June 3, 2025 • 34 mins
NY Post Knicks beat writer Stefan Bondy breaks down the Knicks' playoff exit and shares why he was not surprised about KAT's defense during the season. NBC Sports Boston reporter Phil Perry dives into the Stefon Diggs situation and explains why Bill Belichick remained the biggest story in New England even during a Celtics playoff run. All-Pro Ravens RB Derrick Henry reflects on going from high school phenom to 4th string at Alabama and shares how his game has evolved over the years.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Stephen Bondi, the Knicks be reported for the New York
Post back on the program.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Great to see you again.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Give me the one word you would use to describe
the next season.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Uh, success. I mean, listen. I know that there are
some fans who were very upset with how they had
ended in the conference finals, but this was the first
conference finals for this franchise in twenty five years. It
was a new core. They won fifty one games, which
was the most that they've ever done since two twenty thirteen.
They beat the defending champs in the second round. Nobody
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gave them a shot against the Celtics. They beat them
in six games, and they ran up against a Pacers
team that I thought a lot of people underestimated, including myself.
This was one of the best teams in the NBA
after January first, and they were hot and they took
it to them.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
So listen.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Overall, you know, you like what you saw from Jalen Brunson.
Certainly there were some chemistry issues that need to get
ironed out. I thought mckel bridges struggled throughout the season.
But overall, I mean listen. Given the history of this franchise,
I think it was a success.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Okay, but you're being very rational here.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Fair Nick fans aren't rational here, and they want changes made.
And if it's Tom Thibodeau or it's Karl Anthony Towns,
give us a crystal ball what you think will.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Happen and should happen this offseason.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
So I think they are going to try to be
aggressive and trying to upgrade this roster. I don't see
the player out there that's gonna make a lot of sense.
I don't think they have the assets to go get
Gianni Santa Tokumpo. I don't think Kevin Durant when you
look at the salary that he's making and what you
have to do to match those salaries makes a lot
of sense when you're trading for a thirty six year old,
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injury prone guy. I get it. He's great in though,
he's a great offensive player. He'd be great in the playoffs,
But first you need to get to the playoffs, and
in order to do that, you're gonna have to trade
two players who eat up a lot of minutes for
the Knicks for the Knicks, and I just don't see
how you can do that in a tip system when
you don't have much depth, And now, all of a sudden,
you've traded two players on your roster for an injury
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prone guy that's not, you know, not gonna make it
through eighty two games. That trade doesn't make a lot
of sense to me right now. Listen, things develop in
the NBA landscape that shock you. I don't know who's
gonna become available. I don't know who's gonna shake loose.
But the way I see it right now, I think
the best move for the Knicks is to just add depth.
I think that was a big issue in this series,
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especially in the Pacers series. They just were overwhelmed by
the amount of Pacers depth and players on the bench.
They couldn't match that. And I think they have enough
assets right now to go out and free agency, look
at the trade market, and find people to boost up
that bench. I think that would be the move right now.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
How surprised were you that people were surprised that Karl
Anthony Towns can't play defense.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
It's shocking to me. I don't understand why the fans
were so shocked by this, because this is who he is.
He's ten years now in the league. He was drafted
in twenty fifteen. This is who they They got mckel Bridges,
they got oj Nanoviy, the massive defensive deficiencies of Jalen
Brunson and Karl Anthony Towns, and we saw it play
out exactly how I predicted it would unfold. He's a
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great offensive player. He does things that seven footers shouldn't
be able to do to put the ball in the basket.
But he's slow, he struggles with pick and roll coverage,
and he's not a good defender. He fouls too much,
and he probably complains too much about about fouls. So
that's Karl Anthony Towns in a nutshell. That's who he's been.
I don't understand why Knicks fans expected it to be
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something else, but it seemed like after that Pacers series
and after the playoff run, everybody was taken aback by
how poorly he played defensively. That's who he is. The
Minnesota Timberwolves, to will compensate for Karl Anthony Town's defensive deficiencies,
went out and got Rudy Gobert. You know, that's something
that the Knicks might need to explore, is moving cat
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to the four. You saw it in the playoffs. Mitchell
Robinson started at center. That's something that I think the
Knicks have to decide whether they view Kat as a
four or a.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Five handicapped the East moving forward, you know, we don't
know Tatum's timeframe of coming back. Do the Cavaliers keep
their core foward together? Philadelphia's a mess, Atlanta. I mean,
if you're gonna Milwaukee, I mean, they're not that many
teams that are really good in the East. But if
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you're going to handicap that, what do you think happens
in the offseason with any Do you think Giannish has
moved Let's start there.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I do think Giannis ends up being moved. But you know,
I think it's like a sixty Ford proposition, because if
the Milwaukee Bucks don't see a deal that makes a
lot of sense for them, I would not pull the
trigger on them. You know, we saw the backlash that
that Nico Harrison got by trading Luka Dancis, the player
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that the fan base absolutely adored. To me, Jani sent
to Coupo is the greatest player of Milwaukee Bucks history.
He's their number one asset, really their only asset. If
you look down their roster. If you give him up
for something for pennies on the dollar, that that franchise
is going to be in a really rough spot. So
I get it. You feel like you O Janni sent
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to Coupo something because he dragged your franchise to the championship.
I get it. But listen if he if he comes
out with a list and says I want to go here, here,
and here, but the Bucks say, well, those teams aren't
going to give us what we want, then I'm if
I'm Milwaukee, I wait until the trade deadline at least.
So maybe that doesn't happen in the summer, but I
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do think that it happens at some point because you
have a team in Milwaukee. They're not gonna have Dame Lillard.
They're gonna struggle next season. So let's assume uh Jannis.
Let's say he goes out west. Let's say he goes
to Houston. Now you're looking at an Eastern Conferences. I
mean it would be anyway, but you look at the
Eastern Conferences wide open. You mentioned Jason Tatum. He's probably
not going to be available for most, if not all,
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of next season. The Pacers are probably the cream of
the crop still, and I think I would put the
Knicks at number two. I mean, the Sixers you mentioned
they could have to make a big leap, but you
never know with Joel Embiid, So yeah, I go one
Indiana to the Knicks and then it's really just wide open.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
The Thunder are the biggest favorite I think we've seen
in the NBA Finals aside from Golden State maybe in
twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen. But it doesn't it feels
like nobody knows who they are. That this will be
almost a hey, let's introduce you to the OKC Thunder
here coming up in the NBA Finals, and sort of
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that way with the Pacers as well. But I don't know,
is this the blueprint? Can you see other teams trying
to emulate what we've with the Pacers and UH or OKC.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, I mean I think it's a little bit. Both
teams are different. I mean what Okay sid C did
was they just completely you know, gutted the roster and
rebuilt and did it through draft picks. You know, I
don't you know it is a blueprint. I think though
that you can look at the other side but remember
the seventy six ers did the same exact thing when
they went through the process and it did not work out.
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So listen, it's a treacherous path. Obviously, Oka See has
the number one guy in the business at GM in
Sam Presty. I mean, the guy's a genius, so uh,
it really worked out for him and getting the right
pieces Sga is obviously a very phenomenal player. As far
as as far as the Pacers, I think that Tyre's
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Halliburton and it's become I think New York made him
almost I mean, what he did with it at the Garden,
I think, you know, put him on the national landscape
in a lot of ways. He obviously was there before
he played in the Olympic team. But listen, this guy
has become something something different because of what he did
at Madison Square Garden. And I think that fans, you know,
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got to got to know him a little bit better
and got to know his game a little bit better.
So even though people are looking at this series saying,
you know, it's two small market teams, not a lot
of interest, I'm sure the ratings aren't going to be
as good it is going to be an exciting, thrilling series.
I think the playing styles are fantastic. I do think. Okay,
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see though as the better team.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Great to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I know, covering the Knicks, there's always a pulse there.
It was kind of a scary pulse.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Though.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
What was it like leaving after that lost, well, they
launched in Indiana, Yeah, what was it like in New York?
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Though?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
It was? It was insanity. They lived and died with
every win, with every loss, they rioted either I mean
rioted is a strong word. They partied outside and no
matter what, no matter the result. But I did talk
to Clive Frasier during the during the Pacer series. This
is a guy who's seen it all, and he said,
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this is the wildest I've ever seen New York for
this team. So that's saying something, right. I mean, they've
been starving in New York for a successful next team.
Because if you look at the landscape you got in
New York, you got people who are Yankees fans, you
got people who are Mets fans. They're divided. You got
Jets and Giants fans. But in New York it's the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I know.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
You don't tell me about the Nets it's the Knicks,
so they unite in that way. And we saw that
throughout this playoff run.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
If the Nets would win a championship, would there be
a victory parade in New York?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
You know, that's funny you mentioned that. I believe I
covered the Nets for a little while and this had
this idea was brought up whether they do it at
the Canyon and the Heroes or whether they do it
in Brooklyn. And I believe the mayor, Mayor Adams was
campaigning on the idea that he would have the parade
in Brooklyn.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
So they wouldn't even do it.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Man, we don't have to worry about them winning a title.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
No, no, we don't. There there are long ways away
from that. They blew their shot with k D and Kyrie.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Stefan, thank you, We appreciate your time.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
All right, thanks all right?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Stefan Bondi. He covers the Knicks for the New York Post.
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Speaker 2 (11:26):
Phil Perry covers the Patriots The Patriots Insider for NBC
Sports Boston kindly enough to join us so Digs at practice.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
But didn't talk.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
What kind of update has the media been given on
his availability to address what happened recently.
Speaker 9 (11:45):
Yeah, we haven't been given any update, Dan, and thanks
for having me first of all. But I think what's
probably going to happen is during the mandatory mini camp
portion of the offseason calendar here, so that'll be June
ninth through eleventh for the Patriots.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
That we would point have some availability to him.
Speaker 9 (12:03):
So we're gonna apply as much pressure as humanly possible, Dan,
and we're gonna we're gonna make sure we get him
in front of a microphone.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
I think he's.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Probably not all that scared of speaking to us.
Speaker 9 (12:14):
On his way out to the field yesterday, he made
sure to basically stop and wave at the cameras and say,
you know, nice to see you. Also, I think he'll
be ready to talk to us whenever the team will
allow it.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
If I gave you the first question, what are you asking,
Stefan Diggs?
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Can he tell us what was in the bag? You know?
Speaker 9 (12:34):
I think that is that to me is kind of
at the crux of it, and I think his answer Dan.
While I wouldn't expect him to be all that forthcoming
with us, we'll see. I think how he answers that
question to Mike Vrabel could make a serious impact on
their relationship moving forward. Mike is obviously a former player.
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He is not naive to what players might be doing
a moral day weekend when they're away from the team
during the voluntary portion of the NFL calendar. But I
think if you're going to start off on that kind
of foot where he can tell if you are being
dishonest with him that you've been dishonest with him, that
to me doesn't bode well for that relationship moving forward.
As desperately as the Patriots need him, they need this guy,
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they need him to be on the field, They need
him to be their best receiver, which to me is
asking a lot for somebody's coming off of his injury
and is on the other side of thirty. But that's
sort of where they're at in terms of that receiver
room and the talent offensively on the team overall. But
I think the answer to that question for Diggs too
Vrabel and what was he doing on the boat and
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what kind of decisions were being made will be really
critical for them.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Is this a Patriots situation or does this escalate that
this is an NFL situation.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
I think the difficult part of this, if the NFL
was ever going to try to get involved, is how
would you prove anything?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Right?
Speaker 9 (13:59):
The video we have is what it is. You can't
really tell what's in the bag. He's not actually consuming
anything that was in the bag.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
He's giving it away. He is saying.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
It sounds like, don't do it all, go have a
good time and then come back and see me. So
you know, that doesn't sound great if you're the Patriots
or the NFL. But I don't know how you would
enforce anything other than maybe to use the league's broad
powers of being able to punish these guys the way
they used to without much in the way of evidence.
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But I think they've kind of gotten away from that
and they've wanted to rely more on Okay, if something happens,
you know, if law enforcement gets involved and they have
been convicted of something, then we'll step in and we'll
punish from there.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
I think they want to get out of.
Speaker 9 (14:43):
The the legal business, the law enforcement business, quite frankly,
so I think this would if anything damn. My guess is,
because if you're brably have to do something, I think
you have to do something. You're trying to establish a
culture here. You're trying to show that, you know, we're
not only going to make sure we hold the guys
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that are on the lower end of the totem poll
to a certain standard, but this guy's gonna be one
of our best players. We think we have to make
sure we hold him to that very same standard. So
my guess is there might be some kind of fine
or something else behind closed doors that the rest of
the team knows about to make sure that they have
made a statement in the aftermath of all this.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
How's the building different since Belichick left?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Well, it was very different last year under Girod Mayo,
that's for sure.
Speaker 9 (15:33):
I think Mayo wanted to make sure, even though he
spent his entire pro career under Belichick, that he was
going to make it very clear to everybody that business
was going to be done differently. What's interesting with Rabel
is that he wants to separate himself from Bill too.
But we're hearing some of the same messages. Maybe it's
a slightly different wording involved, but like you know, we're
still hearing I think he even said it, maybe even
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in this order Dan during his introductory press conference, that
he wants smart, tough, and dependable players. We've been hearing smart, tough,
dependable from Bill and I'm sure other coaches as well.
But that was one of Bill's relied upon cliches in
that building for years and years and years, and we're
still hearing it from Mike. Mike is a big fan
of saying things like he wants players who are going
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to treat the team appropriately and if they don't, then
he has to protect the team. And Bill had it
right on the door as you were leaving the building,
put the team first. Speak for yourself, put the team first.
And so there are going to be some bellichickiing kinds
of vibes with Vrabel, whether he wants to acknowledge it
or not, and he I think would bristle at the
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notion that there would be any similarities between the two
of them, but there are. They're old school football guys.
They want their team to be run a certain way.
Mike I think would be much more of a player's coach,
and you're already hearing that from some of the players.
But just in terms of their overall philosophies, they're pretty similar.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
As far as reporters, how many are still covering? How
important is that story in New England now that he's
in North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Oh, it's huge.
Speaker 9 (17:07):
We talk about it almost every day, the Jordan Hudson stuff.
I mean, we can't get enough up here.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Dan.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
It's it is the story I would say in the Redon.
Speaker 9 (17:16):
Even if the Celtics are making a run in the postseason,
the thing that people will stop you on the street
and ask you about is Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson
and what's going on there? And how is he allowing
this to happen? And how long is he gonna last
at North Carolina. We talk about it almost every night,
because there's almost every day there's something new. Thank God
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for our buddy Pablo Torre. I mean, unbelievable the work
that he's been doing. And I know there are others
who you know, who may look at that and say,
is is that how we should be spending our time?
I heard Bill Simmons say something to that effect recently
on a podcast. But people are interested, and so you know,
I get it, and we certainly are interested. Still up
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here as well, and I think people are just fascinating
to see what the football looks like.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Of course, they're interested in all the Jordan Hudson stuff.
Speaker 9 (18:04):
I mean, we had people that were interested in the
the Miss main pageant results a couple of weeks ago, Dan,
So people are one hundred percent on that end of
the storyline. But I think people really want to see
how is Bill going to be able to handle college kids?
How is he going to adapt to the college game.
Is he going to actually be able to win if
he doesn't? What do those press conferences look like? Because
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for those of us that have sat in those rooms,
you know, I covered Bill for almost fifteen years and
sat in the front row for a lot of those
press conferences and got a lot of very awkward staredowns
and very awkward pauses and sometimes worse than that, which
I'm sure everybody that's listening is familiar with as well.
So if you're writing for the Daily Bugle, you know
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on North Carolina's campus there whatever that is the Daily
tar Heel, you know, how do those interactions go with
with coach Belichick? You know, that to me is a
fascinating part of this too. If it doesn't go all
that great the football field.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I'll give you five minutes with Belichick or five minutes
with Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
I'm taking digs in that scenario, Dan, because i think
even after covering Bill as long as I've covered, as
long as I've covered him, I'm not sure five minutes
with Bill is going to yield all that much. What
about me hurt? What about his girlfriend? Five minutes with
Jordan Hudson or Stephan Diggs.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I'm taking digs, okay, but I'm curious. I would I
would like to.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
Hear your reporter's instincts on that, Dal, Like if you
got if you had digs, what would be the first
thing you would ask him?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
The same thing I would say, what was in the back?
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I think you have to right.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Well, yeah, it's because it's it's videoed. I mean he
saw it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
He was being videotaped, and it's not like he was
done in a clandestine, surreptitiously way. He was there presenting
this and then there's Cardi B and two other women there. Uh,
they're not crushed up sweet tarts. I mean there's something there.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
So you got fundip you didn't think it was funding.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Well, it was for him and them. I'm guessing it
was fund dip in a different way. But yeah, I
think you got to ask that. And I don't know
how he's going to answer this, because at some point
he has to answer it. But you know, does it
go away soon after that? And certainly if you play well,
nobody cares. I wouldn't have signed him to begin with
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at that age, coming off an injury. I don't want
him to do to Drake May what maybe he was
doing to Josh Allen, even though he was really good
with Josh Allen. There's a reason why he's bounced around
to a couple of teams here. I want Drake May
to establish his own receivers. And I brought up when
Baker Mayfield was in Cleveland and they brought in OBJ
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and he deferred to OBJ to the detriment of Baker
Mayfield and the team.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
It's so interesting.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Because this is why they made such a hard push
for Chris Godwin. They tried to blow him out of
the water, and they did financially. He just didn't accept it.
But they went above and beyond time and again in
their pursuit of Godwin, in part because not only is
he a good player, although he's coming off an injury
as well, but he's considered an unbelievable teammate and a
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great locker room guy and the kind of positive force
that you would want to impact on your young quarterback.
They went after DK Metcalf. They let him know, Hey,
would you sign with us long term if we trade
it for you. He told them no, which I think
is surprised, and I think that has been maybe one
of the biggest surprises to Vrabel since he's taken the
new job, is their inability to convince guys to join
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them in New England. The DK Metcalf one specifically, somebody
within the organization told me after he ended up signing
with Pittsburgh, man must be a huge Mason Rudolph fan.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I guess, well, because it.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Comes down to this.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
The reason why players wanted to go there was because
because Tom Brady could help you win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, I got to play with Bill Belichick coach.
You know it's about I'm going to go there, all
put up with this the Patriot way, but I get
to play with Tom Brady and I might win a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (22:18):
I mean, that's power, and they're convinced, yeah, they don't,
and they're convinced that, you know, if they don't get
to that level, which you know, whoever gets to that level,
but they're convinced. This regime is convinced that they will
win eventually and they'll be able to convince more players
than they have, maybe not to the same degree they
would have been able to with Belichick and Brady, but
that that will change eventually. It's just I think really
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hard for them. It might be really hard for them
to just get out of the blocks. Because as good
as a coach as Mike vrabel is and I think
he's a good coach, and I think Josh McDaniel is
a great offensive coordinator, if you don't have the talent,
it's really really hard to win in this league. And
they might have a great quarterback Drake May I think
is uber talented and mostly what he develops into, but
they need those pieces around him, that receiver room. If
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Digs is going to be their best player, I think
that's that is testament to what they have in that
receiver room, which is probably not enough right now.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Great to talk to you, Phil, Thanks for joining us
and good luck with that first question to Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
I'll let you know how it goes. Dan, appreciate you
having me.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
He'll be listening. We'll be listening. That's a Phil Perry,
the Patriots Insider, NBC Sports Boston.
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a sudden, the running backs are valued again. Derrick Henry
joining us on the program. Good to talk to you again.
You know, let me start when you went to Alabama,
you had one of the more decorated high school resumes
in history of any running back, maybe the greatest of
any running back. Then you go to Alabama and you're
like third or fourth on the depth chart. How do
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you how do you process that from going from what
you were in high school to a backups back up
at Alabama.
Speaker 10 (24:26):
Yeah, I think that was one of my first times
that I actually like experienced adversity, which was really good
for me coming into to that program being highly recruited
and having a stellar high school career and then coming
to Alabama getting humbled.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Really really quick. It was.
Speaker 10 (24:49):
It was really good for me and a great learning
experience for me as well, being so young because I
graduated high school early in the road that spring and
got to got to participate in spring football and uh
get a jump on that early and then up then
end up getting hurt the last scrimmage practice right before
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the spring game. Uh, fractured my fibula and tore all
the ligaments in my ankle.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
So that year was a big adversity learned a year
from me.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
What was your welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 10 (25:30):
I'll say probably my rookie year And in camp I
think we were might have been a run to play.
Kind of got lit up a little bit by Sean Spence.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Uh what do you mean you kind of got lit
up like.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Like like he hit me.
Speaker 10 (25:50):
I didn't fall, but like kind of got knocked back
a little bit, and then uh, I ended up finishing
uh the play, but I gotta got a good.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Pop out of it.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
This is in practice.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
This in practice.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, yeah, they're allowed to hit you that hard.
Speaker 10 (26:05):
I mean it's a thud, but like we mean, we're
going for Yes, it's gonna be it's gonna be loud.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
The stout dude, you ever knocked anybody out in practice?
Speaker 5 (26:18):
No, I don't try to do anything like that.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Well, they might run into you and knock themselves out.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
Yeah, I mean if if the collision is that big,
But try I try to be nice to my teammates.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
What do you do better now at thirty one than
you did it twenty one?
Speaker 10 (26:34):
I think the game is just come with more experience,
you know what to expect. Uh, look at tendensees. I mean,
as long as you study film, that'll make it a
lot easier to tiss to the little things.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
But what are you looking for when you know you're
getting the ball?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Okay, So Lamar is calling the play and then all
of a sud sudden and then that two seconds, three seconds,
whatever it is, what are you looking at?
Speaker 10 (27:06):
Well, ma'am, just looking at the defense, seeing how they
are aligned, trying to see what I can make happen.
I mean, because they give you a picture and then
a snap of finger that could change as soon as
the ball is snap. So I just try to try
to see what the defense has given us and not
try to anticipate too much because you don't want to
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make a pre snap the decision, but just let it
come naturally. But just really try to get a picture
from the defense. Really didn't be out there running.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
When did the shift go back to?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Now?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Running backs are valued?
Speaker 11 (27:41):
With you and Saquan, Yeah, Like we had that big
commotion about it like a year and a half ago
when the market was it was really sad, you know,
we you know, wanted to do something about it, and
I think the biggest solution was play better, show I value.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
But you had to get the opportunities to carry the ball,
to run for nineteen hundred yards and in Saquon for
two thousand.
Speaker 10 (28:11):
Yeah, I mean, I think you know, at the time,
I was still intendesseee what that big commotion came about.
And he was in New York and a lot of
guys were still on different teams and the next year,
some of us are free agents. We all got a
little different franchises and you know, new opportunities, new beginnings,
and it all worked out well for us. And the
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market is, you know, where we wanted to get it
to for the future of guys that's coming out to us.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
We're talking to Derrick Henry. He signed a two year,
thirty million dollar extension, twenty five million guaranteed signing. But
when's the last time you spent a lot of money
on something like you splurged and he went, oh boy, yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
I mean I don't try to spurge too much.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
Something crazy that I know.
Speaker 10 (28:59):
I know everything. Everybody has something that they what they
really like. I mean, you like what you like. And
I think my biggest thing right now is I'm into
like watches.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I love I love watches.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
All right, what what did you buy.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Recently? Purchased?
Speaker 10 (29:17):
Was like, I think I got a a platinum Daytona Rolex.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Okay, that was a nice one. But yeah, yeah, you
gotta gotta treat yourself.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
But but if you're in New York City, you can
buy those watches that look like real role axes and
then you don't have to spend you know, fifty sixty million,
you know, one thousand dollars on it, saying.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You can you can't. You can buy them, though, you
should wear it in the game one time, you know,
just oh no, no, no, it'd be great advertising there.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Definitely would I just do it, though, heck no.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
The bench press game. Let's go around the room, one rep.
Derek's best, all right, Todd four forty or forty, Seaton
four fifty five, Marvin for twenty five, PAULI for twenty five.
I'm gonna go four thirty five, one rep.
Speaker 10 (30:21):
I think you might be right, man, I think that's
the last last time I've been like heavy max, probably
for thirty five.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Okay, but that would probably be up there among the
top running backs. I'm guessing.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
I mean, it's some strong guys in the league, and
it's been a while since I've did a max bench
But the last time I did it, it was probably probably
for thirty five.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
All right, blacky, dumb bell, dumb bill, bitch.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
What about forty yard dash? What would you run it?
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Now? Probably the same when I h I ran it
during the combine? What was that? It was like four
four five four four five two?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But you seem to be faster when you're carrying the football.
There's certain guys who run faster when people are chasing them.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I feel that way. I don't know, you know it.
Speaker 10 (31:14):
You know some people say you have like testing speed,
and then some people have football speed. And I definitely
feel like that's the case for me. I feel like
I'm more faster on the field if I had you
and Lamar race, Oh, I like me. I'm gonna guess
he likes him.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Who did you have?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Did you have a poster on your wall?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Growing up?
Speaker 10 (31:42):
I was a big Ladadian Thompson fan, but I like
all running backs though, but I was a big LT fan.
I said, I had his Bible head jersey.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
I love LT.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
What what have you talked to him?
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Yeah? I LT plenty of times.
Speaker 10 (31:56):
Hey, you did get some time with him as a
Nike event a Nike you hill.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Well, he runs differently than you.
Speaker 10 (32:03):
Do, way differently, And I thought I can run like
him until I got older and the bigger our guy,
I was like, maybe, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Like, do you wish you were built like Ladanian more
than you're built like you?
Speaker 6 (32:15):
No?
Speaker 10 (32:16):
I mean the danis Ladanian and I'm me, so God
make me the way I need to be made.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
So I'm sure there are defenders that wish you were
built like Ladanian.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
There was running now.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I mean you know that size ain't matter and it
was he was the truth.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Great to talk to you. Congrats on the contract extension there.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Appreciate it, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Can we get to two thousand yards this year? I
mean why stop at nineteen hundred?
Speaker 5 (32:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I know how important was two thousand for you?
Speaker 10 (32:50):
It wasn't really, it wasn't. It wasn't important at all.
But you know, when you get that close, everybody's like, hey,
you couldn't get two thousands thineteen hundred, you couldn't get
two thousand.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
I'm like, Noah, what in my cards? That's you?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well, uh, nice to talk to you. We'll talk to
you again. Thank you again, and congratu on the contract.
Speaker 10 (33:08):
Appreciate it, Dan. Thank you for wearing that hoodie. Man,
I'm green, brighten up my day, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Well, this is happy Gilmore too. This is with Adam.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Okay, that's one of my you know, I was my
favorite actors. So that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So that that's the happy Gilmore golf swing right there,
that patch right there?
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Hey, if you can you do my favorite?
Speaker 10 (33:30):
Yeah, if you ever see him again, tell him I'm
a really big fan.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
I would really love to meet him one day.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
You know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I'm going to text him today and ask if he'll
send a video please, and then I'm going to send.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
It to the Ravens. Okay. Cool, I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And if you get to two thousand yards, I'll get
you in a Sandler movie.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
All right, Cool? Say up?
Speaker 6 (33:56):
More is all right?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Remember that?
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Now you remember this.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Remember take care of my end of it, Okay. I
mean mine's easy, Yeah, yours is hard. You got to
get two thousand yards.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
No pressure, that is all, No pressure at all. All right,
thank you, alright, see y'all.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Stephen Bondi, the Knicks be reported for the New York
Post back on the program.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Great to see you again.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Give me the one word you would use to describe
the next season.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Uh, success. I mean, listen. I know that there are
some fans who were very upset with how they had
ended in the conference finals, but this was the first
conference finals for this franchise in twenty five years. It
was a new core. They won fifty one games, which
was the most that they've ever done since two twenty thirteen.
They beat the defending champs in the second round. Nobody
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gave them a shot against the Celtics. They beat them
in six games, and they ran up against a Pacers
team that I thought a lot of people underestimated, including myself.
This was one of the best teams in the NBA
after January first, and they were hot and they took
it to them.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
So listen.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Overall, you know, you like what you saw from Jalen Brunson.
Certainly there were some chemistry issues that need to get
ironed out. I thought mckel bridges struggled throughout the season.
But overall, I mean listen. Given the history of this franchise,
I think it was a success.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Okay, but you're being very rational here.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Fair Nick fans aren't rational here, and they want changes made.
And if it's Tom Thibodeau or it's Karl Anthony Towns,
give us a crystal ball what you think will.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Happen and should happen this offseason.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
So I think they are going to try to be
aggressive and trying to upgrade this roster. I don't see
the player out there that's gonna make a lot of sense.
I don't think they have the assets to go get
Gianni Santa Tokumpo. I don't think Kevin Durant when you
look at the salary that he's making and what you
have to do to match those salaries makes a lot
of sense when you're trading for a thirty six year old,
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injury prone guy. I get it. He's great in though,
he's a great offensive player. He'd be great in the playoffs,
But first you need to get to the playoffs, and
in order to do that, you're gonna have to trade
two players who eat up a lot of minutes for
the Knicks for the Knicks, and I just don't see
how you can do that in a tip system when
you don't have much depth, And now, all of a sudden,
you've traded two players on your roster for an injury
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prone guy that's not, you know, not gonna make it
through eighty two games. That trade doesn't make a lot
of sense to me right now. Listen, things develop in
the NBA landscape that shock you. I don't know who's
gonna become available. I don't know who's gonna shake loose.
But the way I see it right now, I think
the best move for the Knicks is to just add depth.
I think that was a big issue in this series,
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especially in the Pacers series. They just were overwhelmed by
the amount of Pacers depth and players on the bench.
They couldn't match that. And I think they have enough
assets right now to go out and free agency, look
at the trade market, and find people to boost up
that bench. I think that would be the move right now.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
How surprised were you that people were surprised that Karl
Anthony Towns can't play defense.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
It's shocking to me. I don't understand why the fans
were so shocked by this, because this is who he is.
He's ten years now in the league. He was drafted
in twenty fifteen. This is who they They got mckel Bridges,
they got oj Nanoviy, the massive defensive deficiencies of Jalen
Brunson and Karl Anthony Towns, and we saw it play
out exactly how I predicted it would unfold. He's a
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great offensive player. He does things that seven footers shouldn't
be able to do to put the ball in the basket.
But he's slow, he struggles with pick and roll coverage,
and he's not a good defender. He fouls too much,
and he probably complains too much about about fouls. So
that's Karl Anthony Towns in a nutshell. That's who he's been.
I don't understand why Knicks fans expected it to be
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something else, but it seemed like after that Pacers series
and after the playoff run, everybody was taken aback by
how poorly he played defensively. That's who he is. The
Minnesota Timberwolves, to will compensate for Karl Anthony Town's defensive deficiencies,
went out and got Rudy Gobert. You know, that's something
that the Knicks might need to explore, is moving cat
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to the four. You saw it in the playoffs. Mitchell
Robinson started at center. That's something that I think the
Knicks have to decide whether they view Kat as a
four or a.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Five handicapped the East moving forward, you know, we don't
know Tatum's timeframe of coming back. Do the Cavaliers keep
their core foward together? Philadelphia's a mess, Atlanta. I mean,
if you're gonna Milwaukee, I mean, they're not that many
teams that are really good in the East. But if
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you're going to handicap that, what do you think happens
in the offseason with any Do you think Giannish has
moved Let's start there.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I do think Giannis ends up being moved. But you know,
I think it's like a sixty Ford proposition, because if
the Milwaukee Bucks don't see a deal that makes a
lot of sense for them, I would not pull the
trigger on them. You know, we saw the backlash that
that Nico Harrison got by trading Luka Dancis, the player
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that the fan base absolutely adored. To me, Jani sent
to Coupo is the greatest player of Milwaukee Bucks history.
He's their number one asset, really their only asset. If
you look down their roster. If you give him up
for something for pennies on the dollar, that that franchise
is going to be in a really rough spot. So
I get it. You feel like you O Janni sent
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to Coupo something because he dragged your franchise to the championship.
I get it. But listen if he if he comes
out with a list and says I want to go here, here,
and here, but the Bucks say, well, those teams aren't
going to give us what we want, then I'm if
I'm Milwaukee, I wait until the trade deadline at least.
So maybe that doesn't happen in the summer, but I
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do think that it happens at some point because you
have a team in Milwaukee. They're not gonna have Dame Lillard.
They're gonna struggle next season. So let's assume uh Jannis.
Let's say he goes out west. Let's say he goes
to Houston. Now you're looking at an Eastern Conferences. I
mean it would be anyway, but you look at the
Eastern Conferences wide open. You mentioned Jason Tatum. He's probably
not going to be available for most, if not all,
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of next season. The Pacers are probably the cream of
the crop still, and I think I would put the
Knicks at number two. I mean, the Sixers you mentioned
they could have to make a big leap, but you
never know with Joel Embiid, So yeah, I go one
Indiana to the Knicks and then it's really just wide open.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
The Thunder are the biggest favorite I think we've seen
in the NBA Finals aside from Golden State maybe in
twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen. But it doesn't it feels
like nobody knows who they are. That this will be
almost a hey, let's introduce you to the OKC Thunder
here coming up in the NBA Finals, and sort of
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that way with the Pacers as well. But I don't know,
is this the blueprint? Can you see other teams trying
to emulate what we've with the Pacers and UH or OKC.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, I mean I think it's a little bit. Both
teams are different. I mean what Okay sid C did
was they just completely you know, gutted the roster and
rebuilt and did it through draft picks. You know, I
don't you know it is a blueprint. I think though
that you can look at the other side but remember
the seventy six ers did the same exact thing when
they went through the process and it did not work out.
(07:25):
So listen, it's a treacherous path. Obviously, Oka See has
the number one guy in the business at GM in
Sam Presty. I mean, the guy's a genius, so uh,
it really worked out for him and getting the right
pieces Sga is obviously a very phenomenal player. As far
as as far as the Pacers, I think that Tyre's
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Halliburton and it's become I think New York made him
almost I mean, what he did with it at the Garden,
I think, you know, put him on the national landscape
in a lot of ways. He obviously was there before
he played in the Olympic team. But listen, this guy
has become something something different because of what he did
at Madison Square Garden. And I think that fans, you know,
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got to got to know him a little bit better
and got to know his game a little bit better.
So even though people are looking at this series saying,
you know, it's two small market teams, not a lot
of interest, I'm sure the ratings aren't going to be
as good it is going to be an exciting, thrilling series.
I think the playing styles are fantastic. I do think. Okay,
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see though as the better team.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Great to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I know, covering the Knicks, there's always a pulse there.
It was kind of a scary pulse.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Though.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
What was it like leaving after that lost, well, they
launched in Indiana, Yeah, what was it like in New York?
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Though?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
It was? It was insanity. They lived and died with
every win, with every loss, they rioted either I mean
rioted is a strong word. They partied outside and no
matter what, no matter the result. But I did talk
to Clive Frasier during the during the Pacer series. This
is a guy who's seen it all, and he said,
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this is the wildest I've ever seen New York for
this team. So that's saying something, right. I mean, they've
been starving in New York for a successful next team.
Because if you look at the landscape you got in
New York, you got people who are Yankees fans, you
got people who are Mets fans. They're divided. You got
Jets and Giants fans. But in New York it's the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I know.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
You don't tell me about the Nets it's the Knicks,
so they unite in that way. And we saw that
throughout this playoff run.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
If the Nets would win a championship, would there be
a victory parade in New York?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
You know, that's funny you mentioned that. I believe I
covered the Nets for a little while and this had
this idea was brought up whether they do it at
the Canyon and the Heroes or whether they do it
in Brooklyn. And I believe the mayor, Mayor Adams was
campaigning on the idea that he would have the parade
in Brooklyn.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
So they wouldn't even do it.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Man, we don't have to worry about them winning a title.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
No, no, we don't. There there are long ways away
from that. They blew their shot with k D and Kyrie.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Stefan, thank you, We appreciate your time.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
All right, thanks all right?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Stefan Bondi. He covers the Knicks for the New York Post.
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Speaker 2 (11:26):
Phil Perry covers the Patriots The Patriots Insider for NBC
Sports Boston kindly enough to join us so Digs at practice.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
But didn't talk.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
What kind of update has the media been given on
his availability to address what happened recently.
Speaker 9 (11:45):
Yeah, we haven't been given any update, Dan, and thanks
for having me first of all. But I think what's
probably going to happen is during the mandatory mini camp
portion of the offseason calendar here, so that'll be June
ninth through eleventh for the Patriots.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
That we would point have some availability to him.
Speaker 9 (12:03):
So we're gonna apply as much pressure as humanly possible, Dan,
and we're gonna we're gonna make sure we get him
in front of a microphone.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
I think he's.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
Probably not all that scared of speaking to us.
Speaker 9 (12:14):
On his way out to the field yesterday, he made
sure to basically stop and wave at the cameras and say,
you know, nice to see you. Also, I think he'll
be ready to talk to us whenever the team will
allow it.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
If I gave you the first question, what are you asking,
Stefan Diggs?
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Can he tell us what was in the bag? You know?
Speaker 9 (12:34):
I think that is that to me is kind of
at the crux of it, and I think his answer Dan.
While I wouldn't expect him to be all that forthcoming
with us, we'll see. I think how he answers that
question to Mike Vrabel could make a serious impact on
their relationship moving forward. Mike is obviously a former player.
(12:54):
He is not naive to what players might be doing
a moral day weekend when they're away from the team
during the voluntary portion of the NFL calendar. But I
think if you're going to start off on that kind
of foot where he can tell if you are being
dishonest with him that you've been dishonest with him, that
to me doesn't bode well for that relationship moving forward.
As desperately as the Patriots need him, they need this guy,
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they need him to be on the field, They need
him to be their best receiver, which to me is
asking a lot for somebody's coming off of his injury
and is on the other side of thirty. But that's
sort of where they're at in terms of that receiver
room and the talent offensively on the team overall. But
I think the answer to that question for Diggs too
Vrabel and what was he doing on the boat and
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what kind of decisions were being made will be really
critical for them.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Is this a Patriots situation or does this escalate that
this is an NFL situation.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
I think the difficult part of this, if the NFL
was ever going to try to get involved, is how
would you prove anything?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Right?
Speaker 9 (13:59):
The video we have is what it is. You can't
really tell what's in the bag. He's not actually consuming
anything that was in the bag.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
He's giving it away. He is saying.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
It sounds like, don't do it all, go have a
good time and then come back and see me. So
you know, that doesn't sound great if you're the Patriots
or the NFL. But I don't know how you would
enforce anything other than maybe to use the league's broad
powers of being able to punish these guys the way
they used to without much in the way of evidence.
(14:30):
But I think they've kind of gotten away from that
and they've wanted to rely more on Okay, if something happens,
you know, if law enforcement gets involved and they have
been convicted of something, then we'll step in and we'll
punish from there.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
I think they want to get out of.
Speaker 9 (14:43):
The the legal business, the law enforcement business, quite frankly,
so I think this would if anything damn. My guess is,
because if you're brably have to do something, I think
you have to do something. You're trying to establish a
culture here. You're trying to show that, you know, we're
not only going to make sure we hold the guys
(15:04):
that are on the lower end of the totem poll
to a certain standard, but this guy's gonna be one
of our best players. We think we have to make
sure we hold him to that very same standard. So
my guess is there might be some kind of fine
or something else behind closed doors that the rest of
the team knows about to make sure that they have
made a statement in the aftermath of all this.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
How's the building different since Belichick left?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Well, it was very different last year under Girod Mayo,
that's for sure.
Speaker 9 (15:33):
I think Mayo wanted to make sure, even though he
spent his entire pro career under Belichick, that he was
going to make it very clear to everybody that business
was going to be done differently. What's interesting with Rabel
is that he wants to separate himself from Bill too.
But we're hearing some of the same messages. Maybe it's
a slightly different wording involved, but like you know, we're
still hearing I think he even said it, maybe even
(15:55):
in this order Dan during his introductory press conference, that
he wants smart, tough, and dependable players. We've been hearing smart, tough,
dependable from Bill and I'm sure other coaches as well.
But that was one of Bill's relied upon cliches in
that building for years and years and years, and we're
still hearing it from Mike. Mike is a big fan
of saying things like he wants players who are going
(16:18):
to treat the team appropriately and if they don't, then
he has to protect the team. And Bill had it
right on the door as you were leaving the building,
put the team first. Speak for yourself, put the team first.
And so there are going to be some bellichickiing kinds
of vibes with Vrabel, whether he wants to acknowledge it
or not, and he I think would bristle at the
(16:38):
notion that there would be any similarities between the two
of them, but there are. They're old school football guys.
They want their team to be run a certain way.
Mike I think would be much more of a player's coach,
and you're already hearing that from some of the players.
But just in terms of their overall philosophies, they're pretty similar.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
As far as reporters, how many are still covering? How
important is that story in New England now that he's
in North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Oh, it's huge.
Speaker 9 (17:07):
We talk about it almost every day, the Jordan Hudson stuff.
I mean, we can't get enough up here.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Dan.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
It's it is the story I would say in the Redon.
Speaker 9 (17:16):
Even if the Celtics are making a run in the postseason,
the thing that people will stop you on the street
and ask you about is Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson
and what's going on there? And how is he allowing
this to happen? And how long is he gonna last
at North Carolina. We talk about it almost every night,
because there's almost every day there's something new. Thank God
(17:37):
for our buddy Pablo Torre. I mean, unbelievable the work
that he's been doing. And I know there are others
who you know, who may look at that and say,
is is that how we should be spending our time?
I heard Bill Simmons say something to that effect recently
on a podcast. But people are interested, and so you know,
I get it, and we certainly are interested. Still up
(17:57):
here as well, and I think people are just fascinating
to see what the football looks like.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Of course, they're interested in all the Jordan Hudson stuff.
Speaker 9 (18:04):
I mean, we had people that were interested in the
the Miss main pageant results a couple of weeks ago, Dan,
So people are one hundred percent on that end of
the storyline. But I think people really want to see
how is Bill going to be able to handle college kids?
How is he going to adapt to the college game.
Is he going to actually be able to win if
he doesn't? What do those press conferences look like? Because
(18:25):
for those of us that have sat in those rooms,
you know, I covered Bill for almost fifteen years and
sat in the front row for a lot of those
press conferences and got a lot of very awkward staredowns
and very awkward pauses and sometimes worse than that, which
I'm sure everybody that's listening is familiar with as well.
So if you're writing for the Daily Bugle, you know
(18:48):
on North Carolina's campus there whatever that is the Daily
tar Heel, you know, how do those interactions go with
with coach Belichick? You know, that to me is a
fascinating part of this too. If it doesn't go all
that great the football field.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I'll give you five minutes with Belichick or five minutes
with Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
I'm taking digs in that scenario, Dan, because i think
even after covering Bill as long as I've covered, as
long as I've covered him, I'm not sure five minutes
with Bill is going to yield all that much. What
about me hurt? What about his girlfriend? Five minutes with
Jordan Hudson or Stephan Diggs.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I'm taking digs, okay, but I'm curious. I would I
would like to.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
Hear your reporter's instincts on that, Dal, Like if you
got if you had digs, what would be the first
thing you would ask him?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
The same thing I would say, what was in the back?
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I think you have to right.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Well, yeah, it's because it's it's videoed. I mean he
saw it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
He was being videotaped, and it's not like he was
done in a clandestine, surreptitiously way. He was there presenting
this and then there's Cardi B and two other women there. Uh,
they're not crushed up sweet tarts. I mean there's something there.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
So you got fundip you didn't think it was funding.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Well, it was for him and them. I'm guessing it
was fund dip in a different way. But yeah, I
think you got to ask that. And I don't know
how he's going to answer this, because at some point
he has to answer it. But you know, does it
go away soon after that? And certainly if you play well,
nobody cares. I wouldn't have signed him to begin with
(20:28):
at that age, coming off an injury. I don't want
him to do to Drake May what maybe he was
doing to Josh Allen, even though he was really good
with Josh Allen. There's a reason why he's bounced around
to a couple of teams here. I want Drake May
to establish his own receivers. And I brought up when
Baker Mayfield was in Cleveland and they brought in OBJ
(20:49):
and he deferred to OBJ to the detriment of Baker
Mayfield and the team.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
It's so interesting.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Because this is why they made such a hard push
for Chris Godwin. They tried to blow him out of
the water, and they did financially. He just didn't accept it.
But they went above and beyond time and again in
their pursuit of Godwin, in part because not only is
he a good player, although he's coming off an injury
as well, but he's considered an unbelievable teammate and a
(21:21):
great locker room guy and the kind of positive force
that you would want to impact on your young quarterback.
They went after DK Metcalf. They let him know, Hey,
would you sign with us long term if we trade
it for you. He told them no, which I think
is surprised, and I think that has been maybe one
of the biggest surprises to Vrabel since he's taken the
new job, is their inability to convince guys to join
(21:42):
them in New England. The DK Metcalf one specifically, somebody
within the organization told me after he ended up signing
with Pittsburgh, man must be a huge Mason Rudolph fan.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I guess, well, because it.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Comes down to this.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
The reason why players wanted to go there was because
because Tom Brady could help you win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, I got to play with Bill Belichick coach.
You know it's about I'm going to go there, all
put up with this the Patriot way, but I get
to play with Tom Brady and I might win a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (22:18):
I mean, that's power, and they're convinced, yeah, they don't,
and they're convinced that, you know, if they don't get
to that level, which you know, whoever gets to that level,
but they're convinced. This regime is convinced that they will
win eventually and they'll be able to convince more players
than they have, maybe not to the same degree they
would have been able to with Belichick and Brady, but
that that will change eventually. It's just I think really
(22:41):
hard for them. It might be really hard for them
to just get out of the blocks. Because as good
as a coach as Mike vrabel is and I think
he's a good coach, and I think Josh McDaniel is
a great offensive coordinator, if you don't have the talent,
it's really really hard to win in this league. And
they might have a great quarterback Drake May I think
is uber talented and mostly what he develops into, but
they need those pieces around him, that receiver room. If
(23:03):
Digs is going to be their best player, I think
that's that is testament to what they have in that
receiver room, which is probably not enough right now.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Great to talk to you, Phil, Thanks for joining us
and good luck with that first question to Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
I'll let you know how it goes. Dan, appreciate you
having me.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
He'll be listening. We'll be listening. That's a Phil Perry,
the Patriots Insider, NBC Sports Boston.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (23:32):
Dereck Henry. He is the Baltimore Ravens star. Let me
give the full lineup here. He is a five time
Pro bowler. He is the twenty twenty NFL Offensive Player
of the Year, two time rushing champ, three time rushing
touchdown leader. Signed a two year, thirty million dollar deal
in the offseason. Twenty five million is guaranteed. All of
(23:55):
a sudden, the running backs are valued again. Derrick Henry
joining us on the program. Good to talk to you again.
You know, let me start when you went to Alabama,
you had one of the more decorated high school resumes
in history of any running back, maybe the greatest of
any running back. Then you go to Alabama and you're
like third or fourth on the depth chart. How do
(24:18):
you how do you process that from going from what
you were in high school to a backups back up
at Alabama.
Speaker 10 (24:26):
Yeah, I think that was one of my first times
that I actually like experienced adversity, which was really good
for me coming into to that program being highly recruited
and having a stellar high school career and then coming
to Alabama getting humbled.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Really really quick. It was.
Speaker 10 (24:49):
It was really good for me and a great learning
experience for me as well, being so young because I
graduated high school early in the road that spring and
got to got to participate in spring football and uh
get a jump on that early and then up then
end up getting hurt the last scrimmage practice right before
(25:13):
the spring game. Uh, fractured my fibula and tore all
the ligaments in my ankle.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
So that year was a big adversity learned a year
from me.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
What was your welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 10 (25:30):
I'll say probably my rookie year And in camp I
think we were might have been a run to play.
Kind of got lit up a little bit by Sean Spence.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Uh what do you mean you kind of got lit
up like.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Like like he hit me.
Speaker 10 (25:50):
I didn't fall, but like kind of got knocked back
a little bit, and then uh, I ended up finishing
uh the play, but I gotta got a good.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Pop out of it.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
This is in practice.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
This in practice.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, yeah, they're allowed to hit you that hard.
Speaker 10 (26:05):
I mean it's a thud, but like we mean, we're
going for Yes, it's gonna be it's gonna be loud.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
The stout dude, you ever knocked anybody out in practice?
Speaker 5 (26:18):
No, I don't try to do anything like that.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Well, they might run into you and knock themselves out.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
Yeah, I mean if if the collision is that big,
But try I try to be nice to my teammates.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
What do you do better now at thirty one than
you did it twenty one?
Speaker 10 (26:34):
I think the game is just come with more experience,
you know what to expect. Uh, look at tendensees. I mean,
as long as you study film, that'll make it a
lot easier to tiss to the little things.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
But what are you looking for when you know you're
getting the ball?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Okay, So Lamar is calling the play and then all
of a sud sudden and then that two seconds, three seconds,
whatever it is, what are you looking at?
Speaker 10 (27:06):
Well, ma'am, just looking at the defense, seeing how they
are aligned, trying to see what I can make happen.
I mean, because they give you a picture and then
a snap of finger that could change as soon as
the ball is snap. So I just try to try
to see what the defense has given us and not
try to anticipate too much because you don't want to
(27:28):
make a pre snap the decision, but just let it
come naturally. But just really try to get a picture
from the defense. Really didn't be out there running.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
When did the shift go back to?
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Now?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Running backs are valued?
Speaker 11 (27:41):
With you and Saquan, Yeah, Like we had that big
commotion about it like a year and a half ago
when the market was it was really sad, you know,
we you know, wanted to do something about it, and
I think the biggest solution was play better, show I value.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
But you had to get the opportunities to carry the ball,
to run for nineteen hundred yards and in Saquon for
two thousand.
Speaker 10 (28:11):
Yeah, I mean, I think you know, at the time,
I was still intendesseee what that big commotion came about.
And he was in New York and a lot of
guys were still on different teams and the next year,
some of us are free agents. We all got a
little different franchises and you know, new opportunities, new beginnings,
and it all worked out well for us. And the
(28:33):
market is, you know, where we wanted to get it
to for the future of guys that's coming out to us.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
We're talking to Derrick Henry. He signed a two year,
thirty million dollar extension, twenty five million guaranteed signing. But
when's the last time you spent a lot of money
on something like you splurged and he went, oh boy, yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
I mean I don't try to spurge too much.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
Something crazy that I know.
Speaker 10 (28:59):
I know everything. Everybody has something that they what they
really like. I mean, you like what you like. And
I think my biggest thing right now is I'm into
like watches.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
I love I love watches.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
All right, what what did you buy.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Recently? Purchased?
Speaker 10 (29:17):
Was like, I think I got a a platinum Daytona Rolex.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Okay, that was a nice one. But yeah, yeah, you
gotta gotta treat yourself.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
But but if you're in New York City, you can
buy those watches that look like real role axes and
then you don't have to spend you know, fifty sixty million,
you know, one thousand dollars on it, saying.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You can you can't. You can buy them, though, you
should wear it in the game one time, you know,
just oh no, no, no, it'd be great advertising there.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Definitely would I just do it, though, heck no.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
The bench press game. Let's go around the room, one rep.
Derek's best, all right, Todd four forty or forty, Seaton
four fifty five, Marvin for twenty five, PAULI for twenty five.
I'm gonna go four thirty five, one rep.
Speaker 10 (30:21):
I think you might be right, man, I think that's
the last last time I've been like heavy max, probably
for thirty five.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Okay, but that would probably be up there among the
top running backs. I'm guessing.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
I mean, it's some strong guys in the league, and
it's been a while since I've did a max bench
But the last time I did it, it was probably probably
for thirty five.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
All right, blacky, dumb bell, dumb bill, bitch.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
What about forty yard dash? What would you run it?
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Now? Probably the same when I h I ran it
during the combine? What was that? It was like four
four five four four five two?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But you seem to be faster when you're carrying the football.
There's certain guys who run faster when people are chasing them.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I feel that way. I don't know, you know it.
Speaker 10 (31:14):
You know some people say you have like testing speed,
and then some people have football speed. And I definitely
feel like that's the case for me. I feel like
I'm more faster on the field if I had you
and Lamar race, Oh, I like me. I'm gonna guess
he likes him.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Who did you have?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Did you have a poster on your wall?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Growing up?
Speaker 10 (31:42):
I was a big Ladadian Thompson fan, but I like
all running backs though, but I was a big LT fan.
I said, I had his Bible head jersey.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
I love LT.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
What what have you talked to him?
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Yeah? I LT plenty of times.
Speaker 10 (31:56):
Hey, you did get some time with him as a
Nike event a Nike you hill.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Well, he runs differently than you.
Speaker 10 (32:03):
Do, way differently, And I thought I can run like
him until I got older and the bigger our guy,
I was like, maybe, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Like, do you wish you were built like Ladanian more
than you're built like you?
Speaker 6 (32:15):
No?
Speaker 10 (32:16):
I mean the danis Ladanian and I'm me, so God
make me the way I need to be made.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
So I'm sure there are defenders that wish you were
built like Ladanian.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
There was running now.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I mean you know that size ain't matter and it
was he was the truth.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Great to talk to you. Congrats on the contract extension there.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Appreciate it, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Can we get to two thousand yards this year? I
mean why stop at nineteen hundred?
Speaker 5 (32:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I know how important was two thousand for you?
Speaker 10 (32:50):
It wasn't really, it wasn't. It wasn't important at all.
But you know, when you get that close, everybody's like, hey,
you couldn't get two thousands thineteen hundred, you couldn't get
two thousand.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
I'm like, Noah, what in my cards? That's you?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well, uh, nice to talk to you. We'll talk to
you again. Thank you again, and congratu on the contract.
Speaker 10 (33:08):
Appreciate it, Dan. Thank you for wearing that hoodie. Man,
I'm green, brighten up my day, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Well, this is happy Gilmore too. This is with Adam.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Okay, that's one of my you know, I was my
favorite actors. So that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So that that's the happy Gilmore golf swing right there,
that patch right there?
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Hey, if you can you do my favorite?
Speaker 10 (33:30):
Yeah, if you ever see him again, tell him I'm
a really big fan.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
I would really love to meet him one day.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
You know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I'm going to text him today and ask if he'll
send a video please, and then I'm going to send.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
It to the Ravens. Okay. Cool, I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And if you get to two thousand yards, I'll get
you in a Sandler movie.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
All right, Cool? Say up?
Speaker 6 (33:56):
More is all right?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Remember that?
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Now you remember this.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Remember take care of my end of it, Okay. I
mean mine's easy, Yeah, yours is hard. You got to
get two thousand yards.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
No pressure, that is all, No pressure at all. All right,
thank you, alright, see y'all.
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