to play anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
It's a weird thing though, that like we're sort of
talking about because it's like, like, oh, hey, loser, you
only made the What happened? I thought you played for
five years and now you're not there?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
What a loser?
Speaker 9 (14:05):
Like?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Uh no, he made it further than like pretty much
ninety nine percent of anybody, you know. Yeah, well it's
that's something that you need to like hang your head
in shame over.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Well, I think the player does. I don't know if
the reaction from you know, everyday people, but when they
see you, they're probably like, oh god, Lee, Well hopefully
you'll get on a roster again. Everywhere you go. You're
gonna get questions about that. When you go back to
your hometown. Hey, aren't you playing anymore?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
No?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Not this year? Well what happened?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I didn't make that. You don't say you got cut. Ah,
didn't make the fifty three man roster doesn't sound as bad.
Didn't make the fifty three man roster, yes, Marv.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
And the crazy thing about football is it's not like
you can go play overseas. It's not basketball. If you
don't make the Lakers, I can go play in the
G League, or I can go play in.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Europe or Australia or whatever. It's it's just here and maybe.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
The XFL or something like that, but there's no there's
no real options after that.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
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maybe some late round sleepers. That's really when you get
(15:31):
that guy and you go what round did you get him?
And it'd be like next to last, and then all
of a sudden that guy has a breakout season.
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Speaker 2 (17:23):
When it comes to the exact day, the perfect day
to do your draft, is there.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
One the day before the season starts?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (17:32):
I I think it depends on who you're asking, right.
Speaker 11 (17:36):
I think that if you were talking to quote unquote Sharps,
what they would tell you is, you know people that
do do what I do.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
What I for a living.
Speaker 11 (17:44):
We would say, like, we want to do it like
right after the NFL draft, or even before the NFL draft,
because people aren't paying attention and you can get some
really good values, especially if you're doing like best ball
and that kind of stuff. But generally speaking, for ninety
nine percent of the population, do it the night before
the the season starts, Like do it next week? Do
it this upcoming weekend when you have as much information before,
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when we've seen all the preseason games. We know that,
we know the players that are injured, we know who's
holding out. You know, the more information you have, the better.
I mean, think about think about what a draft is
today versus a draft twenty four hours ago.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
On Ceedee Lamb, I was in it.
Speaker 11 (18:21):
I was literally in a draft and the somebody was
up at the fifth pick and they they went between
the between Ceedee Lamb and a' monros Saint Brown and
they chose I'm on Rossaint Brown, And literally twenty minutes later,
the tweet comes out, Oh, Ceedee Lamb, he's back in camp.
He signed this massive deal and had that draft pick happen.
Literally a half hour later, they had a picking Ceedee
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Lamb because Seede Lam's my number two overall player, So
you know what I mean, Like, it's just the more information,
the better.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Christian McCaffrey number one, Yes, not even close.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
I don't know that it's not even close.
Speaker 11 (18:54):
Obviously, there's you know he's got he's got the soft
tissue stuff that makes a little concern. But for me, no, oh,
just because not only is he great, but he is
so much better than everyone else at the position, like
over one hundred points last year, better than everyone else.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Like twelve games of Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 11 (19:12):
And I'm not suggesting that he's not gonna play every game,
but even on a part time basis, christ McCaffrey just
is such a huge value week in week out at
the position.
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Speaker 3 (19:27):
How many sure things are there?
Speaker 11 (19:31):
I mean it's sports, though not very many, right, but
I think that that's what your first round should be.
Your first round should be.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
I always say this.
Speaker 11 (19:39):
You don't want to you don't want to try to
win your league in the first round, but you can
lose it. Like you're in the first round. This is
like this is a superstar. This is somebody that has
a very high floor that you're going to count on.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Week in week out. So hopefully your first round pick
is a sure thing.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Give me some names.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
I mean, I listen at the running back.
Speaker 11 (19:57):
I think there's only three guys right that I feel
really good about this year as quote unquote sure things.
So there's other guys that I like a lot, but
Chris McCaffrey, Breis Hall, Bejon Robinson. I will also say
that I think Derrick Henry and Isaiah Pacheck out have
monster years this year, but I don't know that they're
sure things.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
You didn't include Saquon Barkley. I did not because.
Speaker 11 (20:19):
Because there's two things that that we just don't know
how it's going to play out.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Is saque amazingly talented? Of course he is.
Speaker 11 (20:26):
But now going to the Eagles first off, when they
get in close, they give in to Saquon or is
it just going to be Jalen Hurts. Toushbush, who has
had Jalen Hurts said the most rushing touchdowns in the
NFL over the last two years, right, And yes they've
lost Jason Kelsey, but still like, just how many times
does Jalen Hurts call his own number versus handoff to
Saquon Barkley. So there's concerned about touchdown equity for Bake Barkley.
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And the other thing is, at least traditionally, Hurts has
not been a dump off to the running back kind
of quarterback. He has either been he's thrown it downfield
to he Aj Brown, Devonte Smith, Dallas Goddard, or he's
tucking and running. And so one of the big appeals
of Saquon Barkley as a running back he's he's such
a good pass catcher out of the backfield. And that's
you know, in New York, that's how they used him
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a lot. Now, listen, Philadelphia isn't stupid, and you don't
you don't sign Saquon Barkley that kind of deal to
not use him to his full ability?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
But does does he get.
Speaker 11 (21:17):
The passing volume that we have seen in previous years
in Philadelphia? Like he may be a better NFL running
back for the Eagles than he can be a fantasy option.
Like I still have him like running back six. But
you asked me about sure things, and I think there
are considering how high you have to draft Barkley this year,
I think there are question marks that you could say,
like is he going to have the level of production
(21:39):
that he had.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
In New York, you know, during the glory years.
Speaker 11 (21:42):
The counter argument that is that he's playing behind the
best offensive line he's ever played, and because he's on
a team where he's not the entire focal point of
the offense, that they're gonna be able to scheme more
stuff and keep moping.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
If you do some RPOs with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 11 (21:54):
You're gonna open up big lanes and all Saquon needs is,
you know, a hole and he's gone.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
So but you win these leagues. It feels like where
later in the draft. Okay, so take us later into
the draft, give us some players that if our audience
hasn't done their league yet that they're at least aware of.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
You want middle round? How deep do you want to go?
How deep you want to go?
Speaker 11 (22:18):
Because this is one of those things it's always just
like all right, like what do you know? What would
you like to eat? We had an Italian restaurant? Or
we had a diner? Is it breakfast?
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Is a dinner?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Like let's go semi deep semi uh semi deep.
Speaker 11 (22:32):
I mean like like I'll just I'll rattle off some
some late round running backs and wide receivers like these
are like like literally like your last couple of picks
off the top.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Of my head in no particular order. Let's see.
Speaker 11 (22:45):
I mean, I think, uh, I love Greg Dortsch in Arizona.
The human doors like these are all gonna be guys
like who you talking about? Like uh, Jalen McMillian, McMillan,
and Tampa Bay seems to have won the third the
third job there. Josh Down's is somebody who I liked
a lot in Indianapolis last year. He's a little bit
banged up to start the year, but I think there's
some real nice potential. I don't know when it's gonna
(23:06):
happen Dan this year. But at some point this year,
Luke McCaffrey's gonna be a thing for the Washington Commanders.
So like these are like like Darnell Mooney. No one's
talking about Darnell Mooney in Atlanta, like they're gonna be
thrown a lot with Kirk Cousins, and obviously everyone's talking
about you know, Drake Lennon, Kyle Pits and Bejon Robinson.
But Darnell Mooney is kind of an interesting late round flyer.
(23:26):
I think the Buffalo guys Khalil Shakir and Curtis Samuel
needs to get healthy, but I think those guys are
some late round wide receivers. At running back, it's a
lot of the I think Braylan Allen is really interesting
in in New York. I think I think I would
argue the same for Ray Davis in uh In in Buffalo,
Bucky Irving in Tampa Bay in terms of some in
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terms of some kind of late round running backs. I'm
just trying to go through, uh go through my list.
It's one of those things. If you said a player
or you said a team, I'd be like, Okay, here
you go.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Okay, do you ding just Jefferson a little bit that
you have Sam Donald throwing to him this.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Year, not at all. I mean Justin Jeffers. So last year,
four games.
Speaker 11 (24:10):
Justin Jefferson played without her cousins, he averaged twenty two
point one fantasy points per game. He was a top
five fantasy wide receiver. And that was with Nick Mullins
and a little bit of a little.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Bit of Hall.
Speaker 11 (24:21):
Like whatever we think of Sam Donald, he's probably better
than Nick Mullins. I just I think Justin Jefferson is
going to get probably north of a thirty percent target share.
He's all they've got in Kevin O'Connell. It is a
pass first, you know, aggressive offense. And so if you're
Sam Donald, right, if think about this like this, this
is one thing that I think gets lost in fantasy
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football analysis, Dan, And tell me if you agree with
the supremacy, which is that they're human beings. So much
of fantasy football analysis is like, well, this stat and
this stat and this X and o and this X
and o, and I'm just like, and all those things
are important, you know, film watching and data analysis and
statistics are all very important. But the other thing is
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they're human beings, and so I just sort of think
about like, I'm Sam Donald.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Right, I go to the Jets.
Speaker 11 (25:09):
It's a disaster, Carolina was awful, all right, to go
for a cup of coffee in San Francisco. Wow, I'm
the starting quarterback of a team with legit playoff aspirations
and I've got one of the best wide receivers in
football on my team. Here's my first real shot at
playing for a real team and to resurrect my career.
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If you're Sam Donald, what are you doing? Are you like, Oh,
where's you know, where's Jalen Naylor their third wide receiver?
Are you like, hey, jj, where are you going to be?
I'm trying to get you the ball? But I mean,
you know, like Sam Donald's got an opportunity here, and
I think I just think people don't think like that,
And I'm just like, yeah, he's one of the best
wide receivers in the NFL. Justin Jefferson for his career
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averages over ninety receiving yards a game, Like, it's just
it's stupid. So I think Justin Jefferson is actually one
of these safer guys at the you know, you asked
me about sure things like in terms of wide receivers, right,
I think Ceedee Lamb, I think Aman Ross, Saint Brown,
I think uh, I think tyreek Hill, assuming he stays healthy,
I think and I think justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
What about Brandon Ayuk in that he's sort of in limbo?
If he goes someplace, does that increase his value?
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Depends where he goes? But unlikely? Right? I mean that,
I mean that the rumor now is Pittsburgh.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
Right, There was there was talk about New England, there
was talking about Cleveland, there was talking about Pittsburgh. And
I think if he goes to any of those situations,
it's not as good as being in San Francisco being
schemed open by Kyle Shanahan having he clearly has a
connection with Brock Purty. And if you're a defensive coordinator
and you're trying to figure out, like, all right, do
I try to stop Kittle or McCaffrey or Debo or
Ayuk and like that's the genius of Shanahan. And so
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I think wherever he goes, it would be a downgrade
to his fantasy.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Value if he does.
Speaker 11 (26:52):
And that and that the problem is is like does
he That's the other thing is like, as you're going
to drafts, there's just the uncertainty of both Ayuk and
Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase is back at practice and so
we're hopeful that he, you know, ends up playing the season.
Jamar Chase, by the way, proud Fantasy Life investor, thank you,
Jamar Chase. We love Jamar, but you know, you just
don't know what's what's gonna happen with that situation.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
How do gambling in fantasy sports intersect?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Like?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Where where do you think we're going with this?
Speaker 6 (27:19):
I think they're still very separate.
Speaker 11 (27:21):
I think what it the positives of it for the
fantasy sports industry is that now there's a lot more
money and interest in fantasy sports because fantasy sports players
are very likely going to become sports better is when
it's legal in their state right and or they are
you know they already are, but anyway, so there's been
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more resources, more money, more attention paid to fantasy That's
been very helpful, you know in terms of my career, right,
I mean I would like to think so, but I
don't know. Like part of the reason I think that
I was able to that, you know, I'm at NBC.
Awesome but I'm on Football Night America, right, I'm on
a pregame show for I'm on the number one pregame show,
and I'm I think a big part of that is
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because I do segments for DraftKings, you know, And so
the influx of revenue and money and resources into fantasy
from sports betting companies has been real positive to the industry.
I think overall, in terms of the actual gameplay, there's
definitely obviously some you know, there's there's definitely some sort
of games that are kind of gambling, kind of fantasy
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that are sort of gray. But ultimately, I think the
value proposition for fantasy versus the value proposition for sports
betting are different. Right, Like with fantasy, it's like you're
you're we were talking before the show about your son, Right,
It's like you get together with your buddies and you wanna,
you want to, you know, talk crap to each other
all all week long, and you know, it's a much
more social experience, whereas with sports betting, you're like, I'm
(28:50):
watching the sun night football game and I want on
a little at right, We've got We've got you know,
you may not be a fan of the Chiefs, or
the Ravens. But you're gonna be watching Thursday, and maybe
you think, like I think, Mahomes kills him, give me
the over on one and a half passing touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Or whatever, you know, whatever it is.
Speaker 11 (29:06):
And now you've got a rooting akin rooting action in
something that you might not have rooted for before.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
All right, So, my son, knowing that you were coming on,
knowing I wasn't going to give him any advice. He
wants an honest review, okay, of his fantasy team here.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
All right?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
How many teams in the league? I think twelve twelve
team league? Okay, okay, So Breese Hall great, Saquon yep.
Speaker 11 (29:29):
Sure, Sequin's awesome as a number two running back, sure.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Rock Perty fine, Mike Evans okay, Michael Pittman okay, George
Kittle great, James Cook, uh huh, love Cook, Christian Kirk
great Miami Dolphins defense.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Okay fine.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Then some of the bench Blake Korum, yeah, some Mere White,
Calvin Ridley, Hollywood Brown, Dont Johnson, Jacobe Myers, Dallas Goddard.
Speaker 11 (29:58):
So I think he's a little well after his two
big running backs, he's a little light on running back.
I wish he had one elite wide receiver. I will
say that I think Deontay Johnson is a great pick.
Just of all the guys you ran through, Deanty Johns'
is gonna be the focal point of that Panthers offense,
and I think that's really interesting. I think Calvin Ridley's
pretty interesting too. I think the Titans are gonna be
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a much much more fun team this year than people
expect them to be. They're gonna be more pass happy
under Brian Callahan. Will Levis is gonna chuck it all
over the place, like I'm honestly, I'm I'm looking forward
to the Titans this year. I think they're gonna be
a lot of fun. And uh, you know, the Evan
Evans is fine. You know, Evans is solid. He's gonna
be another thousand yards he always is. My only concern
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on Pittman is just I assume it's PPR scoring. Okay, Yeah,
so Pittman's kind of a PPR cheak code, but he
just he doesn't score touchdowns a lot, and so hard
to see. We don't know yet with a full year
of Anthony Richardson, how much how much looks he's gonna get.
I would have liked a slightly better wide receiver room
for your son, but overall that's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
Team.
Speaker 11 (31:02):
Guillotine leagues, yes, how popular They are getting more and
more popular. So guillotine leagues. Have you ever played one? Dan,
Are you familiar with this concept at all? Okay, So
for people who have never played it, this is this.
I think it is the greatest thing in the world.
Guillotine league is very simple. You get a league together,
you draft a team like normal, everyone drafts a team.
The key here is that you don't play head to head.
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What you do is you just start your lineup like normal.
At the end of the week, the team with the
lowest score in the league gets cut, chopped forever. Your
season's over, and you just keep doing that until one
team remains. Here's the other twist that's completely just blows
your mind. All the players on the team that get
cut go back into the free agent pool. So it's
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like week six and like Mahomes and McCaffrey are on
the waiver wire, and so every week, you know, every
team has stars, and so every week there are stars
on the waiver wire. I like this game so much
I bought the company. I literally own Guillotine Leaguess Fantasy Life.
We bought Guillotine Leagues dot Com and it's literally one
of those It's it's the old Victor Kim. I liked
(32:05):
it so much I bought the company, and you know,
we've made the game free to play, and so I'm
just out. I'm liking eleven different leagues of Guillotine Leagues,
and the people that play it absolutely love it. Everyone
that's ever tried it is just like this is so
addicting because it's one of those things. It's like I
have a bad week in normal fantasy will be like,
all right, whatever, But then what happens is you got
a guy on a buy, somebody leaves the you know,
(32:27):
the game early, another one of your stars has a
bad game, and suddenly you're sitting there like Josh Jacobs
doesn't score a touch on a Monday night, I'm dead,
Like it is a sweat like you've never had dan
And so it's it's really fun.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
And the other cool thing is the last thing I'll
just say is.
Speaker 11 (32:44):
You if you're like I can't get a league together
before the time the season starts, it doesn't matter because
you're not playing head to head you can start a
league any week you want, Like, all you need is
one more team in the league than weeks left in
the season. So with four weeks in the season, you
could start a five person league like it, because again
it's just all about just don't be last.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
He's Matthew Berry Fantasy Football Happy Hour, available Monday through Friday,
NFL on NBC YouTube channel Peacock wherever you get your podcast.
He's doing a lot of things. I can't mention all
these things, but it's great to see you and thanks
again for stopping by.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Dan always a pleasure, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio w APP.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
He's Jordan Palmer, quarterback, consultant to NFL College Quarterbacks, founder
of Thread Performance, former NFL quarterback, and the brother of
Carson Palmer. I'm looking at some of your clients here, Jordan,
and you have trained Josh Allen, You've trained Joe Burrow,
Trevor Lawrence, also Jordan Love. You also have had some
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training with some in some capacity with Caleb Williams, Jared Goff,
Patrick Mahomes and bo Nicks. All right, that's pretty impressive resume.
If you were going to single out a common reality
or a DNA characteristic out of these quarterbacks who are really,
really good. Is there one thing that all of those
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quarterbacks have.
Speaker 9 (34:20):
Yeah, And to be honest, and it's if I threw
that question to you people that are media moguls, not analysts,
and people who have jobs, but people like you who
changed the industry and been iconic, I bet it's the
same thing. It's confidence, and it's unwavering self generated confidence
of belief that is independent of the environment. It doesn't
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matter if everybody says you're a bump, it doesn't matter
if everybody's waiting for you to fail. Their opinions are
completely irrelevant. And so if you look at that list,
there's some six five guys, there's some really athletic guys,
there's some six one guys, there's some not that athletic guys.
So it can't be physical traits, right, And it can't
be where they're from. It can't be their ethnicity. There's
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too many examples across the board. So I would say
it's it's unwavering self generated confidence.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Okay, but can you have too much confidence to your detriment?
Speaker 12 (35:11):
I don't think so.
Speaker 9 (35:12):
I think people ask me where's the line between confidence
and cocky? And I actually think cockiness isn't past confidence,
it's its other it's its own thing over here, and
it's actually insecurity. And so when guys are overly and
I played with some Diva wide receivers and and this
is a common conversation with an NFL quarterback circles where
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the really really cocky guys, it's actually rooted in insecurity.
It's like it's the opposite of confidence. Now, people can
mischaracterize confidence. So for example, if if somebody thinks that
Joe Burrows cocky, then I think that's a misinterpretation of
his confidence. And that's up to people's subjective opinions. But
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but with the with the great quarterbacks, and and I've
been around some of the greats and other sports too,
the Kelly Slaters and the Tony Hawks and some of
the even just other sports, some of the top golfers
in the world, and my findings are that confidence is
usually the common denominator in the great ones there too.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Okay, but why can't I use that for wide receivers.
Why are they insecure whereas a quarterback isn't if they're
both sharing the same cocky trait.
Speaker 12 (36:26):
Well, I think I don't.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
I don't know that I would put some of these
deeper wide receivers and some of these quarterbacks in the
same category. I think what you do at wide receiver
and other positions is based so much more off of
your athleticism and your athletic ability, which is why wide
receivers have wide receivers who are great have a shorter window.
Typically running backs have a shorter window. It's not just
the wear and tear, it's the reliance on their physical traits.
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Whereas a quarterback can get older, those physical traits can diminish,
and then they can offset those deficiencies with the capability.
So a Drew Brees can age and get slower, but
be more clutch and be a better leader and be
more decisive in situation. So I think you can offset
as the physical traits diminish over time, I think you
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can offset that with other capabilities. Whereas a white out,
if you get slower but smarter.
Speaker 12 (37:20):
I don't know that you can still play at the
same level.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
How does a quarterback improve his arm strength once he
gets to the NFL as opposed to high school or college.
Speaker 9 (37:31):
Yeah, I think the way I would answer that is
how would they improve arm strength? And I think it's
the same answer for how would they improve accuracy? Look,
your throwing motion. Let's say that you're you know, I
work with a kid who's fourteen, and let's say that
it's guaranteed that he's going to be playing ten.
Speaker 12 (37:47):
Years in the NFL. Let's just say that's the thing, right,
His throwing motion is going to evolve.
Speaker 9 (37:52):
And so there's a long list of examples, but pull
up a clip of Aaron Rodgers throwing a cal pull
up a clip of Aaron Rodgers throwing in the last
decade to those two different people, right, And so it's
an evolution, And a lot of people come to a
lot of quarterbacks come to people like me to fix
their mechanics when I just don't.
Speaker 12 (38:09):
See it that way.
Speaker 9 (38:09):
I see that your mechanics need to evolve, so specifically
one how they used the ground. And I'll just answer
this like I get a lot of new college and
NFL clients every year. What do they come to me for?
And what do I spend time with them? On the
first is how they use the ground. And that sounds
kind of silly to a fan, but if you're not
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actually putting force in the ground the most effective and
the most efficient way, then there's an opportunity to improve
right there. How you transfer that force, how your stride,
how you get into your front side, when your left
hip opens, how it comes to a collision and stops,
pulls your right hip through. So that's the biomechanics side
of it. Velocity can increase there strengthening different parts of
their body, not their pecks and their biceps, but their obliques.
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This throwing slink from their right shoulder to their left hip.
Can't getting that part of their body connected. And then
right now this time of year, you know, we're going
around doing training camp visits with guys who have a
you know, bicepsen and iis tricep and iis they're elbows
bugging them a little bit, the back of their shoulders
bugging a little bit. And so now it's kind of, uh,
you know, revising some of the things that we've worked
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on and diving a little bit deeper and getting them
to just use their body more.
Speaker 6 (39:19):
So.
Speaker 12 (39:20):
The idea is that they don't use their own so much.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
He's Jordan Palmer, quarterback consultant NFL and college quarterbacks, launched
a nutrition company for young athletes with developing bodies called
thread Performance and three new products there. You can learn
more at threadperformance dot com. We may have four rookies
starting at quarterback. Tom Brady came out recently and said,
oh my god, you know, this is a tragedy that
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we're starting these rookie quarterbacks. I disagreed with Tom. I
think that they're learning more, they're learning quicker. They're also
older when they get to the NFL as well. Your
thoughts what Tom had to say, And is it a
tragedy that we're dumbing things down so these quarterbacks can play?
Speaker 9 (40:05):
Yeah, I don't see it as a tragedy at all.
I agree with you. Look, the signs have changed, you know.
I know you're you're close with my brother, and you
guys are big fans of each other. And you know,
the guy's the number one pick in the draft and
didn't play a snap his rookie year and he was
a healthy scratch because they basically.
Speaker 12 (40:19):
Want to redshirt him.
Speaker 9 (40:22):
And nowadays, you know, if you don't start as a
rookie after being drafted high it's because of a very
specific situation or because you're literally not ready, and teams
aren't drafting guys that aren't ready. And so I look
at it like this, that the position has evolved so much,
and a lot of this goes back to like seven
on seven when they're kids. Yeah. So, and I'm not
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the only person to be talking about this, but there's
so many reps. They've thrown so many back shoulder fads
by the time they step foot on college campus, and
they've seen the same so many coverages so many times
by the time they step foot on a college campus.
Speaker 12 (40:57):
And colleges are running more so.
Speaker 9 (41:00):
Sophisticated offenses than they used to, even though it looks
like spread and they may look to the sideline and
there's pictures and whatever.
Speaker 12 (41:08):
They're running.
Speaker 9 (41:09):
Statistically, they're asking a lot of the quarterback in college
And I was at a training camp. I was in
practice the other day with a big time college program,
sitting in the quarterback meetings, and I'm continually blown away
by what college offensive coordinators are asking their quarterbacks to do.
And so that just makes sport for a more seamless
transition into the NFL. And I don't know if you
saw this, but Joe Burrow had a quote somebody asked
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him years ago, and I've heard him say it in
private conversations too, how much harder is the jump from
the SEC to the NFL?
Speaker 12 (41:40):
What are all the things that are harder?
Speaker 9 (41:42):
And any He's not trying to be cool, he's just
I don't think the guy. The guy's incapable of bsing,
and so he just honestly he's like, I don't think
it's harder, And because on offense we have more answers
and we can be more in attack mode, we can
have more adjusts and audibles and all these different things
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to attack those defenses. And so I just don't think
the jump from college to pro is what it used
to be, even though the NFL game continues to progress.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
And we'd love to say this guy is the next guy,
Caleb Williams is the next Patrick Mahomes. And I always say,
there's not another Patrick Mahomes. It'll be somebody who is
different than Patrick. And you know, there's no next Larry Bird,
there's no next Magic. You know, we keep waiting for that,
but we're not being fair to the person that we're
watching and that they can be their own person. Although
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Caleb Williams and Patrick Mahomes, we hear the similar playbreaks down,
they improvise, they're very similar. Give me the similarities between
those two and what you've seen since you've been with
both of these quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (42:49):
Well, I think any fan who watches college your pro
can probably it would probably answer it the same way
I would. You would name the same things, right, the
mobility that they are Impropaca and those things. But I've
got some things that I think Caleb is way ahead
of Paddle, and I don't even know that these are arguable.
When Pat entered the NFL, he never played in a
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big game. Did you ever watch sex to Steck?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
But I watched them play against Oklahoma State one time,
at least.
Speaker 9 (43:20):
I was waiting on the plane. Yeah, because in between rights,
But you weren't like.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Hey guys, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 12 (43:27):
Yeah. And they never played the Big Twelve Championship.
Speaker 9 (43:29):
They never because the defense was terrible and whatever all
the reasons were for Texas, tex So, he never played
on a massive stage.
Speaker 12 (43:35):
Caleb Williams has.
Speaker 9 (43:36):
Played on a lot, including his first game ever coming
off the bench for Spencer Rattler in the Red River
shootout that we all remember of a historic comeback and
all these unbelievable. So if I were to list going
into the NFL, though, if I were to rank who's
played in more big games, it's zero two a time.
Speaker 12 (43:53):
Whatever that is, okay. The second is is Pat, I
don't think and I'm one of the few people that
watched all of Patrick's games in college. I even went
to a couple.
Speaker 9 (44:01):
And so when you talk about entering the league, who
has played more big games is nine and close. And
then second is you know who's handled like the pressures
and all the stuff that comes with being a franchise quarterback. Well,
Pat wasn't that until his second year in the league,
which means he never really dealt with all that pressure
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and stuff really till his third year in the league.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
Caleb was the.
Speaker 9 (44:25):
Number one recruit in the country and everybody was saying,
including myself, this is the best high school kid I've
ever seen. And if you remember when Trevor Lawrence was drafted,
Adidas's campaign was number one since day one, and it
was very fitting.
Speaker 12 (44:37):
It was a great, great line. It's the same thing
for Caleb. He was the Ellege eleven MVP. I met
him as a sophomore in high school. I said, this
is the best kid I've ever seen. Right, So, going through.
Speaker 9 (44:46):
High school, then going into college as a true freshman,
and then having that second half of his true freshman
year that he had, then transferring being the face of
like the new thing called the portal. The portal didn't
Caleb didn't create the portal, but he was the first
blockbuster move, right, And so he's the face of collegor football.
Speaker 12 (45:03):
Then he wins a Heisman, So then he's.
Speaker 9 (45:05):
Got the whole off season this last year and he's
in La Pat was in love it. So it's like
the exposure to what it takes to be a franchise quarterback,
I would say, also not even close. And then on
the physical traits, I don't think it's arguable. I think
Caleb is faster than path. I think he gets the
full speed faster, and I think his full speed is faster.
And so I'm not saying he's.
Speaker 12 (45:26):
Going to be better.
Speaker 9 (45:27):
I'm just saying there are a couple of traits here
where I don't think you can argue Keleub is more
set up for success entering the NFL than Patles.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, that's good stuff. Talking to Jordan Palmer, former NFL quarterback,
we were asking this today. If you could have CD
Lamb or MICHAEH. Parsons to start your team.
Speaker 9 (45:47):
Ooh, I would want to know what CD's like to
work with, because superstar talented dude who's bought in and
does all the right things is different than superstar talented
dude who's.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Out one hundred and thirty five balls. Jordan, I got
to start there. I got to start there.
Speaker 9 (46:06):
But if the part time job is making sure that
you show up and do the right things, it's there
are guys who would say it's not worth it.
Speaker 12 (46:12):
Now.
Speaker 9 (46:13):
From what I hear, CD is a great dude, So
I'm a quarterback. I would take CD, and I would
I would build an offense around him. The only reason
I would go Mica, though, is because I don't think
having a superstar X is the only way to have
a prolific offense. I do think that you can have
a cast of four to five guys that play roles
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and if you have an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 12 (46:34):
Look at San Francisco, right.
Speaker 9 (46:36):
Yeah, Brandon Nayuk, who you know wants more money and
all that stuff. Well, it's hard to pay Brandon Ayuk
when your offense isn't designed to have a true number
one and build off of them. And I played with
Shadow Chosinko, so I'm aware of have your superstar X
who commands double coverage at all times, and then build
the rest of your offense around him.
Speaker 12 (46:53):
But I have a lot of clients that have a
lot of.
Speaker 9 (46:55):
Different ways of doing this, and so my argument for
CD is, Yeah, he might be the guy I pick
if I was building it around a white out, But
my argument against it would be more about would I
rather have somebody that's going to get off the field
on third down and build an offensive role players?
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Okay, I know you didn't work out Dak Prescott. Tell
me exactly what you see when you see him, because
he's going to get sixty million dollars here pretty soon.
Speaker 12 (47:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (47:22):
I think that he's He's the right place, the right
time for the way his career's gone. And it's so
hard because it's the Cowboys. They're so polarizing. It's so
hard to figure out. Is Dak why they're not making
it further in the playoffs and winning a Super Bowl?
Or is it other other being Jerry other being person
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out all that right, because he had such a hot
start to his college career.
Speaker 12 (47:46):
He's been so consistent.
Speaker 9 (47:48):
I think he's only had really one injury when he
busted his ankle really bad, So it's not like he's
you know, in and out of the lineup all the time.
Speaker 12 (47:56):
And then I've heard other people like Call and Covered
make this.
Speaker 9 (47:58):
Point, and I thought it was a good point that
not every quarterback can have that star on their helmet.
Being the Cowboys quarterbacks like being a Laker, it's being
a Yankee, it's and he's handled I think that as
well as you can handle that, the media, the scrutiny,
the ups, the downs, all that, and so I think
there's so many things that he's done that not all
the other good quarterbacks can do in this NFL. Doing
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that in Dallas. But I just think it's hard to
pay somebody a max contract, even though we've seen it
time and time again, right with these with these last
couple of quarterbacks getting paid, somebody hasn't proven that they're
the reason that we're good, and they're definitely not the
reason that we're not getting further.
Speaker 12 (48:39):
Right, So Joe Burrow, for example, signed a big deal.
Speaker 9 (48:42):
He's clearly the reason that the Bengals are a bit,
a big reason that the Bengals are in contention, and
when he's out or when he's not, before he was there,
it's clear that without him they're not. And so I
just think with Dallas because they have other stars too.
That's the only part where I go, Jury's out and
I don't know, and it would be hard for me
to make some somebody in that position the highest paid
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player in the league.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Great stuff, as always, Jordan, We appreciate your time. We
wish you well with thread performance. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 12 (49:11):
Yeah, thanks man,
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. How did we get here? And where are
we going? Ceedee Lamb got paid. We knew he was
going to get paid. We knew that he would get
paid before the season started. I thought it was a
non story because all of these wide receivers are getting paid.
The question is he's not going to get Justin Jefferson money.
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Is he going to get maybe just a little bit less.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So we're here in the low thirties to maybe mid thirties,
and at what point do we get to forty million
dollars for a wide receiver. I remember talking about TJ.
Watt and how important it was that he was going
to be the first defensive player to get thirty million
dollars in a season. Now, Micah Parsons, who knows what
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he's going to get? And if you're looking at the
most important positions, obviously it's quarterback. And then we could
have a debate on edge rusher or wide receiver. Wide
receivers are getting paid. You still have Jamar Chase who's
out there, and I don't know if Jamar Chase is
going I should be paid more than Justin Jefferson Now,
he's probably going to ask for more than that. I'm
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sure Ceedee Lamb asked for more than that. But you
eventually get around too. This is where you're slotted. And
I remember when AJ Brown signed his deal and I thought,
if I'm Jerry Jones, I say to Ceedee Lamb, I'm
going to give you a little bit more than AJ Brown. Now,
I don't know if Cede Lamb would have said okay,
or his agent would have said it felt like the
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longer this went, the more receivers who were signed, the
more expensive it was going to be for Cede Lamb.
Now you're going to get this conversation today. What does
Cdee Lamb's signing mean for Dak Prescott. I don't think
they're related other than they play for the same team.
I don't think Dak Prescott signs a deal. If I'm
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Dak Prescott, I wouldn't sign a deal because if the
Cowboys don't like at this point, the Cowboys know Dak
is their future or he's not, it's not one of
those no, I don't know, Let's see him play another season.
If I'm Dak Prescott, you probably say I've done everything
I can do, Like I'm playing at a pretty high level.
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I was an MVP. Now you can counter that by saying,
but what do you do in the postseason? And that's fair.
But if he doesn't re sign with the Cowboys or
he goes out to the open market, he's going to
get paid because look at the quarterbacks who are going
to be available. Look at the quarterbacks in this year's draft,
there's nobody where you go got to get him. Now,
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we had a few of them in this draft. But
next year, and at least right now, I don't know.
If somebody goes Quinn, youwers now, you want them on
that rookie deal. But as far as quarterbacks are, I mean,
Kirk Cousins got paid by Atlama and then they drafted
a quarterback. He will find a taker. You know, maybe
it's the Raiders a team like that. But he's going
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to get paid, whether it's with the Cowboys or not.
But the longer they wait, now there's no other quarterbacks
who are going to be signed. You know, before the
start of the season, everybody is all signed up. So
he knows sort of where he's going to get paid.
He knows that sweet spot. And if the Cowboys don't
pay him, somebody else will. But if I'm Dak Prescott,
I have to bet on myself again. And it certainly
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helps that you have Ceedee Lamb there. That'll make it
a whole lot easier if Ceedee Lamb wasn't there. And
if I'm Dak Prescott, I'm like, it'd be nice if
we had him. You knew eventually he was going to
get in camp. Now the question is he going to be.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Ready to go?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
This is where you get those soft tissue injuries where
they're just nagging you know. Is he going to be
able to play? Is he going to be limited first
couple of games there? But Ceedee Lamb got paid. I'm
not surprised. He's a wonderful player and you can make
a case he's the best receiver in football. And with
Dak Prescott as his quarterback as opposed to Sam Darnold,
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with Justin Justin Jefferson, that might be the best combo
platter that we have in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
All right, set, let's polk question that we have today.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Let's see we got one here from Paulie. If you
were betting Chiefs or the field, we.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Don't do the Tiger Woods thing in football very often.
But with the Chiefs, I would say, I'll take the Chiefs.
I think I would take the Chiefs, like I've learned.
It's one of those where you want to deny something
that's so obvious. You're like, I can't like even doing
the show. You're like, if I do the Chiefs, people
(04:31):
are going, oh wow, I really went out on a limb.
But deep down, you go, they should win. Denver might
be a little bit better, Chargers might be a little
bit better. Raiders are probably going to be the same.
So you might have twelve thirteen wins. Now you're hosting games.
Now the Dolphins have to go to Kansas City where
(04:53):
Cincinnati has to go there or the raven You know,
remember when Miami went there it didn't go well. So
I'm you got to look at it and go, Okay,
what's my record in my division overall record, and what
do I think is going to happen in other divisions
Here You've got to kind of handicap it that way
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because you want to be at home as for as
many of those, you know, playoff games as possible. Certainly
if you're a team like the Miami Dolphins, where weather
hasn't been their friend. Buffalo is not afraid to go anywhere,
Cincinnati's not afraid to go anywhere, Kansas City's not afraid
to go anywhere. Then you have San Francisco, Philadelphia, Detroit.
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So you know, there's probably seven teams, eight teams right
now that you say could go to a super Bowl.
How many can win a super Bowl? So it's it's
not a long list. I know we're all hopeful. If
you're a fan base with a team like the Titans,
you're like, you know, maybe we could, maybe we could
kind of sneak in there as a wild card team.
(05:56):
Everybody has hope. That hope is going to dissipate probably
after about a month, and then you're gonna go, Okay,
we kind of know who we are. Like, if I'm
an Atlanta Falcon fan, I'm excited because I have a
good offense, Like I have a really good offense, and
that's a division you could win. But if I'm Tampa,
(06:17):
I feel pretty good. So there's certain teams that you
go I feel maybe a little bit better. If I'm
a Bears fan, I feel better. I don't know if
they'll make the playoffs. I said they would green Bay.
All right, now, you're not a surprise. You're not gonna
sneak up on anybody. The Texans, You're not going to
sneak up on anybody this year. Somebody's going up and
(06:39):
somebody's coming down. But that's sort of the beauty of
what the NFL tries to, you know, put forth every
single year. They want parody, they want a surprise team
or two. They want you know, nine and eight, eight, nine,
you know that's they're fine with that. Ten and seven.
Everybody's kind of bunched in there. You're gonna have a
couple of teams that are probably going to have twelve
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thirteen win seasons, and then those are the teams are
going to be hosting playoff games. So I would probably
go Kansas City. I would because I don't think Kansas
City played well last year. I really don't. That game
against the Raiders that was eye opening late in the
season and I went, wow, they are vulnerable. But that
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was a wake up call. Andy Reid talked about that
that they kind of needed that, and then we realized
they're a defensive first team. Imagine having the most valuable
player in the sport, but it's the defense that's more
valuable to that team, or at least it was last
year when they needed it most to win a Super Bowl.
(07:47):
Mahomes is great. We know that the defense was the
big surprise there. You got Pacheco, you got Kelsey, like
you have enough, and then you're hoping some of these
other receivers, whether it's a rookie receiver, somebody who has
bounced around a little bit, Mahomes will make them better.
But I would say I probably have fewer questions about
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Kansas City. That doesn't mean I'm going to pick them
when I make my Super Bowl pick next week. What
other pole question do you have that's Tod?
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Go ahead, bring on the game.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Now, it's a different era Todd.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Todd does that in the hallway.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
He'll just be walking around and he loves to do
theme songs of TV shows.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
All right, what else do you have here?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
See, well, we're looking at the sort of explosion of
wide receiver contract. Yes, more valuable to your team wide receiver?
Or do we put an edge rusher, defensive end? Okay,
who's more valuable for the Cowboys. Let's just start there
with Michael Parsons CD Lamb. Who's more valuable?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You could have a really good argument there because they're
both impactful.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Ceedee Lamb had crazy numbers last year.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Michael parsons, I don't know what his sack total was,
but if I put sack total and hurries in there,
what kind of numbers does that compare to Max Crosby
or TJ Watt or you throw out whoever. Man feels
like it's the wide receiver, you know now, Like it's
(09:49):
twenty time when Tyreek Hill got paid and I thought, wow,
you know, I's twenty eight million dollars for a receiver,
and then all of a sudden people started jumping past that.
And then I I was told by somebody with the
affiliated with the Dolphins, They're like, oh, Tyreek's gonna wait
till everybody's done, and then he wants to get paid
more than everybody else. So it feels like there's more
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wide receivers getting paid than edge rushers. You know what,
do we have five edge rushers? Like Vosa's in there?
Who am I missing from the Miles Garrett's in there?
So you got five guys that you think of that
are you know? Well, that guy can turn a game
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around a difference maker. Yes, Marvin is Chris Jones considered
an ed rusher or DT. I just I just look
at him as a football player, like he's Aaron Donald.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
He just he's gonna make plays, and he does make
plays in big, big moments. But I would just call
him a football player. He's sort of that hybrid. What
do you need me to do? And then I end
up doing it nine days until the NFL opener, and
today it's cutdown day. Imagine this scenario. And Ross Tucker
(11:09):
so eloquently told us about what it's like to be
the biggest name in your hometown. You were the star
of the high school team, you go to college, now
you're in the NFL. And then all of a sudden,
wait a minute, why is Ross Tucker at the Wendy's.
I just saw him. He's at the dry in he
(11:30):
planned football. So your whole identity for the first time
in your life is just chopped off at the knees.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And he said, you go home.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And everybody asked the same thing, because you can't miss
a big football player when he's in town. Back in town, everybody, Oh,
you knew who I saw today? And Ross talked about
that these guys have been All American, five star, four star,
three star, that everywhere they've gone, and now you go
to the NFL and you're just you're holding on for
(12:02):
one of those fifty three spots on the roster, and
then all of a sudden, come on in and bring
your playbook, and now you've got to go home, like
you don't even get on the practice squad.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
At least on the practice squad. You're still on the
team technically, but when you're not a professional football player.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
And I'm sure that it's embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Some may find it humiliating that you've been a star
football player. That's your identity until it's not your identity.
And then you go home and you just sit there
and then you hope that somebody's going to give you
a chance, maybe somebody gets injured, maybe you get to
go back. But I just I can't imagine what that
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must feel like, that that's who you are, that's your identity,
and all of a sudden, it's not your identity, and
now you're a former football player.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
Yeah, Marvin, Yeah, I knew a guy that played college
football around my hometown and big Jack running Bag and
he played and he I forgot what team it was,
but he made the last cut and he was selling
insurance now and everyone's like, oh man, you're a big guy,
used to play football. He's like, I try, I believe me.
I may like the last cut a couple of years
in a row.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yes, Todd.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
That's the other thing. What do you do for a
living where you're not constantly running into old high school
friends and people are like what are you? You're working
in the mall or you're working in that selling shoes
or whatever you're doing until you can, you know, re
find some other team that might be interested in you.
You have to go home and you can't just crawl
under the bed. You got to kind of move all
with your life.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, and I think you just work out.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I think you have to keep working out because your
window of opportunity is going to close.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
It's already closing.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And then maybe you get a chance with somebody else,
and then the following you know, summer, you're going to
try out for a team again, and then you may
be faced with reality of I'm not going to play anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
It's a weird thing though, that like we're sort of
talking about because it's like, like, oh, hey, loser, you
only made the What happened? I thought you played for
five years and now you're not there?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
What a loser?
Speaker 9 (14:05):
Like?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Uh no, he made it further than like pretty much
ninety nine percent of anybody, you know. Yeah, well it's
that's something that you need to like hang your head
in shame over.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Well, I think the player does. I don't know if
the reaction from you know, everyday people, but when they
see you, they're probably like, oh god, Lee, Well hopefully
you'll get on a roster again. Everywhere you go. You're
gonna get questions about that. When you go back to
your hometown. Hey, aren't you playing anymore?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
No?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Not this year? Well what happened?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I didn't make that. You don't say you got cut. Ah,
didn't make the fifty three man roster doesn't sound as bad.
Didn't make the fifty three man roster, yes, Marv.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
And the crazy thing about football is it's not like
you can go play overseas. It's not basketball. If you
don't make the Lakers, I can go play in the
G League, or I can go play in.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Europe or Australia or whatever. It's it's just here and maybe.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
The XFL or something like that, but there's no there's
no real options after that.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
All right, we'll get phone calls coming up eight seven
to seven to three DP show. We will settle on
a poll question. We have a football quiz coming up,
and once again next hour, Matthew Berry will join us
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maybe some late round sleepers. That's really when you get
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that guy and you go what round did you get him?
And it'd be like next to last, and then all
of a sudden that guy has a breakout season.
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Speaker 2 (17:23):
When it comes to the exact day, the perfect day
to do your draft, is there.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
One the day before the season starts?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (17:32):
I I think it depends on who you're asking, right.
Speaker 11 (17:36):
I think that if you were talking to quote unquote Sharps,
what they would tell you is, you know people that
do do what I do.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
What I for a living.
Speaker 11 (17:44):
We would say, like, we want to do it like
right after the NFL draft, or even before the NFL draft,
because people aren't paying attention and you can get some
really good values, especially if you're doing like best ball
and that kind of stuff. But generally speaking, for ninety
nine percent of the population, do it the night before
the the season starts, Like do it next week? Do
it this upcoming weekend when you have as much information before,
(18:06):
when we've seen all the preseason games. We know that,
we know the players that are injured, we know who's
holding out. You know, the more information you have, the better.
I mean, think about think about what a draft is
today versus a draft twenty four hours ago.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
On Ceedee Lamb, I was in it.
Speaker 11 (18:21):
I was literally in a draft and the somebody was
up at the fifth pick and they they went between
the between Ceedee Lamb and a' monros Saint Brown and
they chose I'm on Rossaint Brown, And literally twenty minutes later,
the tweet comes out, Oh, Ceedee Lamb, he's back in camp.
He signed this massive deal and had that draft pick happen.
Literally a half hour later, they had a picking Ceedee
(18:42):
Lamb because Seede Lam's my number two overall player, So
you know what I mean, Like, it's just the more information,
the better.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Christian McCaffrey number one, Yes, not even close.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
I don't know that it's not even close.
Speaker 11 (18:54):
Obviously, there's you know he's got he's got the soft
tissue stuff that makes a little concern. But for me, no, oh,
just because not only is he great, but he is
so much better than everyone else at the position, like
over one hundred points last year, better than everyone else.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Like twelve games of Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 11 (19:12):
And I'm not suggesting that he's not gonna play every game,
but even on a part time basis, christ McCaffrey just
is such a huge value week in week out at
the position.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
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Speaker 3 (19:27):
How many sure things are there?
Speaker 11 (19:31):
I mean it's sports, though not very many, right, but
I think that that's what your first round should be.
Your first round should be.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
I always say this.
Speaker 11 (19:39):
You don't want to you don't want to try to
win your league in the first round, but you can
lose it. Like you're in the first round. This is
like this is a superstar. This is somebody that has
a very high floor that you're going to count on.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Week in week out. So hopefully your first round pick
is a sure thing.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Give me some names.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
I mean, I listen at the running back.
Speaker 11 (19:57):
I think there's only three guys right that I feel
really good about this year as quote unquote sure things.
So there's other guys that I like a lot, but
Chris McCaffrey, Breis Hall, Bejon Robinson. I will also say
that I think Derrick Henry and Isaiah Pacheck out have
monster years this year, but I don't know that they're
sure things.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
You didn't include Saquon Barkley. I did not because.
Speaker 11 (20:19):
Because there's two things that that we just don't know
how it's going to play out.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
Is saque amazingly talented? Of course he is.
Speaker 11 (20:26):
But now going to the Eagles first off, when they
get in close, they give in to Saquon or is
it just going to be Jalen Hurts. Toushbush, who has
had Jalen Hurts said the most rushing touchdowns in the
NFL over the last two years, right, And yes they've
lost Jason Kelsey, but still like, just how many times
does Jalen Hurts call his own number versus handoff to
Saquon Barkley. So there's concerned about touchdown equity for Bake Barkley.
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And the other thing is, at least traditionally, Hurts has
not been a dump off to the running back kind
of quarterback. He has either been he's thrown it downfield
to he Aj Brown, Devonte Smith, Dallas Goddard, or he's
tucking and running. And so one of the big appeals
of Saquon Barkley as a running back he's he's such
a good pass catcher out of the backfield. And that's
you know, in New York, that's how they used him
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a lot. Now, listen, Philadelphia isn't stupid, and you don't
you don't sign Saquon Barkley that kind of deal to
not use him to his full ability?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
But does does he get.
Speaker 11 (21:17):
The passing volume that we have seen in previous years
in Philadelphia? Like he may be a better NFL running
back for the Eagles than he can be a fantasy option.
Like I still have him like running back six. But
you asked me about sure things, and I think there
are considering how high you have to draft Barkley this year,
I think there are question marks that you could say,
like is he going to have the level of production
(21:39):
that he had.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
In New York, you know, during the glory years.
Speaker 11 (21:42):
The counter argument that is that he's playing behind the
best offensive line he's ever played, and because he's on
a team where he's not the entire focal point of
the offense, that they're gonna be able to scheme more
stuff and keep moping.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
If you do some RPOs with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 11 (21:54):
You're gonna open up big lanes and all Saquon needs is,
you know, a hole and he's gone.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
So but you win these leagues. It feels like where
later in the draft. Okay, so take us later into
the draft, give us some players that if our audience
hasn't done their league yet that they're at least aware of.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
You want middle round? How deep do you want to go?
How deep you want to go?
Speaker 11 (22:18):
Because this is one of those things it's always just
like all right, like what do you know? What would
you like to eat? We had an Italian restaurant? Or
we had a diner? Is it breakfast?
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Is a dinner?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Like let's go semi deep semi uh semi deep.
Speaker 11 (22:32):
I mean like like I'll just I'll rattle off some
some late round running backs and wide receivers like these
are like like literally like your last couple of picks
off the top.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Of my head in no particular order. Let's see.
Speaker 11 (22:45):
I mean, I think, uh, I love Greg Dortsch in Arizona.
The human doors like these are all gonna be guys
like who you talking about? Like uh, Jalen McMillian, McMillan,
and Tampa Bay seems to have won the third the
third job there. Josh Down's is somebody who I liked
a lot in Indianapolis last year. He's a little bit
banged up to start the year, but I think there's
some real nice potential. I don't know when it's gonna
(23:06):
happen Dan this year. But at some point this year,
Luke McCaffrey's gonna be a thing for the Washington Commanders.
So like these are like like Darnell Mooney. No one's
talking about Darnell Mooney in Atlanta, like they're gonna be
thrown a lot with Kirk Cousins, and obviously everyone's talking
about you know, Drake Lennon, Kyle Pits and Bejon Robinson.
But Darnell Mooney is kind of an interesting late round flyer.
(23:26):
I think the Buffalo guys Khalil Shakir and Curtis Samuel
needs to get healthy, but I think those guys are
some late round wide receivers. At running back, it's a
lot of the I think Braylan Allen is really interesting
in in New York. I think I think I would
argue the same for Ray Davis in uh In in Buffalo,
Bucky Irving in Tampa Bay in terms of some in
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terms of some kind of late round running backs. I'm
just trying to go through, uh go through my list.
It's one of those things. If you said a player
or you said a team, I'd be like, Okay, here
you go.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Okay, do you ding just Jefferson a little bit that
you have Sam Donald throwing to him this.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Year, not at all. I mean Justin Jeffers. So last year,
four games.
Speaker 11 (24:10):
Justin Jefferson played without her cousins, he averaged twenty two
point one fantasy points per game. He was a top
five fantasy wide receiver. And that was with Nick Mullins
and a little bit of a little.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Bit of Hall.
Speaker 11 (24:21):
Like whatever we think of Sam Donald, he's probably better
than Nick Mullins. I just I think Justin Jefferson is
going to get probably north of a thirty percent target share.
He's all they've got in Kevin O'Connell. It is a
pass first, you know, aggressive offense. And so if you're
Sam Donald, right, if think about this like this, this
is one thing that I think gets lost in fantasy
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football analysis, Dan, And tell me if you agree with
the supremacy, which is that they're human beings. So much
of fantasy football analysis is like, well, this stat and
this stat and this X and o and this X
and o, and I'm just like, and all those things
are important, you know, film watching and data analysis and
statistics are all very important. But the other thing is
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they're human beings, and so I just sort of think
about like, I'm Sam Donald.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Right, I go to the Jets.
Speaker 11 (25:09):
It's a disaster, Carolina was awful, all right, to go
for a cup of coffee in San Francisco. Wow, I'm
the starting quarterback of a team with legit playoff aspirations
and I've got one of the best wide receivers in
football on my team. Here's my first real shot at
playing for a real team and to resurrect my career.
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If you're Sam Donald, what are you doing? Are you like, Oh,
where's you know, where's Jalen Naylor their third wide receiver?
Are you like, hey, jj, where are you going to be?
I'm trying to get you the ball? But I mean,
you know, like Sam Donald's got an opportunity here, and
I think I just think people don't think like that,
And I'm just like, yeah, he's one of the best
wide receivers in the NFL. Justin Jefferson for his career
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averages over ninety receiving yards a game, Like, it's just
it's stupid. So I think Justin Jefferson is actually one
of these safer guys at the you know, you asked
me about sure things like in terms of wide receivers, right,
I think Ceedee Lamb, I think Aman Ross, Saint Brown,
I think uh, I think tyreek Hill, assuming he stays healthy,
I think and I think justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
What about Brandon Ayuk in that he's sort of in limbo?
If he goes someplace, does that increase his value?
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Depends where he goes? But unlikely? Right? I mean that,
I mean that the rumor now is Pittsburgh.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
Right, There was there was talk about New England, there
was talking about Cleveland, there was talking about Pittsburgh. And
I think if he goes to any of those situations,
it's not as good as being in San Francisco being
schemed open by Kyle Shanahan having he clearly has a
connection with Brock Purty. And if you're a defensive coordinator
and you're trying to figure out, like, all right, do
I try to stop Kittle or McCaffrey or Debo or
Ayuk and like that's the genius of Shanahan. And so
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I think wherever he goes, it would be a downgrade
to his fantasy.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Value if he does.
Speaker 11 (26:52):
And that and that the problem is is like does
he That's the other thing is like, as you're going
to drafts, there's just the uncertainty of both Ayuk and
Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase is back at practice and so
we're hopeful that he, you know, ends up playing the season.
Jamar Chase, by the way, proud Fantasy Life investor, thank you,
Jamar Chase. We love Jamar, but you know, you just
don't know what's what's gonna happen with that situation.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
How do gambling in fantasy sports intersect?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Like?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Where where do you think we're going with this?
Speaker 6 (27:19):
I think they're still very separate.
Speaker 11 (27:21):
I think what it the positives of it for the
fantasy sports industry is that now there's a lot more
money and interest in fantasy sports because fantasy sports players
are very likely going to become sports better is when
it's legal in their state right and or they are
you know they already are, but anyway, so there's been
(27:44):
more resources, more money, more attention paid to fantasy That's
been very helpful, you know in terms of my career, right,
I mean I would like to think so, but I
don't know. Like part of the reason I think that
I was able to that, you know, I'm at NBC.
Awesome but I'm on Football Night America, right, I'm on
a pregame show for I'm on the number one pregame show,
and I'm I think a big part of that is
(28:05):
because I do segments for DraftKings, you know, And so
the influx of revenue and money and resources into fantasy
from sports betting companies has been real positive to the industry.
I think overall, in terms of the actual gameplay, there's
definitely obviously some you know, there's there's definitely some sort
of games that are kind of gambling, kind of fantasy
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that are sort of gray. But ultimately, I think the
value proposition for fantasy versus the value proposition for sports
betting are different. Right, Like with fantasy, it's like you're
you're we were talking before the show about your son, Right,
It's like you get together with your buddies and you wanna,
you want to, you know, talk crap to each other
all all week long, and you know, it's a much
more social experience, whereas with sports betting, you're like, I'm
(28:50):
watching the sun night football game and I want on
a little at right, We've got We've got you know,
you may not be a fan of the Chiefs, or
the Ravens. But you're gonna be watching Thursday, and maybe
you think, like I think, Mahomes kills him, give me
the over on one and a half passing touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Or whatever, you know, whatever it is.
Speaker 11 (29:06):
And now you've got a rooting akin rooting action in
something that you might not have rooted for before.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
All right, So, my son, knowing that you were coming on,
knowing I wasn't going to give him any advice. He
wants an honest review, okay, of his fantasy team here.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
All right?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
How many teams in the league? I think twelve twelve
team league? Okay, okay, So Breese Hall great, Saquon yep.
Speaker 11 (29:29):
Sure, Sequin's awesome as a number two running back, sure.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Rock Perty fine, Mike Evans okay, Michael Pittman okay, George
Kittle great, James Cook, uh huh, love Cook, Christian Kirk
great Miami Dolphins defense.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Okay fine.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Then some of the bench Blake Korum, yeah, some Mere White,
Calvin Ridley, Hollywood Brown, Dont Johnson, Jacobe Myers, Dallas Goddard.
Speaker 11 (29:58):
So I think he's a little well after his two
big running backs, he's a little light on running back.
I wish he had one elite wide receiver. I will
say that I think Deontay Johnson is a great pick.
Just of all the guys you ran through, Deanty Johns'
is gonna be the focal point of that Panthers offense,
and I think that's really interesting. I think Calvin Ridley's
pretty interesting too. I think the Titans are gonna be
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a much much more fun team this year than people
expect them to be. They're gonna be more pass happy
under Brian Callahan. Will Levis is gonna chuck it all
over the place, like I'm honestly, I'm I'm looking forward
to the Titans this year. I think they're gonna be
a lot of fun. And uh, you know, the Evan
Evans is fine. You know, Evans is solid. He's gonna
be another thousand yards he always is. My only concern
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on Pittman is just I assume it's PPR scoring. Okay, Yeah,
so Pittman's kind of a PPR cheak code, but he
just he doesn't score touchdowns a lot, and so hard
to see. We don't know yet with a full year
of Anthony Richardson, how much how much looks he's gonna get.
I would have liked a slightly better wide receiver room
for your son, but overall that's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
Team.
Speaker 11 (31:02):
Guillotine leagues, yes, how popular They are getting more and
more popular. So guillotine leagues. Have you ever played one? Dan,
Are you familiar with this concept at all? Okay, So
for people who have never played it, this is this.
I think it is the greatest thing in the world.
Guillotine league is very simple. You get a league together,
you draft a team like normal, everyone drafts a team.
The key here is that you don't play head to head.
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What you do is you just start your lineup like normal.
At the end of the week, the team with the
lowest score in the league gets cut, chopped forever. Your
season's over, and you just keep doing that until one
team remains. Here's the other twist that's completely just blows
your mind. All the players on the team that get
cut go back into the free agent pool. So it's
(31:45):
like week six and like Mahomes and McCaffrey are on
the waiver wire, and so every week, you know, every
team has stars, and so every week there are stars
on the waiver wire. I like this game so much
I bought the company. I literally own Guillotine Leaguess Fantasy Life.
We bought Guillotine Leagues dot Com and it's literally one
of those It's it's the old Victor Kim. I liked
(32:05):
it so much I bought the company, and you know,
we've made the game free to play, and so I'm
just out. I'm liking eleven different leagues of Guillotine Leagues,
and the people that play it absolutely love it. Everyone
that's ever tried it is just like this is so
addicting because it's one of those things. It's like I
have a bad week in normal fantasy will be like,
all right, whatever, But then what happens is you got
a guy on a buy, somebody leaves the you know,
(32:27):
the game early, another one of your stars has a
bad game, and suddenly you're sitting there like Josh Jacobs
doesn't score a touch on a Monday night, I'm dead,
Like it is a sweat like you've never had dan
And so it's it's really fun.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
And the other cool thing is the last thing I'll
just say is.
Speaker 11 (32:44):
You if you're like I can't get a league together
before the time the season starts, it doesn't matter because
you're not playing head to head you can start a
league any week you want, Like, all you need is
one more team in the league than weeks left in
the season. So with four weeks in the season, you
could start a five person league like it, because again
it's just all about just don't be last.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
He's Matthew Berry Fantasy Football Happy Hour, available Monday through Friday,
NFL on NBC YouTube channel Peacock wherever you get your podcast.
He's doing a lot of things. I can't mention all
these things, but it's great to see you and thanks
again for stopping by.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Dan always a pleasure, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio w APP.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
He's Jordan Palmer, quarterback, consultant to NFL College Quarterbacks, founder
of Thread Performance, former NFL quarterback, and the brother of
Carson Palmer. I'm looking at some of your clients here, Jordan,
and you have trained Josh Allen, You've trained Joe Burrow,
Trevor Lawrence, also Jordan Love. You also have had some
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training with some in some capacity with Caleb Williams, Jared Goff,
Patrick Mahomes and bo Nicks. All right, that's pretty impressive resume.
If you were going to single out a common reality
or a DNA characteristic out of these quarterbacks who are really,
really good. Is there one thing that all of those
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quarterbacks have.
Speaker 9 (34:20):
Yeah, And to be honest, and it's if I threw
that question to you people that are media moguls, not analysts,
and people who have jobs, but people like you who
changed the industry and been iconic, I bet it's the
same thing. It's confidence, and it's unwavering self generated confidence
of belief that is independent of the environment. It doesn't
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matter if everybody says you're a bump, it doesn't matter
if everybody's waiting for you to fail. Their opinions are
completely irrelevant. And so if you look at that list,
there's some six five guys, there's some really athletic guys,
there's some six one guys, there's some not that athletic guys.
So it can't be physical traits, right, And it can't
be where they're from. It can't be their ethnicity. There's
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too many examples across the board. So I would say
it's it's unwavering self generated confidence.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Okay, but can you have too much confidence to your detriment?
Speaker 12 (35:11):
I don't think so.
Speaker 9 (35:12):
I think people ask me where's the line between confidence
and cocky? And I actually think cockiness isn't past confidence,
it's its other it's its own thing over here, and
it's actually insecurity. And so when guys are overly and
I played with some Diva wide receivers and and this
is a common conversation with an NFL quarterback circles where
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the really really cocky guys, it's actually rooted in insecurity.
It's like it's the opposite of confidence. Now, people can
mischaracterize confidence. So for example, if if somebody thinks that
Joe Burrows cocky, then I think that's a misinterpretation of
his confidence. And that's up to people's subjective opinions. But
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but with the with the great quarterbacks, and and I've
been around some of the greats and other sports too,
the Kelly Slaters and the Tony Hawks and some of
the even just other sports, some of the top golfers
in the world, and my findings are that confidence is
usually the common denominator in the great ones there too.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Okay, but why can't I use that for wide receivers.
Why are they insecure whereas a quarterback isn't if they're
both sharing the same cocky trait.
Speaker 12 (36:26):
Well, I think I don't.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
I don't know that I would put some of these
deeper wide receivers and some of these quarterbacks in the
same category. I think what you do at wide receiver
and other positions is based so much more off of
your athleticism and your athletic ability, which is why wide
receivers have wide receivers who are great have a shorter window.
Typically running backs have a shorter window. It's not just
the wear and tear, it's the reliance on their physical traits.
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Whereas a quarterback can get older, those physical traits can diminish,
and then they can offset those deficiencies with the capability.
So a Drew Brees can age and get slower, but
be more clutch and be a better leader and be
more decisive in situation. So I think you can offset
as the physical traits diminish over time, I think you
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can offset that with other capabilities. Whereas a white out,
if you get slower but smarter.
Speaker 12 (37:20):
I don't know that you can still play at the
same level.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
How does a quarterback improve his arm strength once he
gets to the NFL as opposed to high school or college.
Speaker 9 (37:31):
Yeah, I think the way I would answer that is
how would they improve arm strength? And I think it's
the same answer for how would they improve accuracy? Look,
your throwing motion. Let's say that you're you know, I
work with a kid who's fourteen, and let's say that
it's guaranteed that he's going to be playing ten.
Speaker 12 (37:47):
Years in the NFL. Let's just say that's the thing, right,
His throwing motion is going to evolve.
Speaker 9 (37:52):
And so there's a long list of examples, but pull
up a clip of Aaron Rodgers throwing a cal pull
up a clip of Aaron Rodgers throwing in the last
decade to those two different people, right, And so it's
an evolution, And a lot of people come to a
lot of quarterbacks come to people like me to fix
their mechanics when I just don't.
Speaker 12 (38:09):
See it that way.
Speaker 9 (38:09):
I see that your mechanics need to evolve, so specifically
one how they used the ground. And I'll just answer
this like I get a lot of new college and
NFL clients every year. What do they come to me for?
And what do I spend time with them? On the
first is how they use the ground. And that sounds
kind of silly to a fan, but if you're not
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actually putting force in the ground the most effective and
the most efficient way, then there's an opportunity to improve
right there. How you transfer that force, how your stride,
how you get into your front side, when your left
hip opens, how it comes to a collision and stops,
pulls your right hip through. So that's the biomechanics side
of it. Velocity can increase there strengthening different parts of
their body, not their pecks and their biceps, but their obliques.
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This throwing slink from their right shoulder to their left hip.
Can't getting that part of their body connected. And then
right now this time of year, you know, we're going
around doing training camp visits with guys who have a
you know, bicepsen and iis tricep and iis they're elbows
bugging them a little bit, the back of their shoulders
bugging a little bit. And so now it's kind of, uh,
you know, revising some of the things that we've worked
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on and diving a little bit deeper and getting them
to just use their body more.
Speaker 6 (39:19):
So.
Speaker 12 (39:20):
The idea is that they don't use their own so much.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
He's Jordan Palmer, quarterback consultant NFL and college quarterbacks, launched
a nutrition company for young athletes with developing bodies called
thread Performance and three new products there. You can learn
more at threadperformance dot com. We may have four rookies
starting at quarterback. Tom Brady came out recently and said,
oh my god, you know, this is a tragedy that
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we're starting these rookie quarterbacks. I disagreed with Tom. I
think that they're learning more, they're learning quicker. They're also
older when they get to the NFL as well. Your
thoughts what Tom had to say, And is it a
tragedy that we're dumbing things down so these quarterbacks can play?
Speaker 9 (40:05):
Yeah, I don't see it as a tragedy at all.
I agree with you. Look, the signs have changed, you know.
I know you're you're close with my brother, and you
guys are big fans of each other. And you know,
the guy's the number one pick in the draft and
didn't play a snap his rookie year and he was
a healthy scratch because they basically.
Speaker 12 (40:19):
Want to redshirt him.
Speaker 9 (40:22):
And nowadays, you know, if you don't start as a
rookie after being drafted high it's because of a very
specific situation or because you're literally not ready, and teams
aren't drafting guys that aren't ready. And so I look
at it like this, that the position has evolved so much,
and a lot of this goes back to like seven
on seven when they're kids. Yeah. So, and I'm not
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the only person to be talking about this, but there's
so many reps. They've thrown so many back shoulder fads
by the time they step foot on college campus, and
they've seen the same so many coverages so many times
by the time they step foot on a college campus.
Speaker 12 (40:57):
And colleges are running more so.
Speaker 9 (41:00):
Sophisticated offenses than they used to, even though it looks
like spread and they may look to the sideline and
there's pictures and whatever.
Speaker 12 (41:08):
They're running.
Speaker 9 (41:09):
Statistically, they're asking a lot of the quarterback in college
And I was at a training camp. I was in
practice the other day with a big time college program,
sitting in the quarterback meetings, and I'm continually blown away
by what college offensive coordinators are asking their quarterbacks to do.
And so that just makes sport for a more seamless
transition into the NFL. And I don't know if you
saw this, but Joe Burrow had a quote somebody asked
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him years ago, and I've heard him say it in
private conversations too, how much harder is the jump from
the SEC to the NFL?
Speaker 12 (41:40):
What are all the things that are harder?
Speaker 9 (41:42):
And any He's not trying to be cool, he's just
I don't think the guy. The guy's incapable of bsing,
and so he just honestly he's like, I don't think
it's harder, And because on offense we have more answers
and we can be more in attack mode, we can
have more adjusts and audibles and all these different things
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to attack those defenses. And so I just don't think
the jump from college to pro is what it used
to be, even though the NFL game continues to progress.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
And we'd love to say this guy is the next guy,
Caleb Williams is the next Patrick Mahomes. And I always say,
there's not another Patrick Mahomes. It'll be somebody who is
different than Patrick. And you know, there's no next Larry Bird,
there's no next Magic. You know, we keep waiting for that,
but we're not being fair to the person that we're
watching and that they can be their own person. Although
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Caleb Williams and Patrick Mahomes, we hear the similar playbreaks down,
they improvise, they're very similar. Give me the similarities between
those two and what you've seen since you've been with
both of these quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (42:49):
Well, I think any fan who watches college your pro
can probably it would probably answer it the same way
I would. You would name the same things, right, the
mobility that they are Impropaca and those things. But I've
got some things that I think Caleb is way ahead
of Paddle, and I don't even know that these are arguable.
When Pat entered the NFL, he never played in a
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big game. Did you ever watch sex to Steck?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
But I watched them play against Oklahoma State one time,
at least.
Speaker 9 (43:20):
I was waiting on the plane. Yeah, because in between rights,
But you weren't like.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Hey guys, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 12 (43:27):
Yeah. And they never played the Big Twelve Championship.
Speaker 9 (43:29):
They never because the defense was terrible and whatever all
the reasons were for Texas, tex So, he never played
on a massive stage.
Speaker 12 (43:35):
Caleb Williams has.
Speaker 9 (43:36):
Played on a lot, including his first game ever coming
off the bench for Spencer Rattler in the Red River
shootout that we all remember of a historic comeback and
all these unbelievable. So if I were to list going
into the NFL, though, if I were to rank who's
played in more big games, it's zero two a time.
Speaker 12 (43:53):
Whatever that is, okay. The second is is Pat, I
don't think and I'm one of the few people that
watched all of Patrick's games in college. I even went
to a couple.
Speaker 9 (44:01):
And so when you talk about entering the league, who
has played more big games is nine and close. And
then second is you know who's handled like the pressures
and all the stuff that comes with being a franchise quarterback. Well,
Pat wasn't that until his second year in the league,
which means he never really dealt with all that pressure
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and stuff really till his third year in the league.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
Caleb was the.
Speaker 9 (44:25):
Number one recruit in the country and everybody was saying,
including myself, this is the best high school kid I've
ever seen. And if you remember when Trevor Lawrence was drafted,
Adidas's campaign was number one since day one, and it
was very fitting.
Speaker 12 (44:37):
It was a great, great line. It's the same thing
for Caleb. He was the Ellege eleven MVP. I met
him as a sophomore in high school. I said, this
is the best kid I've ever seen. Right, So, going through.
Speaker 9 (44:46):
High school, then going into college as a true freshman,
and then having that second half of his true freshman
year that he had, then transferring being the face of
like the new thing called the portal. The portal didn't
Caleb didn't create the portal, but he was the first
blockbuster move, right, And so he's the face of collegor football.
Speaker 12 (45:03):
Then he wins a Heisman, So then he's.
Speaker 9 (45:05):
Got the whole off season this last year and he's
in La Pat was in love it. So it's like
the exposure to what it takes to be a franchise quarterback,
I would say, also not even close. And then on
the physical traits, I don't think it's arguable. I think
Caleb is faster than path. I think he gets the
full speed faster, and I think his full speed is faster.
And so I'm not saying he's.
Speaker 12 (45:26):
Going to be better.
Speaker 9 (45:27):
I'm just saying there are a couple of traits here
where I don't think you can argue Keleub is more
set up for success entering the NFL than Patles.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, that's good stuff. Talking to Jordan Palmer, former NFL quarterback,
we were asking this today. If you could have CD
Lamb or MICHAEH. Parsons to start your team.
Speaker 9 (45:47):
Ooh, I would want to know what CD's like to
work with, because superstar talented dude who's bought in and
does all the right things is different than superstar talented
dude who's.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Out one hundred and thirty five balls. Jordan, I got
to start there. I got to start there.
Speaker 9 (46:06):
But if the part time job is making sure that
you show up and do the right things, it's there
are guys who would say it's not worth it.
Speaker 12 (46:12):
Now.
Speaker 9 (46:13):
From what I hear, CD is a great dude, So
I'm a quarterback. I would take CD, and I would
I would build an offense around him. The only reason
I would go Mica, though, is because I don't think
having a superstar X is the only way to have
a prolific offense. I do think that you can have
a cast of four to five guys that play roles
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and if you have an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 12 (46:34):
Look at San Francisco, right.
Speaker 9 (46:36):
Yeah, Brandon Nayuk, who you know wants more money and
all that stuff. Well, it's hard to pay Brandon Ayuk
when your offense isn't designed to have a true number
one and build off of them. And I played with
Shadow Chosinko, so I'm aware of have your superstar X
who commands double coverage at all times, and then build
the rest of your offense around him.
Speaker 12 (46:53):
But I have a lot of clients that have a
lot of.
Speaker 9 (46:55):
Different ways of doing this, and so my argument for
CD is, Yeah, he might be the guy I pick
if I was building it around a white out, But
my argument against it would be more about would I
rather have somebody that's going to get off the field
on third down and build an offensive role players?
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Okay, I know you didn't work out Dak Prescott. Tell
me exactly what you see when you see him, because
he's going to get sixty million dollars here pretty soon.
Speaker 12 (47:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (47:22):
I think that he's He's the right place, the right
time for the way his career's gone. And it's so
hard because it's the Cowboys. They're so polarizing. It's so
hard to figure out. Is Dak why they're not making
it further in the playoffs and winning a Super Bowl?
Or is it other other being Jerry other being person
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out all that right, because he had such a hot
start to his college career.
Speaker 12 (47:46):
He's been so consistent.
Speaker 9 (47:48):
I think he's only had really one injury when he
busted his ankle really bad, So it's not like he's
you know, in and out of the lineup all the time.
Speaker 12 (47:56):
And then I've heard other people like Call and Covered
make this.
Speaker 9 (47:58):
Point, and I thought it was a good point that
not every quarterback can have that star on their helmet.
Being the Cowboys quarterbacks like being a Laker, it's being
a Yankee, it's and he's handled I think that as
well as you can handle that, the media, the scrutiny,
the ups, the downs, all that, and so I think
there's so many things that he's done that not all
the other good quarterbacks can do in this NFL. Doing
(48:20):
that in Dallas. But I just think it's hard to
pay somebody a max contract, even though we've seen it
time and time again, right with these with these last
couple of quarterbacks getting paid, somebody hasn't proven that they're
the reason that we're good, and they're definitely not the
reason that we're not getting further.
Speaker 12 (48:39):
Right, So Joe Burrow, for example, signed a big deal.
Speaker 9 (48:42):
He's clearly the reason that the Bengals are a bit,
a big reason that the Bengals are in contention, and
when he's out or when he's not, before he was there,
it's clear that without him they're not. And so I
just think with Dallas because they have other stars too.
That's the only part where I go, Jury's out and
I don't know, and it would be hard for me
to make some somebody in that position the highest paid
(49:03):
player in the league.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Great stuff, as always, Jordan, We appreciate your time. We
wish you well with thread performance. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 12 (49:11):
Yeah, thanks man,
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