November 7, 2024 • 57 mins
Dan reacts to last night's NBA action. After their win over the Celtics, are the Warriors the team to beat in the West? Vincent Goodwill discusses today's NBA headlines and debates with Dan over the greatest players from the past. Cris Collinsworth joins the show to preview tonight's TNF matchup and breaks down the Bengals season. And former Alabama QB Greg McElroy stops by talks about the 12 team CFB playoff and today's NIL situation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Bengals are getting six against the Ravens. The over
unders fifty three, so they're expecting some points here. And
in case you're in fantasy and you're wondering, what do
they think for Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow is going to
have a big passing night, Derrick Henry. The over under
is eighty nine and a half against the Bengals lamar
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over under a fifty yards rushing. So it'll be one
of those situations with the Cincinnati Bengals. And by the way,
I was looking at their odds to make the playoffs,
the Bengals odds to make the playoffs are better than
the Broncos, the Buccaneers, and the Cardinals, which might surprise
you if they can get through this next wave of games.
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So you have this game with Baltimore, you have the
Chargers coming up, you have the Cowboys, you have the Steelers,
and then towards the end of the season, it's not
a murderers row there. I think they end the season
with Pittsburgh. Now what is that going to mean for
either one of these teams? But this feels like last
call for the Cincinnati Bengals, if you're going to put
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up a good fight, and I'm waiting for that defense
to be a whole lot better than it's been. Joe
Burrow's been really good, really good. Now you want to
see if that defense can stand up against the high
powered Baltimore offense. Speaking of offense, I'm watching Golden State
last night because we spent a lot of time talking about, oh,
what's it going to be like Steve Kerr going to Boston.
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He didn't play Jason Tatum. And it wasn't Steve Kerr's
fault that Jalen Brown didn't make the roster, just to
let you know, maybe he had a say in it,
but there are other people who were forming the roster.
But he didn't play Jason Tatum. So we were waiting
to see, is Jason Tatum going to go for eighty
points last night? Well he didn't. He played really really
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well and Steve Kerr went in there and got the win.
Here is Jason Tatum after the loss.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Jason, seems like you want to put the drama around
the Olympics behind you. The fans seem to lean into
the drama. How much, if at all, was that on
your mind and how much do you think impacted your game.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
It wasn't on my mind. Just another Wednesday, another game,
another opportunity to come in and try to be the
best player I can be in another day, to just
try to get a win.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I mean it's a tough question to answer, and as
you could see, Jason Tatum gave him nothing. Yeah, he
does want to put this behind him. I don't think
he wants to have this always lingering. And now you're
gonna play Golden State one more time in the regular season,
so maybe it comes up then. But last night, pretty much,
in my opinion, put an end to it. You want
a gold medal. Here's Steve Kerr.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
Last night, I don't give it a whole lot of
thought other than yeah, I didn't enjoy, you know, not
playing Jason against Serbia, not playing Joel against South Sudan.
Those are not fun decisions. But our guys were all amazing.
They committed to each other, they committed to winning the
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gold medal, they brought brought the gold home for their country.
They all handled themselves with incredible dignity and class.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
And that's the real story.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Okay, all right, we done anything else to see here. Yeah, seen.
I mean it's not like they lost. I know, it's
not like they didn't medal.
Speaker 8 (03:33):
It's not like we're saying, like, what went wrong for
Team USA in this last Olympics?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Why didn't he play Tatum? What the hell?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
They could have won the gold medal by six points
Tatum had played. They rolled like they won. They won
thanks to the old guys, Steph KD and Lebron. By
the way, Lebron last night, he's thirty nine years of age.
He had thirty nine. They got blown out though they
lost by seventeen. So he's had had three games of
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thirty nine or more since he turned thirty nine. The
only person who has done that Michael Jordan.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Come on, Woo.
Speaker 8 (04:14):
Stand a day, stanlea day, stand outa day, Stantata day.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
This is the stule of the day.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I was trying to build up the drama, but then
I realized that what were you going to say, Robert Parrish,
maybe Vince Carter.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
No, it's Michael ol Jeffrey Jordan Junior.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
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Speaker 9 (04:59):
Yes, quick side bet NBA if anyone would like to
do it. Okay, I don't know what Lebron's stats are
right now, it's too early in the season. I really
judge them, but they're pretty good. Michael Jordan's last year
when he was thirty nine years old. Oh, he started
sixty seven games. He played thirty seven minutes per game,
by the way, and he averaged twenty points, six rebounds
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for assists.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I'll take Lebron's numbers across the board, yes, yes, maybe
not minutes, yes, like you could see and I remember
when Mike was playing with the Wizards, there was a
drop off, but because the sky was so high for
Mike that there had to be a drop off. Lebron
is not His game is not predicated by explosive moves
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like he just understands the game. He's so you know, talented,
being that big, physical and and Mike needed, you know,
getting from point A to point B. He was so quick,
he was catlike, and then you could see that he
was certainly not that kind of player anymore. Now, I
could still get you thirty a night if he wanted to.
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But Lebron, I mean, I'm watching Lebron and there's not
much of a drop off.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Can he get twenty five and a quarter like he
did before? No, but he still has that ability to
be a top ten player in the NBA at age
thirty nine, which is remarkable. It's just you're looking at
the Lakers here, and I know we gave Jj Redick's flowers.
That's why we're only a couple weeks into the season.
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I mean, how about we wait until after Christmas and
then we go. Okay, I got a pretty good idea,
Jj redikin coach. This Laker team is competitive. One thing
I will point out watching last night, Golden State plays defense.
I know when we think of Golden State, you think threes.
He thinks Steph Curry and rightfully so when they win,
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they win because they play great defense. They got a
deep bench, and are they gonna miss Klay Thompson yes,
but Buddy Healed is really good. He comes off the bench.
He made four threes last night, he finished with sixteen points.
I mean, it's not that much of a drop off,
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and you're gonna play ten or eleven players right now. Now,
that won't be the case, you know, in February. But
I got to limit steps minutes every single night. I
don't need him, I don't want him. I should say
to be the guy who's got to get thirty five
a night. If he can give me twenty six, I'm
good with that, but I gotta limit his minutes. Golden
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State plays defense, Oklahoma City plays defense. Those are two
of the best teams right now in the West. Golden State,
what's there? They're uh, seven and.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
One, seven and one.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oklahoma City is probably seven and one as well. But
they play defense, and that's you know, we don't talk
about that very often. It's almost like when you go
back to the running rebels of UNLV in the early nineties.
They put up a lot of points, but they got
kick started on defense to put up those points. They
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were great on turnovers in transition. They played wonderful defense
led by Stacy Augman. But this gets lost sometimes where
we go. Man, the NBA just about shooting threes, it is,
But if you want to take that next step, you
want to be a championship caliber team, you got to
play defense.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
At some point.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
You got to be able to stop somebody because everybody
else is able to score.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
What do you do differently?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And I think what Golden State has done, and I
told you that's my pick to win the West. They
play defense as long as everybody's staying healthy. They got
some young players too who were contributing. That's another big deal.
Now do I think Boston's going to be there at
the end? I do, And I think Jason Tatum is
going to be the MVP. And when Jalen Brown is there,
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I mean that's really a balanced you know, obviously a
great lineup there. But last night it was kind of
fun to see Golden State go in there, the reaction
that they wanted it to be something. It just didn't
turn out to be something.
Speaker 10 (09:14):
Yes, Marv, So yesterday you were talking about who's going
to shoot more three points?
Speaker 11 (09:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (09:19):
What do you think the turnout was.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
As far as Boston versus Golden State?
Speaker 11 (09:23):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I would say Boston by twenty.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yes, I think I had him shooting fifty five.
Speaker 10 (09:31):
They shot fifty four, okay, and the Warriors shot thirty four.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Wow, I hate seeing it. And look, I love outside shooting.
I just there's so much more to basketball than that.
And it's it goes back to what I've said, and
I know this is on repeat, but it's baseball where
it's just about home runs a strikeouts, it's about making
a three or missing a three, and basketball is really
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about movement. And when you you see it and Golden State,
Steph Curry never stops. Never. I love the fact that
he moves. You know, one of my favorite players was
John Havelchak. If you're old enough to remember the Celtics,
he never stopped. It's really hard or it's a whole
lot harder to try to guard somebody who's moving. Reggie
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Miller reg never stop moving, you know, Rip Hamilton, never
stop moving. And that, to me, that's basketball movement. Now
it's just five five on the perimeter and you're like, okay,
all right, and then you move it around, move it around,
move it around, move around, and then somebody takes a three.
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I hope we get teams that will be just like
the Ravens the Ravens are running the football. We're seeing
teams running the football more because everybody is geared up
to stop the past. Maybe you see somebody, I just
don't know what you would do a Shack if Shack
came out now or Yao, Ming came out right now,
what do you do? Those guys just stay down low?
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Is Shaq going to be shooting threes? Which is not
good for anybody, Like even Zach Edie who's played well,
Like you just see these big men and you're like, man,
he looks out of place. But I wonder what would
the what would that team do, What would their offensive
philosophy philosophy be if they had Shack, Because I would
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just say, Shack.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Go down low.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
You're going to get fifty tonight. This is Wilt Chamberlain
in the early sixties. Just go down there, we're going
to get fifty.
Speaker 9 (11:34):
Yes, Paulen, you'd need a GM in the NBA to
defy analytics and become a two point team that pounded
it down low and slowed down the game. And I
don't know if that guy could get hired in this NBA.
It's like it can't happen because they won't even let
it get.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Started, but I make you double team Shack.
Speaker 11 (11:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Now everybody on the perimeter is going to be even
better because your looks are going to be open. I'm
gonna say, Shack's getting the ball, go down there.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Hope this version of Shaq would make free throws, but
that that would have to be mandatory. Shaq, I'm gonna
throw you the ball every single time. You got to
make your free throws.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Derek Patrick, shut though up.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I think Shaq joins US next week so I can
ask him about this. You know, what would the NBA
be like if he was there? One other thing? And
it's coming up, I believe next week. And I guess
it's the fight that the world is waiting for. It's
Mike Tyson fighting Jake Paul. I didn't know the world
was waiting for it. And hey, look, maybe you're gonna
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go out and buy the fight.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Good for you.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I think the undercard is is pretty good. But Mike
is fifty seven years of age and I think Jake
Paul is twenty seven, so thirty year difference.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
And I know Mike.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
He's putting out these hype videos and you know, so
I'm hearing the commercials for this, it's it's the fight
the world wants to see. I've been around a lot
of these fights where they try to hype him up,
whether it was Jerry Cooney fighting Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson
going against Marvis Frasier or Michael Space, and there's part
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of you like, I just want Mike to come out
of this alive, not damaged, not hurt. And it's weird
to say because Mike's an underdog here, but I'm listening
to that commercial and I go, I don't want to
watch it. I don't, but I am. I am curious about, like,
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why would Mike do this?
Speaker 11 (13:37):
Now?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
You can say money, but really.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
I think he's doing pretty well these days, Mike. Yeah, yeah,
I think he's doing pretty well.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Okay, but why why do this? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I just hope that, you know, because people might go,
what's the big deal about Mike Tyson? You know a
generation that never saw him, and be like, uh, google
him and then you'll get a better sense. But do
I want to see him now fight Evander Holyfield or
is he gonna fight I don't know any other influencer?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yes, Ton, And.
Speaker 10 (14:13):
It's an actual sanctioned fight, like this is gonna.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Go on their record, that's somebody actually sanctioned them.
Speaker 8 (14:19):
I wonder if part of it is because I know
that I'm not even necessarily like a boxing fan, but
I mean, I enjoy it. But when I look at
Jake paulm like, that dude's not a real boxer, And
I could only imagine how intense that feeling could be
if I was once, say, a former heavyweight champion of
the world, and like, my sport is in tatters, and
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there's YouTubers out now who are kind of like the
biggest boxer in the world.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Why don't I go show them what a real boxer
looks like.
Speaker 8 (14:48):
I feel like that if I was a former professional boxer,
I feel like I would take it very seriously.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Like that poser, that pos is ruining my sport. It's
trying to act like he's me.
Speaker 8 (14:59):
Yeah, he's trying to act like he's accomplishing the same
things that I did against real fighters.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
No way.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
Yeah, Mark, And also Mike Tyson has a real Tiger
Woods feel to him. No matter what, you're still like,
he still got a shot. Yeah, because maybe the generation
previously it's still like but you don't. You didn't see
what we saw. And I still think he has a chance.
Anytime Tyer gets into a tournament, I think he can
do it, and I think that's what Mike Tyson brings
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to the table.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I think Mike has a better chance winning than Tiger
does because Tiger I don't think is healthy enough to
play four consecutive days. Mike needs one punch, and it
feels like most of America is rooting for that one punch,
Like I'm just rooting for.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
My I like Mike.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I don't know Jake Paul We've never you know, had
Jake Paul on, and we won't have Jake Paul on
or his brother, Chris Cliff Paul. I don't know he's
got another brother. I don't know if he is. He
a boxer too, Logan Logan Paul Sure, okay, I think
that's it.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Logan po Yeah, just sort of.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
A sidebar there on the Mike Tyson.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
The world is waiting for this fight. I don't think
I am. I didn't even know when it was.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I know it got postponed because Mike had an ulcer,
so he had the whatever the episode.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
When he was on a flight and They're like, we're
gonna have to cancel this.
Speaker 10 (16:26):
I wasn't feeling very love that mat.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
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Speaker 2 (16:43):
Vincent Goodwill is back. How great was Vincent? You know
when we had him? What a wonderful debut, No pressure whatsoever.
The Good Word podcast on Yahoo and a host of
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Great to have you on a get well. Look at
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the shoes behind you, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Look at that.
Speaker 10 (17:08):
That's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Okay, the number one seed, give me the number one
seed of your shoes behind you?
Speaker 11 (17:16):
Back there, it's probably the Air Jordan wants, the original
Air Jordan's. It looks like they're the top over this show. Yeah,
at the very top lows. Not the best shoe I
have in my closet, but the best shoe on the wall.
You can't have your best stuff on the wall.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Okay, your best shoe is what?
Speaker 11 (17:35):
Wow, Dan, I'm gonna embarrass myself because I might not know. Okay,
you know what the Jordan three, the cement, the cement,
black cement, Jordan three. Remember the free throw line dunk
he did an All Star weekend in Chicago in nineteen
eighty eight. I was all three years old, and that
particular shoe where you stepped on the free throw line.
He did the flying in the air thing. You know
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that thing?
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Okay, are you married?
Speaker 11 (18:00):
If I was? I'm not sure if this shoe away.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
That's a single guy's wall right there, Vincent, that is.
Speaker 11 (18:11):
Look, man, his shoes come with the package.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
My man.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Oh all right. The New Look Warriors, I love them.
They're might team out West. They got youth. You still
have veterans there. I don't know if this philosophy of
their game plan is any different than it was years ago.
Maybe they don't shoot as many threes. They are playing
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great defense. Assess the Golden State Warriors after last night's
win in Boston.
Speaker 11 (18:42):
I think you said it, man. Their defense is much
more aggressive. And remember the key to that death lineup
and everything else that they were doing in the early
aughts was how aggressive their defense was. Is set up
their offense. It's set up the pace that the NBA
hadn't gotten used to do at that point. You saw
how they were trapping Jason Tatum at half court yesterday,
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forcing backcourt violations and traveling violations like those things make
teams uncomfortable, and the Boston Celtics are the most comfortable
offensive team in the NBA. Because you want teams to
take threes, the Celtics want to take threes. And outside
of that third quarter where the Celtics scored forty points
after not scoring forty in the first half, the Warriors
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kind of kept them at bay and poshed them off
in the fourth quarter even after going down six. Then
I'm not sure if this means anything, Like, I'm being
very careful about the level of competition that they've played.
Even though Stephen Curry has missed a few games. Their
net rating is pretty damn hot. I think they're like
plus twelve point three, but they haven't played a lot
of people. The thing I am encouraged by is all
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of these young pieces on affordable contracts. You know what
that means. Hey, if you want to come and have
a news since we're having relationship analogies here on Play
Love Doctor, Hey, if you're a player under your last
year your contract, and you're not feeling great at your home.
You know you want to try a new place out.
Why don't you come over to the Bay Area Because
we win championships here and we have Stephen Curry here.
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They need one more shot creator, Dan, for me to
really believe in them, and you never know who that
player is going to be. But they have the assets
to make the move possible, and that's something a lot
of teams don't have.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
How did the Celtics not win the East?
Speaker 11 (20:25):
Ooh? Have you looked at the Milwaukee Bucks and the
Philadelphia seventy six ers. Have you seen their movies? Because
I've seen their movies. They're both one and six. No
team has gone one in six and made the playoffs.
I think in like fifty years of some crazy stat
like that. I think the question you have to ask
Dan is in what world do the Celtics not repeat?
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I think they have broken the math of basketball in
terms of how many threes were taking, how many threes
were taking approximate to the style we play, as far
as not shooting anything else. Like everybody talks about the
Warriors of vintage era, but they maybe took thirty percent
of their shots from three. Maybe thirty three percent of
their shots from three. I haven't checked recently, but as
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of a week ago, the Celtics were taking nearly half
of their shots from three and they look comfortable doing it.
Remember last night, we can talk all about the Golden
State Warriors and how great they looked on the road,
and they did look great. But the Celtics, the champions,
were missing two of their three best players and Christaps
Porzingis and Jalen Brown and still almost pulled that win off.
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And Jason Tatum only had a great third quarter. He
did not have a great game. He did not put
his stamp on the game. And getting still because of
the math that the Celtics have implemented, a math that
I'm not necessarily a fan of. They've broken the game
and they might win because of the math.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Okay, I brought this up first hour.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
If Shaq was coming into the NBA, how would you
utilize shack in today's NBA where it's about shooting the
three pointer? If Yao Ming was coming in any of
these post players, does somebody get around too, Maybe they
have a counter attack, and that is we're gonna make
you pay inside. We're going to dominate you because nobody's
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really geared towards stopping anybody inside, not even Rudy Gobert.
So how would you use Shaq today.
Speaker 11 (22:19):
If you're saying Shaquille O'Neil at twenty years old is
coming into the league, not Shaquille O'Neill coming down the
prep path. My fear is that Shaquille O'Neil coming down
the prep path, they would try to turn him into
a three point shooter and not into maybe one of
the most dominant players we've ever seen. That'd be the consign.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
So shack doesn't happen.
Speaker 11 (22:38):
In your opinion, I think everybody thinks they're smart. I
think the name of the game is get as close
to the basket as you can possibly get and dunk
on everyone. Dan, you're not seven feet taller, neither are my,
but I can dream, and I think that if if
Shaquille O'Neill was a rookie coming out of LSU with
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the physical gifts that he'd had, you surround him with
shooting and you try to protect him as far as
the pick and roll and probably trying to keep him
away from the perimeter. But you dumping down to that
big dude with all the spacing, Dan, you can't double
them without leaving someone butt naked, wide open and your
bigs get in foul trouble and you control pace. So
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I do think there's a way in today's game that
someone that's special can do it. The problem is, Dan,
it takes someone that's special for you to change the
way that you play the game. Not just a really
good post center, not in alonzone morning, not a Patrick Ewing,
really good Hall of famers in their own right. But
you're saying the top of the top Shaquille O'Neill would
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be the only person to break the trend of the
way the game is played. That to me is alarming.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
He's Vincent Goodwill, host of Good Word podcast on Yahoo's
Ball Don't Lie Channel, Yahoo's Sports, senior NBA reporter. If
I was going to take the most unstompable players of
all time, let's say top five, they cannot be stopped
in their prime, can't be stopped.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Who would you put.
Speaker 11 (24:13):
If you're giving me, if we're given, are you doing
positions or we're.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Just doing most unstoppable players of all time?
Speaker 11 (24:21):
Well, let me say this that big dude that we
just talked about, Shaquille O'Neill from a stress from nineteen
ninety nine to two thousand and two. I know it's
a very small arena, but there was no one and
nothing stopping that man because of his athleticism, his dexterity,
his sheer strength. Right, let's have him there. Now, I'm saying,
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let's go to the greatest player of all time at
the peak of his powers, from like say, nineteen ninety
to nineteen ninety three, and that's Michael Jordan. Where in
a game that was based on the big man, remember
the illegal defense rules, the handshaking and everything else, Michael Jordan,
that's six foot six and two hundred and ten pounds,
was dominating a game that was made for the big man,
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and he was doing it with his level of physicality.
So we're gonna have him there, Okay, Lebron James from
two thousand and nine to twenty thirteen when he almost
won unanimous MVP. We can have him there where you know,
the athleticism, the both ends of the floor, the fury. Right,
have him there. Now. It gets interesting because you're asking me,
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where does Stephen Curry fit into that? Because of once
again breaking the math right in terms of the three
point shooting. You have to defend him from half court.
You have to defend him at all points of the floor,
including when he does not have the ball. And then
I got a surprise for you. I gotta I gotta
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wink wink nod for you. You're choosing to me between
Larry Joe, Bird, Hakeem Elijahwan right, I think those are
no no, who am I missing? Who am I missing?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Kareem Abdul Jabbar is the greatest, greatest, most unstoppable score
of all time in modern era. No one ever, ever
ever stopped Kareem with the skyhook. It was unstoppable. The
other person I'd put in there is Kevin Durant. I
think Kevin Durant is unstoppable. I think that he can
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get what he wants to get when he wants to
get it. I wouldn't put a Keem in there. A
Keem was just might be the best two way player
in the history of the sport and one of the
most underrated. Larry Joe had a three year run where
he was unstoppable. But I like I can look at
the totality of Kevin Durant's career. He's unstoppable. Lebron had
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thirty nine last night, So I'm going to factor in
longevity with this as well. I thought Iverson was unstoppable
as well.
Speaker 11 (26:55):
I disagree on that one, okay. I think Iverson was relentless.
The style in which he played. You can put Allen
Iverson with Jahn Morant and Russell Westbrook and guys that
just keep coming at you. Like the scene in Rocky
two where Duke was talking about talking to Apollo Creed.
That man beat you, was getting beat within an ende
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of his life and he just kept coming. That's Allan Iverson,
That's Russell Westbrook, that's John Morant, that's not Kareem abdul Jabbar.
And I think your point about Kevin Durant is well taken.
I don't look at longevity. I look at the fact
that he's had an Achilles and an MCL and we
don't even think about that when factoring in the Kevin
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Durant that we're watching now, who's a walking fifty to
forty ninety that is very comparable to Larry Bird Dan.
I can't believe you, of all people missed to go
in the Crates. You're going to dispute me talking about
Larry Bird playing them ugly flat ass confer shoes with
those spots in the Boston Garden.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Artie Bencent, it feels like you're profiling me.
Speaker 11 (27:59):
Absolutely, I am profound, and I'm sure you don't take a.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Fits to it.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, then I got to throw in Jerry West in
there too, and uh uh, George Mike and and John Havelchek.
Speaker 11 (28:12):
I don't think you go back that far. I'm not
going to send you back that far.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Look, I got to see Bird in those years up close,
and he was the guy game on the line. That's
the only guy that I wanted taking the shot.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It's weird and unstoppable, Like no one could stop Kareem
from doing what he was doing, Mike down low when
he was on the post, and then he would hit
that fade away. Unstoppable. I think Durant mid range game
is unstoppable.
Speaker 11 (28:42):
So those see I think you're missing. So I think
we It's funny how we have turned Michael Jordan. You
just did it. You turned Michael Jordan into this free
throw line and down player who hit the fade away.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
No, I'm talking about a signature move.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I'm talking about signature no, no, well due drive into
the basket and dunking on you.
Speaker 11 (29:05):
That must the unstoppable dude.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Well, he had a go to move when he was
getting beat up going to the hoop. He started taking
guys down low on his hip and then shooting that shot.
So I'm talking about Kareem with the skyhook, Durant mid
range jumper, Lebron driving right handed to the hoop. Like,
there's certain things even Jordan talked about if Lebron gets
you on his hip and he's going.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
To the hoop, you can't stop him. That's kind of
what I'm like.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
There were signature moves that guys made where you knew
what was happening and you couldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
You know, Like Bird would say to Xavier.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
McDaniel, x I'm gonna get the ball, I'm a fake left,
I'm gonna shoot go back right, I'm gonna hit the
jumper right in your face, and then he did, Okay,
that's unstoppable.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
So that's what I was kind of going for.
Speaker 11 (29:51):
Well, Dan, you or your honor, you did not make
your instructions clear to the jury.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Oh no, no, this was this was an addendum to
that that I was looking for most unstoppable offensive players
and got.
Speaker 11 (30:03):
You, and we did short Kareem, and I did short
Kareem shoot the bar even before. Look, Dan, I can
admit when I'm wrong. I live in the crates Kareem
before the Slowdown, before nineteen eighty five, Kareem was the
most unstoppable basketball player to walk the face of the earth.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
All right, Okay, who's your NBA Finals pick?
Speaker 12 (30:27):
Dan?
Speaker 11 (30:27):
Is it too early?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
No?
Speaker 5 (30:29):
No, we have preseason predictions. Uh huh, like you can't
wait till Christmas. What's going on here?
Speaker 11 (30:38):
Okay, here's what I will say, Dan, And I'm not
saying I'm wishing for this to happen because I don't
know if I want to spend a week in Oklahoma City,
but I feel like it's going to be Oklahoma City
in Boston, right. I'm rooting for real estate. If I'm
going to be somewhere in tune for the better part
of twenty days, I want to be somewhere where I
want to hang out. And Boston grows on you, right,
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Oh know, if Oklahoma City really grows on you. But
it looks like that because Oklahoma City last night. Notwithstanding,
I still think they have a little bit of growing
to do as far as how they handle a game situations.
But I don't see anybody in the West that complete
and that young. So much of this DAN is going
to be a battle of attrition, which means you have
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to have stamina, which means this is a younger man's
game as opposed to veterans and older teams. I still
think you have to have veteran experience, but you have
to be in that sweet spot. I feel like Oklahoma
City is approaching the sweet spot. And in the Eastern Conference,
I don't see anybody that's challenging the Celtics because the
Bucks and the seventy six ers and the Knicks can't
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get their stuff together right now.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Have you ever had a player who challenged you, pushed you, confronted.
Speaker 11 (31:46):
You, confronted, yes, pushed No. If it was pushed, you'd
hear about it, trust me, you would hear about it.
But confronted. I think when I was a beat writer,
you have to have wront you. I'll say it because
it's statue of limitations. Me and Richard Hamilton when I
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was a be writer for the Detroit Pistons, he on
something that he didn't like, and as per custom, when
you write something, you go onto the locker, show up,
you show up the very next day, and you show
up on time, that team will send a limo for
your behind to make sure that you show up at
that arena on time. And we wound up having it
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out Dan. He didn't say the B word, he didn't
say the N word, but he said basically everything else.
And it went for about ninety seconds until pr came
in and broke it up. Now, I was not physically
intimidated because Rip, for all of his gifts, was six
seven and skinny. I feel like that at my age,
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we could have you know, we could have matched the wits,
you know what I mean. If it were Ben Wallace,
I'm going to have a little bit more diplomacy and
back down in this situation, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I know that feeling another great appearance. How about a
round of Paul's.
Speaker 11 (33:10):
Love it like the Prince ready too?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, we've got it all, got it all, got a
Prince hoodie on, he's got his Jordan's behind him, and
he's from Detroit.
Speaker 11 (33:19):
This might get me in trouble with the bad boys.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
No, they don't care. They can't care.
Speaker 11 (33:25):
Have you meant I have?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Now that's the guy you don't want to confront. Isaiah
is gonna hurt somebody.
Speaker 11 (33:35):
No, Zeke is more demure. Shall we say? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
It feels like there's a he's.
Speaker 11 (33:42):
Still fiery, he's still firing, he's still that, he's still
from the West side of Chicago. Yeah. I don't think
he could fight me.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
You think you could take Isaiah Thomas?
Speaker 11 (33:50):
No no, no, no, no no no. I said, I
don't think he would fight me.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Oh okay, I thought you were saying he knows better
than to fight me.
Speaker 10 (33:58):
No, man, don't get me at I can't be texting
me right now.
Speaker 11 (34:04):
Don't do that.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
All right? Thank you, Vincent. Great to talk to you again.
Speaker 11 (34:07):
Appreciate you that.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Vincent Goodwill host Good Word podcast on Yahoo's Ball Don't
Lie Channel and Yahoo Sports senior NBA reporter.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (34:28):
Chris Collins were the NBC Football Night in America color
analyst and Lions in the Texans, a first placed match
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will be there as well. That'll be Sunday at eight o'clock.
Do you remember when you were in college at Florida
did you guys open up with like a cupcake each year?
Speaker 13 (34:50):
No, dude, I don't remember college at all. Man, I
don't remember now.
Speaker 12 (34:56):
Then we open with a cupcake the first time, I no,
it was SMU was the first one we actually won.
California was one game and the other one I don't know.
I've tried to forget. My junior year, we didn't win
a game, so I just try to take that one
off the map.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Did you go to class like every other student?
Speaker 12 (35:20):
Yeah? Yeah, well I was. I got an accounting degree,
so it's like you kind of.
Speaker 13 (35:26):
Had to go.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
But the way college athletics are now, if you were
going to pick any school, I'd say, you're going to Georgia, Florida.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Would you are you required to go to class?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Because Jamar Chase had this answer and it was like, oh,
studying for a final, like you know, I said, feel
like that going to class and he goes, I didn't
study in college?
Speaker 13 (35:50):
Yeah, you know, And no wonder LSU whipped our ass.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
All the time.
Speaker 13 (35:57):
I don't know, I don't know, you know, I think.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
That you can do as little or as much as
you want in school and probably get away with it
to some extent. Most schools have places where you can
run and hide and if you're really not interested. But
it just seemed like an incredible waste of time to
be there and not actually try.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
All right, let me let me talk about some football
questions now. If the Bengals lose tonight, finish that sentence.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
Not over.
Speaker 12 (36:28):
I don't think it's over because of the seven playoff
teams that are in the mix now, it's a team
fully capable of going on a run and because of
their offense. I think it always comes down in this
lead to you know, you have to be able to
consistently get up over twenty four points to have a
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chance to win consistently, and they're going to do that.
I think Joe's been hot, he's been playing well. This
hasn't been and the Ravens best year on defense, so
maybe they can score some points. But you know, not
having T Higgins or having Higgins in and out of
the lineup this year has just.
Speaker 13 (37:12):
It's hurt this team, you know.
Speaker 12 (37:14):
I mean they've they've got the Sicky has come in
there and played well this Chase Brown has been a
great surprise at the running back position for the Bengals.
Speaker 13 (37:26):
But Baltimore's good.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
You know.
Speaker 12 (37:28):
I mean, they just they just have a way of
of doing more things than most teams can stop. And
Derrick Henry has been fabulous and probably deserves to be
in the MVP conversation and the whole thing.
Speaker 13 (37:43):
But it's the it's the style that has made that.
Speaker 12 (37:46):
Right. If Derrick Henry had gone to Dallas, I don't
think he's having this kind of year, you know, But
you match him up with Lamar, and all of a sudden,
this looks like one of those teams that on any
given day can beat anybody as great as Detroit's playing,
as great as Kansas City's planned on any given day,
you do not want to see the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
But this feels like the game going into the game
is about the Bengals. If the Ravens lose, it feels
like it'll be about the Ravens for some reason that
every time we build them up, you know, like this
is the team that nobody wants to face. They could
be the best team in football or AFC, and we
you know, we've seen this before with them, So it
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feels like a loss is about the Ravens.
Speaker 13 (38:33):
Well, it would be.
Speaker 12 (38:34):
Two in a row, right if they came off and
got beat by the Browns and the Bengals and back
to back weeks and the Bengals at home, that would
certainly be a bit of an indictment for them. But
divisional games are divisional games, and we give everybody notice
that you spend all off season getting ready for three
teams and whatever comes along on your schedule after that,
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you just prepare in a week's time. But those those
three teams, those six games generally decide how you're going
to do. And the Bengals, you know, there have been
just magical moments between these two teams, going back, exciting game,
a really important game for the Bengals.
Speaker 13 (39:16):
But I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 12 (39:18):
It's probably a bigger indictment of the Ravens if they
did beat at home.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
If the Chiefs would lose Mahomes, what odds would you
give them of still being able to threepeat with Carson
Wentz in there.
Speaker 12 (39:36):
I'd like to see Carson in that offense. We've been
out there, We've done them once or twice. I feel
like I live in Kansas City, But I think to
completely dismiss Andy Reid and what he can do with
that offense would be a mistake. Kareem Hunt's been pretty
dang good. They've added to a wide receiver position now
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that is definitely.
Speaker 13 (39:59):
Helping the cause.
Speaker 12 (40:00):
But would they wouldn't be my favorite to win the
Super Bowl anymore. But I to completely say they couldn't
win three games in a row and make it to
the Super Bowl, I don't think I would go that
far yet without seeing him in there.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Chris Collinsworth will be on the call with Mike Tarico
Sunday Night Football. It's the Lions and the Texans. Make
a case against Jared Goff for an MVP.
Speaker 12 (40:30):
The team around him, you know, I think would have
to be the answer to that question. His numbers are spectacular.
They're very much a They're a play action team. They're
a team that is built around that offensive line that
can run the football. This team runs the ball more
in second and long and third and long situations than
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any team maybe I've ever seen in my life. And
they'll go for it on fourth down. But you consistently
breakout runs from Montgomery and Gibbs. You consistently see Jared
Goff going to not just a second receiver, a third receiver,
a fourth receiver, and occasionally a fifth receiver. They will
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get five receivers out, put tremendous pressure on the offensive
line to have to hold up in one on one
blocks basically across the board. They do it consistently. They
will give up some sacks periodically, but I think it's
more a product of what they want to do getting
people out. And Jared Goff, as he's discussed with us
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this year, he's not going to lose the game for him.
I mean, that's really his goal. He is very systematic
in what he's trying to do. He is not going
to give him the cheap turnovers, He's not going to
give him the cheap fumble, sack, all of that and
rely on the team.
Speaker 13 (41:50):
Now, A big chunk.
Speaker 12 (41:53):
Of this, whether or not they're going to be able
to win a Super Bowl is going to come down
to they have to get better at the pass rush.
Their pass rush on the edge right now is just
not good enough. And they of course signed Zadarius Smith,
who is an older player but a dynamic guy in
the locker room. I don't know if you've ever had
him on the show or not, but you would love
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having a conversation with this guy. Just full of energy
and just fits the Lions to a t. But probably
the thing that happened to them is Alee McNeil has
really turned into a star player. I don't know how
many people know him, Number fifty four, the defensive tackle.
They pair him up with DJ Reader inside there, and
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the secondary has gotten a lot better since they moved
Brian Branch back to safety. He and Kirby Joseph have
been unbelievable. Joseph with six picks, Branch with four picks.
So this is a defense that has finally gotten to
that man coverage kind of team that they want to
be able to do. And they're tough, but they're pass
rush at least as it's been the last couple of
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weeks without Hi is not good enough to win at.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
All, I don't think yeah, And I've been talking about
Golf being an MVP candidate because he's had a six
game stretch that's unheard of, you know, completing eighty three
percent of his passes, you know, more touchdown you know
what once he got feign completions less than the touchdowns
he's thrown. I mean, these are historical numbers, and they're
the team to beat in the NFC. So I do
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think he should be in on that short list.
Speaker 13 (43:26):
Oh I'm not. You told me to make a.
Speaker 7 (43:28):
Case against some Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I was curious what the case would be against him,
because I think we can all agree what he's done.
I don't think he's going to get the credit. And
I think it's because it goes back to the rams
that he was discarded. Like here, take some draft picks,
go to Detroit, we want Matthew Stafford and they won.
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But the guy's been to a super Bowl, could have
gone to another super Bowl, and here he is having
a you know, borderline historical season, and I do think
he should be on that short list for MVP candidates.
Is there a new offensive trend or defensive trend that's
going on right in.
Speaker 5 (44:09):
Front of us that we might not be aware of.
Speaker 12 (44:11):
I don't know if it's going on right in front
of you, but it's clearly what Minnesota is dealing with.
Brian Flores, I think is almost what you have to
do because it allows you. And I don't want to
insult the Minnesota Vikings defensive players, but you can because
you overwhelm offenses with the number of people that you
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rush or the number of people that you drop back
in coverage. You can get away with those sort of
tweener players that are part rushers but are athletic enough
to get back in coverage and also play. So a
lot of times you'll see them dropping you know, they'll
rush six and then the next play they'll drop eight,
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and they'll be able to do all these different things.
But the thing that I really like, the big change
that's come out of that def fens is that they
used to all play like cover zero when they blitz
like that, and cover zero basically means no free safety,
no deep help. You're one on one, generally playing off
the ball or bumping run, but if you lose one
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on one, that could be a seventy yard touchdown, right,
And that fear factor kept most teams out of trying
to do that. Now we're seeing a lot of that
same thing, and Minnesota basically had cut in half the
number of cover zeros that they had, so now they've
got a team that can play three deep zone behind
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it only two guys underneath and still rush five and
come after and trying to confuse your quarterback. But at
they don't have the risk of giving up the seventy
yard touchdown, and so that ability to create the constant
feel of pressure. I mean, in the game we did
the other night, Joe Flacco could feel pressure on almost
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every play, but he didn't have the option of attacking
them with home run balls, and they're basically attacking him
with home run defenses.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Good to talk to you. We'll be watching Sunday night.
Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
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Speaker 2 (46:24):
Greg McElroy ESPN College football analyst. He's calling Georgia Ole,
Miss Saturday three thirty Eastern on ABC and a co
host of Mac and Cube in the Morning in Alabama, WJOX.
How's morale? How are you feeling?
Speaker 7 (46:40):
What's going on? Buddy? It's been a long time. How's
everything been well?
Speaker 2 (46:43):
It sounds like you're getting important here and you kind of,
you know, you start to kick people to the curb.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
I get it.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
I just missed the good old days where we just
you know, went sports to earth on people and took
wonder the tests. Why don't we just do that? I mean,
what's old is new. Let's let's do it again.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
N'e LA's time you used the expression d's nuts.
Speaker 7 (47:07):
I think my last conversation with coach Saban, so that
would have been in the July.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
You you're probably not surprised of what he's doing on TV.
I think I think most of America probably is, because
these guys are buttoned up. It's like Belichick. You know
the number of players who say, you got to be
around Belichick. He'd got a great sense of humor. I go, well,
he's never going to show it to me. I saw
glimpses of that with Saban, But what do you see
when you you know, you're watching Game day with him?
Speaker 12 (47:40):
Well?
Speaker 7 (47:40):
I find it so funny because I was really curious,
like you, and not that I knew he'd be good.
He's got great acumen, and he's he's funny and witty,
and he's constantly jabbing, and so I thought that it
would carry over. I just didn't know how much of
himself we'd see. You know, I thought he'd maybe be
a bit guarded, a little tentative early, but the dynamic
but between him and McAfee cracks me up. Man, I
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don't know what I mean, whether McAfee's feeding him or
he's making him take his tie off, like, whatever the
circumstances are. It's been pretty funny. So see two guys
that are kind of opposite ends of the spectrum has
been hilarious. But I think he's done great. But are
you surprised, Like you've been around him enough, it's just
not that surprising. I think people thought that you were
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going to get some press conference setting Saban where he's
trying to im force this type of cadence so that
he can communicate with his players. That's not really how
he is behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Well, he'd had to go to press conferences. He gets
to go to college game day, and I think him
and McAfee are like a buddy movie where you know,
they're just completely opposite. And I think Saban is enough
of a competitor you want to keep up with the
level of everybody around you, you know, whether it's Reese
or Desmond or Herbie McAfee in there. You want to
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make sure your level is the same, your energy is
the same, and I think the surroundings. He's out in
the environment there and you could see it. It kind
of he absorbs it. I was going to ask you about,
you know, how the college football regular season has been
impacted this year because of the new playoff system.
Speaker 5 (49:13):
How would you sum that up?
Speaker 7 (49:15):
It's a great I was really concerned about it, Dan,
Like I wouldn't have probably said that publicly, but I
was concerned that the one thing that we really had
in our bag as a college, as college football fans
and as people to cover the sport was the doer
dye nature of the sport, and that that concerned me
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that if we got rid of that, would the reaction
be as strong And a lot of what makes our
sport unique is that we have that debate about who
should be, who is you know, who could be if
given the opportunity at the playing field was leveled, this
team could do whatever. Like that debate has raged on
for one hundred plus years now. We have slowly but
(49:59):
surely moved away from to debate to playoff formats that
are more digestible for fans that don't live it every day.
But I was concerned, and I don't know if we
know just yet what the long term impact will be,
because if we start seeing Ohio State Oregon three times
a year, will that matchup that they play in October
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mean as much that I'm genuinely curious about. So I
don't know if we'll know the impact yet. But I
still get the same reaction from fans every Monday if
their team lost, even though they know, hey, we lost
in the end of the day, like we're still in
the playoff mix. But Texas was freaking out when they
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lost the way they lost to Georgia, and Georgia was
freaking out with the way they lost to Bama. And
I'm sure Ohio State fans were freaking out with how
things finished the end of at Oregon. And I'm sure
Penn State feels like their life is over after last week.
So the reaction is still as strong as ever, even
though you're afforded opportunities to screw up, still have a chance.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Feels like when people see the brackets and they see
BYU in the quarterfinals, that's when you're going to have
some people upset.
Speaker 5 (51:08):
They're like wait, wait, wait a minute, wait.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Minute, you got these first round matchups and then BYU
is right there.
Speaker 7 (51:14):
Yeah, and they're going to say, here's the other thing
that's funny is and I think this will be funny
because people are going to look at it and say,
hang on the second. So in this conference that we
just had to navigate, we had to beat Texas, Georgia
at ole, Miss Florida at home a neutral site against Arkansas,
and our reward is the same as the team that
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did not play a single team in the top twenty five,
and they have beaten a bunch of teams that have
lost that are you know, eight and four, seven and five.
It's just I think that's where people are going to
be like, hang on a second. Why is the reward
for winning the Big ten the same as winning for
the Big twelve? And I think that's where we could
find some some chaos in the future.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yeah, that's what I wonder the tweaks that are going
to be made because we're never satisfied.
Speaker 5 (51:59):
We're going to tweak it.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
We're eventually going to probably have twenty four teams, not twelve.
We're eventually going to go to a pro system. I
mean this is all headed towards you know, it feels
like a conclusion that we've been waiting for. Do you
feel that way that this is this is where the
sports headed, whether you want to or not.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
Yeah, it feels like that's where we're going.
Speaker 7 (52:20):
I think we're heading to further expansion, to what number
we get to. I think sixteen is most likely because
people are going to look at it and say, all right, well,
I want a home game and the playoffs, and now
I like having a bye week, that's great, but our
fans want a home game in the playoffs. And while
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the conference championship games have been really valuable for a
really long time, to the commissioners and the decision makers
eventually determine, all right, is the conference championship game as
impactful as it once was under the previous format, or
are we better suited maybe getting rid of the conference
championship game in favor of more home playoff game environments.
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And that's what I think will be the conversation that's
had down the road. I think we will in the
near term expand as fourteen so that the Big ten
and the SEC are given that first round by and
everybody else has to play a first round game, because
right now, for the Big twelve champ to get the
same thing as the SEC champion is ridiculous. So I
think at some point that's where we'll get to, but
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I'm not sure they'll be done at fourteen. I would
imagine sixteen is the most likely. Twenty four feels bloated.
I don't think we'll get there, but I could certainly
see sixteen at some point in the future.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Have they capped what is it twenty one million dollars
you can spend on your roster?
Speaker 5 (53:41):
Is that? Is that the number?
Speaker 7 (53:44):
It's dependent on the settlement, which they're estimating somewhere between
twenty and twenty three. So I don't know if they
know exactly where that's headed, but it'll be somewhere in
that vicinity.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yes, and SMU is spending that kind of I know
High State did, but here comes SMU, and now it's
above board. They can do it legally. They don't have
to give out trans ams or houses or anything.
Speaker 7 (54:08):
As someone that's from the Dallas Fort Worth area, I
think SMU could easily eclipse twenty one million dollars. I
think the term was said by people in that closed
door meeting that said, hey, yeah, we won't take a
single dollar of television revenue for them.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
A maze years.
Speaker 7 (54:22):
You just let us in amaze and what their reaction was.
It's only a couple hundred million. It's not that that
was that was the reaction. Yeah, a couple hundred million,
No problems, six to seven of us.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Right, Okay, I'm going to give you this. You can
have SMU's future, yeah, or USC's.
Speaker 7 (54:41):
Oh, it's a good question, can I I think SMU
has the better path, but I'd rather be in the
big ten.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (54:54):
I just don't know what's going to happen with the
ACC but it's closed, which is really what the answer
is here that that's then. But it's like you said,
and I think that you are going to be at
a unique advantage. This is just like next level Dan,
So excuse me for pontificating. I'm curious if your thoughts
on this. I think there's a certain built in accountability
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in small towns where the players are extremely recognizable. So
if you're in say Clemson, South Carolina, it's really hard
for you to if you're making a million bucks of
years the starting quarterback, it's hard for you to go
out in public and live like a rock star, because
everybody's gonna know, oh, hey, there's Kaid Klubnik. He's out
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at the bars on the Thursday night. But at Miami
or at La or in Dallas, like you can kind
of you can fly under the radar a little bit,
and now you can keep up with the Joneses if
you're making a million bucks a year. So I do
have a theory that small town teams will be more
successful in the long term, but that's only because of
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the accountability that kind of built in the community like that.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
I was in a steakhouse in an sec city and
there was a very expensive car out front and it
was running and I said to the owner, I said,
whose car is that? And then he told me who
it was, and it was a player for the football team.
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Personalized license play like you couldn't have if you were trying.
You wanted everybody to see. He did a great job
in letting everybody see that's my car. And I'm like, yeowly,
that's an expensive car out there, and he just left
it running while he was inside getting something to eat.
I was like, all right, you didn't get that at
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Alabama though, right, No.
Speaker 7 (56:49):
No one that would require an expensive steakhouse in Tuscaloosa,
and at the time we did not have that. We
had a couple of nice restaurants.
Speaker 5 (56:57):
But no I had I'm talking about the car. Are
you know you weren't offered anything.
Speaker 7 (57:02):
No. I had a a ten year old Ford f
one fifty when I was in college, and my dad
and I had a bet my last year that if
we won the SEC we would trade that.
Speaker 13 (57:15):
He had a Range River.
Speaker 7 (57:17):
So I got to drive a Range River my last
year because.
Speaker 11 (57:20):
I want my dad.
Speaker 5 (57:22):
But no, Yeah, people probably.
Speaker 7 (57:25):
Said it was a car. That was the best part.
Speaker 3 (57:33):
It was.
Speaker 7 (57:37):
Right in the check now not the case. It was
dad's car.
Speaker 5 (57:40):
Okay, all right, I'll take your word for it.
Speaker 3 (57:43):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (57:43):
Glad you're doing well. Great to talk to you again,
Great to see a DP.
Speaker 7 (57:47):
Hope you're well man.
Speaker 5 (57:48):
That's Greg McElroy.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Bengals are getting six against the Ravens. The over
unders fifty three, so they're expecting some points here. And
in case you're in fantasy and you're wondering, what do
they think for Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow is going to
have a big passing night, Derrick Henry. The over under
is eighty nine and a half against the Bengals lamar
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over under a fifty yards rushing. So it'll be one
of those situations with the Cincinnati Bengals. And by the way,
I was looking at their odds to make the playoffs,
the Bengals odds to make the playoffs are better than
the Broncos, the Buccaneers, and the Cardinals, which might surprise
you if they can get through this next wave of games.
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So you have this game with Baltimore, you have the
Chargers coming up, you have the Cowboys, you have the Steelers,
and then towards the end of the season, it's not
a murderers row there. I think they end the season
with Pittsburgh. Now what is that going to mean for
either one of these teams? But this feels like last
call for the Cincinnati Bengals, if you're going to put
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up a good fight, and I'm waiting for that defense
to be a whole lot better than it's been. Joe
Burrow's been really good, really good. Now you want to
see if that defense can stand up against the high
powered Baltimore offense. Speaking of offense, I'm watching Golden State
last night because we spent a lot of time talking about, oh,
what's it going to be like Steve Kerr going to Boston.
(01:31):
He didn't play Jason Tatum. And it wasn't Steve Kerr's
fault that Jalen Brown didn't make the roster, just to
let you know, maybe he had a say in it,
but there are other people who were forming the roster.
But he didn't play Jason Tatum. So we were waiting
to see, is Jason Tatum going to go for eighty
points last night? Well he didn't. He played really really
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well and Steve Kerr went in there and got the win.
Here is Jason Tatum after the loss.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Jason, seems like you want to put the drama around
the Olympics behind you. The fans seem to lean into
the drama. How much, if at all, was that on
your mind and how much do you think impacted your game.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
It wasn't on my mind. Just another Wednesday, another game,
another opportunity to come in and try to be the
best player I can be in another day, to just
try to get a win.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I mean it's a tough question to answer, and as
you could see, Jason Tatum gave him nothing. Yeah, he
does want to put this behind him. I don't think
he wants to have this always lingering. And now you're
gonna play Golden State one more time in the regular season,
so maybe it comes up then. But last night, pretty much,
in my opinion, put an end to it. You want
a gold medal. Here's Steve Kerr.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
Last night, I don't give it a whole lot of
thought other than yeah, I didn't enjoy, you know, not
playing Jason against Serbia, not playing Joel against South Sudan.
Those are not fun decisions. But our guys were all amazing.
They committed to each other, they committed to winning the
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gold medal, they brought brought the gold home for their country.
They all handled themselves with incredible dignity and class.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
And that's the real story.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Okay, all right, we done anything else to see here. Yeah, seen.
I mean it's not like they lost. I know, it's
not like they didn't medal.
Speaker 8 (03:33):
It's not like we're saying, like, what went wrong for
Team USA in this last Olympics?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Why didn't he play Tatum? What the hell?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
They could have won the gold medal by six points
Tatum had played. They rolled like they won. They won
thanks to the old guys, Steph KD and Lebron. By
the way, Lebron last night, he's thirty nine years of age.
He had thirty nine. They got blown out though they
lost by seventeen. So he's had had three games of
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thirty nine or more since he turned thirty nine. The
only person who has done that Michael Jordan.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Come on, Woo.
Speaker 8 (04:14):
Stand a day, stanlea day, stand outa day, Stantata day.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
This is the stule of the day.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I was trying to build up the drama, but then
I realized that what were you going to say, Robert Parrish,
maybe Vince Carter.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
No, it's Michael ol Jeffrey Jordan Junior.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
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Speaker 9 (04:59):
Yes, quick side bet NBA if anyone would like to
do it. Okay, I don't know what Lebron's stats are
right now, it's too early in the season. I really
judge them, but they're pretty good. Michael Jordan's last year
when he was thirty nine years old. Oh, he started
sixty seven games. He played thirty seven minutes per game,
by the way, and he averaged twenty points, six rebounds
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for assists.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I'll take Lebron's numbers across the board, yes, yes, maybe
not minutes, yes, like you could see and I remember
when Mike was playing with the Wizards, there was a
drop off, but because the sky was so high for
Mike that there had to be a drop off. Lebron
is not His game is not predicated by explosive moves
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like he just understands the game. He's so you know, talented,
being that big, physical and and Mike needed, you know,
getting from point A to point B. He was so quick,
he was catlike, and then you could see that he
was certainly not that kind of player anymore. Now, I
could still get you thirty a night if he wanted to.
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But Lebron, I mean, I'm watching Lebron and there's not
much of a drop off.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Can he get twenty five and a quarter like he
did before? No, but he still has that ability to
be a top ten player in the NBA at age
thirty nine, which is remarkable. It's just you're looking at
the Lakers here, and I know we gave Jj Redick's flowers.
That's why we're only a couple weeks into the season.
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I mean, how about we wait until after Christmas and
then we go. Okay, I got a pretty good idea,
Jj redikin coach. This Laker team is competitive. One thing
I will point out watching last night, Golden State plays defense.
I know when we think of Golden State, you think threes.
He thinks Steph Curry and rightfully so when they win,
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they win because they play great defense. They got a
deep bench, and are they gonna miss Klay Thompson yes,
but Buddy Healed is really good. He comes off the bench.
He made four threes last night, he finished with sixteen points.
I mean, it's not that much of a drop off,
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and you're gonna play ten or eleven players right now. Now,
that won't be the case, you know, in February. But
I got to limit steps minutes every single night. I
don't need him, I don't want him. I should say
to be the guy who's got to get thirty five
a night. If he can give me twenty six, I'm
good with that, but I gotta limit his minutes. Golden
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State plays defense, Oklahoma City plays defense. Those are two
of the best teams right now in the West. Golden State,
what's there? They're uh, seven and.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
One, seven and one.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oklahoma City is probably seven and one as well. But
they play defense, and that's you know, we don't talk
about that very often. It's almost like when you go
back to the running rebels of UNLV in the early nineties.
They put up a lot of points, but they got
kick started on defense to put up those points. They
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were great on turnovers in transition. They played wonderful defense
led by Stacy Augman. But this gets lost sometimes where
we go. Man, the NBA just about shooting threes, it is,
But if you want to take that next step, you
want to be a championship caliber team, you got to
play defense.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
At some point.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
You got to be able to stop somebody because everybody
else is able to score.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
What do you do differently?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And I think what Golden State has done, and I
told you that's my pick to win the West. They
play defense as long as everybody's staying healthy. They got
some young players too who were contributing. That's another big deal.
Now do I think Boston's going to be there at
the end? I do, And I think Jason Tatum is
going to be the MVP. And when Jalen Brown is there,
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I mean that's really a balanced you know, obviously a
great lineup there. But last night it was kind of
fun to see Golden State go in there, the reaction
that they wanted it to be something. It just didn't
turn out to be something.
Speaker 10 (09:14):
Yes, Marv, So yesterday you were talking about who's going
to shoot more three points?
Speaker 11 (09:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (09:19):
What do you think the turnout was.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
As far as Boston versus Golden State?
Speaker 11 (09:23):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I would say Boston by twenty.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yes, I think I had him shooting fifty five.
Speaker 10 (09:31):
They shot fifty four, okay, and the Warriors shot thirty four.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Wow, I hate seeing it. And look, I love outside shooting.
I just there's so much more to basketball than that.
And it's it goes back to what I've said, and
I know this is on repeat, but it's baseball where
it's just about home runs a strikeouts, it's about making
a three or missing a three, and basketball is really
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about movement. And when you you see it and Golden State,
Steph Curry never stops. Never. I love the fact that
he moves. You know, one of my favorite players was
John Havelchak. If you're old enough to remember the Celtics,
he never stopped. It's really hard or it's a whole
lot harder to try to guard somebody who's moving. Reggie
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Miller reg never stop moving, you know, Rip Hamilton, never
stop moving. And that, to me, that's basketball movement. Now
it's just five five on the perimeter and you're like, okay,
all right, and then you move it around, move it around,
move it around, move around, and then somebody takes a three.
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I hope we get teams that will be just like
the Ravens the Ravens are running the football. We're seeing
teams running the football more because everybody is geared up
to stop the past. Maybe you see somebody, I just
don't know what you would do a Shack if Shack
came out now or Yao, Ming came out right now,
what do you do? Those guys just stay down low?
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Is Shaq going to be shooting threes? Which is not
good for anybody, Like even Zach Edie who's played well,
Like you just see these big men and you're like, man,
he looks out of place. But I wonder what would
the what would that team do, What would their offensive
philosophy philosophy be if they had Shack, Because I would
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just say, Shack.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Go down low.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
You're going to get fifty tonight. This is Wilt Chamberlain
in the early sixties. Just go down there, we're going
to get fifty.
Speaker 9 (11:34):
Yes, Paulen, you'd need a GM in the NBA to
defy analytics and become a two point team that pounded
it down low and slowed down the game. And I
don't know if that guy could get hired in this NBA.
It's like it can't happen because they won't even let
it get.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Started, but I make you double team Shack.
Speaker 11 (11:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Now everybody on the perimeter is going to be even
better because your looks are going to be open. I'm
gonna say, Shack's getting the ball, go down there.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Hope this version of Shaq would make free throws, but
that that would have to be mandatory. Shaq, I'm gonna
throw you the ball every single time. You got to
make your free throws.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Derek Patrick, shut though up.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I think Shaq joins US next week so I can
ask him about this. You know, what would the NBA
be like if he was there? One other thing? And
it's coming up, I believe next week. And I guess
it's the fight that the world is waiting for. It's
Mike Tyson fighting Jake Paul. I didn't know the world
was waiting for it. And hey, look, maybe you're gonna
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go out and buy the fight.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Good for you.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I think the undercard is is pretty good. But Mike
is fifty seven years of age and I think Jake
Paul is twenty seven, so thirty year difference.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
And I know Mike.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
He's putting out these hype videos and you know, so
I'm hearing the commercials for this, it's it's the fight
the world wants to see. I've been around a lot
of these fights where they try to hype him up,
whether it was Jerry Cooney fighting Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson
going against Marvis Frasier or Michael Space, and there's part
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of you like, I just want Mike to come out
of this alive, not damaged, not hurt. And it's weird
to say because Mike's an underdog here, but I'm listening
to that commercial and I go, I don't want to
watch it. I don't, but I am. I am curious about, like,
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why would Mike do this?
Speaker 11 (13:37):
Now?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
You can say money, but really.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
I think he's doing pretty well these days, Mike. Yeah, yeah,
I think he's doing pretty well.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Okay, but why why do this? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I just hope that, you know, because people might go,
what's the big deal about Mike Tyson? You know a
generation that never saw him, and be like, uh, google
him and then you'll get a better sense. But do
I want to see him now fight Evander Holyfield or
is he gonna fight I don't know any other influencer?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yes, Ton, And.
Speaker 10 (14:13):
It's an actual sanctioned fight, like this is gonna.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Go on their record, that's somebody actually sanctioned them.
Speaker 8 (14:19):
I wonder if part of it is because I know
that I'm not even necessarily like a boxing fan, but
I mean, I enjoy it. But when I look at
Jake paulm like, that dude's not a real boxer, And
I could only imagine how intense that feeling could be
if I was once, say, a former heavyweight champion of
the world, and like, my sport is in tatters, and
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there's YouTubers out now who are kind of like the
biggest boxer in the world.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Why don't I go show them what a real boxer
looks like.
Speaker 8 (14:48):
I feel like that if I was a former professional boxer,
I feel like I would take it very seriously.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Like that poser, that pos is ruining my sport. It's
trying to act like he's me.
Speaker 8 (14:59):
Yeah, he's trying to act like he's accomplishing the same
things that I did against real fighters.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
No way.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
Yeah, Mark, And also Mike Tyson has a real Tiger
Woods feel to him. No matter what, you're still like,
he still got a shot. Yeah, because maybe the generation
previously it's still like but you don't. You didn't see
what we saw. And I still think he has a chance.
Anytime Tyer gets into a tournament, I think he can
do it, and I think that's what Mike Tyson brings
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to the table.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I think Mike has a better chance winning than Tiger
does because Tiger I don't think is healthy enough to
play four consecutive days. Mike needs one punch, and it
feels like most of America is rooting for that one punch,
Like I'm just rooting for.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
My I like Mike.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I don't know Jake Paul We've never you know, had
Jake Paul on, and we won't have Jake Paul on
or his brother, Chris Cliff Paul. I don't know he's
got another brother. I don't know if he is. He
a boxer too, Logan Logan Paul Sure, okay, I think
that's it.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Logan po Yeah, just sort of.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
A sidebar there on the Mike Tyson.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
The world is waiting for this fight. I don't think
I am. I didn't even know when it was.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I know it got postponed because Mike had an ulcer,
so he had the whatever the episode.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
When he was on a flight and They're like, we're
gonna have to cancel this.
Speaker 10 (16:26):
I wasn't feeling very love that mat.
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Great to have you on a get well. Look at
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the shoes behind you, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Look at that.
Speaker 10 (17:08):
That's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Okay, the number one seed, give me the number one
seed of your shoes behind you?
Speaker 11 (17:16):
Back there, it's probably the Air Jordan wants, the original
Air Jordan's. It looks like they're the top over this show. Yeah,
at the very top lows. Not the best shoe I
have in my closet, but the best shoe on the wall.
You can't have your best stuff on the wall.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Okay, your best shoe is what?
Speaker 11 (17:35):
Wow, Dan, I'm gonna embarrass myself because I might not know. Okay,
you know what the Jordan three, the cement, the cement,
black cement, Jordan three. Remember the free throw line dunk
he did an All Star weekend in Chicago in nineteen
eighty eight. I was all three years old, and that
particular shoe where you stepped on the free throw line.
He did the flying in the air thing. You know
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that thing?
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Okay, are you married?
Speaker 11 (18:00):
If I was? I'm not sure if this shoe away.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
That's a single guy's wall right there, Vincent, that is.
Speaker 11 (18:11):
Look, man, his shoes come with the package.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
My man.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Oh all right. The New Look Warriors, I love them.
They're might team out West. They got youth. You still
have veterans there. I don't know if this philosophy of
their game plan is any different than it was years ago.
Maybe they don't shoot as many threes. They are playing
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great defense. Assess the Golden State Warriors after last night's
win in Boston.
Speaker 11 (18:42):
I think you said it, man. Their defense is much
more aggressive. And remember the key to that death lineup
and everything else that they were doing in the early
aughts was how aggressive their defense was. Is set up
their offense. It's set up the pace that the NBA
hadn't gotten used to do at that point. You saw
how they were trapping Jason Tatum at half court yesterday,
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forcing backcourt violations and traveling violations like those things make
teams uncomfortable, and the Boston Celtics are the most comfortable
offensive team in the NBA. Because you want teams to
take threes, the Celtics want to take threes. And outside
of that third quarter where the Celtics scored forty points
after not scoring forty in the first half, the Warriors
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kind of kept them at bay and poshed them off
in the fourth quarter even after going down six. Then
I'm not sure if this means anything, Like, I'm being
very careful about the level of competition that they've played.
Even though Stephen Curry has missed a few games. Their
net rating is pretty damn hot. I think they're like
plus twelve point three, but they haven't played a lot
of people. The thing I am encouraged by is all
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of these young pieces on affordable contracts. You know what
that means. Hey, if you want to come and have
a news since we're having relationship analogies here on Play
Love Doctor, Hey, if you're a player under your last
year your contract, and you're not feeling great at your home.
You know you want to try a new place out.
Why don't you come over to the Bay Area Because
we win championships here and we have Stephen Curry here.
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They need one more shot creator, Dan, for me to
really believe in them, and you never know who that
player is going to be. But they have the assets
to make the move possible, and that's something a lot
of teams don't have.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
How did the Celtics not win the East?
Speaker 11 (20:25):
Ooh? Have you looked at the Milwaukee Bucks and the
Philadelphia seventy six ers. Have you seen their movies? Because
I've seen their movies. They're both one and six. No
team has gone one in six and made the playoffs.
I think in like fifty years of some crazy stat
like that. I think the question you have to ask
Dan is in what world do the Celtics not repeat?
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I think they have broken the math of basketball in
terms of how many threes were taking, how many threes
were taking approximate to the style we play, as far
as not shooting anything else. Like everybody talks about the
Warriors of vintage era, but they maybe took thirty percent
of their shots from three. Maybe thirty three percent of
their shots from three. I haven't checked recently, but as
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of a week ago, the Celtics were taking nearly half
of their shots from three and they look comfortable doing it.
Remember last night, we can talk all about the Golden
State Warriors and how great they looked on the road,
and they did look great. But the Celtics, the champions,
were missing two of their three best players and Christaps
Porzingis and Jalen Brown and still almost pulled that win off.
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And Jason Tatum only had a great third quarter. He
did not have a great game. He did not put
his stamp on the game. And getting still because of
the math that the Celtics have implemented, a math that
I'm not necessarily a fan of. They've broken the game
and they might win because of the math.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Okay, I brought this up first hour.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
If Shaq was coming into the NBA, how would you
utilize shack in today's NBA where it's about shooting the
three pointer? If Yao Ming was coming in any of
these post players, does somebody get around too, Maybe they
have a counter attack, and that is we're gonna make
you pay inside. We're going to dominate you because nobody's
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really geared towards stopping anybody inside, not even Rudy Gobert.
So how would you use Shaq today.
Speaker 11 (22:19):
If you're saying Shaquille O'Neil at twenty years old is
coming into the league, not Shaquille O'Neill coming down the
prep path. My fear is that Shaquille O'Neil coming down
the prep path, they would try to turn him into
a three point shooter and not into maybe one of
the most dominant players we've ever seen. That'd be the consign.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
So shack doesn't happen.
Speaker 11 (22:38):
In your opinion, I think everybody thinks they're smart. I
think the name of the game is get as close
to the basket as you can possibly get and dunk
on everyone. Dan, you're not seven feet taller, neither are my,
but I can dream, and I think that if if
Shaquille O'Neill was a rookie coming out of LSU with
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the physical gifts that he'd had, you surround him with
shooting and you try to protect him as far as
the pick and roll and probably trying to keep him
away from the perimeter. But you dumping down to that
big dude with all the spacing, Dan, you can't double
them without leaving someone butt naked, wide open and your
bigs get in foul trouble and you control pace. So
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I do think there's a way in today's game that
someone that's special can do it. The problem is, Dan,
it takes someone that's special for you to change the
way that you play the game. Not just a really
good post center, not in alonzone morning, not a Patrick Ewing,
really good Hall of famers in their own right. But
you're saying the top of the top Shaquille O'Neill would
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be the only person to break the trend of the
way the game is played. That to me is alarming.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
He's Vincent Goodwill, host of Good Word podcast on Yahoo's
Ball Don't Lie Channel, Yahoo's Sports, senior NBA reporter. If
I was going to take the most unstompable players of
all time, let's say top five, they cannot be stopped
in their prime, can't be stopped.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Who would you put.
Speaker 11 (24:13):
If you're giving me, if we're given, are you doing
positions or we're.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Just doing most unstoppable players of all time?
Speaker 11 (24:21):
Well, let me say this that big dude that we
just talked about, Shaquille O'Neill from a stress from nineteen
ninety nine to two thousand and two. I know it's
a very small arena, but there was no one and
nothing stopping that man because of his athleticism, his dexterity,
his sheer strength. Right, let's have him there. Now, I'm saying,
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let's go to the greatest player of all time at
the peak of his powers, from like say, nineteen ninety
to nineteen ninety three, and that's Michael Jordan. Where in
a game that was based on the big man, remember
the illegal defense rules, the handshaking and everything else, Michael Jordan,
that's six foot six and two hundred and ten pounds,
was dominating a game that was made for the big man,
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and he was doing it with his level of physicality.
So we're gonna have him there, Okay, Lebron James from
two thousand and nine to twenty thirteen when he almost
won unanimous MVP. We can have him there where you know,
the athleticism, the both ends of the floor, the fury. Right,
have him there. Now. It gets interesting because you're asking me,
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where does Stephen Curry fit into that? Because of once
again breaking the math right in terms of the three
point shooting. You have to defend him from half court.
You have to defend him at all points of the floor,
including when he does not have the ball. And then
I got a surprise for you. I gotta I gotta
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wink wink nod for you. You're choosing to me between
Larry Joe, Bird, Hakeem Elijahwan right, I think those are
no no, who am I missing? Who am I missing?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Kareem Abdul Jabbar is the greatest, greatest, most unstoppable score
of all time in modern era. No one ever, ever
ever stopped Kareem with the skyhook. It was unstoppable. The
other person I'd put in there is Kevin Durant. I
think Kevin Durant is unstoppable. I think that he can
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get what he wants to get when he wants to
get it. I wouldn't put a Keem in there. A
Keem was just might be the best two way player
in the history of the sport and one of the
most underrated. Larry Joe had a three year run where
he was unstoppable. But I like I can look at
the totality of Kevin Durant's career. He's unstoppable. Lebron had
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thirty nine last night, So I'm going to factor in
longevity with this as well. I thought Iverson was unstoppable
as well.
Speaker 11 (26:55):
I disagree on that one, okay. I think Iverson was relentless.
The style in which he played. You can put Allen
Iverson with Jahn Morant and Russell Westbrook and guys that
just keep coming at you. Like the scene in Rocky
two where Duke was talking about talking to Apollo Creed.
That man beat you, was getting beat within an ende
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of his life and he just kept coming. That's Allan Iverson,
That's Russell Westbrook, that's John Morant, that's not Kareem abdul Jabbar.
And I think your point about Kevin Durant is well taken.
I don't look at longevity. I look at the fact
that he's had an Achilles and an MCL and we
don't even think about that when factoring in the Kevin
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Durant that we're watching now, who's a walking fifty to
forty ninety that is very comparable to Larry Bird Dan.
I can't believe you, of all people missed to go
in the Crates. You're going to dispute me talking about
Larry Bird playing them ugly flat ass confer shoes with
those spots in the Boston Garden.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Artie Bencent, it feels like you're profiling me.
Speaker 11 (27:59):
Absolutely, I am profound, and I'm sure you don't take a.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Fits to it.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, then I got to throw in Jerry West in
there too, and uh uh, George Mike and and John Havelchek.
Speaker 11 (28:12):
I don't think you go back that far. I'm not
going to send you back that far.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Look, I got to see Bird in those years up close,
and he was the guy game on the line. That's
the only guy that I wanted taking the shot.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It's weird and unstoppable, Like no one could stop Kareem
from doing what he was doing, Mike down low when
he was on the post, and then he would hit
that fade away. Unstoppable. I think Durant mid range game
is unstoppable.
Speaker 11 (28:42):
So those see I think you're missing. So I think
we It's funny how we have turned Michael Jordan. You
just did it. You turned Michael Jordan into this free
throw line and down player who hit the fade away.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
No, I'm talking about a signature move.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I'm talking about signature no, no, well due drive into
the basket and dunking on you.
Speaker 11 (29:05):
That must the unstoppable dude.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Well, he had a go to move when he was
getting beat up going to the hoop. He started taking
guys down low on his hip and then shooting that shot.
So I'm talking about Kareem with the skyhook, Durant mid
range jumper, Lebron driving right handed to the hoop. Like,
there's certain things even Jordan talked about if Lebron gets
you on his hip and he's going.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
To the hoop, you can't stop him. That's kind of
what I'm like.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
There were signature moves that guys made where you knew
what was happening and you couldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
You know, Like Bird would say to Xavier.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
McDaniel, x I'm gonna get the ball, I'm a fake left,
I'm gonna shoot go back right, I'm gonna hit the
jumper right in your face, and then he did, Okay,
that's unstoppable.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
So that's what I was kind of going for.
Speaker 11 (29:51):
Well, Dan, you or your honor, you did not make
your instructions clear to the jury.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Oh no, no, this was this was an addendum to
that that I was looking for most unstoppable offensive players
and got.
Speaker 11 (30:03):
You, and we did short Kareem, and I did short
Kareem shoot the bar even before. Look, Dan, I can
admit when I'm wrong. I live in the crates Kareem
before the Slowdown, before nineteen eighty five, Kareem was the
most unstoppable basketball player to walk the face of the earth.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
All right, Okay, who's your NBA Finals pick?
Speaker 12 (30:27):
Dan?
Speaker 11 (30:27):
Is it too early?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
No?
Speaker 5 (30:29):
No, we have preseason predictions. Uh huh, like you can't
wait till Christmas. What's going on here?
Speaker 11 (30:38):
Okay, here's what I will say, Dan, And I'm not
saying I'm wishing for this to happen because I don't
know if I want to spend a week in Oklahoma City,
but I feel like it's going to be Oklahoma City
in Boston, right. I'm rooting for real estate. If I'm
going to be somewhere in tune for the better part
of twenty days, I want to be somewhere where I
want to hang out. And Boston grows on you, right,
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Oh know, if Oklahoma City really grows on you. But
it looks like that because Oklahoma City last night. Notwithstanding,
I still think they have a little bit of growing
to do as far as how they handle a game situations.
But I don't see anybody in the West that complete
and that young. So much of this DAN is going
to be a battle of attrition, which means you have
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to have stamina, which means this is a younger man's
game as opposed to veterans and older teams. I still
think you have to have veteran experience, but you have
to be in that sweet spot. I feel like Oklahoma
City is approaching the sweet spot. And in the Eastern Conference,
I don't see anybody that's challenging the Celtics because the
Bucks and the seventy six ers and the Knicks can't
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get their stuff together right now.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Have you ever had a player who challenged you, pushed you, confronted.
Speaker 11 (31:46):
You, confronted, yes, pushed No. If it was pushed, you'd
hear about it, trust me, you would hear about it.
But confronted. I think when I was a beat writer,
you have to have wront you. I'll say it because
it's statue of limitations. Me and Richard Hamilton when I
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was a be writer for the Detroit Pistons, he on
something that he didn't like, and as per custom, when
you write something, you go onto the locker, show up,
you show up the very next day, and you show
up on time, that team will send a limo for
your behind to make sure that you show up at
that arena on time. And we wound up having it
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out Dan. He didn't say the B word, he didn't
say the N word, but he said basically everything else.
And it went for about ninety seconds until pr came
in and broke it up. Now, I was not physically
intimidated because Rip, for all of his gifts, was six
seven and skinny. I feel like that at my age,
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we could have you know, we could have matched the wits,
you know what I mean. If it were Ben Wallace,
I'm going to have a little bit more diplomacy and
back down in this situation, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I know that feeling another great appearance. How about a
round of Paul's.
Speaker 11 (33:10):
Love it like the Prince ready too?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, we've got it all, got it all, got a
Prince hoodie on, he's got his Jordan's behind him, and
he's from Detroit.
Speaker 11 (33:19):
This might get me in trouble with the bad boys.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
No, they don't care. They can't care.
Speaker 11 (33:25):
Have you meant I have?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Now that's the guy you don't want to confront. Isaiah
is gonna hurt somebody.
Speaker 11 (33:35):
No, Zeke is more demure. Shall we say? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
It feels like there's a he's.
Speaker 11 (33:42):
Still fiery, he's still firing, he's still that, he's still
from the West side of Chicago. Yeah. I don't think
he could fight me.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
You think you could take Isaiah Thomas?
Speaker 11 (33:50):
No no, no, no, no no no. I said, I
don't think he would fight me.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Oh okay, I thought you were saying he knows better
than to fight me.
Speaker 10 (33:58):
No, man, don't get me at I can't be texting
me right now.
Speaker 11 (34:04):
Don't do that.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
All right? Thank you, Vincent. Great to talk to you again.
Speaker 11 (34:07):
Appreciate you that.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Vincent Goodwill host Good Word podcast on Yahoo's Ball Don't
Lie Channel and Yahoo Sports senior NBA reporter.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (34:28):
Chris Collins were the NBC Football Night in America color
analyst and Lions in the Texans, a first placed match
up here. Mike Trico will be there also. Melissa Stark
will be there as well. That'll be Sunday at eight o'clock.
Do you remember when you were in college at Florida
did you guys open up with like a cupcake each year?
Speaker 13 (34:50):
No, dude, I don't remember college at all. Man, I
don't remember now.
Speaker 12 (34:56):
Then we open with a cupcake the first time, I no,
it was SMU was the first one we actually won.
California was one game and the other one I don't know.
I've tried to forget. My junior year, we didn't win
a game, so I just try to take that one
off the map.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Did you go to class like every other student?
Speaker 12 (35:20):
Yeah? Yeah, well I was. I got an accounting degree,
so it's like you kind of.
Speaker 13 (35:26):
Had to go.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
But the way college athletics are now, if you were
going to pick any school, I'd say, you're going to Georgia, Florida.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Would you are you required to go to class?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Because Jamar Chase had this answer and it was like, oh,
studying for a final, like you know, I said, feel
like that going to class and he goes, I didn't
study in college?
Speaker 13 (35:50):
Yeah, you know, And no wonder LSU whipped our ass.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
All the time.
Speaker 13 (35:57):
I don't know, I don't know, you know, I think.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
That you can do as little or as much as
you want in school and probably get away with it
to some extent. Most schools have places where you can
run and hide and if you're really not interested. But
it just seemed like an incredible waste of time to
be there and not actually try.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
All right, let me let me talk about some football
questions now. If the Bengals lose tonight, finish that sentence.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
Not over.
Speaker 12 (36:28):
I don't think it's over because of the seven playoff
teams that are in the mix now, it's a team
fully capable of going on a run and because of
their offense. I think it always comes down in this
lead to you know, you have to be able to
consistently get up over twenty four points to have a
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chance to win consistently, and they're going to do that.
I think Joe's been hot, he's been playing well. This
hasn't been and the Ravens best year on defense, so
maybe they can score some points. But you know, not
having T Higgins or having Higgins in and out of
the lineup this year has just.
Speaker 13 (37:12):
It's hurt this team, you know.
Speaker 12 (37:14):
I mean they've they've got the Sicky has come in
there and played well this Chase Brown has been a
great surprise at the running back position for the Bengals.
Speaker 13 (37:26):
But Baltimore's good.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
You know.
Speaker 12 (37:28):
I mean, they just they just have a way of
of doing more things than most teams can stop. And
Derrick Henry has been fabulous and probably deserves to be
in the MVP conversation and the whole thing.
Speaker 13 (37:43):
But it's the it's the style that has made that.
Speaker 12 (37:46):
Right. If Derrick Henry had gone to Dallas, I don't
think he's having this kind of year, you know, But
you match him up with Lamar, and all of a sudden,
this looks like one of those teams that on any
given day can beat anybody as great as Detroit's playing,
as great as Kansas City's planned on any given day,
you do not want to see the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
But this feels like the game going into the game
is about the Bengals. If the Ravens lose, it feels
like it'll be about the Ravens for some reason that
every time we build them up, you know, like this
is the team that nobody wants to face. They could
be the best team in football or AFC, and we
you know, we've seen this before with them, So it
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feels like a loss is about the Ravens.
Speaker 13 (38:33):
Well, it would be.
Speaker 12 (38:34):
Two in a row, right if they came off and
got beat by the Browns and the Bengals and back
to back weeks and the Bengals at home, that would
certainly be a bit of an indictment for them. But
divisional games are divisional games, and we give everybody notice
that you spend all off season getting ready for three
teams and whatever comes along on your schedule after that,
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you just prepare in a week's time. But those those
three teams, those six games generally decide how you're going
to do. And the Bengals, you know, there have been
just magical moments between these two teams, going back, exciting game,
a really important game for the Bengals.
Speaker 13 (39:16):
But I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 12 (39:18):
It's probably a bigger indictment of the Ravens if they
did beat at home.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
If the Chiefs would lose Mahomes, what odds would you
give them of still being able to threepeat with Carson
Wentz in there.
Speaker 12 (39:36):
I'd like to see Carson in that offense. We've been
out there, We've done them once or twice. I feel
like I live in Kansas City, But I think to
completely dismiss Andy Reid and what he can do with
that offense would be a mistake. Kareem Hunt's been pretty
dang good. They've added to a wide receiver position now
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that is definitely.
Speaker 13 (39:59):
Helping the cause.
Speaker 12 (40:00):
But would they wouldn't be my favorite to win the
Super Bowl anymore. But I to completely say they couldn't
win three games in a row and make it to
the Super Bowl, I don't think I would go that
far yet without seeing him in there.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Chris Collinsworth will be on the call with Mike Tarico
Sunday Night Football. It's the Lions and the Texans. Make
a case against Jared Goff for an MVP.
Speaker 12 (40:30):
The team around him, you know, I think would have
to be the answer to that question. His numbers are spectacular.
They're very much a They're a play action team. They're
a team that is built around that offensive line that
can run the football. This team runs the ball more
in second and long and third and long situations than
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any team maybe I've ever seen in my life. And
they'll go for it on fourth down. But you consistently
breakout runs from Montgomery and Gibbs. You consistently see Jared
Goff going to not just a second receiver, a third receiver,
a fourth receiver, and occasionally a fifth receiver. They will
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get five receivers out, put tremendous pressure on the offensive
line to have to hold up in one on one
blocks basically across the board. They do it consistently. They
will give up some sacks periodically, but I think it's
more a product of what they want to do getting
people out. And Jared Goff, as he's discussed with us
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this year, he's not going to lose the game for him.
I mean, that's really his goal. He is very systematic
in what he's trying to do. He is not going
to give him the cheap turnovers, He's not going to
give him the cheap fumble, sack, all of that and
rely on the team.
Speaker 13 (41:50):
Now, A big chunk.
Speaker 12 (41:53):
Of this, whether or not they're going to be able
to win a Super Bowl is going to come down
to they have to get better at the pass rush.
Their pass rush on the edge right now is just
not good enough. And they of course signed Zadarius Smith,
who is an older player but a dynamic guy in
the locker room. I don't know if you've ever had
him on the show or not, but you would love
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having a conversation with this guy. Just full of energy
and just fits the Lions to a t. But probably
the thing that happened to them is Alee McNeil has
really turned into a star player. I don't know how
many people know him, Number fifty four, the defensive tackle.
They pair him up with DJ Reader inside there, and
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the secondary has gotten a lot better since they moved
Brian Branch back to safety. He and Kirby Joseph have
been unbelievable. Joseph with six picks, Branch with four picks.
So this is a defense that has finally gotten to
that man coverage kind of team that they want to
be able to do. And they're tough, but they're pass
rush at least as it's been the last couple of
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weeks without Hi is not good enough to win at.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
All, I don't think yeah, And I've been talking about
Golf being an MVP candidate because he's had a six
game stretch that's unheard of, you know, completing eighty three
percent of his passes, you know, more touchdown you know
what once he got feign completions less than the touchdowns
he's thrown. I mean, these are historical numbers, and they're
the team to beat in the NFC. So I do
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think he should be in on that short list.
Speaker 13 (43:26):
Oh I'm not. You told me to make a.
Speaker 7 (43:28):
Case against some Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I was curious what the case would be against him,
because I think we can all agree what he's done.
I don't think he's going to get the credit. And
I think it's because it goes back to the rams
that he was discarded. Like here, take some draft picks,
go to Detroit, we want Matthew Stafford and they won.
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But the guy's been to a super Bowl, could have
gone to another super Bowl, and here he is having
a you know, borderline historical season, and I do think
he should be on that short list for MVP candidates.
Is there a new offensive trend or defensive trend that's
going on right in.
Speaker 5 (44:09):
Front of us that we might not be aware of.
Speaker 12 (44:11):
I don't know if it's going on right in front
of you, but it's clearly what Minnesota is dealing with.
Brian Flores, I think is almost what you have to
do because it allows you. And I don't want to
insult the Minnesota Vikings defensive players, but you can because
you overwhelm offenses with the number of people that you
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rush or the number of people that you drop back
in coverage. You can get away with those sort of
tweener players that are part rushers but are athletic enough
to get back in coverage and also play. So a
lot of times you'll see them dropping you know, they'll
rush six and then the next play they'll drop eight,
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and they'll be able to do all these different things.
But the thing that I really like, the big change
that's come out of that def fens is that they
used to all play like cover zero when they blitz
like that, and cover zero basically means no free safety,
no deep help. You're one on one, generally playing off
the ball or bumping run, but if you lose one
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on one, that could be a seventy yard touchdown, right,
And that fear factor kept most teams out of trying
to do that. Now we're seeing a lot of that
same thing, and Minnesota basically had cut in half the
number of cover zeros that they had, so now they've
got a team that can play three deep zone behind
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it only two guys underneath and still rush five and
come after and trying to confuse your quarterback. But at
they don't have the risk of giving up the seventy
yard touchdown, and so that ability to create the constant
feel of pressure. I mean, in the game we did
the other night, Joe Flacco could feel pressure on almost
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every play, but he didn't have the option of attacking
them with home run balls, and they're basically attacking him
with home run defenses.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Good to talk to you. We'll be watching Sunday night.
Thank you, Chris.
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Speaker 2 (46:24):
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How's morale? How are you feeling?
Speaker 7 (46:40):
What's going on? Buddy? It's been a long time. How's
everything been well?
Speaker 2 (46:43):
It sounds like you're getting important here and you kind of,
you know, you start to kick people to the curb.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
I get it.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
I just missed the good old days where we just
you know, went sports to earth on people and took
wonder the tests. Why don't we just do that? I mean,
what's old is new. Let's let's do it again.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
N'e LA's time you used the expression d's nuts.
Speaker 7 (47:07):
I think my last conversation with coach Saban, so that
would have been in the July.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
You you're probably not surprised of what he's doing on TV.
I think I think most of America probably is, because
these guys are buttoned up. It's like Belichick. You know
the number of players who say, you got to be
around Belichick. He'd got a great sense of humor. I go, well,
he's never going to show it to me. I saw
glimpses of that with Saban, But what do you see
when you you know, you're watching Game day with him?
Speaker 12 (47:40):
Well?
Speaker 7 (47:40):
I find it so funny because I was really curious,
like you, and not that I knew he'd be good.
He's got great acumen, and he's he's funny and witty,
and he's constantly jabbing, and so I thought that it
would carry over. I just didn't know how much of
himself we'd see. You know, I thought he'd maybe be
a bit guarded, a little tentative early, but the dynamic
but between him and McAfee cracks me up. Man, I
(48:03):
don't know what I mean, whether McAfee's feeding him or
he's making him take his tie off, like, whatever the
circumstances are. It's been pretty funny. So see two guys
that are kind of opposite ends of the spectrum has
been hilarious. But I think he's done great. But are
you surprised, Like you've been around him enough, it's just
not that surprising. I think people thought that you were
(48:23):
going to get some press conference setting Saban where he's
trying to im force this type of cadence so that
he can communicate with his players. That's not really how
he is behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Well, he'd had to go to press conferences. He gets
to go to college game day, and I think him
and McAfee are like a buddy movie where you know,
they're just completely opposite. And I think Saban is enough
of a competitor you want to keep up with the
level of everybody around you, you know, whether it's Reese
or Desmond or Herbie McAfee in there. You want to
(48:54):
make sure your level is the same, your energy is
the same, and I think the surroundings. He's out in
the environment there and you could see it. It kind
of he absorbs it. I was going to ask you about,
you know, how the college football regular season has been
impacted this year because of the new playoff system.
Speaker 5 (49:13):
How would you sum that up?
Speaker 7 (49:15):
It's a great I was really concerned about it, Dan,
Like I wouldn't have probably said that publicly, but I
was concerned that the one thing that we really had
in our bag as a college, as college football fans
and as people to cover the sport was the doer
dye nature of the sport, and that that concerned me
(49:35):
that if we got rid of that, would the reaction
be as strong And a lot of what makes our
sport unique is that we have that debate about who
should be, who is you know, who could be if
given the opportunity at the playing field was leveled, this
team could do whatever. Like that debate has raged on
for one hundred plus years now. We have slowly but
(49:59):
surely moved away from to debate to playoff formats that
are more digestible for fans that don't live it every day.
But I was concerned, and I don't know if we
know just yet what the long term impact will be,
because if we start seeing Ohio State Oregon three times
a year, will that matchup that they play in October
(50:20):
mean as much that I'm genuinely curious about. So I
don't know if we'll know the impact yet. But I
still get the same reaction from fans every Monday if
their team lost, even though they know, hey, we lost
in the end of the day, like we're still in
the playoff mix. But Texas was freaking out when they
(50:42):
lost the way they lost to Georgia, and Georgia was
freaking out with the way they lost to Bama. And
I'm sure Ohio State fans were freaking out with how
things finished the end of at Oregon. And I'm sure
Penn State feels like their life is over after last week.
So the reaction is still as strong as ever, even
though you're afforded opportunities to screw up, still have a chance.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Feels like when people see the brackets and they see
BYU in the quarterfinals, that's when you're going to have
some people upset.
Speaker 5 (51:08):
They're like wait, wait, wait a minute, wait.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Minute, you got these first round matchups and then BYU
is right there.
Speaker 7 (51:14):
Yeah, and they're going to say, here's the other thing
that's funny is and I think this will be funny
because people are going to look at it and say,
hang on the second. So in this conference that we
just had to navigate, we had to beat Texas, Georgia
at ole, Miss Florida at home a neutral site against Arkansas,
and our reward is the same as the team that
(51:37):
did not play a single team in the top twenty five,
and they have beaten a bunch of teams that have
lost that are you know, eight and four, seven and five.
It's just I think that's where people are going to
be like, hang on a second. Why is the reward
for winning the Big ten the same as winning for
the Big twelve? And I think that's where we could
find some some chaos in the future.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yeah, that's what I wonder the tweaks that are going
to be made because we're never satisfied.
Speaker 5 (51:59):
We're going to tweak it.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
We're eventually going to probably have twenty four teams, not twelve.
We're eventually going to go to a pro system. I
mean this is all headed towards you know, it feels
like a conclusion that we've been waiting for. Do you
feel that way that this is this is where the
sports headed, whether you want to or not.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
Yeah, it feels like that's where we're going.
Speaker 7 (52:20):
I think we're heading to further expansion, to what number
we get to. I think sixteen is most likely because
people are going to look at it and say, all right, well,
I want a home game and the playoffs, and now
I like having a bye week, that's great, but our
fans want a home game in the playoffs. And while
(52:41):
the conference championship games have been really valuable for a
really long time, to the commissioners and the decision makers
eventually determine, all right, is the conference championship game as
impactful as it once was under the previous format, or
are we better suited maybe getting rid of the conference
championship game in favor of more home playoff game environments.
(53:04):
And that's what I think will be the conversation that's
had down the road. I think we will in the
near term expand as fourteen so that the Big ten
and the SEC are given that first round by and
everybody else has to play a first round game, because
right now, for the Big twelve champ to get the
same thing as the SEC champion is ridiculous. So I
think at some point that's where we'll get to, but
(53:25):
I'm not sure they'll be done at fourteen. I would
imagine sixteen is the most likely. Twenty four feels bloated.
I don't think we'll get there, but I could certainly
see sixteen at some point in the future.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Have they capped what is it twenty one million dollars
you can spend on your roster?
Speaker 5 (53:41):
Is that? Is that the number?
Speaker 7 (53:44):
It's dependent on the settlement, which they're estimating somewhere between
twenty and twenty three. So I don't know if they
know exactly where that's headed, but it'll be somewhere in
that vicinity.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yes, and SMU is spending that kind of I know
High State did, but here comes SMU, and now it's
above board. They can do it legally. They don't have
to give out trans ams or houses or anything.
Speaker 7 (54:08):
As someone that's from the Dallas Fort Worth area, I
think SMU could easily eclipse twenty one million dollars. I
think the term was said by people in that closed
door meeting that said, hey, yeah, we won't take a
single dollar of television revenue for them.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
A maze years.
Speaker 7 (54:22):
You just let us in amaze and what their reaction was.
It's only a couple hundred million. It's not that that
was that was the reaction. Yeah, a couple hundred million,
No problems, six to seven of us.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Right, Okay, I'm going to give you this. You can
have SMU's future, yeah, or USC's.
Speaker 7 (54:41):
Oh, it's a good question, can I I think SMU
has the better path, but I'd rather be in the
big ten.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (54:54):
I just don't know what's going to happen with the
ACC but it's closed, which is really what the answer
is here that that's then. But it's like you said,
and I think that you are going to be at
a unique advantage. This is just like next level Dan,
So excuse me for pontificating. I'm curious if your thoughts
on this. I think there's a certain built in accountability
(55:17):
in small towns where the players are extremely recognizable. So
if you're in say Clemson, South Carolina, it's really hard
for you to if you're making a million bucks of
years the starting quarterback, it's hard for you to go
out in public and live like a rock star, because
everybody's gonna know, oh, hey, there's Kaid Klubnik. He's out
(55:38):
at the bars on the Thursday night. But at Miami
or at La or in Dallas, like you can kind
of you can fly under the radar a little bit,
and now you can keep up with the Joneses if
you're making a million bucks a year. So I do
have a theory that small town teams will be more
successful in the long term, but that's only because of
(55:59):
the accountability that kind of built in the community like that.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
I was in a steakhouse in an sec city and
there was a very expensive car out front and it
was running and I said to the owner, I said,
whose car is that? And then he told me who
it was, and it was a player for the football team.
(56:26):
Personalized license play like you couldn't have if you were trying.
You wanted everybody to see. He did a great job
in letting everybody see that's my car. And I'm like, yeowly,
that's an expensive car out there, and he just left
it running while he was inside getting something to eat.
I was like, all right, you didn't get that at
(56:46):
Alabama though, right, No.
Speaker 7 (56:49):
No one that would require an expensive steakhouse in Tuscaloosa,
and at the time we did not have that. We
had a couple of nice restaurants.
Speaker 5 (56:57):
But no I had I'm talking about the car. Are
you know you weren't offered anything.
Speaker 7 (57:02):
No. I had a a ten year old Ford f
one fifty when I was in college, and my dad
and I had a bet my last year that if
we won the SEC we would trade that.
Speaker 13 (57:15):
He had a Range River.
Speaker 7 (57:17):
So I got to drive a Range River my last
year because.
Speaker 11 (57:20):
I want my dad.
Speaker 5 (57:22):
But no, Yeah, people probably.
Speaker 7 (57:25):
Said it was a car. That was the best part.
Speaker 3 (57:33):
It was.
Speaker 7 (57:37):
Right in the check now not the case. It was
dad's car.
Speaker 5 (57:40):
Okay, all right, I'll take your word for it.
Speaker 3 (57:43):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (57:43):
Glad you're doing well. Great to talk to you again,
Great to see a DP.
Speaker 7 (57:47):
Hope you're well man.
Speaker 5 (57:48):
That's Greg McElroy.
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