April 30, 2025 • 45 mins
Raleigh News & Observer reporter Luke DeCock unpacks the Belichick-UNC experiment and discusses the awkward CBS interview with Belichick's girlfriend. NFL insider Ross Tucker weighs in on Travis Hunter's two-way future and shares how skipping interviews may have cost Shedeur Sanders big in his NFL Draft slide. And Hall of Famer Charles Barkley questions the Lakers' stamina and takes some jabs at former NBA players not being able to play against him.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Luke decoc is the columnist sports columnist for The Roleigh
News and Observer who joins us on the program. Luke,
good morning. What was your reaction when you watched the
interview on Sunday Morning with Bill and his girlfriend?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
The fact that they put in the clip of her
objecting to talking about their meet cute, Like, if you're
in the business, right you massage sources and can we
talk about either There's a not a quick pro quote,
but a negotiation that happens there and you know that
stuff does not make it on screen. So the idea
that they would show that and make it part of
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their interview suggests that, like their producers, whatever their limit is,
she went so far across it. And imagine, like I
love to think about the idea of UNC saying, oh no,
we have another Jordan brand crisis, and here we are.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
He's not even wearing a UNC.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
What sure?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Right, He's wearing this navy T shirt or whatever it
is with a hole in it. She's got a navy
sweatshirt on. It's like, you're going to embarrass us and
you can't even represent the brand, right, so, I mean,
it's just like, even before we knew who she was
or cared who she was, this whole thing has just
been ludicrous. And now that we got into this sort
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of off field Instagram media polishing, whatever you want to
call it, it's just like that, there's not a big
enough tent to.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Throw over the circus right now?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
What is your biggest concern? Let let's just look at
her role. You know, Bill is relinquished control, and he
was a control freak when he coached, you know, in
the NFL. And let's just look at it football wise.
With this team. What concerns you here?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, I mean that you know, they've got sort of
a average level college staff. They've got room for all
of his you know, his kids, and Mike Lombardi's son
is on the staff, and former players.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I I wrote that they're kind of looting Chapel Hill
like Halibert and looted Bagdad. But the reality is you
and c kind of asked him to do this. They
gave him the giant bag of money. He's just spending it.
It's just it's hard to portray yourself as the thirty
third NFL team like nobody's thought of this before when
you've got all this other stuff going on, you know,
and like, all right, they're gonna practice without numbers on
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the jerseys, and it's like they're acting like they just
invented the steam engine. And it's just like, you know,
college football is not a sport that's lacked sort of
innovation or coaching, introspection or over coaching, the idea that
you're gonna come in and just be smarter than everyone else.
We certainly haven't seen that bear fruit yet. You know,
they lost their best defensive linem into the portal. The
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quarterback they ended up buying in the portals from South Alabama. Look,
he made me very good, you know, certainly cam Ward
jumped up levels and other guys have, but you're still
it's still South Alabama and going up against now ACC
future NFL cornerback. So there are a lot of sort
of questions just on a football side of things, and
they're or from the moment he was hired, this is
a program that hasn't won an ACC title in forty
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five years. Basically, the age gap between him and Jordan
is how long it's been since they've won an ACC title.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
You're killing it. Here, Luke, I like this, the are
they going to do a Jordan brand logo with her?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I think my sense is, you know, the Athletic had
a story today about how the hard Knocks thing fell,
or really sort of the TikTok and not really a
why or how, but sort of that the hard Knocks
thing fell. Apart my senses, North Carolina has spent more
man woman person hours on Jordan Hudson related issues in
the last four months than they ever possibly could have expected. Lawyers,
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pr people, athletic department people. I mean, I wrote a story,
a column a couple of weeks ago about they've got
a dozen people listed on the UNC system staff payroll
website who are identified as members of the football staff.
This sort of Michael Lombardi's team. The GM office, the
front office identify as football people on social media, u
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n C, the athletics. They're not on the athletic department website.
Their hirings have never been announced, and when I asked
the athletic director's chief of staff what was going on,
her response was, we're looking into it. So it's like
Rocco Lampone building his secret regime and the Godfather. Nobody
really knows what's going on. There's no oversight as far
as anyone can tell. And this whole thing is kind
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of you know, it's it's like a Tesla on auto drive.
You just don't know what it's gonna hit first.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Okay, the local media and their availability or bills availability
to you is what.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
About what you'd expect. We talked to him before the
start of spring practice, we talked to him when he
was hired. As far as I know, maybe you know,
Micha Lombardi has been available once on signing day. He
spoke to the fans on their their spring game. They
did practice like a pro like he used to do
with the Patriots. He spoke to the fans, but not
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to the media.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So it's it.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
It took him two months to the u UNC his
own internal podcast, so you know, even the stuff that
the school wants him to do hasn't exactly been easy coming.
But I think we all expected that, right, Like this
is there's no NFL access rules here. You're not required
to meet after a OTA or a certain number. You know,
he's it says in this contract he has to fulfill
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media responsibilities, but there's absolutely no way.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
To enforce that.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So you know, we may not even who knows. We
may not talk to him after practices in August, we
may not talk to him after games. We may only
talk to him after games. That's that's all up in
the air right now. It's it's but in that respect,
it's it's sort of been what you expect.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Is Luke decoc He covers North Carolina football, He covers
sports there in the Raleigh, North Carolina area, Raleigh News
and observers sports columnists. I wanted to be fair to
Belichick in this situation. If I was in the chair,
I'm interviewing him. She's interrupting, like she is becoming part
of the story, but the story is supposed to be.
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Has written a book about winning football games, not about her.
But when does she become fair game in this story,
in the CBS story where you have to include her.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
That's a terrific question. And like I have not written
about her, I have not written a column about her.
I've mentioned her when he got hired. That is, you know,
girlfriend was sitting with these trustees to sort of push
this higher through because it you know, look, football coaches wives,
and he coaches wive and he coaches husband if you
want to, you know, they have an impact on these things.
But like typically, you know, Mac Brown would always refer
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to you know, Sally and I made the decision to
come back, and he genuinely believed that it was a
team partnership there. But you didn't get the sense that
Sally was vetting his interviews or watching film at night.
And you know, I mean, at this point, would anyone
be shocked if Jordan Hudson posts on Instagram I'm so
excited Bill has decided to switch to a bass nickel.
This is going to be great for the football program.
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Like no, no one would at this point. So when
you starts to it, like as I mentioned earlier, UNC's
brand is at stake here. They hired Bill Belichick to
sell tickets and put butts in seats and eyeballs on
screen as much as win football games. And when it
becomes a side show, when your athletic department becomes a
Jordan Hudson management program instead of a football program, that
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when that is when it becomes a story. And the
fact that I haven't actually sort of put pen to
paper yet is really a function of the fact that
the Carolina Hurricanes are in the playoffs, and we had
a double overtime game last night, and that's soaking up
a lot of my attention. But the CBS News interview,
to me, where you start raising questions about what this
meet cute that was supposedly established on the plane with
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the book, and now she's saying, we won't talk about that,
and there are questions about, you know, who's actually in
charge here. You know, I think that to me starts
to cross that rooticon of this becomes a football issue.
You know, can Bill Belichick focus on winning at a
program that you know has come close so many times
under Butch Davis and Larry Fedora and Mac Brown twice.
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If he's you know, promoting a book and doing all
these other things, what's Bill Belichick's focus and what's her
role in directing that focus? The fact that a football
coach doesn't know what's on social media about him, as
he claimed in the CBS. These guys care about what's
on the monitors in the lunch room like they dictate
every single aspect of a program. That's true in the pros,
it's true in college. So there's a lot of sort
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of questions now that need answers, and to me, that's
that's the line you cross, right, that becomes not writing
about his personal life, which obviously there are people who
write about his personal life for a living. But for
me as a sports columnist, when it sort of gets
into decision making and who's in charge, what does this
mean for the football program? You know, there is a
line that's crossed there.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Would you rather sit down and interview Bill or his girlfriend?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I would still like to know from Bill why you know?
I asked him that at his initial press conference, at
what point in your mind did you sort of switch
from I this is how I would run my next
NFL program to oh, how would I run a college program?
It was literally the only good answer he gave him
that entire press conference. But I want to know, like,
what possesses you at this age with a young girlfriend
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who you guys seem to be having the time of
your lives out there. You know, even if she's calling
the shots, he seems to be, you know, seems to
be working for him in that respect, Why would you
want to take on a program that is, you know,
at a basketball school that faces huge structural hurdles. I mean,
there's a reason why neither North Carolina or NC State
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or Duke has won an ACC title in football in
thirty years, when they've won national titles and gone to
final fours in literally every other sport women's lacrosse, field hockey,
women's basketball, wrestling, swimming. All three schools have been in
the final four the last five years in men's basketball.
So football has been this outlier. And we can go
on forever about why that is. It has to do
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with so many football programs in a state, plus Tennessee
and South Carolina and Clemson all skimming the cream off
the top. But the reality is, why would you take
that on. You have a very good life, wait for
an NFL job to open up, be a GM you know,
write books about how you're the greatest winner and greatest
leader ever. Don't go to this perennial sleeping giant football program.
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And plus maybe, you know, maybe if someone offered me
this much money to do what I would to.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Over under one and a half years for Belichick at
North Carolina under.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I thought you were gonna say wins. Oh that was
gonna push me.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That's quick answer there, Luke.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
It's going to be a beautiful disaster.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Dan like a monkey flying a seven thirty seven. We
all know how it's gonna end, but we don't know
how we're going to get there.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
How about a round of applause for Luke's Appearencey John,
Thank you, Luke, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
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Speaker 2 (11:54):
That's Covino and Rich like you to bring in Ross Chucker,
Good buddy, Ross. First question, what's Bill Belichick doing?
Speaker 8 (12:06):
Dan?
Speaker 5 (12:06):
I have no idea. I mean, if you would have
told me or any of us that played for the
Patriots that at someday he'd be doing an interview and
there would be anyone, you know, I mean, anyone forget
it being a how old she is, twenty four year
old young woman, anyone to the side kind of telling
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him what to say, what not to say, what topics
they can talk about, what they can't. That is not
the guy that we played for now, that was a
long time ago. That was two thousand and five, two
thousand and six for me, so it's like twenty years ago,
but it's very, very surprising to see someone else having
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this level of control and or involvement with what coach
Belichick does.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
How much of a control freak was he when you
were in New England?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Well, I don't know. On scale one to ten, he
was a twenty, you know, I mean, picture of this,
Dan'll you'll appreciate this. Okay, two stories I'll tell you
about Belichick and his desire for control. Every morning he
would walk on the treadmill Incline and he would read
the clips of everything that was said about the Patriots
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and everything that was said about the opponent. And then
the first time you meet with the media as a
player is Wednesday at lunch. So in the Wednesday morning
team meeting, he would tell you exactly what the storylines
were for the week, what questions you're going to be asked,
and what your response was to be. So we played
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Jacksonville in the five wild card round and was gonna
be really cold in Foxborough. So the first thing he said,
he said, they're all gonna ask you about the weather.
Weather's no factor. It's the same for both teams. I mean,
he was by far the most conscious of and involved
in media relations of any coach I was ever with,
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which I thought was fascinating that he cared that much.
I didn't really understand why he cared that much, but
he micro managed any comments that any players made to
the media. So it's really interesting that now see him
on the kind of wearing the other shoe, and now
he's the one more or less being micromanaged with these
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media interviews.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
He's Ross Tucker and the Ross Tucker Football podcast also
calls games for CBS Westwood One, and you can check
him out on social media at Ross Tucker NFL. Let's
look at the draft here. How should Travis Hunter be
used his rookie year?
Speaker 5 (14:47):
That is the million dollar question. I love that the
Jaguars went up to get him, but you can't move
up and give up that many assets unless he is
going to play both ways and you feel like you
have a good plan for him to play both ways.
I know, you know, Dan, I did that Colorado Colorado
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State game last year for CBS. I'm on record on
my show and elsewhere are saying he's the best college
football player I've ever seen. So forty plus years of
watching college football, you know, what the uptempo offenses. He
was playing over one hundred and twenty snaps a game.
That is just nuts. And I'm fascinated to see whether
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or not he can play both at nearly as high
of a level in the NFL. He has the chance.
I'm not going to do the whole James Gladstone thing
where like, you know, a belief in football, and I'm
not going to give you the speech that the Jaguars
GM gave, But he has the potential to be like
the Steph Curry of football. Dan. You know how you
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go to like a sixth grade cyo basketball game now
and these kids are all shooting like twenty five foot
three because of Steph Curry. If Travis Hunter can do this,
all these five star recruits are gonna tell Ohio State
and Alabama. I want to play both ways. I want
to be on both sides of the ball. I mean,
this guy might change the sport. The interesting thing in
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particular with Jacksonville. Would you rather have a guy that's
very good at two positions or elite at one? And
everybody agrees that you're better off being a full time
corner and a part time receiver. But most people will
also tell you he's further along as a receiver. I
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think the Jags needed a corner more than anything else.
I think he's a full time corner and they already
have Brian Thomas from last year. He'll be a part
time receiver who I think they feel like they'll get
a lot of value out of.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Clearly, but I think that considering what they gave up
to go get him, he has to play both positions.
Like I have to get a show Heyo Tani out there.
I have to have people who show up and they
want to see him as a receiver and a defensive back.
I think that's that's lost in a lot of people
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in how they assess this and like, hey, I love him,
I think he's great, but I also am in the
entertainment business. I got to have him out there playing
both both sides of the ball, there's no doubt.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
And of course he's from Georgia, played high school ball
in Florida, so he's got the connections down there as well. Locally.
I think that's how the Jaguars look at it. Number One,
he gives them a tremendous amount of buzz with the
new regime. From a business perspective. But number two, I
think what they would tell you Dan is yes, we
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gave up next year's first round pick. Guess what next
year's first round pick is Travis Hunter the cornerback, this
year's first round pick with Travis Hunter the receiver. I
truly believe that that's how they look.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
At Okay, give me your theory on Shid or Sanders slide.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Well, there's a couple things there. Number one, I think
the biggest thing then, and you know this, like the
way you conduct yourself, the way you treat people, it matters, right.
I haven't talked about this that much just because I
don't think it's that big a deal. But it's a
small story.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Right.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
So last year, I think you know, I did that
Colorado Colorado State game for CBS. I referenced it with Hunter, right,
But I was doing Bills Dolphins on radio Thursday night
for Westood one. But I wanted to make sure I
was locked in for the TV game. I flew out
on Tuesday night to Denver. I was told that I
could talk to Shador after Wednesday's practice for Colorado. I
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go to the practice, I'm in Boulder. After the practice,
I'm told, well, he got banged up against Nebraska. He
needs to get treatment. Can't meet with you, but he'll
meet with you Friday at the production meeting. Okay, no problem,
go to Buffalo, do the game. Fly back Friday production meeting.
We talked to Dion, he was great. The coordinators no Shador.
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We weren't really given a reason, but we did not
talk to Shador at the production meetings, which, as you know,
starting quarterback, especially a high profile player like that, very unusual.
I walk out of the hotel and there's a pickup
truck in front of the hotel and Shador was just
sitting in the back of the pickup truck, and I
kind of regret not going up to him and just
saying introducing myself, Hey, sh I'm Ross's nice to meet you,
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or ask him why he didn't do the production meeting.
But it just made me wonder Dan Like people asked
me NFL people asked me after that game, what did
you think of Shador? And I said, I didn't get
to talk to him. Maybe he's the greatest kid ever,
maybe he's a bad kid. I don't know. But I
told them the story and they just kind of nodded
their head. And it just made me wonder, Dan, how
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many stories are there like that in which Shador did
things that were not customary, he did things non traditionally.
It certainly seems like that was the deal with a
lot of the combined interviews and meetings with teams, and
especially at that position. I think it makes him very
nervous that already in college he was getting out of
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things that you're supposed to be doing. What's he going
to be like if he's a first round pick in
the NFL draft?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
But if he had cam Ward's talent, would we be
overlooking all of this?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
If he had cam Ward's talent, he still would have
been a first round pick. I think that the Titans
would have taken cam Ward instead of him, meaning the
in tangibles, the way he carries himself, that stuff matters.
But if he was that talented, I believe the Browns
at two, the Giants at three, they would have taken him.
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Because also, that's the other part of this. You're okay
with having that level of attention if it's your top
five pick, your starting quarterback. That goes along with that.
Once the Giants decided they like Dart more than Shador
and the Saints decided they like Shuck more than Shador, which,
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by the way, a lot of people came on my show,
the Rosslucker Podcast and said they had Dart ahead of
Shador or they had Shuck ahead of Shador. So I
can live with those. But once those three teams made
that decision, then he was only gonna get drafted to
be a backup. And we know this from Kaepernick from Tebow.
Nobody wants the most high profile player on the team
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to be the backup quarterback. Nobody wants a lightning rod
polarizing backup quarterback. And I gotta tell you, Dan, No,
I have no proof of this. I'm convinced that Aaron
Rodgers told the Steelers, hey, I'm coming, I'll play for you,
but don't take the Sanders kid, because Aaron doesn't want
to deal with that. Aaron doesn't want the first time
he has a bad game people calling for the Steelers
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to put Shador Sanders in. Whether he said something or not,
I will believe forever that Aaron Rodgers made it known
to the Steelers he did not want you Door Sanders
in that quarterback room. And I have to deal with that,
and what might be his last year in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I'll leave you with this, and the more I've thought
about it, the more I'm surprised at this. They didn't
have an agent for Shudor. You have Dion, who is
a big cheerleader for his son. His son is listening
to his dad pump him up. His dad during Super
Bowl week is talking about I've talked to teams and hey,
I might be steering him in a different direction here.
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All of this is going on, there's nobody really to
tell him what reality is because you're there at Colorado
with your dad, You're driving an expensive car, You get
to do what you want, Like, that's not reality. This
is reality when you go to talk somebody and they
want to know who you are, not who your dad is.
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They want to know can you do this? What am
I getting here as a person? And that's what really
surprises me that it doesn't sound like some but he
was there to be that voice who was going to
be the contrarian to say, hey, you didn't interview, well, hey,
this is what I'm hearing, because I think reporters were
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really nervous of giving the true story of what was
going on, because I think you had one who came out,
Maybe it was Todd McShay, and all of a sudden,
it's like, hey, I'm hearing he had a bad interview,
and the blowback was, oh, now we're coming out and
going after shador I even said it on the show.
It feels like there was this smear campaign going on
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quietly and then all of a sudden it start. Now
it's coming to the surface. But I kept thinking, where
is this coming from? And then we finally found out
there are some people attaching their names to what was
going on. I'm just amazed they didn't have somebody who
was going to play the bad cop to everybody's good
cop in this situation.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Well, and not only that, Dan, you just made a
fantastic point, because every guy with an agent, they get
prepped for the combine interviews. So not only is it
the part where he could have had someone to tell
him the truth after the interviews or during the pre
draft process, it's pretty clear nobody told him how to
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conduct himself in those interviews, and he failed them miserably.
I mean, I've had people say that he went into
those interviews Dan as if he had the leverage right,
as if he was in control of the situation. Boy,
that does not go over real. Well, yeah, those guys
imagine being you interview one hundred guys at the combine,
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only one of them acts like a you know what,
doesn't stink and acts like he can control and say
whatever he wants to say. He didn't have someone to
prep him properly for those interviews, and it cost him dearly.
I mean, we learned this spring how important the pre
draft process is for quarterbacks especially see I mean Quinn
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yours and these guys going down, chucking, Gabriel going up.
What you do in the spring, Yes, after the season,
it matters.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just I was told that there was
a scenario where Shador made the person people interviewing him
feel like you got to recruit me. Yeah, like I
I'm not sure if I want to go to your team.
Why don't you tell me why I want to go
to your team? There was that sense of entitlement. Now
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that was one situation. I don't know what happened elsewhere,
but you're right, it does play. It did play a
pretty big role here. Great to talk to you as always,
Thanks for joining.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Us, of course, great, see you, Thank you man.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
That's Ross Tucker.
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He is the star of Inside the NBA Hall of
Famer Charles Barkley back on the program, Chuck, good to
see you finish this sentence. If the Lakers lose tonight,
dot dot dot.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
The Lakers.
Speaker 8 (26:12):
I told you two months ago, six weeks the Lakers
are on a good team. They got two really really
good players, but they're not a good team. ESPN just
swings on them like they choked, like everything chased like chicken.
But the Lakers is not a good team. They're gonna
lose either this round or next round, but more likely
this round. But they just they're not very good.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
What do you think the future? And like if you're
let's say you're Luca and you look around, JJ didn't
play anybody off the bench. Lebron's got maybe two more
years left.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
If you're the Lakers are not going to be a
contender with the team they have now, your best player
can't be forty or I just don't think that's the
that's makes no sense whatsoever. Yeah, your best player can't
be forty. I mean, and JJ was wrong the other
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night to play those guys entire second half because number one,
it's probably gonna affect them tonight.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
It definitely affected them down the stress the other night.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
You know, both of those guys missed layups and they
made some mental mistakes with the ball. So no, it's
this is not the Lakers year. And people think I
hated the Lakers. I told you, I said, Lakers on
a good team. But ESPN was just swinging on him
like they were damn King Kong and so.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
But if but if you're Luca, do you want to stay?
Do you want to re sign? If you're looking around
at what you have with the Austin Reeves a nice player,
But what are you going to build on when Lebron's gone?
Speaker 8 (27:47):
Well I don't know the answer to that question, first
and foremost, but I don't think he can go anywhere.
I mean, he's gonna be a Laker probably for life
from this point going forward. Okay, I was then and
then you know, the clowns of the ESPN they always
make me laugh.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Because you aren't you going to be working there?
Speaker 8 (28:08):
And yeah, but there you know, I'm gonna be a
straight shooter. It's interesting how they were discussing Janni's this week,
like shit, Yannis want to leave?
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
I'm like, I clearly don't remember when I played. I
don't remember saying we need to get Charles Barker some
help in Philadelphia or Phoenix, or Carmelan some help in Utah,
Patrick Ewn some help in New York. I don't remember
guys at the media kissing my ass and calls ass
and Patrick asked like, well, Yanna should want to leave
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Milwaukee now because he can't win the championship. I wonder
what all the guys were when I played asking me
to get some help.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
I mean they were kissing I did.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
They were like loving the Lakers, loving loving his Celtics,
loving Michael, loving the Pistons. But I don't remember all
these kiss asses back in the day saying, you know,
we need to get Charles Barkinson help because he can't
win a championship in Philly or Phoenix.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
But it makes me laugh. They're like, no, Joanni's got
to leave Milwaukee.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
You know that already started, Like wow, y'all was concerned
about us other great players back in our day. But
y'all All of a sudden, Now y'all like, oh, Jannis
has got to leave Milwaukee. Now's his championship wasn't no close.
I'm like, man, thanks for helping me out when I
went out there with nobody.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You had a great team in Phoenix.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
We had a really good team.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
You guys should have won the title that year.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
No, Michael was better.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Mike was better, but you guys had a better team
than the Bulls.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
It was a Pickham series, but Michael was the greatest ever.
And then the next two years a team was better
than me when it counted. So hey, listen, all I
wanted one of the reason I got out of Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
I just wanted a chance.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
I had three chances at it, and we lost to
the champl three years in a row. That's all you want.
But I don't want to stack my team ever. That
I mean, I'm will always be against super team period.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
All Right, I'm watching last night you guys after the
Pacers game, and Shack is blaming Yanni's for the altercation,
the incident with Tyre's Halliburton's dad.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Yeah, that was Shaq was one hundred percent wrong and
stupid on that subject. I've never did. I've never seen that.
Number One, I want to thank Tyreech for coming out apologizing,
and then I want to thank his dad for coming
out and apologizing, like, I ain't never seen that before.
In my over forty years in the NBA, I've never
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seen a parent.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
You know.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
It was like AAU crap. Yeah, you know how much
I hate AAU. It's like these parents they think they
can scream their kid to the NBA. It drives me
flat crazy, but they apologize. Let me tell you something,
Joannest is one of my favorite players. He became more
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one of my favorite players last night because ain't no
way in the hell I wouldn't have clocked his.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Ass, Dare.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Ain't no way I wouldn't have clocked him. And I
ain't trying to be no fake tough guy on television.
There's no way I wouldn't have punched him in the
face when he did what he did. There's no way,
And I say, I ain't trying to be no fake
tough guy. But in the heat of the moment, and
Johannes said it, I didn't know it was his dad.
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If a regular fan came on the court and did
that to me a one percent would have punched him
in the face.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Should he get the same punishment as if that was
just a fan in not Tyrese Haliburton's death.
Speaker 8 (31:46):
I don't even know what the appropriate punishment is. Like
I say, I'm glad they both apologized. I'm not sure
what the punishment is. Uh, what's fair?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
How about you keep him away from the first playoff game,
the next playoff game at home?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
I don't think he should be executed, but I think, hey,
you can't come to the next to the next two
games at home.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I think that would be fair.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Or if he wants to be on the court so badly,
he must play five minutes for the Pacers, that.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Would be a great.
Speaker 8 (32:21):
He has to start the game and play the first
quarter for his son, that would be a great punishment.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, he's got to guard Donovan Mitchell. I think that's right.
For five five minutes.
Speaker 8 (32:34):
Hey, he has to play. No, you can break it
up how you want to. He has to play twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
He's Charles Barkley, the Hall of Famer Turner Sports Inside
the NBA analyst. I know athletes hate it when you
know people in my position say somebody quit. So I'm
just trying to come up with a better description for
what the Miami Heat did the other night against Cleveland.
If they didn't quit, what exactly did they do?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Well?
Speaker 8 (33:01):
You know, it's interesting. It's three things I don't like doing.
One thing I would never do said somebody should get fired.
I've made that clear for twenty five years. I'll never like,
I can say they're not doing a good job, but
I would never say somebody should get fired.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
That's just like my number one rule.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Secondly, I don't like using the word choke or quit
because that's that's damning. But the Miami Heat quit in
Game four because if you were not embarrassed after Game three,
you and to come out and play like you did
in Game four.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
The Miami Heat, they quit, they were ready for.
Speaker 8 (33:41):
Can Coon And it was really unfortunate because I have
so much respect for pat Riley, Alonso Marnic and Eric Sposter,
and like I say, the Cavs were gonna win the series,
but to come out there and quit like that. But
you know, Eric sposed said that was embarrassing. That was
embarrassing for the Heat arguingization and but I have faith
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in pat Riley, Alonzo Marning and Eric exposed. They're gonna
fix They're gonna fix it. I mean they would once
Jimmy Butler forced his way out of there. They needed
to get the season over with. I hated an it
ended as badly as did and it was unfortunate, but
they quit.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Steve Kirk came out and said, Draymond Green is the
best defender he's ever seen.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Well, he can say that, but he's supposed to. That's
his player.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
But he's not a better offend defender than Michael Kobe,
Dennis Rodman. He's a terrific defender, but he's not. But
I he gonna just say he gonna say that.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, but you gotta be also honest when you do it.
From the standpoint of he did. He played with Michael,
so he he did see the best defensive player.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
Listen, I think in the moment he got he got
to say the reason Draymond wasn't in the game because
Sengoon was cooking him. He got it from like, you know,
Draymond was in foul trouble. Why was he in foul trouble?
Was cooking him?
Speaker 7 (35:08):
So?
Speaker 8 (35:08):
But listen, Draymond is a heck of a player. He's
a really good player. He's a really good defender. But
I expect coaches to defend their players, I really do.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
He not a better defender than Rodman was when Dennis
was with the Pistons.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
No he was not.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
No, uh, he was not a better defender than Rodman.
I can und percent say that Dennis was amazing.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
But Pippin, to me, was a better defender than Mike.
Scotty could guard everybody.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
Well, he couldn't guard me. Hey, they doubled me with
Harras Grant. Now let's get that out there.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Okay, all right, that's that's fair.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
But you know what, I will agree Scott Scott is
a better defender than Draymond.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I'll give him.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Miss Flowers, who did you love seeing on you? Like?
Speaker 8 (36:02):
I never I never even worried about it, Dan, nobody
you remember back in the day when they had the
Jordan stopper, We used to laugh about that.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Like Gerald, Gerald Wilkins.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
Like are you serious right now? There's no great player.
There's no great player who can be stopped. You can
make him work hard, like you can't stop Jannis, you
can't stop Bird, You can't stop Dominique Wilkins. Uh, you're
not gonna stop me. You're not gonna stop now. You
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can make us work hard. But this notion that you're
gonna stop a great player, that's insane. You're not gonna
stop a great player, period.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
But there wasn't a guy where you go. Because George
Gervin I asked him that question. I said, Ice, who
was the guy that you couldn't wait to see on
the court? And he goes Kevin Greevy. He played for
the Baltimore Bullets. He said, I loved playing against Kevin
Greevy because I knew I was going to score. You
didn't have that guy where you go. I'm putting up forty.
Speaker 8 (37:09):
Well, you know, I felt like I was going to
get double team ninety five percent of the time. I
don't think I never thought that one guy could guard me.
It's interesting when people put up stell photos of me.
A couple of people noticed this. They're like, why aren't
you looking at the defender? I said, first of all,
I'm not even worried about the guy guard me because
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I'm always looking past the defender.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah, if you.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Get a steal photo of me with the ball, I'm
never even worried about the guy guard me. I'm looking like,
where it's the double team coming from? Or where I'm going.
I'm and I didn't even know this one of my friends.
He says, Man, I'm looking at these old photos of
you when you got the ball. You're not even looking
at the guy. I said, Dude, I'm not even worried
about one guy stopping me. I don't care who it is.
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I don't care if it's Rodman. I don't care if
it's Kevin McHale, who's a great defender, Key mckeal, the
best player I've ever played against. I'm not I'm looking like,
is there a double team or what angle am I going.
I'm never worried about one guy stopping me, period. What
if Jordan guarded you. He's too little, he's too little,
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he's he listen, Michael, he can't guard me in the post.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
He's too little.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Did you say that to him?
Speaker 8 (38:27):
I've said it to him a thousand times, little man, late, Hey,
little man, at the wrong place. Hey, I say, little man,
you're at the wrong.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Place, at the wrong Wait. He's taller than you.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
He too little, though he too little?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
He can jump?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, he gonna fly because I'm gonna hit his ad.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
I'm gonna hit him Dad.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
I'm hitting with bowls and hands.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
What was it like when you guarded him?
Speaker 8 (38:56):
I can't guard him. It was really funny, he said.
He actually talked about this one time. We switched out
and I get down on my defensive stands and he
just started.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
He did I switched out and he looked at me.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
He just started laughing and just said, are you serious
right now?
Speaker 4 (39:17):
And he actually passed the ball, but because he was
laughing so.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Hard, Golden State didn't doub when you scored fifty six.
Speaker 8 (39:28):
And you know what's really funny about that. I had
I think twenty four twenty six the first quarter. So
I'm running by the bench and I said, Nelly, you
better double me. He says, nope. After I get like
the first ten the first quarter, I said, Nellie, are
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you gonna double me? He said, not all night. I'm
not gonna w So I got like twenty four the
first quarter. Basically, I think I had twenty ate the
first half, and I'm screaming at nell Nelly, you better
double me, and he's screaming at me, not a chance.
I'm w Byron Houston's too little, Chris galling too little.
(40:12):
It's so funny cause Nelly was amazing and I'm screaming
at him, are you gonna double me? He's like, I'm
not gonna do all night. And that's absolutely a true story.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
That was your high fifty six Yes, in uh.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
In a in uh and uh.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
I think that was the game. We because I was
already man, because Nike made a commercial with me. Well,
Chris Webber dunket on me and so.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
We uh did he bring the ball around his back?
Speaker 8 (40:45):
And then yeah, my mind said to me, I said,
Chris is not a great free throw shooter. I'm gonna
file him. So I reached for the ball to file
him and he took it. I was gonna take a file.
He took him behind his back and dunked on me.
And it was a three point play. So night can
calls me and say, hey, can we use this in
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a commercial? I said, of course, I'm not upset about it.
I get everybody's been dunked up. So then when they
when the commercial come out and Chris is, well, I
don't care what anybody said, You're my role model. He's
laughing in the barbershop I said, Oh, I got to
make him pay for that. I got to make him
pay for that.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
A side topic, what is Bill Belichick doing?
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Well?
Speaker 8 (41:36):
This is a very slippery subject for me because Bill
is one of my really good friends. I don't I'm
not sure what's going on. Uh, you know, he's been
a great friend for me for a long time. I'm
we've been friends since he coached for the Browns. I
think he got to be very careful right now. This
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is starting to be on a very slippery slope. He's
the greatest football coach ever for him and Nick Saban
for college, Nick Saban for Bill the NFL. Yeah, I
from what I'm hearing, it's starting to be a very
slippery slope. And I never talk about people's personal relationships.
That's another rule I got. But I will admit I'm
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a little concerned with some of the stuff that's going on,
and I might actually reach out to him and make
sure everything's good. But I am concerned from what I'm hearing,
because yeah, it's not a good look right now, I'll
admit that.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
And he's such a control freak, but he's relinquished control.
It feels like that's what's surprising to me.
Speaker 8 (42:43):
Yeah, listen, man, I have very strict rules on things
about don't ask me no personal questions. Nobody in my
family can speak. No, I'm the one who's famous. I'm
the one who have to deal with all the crap. No,
don't say anything, because if you say something, it's just
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gonna muddy the water.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
That's what I call it.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
If any family members speak out, it's just going muddy
the water.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
And yeah, I'm a little concerned.
Speaker 8 (43:14):
I'll admit that because because you know, he's my friend
through good, bad and whatever, and I just hope he
I hope everything's all right.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Whenever I see you doing those Capital One commercials you
got Spike Lee, it dawned on me the last time.
Could Spike ever play basketball?
Speaker 3 (43:33):
No?
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Okay no, And let me tell you something.
Speaker 8 (43:36):
There's two people who I work with are the best
at what they do. There's a guy named Joe Picka,
who's one of the greatest directors of all time. The
second one is Sam Jackson. They are the two best
I've ever worked with when it comes to making commercials
because they know what works. Like sometimes both of those
guys we're shooting the commercial, they're like, now, that sucks.
(43:59):
We're not gonna do it like that. Joe Picker and
Sam Jackson, They're like, no, And Sam was like, who
wrote this craft? Who wrote this crack? And he says,
that doesn't work, it doesn't make any sense. Let's do
it like this. But those are the two best I've
ever worked with as far as knowing what works on camera.
Joe pick and Sam Samuel L. Jackson, they are the best.
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But Spike, Spike, Spike has zero athletic ability.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Zero.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
All right, I just wanted to know.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
No, zero athletic ability.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Are you golfing today?
Speaker 1 (44:37):
No?
Speaker 4 (44:37):
We got.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
It's kind of hard because you know, we worked at
two in the morning and I have to get up
early to play because you know, we got to be
back in the studio about six o'clock tonight. So I'll
start playing next week, to be honest with you, because
once we get teams eliminated.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
We have a lot.
Speaker 8 (44:55):
We work every night, but we have some nights we
have like one game, but right now we still have
two games going to two in the morning, So I'm
not golfing right now.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Shock had to go to the bathroom the other night.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Oh man, that was hilarious. Wasn't it. But you know
what's so funny, Dan, he's not even my age yet.
Speaker 8 (45:16):
You know, like back probably five or seven years ago,
if I had to go to the bathroom, like if
I was watching something on television, I can hold it.
And like once I got like fifty five, you can't.
And he's getting that age now, like, yeah, if you
try to hold it, it's gonna come out on his own.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Yeah. So I told him, I said, welcome to old
time age. Brother. You can't when you gotta go, you
gotta go. Is that simple?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
We gotta go. Great to talk to you again. Thank you, Chuck.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
All right, brother, thanks for having me. You take care
of you that brother,
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Luke decoc is the columnist sports columnist for The Roleigh
News and Observer who joins us on the program. Luke,
good morning. What was your reaction when you watched the
interview on Sunday Morning with Bill and his girlfriend?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
The fact that they put in the clip of her
objecting to talking about their meet cute, Like, if you're
in the business, right you massage sources and can we
talk about either There's a not a quick pro quote,
but a negotiation that happens there and you know that
stuff does not make it on screen. So the idea
that they would show that and make it part of
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their interview suggests that, like their producers, whatever their limit is,
she went so far across it. And imagine, like I
love to think about the idea of UNC saying, oh no,
we have another Jordan brand crisis, and here we are.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
He's not even wearing a UNC.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
What sure?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Right, He's wearing this navy T shirt or whatever it
is with a hole in it. She's got a navy
sweatshirt on. It's like, you're going to embarrass us and
you can't even represent the brand, right, so, I mean,
it's just like, even before we knew who she was
or cared who she was, this whole thing has just
been ludicrous. And now that we got into this sort
(01:21):
of off field Instagram media polishing, whatever you want to
call it, it's just like that, there's not a big
enough tent to.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Throw over the circus right now?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
What is your biggest concern? Let let's just look at
her role. You know, Bill is relinquished control, and he
was a control freak when he coached, you know, in
the NFL. And let's just look at it football wise.
With this team. What concerns you here?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, I mean that you know, they've got sort of
a average level college staff. They've got room for all
of his you know, his kids, and Mike Lombardi's son
is on the staff, and former players.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I I wrote that they're kind of looting Chapel Hill
like Halibert and looted Bagdad. But the reality is you
and c kind of asked him to do this. They
gave him the giant bag of money. He's just spending it.
It's just it's hard to portray yourself as the thirty
third NFL team like nobody's thought of this before when
you've got all this other stuff going on, you know,
and like, all right, they're gonna practice without numbers on
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the jerseys, and it's like they're acting like they just
invented the steam engine. And it's just like, you know,
college football is not a sport that's lacked sort of
innovation or coaching, introspection or over coaching, the idea that
you're gonna come in and just be smarter than everyone else.
We certainly haven't seen that bear fruit yet. You know,
they lost their best defensive linem into the portal. The
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quarterback they ended up buying in the portals from South Alabama. Look,
he made me very good, you know, certainly cam Ward
jumped up levels and other guys have, but you're still
it's still South Alabama and going up against now ACC
future NFL cornerback. So there are a lot of sort
of questions just on a football side of things, and
they're or from the moment he was hired, this is
a program that hasn't won an ACC title in forty
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five years. Basically, the age gap between him and Jordan
is how long it's been since they've won an ACC title.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
You're killing it. Here, Luke, I like this, the are
they going to do a Jordan brand logo with her?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I think my sense is, you know, the Athletic had
a story today about how the hard Knocks thing fell,
or really sort of the TikTok and not really a
why or how, but sort of that the hard Knocks
thing fell. Apart my senses, North Carolina has spent more
man woman person hours on Jordan Hudson related issues in
the last four months than they ever possibly could have expected. Lawyers,
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pr people, athletic department people. I mean, I wrote a story,
a column a couple of weeks ago about they've got
a dozen people listed on the UNC system staff payroll
website who are identified as members of the football staff.
This sort of Michael Lombardi's team. The GM office, the
front office identify as football people on social media, u
(04:02):
n C, the athletics. They're not on the athletic department website.
Their hirings have never been announced, and when I asked
the athletic director's chief of staff what was going on,
her response was, we're looking into it. So it's like
Rocco Lampone building his secret regime and the Godfather. Nobody
really knows what's going on. There's no oversight as far
as anyone can tell. And this whole thing is kind
(04:23):
of you know, it's it's like a Tesla on auto drive.
You just don't know what it's gonna hit first.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Okay, the local media and their availability or bills availability
to you is what.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
About what you'd expect. We talked to him before the
start of spring practice, we talked to him when he
was hired. As far as I know, maybe you know,
Micha Lombardi has been available once on signing day. He
spoke to the fans on their their spring game. They
did practice like a pro like he used to do
with the Patriots. He spoke to the fans, but not
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to the media.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So it's it.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
It took him two months to the u UNC his
own internal podcast, so you know, even the stuff that
the school wants him to do hasn't exactly been easy coming.
But I think we all expected that, right, Like this
is there's no NFL access rules here. You're not required
to meet after a OTA or a certain number. You know,
he's it says in this contract he has to fulfill
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media responsibilities, but there's absolutely no way.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
To enforce that.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So you know, we may not even who knows. We
may not talk to him after practices in August, we
may not talk to him after games. We may only
talk to him after games. That's that's all up in
the air right now. It's it's but in that respect,
it's it's sort of been what you expect.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Is Luke decoc He covers North Carolina football, He covers
sports there in the Raleigh, North Carolina area, Raleigh News
and observers sports columnists. I wanted to be fair to
Belichick in this situation. If I was in the chair,
I'm interviewing him. She's interrupting, like she is becoming part
of the story, but the story is supposed to be.
(06:00):
Has written a book about winning football games, not about her.
But when does she become fair game in this story,
in the CBS story where you have to include her.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
That's a terrific question. And like I have not written
about her, I have not written a column about her.
I've mentioned her when he got hired. That is, you know,
girlfriend was sitting with these trustees to sort of push
this higher through because it you know, look, football coaches wives,
and he coaches wive and he coaches husband if you
want to, you know, they have an impact on these things.
But like typically, you know, Mac Brown would always refer
(06:36):
to you know, Sally and I made the decision to
come back, and he genuinely believed that it was a
team partnership there. But you didn't get the sense that
Sally was vetting his interviews or watching film at night.
And you know, I mean, at this point, would anyone
be shocked if Jordan Hudson posts on Instagram I'm so
excited Bill has decided to switch to a bass nickel.
This is going to be great for the football program.
(06:57):
Like no, no one would at this point. So when
you starts to it, like as I mentioned earlier, UNC's
brand is at stake here. They hired Bill Belichick to
sell tickets and put butts in seats and eyeballs on
screen as much as win football games. And when it
becomes a side show, when your athletic department becomes a
Jordan Hudson management program instead of a football program, that
(07:19):
when that is when it becomes a story. And the
fact that I haven't actually sort of put pen to
paper yet is really a function of the fact that
the Carolina Hurricanes are in the playoffs, and we had
a double overtime game last night, and that's soaking up
a lot of my attention. But the CBS News interview,
to me, where you start raising questions about what this
meet cute that was supposedly established on the plane with
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the book, and now she's saying, we won't talk about that,
and there are questions about, you know, who's actually in
charge here. You know, I think that to me starts
to cross that rooticon of this becomes a football issue.
You know, can Bill Belichick focus on winning at a
program that you know has come close so many times
under Butch Davis and Larry Fedora and Mac Brown twice.
(08:01):
If he's you know, promoting a book and doing all
these other things, what's Bill Belichick's focus and what's her
role in directing that focus? The fact that a football
coach doesn't know what's on social media about him, as
he claimed in the CBS. These guys care about what's
on the monitors in the lunch room like they dictate
every single aspect of a program. That's true in the pros,
it's true in college. So there's a lot of sort
(08:22):
of questions now that need answers, and to me, that's
that's the line you cross, right, that becomes not writing
about his personal life, which obviously there are people who
write about his personal life for a living. But for
me as a sports columnist, when it sort of gets
into decision making and who's in charge, what does this
mean for the football program? You know, there is a
line that's crossed there.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Would you rather sit down and interview Bill or his girlfriend?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I would still like to know from Bill why you know?
I asked him that at his initial press conference, at
what point in your mind did you sort of switch
from I this is how I would run my next
NFL program to oh, how would I run a college program?
It was literally the only good answer he gave him
that entire press conference. But I want to know, like,
what possesses you at this age with a young girlfriend
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who you guys seem to be having the time of
your lives out there. You know, even if she's calling
the shots, he seems to be, you know, seems to
be working for him in that respect, Why would you
want to take on a program that is, you know,
at a basketball school that faces huge structural hurdles. I mean,
there's a reason why neither North Carolina or NC State
(09:30):
or Duke has won an ACC title in football in
thirty years, when they've won national titles and gone to
final fours in literally every other sport women's lacrosse, field hockey,
women's basketball, wrestling, swimming. All three schools have been in
the final four the last five years in men's basketball.
So football has been this outlier. And we can go
on forever about why that is. It has to do
(09:51):
with so many football programs in a state, plus Tennessee
and South Carolina and Clemson all skimming the cream off
the top. But the reality is, why would you take
that on. You have a very good life, wait for
an NFL job to open up, be a GM you know,
write books about how you're the greatest winner and greatest
leader ever. Don't go to this perennial sleeping giant football program.
(10:12):
And plus maybe, you know, maybe if someone offered me
this much money to do what I would to.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Over under one and a half years for Belichick at
North Carolina under.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I thought you were gonna say wins. Oh that was
gonna push me.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That's quick answer there, Luke.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
It's going to be a beautiful disaster.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Dan like a monkey flying a seven thirty seven. We
all know how it's gonna end, but we don't know
how we're going to get there.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
How about a round of applause for Luke's Appearencey John,
Thank you, Luke, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Luke to Cock, his columnist for the Raleigh News and Observer.
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That's Covino and Rich like you to bring in Ross Chucker,
Good buddy, Ross. First question, what's Bill Belichick doing?
Speaker 8 (12:06):
Dan?
Speaker 5 (12:06):
I have no idea. I mean, if you would have
told me or any of us that played for the
Patriots that at someday he'd be doing an interview and
there would be anyone, you know, I mean, anyone forget
it being a how old she is, twenty four year
old young woman, anyone to the side kind of telling
(12:27):
him what to say, what not to say, what topics
they can talk about, what they can't. That is not
the guy that we played for now, that was a
long time ago. That was two thousand and five, two
thousand and six for me, so it's like twenty years ago,
but it's very, very surprising to see someone else having
(12:49):
this level of control and or involvement with what coach
Belichick does.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
How much of a control freak was he when you
were in New England?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Well, I don't know. On scale one to ten, he
was a twenty, you know, I mean, picture of this,
Dan'll you'll appreciate this. Okay, two stories I'll tell you
about Belichick and his desire for control. Every morning he
would walk on the treadmill Incline and he would read
the clips of everything that was said about the Patriots
(13:23):
and everything that was said about the opponent. And then
the first time you meet with the media as a
player is Wednesday at lunch. So in the Wednesday morning
team meeting, he would tell you exactly what the storylines
were for the week, what questions you're going to be asked,
and what your response was to be. So we played
(13:44):
Jacksonville in the five wild card round and was gonna
be really cold in Foxborough. So the first thing he said,
he said, they're all gonna ask you about the weather.
Weather's no factor. It's the same for both teams. I mean,
he was by far the most conscious of and involved
in media relations of any coach I was ever with,
(14:08):
which I thought was fascinating that he cared that much.
I didn't really understand why he cared that much, but
he micro managed any comments that any players made to
the media. So it's really interesting that now see him
on the kind of wearing the other shoe, and now
he's the one more or less being micromanaged with these
(14:29):
media interviews.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
He's Ross Tucker and the Ross Tucker Football podcast also
calls games for CBS Westwood One, and you can check
him out on social media at Ross Tucker NFL. Let's
look at the draft here. How should Travis Hunter be
used his rookie year?
Speaker 5 (14:47):
That is the million dollar question. I love that the
Jaguars went up to get him, but you can't move
up and give up that many assets unless he is
going to play both ways and you feel like you
have a good plan for him to play both ways.
I know, you know, Dan, I did that Colorado Colorado
(15:08):
State game last year for CBS. I'm on record on
my show and elsewhere are saying he's the best college
football player I've ever seen. So forty plus years of
watching college football, you know, what the uptempo offenses. He
was playing over one hundred and twenty snaps a game.
That is just nuts. And I'm fascinated to see whether
(15:31):
or not he can play both at nearly as high
of a level in the NFL. He has the chance.
I'm not going to do the whole James Gladstone thing
where like, you know, a belief in football, and I'm
not going to give you the speech that the Jaguars
GM gave, But he has the potential to be like
the Steph Curry of football. Dan. You know how you
(15:53):
go to like a sixth grade cyo basketball game now
and these kids are all shooting like twenty five foot
three because of Steph Curry. If Travis Hunter can do this,
all these five star recruits are gonna tell Ohio State
and Alabama. I want to play both ways. I want
to be on both sides of the ball. I mean,
this guy might change the sport. The interesting thing in
(16:15):
particular with Jacksonville. Would you rather have a guy that's
very good at two positions or elite at one? And
everybody agrees that you're better off being a full time
corner and a part time receiver. But most people will
also tell you he's further along as a receiver. I
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think the Jags needed a corner more than anything else.
I think he's a full time corner and they already
have Brian Thomas from last year. He'll be a part
time receiver who I think they feel like they'll get
a lot of value out of.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Clearly, but I think that considering what they gave up
to go get him, he has to play both positions.
Like I have to get a show Heyo Tani out there.
I have to have people who show up and they
want to see him as a receiver and a defensive back.
I think that's that's lost in a lot of people
(17:10):
in how they assess this and like, hey, I love him,
I think he's great, but I also am in the
entertainment business. I got to have him out there playing
both both sides of the ball, there's no doubt.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
And of course he's from Georgia, played high school ball
in Florida, so he's got the connections down there as well. Locally.
I think that's how the Jaguars look at it. Number One,
he gives them a tremendous amount of buzz with the
new regime. From a business perspective. But number two, I
think what they would tell you Dan is yes, we
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gave up next year's first round pick. Guess what next
year's first round pick is Travis Hunter the cornerback, this
year's first round pick with Travis Hunter the receiver. I
truly believe that that's how they look.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
At Okay, give me your theory on Shid or Sanders slide.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Well, there's a couple things there. Number one, I think
the biggest thing then, and you know this, like the
way you conduct yourself, the way you treat people, it matters, right.
I haven't talked about this that much just because I
don't think it's that big a deal. But it's a
small story.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Right.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
So last year, I think you know, I did that
Colorado Colorado State game for CBS. I referenced it with Hunter, right,
But I was doing Bills Dolphins on radio Thursday night
for Westood one. But I wanted to make sure I
was locked in for the TV game. I flew out
on Tuesday night to Denver. I was told that I
could talk to Shador after Wednesday's practice for Colorado. I
(18:42):
go to the practice, I'm in Boulder. After the practice,
I'm told, well, he got banged up against Nebraska. He
needs to get treatment. Can't meet with you, but he'll
meet with you Friday at the production meeting. Okay, no problem,
go to Buffalo, do the game. Fly back Friday production meeting.
We talked to Dion, he was great. The coordinators no Shador.
(19:04):
We weren't really given a reason, but we did not
talk to Shador at the production meetings, which, as you know,
starting quarterback, especially a high profile player like that, very unusual.
I walk out of the hotel and there's a pickup
truck in front of the hotel and Shador was just
sitting in the back of the pickup truck, and I
kind of regret not going up to him and just
saying introducing myself, Hey, sh I'm Ross's nice to meet you,
(19:29):
or ask him why he didn't do the production meeting.
But it just made me wonder Dan Like people asked
me NFL people asked me after that game, what did
you think of Shador? And I said, I didn't get
to talk to him. Maybe he's the greatest kid ever,
maybe he's a bad kid. I don't know. But I
told them the story and they just kind of nodded
their head. And it just made me wonder, Dan, how
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many stories are there like that in which Shador did
things that were not customary, he did things non traditionally.
It certainly seems like that was the deal with a
lot of the combined interviews and meetings with teams, and
especially at that position. I think it makes him very
nervous that already in college he was getting out of
(20:15):
things that you're supposed to be doing. What's he going
to be like if he's a first round pick in
the NFL draft?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
But if he had cam Ward's talent, would we be
overlooking all of this?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
If he had cam Ward's talent, he still would have
been a first round pick. I think that the Titans
would have taken cam Ward instead of him, meaning the
in tangibles, the way he carries himself, that stuff matters.
But if he was that talented, I believe the Browns
at two, the Giants at three, they would have taken him.
(20:49):
Because also, that's the other part of this. You're okay
with having that level of attention if it's your top
five pick, your starting quarterback. That goes along with that.
Once the Giants decided they like Dart more than Shador
and the Saints decided they like Shuck more than Shador, which,
(21:09):
by the way, a lot of people came on my show,
the Rosslucker Podcast and said they had Dart ahead of
Shador or they had Shuck ahead of Shador. So I
can live with those. But once those three teams made
that decision, then he was only gonna get drafted to
be a backup. And we know this from Kaepernick from Tebow.
Nobody wants the most high profile player on the team
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to be the backup quarterback. Nobody wants a lightning rod
polarizing backup quarterback. And I gotta tell you, Dan, No,
I have no proof of this. I'm convinced that Aaron
Rodgers told the Steelers, hey, I'm coming, I'll play for you,
but don't take the Sanders kid, because Aaron doesn't want
to deal with that. Aaron doesn't want the first time
he has a bad game people calling for the Steelers
(21:51):
to put Shador Sanders in. Whether he said something or not,
I will believe forever that Aaron Rodgers made it known
to the Steelers he did not want you Door Sanders
in that quarterback room. And I have to deal with that,
and what might be his last year in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I'll leave you with this, and the more I've thought
about it, the more I'm surprised at this. They didn't
have an agent for Shudor. You have Dion, who is
a big cheerleader for his son. His son is listening
to his dad pump him up. His dad during Super
Bowl week is talking about I've talked to teams and hey,
I might be steering him in a different direction here.
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All of this is going on, there's nobody really to
tell him what reality is because you're there at Colorado
with your dad, You're driving an expensive car, You get
to do what you want, Like, that's not reality. This
is reality when you go to talk somebody and they
want to know who you are, not who your dad is.
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They want to know can you do this? What am
I getting here as a person? And that's what really
surprises me that it doesn't sound like some but he
was there to be that voice who was going to
be the contrarian to say, hey, you didn't interview, well, hey,
this is what I'm hearing, because I think reporters were
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really nervous of giving the true story of what was
going on, because I think you had one who came out,
Maybe it was Todd McShay, and all of a sudden,
it's like, hey, I'm hearing he had a bad interview,
and the blowback was, oh, now we're coming out and
going after shador I even said it on the show.
It feels like there was this smear campaign going on
(23:34):
quietly and then all of a sudden it start. Now
it's coming to the surface. But I kept thinking, where
is this coming from? And then we finally found out
there are some people attaching their names to what was
going on. I'm just amazed they didn't have somebody who
was going to play the bad cop to everybody's good
cop in this situation.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Well, and not only that, Dan, you just made a
fantastic point, because every guy with an agent, they get
prepped for the combine interviews. So not only is it
the part where he could have had someone to tell
him the truth after the interviews or during the pre
draft process, it's pretty clear nobody told him how to
(24:14):
conduct himself in those interviews, and he failed them miserably.
I mean, I've had people say that he went into
those interviews Dan as if he had the leverage right,
as if he was in control of the situation. Boy,
that does not go over real. Well, yeah, those guys
imagine being you interview one hundred guys at the combine,
(24:36):
only one of them acts like a you know what,
doesn't stink and acts like he can control and say
whatever he wants to say. He didn't have someone to
prep him properly for those interviews, and it cost him dearly.
I mean, we learned this spring how important the pre
draft process is for quarterbacks especially see I mean Quinn
(25:01):
yours and these guys going down, chucking, Gabriel going up.
What you do in the spring, Yes, after the season,
it matters.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just I was told that there was
a scenario where Shador made the person people interviewing him
feel like you got to recruit me. Yeah, like I
I'm not sure if I want to go to your team.
Why don't you tell me why I want to go
to your team? There was that sense of entitlement. Now
(25:31):
that was one situation. I don't know what happened elsewhere,
but you're right, it does play. It did play a
pretty big role here. Great to talk to you as always,
Thanks for joining.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Us, of course, great, see you, Thank you man.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
That's Ross Tucker.
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Speaker 2 (25:55):
He is the star of Inside the NBA Hall of
Famer Charles Barkley back on the program, Chuck, good to
see you finish this sentence. If the Lakers lose tonight,
dot dot dot.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
The Lakers.
Speaker 8 (26:12):
I told you two months ago, six weeks the Lakers
are on a good team. They got two really really
good players, but they're not a good team. ESPN just
swings on them like they choked, like everything chased like chicken.
But the Lakers is not a good team. They're gonna
lose either this round or next round, but more likely
this round. But they just they're not very good.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
What do you think the future? And like if you're
let's say you're Luca and you look around, JJ didn't
play anybody off the bench. Lebron's got maybe two more
years left.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
If you're the Lakers are not going to be a
contender with the team they have now, your best player
can't be forty or I just don't think that's the
that's makes no sense whatsoever. Yeah, your best player can't
be forty. I mean, and JJ was wrong the other
(27:07):
night to play those guys entire second half because number one,
it's probably gonna affect them tonight.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
It definitely affected them down the stress the other night.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
You know, both of those guys missed layups and they
made some mental mistakes with the ball. So no, it's
this is not the Lakers year. And people think I
hated the Lakers. I told you, I said, Lakers on
a good team. But ESPN was just swinging on him
like they were damn King Kong and so.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
But if but if you're Luca, do you want to stay?
Do you want to re sign? If you're looking around
at what you have with the Austin Reeves a nice player,
But what are you going to build on when Lebron's gone?
Speaker 8 (27:47):
Well I don't know the answer to that question, first
and foremost, but I don't think he can go anywhere.
I mean, he's gonna be a Laker probably for life
from this point going forward. Okay, I was then and
then you know, the clowns of the ESPN they always
make me laugh.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Because you aren't you going to be working there?
Speaker 8 (28:08):
And yeah, but there you know, I'm gonna be a
straight shooter. It's interesting how they were discussing Janni's this week,
like shit, Yannis want to leave?
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
I'm like, I clearly don't remember when I played. I
don't remember saying we need to get Charles Barker some
help in Philadelphia or Phoenix, or Carmelan some help in Utah,
Patrick Ewn some help in New York. I don't remember
guys at the media kissing my ass and calls ass
and Patrick asked like, well, Yanna should want to leave
(28:40):
Milwaukee now because he can't win the championship. I wonder
what all the guys were when I played asking me
to get some help.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
I mean they were kissing I did.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
They were like loving the Lakers, loving loving his Celtics,
loving Michael, loving the Pistons. But I don't remember all
these kiss asses back in the day saying, you know,
we need to get Charles Barkinson help because he can't
win a championship in Philly or Phoenix.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
But it makes me laugh. They're like, no, Joanni's got
to leave Milwaukee.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
You know that already started, Like wow, y'all was concerned
about us other great players back in our day. But
y'all All of a sudden, Now y'all like, oh, Jannis
has got to leave Milwaukee. Now's his championship wasn't no close.
I'm like, man, thanks for helping me out when I
went out there with nobody.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You had a great team in Phoenix.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
We had a really good team.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
You guys should have won the title that year.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
No, Michael was better.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Mike was better, but you guys had a better team
than the Bulls.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
It was a Pickham series, but Michael was the greatest ever.
And then the next two years a team was better
than me when it counted. So hey, listen, all I
wanted one of the reason I got out of Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
I just wanted a chance.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
I had three chances at it, and we lost to
the champl three years in a row. That's all you want.
But I don't want to stack my team ever. That
I mean, I'm will always be against super team period.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
All Right, I'm watching last night you guys after the
Pacers game, and Shack is blaming Yanni's for the altercation,
the incident with Tyre's Halliburton's dad.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Yeah, that was Shaq was one hundred percent wrong and
stupid on that subject. I've never did. I've never seen that.
Number One, I want to thank Tyreech for coming out apologizing,
and then I want to thank his dad for coming
out and apologizing, like, I ain't never seen that before.
In my over forty years in the NBA, I've never
(30:42):
seen a parent.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
You know.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
It was like AAU crap. Yeah, you know how much
I hate AAU. It's like these parents they think they
can scream their kid to the NBA. It drives me
flat crazy, but they apologize. Let me tell you something,
Joannest is one of my favorite players. He became more
(31:05):
one of my favorite players last night because ain't no
way in the hell I wouldn't have clocked his.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Ass, Dare.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Ain't no way I wouldn't have clocked him. And I
ain't trying to be no fake tough guy on television.
There's no way I wouldn't have punched him in the
face when he did what he did. There's no way,
And I say, I ain't trying to be no fake
tough guy. But in the heat of the moment, and
Johannes said it, I didn't know it was his dad.
(31:31):
If a regular fan came on the court and did
that to me a one percent would have punched him
in the face.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Should he get the same punishment as if that was
just a fan in not Tyrese Haliburton's death.
Speaker 8 (31:46):
I don't even know what the appropriate punishment is. Like
I say, I'm glad they both apologized. I'm not sure
what the punishment is. Uh, what's fair?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
How about you keep him away from the first playoff game,
the next playoff game at home?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
I don't think he should be executed, but I think, hey,
you can't come to the next to the next two
games at home.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I think that would be fair.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Or if he wants to be on the court so badly,
he must play five minutes for the Pacers, that.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Would be a great.
Speaker 8 (32:21):
He has to start the game and play the first
quarter for his son, that would be a great punishment.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, he's got to guard Donovan Mitchell. I think that's right.
For five five minutes.
Speaker 8 (32:34):
Hey, he has to play. No, you can break it
up how you want to. He has to play twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
He's Charles Barkley, the Hall of Famer Turner Sports Inside
the NBA analyst. I know athletes hate it when you
know people in my position say somebody quit. So I'm
just trying to come up with a better description for
what the Miami Heat did the other night against Cleveland.
If they didn't quit, what exactly did they do?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Well?
Speaker 8 (33:01):
You know, it's interesting. It's three things I don't like doing.
One thing I would never do said somebody should get fired.
I've made that clear for twenty five years. I'll never like,
I can say they're not doing a good job, but
I would never say somebody should get fired.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
That's just like my number one rule.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Secondly, I don't like using the word choke or quit
because that's that's damning. But the Miami Heat quit in
Game four because if you were not embarrassed after Game three,
you and to come out and play like you did
in Game four.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
The Miami Heat, they quit, they were ready for.
Speaker 8 (33:41):
Can Coon And it was really unfortunate because I have
so much respect for pat Riley, Alonso Marnic and Eric Sposter,
and like I say, the Cavs were gonna win the series,
but to come out there and quit like that. But
you know, Eric sposed said that was embarrassing. That was
embarrassing for the Heat arguingization and but I have faith
(34:02):
in pat Riley, Alonzo Marning and Eric exposed. They're gonna
fix They're gonna fix it. I mean they would once
Jimmy Butler forced his way out of there. They needed
to get the season over with. I hated an it
ended as badly as did and it was unfortunate, but
they quit.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Steve Kirk came out and said, Draymond Green is the
best defender he's ever seen.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Well, he can say that, but he's supposed to. That's
his player.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
But he's not a better offend defender than Michael Kobe,
Dennis Rodman. He's a terrific defender, but he's not. But
I he gonna just say he gonna say that.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, but you gotta be also honest when you do it.
From the standpoint of he did. He played with Michael,
so he he did see the best defensive player.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
Listen, I think in the moment he got he got
to say the reason Draymond wasn't in the game because
Sengoon was cooking him. He got it from like, you know,
Draymond was in foul trouble. Why was he in foul trouble?
Was cooking him?
Speaker 7 (35:08):
So?
Speaker 8 (35:08):
But listen, Draymond is a heck of a player. He's
a really good player. He's a really good defender. But
I expect coaches to defend their players, I really do.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
He not a better defender than Rodman was when Dennis
was with the Pistons.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
No he was not.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
No, uh, he was not a better defender than Rodman.
I can und percent say that Dennis was amazing.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
But Pippin, to me, was a better defender than Mike.
Scotty could guard everybody.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
Well, he couldn't guard me. Hey, they doubled me with
Harras Grant. Now let's get that out there.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Okay, all right, that's that's fair.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
But you know what, I will agree Scott Scott is
a better defender than Draymond.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I'll give him.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Miss Flowers, who did you love seeing on you? Like?
Speaker 8 (36:02):
I never I never even worried about it, Dan, nobody
you remember back in the day when they had the
Jordan stopper, We used to laugh about that.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Like Gerald, Gerald Wilkins.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
Like are you serious right now? There's no great player.
There's no great player who can be stopped. You can
make him work hard, like you can't stop Jannis, you
can't stop Bird, You can't stop Dominique Wilkins. Uh, you're
not gonna stop me. You're not gonna stop now. You
(36:35):
can make us work hard. But this notion that you're
gonna stop a great player, that's insane. You're not gonna
stop a great player, period.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
But there wasn't a guy where you go. Because George
Gervin I asked him that question. I said, Ice, who
was the guy that you couldn't wait to see on
the court? And he goes Kevin Greevy. He played for
the Baltimore Bullets. He said, I loved playing against Kevin
Greevy because I knew I was going to score. You
didn't have that guy where you go. I'm putting up forty.
Speaker 8 (37:09):
Well, you know, I felt like I was going to
get double team ninety five percent of the time. I
don't think I never thought that one guy could guard me.
It's interesting when people put up stell photos of me.
A couple of people noticed this. They're like, why aren't
you looking at the defender? I said, first of all,
I'm not even worried about the guy guard me because
(37:31):
I'm always looking past the defender.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah, if you.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Get a steal photo of me with the ball, I'm
never even worried about the guy guard me. I'm looking like,
where it's the double team coming from? Or where I'm going.
I'm and I didn't even know this one of my friends.
He says, Man, I'm looking at these old photos of
you when you got the ball. You're not even looking
at the guy. I said, Dude, I'm not even worried
about one guy stopping me. I don't care who it is.
(37:58):
I don't care if it's Rodman. I don't care if
it's Kevin McHale, who's a great defender, Key mckeal, the
best player I've ever played against. I'm not I'm looking like,
is there a double team or what angle am I going.
I'm never worried about one guy stopping me, period. What
if Jordan guarded you. He's too little, he's too little,
(38:19):
he's he listen, Michael, he can't guard me in the post.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
He's too little.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Did you say that to him?
Speaker 8 (38:27):
I've said it to him a thousand times, little man, late, Hey,
little man, at the wrong place. Hey, I say, little man,
you're at the wrong.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Place, at the wrong Wait. He's taller than you.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
He too little, though he too little?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
He can jump?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, he gonna fly because I'm gonna hit his ad.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
I'm gonna hit him Dad.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
I'm hitting with bowls and hands.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
What was it like when you guarded him?
Speaker 8 (38:56):
I can't guard him. It was really funny, he said.
He actually talked about this one time. We switched out
and I get down on my defensive stands and he
just started.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
He did I switched out and he looked at me.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
He just started laughing and just said, are you serious
right now?
Speaker 4 (39:17):
And he actually passed the ball, but because he was
laughing so.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Hard, Golden State didn't doub when you scored fifty six.
Speaker 8 (39:28):
And you know what's really funny about that. I had
I think twenty four twenty six the first quarter. So
I'm running by the bench and I said, Nelly, you
better double me. He says, nope. After I get like
the first ten the first quarter, I said, Nellie, are
(39:49):
you gonna double me? He said, not all night. I'm
not gonna w So I got like twenty four the
first quarter. Basically, I think I had twenty ate the
first half, and I'm screaming at nell Nelly, you better
double me, and he's screaming at me, not a chance.
I'm w Byron Houston's too little, Chris galling too little.
(40:12):
It's so funny cause Nelly was amazing and I'm screaming
at him, are you gonna double me? He's like, I'm
not gonna do all night. And that's absolutely a true story.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
That was your high fifty six Yes, in uh.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
In a in uh and uh.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
I think that was the game. We because I was
already man, because Nike made a commercial with me. Well,
Chris Webber dunket on me and so.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
We uh did he bring the ball around his back?
Speaker 8 (40:45):
And then yeah, my mind said to me, I said,
Chris is not a great free throw shooter. I'm gonna
file him. So I reached for the ball to file
him and he took it. I was gonna take a file.
He took him behind his back and dunked on me.
And it was a three point play. So night can
calls me and say, hey, can we use this in
(41:08):
a commercial? I said, of course, I'm not upset about it.
I get everybody's been dunked up. So then when they
when the commercial come out and Chris is, well, I
don't care what anybody said, You're my role model. He's
laughing in the barbershop I said, Oh, I got to
make him pay for that. I got to make him
pay for that.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
A side topic, what is Bill Belichick doing?
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Well?
Speaker 8 (41:36):
This is a very slippery subject for me because Bill
is one of my really good friends. I don't I'm
not sure what's going on. Uh, you know, he's been
a great friend for me for a long time. I'm
we've been friends since he coached for the Browns. I
think he got to be very careful right now. This
(41:57):
is starting to be on a very slippery slope. He's
the greatest football coach ever for him and Nick Saban
for college, Nick Saban for Bill the NFL. Yeah, I
from what I'm hearing, it's starting to be a very
slippery slope. And I never talk about people's personal relationships.
That's another rule I got. But I will admit I'm
(42:20):
a little concerned with some of the stuff that's going on,
and I might actually reach out to him and make
sure everything's good. But I am concerned from what I'm hearing,
because yeah, it's not a good look right now, I'll
admit that.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
And he's such a control freak, but he's relinquished control.
It feels like that's what's surprising to me.
Speaker 8 (42:43):
Yeah, listen, man, I have very strict rules on things
about don't ask me no personal questions. Nobody in my
family can speak. No, I'm the one who's famous. I'm
the one who have to deal with all the crap. No,
don't say anything, because if you say something, it's just
(43:05):
gonna muddy the water.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
That's what I call it.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
If any family members speak out, it's just going muddy
the water.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
And yeah, I'm a little concerned.
Speaker 8 (43:14):
I'll admit that because because you know, he's my friend
through good, bad and whatever, and I just hope he
I hope everything's all right.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Whenever I see you doing those Capital One commercials you
got Spike Lee, it dawned on me the last time.
Could Spike ever play basketball?
Speaker 3 (43:33):
No?
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Okay no, And let me tell you something.
Speaker 8 (43:36):
There's two people who I work with are the best
at what they do. There's a guy named Joe Picka,
who's one of the greatest directors of all time. The
second one is Sam Jackson. They are the two best
I've ever worked with when it comes to making commercials
because they know what works. Like sometimes both of those
guys we're shooting the commercial, they're like, now, that sucks.
(43:59):
We're not gonna do it like that. Joe Picker and
Sam Jackson, They're like, no, And Sam was like, who
wrote this craft? Who wrote this crack? And he says,
that doesn't work, it doesn't make any sense. Let's do
it like this. But those are the two best I've
ever worked with as far as knowing what works on camera.
Joe pick and Sam Samuel L. Jackson, they are the best.
(44:21):
But Spike, Spike, Spike has zero athletic ability.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Zero.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
All right, I just wanted to know.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
No, zero athletic ability.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Are you golfing today?
Speaker 1 (44:37):
No?
Speaker 4 (44:37):
We got.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
It's kind of hard because you know, we worked at
two in the morning and I have to get up
early to play because you know, we got to be
back in the studio about six o'clock tonight. So I'll
start playing next week, to be honest with you, because
once we get teams eliminated.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
We have a lot.
Speaker 8 (44:55):
We work every night, but we have some nights we
have like one game, but right now we still have
two games going to two in the morning, So I'm
not golfing right now.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Shock had to go to the bathroom the other night.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Oh man, that was hilarious. Wasn't it. But you know
what's so funny, Dan, he's not even my age yet.
Speaker 8 (45:16):
You know, like back probably five or seven years ago,
if I had to go to the bathroom, like if
I was watching something on television, I can hold it.
And like once I got like fifty five, you can't.
And he's getting that age now, like, yeah, if you
try to hold it, it's gonna come out on his own.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Yeah. So I told him, I said, welcome to old
time age. Brother. You can't when you gotta go, you
gotta go. Is that simple?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
We gotta go. Great to talk to you again. Thank you, Chuck.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
All right, brother, thanks for having me. You take care
of you that brother,
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