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of the weekend, all of that forthcoming. But when was
the last time you were truly shocked? Sports shocked? This
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is one of those. It was midnight Eastern and getting
messages on my phone that was like, OMG, question mark
exclamation point? What the f question mark exclamation point? And
I don't know what's happened. So all of a sudden,
you go, I gotta contact somebody. So I sent a
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message to my wife. I said, is everything okay? And
she said, yeah, did you hear about the Luka Doncik?
Is that how you pronounce his name? I go, you
know it before I know it? And she said, yes,
everybody on the internet is talking about this. Is that
how you pronounce his name? I said, yes, it is
Luka Doncik traded to the Lakers. And you start to
think about all the insiders. People get paid millions and
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millions of dollars to be the insider. Give us a
heads up there, and then all of a sudden, nobody
was an insider. Nobody had any information on this. Even
the players involved in the deal had no idea that
this was going on. Now I understand the mab side
of this with Luca that you're not going to tell
him if you're getting ready to part ways with him,
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you're not going to say anything to him. The Lakers
with Lebron, Lebron friends with Ad, brought Ad in from
New Orleans. They want a title together. They're buds. Then
there was a report there at odds with one another.
Maybe Lebron doesn't like that Ad is not always available.
Ad last year played in seventy six games. Now he
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was injured or is injured on abdominal strain or something.
But the fact that you get a guy who does
have good numbers when he's played, but you're going to
get Luka Dancik in his prime. And that's where you go.
Why first question? And I still say that why Brian
winhors to the Mothership? Will Joe is coming up top
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of next hour. But the Mavericks went to the NBA
Finals last year. It's not like they flamed out in
the first round. It's not where you go, man. They
got to make some big decisions here, They got to
make some changes here. They went to the NBA Finals
last year, and you get rid of Luca, who's twenty
five and you get Anthony Davis in return because you
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say defense wins championships. And then you were talking about
your culture, the MAVs culture, that these players they got
fit in better than Luca, And it goes back to
why what do the MAVs know that we don't know yet?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
And was it just Luca was not in shape?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
You don't want to give him a max deal where
he's going to be making over seventy million dollars a year,
but you know it's one of those one you're watch
him play and you go, gosh, if he ever gets
in shape, you know he'll average forty a game. I mean,
he's still good to averaging thirty a game, and you know,
you look at his weight.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I mean, just like Zion Williamson that that has become
a big issue. I wouldn't be surprised if Zion is
moved at some point in his career. But here's Luca,
arguably one of the top five players, certainly one of
the top ten players, and you get him at twenty
five Anthony Davis.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
You're not going to build around him.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And it's weird that it feels like Sacramento got more
for Daron Fox than the Mavericks got for you know,
the trade with Luka Doncik Darren Fox going to San Antonio,
which I think is great, love it thought it was wonderful,
But as far as the Lakers, it was one of
those where and you start to look at sports surprises.
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You know, when Kobe passed away, we didn't want to
believe it. It's like no, no, you know it's a
tragedy and you're like, no, that that couldn't possibly have happened,
and then all of a sudden you realize that it
did happen. I was doing Sports Center when Magic announced
that he had HIV and then he was going to
have to retire.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Like that is sports.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Shocked this a.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And if you're looking at things that probably would shock you,
I'll go back to when Luel Sindor was traded from
the Bucks to the Lakers, and I remember, guys, you
just traded the best player in the game, and you
got Junior Bridgeman and you got Dave Myers and I
think Elmore Smith was in. You know, it wasn't a
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great list of players, even when Wilt Chamberlain was traded.
You know, you don't get as much as you think
and return Oscar Robertson traded to the Bucks. You got, uh,
two marginal players out of that.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
But I would have thought draft picks.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I would have thought you could have gotten a whole
lot more from a lot of other people. And it's
like you didn't let everybody know. It's almost like you're
single and then all of a sudden, you're gonna marry
the first guy that you meet, like, I gotta I
gotta get spread this. Maybe there's other options out there.
That was what was surprising. And they kept it quiet,
which I thought was fascinated in today's world where everybody
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in Hollywood, somebody's telling somebody something.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
But they kept it quiet.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And now you have the Dallas Mavericks with Anthony Davis.
As they move forward, and I hope they play great defense.
Somebody better tell Kyrie Irving he's got to play defense
because defense wins championships. But Luca, look, I don't like
Luca going to the Lakers because you got two ball
dominant guys. You know, Lebron wants to have the ball
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and so does Luca. Okay, don't like it. I mean
I love it from the standpoint of you got to
watch it, But I don't know if it's one of those.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Where you go, all right, I see what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Now, this is long term. This is a long play.
You know, he's twenty five. But as far as Lebron
is Lebron going to stay longer?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Does he want to get traded?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And I think those are questions that we'll ask, you know,
Wendy when he joins this next hour.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yes, Marvin, but Lebron's won championship with ball dominant guys before,
like Dwayne Wade and Kyrie Irving. So if it worked there,
it might work here. Just one last shot man. So
Lebron was good at playing a lot of your turn,
My Turn with d Wade and Kyrie, So maybe this
might be the plan for the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well, I mean, Luca's gonna want the ball now, Luca's
gonna want to be out on, you know, for vengeance.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Here.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I'm gonna show everybody, you know, you see that's what happens,
you get traded.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Like he was shocked.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
He was like, wall, I didn't know anything about this.
Jason Kidd didn't know, nobody knew anything about this.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
See, yeah, it does seem like Lebron is a guy
who doesn't mind not having it all on his shoulders, right,
and so he wants the ball, maybe wants it a
little less these days. I'm like, ah, man, this is
your Like Marvin said, now this is your turn, and
then I'll I'll get the next one.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And I worry about Bronni too, just to make sure
that he's going to get his touches as well as
most people are.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
Yes, Paul, I have this policy for the past twenty
or thirty years. If the Lakers are calling me or
talking to me about a trade, don't do it. Pow
Gasol Kobe Bryant when they during the draft, Uh Shaquille O'Neill.
In his prime, Leuel Cindar looking Leuis sinder was twenty six,
he had won two of the previous three MVPs and
Milwaukee goes, let's get rid of this guy. It's hard
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to make sense of that at the time, and this
one's just as bad.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Luel Sindor wanted out of Milwaukee, wanted to go to
Los Angeles. He had played his college ball out there,
and I think that he wanted out of that situation.
But you know, the difference is with the Lakers. Usually
Jerry West was on the other end. If Jerry West calls,
then you don't you don't pick up because you know, somehow,
someway this isn't going to work out. But Rob Polinka
made the move, pulled the trigger on this, and I good,
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you know, credit to the Lakers. I didn't think they
were going anywhere with Anthony Davis. But at least you've
I don't know, revitalized your fan base and maybe you
now to look at the future and maybe you go, Okay,
we have somebody we can build on who's not forty
years of age.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
And all of the attention is going to the Lakers
and the MAVs obviously, But then when you look at
the other side of some of these trades, it's like,
what are the bulls doing?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Well, what have the Bulls been doing for the last
twenty years.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
They're like a team that's being stripped down for parts
because like some gigantic company bought them and like a
just sell off all the good stuff and then well
it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It's like when animals cross a river and you know,
some make it and something like the bulls crossing the
river and then it's like, oh, we lost one, we
lost another one, and they finally traded zach Lavine. He's
probably been rumored to have been traded one hundred times,
it feels like in the last couple of years. So
he goes to Sacramento, and of course you reunite him
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with Tomorro Rosen and that's going to be magic there.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yes, Marvin zach Lavine is Bradley beal Light Wow, a
lot of points, but it doesn't lead to wins, so.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
That's not a compliment. No, no, no, okay, yeah.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
Both players, but no, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I've been wanting to ask you this for about a
day and a half.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
If you're the Lakers, I'd like to know how much
time after the initial call to the trade was made,
and how much due diligence did you get, because whenever
someone offers you something too good to be true, I
got to know why this house is six hundred thousand
should be a million.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh it's got mold. That's what it feels like.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
The Lakers are getting something that the Mavericks really didn't want.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Why how do you ask that? How do you find
out why they don't want Luke anymore?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I think that's what we're waiting for.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I think everybody was like, and this is one of
those where NBA players in games they're passing the phone
around on the bench because nobody believes it's real.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's like, you got to be kidding me.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Wait, you see this, you see this, you see this,
you see this?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Yes, Seed, And they can't even be like, well, you
know what. The chance to get Anthony Davis is just
too good to pass up, and they're.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Like, what do you want him for?
Speaker 9 (10:39):
Yes, Todd, is there standard physically after all trades or
they have to do that before they becomes efficient.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, and both players are injured. I didn't think you
could trade injured players. If David Stern was still the commissioner,
I would love to have heard his reaction, but he
have vetoed this like you did, Chris Paul to the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
I see, oh, okay, you guys just want to move
stars wherever.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Okay, And then it goes back to you know, loyalty, franchise, loyalty.
Luca didn't want to leave. You know, we always talk
about the players in the NBA. Oh, they're holding up
these franchises. You know, they're the ones that are dictating
what goes on. Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
By all accounts, neither of these players knew what was
going on.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yes, Marv, and I think we all have to let
the public know Mark Cuban is not the majority owner
of the Dallas Mavericks anymore, because I got about three
text messages. What is Mark Cuban doing? He's just sitting there.
He didn't do this.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I know Fritzy.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
We were at dinner last night and I said to Fritzy,
reach out to Cuban. So he said, uh, he can't.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I thought, that's sorry, and I said, wait a minute,
why can't he He didn't make the move, but he
still owns like twenty seven percent of the mavericke He's
very busy.
Speaker 10 (11:48):
Shark Tang has got a lot of stuff going.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
On and dealing.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
But this is where Paula goes, Yeah, telling we can
tape it right now. We'll go like, we'll tape it
whatever time you want.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I love Paul's like, guess is out of the country.
Speaker 10 (11:59):
You can't do it.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
They don't. I zoomed it off the phones out of
the country.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Yeah, paul I wonder if Mark Cuban's I can't was
I can't like he loved Luca and he made his
declarations years ago and always loved him.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, you know, it's one of those guys where you
paired him with Kyrie Irving, they go to the NBA Finals,
you would think, Okay, I mean it's not a great team,
but still you went to the NBA Finals last year
and then you decide to part ways.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Maybe they just looked at this and said, he's where
he is now at twenty five, how much better is
he going to get? How much does he care? And
then they talk. You know, all these teams, en franchises
have culture.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
You know, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Patriots culture, and it's heat culture, and it's I don't
even know what that means.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
All I know is.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Anthony Davis already has it and he hasn't even put
on the uniform yet, which is pretty amazing. You buy
it in the gift shop when you you know, land
in Dallas Fort Worth, Yeah, Seeton.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
There's a quote from Mark Cuban all over the internet
now that as far as I can could tell, is real.
But Mark Cuban said, if I had to choose between
my wife and keeping Luca on the MAVs catch me
at my lawyer's office prepping for a divorce.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You know, she could probably use that in future negotiations.
I'm a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Wouldn't have been funny if the Lakers get Luca Mark
Cuban's wife. Oh, they get Maxie Kleeber and Market Morris,
the first wife you know traded.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yet the deal makes sense?
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Yeah to mar and I were joking at the end
of the day when they introduced you know, they always
introduced the new player they trade for, and they hold
up the jersey that he's gonna wear.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
When Luca gets.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Introduced in LA, when they introduced Anthony Davis and Dallas,
do they hold up a sweater and pants?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Wow, sang Street clothes. Not really, Fairy's playing a lot lately.
I retract that statement. Retracted.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Damn, yeah, much too soon.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Street. He's playing well, we returned he is.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
He is, of course, coming back from another injury.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yes, marsh I saw Luca get off the plane miraculously.
He's twenty five pounds down now. He looks great, shreadfast. Oh,
he looked great. He looked like James Harden when he
got traded, because James Harden was over here looking like
Professor Klamb at one point.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well, it's like when your significant other that decides to
divorce you and then you get you back to your
playing weight, like you all of a sudden go all right,
I'm out there on the mark.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But in thirty six hours and he gets him spanks, he's.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Going to Ozempicville. Oh, he's going to Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Part of his contract.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yes, they may have hooked him up on the plane
where he's Can I get an iva of that ozempic
here down twenty five? By the way, six ers weren't
the Celtics down by twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Last night and came back. We were in a bar
or restaurant. Every TV.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
There had to be fifteen TVs and that was the
only thing on the Celtics and the seventy six ers
every single TV.
Speaker 10 (15:01):
And it wasn't that bizarre.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
I know it's not a sports bar, but there were
like eighteen to twenty tev's. Everyone had the Celtic sixer
game on its New Orleans. It's not like we were
in the outskirts of Philly or bostsk.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
All I know is you were on fire last night.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I was a hyper I don't know why exactly there
was a rest.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
There's a point in dinner where I wish I was
on fire.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Last night I made Todd drink a beer just to
see if it would, you know, slow him down, shut
him up.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
It didn't.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I drank like half of that both. Oh I know, Oh,
I know. Poll question seton. We gotten an obvious one
for the first hour.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Well, we have some that are trade related. We have
one off of stapped dinners that Todd's had submitted.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You know what, we'll wait too.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
After the break, we'll go over our poll questions for
the first hour, best and worst of the weekend. Operator
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Speaker 2 (17:59):
Rumor has it there will be a pickleball match front
row back row at some point this week. We're at
the Exchange, which is a beautiful facility here in New Orleans,
and I think it's Paulie and Marvin versus Seaton and
Fritzy pickleball. I don't know what the stakes are. I
just know that their rumor has it. There's going to
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be a pickleball matchup at some point this week.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Yes, Paul, I think speaking for all of us, we
know very little about the rules and regulations of pickleball.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I've only played it once. I want to know.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'm an expert, but I'm only here for guidance with
you guys, and I reached out to Miller Lyte. We
have some great accessories for you guys to play pickleball.
You will look like you know what you're doing. That's
my goal guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yes time.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
What about the terminology. You said something the other day
about the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, you have to learn some turn You're gonna learn it.
You're going to learn some you know, you got to
serve underhand. You know they can't be in the kitchen,
and you know it's something you're gonna need to know.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
You can't high paddle. That would that be called high paddling.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Well, you can do that after the serve happened. Oh okay, okay,
got it. I just want to Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
The ball is served.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Okay, got it.
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in a moment. Poll questions Todd or U Seaton. Who's
doing the honors?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Yeah, we got a couple.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
We'll start with a I think kind of an easy one.
Which team got most better this weekend? Lakers, MAVs are Spurs.
Oh okay, I like that, all right? The to double
D He's sent in two. The Luka Doncic Anthony Davis
trade benefits the Lakers, the MAVs both teams neither, But
then he sent in the one that was a little
more controversial. Staff dinners are dot dot dot generally a
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fun time, okay, depending on and where you're seated or mandatory.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
How would you answer your poll question?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Tom? I would say generally a fun time.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
But I've worked on other shows and been with other
staffs where every one of those three I could have
picked at different points in my career. Yesterday was a
fun time. But I've been in situations where I guess
I got to go to this thing. Everyone's gonna show up,
and it's gonna look like I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Want to hang out with these people.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
There's been other times where I'm like, this is cool,
but I really wanted to sit next to that guy
and he's at the other end of the table, and
now they stuck me here, and that's not great.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I know how that feels. Yeah, I was right.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Across from Paulie.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Paulie was next to you, and I go of all
the places, you know, the two siblings, like if you
and your brother and you don't like each other, don't
get along, and but you always sit.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Next to each other. You were there and you were
shot out of a camp.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
I thought it went very well, except that I was
a little too much of a chatterbox, and that was
a kind of irritating.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
You kept sit, Oh, what goes on upstairs? You can
go upstairs. Nobody's telling us, wait and go upstairs. Hey,
what if I get in that elevator?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Where where's that tap? I was sitting.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
We were sitting right on top of this big like
silver elevator. I was just very curious. And then there
was some kind of staircase and there was interesting lights.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
I didn't know if it used to be like some
kind of brothel or something like that, kind of different colors,
and things were.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Gone in it was why are we gonna go get
it was? It was just I don't know. I had
a vibe to it.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And then there was a birthday. Yeah, there was presentation.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
We had some video of that where Marvin, I think,
did you tell somebody it was your birthday and it
wasn't your birthday?
Speaker 7 (21:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
A couple of brgs, Oh, they said it was somebody
else's another brg's birthday.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
And there was some dancing going on.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yeah. So one of the brg's goes, Marvet, I've never
seen you turn your head faster in my life.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
That woman was right behind you.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
She sure was.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yes, there were a couple of women right behind you.
There were Yeah, birthday. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
That's our birthday. Shout out next time when somebody says, oh,
my wife Phyllis, she loves the show. It's her birthday.
That's the song from now on. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Marvin goes, hey, do you think we could go back
there today? And I say it's my birthday again? I said, sure,
you can do that all right? Eight seven seven three
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Speaker 6 (22:24):
Yeah, we're actually gonna put up two of them. We're
gonna put up Steph Dinners and we're gonna put up
which team got most better this weekend?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
All right?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Our next guest, you know him from his great football
calls on CBS in Westwood One he played in the NFL,
says he could have gotten into Princeton on his grades alone.
Nobody's buying that. His head is bigger than some compact cars.
You know him, you love him.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
He there's Ross Tucker.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Let's go and have him, all right, No, No, closer
to me, Closer to me.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Look at Ross Tunkers.
Speaker 13 (23:04):
Zero percent chance I would have gotten into printing without football.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Zero. The Valleytory in my high.
Speaker 13 (23:09):
School my year did not get in the same year
I got in.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
It was a little bit dicey.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And they wanted to get into Princeton.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah. All I ever want to do is play football
for Penn State.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
All they ever wanted to do was go to Princeville Harvard.
Speaker 13 (23:24):
And thankfully, by senior year he was a little bit
more relaxed that I could joke, And I said, listen, Richard,
while you were falling around studying, I was looking at
wait trying to get into the best colleges.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
He went to Columbia or Penn. He's a doctor. I'm
sure he's doing great.
Speaker 13 (23:37):
Yeah, but but yeah, I guess you know, they only
take so many people from EAT school, so I guess
I kind of took a spot.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Can you remember a sports shock in the NFL that's
anywhere near what we got with the NBA.
Speaker 13 (23:52):
I remember being very I'm not saying it's near where
the NBA is, but I remember Easter Sunday one year
the Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Redskins, and that
was like wow, right, I mean, you know in division
and Donovan had been the face of the Eagles franchise
(24:13):
for a decade. That was one where I think, you know,
I used to be working for a serious ExM. I
think we had an emergency show and I think they
called me like, can you do a show tonight Easter
Sunday night.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
To discuss that.
Speaker 13 (24:27):
I thought it was pretty crazy when the Patriots traded
Bledsoe to the Bills. Although you kind of knew that
was coming, not to this extent, not not like I
will say this, I don't know that much about the
NBA or that many guys, but the NBA. In the NBA,
if you're not sure what's happening, when in doubt, the
guy probably wanted out.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I mean, like, that's it seemed like all these guys.
Speaker 13 (24:50):
That's all they talk about in Philly now is Embid
and you know, Jimmy Butler. It just seems like if
you're not sure why a team was moving on from
a guy, that guy probably wanted I don't anything about Luca.
Maybe he loved Dallas, but that's just that's my two
cents about the NBA.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I thought about Andrew luck that that was oh yes,
because it felt like that he finally got the Colts
offensive line figured out that he was getting healthier, he
was in his prime, and then all of a sudden,
Chefty drops the bomb that he's retiring. And that was
during preseason when he was at the game on the sidelines,
(25:25):
and then the fans started booing him.
Speaker 13 (25:28):
Yeah, that really hurt my heart. I didn't like how
any of that went down. You're right, because what guy
retires in the middle or at least it comes out
in the middle of like the second preseason game. That's
just not a thing for a starting quarterback to retire
middle of the second or third preseason game. You're right,
And then they were booing him, and then he had
(25:48):
that awkward press conference and you know that's not how
he wanted it to go. I always think about situations
like that, Dan, I know you're similar.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Who did that? Like who told Schefty and Chef?
Speaker 13 (26:00):
You know, Scheffy did his job, but who somebody my guess,
and the cult organization was not happy and they put
it out there and kind of put Andrew in a
bad spot.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, Chefty tried to do a NFL camp on Luka
Doncik and Anthony Davis, and I think he said Joe
Burrow for Lamar Jackson, right, And that's not good. That's
why I've heard it's not even close. It would be
where you have somebody who is twenty five and then
a quarterback who's thirty two, a quarterback who's twenty five
and awesome, and then if you said Joe Burrow Dak Prescott,
(26:35):
that to me would be the comp Dak Prescott injured
A lot has had some success hasn't won anything. Joe
Burrow is twenty five and still in his prime. So
I would say that is that would be the modern
day NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Comp for me.
Speaker 13 (26:48):
So, and again I don't follow the MBDA that closely, Dan,
but everybody's saying, how could the MAVs do this?
Speaker 4 (26:52):
How could the MAVs do this?
Speaker 13 (26:54):
Whoever's running their organization, they're not that thomb right, Like,
there's got to be some reasoning, some logic. Maybe we'll
find out, maybe we won't. I saw where he's eligible
for the super Max in a year or two. Maybe
he told him I don't want to be there, like,
I'm not gonna sign this with you. If if you
want to get anything in return for me, you better
(27:14):
trade me. Now, there's got to be more to it that.
For whatever various reasons, agents and all that stuff, they
don't they want, they don't want to put.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
It out there.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, I think he was generally shocked. And I think
you have a GM.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Who basically says I'm either gonna be you know, champion
or vilified, Yeah, in three years from now. So it
feels like and there there's always you know, ancillary things
that go into this. But you know, they talked about
the Miami or the Mavericks culture that you know, these
players will buy into the MAVs culture, and maybe he didn't.
(27:50):
They talked about his weight and he was out of shape,
so you know, these code words that it felt like,
do we want to give this guy seventy five million
dollars a year?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Year? Right?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And I'm thinking, it's not like he's going to slow
down or he can't jump any hunt. He's like Luca
don Or. Yeah, he's like Joker where he's not going
to slow down because he's already slowed down. Like he
this is how he plays. He's gonna play old man
basketball the rest of his career. So that's what I
don't If he shows up with a you know, a
(28:23):
beer belly, cut off shorts, smoking cigarettes, I'd be like,
all right, that guy's still gonna get twenty five at night.
Speaker 13 (28:30):
So it's funny because the two things that jump out
to me, I'll never forget. I can't remember what game
they won last year. But after the game, he's drinking
a beer. Yeah, Michael Finley comes over.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
And takes it out of his hand.
Speaker 13 (28:42):
I thought, I don't know about that, Like he's the
best player. And it's one thing to say, hey man,
probably not a good idea to have that beer and everything,
like take it out of his head.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I'd be like, dude, who are you? I just won
the game for us with the NBA Finals. Give me
my beer. That's how I would have been, Give me
my beer.
Speaker 13 (28:58):
The other thing is there's certain I played basketball through
high school, loved it.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I get the guys that are fast, can jump.
Speaker 13 (29:06):
High, all those things I'm amazed by, like Brunson or Luca.
Damn they're slow, they can't jump, and yet there I
watched him.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
I'm like, how is he doing this?
Speaker 13 (29:18):
Because you know, it is hard to get your shot
off if you're not coming off a screen, off a dribble.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
The way they change it's really really impressive.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
But it's like, and we're talking to Ross Tucker a
CBS Sports, like Le'Veon bell he wasn't the fastest guy, right,
but he kind.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Of drifted drifted boom, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Drifted drifted boom, you know, And I guess there's comparisons
in all walks of life. Let me go back to
the trade, where Luca may thank the MAVs at some
point for restarting his career or getting to realize get
in shape, you can be one of the greatest players
of all time. I go back to when Chris Carter
was going through his drug problems and Buddy Ryan traded him. Yeah,
(29:59):
and Chris later in his career said he saved my
career because he he woke me up. I don't know
if it's to that degree with Luca that he you
know he does it's not drugs, but it's is taking
care of himself. And Buddy traded Chris and didn't want to,
but had to because he thought it was best for
Chris's career.
Speaker 13 (30:19):
But also maybe this is just who Luca is and
maybe he can keep going like this. I mean, isn't
Ovechkin about to break Gretzky's record? Ovechkin, I know some
guys that know he's been running hard for a while,
maybe not as much as he used to do, but
like the fact that that guy is gonna break Gretzky's record.
He's not only burns it at both ends, but he's
(30:40):
like a hitter, you know what I mean, Like he's
not like just your finesse.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
You know, goal scorer like Ovechkin.
Speaker 13 (30:45):
That that's incredible to me that he's still playing and
about the break that I can't believe.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I'm talking basketball.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Tim Legler here, if the Eagles win the Super Bowl,
and how will we look at how will history look
at that trade that the Eagles made getting Saquon barklay.
Speaker 13 (31:08):
Ooh, they will call it one of the best free
agent signings of all time. Yeah, they'll call it one
of the best free agent signs of all time. And
it'll just make it look even uglier for the Giants.
I mean, we talked about a little bit about McNabb
and bledsoee in division. Not only was Saquon and division.
We have it on tape, the owner saying to the
(31:31):
GM boy, I'd have a tough time sleeping. He's our
best player, he's by far our most popular player.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
And the owner kept that guy.
Speaker 13 (31:39):
The owner said, I would Can you imagine losing a
guy that might be a difference maker, may be offensive
player of the year Dan.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I think they offered him ten and a.
Speaker 13 (31:48):
Half eleven, but they weren't going to go to twelve
and a half or whatever. If you think about that,
these are the Giants are probably worth eight billion dollars,
right over a million and a half they let their
best and most popular player go to the other team
in their division. Don't you think in like just just
ticket sales and just jerseys, don't you think Saquan almost
(32:10):
makes up for that million and a half a year
like that. Stuff like that is the stuff I really
really don't understand.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I just hope that it revitalized the running back position
because I kept waiting, knew it would happen. I didn't
know would happened like this. But you got Derek Kentner, mean,
you got teams that really James Cook that they focus
on the run.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Josh Jacobs, Joe Mixon.
Speaker 13 (32:30):
There's a bunch of guys that got signed, older veteran guys.
You know, here's what's crazy, because I wrote about this
during the season. You know what, Michael Pittman for the Colts.
He's a good player, right, nice receiver. He makes twenty
four million dollars a year. He makes double Saquon. He
makes three times what Derek Henry makes. So kudos to
Howie Roseman and Eric DaCosta and the gms of the
(32:52):
Ravens and the Eagles for saying, wait, Mante, this is
not right, like a good game for Michael Pittman is
like six catches.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
For eighty eight yards.
Speaker 13 (33:00):
We're gonna give Saquon Barkley the ball one way or
the other twenty times a game. And I think they
also correctly figured out, you know, Saquon, if you get
him to the second level and he gets that speed
going look out. The Giants just could rarely do it.
But with the Eagles offensive line, he gets that space
to get up to twenty two miles an hour often.
(33:23):
And that's why we've had I said, I can't remember
a guy maybe Chris Johnson from the Titans that one year,
but I can't remember a guy with this many sixty
seventy yard right.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
This doesn't happen in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
It's great to see.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Always, man. I good to see you guys in person
for sure.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Thanks for all your contributions. We appreciate it. You're always
there for us. The audience loved you, and you know
we do you have the Eagles winning? Do you have
to have Eagles winning?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
No? I don't know.
Speaker 13 (33:50):
I think I don't know how you pick sirianni and
Hurts over Andy Reid and Mahomes no one score game.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I really don't.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I mean, I think the Eagles them.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And you covered the Eagles ull season.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I do their preseason games.
Speaker 13 (34:01):
I do multiple things for the Eagles, but when someone
asked for my prediction, I gotta go with what I
think is the most likely scenario. Most likely scenario is
one score game. In a one score game, I'm taking Mahomes,
Andy Reid over.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Hurts and Sara.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
They can do it.
Speaker 13 (34:16):
But I think the Eagles' best chance is if they
just run away from it with Sakua and win like
thirty four to twenty three. Eagles need to somehow either
win by two scores or be up by two scores late,
because if it's a one score game, We've seen that
movie over and over and over again.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
He's Ross Tucker with CBS Sports west Wood One. We'll
take a break. When we come back, we'll give you
our best and worst of the weekend. We'll also bring
you the play of the day right after this from
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we have a new poll question for hour two. Is
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(35:14):
top the next hour as we dive a little deeper
into the trade, the biggest sports shock that we've had
in quite some time. Marvin brought up a great point
that Michael Jordan going to play baseball was a bigger
shock than this. But as far as an actual trade,
it's new.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Marouno, I think, yeah, Pauline, I went.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
Back and looked at a couple with the NFL, and
the NFL is rarely as big with trades. But the
herschel Walker trade to Minnesota Vikings was October twelfth, nineteen
eighty nine. That was mid season and they got the
monstros Hall that turned out to be the Cowboys run
a couple years later. The other one was the Ricky
Williams draft no trade. Yeah, the coverage was out of
(35:54):
hand with Mike Dicka trading his entire draft to.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Draft Ricky Williams out of Texas.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
It's like Ditka didn't want to work, you know here
in New Orleans. He's like, you can take all my picks.
I just want Ricky Williams and then I can I leave?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Now?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Can I go get something eat and go get a drink?
What was the other one that you said, Herschel? Herschel
changed the NFL, I mean that changed the Cowboys. That
was pretty shocking as well. We talked about Andrew luck
when he announced that he was retiring in his prime
(36:28):
and that what he didn't announce it Shefty did. And
then all of a sudden, although Shefty did try to
wiggle his way into this by saying, you know, the
NFL comp would be Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow were like, no, no,
it wouldn't be that.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
It would be.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Dak Prescott traded for Joe Burrow. That would probably be
similar guy who's thirty two injury prone and a guy
who is twenty five who's in his prime.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Yes, Marvin, and also the Dak Prescott portion of it,
it's the biggest franchise in that sport.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
So the Lakers, all right, look at you, you're doing
extra work every day is a super Bowl I know,
I know.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Usually for me it's a divisional round, but today is
the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
It's kind of a wild card weekend sometimes with us.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
All right.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Our next guest from NBC Sports played quarterback at Texas,
played in the NFL, and he loves to visit a dispensary.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
He never played football high.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
That we know of. Here's Chris m.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
No.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
I don't ever smoke.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
On the job. I never smoke on the job.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Never.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Never. I'm an end of the day kind of guy.
So even you know, even post football, right, I mean
never never.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
So when you've done football night in America, never done
anything right?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Never never.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, I can't. I can't do it that way.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Or pro football talk with Mike Florio.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Early in the morning, waking bake. No, that's not happening either,
right seven am.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
But in college, you may have, yeh.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
In college is kind of where it starts, right, It's
kind of where I started to be go down that
route of smoking a little. I didn't think we were
going to be starting our super Bowl conversation with this
conversation here, but but either way we might as well. Yeah,
it started in college a little bit, just because like
you know, sixth Street, Austin, Texas. I'd go out with
my friends, I'd have drinks and I'd be like, man,
(38:18):
I just can't do it. I don't like drinking, and
I'd get hung over or throw up or whatever. And
that's where I started to dabble in the you know,
smoking a.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Little bit, okay, but the whole thing about dealing with
pain with athletes, I mean, this is serious.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
This is definitely serious.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, yeah, but where are we going with that medicinal
use of marijuana with athletes? And I don't know if
it helps with CTE. I don't know what the study.
I don't know all that either.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
I do know that it's a better option than options
that were out there before, right. I had teammates and
friends who certainly got into opioid addictions because, yeah, especially
in my day back in you know, the twenty ten
two thousand and eight, the drug testing was more much
more strict, so you weren't going to be able to
do that, and so guys then would go to the
pill route, and it caused problems, I mean lots of problems,
(39:07):
whether it was you know, with their stomach and their
digestive system, them getting addicted to it, whatever, the mental
aspect of it. But I think we're at a much
better place now, and I think you know, the we're
accepting of it. I mean, look, we're sitting at super
Bowl fifty nine starting off a conversation with it.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Are these the two best teams in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yes, yeah, they're the two best. I mean the Ravens
would have been right there with it, right, I mean
the Ravens. The Ravens when the playoffs started, or the
team I picked up go to the Super Bowl. I thought, like,
when this playoffs started, I said, man, the Ravens are
playing the best ball right now, like they look like
they're peaking. But certainly the Chiefs are right there with them.
The Eagles, though, I don't know if, like I can't
emphasize this enough. I've been trying to say this for
about the last month. The Eagles aren't all star team.
(39:49):
It's one of the best teams we've seen post like
the new free agency, you know, Salary cap Era well
constructed teams that I've ever seen. It's one of the
best O lines ever. I would put it up there
with the nineties Cowboys. It's that good. It is that good.
They run three plays and he runs for two thousand yards.
They run three plays. They don't run a lot of
(40:11):
pass plays either. There kinda give me the three plays.
They run inside zone, outside zone, and you'll see two
pullers every now and then.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
It's the only three runs they run.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
And they go, we're so good at it, screw you
or coming at you with it, and you can't stop it.
That's how good they are, and offensively in their past game.
You know, this is one of the things I worry
about with the game is because they My thing with
the matchup is kind of brains versus braun. It's the
Chiefs who do everything, and it's the Eagles who are
just like, we're here and you know what we're gonna do,
(40:41):
and you still can't stop it, and they pose problems
for you. The Eagles with that o line, that running game,
Jalen Hurt's ability to run the ball, and then of
course he's a good deep ball thrower, that's his best thing.
So now you get one on one with AJ Brown
and Devonte Smith, they cause problems for you, and that's
where this game is going to be really interesting.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
But it feels like there's a concer effort to have
Jalen hurts throw less, Yeah, yeah, they're better when he
throws less.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I think it kind of just manifested that way a
little bit between. Yeah, they were running the ball, well,
I don't think he was playing his best football. Then
he got hurt, and then they kind of got like
pigeonholed into Oh, he's not hitting on all cylinders right
now and playing his best football, So let's lean on
the run game a little bit more. But if he
throws the ball like he did in the NFC Championship, right,
(41:28):
that's the Chiefs will have to play a special, special
game to beat them.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
I think.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, But is.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It more important that the Eagles offense that's great or
the Eagles defense is great?
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Ooh, that's a good question there. I would say more
the Eagles defense though.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Still the Eagles defense. The Eagles defense, it's the best
in football. They got everything, right, Jalen Carter is arguably
the best defensive player in the game. They got really
good secondary players. They're simple too, though. Vic Fangio it's hey,
he's the man. I have mad respect for Vic Fangio.
But they're another team. They don't do a lot. They're
kind of just like Hey, we're good. We know what
(42:02):
we're going to do. We know you can't expose us
in our rules because we're so you.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Know, honed in on all of it.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
And they're gonna, i think, have to change a little
bit because can you sit there and play MC zone
against Patrick Mahomes all game? No, no way. That's what
happened in Buffalo the first two series. They played zone
and he just went zoo zoom zoone zoom zoom, and
then they went, oh crap, let's play man for the
rest of the game. And then you saw all these
man plays as the game went on. And that's going
to be one of the chess matches of this thing
(42:29):
is can Philly play the defense they want to play
against this guy playing quarterback?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
But also does Jalen Hurts try to do too much?
You know, when you're opposite Patrick Mahomes, right, you're opposite
a great player. Sure you kind of want to match
them exactly, Josh Allen, is you know, falling prey to this?
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Lamar Jackson, right, it's all that. You know. People go,
oh they choked. They go, no, Lamar didn't choke. Lamar
wants it so bad. He's trying to do everything to
get there. Right, He's got a guy holding on his
leg and he's doing a three point stance trying to
like three sixty out of it to still make a throw,
and then he fumbles the football. He's not choking, he's
just maybe doing too much. Same with Josh Allen, certainly. Yeah,
you don't want to fall in that trap if you're
(43:08):
Jalen Hurts. He was pretty good in the first Super Bowl, right,
I mean the fumble was a huge part of the game, certainly,
But if he plays like that again, then they're going
to be really tough to beat.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Let's say the Chiefs win.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Greatest team of all time?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I mean it's the greatest team of all time in
a four or five year span.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Maybe that's what this season, if what they've done, Yeah,
can you label them the greatest?
Speaker 3 (43:33):
This is this season? No?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
No, no way, no way.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Okay, which team is the greatest?
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Gosh? I mean it's hard for me not to look
at like the ninety two Cowboys and the eighty nine
to forty nine Ers and teams like that where I go.
You know, again, it's a little unfair because as you know,
it's it's pre salary cap. Yeah, and those teams were stacked.
But those teams, I mean, we go back, those teams
weren't eking out every game going all right. I hope
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they missed the field goal. I hope, I hope something
magical happens. Those teams were dominating football teams. I think
you can remember that, and yeah, I don't know if
it matches up with that.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
I'm talking to Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co host.
You can see that on Peacock prior to our show,
Chris Sim's Unbuttoned podcast and a contributor to NBC Football
Night in America, the football equivalent to Luca and Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
I know, I heard you say that, and I did
see Schefter's tweet too, and it was something more along
the lines of, like what you were saying, older good
quarterback for somebody in his prime I don't know, right,
And you know, a Jared Goff type at age for
one of these young whipper snappers who's a star right now?
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
You know, I mean to me, there's four quarterbacks that
stand alone in football right now, and you know who
they are. The mahomes Lamar, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow
are on another level. Then we can get a discussion
about the other guys. But those four are like far
and away the best in the game right now. But
you look back on the Herschel deal, Yeah, yeah, I
remember it, man. That changed the Cowboys. Yes, I mean
it won them three super Bowl chang Football.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Right right, Andrew Luck announcing his retirement, it changed some stuff.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
That was one of those where you didn't believe it, right.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
But I don't know if there's anything else that comes
to mind, because you normally don't get big NFL trade No.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
I mean Eric Dickerson in the eighties, I remember him right,
that was a big one. That was a big deal.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
You guys hit on Ricky Williams.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Of course that was a huge draft day. But yeah,
nothing that I can like, nothing where you can go
star for star like that. I mean, I'm not even
in NBA mode. But I woke up on Sunday morning,
like what we did?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
This was this real?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
My son texts me and he's like, did this really happen?
And I was like, I think it did. I did
the same thing.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
But I had people texting me that just said OMG
or WT.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, I don't even know what they're talking about, right, Yeah,
I just saw Luca.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
I think that was the first text I got. I
can't believe they traded Luca. And I'm like, what you
know looking around.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Off season, Sam Darnold, you know what the Raiders doing.
Chip Kelly just got hired.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah, see, I like that.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I like Pete Carroll being the head coach there. You know,
they're kind of a team that's in a little disarray.
You get a guy in there that kind of lead
them into the future in the right direction. How long
that future will be, I don't know. But Pete can
certainly energize an organization.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
But can you bring in Russell Wilson if you're pet Carroll,
even though Russ tried to get Pete fired.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
And stay exactly no like other than that, nor Nor
I mean, I don't think even from a football like
decision making process, that's a logical thing to do. Right now,
I would be shocked if he's back with the Steelers
as the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I wouldn't have him back. I would I would try
with Justin Field.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
If you gave me the option of him or Justin Fields,
I'd go there's more upside with Justin Fields. I think
Russell maybe he gets another shock to be a starter somewhere.
But if it does, it's gonna be something like Sam
Donald was just a part of like, hey, we're gonna
sign you, but we might draft a quarterback too, right,
you're just gonna be a bridge guy. But I don't
even know if that's gonna happen. It'll be interesting, Sam
Donald will be interesting.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
That could see you paying Rock perty is your buddy.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
I don't know. Y Chanie gonna probably want me to
talk about these subjects and say these things, but I
wouldn't pay him, like pay him what you know what
full vote, No way, no way, that's crazy. I think
that's crazy. I this has to stop, you know, to me,
like again, I'll go to the Dolphins too with two
of fifty five million a year for what? Who was
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gonna pay him thirty five million a year? Well, they're
negotiating against themselves, Like why no, nobody's gonna like go,
oh my gosh, the forty nine ers didn't pay brock Purty.
Let's trade the farm for him, or let's we'll break
the bank for him. He's really good, But what's wrong
with paying the quarterback thirty five million dollars a year
when he's kind of the middle of the pack quarterback
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in the NFL. That's where I look at Brock Purty.
I think he's about fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen, somewhere in
that range, you know.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
So I don't.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I don't. I wouldn't do that, And I think that's
how teams are going to mess up their you know,
their teams and their rosters for the future making those decisions.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
The Titans on record is talking about generational talent the
top of the draft. Generational talent doesn't sound like the
two quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
I don't know they are either, You're right, I mean,
whether they talking about Travis Hunter maybe. I mean, I
don't know if that's the guy they're trying to Carter
or Abduall Carter, somebody like that. The quarterbacks, I do
like them, I do now. I mean, do I like
them as much as the top two guys as last year?
And you know, I haven't gotten into studying these guys
quite yet. But of course watch college football and I
love Shador Sanders. I think he's old school. I mean,
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when I watch him, I think it's Doug Williams. He's
just standing back there like I'm gonna throw a rifle
down the field speed?
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Right?
Speaker 8 (48:36):
How did that happen?
Speaker 1 (48:37):
I said that to my wife the other day. I
was like, isn't it funny? His son's this big pocket
passing quarterback, strong, makes good decisions, puts the ball wherever
he wants, Slow as hell, slow as hell. Even Dean's
the fastest human I've ever seen in a football field.
Cam Ward's special too, though. I do like cam Ward.
I do. Cam Ward's got a little more size to
him than I thought. And of course his ability his
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arm is real to all the different angles, the strength
of it, and then of course he can make people
miss in the pocket to then throw the ball down
the field too. He's pretty damn good.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Can you see Dion influencing the draft? How would he
influence the draft? I think he could influence it. Just
you know, Dion's a master, right. I'm one of the
reasons I wore number two is because of Dion. Dion
and your slow is held hill so hell right. So
all the quarterbacks that like Dion are slow and they're
not like Deon.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Right, That's why I dreamed it.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Like you didn't want your Dan's number?
Speaker 1 (49:32):
I mean, I did for a little, but you know,
when I got to like freshman year in high school,
Dion and Derek Jeter were kicking some butt and I
was like, no quarterbacks are wearing number two? And I
was like, I'm going to be the guy that brings
two to life, right, That's kind of what I thought.
Of course, I didn't bring it much to life, but
I literally almost tried to die in it when I
lost my sling and all of it. But either way,
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imagine how history would have treated you.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
You left it all out on the field.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Right right, I see Kyle Trask wearing two. I'm like,
they didn't retire my jersey? What are they doing down
there in Sampa? How could they do that to me?
Only guy ever that almost died on the field. Where
is your split? I guess in a garbage somewhere. You know,
they didn't even let you keep it, no, would you?
What do you think I was going to bring it
home and put on like the trophy case and be like, hey, guys,
look at this.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
You know I would have displayed Thomas did this to me.
I would have displayed it.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
On the show. Honestly, I'm crazy enough that I probably
would have, but yeah, I never got that option, and
you know things were kind of emergency at that point,
so yeah, that was it. Yeah, but Dean Ken influenced
the draft. I think if his son tells him he's
not feeling a spot or whatever like that, Dean will
say it publicly or let the message out there that
they're not in favor of it. And that's where I
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feel like he can sway things a little bit.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
We just had Ross Tucker on Last Hour and he
of course covers the Eagles throughout the season. He's taking
the Chiefs over the Eagles because he said, I can't
go against Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes if it's.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Going to be a one score game. I know that's
the hard thing. There's no doubt the Eagles are better
than the Chiefs, there's no doubt, but they have to
be up by at least ten with too many Do
you feel like they got to be like that? It's
got to be one of those games twenty four. If
it's thirty to twenty four, I'm gonna even sitting on
the couch going, oh crap, they're in trouble. They're in trouble.
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Here he comes, here comes fifteen so yes, I agree
with you. There. I'm gonna tell you I am. I
feel like I'm leaning Eagles. I lied to you last year. Yeah,
you did know because I got scared. I was kind
of in between. And it was a Monday, and I
was I was afraid that the Shanahans and all my
family friends and all my Texas friends were gonna go,
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what the f You picked the Chiefs right on the
Monday to start the Super Bowl. So I was like
a little undecided. I was like, I think I'm gonna
pick the Chiefs. But I came on here and said
the forty nine ers, and then of course, as you
saw on my shows and everything, I picked the Chiefs
later in the week.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Are you lying to me?
Speaker 1 (51:52):
I will not lie to you now. There's no There's
no friends or family here that I'm worried about, right,
there's no connections with the Paer the Chiefs. I don't
know if I am. I think I'm going to take
the Eagles. I think I'm going to take the Eagles.
I'm going to go with the team that I think
is the best. Now, the Chiefs continually can ruin that,
and they've done that to me. I'm not sure, they've
been the better team in any Super Bowl they've played yet,
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I don't.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Know, but they've they've graduated to the Brady Belichick definitely.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
And they've graduated to like, wait, oh, this is a
clutch moment. Do I have a pulse? Right? I Mean,
that's that's where they're scary. When you win a super
Bowl and you do it the way they did it,
nothing can make them nervous anymore, Nothing like when I
see them in Week eight and I'm like, these guys
aren't nervous after three ten point deficits in the Super
Bowl to come back and win. They don't give a
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crap about Week eight. We're down by four in the
fourth quarter, and I don't think they'll care about this one.
The start of the game is gonna be big in
this because I do think the Eagles are going to
manage emotions a little and the Chiefs are gonna be like,
let's go. We've been here before. And that's where I
do worry about the Eagles letting the game get away
from them right out of the gate.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
Great to talk to you, Always great to talk to
you too.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
I'm Mike.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Off of the end, did I hear Russ, I mean
Ross sat there. No, No, he said first, I know
he was going to what I don't know.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Yeah, he's alignment. I know to tell him where to go.
Come on, Ross, We went to Princeton, smaller but not smart.
Princeville smart like Chrissy looks smart but can't go Cross
and Cross one.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
And contributed to Football Night in America his podcast Unbuttoned.
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Speaker 1 (53:45):
Final hour on.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
This Monday here in New Orleans, we'll talk to Brian
Wyndhorst to the mother Ship, and Big Mike and Little
Mike Goldick will stop by as well. More phone calls,
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saw that you like you didn't like?
Speaker 3 (54:00):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
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the Mavericks and the Lakers did. So we'll talk to
Wendy about that Super Bowl week underway.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
It's media night tonight.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
These teams are savvy enough to know there's probably not
going to be Now there might be questions. I don't
know if there'll be answers that will garner any headlines.
Chip Kelly quietly leaves Ohio State for the Raiders offensive
coordinator job, which was surprising as well. Pull question for
the final hour before we get to Brian Windhorse Seaton,
what are we going to go with?
Speaker 1 (54:45):
It might be right there. Would you rather work for
Ohio State or the Raiders?
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (54:50):
Both of them are great jobs.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
All right, we'll get phone calls coming up.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at TP show
busy man. Brian Windhorne kind enough to join as ESPN
Senior NBA writer. Your reaction when you got that text
or tweet was what Brian, Well.
Speaker 14 (55:09):
There was nothing. I mean when I say nothing there,
I had no indication at all. You know, very rarely
are people in my business totally surprised by a transaction.
A lot of times we can't say everything we know.
A lot of times we don't see all four corners
of it. So well, here's something come out and we'll go, ah,
I see the complete the pieces fall in place. It
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is very unusual that there's a transaction like this that
comes clear out of the blue. There was nothing zero
in the world, in our world about this. And I
think as far as I and I believe that people
are telling me, I mean, I, you know, reserve the
right to say I have new information, But I don't
think the players knew either. I really really don't believe that.
I know that that's hard to believe. But that's how.
Speaker 5 (55:53):
Rare of an instance this is.
Speaker 14 (55:54):
And we're also talking about a situation where two in
their prime star players are traded for each other. That
does not happen in the history of the NBA. There's
never been a current All NBA player traded for a
current All NBA player in the middle of the season.
We've definitely seen star players get traded. We've definitely seen
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shock star players get traded. We've never seen Star for
star like this when it also when it involves the
number one most popular franchise in the NBA and one
of the most in the world. So the sequence of
one off events here is pretty remarkable.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Okay, but do we know the why? Like why did
this happen?
Speaker 5 (56:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 14 (56:36):
So I know that people, I know that there's a
desire to say there must be more to it, and
I can't. I don't have all of it. I can't
say that there isn't. But I honestly believe the Mavericks
came to a decision after really going through a frustrating
year with Luca, and it's been a very frustrating year,
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and just to reset that they're coming off the finals,
Luca comes to camp and immediately gets hurt. Now I'm
not a doctor. I don't know everything about that injury,
but I think they were frustrated that he had that
injury and they thought that maybe he wasn't right necessarily
ready for camp. After he gets that injury, he gets
out of shape, out of shape to the point that
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when he comes back and plays healthy with the injury,
they say he's shut down for a hand injury, and
he was injured with that, but he also was getting
in better shape. You know, when he came back, he
had allowed himself to get more and more out of shape.
Comes back, starts playing well again, and then repeats the injury.
And again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not going to
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tell you that that was physical conditioning. But I suspect
that they felt that they were not thrilled with the conditioning.
Speaker 5 (57:46):
So they go through a very frustrating year.
Speaker 14 (57:48):
But it's on top of other frustrations they had, and
this summer he's gonna be a position to sign a
three hundred and fifty million dollars super Max contract. Now,
most of the time, teams celebrate when a player qualifies
for this the Golden the Oklahoma City Thunder, for example,
shake gildas Alexander has qualified for the Supermax. I believe
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he's eligible to sign it at six pm on June thirtieth.
I promise you the paper book will be at his
in his hands. Whether or not he signs it. I'm
sure he will when he signs. I don't know, but
I'm promising you the thunder. Are we going to fall
all over themselves to get this guy locked up for
that three hundred million dollar deal.
Speaker 5 (58:26):
Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1 (58:27):
They were ready to go.
Speaker 14 (58:28):
With a three hundred million dollar deal. They couldn't have
been more excited to get this guy locked up. The
whole purpose of that being in the CBA is so
that you have a superstar player. He is outrageously incentivized
to the tune of one hundred plus million dollars to
stay with your team. It is basically the Kevin Durant
rule for Lebron James rule, so that those guys will
not leave for nothing. And even if you weren't one
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hundred and fifty percent sure you wanted to give him
the money, the conventional wisdom would be you give him
the contract anyway, so that if you want to trade him,
you trade him with the five years on the contract
so that the player can't leverage you in a trade.
Speaker 5 (59:06):
That's what happened with Dame Lillard.
Speaker 14 (59:07):
Lillard signs this five year contract, then the Blazers trade
him so that he couldn't say, you got to trade
me to Miami. They can trade him to the best place,
which was Milwaukee in that case. Okay, and so for
the Mavericks to do this now, it means that they
didn't even want to enter into that contract with him,
and it also means that they thought that they could
do better this season now with Anthony Davis, that they
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think that if they did this season they did this
deal now, that they could make a better run in
the playoffs. And so it's a high level shocking and
complete repudiation of Luka Doncic as a superstar franchise player,
and it results in this trade, which is going to
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be a historic sliding doors moment.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
I think, okay, well, then give me the upside and
the downside for the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
So the Lakers.
Speaker 14 (01:00:01):
First off, the Lakers had a succession problem. Lebron is
forty years old. Whether he's got a year or two left,
he's on his way out. He's no longer a first
team All NBA player. Anthony Davis is there, but he's
aging too. And I would say that while I am
a big, gigantic believer in that when you win a championship,
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it means never having to say you're sorry, and they
have a championship, they have a banner and so, but
the Lebron ad partnership, it hasn't been a glorious unmitigated success.
Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
It's been a success.
Speaker 14 (01:00:39):
They should have no regrets, no looking back, but it
hasn't gone the way that the hopes and dreams were.
So they had this challenge of how do they move
on from Lebron at some point? How do they get
their next star? And I thought that would be a
problem for two years from now. This falls into their
lap and they have to say yes. The direction of
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the French was not let's try to acquire Luka Doncic
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
It fell into their lap.
Speaker 14 (01:01:05):
They had to say yes, I know that there's been
a thought, well, was there an issue with Lebron and Ad?
Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
Was there an issue with Ad and JJ Reddick? Was
there an issue? No? The phone rang and they said
do you want Luka Doncic?
Speaker 14 (01:01:16):
The answer is yes, And not only that while you are,
you are recognizing that you are acquiring a player the
other team is giving up on. They can now sign
him to a contract this summer.
Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
Dan. That's one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 14 (01:01:31):
Less than what it would cost the Mavericks because he
will not qualify for the Supermax and you get a
twenty five year old Megastar on a quote unquote discount.
He does have issues warts whatever, It's an absolute no
brainer for the Lakers. They had to say yes. If
they didn't say yes, everybody in the organization should.
Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
Have been fired.
Speaker 14 (01:01:51):
So that's where they are, that's where they are going forward.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
They are in a different.
Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
Reality now than they were five days ago. Their team
is different.
Speaker 14 (01:01:59):
They got problems, they had to fix their roster, but
they're no longer thinking about Lebron and a d They're
not thinking about number seventy seven going forward.
Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
We're talking to Brian Winhors ESPN, senior NBA writer. I
couldn't help but think of David Stern. Would David Stern
have green lighted this.
Speaker 14 (01:02:16):
Oh, absolutely, because he saw it as an opportunity to
get Luka Doncic into the Lakers for the next ten years.
I mean I'm hearing from like I was talking to
some NBA executives yesterday and they're like, Jesus Christ, the
freaking Lakers like blah blah blah, and you know, and
they're like, your bosses probably love it, and I go,
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you're damn right, that's true. And so the opportunity for
the Lakers to you know, and this has happened throughout
our whole lives. You know, Will Chamberlain, Kareem Ubdul Jabbar,
Shaquille O'Neill. I mean, forget about the guys they drafted,
forget about Kobe and Magic like you know Worthy, We're
talking about guys that mid career Lebron Paul Gasol mid
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career arrived in LA. However, it happened and has labeled
the franchise to continue its run of dominance.
Speaker 5 (01:03:09):
I was talking to one executive.
Speaker 14 (01:03:11):
Yesterday, not from the Clippers, and he was like, man,
I feel for the Clippers today.
Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
They're about ready to get rid of Lebron.
Speaker 14 (01:03:16):
They've got this gorgeous arena, you know, they're establishing their
own franchise. They're having this really positive their their neck
and neck. They're about to pass the Lakers and the
standings if they win tomorrow they're playing here in LA
and then they get hit with this right hook that
Luka Doncic is now going to be a Laker for
the next decade. So but I do think on the whole,
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on the on the balance, maybe not to somebody in
Oklahoma City or Minneapolis, it's an incredible development. For the
league with the belief that Luca fulfills his potential, which
is what the Mavericks are saying they don't think will happen.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Bigger shock when Jordan went to play baseball or this
Luca Anthony Davis.
Speaker 14 (01:03:54):
Do geez, Dan, you'd be better to ask answer that.
I mean, when Jordan wants to play baseball was one
of those things that was so crazy. I mean, people
to this day are still trying to come up with
a conspiracy theory for that.
Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
That was a bigger shock. I guess because magic becouse.
Speaker 14 (01:04:08):
Michael was in his career, in the middle of his career,
and he went to go play minor league baseball. But
this is a bigger shock in terms of what the
effect that it had. Well not efecked on the league
isn't even accurate. I guess Jordan was a bigger shock.
But now we get to watch these players still play.
Jordan left the league. The league, you know, was hurting
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from it. This is the league in theory can benefit
from it.
Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
I know you're busy. Thanks for making time.
Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
Thanks, Dan, have a great week out there.
Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
That's Brian Windhorst, ESPN Senior NBA writer Paulie says, we
have an emergency fill in the blank game, and it's
NFL news, NFL breaking news. Okay, are you ready, Dan, Okay,
fill in the blank emergency.
Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Does this rival Luca to the Lakers?
Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Paulie.
Speaker 7 (01:04:54):
No, but it's really high up there in the football world. Now,
you're the only contestant in this game.
Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (01:04:59):
Blank has requested the trade from Blank. Blank has requested
the trade from Blank. Big time football player. Okay, Blank,
here's a hint. He's frustrated because he's not playing in
big time AFC title game.
Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Lamar Jackson has asked to be traded.
Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
No, not a tick below that.
Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Joe Burrow has asked to be traded.
Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Not an offensive player. Miles Garrett has asked to be traded.
Speaker 7 (01:05:29):
Miles Garrett has requested the trade from the Cleveland Browns.
He put out a statement less than five minutes ago,
thanking the town.
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
All I want to do is play in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (01:05:39):
With that said, I'm officially requesting a trade from the
Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Did he just realize that the Browns sunk? Like?
Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Did he think they were going to get better?
Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
Yeah, I think he did think they were going to
get better. Yes, Yes, I think I give him a
lot of credit for sticking it out this long. Like
he tried, He really did, he tried. Yeah, and time
is ticking. Yeah, I'm getting the hell out of here.
Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
But didn't they say that no matter what number of
draft picks you give, they weren't going to give up
Miles Garrett. Wasn't like you can give two first round picks. Yes, Paul,
I think.
Speaker 7 (01:06:11):
I could quickly make the case this might be a
good day for the Cleveland Browns if they can find
a way out of Deshaun Watson's contract, which I have
the feeling they're going to with some of the things
he's been doing in the off season without a walking group, maybe,
and if they get a haul for Miles Garrett, they
could be set up for the future. Now what they
do those draft picks, as you always said, Dan is
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the base of it. But they got the best of
Miles Garrett. They're not going anywhere anytime soon. Might as
well get the huge.
Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Price for him. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
And by the way, people have asked, are am I
going to talk about Justin Tucker the way I did
Deshaan Watson? I said I would talk about the football
part of this That's the most important part for me
in what we do. It is looking worse. More people
are coming out. If there's lawsuits here, will he be
released by the raven Like, I'm not going to try
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this case. But it's the same thing with Deshaun Watson.
Is it going to lead to him getting another job?
Where's he gonna go? What do you get in return
for him? Those are all the things that we covered.
If Justin Tucker is guilty of this and he has to,
you know, pay loss whatever it is, now fine, I'll
cover that. I have to cover the football part of this.
That's what we do here. It's not court TV, and
(01:07:24):
I will cover this the way that we did Deshaun Watson.
I did not get caught up in all the other
ancillary stuff there. But Miles Garrett looking at the future
there with the Cleveland Browns, They're gonna have another quarterback.
I don't think Deshaun Watson ever plays for them again,
and you start to wonder that in that division. You know,
(01:07:45):
Baltimore is still good, Bengals are good, Steelers still going
to be formidable as well, and the Cleveland Browns are
going to be the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Miles Garrett has a real Dame Lillard quality to him,
Like he tried, he tried to make it work with
this franchise that wasn't doing great, and you know what,
I got to move on and try to you know,
brought on my horizons to try to get to.
Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
A super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Because he's one of those players that you don't see.
Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
You'll have to go out of your way to watch
you and then you'll hear other players say, you know,
he's best defensive player, he's unstoppable, meme, he's all these things.
We just don't get to see him on a big stage.
We got to see Aaron Donald win a Super Bowl
and his play, the last play of that game helped
them win a Super Bowl. Like that's what you want.
You want great players playing in big moments, Yes, Marv.
Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Yeah, because right now, if you're not a big time
football fan, he's a snap your fingers guy. Like you
know who else is really good? Who's my guy from
from Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
And he doesn't want to be that.
Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Yeah, I don't blame him.
Speaker 7 (01:08:43):
Yes, Paulie, I love that We've spent last hour talking
about huge football historical trades and this one happens during
our show. This guy's five time All Pro in the
past five years. He's twenty nine years old, and he's
just showing no signs of the client.
Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
What's he worth? I don't know. The Golics will join
us all I ask them? I mean, is it two
first round picks and a player?
Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
And can the Lakers grab him too? Mavericks love this?
Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Stay if the Mavericks were running the Browns? And do
you want Miles Garrett too? And I've seen Miles play basketball.
He's a really good basketball player. All right, we'll get
the phone calls. The Golics will join us on this Monday.
We'll take a break. We're back after this on The
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Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
We go to dinner last night.
Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
On the way to dinner, Paul, he's telling me about
how great the Flag Football game was NFC AFC.
Speaker 7 (01:09:55):
I said, I just can't Paul, I can't. I don't
know if you use the word great, shockingly decent. It
was competitive and fun and they had a lot of
fun micing up people in comparison to the last few
actual Pro Bowls with physicality air quotes.
Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Yeah, it was fun, it was lighthearted.
Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
The NFC did win over the AFC and they won
the Pro Bowl games.
Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
They also won the relay race and the Tug of War.
Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
AFC won the Punt Perfect event as well.
Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
In case you're just joining us, where have you been?
Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Miles Garrett has asked the Cleveland Browns to trade him.
I thought the Cleveland brown said that no matter what
you gave them, gave him a couple of first time
draft picks, they wouldn't be trading him. But he just
made that public and sent out a statement basically saying
goodbye to the Cleveland Browns and the city of Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Next up is the Golicks.
Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
The father son team known for their football and great
job on their Draft Kings podcast. One of them seems
to be getting smaller as he gets older, the other
one not so much.
Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Here's Mike Golick and Mike well like junior.
Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Yeah look at that?
Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (01:11:13):
That's some great writing, right, Yeah, appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Yeahs accurate?
Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Accurate?
Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
No, you know, not wrong, especially not this week. But
you know he goes by Big Mike, and you're bigger
than big mind.
Speaker 15 (01:11:26):
The the worst part about working with my dad has
been the full head of hair and the weight loss. Like,
as my dad has gotten healthier, who wouldn't want that
for their parents?
Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
Right?
Speaker 15 (01:11:35):
Doing well late in life as my dad goes to
his remaining years and is taking as good a care
of himself as.
Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
He can remaining years. Yeah, you know, are you in hospice?
Speaker 8 (01:11:45):
Oh my god?
Speaker 10 (01:11:45):
Well, I mean what is he he's leading? I have
a leash on like the kids in the in the mall. Yeah,
he puts a leash on me this expedition. You know,
he's he talks so much better than I ever talked.
He's smarter than I ever was my only comeback whenever
he to me his live hair, it.
Speaker 8 (01:12:03):
Goes to the well on that early and all that work.
Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Really sick.
Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Yeah, if you fought right now.
Speaker 10 (01:12:07):
Oh, tell him tell him about when it when it's
the change over.
Speaker 15 (01:12:12):
This was easter I think my junior year of college.
So I'm you know two ninety five best shape in
my life. Dad's i mean double digit shoulder surgeries and
he's begun the weight loss journey. But we're back at
my grandmother's house, the house he grew up in in Willowick, Ohio,
and we had gone back and forth and he had
always said, whenever you think you're ready for it, we'll
(01:12:32):
go out there. And he's a former collegiate wrestler, so
he said, we'll go out there and we'll see if
you can get up from off the mat. We did
it in his front yard in jeans and polos, after
my grandmother had cooked us Easter brunch, and I.
Speaker 8 (01:12:44):
Embarrassed him in front of his entire childhood neighborhood.
Speaker 10 (01:12:46):
He did, he did in front of the whole neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
Yeah, that was it. That was it.
Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
You know, aout watching he knows rob the weak spots, well,
that has to be.
Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Hellie Long probably had this same moment, Yes, exactly his voice.
Speaker 10 (01:12:58):
Yes, Oh, I'm sure it. It's just a matter of
when it changed over. If you ask how, he's going
to say it never changed over, but we know it does.
Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
He probably had that that that horseshoe.
Speaker 10 (01:13:08):
Yeah, it's exactly there. That dude looks so good in
the uniform. I we were both the linemen and that's
where the that's where the sameness.
Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Entends, all right, Miles Garrett speaking a defensive lineman, has
basically said goodbye to the city of Cleveland and the
Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
What's he worth on the open market?
Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 10 (01:13:28):
I mean remember when he came in the league and
there were there were executives that thought he was too
philosophical to be a dog in the league.
Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Dinosaurs, I mean unbelievable.
Speaker 10 (01:13:38):
Well, the thing about it is Dan is how much
power does an NFL player have? We know basketball players
have power, but how much power does an NFL But
he has years left on his contract, so how much
power can he actually wield? It's going to have to
be the business decision on the side of the Browns
to say do we want to just force him to
stay or do we want to say, okay, he wants
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to be gone, get the best deal we can get.
Speaker 15 (01:14:01):
Yeah, I mean he's got to be worth you know,
I mean as close to quarterbly vices and trades where
you're talking about first rounders are multiple unders, especially as
you said, they've got control if you've got him and
you've got three years left on a deal and he's
in the prime of his career, a player like that,
who is in you know it's him, Michael Parsons, t J. Jononds,
These guys that are true game wreckers that every offensive
(01:14:23):
coordinator has to spend the first and last moments of
their meetings talking about. There's really not a price too
high to pay. I think at this point for a guy.
Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Like where does Jalen Carter come into that conversation with
these defensive lineup.
Speaker 10 (01:14:35):
Jalen Carter has entered superstar status. You know that was
kind of Chris Jones, Aaron Donald obviously before he left.
Chris Jones lining up a d tackle also at edge
on third downs. But Jalen Carter is what he does
with Chris Jones? Does they play on the other side
of the line. And that's what I meant, God Rest
the soul guy played with Jerome Brown as an interior
(01:14:56):
D lineman played on the other side of the line,
and it always does and show up in stack.
Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
What do you mean the other side of the lone.
Speaker 10 (01:15:02):
He plays on the offensive in the offensive backfield makes penetration. Okay,
it will make penetration on the center or the guard,
and a lot doesn't get sacks, well get to And
the thing is about it, sacks is kind of outdated. Now,
it's pressures, it's it's for it's it's pressure shows up
in the stat book, but it's also on a running attack.
(01:15:23):
If you make a running back go east and west
and he can't go downhill, that doesn't show up in
a stat book, but everybody on film knows it, especially
the interior offensive line.
Speaker 15 (01:15:31):
We kind of went through that in the run game
a little bit. I forget who it was over at
ESPN Analytics that kind of tried to do that, Hey,
maybe Aaron Donald's actually not as good of a run defender.
Speaker 8 (01:15:39):
As you all thought. And we all promptly sent that
one back.
Speaker 15 (01:15:42):
And I love you know, Seth Walder and those guys
do a phenomenal job, but we're like, maybe we've overcooked this, yeah,
a little bit too much. Ninety nine's in the opposing
backfield with that color showing up almost every other play,
and Jalen Carter's kind of there and he's got a
little bit more like sand in his pants, Like that's
a guy. And when Aaron Donald comes out and says,
I think he told the Sean McCoy that's the new me,
Like the next me has arrived in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
That's really all you need to know. And sand in
your pants is just a little.
Speaker 8 (01:16:07):
More wait, a little more wait. Letting your pencil, Aaron.
Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Your pencil.
Speaker 10 (01:16:16):
Family, that's a that's the we're talking about the area here, it'll.
Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Be on the show.
Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Get up, Come on now?
Speaker 10 (01:16:31):
Where you sending this show?
Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Mike? What are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (01:16:34):
That one young said it?
Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
So which one's big?
Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
Mike? Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Mike Golic Senior and Junior Here a host of Gojo
and Golic on Draft Kings Network. Here the team more
likely to blow out the other team in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (01:16:52):
Well, I think it's Kansas City. Even though they've won
double digit one score games. They have the ability with
homes with Xavier Worthy, who can be a home run
every time he touches a ball, I think to get
that two to three score lead, I don't think they will.
I'm actually going in Philadelphia with Philadelphia in this game.
God knows why I betting against Kansas City. I mean,
(01:17:13):
if we.
Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Didn't we do this with Brady all the time.
Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 10 (01:17:18):
I only have a few more years in this business.
Yeah according to Mike, Yeah, I'm in hospice. Yeah so,
but I do think that Kansas City has more of
the ability to blow off photo.
Speaker 15 (01:17:32):
Yeah, I would actually go opposite. I'm picking Kansas City
to win the game. But if you ask me gamescript wise,
who would be in a position, I think it's still
just all the time you can do that roster. I
think between Saquon Barkley and the home run threat there
and what we saw me in the NFC Championship Round
A J. Brown kind of reminding everyone there were points
early in this season when even amidt Saquon Barkley's you know,
MVP caliber year, people were like, that might be the
(01:17:53):
most important player on the team when it's all said
and done. So, I think they'd be the team that
would be more likely to if this thing went away
and sideways. It would be because they put there for
You're wrong, Okay, nailed it, flawless victory.
Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
It's my analysis.
Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
He's wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
If Saquon Barkley doesn't win the MVP, will a running
back win an MVP in our lifetime?
Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Now, your lifetime is not that much.
Speaker 10 (01:18:14):
Well, I was going to say, I got a couple
more Super Bowls in me let's year.
Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Ten years, will a running back win the MVP?
Speaker 10 (01:18:21):
I mean, you look, it was the year of the
running back change in teams from Henry to Saquon to
Joe Mixon to Josh Jacobs. But I don't think the
value is going to increase in the contracts because of it.
Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
I don't.
Speaker 10 (01:18:33):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
I think Saquon is the.
Speaker 10 (01:18:35):
One unless Derrick Henry has another Now he's going to
be over thirty next year. Unless Baltimore finally reaches a
Super Bowl and he has another year like he had,
he in my eyes, would be the only one, unless
you get a back that catches the ball out of
the backfield like a Christian McCaffrey, if he's ever healthy again.
Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
This is the perfect, perfect story. Giants don't want him.
We see it on TV unfold right before very eyes.
He goes to the Eagles and that offensive he changed
their offense.
Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Oh, without question, you rush for two thousand yards.
Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
I know Lamar was great and Josh was great as well.
But if you like, value is such a weird word.
Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
If I it feels like.
Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
The value of what he did for that Eagles team
and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Two thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
I think if he had gotten the record, then I
think people would have it would have been easier for
the voters to go, well, he did.
Speaker 10 (01:19:31):
Set the I think if he were I had said
on the show, if he'd gotten the record, he'd get
the MVP. I thought he would have got the MVP
over Lamar who.
Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
I think he chose not to get the MVP.
Speaker 10 (01:19:40):
He chose and the team kind of session.
Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Decision it was.
Speaker 10 (01:19:46):
And if there's a record that can go down in
the Super Bowl, Mike and I talked about it this morning,
it's either three rushing touchdowns where you could tie, or
about three or four guys have it, because you saw
Saquon and Jalen both get three touchdowns in the championship game.
But how about the rushing record two hundred and four
yards Timmy Smith back in Super Bowl what twenty two
for you youngsters that will not you know, remember.
Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Yeah, yeah, Fritzy remembers it.
Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
Was ten nothing Broncos in that game.
Speaker 10 (01:20:10):
Yeah yeah, but two hundred and four yards Now, I
don't know if Sakwan that he's.
Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Gonna get Terrell Davis's all time single season.
Speaker 10 (01:20:17):
He needs twenty nine yards. I think for that, Yeah,
they're nine yards time.
Speaker 15 (01:20:21):
I mean it's it's something to Dan's original question, I'll say, yes,
we will. Like I wouldn't have thought so before, but
we've kind of seen the pendulum swinging back.
Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Right.
Speaker 15 (01:20:28):
We're five years from moving from This is a pat
in space league. It's like the new SEC West where Hey,
everyone that we thought was playing this physical brand of
football before turned it into eleven personnel nickel defenses and
then everyone said, oh wait a minute, everyone got really
light on defense. Let's go and run it right down
their throat. And so you combined that, I think reinvesting
inside the trenches for a lot of people with an
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influx of young running back talented like Jon Robinson in
a couple of years could be in that situation. If
things don't materialize in Atlanta, maybe he's a guy that.
Speaker 8 (01:20:56):
The team in the right spot with the right line
goes for.
Speaker 15 (01:20:59):
I mean, we're getting ready to watch one of them
right now come out in the NFL Draft this year.
Speaker 8 (01:21:03):
So you've got a few young guys that.
Speaker 15 (01:21:04):
Could be in that position talent wise, if they land
in the right situation breakthrough.
Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
When we look at you know, Lebron will never be
greater than Michael Jordan in people's eyes, But can Patrick
Mahomes be greater than Tom Braid? There's not this love
affair for Brady that they're the admiration. The fandom for
Mike was different. Oh, but you know, can Mahomes be
looked at as better?
Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
What's he have to do to be better than.
Speaker 10 (01:21:28):
Totalra Listen, I think I think two things. I mean,
you think of that the Patriots, how they were run
by Belichick, nobody said anything, and you look Kansas City,
they're fun. Andy Reid, Andy Reid, I hate to go
away from your question. Andy Reid's going to be the
winning his coach in the NFL. He's going to pass Donchula.
He needs forty seven wins twelve and four years.
Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
He can do that.
Speaker 10 (01:21:50):
He needs three wins to pass Belichick for most playoff wins.
Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
He's going to be the winning.
Speaker 10 (01:21:54):
At coach pat While I disagree with it, quarterback and
Super Bowl are joint and get the hip the number
you win so and the number you lose kind of
like you know, Lebron with the number is loss as
opposed to Jordan not losing any So I think Mahomes
can reach Tom's because he's what twenty eight, And I
mean I think he could reach Tom's level for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
I thought he has to get to that number.
Speaker 10 (01:22:18):
I think he has.
Speaker 8 (01:22:20):
I don't think so.
Speaker 10 (01:22:20):
I think he can get to a little less. But
if he gets there, I think he's gonna have it.
But they're just more fun.
Speaker 7 (01:22:26):
Now.
Speaker 10 (01:22:26):
We are getting Kansas City chief fatigue, right, kind of
like Tiger Woods fatigue, Golden State fatigue. You know, you're
kind of hoping somebody else wins. But I mean they're
a dynasty.
Speaker 15 (01:22:38):
I forget who I had the conversation with, but I
think our introduction to Pat was so different than with.
Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Tom, like they shock drop pad on us.
Speaker 15 (01:22:45):
We got the seven Patriots right out of the gate
with this version of Kansas City, and now we're getting
to like the early one to oh two ones where
it's more default, grind it out, like the career arcs different.
So even now as defense last year was the story
for this team, and this year it's been and you know,
poison close moments and still a lot of the defense
leaning on it, Like Pat's gonna get a lot of
that credit because he showed us early on. He's the
(01:23:07):
reason why everything goes around there. So I don't think
it's going to take matching that same number leaving the
way Tom did at the end to beat all that.
I think if Pat's close, based on the ability, because
he gives us that Aaron Rodgers ability. Like you guys,
remember we had that conversation all the time, the best
of all time versus the greatest of all time, because
Brady had all the accomplishment, but Aaron Rodgers had all
the ability. We got the dude with both now, So
(01:23:29):
if you're just close, I think they'll give that tie
to him.
Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
And it's weird that I thought about Joe Montana for
such a long period of time. You see him walking
down the street, you'd say, that's the greatest quarterback of
all time.
Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Tom comes along. Now he loses that identity.
Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Now Patrick Mahomes comes along, he goes down the totem
pole there a little bit. It's kind of and he
never lost, but still it's one of those where you
lose your identity a little bit, and.
Speaker 10 (01:24:01):
And you see Jordan didn't. Jordan is six and zero
and Jordan's still the top dog. Joe Montana. Maybe it's
our age, Dan. Maybe Joe's because he's our age, you know,
according to Mike, and you know, losing the identity.
Speaker 15 (01:24:11):
Talk about Dan, I'm talking about you. Yeah, Oh Dan, young, spry,
full of life.
Speaker 14 (01:24:16):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (01:24:17):
But you're right about Joe. He just keeps keeps falling
down the totem pole a little bit.
Speaker 15 (01:24:21):
Joe seems we're doing all right though every year Notre
Dame comes out with a new partner with some liquor
company and Joe's face Joe, no, but right.
Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Thompson had a deep dive on Joe Montana and it's
a couple of years ago, but it really was illuminating
that you so much is attached to your legacy, like
who you are, and then all of a sudden, you're
not that, And I don't know, it just made him,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
And then I talked to.
Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Him about it, and you know, he's not sharing in
his you know, his awards, they're not around right like
he just I don't know, and he was all banged up.
He went through hell with his body, and I don't know.
For some reason, the greater that mahomes is and Brady
has been the like Dan Marino.
Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
I think Dan Marino is one of the you know, you.
Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Can say influential quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Of all time.
Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
Completely agree.
Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
He was doing five wide in the eighties, like he
was so far ahead of everybody.
Speaker 10 (01:25:14):
Quickst release. I've I played with and against one of
your teammates for a year, but that's one of the reasons.
And I chose not to be one of the greatest
players because.
Speaker 8 (01:25:22):
I didn't want to them go through losing.
Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
My identity.
Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Accomplished it. Yeah, yeah, damn will Dare not.
Speaker 8 (01:25:35):
All your dreams, kids, just set them dangerously.
Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Low, and your son has followed in your fell.
Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Lower.
Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
I was like, what the NFL now?
Speaker 8 (01:25:45):
No, No, let's you know, bottom out in college.
Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
As they call it a day.
Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
It's Mike Senior, Mike Junior ones Big Mike, co host
of Gojo and Golic on DraftKings Network. It's great to
see you, guys. My best to the family, certainly your wife,
and we'll come back. We'll close up shop. Last call
for phone calls, what we learn, what's in store right
after this