April 29, 2025 • 52 mins
DP reacts to the latest in the NBA Playoffs. Were the Cavs more dominant or were the Heat more embarrassing? With Rob Manfred reconsidering Pete Rose's reinstatement, should he be elected to the Hall of Fame? Albert Breer from The MMQB praises the haul Cleveland received for trading the No. 2 pick, and weighs in on the Steelers' QB uncertainty.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
You got basketball coming up tonight, Bucks and the Pacers, Pistons, Knicks, Magic, Celtics,
Clippers and the Nuggets. I would say there was basketball
last night, but maybe a reasonable fact simile Cavaliers blowout
the Miami Heat. Well, so much for Heat culture. This
is one of the biggest block you know, even by
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saying it's a blowout, that's downgrading this. The Cavaliers beat
the Heat one thirty eight to eighty three. They completed
a first round sweep. The fifty five point win, fourth
largest margin of victory in a playoff game in NBA history.
Cleveland also outscored the Heat by a combined one and
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twenty two points. That's the largest point differential in a
playoff series in NBA history. How about a round of
applause for the Miami Heat.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
We need a word that's bigger than blowout.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I don't know if you can say those words on radio,
but at some point you have to go, we're not
going to win this, We probably can't even make it respectable.
But when I saw that it was forty three to seventeen,
I go, okay, I'm going to guess the Cavaliers are
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probably going to move on. Just a guess, but I
think they're going to be able to move on from
the Miami Heat and Heat culture. The Miami Heater is
sort of like the Saint Louis Cardinals. They're always there,
feels like they're always competitive. They'll like dip in and
be in a World Series or win one, but they're
always playoff worthy, playoff caliber. And then all of a sudden,
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Jimmy Butler wants out and now it's Tyler hero bam
Adebayo's team and they went south quickly. But let's not
lose sight of the Cleveland Cavaliers. They got the defensive
player of the Year and they got the coach of
the year. They've been a great surprise that they took
that next step, just like Oksee did that. That's what
you want to see with these teams are going to
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compete for a title. What do you do the following
year when everybody expects you to be great? Oka See
had the best record in basketball. Look at what the
Cavaliers were able to do in the shadow of the
Boston Celtics. But last night, I know we'll focus on
the heat that was embarrassing. But what the Cabs have
done throughout the series, they did what they were supposed
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to do. Yes, tod When it's seventy two.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
To thirty three at halftime and you're in the locker room,
is it okay to take a peek at the travel
agent or to kind of figure out where you might
want to go with the family on vacation. You know,
it's sposter to catch you doing that, but maybe in
for a second you're in the corner. They're just kind
of looking at the travelosity.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Other The Miami Heat have made the playoffs twenty six
times in the last thirty two seasons. It's a given.
But all of a sudden you're looking at the Miami
Heat differently. That used to be a destination. Remember, players
would always talk about they wanted to go Miami. Dame
Lillard wanted to go to Miami. You know a lot
of these players are like, yeah, that's where I want
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to go, And I don't know if that's going to
be the case moving forward here Heat culture. Yes, yes, Marvin, but.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
The thing is they're still in Miami.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They are they are You can visit, you don't have
to go there.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Kind of like Atlanta. NBA players love visiting Atlanta, Yeah,
just living there.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, well they might love living there.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
And it's not playing there.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yes, Pauling, You're right.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
There was a time where both lifestyle and team, the
Heat were like a one seed for free agents.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, but they got roughed up. And now the Cleveland
Cavaliers will move on. Cleveland has Boston next, No, no,
Cleveland has Well, we don't know what's going to happen
in the rest of the East here. So Magic and
the Celtics and the Pistons and the Knicks. So they
would get the Pacers. The Calves would get the Pacers
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and the Knicks and the Celtics. So that's good, that'll
be fun. I'm telling you the Pacers they can score.
They're dangerous.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I know they're going against the Milwaukee team that's banged up,
but don't sleep on the Pacers, you know, beating Cleveland.
I watch enough of them to know that they are.
They probably love the fact that nobody talks about them
at all. Rick Carlisle probably loves that. It's like, all right,
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don't let them, we don't need it. No headlines here,
nothing to see here. You know, you want to Hey,
Caitlin Clark's in Indianapolis. You know, come and see Caitlin Clark.
Don't worry about us pistons in the Knicks. Let's see
what else do we have. Here's the forty nine Ers
extended George Kittle and that just happened. So now he
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is the highest paid tight end in the game. Well,
I don't think you're bringing back George Kittle if you're
not going to bring back or paid Rock Purty that
kind of money. Now, of course they're bringing back Brock Purty.
The question is how much are they going to spend Now.
I would have thought you would have you was signed
Brock Purty and then George Kittle, But they've gone the
other way around here with George, you know, because now
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they can say to Brock, well, we gave George and
you know a lot of this money, like, we don't
have that much leftover. Would you play for forty seven
million dollars a year? And I still go back to
what I said about rock Perty. If he was drafted
where Mac Jones was, I don't think anybody would have
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a problem with paying him fifty million dollars. It's just
in our mind we're going it was mister irrelevant. Even
if he's like taking the round before that final round,
we might look at him a little bit differently. But
the fact that you're mister irrelevant, well, how good could
he be? And George Kittle, I think it was a
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fifth round draft pick. You know, you get these guys
and that leads us to Shadoor Sanders, because yes, everybody
still has some kind of angle on this. There's a
crusade here for Shadoor Sanders. You know, this should not
be lumped in with Colin Kaepernick, completely different, but you're
getting analysts or host who are saying, oh, you know,
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Kaepernick was blackballed. I don't think Shudoor Sanders was, although
boomeris sis and did say on his radio show that
owners were told to take him off their draft boards,
told their people to take him off their draft boards. Okay,
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I don't think that's collusion, but you know, it feels
like people are trying to make this more than maybe
you just had somebody who was not as good as
we thought. Maybe you had those doing mock drafts who
didn't do a good job on this. They basically whipped
on it, and they took Dion's word that his son
was great, and Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterback is
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going to join us coming up, and you know, he
had some interesting things to say, and he said, you know,
let's just have an honest conversation about Shador Sanders and
he said it starts with the team's evaluations of Dion's
son Shador as a player. Tuesday, before the draft, Albert
Breer in the Monday Morning Quarterback said that it wasn't
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easy to find coaches or scouts who viewed the Colorado
quarterback as a first round talent. He's not a great athlete,
he didn't show great arm talent, bad habits of taking
unnecessary sacks, bailing out of the back of the pocket,
had trouble playing on time in general, did things off schedule,
and they weren't going to translate to the NFL. Also,
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he did not take blame when asked about interceptions when
he was interviewed by some team. Okay, but did we
think he was going to drop to the fifth If
we knew all of this, then why were we still
banging the drum that he should be a top ten pick,
fifteen pick, first round pick Steelers at twenty one.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It was right there in front of us, wasn't It's
the same thing with Johnny Manziel. Johnny Manziel, everything that
was going on with him was right in front of us.
It felt like we didn't want to ruin the story,
like the story was great Johnny Manziel. And then if
you realize guy didn't love football. I think he was
great at football. He cared about being a star. I
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didn't put in the time stuff that went on at
Texas A and m Thank god he had Mike Evans
as his wide receiver, you know, so it was right there.
We sometimes have wishful reporting, and I don't know if
people wished that Shadoor Sanders was going in the first round,
but we certainly liked the prospect of could he go
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to the Steelers, what's Dion's relationship with Mike Tom what
about the Rams? Would the Rams go up and get him?
Are the Giants going to go back into the first
you know? So we created all these scenarios, and really
I think Shador Sanders needed somebody who was going to
be honest with him. I think his son, or being
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the son of Dion, you know, there is entitlement there.
I think you're it's your team. You're able to do
what you want. You're the quarterback. But are you as
good as you think you are? Like you can tell
us and your dad can tell us. I just think
that they probably needed somebody in their camp to say,
I'm gonna be honest with you here, because you have
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a lot of yes men. If you're around celebrities, you're
around actors, musicians, there's a lot of people who tell
you what you want to hear. But you want to
hear what is going to make you better, what is
going to keep you grounded. He doesn't have an agent,
and that agent might have been honest with Shador and
just said, man, I don't want to be a buzzkill,
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but I'm not hearing good things about this or this
or this. Hey, we got to be ready for this.
Like that's what an agent does. I'm sure there are
advisers there, but Dion. When Dion was with us at
the Super Bowl, it certainly felt like he was the
battering ram. He was, he was the trojan horse he was.
He was going in and he was going to tell
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teams don't draft. My son talked about the Cleveland Browns
not wanting his son to go there. But I think
if somebody would have been or should have been honest,
then maybe he wouldn't have suffered a painful lesson. Now
he would have gotten humbled, but he would at least
been prepared. And then that's when you take the initiative.
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That's where you go, Hey, I got things that I'm
working on, and we'll continue to work on. And I
realize I'm not a finished product. I'm ready to go.
Whatever Cleveland wants me to do, I'll do. I want
to be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. I
get least if you push it forward and not be
defensive or blame it on you know, scouts or people
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who didn't like Dion, whatever somebody's initiative is. I think
just being honest, that's sometimes what you want to There
are times I don't want to hear things, but I'll
hear things that I know that you know, PAULI will say, Hey,
don't want to be a buzzkill, but and then it'll
tell me something like, all right, I got to eat that.
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This is what shador I think needed because the truth
is the best advice of all in a situation like this,
and you get caught up in this. You're like being told,
you know a lot of sycophans out there, they're going
to tell you what you want to hear. Man, you're great, man,
you get those giants. Cleats Man, You're going to the giants.
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You know, you and Malik Neighbors, You're going to be
It's you, man. I mean, that's why you have guys
who watch Entourage. You know, when you see Entourage, they're
telling Benny Chase whatever he wants to hear. That's what
this is, Dion, And maybe maybe he had tough love
for him and told him, Hey, you got to stop
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doing this. Hey, you got to be in the moment. Hey,
you have to listen to these people. Hey, you got
to be prepared. I mean, I would think Dion would
do that, But it certainly didn't feel like Shador Sanders
went into those interviews trying to impress you. It's almost
as if he came into those interviews to say, all right,
you need to impress me. What do you got? And
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it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, Paul, it does feel a bit like a confluence
of things. The first athletes of the NIL era, who
were making millions in college come in differently, with a
different tone, driving whatever cars are driving. And maybe they
don't play the game like they used to. But it
seems like a couple things happened the past twenty four hours.
I don't know who said it the other day, but
some teams never even looked at Shador Sanders because they
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didn't expect him to fall. So that takes a bunch
of teams out that might have drafted him. Then Boomer
size and said a few owners told their people don't
take them under under circumstances. That takes out a couple
more teams. Now you're running out of possible landing spots
where it doesn't really matter how many rounds you go.
If those teams passed on you, they're not going to
come back. Like a couple things had to happen for
this to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, but I still go back to the Raiders. I mean,
Tom Brady's known this kid for a long time. But
and he drafted a quarterback later on, So you can't
go in it and go, hey, where's our bargain in
the draft? If Tom so when you say, oh, you
know this is collusion. Why did Tom Brady pass on him?
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And they drafted a quarterback late in the draft. That's
what I don't understand because Tom has been around Shador
Sanders and Dion had a mentor his son, and they
bypassed him a few times. I think, and I we
don't have confirmation on this, but I'm trying to get
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this is there were a couple of teams that just
didn't view him as a starter, but did view him
as a quarterback in the NFL. And there's a big
difference in that because a lot of times you'll get
the quarterback in the first round, but you don't get
the quarterback until like the fourth or fifth round. Now,
you know Jalen Hurts was a second round pick, but
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you know, if you look back on some of these drafts,
a lot of times you don't get the second round,
you know, draft pick at that position because you're either
good enough to be in the first round or you're
going to be later on because you're a backup quarterback. Now,
some of these guys will take snaps as a starter
this year. I truly believe there could be three or
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four of these quarterbacks who were taken later who will
play this year in the NFL. But that doesn't mean
their first round, you know, talents, that doesn't mean there's
a franchise quarterback a starting quarterback. And I think that's
what happened with Shador Sanders. He was a really good
college quarterback. He got by with doing some things that
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he needed to really clean up on. And these are
things that I told you about with arm strength, line
of scrimmage, speeding things up, you know, being, you know,
having that clock in your head. Being And this is
what is told to me by two scouts and helped
out by having Travis Hunter as well, held onto the
ball too long, didn't take blame when things went bad.
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But then I had one scout who said to me
last night his teammates loved him, loved him, they like
they his energy, everything about it. And I'm like, like,
there's there's just such a fractured, mixed message here. That's
what I'm still trying to figure this out. But I
do think, as I talked to a source last night,
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he just not viewed as his starting quarterback. A franchise
quarterback was the word. But that's why he drifted because
he's a backup quarterback and some people's eyes and I think,
you know Cleveland, going back in to get him. That
felt like that was an owner doing Dianna solid there
and his son. It really felt that way, whether that's
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true or not. And I think Cleveland was the right
place for him, I really do. I think Shador Sanders
will eventually be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Now.
I don't know if he's great, but I still think
that situation. And they owe forty six million dollars to
Deshaun Watson this year and next year. Congratulations. All right,
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let me take a break getting long winded here. Let's
see whole question. Have that for you coming up?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yes, Bom, I just keep thinking about the Browns watching
Baker Mayfield throw for forty touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, all right, we'll take a break. We're back after this.
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we pondering for hour two?
Speaker 9 (18:10):
We've been taking many suggestions on if the heat didn't
quit last night, what exactly did they do right now?
My favorite is coming from a fella here who said
they strategically lacked effort.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Okay, that would be tanking. Yeah, Utah, Jazz did that
this year. Strategically lacked effort, Yes they did. But the
Cabs blew out the Heat by fifty five points. So
that's the fourth largest margin of victory in a playoff
game in NBA history. They also outscored the Heat by
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Official Trading Cards to the Dan Patrick Show. Now, I
didn't expect this kind of blowout, but I did expect
Cleveland to not have any issues with the Miami Heat.
You know, keep in mind, Miami was a playing team.
They had thirty seven wins. Cleveland had sixty four wins.
Cleveland's a really good team. Everybody's waiting to see how
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they're going to do in the playoffs. This next match
up here against Indiana. Now, people are going to have
some trepidation there before they I mean, they're doing that
with ok see, right now, we've seen it with the Celtics.
Now we're waiting to see Cavaliers on that level. Okay,
see on that level. I think that's what everybody's sort
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of waiting for here in the postseason, Bucks and the
Pacers coming up tonight, Pistons, Nicks, Magic, Celtics, Clippers, and
the Nuggets. Here was something that kind of got lost
a little bit, I think with the post draft coverage.
And I don't know if you're aware of this, but
you should be. Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred said he discussed
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Pete Rose with President Trump at a meeting two weeks ago.
The commissioner plans to rule on a request to end
the sports permanent ban of Pete Rose, who died in September.
Speaking yesterday to the Associated Press, the commissioner said he
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and the President discussed several issues, including concerns over how
immigration policies could impact players from Cuba, Venezuela and other
foreign countries. The Commissioner is considering a petition to have
Rose posthumously removed from Baseball's permanently ineligible list. The petition
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was filed in January, and we have talked about this
many many times, and I wondered what did he get in?
And I was saying all along that if he got in,
it would be posthumously, that the commissioner was not going
to let Pete Rose go up there and give a speech.
If anybody was going to do it, it'd be somebody
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in Pete's family after Pete had died. But this just
gets him back on the ballot. If they want to
do that, fine, Because people look at it as a
lifetime ban. This is a permanent ban. So his lifetime
it's over, but he's still banned. That's why the permanent
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part of this is the key part of this. If
this was a lifetime ban, well, his life is ended.
Now if you want to vote on this, you want
to put him on the ballot. But the president's involved
in this, and don't underestimate that because the number of
people who would love to have Pete in the Hall
of Fame as oppose those to those who would oppose this,
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I would say would be a pretty wide margin those
in favor of Pete Rose. And I know we're you know,
we're shoulder deep and gambling here and now moving forward,
do we take away the permanent label that word? Because
if I'm the nineteen nineteen White Sox or shoeless Joe Jackson.
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All of a sudden, I go, well, hold on, hold
on here. If you're a relative of shoeless Joe Jackson,
do you say, well, wait a minute here. You know
we had a permanent van you know, should it be
a lifetime ban? Our life is over. Can somebody kind
of pick up the baton here and get them into
the Baseball Hall of Fame that's going on right now?
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And could I see a scenario where the commissioner puts
Pete or allows Pete to be eligible eligible for the ballot? Now,
does he have a better ants? Like the veterans committing,
are they going to look favorably to Pete all the
years that he hijacked Cooper's town. I'd like to know,
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you know, I'd like to get a consensus of how
that's going to go with the veterans committing, because there
are a lot of players who were not in Pete's corner.
Because Pete never showed any contrition. He never really apologized.
But that's what made Pete great, you know, Lance Armstrong,
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he never apologized, Bonds never apologized, Clemens never, But like
that's what made them great. They needed to have that.
You know, I didn't do anything wrong. You did. And Pete,
look when he came on my radio show years ago
and said that he bet on the Reds to win
every game, and then people go, hey, well that's what
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you want. Well, you can still manipulate the lineup. I mean, no,
you can't bet on your team. But people, I think
thought that, well, at least he's not betting against his
team that we know of. Do you think Pete would
actually say, you know, I bet against my team a
few times because you want to win your bets. You
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don't care. And what I think Pete would put himself
in a position like that, Yes, I would, because he
was not a good gambler. But I think that this
is probably headed towards Pete being eligible for the ballot.
I do. I think that's where we're headed, because when
you meet with the president, the president wants this to happen.
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The president gets to take a victory lap, but he's
also saying to the commissioner, hey, I can affect some
of these other things that you're dealing with. You help
me here, Oh, I help you here. And I truly
think that's what's going to happen. I think this commissioner
will put him on the ballot and then he can
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wipe his hands clean of this. He can say, all right,
you know, I listened to the President. We put him
on the ballot, and I'm going to let the Veterans
Committee decide. Now, would he be on the regular ballot
or would he be on the Veterans Committee? Since he
hasn't been on the regular baseball ballot, I would think
you would. You should go through that process with Pete
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before you get to the Veterans Committee. Does it say
anything about that, PAULI.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
We're checking back in nineteen ninety one, the Hall of
Fame's Board of directors said anyone on the permanently ineligible
list cannot be considered for the Hall. So that's why
he was never on the ballot. We're checking what ballot
he would be on.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Because if you just say we're going to change it
to a lifetime ban, okay, you know the semantics of that,
because a permanent ban, it doesn't matter. Hey, you died
and you're posthumously going to be on the ballot. That
can't happen.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
If Rose is reinstated, it doesn't mean he would be
automatically on the Hall of Fame ballot. He would first
have to be nominated by the Hall's Historical Overview Committee,
which is a Baseball Writers Association. It's a small group,
and then he would end up on the ballot. So
he has to be voted to be on the ballot.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
To be on the ballot, Yeah, I would just keep
an eye out because I think that's what's going to happen.
I think this commissioner is probably going to decide to go,
all right, let's just be done with this. Yeah, pulling
and the commission can really be done for it.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
If he reinstates Rose and then he doesn't make the ballot,
it's not his decision to not vote him. It be
a separate committee. He would have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
We'll get phone calls. Albert Breer Monday Morning Quarterback had
a lot of things interesting things about Shudor Sanders, just
to recap kind of what we talked about first hour.
I just wonder if Shudoor Sanders, Deon Sanders had that
guy in the room in their inner circle, who was
the guy who would tell you what you didn't want
to hear, didn't have an agent, and sometimes that agent's
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job is to protect you from you. I remember I
thought that I was ready for a job, and my
agent at the time said, look, I'm gonna be honest
with you. I don't know if you're ready for this.
And you know, your first thought is I should get
another agent, like I need to have somebody tell me
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what I want to hear. But he was telling me
the truth, and you know, while it humbles you and
you're like, damn, Okay, I had somebody who was honest
with me. I don't know if Shador had that. If
your dad is your biggest cheerleader and talking to these teams,
maybe guiding these teams to your son or away from
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your son, are you getting that honest truth of You
didn't interview well. You don't come off as a great
team player. You seem like you have other interests. You
were distracted. It felt like maybe you wanted the teams
to try to tell you why they wanted you instead
of why you wanted to play for them. You need
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to hear that. And I think would that have helped him, Well,
it can help him moving forward, but it could have
helped him to at least understand what was going on
in the draft, because, as we pointed out last hour,
you don't get many second round quarterbacks because teams will
use a quarterback in the first round, but second round,
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now you've got to do team needs. If I didn't
draft you in the first round, I'm probably not going
to take you until the fourth round, fifth round. The
difference is that's a franchise quarterback. That's a backup quarterback.
And I believe since my source said I didn't have
a first round grade for him, that meant that maybe
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teams viewed him as a backup, or maybe teams didn't
even think he was going to be there, or for
whatever reason. If it's true that owners told their staff
to take him off their draft board for whatever, Like
what happened that all of a sudden, you're telling your
scouting team take him off our draft board? Are you
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following along with everybody else? Like did you hear the story?
Did you hear the story? Do you know what he did?
Speaker 9 (29:14):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
But we'll talk to Albert Breer about that. Coming on,
Jake and san Diego leads us off this hour. Hi, Jake,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 10 (29:24):
Hey? First time, long time. My five day old son
is seven pounds and three ounces. Just two questions wondering,
one if you had any advice for me for what
to do with this little thing. And secondly, if Aaron
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never doesn't sign with the Steelers, if Jordan loves God
forbid something happens to him that he would sign with
the Packers in the milt of season, Oh.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
My god, I don't want to play the if somebody
gets hurt hypothetical around the league. Now, I did mention
if Matthew Stafford, let's say, would get banged up, would
you bring him in, Like there's certain situations where maybe
that would happen, But I don't see that happening where
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Green Bay goes. Do we want to go back into this?
And I would say no, But it does feel like
the Steelers, given what's happened or what happened in the draft,
that they're going, you know, hey, we'll take the kid
out of Ohio State. But that's kind of a yeah,
you know, who knows. Which I do like the draft pick.
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I mean, he did win a national championship, played for
two different schools. I think he's athletic. I think he
grew up a Steeler fan and you know, probably thrilled
to come in there and maybe he gets a chance.
I think that's a really good pick. And here's the
other thing. I already know what Mason Rudolph can do,
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Like I already know if I'm the Steel Like, Okay,
we got him, and yeah he's our quarterback. Maybe not,
he's a backup, but you know, you want to bring
in Will Howard. I think it's a good pick. Not
viewed as his starter, maybe he can be a starter.
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And I think you know, given what they have, you
already know what your backup quarterbacks are all about. You're
hoping for Rogers and then maybe swing for the fences
and you get a quarterback who can come in and
maybe in two years he's playing.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Yes, Mark, And I think brock Purty succeeding has given
a lot of these late round draft picks hope and
now they can say, hey, I can beat brock Purty
instead of the other really famous late round quarterback, which
is Tom Brady. And you don't want to have that
type of expectations. You know what, I could breed brock
Purty if I get the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yes, Todd, from a fan.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Standpoint in Pittsburgh, if Aaron Rodgers does eventually become a Steeler.
It's all forgiven, and they're all immediately all in and
we love Aaron Rodgers. Or because this took a long
you think there's going to be bitterness.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Well, I don't know if they have any other choice
but to bring him in. I mean, you got to
back him. I don't know if there's anything else you
can do. I mean, Mason Rudolph is not the answer,
and they can pretend that he is, but he's not.
You could have taken other quarterbacks in the draft. I
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just think they're getting Aaron Rodgers and praying that he
stays healthy. But we thought that that would happen after
the draft, because I said, at least what I was
told is Aaron's not going to sign before the draft.
He wants to make sure. He wants to see what
the Steelers do. Whether this is true or not, this
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is what I was told. Are they going to take
a quarterback a little bit higher? Would they use a
first round draft pick? Because we thought maybe Jackson Dart
was going to go to the Steelers, maybe shoudor Sanders
would go there. I don't know if that would have
had an impact on Aaron Rodgers, but I think that
you have to factor that in. If I'm Rogers, I'm like,
I don't have to hurry. You know, I can meet
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with the Steelers, I can talk to the Steelers, and
I just want to And he's probably just going to
survey the landscape here if somebody happens to get injured
in training camp. He wants to win another Super Bowl?
Are you going to do that in Pittsburgh? And I
think that's why he wanted Minnesota, because Minnesota is closer
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to winning a Super Bowl than Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, pulling, and the Steelers spent most of their draft
on the defense, Yes, running back quarterback than all defense,
and DK Metcalf in the offseason, they're poised to plug
in somebody.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
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Speaker 2 (33:50):
Albert Breer, frequent contributor to the program, the Monday Morning Quarterback,
who joins us on the program. Let's start with the
second pick in the draft. Let me do what everybody
else has done and not really focus on cam Ward
going number one overall built bad Ford. It's like, oh yeah,
that's great. Okay, now let's get to the interesting stuff.
Grade the Cleveland Jacksonville trade swapping two to five.
Speaker 11 (34:16):
So I would actually give Cleveland an a to be
able to get what they got, and we'll see what
becomes of I think the two guys they got form
more Mason Graham and quin Shawn Judkins.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
We'll see what becomes the players they got from.
Speaker 11 (34:28):
But you know, I think that they were really in
a position where they had to reset their roster a little,
and they're starting to feel the effects now of all
those first round picks going out the window for Deshaun Watson,
where they're aging in certain spots. They're aging a little
bit on their offensive line, they've aged on their defensive line,
they've aged a bit in their secondary, they aged it
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running back, and so, like I like, they had to
find a way to reset their roster a little, and
this effectively does it.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Now, you know, walking away from you know.
Speaker 11 (35:01):
One of the two true blue chip players in this draft,
I'm sure wasn't easy, you know, but they wind up
with Mason Graham and Judkins and they'll have it for
another first round pick next year, and depending on how
good Jacksonville is, that could wind up being a high
first round draft pick.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
We'll see.
Speaker 11 (35:17):
So I just think, you know, if you want to
talk about the logic behind it, it's pretty easy easy
to see what the Browns logic was. I would give
the I give the Jaguars a B plus. And here's
why I love Travis Hunter as a player. I think
on the high end, you're gonna get a truly unique,
like just a unicorn, you know, like, and I know
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that's a little redundant, right, a unique unicorn, but like,
you're getting one of these guys that, like, there's never
really been one of these before.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
If he hits.
Speaker 11 (35:47):
On all cylinders, but even if he doesn't, you're gonna
have a lot of cracks at getting it right because
there's so many different things that you can do with him.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
So I love that for them.
Speaker 11 (35:56):
My question is are they in that position yet where
they should be taking this sort of swing. In other words,
like Liam Cohen, James Gladstone came from the Rams where
they were known for taking these sorts of swings. But
when they took these sort of swings, they were on
veteran players and it was a team, and it was
with a team.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
That was in position to win right now.
Speaker 11 (36:16):
And so the question is, do the Jaguars now think
they're closer than maybe the general public does to truly
competing to maybe knocking off the Texans in the AFC
South to being a contender And you know, obviously a
lot of that's going to come down to what Liam
Cohen gets out of Trevor Lawrence, but maybe they think that.
You know, so if you're Jacksonville and you think you're
closer than the general public does, then this move makes
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a ton of sense because you know, Travis Hunter might
be a player that can put you over the top.
And then you know, maybe that pick next year is
in the twenties rather than being in the top ten.
So so we'll see on that.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
When did you realize that Shador was falling.
Speaker 11 (36:54):
February? I know that sounds crazy. February, Like, I don't know.
I was like everybody else in December and January thinking okay,
is it going to be Camra Shador?
Speaker 6 (37:06):
You know, being the first quarterback off the board.
Speaker 11 (37:08):
The more people I talked to when I started to
do my research on the draft class, which really I
try to do it all year, but it really kind
of gets going once the season ends. The more people
I talked to said this, he's just not a first
round talent. Now, people would have said the same thing
about Bonnix the year before.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
And I think I said this to you guys.
Speaker 11 (37:27):
I said this a bunch of different places, Like I
would say he could go third to thirty third.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
And the reason I said that because I didn't think
he was going in the first round, you know, And.
Speaker 11 (37:37):
You know, really what I meant by that was like,
maybe he finds the fit the way that bow Nicks did.
And no one's going to argue with where Bonnicks went
now because the rookie year he had and there was
a team that fit him perfectly. He found that team,
they found him and you know now they live happily
ever after. But absent finding that team, he wasn't a
good enough physical prospect to go in the first round.
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He wasn't what you normally see in a first round quarterback.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
And a lot of people were just.
Speaker 11 (38:05):
Whistling by the graveyard on that, but it was what
it was all along. And now here's the other part
of it, Dan is if he's not a first round
pick and he's got to go find his fit, does
it make any sense for him to be thinning the herd.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
It was effectively, is what they were.
Speaker 11 (38:20):
Doing, you know, over the last couple of months, the
way they were handling some of their meetings, and so,
you know, I think that that was a mistake. I
think another piece of it is, you know, how you
view your backup and what you expect from your backup,
and how most coaches want their backup to blend in
with the furniture.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
And you know, most coaches.
Speaker 11 (38:37):
Would say, you know, you, you know, you put two
quarterbacks in front of him. One's a celebrity, one's an
anonymous player, and you say it's going to be a
second or third quarterback in your roster.
Speaker 6 (38:46):
Most coaches will say, give me the anonymous guy.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
You know.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
It's just the way it is.
Speaker 11 (38:50):
So I think there were a number of factors on
why he fell, But I'd say first round, second round
about talent and performance, and then after that it's about
everything else.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, And that's what I brought up because my source
said that he didn't have a first round grade. Yeah,
and there aren't a lot of quarterbacks who were taken
in the second round because you're either first round worthy
or you're backup worthy and that's where you get into
the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round. And I think
that's what happened with Shador is he wasn't Jackson Darter
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cam Ward, but he wasn't going to be Jalen Hurds
kind of lingering there in the second round. He was
going to be viewed as a guy who was probably
going to be a backup quarterback. But did the media
get duped here? Because if you consider mel Kiper, you know,
is still shouting from the mountaintops. There are a lot
of people who had Shador in the first round, and
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that that became a story because now everybody shocked that
he dropped as far as he did. But it almost
felt like the media in general was eating what Dion
was serving.
Speaker 11 (39:55):
Yeah, and it was good for business too, right, Yeah,
Like Chador is a fifth round isn't. I mean he's
you know, at that point, he's case Keenum, which is
a highly productive, good college quarterback who's not going to
be a high draft pick, you know. So, I mean
I would say this is sort of a symbiotic thing,
you know, where you know, Shador's camp probably felt like
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it was good for him to be presented as if
he was going to be a top five, top ten
pick and like that that was a lock. Like they
felt like that was good for them. Now it wound
up being bad for them, you know, because I think
it affected a lot of other things. But that was
also good for business in the media, wouldn't you say, Dan, No,
I mean, well, didn't have the draft didn't have a
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lot of sex appeal, right like this, let's call it
what it is. Like this was a draft that was
heavy on lineman, that didn't have very many blue chip guys.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
Travis Hunter is really interesting. But like are is abdul
Carter as good as he is?
Speaker 11 (40:50):
Is he's right driving ratings, No, the fourth picks and
offensive tackle, the you know, the the fifth picks of
defensive tackle. The seventh pick is an offensive tackle with
nine pix and offensive tackle. Like something's got to drive
the boat here, you know. And I think it was.
I had part of it is it's good for business for.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
All of us. I mean, I'm I'm not exam from
it either.
Speaker 11 (41:10):
I heard a lot about your door, and I talked
a lot about your door, and I went on TV
a lot about your door over the last two months.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
It was good for business that.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Way talking to Albert Brier the Monday Morning Quarterback helped
me understand the Steelers quarterback room right now.
Speaker 11 (41:25):
Yeah, so I think it's a pretty good tell that
they feel good about where they.
Speaker 6 (41:30):
Stand with Aaron Rodgers right now.
Speaker 11 (41:32):
And I think Kirk Cousins would loom as as sort
of a fallback option if Aaron Rodgers if that doesn't
play out the way that it does. But I think
we should listen to what Aaron said too, which is
I've got some personal things that I'm trying to work out.
And you wish he had said that at the beginning
because it probably would have, you know, saved a lot
of the noise from getting out there over the last
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couple of months.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
But he did say it, and I think.
Speaker 11 (41:54):
We can all respect it in all respect. Like whatever
he's going through in his personal life, and you know,
I think in that case, like you know, he's going
through that in his personal life, well maybe it would
make sense then that he would be waiting on signing
with a team, because you know, the minute he signs
with the Steelers, if he signs with the Steelers three
weeks ago and says, okay, I'm going to handle his
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personal matter, and then I'm going to show up. Well,
what does the narrative then become, Well, he's not here
for the off season program OTAs are starting, is not
here for that? The veteran mini camps are going to
be a circus because of that. I mean it, I
could see where, you know, if he like again, taking
it at face value, he's handling a personal matter here,
I can see where it probably makes the most sense
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for everybody to take a step back a little bit
and say, like, it just doesn't make sense for us
to sign you right now because it's going to turn
the volume up on everybody and we don't need that
right now.
Speaker 6 (42:47):
You don't need it, We don't need it. Let's just
let sleeping dogs lie.
Speaker 11 (42:51):
And then, you know, I think as far as the
Kirk Cousins thing goes, I mean where we are right
now with that, Like the Cleveland Browns, which are the
most logical soooter, they have a full quarterback room right now.
The Vikings just traded for Sam Howe, and I think
under certain circumstances the Vikings would have considered bringing Kirk
back as a backup, and so like the Steelers can
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kind of sit here and say Okay, Like, well, you know,
if something goes wrong in the Aaron Rodgers situation, we
could still revisit Kirk Cousins. So they've got a couple
options out there for themselves. And you know, then, I know,
you know, like I don't see him going into the
season with Mason Rudolph as a starter, but at least
they've got a guy that've got experience with there.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
What do you do if you're the NFL to the
Atlanta Falcons when the phone numbers got out and your
defensive coordinator son is videotaping him and his friends calling
these these gaps.
Speaker 11 (43:48):
I mean, I don't know, you know, in some ways,
I like, I think we all did We all did
stupid stuff when we were that age.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
So I hate to kill the kid, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 11 (44:00):
Like I probably would have thought it was hilarious when
I was twenty years old too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Like, so like I have.
Speaker 11 (44:06):
Sympathy for Shador in this situation. I also, you know,
like I also see this as like this isn't a
capital crime. Now, there is a security issue, you know,
So that's something the NFL has to clean up. How
these things get out. There's a million different ways that
can happen. That it was a burner phone, I think
obviously points to okay, like, well, if he only had
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this phone over the week leading up to the draft,
then it had.
Speaker 6 (44:29):
To come from somewhere.
Speaker 11 (44:31):
And you know, I think this is if it did
come from an NFL email, then the league office has
to look inward too and how they're distributing those things,
and are they being a little careless about distributing them?
You know, I think we have to be open to
the idea that's an honest mistake. If you leave a
tablet open, and which is what they said I think
right was an iPad. If you'll leave a tablet open
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and your kid walks by it, I mean, you know, again,
is that a capital crime? It's sloppy, but like it's
not a capital crime, you know, So it's a it's
a it's a it's a it's a weird story. It's
a weird thing. But you know, I like, I look,
there's just a huge part of me that looks at
this and says, like, let's just all move on.
Speaker 6 (45:12):
This is so stupid. It doesn't I mean, is in
stable condition right now?
Speaker 11 (45:18):
I would say, right after after after what happened on
that phone call.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
The Niners paid George Kittle. Yeah, I didn't know if
maybe they were going to do it in reverse order
and pay Rock Party and then you pay George Kittle.
But what do you make of the Niners making George
Kittle the highest paid tight end?
Speaker 11 (45:38):
Well, I think it's like sort of an acknowledgment of
who he is as a player and what he's done
for the organization and as a guy who's going to
turn thirty two years old in October. You know, we
still trust you. You know, we still trust that you're
going to do everything you need to do because it's
going to get harder as you get older to get
yourself ready to be one of the best tight ends
in football. Now, on paper, you know what this really
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is is it's a bump, and it's you're gonna be
on the team in twenty twenty six. Like he knows
he's gonna be on the team this year, this essentially
assures that he's gonna be on the team in twenty
twenty six, so he gets a nice pay raise. You're
gonna be on the team the next two years and
then after that we'll see. It's trumpeted as a four
year extension. It does not mean he's going to be
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on the team when he's thirty eight years old. So,
you know, I think, as much as anything else, this
is sort of the gold Watch deal, you know what
I mean, Like, this is the deal where you say,
we love you.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
You're gonna be a part of our organization forever. You've
got a legacy here. We're going to reward you one
last time.
Speaker 11 (46:37):
We're gonna give you the security of knowing you're gonna
be here for the next two years and we'll see
after that.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
The Bill Belichick book, where Robert Kraft is not even
in the acknowledgments. What do you make of that exchange
that he had with the Sunday Morning the CBS Morning Show.
Speaker 11 (46:58):
Well, I mean, was it Georgia Tech against Cumberland and
the was that the two hundred and twenty two or
nothing game?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Right?
Speaker 11 (47:05):
Yeah, Like I would say that would be sort of
the same matchup as CBS News against the people who
are running Belichick's interview.
Speaker 6 (47:14):
There that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Well, okay, wait a minute. Now, his girlfriend's job, I
would think, is to troubleshoot. She heads up his pr Yeah,
you have to have. Let's go through the potential questions.
You're going to get Bill, right, I'm going to ask
you the questions, and then we are going to cobble
together and answer yeah, Bill. Bill seems shocked, and then
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he also when the you know, they followed up by
asking you know.
Speaker 11 (47:45):
And if it is true, if it is true that
the reason that's got out and the reason they shot
that they shot her off camera is because it was
non stop interrupting and there was a real problem for them.
Speaker 6 (47:56):
Well, that's not the way like a professional in that
situation acts.
Speaker 11 (47:59):
Like if you have like a publicist or a PR
person who's handling that for you. I mean, you know
this as well as I do. Dan, You've sat down
in these sorts of interviews before. I mean, they're very
they're usually very professional. And if there is a PR
person or a publicist there for the person who is
being interviewed, that person's not interrupting. That person has an
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idea of everything that's going on with everybody there, in
a lot of cases has a relationship with the network,
you know what I mean, Like, so they're working through
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
But Bim should have been prepared for that question. That's aye.
Speaker 6 (48:34):
Yeah, And that part of it.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Is even him getting fired Albert, he didn't even have
an answer for that because they let him go and
he goes, I'm mutual.
Speaker 11 (48:44):
Mutual, Yeah, yeah, but that part of it, I'm not
sure he would have answered that differently, Like I that
felt did that not feel to you like a little
bit of knife twisting, like you know with with with Craft,
Like it just felt to me like I know what
he doesn't want to hear here, so.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
I'm gonna I'm gonna twist the knife. That's what it
felt like to me.
Speaker 11 (49:05):
I mean, And we know the guy knows how to
hold a grudge, right, I mean, so I like I
it it felt to me like just watching it and
knowing and knowing Bill and having you know, been around
professionally around Bill for the last twenty years, like like
he generally doesn't say a lot of things by mistake,
and that correct answer was like basically like yeah, I
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did it, and I meant to do it, and I
did it for a reason.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
She just has to be better. If you're gonna if
you're gonna be his sounding board, you have to say
to him, they're gonna ask you these questions, right, you know,
you're preparing for a deposition.
Speaker 6 (49:46):
Well and if I'm if I'm in the room, they're
gonna ask about me.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Right, Well, I'm sure, but you know, I she could
have been hands off from the standpoint of this is
a book about Bill in winning. This has nothing to
do with her, their relationship or North Carolina. Right, But
now what I still ask because she's interrupting. I probably
would have said, why don't you come over here and
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sit down with us because you're disrupting the interview. Either
be in the interview or get out of the room.
Speaker 6 (50:18):
Right.
Speaker 11 (50:19):
It Also it also sort of makes Bill look weak,
doesn't it, Like I just I mean it does like
like we can call it what it is, Like if
you're talking about like making him look good, that wasn't
happening either, you know, like let him answer the question.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
He's the most prepared coach we've ever had.
Speaker 6 (50:36):
And you don't know and like you don't think he
knew that could be asked. Of course he.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Did, of course he did.
Speaker 11 (50:43):
I mean, like if he's putting, if he's parking her
ten feet from the camera, like then he has to know,
Like they could ask about that, and maybe they will.
Maybe they won't, but they could ask about that so.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Absurd that we're actually talking about this. If I would
have said to you, hey, three years ago, Hey, you
know what's gonna happen with Bill. He's gonna meet this
girl on a plane and uh, he's not gonna get
back in the NFL. He's gonna leave the Patriots and
he's gonna coach at North Carolina and we're gonna talk
about how she's running for his life.
Speaker 11 (51:19):
Will you look at so interesting those pictures on the
on the beach where they're posing like we had that,
we had that, We had that thing like Brady Kraft
Belichick for all those years and everything else. And who's
I mean, like, who's the one that's like winning that? Yeah,
I guess that's another Georgia Tech versus Cumberland.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Right.
Speaker 11 (51:37):
Like it's like, is Brady is now a part owner
of the Raiders? Was was you know, just part of
hiring a head coach and a general manager?
Speaker 6 (51:45):
And uh, you know the other two guys are sort
of engaged in this.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
It's just it is crazy.
Speaker 6 (51:51):
It feels to me like the theater of the absurd.
Speaker 11 (51:54):
I mean, it's just like if we can all be
again like if we can all be honest about this.
Speaker 6 (51:59):
It's like, there's no way, there's no way.
Speaker 11 (52:03):
Five years ago if you had told me that this
is where we would be, you know, and five years
ago is when Brady walked.
Speaker 6 (52:09):
Out the door.
Speaker 11 (52:10):
If you had told me like this would be there,
that this would where where we would be left five
years later, I would have I would have said, that
sounds like a that sounds like a Saturday Night Live skit.
Speaker 6 (52:21):
I mean, it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Good to chat with you. We'll talk to you in
the off season. Thank you again. Albert all right, thanks Dan.
That's Albert Breer. He is the Monday Morning quarterback.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
You got basketball coming up tonight, Bucks and the Pacers, Pistons, Knicks, Magic, Celtics,
Clippers and the Nuggets. I would say there was basketball
last night, but maybe a reasonable fact simile Cavaliers blowout
the Miami Heat. Well, so much for Heat culture. This
is one of the biggest block you know, even by
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saying it's a blowout, that's downgrading this. The Cavaliers beat
the Heat one thirty eight to eighty three. They completed
a first round sweep. The fifty five point win, fourth
largest margin of victory in a playoff game in NBA history.
Cleveland also outscored the Heat by a combined one and
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twenty two points. That's the largest point differential in a
playoff series in NBA history. How about a round of
applause for the Miami Heat.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
We need a word that's bigger than blowout.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I don't know if you can say those words on radio,
but at some point you have to go, we're not
going to win this, We probably can't even make it respectable.
But when I saw that it was forty three to seventeen,
I go, okay, I'm going to guess the Cavaliers are
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probably going to move on. Just a guess, but I
think they're going to be able to move on from
the Miami Heat and Heat culture. The Miami Heater is
sort of like the Saint Louis Cardinals. They're always there,
feels like they're always competitive. They'll like dip in and
be in a World Series or win one, but they're
always playoff worthy, playoff caliber. And then all of a sudden,
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Jimmy Butler wants out and now it's Tyler hero bam
Adebayo's team and they went south quickly. But let's not
lose sight of the Cleveland Cavaliers. They got the defensive
player of the Year and they got the coach of
the year. They've been a great surprise that they took
that next step, just like Oksee did that. That's what
you want to see with these teams are going to
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compete for a title. What do you do the following
year when everybody expects you to be great? Oka See
had the best record in basketball. Look at what the
Cavaliers were able to do in the shadow of the
Boston Celtics. But last night, I know we'll focus on
the heat that was embarrassing. But what the Cabs have
done throughout the series, they did what they were supposed
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to do. Yes, tod When it's seventy two.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
To thirty three at halftime and you're in the locker room,
is it okay to take a peek at the travel
agent or to kind of figure out where you might
want to go with the family on vacation. You know,
it's sposter to catch you doing that, but maybe in
for a second you're in the corner. They're just kind
of looking at the travelosity.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Other The Miami Heat have made the playoffs twenty six
times in the last thirty two seasons. It's a given.
But all of a sudden you're looking at the Miami
Heat differently. That used to be a destination. Remember, players
would always talk about they wanted to go Miami. Dame
Lillard wanted to go to Miami. You know a lot
of these players are like, yeah, that's where I want
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to go, And I don't know if that's going to
be the case moving forward here Heat culture. Yes, yes, Marvin, but.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
The thing is they're still in Miami.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They are they are You can visit, you don't have
to go there.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Kind of like Atlanta. NBA players love visiting Atlanta, Yeah,
just living there.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, well they might love living there.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
And it's not playing there.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yes, Pauling, You're right.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
There was a time where both lifestyle and team, the
Heat were like a one seed for free agents.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, but they got roughed up. And now the Cleveland
Cavaliers will move on. Cleveland has Boston next, No, no,
Cleveland has Well, we don't know what's going to happen
in the rest of the East here. So Magic and
the Celtics and the Pistons and the Knicks. So they
would get the Pacers. The Calves would get the Pacers
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and the Knicks and the Celtics. So that's good, that'll
be fun. I'm telling you the Pacers they can score.
They're dangerous.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I know they're going against the Milwaukee team that's banged up,
but don't sleep on the Pacers, you know, beating Cleveland.
I watch enough of them to know that they are.
They probably love the fact that nobody talks about them
at all. Rick Carlisle probably loves that. It's like, all right,
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don't let them, we don't need it. No headlines here,
nothing to see here. You know, you want to Hey,
Caitlin Clark's in Indianapolis. You know, come and see Caitlin Clark.
Don't worry about us pistons in the Knicks. Let's see
what else do we have. Here's the forty nine Ers
extended George Kittle and that just happened. So now he
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is the highest paid tight end in the game. Well,
I don't think you're bringing back George Kittle if you're
not going to bring back or paid Rock Purty that
kind of money. Now, of course they're bringing back Brock Purty.
The question is how much are they going to spend Now.
I would have thought you would have you was signed
Brock Purty and then George Kittle, But they've gone the
other way around here with George, you know, because now
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they can say to Brock, well, we gave George and
you know a lot of this money, like, we don't
have that much leftover. Would you play for forty seven
million dollars a year? And I still go back to
what I said about rock Perty. If he was drafted
where Mac Jones was, I don't think anybody would have
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a problem with paying him fifty million dollars. It's just
in our mind we're going it was mister irrelevant. Even
if he's like taking the round before that final round,
we might look at him a little bit differently. But
the fact that you're mister irrelevant, well, how good could
he be? And George Kittle, I think it was a
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fifth round draft pick. You know, you get these guys
and that leads us to Shadoor Sanders, because yes, everybody
still has some kind of angle on this. There's a
crusade here for Shadoor Sanders. You know, this should not
be lumped in with Colin Kaepernick, completely different, but you're
getting analysts or host who are saying, oh, you know,
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Kaepernick was blackballed. I don't think Shudoor Sanders was, although
boomeris sis and did say on his radio show that
owners were told to take him off their draft boards,
told their people to take him off their draft boards. Okay,
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I don't think that's collusion, but you know, it feels
like people are trying to make this more than maybe
you just had somebody who was not as good as
we thought. Maybe you had those doing mock drafts who
didn't do a good job on this. They basically whipped
on it, and they took Dion's word that his son
was great, and Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterback is
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going to join us coming up, and you know, he
had some interesting things to say, and he said, you know,
let's just have an honest conversation about Shador Sanders and
he said it starts with the team's evaluations of Dion's
son Shador as a player. Tuesday, before the draft, Albert
Breer in the Monday Morning Quarterback said that it wasn't
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easy to find coaches or scouts who viewed the Colorado
quarterback as a first round talent. He's not a great athlete,
he didn't show great arm talent, bad habits of taking
unnecessary sacks, bailing out of the back of the pocket,
had trouble playing on time in general, did things off schedule,
and they weren't going to translate to the NFL. Also,
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he did not take blame when asked about interceptions when
he was interviewed by some team. Okay, but did we
think he was going to drop to the fifth If
we knew all of this, then why were we still
banging the drum that he should be a top ten pick,
fifteen pick, first round pick Steelers at twenty one.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It was right there in front of us, wasn't It's
the same thing with Johnny Manziel. Johnny Manziel, everything that
was going on with him was right in front of us.
It felt like we didn't want to ruin the story,
like the story was great Johnny Manziel. And then if
you realize guy didn't love football. I think he was
great at football. He cared about being a star. I
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didn't put in the time stuff that went on at
Texas A and m Thank god he had Mike Evans
as his wide receiver, you know, so it was right there.
We sometimes have wishful reporting, and I don't know if
people wished that Shadoor Sanders was going in the first round,
but we certainly liked the prospect of could he go
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to the Steelers, what's Dion's relationship with Mike Tom what
about the Rams? Would the Rams go up and get him?
Are the Giants going to go back into the first
you know? So we created all these scenarios, and really
I think Shador Sanders needed somebody who was going to
be honest with him. I think his son, or being
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the son of Dion, you know, there is entitlement there.
I think you're it's your team. You're able to do
what you want. You're the quarterback. But are you as
good as you think you are? Like you can tell
us and your dad can tell us. I just think
that they probably needed somebody in their camp to say,
I'm gonna be honest with you here, because you have
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a lot of yes men. If you're around celebrities, you're
around actors, musicians, there's a lot of people who tell
you what you want to hear. But you want to
hear what is going to make you better, what is
going to keep you grounded. He doesn't have an agent,
and that agent might have been honest with Shador and
just said, man, I don't want to be a buzzkill,
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but I'm not hearing good things about this or this
or this. Hey, we got to be ready for this.
Like that's what an agent does. I'm sure there are
advisers there, but Dion. When Dion was with us at
the Super Bowl, it certainly felt like he was the
battering ram. He was, he was the trojan horse he was.
He was going in and he was going to tell
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teams don't draft. My son talked about the Cleveland Browns
not wanting his son to go there. But I think
if somebody would have been or should have been honest,
then maybe he wouldn't have suffered a painful lesson. Now
he would have gotten humbled, but he would at least
been prepared. And then that's when you take the initiative.
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That's where you go, Hey, I got things that I'm
working on, and we'll continue to work on. And I
realize I'm not a finished product. I'm ready to go.
Whatever Cleveland wants me to do, I'll do. I want
to be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. I
get least if you push it forward and not be
defensive or blame it on you know, scouts or people
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who didn't like Dion, whatever somebody's initiative is. I think
just being honest, that's sometimes what you want to There
are times I don't want to hear things, but I'll
hear things that I know that you know, PAULI will say, Hey,
don't want to be a buzzkill, but and then it'll
tell me something like, all right, I got to eat that.
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This is what shador I think needed because the truth
is the best advice of all in a situation like this,
and you get caught up in this. You're like being told,
you know a lot of sycophans out there, they're going
to tell you what you want to hear. Man, you're great, man,
you get those giants. Cleats Man, You're going to the giants.
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You know, you and Malik Neighbors, You're going to be
It's you, man. I mean, that's why you have guys
who watch Entourage. You know, when you see Entourage, they're
telling Benny Chase whatever he wants to hear. That's what
this is, Dion, And maybe maybe he had tough love
for him and told him, Hey, you got to stop
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doing this. Hey, you got to be in the moment. Hey,
you have to listen to these people. Hey, you got
to be prepared. I mean, I would think Dion would
do that, But it certainly didn't feel like Shador Sanders
went into those interviews trying to impress you. It's almost
as if he came into those interviews to say, all right,
you need to impress me. What do you got? And
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it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, Paul, it does feel a bit like a confluence
of things. The first athletes of the NIL era, who
were making millions in college come in differently, with a
different tone, driving whatever cars are driving. And maybe they
don't play the game like they used to. But it
seems like a couple things happened the past twenty four hours.
I don't know who said it the other day, but
some teams never even looked at Shador Sanders because they
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didn't expect him to fall. So that takes a bunch
of teams out that might have drafted him. Then Boomer
size and said a few owners told their people don't
take them under under circumstances. That takes out a couple
more teams. Now you're running out of possible landing spots
where it doesn't really matter how many rounds you go.
If those teams passed on you, they're not going to
come back. Like a couple things had to happen for
this to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, but I still go back to the Raiders. I mean,
Tom Brady's known this kid for a long time. But
and he drafted a quarterback later on, So you can't
go in it and go, hey, where's our bargain in
the draft? If Tom so when you say, oh, you
know this is collusion. Why did Tom Brady pass on him?
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And they drafted a quarterback late in the draft. That's
what I don't understand because Tom has been around Shador
Sanders and Dion had a mentor his son, and they
bypassed him a few times. I think, and I we
don't have confirmation on this, but I'm trying to get
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this is there were a couple of teams that just
didn't view him as a starter, but did view him
as a quarterback in the NFL. And there's a big
difference in that because a lot of times you'll get
the quarterback in the first round, but you don't get
the quarterback until like the fourth or fifth round. Now,
you know Jalen Hurts was a second round pick, but
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you know, if you look back on some of these drafts,
a lot of times you don't get the second round,
you know, draft pick at that position because you're either
good enough to be in the first round or you're
going to be later on because you're a backup quarterback. Now,
some of these guys will take snaps as a starter
this year. I truly believe there could be three or
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four of these quarterbacks who were taken later who will
play this year in the NFL. But that doesn't mean
their first round, you know, talents, that doesn't mean there's
a franchise quarterback a starting quarterback. And I think that's
what happened with Shador Sanders. He was a really good
college quarterback. He got by with doing some things that
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he needed to really clean up on. And these are
things that I told you about with arm strength, line
of scrimmage, speeding things up, you know, being, you know,
having that clock in your head. Being And this is
what is told to me by two scouts and helped
out by having Travis Hunter as well, held onto the
ball too long, didn't take blame when things went bad.
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But then I had one scout who said to me
last night his teammates loved him, loved him, they like
they his energy, everything about it. And I'm like, like,
there's there's just such a fractured, mixed message here. That's
what I'm still trying to figure this out. But I
do think, as I talked to a source last night,
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he just not viewed as his starting quarterback. A franchise
quarterback was the word. But that's why he drifted because
he's a backup quarterback and some people's eyes and I think,
you know Cleveland, going back in to get him. That
felt like that was an owner doing Dianna solid there
and his son. It really felt that way, whether that's
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true or not. And I think Cleveland was the right
place for him, I really do. I think Shador Sanders
will eventually be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Now.
I don't know if he's great, but I still think
that situation. And they owe forty six million dollars to
Deshaun Watson this year and next year. Congratulations. All right,
(16:40):
let me take a break getting long winded here. Let's
see whole question. Have that for you coming up?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yes, Bom, I just keep thinking about the Browns watching
Baker Mayfield throw for forty touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, all right, we'll take a break. We're back after this.
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we pondering for hour two?
Speaker 9 (18:10):
We've been taking many suggestions on if the heat didn't
quit last night, what exactly did they do right now?
My favorite is coming from a fella here who said
they strategically lacked effort.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Okay, that would be tanking. Yeah, Utah, Jazz did that
this year. Strategically lacked effort, Yes they did. But the
Cabs blew out the Heat by fifty five points. So
that's the fourth largest margin of victory in a playoff
game in NBA history. They also outscored the Heat by
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Official Trading Cards to the Dan Patrick Show. Now, I
didn't expect this kind of blowout, but I did expect
Cleveland to not have any issues with the Miami Heat.
You know, keep in mind, Miami was a playing team.
They had thirty seven wins. Cleveland had sixty four wins.
Cleveland's a really good team. Everybody's waiting to see how
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they're going to do in the playoffs. This next match
up here against Indiana. Now, people are going to have
some trepidation there before they I mean, they're doing that
with ok see, right now, we've seen it with the Celtics.
Now we're waiting to see Cavaliers on that level. Okay,
see on that level. I think that's what everybody's sort
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of waiting for here in the postseason, Bucks and the
Pacers coming up tonight, Pistons, Nicks, Magic, Celtics, Clippers, and
the Nuggets. Here was something that kind of got lost
a little bit, I think with the post draft coverage.
And I don't know if you're aware of this, but
you should be. Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred said he discussed
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Pete Rose with President Trump at a meeting two weeks ago.
The commissioner plans to rule on a request to end
the sports permanent ban of Pete Rose, who died in September.
Speaking yesterday to the Associated Press, the commissioner said he
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and the President discussed several issues, including concerns over how
immigration policies could impact players from Cuba, Venezuela and other
foreign countries. The Commissioner is considering a petition to have
Rose posthumously removed from Baseball's permanently ineligible list. The petition
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was filed in January, and we have talked about this
many many times, and I wondered what did he get in?
And I was saying all along that if he got in,
it would be posthumously, that the commissioner was not going
to let Pete Rose go up there and give a speech.
If anybody was going to do it, it'd be somebody
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in Pete's family after Pete had died. But this just
gets him back on the ballot. If they want to
do that, fine, Because people look at it as a
lifetime ban. This is a permanent ban. So his lifetime
it's over, but he's still banned. That's why the permanent
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part of this is the key part of this. If
this was a lifetime ban, well, his life is ended.
Now if you want to vote on this, you want
to put him on the ballot. But the president's involved
in this, and don't underestimate that because the number of
people who would love to have Pete in the Hall
of Fame as oppose those to those who would oppose this,
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I would say would be a pretty wide margin those
in favor of Pete Rose. And I know we're you know,
we're shoulder deep and gambling here and now moving forward,
do we take away the permanent label that word? Because
if I'm the nineteen nineteen White Sox or shoeless Joe Jackson.
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All of a sudden, I go, well, hold on, hold
on here. If you're a relative of shoeless Joe Jackson,
do you say, well, wait a minute here. You know
we had a permanent van you know, should it be
a lifetime ban? Our life is over. Can somebody kind
of pick up the baton here and get them into
the Baseball Hall of Fame that's going on right now?
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And could I see a scenario where the commissioner puts
Pete or allows Pete to be eligible eligible for the ballot? Now,
does he have a better ants? Like the veterans committing,
are they going to look favorably to Pete all the
years that he hijacked Cooper's town. I'd like to know,
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you know, I'd like to get a consensus of how
that's going to go with the veterans committing, because there
are a lot of players who were not in Pete's corner.
Because Pete never showed any contrition. He never really apologized.
But that's what made Pete great, you know, Lance Armstrong,
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he never apologized, Bonds never apologized, Clemens never, But like
that's what made them great. They needed to have that.
You know, I didn't do anything wrong. You did. And Pete,
look when he came on my radio show years ago
and said that he bet on the Reds to win
every game, and then people go, hey, well that's what
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you want. Well, you can still manipulate the lineup. I mean, no,
you can't bet on your team. But people, I think
thought that, well, at least he's not betting against his
team that we know of. Do you think Pete would
actually say, you know, I bet against my team a
few times because you want to win your bets. You
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don't care. And what I think Pete would put himself
in a position like that, Yes, I would, because he
was not a good gambler. But I think that this
is probably headed towards Pete being eligible for the ballot.
I do. I think that's where we're headed, because when
you meet with the president, the president wants this to happen.
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The president gets to take a victory lap, but he's
also saying to the commissioner, hey, I can affect some
of these other things that you're dealing with. You help
me here, Oh, I help you here. And I truly
think that's what's going to happen. I think this commissioner
will put him on the ballot and then he can
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wipe his hands clean of this. He can say, all right,
you know, I listened to the President. We put him
on the ballot, and I'm going to let the Veterans
Committee decide. Now, would he be on the regular ballot
or would he be on the Veterans Committee? Since he
hasn't been on the regular baseball ballot, I would think
you would. You should go through that process with Pete
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before you get to the Veterans Committee. Does it say
anything about that, PAULI.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
We're checking back in nineteen ninety one, the Hall of
Fame's Board of directors said anyone on the permanently ineligible
list cannot be considered for the Hall. So that's why
he was never on the ballot. We're checking what ballot
he would be on.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Because if you just say we're going to change it
to a lifetime ban, okay, you know the semantics of that,
because a permanent ban, it doesn't matter. Hey, you died
and you're posthumously going to be on the ballot. That
can't happen.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
If Rose is reinstated, it doesn't mean he would be
automatically on the Hall of Fame ballot. He would first
have to be nominated by the Hall's Historical Overview Committee,
which is a Baseball Writers Association. It's a small group,
and then he would end up on the ballot. So
he has to be voted to be on the ballot.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
To be on the ballot, Yeah, I would just keep
an eye out because I think that's what's going to happen.
I think this commissioner is probably going to decide to go,
all right, let's just be done with this. Yeah, pulling
and the commission can really be done for it.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
If he reinstates Rose and then he doesn't make the ballot,
it's not his decision to not vote him. It be
a separate committee. He would have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
We'll get phone calls. Albert Breer Monday Morning Quarterback had
a lot of things interesting things about Shudor Sanders, just
to recap kind of what we talked about first hour.
I just wonder if Shudoor Sanders, Deon Sanders had that
guy in the room in their inner circle, who was
the guy who would tell you what you didn't want
to hear, didn't have an agent, and sometimes that agent's
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job is to protect you from you. I remember I
thought that I was ready for a job, and my
agent at the time said, look, I'm gonna be honest
with you. I don't know if you're ready for this.
And you know, your first thought is I should get
another agent, like I need to have somebody tell me
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what I want to hear. But he was telling me
the truth, and you know, while it humbles you and
you're like, damn, Okay, I had somebody who was honest
with me. I don't know if Shador had that. If
your dad is your biggest cheerleader and talking to these teams,
maybe guiding these teams to your son or away from
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your son, are you getting that honest truth of You
didn't interview well. You don't come off as a great
team player. You seem like you have other interests. You
were distracted. It felt like maybe you wanted the teams
to try to tell you why they wanted you instead
of why you wanted to play for them. You need
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to hear that. And I think would that have helped him, Well,
it can help him moving forward, but it could have
helped him to at least understand what was going on
in the draft, because, as we pointed out last hour,
you don't get many second round quarterbacks because teams will
use a quarterback in the first round, but second round,
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now you've got to do team needs. If I didn't
draft you in the first round, I'm probably not going
to take you until the fourth round, fifth round. The
difference is that's a franchise quarterback. That's a backup quarterback.
And I believe since my source said I didn't have
a first round grade for him, that meant that maybe
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teams viewed him as a backup, or maybe teams didn't
even think he was going to be there, or for
whatever reason. If it's true that owners told their staff
to take him off their draft board for whatever, Like
what happened that all of a sudden, you're telling your
scouting team take him off our draft board? Are you
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following along with everybody else? Like did you hear the story?
Did you hear the story? Do you know what he did?
Speaker 9 (29:14):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
But we'll talk to Albert Breer about that. Coming on,
Jake and san Diego leads us off this hour. Hi, Jake,
what's on your mind today?
Speaker 10 (29:24):
Hey? First time, long time. My five day old son
is seven pounds and three ounces. Just two questions wondering,
one if you had any advice for me for what
to do with this little thing. And secondly, if Aaron
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never doesn't sign with the Steelers, if Jordan loves God
forbid something happens to him that he would sign with
the Packers in the milt of season, Oh.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
My god, I don't want to play the if somebody
gets hurt hypothetical around the league. Now, I did mention
if Matthew Stafford, let's say, would get banged up, would
you bring him in, Like there's certain situations where maybe
that would happen, But I don't see that happening where
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Green Bay goes. Do we want to go back into this?
And I would say no, But it does feel like
the Steelers, given what's happened or what happened in the draft,
that they're going, you know, hey, we'll take the kid
out of Ohio State. But that's kind of a yeah,
you know, who knows. Which I do like the draft pick.
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I mean, he did win a national championship, played for
two different schools. I think he's athletic. I think he
grew up a Steeler fan and you know, probably thrilled
to come in there and maybe he gets a chance.
I think that's a really good pick. And here's the
other thing. I already know what Mason Rudolph can do,
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Like I already know if I'm the Steel Like, Okay,
we got him, and yeah he's our quarterback. Maybe not,
he's a backup, but you know, you want to bring
in Will Howard. I think it's a good pick. Not
viewed as his starter, maybe he can be a starter.
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And I think you know, given what they have, you
already know what your backup quarterbacks are all about. You're
hoping for Rogers and then maybe swing for the fences
and you get a quarterback who can come in and
maybe in two years he's playing.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Yes, Mark, And I think brock Purty succeeding has given
a lot of these late round draft picks hope and
now they can say, hey, I can beat brock Purty
instead of the other really famous late round quarterback, which
is Tom Brady. And you don't want to have that
type of expectations. You know what, I could breed brock
Purty if I get the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yes, Todd, from a fan.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Standpoint in Pittsburgh, if Aaron Rodgers does eventually become a Steeler.
It's all forgiven, and they're all immediately all in and
we love Aaron Rodgers. Or because this took a long
you think there's going to be bitterness.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Well, I don't know if they have any other choice
but to bring him in. I mean, you got to
back him. I don't know if there's anything else you
can do. I mean, Mason Rudolph is not the answer,
and they can pretend that he is, but he's not.
You could have taken other quarterbacks in the draft. I
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just think they're getting Aaron Rodgers and praying that he
stays healthy. But we thought that that would happen after
the draft, because I said, at least what I was
told is Aaron's not going to sign before the draft.
He wants to make sure. He wants to see what
the Steelers do. Whether this is true or not, this
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is what I was told. Are they going to take
a quarterback a little bit higher? Would they use a
first round draft pick? Because we thought maybe Jackson Dart
was going to go to the Steelers, maybe shoudor Sanders
would go there. I don't know if that would have
had an impact on Aaron Rodgers, but I think that
you have to factor that in. If I'm Rogers, I'm like,
I don't have to hurry. You know, I can meet
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with the Steelers, I can talk to the Steelers, and
I just want to And he's probably just going to
survey the landscape here if somebody happens to get injured
in training camp. He wants to win another Super Bowl?
Are you going to do that in Pittsburgh? And I
think that's why he wanted Minnesota, because Minnesota is closer
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to winning a Super Bowl than Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, pulling, and the Steelers spent most of their draft
on the defense, Yes, running back quarterback than all defense,
and DK Metcalf in the offseason, they're poised to plug
in somebody.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
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Speaker 2 (33:50):
Albert Breer, frequent contributor to the program, the Monday Morning Quarterback,
who joins us on the program. Let's start with the
second pick in the draft. Let me do what everybody
else has done and not really focus on cam Ward
going number one overall built bad Ford. It's like, oh yeah,
that's great. Okay, now let's get to the interesting stuff.
Grade the Cleveland Jacksonville trade swapping two to five.
Speaker 11 (34:16):
So I would actually give Cleveland an a to be
able to get what they got, and we'll see what
becomes of I think the two guys they got form
more Mason Graham and quin Shawn Judkins.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
We'll see what becomes the players they got from.
Speaker 11 (34:28):
But you know, I think that they were really in
a position where they had to reset their roster a little,
and they're starting to feel the effects now of all
those first round picks going out the window for Deshaun Watson,
where they're aging in certain spots. They're aging a little
bit on their offensive line, they've aged on their defensive line,
they've aged a bit in their secondary, they aged it
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running back, and so, like I like, they had to
find a way to reset their roster a little, and
this effectively does it.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Now, you know, walking away from you know.
Speaker 11 (35:01):
One of the two true blue chip players in this draft,
I'm sure wasn't easy, you know, but they wind up
with Mason Graham and Judkins and they'll have it for
another first round pick next year, and depending on how
good Jacksonville is, that could wind up being a high
first round draft pick.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
We'll see.
Speaker 11 (35:17):
So I just think, you know, if you want to
talk about the logic behind it, it's pretty easy easy
to see what the Browns logic was. I would give
the I give the Jaguars a B plus. And here's
why I love Travis Hunter as a player. I think
on the high end, you're gonna get a truly unique,
like just a unicorn, you know, like, and I know
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that's a little redundant, right, a unique unicorn, but like,
you're getting one of these guys that, like, there's never
really been one of these before.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
If he hits.
Speaker 11 (35:47):
On all cylinders, but even if he doesn't, you're gonna
have a lot of cracks at getting it right because
there's so many different things that you can do with him.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
So I love that for them.
Speaker 11 (35:56):
My question is are they in that position yet where
they should be taking this sort of swing. In other words,
like Liam Cohen, James Gladstone came from the Rams where
they were known for taking these sorts of swings. But
when they took these sort of swings, they were on
veteran players and it was a team, and it was
with a team.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
That was in position to win right now.
Speaker 11 (36:16):
And so the question is, do the Jaguars now think
they're closer than maybe the general public does to truly
competing to maybe knocking off the Texans in the AFC
South to being a contender And you know, obviously a
lot of that's going to come down to what Liam
Cohen gets out of Trevor Lawrence, but maybe they think that.
You know, so if you're Jacksonville and you think you're
closer than the general public does, then this move makes
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a ton of sense because you know, Travis Hunter might
be a player that can put you over the top.
And then you know, maybe that pick next year is
in the twenties rather than being in the top ten.
So so we'll see on that.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
When did you realize that Shador was falling.
Speaker 11 (36:54):
February? I know that sounds crazy. February, Like, I don't know.
I was like everybody else in December and January thinking okay,
is it going to be Camra Shador?
Speaker 6 (37:06):
You know, being the first quarterback off the board.
Speaker 11 (37:08):
The more people I talked to when I started to
do my research on the draft class, which really I
try to do it all year, but it really kind
of gets going once the season ends. The more people
I talked to said this, he's just not a first
round talent. Now, people would have said the same thing
about Bonnix the year before.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
And I think I said this to you guys.
Speaker 11 (37:27):
I said this a bunch of different places, Like I
would say he could go third to thirty third.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
And the reason I said that because I didn't think
he was going in the first round, you know, And.
Speaker 11 (37:37):
You know, really what I meant by that was like,
maybe he finds the fit the way that bow Nicks did.
And no one's going to argue with where Bonnicks went
now because the rookie year he had and there was
a team that fit him perfectly. He found that team,
they found him and you know now they live happily
ever after. But absent finding that team, he wasn't a
good enough physical prospect to go in the first round.
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He wasn't what you normally see in a first round quarterback.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
And a lot of people were just.
Speaker 11 (38:05):
Whistling by the graveyard on that, but it was what
it was all along. And now here's the other part
of it, Dan is if he's not a first round
pick and he's got to go find his fit, does
it make any sense for him to be thinning the herd.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
It was effectively, is what they were.
Speaker 11 (38:20):
Doing, you know, over the last couple of months, the
way they were handling some of their meetings, and so,
you know, I think that that was a mistake. I
think another piece of it is, you know, how you
view your backup and what you expect from your backup,
and how most coaches want their backup to blend in
with the furniture.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
And you know, most coaches.
Speaker 11 (38:37):
Would say, you know, you, you know, you put two
quarterbacks in front of him. One's a celebrity, one's an
anonymous player, and you say it's going to be a
second or third quarterback in your roster.
Speaker 6 (38:46):
Most coaches will say, give me the anonymous guy.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
You know.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
It's just the way it is.
Speaker 11 (38:50):
So I think there were a number of factors on
why he fell, But I'd say first round, second round
about talent and performance, and then after that it's about
everything else.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, And that's what I brought up because my source
said that he didn't have a first round grade. Yeah,
and there aren't a lot of quarterbacks who were taken
in the second round because you're either first round worthy
or you're backup worthy and that's where you get into
the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round. And I think
that's what happened with Shador is he wasn't Jackson Darter
(39:18):
cam Ward, but he wasn't going to be Jalen Hurds
kind of lingering there in the second round. He was
going to be viewed as a guy who was probably
going to be a backup quarterback. But did the media
get duped here? Because if you consider mel Kiper, you know,
is still shouting from the mountaintops. There are a lot
of people who had Shador in the first round, and
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that that became a story because now everybody shocked that
he dropped as far as he did. But it almost
felt like the media in general was eating what Dion
was serving.
Speaker 11 (39:55):
Yeah, and it was good for business too, right, Yeah,
Like Chador is a fifth round isn't. I mean he's
you know, at that point, he's case Keenum, which is
a highly productive, good college quarterback who's not going to
be a high draft pick, you know. So, I mean
I would say this is sort of a symbiotic thing,
you know, where you know, Shador's camp probably felt like
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it was good for him to be presented as if
he was going to be a top five, top ten
pick and like that that was a lock. Like they
felt like that was good for them. Now it wound
up being bad for them, you know, because I think
it affected a lot of other things. But that was
also good for business in the media, wouldn't you say, Dan, No,
I mean, well, didn't have the draft didn't have a
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lot of sex appeal, right like this, let's call it
what it is. Like this was a draft that was
heavy on lineman, that didn't have very many blue chip guys.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
Travis Hunter is really interesting. But like are is abdul
Carter as good as he is?
Speaker 11 (40:50):
Is he's right driving ratings, No, the fourth picks and
offensive tackle, the you know, the the fifth picks of
defensive tackle. The seventh pick is an offensive tackle with
nine pix and offensive tackle. Like something's got to drive
the boat here, you know. And I think it was.
I had part of it is it's good for business for.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
All of us. I mean, I'm I'm not exam from
it either.
Speaker 11 (41:10):
I heard a lot about your door, and I talked
a lot about your door, and I went on TV
a lot about your door over the last two months.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
It was good for business that.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Way talking to Albert Brier the Monday Morning Quarterback helped
me understand the Steelers quarterback room right now.
Speaker 11 (41:25):
Yeah, so I think it's a pretty good tell that
they feel good about where they.
Speaker 6 (41:30):
Stand with Aaron Rodgers right now.
Speaker 11 (41:32):
And I think Kirk Cousins would loom as as sort
of a fallback option if Aaron Rodgers if that doesn't
play out the way that it does. But I think
we should listen to what Aaron said too, which is
I've got some personal things that I'm trying to work out.
And you wish he had said that at the beginning
because it probably would have, you know, saved a lot
of the noise from getting out there over the last
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couple of months.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
But he did say it, and I think.
Speaker 11 (41:54):
We can all respect it in all respect. Like whatever
he's going through in his personal life, and you know,
I think in that case, like you know, he's going
through that in his personal life, well maybe it would
make sense then that he would be waiting on signing
with a team, because you know, the minute he signs
with the Steelers, if he signs with the Steelers three
weeks ago and says, okay, I'm going to handle his
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personal matter, and then I'm going to show up. Well,
what does the narrative then become, Well, he's not here
for the off season program OTAs are starting, is not
here for that? The veteran mini camps are going to
be a circus because of that. I mean it, I
could see where, you know, if he like again, taking
it at face value, he's handling a personal matter here,
I can see where it probably makes the most sense
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for everybody to take a step back a little bit
and say, like, it just doesn't make sense for us
to sign you right now because it's going to turn
the volume up on everybody and we don't need that
right now.
Speaker 6 (42:47):
You don't need it, We don't need it. Let's just
let sleeping dogs lie.
Speaker 11 (42:51):
And then, you know, I think as far as the
Kirk Cousins thing goes, I mean where we are right
now with that, Like the Cleveland Browns, which are the
most logical soooter, they have a full quarterback room right now.
The Vikings just traded for Sam Howe, and I think
under certain circumstances the Vikings would have considered bringing Kirk
back as a backup, and so like the Steelers can
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kind of sit here and say Okay, Like, well, you know,
if something goes wrong in the Aaron Rodgers situation, we
could still revisit Kirk Cousins. So they've got a couple
options out there for themselves. And you know, then, I know,
you know, like I don't see him going into the
season with Mason Rudolph as a starter, but at least
they've got a guy that've got experience with there.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
What do you do if you're the NFL to the
Atlanta Falcons when the phone numbers got out and your
defensive coordinator son is videotaping him and his friends calling
these these gaps.
Speaker 11 (43:48):
I mean, I don't know, you know, in some ways,
I like, I think we all did We all did
stupid stuff when we were that age.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
So I hate to kill the kid, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 11 (44:00):
Like I probably would have thought it was hilarious when
I was twenty years old too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Like, so like I have.
Speaker 11 (44:06):
Sympathy for Shador in this situation. I also, you know,
like I also see this as like this isn't a
capital crime. Now, there is a security issue, you know,
So that's something the NFL has to clean up. How
these things get out. There's a million different ways that
can happen. That it was a burner phone, I think
obviously points to okay, like, well, if he only had
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this phone over the week leading up to the draft,
then it had.
Speaker 6 (44:29):
To come from somewhere.
Speaker 11 (44:31):
And you know, I think this is if it did
come from an NFL email, then the league office has
to look inward too and how they're distributing those things,
and are they being a little careless about distributing them?
You know, I think we have to be open to
the idea that's an honest mistake. If you leave a
tablet open, and which is what they said I think
right was an iPad. If you'll leave a tablet open
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and your kid walks by it, I mean, you know, again,
is that a capital crime? It's sloppy, but like it's
not a capital crime, you know, So it's a it's
a it's a it's a it's a weird story. It's
a weird thing. But you know, I like, I look,
there's just a huge part of me that looks at
this and says, like, let's just all move on.
Speaker 6 (45:12):
This is so stupid. It doesn't I mean, is in
stable condition right now?
Speaker 11 (45:18):
I would say, right after after after what happened on
that phone call.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
The Niners paid George Kittle. Yeah, I didn't know if
maybe they were going to do it in reverse order
and pay Rock Party and then you pay George Kittle.
But what do you make of the Niners making George
Kittle the highest paid tight end?
Speaker 11 (45:38):
Well, I think it's like sort of an acknowledgment of
who he is as a player and what he's done
for the organization and as a guy who's going to
turn thirty two years old in October. You know, we
still trust you. You know, we still trust that you're
going to do everything you need to do because it's
going to get harder as you get older to get
yourself ready to be one of the best tight ends
in football. Now, on paper, you know what this really
(45:59):
is is it's a bump, and it's you're gonna be
on the team in twenty twenty six. Like he knows
he's gonna be on the team this year, this essentially
assures that he's gonna be on the team in twenty
twenty six, so he gets a nice pay raise. You're
gonna be on the team the next two years and
then after that we'll see. It's trumpeted as a four
year extension. It does not mean he's going to be
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on the team when he's thirty eight years old. So,
you know, I think, as much as anything else, this
is sort of the gold Watch deal, you know what
I mean, Like, this is the deal where you say,
we love you.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
You're gonna be a part of our organization forever. You've
got a legacy here. We're going to reward you one
last time.
Speaker 11 (46:37):
We're gonna give you the security of knowing you're gonna
be here for the next two years and we'll see
after that.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
The Bill Belichick book, where Robert Kraft is not even
in the acknowledgments. What do you make of that exchange
that he had with the Sunday Morning the CBS Morning Show.
Speaker 11 (46:58):
Well, I mean, was it Georgia Tech against Cumberland and
the was that the two hundred and twenty two or
nothing game?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Right?
Speaker 11 (47:05):
Yeah, Like I would say that would be sort of
the same matchup as CBS News against the people who
are running Belichick's interview.
Speaker 6 (47:14):
There that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Well, okay, wait a minute. Now, his girlfriend's job, I
would think, is to troubleshoot. She heads up his pr Yeah,
you have to have. Let's go through the potential questions.
You're going to get Bill, right, I'm going to ask
you the questions, and then we are going to cobble
together and answer yeah, Bill. Bill seems shocked, and then
(47:41):
he also when the you know, they followed up by
asking you know.
Speaker 11 (47:45):
And if it is true, if it is true that
the reason that's got out and the reason they shot
that they shot her off camera is because it was
non stop interrupting and there was a real problem for them.
Speaker 6 (47:56):
Well, that's not the way like a professional in that
situation acts.
Speaker 11 (47:59):
Like if you have like a publicist or a PR
person who's handling that for you. I mean, you know
this as well as I do. Dan, You've sat down
in these sorts of interviews before. I mean, they're very
they're usually very professional. And if there is a PR
person or a publicist there for the person who is
being interviewed, that person's not interrupting. That person has an
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idea of everything that's going on with everybody there, in
a lot of cases has a relationship with the network,
you know what I mean, Like, so they're working through
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
But Bim should have been prepared for that question. That's aye.
Speaker 6 (48:34):
Yeah, And that part of it.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Is even him getting fired Albert, he didn't even have
an answer for that because they let him go and
he goes, I'm mutual.
Speaker 11 (48:44):
Mutual, Yeah, yeah, but that part of it, I'm not
sure he would have answered that differently, Like I that
felt did that not feel to you like a little
bit of knife twisting, like you know with with with Craft,
Like it just felt to me like I know what
he doesn't want to hear here, so.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
I'm gonna I'm gonna twist the knife. That's what it
felt like to me.
Speaker 11 (49:05):
I mean, And we know the guy knows how to
hold a grudge, right, I mean, so I like I
it it felt to me like just watching it and
knowing and knowing Bill and having you know, been around
professionally around Bill for the last twenty years, like like
he generally doesn't say a lot of things by mistake,
and that correct answer was like basically like yeah, I
(49:30):
did it, and I meant to do it, and I
did it for a reason.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
She just has to be better. If you're gonna if
you're gonna be his sounding board, you have to say
to him, they're gonna ask you these questions, right, you know,
you're preparing for a deposition.
Speaker 6 (49:46):
Well and if I'm if I'm in the room, they're
gonna ask about me.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Right, Well, I'm sure, but you know, I she could
have been hands off from the standpoint of this is
a book about Bill in winning. This has nothing to
do with her, their relationship or North Carolina. Right, But
now what I still ask because she's interrupting. I probably
would have said, why don't you come over here and
(50:10):
sit down with us because you're disrupting the interview. Either
be in the interview or get out of the room.
Speaker 6 (50:18):
Right.
Speaker 11 (50:19):
It Also it also sort of makes Bill look weak,
doesn't it, Like I just I mean it does like
like we can call it what it is, Like if
you're talking about like making him look good, that wasn't
happening either, you know, like let him answer the question.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
He's the most prepared coach we've ever had.
Speaker 6 (50:36):
And you don't know and like you don't think he
knew that could be asked. Of course he.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Did, of course he did.
Speaker 11 (50:43):
I mean, like if he's putting, if he's parking her
ten feet from the camera, like then he has to know,
Like they could ask about that, and maybe they will.
Maybe they won't, but they could ask about that so.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Absurd that we're actually talking about this. If I would
have said to you, hey, three years ago, Hey, you
know what's gonna happen with Bill. He's gonna meet this
girl on a plane and uh, he's not gonna get
back in the NFL. He's gonna leave the Patriots and
he's gonna coach at North Carolina and we're gonna talk
about how she's running for his life.
Speaker 11 (51:19):
Will you look at so interesting those pictures on the
on the beach where they're posing like we had that,
we had that, We had that thing like Brady Kraft
Belichick for all those years and everything else. And who's
I mean, like, who's the one that's like winning that? Yeah,
I guess that's another Georgia Tech versus Cumberland.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Right.
Speaker 11 (51:37):
Like it's like, is Brady is now a part owner
of the Raiders? Was was you know, just part of
hiring a head coach and a general manager?
Speaker 6 (51:45):
And uh, you know the other two guys are sort
of engaged in this.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
It's just it is crazy.
Speaker 6 (51:51):
It feels to me like the theater of the absurd.
Speaker 11 (51:54):
I mean, it's just like if we can all be
again like if we can all be honest about this.
Speaker 6 (51:59):
It's like, there's no way, there's no way.
Speaker 11 (52:03):
Five years ago if you had told me that this
is where we would be, you know, and five years
ago is when Brady walked.
Speaker 6 (52:09):
Out the door.
Speaker 11 (52:10):
If you had told me like this would be there,
that this would where where we would be left five
years later, I would have I would have said, that
sounds like a that sounds like a Saturday Night Live skit.
Speaker 6 (52:21):
I mean, it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Good to chat with you. We'll talk to you in
the off season. Thank you again. Albert all right, thanks Dan.
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