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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Jeremy Fowler, ESPN senior NFL national reporter joining us from
the owners meeting. All right, Jeremy, where are we the
countdown for the vote for the Tush Push? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Dan, great to be with you, and you are a
Hall of Fame in my book, you should not let
last night's results affect anything at all. Certainly, but don't.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You contribute to NFL Live, the show that won the
Sports Semmy? Do you get a sports Emmy?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I think I actually do from what I am the show.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Should you have won? Should NFL Live? Should that had won?
Last night? Over us?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It's I think it's a tremendous show. Uh, Laura red Legend,
dear l, a tremendous job. I love that show.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm just I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I'm a very very small part of it. However. Okay,
your Hall of Fame careers be the morale boost that
you need this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
All right, all right, Okay, sorry to do that too.
That's all I wanted to talk to you about, Jeremy.
Thank you. I don't care about the Toush Push and
we're done. Okay, what's the timeframe here on the.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Vote any minute then with this, so that the packers
their proposals in owners my understanding, we're voting like right
down the hall as we speak. You know, they're meeting
on a Jason Kelcey walked through the hallways with Eagles
owner Jeffrey Leurry a little while ago, so he's in
the meeting. Maybe he can sway some votes, maybe he
can help the Eagles here there. Philly is clearly all
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hands on deck to try to sway some people. So
what was told to me from some teams is that
there is a momentum for this to change and for
the Tush push to be banned. They only got sixteen
votes in March, so they need three Forest majority vote
which is twenty four votes to get this push through
and then you know they'll go from there. So it
seems to be momentum. I think it will be close,
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and it could be really I'm checking my phone right
now to see what goes down here, but it is
expected early this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
What kind of line language do you think is going
to be in or changed with this. Let's say they
get rid of it, it is there going to be
language that's put in their rule book.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So the language right now is from the Packers proposal
that was tweaked this week to make it broader, because
I think the issue that teams had back in March
was like it was too specific to one team, right
they felt that it was specific to the Eagles. They
wanted to tailor that to just be back to it
with the way it was in the early two thousands,
which is you can't push or pull any ball carrier
at all at any time, or it's a ten yard penalty.
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So I think that sort of what's the appetite a
little bit of some of the teams that were on
the fence, you know, they're just there are a lot
of teams that want to get that quote rugby style
play out of there. What's still unclear Dan is what
the data is on injury prevention here, Like, if there
really is an issue with this play that causes more
injury risk than others, then that's great, let's see the data.
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But right now, I don't know that anybody has seen that.
Health and safety is talked to the league. So maybe
today we'll get some sort of clarity on why that's
important or if this is more just under the guise
of player safety, which I know is some around the
league believe that might be the case.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, I think there, and they could probably frame this
and say we're being proactive. We don't have negative data
or injury data. We want to be proactive. I understand
how they can spin this, but like aesthetically, it's not pleasing.
The NFL is in an entertainment business and it's a
predictable play. It's like the extra point, like we don't
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want to we don't want predictability. They can't say that,
but I think that's really what's happening behind the scenes.
That's my gut feeling.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Well, and the Eagles are a major brand in the
league and they've had tremendous success with it, and it
evokes a lot of emotion because from a football standpoint,
there's still our teams and coaches and gereal managers in
the league that will tell you, like, you shouldn't punish
the team for being able to to play that you
can't stop. So that is really a core issue here
that really won't go away. So you're right, it's a
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matter of taste in a lot of ways. And you know,
is injury prevention really a thing? You know, some people
in league say that they think it could cause some
sort of catastrophic injury. We just don't know that yet,
so we have to go by what they want and
the fact that, yes, it is an entertainment industry. But
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I think part of the equation too, is that a
lot of teams feel like the Eagles would still get
these plays without having to push from behind like usually
Jalen Hurts. In that offensive line, they get it anyways.
So I don't think the Eagles would be all that
affected by this, to be honest, on a football standpoint.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I don't either. I said that, I've been saying that
with that offensive line, with that quarterback, there's no quarterback
like him. It's a low target. It's not like Josh Allen.
It's a low target for a guy who squats six
hundred pounds. I mean, let's be realistic here. You're not
going to stop that. I mean you might a couple
of times, but they're probably you know, their success rate
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will probably be over ninety percent. But you know, we
had Matt Lafleur on at the draft and here's the
Green Bay coach saying, admitting that the NFL nudged them
to be the team that would put its name behind
this to get this play a band. So that's the
NFL saying to the Packers, Hey, I mean that tells
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you everything you need to know. The NFL does not
want this playing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Well, it would be naive to think that Roger Goodell's
not involved in the decision making here. You know, you
have a couple of different tenants. You have the Competition Committee,
which is eight or nine people, you know, composed of
general managers and team presidents around the league. So they've
recommended that the Tush push should be out. You have
the health and safety component, and then you have Goodell,
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who is a presence and if votes need to be swayed,
he can be involved in those discussions. So typically what
the league wants, the league gets the Philly pushing back here.
You know that like Nick Sirianni has a pretty big
coaching tree now with Shane Steichen in Indianapolis, two or
three others that are head coaches whose teams benefited from
the Tush push and don't want to go against the Eagles.
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So but that's only three or four teams. Do you
have enough to sway the majority?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Jeremy Fowler, who will win a Sports Emmy because NFL
Live won a Sports Emmy last night, joining us from
the NFL Owners meeting.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
You can't have mine, We'll switch the name on be fine.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
What else should we be aware of that could happen today?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So the interesting news this morning, Dan was that the
playoff reseating proposal from the Detroit Lions, which they were proposing, Hey, look,
if you have a better record as a wildcard team
than a division winner, you should jump them in the
seatings that has been off the table. That has been
now revoked at least for this term. But it was
a little bit of a surprise. It didn't have much legs,
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but I thought they would at least vote on it.
They are not doing that now. So it's going to
be the same playoff format this season. But there is
acknowledgement here that, like if it goes to eighteen games
eventually or in future years, they're gonna have to receive
this thing. They're gonna have to work it out. They
don't really want situations where teams have meetingless games in
December and January when you're locked into a two seed
and you're resting your guys, or you saw the Rams
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do that last year, resting your guys in the last week.
You know, they want these games to matter, even though
I think some fans love second and third stringers playing
and the dynamics of who's gonna tank and who's not.
Like I think there's an element of that, but for
the most part of the league doesn't want that. They want
good games. So I do think they're gonna switch that eventually.
It just won't happen this week. And then you got
some onside kick news. There's some stuff about you know,
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you can do an onside kick anytime during the game,
not just the fourth quarter when you're down, if you're
from behind. You can do it in the first quarter
if you want. And they're gonna move the kickoff point
like a yard. I don't know why. I'm going to
find out why they're doing that. They're trying to create
a better success rate on these kicks. It's kind of
become a boring player. They're trying to spice it up.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
But you have to.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Declare that we're, hey, we're going to have an on
side kick. You have to tell Breck right, Oh my god, correct, Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, So it's it's they're they're hoping for a little
bit more excitement.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Anything I need to know about Aaron Rodgers today, So
Dan I.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Checked on that this week. You know, I kind of
get the same lines from people in Pittsburgh, which is, hey,
we remain optimistic, we remain in contact with Aaron Rodgers.
No new update yet, so they all are essentially still
waiting on him. You know, I go back to like,
this is his first Foray and the free agency in
a twenty year career that was highly unpredictable. So this
was never going to be smooth or easy. And you
(08:35):
know OTA's is in a little under three weeks. For
the stealers, they may twenty seventh, so that'd be the
target date for them. They would, they would, you know,
certainly hope that by then he's in the fold. I
don't think they've changed their plan. They're waiting on him.
They know he's had some stuff in his inner circle
or some family stuff that he has been dealing with,
which he alluded to on the pat mac could be
showed a few months ago, so they're sensitive to all
that and they're just going to kind of roll with
(08:56):
Mason Rudolph and tell that at there's some teams I've
talked to that are still kind of wondering, like, is
he just waiting to have the Vikings, you know, because
the Vikings would be an ideal scenario. One of the
best play callers in the league and Kevin O'Connell nine
Dome games, You're guaranteed nine Dome games per year. There's
some element of that. But I, you know, check in
with the Vikings. I still don't expect that they're moving
forward with Jji McCarthy. So he really has no other
(09:18):
option other than Pittsburgh or retire, it seems right now.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Did he get married?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I do not know that. I haven't heard that. Okay,
I haven't heard that, so you know, it could be
just something the matter with his family, But yeah, I
know no.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I saw him wearing a ring, and then there was
speculation did he get married? And maybe it's a mood ring,
which would be appropriate for Aaron, like what's the mood
that you're in. But thanks for joining us, and congratulations
on winning the Sports Emmy last night.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Thank you, Dan, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That's Jeremy Fallon. He's a big time NFL reporter for
NFL Live at the Mothership. Yes, I like that.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
We didn't even know that he won a sports Evy
for being a participant in NFL Live Together.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, I think I do get one. Man, it must
be nice.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
That's what working at a place like ESPN or Fox
or whatever is. I have friends who have a dozen
and they're like, oh, I think I picked one up
this year. You're like, wow, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
John and San Diego, Hi John, what'snia Rye?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Hey?
Speaker 7 (10:20):
How's it going? I had a question in regards to
the on side kick. It's very frustrating year after year
that the owners don't decide just to completely get rid
of it. Because the success rate is so small, and
there's been so many close games that have ended in
such a small percentage of getting the ball. Why don't
(10:40):
they vote to have like a fourth and fifteen play
or something more likely that our team can get the
ball back because the on side kick just obviously it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, they have proposed that. There's been language that's been
drawn up where teams have suggested that. I just think
it's an inherently violent sport. You know, we're past the
concussion lawsuit. I think when you sign up, you know
they it's violent and I could get hurt. I just don't.
You can take safeguards, but safeguards should be with equipment.
(11:15):
You still need to play the game. And this is
how the game is played. And yes, it's violent, but
I don't I just don't think you can do a
little of this and a little of that and tweaking.
And you know, we're gonna have an on side kick,
but you got to promise you're not going to hit
somebody hard. Hey, you got to tell us that you're
gonna have an I mean, it's it's pro football. It's
(11:38):
gonna hurt you. Sign up for that.
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Speaker 2 (12:51):
On this Wednesday. Morale is high. It's fake, but it's
high right now? Yeah? Absolutely, are you trying to get
everybody up? Come on, everybody, let's hear it. I can't
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Speaker 6 (13:21):
That's all T shirts are ten dollars. None of them
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shirts for ten dollars. Oh so whatever we have left,
we're trying to get rid of all of our inventory.
So at this point we've marked them down to ten
dollars because we lost, so let's celebrate.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But it's not a win or lose. We celebrate T shirt,
it's not those are because okay, yeah, yeah, no no yet, Okay,
all right, final hour. Wayne Gretzky will join us. He
wins awards, he wins a lot of them. I'm like
to know how big his trophy case is. It's got
to be a room, because he's been getting trophies since
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she was probably seven or eight years old.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, Paul, I think I saw a feature on E
sixty or something that Wayne Gretzky's father has like this
house slash shrine to Wayne back in Canada.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
He maintains. Yes, Yeah, I think he's got a shrine
to his son. I can't imagine any trophies that guy. Yeah,
and these aren't participatory trophies like my kids got and
then we finally just gave him the good will is there?
Like you'd have all these trophies, but none of them
for winning Anything'd be like, oh, and because you competed
in karate, here's a four foot trophy.
Speaker 9 (14:34):
All right?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
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Speaker 9 (14:52):
Daily Mister One, Dan.
Speaker 10 (14:54):
Orlofsky, has just checked in for the top of the
final hour.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Here, Hey, Dan, I worry.
Speaker 9 (15:03):
I'm doing very well. How are you good, sir?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Doing crampy? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (15:12):
I feel very poorly right now?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Do you.
Speaker 9 (15:15):
I do well?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Do you think we deserved it?
Speaker 9 (15:21):
I think we deserved it as well. But you're a
good man, and people you work with are good people,
and I know there's only one winner, and it makes
me feel awkward now talking to someone who didn't win.
That was probably very deserting.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
You know what it's like when you throw a pick
six or something. You know, when you you have a
moment and you got to come back from it. I mean,
can you help us understand, like, how do we come
back from such an embarrassing loss that we didn't win
the Sports Emmy last night?
Speaker 9 (15:56):
Yeah? I think that you guys, you know there's a
couple really good self helped books that might be out
there that you can entertain too. Listen. I mean, we
did win, and I woke up this morning and two
of my four kids absolutely stunk this morning. So I
had to deal with life moving forward as well, no
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matter we win or lose. So I looked at my
wife after we dropped off our daughter's full I said, well,
whether we won last night or lost, two of our
four kids gave us absolute attitude this morning.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
So here we are, well in all honesty, sincerity. Congratulations. Danilovsky,
ESPN analysts, part of NFL Live, former NFL quarterback. Let's
say five years let's say ten years ago, I told you,
you know what, You're going to be part of a
show that wins his Sports Emmy. You would have said, what.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
Here? Out of your mind? There's no shot I won't
even be in TV? What is these Sports Emmy? I
didn't know they gave those out.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Because I look at you and I keep thinking, you're
an offensive coordinator in disguise. You know you're you're you're
an analyst. But have you given up that dream of
being a head coach or a coordinator.
Speaker 9 (17:16):
I don't think I've given it up. I think I
you know, I want to be as always, I'm very
honest and transparent. This is I felt in the last
two years. It was probably the closest that calling had
come for me as far as the desire and the pool,
and probably after this past maybe four to six months,
that is subsided, and it's probably the furthest I've been
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away from that in a couple of years, just because
of the reality of where we are with our life
as a family. I've got, you know, three seventh grade boys,
I've got a fourth grade girl. My wife loves living
where we live. We've made really good friends in town.
I don't have the desire to uproot that right now,
you know, with a with a want rather than a need.
(18:01):
You know. Unfortunate some people have to do that because
it's their only choice. I don't have to, and so,
and I really love what I'm doing right now, you know, Dan,
Like I think this process of going through being nominated
and then being a part of last night. You know
it kind of I don't want to say re energize
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this because energy is not what I need. It makes
me want to continue to climb things, you know. Like,
I'm gonna be honest with you. I was up for
analysts of last night as well. I was furious for
not winning. Furious.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I was.
Speaker 9 (18:39):
Everyone's like, it's an honor to be nominated. I get that,
you know, Like, but I wanted to win that. I
really did. And when Barkley won, I texted, I'm like,
what the heck, dude? And I was bombed. I was bombed.
My wife. I was like, I want to go. I
was being a sore loser, a baby, and so like,
you know, like I want to win that one day.
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I really do.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Uh It's it's been really cool to be a part
of the team that won, and I like, do I
love what I'm doing?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Right now, I'm talking to Dan Orlovsky of the Mothership
the uh Push Push. We're waiting supposed to be voted
on any minute.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
What do you think? How does this play out?
Speaker 9 (19:22):
Yeah, it sounds like it's gonna get you know, it's
gonna get past that it's gonna get banned. I just
caution everybody that there's gonna be consequences that come from
this that no one's really looking at. If it goes
back to the newest proposal, which is what Green Bay
has put out there, I believe language wise that no
offensive player can push or pull another offensive player. We're
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totally changing offensive football then, and this is about way
more than just quarterback sneak. My mind goes to all
of those plays that the ball carrier or quarter whoever
gets hit it like the three or four yard line,
and then all of a sudden, the two are three
offensive linemen come in. It becomes that will push you know,
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who's got more desire at that moment to get the
ball across the goal line, because that play will Now
if the ruling gets passed, we'll go from a touchdown
to then a penalty. And just so everybody understands, defensive
players are caught. First guy, make the hit, wrap up, second, third,
fourth guy come in, hit, punch at the ball, put
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your helmet on the football. So now, from an offensive perspective,
if this rule gets passed, I hand the ball off
to my back and he gets it at the four
yard line. No one on my team can touch him
from that point forward to push or pull. But the
defense can come in and punch at the ball and
rip at the ball and hit at the ball. Then
we're changing football offensively in a way, and we're also
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changing some if we're being panned defenseless play situations.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, I still think Philadelphia is going to be extremely
successful at a quarterback sneak because of Jalen hurt. There's
nobody like Jalen Hurts in the NFL. Nobody who has
that much lower lower body strength at that position can
get that low and it's about leverage and I but
they you know, the Eagles imported Jason Kelsey to be
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a lobbyist here at the owner's meetings. What could he
possibly be saying to these other owners that are going
to make them rethink their vote.
Speaker 9 (21:35):
I would imagine there's a little bit of the health
part of it, you know, in him speaking on his
own behalf or experience, because there's people who say there's
health concerns or injury concerns, and so him sharing that,
I think him sharing the unique ability to you know,
the way that they coach it, the way that their
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interior offensive line does it to your point, how Jalen
executes it, and how you know it's not a cheap
play for them, but more is something that they've really
perfected because of the way they coach and the people
that they have. I'm sure it's an angle to try
to educate the owners, maybe differently than Oh, they're the
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only team that does this and it's unfair.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
How excited are you about the NFL being in the
Olympics with flag football? Does this?
Speaker 9 (22:27):
I think it's really cool. I really do. I think
it's very cool. My biggest takeaway is how smart the
NFL is. It's brilliant. You know, if you listen to
Commissioner Goodell and his words, he was saying, you know,
this opens us up even more to men and women,
all ages, all over the world. And so now you're
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taking the game of football that many of US Americans
know and you're bringing a version of it to all
parts of the world that maybe don't know a ton
about it and maybe can feel that, oh, I could
play football like Dan. I've always thought the protection of
the quarterback rule that changed years and years and years
ago was about kids. It wasn't about you know, Eli manning.
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It was about moms and dads letting their eight or
ten year old son watch the game, because the eight
and ten year old son who falls in love with
football is going to be the thirty to forty year
old who watches football, you know. And so it's a
little bit of that. This is brilliant business, you know,
stuff from the NFL, and it's you know these I said,
this just an NFL live. These players in the NFL.
You climbed the highest mountain that you think you can climb.
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When it comes to your profession, you accomplish it. You
can't go any further. And so now this gives them
another mountain to climb, another challenge to go accomplish. How
rare it would be to be a person that is
an NFL professional player, an MVP, a World champion, and
then an Olympic champion. That's I think it's very cool.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Okay, But how many players will play for Team USA
who are NFL players, the team that will play represent
US if we're trying to win a gold medal, how
many players will get that opportunity?
Speaker 9 (24:02):
Yeah, it seems probably half a dozen, you know, maybe
maybe ten. You know, by my understanding, you got to
try out. So how many guys are going to be
willing to just go try out? Because, let's be honest,
there's an ego element to these guys as well. We
all believe that we're the best and whatnot. Two you
can only have one player per NFL team, per country,
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I believe. So that means that Brian Branch and Jamier Gibbs,
both Lions, cannot play for the United States. Okay, you know,
so that limits your pool just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Okay, are you going to have thirty two players competing
for ten roster spots on Team USA? Like football? Is
that how this plays out?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
No?
Speaker 9 (24:51):
I don't think so. I mean, how many quarterbacks are
actually going to go try and do it? You know?
How many are receivers you know will be you know,
willing to do it. I'm sure there are going to
be some organizations that are a little bit cautious on it.
I know they all voted in favor of it. We'll
see how they feel about it in three years when
it's their Super Bowl window and it's their star receiver
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that they're concerned about and whatnot. So I don't know
if it'd be thirty two, but I do think that
there's going to be a decent amount of guys at
least initially interested in that.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah. Can I submit this for next year's Sports Emmy
having you on it, having one and agreeing that we
deserve to win the Sports Emmy?
Speaker 9 (25:37):
Yeah, you could submit it. Yeah, you could submit it.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm at a round of applause. Yeah.
Should be a very interesting NFL Live episode later today
for you, Dan.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Oh, I'm actually not on today.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Good for you.
Speaker 9 (26:00):
I'm not on today. I'm not. My sons have a
big lacrosse last regular season lacrosse game tonight, so I
don't want to miss that.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Thanks for joining us, and congrats again.
Speaker 9 (26:11):
Thank you, sir. I appreciate you. Your legend. You know that,
so thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Thank you. That's dan Or Latsky. Yeah. I've taken care
of my part of this. I'm the legend. It's the
other part that's the problem. I'm a Hall of Famer.
The show is in the Hall of very good. You
know what, Maybe I go work for NFL like that.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Seriously, you know it is true because even when the
Radio Hall of Fame came calling, they inducted you and
not the show like the Breakfast Club is in the
Tom and TJ Show, The Jimmy and Skippy Show, Sally
and the Commander's Show.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Dan Patrick, Yeah, you are the Hall of Famer. Bob
and Tom are getting in, Not Dan and the Dantes. Yes, Marvin,
but you're going to the Hall of Fame for your influence,
very much like Vince Carter. I'm the Vince Carter of
sports radio.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
So Pat McAfee and their show wins the radio on
sports are on TV, Emmy, Dan Levatard, No, they're not.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Gonna win one. I'm not without Stu Gotz. Not all right,
all right, let me take a break. Let's clean this up.
Wayne Gretzky is gonna join us the great one, Oh dear,
Let's take a break. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
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Speaker 2 (27:45):
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Oilers at the Stars game one. Last night, Panthers rolled
the Hurricanes five to two. More phone calls coming up.
We make way for Wayne Gretzky the Hall of Famer
Part of Turner's sports coverage of the Stanley Cup Final.
He'll be in attendance for all the games. Wayna, good
to see you again. How you feeling.
Speaker 11 (28:07):
I feel older, but it's great to see you. You know,
when you get your two youngest kids graduating college the
same week, you know you're getting old. So Thursday NYU,
Friday SMU, and onto the Stanley Cup semis and the finals.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Now, could you give me a shift on the ice?
Speaker 11 (28:27):
No, I'll tell you what happened about the age of
fifty seven. I was playing in a charity game and
I came back and I threw my bag down the
hotel room and I said to my wife, that's the
last time I'm ever going to skate. And she goes,
what do you mean. I said, I was scared to death.
I was going to fall and hurt myself. And you
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can't play this game with fear, right, So it was
time for me to officially retire, even though I retired
at the age of thirty nine. But I skate every
now and then my son's hockey schools and get on
the ice. But I don't play in charity games anymore.
I don't trust myself out there.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
But that's what makes what yarm or younger or Gordi,
how did listen?
Speaker 11 (29:12):
It's amazing Gordi how got twenty goals in the NHL
at the age of fifty.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Think about that. Amo Yager.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
He's got to be fifty eight. I don't even know
how old he is.
Speaker 11 (29:23):
And he's still playing games, although he told me one
day he said, I only play the home game is
now though I said, well arrested. And Chris Jellio has
played the fifty years old and the way he played,
he was a maniac at the age of twenty and
the age of fifty. So I have great admiration for
older players, older athletes who have excelled, Guys like Tom Brady,
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guys like Lebron. It's pretty remarkable that you can go
on at that age because you know, Dan, you've been
around sports a long time. The athletes are better today.
They're bigger, they're stronger, the coaching is better. And that's
not a knock to past. That's just progression. Right twenty
years from now, it's going to be better today. It's different.
Every sport is different than it used to be. But
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the athletes I think are better today.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Did you lift weights?
Speaker 11 (30:14):
Brad Hall had the greatest line of all. Somebody said
to him, you lift weights, and he said, I've never
seen a bar bell score, but I've seen a lot
of people. We used to do a training camp. We
would come in and they'd have these kids from the
university that would do her You know, I guess they
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were seeing what kind of shape you're in.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
So they had this.
Speaker 11 (30:38):
You had the bench press one hundred ninety five pounds,
and I would just look at the bar and I'd
say to the kid, just mark me down for one.
I didn't even try to lift it. I said how
many sit ups did I do last year? He said seven?
I said mark me down for so say they would
think I was getting better, But listen, I did eight
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push ups in training camp and scored ninety two goals.
I did one hundred and twenty five sit ups my
last year of training camp, I got nine goals. There's
no correlation.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
When did you realize that Ovechkin could get your goalscoring
record well?
Speaker 11 (31:18):
When he scored on his back against us. When I
was coaching in Phoenix in about two thousand and seven,
I came in the locker room and I think it
was Rick Talcket said, the writing's on the wall.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
This guy's going to be chasing you down. No we
knew he was.
Speaker 11 (31:33):
Listen, he's a I said this. There's only three guys, him,
Messe and Gordi Howe that could play with the finesse,
the goal scoring touch and the physical part of the game.
Those three guys did that. Now, maybe Mark had a
little bit more creativity with passing, but scoring. Mark scored
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big goals all the time. Gordy House scored big goals.
But if they weren't scoring, they'd run through you. And
that's what the three guys have in common.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
But explain to us that it's the hardest thing to do,
aside from hitting a baseball. But you're on skates with
a stick and guys are trying to beat the hell
out of you when you have the puck on your stick, Like,
what were you looking for?
Speaker 11 (32:19):
Well, people always say, how did you score that goal?
Did you see that open spot? Did you scout the goalie?
You know, maybe where his tendencies were and what was
his weakness. The game is so fast to me, I
was just shooting, trying to get an open spot, trying
to hit the net. It was my biggest pet peeve
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in the world. When you go all the way down
the ice and the guy would shoot the puck and
miss the net. And if you look at Mike Bossi
and Brett Hall and Vetchkin and Ery Curry, Mario, they
didn't miss the net. They hit the net. You can't
score if you don't hit the net. It's common sense, right,
game's too fast.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Now.
Speaker 11 (32:58):
In practice, you out there and you put up targets
and you work on things like that. But during the game,
the game's too fast. You're just trying to get it
to the net.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Do you hold a grudge against anybody?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Do I?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah? From your playing days.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
No.
Speaker 11 (33:13):
As a matter of fact, the exact opposite. I have
so much more respect for the players I played with
and against today.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Even back then now.
Speaker 11 (33:22):
Listen, there was a lot of guys who didn't like
because they're trying to win and I was trying to win.
But today, even the guy that played me the hardest,
the guy like Dennis Potvan, if he called me needed
a favor, I would try to drop everything and try
to help him.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
You know, we become one.
Speaker 11 (33:41):
There's one common thing that we all have as professional athletes.
One day we're going to be alumni. We're all going
to be retired, right, So I got a great deal
of respect. Now there's a lot of guys that probably
hated me when they played against me, and there's a
lot of guys I didn't like. But when it's all
said and done, it's like the other night when you
saw Dallas, Amy Benn and Scheifeley battled for six games
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like real men. They were physical, hard played hard, and
that's what makes our game so great. The emotions that
they showed after the game and the sportsmanship and the
respect they had for each other was truly remarkable. I
happened to be at the game, and I thought it
was just amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Talking to Wayne Gretzky, the Hall of Famer, does your
wife ever call you the great one?
Speaker 4 (34:25):
No? Every time that she probably says, do you think?
Speaker 11 (34:30):
Why do you think you're the great one? I will
tell you I was having dinner with Charles Berkley one
night in Phoenix and my son and I and we're
sitting there and his wife said, great one, will you
pass me in the salt? And I went to grab
the salt and his hand was already there, and he said,
in this house, they call me the great one. My
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son was fifteen then he thought it was the greatest
thing in the world.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Where are all your trophies?
Speaker 11 (35:00):
I have one trophy here that rocket Richard gave me,
the only hockey trophy. I have one of the trophies
I'm most proud of. I have here Sports Illustrated Sportsman
in the year. That's the only two I have here.
The rest are at the Hockey Hall of Fame or
in the basement of my since past parents' house that
my nephew lives in, and my trophies are still there.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
How important were trophies to you, aside from the Stanley Cup?
Speaker 11 (35:28):
Yeah, you know, Glenn say there had a theory in
training camp. I want to win the scoring race. I
want to win the best defenseman. I want a goalie
to be the best goalie. I want to have the MVP.
But with all that, I want the Stanley Cup.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
So, yeah, it was.
Speaker 11 (35:43):
He put it out there. He didn't hide from it
at all.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
The difference between playoff hockey and regular season hockey, and
it's not, you know, that much different than other sports.
You know, maybe the NFL was still in each game
because there's only seventeen games. But what is it about
I'll playoff hockey that we you know, it's just different.
It's different than any other sport.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
It really is.
Speaker 11 (36:08):
Although I'm a basketball fan, I think the basketball has
been phenomenal this year the playoffs, and you can tell
those guys have gone to another level. Our game has
just always been that way, and I think one of
the things that happens is it's so hard to referee
our sport so fast, and our referees do a great job.
And when get in the playoffs and referees tullb both
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teams look, you can play hard and you play physical,
just don't be stupid. We don't want to be the
difference in the hockey game. And so the game becomes
extremely physical and very fast, and it's hard to It's
hard to win in the National Hockey League. And I
thought Carolina played a really good hockey game last night. Unfortunately,
they're playing maybe the best team in the last three
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years and they get beat And now you play all
year to get home i sadvantage and you lose it
in one night. And so I expect and anticipate Burns
and company will come out flying tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I don't know if you're like Peyton Manning when you're
watching Peyton gets upset, you know, when he's watching bad football,
or somebody does. I don't know. How are you similar
to Peyton Manning when you're watching hockey and you're like,
why are they doing something? Or you get you know, visibly,
you know, upset with what you're seeing.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
No, not at all. I don't critique it. If anything
on the opposite, I just sit and enjoy it. I
really appreciate good plays. I really appreciate good coaching. And
you can see the four teams are in the finals.
They all have good coaching and that's part of the
reason they're there. And then they have the skill and
the talent to go with that. So now I know
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how hard these kids work. And I never critique.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Noom.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
The honest place where you were recognized is where.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Oh gosh, I don't know, maybe Rome, Italy.
Speaker 11 (37:51):
You know, it's amazing. I retired twenty five years ago.
I think I get recognized more now than I did
in nineteen ninety nine. But people are nice. It doesn't
even phaze me. Know, people are always nice. Everybody has
their opinions. Who the best player was, who the best
teams were? We all do that's what makes sports great
and all. We don't have the right answer. It's your opinion,
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as simple as that.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
But Michael Jordan thinks he's the greatest basketball player of
all time.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yeah, he was the greatest athlete I think of all time.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Do you think you're the greatest hockey player of all time?
Speaker 4 (38:20):
No, No, not at all.
Speaker 11 (38:22):
I always said that Gordy Howe and Bobby Orr were
the two greatest hockey players that ever lived.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
I made my life because of those two guys.
Speaker 11 (38:31):
They took the NHL to another level and gave me
an opportunity. No, I would never say that, and I
mean that sincerely. I tell my kids that i'd say
it publicly. I have too much respect for both those
players that I would think that I was better than
they were.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
But if I said, I can wipe away everything you
did in hockey. But you would have been a Hall
of Fame baseball player for the Tigers, and.
Speaker 11 (38:55):
I would have told you I was the greatest baseball
player ever.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
I can bragging about my baseball.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
But you told me years ago that you that really
was that was a goal like you loved the Detroit Tigers.
Speaker 11 (39:10):
Oh, I really did. I grew up an Ernie Harwell fan.
Mickey Lolich. One of the great days of my life.
I watched Mickey lowlts pitch when I was thirteen, and
I wrote it in my book. We're playing in Detroit
one day and trainer came in and said, there's a
guy out here that wants to sign his book. Can
I bring him in? I said, sure, it was Mickey
Lolich because I wrote the story in the book, and
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so I got a chance to meet him and get
a picture taken with him. And then through those years,
you know, Mark the Berg, Fidrich came and you know,
and then when Sparky Anderson went to Detroit and they
won the World Series. So I grew up a huge
Tigers fan. Now I love the Blue Jays, but they
weren't there till seventy six, so I'd been fifteen years
in baseball by the time the Jays were sort of founded.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Were you starstruck first time you met Jordan?
Speaker 11 (39:58):
Yeah, I think everybody is. Like I said to me,
the two greatest athletes ever were Michael Jordan Muhammad Ali,
and I got the chance to be friends with both
of them.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
I got a chance to spend a lot of time
with Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 11 (40:14):
I went to New York in nineteen seventy eight when
I signed the WHA and I was with Gordi Howe
and Bobby Hall and I was his kid, just starstruck, right,
And We're in the Plaza Hotels, the first time I'd
ever been to New York and there I was standing there,
Muhammad La came over to shake Gordy house hand and
I almost.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Fell over like that.
Speaker 11 (40:34):
And then five minutes later, Pat Boone came over to
say lo to Gordi Howe, and I said, is there
anybody this guy doesn't know? So he fascinated me from
the very first time I ever met him.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, but they have to be starstruck when they meet
you too.
Speaker 11 (40:49):
Oh, I don't think so, I hope not, because I'm
like you, I'm a normal guy.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Well you are. You're so approachable, you know, And I
liken you to kind of Joe Montana. If people's see you,
they don't realize that guy did what he did in
his sport, Like you see Montana looks like he's a kicker.
You don't think that's one of the greatest quarterbacks of
all time, Like you're disarming because you're very generous to
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people and very gracious.
Speaker 11 (41:16):
Yeah, people are nice and listening. I got everything in
my life because of hockey and because of fans. But
I remember our sons played together, and I used to
love the fact that Joe was there because we go
to the high school football games and nobody even cared
that I was. Everybody was bothering and getting pictures with Joe.
He made my life in high school that much easier.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
But that's I mean, it's been a pretty amazing career.
But like any goals that what's left here for you? Oh?
Speaker 11 (41:46):
I don't know right now, I'm proud of five grand
or five grandchildren and two more on the way, and
you know, families for me now. And you know, I
did my hockey thing and I loved every minute of it.
Now I'm a fan. I enjoy being on TNT. They're
wonderful people and the people we work with. And Liam
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is unbelievable. He's our quarterback and you know, he does
all the legwork and all the heavy lifting and I
just got to sit there and talk hockey. How nice
is that you get to sit there and I don't
have to worry about getting hit or run or knocked
over the head.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
I can just sit there and have fun.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
But you're healthy, very healthy, okay.
Speaker 11 (42:28):
Although like everyone else, you know, I had some pre
cancerous things taking off my face in the last few weeks, but.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
No concussion stuff.
Speaker 11 (42:37):
Like if you ask my wife, she would tell you
I forget things. I just told you an hour ago.
Speaker 9 (42:47):
You lost that.
Speaker 11 (42:49):
Back in those days, they told you to go home,
have a beer, go to bed, have an AskMen, we'll
come and skate it at you tomorrow. You'll sweat it out.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Do you have any pictures of you fighting, like the
frame photos of you. Yeah, it was going to happen
very often. I'm curious if I was.
Speaker 11 (43:08):
Talking about my sports Illustraates trophy. I got one fight
really in my career. Neil Broughton wasn't even his fault.
I jumped him. The guy flies from New York and
he's out there giving this presentation about how my sportsmanship,
how I don't fight. First shift in I'm fighting Neil Broughton.
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I get to the bench and I'll never get MESSI
said to me, what were you doing? And I said,
I don't know. But Davison Micah says. The good news
is that's not even a fight. That's called cat fighting,
so that doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
But did you throw a punch?
Speaker 4 (43:45):
I don't even remember. I think I kind of, I
don't know.
Speaker 11 (43:50):
We got to the pedally box and I remember I
looked over and I said, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I apologize Neil.
Speaker 11 (44:00):
I think he's more shocked than the seventeen people at
the game and the nineteen teammates I had on the
bench going what was that all about? One night we
were playing in Chicago, Bob Murray kind of he's always
whacking me and hacking me, and I got so mad
at grabbed him.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
He threw me on the.
Speaker 11 (44:16):
Ice and he had his hand like this, and I'm
looking over at our bench and there's five guys with
their legs over the boards and he's holding me.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
He goes, now, don't move, I'm not going to hate you.
And I.
Speaker 11 (44:31):
Got back to the bench and I told all the guys,
I said, nobody's loved to touch him the rest of
the night.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
But did you give like Dave Simenko an extra gift?
He was your protector? They had to have one on
each team.
Speaker 11 (44:43):
I'm guessing in those days everybody had sort of that guy, right.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
You know.
Speaker 11 (44:49):
The one thing I did give him, I gave him
my car that I wanted the All Star Game in
nineteen eighty nine and Edmonton, I guess, yeah, So I
brought him downstairs after the game. I said, here's the key,
so you can have the car. So he was great.
He was a great teammate to all of us, and
he was beloved by the fans. The fans and Emonton.
He was as big as anybody on that team. They
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loved him to death. And you know, he was witty,
he was fine, and he didn't really want to fight.
He only did it if he had to, if he
saw somebody abusing a teammate. He never went looking to
hurt anybody. And that's listen. That's the other thing about
our league, especially in those days. Those tough guys didn't
want to go hurt guys. They didn't want to go
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after those guys. They fought the big guys, right, They
fought each other.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
It was kind of a code, all right, handicap the
teams that are left in the playoffs like a tutorial
on what do you think is going to play out?
Speaker 4 (45:47):
Well?
Speaker 11 (45:47):
I like all four teams because I think all four
teams are well coached, and I think all four teams
right now are getting goaltending. I think Attinger and Bobrovsky
have proven to be two of the elite goalies. Skinner
last year got to the finals and had a good run.
He's got two shutouts in a row, so he seems
to be on a roll. Anderson in Carolina, I wasn't.
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He didn't have a bad game last night, but he
didn't have a great game last night.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
The thing between.
Speaker 11 (46:15):
Carolina and physical, I think Carolina is a little bit
faster and they the go, go, go go. Florida is
smart and discipline. This general manager has made some great deals.
He's got to chuck. He got Bennett traded for Seth
Jones or Shawn on and on. So it's tough to
knock out the Stanley Cup champions, right. So I like Florida,
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But Roddy Brunomore and I were roommates at the Olympics
in nineteen ninety eight, so you know my hurts with
him also, and he's done a phenomenal job. Now everybody
knows Edmonton that you know, that's where my life was made,
and I always vote for them. My brother's the assistant GM.
They have the two of the best three players in
the National Hockey League and Dry Sidle and McDavid will
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have questions the best player in the game. They're going
to have to contain him. Pete de Boor has done
a great job. And Dallas, they made incredible trade getting
Ratting in. I think it changed their team. The team
that Dallas is playing Edmonton's playing this year in the
semi finals. Dallas is a better team than they were
last year and that series went six games. So this
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series I predicted goose seven games.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
My best your wife and the family. Great to see
you again and ut.
Speaker 11 (47:26):
Seeing you and it's always a pleasure. I hope everything's
going well for you and your family too.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Thank you, Bud. Good to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
You guys all take care.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
How about that a great one?
Speaker 9 (47:39):
What bye, Fritzy?
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (47:42):
Jealous?
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Yeah? Wayne was it on the bus last night coming
back from the Emmys. Would never have said that.