May 28, 2025 • 39 mins
DP reacts to the Pacers' win over the Knicks to take a 3-1 series lead. Is Tyrese Haliburton officially a star in the league now? 14-year NBA vet Stephen Jackson praises Rick Carlisle's in-game genius and breaks down what it really takes to win in the playoffs. Pacers TV analyst Quinn Buckner describes the feeling in the arena in Indianapolis last night and shares legendary stories of winning an NBA championship alongside Larry Bird.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's the Timberwolves getting eight and a half at the
Thunder Game five as the Oklahoma City Thunder tried to
close that series out Pacers. They're up three to one
as they beat the Knicks. And if there's something I
guess close to being a perfect game in basketball, Tyrese
(00:25):
Haliburton pretty close. Thirty two, fifteen, twelve rebound, zero turnovers.
That's a pretty good night. And he got his dad
back in the building, and Tyrese Haliburton after the win
talked about that.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm wondering if what went on with him, if that
was tough for you, and just if there were some
emotions about having him back in here tonight.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Uh emotions.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
No. I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you guys. Here,
Like my dad is just fine, Like he lives just fine.
He's at the house watching the game in a beautiful home.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
There's obviously a.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Lot of common terry around him, especially right after, which
I think some was warranted, some went too far. But
that's just sports, and that's just talking heads. I mean,
we I know, we're saying free pops and pops is free.
But he was not in jail. He happened to be
in a very beautiful home, same very pretty watching NBA basketball.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
He's just fine.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Good for him. I like you, you know, and you
can tell the non watchers because you're getting a lot
of people now talking about Tyrese Haliburton. Is he a
top ten player? People who didn't watch him, didn't watch him.
Now you know he was in obscurity in college with
Sacramento and maybe with the Pacers you could say that
as well. Not big media markets. But if you're watching,
(01:45):
then you've noticed that Tyrese Haliburton is here to stay.
Very good player. Now you're going to get the comparisons
with Jalen Brunson. Feels like they're different types of players.
What one team needs from one guy, the other one
needs something different from the other. But it's a great
match up here and right now, Tyrese Haliburton has the
(02:05):
upper hand up three games to one. All right. Stat
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also get free shipping. All right, So I mentioned you
have the game coming up tonight, Oka See tries to
close out Minnesota as the Timberwolf skidding eight and a
half setan what's poll question for the first hour of
the program.
Speaker 7 (02:42):
Man, I'm just looking to see if Tyrese Haliburton's gotten
paid yet. If he hasn't, I don't know where his
contract status is and what years and whatnot, But man, he.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Has he gotten paid up? Does anybody know?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I wish it was a contract year for Tyrese Haliburton.
He's locked up. He's going to be fine. He signed
a five year, two hundred and forty four million dollar
deal about a little over a year ago. He was
making forty two million this year. Three years from now
he'll be making fifty five six, which oddly will make
him like the eighth highest paid player in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
But in three years and if his dad gets into
trouble again, he might have an even nicer house to
recline in while he watches his son. All right, so
it must be.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
Crazy to go from like making I don't know, like
five million a year to forty five a year.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
But that's a significant jump. Yeah, but has anybody had
a bigger salary jump in history than brock Perty? Then
he go from nine hundred thousand to what fifty or
something like that if you include you know, the guaranteed money.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
That's like really like NFL players get paid in lottery tickets.
Here's a big chunk of money and then not much
if here's another big chunk of money and then not
much after that, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Paul, Yeah, brock Perty in twenty twenty four made a
total nine and eighty five thousand dollars. Next year he'll
make at least forty one million dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, that's a that's a big pay race. That might
be the biggest all time. Yeah. That's where you go
into your accountant and then you go, h hey, my
tax returns just a little bit different this year. We're
gonna need some write offs here? Can you write off
Christian McCaffrey or Trent Williams George Kittle? All right, so
let's poll question from the first down receipt.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
Why don't we go with let's see more done, Nick's
Timberwolves neither.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You could also go Stars.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
We could throw in there too.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because aren't we three to one with
all of these series?
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Does that sound right? Easily? Go Hurricanes nixt Stars, Timberwolves.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
Hmmm, that's fun.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It feels like the tim Wolves are they're wobbling. I
the panthers are just they're too savvy. Stars against the Oilers.
You can't beat Leon dry Sidle and you know that.
Everyone knows that, I know.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Do you guys ever get confused with the panthers and
the hurricanes. Shouldn't the hurricanes be in Florida?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The panthers, Well, I don't know where panthers are. I
don't know if it's indigenous panthers are running around Florida
right now, but I don't know if they're in North
Carolina either, Yes, Marvin, but there's a lot.
Speaker 8 (05:36):
Of hurricanes that come up more South Carolina or North.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Kebia too, So yeah, which you'd want to not have
that as your nickname because it's a natural catastrophe to the.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Region like Miami, right, Yeah, Todd, do you want to
give a breakdown of where panthers their natural habitat.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Is kind of like they're in the Everglades. They're just
kind of they're kind of deep in the woods at
that when it rains.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
The crocodile is an alligators they're in there. But the panthers,
you know, they sometimes they attack the alligators in their
indigenous to the Everglades region.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Do they spawn?
Speaker 7 (06:06):
I guess would be one of those like safari hats,
like those jungle ones that like Steve.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
What are those those pith moments? I think they're pif.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yes, I think i'd look cute in one of ones.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
But whatever, Yes, I gotta double check this, but I
think Todd nailed that. The panthers uh. The team is
named for the Florida panther and a dangerous species a
large cat uh, indigenous to the nearby Everglades region.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
That's hilarious because I just thought of Everglades.
Speaker 8 (06:35):
I didn't know what I was talking about.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Every once in a while, you stumble into one step
in step in this All right.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Well, you are the guy who graduated second in his
class of six.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Now how did you have to prove it? The Everglade
panthers of Florida. There you go, finally, did we learned
something every day, don't we?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Congratulations and get ready for this it's gonna happen. Let's
say the Pacers face the thunder. You're going to hear
from the non watchers. Oh, ratings are going to be terrible. Okay,
they might be down, but keep this in mind. The
NBA just signed eleven year how many billions of dollars
seventy six billion dollar TV deal?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, eleven year, seventy six billion through the twenty thirty
five thirty six season.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah. Fine, okay, so you may take a hit with
the ratings, but you know you're going to rebound. I
don't know if they're taking money away. I don't know
what the deal is, but you know our network's going
to say, if we don't have a certain rating, then
we get money back. I don't know that, but you know,
for everybody who's going to say, and these are the
non watchers being like, ah, you know, the non watchers
(07:41):
always have an opinion on things. It's like and I
noticed this with a WNBA, with Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees.
Those are the non watchers who have opinions because those
who are watching don't have those opinions. It's all of
these other people who want to have like something deep
rooted in them that they want to get off their chest.
And they use Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese as sort
(08:03):
of the you know, launching pad for that. But the
non watchers, hey, don't. I mean, that's why you're a
non watcher. But you'll have an opinion on nobody's gonna
watch this. Okay, then don't. But I look forward to
if that's what it is. Pacers OKAC, one of those
teams gets its first NBA title, And imagine OKAC having
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three of the greatest players of all time and not
being able to close out Golden State. So you have Durant,
Harden and Westbrook and you can't get to the NBA finals. Meanwhile,
you got Shay Gilgis, you got Chad Holmgren and a
couple of guys last name Williams, and you're going to
be going to the NBA Final and Dort Lou Dort.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Can't leave that to Dort. That's Pauli's guy.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I can't, I won't, but thank you. Tod So phone
calls operator Tyler's sitting by eight seven to seven three
DP show. You know the whole tyrese Aliburton emergence here.
He was great in Sacramento. What did he go to
Iowa State? Does that sound right? So you know he
wasn't featured at any point and even when you watch him,
(09:12):
got a weird looking shot, but not afraid to take
a big shot. We know that. And to have zero turnovers,
I mean that's what jumps out when you have the
ball and you don't turn the ball over, and the
Knicks certainly did. He's averaged around twenty per game, nearly
ten assists, and he also stretches the defense. He can
take a deep three, but you know, thirty two point
(09:35):
fifteen triple double, you're up three to one. And there
aren't just three great games, they're statement games. This isn't
about being a box score stuffer. It's what do you
need when you need it? And all step up. So
I don't think we look at him that he's on
the rise. Tyres Sliburton has arrived and he's a problem
(09:57):
to deal with. All right, we'll get phone calls here
all that smoke. Co host Stephen Jackson, I was on
the podcast I think earlier this year with him had
a lot of fun. Quinn Buckner are the seventy six
Indiana Hoosiers. That's still the last team to go undefeated
in college basketball.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, thirty three.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Now, yeah, I don't think we're going to have a
team go undefeated ever again because you don't stay together.
You know, the Hoosiers had so Bob Knight's your coach.
You had Scott May, you had Kent Benson, you had Quinn.
You know, Dan Dakich was on that team. Abernathy I
think was on that team. Dy who was the other guard,
(10:40):
Bobby drafted by the Kent Bobby Wilkerson drafted by the Cabs,
I believe. But yeah, Quinn was the point guard for
that team that went undefeated. Also played for the Celtics
and want to ring there, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
He's got a couple of great stories in Celtic City,
the documentary that came out.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
He was awesome in there.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I did not really as he played for the Celtics
in eighty four. Yeah. Yeah, well we'll ask him some
of those storiess. Yeah, okay, yes, Paul.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
How many times did UCLA in the sixties going to
feed like three or four times? Was it something like that?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Uh? Probably more than that.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
What a throwaway like Indiana gets a ton of credit
for being the last undefeated team, as they should. But
it's like Ucille did it. I've got them doing it
four different times, just in the sixties.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, and you know, Kareem couldn't play his freshman year,
but the freshman team beat the varsity team that won
the national championship, just to give you an idea of
how dominating they were.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
So UCLA wasn't the best team on their campus.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
No, No, the freshman team was.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Back then, you know they had freshman team because you
weren't eligible to play varsity. They wanted you get to
get acclimated to college life. Now you're only playing your
freshman year and you're not getting act clamated to college life. Yes, Paul,
the last.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Three teams to go into the nca Tournament undefeated, I
gotta double check this. The fourteen to fifteen Kentucky team.
They went thirty eight to one. I think they lost Wisconsin.
Wichita State was thirty five and one in thirteen fourteen,
and of course UNLV ninety ninety one. They finished season
thirty four and one, lost a duke in the final.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Four Okay, so the Oilers up three to one on
the Stars Panthers Hurricanes. That's Game five, that's coming up
tonight some baseball news show. Heyo Tani his twentieth home
run and starting to do a little more work pitching wise,
the best record in baseball belongs to.
Speaker 9 (12:41):
Two.
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They Detroit Tigers. Yeah, they Detroit Tigers. Congratulations to A. J.
Hinch who was the manager of the Astros who paid
a price for the cheating scandal, and of course he
has been in Detroit and done a wonderful job there.
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Speaker 2 (14:08):
Bringing Stephen Jackson, the co host of All the Smoke podcast.
We were just talking about a couple of members of
the media saying that playing in New York, playing at
the garden, seeing these celebrities, that maybe it's it's too
big for the Knicks, you know that they get somehow
off their game when they play at home. You buy
(14:28):
into that.
Speaker 11 (14:30):
What's up, Dan? Thanks for having me. No, I don't
buy into it, you know, I will say that everybody's
not built for those moments. I know a lot of
guys I played with and played against that were great
shooters that made shots first three quarters, fourth quarter, big games,
(14:51):
in playoffs, they couldn't fall. You know, I started some
Dan They said, I make love depression. I love those moments,
love being against those who being in those big, old crowds.
So but everybody can't do it, and sometimes people do
get rabble.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
How do you explain Halliburton.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
IQ?
Speaker 11 (15:12):
I think his whole success is being a student of
the game and understanding the game. To have thirty seven points,
ten rebounds of fifteen assists with no turnovers for like
the sixth time, that's all IQ.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
You have to be your brain.
Speaker 11 (15:27):
And the way you're thinking the game is so ahead
of the guys around you and the guys you're playing
against that the players you're making are just so ahead
that that's why he's not getting turned over. So I
just think his hot IQ, and it's not surprising that
it's IQ is so high because my personal opinion, and
I really stand on this, POP is the greatest coach
I played for, But the highest IQ than the smartest
(15:48):
coach I played for is definitely Rick, carlile X and
Os is not even close.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Okay, but give us a for instance, like how do
you come up or come to that conclusion?
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Perfect example.
Speaker 11 (16:00):
These days, as you know, the offense is created through
a lot of handoffs, passes and comings, passes and screens,
and normally it's the point guard to the guard, the
point guard gets it back and gets the screen from
the big man. Well, Rick put a wrinkle in in
the time out in New York for for Game one,
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Halliburn brought it up full court and instead of throwing
it to the guard and getting the pick, he threw
it to the big man. The guard picked and he
ran off, got to run his start and got it.
Was an easy layup for the big man. But that
was just a wrinkle Rick put in at a time
out that the Knicks wasn't prepared for, and it got
Hi an easy shot out of time out.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah. I've known Rick Gosh probably forty years when he
was playing in college and then you know, of course
he was with the Celtics, and you know, I know,
we don't like to say this, somebody got out coached.
Does it happen? How often does it happen? At this level?
Where somebody is getting out coach.
Speaker 11 (17:00):
It happens a lot, but it really gets magnified in
the postseason because each possession counts in each game. It's
about making adjustments. I really seen it when we got
into the brawl and I missed half the season and
Raw missed the whole season. We came back and still
made it to the second round. That was basically a
rich coaching having us prepared, knowing everything about the other team,
(17:23):
and to even to get to the second round after
everything we've been there been through that year. That's a
big testament to how we was coached by Rick and
Mike Brown.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
How often do you get asked about the brawl with
the Pistos?
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Every forty minutes? Really, everywhere I go to people bring
it up.
Speaker 11 (17:42):
What did they say, Oh, man, I loved you in
the bral, Man, you did what you're supposed to do
with the Yeah, well they don't. You don't know about
the three million I lost and how that the jacket
I had on my back for the rest of my life.
I hear it a lot, but it's some people are
kind of disrespectful for it when they say it, and
some people are very respectful and and I can notice
(18:03):
the difference, but I've done so much more than that
in my life.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
You know.
Speaker 11 (18:08):
Yeah, I want to be known for being a lawyer guy.
I will always be that. But you know, I didn't
move I didn't.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Move on from it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Steven Jackson, All the Smoke Podcast. How often would Michael
Jordan play pick up when you played for the Bobcats?
Speaker 11 (18:23):
When I was there two years? He did it twice.
He actually came out there and played one on one
with some guys. But one day he really tore into
my butt and uh and got in the practice, came
to practice and wanted to make a statement to the
team because we was kind of filling ourselves and he
showed up in practice one day and destroyed us, and
me and them kind of had a verbal back and
forth because I'm a competitor, but it didn't go the
(18:45):
way I wanted it to.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Okay, when did When did you know Mike was was
being serious that he was he was coming to play.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
When he showed up with practice with a practice uniform.
My mom, that's when I know he was serious. He
showed up with some Jordan's starts and he had the
second team practice jersey on That's when I knew it
was a problem, and that's why I knew he was mad.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Did you think he would respect him like you don't
want to talk to him?
Speaker 11 (19:17):
Yeah, Mike human of me though, Like you know, I'm
even though he's my height on the idolize him. He's
the best ever I You know, if I could a
chance to play against me and compete, I'm a compete
against anybody.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I ain't even lie.
Speaker 11 (19:28):
If God challenged me to a one on one, I'm
gonna try to beat him.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
You know. That's that's that's just the way I play.
I love the game. I played with passion. You know.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
But you know you're talking about God. Sham God? Is
that who you're talking about?
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Talking about one and only God?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Oh? Okay, because I might be able to take God
sham God right now?
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Hey, I don't know sham. Guy's been working for the Mavericks.
He's still in good shape.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Do you think Michael could have still played in the
NBA when when he was there challenging you guys in practice?
Speaker 11 (20:00):
Uh No, I think I think you know, for half
court and the way we were practicing, we stayed on
half court, we went to like eight points. It was
better for him because he didn't have to get back
up and down. I don't think he could, but you
know that's Michael Jordan man. Anything he put his mind
so he could have, he did.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
OKAC is a defensive team.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
We tend not to highlight this. We want excitement, we
want scoring up and down. If OKC is gonna win
a title, they're probably gonna win it thanks to defense
and what Shay Gilders does. How would you describe Okayc's approach.
Speaker 11 (20:35):
The only reason I have a championship right now, Dad,
is because we had the number one defense in the league.
Our defense win championships. I think the teams people don't.
People under ray defense. Defense says a lot of things.
When you have the number one defense, when you have
the number one defensive league and also the best team
in the league, that says that your whole team is
playing balls out.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Your whole team is competing to the ultimate level.
Speaker 11 (20:58):
Everybody's out there trying to stop their man, and everybody's
competing there on the stringing defense.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
When one man.
Speaker 11 (21:03):
Gets beat, the other guy know where he has to
be without even thinking about it. That's the teams that
win championships, and this has been this team the last
two years, one of the top defensive teams. I love
it because scoring points these days in the NBA it's
easy because because you have so many guys that in
the league today that are role players.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
They only can do one or two things.
Speaker 11 (21:24):
I've never seen up a time in the NBA where
guys my size are strictly handoffing screen. Guys can't even
shoot like my size. When I was playing, we were
playing point guard to guard like so like, the game
has changed, so it's so easy.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
So when you see.
Speaker 11 (21:41):
Guys out there actually competing on defense, when when guys
don't in the league as much because this is a
softer era. I love okayceing the way they're approaching it
and the reason why I think they have that san
Antonio type approach.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
You know, this starts with Sam Presty. He put that
team together.
Speaker 11 (21:57):
He started there and never he was there when I
was in San Antonio, soaking every thing up.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
So I can see why they're having a success.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
How often did Pop yell at you and san Antonio?
Speaker 11 (22:06):
Probably every ten minutes. I needed it, though I needed it.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I remember Bret Barry telling me that when all else failed.
He knew he was gonna get yelled at by coach
pop Yeah, you.
Speaker 11 (22:21):
Know what, A lot of it was warranted because you know,
he was trying to make he was trying to make
me a professional, but also make me a man, you know.
And I was coming out the games thinking, and I
couna play basketball? Why am I coming out? This is
the NBA, bro after retch, you have to come out,
you know. So it was a lot of things that
I didn't understand as a young kid coming into the league.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
But Pop handled me right.
Speaker 11 (22:43):
Like a lot of times when I came out the
game and I was screaming and cursing, he wouldn't come
down there. He'll send Mike Brown and Mike Brown just
standing in front of me and let me curse him
out and take it. I'll calm down then Popa put
me back in the game later. But it worked. It
worked a lot. But at the beginning then I was
frustrated and cursing. Pop Up didn't understand what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
We've come up with the Hall of very Good players
that you know, like Joe Johnson's in the Hall of
Very Good, Jamal Crawford Hall of Very Good guys that
aren't probably aren't gonna make the Hall of Fame. Do
you have any additions that you would like to add
to the Hall of very good? Uh?
Speaker 11 (23:20):
Well it so, let me ask you this. They say,
the Hall of Fame is your whole life of basketball, right,
not just your NBA career right.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, college, international play, yeah.
Speaker 11 (23:31):
And if you win championships on every level, you should
be you know, close to it. For me personally, on
the highest level, I mean I want a champions spawl
every level of basketball played from high school, Big Three, NBA, overseas,
you name it. But as a peer of a lot
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of these guys, I feel like Stephan Marlberry should be
a Hall of Famer. I feel like Jamaine O'Neill should
be a Hall of Famer. I feel like rona Tests
should be a Hall of Famer, Like all these guys
I'm saying should be in already because of what they've
done in the game. You know, we all know Ron
had trouble, We know he made some mistakes, but he
was Defensive Player of the Year, and we all know
(24:15):
as peers a clear mind, Ron could have been MVPN
Defensive Player Year of multiple years. You know, he just dominated.
So I look at guys like even you know, I
wouldn't say he Hall of Fame, but he's he could
have had a Hall of Fame career if he wouldnt
have got hurt.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Brandon Royd somebody I speak highly of.
Speaker 11 (24:33):
So like, I look at it different because my stats
are better than mo Chieks my career stats.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
He's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 11 (24:40):
So you know, I can compare my stats to some
people in the Hall of Fame, and so if I
can compare myself, then watch a guy like Jermaine on Niro,
Rashee Wallace, these type of guys they should be shoeing
because they were that dominant.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
In the game.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Do you think you should be in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 6 (24:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
No, Okay, I love the honest answer.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yeah, No.
Speaker 11 (25:03):
I know I've had a better career and I've done
better things in my life than some of the people
in the Hall of Fame as far as basketball wise.
But me being in the Hall of Fame, now, I know,
I know that brawl and some of it, you know,
that notching and stuff. Some of the stuff I've been
into is a big knock, and they don't look at
stuff like that but to my peers, I hear from
all my peers, I'm in the real Brother Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
You know, I take that work.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Where is the real brother Hall of Fame? Where is
that building?
Speaker 11 (25:30):
So that it's a group of brothers who all played
in the NBA, who all got some type of ridicue
by the NBA, are mistreated or misunderstood by the NBA,
but guys that could actually play the game, that won
in the game.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
You know, I made a rookie All Star.
Speaker 11 (25:45):
I would have made All Star games if I didn't
get into that trouble because I had great years of
six years average of twenty plus. So it's just a
group of brothers that all was misunderstood, that actually played
the game. Well, some of us have champions with some
of us don't, but we all appreciate the role that
we took to get where we at, you know, and
all of us had.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
A tough role to get there.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Latrell Spreewell is in that.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
He's definitely in.
Speaker 11 (26:11):
Alan Ibsen is the leader. He's the president, and he's
the president because ninety eight percent of the guys that's
in that group. He showed all of us that we
can be us without compromising who we are and still
be successful. And it don't matter how you look, how
you walk, how you talk, as long as you do
your job. And Alan Ibison showed me that, and that
(26:34):
was the main reason why I was able to be
myself and not compromise nothing. Yeah I made mistakes, but
I owned up to all of them and still me today.
Alan Ibis says, be yourself because everybody else is already taken.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Good stuff, man, congrats on the podcast.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Thank you very much. It's been a blessing. Man.
Speaker 11 (26:54):
Shout out Matt Barnes, Brian Daily, Johann mcquar, all my partners.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Man, it's just been a blessing. Then.
Speaker 11 (26:59):
I can't tell you all this what happened. I just think,
you know, I would always say good things happen to
good people. I've I've been a lawyer, you got my
whole life to everybody I played with, a loving guy,
done a lot of the communities and giving back. So
I just think this is a well of guard of
blessing me and giv me enough another opportunity to do
something great.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
In my life.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Thank you, man, I appreciate it. It's as Stephen Jackson,
the podcast The award winning podcast is called All the Smoke.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (27:35):
Quinn Buckner, Pacers TV color analyst former NBA player, joining
us on the program. Buck good to see you. How
would you describe the atmosphere last night?
Speaker 8 (27:46):
Very much.
Speaker 12 (27:47):
I wouldn't say chaotic. It was fun. It really is exciting.
You know, basketball is a big part of what the
state of Indiana is about. You know, it's in the
ethos of the of all of the fans, and so
to see the Pacers at this stage, I mean, as
you know, and those that watch, Reggie's there, Jermaine O'Neil
is their lances there. I mean, you've got a number
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of the guy Danny Granger, who had not been back,
came to the game and excuse me and Triple H.
I'm not into wrestling, but that's a big deal for Reggie.
I'm not so Reggie, but for Tyrese because Tyres is
a big wrestling fan. So you got all of that
going and John Mellencamp.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
It was. It was a lot of fun, just a
lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
M's more iconic Reggie's choke to Spike Lee or Tyrese
Halliburton recreated that choke.
Speaker 12 (28:38):
Well, the fact that he recreated it's pretty creative on
his part, but well it's not creative, but it's something
that he wanted to do. But I have to say
Reggie's is by far the most iconic. I don't think
there's any question about. First of all, that's say points
nine seconds. That's a huge difference when.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
You look at it.
Speaker 12 (28:55):
Even though Tyrese got it going, could have moved that
footback and make the shot.
Speaker 8 (28:59):
But I tell you what this kid is.
Speaker 12 (29:02):
He's not a kid, he's a young man, but he
really gets what winning basketball is about, and it's important
for him to share it with his teammates. And that's
one of the reasons why this team can run, because
guys will run if you know you're gonna get the ball,
and he will throw the ball to you. And he
does it very uniquely. He even admitted he's one of
the few guys in the league that does a lot
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of jump passes, which for many of the older generation
understand that was something that was taboo. But he has
the ability to find a pathway to deliver his teammates
the ball, and equally important, his teammates understand if he
gets in the air, you gotta get open because you
don't want him to travel with it. So they make
an effort to give him the space and then from
(29:43):
there it's knocking down the shot.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
He's got swagger, but he's likable, like he doesn't have
that you know where you don't like him because he's
so cocky.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
Excuse me, typical view. That's a great observation. You're very observant. Yeah,
he really does.
Speaker 12 (30:01):
And that's why he can play with his teammates and
they're not jealous because he's not trying to take the
limelight and carry it for himself. It really is his
pride in how he plays and plays for his team
and plays for the guys. He's big on his guys.
As a human being. When you're around him, he lights
up a room. He wants to make sure everybody is comfortable.
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All those kinds of things that you like about human being.
He makes sure he engages you. Everybody, and I mean
top to bottom, pardon me, including those if you will.
Because I've always watched guys to try to see how
they treat if you will, the back office, the back room,
how do you treat people there? This guy is the
same with everyone. And when he gets on the court,
(30:44):
you know, guys, I have to understand. He's just a
really good guy that just happened to be one heck
of a basketball player.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Can the Knicks come back?
Speaker 8 (30:54):
Can is a word that you can use on it
at any time.
Speaker 12 (30:57):
I think the pace is a heart for the Knicks
to play Higgins, because the Knicks are more of.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
Their slower paced team, which is typical.
Speaker 12 (31:06):
This is what's unusual about this to me and maybe
you because you watched the sports mini sports, but this one.
The game typically slows down in the playoffs, and the
further you go, as I was fortunate enough to do
with the Celtics and others, the further you go up
that ladder, the more it slows down. The Pacers have
managed to maintain their pace for the most part the
game they lost. They lost the pace at the end
(31:28):
of I think it was the first half, in the
beginning of the third quarter, and it caused them a problem.
With this kind of pace, it's going to make it
very very difficult. But you know, can is a word,
but I don't know, it's really.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
He's Queen Buckner, the Pacers TV color analyst. You were
prominently featured in the Celtics documentary. A couple of stories
stood out. When your wife wanted to know how confident
Larry was going into the game seven and nineteen.
Speaker 12 (32:03):
Yeah, she was very concerned about that. And Larry, We're
gonna win. And Larry just gets out of the car
like we all do. Get out of the car, Yeah,
and just keeps walking. I mean he did. He just
kept walking, and my wife, I think, felt better about
the whole situation. But that is Larry yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
He is the ultimate confident guy. But Larry looks at it.
He's just playing a basketball game. He never looked at
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it like I said, you know, he knows this seventh game,
but he just does that.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
But he also had that ability to.
Speaker 12 (32:30):
I think, maintain that that presence, that that that confidence
because he knows it helps his teammates.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Also, you were there in New Orleans when Larry, when
Larry went off against the Hawks and.
Speaker 12 (32:48):
Dan, it was one of the most I've been been
blessed to be around the sport for many years, and
I'm gonna say, more than four decades.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
I have never seen anything like it. It was one of.
Speaker 12 (32:58):
The great athletes, great performances. I don't go to plays
or anything like that, but he did it. He did
it simply. And when I see Dominiko over there and
the guys on the bench giving each other five because
he's taken a shot, he's got no business taken. He's
got guys draped on him, and he makes it and
just runs down like he's breathing. You know, he's just breathing.
It's just the next shot. But the proverbials on. He
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was there, and you know, the blessing for me quite frankly,
and I'm a little selfish in this thought because I
was there to witness it. But I'm telling you, it
was one of the great performances I have ever seen.
And I happen to be blessed enough to be around
the bulls in the nineties, but this was something that
was just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
But you played with Larry, you're good friends with Michael Jordan.
Can you compare and contrast their competitiveness.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
Oh, they were equally competitive.
Speaker 12 (33:51):
I don't know if you can really say one is
more competitive than the other. I only think about when
people ask that question, and they don't often because I
don't want to. Don't really delve into it, Larry. And
for those who you are religious, don't don't don't. Don't
take this the wrong way. Michael got sixty three on
the Bulls, I mean on the on the Celtics in
the playoffs, and Larry had somebody asked him about Michael Jordan.
(34:13):
He said, well, Michael Jordan's a basketball players like he
basically said he was God. Larry had never seen anything
like this. Larry enjoys winning. They both are very, very
They're smart as all get out.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
They read people at a high level.
Speaker 12 (34:31):
But getting those two and this is this is one
of those two death kind of things. You get those
two against each other is to the death of both
of them, not one of them, to both of them,
because that's how competitive they are.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Today's NBA. If you could tweak, I'll give you, I'll
let you be commissioner for a day. You can tweak
one thing or change one thing, what would you do.
Speaker 12 (34:57):
That's an interesting question. I'm not sure I played in
the air that was much more physical. Uh, these guys
are supremely more talented than those generations in the eighties
and the nineties. The three point shooting I think is
gonna it will taper to the degree that you have
more capable player shooting. Some teams have guys shoot the ball,
(35:21):
some people have shooters, and some people have makers.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
Okay, there'll be more less people.
Speaker 12 (35:26):
Shooting the ball that can't make it, and I think
that will make the game, not probably even more interesting.
But I just like the evolution of the game and
how how it's grown. Dan I did not take to it,
quite frankly when it first happened. Dick Vitel, the great
vict Dick Vitel, I think you work with him, so
you know, Dack, he was on this from the very
beginning and thought it would change the game. I think
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it's more exciting for fans. I think the players are
much more excited about it and like to do it.
But there's some guys, you know, you just you want
to just shoot it because they're not going to make it.
So there's not anything necessarily that I would change from
the game. I'm you know, I'm sure Hadham and his crew,
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he's spending many hours on that.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I don't anybody compared to Steph Curry that you saw
no prior to No No, No No.
Speaker 12 (36:18):
And I got to give Mark Jackson credit when he
and I remember him saying this, Mark played for the
Paces for those of you who don't know, and it
was a great.
Speaker 8 (36:26):
Guard from New York. He said when he got him,
he said.
Speaker 12 (36:29):
These are the two best shooting heat guards maybe in
the history of basketball. Steph is so unusual because Steph
can't get his and he is never he's in terrific shape,
which I think is a factor. Quite frankly, as we
talk about New York and the Pacers play can't get it,
but if he get it, he's gonna make it. He
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played against the Pacers one game and I'm not proud
of this, and I don't think anybody in the organization is.
He got sixty points and twenty nine minutes on eleven dribbles,
and it was It was an unbelievable performance. Now STEP's
gonna take more dribbles than that, but he's capable of
doing that.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
I mean at that time on any game of night. Obviously,
as you move into your.
Speaker 12 (37:09):
Thirties, you're not there's nobody that ever compared to what
Steph does because most guys are shooting.
Speaker 8 (37:14):
Were shooters in.
Speaker 12 (37:16):
Earlier times, but they didn't have the ball handling stills
quite as effective as he does.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
There's going to come a day where Larry Bird's not
one of the top ten players of all time.
Speaker 8 (37:29):
I don't know about that. I don't know about that one.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
Dan.
Speaker 12 (37:34):
I am telling you that Larry is is. There's a
uniqueness about him. But I tell you who is comparable.
And Larry said, there's only one guy he watches flight.
It's Jokic, And if you look at him, the difference
is Yokich is longer, but that's about it.
Speaker 8 (37:51):
And longer, and that's not about it. He's taller.
Speaker 12 (37:54):
They play and whatever talent they have on their team,
those guys play at a higher level for having played
with Larry. I knew it because I did and I
watched Yokis do that. But getting Larry out of the
top ten, now you're not gonna I may be biased,
but I don't think so. I just think if you
look at pure basketball players, Larry Bird is as pure
(38:15):
basketball players, you're ever gonna find nothing he could not do.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
You know, can't jump, can't run, beat.
Speaker 12 (38:21):
You get your triple double, the whole nine yards, No
Larry's staying in the top ten.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
If it ends up Pacers and Oka See, how do
how does Indiana win?
Speaker 12 (38:33):
The benches got to be really good because okay See
plays ten to eleven players and they all contribute. And
this is what I think is the for me, what
I enjoy watching in terms of the coaching. Rick has
done a terrific job and you can go you know nine,
he has gone ten and you get some really good performance.
Oka See has eleven guys that they may throw out there.
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Everybody may have a specialty, but they star in their roles.
The others have to star in their roles. On the Pacers,
I think Matherin's consistency off the bench. He had twenty
last night, but he struggled for the previous games. That's
got to have some consistency. Fifteen to eighteen points a
game and you're gonna have to get a lot more
out of top and all of that because okay, so
(39:16):
he can score the ball. But they're the best defensive
They may be the best defensive team. Well, I think
left they really challenge you and they can run with
you and get back in transition.
Speaker 8 (39:26):
Is it would be a very difficult series.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Thanks for holding up your golf game. I'm sure you're
headed to the golf course right.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
You called it all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Everybody always gonna tell you, thank you, Buck. That's Quinn Buckner.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's the Timberwolves getting eight and a half at the
Thunder Game five as the Oklahoma City Thunder tried to
close that series out Pacers. They're up three to one
as they beat the Knicks. And if there's something I
guess close to being a perfect game in basketball, Tyrese
(00:25):
Haliburton pretty close. Thirty two, fifteen, twelve rebound, zero turnovers.
That's a pretty good night. And he got his dad
back in the building, and Tyrese Haliburton after the win
talked about that.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm wondering if what went on with him, if that
was tough for you, and just if there were some
emotions about having him back in here tonight.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Uh emotions.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
No. I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you guys. Here,
Like my dad is just fine, Like he lives just fine.
He's at the house watching the game in a beautiful home.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
There's obviously a.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Lot of common terry around him, especially right after, which
I think some was warranted, some went too far. But
that's just sports, and that's just talking heads. I mean,
we I know, we're saying free pops and pops is free.
But he was not in jail. He happened to be
in a very beautiful home, same very pretty watching NBA basketball.
Speaker 6 (01:19):
He's just fine.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Good for him. I like you, you know, and you
can tell the non watchers because you're getting a lot
of people now talking about Tyrese Haliburton. Is he a
top ten player? People who didn't watch him, didn't watch him.
Now you know he was in obscurity in college with
Sacramento and maybe with the Pacers you could say that
as well. Not big media markets. But if you're watching,
(01:45):
then you've noticed that Tyrese Haliburton is here to stay.
Very good player. Now you're going to get the comparisons
with Jalen Brunson. Feels like they're different types of players.
What one team needs from one guy, the other one
needs something different from the other. But it's a great
match up here and right now, Tyrese Haliburton has the
(02:05):
upper hand up three games to one. All right. Stat
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also get free shipping. All right, So I mentioned you
have the game coming up tonight, Oka See tries to
close out Minnesota as the Timberwolf skidding eight and a
half setan what's poll question for the first hour of
the program.
Speaker 7 (02:42):
Man, I'm just looking to see if Tyrese Haliburton's gotten
paid yet. If he hasn't, I don't know where his
contract status is and what years and whatnot, But man, he.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Has he gotten paid up? Does anybody know?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I wish it was a contract year for Tyrese Haliburton.
He's locked up. He's going to be fine. He signed
a five year, two hundred and forty four million dollar
deal about a little over a year ago. He was
making forty two million this year. Three years from now
he'll be making fifty five six, which oddly will make
him like the eighth highest paid player in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
But in three years and if his dad gets into
trouble again, he might have an even nicer house to
recline in while he watches his son. All right, so
it must be.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
Crazy to go from like making I don't know, like
five million a year to forty five a year.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
But that's a significant jump. Yeah, but has anybody had
a bigger salary jump in history than brock Perty? Then
he go from nine hundred thousand to what fifty or
something like that if you include you know, the guaranteed money.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
That's like really like NFL players get paid in lottery tickets.
Here's a big chunk of money and then not much
if here's another big chunk of money and then not
much after that, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Paul, Yeah, brock Perty in twenty twenty four made a
total nine and eighty five thousand dollars. Next year he'll
make at least forty one million dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, that's a that's a big pay race. That might
be the biggest all time. Yeah. That's where you go
into your accountant and then you go, h hey, my
tax returns just a little bit different this year. We're
gonna need some write offs here? Can you write off
Christian McCaffrey or Trent Williams George Kittle? All right, so
let's poll question from the first down receipt.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
Why don't we go with let's see more done, Nick's
Timberwolves neither.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You could also go Stars.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
We could throw in there too.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because aren't we three to one with
all of these series?
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Does that sound right? Easily? Go Hurricanes nixt Stars, Timberwolves.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
Hmmm, that's fun.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It feels like the tim Wolves are they're wobbling. I
the panthers are just they're too savvy. Stars against the Oilers.
You can't beat Leon dry Sidle and you know that.
Everyone knows that, I know.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Do you guys ever get confused with the panthers and
the hurricanes. Shouldn't the hurricanes be in Florida?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The panthers, Well, I don't know where panthers are. I
don't know if it's indigenous panthers are running around Florida
right now, but I don't know if they're in North
Carolina either, Yes, Marvin, but there's a lot.
Speaker 8 (05:36):
Of hurricanes that come up more South Carolina or North.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Kebia too, So yeah, which you'd want to not have
that as your nickname because it's a natural catastrophe to the.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Region like Miami, right, Yeah, Todd, do you want to
give a breakdown of where panthers their natural habitat.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Is kind of like they're in the Everglades. They're just
kind of they're kind of deep in the woods at
that when it rains.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
The crocodile is an alligators they're in there. But the panthers,
you know, they sometimes they attack the alligators in their
indigenous to the Everglades region.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Do they spawn?
Speaker 7 (06:06):
I guess would be one of those like safari hats,
like those jungle ones that like Steve.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
What are those those pith moments? I think they're pif.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yes, I think i'd look cute in one of ones.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
But whatever, Yes, I gotta double check this, but I
think Todd nailed that. The panthers uh. The team is
named for the Florida panther and a dangerous species a
large cat uh, indigenous to the nearby Everglades region.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
That's hilarious because I just thought of Everglades.
Speaker 8 (06:35):
I didn't know what I was talking about.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Every once in a while, you stumble into one step
in step in this All right.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Well, you are the guy who graduated second in his
class of six.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Now how did you have to prove it? The Everglade
panthers of Florida. There you go, finally, did we learned
something every day, don't we?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Congratulations and get ready for this it's gonna happen. Let's
say the Pacers face the thunder. You're going to hear
from the non watchers. Oh, ratings are going to be terrible. Okay,
they might be down, but keep this in mind. The
NBA just signed eleven year how many billions of dollars
seventy six billion dollar TV deal?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, eleven year, seventy six billion through the twenty thirty
five thirty six season.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah. Fine, okay, so you may take a hit with
the ratings, but you know you're going to rebound. I
don't know if they're taking money away. I don't know
what the deal is, but you know our network's going
to say, if we don't have a certain rating, then
we get money back. I don't know that, but you know,
for everybody who's going to say, and these are the
non watchers being like, ah, you know, the non watchers
(07:41):
always have an opinion on things. It's like and I
noticed this with a WNBA, with Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees.
Those are the non watchers who have opinions because those
who are watching don't have those opinions. It's all of
these other people who want to have like something deep
rooted in them that they want to get off their chest.
And they use Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese as sort
(08:03):
of the you know, launching pad for that. But the
non watchers, hey, don't. I mean, that's why you're a
non watcher. But you'll have an opinion on nobody's gonna
watch this. Okay, then don't. But I look forward to
if that's what it is. Pacers OKAC, one of those
teams gets its first NBA title, And imagine OKAC having
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three of the greatest players of all time and not
being able to close out Golden State. So you have Durant,
Harden and Westbrook and you can't get to the NBA finals. Meanwhile,
you got Shay Gilgis, you got Chad Holmgren and a
couple of guys last name Williams, and you're going to
be going to the NBA Final and Dort Lou Dort.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Can't leave that to Dort. That's Pauli's guy.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I can't, I won't, but thank you. Tod So phone
calls operator Tyler's sitting by eight seven to seven three
DP show. You know the whole tyrese Aliburton emergence here.
He was great in Sacramento. What did he go to
Iowa State? Does that sound right? So you know he
wasn't featured at any point and even when you watch him,
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got a weird looking shot, but not afraid to take
a big shot. We know that. And to have zero turnovers,
I mean that's what jumps out when you have the
ball and you don't turn the ball over, and the
Knicks certainly did. He's averaged around twenty per game, nearly
ten assists, and he also stretches the defense. He can
take a deep three, but you know, thirty two point
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fifteen triple double, you're up three to one. And there
aren't just three great games, they're statement games. This isn't
about being a box score stuffer. It's what do you
need when you need it? And all step up. So
I don't think we look at him that he's on
the rise. Tyres Sliburton has arrived and he's a problem
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to deal with. All right, we'll get phone calls here
all that smoke. Co host Stephen Jackson, I was on
the podcast I think earlier this year with him had
a lot of fun. Quinn Buckner are the seventy six
Indiana Hoosiers. That's still the last team to go undefeated
in college basketball.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, thirty three.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Now, yeah, I don't think we're going to have a
team go undefeated ever again because you don't stay together.
You know, the Hoosiers had so Bob Knight's your coach.
You had Scott May, you had Kent Benson, you had Quinn.
You know, Dan Dakich was on that team. Abernathy I
think was on that team. Dy who was the other guard,
(10:40):
Bobby drafted by the Kent Bobby Wilkerson drafted by the Cabs,
I believe. But yeah, Quinn was the point guard for
that team that went undefeated. Also played for the Celtics
and want to ring there, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
He's got a couple of great stories in Celtic City,
the documentary that came out.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
He was awesome in there.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I did not really as he played for the Celtics
in eighty four. Yeah. Yeah, well we'll ask him some
of those storiess. Yeah, okay, yes, Paul.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
How many times did UCLA in the sixties going to
feed like three or four times? Was it something like that?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Uh? Probably more than that.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
What a throwaway like Indiana gets a ton of credit
for being the last undefeated team, as they should. But
it's like Ucille did it. I've got them doing it
four different times, just in the sixties.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, and you know, Kareem couldn't play his freshman year,
but the freshman team beat the varsity team that won
the national championship, just to give you an idea of
how dominating they were.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
So UCLA wasn't the best team on their campus.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
No, No, the freshman team was.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Back then, you know they had freshman team because you
weren't eligible to play varsity. They wanted you get to
get acclimated to college life. Now you're only playing your
freshman year and you're not getting act clamated to college life. Yes, Paul,
the last.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Three teams to go into the nca Tournament undefeated, I
gotta double check this. The fourteen to fifteen Kentucky team.
They went thirty eight to one. I think they lost Wisconsin.
Wichita State was thirty five and one in thirteen fourteen,
and of course UNLV ninety ninety one. They finished season
thirty four and one, lost a duke in the final.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Four Okay, so the Oilers up three to one on
the Stars Panthers Hurricanes. That's Game five, that's coming up
tonight some baseball news show. Heyo Tani his twentieth home
run and starting to do a little more work pitching wise,
the best record in baseball belongs to.
Speaker 9 (12:41):
Two.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
They Detroit Tigers. Yeah, they Detroit Tigers. Congratulations to A. J.
Hinch who was the manager of the Astros who paid
a price for the cheating scandal, and of course he
has been in Detroit and done a wonderful job there.
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Speaker 2 (14:08):
Bringing Stephen Jackson, the co host of All the Smoke podcast.
We were just talking about a couple of members of
the media saying that playing in New York, playing at
the garden, seeing these celebrities, that maybe it's it's too
big for the Knicks, you know that they get somehow
off their game when they play at home. You buy
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into that.
Speaker 11 (14:30):
What's up, Dan? Thanks for having me. No, I don't
buy into it, you know, I will say that everybody's
not built for those moments. I know a lot of
guys I played with and played against that were great
shooters that made shots first three quarters, fourth quarter, big games,
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in playoffs, they couldn't fall. You know, I started some
Dan They said, I make love depression. I love those moments,
love being against those who being in those big, old crowds.
So but everybody can't do it, and sometimes people do
get rabble.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
How do you explain Halliburton.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
IQ?
Speaker 11 (15:12):
I think his whole success is being a student of
the game and understanding the game. To have thirty seven points,
ten rebounds of fifteen assists with no turnovers for like
the sixth time, that's all IQ.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
You have to be your brain.
Speaker 11 (15:27):
And the way you're thinking the game is so ahead
of the guys around you and the guys you're playing
against that the players you're making are just so ahead
that that's why he's not getting turned over. So I
just think his hot IQ, and it's not surprising that
it's IQ is so high because my personal opinion, and
I really stand on this, POP is the greatest coach
I played for, But the highest IQ than the smartest
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coach I played for is definitely Rick, carlile X and
Os is not even close.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Okay, but give us a for instance, like how do
you come up or come to that conclusion?
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Perfect example.
Speaker 11 (16:00):
These days, as you know, the offense is created through
a lot of handoffs, passes and comings, passes and screens,
and normally it's the point guard to the guard, the
point guard gets it back and gets the screen from
the big man. Well, Rick put a wrinkle in in
the time out in New York for for Game one,
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Halliburn brought it up full court and instead of throwing
it to the guard and getting the pick, he threw
it to the big man. The guard picked and he
ran off, got to run his start and got it.
Was an easy layup for the big man. But that
was just a wrinkle Rick put in at a time
out that the Knicks wasn't prepared for, and it got
Hi an easy shot out of time out.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah. I've known Rick Gosh probably forty years when he
was playing in college and then you know, of course
he was with the Celtics, and you know, I know,
we don't like to say this, somebody got out coached.
Does it happen? How often does it happen? At this level?
Where somebody is getting out coach.
Speaker 11 (17:00):
It happens a lot, but it really gets magnified in
the postseason because each possession counts in each game. It's
about making adjustments. I really seen it when we got
into the brawl and I missed half the season and
Raw missed the whole season. We came back and still
made it to the second round. That was basically a
rich coaching having us prepared, knowing everything about the other team,
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and to even to get to the second round after
everything we've been there been through that year. That's a
big testament to how we was coached by Rick and
Mike Brown.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
How often do you get asked about the brawl with
the Pistos?
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Every forty minutes? Really, everywhere I go to people bring
it up.
Speaker 11 (17:42):
What did they say, Oh, man, I loved you in
the bral, Man, you did what you're supposed to do
with the Yeah, well they don't. You don't know about
the three million I lost and how that the jacket
I had on my back for the rest of my life.
I hear it a lot, but it's some people are
kind of disrespectful for it when they say it, and
some people are very respectful and and I can notice
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the difference, but I've done so much more than that
in my life.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
You know.
Speaker 11 (18:08):
Yeah, I want to be known for being a lawyer guy.
I will always be that. But you know, I didn't
move I didn't.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Move on from it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Steven Jackson, All the Smoke Podcast. How often would Michael
Jordan play pick up when you played for the Bobcats?
Speaker 11 (18:23):
When I was there two years? He did it twice.
He actually came out there and played one on one
with some guys. But one day he really tore into
my butt and uh and got in the practice, came
to practice and wanted to make a statement to the
team because we was kind of filling ourselves and he
showed up in practice one day and destroyed us, and
me and them kind of had a verbal back and
forth because I'm a competitor, but it didn't go the
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way I wanted it to.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Okay, when did When did you know Mike was was
being serious that he was he was coming to play.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
When he showed up with practice with a practice uniform.
My mom, that's when I know he was serious. He
showed up with some Jordan's starts and he had the
second team practice jersey on That's when I knew it
was a problem, and that's why I knew he was mad.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Did you think he would respect him like you don't
want to talk to him?
Speaker 11 (19:17):
Yeah, Mike human of me though, Like you know, I'm
even though he's my height on the idolize him. He's
the best ever I You know, if I could a
chance to play against me and compete, I'm a compete
against anybody.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I ain't even lie.
Speaker 11 (19:28):
If God challenged me to a one on one, I'm
gonna try to beat him.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
You know. That's that's that's just the way I play.
I love the game. I played with passion. You know.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
But you know you're talking about God. Sham God? Is
that who you're talking about?
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Talking about one and only God?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Oh? Okay, because I might be able to take God
sham God right now?
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Hey, I don't know sham. Guy's been working for the Mavericks.
He's still in good shape.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Do you think Michael could have still played in the
NBA when when he was there challenging you guys in practice?
Speaker 11 (20:00):
Uh No, I think I think you know, for half
court and the way we were practicing, we stayed on
half court, we went to like eight points. It was
better for him because he didn't have to get back
up and down. I don't think he could, but you
know that's Michael Jordan man. Anything he put his mind
so he could have, he did.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
OKAC is a defensive team.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
We tend not to highlight this. We want excitement, we
want scoring up and down. If OKC is gonna win
a title, they're probably gonna win it thanks to defense
and what Shay Gilders does. How would you describe Okayc's approach.
Speaker 11 (20:35):
The only reason I have a championship right now, Dad,
is because we had the number one defense in the league.
Our defense win championships. I think the teams people don't.
People under ray defense. Defense says a lot of things.
When you have the number one defense, when you have
the number one defensive league and also the best team
in the league, that says that your whole team is
playing balls out.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Your whole team is competing to the ultimate level.
Speaker 11 (20:58):
Everybody's out there trying to stop their man, and everybody's
competing there on the stringing defense.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
When one man.
Speaker 11 (21:03):
Gets beat, the other guy know where he has to
be without even thinking about it. That's the teams that
win championships, and this has been this team the last
two years, one of the top defensive teams. I love
it because scoring points these days in the NBA it's
easy because because you have so many guys that in
the league today that are role players.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
They only can do one or two things.
Speaker 11 (21:24):
I've never seen up a time in the NBA where
guys my size are strictly handoffing screen. Guys can't even
shoot like my size. When I was playing, we were
playing point guard to guard like so like, the game
has changed, so it's so easy.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
So when you see.
Speaker 11 (21:41):
Guys out there actually competing on defense, when when guys
don't in the league as much because this is a
softer era. I love okayceing the way they're approaching it
and the reason why I think they have that san
Antonio type approach.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
You know, this starts with Sam Presty. He put that
team together.
Speaker 11 (21:57):
He started there and never he was there when I
was in San Antonio, soaking every thing up.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
So I can see why they're having a success.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
How often did Pop yell at you and san Antonio?
Speaker 11 (22:06):
Probably every ten minutes. I needed it, though I needed it.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I remember Bret Barry telling me that when all else failed.
He knew he was gonna get yelled at by coach
pop Yeah, you.
Speaker 11 (22:21):
Know what, A lot of it was warranted because you know,
he was trying to make he was trying to make
me a professional, but also make me a man, you know.
And I was coming out the games thinking, and I
couna play basketball? Why am I coming out? This is
the NBA, bro after retch, you have to come out,
you know. So it was a lot of things that
I didn't understand as a young kid coming into the league.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
But Pop handled me right.
Speaker 11 (22:43):
Like a lot of times when I came out the
game and I was screaming and cursing, he wouldn't come
down there. He'll send Mike Brown and Mike Brown just
standing in front of me and let me curse him
out and take it. I'll calm down then Popa put
me back in the game later. But it worked. It
worked a lot. But at the beginning then I was
frustrated and cursing. Pop Up didn't understand what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
We've come up with the Hall of very Good players
that you know, like Joe Johnson's in the Hall of
Very Good, Jamal Crawford Hall of Very Good guys that
aren't probably aren't gonna make the Hall of Fame. Do
you have any additions that you would like to add
to the Hall of very good? Uh?
Speaker 11 (23:20):
Well it so, let me ask you this. They say,
the Hall of Fame is your whole life of basketball, right,
not just your NBA career right.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, college, international play, yeah.
Speaker 11 (23:31):
And if you win championships on every level, you should
be you know, close to it. For me personally, on
the highest level, I mean I want a champions spawl
every level of basketball played from high school, Big Three, NBA, overseas,
you name it. But as a peer of a lot
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of these guys, I feel like Stephan Marlberry should be
a Hall of Famer. I feel like Jamaine O'Neill should
be a Hall of Famer. I feel like rona Tests
should be a Hall of Famer, Like all these guys
I'm saying should be in already because of what they've
done in the game. You know, we all know Ron
had trouble, We know he made some mistakes, but he
was Defensive Player of the Year, and we all know
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as peers a clear mind, Ron could have been MVPN
Defensive Player Year of multiple years. You know, he just dominated.
So I look at guys like even you know, I
wouldn't say he Hall of Fame, but he's he could
have had a Hall of Fame career if he wouldnt
have got hurt.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Brandon Royd somebody I speak highly of.
Speaker 11 (24:33):
So like, I look at it different because my stats
are better than mo Chieks my career stats.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
He's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 11 (24:40):
So you know, I can compare my stats to some
people in the Hall of Fame, and so if I
can compare myself, then watch a guy like Jermaine on Niro,
Rashee Wallace, these type of guys they should be shoeing
because they were that dominant.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
In the game.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Do you think you should be in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 6 (24:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
No, Okay, I love the honest answer.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yeah, No.
Speaker 11 (25:03):
I know I've had a better career and I've done
better things in my life than some of the people
in the Hall of Fame as far as basketball wise.
But me being in the Hall of Fame, now, I know,
I know that brawl and some of it, you know,
that notching and stuff. Some of the stuff I've been
into is a big knock, and they don't look at
stuff like that but to my peers, I hear from
all my peers, I'm in the real Brother Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
You know, I take that work.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Where is the real brother Hall of Fame? Where is
that building?
Speaker 11 (25:30):
So that it's a group of brothers who all played
in the NBA, who all got some type of ridicue
by the NBA, are mistreated or misunderstood by the NBA,
but guys that could actually play the game, that won
in the game.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
You know, I made a rookie All Star.
Speaker 11 (25:45):
I would have made All Star games if I didn't
get into that trouble because I had great years of
six years average of twenty plus. So it's just a
group of brothers that all was misunderstood, that actually played
the game. Well, some of us have champions with some
of us don't, but we all appreciate the role that
we took to get where we at, you know, and
all of us had.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
A tough role to get there.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Latrell Spreewell is in that.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
He's definitely in.
Speaker 11 (26:11):
Alan Ibsen is the leader. He's the president, and he's
the president because ninety eight percent of the guys that's
in that group. He showed all of us that we
can be us without compromising who we are and still
be successful. And it don't matter how you look, how
you walk, how you talk, as long as you do
your job. And Alan Ibison showed me that, and that
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was the main reason why I was able to be
myself and not compromise nothing. Yeah I made mistakes, but
I owned up to all of them and still me today.
Alan Ibis says, be yourself because everybody else is already taken.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Good stuff, man, congrats on the podcast.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Thank you very much. It's been a blessing. Man.
Speaker 11 (26:54):
Shout out Matt Barnes, Brian Daily, Johann mcquar, all my partners.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Man, it's just been a blessing. Then.
Speaker 11 (26:59):
I can't tell you all this what happened. I just think,
you know, I would always say good things happen to
good people. I've I've been a lawyer, you got my
whole life to everybody I played with, a loving guy,
done a lot of the communities and giving back. So
I just think this is a well of guard of
blessing me and giv me enough another opportunity to do
something great.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
In my life.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Thank you, man, I appreciate it. It's as Stephen Jackson,
the podcast The award winning podcast is called All the Smoke.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Quinn Buckner, Pacers TV color analyst former NBA player, joining
us on the program. Buck good to see you. How
would you describe the atmosphere last night?
Speaker 8 (27:46):
Very much.
Speaker 12 (27:47):
I wouldn't say chaotic. It was fun. It really is exciting.
You know, basketball is a big part of what the
state of Indiana is about. You know, it's in the
ethos of the of all of the fans, and so
to see the Pacers at this stage, I mean, as
you know, and those that watch, Reggie's there, Jermaine O'Neil
is their lances there. I mean, you've got a number
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of the guy Danny Granger, who had not been back,
came to the game and excuse me and Triple H.
I'm not into wrestling, but that's a big deal for Reggie.
I'm not so Reggie, but for Tyrese because Tyres is
a big wrestling fan. So you got all of that
going and John Mellencamp.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
It was. It was a lot of fun, just a
lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
M's more iconic Reggie's choke to Spike Lee or Tyrese
Halliburton recreated that choke.
Speaker 12 (28:38):
Well, the fact that he recreated it's pretty creative on
his part, but well it's not creative, but it's something
that he wanted to do. But I have to say
Reggie's is by far the most iconic. I don't think
there's any question about. First of all, that's say points
nine seconds. That's a huge difference when.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
You look at it.
Speaker 12 (28:55):
Even though Tyrese got it going, could have moved that
footback and make the shot.
Speaker 8 (28:59):
But I tell you what this kid is.
Speaker 12 (29:02):
He's not a kid, he's a young man, but he
really gets what winning basketball is about, and it's important
for him to share it with his teammates. And that's
one of the reasons why this team can run, because
guys will run if you know you're gonna get the ball,
and he will throw the ball to you. And he
does it very uniquely. He even admitted he's one of
the few guys in the league that does a lot
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of jump passes, which for many of the older generation
understand that was something that was taboo. But he has
the ability to find a pathway to deliver his teammates
the ball, and equally important, his teammates understand if he
gets in the air, you gotta get open because you
don't want him to travel with it. So they make
an effort to give him the space and then from
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there it's knocking down the shot.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
He's got swagger, but he's likable, like he doesn't have
that you know where you don't like him because he's
so cocky.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
Excuse me, typical view. That's a great observation. You're very observant. Yeah,
he really does.
Speaker 12 (30:01):
And that's why he can play with his teammates and
they're not jealous because he's not trying to take the
limelight and carry it for himself. It really is his
pride in how he plays and plays for his team
and plays for the guys. He's big on his guys.
As a human being. When you're around him, he lights
up a room. He wants to make sure everybody is comfortable.
(30:21):
All those kinds of things that you like about human being.
He makes sure he engages you. Everybody, and I mean
top to bottom, pardon me, including those if you will.
Because I've always watched guys to try to see how
they treat if you will, the back office, the back room,
how do you treat people there? This guy is the
same with everyone. And when he gets on the court,
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you know, guys, I have to understand. He's just a
really good guy that just happened to be one heck
of a basketball player.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Can the Knicks come back?
Speaker 8 (30:54):
Can is a word that you can use on it
at any time.
Speaker 12 (30:57):
I think the pace is a heart for the Knicks
to play Higgins, because the Knicks are more of.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
Their slower paced team, which is typical.
Speaker 12 (31:06):
This is what's unusual about this to me and maybe
you because you watched the sports mini sports, but this one.
The game typically slows down in the playoffs, and the
further you go, as I was fortunate enough to do
with the Celtics and others, the further you go up
that ladder, the more it slows down. The Pacers have
managed to maintain their pace for the most part the
game they lost. They lost the pace at the end
(31:28):
of I think it was the first half, in the
beginning of the third quarter, and it caused them a problem.
With this kind of pace, it's going to make it
very very difficult. But you know, can is a word,
but I don't know, it's really.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
He's Queen Buckner, the Pacers TV color analyst. You were
prominently featured in the Celtics documentary. A couple of stories
stood out. When your wife wanted to know how confident
Larry was going into the game seven and nineteen.
Speaker 12 (32:03):
Yeah, she was very concerned about that. And Larry, We're
gonna win. And Larry just gets out of the car
like we all do. Get out of the car, Yeah,
and just keeps walking. I mean he did. He just
kept walking, and my wife, I think, felt better about
the whole situation. But that is Larry yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
He is the ultimate confident guy. But Larry looks at it.
He's just playing a basketball game. He never looked at
(32:25):
it like I said, you know, he knows this seventh game,
but he just does that.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
But he also had that ability to.
Speaker 12 (32:30):
I think, maintain that that presence, that that that confidence
because he knows it helps his teammates.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Also, you were there in New Orleans when Larry, when
Larry went off against the Hawks and.
Speaker 12 (32:48):
Dan, it was one of the most I've been been
blessed to be around the sport for many years, and
I'm gonna say, more than four decades.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
I have never seen anything like it. It was one of.
Speaker 12 (32:58):
The great athletes, great performances. I don't go to plays
or anything like that, but he did it. He did
it simply. And when I see Dominiko over there and
the guys on the bench giving each other five because
he's taken a shot, he's got no business taken. He's
got guys draped on him, and he makes it and
just runs down like he's breathing. You know, he's just breathing.
It's just the next shot. But the proverbials on. He
(33:22):
was there, and you know, the blessing for me quite frankly,
and I'm a little selfish in this thought because I
was there to witness it. But I'm telling you, it
was one of the great performances I have ever seen.
And I happen to be blessed enough to be around
the bulls in the nineties, but this was something that
was just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
But you played with Larry, you're good friends with Michael Jordan.
Can you compare and contrast their competitiveness.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
Oh, they were equally competitive.
Speaker 12 (33:51):
I don't know if you can really say one is
more competitive than the other. I only think about when
people ask that question, and they don't often because I
don't want to. Don't really delve into it, Larry. And
for those who you are religious, don't don't don't. Don't
take this the wrong way. Michael got sixty three on
the Bulls, I mean on the on the Celtics in
the playoffs, and Larry had somebody asked him about Michael Jordan.
(34:13):
He said, well, Michael Jordan's a basketball players like he
basically said he was God. Larry had never seen anything
like this. Larry enjoys winning. They both are very, very
They're smart as all get out.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
They read people at a high level.
Speaker 12 (34:31):
But getting those two and this is this is one
of those two death kind of things. You get those
two against each other is to the death of both
of them, not one of them, to both of them,
because that's how competitive they are.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Today's NBA. If you could tweak, I'll give you, I'll
let you be commissioner for a day. You can tweak
one thing or change one thing, what would you do.
Speaker 12 (34:57):
That's an interesting question. I'm not sure I played in
the air that was much more physical. Uh, these guys
are supremely more talented than those generations in the eighties
and the nineties. The three point shooting I think is
gonna it will taper to the degree that you have
more capable player shooting. Some teams have guys shoot the ball,
(35:21):
some people have shooters, and some people have makers.
Speaker 8 (35:24):
Okay, there'll be more less people.
Speaker 12 (35:26):
Shooting the ball that can't make it, and I think
that will make the game, not probably even more interesting.
But I just like the evolution of the game and
how how it's grown. Dan I did not take to it,
quite frankly when it first happened. Dick Vitel, the great
vict Dick Vitel, I think you work with him, so
you know, Dack, he was on this from the very
beginning and thought it would change the game. I think
(35:48):
it's more exciting for fans. I think the players are
much more excited about it and like to do it.
But there's some guys, you know, you just you want
to just shoot it because they're not going to make it.
So there's not anything necessarily that I would change from
the game. I'm you know, I'm sure Hadham and his crew,
(36:08):
he's spending many hours on that.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I don't anybody compared to Steph Curry that you saw
no prior to No No, No No.
Speaker 12 (36:18):
And I got to give Mark Jackson credit when he
and I remember him saying this, Mark played for the
Paces for those of you who don't know, and it
was a great.
Speaker 8 (36:26):
Guard from New York. He said when he got him,
he said.
Speaker 12 (36:29):
These are the two best shooting heat guards maybe in
the history of basketball. Steph is so unusual because Steph
can't get his and he is never he's in terrific shape,
which I think is a factor. Quite frankly, as we
talk about New York and the Pacers play can't get it,
but if he get it, he's gonna make it. He
(36:51):
played against the Pacers one game and I'm not proud
of this, and I don't think anybody in the organization is.
He got sixty points and twenty nine minutes on eleven dribbles,
and it was It was an unbelievable performance. Now STEP's
gonna take more dribbles than that, but he's capable of
doing that.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
I mean at that time on any game of night. Obviously,
as you move into your.
Speaker 12 (37:09):
Thirties, you're not there's nobody that ever compared to what
Steph does because most guys are shooting.
Speaker 8 (37:14):
Were shooters in.
Speaker 12 (37:16):
Earlier times, but they didn't have the ball handling stills
quite as effective as he does.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
There's going to come a day where Larry Bird's not
one of the top ten players of all time.
Speaker 8 (37:29):
I don't know about that. I don't know about that one.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
Dan.
Speaker 12 (37:34):
I am telling you that Larry is is. There's a
uniqueness about him. But I tell you who is comparable.
And Larry said, there's only one guy he watches flight.
It's Jokic, And if you look at him, the difference
is Yokich is longer, but that's about it.
Speaker 8 (37:51):
And longer, and that's not about it. He's taller.
Speaker 12 (37:54):
They play and whatever talent they have on their team,
those guys play at a higher level for having played
with Larry. I knew it because I did and I
watched Yokis do that. But getting Larry out of the
top ten, now you're not gonna I may be biased,
but I don't think so. I just think if you
look at pure basketball players, Larry Bird is as pure
(38:15):
basketball players, you're ever gonna find nothing he could not do.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
You know, can't jump, can't run, beat.
Speaker 12 (38:21):
You get your triple double, the whole nine yards, No
Larry's staying in the top ten.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
If it ends up Pacers and Oka See, how do
how does Indiana win?
Speaker 12 (38:33):
The benches got to be really good because okay See
plays ten to eleven players and they all contribute. And
this is what I think is the for me, what
I enjoy watching in terms of the coaching. Rick has
done a terrific job and you can go you know nine,
he has gone ten and you get some really good performance.
Oka See has eleven guys that they may throw out there.
(38:53):
Everybody may have a specialty, but they star in their roles.
The others have to star in their roles. On the Pacers,
I think Matherin's consistency off the bench. He had twenty
last night, but he struggled for the previous games. That's
got to have some consistency. Fifteen to eighteen points a
game and you're gonna have to get a lot more
out of top and all of that because okay, so
(39:16):
he can score the ball. But they're the best defensive
They may be the best defensive team. Well, I think
left they really challenge you and they can run with
you and get back in transition.
Speaker 8 (39:26):
Is it would be a very difficult series.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Thanks for holding up your golf game. I'm sure you're
headed to the golf course right.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
You called it all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Everybody always gonna tell you, thank you, Buck. That's Quinn Buckner.
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