June 2, 2025 • 52 mins
DP reacts to the Pacers defeating the Knicks and advancing to the NBA Finals. What's next for the Knicks in their upcoming offseason? Hall of Famer Charles Barkley discusses the latest in Inside the NBA's future and gives his take on the Larry Bird top 10 player debate. SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey breaks down the latest in the College Football playoff proposed expansion, and voices concern over NIL dollars outpacing player maturity.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It didn't take long after the Knicks were limited on
Saturday that the finger pointing has started in New York
and most of the fingers are pointed at Carl Anthony Towns.
So there were reports out of New York suggesting the
team grew increasingly frustrated with Carl Anthony Town's defensive habits
throughout the playoffs. This isn't a new revelation. He's never
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been a good defender, and he's a he's a what
do you say, Marvin. He is not a big man.
He's a tall man.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Correct, Okay, right, He's not a power forward. He's just
a forward.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
He's really good at scoring, really good at scoring, and
he's good at letting the other team score as well.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
But he's not a rim protector.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Like I don't this this of all the things coming
out of New York. Man, you gotta blame somebody. We
didn't go to the finals. So it's Karl Anthony Towns.
You traded for him, You knew exactly what you were getting.
There's no secret. It's not like he stopped playing defense
once he got to New York. He didn't play it
in Minnesota. That's why they had the stifled tower in there,
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Rudy and the go Bears. Because Carl Anthony Towns is
he's a seven foot shooting guard.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yes, Mark, the Pacers were targeting Carl Anthony Towns in
the fourth quarter that pick and roll barbecue chicken.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, See if Karl Anthony Towns, who doesn't play defense,
Jalen Brunts is undersized. He's not a good defender either.
And you're playing for a coach who is a defensive
minded coach. So you can blame Karl Anthony Towns defensively.
Offensively played really well. His numbers were really good. But
if the Knicks want to start pointing fingers, I think
(01:50):
I'd look in the mirror right now, because now what
do you do? Karl Anthony Town's going to be one
and done. Now all of a sudden, you're going to
try to package you. Now I'm hearing, hey, would you
trade Karl Anthony town straight up for uh Jannis? I
go wait, if I'm Milwaukee, No, if I'm the Knicks,
(02:10):
of course, would you trade Karl Anthony Towns straight up
for Kevin Durant?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I don't. I mean it's a lot younger guy.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I mean, these are the things that you're hearing already
in New York this morning, and I'm thinking, would I
try to package something for uh Jannis? Sure, but you
got to give me something more than Karl Anthony Towns.
I always wonder, you know, when we have these trade proposals,
why are you getting rid of that guy?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Jannis may want out, and he's still one of the
top five players, but he wants out because he wants
to win a championship. Karl Anthony Towns doesn't want out
of New York. They might money him out of New York.
He had one more block shot than I did in
the entire series against Indiana. You're seven feet tall. Jalen
Brunson had more blocks than Karl Anthony Towns. Out of
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the Day brought to you by Panadi America, the official
trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. We should not
be surprised at any of this. Usually what happens is,
remember Joker can't play defense. Remember that was the knock
that he wasn't going to win the MVPA. Hey, he
can't play defense. Well, they're called defensive rebounds, and he's
one of the best defensive rebounders in the game. Looking,
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I mean, it looks like Bill Russell compared to Karl
Anthony Towns. But you know, Jaylen Brunson. It's never been
brought up that Jalen Brunson can't play defense. Never, but
he can't. He's undersized. You know, he's a great offensive player.
You know, has some bad passes, stupid fouls sometimes, but
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you know, I love watching him play. But we'll single
out like Steph Curry guard anybody. Steve Nash can't guard anybody. Joker.
Not a good defender that you know. Somehow that tips
the scales to some Nobody's ever said if Shay Gilgess
can play defense.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I've never heard it.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But sometimes when you're pointing out somebody, Hey, he's really
good on offense, but he's terrible on defense. Like Luca Oh,
he's a bad defender. Okay, he's a really good offensive player.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I do know that.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
So at the end of the day, how does it
even out. He's probably going to have more points than
you and more assists than you. But when it comes
to defense, Karl Anthony Towns can't play defense. No one
should be surprised because he has never been able to
and now are you going to have him on the move?
But you got to have somebody to blame. They're even
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asking the question to Jalen Brunson about is Tom Thibodeau
the right coach for the Knicks?
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Gentle when you talk about the confidence, obviously, I feel
like nobody takes more criticism than Tom, and this team
obviously has turned around during his tenure. Do you kind
of feel that going forward he's the same guy left
you guys the rest of the way at next level?
Speaker 7 (05:10):
Is that a real question? Right now? He just asked
me if I believe that, if he's the right guy?
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yes, thanks, guys.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
On awkward?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Is that a real question? What do you think he's
gonna say? First of all, and okay, maybe you're trying
to lead the witness a little bit. Maybe maybe he
gives you something, but he's going to back his guy.
Do you think he's the right guy?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
No? No, I do not.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
All right, guys that thank you have good off season? Yes, Todd,
even in.
Speaker 8 (05:44):
A moment of terrible disappointment that if you don't love
the question, now you're looking to embarrass the reporter of
there is there another way Brunton could have made his point.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
With that, Oh no, no, no, no, you're backing your guy. No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
But you can't back him by saying, of course he's
our guys. You have to say, come on, you're really
asking me that.
Speaker 7 (06:01):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, I think in that situation you want to back
your guy. Maybe over back your guy. But yeah, I
probably would have said the same thing. Is he the
right guy?
Speaker 8 (06:13):
He's the right guy. We haven't lost any confidence in him.
He's taken us this far and we'll go that much
further next year. Really, dude, that's what you.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
Got for me?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Okay, but do you you don't blame the reporter for
asking that question.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
Not the greatest question, but the question was asked, and
you have an opportunity to embarrass him in front of
his peers or answer it short of make him feel foolish.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I'm going to side with Jalen Brunson with that.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You just lost. Hey, do you think Tom's still the
guy to lead you? Is that a Is that a
real question?
Speaker 8 (06:45):
What would you say to those who think Tom Tibdos
should be with another team next year and you should have?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I would say, who are those people?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
There are people who some say no, no, I would
turn it back on you because that that is our fallback.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You know where we go.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know, people are saying I would say, who's saying
let me know who those people are.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
They're nameless right now, but they are saying that Ben Stiller.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Ben Stiller saying that Timothy Shalomey is saying that, Yes, Seed.
Speaker 9 (07:17):
You kind of sound like in forty year Old Virgin
where they're like, uh no, just always ask questions to women.
You just ask whatever they say back, She's like, how
you doing?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
How are you doing? Can I help you find something?
I don't know? Can you help me find something?
Speaker 10 (07:35):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Pole question? First hour is gonna be what you like
to do it yourself. Let's see we got some options here.
Speaker 9 (07:43):
How about this off season the Knicks need to make
a dot dot dot big move or minor tweaks.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well, I think when they lost Isaiah Hartenstein, I really
liked him, I mean, very underrated. Now he's playing for OKC,
but but I mean Karl Anthony Towns. That's he says
that he is kind of revolutionizing the big man or
whatever his compliment was of his game. He is a
skilled scorer. But okay, if you have a defensive minded coach.
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You got an undersized point guard, and you got a
big man who's not really a big man. Okay, now,
Anonobi and Michale Bridges and Mitchell Robbins, Okay, Josh Hart,
you guys better play some really, really good defense because
those guys can't.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Would I still inquire about Giannis? Absolutely? I mean every
team should. Toronto's another team that's emerging now if there
should be, Boston should be in the mix with this.
But what are you giving? What are you giving Milwaukee?
Obviously the Knicks would go, hey, we want him, What
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are you giving up? Well, you're not giving up Brunson.
You know, Annonobe, you you got draft picks and you
know you got to make all this work here. But
we we live in a fantasy world sometimes with these trades.
We're like, man, the Knicks are going to get this guy.
It's like you know sports radio call in people talking
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about the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
You know, we we we.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Want to get this guy, and we're going to give
up you know, Luis Soto or whoever you know, Yes, time.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
Assuming you're not going to make up a heart either, is
that you giving up Bridges and Cat that's enough to
get Giannis.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I don't even want to go down that road because
it's silly.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's it's you know, you're trying to put pieces together,
and you got four first round picks, and then you're
going to throw in this and this and this and this.
It's really hard to make these kind of moves unless
sometimes you need a third team involved in this.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
But do the.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Knicks need to make a move? I think so.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I mean they made a move last season and then
all of a sudden they missed Julius Randall because Randall,
you know, he's a good passer and he he'll play defense. Now,
all of a sudden they never should have gotten and
Julius Randall.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
Uh yeah, Seaton, Right, you're gonna have to do like
to get Jannis Karl Anthony Towns in like three first
round picks or something. So now now you're starting to
look at the twenty thirty draft, the first round, the
conditional first round, some of these things.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, it's tough because if you're going to trading there,
where are those draft picks going to be? I mean,
you're going to get the twenty sixth pick in the draft,
because that's what it would be with the Knicks with
how they finished so but all right, so we kind
of have a poll question here. The Nicks should do
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something small medium, Look, I should.
Speaker 9 (10:45):
They'd make a big move or just some minor tweaks
in the offseason. I also am going to put up
their better better finals right now? Pacers Thunder or Oilers Panthers?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Ooh m?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Which are you most looking forward to? Well, I'm obviously
a basketball fan.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I want to see what Indiana's offense can do against
Okay sees defense. Now granted that's not tune in factor,
just letting you know in my world that's what I
want to see because there's you know, we always talk
about sex appeal or kind of the drive by with
the remote. Are you going to stop if you're watching
you know that game is on and maybe you don't,
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but if you're asking me, okay sees defense against Indiana Pacers,
I want to see Connor McDavid be great. You know,
you got the stage, you had the stage last year,
and Florida with what Florida has done and Tampa Bay
prior to that, I mean, it's pretty amazing. But watching
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a team not panic the way Florida does is pretty
remarkable and Edmonton might have the two best players in
the finals with you know, Connor McDavid and dry Sitle.
Of course, who never gets mentioned until the postseason on
this show, Leon dry Citle, Yes, Mark.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
We never hear about them until play the name.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's true, that is true. But that's on us, you know,
we we haven't been tuning into Edmonton games.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yes, Marvin next October, Leon dry Sitle Yeah, ay night,
hell yeah of the day.
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Speaker 2 (13:33):
Hall of Famer Charles Barkley back on the program. Are
you unemployed right now?
Speaker 7 (13:39):
No? I signed a deal last week.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Dan, Okay, When do you start working with ESPN.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
Next year when the season starts?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh? Okay, So there's nothing going on from now until
the start of next season.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
No, you know, I.
Speaker 13 (13:56):
Took my time trying to figure out. My big thing
was the work schedule, and I got together. I spent
working on it for like two months, and I got
together with T and T last week and I signed
the deal.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So how many days a week? Are you gonna work
at the mother Ship?
Speaker 13 (14:14):
Well, you know it's I don't even think they know
the exact schedule, to be honest with.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You, so you better know the exact schedule.
Speaker 13 (14:21):
Well, I'm gonna trust trust them, you know, cause that's
been my biggest concern.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (14:28):
So, like I said, I didn't officially assign it to
last week. I said I'd worked for two more years
and that's what I agreed to, and I'm gonna have
to trust them. But I listen, you know, if they
start trying to work me too much between ESPN TNT,
I'm just gonna walk on home, you know, because listen,
(14:49):
I actually have seven years left on my contract. I'm like, yeah,
there's no way I'm working seven years. I says, you know,
I'm gonna be a good soldier for Kenny, Ernie and
Shaq and the people I work with, because I love
the people I worked with, especially behind the scenes. I said,
but the best I can do is two years and
the mother five years. They got no chance to happen,
and so I said, you know what, I give y'all
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two years.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
They're like, can we get three? I said, I just
told you I won't.
Speaker 13 (15:12):
Get you you know, David, it was so fun. I said,
I get I'll give you two years that can we
get three? I said, I just told you I was.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Gonna get you two.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Welcome to the SPN way of life.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Though this is the.
Speaker 13 (15:26):
Tn T people, Uh because because my I think my
my contract technically is still with T and T.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Okay, okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Yeah, I'm gonna be a good soldier.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
What was that feeling like last show?
Speaker 13 (15:42):
Well, I was fine until Ernie started getting emotional and
then I started tearing up. And I'm glad that they
only had the camera on him, you know, because Kenny
and Shaq, you know, they were just talking. I was like, okay,
he did, but Ernie was emotional. Uh, the crowd was great.
Uh But like I said, man, you've been I've been
with these people for twenty five years.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
It's a great thing. You know.
Speaker 13 (16:04):
The NBA family has been tremendous to us. The fans
have been tremendous for us. But you know, I will admit,
you know, I'm looking forward. You know, ESPN is the
most famous sports brand ever and it's gonna be Uh,
it's gonna be awesome working for them, and uh, nobody
knows what's gonna happen. I mean, I think that's the
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only thing that like, what are we actually gonna do?
So I think that's that's the only thing. But like
I say, I did not want to leave people out
in the cold, so I say, hey, you know what,
let me do it for a couple of years and
then y'all can have it.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Okay, But does the show look like the show? It's
just it's inside the NBA, but it's on ESPN. Is
that how you're like positioning this, dad, We.
Speaker 13 (16:53):
Don't even know you see that that That's one of
the reasons I was waiting, like, yeah, I don't know
what we're doing. And then TNT is trying to do
something stupid behind the scenes. We taped the pilot about
a month ago, and it was the stupidest shit I've
ever seen my life, you know, because because because we're
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not going to be on ESPN as much as people think.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Wait, wait, what do you mean you taped a pilot?
Speaker 13 (17:21):
Well, because ESPN, Because we're only probably going to be
working for ESPN like half the time to one third
at a time. So I think TNT wants to do something,
and we taped the pilot about a month ago and
it was the stupidest shit ever.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Okay, so you're still going to do a show, an
NBA show on TNT, and you're gonna do a show
on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yes, okay, good.
Speaker 13 (17:48):
But but like I say, if they're being honest, we're
gonna probably work on ESPN one third or half the time.
But they're trying to do something stupid at t N
T which which which is?
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Which is? Number one?
Speaker 13 (18:06):
Is the stupid idea for a couple of reasons. Number one,
we won't we won't. We won't have basketball highlights. But
also we're probably going to be going up against the
NBA game, And I don't anybody who likes basketball ain't
gonna say, hey, you know what, let me turn off
an NBA games on Amazon, ESPN or NBC to go
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watch these four dudes hit around and talk about nothing.
So it's complicated. And like I say, we taped the
pilot doing stupid stuff and it was just stupid stuff.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
And I wouldn't want to go out like that.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Okay, is this like a second screen or a manning can? Like,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 7 (18:51):
They don't know?
Speaker 13 (18:54):
They listen, Oh my god, I'm telling you Dan, it
was interesting we were sitting there taping it. Well, I
will admit one thing. I give tn T credit. They
did say it was awful pilot.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
They were honest with you.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
They were honest. They were honest.
Speaker 13 (19:10):
They were like, we just uh so they want to
do something. But like I say, the problem we got
we gotta be going up because they're gonna be probably much. Well, no,
that's gonna be an n big NBA game on every night,
so whenever we do it, it's gonna be up against
the NBA game. So that's the first problem. So, but
I guess they want to feel like they're doing something
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to make us earn our money from tn T.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Charles Barkley joining us inside the NBA. Uh on t
n T, is it gonna be?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
What's the show called on t n T? And is
what's the show called on ESPN?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Man?
Speaker 13 (19:50):
Then then first of all, I guess inside the n
B A I think, and and I guess it's gonna
be just inside the NBA on ESPN, ABC.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
I think that's easy. But I think so I forget.
Speaker 13 (20:05):
I think the pilot is called inside the NBA.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
That's not confusing.
Speaker 13 (20:11):
Well, well, you know, you know the thing that was
hilarious about it. Then we didn't have any NBA.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
But you know, you have no rights to the NBA,
but you're outside of the NBA.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
That's right. We can't show highlights. We can't show highlights.
Speaker 13 (20:27):
So we were sitting there for like an hour and
a half taking this pilot and we were looking at
each other, what the hell are we doing? But like
I say, I give TNT credit the first thing they
said out of the pilot.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Yeah, that was really stupid. We got to figure something out.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
What role do you think Michael Jordan's going to play
with NBC's coverage.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Oh, that's a great question. I don't know.
Speaker 13 (20:53):
I don't see Michael ban on television a lot. I mean,
I don't see Michael Bean on television a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Be honest with you, why do you think he's doing this?
Speaker 13 (21:02):
I have a zero idea. I think it's great that
he's gonna be part of the NBA. I mean, he's
in my opinion, no disrespect to Kobe or Lebron, he's
the greatest player I've seen. I have no idea why
he's doing it, but it's a welcome addition. I mean, yo, man,
I you know, this is gonna be interesting going forward
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because there's so much money out there right now. Dan, like,
they got to do everything in their power to engage fans.
I mean the money to the NBC, Amazon and ESPN
are paying, you know. You know, I tell people we
were paying about one point two billion dollars a year,
and it goes up to two point five billion. Those
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numbers don't compute, So you're gonna have to do everything
in your power to draw fans. I think it's gonna
be fascinating going forward how this thing is going to work.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
What do you think Jordan would get paid today if
he was playing, Well, he'd be.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
The first one hundred million dollar player.
Speaker 13 (22:04):
Well, well, first of all, we gonna have guys making
seventy eight and ninety million dollars in three to four years. Yeah,
you know, but you know, man, bless these guys as
long as they appreciate how lucky they are and don't
think they're making all that money because they're great players.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
They were just born at the right time. We got
a bunch of great players.
Speaker 13 (22:24):
But man, these guys, I just hope they appreciate how
lucky they are and stop this BS with low management.
You know, we can't keep crapping on the fans where
we're like, yeah, wait, ye know, you're making seventy million dollars.
You can't play basketball four days a week, you can't
work two days in a row. And you want doctors
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and nurses, en firemen and comps and people in the
military and people who got like work in the cement factory. Like,
wait a minute, I make twenty dollars an hour. This
dude makes seventy million dollars and he can't play back
to back. Come on, man, I think that's an insult
to the fans, and it might be a problem. It
was already a problem, but when this money like double
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and triple, the fans gonna are like, yeah, I'm not
watching this crap at them more up. These dudes can't
play two games in a row. Can you imagine you
a fan and you get like a great player who
comes west to east or east to west. He's on
the coming one time a year and the tickets are ridiculous,
and you're like, yeah, he played last night. Uh So
(23:31):
I think there's some things we got to answer a
basketball players going forward.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, but you're making whatever, twenty million dollars a year
and you only want to work two days a week.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
I show up every day, though, Hey, listen, I show up.
I show up every day.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Then, okay, back back to back, so.
Speaker 13 (23:54):
Back to back? Wait, like going the playoffs. You know,
we worked like six days a week, and I show
up every day those six Hey, then you know what
these guys you know.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I apologize, I apologize. I didn't realize the work schedule,
the workload.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
You have my bad.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Oh he's just wait just oh there you go? Are
you back? You you can hear me now?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
No, you froze up right after I said that with
the apology, and I thought you were you know, it
was a dramatic pausee there.
Speaker 13 (24:26):
So because it was a dramatic pause, you just changed me.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Dan, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I didn't show shank you change. I thought it was
shaw shanked. Oh yeah, I sure changed you, But I
didn't shaw shak you.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (24:41):
Okay, but but you know these guys out there, you know,
I'm so old. We flew commercial and played it back
to back, and these guys got the best private planes,
they got the best medical staff, they got these cold
water plunges.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
They got the hyperbaric change.
Speaker 13 (25:01):
I mean, they got the best shoes and they can't
play basketball two days in a row for fifty sixty
million dollars.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
That's the craziest stuff ever.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Man, Well, this will be crazy, I'm sure to you.
But I brought this up to Stephen Jackson last week.
I said, you know, can you see a time or
get ready for Larry Bird dropping out as one of
the top ten players of all time? Like, could you
see a scenario where Larry is not ranked in the
top ten all time?
Speaker 13 (25:29):
Well, let me say this. The three most important figures
in NBA history are Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan.
You know, there are a lot of great players, but
there's only a few guys who transcend the sport. I'll
throw Kobe in there, I'll throw Lebron in there, I'll
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strow Steph in there, and there are a lot of
really really good players, but nobody can take away the
historic significant Remember Day Carr was one of the greatest
ever against mad When I say this, before Magic Johnson,
Lara Berry, the league was too black, two thuggery, the
average salary was two hundred thousand dollars. Now the average
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salary is like twelve million dollars and magic and Bird
started the transformation. Michael Jordan took it to a whole
other level. He got guys making one hundred million dollars
from Nike now and other shoe brands. That's all Michael
Jordan's and you because you look at the same thing
in golf, Garrett, Player, Arnold and Jack. They are the
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three foundational pieces and tiger Woods that once in a
generation player who was Michael Jordan And golf. There are
a lot of great players. Phil Michs is probably the
only other person in that conversation in golf, but there's
very few after leats in every sport that people can say, oh,
you know, yeah, he's playing, I'm going to watch.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
That does not mean we don't have a lot.
Speaker 13 (26:55):
Of great players, like right now, we got Shade, we
got the Joeker, we got Jannis, we got Lebron Luke,
all these guys, but there are very few players that
transcend their sport. So no matter what happens with Bird,
as far as that him and Matty Johnson are the
two most important figures in NBA history in my opinion,
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then I say, then we all old Michael, because when
Michael's you know when he started doing commercials that changed
everything for everybody. Now because of Michael, I was making
millions of dollars from wearing Nike. Nobody was doing that.
Nobody had a signature shoe or they were making one
hundred million dollars a year. That's all because of Michael.
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That's why, regardless of all this other stuff, this Lebron stuff,
this Kobe stuff, people buy shoes because of Michael freaking Jordan.
That's it, I mean, And that's no disrespect to anybody. Yes,
some of these other guys out here selling shoes, miche't
you try to make people wearing shoes to wedding. Nobody
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ever thought about wearing shoes to weddings until I could
do it.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Think about that, Dan, did you ever wear Air Jordan's
when you played?
Speaker 7 (28:13):
I'll tell you what's interesting about that.
Speaker 13 (28:15):
When Michael had pulled me aside and told me we
went out smoking cigars the last time. He said, the
Marty that flew down, he said, I got something to
tell you, guys. He flew down to Houston and he
takes us out. We go out to dinner. We got
to smoke some cigars, he says, guys, I'm just giving
you all the heads up. I'm gonna retire to the
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end of the season. I'm like, what am And Amad
was like, I think he's serious. He said, I'm gonna
retire to the end of the season. So I called
him like a week later, and I said, oh, man,
that's a tribute. Because you know, remember when Mattie Johnson
announced he had AIDS. I wanted to pay homage to him.
I called Billy Cunningham and said, Hey, can I wear
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your jersey to celebrate Magic Johnson? He said sure, no problem,
I said, because, and I called Irvan. I say, hey, Man,
for everything you did for me and my family, I'm
gonna wear number thirty two all year. So I wore
thirty two one year. But I called Michael and I said, hey,
send me a pair of shoes. I just want to
tell you how much I appreciate everything you did for me.
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Give me that give me that advice on that Nike
stock that made me a thirty million dollars And.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Uh that was an insider trading, was it?
Speaker 7 (29:29):
No?
Speaker 13 (29:30):
Because you know, at the time I was making about
three million dollars a year and we were playing golf
and he said, Chuck I was talking to somebody, so
I want you to quit taking three million, take a million,
and take the other two million and stock options. So
I called my people and they say, hey, Michael told
me to do that, because Michael's always been a brilliant businessman.
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And they're like, this is risky. You think he gonna
be that great? I says, Man, I ain't ever seen
nobody like that, dude, because I had met him at
the Olympic trials. I said, he gonna be amazing, he says,
And we did it, and like I said, I ended
up probably making seriously another fifty million dollars to be
honest with you, but he made me trade that in.
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But the point I was making, man, I put his
shoes on one game I had. He definitely did the
greatest damn basketball player ever then.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
Those were the heaviest down there ever played in in
my life.
Speaker 13 (30:24):
I'm not even joking, because when I designed my shoes,
more of them really really like I played in those
heavy ass air Jordans. One game it was like I
had bricks on my damn feet then. And I've been
one hundred percent serious. I called him man. I actually
called him after the game. I said yo, Man, what
the hell you be putting in these damn shoes? I
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mean they were so damn heavy. Then I said, hey,
I played in them one game as attribute to him.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
How these shoes too damn heavy for me? Man, that's
a true story.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Then it makes it even more amazing what Mike did
in those air Jordan's.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
I think they're really out of damn bricks.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Do you think he could have had them design a
special pair for you that maybe were a little heavy,
you know, Mike's very competitive.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
No, because he got them to me like in two days.
Speaker 13 (31:17):
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, no, he had time to put
no bricks in them. But man, them suits were heavy
as hell.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Man, before I let you go, Uh, what kind of
chance do you give the Pacers against Okasee.
Speaker 13 (31:29):
I think they can make it competitive, but I've been
saying for months nobody can beat that team four times
in a week. The Pacers got a good team. But
the okay, see, they're one of the best teams I've
seen a long time. They're the deepest. They might be
the deepest NBA team I've ever seen. They be playing
guys who don't even play like the last series, and
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they put them in the game, they're like, damn, what
he been so And that's kind of the really negate
the Patriots, the pacersch which beat them to help them
beat the Knicks because the Thunder they're bringing better players
off the bench than the Pacer. The Pacers got a
terrific bench, but Oklahoma City got better bench players. So
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I hope it's a good series, but I don't think
anybody can beat Okay see four times in a week.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Great to talk to you. Perhaps I'll see you in Tahoe.
You a coward, Dan, No, I'm going to go out there.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Oh you're not gonna play.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Well, they didn't invite me. I might be working.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
You won't be working.
Speaker 13 (32:37):
We play on a Friday afternoon, on Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I'm bringing I think I might bring the show out
to Tahoe.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
You bring it out, and I do. I should do
How long you how long you own?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Three hours?
Speaker 13 (32:51):
I'll give you an hour one day, me and you.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
But last time you came to Tahoe, you missed about
six little three inch give you.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I know, yeah, as we have to put out I know,
I know. I did pick up my ball one time.
Like that's good, right, And then I was like, oh no.
People looked at me like what are you doing? I
wasn't that good? Then like no, you got to play them,
got to play them.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
All the way to Dame.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
I know, yes you do? Brother all right?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Uh yeah, I'll see you maybe in July.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
All right, brother s.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
All right, be sure to catch the live edition of
The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six
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Speaker 2 (33:38):
Greg Zankee, SEC Commissioner kind enough to join us. It's
been kind of busy here in the off season. Never
stops for you. Recap what happened last week? Give me
the cliff notes version.
Speaker 10 (33:50):
Spent a lot of time in overly air conditioned meeting
rooms in in Florida, UH with athletics directors, head coaches, football, men's,
women's basket ball in our presence, and chancellors. Talked about
our football schedule, the college football playoff, potential settlement of
a set of lawsuits that would introduce a revenue sharing
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model to college sports, and we talked about any other
number of issues like our softball tournament location that are
probably more mundane than you want to jump into on
a Monday morning, but happy to talk about softball and
gymnastics championships locations for the conference if you'd like.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well, that's why I wanted to have you on. But
let's get some of these ancillary things out of the right.
That's fair, Okay, let me start with basketball and then
we'll get to football, the discussions of seventy two to
seventy six teams, any discussion from the SEC portion of this.
Speaker 10 (34:48):
I introduced the issue to our men's basketball coaches, which
I think we've talked about with that group before.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I would guess Dan, given.
Speaker 10 (34:56):
The other issues we have on our plate, that that
that conversation maybe lasted five minutes. My points to them were,
this is still a work in progress. I didn't know
that there was going to be kind of a press gathering.
This is not a criticism. Charlie Baker spoke about tournament expansion.
I think the day after our basketball coaches gathered. I
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mentioned it to our wins basketball coaches as well. Briefly,
didn't really go anywhere, and so my introduction was, I
just want you to be aware probably towards the end.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Of the month this will come up.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
I said.
Speaker 10 (35:33):
My view is, I think we should be exploring tournament expansion.
Whether or not it happens, it is actually another point
of evaluation. So have the conversation deep dive figure out
if it works practically competitively economically. I think the one
issue for us is if it is expanded. Let's pick
the number of seventy six and I'll do quick math
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for you. So fifty two of the seventy six teams
would be like in that traditional first round, the other
twenty four would play in twelve games. The twelve winners
meet up with the fifty two. There's your sixty fourteen bracket.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Right.
Speaker 10 (36:08):
That's like from my intermural director days at you to
the cop.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
That's so I know how brackets work.
Speaker 10 (36:14):
I'm really interested and we're interested as in a league
is who fills those twelve games those other twenty four teams?
Speaker 5 (36:22):
The kind of Dayton model, if you will, which is.
Speaker 10 (36:24):
A men's basketball side, is it's a combination of the
lowest aqs, the lowest rated aqs kind of by placement
of the committee, and then the last at large teams
in and I kind of pivot to look look to
North Carolina State last year eleven seed. They were an AQ,
but they went to the final four, and it's just
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kind of an indication that competitively, those top fifty or
so teams, you know, things fall right, injuries, heel can
make really good runs. So I'm not one who thinks
we should just follow the Dayton model automatically have expanded
engine takes place.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
So that was my reference to our.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Coaches when our decisions made or voted on for expansion
for the college football playoffs.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 10 (37:12):
By agreement that the outer boundary is November thirty December
one of this year for the twenty six playoff. Now
keep in mind, when we went to twelve teams, the
board said that'll be the format for twenty twenty six.
Let's start early if we can, which we obviously did
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I think did overall in a successful way.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
But what was.
Speaker 10 (37:37):
Introduced immediately is let's go through these two years and
conduct an evaluation. So we're in that evaluation standpoint. A
lot of talk about really fourteen or sixteen that I
think twelve is known as as kind of a foundation point,
But the conversation is about fourteen or sixteen, and then
how our team selected or placed into whatever size brat
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it exists is the more the headline question. Okay, but
what model do you like. Well, I've been one who
said over time, I'd give no allocation. So this whole
five to seven thing that exists now, I just make
it the twelve best teams.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
And I was clear on that.
Speaker 10 (38:17):
Now, when we get into rooms, we make political compromises,
if you will, small p not like Congress political compromises,
but to achieve an outcome.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
But he decides on the top twelve teams selection committee.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Yeah, but here's what I think. I think we've not.
Speaker 10 (38:35):
We spent so much time expanding and working through our
own little side arguments about teams and all we can't
do this, we need this. You got to protect this
bowl game or that bowl game. We never went back
to the essence of decision making, which is how our
team selected. As everyone relocated over the last four or
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five years. Do the analyses that existed in work for
the fourteen playoff in twenty fourteen still have the same
relevance And we're behind that curve in my opinion. That's
why other ideas are introduced and considered, and we've looked
at ideas. You know, this allocation of it's called automatic bids,
that's such a harsh term. I think allocations is one
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where I like that word because we've already we already
allocated And look at last year we had two teams
not in the top four. They get to move up
because of the political compromise. We have a team outside
the twelve that moves in, and then the teams that
are displaced look around and say, hey, wait a second,
that doesn't make any sense any longer. That introduces the
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questions around should that model continue or should that allocation
model expand where other teams are brought in.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Talking to Greg Sankie, SEC Commissioner, we've talked about this before.
You know, given the scheduling and hotel rooms and travel
of receding after the first round games, Kent, is that
on the table at all anymore?
Speaker 10 (40:05):
Well, not really receding, because almost what a week and
a half ago for the twenty five season, this college
Football Playoff Management Committee, which is the commissioners and the
Notre Dame Athletic Director, agreed to just go to straight
seating by ranking. So the movement of teams outside the
top four into the top four that won't happen in
twenty twenty five. You're gonna get what you earn, same
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for home games. We've not gone back into the receiving question.
And Dan, if you go back to June of twenty one,
which was like ancient history in college sports, when the
twelve team model was introduced, and we went back through
this about a month ago with everybody involved on that
management committee, one of the questions was should we be
in receding. We never really got back to that because
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you remember, the SEC had this little expansion to sixteen,
great disruption in the forest. Then we had twenty two
in expansion of the big ten. So he waited around
for a year and now we've been in hurry up
mode since. So we haven't talked so much about receding
as we did just about honoring the rankings in the bracket.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Help me understand, you know, the report on Cooper Flag
as he made close to thirty million dollars is one
year at Duke. That's that's nil. Help me understand as
the athlete moves forward of the salaries and nil and
any restrictions, any compromises that will be there for these
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that's marquee athletes, let's call him.
Speaker 10 (41:36):
Without commenting on the Cooper Flag story, I haven't seen that,
and you know, nobody's sending me financial documents to verify.
As you can imagine in this environment.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
A couple points.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
One is this settlement that's positioned in a set of
lawsuits has great impact on the answer to your question
if the settlement is approved for the first time at
the college level, and really quite innovative in the sports realm,
would be the process for overseeing third party name image
and likeness to establish there's an appropriate range of compensation
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and fair market excuse me, in real business purposes fulfilled
around name.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
Image and likeness deals.
Speaker 10 (42:21):
That's not like novel, It just hasn't existed as we've
gone on this state by state exploration of kind of
reducing any regulatory system for college sports.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Nil.
Speaker 10 (42:32):
So I think that's a first step, and that's one
component third party name image and likeness. The second is
what I think will be kind of a name image
and likeness activity within a revenue sharing model where athletic
programs are providing that payment directly to student athletes. That
can be a better system. There has to be a
commitment to make it work. And I still am one
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who thinks that notion of having fifty different state laws
governing is highly problematic. You're not going to have college
World Series. You can't run Final fours and national championships
that way. You run something more like high school championships,
where every state kind of walls off it's and establishes
its own rules. And I think that has to be
understood as a significant point of concern. That's why the
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return of national standards in the congressional conversation still has meaning.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
What would stop me as a businessman if I wanted
the top quarterback in college football to come to Alabama
and I want to give him twenty five million dollars
a year.
Speaker 10 (43:34):
Right now, there hasn't been a lot. This is the
states migrate away from any oversight of their own laws
or any regulation. If the settlement is approved, I go
back to that third party oversight, and it would depend
on your classification. Assuming you have some affiliation, you've provided
money donations to the university involved. You then kick into
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this third party in aisle oversight, and the ability for
somebody to be deemed at an appropriate real business purpose
and range of compensation level would be involved. And if
it doesn't, there'll be an opportunity to adjust your offer.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I would love for conferences or maybe there's somebody who
can be like the NFL has somebody who does this scheduling,
like I would love. You know, we might lose Notre
Dame in USC like I'm I don't know, maybe I'm
the get off my line, the old guy. But you know,
can you come up with scheduling that we don't lose
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Texas versus Oklahoma or whatever? Oklahoma State Oklahoma? I should say,
I don't want to lose these rights. We don't have
many left. And I don't know if college football could
ever have a schedule overseer. So we do have marquee matchups.
This is this is entertainment. It's TV non conference. You know,
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what do you think of that?
Speaker 10 (44:55):
I think a couple things. Let's go back to the
college football playoffs, so I've been there. Is it being
a plenty kind of side comments about good of the game,
whatever that means. And when programs like when wake Forest
notifies Old Miss the day before their first game of
a home and home series that we're not playing the
one back in Oxford.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
That's a problem. When when Nebraska.
Speaker 10 (45:19):
Cancels an agreement to play Tennessee home and home and sites,
and I'm not criticizing their athletic director.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
This is a reality.
Speaker 10 (45:26):
Cites the college football playoff selection process as a fundamental
reason why we have to understand the college football playoffs
selection process is threatening the regular season, not supporting it.
Remember all those conversations people had about, hey, if you
expand the playoff, you're going to diminish the regular season.
I think there is something to that. I just think
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everybody missed that the regular season was being changed by
the college football playoff. So point one is whether people
agree or not. I think the first issue that has
to be addressed is the selection criteria incentivizing playing these
highly competitive, highly desired games, whether that's non conference or conference.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
That's one. The second is I.
Speaker 10 (46:13):
Think conferences coming together to facilitate this scheduling is important,
and I'll just take ourselves. We facilitate four end of
year non conference games last week of the season. We've
had schools actually leave our league and come back, and
we facilitated those games when they've wanted to play. So
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I think from my perspective, I'm happy for a coordinated
conversation to try to get scheduling right. But I do
think you have to go back to at the forefront
of everyone's mind is how decisions about the postseason are
going to be made.
Speaker 7 (46:49):
And that's the.
Speaker 10 (46:50):
Point I've made more subtly than of late, and more
directly in the most recent comments, because I do think
that leads the agenda of what must be addressed in
college football scheduling is how this postseason selection guides people's thinking.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Give me the one thing that keeps you up at
night that has to do with where we are or
where we're headed.
Speaker 10 (47:15):
If I could, if I like, if I could have
one thing to keep me up at night, I'd sleep
like a baby again.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
So let's just stipulate that I would be out like
a light.
Speaker 10 (47:25):
I wake up every day on issues around the relationship
with our student athletes, and that's both the economic relationship.
I'm concerned about the lifelong impact, about the amount of
money that flows into somebody's life when the motion maturity.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
May not be there.
Speaker 10 (47:44):
You know, how do you go take a fifty thousand
dollars entry level job and we'd run these ads that
ninety eight percent of the people on the athletic fields
or courts or tracks are going pro and something else.
And you've had your own personal economics or value. How
do you learn those lifelong lessons. I think the transfer
environment is linked to that, perhaps the inability to walk
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through some of the difficult moments in life. Hey, it's
not every transfer is a problematic transfer. And I speak
as somebody who transferred a couple of times. You're trying
to figure it out, especially if you're a first generation
college student, Like you don't have somebody pulling you aside
and helping you understand. Hey, maybe if you stick it out,
build your legacy in one place, receive some economic benefit,
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have educational and relational continuity, You come out as a
more prepared adult for what's next in life.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
The combination of.
Speaker 10 (48:39):
Those factors, the economic relationship, the transfer decisions, and then
the lifelong impacts that come from that we're not going
to know for a while. Those are at the top
of what keeps me up at night.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I propose this well to myself, but on my show
probably ten years ago, that if you have players who
are coming to school because they think they're going to
be a professional athlete, can you have some kind of
curriculum that helps them with investing, balancing a checkbook, real estate,
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think taxes, things that have to do that. Are you
know the history of Mesopotamia. While I took the course
hasn't helped me today. But if you're taking something that
does prepare you, and college is supposed to prepare you.
If I go to college and we have, you know,
some kind of symbiotic relationship of I'm coming to use you,
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you're using me. I don't have any interesting staying in school,
But can you help them with things that will help
them in what they want to do?
Speaker 10 (49:41):
A few points like I studied the Mesopotamian thing and
had the same reaction. Then I went to the British
Museum and there's a section on Mesopotamia and I'm like, hey,
I read about this when I was fourteen or something
like that. That's one second. I think if it's if
it's only in life, do what you want and not
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challenge you to broaden your horizons, I think we lose
an opportunity to help young people grow. So I would
never suggest we just walk away from a broad educational experience. Third,
sure could we pivot and there are plenty of electives,
There are plenty of ways to learn. But our athletics
departments provide pretty deep financial literacy programs. In fact, I've
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debated with current student athletes, like should I not pay
taxes right now on my earnings and wait and paint
at the end of the year and then go into
quarterly tax payments for kind of ten ninety nine work
so that I can.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
Invest that money.
Speaker 10 (50:38):
I'm talking about nineteen and twenty year olds in business
classes and taking financial literacy classes through their athletics department.
It's not the lack of provision of education information and
contexts that people involved have to receive that whether it's Mesopotamia,
real estate deals, or how to balance your checkbook, It's
not just that the educational opportunity and the information is provided.
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They have a responsibility to understand. They have to consume
that information, internalize it, and muse it. And I would
say too for the people around the student athlete, for
the young person involved in college athletics.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
You know, the notion that.
Speaker 10 (51:16):
What's happening around nil payments just continues all the way
through life, I think can be kind of a perceived
pot of gold at the end of a rainbow that
it's just going to continue. And I think we all
know that hard work, dedication, perseverance, taking a risk here,
and they're betting on yourself. Those are the things through
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the next forty years of life that sets you up
for success, not that defined area between you know, eighteen
and twenty two. In fact, there's a John Grisham novel
called Bleachers about a high school football player. And I'll
paraphrase one of the lines in this novel and hey,
it's a novel, but it's pretty wise. Which is the
worst thing that can happen to somebody, is that become
the biggest deal ever when they're eighteen or nineteen years old,
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because there's a whole lifetime ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Big twelve ACC commissioners on your Christmas card list, you guys.
Speaker 10 (52:06):
So yeah, Hey, disagreements. Finally, one of my great conversations
a oneth to go. Roy Kramer, who was SEC Commissioner
number six, was telling me stories about going to me
with Jim Delaney and Tom Hanson, who was the PAC
twelve commissioner, and like he said, we walk out of
that room and we hated each other, and then we
went home and we got to work and figured it out.
I think disagreement's absolutely fine. It makes us better. And
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I think for the fact that we comment about each other.
We have a conversation as the four of us tomorrow
and yeah, we rub each other all from time or time,
but we do have a responsibility to work together and
I think each each of us understands that responsibility.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Play nice, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (52:45):
Okay, we'll go to the sandbox and see what we
can do.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
And it's Greg Sanki, SEC Commissioner,
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
It didn't take long after the Knicks were limited on
Saturday that the finger pointing has started in New York
and most of the fingers are pointed at Carl Anthony Towns.
So there were reports out of New York suggesting the
team grew increasingly frustrated with Carl Anthony Town's defensive habits
throughout the playoffs. This isn't a new revelation. He's never
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been a good defender, and he's a he's a what
do you say, Marvin. He is not a big man.
He's a tall man.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Correct, Okay, right, He's not a power forward. He's just
a forward.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
He's really good at scoring, really good at scoring, and
he's good at letting the other team score as well.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
But he's not a rim protector.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Like I don't this this of all the things coming
out of New York. Man, you gotta blame somebody. We
didn't go to the finals. So it's Karl Anthony Towns.
You traded for him, You knew exactly what you were getting.
There's no secret. It's not like he stopped playing defense
once he got to New York. He didn't play it
in Minnesota. That's why they had the stifled tower in there,
(01:14):
Rudy and the go Bears. Because Carl Anthony Towns is
he's a seven foot shooting guard.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yes, Mark, the Pacers were targeting Carl Anthony Towns in
the fourth quarter that pick and roll barbecue chicken.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, See if Karl Anthony Towns, who doesn't play defense,
Jalen Brunts is undersized. He's not a good defender either.
And you're playing for a coach who is a defensive
minded coach. So you can blame Karl Anthony Towns defensively.
Offensively played really well. His numbers were really good. But
if the Knicks want to start pointing fingers, I think
(01:50):
I'd look in the mirror right now, because now what
do you do? Karl Anthony Town's going to be one
and done. Now all of a sudden, you're going to
try to package you. Now I'm hearing, hey, would you
trade Karl Anthony town straight up for uh Jannis? I
go wait, if I'm Milwaukee, No, if I'm the Knicks,
(02:10):
of course, would you trade Karl Anthony Towns straight up
for Kevin Durant?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I don't. I mean it's a lot younger guy.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I mean, these are the things that you're hearing already
in New York this morning, and I'm thinking, would I
try to package something for uh Jannis? Sure, but you
got to give me something more than Karl Anthony Towns.
I always wonder, you know, when we have these trade proposals,
why are you getting rid of that guy?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Jannis may want out, and he's still one of the
top five players, but he wants out because he wants
to win a championship. Karl Anthony Towns doesn't want out
of New York. They might money him out of New York.
He had one more block shot than I did in
the entire series against Indiana. You're seven feet tall. Jalen
Brunson had more blocks than Karl Anthony Towns. Out of
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the Day brought to you by Panadi America, the official
trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. We should not
be surprised at any of this. Usually what happens is,
remember Joker can't play defense. Remember that was the knock
that he wasn't going to win the MVPA. Hey, he
can't play defense. Well, they're called defensive rebounds, and he's
one of the best defensive rebounders in the game. Looking,
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I mean, it looks like Bill Russell compared to Karl
Anthony Towns. But you know, Jaylen Brunson. It's never been
brought up that Jalen Brunson can't play defense. Never, but
he can't. He's undersized. You know, he's a great offensive player.
You know, has some bad passes, stupid fouls sometimes, but
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you know, I love watching him play. But we'll single
out like Steph Curry guard anybody. Steve Nash can't guard anybody. Joker.
Not a good defender that you know. Somehow that tips
the scales to some Nobody's ever said if Shay Gilgess
can play defense.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I've never heard it.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But sometimes when you're pointing out somebody, Hey, he's really
good on offense, but he's terrible on defense. Like Luca Oh,
he's a bad defender. Okay, he's a really good offensive player.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I do know that.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
So at the end of the day, how does it
even out. He's probably going to have more points than
you and more assists than you. But when it comes
to defense, Karl Anthony Towns can't play defense. No one
should be surprised because he has never been able to
and now are you going to have him on the move?
But you got to have somebody to blame. They're even
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asking the question to Jalen Brunson about is Tom Thibodeau
the right coach for the Knicks?
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Gentle when you talk about the confidence, obviously, I feel
like nobody takes more criticism than Tom, and this team
obviously has turned around during his tenure. Do you kind
of feel that going forward he's the same guy left
you guys the rest of the way at next level?
Speaker 7 (05:10):
Is that a real question? Right now? He just asked
me if I believe that, if he's the right guy?
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yes, thanks, guys.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
On awkward?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Is that a real question? What do you think he's
gonna say? First of all, and okay, maybe you're trying
to lead the witness a little bit. Maybe maybe he
gives you something, but he's going to back his guy.
Do you think he's the right guy?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
No? No, I do not.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
All right, guys that thank you have good off season? Yes, Todd,
even in.
Speaker 8 (05:44):
A moment of terrible disappointment that if you don't love
the question, now you're looking to embarrass the reporter of
there is there another way Brunton could have made his point.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
With that, Oh no, no, no, no, you're backing your guy. No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
But you can't back him by saying, of course he's
our guys. You have to say, come on, you're really
asking me that.
Speaker 7 (06:01):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, I think in that situation you want to back
your guy. Maybe over back your guy. But yeah, I
probably would have said the same thing. Is he the
right guy?
Speaker 8 (06:13):
He's the right guy. We haven't lost any confidence in him.
He's taken us this far and we'll go that much
further next year. Really, dude, that's what you.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
Got for me?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Okay, but do you you don't blame the reporter for
asking that question.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
Not the greatest question, but the question was asked, and
you have an opportunity to embarrass him in front of
his peers or answer it short of make him feel foolish.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I'm going to side with Jalen Brunson with that.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You just lost. Hey, do you think Tom's still the
guy to lead you? Is that a Is that a
real question?
Speaker 8 (06:45):
What would you say to those who think Tom Tibdos
should be with another team next year and you should have?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I would say, who are those people?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
There are people who some say no, no, I would
turn it back on you because that that is our fallback.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You know where we go.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know, people are saying I would say, who's saying
let me know who those people are.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
They're nameless right now, but they are saying that Ben Stiller.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Ben Stiller saying that Timothy Shalomey is saying that, Yes, Seed.
Speaker 9 (07:17):
You kind of sound like in forty year Old Virgin
where they're like, uh no, just always ask questions to women.
You just ask whatever they say back, She's like, how
you doing?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
How are you doing? Can I help you find something?
I don't know? Can you help me find something?
Speaker 10 (07:35):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Pole question? First hour is gonna be what you like
to do it yourself. Let's see we got some options here.
Speaker 9 (07:43):
How about this off season the Knicks need to make
a dot dot dot big move or minor tweaks.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well, I think when they lost Isaiah Hartenstein, I really
liked him, I mean, very underrated. Now he's playing for OKC,
but but I mean Karl Anthony Towns. That's he says
that he is kind of revolutionizing the big man or
whatever his compliment was of his game. He is a
skilled scorer. But okay, if you have a defensive minded coach.
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You got an undersized point guard, and you got a
big man who's not really a big man. Okay, now,
Anonobi and Michale Bridges and Mitchell Robbins, Okay, Josh Hart,
you guys better play some really, really good defense because
those guys can't.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Would I still inquire about Giannis? Absolutely? I mean every
team should. Toronto's another team that's emerging now if there
should be, Boston should be in the mix with this.
But what are you giving? What are you giving Milwaukee?
Obviously the Knicks would go, hey, we want him, What
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are you giving up? Well, you're not giving up Brunson.
You know, Annonobe, you you got draft picks and you
know you got to make all this work here. But
we we live in a fantasy world sometimes with these trades.
We're like, man, the Knicks are going to get this guy.
It's like you know sports radio call in people talking
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about the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
You know, we we we.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Want to get this guy, and we're going to give
up you know, Luis Soto or whoever you know, Yes, time.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
Assuming you're not going to make up a heart either, is
that you giving up Bridges and Cat that's enough to
get Giannis.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I don't even want to go down that road because
it's silly.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's it's you know, you're trying to put pieces together,
and you got four first round picks, and then you're
going to throw in this and this and this and this.
It's really hard to make these kind of moves unless
sometimes you need a third team involved in this.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
But do the.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Knicks need to make a move? I think so.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I mean they made a move last season and then
all of a sudden they missed Julius Randall because Randall,
you know, he's a good passer and he he'll play defense. Now,
all of a sudden they never should have gotten and
Julius Randall.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
Uh yeah, Seaton, Right, you're gonna have to do like
to get Jannis Karl Anthony Towns in like three first
round picks or something. So now now you're starting to
look at the twenty thirty draft, the first round, the
conditional first round, some of these things.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, it's tough because if you're going to trading there,
where are those draft picks going to be? I mean,
you're going to get the twenty sixth pick in the draft,
because that's what it would be with the Knicks with
how they finished so but all right, so we kind
of have a poll question here. The Nicks should do
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something small medium, Look, I should.
Speaker 9 (10:45):
They'd make a big move or just some minor tweaks
in the offseason. I also am going to put up
their better better finals right now? Pacers Thunder or Oilers Panthers?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Ooh m?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Which are you most looking forward to? Well, I'm obviously
a basketball fan.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I want to see what Indiana's offense can do against
Okay sees defense. Now granted that's not tune in factor,
just letting you know in my world that's what I
want to see because there's you know, we always talk
about sex appeal or kind of the drive by with
the remote. Are you going to stop if you're watching
you know that game is on and maybe you don't,
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but if you're asking me, okay sees defense against Indiana Pacers,
I want to see Connor McDavid be great. You know,
you got the stage, you had the stage last year,
and Florida with what Florida has done and Tampa Bay
prior to that, I mean, it's pretty amazing. But watching
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a team not panic the way Florida does is pretty
remarkable and Edmonton might have the two best players in
the finals with you know, Connor McDavid and dry Sitle.
Of course, who never gets mentioned until the postseason on
this show, Leon dry Citle, Yes, Mark.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
We never hear about them until play the name.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's true, that is true. But that's on us, you know,
we we haven't been tuning into Edmonton games.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yes, Marvin next October, Leon dry Sitle Yeah, ay night,
hell yeah of the day.
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Speaker 2 (13:33):
Hall of Famer Charles Barkley back on the program. Are
you unemployed right now?
Speaker 7 (13:39):
No? I signed a deal last week.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Dan, Okay, When do you start working with ESPN.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
Next year when the season starts?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh? Okay, So there's nothing going on from now until
the start of next season.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
No, you know, I.
Speaker 13 (13:56):
Took my time trying to figure out. My big thing
was the work schedule, and I got together. I spent
working on it for like two months, and I got
together with T and T last week and I signed
the deal.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So how many days a week? Are you gonna work
at the mother Ship?
Speaker 13 (14:14):
Well, you know it's I don't even think they know
the exact schedule, to be honest with.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You, so you better know the exact schedule.
Speaker 13 (14:21):
Well, I'm gonna trust trust them, you know, cause that's
been my biggest concern.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (14:28):
So, like I said, I didn't officially assign it to
last week. I said I'd worked for two more years
and that's what I agreed to, and I'm gonna have
to trust them. But I listen, you know, if they
start trying to work me too much between ESPN TNT,
I'm just gonna walk on home, you know, because listen,
(14:49):
I actually have seven years left on my contract. I'm like, yeah,
there's no way I'm working seven years. I says, you know,
I'm gonna be a good soldier for Kenny, Ernie and
Shaq and the people I work with, because I love
the people I worked with, especially behind the scenes. I said,
but the best I can do is two years and
the mother five years. They got no chance to happen,
and so I said, you know what, I give y'all
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two years.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
They're like, can we get three? I said, I just
told you I won't.
Speaker 13 (15:12):
Get you you know, David, it was so fun. I said,
I get I'll give you two years that can we
get three? I said, I just told you I was.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Gonna get you two.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Welcome to the SPN way of life.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Though this is the.
Speaker 13 (15:26):
Tn T people, Uh because because my I think my
my contract technically is still with T and T.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Okay, okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Yeah, I'm gonna be a good soldier.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
What was that feeling like last show?
Speaker 13 (15:42):
Well, I was fine until Ernie started getting emotional and
then I started tearing up. And I'm glad that they
only had the camera on him, you know, because Kenny
and Shaq, you know, they were just talking. I was like, okay,
he did, but Ernie was emotional. Uh, the crowd was great.
Uh But like I said, man, you've been I've been
with these people for twenty five years.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
It's a great thing. You know.
Speaker 13 (16:04):
The NBA family has been tremendous to us. The fans
have been tremendous for us. But you know, I will admit,
you know, I'm looking forward. You know, ESPN is the
most famous sports brand ever and it's gonna be Uh,
it's gonna be awesome working for them, and uh, nobody
knows what's gonna happen. I mean, I think that's the
(16:26):
only thing that like, what are we actually gonna do?
So I think that's that's the only thing. But like
I say, I did not want to leave people out
in the cold, so I say, hey, you know what,
let me do it for a couple of years and
then y'all can have it.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Okay, But does the show look like the show? It's
just it's inside the NBA, but it's on ESPN. Is
that how you're like positioning this, dad, We.
Speaker 13 (16:53):
Don't even know you see that that That's one of
the reasons I was waiting, like, yeah, I don't know
what we're doing. And then TNT is trying to do
something stupid behind the scenes. We taped the pilot about
a month ago, and it was the stupidest shit I've
ever seen my life, you know, because because because we're
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not going to be on ESPN as much as people think.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Wait, wait, what do you mean you taped a pilot?
Speaker 13 (17:21):
Well, because ESPN, Because we're only probably going to be
working for ESPN like half the time to one third
at a time. So I think TNT wants to do something,
and we taped the pilot about a month ago and
it was the stupidest shit ever.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Okay, so you're still going to do a show, an
NBA show on TNT, and you're gonna do a show
on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yes, okay, good.
Speaker 13 (17:48):
But but like I say, if they're being honest, we're
gonna probably work on ESPN one third or half the time.
But they're trying to do something stupid at t N
T which which which is?
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Which is? Number one?
Speaker 13 (18:06):
Is the stupid idea for a couple of reasons. Number one,
we won't we won't. We won't have basketball highlights. But
also we're probably going to be going up against the
NBA game, And I don't anybody who likes basketball ain't
gonna say, hey, you know what, let me turn off
an NBA games on Amazon, ESPN or NBC to go
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watch these four dudes hit around and talk about nothing.
So it's complicated. And like I say, we taped the
pilot doing stupid stuff and it was just stupid stuff.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
And I wouldn't want to go out like that.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Okay, is this like a second screen or a manning can? Like,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 7 (18:51):
They don't know?
Speaker 13 (18:54):
They listen, Oh my god, I'm telling you Dan, it
was interesting we were sitting there taping it. Well, I
will admit one thing. I give tn T credit. They
did say it was awful pilot.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
They were honest with you.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
They were honest. They were honest.
Speaker 13 (19:10):
They were like, we just uh so they want to
do something. But like I say, the problem we got
we gotta be going up because they're gonna be probably much. Well, no,
that's gonna be an n big NBA game on every night,
so whenever we do it, it's gonna be up against
the NBA game. So that's the first problem. So, but
I guess they want to feel like they're doing something
(19:33):
to make us earn our money from tn T.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Charles Barkley joining us inside the NBA. Uh on t
n T, is it gonna be?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
What's the show called on t n T? And is
what's the show called on ESPN?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Man?
Speaker 13 (19:50):
Then then first of all, I guess inside the n
B A I think, and and I guess it's gonna
be just inside the NBA on ESPN, ABC.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
I think that's easy. But I think so I forget.
Speaker 13 (20:05):
I think the pilot is called inside the NBA.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
That's not confusing.
Speaker 13 (20:11):
Well, well, you know, you know the thing that was
hilarious about it. Then we didn't have any NBA.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
But you know, you have no rights to the NBA,
but you're outside of the NBA.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
That's right. We can't show highlights. We can't show highlights.
Speaker 13 (20:27):
So we were sitting there for like an hour and
a half taking this pilot and we were looking at
each other, what the hell are we doing? But like
I say, I give TNT credit the first thing they
said out of the pilot.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Yeah, that was really stupid. We got to figure something out.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
What role do you think Michael Jordan's going to play
with NBC's coverage.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Oh, that's a great question. I don't know.
Speaker 13 (20:53):
I don't see Michael ban on television a lot. I mean,
I don't see Michael Bean on television a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Be honest with you, why do you think he's doing this?
Speaker 13 (21:02):
I have a zero idea. I think it's great that
he's gonna be part of the NBA. I mean, he's
in my opinion, no disrespect to Kobe or Lebron, he's
the greatest player I've seen. I have no idea why
he's doing it, but it's a welcome addition. I mean, yo, man,
I you know, this is gonna be interesting going forward
(21:24):
because there's so much money out there right now. Dan, like,
they got to do everything in their power to engage fans.
I mean the money to the NBC, Amazon and ESPN
are paying, you know. You know, I tell people we
were paying about one point two billion dollars a year,
and it goes up to two point five billion. Those
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numbers don't compute, So you're gonna have to do everything
in your power to draw fans. I think it's gonna
be fascinating going forward how this thing is going to work.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
What do you think Jordan would get paid today if
he was playing, Well, he'd be.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
The first one hundred million dollar player.
Speaker 13 (22:04):
Well, well, first of all, we gonna have guys making
seventy eight and ninety million dollars in three to four years. Yeah,
you know, but you know, man, bless these guys as
long as they appreciate how lucky they are and don't
think they're making all that money because they're great players.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
They were just born at the right time. We got
a bunch of great players.
Speaker 13 (22:24):
But man, these guys, I just hope they appreciate how
lucky they are and stop this BS with low management.
You know, we can't keep crapping on the fans where
we're like, yeah, wait, ye know, you're making seventy million dollars.
You can't play basketball four days a week, you can't
work two days in a row. And you want doctors
(22:46):
and nurses, en firemen and comps and people in the
military and people who got like work in the cement factory. Like,
wait a minute, I make twenty dollars an hour. This
dude makes seventy million dollars and he can't play back
to back. Come on, man, I think that's an insult
to the fans, and it might be a problem. It
was already a problem, but when this money like double
(23:10):
and triple, the fans gonna are like, yeah, I'm not
watching this crap at them more up. These dudes can't
play two games in a row. Can you imagine you
a fan and you get like a great player who
comes west to east or east to west. He's on
the coming one time a year and the tickets are ridiculous,
and you're like, yeah, he played last night. Uh So
(23:31):
I think there's some things we got to answer a
basketball players going forward.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, but you're making whatever, twenty million dollars a year
and you only want to work two days a week.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
I show up every day, though, Hey, listen, I show up.
I show up every day.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Then, okay, back back to back, so.
Speaker 13 (23:54):
Back to back? Wait, like going the playoffs. You know,
we worked like six days a week, and I show
up every day those six Hey, then you know what
these guys you know.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I apologize, I apologize. I didn't realize the work schedule,
the workload.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
You have my bad.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Oh he's just wait just oh there you go? Are
you back? You you can hear me now?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
No, you froze up right after I said that with
the apology, and I thought you were you know, it
was a dramatic pausee there.
Speaker 13 (24:26):
So because it was a dramatic pause, you just changed me.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Dan, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I didn't show shank you change. I thought it was
shaw shanked. Oh yeah, I sure changed you, But I
didn't shaw shak you.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (24:41):
Okay, but but you know these guys out there, you know,
I'm so old. We flew commercial and played it back
to back, and these guys got the best private planes,
they got the best medical staff, they got these cold
water plunges.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
They got the hyperbaric change.
Speaker 13 (25:01):
I mean, they got the best shoes and they can't
play basketball two days in a row for fifty sixty
million dollars.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
That's the craziest stuff ever.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Man, Well, this will be crazy, I'm sure to you.
But I brought this up to Stephen Jackson last week.
I said, you know, can you see a time or
get ready for Larry Bird dropping out as one of
the top ten players of all time? Like, could you
see a scenario where Larry is not ranked in the
top ten all time?
Speaker 13 (25:29):
Well, let me say this. The three most important figures
in NBA history are Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan.
You know, there are a lot of great players, but
there's only a few guys who transcend the sport. I'll
throw Kobe in there, I'll throw Lebron in there, I'll
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strow Steph in there, and there are a lot of
really really good players, but nobody can take away the
historic significant Remember Day Carr was one of the greatest
ever against mad When I say this, before Magic Johnson,
Lara Berry, the league was too black, two thuggery, the
average salary was two hundred thousand dollars. Now the average
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salary is like twelve million dollars and magic and Bird
started the transformation. Michael Jordan took it to a whole
other level. He got guys making one hundred million dollars
from Nike now and other shoe brands. That's all Michael
Jordan's and you because you look at the same thing
in golf, Garrett, Player, Arnold and Jack. They are the
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three foundational pieces and tiger Woods that once in a
generation player who was Michael Jordan And golf. There are
a lot of great players. Phil Michs is probably the
only other person in that conversation in golf, but there's
very few after leats in every sport that people can say, oh,
you know, yeah, he's playing, I'm going to watch.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
That does not mean we don't have a lot.
Speaker 13 (26:55):
Of great players, like right now, we got Shade, we
got the Joeker, we got Jannis, we got Lebron Luke,
all these guys, but there are very few players that
transcend their sport. So no matter what happens with Bird,
as far as that him and Matty Johnson are the
two most important figures in NBA history in my opinion,
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then I say, then we all old Michael, because when
Michael's you know when he started doing commercials that changed
everything for everybody. Now because of Michael, I was making
millions of dollars from wearing Nike. Nobody was doing that.
Nobody had a signature shoe or they were making one
hundred million dollars a year. That's all because of Michael.
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That's why, regardless of all this other stuff, this Lebron stuff,
this Kobe stuff, people buy shoes because of Michael freaking Jordan.
That's it, I mean, And that's no disrespect to anybody. Yes,
some of these other guys out here selling shoes, miche't
you try to make people wearing shoes to wedding. Nobody
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ever thought about wearing shoes to weddings until I could
do it.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Think about that, Dan, did you ever wear Air Jordan's
when you played?
Speaker 7 (28:13):
I'll tell you what's interesting about that.
Speaker 13 (28:15):
When Michael had pulled me aside and told me we
went out smoking cigars the last time. He said, the
Marty that flew down, he said, I got something to
tell you, guys. He flew down to Houston and he
takes us out. We go out to dinner. We got
to smoke some cigars, he says, guys, I'm just giving
you all the heads up. I'm gonna retire to the
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end of the season. I'm like, what am And Amad
was like, I think he's serious. He said, I'm gonna
retire to the end of the season. So I called
him like a week later, and I said, oh, man,
that's a tribute. Because you know, remember when Mattie Johnson
announced he had AIDS. I wanted to pay homage to him.
I called Billy Cunningham and said, Hey, can I wear
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your jersey to celebrate Magic Johnson? He said sure, no problem,
I said, because, and I called Irvan. I say, hey, Man,
for everything you did for me and my family, I'm
gonna wear number thirty two all year. So I wore
thirty two one year. But I called Michael and I said, hey,
send me a pair of shoes. I just want to
tell you how much I appreciate everything you did for me.
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Give me that give me that advice on that Nike
stock that made me a thirty million dollars And.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Uh that was an insider trading, was it?
Speaker 7 (29:29):
No?
Speaker 13 (29:30):
Because you know, at the time I was making about
three million dollars a year and we were playing golf
and he said, Chuck I was talking to somebody, so
I want you to quit taking three million, take a million,
and take the other two million and stock options. So
I called my people and they say, hey, Michael told
me to do that, because Michael's always been a brilliant businessman.
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And they're like, this is risky. You think he gonna
be that great? I says, Man, I ain't ever seen
nobody like that, dude, because I had met him at
the Olympic trials. I said, he gonna be amazing, he says,
And we did it, and like I said, I ended
up probably making seriously another fifty million dollars to be
honest with you, but he made me trade that in.
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But the point I was making, man, I put his
shoes on one game I had. He definitely did the
greatest damn basketball player ever then.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
Those were the heaviest down there ever played in in
my life.
Speaker 13 (30:24):
I'm not even joking, because when I designed my shoes,
more of them really really like I played in those
heavy ass air Jordans. One game it was like I
had bricks on my damn feet then. And I've been
one hundred percent serious. I called him man. I actually
called him after the game. I said yo, Man, what
the hell you be putting in these damn shoes? I
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mean they were so damn heavy. Then I said, hey,
I played in them one game as attribute to him.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
How these shoes too damn heavy for me? Man, that's
a true story.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Then it makes it even more amazing what Mike did
in those air Jordan's.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
I think they're really out of damn bricks.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Do you think he could have had them design a
special pair for you that maybe were a little heavy,
you know, Mike's very competitive.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
No, because he got them to me like in two days.
Speaker 13 (31:17):
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, no, he had time to put
no bricks in them. But man, them suits were heavy
as hell.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Man, before I let you go, Uh, what kind of
chance do you give the Pacers against Okasee.
Speaker 13 (31:29):
I think they can make it competitive, but I've been
saying for months nobody can beat that team four times
in a week. The Pacers got a good team. But
the okay, see, they're one of the best teams I've
seen a long time. They're the deepest. They might be
the deepest NBA team I've ever seen. They be playing
guys who don't even play like the last series, and
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they put them in the game, they're like, damn, what
he been so And that's kind of the really negate
the Patriots, the pacersch which beat them to help them
beat the Knicks because the Thunder they're bringing better players
off the bench than the Pacer. The Pacers got a
terrific bench, but Oklahoma City got better bench players. So
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I hope it's a good series, but I don't think
anybody can beat Okay see four times in a week.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Great to talk to you. Perhaps I'll see you in Tahoe.
You a coward, Dan, No, I'm going to go out there.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Oh you're not gonna play.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Well, they didn't invite me. I might be working.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
You won't be working.
Speaker 13 (32:37):
We play on a Friday afternoon, on Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I'm bringing I think I might bring the show out
to Tahoe.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
You bring it out, and I do. I should do
How long you how long you own?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Three hours?
Speaker 13 (32:51):
I'll give you an hour one day, me and you.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
But last time you came to Tahoe, you missed about
six little three inch give you.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I know, yeah, as we have to put out I know,
I know. I did pick up my ball one time.
Like that's good, right, And then I was like, oh no.
People looked at me like what are you doing? I
wasn't that good? Then like no, you got to play them,
got to play them.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
All the way to Dame.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
I know, yes you do? Brother all right?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Uh yeah, I'll see you maybe in July.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
All right, brother s.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
All right, be sure to catch the live edition of
The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six
am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Greg Zankee, SEC Commissioner kind enough to join us. It's
been kind of busy here in the off season. Never
stops for you. Recap what happened last week? Give me
the cliff notes version.
Speaker 10 (33:50):
Spent a lot of time in overly air conditioned meeting
rooms in in Florida, UH with athletics directors, head coaches, football, men's,
women's basket ball in our presence, and chancellors. Talked about
our football schedule, the college football playoff, potential settlement of
a set of lawsuits that would introduce a revenue sharing
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model to college sports, and we talked about any other
number of issues like our softball tournament location that are
probably more mundane than you want to jump into on
a Monday morning, but happy to talk about softball and
gymnastics championships locations for the conference if you'd like.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well, that's why I wanted to have you on. But
let's get some of these ancillary things out of the right.
That's fair, Okay, let me start with basketball and then
we'll get to football, the discussions of seventy two to
seventy six teams, any discussion from the SEC portion of this.
Speaker 10 (34:48):
I introduced the issue to our men's basketball coaches, which
I think we've talked about with that group before.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I would guess Dan, given.
Speaker 10 (34:56):
The other issues we have on our plate, that that
that conversation maybe lasted five minutes. My points to them were,
this is still a work in progress. I didn't know
that there was going to be kind of a press gathering.
This is not a criticism. Charlie Baker spoke about tournament expansion.
I think the day after our basketball coaches gathered. I
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mentioned it to our wins basketball coaches as well. Briefly,
didn't really go anywhere, and so my introduction was, I
just want you to be aware probably towards the end.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Of the month this will come up.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
I said.
Speaker 10 (35:33):
My view is, I think we should be exploring tournament expansion.
Whether or not it happens, it is actually another point
of evaluation. So have the conversation deep dive figure out
if it works practically competitively economically. I think the one
issue for us is if it is expanded. Let's pick
the number of seventy six and I'll do quick math
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for you. So fifty two of the seventy six teams
would be like in that traditional first round, the other
twenty four would play in twelve games. The twelve winners
meet up with the fifty two. There's your sixty fourteen bracket.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Right.
Speaker 10 (36:08):
That's like from my intermural director days at you to
the cop.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
That's so I know how brackets work.
Speaker 10 (36:14):
I'm really interested and we're interested as in a league
is who fills those twelve games those other twenty four teams?
Speaker 5 (36:22):
The kind of Dayton model, if you will, which is.
Speaker 10 (36:24):
A men's basketball side, is it's a combination of the
lowest aqs, the lowest rated aqs kind of by placement
of the committee, and then the last at large teams
in and I kind of pivot to look look to
North Carolina State last year eleven seed. They were an AQ,
but they went to the final four, and it's just
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kind of an indication that competitively, those top fifty or
so teams, you know, things fall right, injuries, heel can
make really good runs. So I'm not one who thinks
we should just follow the Dayton model automatically have expanded
engine takes place.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
So that was my reference to our.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Coaches when our decisions made or voted on for expansion
for the college football playoffs.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 10 (37:12):
By agreement that the outer boundary is November thirty December
one of this year for the twenty six playoff. Now
keep in mind, when we went to twelve teams, the
board said that'll be the format for twenty twenty six.
Let's start early if we can, which we obviously did
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I think did overall in a successful way.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
But what was.
Speaker 10 (37:37):
Introduced immediately is let's go through these two years and
conduct an evaluation. So we're in that evaluation standpoint. A
lot of talk about really fourteen or sixteen that I
think twelve is known as as kind of a foundation point,
But the conversation is about fourteen or sixteen, and then
how our team selected or placed into whatever size brat
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it exists is the more the headline question. Okay, but
what model do you like. Well, I've been one who
said over time, I'd give no allocation. So this whole
five to seven thing that exists now, I just make
it the twelve best teams.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
And I was clear on that.
Speaker 10 (38:17):
Now, when we get into rooms, we make political compromises,
if you will, small p not like Congress political compromises,
but to achieve an outcome.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
But he decides on the top twelve teams selection committee.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Yeah, but here's what I think. I think we've not.
Speaker 10 (38:35):
We spent so much time expanding and working through our
own little side arguments about teams and all we can't
do this, we need this. You got to protect this
bowl game or that bowl game. We never went back
to the essence of decision making, which is how our
team selected. As everyone relocated over the last four or
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five years. Do the analyses that existed in work for
the fourteen playoff in twenty fourteen still have the same
relevance And we're behind that curve in my opinion. That's
why other ideas are introduced and considered, and we've looked
at ideas. You know, this allocation of it's called automatic bids,
that's such a harsh term. I think allocations is one
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where I like that word because we've already we already
allocated And look at last year we had two teams
not in the top four. They get to move up
because of the political compromise. We have a team outside
the twelve that moves in, and then the teams that
are displaced look around and say, hey, wait a second,
that doesn't make any sense any longer. That introduces the
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questions around should that model continue or should that allocation
model expand where other teams are brought in.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Talking to Greg Sankie, SEC Commissioner, we've talked about this before.
You know, given the scheduling and hotel rooms and travel
of receding after the first round games, Kent, is that
on the table at all anymore?
Speaker 10 (40:05):
Well, not really receding, because almost what a week and
a half ago for the twenty five season, this college
Football Playoff Management Committee, which is the commissioners and the
Notre Dame Athletic Director, agreed to just go to straight
seating by ranking. So the movement of teams outside the
top four into the top four that won't happen in
twenty twenty five. You're gonna get what you earn, same
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for home games. We've not gone back into the receiving question.
And Dan, if you go back to June of twenty one,
which was like ancient history in college sports, when the
twelve team model was introduced, and we went back through
this about a month ago with everybody involved on that
management committee, one of the questions was should we be
in receding. We never really got back to that because
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you remember, the SEC had this little expansion to sixteen,
great disruption in the forest. Then we had twenty two
in expansion of the big ten. So he waited around
for a year and now we've been in hurry up
mode since. So we haven't talked so much about receding
as we did just about honoring the rankings in the bracket.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Help me understand, you know, the report on Cooper Flag
as he made close to thirty million dollars is one
year at Duke. That's that's nil. Help me understand as
the athlete moves forward of the salaries and nil and
any restrictions, any compromises that will be there for these
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that's marquee athletes, let's call him.
Speaker 10 (41:36):
Without commenting on the Cooper Flag story, I haven't seen that,
and you know, nobody's sending me financial documents to verify.
As you can imagine in this environment.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
A couple points.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
One is this settlement that's positioned in a set of
lawsuits has great impact on the answer to your question
if the settlement is approved for the first time at
the college level, and really quite innovative in the sports realm,
would be the process for overseeing third party name image
and likeness to establish there's an appropriate range of compensation
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and fair market excuse me, in real business purposes fulfilled
around name.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
Image and likeness deals.
Speaker 10 (42:21):
That's not like novel, It just hasn't existed as we've
gone on this state by state exploration of kind of
reducing any regulatory system for college sports.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Nil.
Speaker 10 (42:32):
So I think that's a first step, and that's one
component third party name image and likeness. The second is
what I think will be kind of a name image
and likeness activity within a revenue sharing model where athletic
programs are providing that payment directly to student athletes. That
can be a better system. There has to be a
commitment to make it work. And I still am one
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who thinks that notion of having fifty different state laws
governing is highly problematic. You're not going to have college
World Series. You can't run Final fours and national championships
that way. You run something more like high school championships,
where every state kind of walls off it's and establishes
its own rules. And I think that has to be
understood as a significant point of concern. That's why the
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return of national standards in the congressional conversation still has meaning.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
What would stop me as a businessman if I wanted
the top quarterback in college football to come to Alabama
and I want to give him twenty five million dollars
a year.
Speaker 10 (43:34):
Right now, there hasn't been a lot. This is the
states migrate away from any oversight of their own laws
or any regulation. If the settlement is approved, I go
back to that third party oversight, and it would depend
on your classification. Assuming you have some affiliation, you've provided
money donations to the university involved. You then kick into
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this third party in aisle oversight, and the ability for
somebody to be deemed at an appropriate real business purpose
and range of compensation level would be involved. And if
it doesn't, there'll be an opportunity to adjust your offer.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I would love for conferences or maybe there's somebody who
can be like the NFL has somebody who does this scheduling,
like I would love. You know, we might lose Notre
Dame in USC like I'm I don't know, maybe I'm
the get off my line, the old guy. But you know,
can you come up with scheduling that we don't lose
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Texas versus Oklahoma or whatever? Oklahoma State Oklahoma? I should say,
I don't want to lose these rights. We don't have
many left. And I don't know if college football could
ever have a schedule overseer. So we do have marquee matchups.
This is this is entertainment. It's TV non conference. You know,
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what do you think of that?
Speaker 10 (44:55):
I think a couple things. Let's go back to the
college football playoffs, so I've been there. Is it being
a plenty kind of side comments about good of the game,
whatever that means. And when programs like when wake Forest
notifies Old Miss the day before their first game of
a home and home series that we're not playing the
one back in Oxford.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
That's a problem. When when Nebraska.
Speaker 10 (45:19):
Cancels an agreement to play Tennessee home and home and sites,
and I'm not criticizing their athletic director.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
This is a reality.
Speaker 10 (45:26):
Cites the college football playoff selection process as a fundamental
reason why we have to understand the college football playoffs
selection process is threatening the regular season, not supporting it.
Remember all those conversations people had about, hey, if you
expand the playoff, you're going to diminish the regular season.
I think there is something to that. I just think
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everybody missed that the regular season was being changed by
the college football playoff. So point one is whether people
agree or not. I think the first issue that has
to be addressed is the selection criteria incentivizing playing these
highly competitive, highly desired games, whether that's non conference or conference.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
That's one. The second is I.
Speaker 10 (46:13):
Think conferences coming together to facilitate this scheduling is important,
and I'll just take ourselves. We facilitate four end of
year non conference games last week of the season. We've
had schools actually leave our league and come back, and
we facilitated those games when they've wanted to play. So
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I think from my perspective, I'm happy for a coordinated
conversation to try to get scheduling right. But I do
think you have to go back to at the forefront
of everyone's mind is how decisions about the postseason are
going to be made.
Speaker 7 (46:49):
And that's the.
Speaker 10 (46:50):
Point I've made more subtly than of late, and more
directly in the most recent comments, because I do think
that leads the agenda of what must be addressed in
college football scheduling is how this postseason selection guides people's thinking.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Give me the one thing that keeps you up at
night that has to do with where we are or
where we're headed.
Speaker 10 (47:15):
If I could, if I like, if I could have
one thing to keep me up at night, I'd sleep
like a baby again.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
So let's just stipulate that I would be out like
a light.
Speaker 10 (47:25):
I wake up every day on issues around the relationship
with our student athletes, and that's both the economic relationship.
I'm concerned about the lifelong impact, about the amount of
money that flows into somebody's life when the motion maturity.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
May not be there.
Speaker 10 (47:44):
You know, how do you go take a fifty thousand
dollars entry level job and we'd run these ads that
ninety eight percent of the people on the athletic fields
or courts or tracks are going pro and something else.
And you've had your own personal economics or value. How
do you learn those lifelong lessons. I think the transfer
environment is linked to that, perhaps the inability to walk
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through some of the difficult moments in life. Hey, it's
not every transfer is a problematic transfer. And I speak
as somebody who transferred a couple of times. You're trying
to figure it out, especially if you're a first generation
college student, Like you don't have somebody pulling you aside
and helping you understand. Hey, maybe if you stick it out,
build your legacy in one place, receive some economic benefit,
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have educational and relational continuity, You come out as a
more prepared adult for what's next in life.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
The combination of.
Speaker 10 (48:39):
Those factors, the economic relationship, the transfer decisions, and then
the lifelong impacts that come from that we're not going
to know for a while. Those are at the top
of what keeps me up at night.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I propose this well to myself, but on my show
probably ten years ago, that if you have players who
are coming to school because they think they're going to
be a professional athlete, can you have some kind of
curriculum that helps them with investing, balancing a checkbook, real estate,
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think taxes, things that have to do that. Are you
know the history of Mesopotamia. While I took the course
hasn't helped me today. But if you're taking something that
does prepare you, and college is supposed to prepare you.
If I go to college and we have, you know,
some kind of symbiotic relationship of I'm coming to use you,
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you're using me. I don't have any interesting staying in school,
But can you help them with things that will help
them in what they want to do?
Speaker 10 (49:41):
A few points like I studied the Mesopotamian thing and
had the same reaction. Then I went to the British
Museum and there's a section on Mesopotamia and I'm like, hey,
I read about this when I was fourteen or something
like that. That's one second. I think if it's if
it's only in life, do what you want and not
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challenge you to broaden your horizons, I think we lose
an opportunity to help young people grow. So I would
never suggest we just walk away from a broad educational experience. Third,
sure could we pivot and there are plenty of electives,
There are plenty of ways to learn. But our athletics
departments provide pretty deep financial literacy programs. In fact, I've
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debated with current student athletes, like should I not pay
taxes right now on my earnings and wait and paint
at the end of the year and then go into
quarterly tax payments for kind of ten ninety nine work
so that I can.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
Invest that money.
Speaker 10 (50:38):
I'm talking about nineteen and twenty year olds in business
classes and taking financial literacy classes through their athletics department.
It's not the lack of provision of education information and
contexts that people involved have to receive that whether it's Mesopotamia,
real estate deals, or how to balance your checkbook, It's
not just that the educational opportunity and the information is provided.
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They have a responsibility to understand. They have to consume
that information, internalize it, and muse it. And I would
say too for the people around the student athlete, for
the young person involved in college athletics.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
You know, the notion that.
Speaker 10 (51:16):
What's happening around nil payments just continues all the way
through life, I think can be kind of a perceived
pot of gold at the end of a rainbow that
it's just going to continue. And I think we all
know that hard work, dedication, perseverance, taking a risk here,
and they're betting on yourself. Those are the things through
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the next forty years of life that sets you up
for success, not that defined area between you know, eighteen
and twenty two. In fact, there's a John Grisham novel
called Bleachers about a high school football player. And I'll
paraphrase one of the lines in this novel and hey,
it's a novel, but it's pretty wise. Which is the
worst thing that can happen to somebody, is that become
the biggest deal ever when they're eighteen or nineteen years old,
(51:59):
because there's a whole lifetime ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Big twelve ACC commissioners on your Christmas card list, you guys.
Speaker 10 (52:06):
So yeah, Hey, disagreements. Finally, one of my great conversations
a oneth to go. Roy Kramer, who was SEC Commissioner
number six, was telling me stories about going to me
with Jim Delaney and Tom Hanson, who was the PAC
twelve commissioner, and like he said, we walk out of
that room and we hated each other, and then we
went home and we got to work and figured it out.
I think disagreement's absolutely fine. It makes us better. And
(52:29):
I think for the fact that we comment about each other.
We have a conversation as the four of us tomorrow
and yeah, we rub each other all from time or time,
but we do have a responsibility to work together and
I think each each of us understands that responsibility.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Play nice, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (52:45):
Okay, we'll go to the sandbox and see what we
can do.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
And it's Greg Sanki, SEC Commissioner,
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