April 28, 2025 • 49 mins
DP reacts to the Lakers' loss to the Timberwolves. Is LA's lack of depth coming back to haunt them? ESPN's Kevin Clark joins us live in-studio to discuss the biggest storylines of the NFL Draft and breaks down which overlooked teams could shoot into the contender category. ESPN's Tim Legler calls out LeBron's late-game shot selection in the Lakers' Game 4 loss to the Timberwolves and recalls his 1996 NBA 3-point Contest win.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yes, we will dive into Shador Sanders and why he
fell and some of the surprises, highs and lows of
the draft coming up and tonight Cabs, Heat, Rockets, Warriors
watching basketball yesterday. Over the weekend, the thunder are gonna
have a lot of time to rest, although as a
young team, you probably don't want to rest too much.
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The Cabs up three to zero in the Heat, Nuggets
and Clippers series has been wonderful TI to two games
a piece. The Warriors lead the Rockets two games to one.
Nick's got a gift at the buzzer as they beat
the Pistons three to one and the Timberwolves over the Lakers.
Yesterday afternoon, They're up three games to one, Magic and Celtics.
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It's Boston three games to one, Pacers in the Bucks
three games to one, and it looks like Dame Lillard's
season is over. And not sure the extent of that injury,
but it certainly looked bad. I did watch a lot
of the Lakers game because well, we were trying to
see if the Lakers are for real, and I think
there was a stretch when they won eight games in
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a row, and I said, if they continue to play defense,
and I thought they had depth, that they would be
able to go against these younger teams. Minnesota's a younger team,
Oklahoma City's a younger team, Houston's a younger team. You
got to have that energy, and they did not have
that energy. JJ Reddick didn't make a substitution in the
second half, and Lebron looks spent. Luca still, I guess
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recovering from flu like symptoms. And you cannot allow Anthony
Edwards to get hot, to get confident. He is one
of those guys there's only a couple in the league.
When he goes, you're not going to stop him. And
he has energy and he gets the crowd into it.
He's not afraid of anybody on the floor. And you
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saw that yesterday. Lebron looked tired. Lebron had a bad,
bad sequence with a terrible three and then a lazy
and pass. They do have a chance at the very end,
and I got Austin Reeves in the corner. That's why
you're in the corner. Get your feet set to take
that three pointer. You can win the game. You get
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the ball out of Lebron's hands. Out of Luca's hands,
you get it into Austin Reeves hands. He's in the corner,
he takes an off balance three, he's not even squared
up to the basket. And really that's one of those
moments that that'll come back and haunt them because now
they're down three games to one. Here's Lebron James On
not scoring in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I mean, we have some really good looks. I mean,
Luca missed a you know, a point blank layup, you know,
to put us up seven. You know, I missed a
point blank layup to put us up four. You know,
we had a couple opportunities. I don't think fatigue. Fatigue
had anything to do with that. We just we just
missed him some point blank shots.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You know, we were getting to what we wanted to
get into, and we just wanted able to convert.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay, if it works then, you know, not substituting, then
we're probably saying, Wow, that was a brave coaching decision
by JJ Reddick, who had this to say defending his strategy.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Let's just start with Luca got tripped. I mean, that
was a blatant trip He doesn't just fall on his own.
We watched it. You know, he gets tripped, So we
should have been at the free throw line.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
You know.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Not that's not an excuse for why we lost, but
we felt and you know, we had a chance to
go up. You work on the endgame stuff, you know,
you draw it up and you tell guys very specific things.
We didn't execute it, and very obvious we didn't execute it.
So I don't know what that's my only advantage point.
You know, we just didn't execute it.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well, you didn't substitute, and they looked tired, certainly Lebron did.
And you know, Luca has been under the weather. I
just got to figure you put somebody in, just give
him a little bit of a breather. Be does Anthony
Edwards and nas Reed. I mean, they got guys who
are just going to be a high motor guy. Luca
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didn't get tripped. Luca stepped on the defender's shoe, That's
what happened. So he didn't get tripped, and so there
should have been free throws there. Austin Reeves wasn't ready
to shoot three like look at his you know, his
form terrible. Lebron takes a deep three, Lebron with a
lazy inbounds pass. Lebron gets called for the foul against
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Anthony Edwards. That's where fatigue comes in, where you do
things and you don't go all the way through. You
missed the three. The inbounds pass was terrible and you
cost yourself. You to keep up with these young teams
in the West, you know, you do need a little
bit of depth, and Lakers did not rely on any
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of that depth in the second half. So they're down
three games to one. But you start to look at this. Okay, soe,
he's got more arrest here. Now, I thought Golden State
would beat Houston. I think Houston's on a fact finding
mission of let's figure out now what we do next
year because we're not going to win the title. But
you know, Golden State, let's see if Jimmy Butler is
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able to play Celtics that they're going to put away Orlando.
The Cabs looking good against Miami, you know. So there's
there's not a lot of drama other than what we
saw with OKC and Denver. The Clippers and Denver has
been great. I mean that's spirited, that's back and forth.
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A couple of possessions. It feels like every single game
and uh, some basketball coming up tonight eight seven seven
three DP show. We'll get to your phone calls. Best
and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked,
you didn't like? But the Timberwolves rallying from twelve down
late in the third quarter, and uh, Minnesota outscored the
Lakers in the fourth quarter. So far, so so far.
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In all these games, Minnesota's outscored the Lakers in the
fourth quarter by combined one five to sixty nine.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Whoa stall of a day?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Stant a day, stall of a day, stand of a day.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
This is the stule of the day.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Knowing those numbers. That comes back to fatigue to a
certain degree, That comes back to depth, to a certain degree.
You're getting blown out in the fourth quarter by a
younger team. Odds to win the title, it's still the
Thunder and the Celtics the prohibitive favorites. Then it's the Calves,
and then after that it's a distant Golden State and
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the Clippers. By the way, it's so interesting the number
of people NBA friends that I have, They're like, hey
about Kawhi Leonard, I go No one ever said anything
negative about Kawhi Leonard. When he plays, it's just he
doesn't play. So yeah, when he does play, I expect
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him to be great. It's just I don't expect him
to play. But he's a wonderful player. But we kind
of forgot about him and then all of a sudden
he puts up, you know, thirty and we're like about that.
Kawhi Leonnard, go, Yes, he's supposed to be great. Just
play more than thirty seven games this year. That's not
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asking too much, Okay, satan Let's poll question today? Well,
he got one here from Marvin this one, we might
as well jump right ahead to it. Now that the
NFL Draft is over. Who do you want to see
in Hard Knocks this season? Oh? Cleveland? I mean right, Cleveland.
That's it, Cleveland. I'm close. Yeah, But it was one
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of those stories that I wanted it to go away.
But if your NFL network and the mothership, you didn't
want it to go away because the number of people
who stayed tuned to the weeknd, the Friday, and Saturday
of the NFL Draft and ratings were up I think
forty percent for the second day of the draft or
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the no the final day of the draft. That's unheard of,
But it's because of one story, one player, shud Or Sanders,
and the number of revisionist history experts who've come out
to tell us, Now, why should do Or Sanders dropped?
Where were you guys before the draft? Where was everybody
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before this happened? The only thing I told you was
at the end of the show on Thursday, prior to
the first round, my source said, I don't have a
first round great on him. That was it, And he
did say this wasn't he didn't look at the interviewing
or how poorly should Or Sanders interviewed. He said, I'm
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just looking at football stuff. He goes, I'm looking at
what I saw.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
He was at the Shrine Bowl, and you know, Shador
didn't do any of the drills down there, and they
felt that he was a little stand offish with that.
Or Hey, I know where I'm going, where I'm going
to be drafted. You know, I'll put up with this
sort of dog and pony show. But you start to
hear these stories that he's doing a FaceTime while he's
in an interview with the Giants, with the team meeting.
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That would be a red flag. But do I think
this is a league wide conspiracy. Do I think it's collusion?
I don't, because the NFL is cutthroat. These coaches know
they get two years, maybe three at the most to
be able to hold onto their jobs or gms. Do
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I think that everybody went, hey, I'm not taking him.
I'm not taking him. I'm not taking him. The one
team that really surprised me who did not take him
was the Raiders because Tom Brady's now in charge. Tom
Brady has known Shaudor Sanders a long time. He has
helped mentor him. He knows him, and they do have
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Geno Smith. But I thought if any team who knows
him and has the opportunity to draft him, it's the
Raiders because of Tom Brady. How many times did they
pass on him and they eventually took a couple of
quarterbacks at the end of the draft That surprised me.
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I think Cleveland. Look, do I think the owner said
we're going to go up and get him for whatever reason? Yes,
I do. I think this was a Jimmy Haslam telling
the GM and the coach, let's go get him. You know,
let's let's stop this. He has a relationship with Dion.
They developed a relationship during the whole draft process. But
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I do like that landing spot for him. I would
not be surprised at all if Shadoor Sanders starts a
game this year, at least one game with Cleveland. In fact,
if you said over under one and a half games
for Shadur Sanders, I might go over. We've seen these
guys who are fourth, fifth, sixth round picks now in
the last couple of years they get a chance to start,
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and I think shoud Or Sanders will get a chance
to start. Did he get humbled, Yes, he did. I
thought that that's where he was going to go. It
felt like that. I certainly felt that he was going
to I thought he was going to go first pick,
second round. I just thought that that made sense. But
it comes back to a lot of different things that
it felt like the guys who do mock drafts, all
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they did is take whatever was told to them and
then they just kept spitting it back out. Hey, it's
should Or Sanders. He might go three, he might go two.
I mean, we put the over under it five and
a half. I didn't know it be five and a
half rounds Vegas had an eight and a half. We
thought he was going to go to the Saints and
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then all of a sudden. This is where you get
the professionals to look at a draft prospect, not guys
who are mocked draft people. Okay, a lot of that's
for clicks, and there's a mock draft for next year
already out. It's big business. We understand all of that.
But when you get the guys whose jobs are to
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analyze this, that their job is like the mock draft.
Guys don't get fired if a scout screws up, a
scout gets fired. That's where you get real intel. Now
it takes a while to get that intel. I'm still
working on some Cleveland Browns intel. But you know, that's
where you get guys who come in and go, hey,
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I see this or I don't see that. You know
his arm strength, it's not great. Everybody kept saying the
same thing. He's tough, and he is. I put him
third on my Heisman ballot. He was tough in an
offensive line that wasn't very good. He did have a bailout,
certainly with a one great receiver and a very good receiver.
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Didn't have a running game at all. But some of
the things that were said. Nick Bombgardner of The Athletic,
he was talking about how Shadoor Sanders he basically said
to teams, look at the tape. I don't need to
be working out, And he goes on to say in
his article on The Athletic, you cannot simply declare yourself
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something you aren't and hope nobody checks on it. Todd
McShay had some things to say about this about what
happened with the Giants. It didn't go well, frustration with
him not being prepared, basically didn't want to go through
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what everybody else went through. And then the Giants traded
up to take Jackson Dart from Ole. Miss Bombgardner goes
on to write, the reality here is that Shadoor Sanders
is a good football player, a quality prospect, and someone
who could eventually turn into a functional starter so long
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as he's surround to buy talent and a strong offensive line.
But the questions about his arm, talent size, pocket processing,
and general over confidence were very real. All Right, You
had another draft analysts who said personality nitpicks wouldn't be
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an issue if he had put together a better tape.
One evaluator said that Sanders would have gotten a third
round grade in a year with better QB prospects. Now,
I do believe that. I think he was elevated because
there weren't great quarterbacks and cam Ward would have been
the fifth or sixth quarterback last year, So where would
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Shadoor Sanders have been on that list? He might have
been the eighth or ninth quarterback taken. There were other
quarterbacks the teams felt more comfortable with. Jackson Dart is
probably a better athlete than Shador. Jackson Dart is a
really good quarterback. Thought he was going to be a
first round pick. I think Shador was going to fall
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this far. Absolutely not. But you go back to how
good are you? And you know there's a sliding scale
of productivity, and then you have this side show like
Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow was not going to be brought
in by teams and they would say this, They didn't
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want more attention for their backup quarterback than their starting quarterback.
So it does happen Cam Newton same way. I was
just surprised. I thought that in a draft that didn't
have great quarterbacks, maybe somebody's going to take a chance. Now,
Dylan Gabriel at Oregon is a better athlete than Shador Sanders.
He has more passing yards and more passing touchdowns than
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anybody in the history of college football. He's a Russell
Wilson type, left handed and very athletic. Cleveland takes him.
So that quarterback room is going to be interesting. You're
gonna have Joe Flacco in there. It be like a daycare.
You know, he's in there, and he's forty years of age,
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and he's got all these younger guys in there. Remember
they traded for Kenny Pickett like, and you still have
Deshaun Watson. It's so Brownsian to do what they did.
They congratulations, they did a wonderful job. But I do
think Shador Sanders went to the right place for him
because he can prove himself. They don't have proven talent
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Speaker 2 (17:42):
Just bring in Kevin Clark, host an analyst for Omaha
productions ESPN and host of This Is Football podcast Here,
what do you think Bill Belichick was really saying there, Kevin.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
The same thing he's been saying for twenty five years. Nothing.
I think he's trying to treat CBS This Morning and
a lot of these other place like he did the
New England media and it's not gonna work. Like that's
the problem in college. You have to go out and recruit,
you have to win over the fan base, and he
hasn't done that. Like I think I saw some unc
beat writers saying like there was no access during spring,
like this is not the Patriot way anymore. So what
(18:14):
was he saying about Craft specifically is I don't think
he likes him very much, but I think that you
have to address that because you have to talk with
the elephants in the rooms at this point when you're
when you're selling a book, that's when you address the
elephants in the room.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Dawn.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, he's just such a bad interview even when he's
trying to be I'm sure his girlfriend is saying, Bill,
let's go over scenarios, and she would play the role
of interviewer, right, and she would ask him questions. I mean,
I'm guessing like she's really involved in this, you know,
this whole North Carolina situation.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
She seems to be a bad publicist. That seems to
be My My read on the situation is that she
seems to not have a grip on what questions or inbounds. Also,
like the don't we don't talk about the relationship thing,
it's already out there. How they met. I mean, you can,
you can do this. You can give give the people
what they want. Give us a little bit that we
met an airplane and was love at first sight. The
whole thing. This is not hard. They made it hard.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Well, now, I really want to know they made like,
wait a minute, what hell's happened here? It's like when
Tiger Woods and his new girlfriend send out a picture. Yeah,
and then they say respect our productor privacy. Yeah, I
did respect your privacy. And two just now I.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
No longer respect your privacy.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
All right? The draft in Greece, bag, give me the
second biggest story of the draft.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, from a college
football perspective, you guys mentioned earlier quin yours cost himself
about four million dollars. Okay, like that that's an important thing.
You could have gone to Miami and the cars and
beck Roll. There's so many schools Oregon who were looking
for a veteran presence. So for me that draft was significant.
But you know, when I look at some of these
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teams that are building, like I think Washington knocked it
out of the park and I don't see a scenario
in which they're not in a super Bowl in the
next five Because I look at Josh Connery, I look
at treemos So, I think is a really good cornerback.
The receiver they got for Jana Tech, who's a great athlete.
Like I'm looking at some of these teams, I'm just
seeing a pathway here. I think the commander's doing everything right.
They're get the stadium here today. I guess that they're
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gonna have the new RFK site there. So I think
the second biggest thing, aside from Shredura Sanders, is just
some of these teams are kind of building into a
Super Bowl Kner. Now, I think cam Ward is probably
the second biggest thing because I think he's a Mahomes
like talent. I'm the one guy who's going out there
and saying, by the way, the number one overall pick.
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He's pretty good. I know we don't want to talk
about the number one overall pick, but I think he's phenomenal.
I went to Miami. I saw every snap from him.
I promise people say, oh, you're a Miami Homer. Nobody's
hated watching Miami more than me over the past twenty years. Okay,
on the opposite of a homer, but I just saw
what he was able to do on a snaper snap basis,
and he's able to do. Steve Young was on my
show a couple of years ago when he says about Mahomes,
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I think about a lot. He said, everyone talks about
the Superman, but what makes Mahomes Mahomes is the Clark Kent.
You know, the basics, the hitting, the guy over the middle,
taking the check down. Cam Ward does both of those
things really well. I think that's what's gonna make him special.
I think Tennessee is not going to have the same
infrastructure that Kansas City had, So if I say he's Mahomes,
it's not gonna be the same path because there's no Kelsey,
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there's no there's no Tiger Kill, there's no Andy Reid.
But I think you're gonna be the instant, instant success
from from cam Warden. I think he's going to change
the Titans franchise. That franchise. He's a little jew, stand
I don't know if you've noticed. Yeah, there's nothing going
on there.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
The situation with the Browns in Jacksonville with that trade. Yeah, okay,
we can take out the talent, you know, we'll start
with that and just say and by it felt by
a lot of indicators that Jacksonville did an incredible job.
But but Cleveland did an even better job of fleeshing Jacksonville.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Also, you think jackson one, they both won.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Because the Browns are looking at this and saying, Deshaun
Watson set us back probably more than the four years
on a contract. Okay, that's important. They're not trying to
win now. They if they were trying to win now,
they would they would have drafted Travis Hunter and gone
from there. They wouldn't addrafted Dan Gabriel in the third round.
The wouldn't a drafted Jeer Sanders in the fifth round.
They understand where they are. The Jaguars again, you talk
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about a franchise that needs some juice, needs a little
you know, in market, kicking the butt. You got to
start there. What's going on in Jacksonville. They have a
new coach, they have a new GM. For me, when
you have a special talent. The first press conference that
was ever at as an NFL journalist was Mike Shanahan
right after the RG three trade, and he asked rhetorical question,
He said, what did the Broncos give up for John
l Way? Nobody knew, you know why because nobody cared.
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Nobody nobody. Nobody was saying, oh, they over they added, Oh,
I can't believe they added this for another second round pick. No,
they got a franchise cornerstone. And so with Travis Hunter,
if he's the guy you think he is, you can't
there's no overpay for that.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But why didn't Cleveland look at the otani of the
NFL and knowing that they needed to take away from
this Deshaun Watson's situation and you get a you get
a makeover right away.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
I agree in theory, but I think they're looking at
this roster. It's an aging roster that was built around
the Deshaun Watson thing working okay, and I think they
have some self awareness that that's not going to be
the case anymore that the aging roster some other guys.
It's not ready to win now. So take the Jaguars pick,
which is probably going to be a pretty good pick
next year, and start building in a different way.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Well why not?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Why not trade Miles Garrett or why extend Miles Scart.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Would have I probably would have. I mean, I listen,
you're you're putting yourself you're doing something very dangerous sand
which he's putting yourself in the head of the Cleveland
Browns and saying, let's make some good decisions. They haven't
done that for thirty years. Okay, so it's really the
dealing Gabriel pick, to me, was one of the dumbest
of the entire draft. What are you doing at that point?
And why we can get into the sure thing? But
but why you would take Gabriel who would have dropped
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a handful more rounds. He's a career backup when you're
looking for a starter. Are you now going to trade
for Kirk Cousins. You have Joe Flack in the room.
None of this really makes any sense. It's like, and
maybe this is just the product of ownership. Dan, It's
like there's five different decision makers in Cleveland, and they're
all they all get to make alternating decisions and it's
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like they've never met before.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Well you can tell if I look at body language
of coaching GM when they made when they made the
pick with Shador, that came from up above, because it
almost felt like, oh my gosh, let's draft him and
then let's trade up to draft him when you could
have had him, Like I just it was Brownsian.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
I mean it was Brownsie.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
It was truly Brownsie in there. But I do think
it's a great place for Shudor to go to because
I think he'll play. I think he'll start a game
this year.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
He's gonna be instantly better than Dan Gabriel. So that's
the first hurdle to clear. Dan Gabriel is not very good.
Kevin Stepancy can tell Hm where to go with the ball.
We know that your Drek can be act. We know
he can. I mean my thing about your Durr, I
didn't think he was top five level. But what I
did think was if you put a lot of those
prospects behind the Colorado offensive line last year, they wouldn't
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have looked as good as Sugar.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
But if I give them the receivers that Colorado had,
you're gonna look pretty at least one.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yes, I agree with that. You know, when I look
at the Schadar situation, I was texting people in the
league in the fourth round and in the fifth round,
and I was saying, why don't you guys just take Shadar.
I'm talking about teams with good quarterbacks where it's not
going to be a drama, like, hey, this this this
first round talent is dropping. This seems like value. And
they said there were two problems. Number One, they didn't
do any work on the guy because they didn't think
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this was gonna happen, right, So like, if you're a
team with a a franchise starter already, you didn't even
meet Schidar sand he only have his phone number. I mean,
apparently everybody has a phone number because of Jack's Olbrich.
But you know, you just get into a situation where
they'd be flying blind. So that was that was part
of the problem. But then the other problem is they
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just didn't want to disrupt their quarterback room. I don't know.
I mean, there's a lot of ways to get Schadar production,
especially in the fifth round or in the mid rounds
without Sports Center coming to your coming to your camp
on day one.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Was this collusion.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
I don't think it was. I don't think it was.
I think it starts with the most basic obvious thing,
which is there were only a handful of quarterback needy
teams and they didn't think should there was that good.
I think it starts there, and then it was a
cascading series of effects. I do think that there's a
lot of cowardice in the NFL where they just don't
want distractions, and I think that is more powerful than
any sort of whatever. I don't think there was exact
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collusion where they were staying away from him.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
He's Kevin Clark. He is a host an analyst for
Omaha Productions in ESPN and his must listen to podcasts
This is Football and I'm starting, you know, I was
just trying to figure this out that Tom Brady, who's
running the Raiders, has been around shaud Or Sanders for
a long time, passed on him, passed on him, and
they could certainly use another quarterback in there. I know
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you extended Geno Smith. That was the one that stood
out more than anything because Pittsburgh, to me, you know
they take Will Howard, and I like that pick. I
think Will Howard can play in the NFL. But that
really led me to believe they really are hoping that
Aaron Rodgers is coming to town.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
He has to, he has to. I mean it sounds like,
you know, Art Rooney, the owner, a couple of weeks
ago in Palm Beach at the owner's meeting, said that
that's the expectation there. I don't think Steeler's ownership really
talks out of turn. So I assume that there's indications
that he's coming. They're screwed without him, because I last
week I heard some of the insiders say, well, you know,
they're really comfortable with Mason Rudolf. Nobody is comfortable with
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Mason Rudolf. So I knew that that was a tell
that Aaron Rodgers is probably coming.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
How honest, when you know somebody's being honest with you,
you know, you talk a lot of coach and g
Anderson whoever. Like I have. I have three different sources
in the NFL, and I've had them for probably twenty
of twenty two, twenty three years. But you know, I'm
fed a lot of information sometimes and you know, I've
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been used before.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
In the draft season. It's really hard because remember, a
scout might tell you this is the best guy in
the draft, but he might have the power to do it,
or you know, somebody from the I'm just giving an example, right,
we're talking about ownership coming from above and saying you
have to take Shooter Singers. If that was a scenario,
well five minutes before that, you could have gotten a
text from someone with audition making power in Cleveland saying, nah,
we're not gonna do it, and then the owner does it. Right,
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So predicting what's gapping in the draft is a fools er.
It's really hard because of just the different things. And
no one thought your dur wasnappening, by the way, like
everybody's talking about, oh, people need to saying, oh I
saw was coming with your door, You didn't unless you
said it was the biggest drop in history incoming. Then
you didn't see it coming. Like you're saying, oh, he
might drop to the second round. We didn't drop the
secon round. He dropped the fifth round. So you didn't
see a coming. Predicting what's actually gonna happen on draft
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night outside of the first pick. You know, I had
Brian Callahan, the Titans coach, on my show a couple
of weeks ago, and he started talking and he said,
you know, I coached Joe Burrow when he was a rookie.
And I went back and I watched the zooms that
we had because it was COVID, so they recorded it
just to get a sense of what a rookie quarterback
would be like. And so this is like March fifteenth,
and I'm thinking, you know, Brian, you're probably not doing
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that if you're gonna draft Abdual Carter or Travis Hunter.
So I think you may have indicated where you're going.
So there's tells like that obviously, but I think you know,
you kind of have to dis guess. I mean, you
mentioned you have sources where you have years and years
of goodwill built up. You know they're not going to
be su they know you know that they're not gonna
use you. I think newer sources or sources with something. Hey,
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you know, the biggest thing always is when a team
is trying to get rid of either a player or
a coach and they're gonna for I think it's Larry
David the voice they're going to foist you and they're
trying to like so I had't I won't say the coach,
but I had a GM text me a couple of
years ago about their defensive coordinator and he said this
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DC would be amazing for the USC job. And I
was like, no, we' what are you talking about? And
then a couple a couple of months later the DC
and moved on. But it's like, I think they wanted
me to put out so and so would be a
perfect fit for USC, and then USC calls them and.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Then their problem is solved.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
And whether they had a multi year contract or they
just wanted to clean ending, whatever it is, that's when
you look at it and you go you have to
have internal You have to be your own harshest critic,
or else you end up sending a tweet saying so
and so would be a great fit to be a Trojan.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
All right, give me the hot NFL team this year.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
I love Denver. I love Denver and I know waits.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
That's two loves like you love love Denver.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
I think Denver when I look around, I think about
the Eagles and how one day we woke up and
they had the best roster in football and they were
undeniable and probably the Super Bowl favorites next year. Right,
it's because you kept stacking talent. When I look at Denver,
I think in maybe next year we're gonna they're gonna
be close to that level. I think this year they're
going to be a double digit win team that I
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think probably will get Super Bowl buzz going into the season,
and they're probably a year away from that. But I
love what Bonex is able to do with Sean Payton.
I don't know what he would have been able to
do behind Colorado's offensive line, but that's not the question here.
And then I think that the way they've built the
trenches again, Eagles wise, the offensive line is great, the
defense keeps stacking talent. Baron was an awesome pick in
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the first round.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
R J.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Harvey was a reach for UCF, but again, Sean Payton
knows what to do with running backs. He loves contact,
yes speed. So I'm looking this Denver team and I'm saying,
why can't this team compete? Right now?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Now?
Speaker 6 (31:28):
To answer my own question, the Chargers are also going
to be quite good. I loved their draft and I
love Justin Herbert. I think Denver, though, is a half
step ahead right now in that division, with obviously the
Chiefs being number one. I think all three of them
have the chance to be really good this year.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
But Vegas is hot team the Chicago Bears. More money
bet on the Bears in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
So I see that. I think that they answered so
many of that. So Calebillams last year had the most
unblocked pressures and sacks the history of Next Gen's death.
So that's like a decade of data. Is that no
one had gotten a guy in their face where literally
the offensive line had no idea what they were doing.
And I look at him at it as maybe the
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dumbest plan in history, because or modern football history. Caleb
Williams said, one flaw he held onto the ball to law.
So what do you do if you're the Bears. You
give them one of the worst offensive lines in football?
How is that gonna work? How is that ever going
to work? It didn't, It didn't. He got killed and
then was sixty four sacks last year, and so they audit.
They go out and they probably overpaid for some guys.
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But that's okay again, over we don't we're not costplaying
gms here. We just need this to work.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Right.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
If we're the Bears, and so the front is settled,
the defense is going to be better. I liked what
they did. I thought Luther Burden was a really good
value pick in round two addressing tight end. Maybe you
go to tight ends with Cole Comet. I see that.
I just don't think they're an NFC contender. Okay, I
see them being much better. I see Klebollams not getting
sack sixty four times. I think they'll probably make the playoffs.
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I just don't see them in the same way I
had the Broncos to, which is I think in a
couple of years, the Broncos are going to be Super
Bowl contenders.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Thanks for visiting. We appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
I met you when I was thirteen years old at
the Tampa Super Bowl. It's great to be here again.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Was I nice to you?
Speaker 6 (33:17):
You were very nice. You're gonna lose respect for me.
I was such a sports media dork that I was
at a hotel. I figured it out that somehow you
guys were all there. So I just hung out at
the elevator bank meeting Sports Center anchors, and I got
everybody's autograph and the only one I can identify now
is Eisen because he signed it with his catchphrase, which
was you got it. So it says rich Eyes and Kevin,
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you got.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
It okay, So there you go. So thank you for
being nice to Do you want an autograph now?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yes? I did?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Okay, Thank you, Kevin.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (33:58):
Jim Legler, one of the eight shooters in NBA history,
on the call for Celtic's magic on Friday, as well
as the Nicks in the Pistons Game four, and he
has a podcast, All City NBA Podcast. We'll talk about
that in a moment. Leg's good to talk to you
before you knew the end result. If I would have
told you the Lakers will not substitute in the second
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half of the Minnesota game, they will play their starting
five and nobody else will come in on the road
after they had what one day of rest in between
games three and four, you would have said, what, no.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Shot of winning the game?
Speaker 9 (34:34):
Because if you told me, first of all, if you
tell me something like that, I would say, well, that's
not going to happen. It's impossible. It's never happened. I've
never heard of such a thing. That would have been
my first answer. So this is a crazy.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Hypothetical you're throwing at me.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
But if then I thought to myself, we know, maybe
this could happen, I would think they must be in
dire straits. There has to be some reason why you'd
be pushed to an extreme measure like that. Anyway, slice
it against a team as good defensively as Minnesota is
capable of being. To think you got five guys played
twenty four straight minutes, no physical break, no mental break.
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It's just not a formula for success. I think there's
a lot of criticism coming J. J.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Rittick's way.
Speaker 9 (35:17):
I think it's I think a lot of it is justified.
It's not just the substitution patterns either. I have a
lot of problems with that. The design of that inbounds
play late where Lebron turned the ball over. I don't
understand what they were trying to accomplish by the design
of the play, the spacing of the play, and then
just a terrible decision by Lebron to fill it to
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the wrong hand for Luca. But so I think there's
a lot of criticism that's levied against J. J. Reddick
right now, and if they don't come back and win
this series, I think he's going to be dealing with that.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, because I'm looking at the mistakes they made. They
blew a thirteen point lead, Minnesota's at home. That's a
young team. Any team that has Anthony Edwards, you know,
is not going to stop and some of these mistakes.
Lebron takes a really deep three that to me was
a bad shot. Even if he makes it, it's still
not a high percentage. The inbounds pass is lazy. Then
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you know he commits the foul and Anthony Edwards to
me a lot of that, and you know that Luke
is not one hundred percent, But you're not bringing any
of those guys out and you still had a chance
to win. I don't think that Austin Reeves was ready
to take that shot in the corner, but I mean
the margin of victory and defeat at this time of
the year. I mean, I was just surprised at how
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the Lakers played down the stretch.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
Dan Listen, you could go right now anywhere in the
country and watch it probably you know, a middle school
basketball game where you know, the five starters are infinitely
better than the kids on the bench, and they're gonna
sub This is a situation with NBA players. You know,
millions and millions of dollars committed in salary to the
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guys that are wearing Lakers uniforms sitting there, and you
can't go to any of those guys an entire second
half of a playoff game with really your season on
the brink. Now, you know, I'm not going to completely
write them off because they've got Luca and Lebron. They
let's face it, at the end of the day, they've
got two of the most special players in the league.
So this is one situation where three to one don't
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I'm not.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Ready to put this to bed yet.
Speaker 9 (37:21):
I think they go home and win Game five, you know,
and now you're getting into a situation. Can you win
a road game to force that Game seven back in
your place? I don't know, but to think that you
couldn't have the faith or confidence to go to anyone
else on your roster besides those five guys, it's really
mind boggling to me. And does it play into the
decision making. Possibly does it play into that three you
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mentioned by Lebron and Plad You brought it up because
I should have. I was remissive not mentioning that too.
That's a horrible shot. There's seven seconds on the shot clock.
He takes a thirty foot three, and if you watch
the possession, nobody moved. There was not a single cut screen,
no action whatsoever. They came down, held the ball for
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a little bit, swung it to Lebron and he just
pulled it after he had played twenty three consecutive minutes
and then look, he's better from the three than he's
ever been. That shot was Steph Curry range. That's not
his wheelhouse. So was that a fatigue thing physically mentally?
Possibly that the inbounds play, you know, Like I said,
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the construct of the play was terrible. Three guys breaking
to the ball within ten feet of each other with
their defender, So he got six bodies within ten feet
of each other, all coming to the corner of this
by the sideline where the half court acts as another barrier.
If you catch it in the front court, now they
could have run someone into the back court. That would
have been nice, or at least have one guy breaking
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to the ball, so he's got an opportunity to just
push off and catch it there. It was so congested,
and then Lebron makes a terrible decision that the.
Speaker 10 (38:56):
Pass has to go to Luca's left hand. Jake McDaniels
is on Lucas right side, he's hedging him over there,
and Lebron throws it to that side. So is that
a mental fatigue?
Speaker 9 (39:06):
He's too good a player, he's too smart to make
that mistake. So I don't know what all played into it,
but you can't tell me that it couldn't have factored
in when those guys hadn't had a break physically or
mentally for an entire.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Half of a must win game. That that's shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
What did you see on that last play with the
Pistons and the Knicks with Hardaway Junior?
Speaker 9 (39:27):
You know my vantage point calling the game, Dan was
tough because it was across the court, all the way
in the corner to my right, all the way across
the court with a lot of bodies over there. So
the shot goes off and I couldn't We couldn't see
it until we saw the replay. Once I saw the replay,
I believe, I said on the air my last comment
on it was, you know, there's no doubt shooters typically
are going to get that call. But then I went
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on to say, but at the same time, there was
almost nothing called in the second half of that game
on shooters.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Very little. I mean the third quarter of that game.
Speaker 9 (40:01):
I made a joke that you would have a hard
time convincing me that Navy Seal training was more arduous
than getting to the rim in the third quarter of
that game, because they just there was nothing. It was
played on it. By the way, I love it. I
mean that was the nineties, was when I played. I
loved that style of basketball. Now here's the thing, though,
on the shooter from a twenty four foot shot, you've
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got that guy's got to be protected more than a driver,
and so to get bumped on your shooting side absolutely
enough to make it the shot unmakable and should have
been called. And as you can see, the officials immediately
said it. They didn't mean to wait for the two
minute report. They said it once they got to the
locker room and saw the play because.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
They wanted to immediately put it out there.
Speaker 9 (40:46):
We blew it now that doesn't help Pistons fans because
you'd have a two to two series going back to
New York and the Pistons have played very well in
Madison Square Garden in this series.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Talking to Tim Legler, ESPN NBA analysts, former NBA player,
when you won the three point shooting contest, Larry Bird?
Was he out of the NBA?
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Yes, he was?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Okay, how do you think you would have done against Bird?
Speaker 9 (41:13):
Well, I hate to say it, but if Larry Bird
walked in the locker room and guaranteed a victory in
that competition and I was sitting in the locker room,
I probably would have had something to say back.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
So listen, I think everybody everybody that.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Particul Are you sure you would have said something at
the time to Larry Bird?
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Probably not.
Speaker 9 (41:30):
He was my He was my idol in high school college,
So probably you're probably right.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
No, but it may have made me. It may have
made me even.
Speaker 9 (41:40):
More because of how badly you know, how much better
the story would have been there.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
You know, I was just so happy to win it
and know that my name was going.
Speaker 9 (41:50):
To go on a list with that guy, like of
guys that have won the competition.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
So Yeah, but look, I think anybody that's.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
Participated in that probably believes that they would beat anybody
that's ever done it.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
How many teams can win the title?
Speaker 9 (42:06):
Well, I said, going, I said, going in to the
postseason or not the postseason. With about a month ago,
I said, one of these three teams is winning a title,
and you're not going to convince me it could possibly
be anybody else that was okay, see Boston and Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
To me, those three teams lapped the field this year
in the NBA. They were that much better than everybody else.
Speaker 9 (42:30):
The one X factor out there was the Lakers because
you know, adding this player and what that ultimately is
going to look like. And their defense took major strides
before that Lebron injury late in the year, their defense
had taken major strides. They're figuring out how to protect Luca,
and then you've just have two guys that have an
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answer for everything on the court offensively with their scoring,
their playmaking and their IQ. So I thought, you know,
I can't rule them out. To me, those other three
teams have been so much better than the rest of
the league. You rarely see it to that extent. So
Oklahoma City for me, has been the best team I've
seen all year. When they play their best, they are
the best team. But look, Boston is obviously right there,
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and then the Calves have been great. I just don't
know if the Calves ultimately will be able to get
past Boston.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Let me go back to the Lakers situation. It just
dawned on me. You know, here's Lebron twilight of his career.
They don't have draft picks there. I don't know where
they are salary cap wise. You got Luca for one
more year. Could you see a scenario where Luca looks
around and goes, do I want to stay in this situation?
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If Lebron's not there and you got kind of the
group you have and maybe you add something, But is
it a foregone conclusion Luca is going to stay in
Los Angeles?
Speaker 9 (43:51):
Well, I definitely could see that scenario, and the main
reason for that he was thrust into it. This isn't
a situation where Luca got to free agency and said, man,
LA is where I want to be.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
You know, that's where I want to go, like Lebron did.
Speaker 9 (44:08):
And then now you figure, well, he's gonna stay the
O the rest of his career and finish now because
he chose that at that stage of his career.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
Luca didn't choose that.
Speaker 9 (44:16):
Luca was I'm not I'm still not sure. Lucas over
the shock of being traded, so he was thrust into
it thinking the most of it. But when it's all
said and done, does he a totally love playing with Lebron?
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Who knows? Does Lebron really love playing with him? I
don't know that either. I don't know how that long
that's gonna last. Is Lebron gonna hang him up? I
don't know.
Speaker 9 (44:42):
But now Luca's envisions himself going forward in the Lakers organization.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
But JJ Reddick, who knows how he feels about that.
Speaker 9 (44:51):
Really, he hasn't had a large enough sample size and
he didn't choose any of it. So when you're forced
into a situation, well, no, really, internally the conversations he's having,
you know, with the people in his life.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
That care about him. So could I envision it? Absolutely?
I could envision it. Now. I think there's a.
Speaker 9 (45:09):
Possibility because of the organization. What it says on the front,
you know, their commitment to try to keep winning all
the time. They're always going to try to win even
if they're in the luxury tax. Maybe Luca wants to
be that the next decade. He thinks, Hey, I'm a Laker,
I'm gonna win titles here. But I don't know that.
I don't think it's out of the question. He would
look around and say, Man, this is a one I chose.
What else is out there?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Unless Nico Harrison goes to another team and then you
have another trade with Nico Harrison. Who's the GM that
you can fleece them? Tell us about the All City
Podcast that Jeff, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (45:39):
Yeah, I'm really proud of it. Man, we're finishing our
second year here. Do it with Adam Razu's that Denver
sports personality knows the Nuggets inside and that, but knows
the entire league four days a week and it's real
basketball talk like this like we're having right now. It's
not hot takesh it's what happened in the game last night,
and we're gonna break it down, make it smarter.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
What's coming up tonight? Looking ahead? Cover the entire league
doesn't out of playoffs. Great, So it's four days week.
Speaker 9 (46:05):
Find it on YouTube, man, All City NBA Podcast, or
anywhere you get your podcast.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
I'm very proud of what it's becoming.
Speaker 9 (46:11):
I think if you're a real basketball person, this is
where you want to go to get the breakdowns.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
It's All City NBA podcast on YouTube, anywhere you get
your podcast. Do you think I would have beaten Greg
Anthony that day in Detroit shooting three pointers when we
were on the floor.
Speaker 9 (46:29):
So it's shooting competition, Dad, you got a pretty good stroke,
maybe you'd have a shot. But I know this, if
you decided to go one on one, I think Greg's
locking you.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Oh no, no, I agree with that. I'm just saying
shooting three is Greg Anthony is a fifteen to eighteen footer.
Speaker 9 (46:43):
Let me ask Let me ask you a question. You
always ask themout shooting mansh Do you shoot anymore? Like
you actually go to a court and shoot?
Speaker 2 (46:52):
It's too easy, I think. I like, after a while,
you get bored, you know.
Speaker 9 (46:59):
Are you used to go? I used to shoot a lot, man.
I'm aout to point out. I shoot heavily leading up
to my basketball camp, so I don't embarrass myself in.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Front of those kids. Uh, But I just I don't
have the time for it anymore. My knees hurt a
little bit more than they used to. So it's harder
for me too. But I do know this. If you
gave me, if you gave me a week.
Speaker 9 (47:19):
To prepare for anything, I'm still gonna go and I'll
put on a good show for you.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
So if I gave you a week to prepare for
Steph Curry, for Steph Curry.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
I need more than a week. You got to give
me about three.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Months, Okay, all right, because I might need.
Speaker 9 (47:34):
If I'm if I'm taking on a guy like that,
I don't want to get humiliated. I'm probably gonna need
to go maybe get some injections in my knee first.
Let's start there, okay, so I have comfort and then
the rhythm of repetition. Yeah, you give me, you give me,
you know, six days a week shooting for a couple
of months.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
I'll take my shot against anybody.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
What about Ray Allen? You against Ray Allen right now?
Three point shooting contest.
Speaker 9 (47:56):
Man, that's a good that's a great one. I don't
rain looks like the kind of still plays pickup ball.
Like you know, he's probably still in rhythm. I would
need less time to take him on. But still I
always thought Ray Allen for like a decade until the
Curry came into the league.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
I thought Ray Allen was the best shooter on the
planet for about ten years.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Probably, So you know that man Steph would probably have you.
Speaker 9 (48:23):
I mean, if you don't defer to him. I think
that now you're coming off sounding a little bit kookie.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
How about you against Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
I'd be confident in that. I'd be confident in that
match up.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Okay, what if it's from thirty feet.
Speaker 8 (48:45):
She'd probably get me there now because she's regularly taken
him from that distance.
Speaker 9 (48:51):
If I go and shoot now, and I'm trying to
impress you, I'm going to be towed up right at
the line I used to be.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
I used to be out there that age I go
to but you know I put on. I used to
get go around and visit.
Speaker 9 (49:03):
Different camps, spoke at you know, high school recruiting camps
and again, and do shooting demonstrations, and I'd be out
where you're talking about and not miss Like you can
go twenty minutes and you're just making everything.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Now it's you're much closer to that line than you
used to be. In fact, you're right on the line.
You're it's an al Horford three. Let me put it.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Good to talk to you again, Legs, thanks away, thanks
for joining us. Jim Legler
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yes, we will dive into Shador Sanders and why he
fell and some of the surprises, highs and lows of
the draft coming up and tonight Cabs, Heat, Rockets, Warriors
watching basketball yesterday. Over the weekend, the thunder are gonna
have a lot of time to rest, although as a
young team, you probably don't want to rest too much.
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The Cabs up three to zero in the Heat, Nuggets
and Clippers series has been wonderful TI to two games
a piece. The Warriors lead the Rockets two games to one.
Nick's got a gift at the buzzer as they beat
the Pistons three to one and the Timberwolves over the Lakers.
Yesterday afternoon, They're up three games to one, Magic and Celtics.
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It's Boston three games to one, Pacers in the Bucks
three games to one, and it looks like Dame Lillard's
season is over. And not sure the extent of that injury,
but it certainly looked bad. I did watch a lot
of the Lakers game because well, we were trying to
see if the Lakers are for real, and I think
there was a stretch when they won eight games in
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a row, and I said, if they continue to play defense,
and I thought they had depth, that they would be
able to go against these younger teams. Minnesota's a younger team,
Oklahoma City's a younger team, Houston's a younger team. You
got to have that energy, and they did not have
that energy. JJ Reddick didn't make a substitution in the
second half, and Lebron looks spent. Luca still, I guess
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recovering from flu like symptoms. And you cannot allow Anthony
Edwards to get hot, to get confident. He is one
of those guys there's only a couple in the league.
When he goes, you're not going to stop him. And
he has energy and he gets the crowd into it.
He's not afraid of anybody on the floor. And you
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saw that yesterday. Lebron looked tired. Lebron had a bad,
bad sequence with a terrible three and then a lazy
and pass. They do have a chance at the very end,
and I got Austin Reeves in the corner. That's why
you're in the corner. Get your feet set to take
that three pointer. You can win the game. You get
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the ball out of Lebron's hands. Out of Luca's hands,
you get it into Austin Reeves hands. He's in the corner,
he takes an off balance three, he's not even squared
up to the basket. And really that's one of those
moments that that'll come back and haunt them because now
they're down three games to one. Here's Lebron James On
not scoring in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I mean, we have some really good looks. I mean,
Luca missed a you know, a point blank layup, you know,
to put us up seven. You know, I missed a
point blank layup to put us up four. You know,
we had a couple opportunities. I don't think fatigue. Fatigue
had anything to do with that. We just we just
missed him some point blank shots.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You know, we were getting to what we wanted to
get into, and we just wanted able to convert.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay, if it works then, you know, not substituting, then
we're probably saying, Wow, that was a brave coaching decision
by JJ Reddick, who had this to say defending his strategy.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Let's just start with Luca got tripped. I mean, that
was a blatant trip He doesn't just fall on his own.
We watched it. You know, he gets tripped, So we
should have been at the free throw line.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
You know.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Not that's not an excuse for why we lost, but
we felt and you know, we had a chance to
go up. You work on the endgame stuff, you know,
you draw it up and you tell guys very specific things.
We didn't execute it, and very obvious we didn't execute it.
So I don't know what that's my only advantage point.
You know, we just didn't execute it.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well, you didn't substitute, and they looked tired, certainly Lebron did.
And you know, Luca has been under the weather. I
just got to figure you put somebody in, just give
him a little bit of a breather. Be does Anthony
Edwards and nas Reed. I mean, they got guys who
are just going to be a high motor guy. Luca
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didn't get tripped. Luca stepped on the defender's shoe, That's
what happened. So he didn't get tripped, and so there
should have been free throws there. Austin Reeves wasn't ready
to shoot three like look at his you know, his
form terrible. Lebron takes a deep three, Lebron with a
lazy inbounds pass. Lebron gets called for the foul against
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Anthony Edwards. That's where fatigue comes in, where you do
things and you don't go all the way through. You
missed the three. The inbounds pass was terrible and you
cost yourself. You to keep up with these young teams
in the West, you know, you do need a little
bit of depth, and Lakers did not rely on any
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of that depth in the second half. So they're down
three games to one. But you start to look at this. Okay, soe,
he's got more arrest here. Now, I thought Golden State
would beat Houston. I think Houston's on a fact finding
mission of let's figure out now what we do next
year because we're not going to win the title. But
you know, Golden State, let's see if Jimmy Butler is
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able to play Celtics that they're going to put away Orlando.
The Cabs looking good against Miami, you know. So there's
there's not a lot of drama other than what we
saw with OKC and Denver. The Clippers and Denver has
been great. I mean that's spirited, that's back and forth.
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A couple of possessions. It feels like every single game
and uh, some basketball coming up tonight eight seven seven
three DP show. We'll get to your phone calls. Best
and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked,
you didn't like? But the Timberwolves rallying from twelve down
late in the third quarter, and uh, Minnesota outscored the
Lakers in the fourth quarter. So far, so so far.
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In all these games, Minnesota's outscored the Lakers in the
fourth quarter by combined one five to sixty nine.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Whoa stall of a day?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Stant a day, stall of a day, stand of a day.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
This is the stule of the day.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Knowing those numbers. That comes back to fatigue to a
certain degree, That comes back to depth, to a certain degree.
You're getting blown out in the fourth quarter by a
younger team. Odds to win the title, it's still the
Thunder and the Celtics the prohibitive favorites. Then it's the Calves,
and then after that it's a distant Golden State and
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the Clippers. By the way, it's so interesting the number
of people NBA friends that I have, They're like, hey
about Kawhi Leonard, I go No one ever said anything
negative about Kawhi Leonard. When he plays, it's just he
doesn't play. So yeah, when he does play, I expect
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him to be great. It's just I don't expect him
to play. But he's a wonderful player. But we kind
of forgot about him and then all of a sudden
he puts up, you know, thirty and we're like about that.
Kawhi Leonnard, go, Yes, he's supposed to be great. Just
play more than thirty seven games this year. That's not
(07:23):
asking too much, Okay, satan Let's poll question today? Well,
he got one here from Marvin this one, we might
as well jump right ahead to it. Now that the
NFL Draft is over. Who do you want to see
in Hard Knocks this season? Oh? Cleveland? I mean right, Cleveland.
That's it, Cleveland. I'm close. Yeah, But it was one
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of those stories that I wanted it to go away.
But if your NFL network and the mothership, you didn't
want it to go away because the number of people
who stayed tuned to the weeknd, the Friday, and Saturday
of the NFL Draft and ratings were up I think
forty percent for the second day of the draft or
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the no the final day of the draft. That's unheard of,
But it's because of one story, one player, shud Or Sanders,
and the number of revisionist history experts who've come out
to tell us, Now, why should do Or Sanders dropped?
Where were you guys before the draft? Where was everybody
(08:34):
before this happened? The only thing I told you was
at the end of the show on Thursday, prior to
the first round, my source said, I don't have a
first round great on him. That was it, And he
did say this wasn't he didn't look at the interviewing
or how poorly should Or Sanders interviewed. He said, I'm
(08:55):
just looking at football stuff. He goes, I'm looking at
what I saw.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
He was at the Shrine Bowl, and you know, Shador
didn't do any of the drills down there, and they
felt that he was a little stand offish with that.
Or Hey, I know where I'm going, where I'm going
to be drafted. You know, I'll put up with this
sort of dog and pony show. But you start to
hear these stories that he's doing a FaceTime while he's
in an interview with the Giants, with the team meeting.
(09:23):
That would be a red flag. But do I think
this is a league wide conspiracy. Do I think it's collusion?
I don't, because the NFL is cutthroat. These coaches know
they get two years, maybe three at the most to
be able to hold onto their jobs or gms. Do
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I think that everybody went, hey, I'm not taking him.
I'm not taking him. I'm not taking him. The one
team that really surprised me who did not take him
was the Raiders because Tom Brady's now in charge. Tom
Brady has known Shaudor Sanders a long time. He has
helped mentor him. He knows him, and they do have
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Geno Smith. But I thought if any team who knows
him and has the opportunity to draft him, it's the
Raiders because of Tom Brady. How many times did they
pass on him and they eventually took a couple of
quarterbacks at the end of the draft That surprised me.
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I think Cleveland. Look, do I think the owner said
we're going to go up and get him for whatever reason? Yes,
I do. I think this was a Jimmy Haslam telling
the GM and the coach, let's go get him. You know,
let's let's stop this. He has a relationship with Dion.
They developed a relationship during the whole draft process. But
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I do like that landing spot for him. I would
not be surprised at all if Shadoor Sanders starts a
game this year, at least one game with Cleveland. In fact,
if you said over under one and a half games
for Shadur Sanders, I might go over. We've seen these
guys who are fourth, fifth, sixth round picks now in
the last couple of years they get a chance to start,
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and I think shoud Or Sanders will get a chance
to start. Did he get humbled, Yes, he did. I
thought that that's where he was going to go. It
felt like that. I certainly felt that he was going
to I thought he was going to go first pick,
second round. I just thought that that made sense. But
it comes back to a lot of different things that
it felt like the guys who do mock drafts, all
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they did is take whatever was told to them and
then they just kept spitting it back out. Hey, it's
should Or Sanders. He might go three, he might go two.
I mean, we put the over under it five and
a half. I didn't know it be five and a
half rounds Vegas had an eight and a half. We
thought he was going to go to the Saints and
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then all of a sudden. This is where you get
the professionals to look at a draft prospect, not guys
who are mocked draft people. Okay, a lot of that's
for clicks, and there's a mock draft for next year
already out. It's big business. We understand all of that.
But when you get the guys whose jobs are to
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analyze this, that their job is like the mock draft.
Guys don't get fired if a scout screws up, a
scout gets fired. That's where you get real intel. Now
it takes a while to get that intel. I'm still
working on some Cleveland Browns intel. But you know, that's
where you get guys who come in and go, hey,
(12:35):
I see this or I don't see that. You know
his arm strength, it's not great. Everybody kept saying the
same thing. He's tough, and he is. I put him
third on my Heisman ballot. He was tough in an
offensive line that wasn't very good. He did have a bailout,
certainly with a one great receiver and a very good receiver.
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Didn't have a running game at all. But some of
the things that were said. Nick Bombgardner of The Athletic,
he was talking about how Shadoor Sanders he basically said
to teams, look at the tape. I don't need to
be working out, And he goes on to say in
his article on The Athletic, you cannot simply declare yourself
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something you aren't and hope nobody checks on it. Todd
McShay had some things to say about this about what
happened with the Giants. It didn't go well, frustration with
him not being prepared, basically didn't want to go through
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what everybody else went through. And then the Giants traded
up to take Jackson Dart from Ole. Miss Bombgardner goes
on to write, the reality here is that Shadoor Sanders
is a good football player, a quality prospect, and someone
who could eventually turn into a functional starter so long
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as he's surround to buy talent and a strong offensive line.
But the questions about his arm, talent size, pocket processing,
and general over confidence were very real. All Right, You
had another draft analysts who said personality nitpicks wouldn't be
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an issue if he had put together a better tape.
One evaluator said that Sanders would have gotten a third
round grade in a year with better QB prospects. Now,
I do believe that. I think he was elevated because
there weren't great quarterbacks and cam Ward would have been
the fifth or sixth quarterback last year, So where would
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Shadoor Sanders have been on that list? He might have
been the eighth or ninth quarterback taken. There were other
quarterbacks the teams felt more comfortable with. Jackson Dart is
probably a better athlete than Shador. Jackson Dart is a
really good quarterback. Thought he was going to be a
first round pick. I think Shador was going to fall
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this far. Absolutely not. But you go back to how
good are you? And you know there's a sliding scale
of productivity, and then you have this side show like
Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow was not going to be brought
in by teams and they would say this, They didn't
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want more attention for their backup quarterback than their starting quarterback.
So it does happen Cam Newton same way. I was
just surprised. I thought that in a draft that didn't
have great quarterbacks, maybe somebody's going to take a chance. Now,
Dylan Gabriel at Oregon is a better athlete than Shador Sanders.
He has more passing yards and more passing touchdowns than
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anybody in the history of college football. He's a Russell
Wilson type, left handed and very athletic. Cleveland takes him.
So that quarterback room is going to be interesting. You're
gonna have Joe Flacco in there. It be like a daycare.
You know, he's in there, and he's forty years of age,
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and he's got all these younger guys in there. Remember
they traded for Kenny Pickett like, and you still have
Deshaun Watson. It's so Brownsian to do what they did.
They congratulations, they did a wonderful job. But I do
think Shador Sanders went to the right place for him
because he can prove himself. They don't have proven talent
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Speaker 2 (17:42):
Just bring in Kevin Clark, host an analyst for Omaha
productions ESPN and host of This Is Football podcast Here,
what do you think Bill Belichick was really saying there, Kevin.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
The same thing he's been saying for twenty five years. Nothing.
I think he's trying to treat CBS This Morning and
a lot of these other place like he did the
New England media and it's not gonna work. Like that's
the problem in college. You have to go out and recruit,
you have to win over the fan base, and he
hasn't done that. Like I think I saw some unc
beat writers saying like there was no access during spring,
like this is not the Patriot way anymore. So what
(18:14):
was he saying about Craft specifically is I don't think
he likes him very much, but I think that you
have to address that because you have to talk with
the elephants in the rooms at this point when you're
when you're selling a book, that's when you address the
elephants in the room.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Dawn.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, he's just such a bad interview even when he's
trying to be I'm sure his girlfriend is saying, Bill,
let's go over scenarios, and she would play the role
of interviewer, right, and she would ask him questions. I mean,
I'm guessing like she's really involved in this, you know,
this whole North Carolina situation.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
She seems to be a bad publicist. That seems to
be My My read on the situation is that she
seems to not have a grip on what questions or inbounds. Also,
like the don't we don't talk about the relationship thing,
it's already out there. How they met. I mean, you can,
you can do this. You can give give the people
what they want. Give us a little bit that we
met an airplane and was love at first sight. The
whole thing. This is not hard. They made it hard.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Well, now, I really want to know they made like,
wait a minute, what hell's happened here? It's like when
Tiger Woods and his new girlfriend send out a picture. Yeah,
and then they say respect our productor privacy. Yeah, I
did respect your privacy. And two just now I.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
No longer respect your privacy.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
All right? The draft in Greece, bag, give me the
second biggest story of the draft.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, from a college
football perspective, you guys mentioned earlier quin yours cost himself
about four million dollars. Okay, like that that's an important thing.
You could have gone to Miami and the cars and
beck Roll. There's so many schools Oregon who were looking
for a veteran presence. So for me that draft was significant.
But you know, when I look at some of these
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teams that are building, like I think Washington knocked it
out of the park and I don't see a scenario
in which they're not in a super Bowl in the
next five Because I look at Josh Connery, I look
at treemos So, I think is a really good cornerback.
The receiver they got for Jana Tech, who's a great athlete.
Like I'm looking at some of these teams, I'm just
seeing a pathway here. I think the commander's doing everything right.
They're get the stadium here today. I guess that they're
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gonna have the new RFK site there. So I think
the second biggest thing, aside from Shredura Sanders, is just
some of these teams are kind of building into a
Super Bowl Kner. Now, I think cam Ward is probably
the second biggest thing because I think he's a Mahomes
like talent. I'm the one guy who's going out there
and saying, by the way, the number one overall pick.
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He's pretty good. I know we don't want to talk
about the number one overall pick, but I think he's phenomenal.
I went to Miami. I saw every snap from him.
I promise people say, oh, you're a Miami Homer. Nobody's
hated watching Miami more than me over the past twenty years. Okay,
on the opposite of a homer, but I just saw
what he was able to do on a snaper snap basis,
and he's able to do. Steve Young was on my
show a couple of years ago when he says about Mahomes,
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I think about a lot. He said, everyone talks about
the Superman, but what makes Mahomes Mahomes is the Clark Kent.
You know, the basics, the hitting, the guy over the middle,
taking the check down. Cam Ward does both of those
things really well. I think that's what's gonna make him special.
I think Tennessee is not going to have the same
infrastructure that Kansas City had, So if I say he's Mahomes,
it's not gonna be the same path because there's no Kelsey,
(21:15):
there's no there's no Tiger Kill, there's no Andy Reid.
But I think you're gonna be the instant, instant success
from from cam Warden. I think he's going to change
the Titans franchise. That franchise. He's a little jew, stand
I don't know if you've noticed. Yeah, there's nothing going
on there.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
The situation with the Browns in Jacksonville with that trade. Yeah, okay,
we can take out the talent, you know, we'll start
with that and just say and by it felt by
a lot of indicators that Jacksonville did an incredible job.
But but Cleveland did an even better job of fleeshing Jacksonville.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Also, you think jackson one, they both won.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Because the Browns are looking at this and saying, Deshaun
Watson set us back probably more than the four years
on a contract. Okay, that's important. They're not trying to
win now. They if they were trying to win now,
they would they would have drafted Travis Hunter and gone
from there. They wouldn't addrafted Dan Gabriel in the third round.
The wouldn't a drafted Jeer Sanders in the fifth round.
They understand where they are. The Jaguars again, you talk
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about a franchise that needs some juice, needs a little
you know, in market, kicking the butt. You got to
start there. What's going on in Jacksonville. They have a
new coach, they have a new GM. For me, when
you have a special talent. The first press conference that
was ever at as an NFL journalist was Mike Shanahan
right after the RG three trade, and he asked rhetorical question,
He said, what did the Broncos give up for John
l Way? Nobody knew, you know why because nobody cared.
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Nobody nobody. Nobody was saying, oh, they over they added, Oh,
I can't believe they added this for another second round pick. No,
they got a franchise cornerstone. And so with Travis Hunter,
if he's the guy you think he is, you can't
there's no overpay for that.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But why didn't Cleveland look at the otani of the
NFL and knowing that they needed to take away from
this Deshaun Watson's situation and you get a you get
a makeover right away.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
I agree in theory, but I think they're looking at
this roster. It's an aging roster that was built around
the Deshaun Watson thing working okay, and I think they
have some self awareness that that's not going to be
the case anymore that the aging roster some other guys.
It's not ready to win now. So take the Jaguars pick,
which is probably going to be a pretty good pick
next year, and start building in a different way.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Well why not?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Why not trade Miles Garrett or why extend Miles Scart.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Would have I probably would have. I mean, I listen,
you're you're putting yourself you're doing something very dangerous sand
which he's putting yourself in the head of the Cleveland
Browns and saying, let's make some good decisions. They haven't
done that for thirty years. Okay, so it's really the
dealing Gabriel pick, to me, was one of the dumbest
of the entire draft. What are you doing at that point?
And why we can get into the sure thing? But
but why you would take Gabriel who would have dropped
(23:53):
a handful more rounds. He's a career backup when you're
looking for a starter. Are you now going to trade
for Kirk Cousins. You have Joe Flack in the room.
None of this really makes any sense. It's like, and
maybe this is just the product of ownership. Dan, It's
like there's five different decision makers in Cleveland, and they're
all they all get to make alternating decisions and it's
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like they've never met before.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Well you can tell if I look at body language
of coaching GM when they made when they made the
pick with Shador, that came from up above, because it
almost felt like, oh my gosh, let's draft him and
then let's trade up to draft him when you could
have had him, Like I just it was Brownsian.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
I mean it was Brownsie.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
It was truly Brownsie in there. But I do think
it's a great place for Shudor to go to because
I think he'll play. I think he'll start a game
this year.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
He's gonna be instantly better than Dan Gabriel. So that's
the first hurdle to clear. Dan Gabriel is not very good.
Kevin Stepancy can tell Hm where to go with the ball.
We know that your Drek can be act. We know
he can. I mean my thing about your Durr, I
didn't think he was top five level. But what I
did think was if you put a lot of those
prospects behind the Colorado offensive line last year, they wouldn't
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have looked as good as Sugar.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
But if I give them the receivers that Colorado had,
you're gonna look pretty at least one.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Yes, I agree with that. You know, when I look
at the Schadar situation, I was texting people in the
league in the fourth round and in the fifth round,
and I was saying, why don't you guys just take Shadar.
I'm talking about teams with good quarterbacks where it's not
going to be a drama, like, hey, this this this
first round talent is dropping. This seems like value. And
they said there were two problems. Number One, they didn't
do any work on the guy because they didn't think
(25:35):
this was gonna happen, right, So like, if you're a
team with a a franchise starter already, you didn't even
meet Schidar sand he only have his phone number. I mean,
apparently everybody has a phone number because of Jack's Olbrich.
But you know, you just get into a situation where
they'd be flying blind. So that was that was part
of the problem. But then the other problem is they
(25:55):
just didn't want to disrupt their quarterback room. I don't know.
I mean, there's a lot of ways to get Schadar production,
especially in the fifth round or in the mid rounds
without Sports Center coming to your coming to your camp
on day one.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Was this collusion.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
I don't think it was. I don't think it was.
I think it starts with the most basic obvious thing,
which is there were only a handful of quarterback needy
teams and they didn't think should there was that good.
I think it starts there, and then it was a
cascading series of effects. I do think that there's a
lot of cowardice in the NFL where they just don't
want distractions, and I think that is more powerful than
any sort of whatever. I don't think there was exact
(26:32):
collusion where they were staying away from him.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
He's Kevin Clark. He is a host an analyst for
Omaha Productions in ESPN and his must listen to podcasts
This is Football and I'm starting, you know, I was
just trying to figure this out that Tom Brady, who's
running the Raiders, has been around shaud Or Sanders for
a long time, passed on him, passed on him, and
they could certainly use another quarterback in there. I know
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you extended Geno Smith. That was the one that stood
out more than anything because Pittsburgh, to me, you know
they take Will Howard, and I like that pick. I
think Will Howard can play in the NFL. But that
really led me to believe they really are hoping that
Aaron Rodgers is coming to town.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
He has to, he has to. I mean it sounds like,
you know, Art Rooney, the owner, a couple of weeks
ago in Palm Beach at the owner's meeting, said that
that's the expectation there. I don't think Steeler's ownership really
talks out of turn. So I assume that there's indications
that he's coming. They're screwed without him, because I last
week I heard some of the insiders say, well, you know,
they're really comfortable with Mason Rudolf. Nobody is comfortable with
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Mason Rudolf. So I knew that that was a tell
that Aaron Rodgers is probably coming.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
How honest, when you know somebody's being honest with you,
you know, you talk a lot of coach and g
Anderson whoever. Like I have. I have three different sources
in the NFL, and I've had them for probably twenty
of twenty two, twenty three years. But you know, I'm
fed a lot of information sometimes and you know, I've
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been used before.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
In the draft season. It's really hard because remember, a
scout might tell you this is the best guy in
the draft, but he might have the power to do it,
or you know, somebody from the I'm just giving an example, right,
we're talking about ownership coming from above and saying you
have to take Shooter Singers. If that was a scenario,
well five minutes before that, you could have gotten a
text from someone with audition making power in Cleveland saying, nah,
we're not gonna do it, and then the owner does it. Right,
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So predicting what's gapping in the draft is a fools er.
It's really hard because of just the different things. And
no one thought your dur wasnappening, by the way, like
everybody's talking about, oh, people need to saying, oh I
saw was coming with your door, You didn't unless you
said it was the biggest drop in history incoming. Then
you didn't see it coming. Like you're saying, oh, he
might drop to the second round. We didn't drop the
secon round. He dropped the fifth round. So you didn't
see a coming. Predicting what's actually gonna happen on draft
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night outside of the first pick. You know, I had
Brian Callahan, the Titans coach, on my show a couple
of weeks ago, and he started talking and he said,
you know, I coached Joe Burrow when he was a rookie.
And I went back and I watched the zooms that
we had because it was COVID, so they recorded it
just to get a sense of what a rookie quarterback
would be like. And so this is like March fifteenth,
and I'm thinking, you know, Brian, you're probably not doing
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that if you're gonna draft Abdual Carter or Travis Hunter.
So I think you may have indicated where you're going.
So there's tells like that obviously, but I think you know,
you kind of have to dis guess. I mean, you
mentioned you have sources where you have years and years
of goodwill built up. You know they're not going to
be su they know you know that they're not gonna
use you. I think newer sources or sources with something. Hey,
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you know, the biggest thing always is when a team
is trying to get rid of either a player or
a coach and they're gonna for I think it's Larry
David the voice they're going to foist you and they're
trying to like so I had't I won't say the coach,
but I had a GM text me a couple of
years ago about their defensive coordinator and he said this
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DC would be amazing for the USC job. And I
was like, no, we' what are you talking about? And
then a couple a couple of months later the DC
and moved on. But it's like, I think they wanted
me to put out so and so would be a
perfect fit for USC, and then USC calls them and.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Then their problem is solved.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
And whether they had a multi year contract or they
just wanted to clean ending, whatever it is, that's when
you look at it and you go you have to
have internal You have to be your own harshest critic,
or else you end up sending a tweet saying so
and so would be a great fit to be a Trojan.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
All right, give me the hot NFL team this year.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
I love Denver. I love Denver and I know waits.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
That's two loves like you love love Denver.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
I think Denver when I look around, I think about
the Eagles and how one day we woke up and
they had the best roster in football and they were
undeniable and probably the Super Bowl favorites next year. Right,
it's because you kept stacking talent. When I look at Denver,
I think in maybe next year we're gonna they're gonna
be close to that level. I think this year they're
going to be a double digit win team that I
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think probably will get Super Bowl buzz going into the season,
and they're probably a year away from that. But I
love what Bonex is able to do with Sean Payton.
I don't know what he would have been able to
do behind Colorado's offensive line, but that's not the question here.
And then I think that the way they've built the
trenches again, Eagles wise, the offensive line is great, the
defense keeps stacking talent. Baron was an awesome pick in
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the first round.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
R J.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Harvey was a reach for UCF, but again, Sean Payton
knows what to do with running backs. He loves contact,
yes speed. So I'm looking this Denver team and I'm saying,
why can't this team compete? Right now?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Now?
Speaker 6 (31:28):
To answer my own question, the Chargers are also going
to be quite good. I loved their draft and I
love Justin Herbert. I think Denver, though, is a half
step ahead right now in that division, with obviously the
Chiefs being number one. I think all three of them
have the chance to be really good this year.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
But Vegas is hot team the Chicago Bears. More money
bet on the Bears in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
So I see that. I think that they answered so
many of that. So Calebillams last year had the most
unblocked pressures and sacks the history of Next Gen's death.
So that's like a decade of data. Is that no
one had gotten a guy in their face where literally
the offensive line had no idea what they were doing.
And I look at him at it as maybe the
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dumbest plan in history, because or modern football history. Caleb
Williams said, one flaw he held onto the ball to law.
So what do you do if you're the Bears. You
give them one of the worst offensive lines in football?
How is that gonna work? How is that ever going
to work? It didn't, It didn't. He got killed and
then was sixty four sacks last year, and so they audit.
They go out and they probably overpaid for some guys.
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But that's okay again, over we don't we're not costplaying
gms here. We just need this to work.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Right.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
If we're the Bears, and so the front is settled,
the defense is going to be better. I liked what
they did. I thought Luther Burden was a really good
value pick in round two addressing tight end. Maybe you
go to tight ends with Cole Comet. I see that.
I just don't think they're an NFC contender. Okay, I
see them being much better. I see Klebollams not getting
sack sixty four times. I think they'll probably make the playoffs.
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I just don't see them in the same way I
had the Broncos to, which is I think in a
couple of years, the Broncos are going to be Super
Bowl contenders.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Thanks for visiting. We appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
I met you when I was thirteen years old at
the Tampa Super Bowl. It's great to be here again.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Was I nice to you?
Speaker 6 (33:17):
You were very nice. You're gonna lose respect for me.
I was such a sports media dork that I was
at a hotel. I figured it out that somehow you
guys were all there. So I just hung out at
the elevator bank meeting Sports Center anchors, and I got
everybody's autograph and the only one I can identify now
is Eisen because he signed it with his catchphrase, which
was you got it. So it says rich Eyes and Kevin,
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you got.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
It okay, So there you go. So thank you for
being nice to Do you want an autograph now?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yes? I did?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Okay, Thank you, Kevin.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
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Speaker 2 (33:58):
Jim Legler, one of the eight shooters in NBA history,
on the call for Celtic's magic on Friday, as well
as the Nicks in the Pistons Game four, and he
has a podcast, All City NBA Podcast. We'll talk about
that in a moment. Leg's good to talk to you
before you knew the end result. If I would have
told you the Lakers will not substitute in the second
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half of the Minnesota game, they will play their starting
five and nobody else will come in on the road
after they had what one day of rest in between
games three and four, you would have said, what, no.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Shot of winning the game?
Speaker 9 (34:34):
Because if you told me, first of all, if you
tell me something like that, I would say, well, that's
not going to happen. It's impossible. It's never happened. I've
never heard of such a thing. That would have been
my first answer. So this is a crazy.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Hypothetical you're throwing at me.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
But if then I thought to myself, we know, maybe
this could happen, I would think they must be in
dire straits. There has to be some reason why you'd
be pushed to an extreme measure like that. Anyway, slice
it against a team as good defensively as Minnesota is
capable of being. To think you got five guys played
twenty four straight minutes, no physical break, no mental break.
(35:12):
It's just not a formula for success. I think there's
a lot of criticism coming J. J.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Rittick's way.
Speaker 9 (35:17):
I think it's I think a lot of it is justified.
It's not just the substitution patterns either. I have a
lot of problems with that. The design of that inbounds
play late where Lebron turned the ball over. I don't
understand what they were trying to accomplish by the design
of the play, the spacing of the play, and then
just a terrible decision by Lebron to fill it to
(35:38):
the wrong hand for Luca. But so I think there's
a lot of criticism that's levied against J. J. Reddick
right now, and if they don't come back and win
this series, I think he's going to be dealing with that.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, because I'm looking at the mistakes they made. They
blew a thirteen point lead, Minnesota's at home. That's a
young team. Any team that has Anthony Edwards, you know,
is not going to stop and some of these mistakes.
Lebron takes a really deep three that to me was
a bad shot. Even if he makes it, it's still
not a high percentage. The inbounds pass is lazy. Then
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you know he commits the foul and Anthony Edwards to
me a lot of that, and you know that Luke
is not one hundred percent, But you're not bringing any
of those guys out and you still had a chance
to win. I don't think that Austin Reeves was ready
to take that shot in the corner, but I mean
the margin of victory and defeat at this time of
the year. I mean, I was just surprised at how
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the Lakers played down the stretch.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
Dan Listen, you could go right now anywhere in the
country and watch it probably you know, a middle school
basketball game where you know, the five starters are infinitely
better than the kids on the bench, and they're gonna
sub This is a situation with NBA players. You know,
millions and millions of dollars committed in salary to the
(36:57):
guys that are wearing Lakers uniforms sitting there, and you
can't go to any of those guys an entire second
half of a playoff game with really your season on
the brink. Now, you know, I'm not going to completely
write them off because they've got Luca and Lebron. They
let's face it, at the end of the day, they've
got two of the most special players in the league.
So this is one situation where three to one don't
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I'm not.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Ready to put this to bed yet.
Speaker 9 (37:21):
I think they go home and win Game five, you know,
and now you're getting into a situation. Can you win
a road game to force that Game seven back in
your place? I don't know, but to think that you
couldn't have the faith or confidence to go to anyone
else on your roster besides those five guys, it's really
mind boggling to me. And does it play into the
decision making. Possibly does it play into that three you
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mentioned by Lebron and Plad You brought it up because
I should have. I was remissive not mentioning that too.
That's a horrible shot. There's seven seconds on the shot clock.
He takes a thirty foot three, and if you watch
the possession, nobody moved. There was not a single cut screen,
no action whatsoever. They came down, held the ball for
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a little bit, swung it to Lebron and he just
pulled it after he had played twenty three consecutive minutes
and then look, he's better from the three than he's
ever been. That shot was Steph Curry range. That's not
his wheelhouse. So was that a fatigue thing physically mentally?
Possibly that the inbounds play, you know, Like I said,
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the construct of the play was terrible. Three guys breaking
to the ball within ten feet of each other with
their defender, So he got six bodies within ten feet
of each other, all coming to the corner of this
by the sideline where the half court acts as another barrier.
If you catch it in the front court, now they
could have run someone into the back court. That would
have been nice, or at least have one guy breaking
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to the ball, so he's got an opportunity to just
push off and catch it there. It was so congested,
and then Lebron makes a terrible decision that the.
Speaker 10 (38:56):
Pass has to go to Luca's left hand. Jake McDaniels
is on Lucas right side, he's hedging him over there,
and Lebron throws it to that side. So is that
a mental fatigue?
Speaker 9 (39:06):
He's too good a player, he's too smart to make
that mistake. So I don't know what all played into it,
but you can't tell me that it couldn't have factored
in when those guys hadn't had a break physically or
mentally for an entire.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Half of a must win game. That that's shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
What did you see on that last play with the
Pistons and the Knicks with Hardaway Junior?
Speaker 9 (39:27):
You know my vantage point calling the game, Dan was
tough because it was across the court, all the way
in the corner to my right, all the way across
the court with a lot of bodies over there. So
the shot goes off and I couldn't We couldn't see
it until we saw the replay. Once I saw the replay,
I believe, I said on the air my last comment
on it was, you know, there's no doubt shooters typically
are going to get that call. But then I went
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on to say, but at the same time, there was
almost nothing called in the second half of that game
on shooters.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Very little. I mean the third quarter of that game.
Speaker 9 (40:01):
I made a joke that you would have a hard
time convincing me that Navy Seal training was more arduous
than getting to the rim in the third quarter of
that game, because they just there was nothing. It was
played on it. By the way, I love it. I
mean that was the nineties, was when I played. I
loved that style of basketball. Now here's the thing, though,
on the shooter from a twenty four foot shot, you've
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got that guy's got to be protected more than a driver,
and so to get bumped on your shooting side absolutely
enough to make it the shot unmakable and should have
been called. And as you can see, the officials immediately
said it. They didn't mean to wait for the two
minute report. They said it once they got to the
locker room and saw the play because.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
They wanted to immediately put it out there.
Speaker 9 (40:46):
We blew it now that doesn't help Pistons fans because
you'd have a two to two series going back to
New York and the Pistons have played very well in
Madison Square Garden in this series.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Talking to Tim Legler, ESPN NBA analysts, former NBA player,
when you won the three point shooting contest, Larry Bird?
Was he out of the NBA?
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Yes, he was?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Okay, how do you think you would have done against Bird?
Speaker 9 (41:13):
Well, I hate to say it, but if Larry Bird
walked in the locker room and guaranteed a victory in
that competition and I was sitting in the locker room,
I probably would have had something to say back.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
So listen, I think everybody everybody that.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Particul Are you sure you would have said something at
the time to Larry Bird?
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Probably not.
Speaker 9 (41:30):
He was my He was my idol in high school college,
So probably you're probably right.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
No, but it may have made me. It may have
made me even.
Speaker 9 (41:40):
More because of how badly you know, how much better
the story would have been there.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
You know, I was just so happy to win it
and know that my name was going.
Speaker 9 (41:50):
To go on a list with that guy, like of
guys that have won the competition.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
So Yeah, but look, I think anybody that's.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
Participated in that probably believes that they would beat anybody
that's ever done it.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
How many teams can win the title?
Speaker 9 (42:06):
Well, I said, going, I said, going in to the
postseason or not the postseason. With about a month ago,
I said, one of these three teams is winning a title,
and you're not going to convince me it could possibly
be anybody else that was okay, see Boston and Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
To me, those three teams lapped the field this year
in the NBA. They were that much better than everybody else.
Speaker 9 (42:30):
The one X factor out there was the Lakers because
you know, adding this player and what that ultimately is
going to look like. And their defense took major strides
before that Lebron injury late in the year, their defense
had taken major strides. They're figuring out how to protect Luca,
and then you've just have two guys that have an
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answer for everything on the court offensively with their scoring,
their playmaking and their IQ. So I thought, you know,
I can't rule them out. To me, those other three
teams have been so much better than the rest of
the league. You rarely see it to that extent. So
Oklahoma City for me, has been the best team I've
seen all year. When they play their best, they are
the best team. But look, Boston is obviously right there,
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and then the Calves have been great. I just don't
know if the Calves ultimately will be able to get
past Boston.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Let me go back to the Lakers situation. It just
dawned on me. You know, here's Lebron twilight of his career.
They don't have draft picks there. I don't know where
they are salary cap wise. You got Luca for one
more year. Could you see a scenario where Luca looks
around and goes, do I want to stay in this situation?
(43:39):
If Lebron's not there and you got kind of the
group you have and maybe you add something, But is
it a foregone conclusion Luca is going to stay in
Los Angeles?
Speaker 9 (43:51):
Well, I definitely could see that scenario, and the main
reason for that he was thrust into it. This isn't
a situation where Luca got to free agency and said, man,
LA is where I want to be.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
You know, that's where I want to go, like Lebron did.
Speaker 9 (44:08):
And then now you figure, well, he's gonna stay the
O the rest of his career and finish now because
he chose that at that stage of his career.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
Luca didn't choose that.
Speaker 9 (44:16):
Luca was I'm not I'm still not sure. Lucas over
the shock of being traded, so he was thrust into
it thinking the most of it. But when it's all
said and done, does he a totally love playing with Lebron?
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Who knows? Does Lebron really love playing with him? I
don't know that either. I don't know how that long
that's gonna last. Is Lebron gonna hang him up? I
don't know.
Speaker 9 (44:42):
But now Luca's envisions himself going forward in the Lakers organization.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
But JJ Reddick, who knows how he feels about that.
Speaker 9 (44:51):
Really, he hasn't had a large enough sample size and
he didn't choose any of it. So when you're forced
into a situation, well, no, really, internally the conversations he's having,
you know, with the people in his life.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
That care about him. So could I envision it? Absolutely?
I could envision it. Now. I think there's a.
Speaker 9 (45:09):
Possibility because of the organization. What it says on the front,
you know, their commitment to try to keep winning all
the time. They're always going to try to win even
if they're in the luxury tax. Maybe Luca wants to
be that the next decade. He thinks, Hey, I'm a Laker,
I'm gonna win titles here. But I don't know that.
I don't think it's out of the question. He would
look around and say, Man, this is a one I chose.
What else is out there?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Unless Nico Harrison goes to another team and then you
have another trade with Nico Harrison. Who's the GM that
you can fleece them? Tell us about the All City
Podcast that Jeff, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (45:39):
Yeah, I'm really proud of it. Man, we're finishing our
second year here. Do it with Adam Razu's that Denver
sports personality knows the Nuggets inside and that, but knows
the entire league four days a week and it's real
basketball talk like this like we're having right now. It's
not hot takesh it's what happened in the game last night,
and we're gonna break it down, make it smarter.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
What's coming up tonight? Looking ahead? Cover the entire league
doesn't out of playoffs. Great, So it's four days week.
Speaker 9 (46:05):
Find it on YouTube, man, All City NBA Podcast, or
anywhere you get your podcast.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
I'm very proud of what it's becoming.
Speaker 9 (46:11):
I think if you're a real basketball person, this is
where you want to go to get the breakdowns.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
It's All City NBA podcast on YouTube, anywhere you get
your podcast. Do you think I would have beaten Greg
Anthony that day in Detroit shooting three pointers when we
were on the floor.
Speaker 9 (46:29):
So it's shooting competition, Dad, you got a pretty good stroke,
maybe you'd have a shot. But I know this, if
you decided to go one on one, I think Greg's
locking you.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Oh no, no, I agree with that. I'm just saying
shooting three is Greg Anthony is a fifteen to eighteen footer.
Speaker 9 (46:43):
Let me ask Let me ask you a question. You
always ask themout shooting mansh Do you shoot anymore? Like
you actually go to a court and shoot?
Speaker 2 (46:52):
It's too easy, I think. I like, after a while,
you get bored, you know.
Speaker 9 (46:59):
Are you used to go? I used to shoot a lot, man.
I'm aout to point out. I shoot heavily leading up
to my basketball camp, so I don't embarrass myself in.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Front of those kids. Uh, But I just I don't
have the time for it anymore. My knees hurt a
little bit more than they used to. So it's harder
for me too. But I do know this. If you
gave me, if you gave me a week.
Speaker 9 (47:19):
To prepare for anything, I'm still gonna go and I'll
put on a good show for you.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
So if I gave you a week to prepare for
Steph Curry, for Steph Curry.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
I need more than a week. You got to give
me about three.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Months, Okay, all right, because I might need.
Speaker 9 (47:34):
If I'm if I'm taking on a guy like that,
I don't want to get humiliated. I'm probably gonna need
to go maybe get some injections in my knee first.
Let's start there, okay, so I have comfort and then
the rhythm of repetition. Yeah, you give me, you give me,
you know, six days a week shooting for a couple
of months.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
I'll take my shot against anybody.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
What about Ray Allen? You against Ray Allen right now?
Three point shooting contest.
Speaker 9 (47:56):
Man, that's a good that's a great one. I don't
rain looks like the kind of still plays pickup ball.
Like you know, he's probably still in rhythm. I would
need less time to take him on. But still I
always thought Ray Allen for like a decade until the
Curry came into the league.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
I thought Ray Allen was the best shooter on the
planet for about ten years.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Probably, So you know that man Steph would probably have you.
Speaker 9 (48:23):
I mean, if you don't defer to him. I think
that now you're coming off sounding a little bit kookie.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
How about you against Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
I'd be confident in that. I'd be confident in that
match up.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Okay, what if it's from thirty feet.
Speaker 8 (48:45):
She'd probably get me there now because she's regularly taken
him from that distance.
Speaker 9 (48:51):
If I go and shoot now, and I'm trying to
impress you, I'm going to be towed up right at
the line I used to be.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
I used to be out there that age I go
to but you know I put on. I used to
get go around and visit.
Speaker 9 (49:03):
Different camps, spoke at you know, high school recruiting camps
and again, and do shooting demonstrations, and I'd be out
where you're talking about and not miss Like you can
go twenty minutes and you're just making everything.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Now it's you're much closer to that line than you
used to be. In fact, you're right on the line.
You're it's an al Horford three. Let me put it.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Good to talk to you again, Legs, thanks away, thanks
for joining us. Jim Legler
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