May 9, 2025 • 58 mins
Director and Knicks superfan Spike Lee discusses this Knicks playoff run and previews his new film Highest 2 Lowest. HOF Sports Broadcaster Bob Costas criticizes the Pirates' persistent mediocrity and shares his thoughts on Pete Rose's HOF chances. ESPN Commentator Pablo Torre shares new details of Bill Belichick's situation at UNC amidst reports of growing unease. Hockey HOFer Mark Messier breaks down why scoring is up in today's NHL and debates which NBA legends would've made great enforcers on the ice.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Caves are three point favorites against the Pacers tonight, Thunder
five point favorites at the Nuggets, the Celtics five point
favorites against the Knicks tomorrow, and the Timberwolves five point
favorites against Golden State. Longtime Knicks fan, film director, producer, screenwriter, actor, author,
two time Academy Award winner, and got a new movie
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coming out later on this fall. We'll ask about that
Highest and Lowest, starring Denzel Washington Spike Lee back on
the program. How's morale? How are we feeling going into tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Dan?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
First of all, good morning, How you doing?
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Good man?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Good, Good to see you well. The forecast is orange
blue skies at the world's most famous arena.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
Mattison Square Garden. You nervous, No, this is gonna be
divine intervention. Hint hint, hint.
Speaker 7 (01:10):
You know what I'm talking about with the Pope. Yeah,
the Villanova alumni.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Is this a bigger win for Villanova than or then?
When Villanova won that last n C Double A championship?
Speaker 6 (01:24):
WHOA All I can say is, well, people, you know,
people say we have a one s the seven, two, seven,
eight three season, and it takes a miracle to rick
the snide.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I was at the last.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Roanche Stadium when that ball rolled through Buttoner's So I'll
take anywhere you can get.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Can anything ease the pain of what happened in four
in the Alcs for you with the Yankees and the
Red Sox.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Oh, and with h.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
When they came off a hit of a great believer? Yeah,
what's the Dodgers manager?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
He stole second base?
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Right, Dave Roberts, Dave Robinson.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I don't know, Maybe that MEF a.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Bumper, but I remember talking to you when the Yankees
were up three to one. Then I was doing Sports Center, right,
and you were along the first baseline, uh seats there
in the first baseline.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
You go, who do you like? I said, I like
the Red Sox. I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Next game, I see you, who do you like? I said,
I like the Red Soxe. Oh, I don't want to
hear that. Then you saw me the next time and
you said, who do you like? I don't even want
to hear it. You're gonna tell me the red size?
I like the Red Size. Did you ever get over that?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Only when people like you. Remind me, it's my job.
Those are memberies you you wanna yeah, flush, you know,
you know, like the Reggie Miller.
Speaker 8 (03:08):
You know that.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
You know that you try to, you try to. It
comes up though, but it's not. It's not the top
of the.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Head.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
So when did you first learn to hate the Celtics?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
It's anything.
Speaker 8 (03:28):
I'm a New Yorker, that's that's just you.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Learned that in kindergarten. Either and author vice versa. You
can ask that question Bostonians. You know, we don't. It's
it's a great robbery, Boston, New York. Any sport.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
How was that?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Oh? The Pages were undefeated going to the Super Bowl
and Manningham damn. You know, you know you knew to
answer that question.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I did, I did.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
But I think Bostonians look at the Knicks and Nick
fans and go, you guys haven't done anything. We won championships,
So maybe how many Yankees have?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Twenty seven?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Thank you?
Speaker 8 (04:21):
So what are you saying?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Well, no, I'm just talking about the Celtics Knicks rivalry.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Oh, but it's Boston, New York. It is Boston, New York.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Have you ever talked to Brady about those Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Oh, here's Oh, I forgot what Super Bowls was. But
his din't wife was screaming, my husband can't throw a
bone custom.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
But this past year rep the season game. Uh, Tom,
it's that courtside. So the NIXT gave him a football
to sign and he would throw up into this fans.
So he says, spike him over here. I'm gonna throw
you the ball first, and you throw it back to
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me and I throw it up in his stance. I'm
five six.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
And a half.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, you're in the size of Edelman.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
No, I'm smaller. So he must have throw his throwing
the drunk.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
That ball sailed.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Oh well before that, before he threw the boy did like.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
This, Oh tapped your head near your helmet?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
No, David Tyree Tyree, Yeah no.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
But I like to say, is Tom's a great guy,
great guy, great guy.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
He's Spike Lee the movie The Highest to Lowest, starring
Denzel Washington.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
That'll be Uh. Do you have a release date on them?
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Yes, August twenty second nationwide. But also we're going to
the can Film Festival May nineteenth, So I believe in
how things supposed to be May nineteenth, nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Was the world premiere Do the Right Thing in Can.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
May nineteenth, twenty five will be Malcolm X on the
birthday Denzil on Denzel's on Broadway during Othello Them and
the only day Broadway is dark is on a Monday,
and this May nineteenth is a month, is a Monday.
So Denzil be able to come the can. So we're
very happy about that.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
When did you know it worked? Clicked with Denzel.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
The first film Mo Better Blues.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
So in order Mo Better Blues, Malcolm X he got
Game and Inside Man. And the funny thing is that
Denzel and I both did not know Inside Man was
nineteen years ago.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I mean time flies. I mean I didn't know. He
didn't know.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
But but our relationship is really great and it's what
specials that we don't really hang out. We might see
each other when the Lakers in l A. I see,
I said, when the Lakers into the garden, he comes
this spike, let's go.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
So but when we see just like we saw each
other yesterday. So that's the desa you know relationship.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Who's the other players you considered for he got Game
other than Ray Allen, Well.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
My brother all Iverson did not not did not want audition.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Rehearsal, rehearsal.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Oh no, he didn't say.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
No, I'm kidding. Hey, AI is loved baby. You know
I love it and I love you. Uh, they were.
Here's the thing that he got game. I was like
a town scout because Jesus Shuttlesur is a senior Abraham
Lincoln High School, Corney Island. So I had to look
at the people, look at the players who are going
to be in the draft. Also look at the players
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in the league already but still looked like they could
play they were.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
In high school. So I made the list and I
had auditions.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
And the thing is that I needed someone who who's
gonna dedicate the whole summer. Now, you know those athletes
when it's off season, he gotta take a break whatever.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But Ray said I'll do it. So Ray did not.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
We didn't finish the film till the day before he
had to report the camp for George Carters on Milwaukee Buckstand.
So he teamed dedicated himself for the role. And Garry
always asked me, we we're gonna have a heat game. Two,
We're gonna have a shigat game. But I don't think
so I mean that the film is.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
What it is and so far not done any sequels.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, we fall in love with sequels, and I don't
know if Hollywood does as well, because hey, if it
was successful, then you know, ever.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
God Father took unchallenged?
Speaker 8 (09:12):
What god Father too?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
What's the second best sequel? M?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yeah, I'm stumped. Right there, I'm stumped.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
But Francis he olds the crown for that.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Shout out to Francis.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Did you consider Stephan Marbury for He Got Game?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Well, there's a.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
Big controversy and me and Steph were cool. You know
that stuff has been squashed. I see all the games
all the time of the garden, but somehow people were
thinking that.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
That this He Got Game was about step On it
and that's not really the case.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
The reason why I chose a Lincoln High schoo because
for years they had the best basketball team public school.
And also even tho I didn't grow up a Corne Island,
my highest friend went to was John dou was in
Corney Island. So that's that's really you know what it was.
I did not want it was not or biographical or
I made of this character. Jesus has worked who his
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father has been locked up for accidents, accidentally killing his mother.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
We had Barkley on recently and I asked him what
kind of game you had? He said, Spike can't play well.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
First of all, I can't play. He's never seen me
play basketball.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
So this is.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
I mean, now, back in the day softball, I go
first to third. I was, I was, I was. I
was the fastest kid in my block.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
So you were Vince Coleman going from first to third.
Jackie Robinson, Oh, Jackie Robinson. You know there are no
great softball movies. So maybe you come out with a
softball heah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I mean, hey, you're gonna get exhibited.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Right, Okay, so you do have you had some basketball game?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I mean I don't playing a team.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Uh in New York City depended with softball, stoop ball
two and touch.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
I mean it's just was just playing in the street.
Speaker 9 (11:28):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Did you ever play against Prince No?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Okay, no, I heard. I've taught people say he could ball.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
He could I mean he could play, and also he
was a great he knew the game too. One of
my best moments, the NBA said Prince Night together at
in the All Star Game when it was in New
York and we just a famous people looking online and
he has his cane and it was we would just
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talking basketball and having a great time.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
And I miss him. I miss him very much.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I was at the NBA Finals in Chicago. Loose ball.
Rodman goes forward out of bounds. Prince is there with
his bodyguard. Rod Rodman, you know, gets the ball and
he walks over to Prince and he said, uh, hey,
we should go out after the game. Well, Prince doesn't
acknowledge him. You have to go through the bodyguard to
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them and talks to Prince. So Rodman's like talking to him,
and Prince didn't say anything. And then the bodyguard says,
you got to you gotta go through me, and then
Rodman waved him off and then walked back on the floor.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Well, I think that was a good decision.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
This movie with Denzel highest to Lois uh So asap,
Rocky's in here.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Yeah he he could. It gives a magnificent performance. And
this film is not a remake. It's a reinterpretation of
the great film High and Low by the great Japanese
filmmaker director a cure At curs out.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
So, and that was back in the sixties.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Mid nineteen nineteen sixty the great Tishan Muffoon, who did
many many films with curs Out is a He's executive
at a shoe factory. And in this film, Denzel Washington
is a music mogul who's noticed having the best gears
in the business. So we shot this in the in
the streets of the great scenior world, weather York. For
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those six Spanish you know, I'm talking about Weather York
and my fifth film with Denzel. And it's a blessing.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But not nervous pairing somebody like Denzel with asap no
a is done.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
He's not, he's not his first film and Hell auditioned
and and then I'll just tell you he's from Harlem, so.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
He's not afraid, not afraid.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
He's from Harlem Uptown.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I know you were just on Carmelo Anthony's podcast and
they're talking about retirings Jersey. What about Bernard King.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Or the Knicks?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Mean, right, Yeah, here's the thing. Bernard is one of
the greats, but the neighbor But Bernard grew up in
my neighborhood, Fort Green. This hospital Fort Green called Cumbon Hospital.
Bernard was born there. Albert King, Mike Tyson, and Michael Jordan.
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They're all born in the hospital. My neighbor was Fort Green, Brooklyn. Wow, yeah, Bernard,
I mean those years.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I mean it is this.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
I wish they had better. I wish medicine was for
the long so they were not. The operation he had
his knees would have made him come back, and he
really wasn't physically the same.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
We came back for the love.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
But I don't know why the New York Nicobokers has
not retired. Bernard King's jersey should be hanging from the raft.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Of the world's most famous arena.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
He was an bucket square guard.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
He was a bucket man. He was a bucket every
time Fort Hamilton High School? Yeah yeah, Uh. How would
you celebrate if the NIXT winning title?
Speaker 5 (15:42):
What would it? What would a title mean to you?
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Well, May nineteen seventy I was at Game seven, the
Willis Reed Game. I was thirteen years old and I
just need one before I leave this earth. And I'm
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telling you, when I read the popes, he said he's
alumni Vanilla of Illanova.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I said, oh my, it's a plump, Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Oh but but listen to though. Let's think a little headed.
It could be a Minnesota Nick Final. Got my boy
dot thee Villanova guys.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
So this might be the year you're going to church
on Saturday. Well I'm not Catholic, but I might go
back to y.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Might go to abys Church and Marlow and get on
my knees. Oh Lord Jesus give us.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
But here's the thing though. You know.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
When the Mets won the World Series in nineteen sixty nine,
I ran on the field in Game five, like twenty
thousand other crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Kids, you know game back then those were day games.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
We're split in Baltimore and my range three and four
Shay Stadium, Queens. And my mother said, you're going to school.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
My father said, no, he ain't. He's going to Kase Dayton.
The Mets got away. What do they call the miracle Mets?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
So miracles have happened in sports hockey with the you
know the going on.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
It has happened, and we are long over, Duke.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Good luck on Saturday. All right, good to talk to
you very much. Thank you many, Take care.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
All right.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
That's Spike Lee and his movie coming out in August.
Highest to Lowest with Denzel Washington asaf Rocky is also
in it as well.
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Speaker 11 (19:51):
I'm good, Dan, and rest assured I will not make
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cruise from this appearance. Okay, they do great stuff there,
not to belabor it. You could actually see someone in
conversation with Larry David or Paul Simon, that kind of thing.
And now I guess they've dipped down in rank. They
didn't have anybody else for Mother's Day night, so it's
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made this time.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Pirates have fired their manager. Yeah, and I'm wondering.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Could you do a two tiered system and maybe have
and it's the haves and the have nots. Could you
do relegation maybe where you know, bottom half team maybe
they move up, or what I mean, what are you
supposed to do in Pittsburgh, once great baseball town?
Speaker 11 (20:34):
You know, the only thing that brings to mind that
would be comparable. Remember, I'm old enough to remember you
were a younger child, if you were here at all.
But in nineteen sixty seven or whatever it was, when
the NHL expanded, you had the original six and all
the expansion teams went into one division six and six
and that actually sparked a hockey graze in Saint Louis
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because the Blues were the worst of that second I'm sorry,
the best of that second division. And they went to
the Stanley Cup finals twice and acquitted themselves well even
though they lost. So that's the only comparable thing I
can think of. But here, I think is the real answer.
If you're the Pittsburgh Pirates, and if you're a long
suffering fan, and then you're right. They have a great
baseball history. They have one of the best ballparks in
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the Major leagues, and they flounder constantly. Think about this, though, Dan,
there are ten teams in the two central divisions in
the major leagues, only one of them is in the
top half of payrolls. That's the Cubs at tenth Next
is the Tigers at seventeenths. Half of the six playoff
teams last year in the American League came from the
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al Central, the Tigers, the Royals, and the Guardians and
the Twins, who have now had the trap door open
on them. But the Twins were barely outside that group.
They were alive in the last week. Other than the Cubs,
in theory, who is going to greatly outspend the Pirates
in the National League Central. One of the things that
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degates the admittedly large payroll gaps in the major leagues
is the third wildcard. You know, whether you like it
or not, you can say, hey, if we can win
eighty five eighty six games, we got a chance to
get into the postseason. And the history shows even the
Dodgers they lost to the Padres two three years ago,
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they lost to the Diamondbacks, and they were down two
to one to the Padres last year before they rallied
to win the Division Series. It's not a guarantee that
the best teams and the highest payroll teams make it
through to the World Series if you can just get
into that tournament. So I don't want to be harsh,
but what's the Pirate's excuse. They play a huge percentage
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of their games within the National League Central with other
teams that aren't running away from them payroll wise, and
you've got a second and third wildcard. You don't have
an excuse to be this bad, this consistently for this long.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, and I don't know what you know, Derek Shelton
was supposed to do. You know, yeah, you do have
a couple of players, and we tend to look at
these teams. Some of these teams, we go, point, who's
he going to be with his next contract? You know,
Paul Skins is not going to retire at Pittsburgh Pirate,
which now is not it's a shame, but you know
that's just modern day baseball here.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 12 (23:21):
You know.
Speaker 11 (23:21):
On the other hand, if Derek Shelton was lucky enough
to have management like the Colorado Rockies have and this
is on a knock on Bud Black at all, Bud
Black is a very respected baseball guy as a pitching
coach and as a manager, and he had the Rockies
in the playoffs several years ago. But they start out
with no chance. They leave spring training with no chance.
But they don't have the benefit, if you want to
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call it that of being in a weaker division. They're
in a division where the other four teams vary from
good to very very good. And they're playing a huge
number of their games in that division and they're like
one hundred and eighty games out.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
Even though it's only on two game season.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
They got six wins so far.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, I was wondering about the timing of show, Hey,
Otani coming back to pitch, and if if you're the Dodgers,
you don't want to push this. And if you're Otani,
I know that that's your identity, but still, I mean
there's a real risk here. If I'm the Dodgers, I
don't want to lose you as a hitter, and having
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you as a pitcher, I may not need you as
much as a pitcher. But I don't know if Otani's
locked in and says, hey, but this is who I am.
I'm the two way player, and I want to continue
to do this.
Speaker 11 (24:33):
I think there is an element to that, and it's
part of what leads him to sign with whatever team
he signs with. Obviously, the Dodgers have the greater financial
wherewithal of them able to structure the deal that worked,
But part of it is I want to do both,
so I don't think they can deny him that. But
they do have this luxury, whatever it is. The Dodgers
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are a great organization, but they have injuries to their
pitching staff every year team does, but they have them
out of all proportion. They'll start out with ten guys,
all of whom could be in at least some team's rotation.
Now four of them are healthy, and even when we
get to October, we're throwing bullpen games in the playoffs.
So I don't know what they're doing with their medical
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staff or their training staff, but at least they have this.
They're so good even in that division, that they can
slow walk a lot of guys. Clayton kersher through like
six to seven perfect endings the other night in the
minor leagues. They're slow walking him back, and who knows,
he may be a reliever for them rather than a starter,
and maybe the answer for Otani is, we don't want
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you to go out there looking to throw six innings,
which is the modern complete game. Maybe we use you
out of the bullpen, and that's the way to do it.
But they have the luxury of knowing they're going to
be in October, be playing in October, and just trying
to pull it all together by then. They don't have
to pull it all together by the All Star break.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Talking to Hall of Fame broadcaster Bob constas, who haven't
you interviewed or who have you interviewed?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
You'd like maybe another sit down with well.
Speaker 11 (26:05):
You know, the holy grail has always been Sandy Kofax
in sports. Sandy was always very, very gracious to me.
I asked him a couple of times, this goes back
more than twenty years, and he never had someone else
make the call. He always called me back personally and
he said, if I ever do it, I'll do it
with you. And after a while I began to realize
I'm at the front of a line that never moves.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
Thanks well, that I thought, Sandy.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
But he did do one thing with us, and I
thought he might for this specific reason. All Star Game
in Cincinnati a decade ago, and they named them Mount
Rushmore of living baseball players, and it was Willie Hank,
Johnny Bench and Coofax. And I said, Sandy, if it's
just the four of you and you're talking amongst yourselves, will.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
You do it?
Speaker 11 (26:53):
And he did And he was great in that sit
down anecdotal joking with the guys. You could see they
were energy guy and all I had to do was
just toss it out there and then sit back and
let them talk among themselves. So I think Kofax would
be one of the guys in sports. You know Jack
Nicholson who's in the winter of his years now and
(27:13):
seldom appears in public. But Jack Nicholson fascinating guy, enormous
star for thirty forty years. He always said, I don't
do television interviews. I'm a movie star. Leave your house,
you go into a darken theater, you pay your money,
the phone doesn't ring, and you sit there and watch
me on a big screen. Why do I want to
(27:35):
be sitting with Johnny Carson while you're looking through your
toes as you're lying in bed.
Speaker 8 (27:39):
But I'm not going to do that. It diminishes the mystique.
Speaker 11 (27:42):
So the only time you saw him on television regularly,
was sitting courtside at a Laker game. So it brings
me to this nineteen ninety two NBA Finals Portland against
the Bulls and Nicholson is shooting in PAFA on site
in Chicago. So he's Jack Nicholson. He can get good seat.
They weren't at half court. They were on the base
line underneath one of the baskets, and Dick Eversol and
(28:05):
Terry on Dieola were the producers. They spot him there
and I'm not calling the games, Marvis calling the games.
I'm upstairs at the old Chicago Stadium to do the
pregame and the halftime. So they say, Pop, do you
know Jack Nicholson, Well, i've met him, I don't know
him not. Well, go down and ask him if he'll
come on at halftime. I'm like, this is the greatest
fools errand of all time. Don't you know that Johnny
(28:27):
Carson just left the Tonight Show and he wouldn't go
on the last book with Johnny Carson When people were
lined up around the block to make one more uppear,
go down, you owe it to us and go okay fine,
So I slept myself down and I wait for the
four minute time out and I walk up behind him. Dan,
I swear I tap him on his right shoulder, and
he turns around like this, and the first glimpse of
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him is like the first time you see him in
the shining face. Then he softens a little bit and
he goes, I wish I could do a decent of
a thing.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
He goes, Oh, hi, bomb Jack, just play along. Here
they're watching.
Speaker 11 (29:04):
I'm supposed to ask you if you'll come home with us,
And I swear this is what he said.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
Verbata bikes up. I'm editing one.
Speaker 13 (29:10):
Word, bomby Bobby. You're a nice kid and you do
good work. How can I put this? No, Jack, I'll
take that as a no during the rest of the game. No,
I got a whole ass.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
Time.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
At least he was very respectful.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yes, I told my audience to keep an eye on
this because I think there's something there. When President Trump
got together with Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred and this Pete
Rose situation, it feels like this is something that Donald
Trump wants to happen to at least get Pete on
the ballot. And I think there's other things at play
(29:55):
that the Commissioner may want or need from the President
as well. I think Pete's going to get on the
ballot at some point. It feels like, what do you think.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
Two things here?
Speaker 11 (30:09):
First, of the ballot part, in theory, they'd have to
put him directly into a veterans committee unless they changed
their rule. Okay, because anyone who is more than fifteen
years removed from having played can't be on the ballot.
And of course if you were on the ballot for
ten years, then you wait a little while and they
throw you into a veterans committee. Now, if they're going
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to take Pete off the restricted list or whatever it is,
the ineligible list, then in theory they could also say,
wait a minute, he was never on the writer's ballot.
Let's have the writers vote on it rather than sixteen
people in a veterans committee situation. By the way, if
you're going to take Pete off on that basis, which
consider taking shoeless Joe Jackson off on that basis He
(30:52):
was briefly on the writer's ballot and didn't make it.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
But you could put him up for consideration too. But
those are signs to your point. I don't know.
Speaker 11 (30:59):
This was I haven't talked with Commissioner Manfred about it,
but you know, baseball has an anti trust exemption. The
Trump administration seems quite willing to interpret things their own
way so or to pursue certain legal actions that others
would not. So the anti trust exemption is important to baseball.
(31:22):
It protected them greatly before they finally Marvin Miller and
company finally broke through and got rid of the reserve clause.
But it still has some value to them. And then
who knows. And I'm only speculating here. I'm not saying
it's true. But obviously there are great many foreign players
in Major League Baseball. Does Trump's immigration policy perhaps in
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some way affect their comings and goings. I'm not saying
it does, but these are all things that perhaps Manford
and Trump would be would be discussing.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yep, that's how I see it. I think it's going
to happen. At least, you know, Pete posthumously is going
to be on a ballot, whether it's the veterans or
you know, they decide to put them on the regular
bound at the writer's bound. Good to talk to you again,
have fun this weekend.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
That's Bob Costas ninety second Street y in New York City.
That'll be seven Eastern coming up this Sunday as Bob
looks back on his forty plus years in the business.
Online in person tickets available at ninety two and why
dot Org when we come back. What's going on with
Bill Belichick's girlfriend at North Carolina? We have some news
(32:33):
about that coming up.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern, six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Could be some changes at North Carolina with Bill Belichick
and his girlfriend. We'll have that story for you coming
up here momentarily. Craig and Wisconsin. Hi Craig, what's on
your mind today?
Speaker 12 (32:58):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Could you be Bob Costas in an arm wrestling matchup?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I don't know, Given the health of my shoulder, maybe not,
but I mean I would certainly try and give it
my all.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I was just curious to say, I have an idea
on how we can take care of Draymond Green. I
think he's an awful basketball player.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
No, he's a really good basketball player. He just has
control issues.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Well, I did a Google search for Kermit Washington, and
Kermit Washington is seventy three years old, and I was
thinking possibly front off of Silks that Minnesota Timberwolves can
find him on for one game.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
All right, thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Craig Kerman Washington punched Rudy Tom Johnovinch, So I guess
that's what Craig is getting to.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Not funny. David in Ohio, Hi David, what's on your
mind today?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Hey? Dan?
Speaker 14 (34:08):
You guys her talking about the pope, and I think
it's time for Gary Doones to town for his sins.
Go to confessional Toads. We've had four popes since the
last Cowboys super bul Dictree.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
All right, thank you to He's Pablo Torri, ESPN commentator,
contributor to Around the Horn PTI PTI, and Pablo Tory
finds out podcast Metal Arc Media and apparently he found
out a little more than we realized about what's going
on with Bill Belichick and his girlfriend at North Carolina. Pablo,
(34:43):
good to see you. What did you find out? What
did Pablo Torre find out? Dan, good to be with you.
Really good to see you as well.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
I on my show.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
For those not initiated, I take stupid things sometimes extraordinarily seriously,
and so I spent months of my life in the
Jordan Hudson rabbit hole. I talked to eleven people who
dealt directly with her, and a.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Couple of things.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
Number one is that there was an enormous meeting at
the University of North Carolina where the athletics department had
to have a meeting with the football people and say
that Jordan Hudson cannot be the face of our program anymore.
She cannot be on the field, she cannot be around
the building. She has taken too much when it comes
to the airspace around how people think of the coach,
(35:31):
the greatest coach in football history, arguably who when they
hired him to be the highest paid coach in the history, Well,
forget about any present day North Carolina stats. Just the
highest paid public employee in the state of North Carolina
right now. It was the opposite, right, They had no
idea this was coming. Everybody is now actively worried, including
(35:53):
I can also report members of Bill Belichick's own family
that a thing that takes decades to build reputation premise
don leadership and discretion and privacy and discipline and every
other term that now feels like it's the opposite of
what his reputation is now in this news cycle. They
feel like that's being destroyed. And it's because he gave power,
(36:14):
the power to run his new media empire now that
he has been freed from the NFL for the first
time in decades. He gave that to a woman whose
age has actually been misreported a lot I also learned,
but we can now say is actually today twenty four
years old.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
What's Bill's reaction, any public reaction to this.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
It's hard to discern because she is the person who
is on the emails, on the texts, is often ghostwriting,
so his reaction will be mediated, I believe with her.
I will point out that in New York City, where
I live, on Wednesday, there was a talk that Bill
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gave to promote his book, the book that was disastrously,
you could argue non promoted at the CBS Sunday Morning Fiasco.
He gave a talk and Jordan wasn't there. There might
be something like a deliberate, if not not to borrow
the terms of like another Hollywood separation, not quite a
conscious uncoupling, but certainly a public difference in how they
(37:16):
are presenting her omnipresence. And yeah, what I can tell
you is that family members of Bill see this as
something that is They have been investigating.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Her too for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
If the CBS interview doesn't play out like it did,
do you think there's any change within North Carolina with
her role with Bill.
Speaker 9 (37:40):
The fascinating thing about Belichick is that he has this
inner circle people who have insulated him as best they
can from all of these concerns, right, And so I'm
going to say, spoiler alert answer to your question is no.
And the reason is because he is a football creature
with a bunch of frankly yes men around him, Matt Patricia,
Josh McDaniels. That's how they were described to me, not
my datorial judgment. And the CBS thing sept Seeped has
(38:06):
some septic but also seeping vibes to it. It got
inside of his bubble, right that book, the tabloid avalanche
happening because she did something that and you know this, Dan,
a SAVVYPR person doesn't do actually, which is forget that
she's on tape on camera on Mike interjecting. And I'm
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told also that yes, the reports are true, that there's
thirty more minutes of her interrupting, taking control of an
interview that was supposed to be frankly a puff piece,
an extraordinarily positive thing about this book about his leadership style,
which could then be transferred to non football people.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
That was the premise of it. Ironically, that's what opened.
Speaker 9 (38:44):
The floodgates, man, And at that point it became how
do we deal with this? And at that point lots
of people realized, now is our moment to say what
we've been seeing behind the scenes, which is one of
the crazier sagas.
Speaker 12 (38:56):
Man.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
I haven't even got into some of the other stuff here.
If I can just give you one brief anecdote just
to help illustrate the point here. There was a commercial
that Belichick was filming, a seven figure commercial, not the
Super Bowl commercial, by the way, which we reported also
Jordan Hudson insinuated herself into by representing herself as his
agent to Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, a thing that
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afflic and Damon still talk about to this day.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
By the way that she was.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
In that commercial, that she got paid that they negotiated
with her for belichick separate commercial. Earlier commercial for one
of the podcasts. He was doing seven figure shoots scripted.
She shows up. She's not a person in the public view,
no CBS interview. Yet, none of this stuff has happened.
She shows up and she again wants to be in
the commercial, and she's talking about how this would be
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a hard launch.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
That's the relationship term.
Speaker 9 (39:44):
I've been given a hard launch of their relationship public announcement,
and she says, hold on, I have an idea. She leaves,
some time passes, the shoot actually ends, the real shoot.
She comes back and she's wearing a yellow polka dot
bikini and a sun hat, and she wants to film
a scene where she is by the pool with Bill
trying to get his attention. All this again very on
the nose, the meta and the real. But that happens,
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and everybody there is like, what do we do with this?
Like this is Bill Belichick is not betraying any emotional change.
He's just going along with all of this because that's him.
They're realizing, and they decide we need to do the
thing where we tell her we're shooting a scene. They
grab a camera guy and they proceed to shoot something
that I am told they're not even sure the camera
(40:30):
was on. They point a camera, they have her do
something and they say good, yep, got it.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Good.
Speaker 9 (40:36):
And that's just what it's been like. That was at
the beginning of her taking control of the media empire.
Everything from there is sort of flowing kind of logically
once you hear about that.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
And I said this after the CBS interview, if Bill
has any hopes of getting back into the NFL, this
really hurts you because you're giving control to Bill. But
are you giving control to Bill? And and I would
there's no way an NFL team is gonna go, you know.
I think Bill he now's the time to bring him in.
(41:09):
But in the final thirty seconds, what do you think
is next in this story?
Speaker 9 (41:14):
I think you're gonna see people push back on the
reporting out of North Carolina that I have said, which
is that there was a power struggle in which the
adults had to intervene. I think there will be disagreement
about that. And I think that what is happening to
my phone will continue to happen, which is that it
will continue to melt. I signed up for this, I
(41:35):
get it. Aggregation interviews like this are all great. I
hope people listen to the episode. But I can tell
you that everybody who's dealt with Jordan Hudson, and one
person said, quote, she is the worst person I've ever
dealt with on Earth, and I have dealt with actual sociopaths.
I'm not saying that that is everybody. I'm just saying
this story Dan is extreme, and there's a lot, including
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injectable erectile dysfunction drugs as just a brief tease for
what else we had to find.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Nice he's there. Great to talk to you.
Speaker 9 (42:03):
Thank you, Pablo, as I always dreamed, as I always
dream of.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Course, Pablo Tory. Pablo Tory finds Out podcast courtesy of
Metal Lark Media. Oh my goodness, there's a lot going on,
A lot going on. I don't even know where to
start with it. It's now. I'm not surprised. I had
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somebody who did work with them on a potential commercial
or promotional shoot and it didn't work out. But they
had problems because they were losing creative control. I'm going
to dance around this a little bit, but I was
given a heads up, and in fact I even told
the Danes. I don't know how many months ago that was,
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but That was a while ago where I was giving
a heads up that if you want to do something
with Bill, everything goes through her and she's got creative control.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
All right, two hours in the books. I did not
expect that story today, That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
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Speaker 8 (43:40):
Nobody?
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Speaker 15 (44:25):
Well, we had an update to a pretty hard hitting
controversial poll question earlier. Whose career do you want? Your
options were Spike Lee, Bob Costas, and Mark Messier, and
Bob was running away with that one. We've since updated
it to Spike Lee, Bob Costas, Mark Messier, and Pablo Tourre.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
Okay, all of our guests today correct. Babolatur's got four
point five percent of that vote.
Speaker 15 (44:51):
That is a respectable showing in this group of people
right there.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, you just had a hard hitting report about what's
going on with Bill Belichick and his girlfriend and apparently
she's not allowed to be part of the football festivities
in the building on the football field.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
I wonder how Bill is going to respond to that.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yes, Marvin, that's terrible because she's gonna miss North Carolina
winning five games.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
Wow, Yes, PAULI, I checked Pablo tory no Stanley Cup victories.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
It doesn't act checked though and skate though. By the way,
Caps beat the Hurricanes that series tied to the game apiece.
Oilers beat the Golden Knights five to four in overtime.
Leon Dreysidle has two overtime game winning goals this year
and that ties him with As tikin In for the
most by any Oiler in a single postseason. He's a
(45:40):
former Oiler, Mark Messier joining us on the program mess
Good to see you again. Did Asa Tikinin make his
his hockey debut in the Stanley Cup Final against Philadelphia?
Speaker 5 (45:55):
Does that sound right?
Speaker 12 (45:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 16 (45:57):
Yeah, I think if I remember correctly, I think it
was nineteen eighty seven. If I remember correctly, he came over,
we had an injury. He slotted in and never looked back.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I took my wife to that game. That was one
of our first dates. I was working and I brought
her to Philadelphia and she knew nothing about hockey. End
of the first period, Gretz is on a rush. She
stands up and I almost had I almost got in
a fight because these guys behind me were you know,
(46:33):
m F and her and the whole thing, and she
I said, you got to see Gretzky.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
So we ended up going to that series.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I just remember a satiking in and they were like,
he's making his as hockey debut, NHL debut, and I'm like,
who does that?
Speaker 5 (46:47):
You make your debut in the Stanley Cup Final. Amazing.
Speaker 16 (46:50):
Well he got on the ice and as you know
I said, was quite a tough customer, an agitator. He
had everybody up in arms, everybody chasing them all over
the ice. Philadelphia had a bunch of tough guys. They're
thinking to themselves, who's this rookie from Finland coming in
here and stepping all over our turf. He didn't care.
Speaker 12 (47:08):
He was tough as nails and that's what he made
his whole career on.
Speaker 5 (47:11):
I like the gear you got on.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Let me if you're watching on Peacock mess has a
Game seven. It's a platform here sports and entertainment. So
you're officially licensed NBA apparel. Amazon is where you can
get it right now, hoodies, T shirts, all the teams.
Game seven. Then you're gonna do football, You're gonna do basketball,
You're gonna do WNBA. I mean, you got it all
(47:34):
going on here. So how did this come about very exciting.
Speaker 16 (47:38):
Well, we got an opportunity to a couple of fellows
came into my partner's office and ask him if you
want to invest in their company? He goes, what's your company?
They go, we own all the IP to Game seven.
He called me up and go, do you know anything
about this? I go, I don't, but if they have
what they say they have, we should buy the company.
We did in two years, locking up all the IP
(48:01):
and turrade marks around the world and came up with
a five part series on Amazon Prime about legendary Game
seven moments, building a community. And now we're in the
merch business, partnering with all the leagues, and it's been
an exciting journey for all of us.
Speaker 12 (48:18):
It's been a lot of as you say, it's a lot.
Speaker 16 (48:20):
Of hard work to get to the point where, you know,
we had the five part series come online.
Speaker 12 (48:24):
We're very excited about that.
Speaker 16 (48:26):
But now to be partnering with all the major leagues
with our merchandise is really exciting.
Speaker 5 (48:30):
Yeah you got your next gear on?
Speaker 12 (48:33):
What you gotta have next gear on? Now?
Speaker 8 (48:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
You do? Yeah you do?
Speaker 2 (48:38):
What's that atmosphere Compare the atmosphere of a Knicks playoff
game and a Rangers playoff game when you were playing it.
Speaker 16 (48:46):
I got to see it first ten closed in ninety
four where we both went to the finals and we
ended up winning the Stanley Cup. In nineteen ninety four,
the Knicks are right behind us into the finals, got beat.
It was the city was electric. We had a great
relationship with the Knicks back then. We were very close
with the players. We saw each other in and around
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the city. We supported each other. But when the Knicks
and the Rangers are relevant, when they're in the playoffs,
like we're seeing right now, it's a different feel for
the entire league. Nobody doesn't like New York, the Nick history,
the great players that have come through there, Madison Square Garden,
(49:33):
It's there's nothing like it, and we can see that
happening again now.
Speaker 12 (49:37):
Being up to nothing against Boston Game three is going
to be amazing.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Which NBA player would have been a good hockey enforcer.
Speaker 16 (49:45):
There's a few I grew up watching basketball back in
the in the eighties, when you know the bench, each
team had the bench in it, but they're tough guys
on at the end of the game to kind of
loosen things up.
Speaker 12 (49:57):
Much like hockey parts is coming on there.
Speaker 16 (50:00):
But I remember the Detroit Pistons, you know, I was
fascinated with the Celtics Lakers matchups back and they had
some tough guys that would come on at the end
of the.
Speaker 12 (50:11):
Game when the game was out of hand, and boy, there.
Speaker 16 (50:13):
Was you You you didn't go into that basket uncontested
trying to score late in the game. There were so
many guys that were tough in basketball that would have
been amazing. But you know, Bill Amber, if you want
us to try to, you know, start with one that
was notorious, the bad boys in Detroit through their championship runs.
But those are those are tough guys.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Scoring is up in the NHL. I think this is
the fifth consecutive year and in the playoffs any reasons
or reason.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
Because of that, I.
Speaker 16 (50:48):
Think we did a great job coming out the work
stoppage back in two thousand and six. I believe I
think we recognize that our game, the best part of
a game is a skill in the speed which is
played at We were getting locked down, slowed down by
better coaching and the ability to hook and hold and
(51:10):
slow the player's speed through the neutral zone. We eliminated that.
We took out the red line and opened the game up.
And as we've seen the last you know, fifteen years
or more, the game is so incredibly fast. The skill
level of the players probably never been higher. Every night,
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we're just amazed at what the players can do, the conditioning,
the technology into the equipment. The goaltenders are better than ever,
but we're still finding ways to score. It seems nowadays
that no lead is safe. Like in the you know,
fifteen years ago, if you had a two to nothing
league going the third period, it's pretty much a poor
gun conclusion you're going to win that game.
Speaker 12 (51:50):
But not anymore.
Speaker 16 (51:52):
The rules that we had implemented have really opened up
the game. They've made it more exciting and it's just
a great it's just a great product now to watch
the NHL in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, we had PK Subanh and he said that you know,
the lines, your your third and fourth lines are so
much more talented that there's no let up when you
change lines. You're bringing in guys who could have been
great in the juniors.
Speaker 16 (52:15):
As his score, well, oftentimes you see these guys that
are playing and roll roll or or depth role players
on teams that had the ability to score forty to
fifty goals in junior hockey or even in the American
Hockey League. They come into the National Hockey League and
they got to figure out a way to help the team.
They can't serve pass McDavid or Dreipsil on the Oilers,
(52:38):
even though they could on most teams. So what do
they got to do. They got to figure out a
way to check. They got to figure out a way
to play tough. They got to figure out a way
to be uh, you know, an add add on to
the to the team. But when they do get a chance,
of course, they have that that talent and that ability.
Speaker 12 (52:53):
Uh.
Speaker 16 (52:53):
Teams that go on to win the Stanley Cup have
players in position that are overqualified in the depth positions
in the third and fourth lines. They figure out how
to play a role a much different game than they're
used to because that's what the team requires.
Speaker 12 (53:07):
But when they get a chance, they can score. And
we've seen that in the playoffs again this year.
Speaker 5 (53:11):
Did you ever hit Gretzki.
Speaker 16 (53:15):
Well, it was one of the hardest things for me
as a person and as a player when he got
traded to LA in nineteen eighty eight. You know, we
grew up brothers. We had won the Forst. Stanley Cups together.
He got traded into to the Los Angeles and of
course who do we play the first round of the
playoffs that year was Wayne Gretzky in the La Kings.
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You have to put friendships aside. The problem with that
is that he was not easy to hit. He was
so elusive on the ice. He had the sixth sense
about him that no other players had that's ever played
the game.
Speaker 12 (53:52):
But I became the captain.
Speaker 16 (53:55):
When he left, and the hardest thing to do was
to understand that if I had a chance to put
him in the crosshairs, I was going to finish him.
Speaker 12 (54:03):
But it wasn't easy.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
I've been asking guests here recently, you can start your
team with Ovechkin or Sidney Crosby.
Speaker 5 (54:11):
Who would you pick.
Speaker 12 (54:14):
That's a great question.
Speaker 16 (54:15):
I've always been a massive Sidney Crosby fan from the
time he came into the league. The way he played,
the electrifying open ice player that he was, the work
ethic that he had on in the ice, on and
off the ice away, he represented the game and a
center ice position when you build teams you're built through
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the goaltender, the four defensemen, and the two center iceman.
Speaker 12 (54:43):
They have a player like Sidney Crosby.
Speaker 16 (54:44):
To start an organization that plays a center ice position,
I think is critical because the backbone of any championship
team close through the middle of the ice. And then
you look at Ovechkin with the way he's been able
to do in his career. But I always started in
the middle of the ice, center to two center ice positions,
number one and number two, the four defenseman and the goaltender.
Speaker 12 (55:05):
That's where you build your team around.
Speaker 16 (55:06):
But look at if fovench getting fell in my lap,
I would not be disappointed.
Speaker 5 (55:12):
It might hurt if he fell in your lap, as
big as he is.
Speaker 12 (55:15):
That's true. That's true.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Hey, good luck with business here, good luck with the
playoffs as well.
Speaker 5 (55:20):
It's great to visit with you again.
Speaker 12 (55:22):
Great being on with you, Dan and your track suits
on its way in the mail.
Speaker 5 (55:25):
Oh okay, I like that. When's the last time you
check somebody?
Speaker 12 (55:30):
Oh it's been it's been too long. Actually.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
Uh.
Speaker 16 (55:35):
Even in a little bit of pickup hockey that I
play in, maybe maybe my son or my nephews, I
gave him a little bit they're running too the boards,
playing some pickup hockey.
Speaker 5 (55:43):
Wait, you get out there on the ice.
Speaker 16 (55:46):
I still love to skate as much as I can,
and before COVID we're skating a lot and playing some
little games here and there. But I got to get
back on the ice. It's a great game because it's
low impact and great conditioning. So loved being on the ice.
One of the greatest games into retirement that you can play.
Speaker 5 (56:04):
Well, you're a mar Yonger is still playing, isn't he?
Speaker 12 (56:07):
Well? He I think he is still playing. God bless
him for this career that he's an amazing to keep.
Speaker 5 (56:14):
He's like fifty four, isn't he?
Speaker 12 (56:16):
It's well.
Speaker 16 (56:17):
You know, Gordy How played rand into fifty two and
he was playing in the National Hockey League.
Speaker 12 (56:21):
Yeah, Gordy How.
Speaker 16 (56:23):
I played against Guardy How when I was seventeen years
old in the WHA.
Speaker 12 (56:28):
Man. I couldn't believe it. I was lining up.
Speaker 16 (56:30):
Against Gordy How. My mom and my dad came to
the game and visit. My mom looked at my dad
and go, what the hell did you get him into?
Gordy's gonna kill him.
Speaker 5 (56:43):
Thank you, mass great to talk to you again.
Speaker 12 (56:45):
Great talking to you too.
Speaker 5 (56:46):
Then that's Mark.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Messi, the ESPN NHL Lead Studio analyst hall of famer,
won six Stanley Cups and Game seven. You can find
it on Amazon. So you got Hoodies T shirt. It's
all on Amazon. They're gonna have football, they're gonna have WNBA,
they got everybody. So that's a big deal. And you
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can see him on the Point pregame at seven thirty
Eastern on ESPN in the studio May thirteenth, also in
between periods with the Stars and the Jets. Yeah, it's weird,
you know. I just remember I think a Satkin in
his number was ten, and I just remember them saying, oh,
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he's making his NHL debut in the Stanley Cup Final
on the road in Philadelphia. And I remember I was
at the game and I was there to do interviews
after the game, and I brought my girlfriend who's now
my wife, and I said, you gotta go see Wayne
Gretzky play. She said, yeah, sure. I remember her brothers
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who were big New Jersey Devil fans. They were so
upset that I took her because she didn't know anything
about hockey.
Speaker 5 (57:57):
I said, I'm not trying to date you guys, I'm
trying to date her.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Caves are three point favorites against the Pacers tonight, Thunder
five point favorites at the Nuggets, the Celtics five point
favorites against the Knicks tomorrow, and the Timberwolves five point
favorites against Golden State. Longtime Knicks fan, film director, producer, screenwriter, actor, author,
two time Academy Award winner, and got a new movie
(00:26):
coming out later on this fall. We'll ask about that
Highest and Lowest, starring Denzel Washington Spike Lee back on
the program. How's morale? How are we feeling going into tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Dan?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
First of all, good morning, How you doing?
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Good man?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Good, Good to see you well. The forecast is orange
blue skies at the world's most famous arena.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
Mattison Square Garden. You nervous, No, this is gonna be
divine intervention. Hint hint, hint.
Speaker 7 (01:10):
You know what I'm talking about with the Pope. Yeah,
the Villanova alumni.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Is this a bigger win for Villanova than or then?
When Villanova won that last n C Double A championship?
Speaker 6 (01:24):
WHOA All I can say is, well, people, you know,
people say we have a one s the seven, two, seven,
eight three season, and it takes a miracle to rick
the snide.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I was at the last.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Roanche Stadium when that ball rolled through Buttoner's So I'll
take anywhere you can get.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Can anything ease the pain of what happened in four
in the Alcs for you with the Yankees and the
Red Sox.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Oh, and with h.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
When they came off a hit of a great believer? Yeah,
what's the Dodgers manager?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
He stole second base?
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Right, Dave Roberts, Dave Robinson.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I don't know, Maybe that MEF a.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Bumper, but I remember talking to you when the Yankees
were up three to one. Then I was doing Sports Center, right,
and you were along the first baseline, uh seats there
in the first baseline.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
You go, who do you like? I said, I like
the Red Sox. I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Next game, I see you, who do you like? I said,
I like the Red Soxe. Oh, I don't want to
hear that. Then you saw me the next time and
you said, who do you like? I don't even want
to hear it. You're gonna tell me the red size?
I like the Red Size. Did you ever get over that?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Only when people like you. Remind me, it's my job.
Those are memberies you you wanna yeah, flush, you know,
you know, like the Reggie Miller.
Speaker 8 (03:08):
You know that.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
You know that you try to, you try to. It
comes up though, but it's not. It's not the top
of the.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Head.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
So when did you first learn to hate the Celtics?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
It's anything.
Speaker 8 (03:28):
I'm a New Yorker, that's that's just you.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Learned that in kindergarten. Either and author vice versa. You
can ask that question Bostonians. You know, we don't. It's
it's a great robbery, Boston, New York. Any sport.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
How was that?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Oh? The Pages were undefeated going to the Super Bowl
and Manningham damn. You know, you know you knew to
answer that question.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I did, I did.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
But I think Bostonians look at the Knicks and Nick
fans and go, you guys haven't done anything. We won championships,
So maybe how many Yankees have?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Twenty seven?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Thank you?
Speaker 8 (04:21):
So what are you saying?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Well, no, I'm just talking about the Celtics Knicks rivalry.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Oh, but it's Boston, New York. It is Boston, New York.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Have you ever talked to Brady about those Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Oh, here's Oh, I forgot what Super Bowls was. But
his din't wife was screaming, my husband can't throw a
bone custom.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
But this past year rep the season game. Uh, Tom,
it's that courtside. So the NIXT gave him a football
to sign and he would throw up into this fans.
So he says, spike him over here. I'm gonna throw
you the ball first, and you throw it back to
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me and I throw it up in his stance. I'm
five six.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
And a half.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, you're in the size of Edelman.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
No, I'm smaller. So he must have throw his throwing
the drunk.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
That ball sailed.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Oh well before that, before he threw the boy did like.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
This, Oh tapped your head near your helmet?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
No, David Tyree Tyree, Yeah no.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
But I like to say, is Tom's a great guy,
great guy, great guy.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
He's Spike Lee the movie The Highest to Lowest, starring
Denzel Washington.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
That'll be Uh. Do you have a release date on them?
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Yes, August twenty second nationwide. But also we're going to
the can Film Festival May nineteenth, So I believe in
how things supposed to be May nineteenth, nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Was the world premiere Do the Right Thing in Can.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
May nineteenth, twenty five will be Malcolm X on the
birthday Denzil on Denzel's on Broadway during Othello Them and
the only day Broadway is dark is on a Monday,
and this May nineteenth is a month, is a Monday.
So Denzil be able to come the can. So we're
very happy about that.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
When did you know it worked? Clicked with Denzel.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
The first film Mo Better Blues.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
So in order Mo Better Blues, Malcolm X he got
Game and Inside Man. And the funny thing is that
Denzel and I both did not know Inside Man was
nineteen years ago.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I mean time flies. I mean I didn't know. He
didn't know.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
But but our relationship is really great and it's what
specials that we don't really hang out. We might see
each other when the Lakers in l A. I see,
I said, when the Lakers into the garden, he comes
this spike, let's go.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
So but when we see just like we saw each
other yesterday. So that's the desa you know relationship.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Who's the other players you considered for he got Game
other than Ray Allen, Well.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
My brother all Iverson did not not did not want audition.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Rehearsal, rehearsal.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Oh no, he didn't say.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
No, I'm kidding. Hey, AI is loved baby. You know
I love it and I love you. Uh, they were.
Here's the thing that he got game. I was like
a town scout because Jesus Shuttlesur is a senior Abraham
Lincoln High School, Corney Island. So I had to look
at the people, look at the players who are going
to be in the draft. Also look at the players
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in the league already but still looked like they could
play they were.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
In high school. So I made the list and I
had auditions.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
And the thing is that I needed someone who who's
gonna dedicate the whole summer. Now, you know those athletes
when it's off season, he gotta take a break whatever.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But Ray said I'll do it. So Ray did not.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
We didn't finish the film till the day before he
had to report the camp for George Carters on Milwaukee Buckstand.
So he teamed dedicated himself for the role. And Garry
always asked me, we we're gonna have a heat game. Two,
We're gonna have a shigat game. But I don't think
so I mean that the film is.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
What it is and so far not done any sequels.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, we fall in love with sequels, and I don't
know if Hollywood does as well, because hey, if it
was successful, then you know, ever.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
God Father took unchallenged?
Speaker 8 (09:12):
What god Father too?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
What's the second best sequel? M?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yeah, I'm stumped. Right there, I'm stumped.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
But Francis he olds the crown for that.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Shout out to Francis.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Did you consider Stephan Marbury for He Got Game?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Well, there's a.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
Big controversy and me and Steph were cool. You know
that stuff has been squashed. I see all the games
all the time of the garden, but somehow people were
thinking that.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
That this He Got Game was about step On it
and that's not really the case.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
The reason why I chose a Lincoln High schoo because
for years they had the best basketball team public school.
And also even tho I didn't grow up a Corne Island,
my highest friend went to was John dou was in
Corney Island. So that's that's really you know what it was.
I did not want it was not or biographical or
I made of this character. Jesus has worked who his
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father has been locked up for accidents, accidentally killing his mother.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
We had Barkley on recently and I asked him what
kind of game you had? He said, Spike can't play well.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
First of all, I can't play. He's never seen me
play basketball.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
So this is.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
I mean, now, back in the day softball, I go
first to third. I was, I was, I was. I
was the fastest kid in my block.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
So you were Vince Coleman going from first to third.
Jackie Robinson, Oh, Jackie Robinson. You know there are no
great softball movies. So maybe you come out with a
softball heah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I mean, hey, you're gonna get exhibited.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Right, Okay, so you do have you had some basketball game?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I mean I don't playing a team.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Uh in New York City depended with softball, stoop ball
two and touch.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
I mean it's just was just playing in the street.
Speaker 9 (11:28):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Did you ever play against Prince No?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Okay, no, I heard. I've taught people say he could ball.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
He could I mean he could play, and also he
was a great he knew the game too. One of
my best moments, the NBA said Prince Night together at
in the All Star Game when it was in New
York and we just a famous people looking online and
he has his cane and it was we would just
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talking basketball and having a great time.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
And I miss him. I miss him very much.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I was at the NBA Finals in Chicago. Loose ball.
Rodman goes forward out of bounds. Prince is there with
his bodyguard. Rod Rodman, you know, gets the ball and
he walks over to Prince and he said, uh, hey,
we should go out after the game. Well, Prince doesn't
acknowledge him. You have to go through the bodyguard to
(12:30):
them and talks to Prince. So Rodman's like talking to him,
and Prince didn't say anything. And then the bodyguard says,
you got to you gotta go through me, and then
Rodman waved him off and then walked back on the floor.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Well, I think that was a good decision.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
This movie with Denzel highest to Lois uh So asap,
Rocky's in here.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Yeah he he could. It gives a magnificent performance. And
this film is not a remake. It's a reinterpretation of
the great film High and Low by the great Japanese
filmmaker director a cure At curs out.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
So, and that was back in the sixties.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Mid nineteen nineteen sixty the great Tishan Muffoon, who did
many many films with curs Out is a He's executive
at a shoe factory. And in this film, Denzel Washington
is a music mogul who's noticed having the best gears
in the business. So we shot this in the in
the streets of the great scenior world, weather York. For
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those six Spanish you know, I'm talking about Weather York
and my fifth film with Denzel. And it's a blessing.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But not nervous pairing somebody like Denzel with asap no
a is done.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
He's not, he's not his first film and Hell auditioned
and and then I'll just tell you he's from Harlem, so.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
He's not afraid, not afraid.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
He's from Harlem Uptown.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I know you were just on Carmelo Anthony's podcast and
they're talking about retirings Jersey. What about Bernard King.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Or the Knicks?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Mean, right, Yeah, here's the thing. Bernard is one of
the greats, but the neighbor But Bernard grew up in
my neighborhood, Fort Green. This hospital Fort Green called Cumbon Hospital.
Bernard was born there. Albert King, Mike Tyson, and Michael Jordan.
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They're all born in the hospital. My neighbor was Fort Green, Brooklyn. Wow, yeah, Bernard,
I mean those years.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I mean it is this.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
I wish they had better. I wish medicine was for
the long so they were not. The operation he had
his knees would have made him come back, and he
really wasn't physically the same.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
We came back for the love.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
But I don't know why the New York Nicobokers has
not retired. Bernard King's jersey should be hanging from the raft.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Of the world's most famous arena.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
He was an bucket square guard.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
He was a bucket man. He was a bucket every
time Fort Hamilton High School? Yeah yeah, Uh. How would
you celebrate if the NIXT winning title?
Speaker 5 (15:42):
What would it? What would a title mean to you?
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Well, May nineteen seventy I was at Game seven, the
Willis Reed Game. I was thirteen years old and I
just need one before I leave this earth. And I'm
(16:07):
telling you, when I read the popes, he said he's
alumni Vanilla of Illanova.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I said, oh my, it's a plump, Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Oh but but listen to though. Let's think a little headed.
It could be a Minnesota Nick Final. Got my boy
dot thee Villanova guys.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
So this might be the year you're going to church
on Saturday. Well I'm not Catholic, but I might go
back to y.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Might go to abys Church and Marlow and get on
my knees. Oh Lord Jesus give us.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
But here's the thing though. You know.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
When the Mets won the World Series in nineteen sixty nine,
I ran on the field in Game five, like twenty
thousand other crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Kids, you know game back then those were day games.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
We're split in Baltimore and my range three and four
Shay Stadium, Queens. And my mother said, you're going to school.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
My father said, no, he ain't. He's going to Kase Dayton.
The Mets got away. What do they call the miracle Mets?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
So miracles have happened in sports hockey with the you
know the going on.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
It has happened, and we are long over, Duke.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Good luck on Saturday. All right, good to talk to
you very much. Thank you many, Take care.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
All right.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
That's Spike Lee and his movie coming out in August.
Highest to Lowest with Denzel Washington asaf Rocky is also
in it as well.
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not to belabor it. You could actually see someone in
conversation with Larry David or Paul Simon, that kind of thing.
And now I guess they've dipped down in rank. They
didn't have anybody else for Mother's Day night, so it's
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made this time.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Pirates have fired their manager. Yeah, and I'm wondering.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Could you do a two tiered system and maybe have
and it's the haves and the have nots. Could you
do relegation maybe where you know, bottom half team maybe
they move up, or what I mean, what are you
supposed to do in Pittsburgh, once great baseball town?
Speaker 11 (20:34):
You know, the only thing that brings to mind that
would be comparable. Remember, I'm old enough to remember you
were a younger child, if you were here at all.
But in nineteen sixty seven or whatever it was, when
the NHL expanded, you had the original six and all
the expansion teams went into one division six and six
and that actually sparked a hockey graze in Saint Louis
(20:57):
because the Blues were the worst of that second I'm sorry,
the best of that second division. And they went to
the Stanley Cup finals twice and acquitted themselves well even
though they lost. So that's the only comparable thing I
can think of. But here, I think is the real answer.
If you're the Pittsburgh Pirates, and if you're a long
suffering fan, and then you're right. They have a great
baseball history. They have one of the best ballparks in
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the Major leagues, and they flounder constantly. Think about this, though, Dan,
there are ten teams in the two central divisions in
the major leagues, only one of them is in the
top half of payrolls. That's the Cubs at tenth Next
is the Tigers at seventeenths. Half of the six playoff
teams last year in the American League came from the
(21:39):
al Central, the Tigers, the Royals, and the Guardians and
the Twins, who have now had the trap door open
on them. But the Twins were barely outside that group.
They were alive in the last week. Other than the Cubs,
in theory, who is going to greatly outspend the Pirates
in the National League Central. One of the things that
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degates the admittedly large payroll gaps in the major leagues
is the third wildcard. You know, whether you like it
or not, you can say, hey, if we can win
eighty five eighty six games, we got a chance to
get into the postseason. And the history shows even the
Dodgers they lost to the Padres two three years ago,
(22:21):
they lost to the Diamondbacks, and they were down two
to one to the Padres last year before they rallied
to win the Division Series. It's not a guarantee that
the best teams and the highest payroll teams make it
through to the World Series if you can just get
into that tournament. So I don't want to be harsh,
but what's the Pirate's excuse. They play a huge percentage
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of their games within the National League Central with other
teams that aren't running away from them payroll wise, and
you've got a second and third wildcard. You don't have
an excuse to be this bad, this consistently for this long.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, and I don't know what you know, Derek Shelton
was supposed to do. You know, yeah, you do have
a couple of players, and we tend to look at
these teams. Some of these teams, we go, point, who's
he going to be with his next contract? You know,
Paul Skins is not going to retire at Pittsburgh Pirate,
which now is not it's a shame, but you know
that's just modern day baseball here.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 12 (23:21):
You know.
Speaker 11 (23:21):
On the other hand, if Derek Shelton was lucky enough
to have management like the Colorado Rockies have and this
is on a knock on Bud Black at all, Bud
Black is a very respected baseball guy as a pitching
coach and as a manager, and he had the Rockies
in the playoffs several years ago. But they start out
with no chance. They leave spring training with no chance.
But they don't have the benefit, if you want to
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call it that of being in a weaker division. They're
in a division where the other four teams vary from
good to very very good. And they're playing a huge
number of their games in that division and they're like
one hundred and eighty games out.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
Even though it's only on two game season.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
They got six wins so far.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, I was wondering about the timing of show, Hey,
Otani coming back to pitch, and if if you're the Dodgers,
you don't want to push this. And if you're Otani,
I know that that's your identity, but still, I mean
there's a real risk here. If I'm the Dodgers, I
don't want to lose you as a hitter, and having
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you as a pitcher, I may not need you as
much as a pitcher. But I don't know if Otani's
locked in and says, hey, but this is who I am.
I'm the two way player, and I want to continue
to do this.
Speaker 11 (24:33):
I think there is an element to that, and it's
part of what leads him to sign with whatever team
he signs with. Obviously, the Dodgers have the greater financial
wherewithal of them able to structure the deal that worked,
But part of it is I want to do both,
so I don't think they can deny him that. But
they do have this luxury, whatever it is. The Dodgers
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are a great organization, but they have injuries to their
pitching staff every year team does, but they have them
out of all proportion. They'll start out with ten guys,
all of whom could be in at least some team's rotation.
Now four of them are healthy, and even when we
get to October, we're throwing bullpen games in the playoffs.
So I don't know what they're doing with their medical
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staff or their training staff, but at least they have this.
They're so good even in that division, that they can
slow walk a lot of guys. Clayton kersher through like
six to seven perfect endings the other night in the
minor leagues. They're slow walking him back, and who knows,
he may be a reliever for them rather than a starter,
and maybe the answer for Otani is, we don't want
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you to go out there looking to throw six innings,
which is the modern complete game. Maybe we use you
out of the bullpen, and that's the way to do it.
But they have the luxury of knowing they're going to
be in October, be playing in October, and just trying
to pull it all together by then. They don't have
to pull it all together by the All Star break.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Talking to Hall of Fame broadcaster Bob constas, who haven't
you interviewed or who have you interviewed?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
You'd like maybe another sit down with well.
Speaker 11 (26:05):
You know, the holy grail has always been Sandy Kofax
in sports. Sandy was always very, very gracious to me.
I asked him a couple of times, this goes back
more than twenty years, and he never had someone else
make the call. He always called me back personally and
he said, if I ever do it, I'll do it
with you. And after a while I began to realize
I'm at the front of a line that never moves.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
Thanks well, that I thought, Sandy.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
But he did do one thing with us, and I
thought he might for this specific reason. All Star Game
in Cincinnati a decade ago, and they named them Mount
Rushmore of living baseball players, and it was Willie Hank,
Johnny Bench and Coofax. And I said, Sandy, if it's
just the four of you and you're talking amongst yourselves, will.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
You do it?
Speaker 11 (26:53):
And he did And he was great in that sit
down anecdotal joking with the guys. You could see they
were energy guy and all I had to do was
just toss it out there and then sit back and
let them talk among themselves. So I think Kofax would
be one of the guys in sports. You know Jack
Nicholson who's in the winter of his years now and
(27:13):
seldom appears in public. But Jack Nicholson fascinating guy, enormous
star for thirty forty years. He always said, I don't
do television interviews. I'm a movie star. Leave your house,
you go into a darken theater, you pay your money,
the phone doesn't ring, and you sit there and watch
me on a big screen. Why do I want to
(27:35):
be sitting with Johnny Carson while you're looking through your
toes as you're lying in bed.
Speaker 8 (27:39):
But I'm not going to do that. It diminishes the mystique.
Speaker 11 (27:42):
So the only time you saw him on television regularly,
was sitting courtside at a Laker game. So it brings
me to this nineteen ninety two NBA Finals Portland against
the Bulls and Nicholson is shooting in PAFA on site
in Chicago. So he's Jack Nicholson. He can get good seat.
They weren't at half court. They were on the base
line underneath one of the baskets, and Dick Eversol and
(28:05):
Terry on Dieola were the producers. They spot him there
and I'm not calling the games, Marvis calling the games.
I'm upstairs at the old Chicago Stadium to do the
pregame and the halftime. So they say, Pop, do you
know Jack Nicholson, Well, i've met him, I don't know
him not. Well, go down and ask him if he'll
come on at halftime. I'm like, this is the greatest
fools errand of all time. Don't you know that Johnny
(28:27):
Carson just left the Tonight Show and he wouldn't go
on the last book with Johnny Carson When people were
lined up around the block to make one more uppear,
go down, you owe it to us and go okay fine,
So I slept myself down and I wait for the
four minute time out and I walk up behind him. Dan,
I swear I tap him on his right shoulder, and
he turns around like this, and the first glimpse of
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him is like the first time you see him in
the shining face. Then he softens a little bit and
he goes, I wish I could do a decent of
a thing.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
He goes, Oh, hi, bomb Jack, just play along. Here
they're watching.
Speaker 11 (29:04):
I'm supposed to ask you if you'll come home with us,
And I swear this is what he said.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
Verbata bikes up. I'm editing one.
Speaker 13 (29:10):
Word, bomby Bobby. You're a nice kid and you do
good work. How can I put this? No, Jack, I'll
take that as a no during the rest of the game. No,
I got a whole ass.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
Time.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
At least he was very respectful.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yes, I told my audience to keep an eye on
this because I think there's something there. When President Trump
got together with Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred and this Pete
Rose situation, it feels like this is something that Donald
Trump wants to happen to at least get Pete on
the ballot. And I think there's other things at play
(29:55):
that the Commissioner may want or need from the President
as well. I think Pete's going to get on the
ballot at some point. It feels like, what do you think.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
Two things here?
Speaker 11 (30:09):
First, of the ballot part, in theory, they'd have to
put him directly into a veterans committee unless they changed
their rule. Okay, because anyone who is more than fifteen
years removed from having played can't be on the ballot.
And of course if you were on the ballot for
ten years, then you wait a little while and they
throw you into a veterans committee. Now, if they're going
(30:29):
to take Pete off the restricted list or whatever it is,
the ineligible list, then in theory they could also say,
wait a minute, he was never on the writer's ballot.
Let's have the writers vote on it rather than sixteen
people in a veterans committee situation. By the way, if
you're going to take Pete off on that basis, which
consider taking shoeless Joe Jackson off on that basis He
(30:52):
was briefly on the writer's ballot and didn't make it.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
But you could put him up for consideration too. But
those are signs to your point. I don't know.
Speaker 11 (30:59):
This was I haven't talked with Commissioner Manfred about it,
but you know, baseball has an anti trust exemption. The
Trump administration seems quite willing to interpret things their own
way so or to pursue certain legal actions that others
would not. So the anti trust exemption is important to baseball.
(31:22):
It protected them greatly before they finally Marvin Miller and
company finally broke through and got rid of the reserve clause.
But it still has some value to them. And then
who knows. And I'm only speculating here. I'm not saying
it's true. But obviously there are great many foreign players
in Major League Baseball. Does Trump's immigration policy perhaps in
(31:44):
some way affect their comings and goings. I'm not saying
it does, but these are all things that perhaps Manford
and Trump would be would be discussing.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yep, that's how I see it. I think it's going
to happen. At least, you know, Pete posthumously is going
to be on a ballot, whether it's the veterans or
you know, they decide to put them on the regular
bound at the writer's bound. Good to talk to you again,
have fun this weekend.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
That's Bob Costas ninety second Street y in New York City.
That'll be seven Eastern coming up this Sunday as Bob
looks back on his forty plus years in the business.
Online in person tickets available at ninety two and why
dot Org when we come back. What's going on with
Bill Belichick's girlfriend at North Carolina? We have some news
(32:33):
about that coming up.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern, six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Could be some changes at North Carolina with Bill Belichick
and his girlfriend. We'll have that story for you coming
up here momentarily. Craig and Wisconsin. Hi Craig, what's on
your mind today?
Speaker 12 (32:58):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Could you be Bob Costas in an arm wrestling matchup?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I don't know, Given the health of my shoulder, maybe not,
but I mean I would certainly try and give it
my all.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I was just curious to say, I have an idea
on how we can take care of Draymond Green. I
think he's an awful basketball player.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
No, he's a really good basketball player. He just has
control issues.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Well, I did a Google search for Kermit Washington, and
Kermit Washington is seventy three years old, and I was
thinking possibly front off of Silks that Minnesota Timberwolves can
find him on for one game.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
All right, thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Craig Kerman Washington punched Rudy Tom Johnovinch, So I guess
that's what Craig is getting to.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Not funny. David in Ohio, Hi David, what's on your
mind today?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Hey? Dan?
Speaker 14 (34:08):
You guys her talking about the pope, and I think
it's time for Gary Doones to town for his sins.
Go to confessional Toads. We've had four popes since the
last Cowboys super bul Dictree.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
All right, thank you to He's Pablo Torri, ESPN commentator,
contributor to Around the Horn PTI PTI, and Pablo Tory
finds out podcast Metal Arc Media and apparently he found
out a little more than we realized about what's going
on with Bill Belichick and his girlfriend at North Carolina. Pablo,
(34:43):
good to see you. What did you find out? What
did Pablo Torre find out? Dan, good to be with you.
Really good to see you as well.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
I on my show.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
For those not initiated, I take stupid things sometimes extraordinarily seriously,
and so I spent months of my life in the
Jordan Hudson rabbit hole. I talked to eleven people who
dealt directly with her, and a.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Couple of things.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
Number one is that there was an enormous meeting at
the University of North Carolina where the athletics department had
to have a meeting with the football people and say
that Jordan Hudson cannot be the face of our program anymore.
She cannot be on the field, she cannot be around
the building. She has taken too much when it comes
to the airspace around how people think of the coach,
(35:31):
the greatest coach in football history, arguably who when they
hired him to be the highest paid coach in the history, Well,
forget about any present day North Carolina stats. Just the
highest paid public employee in the state of North Carolina
right now. It was the opposite, right, They had no
idea this was coming. Everybody is now actively worried, including
(35:53):
I can also report members of Bill Belichick's own family
that a thing that takes decades to build reputation premise
don leadership and discretion and privacy and discipline and every
other term that now feels like it's the opposite of
what his reputation is now in this news cycle. They
feel like that's being destroyed. And it's because he gave power,
(36:14):
the power to run his new media empire now that
he has been freed from the NFL for the first
time in decades. He gave that to a woman whose
age has actually been misreported a lot I also learned,
but we can now say is actually today twenty four
years old.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
What's Bill's reaction, any public reaction to this.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
It's hard to discern because she is the person who
is on the emails, on the texts, is often ghostwriting,
so his reaction will be mediated, I believe with her.
I will point out that in New York City, where
I live, on Wednesday, there was a talk that Bill
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gave to promote his book, the book that was disastrously,
you could argue non promoted at the CBS Sunday Morning Fiasco.
He gave a talk and Jordan wasn't there. There might
be something like a deliberate, if not not to borrow
the terms of like another Hollywood separation, not quite a
conscious uncoupling, but certainly a public difference in how they
(37:16):
are presenting her omnipresence. And yeah, what I can tell
you is that family members of Bill see this as
something that is They have been investigating.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Her too for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
If the CBS interview doesn't play out like it did,
do you think there's any change within North Carolina with
her role with Bill.
Speaker 9 (37:40):
The fascinating thing about Belichick is that he has this
inner circle people who have insulated him as best they
can from all of these concerns, right, And so I'm
going to say, spoiler alert answer to your question is no.
And the reason is because he is a football creature
with a bunch of frankly yes men around him, Matt Patricia,
Josh McDaniels. That's how they were described to me, not
my datorial judgment. And the CBS thing sept Seeped has
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some septic but also seeping vibes to it. It got
inside of his bubble, right that book, the tabloid avalanche
happening because she did something that and you know this, Dan,
a SAVVYPR person doesn't do actually, which is forget that
she's on tape on camera on Mike interjecting. And I'm
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told also that yes, the reports are true, that there's
thirty more minutes of her interrupting, taking control of an
interview that was supposed to be frankly a puff piece,
an extraordinarily positive thing about this book about his leadership style,
which could then be transferred to non football people.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
That was the premise of it. Ironically, that's what opened.
Speaker 9 (38:44):
The floodgates, man, And at that point it became how
do we deal with this? And at that point lots
of people realized, now is our moment to say what
we've been seeing behind the scenes, which is one of
the crazier sagas.
Speaker 12 (38:56):
Man.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
I haven't even got into some of the other stuff here.
If I can just give you one brief anecdote just
to help illustrate the point here. There was a commercial
that Belichick was filming, a seven figure commercial, not the
Super Bowl commercial, by the way, which we reported also
Jordan Hudson insinuated herself into by representing herself as his
agent to Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, a thing that
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afflic and Damon still talk about to this day.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
By the way that she was.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
In that commercial, that she got paid that they negotiated
with her for belichick separate commercial. Earlier commercial for one
of the podcasts. He was doing seven figure shoots scripted.
She shows up. She's not a person in the public view,
no CBS interview. Yet, none of this stuff has happened.
She shows up and she again wants to be in
the commercial, and she's talking about how this would be
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a hard launch.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
That's the relationship term.
Speaker 9 (39:44):
I've been given a hard launch of their relationship public announcement,
and she says, hold on, I have an idea. She leaves,
some time passes, the shoot actually ends, the real shoot.
She comes back and she's wearing a yellow polka dot
bikini and a sun hat, and she wants to film
a scene where she is by the pool with Bill
trying to get his attention. All this again very on
the nose, the meta and the real. But that happens,
(40:08):
and everybody there is like, what do we do with this?
Like this is Bill Belichick is not betraying any emotional change.
He's just going along with all of this because that's him.
They're realizing, and they decide we need to do the
thing where we tell her we're shooting a scene. They
grab a camera guy and they proceed to shoot something
that I am told they're not even sure the camera
(40:30):
was on. They point a camera, they have her do
something and they say good, yep, got it.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Good.
Speaker 9 (40:36):
And that's just what it's been like. That was at
the beginning of her taking control of the media empire.
Everything from there is sort of flowing kind of logically
once you hear about that.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
And I said this after the CBS interview, if Bill
has any hopes of getting back into the NFL, this
really hurts you because you're giving control to Bill. But
are you giving control to Bill? And and I would
there's no way an NFL team is gonna go, you know.
I think Bill he now's the time to bring him in.
(41:09):
But in the final thirty seconds, what do you think
is next in this story?
Speaker 9 (41:14):
I think you're gonna see people push back on the
reporting out of North Carolina that I have said, which
is that there was a power struggle in which the
adults had to intervene. I think there will be disagreement
about that. And I think that what is happening to
my phone will continue to happen, which is that it
will continue to melt. I signed up for this, I
(41:35):
get it. Aggregation interviews like this are all great. I
hope people listen to the episode. But I can tell
you that everybody who's dealt with Jordan Hudson, and one
person said, quote, she is the worst person I've ever
dealt with on Earth, and I have dealt with actual sociopaths.
I'm not saying that that is everybody. I'm just saying
this story Dan is extreme, and there's a lot, including
(41:55):
injectable erectile dysfunction drugs as just a brief tease for
what else we had to find.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Nice he's there. Great to talk to you.
Speaker 9 (42:03):
Thank you, Pablo, as I always dreamed, as I always
dream of.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Course, Pablo Tory. Pablo Tory finds Out podcast courtesy of
Metal Lark Media. Oh my goodness, there's a lot going on,
A lot going on. I don't even know where to
start with it. It's now. I'm not surprised. I had
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somebody who did work with them on a potential commercial
or promotional shoot and it didn't work out. But they
had problems because they were losing creative control. I'm going
to dance around this a little bit, but I was
given a heads up, and in fact I even told
the Danes. I don't know how many months ago that was,
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but That was a while ago where I was giving
a heads up that if you want to do something
with Bill, everything goes through her and she's got creative control.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
All right, two hours in the books. I did not
expect that story today, That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern, six am Pacific
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Speaker 5 (43:18):
WAPP Final Hour. On this Friday, it's a meat Friday.
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At that I'm not going to say it's a controversial
one because the menu. Maybe you wouldn't pair these foods together.
How about non traditional meat Friday. We have jumbo crabcake
sandwiches and we have smoked turkey club sandwiches. Who has
it better than we do?
Speaker 8 (43:40):
Nobody?
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Speaker 15 (44:25):
Well, we had an update to a pretty hard hitting
controversial poll question earlier. Whose career do you want? Your
options were Spike Lee, Bob Costas, and Mark Messier, and
Bob was running away with that one. We've since updated
it to Spike Lee, Bob Costas, Mark Messier, and Pablo Tourre.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
Okay, all of our guests today correct. Babolatur's got four
point five percent of that vote.
Speaker 15 (44:51):
That is a respectable showing in this group of people
right there.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, you just had a hard hitting report about what's
going on with Bill Belichick and his girlfriend and apparently
she's not allowed to be part of the football festivities
in the building on the football field.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
I wonder how Bill is going to respond to that.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yes, Marvin, that's terrible because she's gonna miss North Carolina
winning five games.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
Wow, Yes, PAULI, I checked Pablo tory no Stanley Cup victories.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
It doesn't act checked though and skate though. By the way,
Caps beat the Hurricanes that series tied to the game apiece.
Oilers beat the Golden Knights five to four in overtime.
Leon Dreysidle has two overtime game winning goals this year
and that ties him with As tikin In for the
most by any Oiler in a single postseason. He's a
(45:40):
former Oiler, Mark Messier joining us on the program mess
Good to see you again. Did Asa Tikinin make his
his hockey debut in the Stanley Cup Final against Philadelphia?
Speaker 5 (45:55):
Does that sound right?
Speaker 12 (45:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 16 (45:57):
Yeah, I think if I remember correctly, I think it
was nineteen eighty seven. If I remember correctly, he came over,
we had an injury. He slotted in and never looked back.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I took my wife to that game. That was one
of our first dates. I was working and I brought
her to Philadelphia and she knew nothing about hockey. End
of the first period, Gretz is on a rush. She
stands up and I almost had I almost got in
a fight because these guys behind me were you know,
(46:33):
m F and her and the whole thing, and she
I said, you got to see Gretzky.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
So we ended up going to that series.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I just remember a satiking in and they were like,
he's making his as hockey debut, NHL debut, and I'm like,
who does that?
Speaker 5 (46:47):
You make your debut in the Stanley Cup Final. Amazing.
Speaker 16 (46:50):
Well he got on the ice and as you know
I said, was quite a tough customer, an agitator. He
had everybody up in arms, everybody chasing them all over
the ice. Philadelphia had a bunch of tough guys. They're
thinking to themselves, who's this rookie from Finland coming in
here and stepping all over our turf. He didn't care.
Speaker 12 (47:08):
He was tough as nails and that's what he made
his whole career on.
Speaker 5 (47:11):
I like the gear you got on.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Let me if you're watching on Peacock mess has a
Game seven. It's a platform here sports and entertainment. So
you're officially licensed NBA apparel. Amazon is where you can
get it right now, hoodies, T shirts, all the teams.
Game seven. Then you're gonna do football, You're gonna do basketball,
You're gonna do WNBA. I mean, you got it all
(47:34):
going on here. So how did this come about very exciting.
Speaker 16 (47:38):
Well, we got an opportunity to a couple of fellows
came into my partner's office and ask him if you
want to invest in their company? He goes, what's your company?
They go, we own all the IP to Game seven.
He called me up and go, do you know anything
about this? I go, I don't, but if they have
what they say they have, we should buy the company.
We did in two years, locking up all the IP
(48:01):
and turrade marks around the world and came up with
a five part series on Amazon Prime about legendary Game
seven moments, building a community. And now we're in the
merch business, partnering with all the leagues, and it's been
an exciting journey for all of us.
Speaker 12 (48:18):
It's been a lot of as you say, it's a lot.
Speaker 16 (48:20):
Of hard work to get to the point where, you know,
we had the five part series come online.
Speaker 12 (48:24):
We're very excited about that.
Speaker 16 (48:26):
But now to be partnering with all the major leagues
with our merchandise is really exciting.
Speaker 5 (48:30):
Yeah you got your next gear on?
Speaker 12 (48:33):
What you gotta have next gear on? Now?
Speaker 8 (48:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
You do? Yeah you do?
Speaker 2 (48:38):
What's that atmosphere Compare the atmosphere of a Knicks playoff
game and a Rangers playoff game when you were playing it.
Speaker 16 (48:46):
I got to see it first ten closed in ninety
four where we both went to the finals and we
ended up winning the Stanley Cup. In nineteen ninety four,
the Knicks are right behind us into the finals, got beat.
It was the city was electric. We had a great
relationship with the Knicks back then. We were very close
with the players. We saw each other in and around
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the city. We supported each other. But when the Knicks
and the Rangers are relevant, when they're in the playoffs,
like we're seeing right now, it's a different feel for
the entire league. Nobody doesn't like New York, the Nick history,
the great players that have come through there, Madison Square Garden,
(49:33):
It's there's nothing like it, and we can see that
happening again now.
Speaker 12 (49:37):
Being up to nothing against Boston Game three is going
to be amazing.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Which NBA player would have been a good hockey enforcer.
Speaker 16 (49:45):
There's a few I grew up watching basketball back in
the in the eighties, when you know the bench, each
team had the bench in it, but they're tough guys
on at the end of the game to kind of
loosen things up.
Speaker 12 (49:57):
Much like hockey parts is coming on there.
Speaker 16 (50:00):
But I remember the Detroit Pistons, you know, I was
fascinated with the Celtics Lakers matchups back and they had
some tough guys that would come on at the end
of the.
Speaker 12 (50:11):
Game when the game was out of hand, and boy, there.
Speaker 16 (50:13):
Was you You you didn't go into that basket uncontested
trying to score late in the game. There were so
many guys that were tough in basketball that would have
been amazing. But you know, Bill Amber, if you want
us to try to, you know, start with one that
was notorious, the bad boys in Detroit through their championship runs.
But those are those are tough guys.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Scoring is up in the NHL. I think this is
the fifth consecutive year and in the playoffs any reasons
or reason.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
Because of that, I.
Speaker 16 (50:48):
Think we did a great job coming out the work
stoppage back in two thousand and six. I believe I
think we recognize that our game, the best part of
a game is a skill in the speed which is
played at We were getting locked down, slowed down by
better coaching and the ability to hook and hold and
(51:10):
slow the player's speed through the neutral zone. We eliminated that.
We took out the red line and opened the game up.
And as we've seen the last you know, fifteen years
or more, the game is so incredibly fast. The skill
level of the players probably never been higher. Every night,
(51:31):
we're just amazed at what the players can do, the conditioning,
the technology into the equipment. The goaltenders are better than ever,
but we're still finding ways to score. It seems nowadays
that no lead is safe. Like in the you know,
fifteen years ago, if you had a two to nothing
league going the third period, it's pretty much a poor
gun conclusion you're going to win that game.
Speaker 12 (51:50):
But not anymore.
Speaker 16 (51:52):
The rules that we had implemented have really opened up
the game. They've made it more exciting and it's just
a great it's just a great product now to watch
the NHL in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, we had PK Subanh and he said that you know,
the lines, your your third and fourth lines are so
much more talented that there's no let up when you
change lines. You're bringing in guys who could have been
great in the juniors.
Speaker 16 (52:15):
As his score, well, oftentimes you see these guys that
are playing and roll roll or or depth role players
on teams that had the ability to score forty to
fifty goals in junior hockey or even in the American
Hockey League. They come into the National Hockey League and
they got to figure out a way to help the team.
They can't serve pass McDavid or Dreipsil on the Oilers,
(52:38):
even though they could on most teams. So what do
they got to do. They got to figure out a
way to check. They got to figure out a way
to play tough. They got to figure out a way
to be uh, you know, an add add on to
the to the team. But when they do get a chance,
of course, they have that that talent and that ability.
Speaker 12 (52:53):
Uh.
Speaker 16 (52:53):
Teams that go on to win the Stanley Cup have
players in position that are overqualified in the depth positions
in the third and fourth lines. They figure out how
to play a role a much different game than they're
used to because that's what the team requires.
Speaker 12 (53:07):
But when they get a chance, they can score. And
we've seen that in the playoffs again this year.
Speaker 5 (53:11):
Did you ever hit Gretzki.
Speaker 16 (53:15):
Well, it was one of the hardest things for me
as a person and as a player when he got
traded to LA in nineteen eighty eight. You know, we
grew up brothers. We had won the Forst. Stanley Cups together.
He got traded into to the Los Angeles and of
course who do we play the first round of the
playoffs that year was Wayne Gretzky in the La Kings.
(53:39):
You have to put friendships aside. The problem with that
is that he was not easy to hit. He was
so elusive on the ice. He had the sixth sense
about him that no other players had that's ever played
the game.
Speaker 12 (53:52):
But I became the captain.
Speaker 16 (53:55):
When he left, and the hardest thing to do was
to understand that if I had a chance to put
him in the crosshairs, I was going to finish him.
Speaker 12 (54:03):
But it wasn't easy.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
I've been asking guests here recently, you can start your
team with Ovechkin or Sidney Crosby.
Speaker 5 (54:11):
Who would you pick.
Speaker 12 (54:14):
That's a great question.
Speaker 16 (54:15):
I've always been a massive Sidney Crosby fan from the
time he came into the league. The way he played,
the electrifying open ice player that he was, the work
ethic that he had on in the ice, on and
off the ice away, he represented the game and a
center ice position when you build teams you're built through
(54:39):
the goaltender, the four defensemen, and the two center iceman.
Speaker 12 (54:43):
They have a player like Sidney Crosby.
Speaker 16 (54:44):
To start an organization that plays a center ice position,
I think is critical because the backbone of any championship
team close through the middle of the ice. And then
you look at Ovechkin with the way he's been able
to do in his career. But I always started in
the middle of the ice, center to two center ice positions,
number one and number two, the four defenseman and the goaltender.
Speaker 12 (55:05):
That's where you build your team around.
Speaker 16 (55:06):
But look at if fovench getting fell in my lap,
I would not be disappointed.
Speaker 5 (55:12):
It might hurt if he fell in your lap, as
big as he is.
Speaker 12 (55:15):
That's true. That's true.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Hey, good luck with business here, good luck with the
playoffs as well.
Speaker 5 (55:20):
It's great to visit with you again.
Speaker 12 (55:22):
Great being on with you, Dan and your track suits
on its way in the mail.
Speaker 5 (55:25):
Oh okay, I like that. When's the last time you
check somebody?
Speaker 12 (55:30):
Oh it's been it's been too long. Actually.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
Uh.
Speaker 16 (55:35):
Even in a little bit of pickup hockey that I
play in, maybe maybe my son or my nephews, I
gave him a little bit they're running too the boards,
playing some pickup hockey.
Speaker 5 (55:43):
Wait, you get out there on the ice.
Speaker 16 (55:46):
I still love to skate as much as I can,
and before COVID we're skating a lot and playing some
little games here and there. But I got to get
back on the ice. It's a great game because it's
low impact and great conditioning. So loved being on the ice.
One of the greatest games into retirement that you can play.
Speaker 5 (56:04):
Well, you're a mar Yonger is still playing, isn't he?
Speaker 12 (56:07):
Well? He I think he is still playing. God bless
him for this career that he's an amazing to keep.
Speaker 5 (56:14):
He's like fifty four, isn't he?
Speaker 12 (56:16):
It's well.
Speaker 16 (56:17):
You know, Gordy How played rand into fifty two and
he was playing in the National Hockey League.
Speaker 12 (56:21):
Yeah, Gordy How.
Speaker 16 (56:23):
I played against Guardy How when I was seventeen years
old in the WHA.
Speaker 12 (56:28):
Man. I couldn't believe it. I was lining up.
Speaker 16 (56:30):
Against Gordy How. My mom and my dad came to
the game and visit. My mom looked at my dad
and go, what the hell did you get him into?
Gordy's gonna kill him.
Speaker 5 (56:43):
Thank you, mass great to talk to you again.
Speaker 12 (56:45):
Great talking to you too.
Speaker 5 (56:46):
Then that's Mark.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Messi, the ESPN NHL Lead Studio analyst hall of famer,
won six Stanley Cups and Game seven. You can find
it on Amazon. So you got Hoodies T shirt. It's
all on Amazon. They're gonna have football, they're gonna have WNBA,
they got everybody. So that's a big deal. And you
(57:09):
can see him on the Point pregame at seven thirty
Eastern on ESPN in the studio May thirteenth, also in
between periods with the Stars and the Jets. Yeah, it's weird,
you know. I just remember I think a Satkin in
his number was ten, and I just remember them saying, oh,
(57:29):
he's making his NHL debut in the Stanley Cup Final
on the road in Philadelphia. And I remember I was
at the game and I was there to do interviews
after the game, and I brought my girlfriend who's now
my wife, and I said, you gotta go see Wayne
Gretzky play. She said, yeah, sure. I remember her brothers
(57:50):
who were big New Jersey Devil fans. They were so
upset that I took her because she didn't know anything
about hockey.
Speaker 5 (57:57):
I said, I'm not trying to date you guys, I'm
trying to date her.
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