October 7, 2024 • 41 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, ESPN NFL Analyst Louis Riddick explains why he would sit Deshaun Watson if he coached the Browns. Vanderbilt QB Diego Pavia discusses taking down Alabama this past weekend. Plus, new Reds Manager Terry Francona shares why decided to unretire and return to the Majors.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Bandy quarterback Diego Pavilla will join us fresh off
the up. Upset Yavia Pavia.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I know for some reason did say Pavia.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I know, I know I keep saying that. You keep
reminding me annoying, but I know you want to get around. No, No,
you're annoying. Whether you're trying to or not. You got
to say the name right. Gotta say the name right, Diego.
Everyone knows it's everybody knows.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Everyone knows this it's Pavia.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I know it was the right name.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
They call him Pavia, I call him Pavi.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm right and theyre wrong once again. This is that
great Donald Trump impersonation.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Everyone knows it's No.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I had to let everybody know that that's who you're
to impersonate. Yes, Lewis Riddick of the Mothership, former NFL
safety and a former front office person, He joins us
on the program. All right, worst loss of the weekend
in the NFL was turned in by who.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Oh man, I'll probably say, I'll probably say either Buffalo
or Pittsburgh. Buffalo because of and Sean admitted it after
the game was over about how he handled the end
of game situation there coming out from his own end
zone backed up before instead of just playing for going
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in the overtime, understanding that Houston has such a big kicker,
the kicker with such a big leg, should he have
just kind of like forced them to use their time outs,
eat up the clock, you know, throwing the ball three
three times. That that's huge, that's huge for them for Pittsburgh.
I mean, it's it's tough having them in a situation
where you come that close down there on the goal
line to knocking the ball out of Landing Roberts making
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one of the coolest plays you'll see, and then I'm
not able to recover the football. Then Jalen Tolbert coming
back from getting hit in the area that no one
wants to get hit and then make one of the greatest,
you know, one of a big time catch, let's just
put it that way, A big, big, big time catch.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
I mean, that's Hue. That's just a gut punch for them.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I'm hoping that the team doesn't overreact and like all
of a sudden it start like you can already sense that,
you know, I'm knowing the broadcast that people were thinking, well, look,
this is the end of the Justin Fields era. It's
going to be Russell Wilson's show now, and people start
kind of like focusing their attention in the wrong places
because Pittsburgh needs wide receiver help.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
They just do.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
And you saw that a little bit last night.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
But I think those two losses in particular, they really
stick out to me. You know, yesterday there's other's The
Jets game is a huge one to Everyone will want
to talk about the Jets all the time because of
you know, just the people's affinity.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
For one to talk about them.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
But I think the Buffalo and Pittsburgh, Yeah, they stand
out the most.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
All right, Josh Allen goes nine for thirty. Yeah, he
got his bell run and went right back in the game.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Nothing changes in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah, that's yeah, it obviously, Dan, and I know what
you're alluding to. It just makes you believe that you
know that sometimes or makes you wonder if sometimes the
protocol is not followed to a t uniformly regardless of
the game situation. The individual involve all that, and you
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don't ever want to accuse anybody of not doing that
because we understand that player health is something that has
been at the forefront of our discussion for years now,
especially concerning concussion health. But yeah, when you see him
whack his head on the ground like that, and you're
sitting there and playing an amateur doctor, you know, from
your couch, and you're watching it, and you're looking at
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his body language, and you're sitting there, going, man.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
He doesn't look quite right.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
He leaves, he goes in, he comes right back, right
back out, He's right back on the football field in
one play.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
He misses one play.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Yeah, it makes you start going to come on now,
But I mean, what else are you gonna do if
you don't trust the medical professionals, don't trust the system
that's put in the place to.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Take care of the players, I mean, who else can
you trust? So yeah, where do you go from there?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
All Right?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Some other games, you know, I'm watching the Ravens and
the Bengals, and that felt like whoever had the ball
last was going to win that game.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
The quarterbacks that's about as good as Joe Burrow really
can play. And I know anyone now who wants to
hang the loss on Joe around Joe Burrow's neck and
say Look, he's still not playing good enough that that's
what franchise quarterbacks are supposed to do. They're supposed to
elevate their football. Look, Joe Burrow can't do crap about
Lamar Jackson fumbling the ball, picking it up, stiff arming
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Sam Hubbard and jumping it up in the air before
he goes out of bounds and throwing it across his
body and throwing the time. There's nothing you can do
about that. And Derek Henry's just a freak. We knew
this long before he got the Baltimore, But for him
to just kind of like have the kind of runs
that he at the times that he has them like
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you did yesterday.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
With Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Baltimore as they're finding their way defensively with Zach Ore
running the show now offensively, they're looking like a football
team that when they're locked in and they have everything
dialed in.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
They're gonna be tough to deal with. Man, they really are.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
And for sincey I don't know, I mean, I just
don't know how they fix the defense. I don't know
what the issue is. And I love lou Anirumo. I
love him more than anybody.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
In the NFL.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I believe he's deserved to be a head coach for
a while now. Man, the defense is just not able
to just consistently make the plays and the stops that
they need to make, and that's why they're sitting where
they are.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
What can you remember a running back trying to tackle
running back similar to Derrick Henry when you were playing.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
No, there's only one guy who I remember being like that,
that tall, that long. There was a guy who played
for he played for Denver. I believe he played for
the Chargers before that named Rod Bernstein who wound up
who was an HVAC tight end type that they wound
up putting that running back when he was in Denver.
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And I remember it was ninety three or ninety four
when I was in Cleveland and Denver came to Cleveland,
and I remember sitting there looking at this guy, going,
are you kidding me? This is a tight end playing tailback.
And that's really what Derek is and those guys, But
I don't care who you are. Those guys will make
you make business decisions if you're not wired right.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So how can you pretend to tackle somebody like it
is a business decision? But you don't want to be like, man,
that guy's soft.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
You know what you do?
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Dion used to call it when we were in Atlanta. Man,
he used to call it low five and a guy
instead of high five. He said, that's when you go
down by his ankles.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
And you made it.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
You make it look like an honest effort to trip
him up. But really what you're saying is, look, I'm
not putting.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
My face in there.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
If somebody hadn't seen the Vikings play, how would you
describe them?
Speaker 5 (07:06):
If someone hadn't seen the Vikings play?
Speaker 6 (07:10):
You know what I would say. I would on offense,
I would say.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Look, this is a team that's probably being being coached
offensively as good as any team in the NFL right now,
given how Sam Garnold has been able to keep them
on a track right now that I don't think anybody
thought that he'd be able to keep him on. But
Kevin O'Connell is right now, he's leading the pack as
far as coach of the year for me, So I
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think there you'd be like, you're gonna see supreme play
calling and coaching and game managing on the offensive side
and defensively. It is sixty minutes of absolute fury that
you will see eleven guys up on the line of
scrimmage and you don't know which eleven are coming, and
they are and he and Brian Flores right now is
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absolutely just causing some of the best quarterbacks in the
NFL fits nightmares because he's telling you, I'm gonna hit you,
and I'm gonna try and hit you before you can
figure out where that free runner is gonna come from
and you can get the ball out.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Okay, but why haven't other coaches done this? But why
is what Brian Flores is doing different than anybody else.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Well, I think it's because, look, it always comes with risk.
There can always be consequences. I don't know if every
coach from a play calling perspective understands how to get
those free runners on quarterbacks, meaning how to attack protections,
understands protections as well as maybe he does, and he
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was taught by the very best in New England, and
so not everybody is as confident and as comfortable doing
the things that he does because it does come with risk,
and some coaches are like, nah, I'm not willing to
do that. I'm not willing to put myself in harm's way.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Like that.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
But he has. He has made a career out of it.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
He made a career out of it all the way
to being a head coach, and I think, I think,
you know, all things being equal, he may get another
shot at it if his football team on this side
of the ball can keep playing like they're playing.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Lewis Riddick in the Mothership ESPN, NFL College Football analyst,
He was on the call with SMU and Louisville. You
got the Monday night game with the Chiefs and the Saints.
Kent City hasn't been good offensively, no Rice, Travis Kelce
has hit or miss, you lose Pacheco. They are a
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defensive team first, They've been that the last two years.
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Look, you have the ultimate equalizer and Patrick obviously who
can when he needs to do exactly what he needs
to in terms of getting a role player to make
a big play. Noah Gray last week in LA with
the Chargers with the big completion over the middle, Sam
a JP Ryan. You know it's Kareem Hunt coming back
(10:01):
into the Foles Xavier Worthy just splitting double teams and
Patrick puts it on it. But There's no question that
Steve Spagnolo is probably the most valuable assistant in the
NFL right now given what the expectations are in Kansas
City every week, and Chris Jones is probably the most
impactful needs to be the most impactful player on the
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defensive side of the football for a team that has
the kind of expectations that Kansas City does, and he
delivers the over and over again when they need him.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Chris Jones is the guy who's either.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Pressuring the passer, sacking the passer, getting some kind of
big TfL tackle for low. He does it over and over.
If it wasn't for Aaron Donald him playing in the
same era, Chris maybe you know, as far as interior
player is considered one of the best we've ever seen,
if it wasn't for the fact that he was playing
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at the same time that Aaron Donald, who is the
best that we probably have ever seen.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I'm gonna put you in the front office with the
Cleveland Browns. What are you doing with your quarterback?
Speaker 6 (11:06):
You mean, like, what am I doing if I didn't
have to answer to the owner?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I'm sure, yeah, I'm putting him on the bench because
I'm sure the coach is probably in my office going,
when can I put him on the bench because he
doesn't give us the best chance to win? When can
I make a change here because he's not giving us
the best chance to win? When can I make a
change here because I can't run the offense I want
to run, because he's not the guy to run the
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offense I want to run. So I'm sure I would
be having that conversation going, Okay, look, we understand, we
understand what you're saying. And if I had the autonomy
to make that decision, I would understand that I would
support the coach, But they are in a situation where
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this is then this is the single Like this isn't
purple either, This is the single worst contract and situation maybe,
Like I mean, I'd have to really sit here and
think about it, you know a little bit more, but
I can't think of a single worst contract situation in
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the history of sports.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I mean, at least to plays well when he's in there.
I never would assigned him to an extension given the
medical risk. But Watson just doesn't play well. It's like
he's he's vacant when he's out there. That's it, he's
checked out.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
This is every like like to a men, I get it.
I get the risk.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
You know that that they were taken down there in
Miami given his medical history, but it's it's everything that
came with DeShawn that they knew of before they even
signed him. And now on top of it, like the
crap play that he's putting out there right now is
just like the icing on the whole crap cake. It's
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this awful. The whole thing is awful. And I'm telling
you like, it's one of those situations where you sit
and I feel so bad for Cleveland because, honestly, in
my career, I mean, that's the place I identify with
the most because it's it's where I was the longest
and where really I learned football, Like I believe I
know it right now. And to see them now, they're
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they're a very talented football team that now is becoming
again one of those, you know, one of those franchises
where you just sitting there going, yeah, that's the Browns.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
But are they going to be sellers?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Like, I don't know, what what can you do?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Miles Garrett?
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Would you you mean sellers as far as like selling
off some pieces.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, nobody's going to take to Sean, right.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
I don't I don't think so. I don't think that's
what you would want to do. I really do think
you could probably, like you saw what Joe Flacco did
with this football.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Team a year ago.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
You literally right now, I believe, give themselves a chance
to pull out of this down on spiral out there
and need to replace one guy.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
You probably need to sit one guy down.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, But if they chose not to bring Joe back
because they didn't want a quarterback controversy, and they bring
in Jamis for the same amount of money that Joe
is making in Indianapolis, that to me is embarrassing that You're.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Right, it is.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
What I'm saying is you don't need to be sellers.
All you need to do is really move one guy
out of the way, move him over here, send him
right next to Kevin Stefanski on the sideline, and you
may see this whole football team turn around in terms
of the way in which they play. But so that, no,
they don't need to break everything up. They just need
to make one change. But to make that one change
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will be commit admitting to the most colossal like mistake
in the history of the NFL when it comes to contracts,
and I don't know his ownership willing to do that
at this point.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
If they don't, then this it's just gonna get worse.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Good to talk to you. Thanks for joining us as always,
Lewis you bet that Lewis Riddick of the mother Ship.
We'll take a break. We'll talk to the Vanderbilt quarterback
Diego Pavia, who will join us. Coming up next.
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Speaker 2 (15:25):
Sixteen to twenty two fifty two, two touchdowns, twenty carries,
fifty six yards, and an upset over Alabama. Diego Pavia
joining us on the program. Congratulations, When did you think
you were going to win this game?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (15:39):
We we had a feeling the from the start. Like
we just say, it's any it's any given. Saturday, C J.
Taylor actually said in his interview, like a lot of
people are gonna be surprised at the outcome. I think
you said it on Wednesday, last Wednesday, and that's just
the reality of it. It's any given Wednesday, any given Saturday,
and you know, we just came out and it was
Who's better that Saturday?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And we were take me back to the pregame speech
any any you know, fire and Brimstone yelling, screaming, banging
things before the game, big.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Gloss of Stephen Hubbard fifty four on the old line.
He likes to get after it and you know he
says you ain't on you know s word, and you
know he dislikes to talk his stuff. And then you know,
me before the game, I'm highed. I got my family
behind me supporting me too. So it's just all all
good vibes. And then go in and just you know,
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play your best football.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
How's morale on campus?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I haven't hit campus yet.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Were you downtown on Saturday night?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah? I was. We were at a shout out barstool,
but yeah, we were over there.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
We just hung out. I had a good time. We
had we know we had. We had a great time
with the whole team. And just you know, I'm super
excited going into this week against Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
What did uh?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Was there some chirping going back and forth by Alabama
with you guys during the game.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Yeah, So at the beginning of the game. You know,
we I go out there as a captain and go
out there coin toss. They were talking crazy, like what
what like they thought they were gonna come in here
and treat us like we were an FCS team and
we're like what, like what do you You must not know?
You know what I mean, Like, we're gonna see. That's
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why I kept telling him.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Like, all right, we're gonna see, We're gonna see, We're
gonna see.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
And you know they're they're they're laughing, talking like I
can't say it on the show because I can't curse, but.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah, they're they're talking crazy.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
So we when when they said, you know, we're taking
the ball, they're kicking off. We didn't even shake their
hands after we just took off to the sideline.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
How aware were you of Vanderbilt's history in football when
you transferred.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
You know, I was aware of it because there's not.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
A great history there.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Diego right, No, no, for sure.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
But same thing with New Mexico State when I went there,
they were the worst program in FBS period and so
like coach Kill flips flips pot programs. And when coach
Kill came here, he literally called me. I was committed
to Nevada at Reno with coach Choke and you know,
he reminds me of coach Kill. So I was committed
there and then at the time coach Kills retired, and
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then coach Kill gave me a call that night and said, hey,
I'm going to Vanderbilt.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
You're coming with me. And I was like, you're right,
I'm with you. I'll see I'll see you in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But you get there and you know, they've had a
couple of good quarterbacks there, but like you're in the SEC.
Now that that's that's a that's as deep as you
can go into the water there. You never felt like,
you know, are we able to compete on that level
with Alabama and Georgia some of these other schools.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
A lot of people when I first, you know, told
him that you know, there's possibility of going to Vanderbilt,
they said like, hey, like, don't go, don't go, don't go.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Like you're not gonna be able to win there.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
You know, you're not gonna be able to to get
drafted there, You're not gonna be able to do anything.
And so I like challenge, like, if you know me,
that's like you tell me I can't do something, I'm
gonna do it that day.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
And so you know, that's that's what I live for.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
I feel like coach killed this for the same thing
people told him, you know, when he started having his conditions,
like you can't be a head coach no more, you
can't do this, you can't do that. He went back
to New Mexico State to show that he could do whatever,
you know, whatever he puts his mind to. And so
same thing here. You know, he's he's a big reason
why I'm here and you know, super thankful to be here.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Take me into the huddle, uh deep into the fourth quarter.
What was it like?
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Uh so when we got when we got the ball back,
but it was like, hey, we we gotta go. When
they scored, when we were up by five, I said, hey,
two first downs, we win this game. You change you
change your life forever, Like that's just reality. You change
his program's life forever. And so we were, you know,
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we were hype. I said, no dumb penalties, we can't
get it, we can't get behind the sticks.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Just just play smart, play fast. Let's go do this thing.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
And then first play hits for a first down, and
so it was like, shoot, we might need three first
you know. Yeah, you know, coach Coach Beck called uh
a dang near perfect game, and so you know, shout
out him. He puts me in good spots at the
right time. We got clutch receivers, Eli Stowers our tight end.
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He'll be a first round draft pick in my opinion.
You know, he's he's different. These past four games, he's
gone for like a pastor game, has gone for one
hundred yards. Our left tackle, Gunner Hanson, and when people
put him on film, he's he's a first round He's
got he's twitched up. I've never seen like pas maybe once.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Look at you shouting out everybody, diego Pavia, the Vanderbilt
quarterback getting off the field. How crazy was that after
the you know it went final?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah, no, it was crazy. You know, they stormed the field.
I had a lot of family in town.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
I had like sixty sixty seven people in town, so
they were all there, you know, just having a blast,
and then you know, they rushed the field. They found me.
You know, we were able to they kind of clear
it out for me to wait.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
But you brought sixty seven there and you're playing against Alabama,
like it could have been a really long afternoon, given
who Alabama is. Like you were that confident and you're like, hey,
you guys want to come to a game, come to Alabama.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
It's belief. You got to believe it. And so that's
that's the type of person I am.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
How big is the chip on your shoulder?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
It's huge.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
A lot of people say I can't, I can't play
in the NFL, and so you know, SEC is the
closest thing to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
So shoot, I'm I'm here to prove it.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So I don't even know. Were you recruited out of
high school by any major college?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I had to.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
I had Division two offers, but I went junior college.
You know, it's a lot of a lot of people
go junior college. But I had the grades, but I
still had to go junior college and then went to
New Mexico State and then falled.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Coach kill coach.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Back over here, what's h watching game film going to
be like, we we watched it already, Oh you did, okay? Yeah, yeah, no,
it was it was. It was good.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
I almost screwed us though. At the end of the half,
I took a delayed game. I felt like a rookie.
That was bad.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Though you were a fifth year senior. You're not supposed
to make these mistakes.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah, you know what I mean. I you know, I'm
kind of short.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
So when I see when I see the game clock,
you know, the field goal, the goalpost is hanging in
my face and I thought there was another number right there,
but I took a delayed game.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Coach Kill was pissed.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Now he says he's kind of short. It says, you're
six feet that's give me, give me a give me
with your hair. I'm gonna give you six feet. I
don't know. Give me official height and wait here diego
official height.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Pro day, I'll be measured at five ten one eighth
m and my weight I'll probably be like two o four,
between two four to two seven.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah. It could be like Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah yeah, super Bowl champion.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Is there going to be a statue uh after a
win like that? I don't Vanderbilt doesn't usually do these things.
They don't celebrate sports the way normal schools do. I'm
thinking maybe a statue on campus.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
You didn't put a statue in me on campus?
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Yeah, I think I think we gotta do something bigger.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Something bigger. What what's bigger than a statue?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Shoot, we got we got bigger dreams than this, and
this is just oh okay.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I just thought, you know what you said, this win
will change lives. You could have that statue right outside
the stadium. Every time they go there, they get to
rub your head because most people be taller than you.
You know, you're only five ten, so.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I thought they make statues bigger than what you really are.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah. Uh, so you got Kentucky. Don't sleep on Kentucky.
Don't don't sleep on Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
The truth, Yes, the truth, and a lot of people don't.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Really.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
They are freaking good, very good on defense.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Top And by the way, I'm proud of you that
you didn't swear the entire interview.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
They told me not to swear before the interview, so
I'm good on Yeah, I mean you.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Were swearing after the game on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
No, I know, I know that that was my bad.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, you know, hey, you get one of those, hopefully
you get more. But congratulations, do you have to go
to class? Are you going to school?
Speaker 6 (25:00):
On there?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
They make you go to school over here.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
This is in New Mexico. State.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I got a funny story.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
I got here and I was like, can you just
put me on the all online classes? Look to be crazy,
Like there's no online. This is Vanderbilt now.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, this is uh you know, you're you're in the
IVY League of the South there. You got to go to.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Class Harvard of the South. Yeah, but I like the
community here. It's the people are awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Well congrats, that was a lot of fun. And uh,
once again, don't screw it up against Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, knock on woolf from me.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
Please all right, uh, thank you, diego, No, I appreciate
you having me.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Uh diego. Pabia the Vanderbilt quarterback. He was at New
Mexico State, transferred there. Jerry Kill was there, had health
issues and then became sort of an advisor Vanderbilt, and
he's like, hey, come on down, that's not the place
you want to go play quarterback. But they were the
better team. You know, that's not one of those where
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you go, what that lucky play that lucky called. They
were the better team. Yeah, Paulie, that's what's.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
The best about this job. If you would have said
a month ago, we're gonna have the Vandy quarterback as
one of our lead guests on Monday.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That kid I was watching, we.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Were probably watching on a Thursday night game on some
RSN at New Mexico State two or three years ago,
and he'll be the lead guest.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
That's awesome. Coming up final Hour the new Reds manager
Terry Francona. I thought he was retiring after leaving The Guardian,
so we'll talk to him. Tiger's at the Guardians today, Royals,
Yankees and Saints and the Chiefs coming up tonight. The
Chiefs are giving five and a half to the Saints.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
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Speaker 2 (26:54):
I saw the story that Terry Francona was going to
become the Reds manager, and I'm thinking, wait a minute,
good he retired. He stepped away from the Guardians. Terry
Frankcona joining us on the program. What happened to retirement?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Hello? Dan? You know what. I stepped away a year
ago because I just didn't think my health was allowing
me to do the job appropriately. Wasn't for any other reason.
I loved being in Cleveland. The people were fantastic, the
people I worked for, but I felt like I was
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kind of short changing some people. And I stepped away
for a year and kind of took care of myself
and had a semi normal life and did not expect
to be interviewing for jobs. But when the Reds reached
out and we talked, it just felt right. And that
was how it felt the first day in Cleveland, and
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that's how it felt here. It just felt right.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
What was it like to wear normal clothes for an
entire year?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, if you know me at all, that means I
have three pair of jeans and like, you know, four
golf shirts. And but one of my favorite things in
the whole world is get into the ballpark, you know,
getting in your slide and shorts and your and your
shower shoes and figuring out how you're going to beat
somebody's ass that night. That's one of my favorite things.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
But Okay, sometimes when you step away. You see coaches
do this in the NFL all the time, Well they'll
step away, And what kind of clarity did you get
and how does that help you health wise of going
right back into what you were trying to get away.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
From That's that's actually an honest and fair question. One.
I don't think I'm ever going to have perspective.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I think at this age wins and losses. The losses
kill me, and that's I don't think that's ever going
to change. I really have tried to take care of
myself and get myself in a position where I can
do the job appropriately. Now there's gonna be some challenges.
I know, you know, we're gonna get into the season
and late nights and stuff, and I'm gonna have to
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be aware of that. That's the best I can do.
I do think I'm in a way better position health
wise where I can actually go do this job.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Who did you consult?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I didn't talk well. I talked to my three girls
and one of my best friends, but nobody. I didn't
want anybody to know. And I told the Reds guys
that too. I said, hey, man, I need to keep this.
And so they came out to my house and visited
with me in Tucson and we talked for about five hours,
and right away we hit it off pretty well and
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it was a comfortable conversation. Into my my palm started
getting a little sweaty, and I'm like, okay, you know
this is this is getting real.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
What'd the guardians say?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
You know what, There's not a person there that you
could you could find that I would say something negative about.
They're the nicest people I've ever worked for. Like I said,
when I stepped down, it wasn't because I was disappointed
in people. I just didn't think I was doing the
job appropriately and it was getting harder for me, and
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I was becoming short on patience just because you know,
when you don't feel good, and that's not healthy for
a manager.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
How often do you think about the Red Sox World
Series Champs?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Not very often. I mean, I get people will remind
me of it when I'm out in public or something.
But I'm actually afraid, you know, they did that thirty
for thirty thing, and I'm actually afraid to watch it
because I'm afraid we might lose because there seemed like
there's so many things that could have gone wrong and
we would have lost. But I'm you know, I enjoyed it,
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like it was probably the four funnest baseball days of
my life. But I'm pretty good about moving on and
staying in the moment.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
But do you think how many of your players are
going to know that you were the manager of the
Red Sox and one World Series titles.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
You know what, Dan, I'm not sure I care about that. Okay,
they don't need to know that. What they need to
know is that I have their best interest at heart
and I want to make the Reds be the best
team we can be. I think in this game, it's
not what you did. You got to keep earning your
stripes every day, like I hate the world. Well, this
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guy arrived, Man, we're all still arriving, and the day
you think you've arrived, you're missing the boat.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Talking to Terry Francona, the new manager of the Cincinnati Reds.
We've seen this with smaller market teams management ownership, where
they say, hey, we're a smaller market, we can't spend money,
we can't compete. But you are seeing some of these
other markets that maybe didn't spend a lot of money
that are competing in the postseason. That's no longer an excuse.
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Do you think for a smaller mid market teams.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, you know what, it'll never be an excuse ever,
you know, I think, being just completely honest it's not
altogether fair the way the system is set up. But
I'm I'll never you'll never hear me use that an excuse. Man.
I was in Boston where we were kind of one
of the halves, you know that. I went to Cleveland
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and it was a little different. But I was very
careful never to say, because my job is to get
the most out of whoever we have, and that's what
I get a big kick out of. I don't need
to be the GM or the president. I mean, shoot, man,
I went to the University of Arizona and I'm a
second semester freshman. I don't need to be dabbling in
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that kind of stuff. I just want to do baseball.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Wait, you didn't make it through your second semester at Arizona.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Well, I mean, I know, I mean I was there,
But that's what that's what my thing says. On the
second I had some difficulties.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Take me back to when we were in Arizona. When
you're managing Michael Jordan, When you first get how does
that work out that all of a sudden Jordan's going
to be on your team and you're managing him.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Well, it happened so in Sarasota. When I was with
the White Sox as a double A manager. We used
to meet at seven am in the morning every morning
in this trailer and you need to go over the day.
And I was kind of like half asleep, and all
of a sudden I heard Michael will be assigned to
the Birmingham work group. And my life changed like that.
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I mean, I went from just being happy that our
games were on radio to dealing with people like you know,
Ted Copple and so. And I didn't know it at
the time, but it was probably the greatest learning experience
I'd ever been put in. And then when he was
going to play in the Fall leg I had already
been in the Fall League, so they wanted to kind
of keep it, but he said, he goes I want
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him because they think he knew I knew the lay
of the land, and I learned how to navigate his life.
And he was great, man. I mean, I'm telling you.
The first thing I told him, I said, Michael, you
got to respect the game of baseball. And I kind
of explained to him, like how much money these kids
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weren't making. And you'd have a hard time getting me
to say something negative about him. He was awesome, But.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
If you had had him, you know, so much of
baseball is like hockey, Like you've done it. It's repetitive.
It's year after year after year. You can be the
greatest athlete, but to try to jump in you unless
you're Bo Jackson. But you know, it's really really rare.
What would you have had Michael Wart?
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Like?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Could you have made him a legitimate major leaguer? A starter?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
When I get asked that, I think the way I've
answered it always it's because I believe it is you
need to get a thousand that bats under your belt
before you can even make a determination. He had about
four or five hundred. I also found out, when can
you tell him no, He's going to find a way
to make the answer be yes. And I've found out,
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And I mean that's not just baseball, that's ping pong, tennis, golf.
I don't care what yatzi you name it. Man, he's
he's gonna try to beat you. He canna find a way.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Uh, you get to see more of Otani now that
you're in the National League. That's good news for you.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
That's wonderful. Thanks for that. Just made my day a
little worse.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
What do you does anybody come to mind? Let's just
say hitting with Otani, let's leave out pitching, But who
comes to mind.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
That's the one thing about Otani that I don't think.
He's generational, Like his talent is generational. I don't know
that you can put a name with him. It's probably
disrespectful to him. I mean, this kid is and from
all I've heard, he's a wonderful kid, and he loves baseball,
which is really good for the game, not necessarily so
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good for when you're playing them.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Would you know the pitching parts of the hard part?
We've seen what he can do when he's not pitching.
You know, he's stealing nearly sixty bases and he's hitting
fifty home runs value wise, would you capitalize more on
him the hitter all around player as or would you
try to split it like they've done before with him?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
You know what, Dan, I haven't been around him enough
to know how it will work or what's best for him.
I do know if you have a guy that can
probably win eighteen twenty games as a pitcher and hit
fifty home runs, you're probably gonna be pretty happy with him.
I mean, who would have thought he might be underpaid.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
It's true. How do you assess Elie de la Cruz
like his future.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Ultra ultra talented athletic. You know, he's kind of kid
that people want to watch play.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Is he an Eric Davis type talent?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
You know what, That's actually a pretty good name. It's
actually a pretty good name. I'm trying to be a
little careful because I haven't even met these guys yet,
but I'm looking forward to it, and I will start
that problem. Like I've talked to everybody on the team already,
but I haven't met a lot of them. But I'm
looking forward to getting with him because he is some
kind of talent.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Wait, how does that work? You get like a call
sheet and then you're just calling everybody? Or did you
do a big conference call?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
No? No, no, I called every single guy. In fact,
I was a kidding during the press conference, our general
manager Brad sent me a list of names and the
list was so small. Did I end up literally talking
to some US citizens about spreading the word about Red's
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baseball because I was getting wrong numbers. I couldn't read
the numbers. Had a couple of people tell me like,
hey man, we don't care about the Reds. I'm like,
how can you not care about the Reds?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
You play on the team.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I live in South Carolina, and you know so I
told them, you know, you gotta make the printing a
little bit bigger.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
You probably still have a flip phone, don't you.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
No, But I'll tell you what I do have. I
have an S which is what that's one of the old,
old old phones, because because I know how to use it.
In fact, I told our I T guy, he just
left here a minute ago. I said, you need to
go buy some etc. Because your world just got a
little tougher.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Well, welcome to Cincinnati and welcome back. Good to talk
to you.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Again, Dan, thanks so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Take it Terry. Frankcona and the redis manager. Three time
Manager of the Year, won a couple of World Series titles.
You know, there are certain people you meet, and he
never changed even when he won, he didn't change. We're
at Yankee Stadium during the ALCS. They're about to be
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swept like his his demeanor never changed. And I could
see why he was the perfect manager for that veteran
team with the Dodgers, because he kind of lets you,
you know, get ready. You know, he trusted you, and
it worked out great. And then all of a sudden,
at the very end, it felt like they were like, oh,
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you know what, they're taking advantage Jim. He's too nice.
I mean he is nice. He's too nice. But lad
he's back in baseball. I go out to the Fall
League in Scottsdale, and I'm going to meet Charles Barkley
out there. We're going to do a conversation for ESPN,
the Sunday Conversation with Michael Jordan. So Jordan's agreed to
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let Charles do it, but I have to go out
because I have to help Charles do this. We get
there and Michael is not having a good day. He's
in his uniform. We're sitting in the dugout, Charles is there,
and then I'm next to Charles. Well, I know I've
gone all the way out there. Now Terry is the manager.
I know I've gone all the way out there, and
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Michael is not doing this interview. And Charles knows that
Michael's not doing this interview. Therefore, I realized we're not
doing this interview. And I had sold this to my
bosses at ESPN. I said, hey, Charles said, he'll do
the interview with Jordan. I'm going to go out with him.
It's a big deal. We get there and Mike, I
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don't even know if he acknowledged me, like he was
having a bad day about something. And you can just
see him with his arms folded and he is looking
out to the field. Charles is there looking out to
whatever Michael's looking out to. And then I'm kind of
lost in the moment, like I just whiffed on this.
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I just whiffed. And there's a picture that I have
and it tells everything. It's like he's not having a
good day. Therefore he's not having a good day. Therefore
he's not having a good day. You would be correct.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Bandy quarterback Diego Pavilla will join us fresh off
the up. Upset Yavia Pavia.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I know for some reason did say Pavia.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I know, I know I keep saying that. You keep
reminding me annoying, but I know you want to get around. No, No,
you're annoying. Whether you're trying to or not. You got
to say the name right. Gotta say the name right, Diego.
Everyone knows it's everybody knows.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Everyone knows this it's Pavia.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I know it was the right name.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
They call him Pavia, I call him Pavi.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm right and theyre wrong once again. This is that
great Donald Trump impersonation.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Everyone knows it's No.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I had to let everybody know that that's who you're
to impersonate. Yes, Lewis Riddick of the Mothership, former NFL
safety and a former front office person, He joins us
on the program. All right, worst loss of the weekend
in the NFL was turned in by who.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Oh man, I'll probably say, I'll probably say either Buffalo
or Pittsburgh. Buffalo because of and Sean admitted it after
the game was over about how he handled the end
of game situation there coming out from his own end
zone backed up before instead of just playing for going
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in the overtime, understanding that Houston has such a big kicker,
the kicker with such a big leg, should he have
just kind of like forced them to use their time outs,
eat up the clock, you know, throwing the ball three
three times. That that's huge, that's huge for them for Pittsburgh.
I mean, it's it's tough having them in a situation
where you come that close down there on the goal
line to knocking the ball out of Landing Roberts making
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one of the coolest plays you'll see, and then I'm
not able to recover the football. Then Jalen Tolbert coming
back from getting hit in the area that no one
wants to get hit and then make one of the greatest,
you know, one of a big time catch, let's just
put it that way, A big, big, big time catch.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
I mean, that's Hue. That's just a gut punch for them.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I'm hoping that the team doesn't overreact and like all
of a sudden it start like you can already sense that,
you know, I'm knowing the broadcast that people were thinking, well, look,
this is the end of the Justin Fields era. It's
going to be Russell Wilson's show now, and people start
kind of like focusing their attention in the wrong places
because Pittsburgh needs wide receiver help.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
They just do.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
And you saw that a little bit last night.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
But I think those two losses in particular, they really
stick out to me. You know, yesterday there's other's The
Jets game is a huge one to Everyone will want
to talk about the Jets all the time because of
you know, just the people's affinity.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
For one to talk about them.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
But I think the Buffalo and Pittsburgh, Yeah, they stand
out the most.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
All right, Josh Allen goes nine for thirty. Yeah, he
got his bell run and went right back in the game.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Nothing changes in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah, that's yeah, it obviously, Dan, and I know what
you're alluding to. It just makes you believe that you
know that sometimes or makes you wonder if sometimes the
protocol is not followed to a t uniformly regardless of
the game situation. The individual involve all that, and you
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don't ever want to accuse anybody of not doing that
because we understand that player health is something that has
been at the forefront of our discussion for years now,
especially concerning concussion health. But yeah, when you see him
whack his head on the ground like that, and you're
sitting there and playing an amateur doctor, you know, from
your couch, and you're watching it, and you're looking at
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his body language, and you're sitting there, going, man.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
He doesn't look quite right.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
He leaves, he goes in, he comes right back, right
back out, He's right back on the football field in
one play.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
He misses one play.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Yeah, it makes you start going to come on now,
But I mean, what else are you gonna do if
you don't trust the medical professionals, don't trust the system
that's put in the place to.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Take care of the players, I mean, who else can
you trust? So yeah, where do you go from there?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
All Right?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Some other games, you know, I'm watching the Ravens and
the Bengals, and that felt like whoever had the ball
last was going to win that game.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
The quarterbacks that's about as good as Joe Burrow really
can play. And I know anyone now who wants to
hang the loss on Joe around Joe Burrow's neck and
say Look, he's still not playing good enough that that's
what franchise quarterbacks are supposed to do. They're supposed to
elevate their football. Look, Joe Burrow can't do crap about
Lamar Jackson fumbling the ball, picking it up, stiff arming
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Sam Hubbard and jumping it up in the air before
he goes out of bounds and throwing it across his
body and throwing the time. There's nothing you can do
about that. And Derek Henry's just a freak. We knew
this long before he got the Baltimore, But for him
to just kind of like have the kind of runs
that he at the times that he has them like
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you did yesterday.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
With Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Baltimore as they're finding their way defensively with Zach Ore
running the show now offensively, they're looking like a football
team that when they're locked in and they have everything
dialed in.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
They're gonna be tough to deal with. Man, they really are.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
And for sincey I don't know, I mean, I just
don't know how they fix the defense. I don't know
what the issue is. And I love lou Anirumo. I
love him more than anybody.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
In the NFL.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I believe he's deserved to be a head coach for
a while now. Man, the defense is just not able
to just consistently make the plays and the stops that
they need to make, and that's why they're sitting where
they are.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
What can you remember a running back trying to tackle
running back similar to Derrick Henry when you were playing.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
No, there's only one guy who I remember being like that,
that tall, that long. There was a guy who played
for he played for Denver. I believe he played for
the Chargers before that named Rod Bernstein who wound up
who was an HVAC tight end type that they wound
up putting that running back when he was in Denver.
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And I remember it was ninety three or ninety four
when I was in Cleveland and Denver came to Cleveland,
and I remember sitting there looking at this guy, going,
are you kidding me? This is a tight end playing tailback.
And that's really what Derek is and those guys, But
I don't care who you are. Those guys will make
you make business decisions if you're not wired right.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So how can you pretend to tackle somebody like it
is a business decision? But you don't want to be like, man,
that guy's soft.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
You know what you do?
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Dion used to call it when we were in Atlanta. Man,
he used to call it low five and a guy
instead of high five. He said, that's when you go
down by his ankles.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
And you made it.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
You make it look like an honest effort to trip
him up. But really what you're saying is, look, I'm
not putting.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
My face in there.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
If somebody hadn't seen the Vikings play, how would you
describe them?
Speaker 5 (07:06):
If someone hadn't seen the Vikings play?
Speaker 6 (07:10):
You know what I would say. I would on offense,
I would say.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Look, this is a team that's probably being being coached
offensively as good as any team in the NFL right now,
given how Sam Garnold has been able to keep them
on a track right now that I don't think anybody
thought that he'd be able to keep him on. But
Kevin O'Connell is right now, he's leading the pack as
far as coach of the year for me, So I
(07:34):
think there you'd be like, you're gonna see supreme play
calling and coaching and game managing on the offensive side
and defensively. It is sixty minutes of absolute fury that
you will see eleven guys up on the line of
scrimmage and you don't know which eleven are coming, and
they are and he and Brian Flores right now is
(07:54):
absolutely just causing some of the best quarterbacks in the
NFL fits nightmares because he's telling you, I'm gonna hit you,
and I'm gonna try and hit you before you can
figure out where that free runner is gonna come from
and you can get the ball out.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Okay, but why haven't other coaches done this? But why
is what Brian Flores is doing different than anybody else.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Well, I think it's because, look, it always comes with risk.
There can always be consequences. I don't know if every
coach from a play calling perspective understands how to get
those free runners on quarterbacks, meaning how to attack protections,
understands protections as well as maybe he does, and he
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was taught by the very best in New England, and
so not everybody is as confident and as comfortable doing
the things that he does because it does come with risk,
and some coaches are like, nah, I'm not willing to
do that. I'm not willing to put myself in harm's way.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Like that.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
But he has. He has made a career out of it.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
He made a career out of it all the way
to being a head coach, and I think, I think,
you know, all things being equal, he may get another
shot at it if his football team on this side
of the ball can keep playing like they're playing.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Lewis Riddick in the Mothership ESPN, NFL College Football analyst,
He was on the call with SMU and Louisville. You
got the Monday night game with the Chiefs and the Saints.
Kent City hasn't been good offensively, no Rice, Travis Kelce
has hit or miss, you lose Pacheco. They are a
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defensive team first, They've been that the last two years.
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Look, you have the ultimate equalizer and Patrick obviously who
can when he needs to do exactly what he needs
to in terms of getting a role player to make
a big play. Noah Gray last week in LA with
the Chargers with the big completion over the middle, Sam
a JP Ryan. You know it's Kareem Hunt coming back
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into the Foles Xavier Worthy just splitting double teams and
Patrick puts it on it. But There's no question that
Steve Spagnolo is probably the most valuable assistant in the
NFL right now given what the expectations are in Kansas
City every week, and Chris Jones is probably the most
impactful needs to be the most impactful player on the
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defensive side of the football for a team that has
the kind of expectations that Kansas City does, and he
delivers the over and over again when they need him.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Chris Jones is the guy who's either.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Pressuring the passer, sacking the passer, getting some kind of
big TfL tackle for low. He does it over and over.
If it wasn't for Aaron Donald him playing in the
same era, Chris maybe you know, as far as interior
player is considered one of the best we've ever seen,
if it wasn't for the fact that he was playing
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at the same time that Aaron Donald, who is the
best that we probably have ever seen.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I'm gonna put you in the front office with the
Cleveland Browns. What are you doing with your quarterback?
Speaker 6 (11:06):
You mean, like, what am I doing if I didn't
have to answer to the owner?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I'm sure, yeah, I'm putting him on the bench because
I'm sure the coach is probably in my office going,
when can I put him on the bench because he
doesn't give us the best chance to win? When can
I make a change here because he's not giving us
the best chance to win? When can I make a
change here because I can't run the offense I want
to run, because he's not the guy to run the
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offense I want to run. So I'm sure I would
be having that conversation going, Okay, look, we understand, we
understand what you're saying. And if I had the autonomy
to make that decision, I would understand that I would
support the coach, But they are in a situation where
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this is then this is the single Like this isn't
purple either, This is the single worst contract and situation maybe,
Like I mean, I'd have to really sit here and
think about it, you know a little bit more, but
I can't think of a single worst contract situation in
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the history of sports.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Think about that.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I mean, at least to plays well when he's in there.
I never would assigned him to an extension given the
medical risk. But Watson just doesn't play well. It's like
he's he's vacant when he's out there. That's it, he's
checked out.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
This is every like like to a men, I get it.
I get the risk.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
You know that that they were taken down there in
Miami given his medical history, but it's it's everything that
came with DeShawn that they knew of before they even
signed him. And now on top of it, like the
crap play that he's putting out there right now is
just like the icing on the whole crap cake. It's
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this awful. The whole thing is awful. And I'm telling
you like, it's one of those situations where you sit
and I feel so bad for Cleveland because, honestly, in
my career, I mean, that's the place I identify with
the most because it's it's where I was the longest
and where really I learned football, Like I believe I
know it right now. And to see them now, they're
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they're a very talented football team that now is becoming
again one of those, you know, one of those franchises
where you just sitting there going, yeah, that's the Browns.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
But are they going to be sellers?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Like, I don't know, what what can you do?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Miles Garrett?
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Would you you mean sellers as far as like selling
off some pieces.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, nobody's going to take to Sean, right.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
I don't I don't think so. I don't think that's
what you would want to do. I really do think
you could probably, like you saw what Joe Flacco did
with this football.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Team a year ago.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
You literally right now, I believe, give themselves a chance
to pull out of this down on spiral out there
and need to replace one guy.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
You probably need to sit one guy down.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, But if they chose not to bring Joe back
because they didn't want a quarterback controversy, and they bring
in Jamis for the same amount of money that Joe
is making in Indianapolis, that to me is embarrassing that You're.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Right, it is.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
What I'm saying is you don't need to be sellers.
All you need to do is really move one guy
out of the way, move him over here, send him
right next to Kevin Stefanski on the sideline, and you
may see this whole football team turn around in terms
of the way in which they play. But so that, no,
they don't need to break everything up. They just need
to make one change. But to make that one change
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will be commit admitting to the most colossal like mistake
in the history of the NFL when it comes to contracts,
and I don't know his ownership willing to do that
at this point.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
If they don't, then this it's just gonna get worse.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Good to talk to you. Thanks for joining us as always,
Lewis you bet that Lewis Riddick of the mother Ship.
We'll take a break. We'll talk to the Vanderbilt quarterback
Diego Pavia, who will join us. Coming up next.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
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Speaker 2 (15:25):
Sixteen to twenty two fifty two, two touchdowns, twenty carries,
fifty six yards, and an upset over Alabama. Diego Pavia
joining us on the program. Congratulations, When did you think
you were going to win this game?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (15:39):
We we had a feeling the from the start. Like
we just say, it's any it's any given. Saturday, C J.
Taylor actually said in his interview, like a lot of
people are gonna be surprised at the outcome. I think
you said it on Wednesday, last Wednesday, and that's just
the reality of it. It's any given Wednesday, any given Saturday,
and you know, we just came out and it was
Who's better that Saturday?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And we were take me back to the pregame speech
any any you know, fire and Brimstone yelling, screaming, banging
things before the game, big.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Gloss of Stephen Hubbard fifty four on the old line.
He likes to get after it and you know he
says you ain't on you know s word, and you
know he dislikes to talk his stuff. And then you know,
me before the game, I'm highed. I got my family
behind me supporting me too. So it's just all all
good vibes. And then go in and just you know,
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play your best football.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
How's morale on campus?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I haven't hit campus yet.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Were you downtown on Saturday night?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah? I was. We were at a shout out barstool,
but yeah, we were over there.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
We just hung out. I had a good time. We
had we know we had. We had a great time
with the whole team. And just you know, I'm super
excited going into this week against Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
What did uh?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Was there some chirping going back and forth by Alabama
with you guys during the game.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Yeah, So at the beginning of the game. You know,
we I go out there as a captain and go
out there coin toss. They were talking crazy, like what
what like they thought they were gonna come in here
and treat us like we were an FCS team and
we're like what, like what do you You must not know?
You know what I mean, Like, we're gonna see. That's
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why I kept telling him.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Like, all right, we're gonna see, We're gonna see, We're
gonna see.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
And you know they're they're they're laughing, talking like I
can't say it on the show because I can't curse, but.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah, they're they're talking crazy.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
So we when when they said, you know, we're taking
the ball, they're kicking off. We didn't even shake their
hands after we just took off to the sideline.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
How aware were you of Vanderbilt's history in football when
you transferred.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
You know, I was aware of it because there's not.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
A great history there.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Diego right, No, no, for sure.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
But same thing with New Mexico State when I went there,
they were the worst program in FBS period and so
like coach Kill flips flips pot programs. And when coach
Kill came here, he literally called me. I was committed
to Nevada at Reno with coach Choke and you know,
he reminds me of coach Kill. So I was committed
there and then at the time coach Kills retired, and
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then coach Kill gave me a call that night and said, hey,
I'm going to Vanderbilt.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
You're coming with me. And I was like, you're right,
I'm with you. I'll see I'll see you in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But you get there and you know, they've had a
couple of good quarterbacks there, but like you're in the SEC.
Now that that's that's a that's as deep as you
can go into the water there. You never felt like,
you know, are we able to compete on that level
with Alabama and Georgia some of these other schools.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
A lot of people when I first, you know, told
him that you know, there's possibility of going to Vanderbilt,
they said like, hey, like, don't go, don't go, don't go.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Like you're not gonna be able to win there.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
You know, you're not gonna be able to to get
drafted there, You're not gonna be able to do anything.
And so I like challenge, like, if you know me,
that's like you tell me I can't do something, I'm
gonna do it that day.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
And so you know, that's that's what I live for.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
I feel like coach killed this for the same thing
people told him, you know, when he started having his conditions,
like you can't be a head coach no more, you
can't do this, you can't do that. He went back
to New Mexico State to show that he could do whatever,
you know, whatever he puts his mind to. And so
same thing here. You know, he's he's a big reason
why I'm here and you know, super thankful to be here.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Take me into the huddle, uh deep into the fourth quarter.
What was it like?
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Uh so when we got when we got the ball back,
but it was like, hey, we we gotta go. When
they scored, when we were up by five, I said, hey,
two first downs, we win this game. You change you
change your life forever, Like that's just reality. You change
his program's life forever. And so we were, you know,
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we were hype. I said, no dumb penalties, we can't
get it, we can't get behind the sticks.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Just just play smart, play fast. Let's go do this thing.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
And then first play hits for a first down, and
so it was like, shoot, we might need three first
you know. Yeah, you know, coach Coach Beck called uh
a dang near perfect game, and so you know, shout
out him. He puts me in good spots at the
right time. We got clutch receivers, Eli Stowers our tight end.
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He'll be a first round draft pick in my opinion.
You know, he's he's different. These past four games, he's
gone for like a pastor game, has gone for one
hundred yards. Our left tackle, Gunner Hanson, and when people
put him on film, he's he's a first round He's
got he's twitched up. I've never seen like pas maybe once.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Look at you shouting out everybody, diego Pavia, the Vanderbilt
quarterback getting off the field. How crazy was that after
the you know it went final?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah, no, it was crazy. You know, they stormed the field.
I had a lot of family in town.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
I had like sixty sixty seven people in town, so
they were all there, you know, just having a blast,
and then you know, they rushed the field. They found me.
You know, we were able to they kind of clear
it out for me to wait.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
But you brought sixty seven there and you're playing against Alabama,
like it could have been a really long afternoon, given
who Alabama is. Like you were that confident and you're like, hey,
you guys want to come to a game, come to Alabama.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
It's belief. You got to believe it. And so that's
that's the type of person I am.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
How big is the chip on your shoulder?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
It's huge.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
A lot of people say I can't, I can't play
in the NFL, and so you know, SEC is the
closest thing to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
So shoot, I'm I'm here to prove it.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So I don't even know. Were you recruited out of
high school by any major college?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I had to.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
I had Division two offers, but I went junior college.
You know, it's a lot of a lot of people
go junior college. But I had the grades, but I
still had to go junior college and then went to
New Mexico State and then falled.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Coach kill coach.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Back over here, what's h watching game film going to
be like, we we watched it already, Oh you did, okay? Yeah, yeah, no,
it was it was. It was good.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
I almost screwed us though. At the end of the half,
I took a delayed game. I felt like a rookie.
That was bad.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Though you were a fifth year senior. You're not supposed
to make these mistakes.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah, you know what I mean. I you know, I'm
kind of short.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
So when I see when I see the game clock,
you know, the field goal, the goalpost is hanging in
my face and I thought there was another number right there,
but I took a delayed game.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Coach Kill was pissed.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Now he says he's kind of short. It says, you're
six feet that's give me, give me a give me
with your hair. I'm gonna give you six feet. I
don't know. Give me official height and wait here diego
official height.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Pro day, I'll be measured at five ten one eighth
m and my weight I'll probably be like two o four,
between two four to two seven.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah. It could be like Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah yeah, super Bowl champion.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Is there going to be a statue uh after a
win like that? I don't Vanderbilt doesn't usually do these things.
They don't celebrate sports the way normal schools do. I'm
thinking maybe a statue on campus.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
You didn't put a statue in me on campus?
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Yeah, I think I think we gotta do something bigger.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Something bigger. What what's bigger than a statue?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Shoot, we got we got bigger dreams than this, and
this is just oh okay.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I just thought, you know what you said, this win
will change lives. You could have that statue right outside
the stadium. Every time they go there, they get to
rub your head because most people be taller than you.
You know, you're only five ten, so.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I thought they make statues bigger than what you really are.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah. Uh, so you got Kentucky. Don't sleep on Kentucky.
Don't don't sleep on Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
The truth, Yes, the truth, and a lot of people don't.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Really.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
They are freaking good, very good on defense.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Top And by the way, I'm proud of you that
you didn't swear the entire interview.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
They told me not to swear before the interview, so
I'm good on Yeah, I mean you.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Were swearing after the game on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
No, I know, I know that that was my bad.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, you know, hey, you get one of those, hopefully
you get more. But congratulations, do you have to go
to class? Are you going to school?
Speaker 6 (25:00):
On there?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
They make you go to school over here.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
This is in New Mexico. State.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I got a funny story.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
I got here and I was like, can you just
put me on the all online classes? Look to be crazy,
Like there's no online. This is Vanderbilt now.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, this is uh you know, you're you're in the
IVY League of the South there. You got to go to.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Class Harvard of the South. Yeah, but I like the
community here. It's the people are awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Well congrats, that was a lot of fun. And uh,
once again, don't screw it up against Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, knock on woolf from me.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
Please all right, uh, thank you, diego, No, I appreciate
you having me.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Uh diego. Pabia the Vanderbilt quarterback. He was at New
Mexico State, transferred there. Jerry Kill was there, had health
issues and then became sort of an advisor Vanderbilt, and
he's like, hey, come on down, that's not the place
you want to go play quarterback. But they were the
better team. You know, that's not one of those where
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you go, what that lucky play that lucky called. They
were the better team. Yeah, Paulie, that's what's.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
The best about this job. If you would have said
a month ago, we're gonna have the Vandy quarterback as
one of our lead guests on Monday.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That kid I was watching, we.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Were probably watching on a Thursday night game on some
RSN at New Mexico State two or three years ago,
and he'll be the lead guest.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
That's awesome. Coming up final Hour the new Reds manager
Terry Francona. I thought he was retiring after leaving The Guardian,
so we'll talk to him. Tiger's at the Guardians today, Royals,
Yankees and Saints and the Chiefs coming up tonight. The
Chiefs are giving five and a half to the Saints.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
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Speaker 2 (26:54):
I saw the story that Terry Francona was going to
become the Reds manager, and I'm thinking, wait a minute,
good he retired. He stepped away from the Guardians. Terry
Frankcona joining us on the program. What happened to retirement?
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Hello? Dan? You know what. I stepped away a year
ago because I just didn't think my health was allowing
me to do the job appropriately. Wasn't for any other reason.
I loved being in Cleveland. The people were fantastic, the
people I worked for, but I felt like I was
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kind of short changing some people. And I stepped away
for a year and kind of took care of myself
and had a semi normal life and did not expect
to be interviewing for jobs. But when the Reds reached
out and we talked, it just felt right. And that
was how it felt the first day in Cleveland, and
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that's how it felt here. It just felt right.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
What was it like to wear normal clothes for an
entire year?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, if you know me at all, that means I
have three pair of jeans and like, you know, four
golf shirts. And but one of my favorite things in
the whole world is get into the ballpark, you know,
getting in your slide and shorts and your and your
shower shoes and figuring out how you're going to beat
somebody's ass that night. That's one of my favorite things.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
But Okay, sometimes when you step away. You see coaches
do this in the NFL all the time, Well they'll
step away, And what kind of clarity did you get
and how does that help you health wise of going
right back into what you were trying to get away.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
From That's that's actually an honest and fair question. One.
I don't think I'm ever going to have perspective.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I think at this age wins and losses. The losses
kill me, and that's I don't think that's ever going
to change. I really have tried to take care of
myself and get myself in a position where I can
do the job appropriately. Now there's gonna be some challenges.
I know, you know, we're gonna get into the season
and late nights and stuff, and I'm gonna have to
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be aware of that. That's the best I can do.
I do think I'm in a way better position health
wise where I can actually go do this job.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Who did you consult?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I didn't talk well. I talked to my three girls
and one of my best friends, but nobody. I didn't
want anybody to know. And I told the Reds guys
that too. I said, hey, man, I need to keep this.
And so they came out to my house and visited
with me in Tucson and we talked for about five hours,
and right away we hit it off pretty well and
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it was a comfortable conversation. Into my my palm started
getting a little sweaty, and I'm like, okay, you know
this is this is getting real.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
What'd the guardians say?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
You know what, There's not a person there that you
could you could find that I would say something negative about.
They're the nicest people I've ever worked for. Like I said,
when I stepped down, it wasn't because I was disappointed
in people. I just didn't think I was doing the
job appropriately and it was getting harder for me, and
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I was becoming short on patience just because you know,
when you don't feel good, and that's not healthy for
a manager.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
How often do you think about the Red Sox World
Series Champs?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Not very often. I mean, I get people will remind
me of it when I'm out in public or something.
But I'm actually afraid, you know, they did that thirty
for thirty thing, and I'm actually afraid to watch it
because I'm afraid we might lose because there seemed like
there's so many things that could have gone wrong and
we would have lost. But I'm you know, I enjoyed it,
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like it was probably the four funnest baseball days of
my life. But I'm pretty good about moving on and
staying in the moment.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
But do you think how many of your players are
going to know that you were the manager of the
Red Sox and one World Series titles.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
You know what, Dan, I'm not sure I care about that. Okay,
they don't need to know that. What they need to
know is that I have their best interest at heart
and I want to make the Reds be the best
team we can be. I think in this game, it's
not what you did. You got to keep earning your
stripes every day, like I hate the world. Well, this
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guy arrived, Man, we're all still arriving, and the day
you think you've arrived, you're missing the boat.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Talking to Terry Francona, the new manager of the Cincinnati Reds.
We've seen this with smaller market teams management ownership, where
they say, hey, we're a smaller market, we can't spend money,
we can't compete. But you are seeing some of these
other markets that maybe didn't spend a lot of money
that are competing in the postseason. That's no longer an excuse.
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Do you think for a smaller mid market teams.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, you know what, it'll never be an excuse ever,
you know, I think, being just completely honest it's not
altogether fair the way the system is set up. But
I'm I'll never you'll never hear me use that an excuse. Man.
I was in Boston where we were kind of one
of the halves, you know that. I went to Cleveland
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and it was a little different. But I was very
careful never to say, because my job is to get
the most out of whoever we have, and that's what
I get a big kick out of. I don't need
to be the GM or the president. I mean, shoot, man,
I went to the University of Arizona and I'm a
second semester freshman. I don't need to be dabbling in
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that kind of stuff. I just want to do baseball.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Wait, you didn't make it through your second semester at Arizona.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Well, I mean, I know, I mean I was there,
But that's what that's what my thing says. On the
second I had some difficulties.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Take me back to when we were in Arizona. When
you're managing Michael Jordan, When you first get how does
that work out that all of a sudden Jordan's going
to be on your team and you're managing him.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Well, it happened so in Sarasota. When I was with
the White Sox as a double A manager. We used
to meet at seven am in the morning every morning
in this trailer and you need to go over the day.
And I was kind of like half asleep, and all
of a sudden I heard Michael will be assigned to
the Birmingham work group. And my life changed like that.
(33:30):
I mean, I went from just being happy that our
games were on radio to dealing with people like you know,
Ted Copple and so. And I didn't know it at
the time, but it was probably the greatest learning experience
I'd ever been put in. And then when he was
going to play in the Fall leg I had already
been in the Fall League, so they wanted to kind
of keep it, but he said, he goes I want
(33:52):
him because they think he knew I knew the lay
of the land, and I learned how to navigate his life.
And he was great, man. I mean, I'm telling you.
The first thing I told him, I said, Michael, you
got to respect the game of baseball. And I kind
of explained to him, like how much money these kids
(34:13):
weren't making. And you'd have a hard time getting me
to say something negative about him. He was awesome, But.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
If you had had him, you know, so much of
baseball is like hockey, Like you've done it. It's repetitive.
It's year after year after year. You can be the
greatest athlete, but to try to jump in you unless
you're Bo Jackson. But you know, it's really really rare.
What would you have had Michael Wart?
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Like?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Could you have made him a legitimate major leaguer? A starter?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
When I get asked that, I think the way I've
answered it always it's because I believe it is you
need to get a thousand that bats under your belt
before you can even make a determination. He had about
four or five hundred. I also found out, when can
you tell him no, He's going to find a way
to make the answer be yes. And I've found out,
(35:07):
And I mean that's not just baseball, that's ping pong, tennis, golf.
I don't care what yatzi you name it. Man, he's
he's gonna try to beat you. He canna find a way.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Uh, you get to see more of Otani now that
you're in the National League. That's good news for you.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
That's wonderful. Thanks for that. Just made my day a
little worse.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
What do you does anybody come to mind? Let's just
say hitting with Otani, let's leave out pitching, But who
comes to mind.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
That's the one thing about Otani that I don't think.
He's generational, Like his talent is generational. I don't know
that you can put a name with him. It's probably
disrespectful to him. I mean, this kid is and from
all I've heard, he's a wonderful kid, and he loves baseball,
which is really good for the game, not necessarily so
(35:57):
good for when you're playing them.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Would you know the pitching parts of the hard part?
We've seen what he can do when he's not pitching.
You know, he's stealing nearly sixty bases and he's hitting
fifty home runs value wise, would you capitalize more on
him the hitter all around player as or would you
try to split it like they've done before with him?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
You know what, Dan, I haven't been around him enough
to know how it will work or what's best for him.
I do know if you have a guy that can
probably win eighteen twenty games as a pitcher and hit
fifty home runs, you're probably gonna be pretty happy with him.
I mean, who would have thought he might be underpaid.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
It's true. How do you assess Elie de la Cruz
like his future.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Ultra ultra talented athletic. You know, he's kind of kid
that people want to watch play.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Is he an Eric Davis type talent?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
You know what, That's actually a pretty good name. It's
actually a pretty good name. I'm trying to be a
little careful because I haven't even met these guys yet,
but I'm looking forward to it, and I will start
that problem. Like I've talked to everybody on the team already,
but I haven't met a lot of them. But I'm
looking forward to getting with him because he is some
kind of talent.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Wait, how does that work? You get like a call
sheet and then you're just calling everybody? Or did you
do a big conference call?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
No? No, no, I called every single guy. In fact,
I was a kidding during the press conference, our general
manager Brad sent me a list of names and the
list was so small. Did I end up literally talking
to some US citizens about spreading the word about Red's
(37:44):
baseball because I was getting wrong numbers. I couldn't read
the numbers. Had a couple of people tell me like,
hey man, we don't care about the Reds. I'm like,
how can you not care about the Reds?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
You play on the team.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I live in South Carolina, and you know so I
told them, you know, you gotta make the printing a
little bit bigger.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
You probably still have a flip phone, don't you.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
No, But I'll tell you what I do have. I
have an S which is what that's one of the old,
old old phones, because because I know how to use it.
In fact, I told our I T guy, he just
left here a minute ago. I said, you need to
go buy some etc. Because your world just got a
little tougher.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Well, welcome to Cincinnati and welcome back. Good to talk
to you.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Again, Dan, thanks so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Take it Terry. Frankcona and the redis manager. Three time
Manager of the Year, won a couple of World Series titles.
You know, there are certain people you meet, and he
never changed even when he won, he didn't change. We're
at Yankee Stadium during the ALCS. They're about to be
(38:56):
swept like his his demeanor never changed. And I could
see why he was the perfect manager for that veteran
team with the Dodgers, because he kind of lets you,
you know, get ready. You know, he trusted you, and
it worked out great. And then all of a sudden,
at the very end, it felt like they were like, oh,
(39:16):
you know what, they're taking advantage Jim. He's too nice.
I mean he is nice. He's too nice. But lad
he's back in baseball. I go out to the Fall
League in Scottsdale, and I'm going to meet Charles Barkley
out there. We're going to do a conversation for ESPN,
the Sunday Conversation with Michael Jordan. So Jordan's agreed to
(39:38):
let Charles do it, but I have to go out
because I have to help Charles do this. We get
there and Michael is not having a good day. He's
in his uniform. We're sitting in the dugout, Charles is there,
and then I'm next to Charles. Well, I know I've
gone all the way out there. Now Terry is the manager.
I know I've gone all the way out there, and
(40:00):
Michael is not doing this interview. And Charles knows that
Michael's not doing this interview. Therefore, I realized we're not
doing this interview. And I had sold this to my
bosses at ESPN. I said, hey, Charles said, he'll do
the interview with Jordan. I'm going to go out with him.
It's a big deal. We get there and Mike, I
(40:26):
don't even know if he acknowledged me, like he was
having a bad day about something. And you can just
see him with his arms folded and he is looking
out to the field. Charles is there looking out to
whatever Michael's looking out to. And then I'm kind of
lost in the moment, like I just whiffed on this.
(40:47):
I just whiffed. And there's a picture that I have
and it tells everything. It's like he's not having a
good day. Therefore he's not having a good day. Therefore
he's not having a good day. You would be correct.
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