June 16, 2025 • 33 mins
San Francisco 49ers TE George Kittle breaks down Tight End University and shares jokes about the pay discrepancy between him and QB Brock Purdy. Former head coach and current NBA analyst, P.J. Carlesimo discusses Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s heroic Game 4 performance and questions the Knicks' decision to fire Tom Thibodeau. And golf analyst voice Steve Sands breaks down JJ Spaun's improbable win at Oakmont and shares a story of when Rory McIlroy made him cry.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
I think this is the fifth year they've been doing
the tight End University in George Kittle helped start that
and the Niners tight End back on the program. Do
you reject any tight Ends that want to go to
tight End University?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hey, Dago boarding Man, Hi bun, how are you doing?
Petty Fother's Day?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Thank you you too?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Oh my goodness, let's see. Do I reject anybody?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Actually?
Speaker 5 (00:29):
So?
Speaker 6 (00:30):
How did you start it off where we were? Howd
just do an only active players? In the last two
years we've opened it up to all active practice squad
guys who've been in the league who might not be
on a team yet. So no, it is as long
as I can get a hold of those guys and
they have NEMO address, I can send an invite form
and fill out on the registration form two they're invited.
So I think we have between eighty and ninety guys
this year, which I'm pretty excited about.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
But is there a syllabus, Like if you're going to
a university, they give you a kind of a rundown
of classes that you go to, like what is required
in all seriousness? If tight End diversity.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
Really for guys to be there as long as you're
on in NFL roster, were in like the last year,
you're invited. But syllabus wise, what we do is we
do a classroom session and you have guys like so,
I've talked about run blocking, past protection, yack, those are
things that I focused on the past years. Travis talks
about his route tree, how he reads coverages. Greg Olsen
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talks about his routes. We've had Jordan Rita spoke former
Washington tight End about his releases this year. Evan Ingram's
going to talk, which I'm excited about. We got him
up for the first time. And Jeremy Shockey will hopefully
be teaching something. Gronk has taught something in the past,
Dallas Clark and so really it's just we try to
give We try to cover all the things that Titan
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does because we're the only position that really gets to
do everything, you know, pass pro, run blocking, catching, catching
the football, scoring touchdowns, running the ball sometimes. So like
we kind of try to cover as much as possibly
can in the limited time that we have with these
guys and just we try to give them that's an
extra step forward in their careers to help them make
a team to follow and the following camp.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Are you guys like a union. I mean, it feels
like the tight end was kind of forgotten, you know
when you look at franchise tags and kind of fighting
for those salaries there. But how much how much do
you talk about the finances of playing the position?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You know what? We do that every once in a while,
you know, we do bring it.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
We do talk about things other than just football, Like
we had some financial buysors come in one year and
talk about that. We had some venture guys come in
to talk about investments and so that is something. But
what we do, like, the only way for the tight
end market to continue to grow is if everybody's getting paid.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
That's that's the only way to do it.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
That You can't just have one guy do it and
then it just sits for three or four years, because
then you're stuck and it's staggning. No one's getting paid.
So we want everybody, Like I want everybody to have
great seasons. I want everybody to have great games, just
not against the forty nine ers, but throughout the rest
the season. They can play as well as they want
to because I want guys to get paid to keep
bumping up that market. So by the time that you know,
brock Bowers is doing his contract in three years.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
He's going for over twenty million, which he will. And
that's just the whole point.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
You know, when tight end you first started, I think
the top of the mark was fifteen and now we're
almost twenty. So like we're continually growing it. And you know,
as a tight end and as a position who does everything, yeah,
I think we should be making more money, but we're
working on it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I go back to Jimmy Graham. Jimmy Graham didn't want
to be paid as a tight end, and I don't
know what that did to the salary structure, but I
know he was very vocal at the time that hey,
I knew what wide receivers do as well as play
tight end. Did that change the salary structure?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
You know?
Speaker 6 (03:40):
I think it was a step in the right direction,
because I don't I think they still paid him like
a tight end, but like, just getting that idea out there,
it kind of made everybody else kind of think about
it and be like, yeah, you know what, You're right, Hey,
how come I have eighty catches in eleven hundred yards
and ten touchdowns. And you know, Travis Kelsey was making
like eight million dollars in the next wide receivers making
eighteen to twenty at the time. So it's just like,
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how can you, you know, not respect that position enough
to give him that money, Because if you look back
to it, like the last what ten Super Bowls, there's
basically a Pro Bowl or Crene All Pro tight end
in every single one of those games making plays, and
so the team that have great tight ends usually win
the most football games in my opinion, So just keep
emphasizing those tight ends and keep paying them a lot
of money.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
George Kittle on behalf of tight End University and presented
by Bud Light fifth year that they've had this in Nashville.
How much do you joke with Rock Party now on
how much he's making.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Oh my goodness, it's so nice. He can pay for
our Halloween party. Now, Dan, I'm so excited about it.
That's been on. You know, Jimmy g used to pay
for it. That's what the quarterback does.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And then uh wait wait wait what's the Halloween party? Like,
what what does that encompass?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (04:51):
We just like rent, we ran out of a restaurant,
a bar area. Just make it a private event so
guys can go to it with their wife's significant other.
It's just like I like to I like to congregate
outside of theacility so you can actually build these relationships,
enjoy going to the work with the guys. And I'm
always big the one thing the Niners do a good
job of. They always bring the wives and the families
in all the time to a couple of events throughout
the year, and so I just want to reemphasize that.
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So you know, so like when you know, my wife
goes to the game, it's not the first time she's
hanging out with one of our defensive lineman's wives. You know,
something like that, just so you do they have a
relationship and gives guys an opportunity to loss some steaming
in the season, whether we're having a good year or
a bad year. And so hopefully Brock will be paying
for that one. Hopefully he's paying for a lot of
stuff that'd be helpful. I would enjoy that.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
But you can joke with him about oh yeah, the
amount of money.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Oh yeah, you know what it's I told him, you know,
before the deal's even done. I was like, you guys
are in a different status for this quarterback market. Like
I'm over here fighting for nineteen to twenty million dollars
a year and you're you're above fifty. So I was like, look,
just whatever, you know, whatever's best for you, guys. I
know you'll make the right decision. But you know, I'm
happy for Brock to him and his wife finally got
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it done.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And McCaffrey, though he makes good coin to you got
a lot of guys who make a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
On the we have a lot of guys make a
lot of money. We have a lot of guys who
make a lot of football plays. So I feel like
that's good for football.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
McCaffrey, did you get invited to his wedding?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I did.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I was there. I had a fantastic time.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Okay, what are you getting for a wedding gift?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
What did I get him for a wedding gift?
Speaker 6 (06:17):
I flew into Rhode Island from Nashville, Tennessee, which is
kind of hard to get. And then I just give
him my valuable time. It's hard to get a gift
for somebody who you get whatever they want. Man, that's
always the toughest thing.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
But you could have, you know, an autograph jersey.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
You know what that is. That's a good one. You know,
I usually trade. I trade jersey with my teammates after
we no longer teammates. So like me and Deevo finally
traded jerseys for the first time, which is pretty fun.
I got a tarvarious Ward jersey. But yeah, at some point,
you know, I could get Christian trying to think. Yeah,
I find I could find like a fun Kevin Grant jersey,
Kevin Garnett jersey or something like that.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Wait, he's fans of those.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Kevin guard I mean he does like basketball.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
But that's one thing.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I have a good memorabilia guy.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Like I just got one of my best friends to
signed Kevin Garnett jersey as a birthday president.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
He was blown away.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Oh it's pretty sick. Yeah, that's he's the man who
benches more. You were McCaffrey bench press.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I'm gonna take myself on that.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
I'm gonna even though he's got a little bit shorter
arm so might be easier for him, I'm still gonna
take myself.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
How about a tight end university.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Oh, I definitely don't bench the most of the tight
end university that is that is not, but we do.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
We do have some fun workouts.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
We do a little it's called arm Farm Friday, and
we just see how big our bicyps and tryceups can
get for a day.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That's always pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Do you film this stuff?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Yeah, we filmed so, Like we have classroom sessions that
we have cameras on that, you know, we can send
out to the guys afterwards so that they can revisit those.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Lessons in public. Uh clips and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Not necessarily all the classroom stuff because I like to
keep that kind of private for the guys to learn.
All the on the field stuff though, that's recorded. We
push that out as much as we possibly can, you know,
just grills and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Can you kid Travis Kelcey about Taylor Swift?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I think Greg Olsen does that enough for everybody.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Give me a for give me for instance.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Uh well, we first off, we just call Greg Olsen
Dad twenty four to seven. That's what me and Travis
call him, because he's like you should see the way
he coaches on the field.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's like he's coaching Pop Warner football. It's fantastic. But
he likes to. He likes to give.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Everybody some crap every once in a while, whether it's
Travis in his relationship with Taylor. It's all good hearted though,
because we all love Traravis. I mean, Travis has done
so much for Titan News and so much for the
Titan position. And you know, when you're as awesome of
a guy that he is, it's kind of it's really
fun just you know, bust his balls once in a while.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I know you want to mention your sponsors there. We
do this every year, so can you.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
See them all?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I can see him.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I brought my Gatorade water, okay as well.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You got bud Light, you got dude wipes, you got yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Like Gatorade, dude wipes, old Spice, New Era. We had
all the We have a bunch of new sponsors in
which we're really excited about. You know, it's we raised
all this money. Basically, every Titan that comes in, they
pay for their flight. We take care of everything else. Hotel, transportation, food,
the concert with country musicians, a golf tournament, we take
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care of everything. We wanted to be a first class event,
and our sponsors make it possible. And the cool thing
is too After we raise all this money, everything that's
left me, Travis and Greg Olsen, we kind of divvy
it up and then we donate it through charities of
our choice, so we give back at the end. So
basically raising a bunch of money, like I always donate
my money to the Iowa Children's Hospital, some close to my heart's.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I went to college there.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Travis has his foundation, Greg has his foundation, and so
that's really the fun part about it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Too great to.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Talk to you again. Hopefully we'll talk to you during
the season. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, you know what, Dan Zory is great talking to you.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Man A's George Kettle. He's the Niners tight end.
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Speaker 2 (11:04):
Let's bring in PJ. Carlissimo, ESPN NBA Studio Analysts, ESPN
Game Analyst, PJ. How are you excellent?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
DP? How are you?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I'm doing great. I'm feeling like Shay gilgis Alexander right now.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You should be feeling great, man.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Help me understand. Three minutes to go on Friday night,
and he takes over. Indiana knows he's taken over, and
you still can't stop him. Why.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
He's a really tough combination, the size, the ball handling,
he's got the middle game. I don't want to say
he's a good three point show. He's a decent three
point shore. He made the only three in the entire
fourth quarter. I kept saying that Marcuestershire during the game.
If OKC doesn't make some threes, they can't win this game,
and they didn't. But Jay made one that really mattered
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down the stretch. He wants the ball. He's herky, jerky.
He just he's like he reminds me a little a
pac Man years ago. Like he doesn't straight line anything.
He goes over, sideways around the guy. He gets in
front of a player, he stops, he initiates contact. He's
got that forearm out a lot. You know, the other
team is always gonna cry, hey, he created the contact,
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his defender didn't. He just he can get basically wherever
he wants to get. It's usually the mid range jumper,
and then not always in late game situations. He's a
really good passer. He sees the rest of the floor.
So the rest of the game, he'll involve his team.
And I'm not saying he won't pass it at the end,
but if it's a big enough shot, he knows he's
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supposed to take it.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
What went wrong with the Pacers?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Rick Carlisle used the word stat which was interesting because
obviously lead by seven points after three quarters, and not
that there's always a correlation, but in the first three
games they own the fourth quarter. They were the best
fourth quarter team in the first three games of the playoff.
So you're sitting there between the third and fourth quarter
and thinking, boy, Indiana is in really good shape. I
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thought one thing happened that kind of got lost in
the shuffle. On the OKC side. Cheded Holmgren and Alex
Caruso scored the first nine points, like it went from
eighty seven to eighty to eighty nine, eighty nine, and
it was all Alex Caruso and Cheded Holmgren. Chet had six,
Ac had three, and boom, like right away, this big advantage.
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It was gone. So now we're starting all over. It's
an even game. Rick thought they got sped up a
little bit. They weren't popping the ball around as much.
It was sticking. They obviously weren't making threes, which early
on had been their bread and butter in that game,
so it kind of got away from them. I don't
want to say they lost their composure, but they certainly
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didn't play with the confidence and with the purpose on
the offensive end. Especially the other thing I mean with
all it was said Ben Matheren, who's their best free
throw shoot, missed a pair that would have still made
it a one point game with like twenty four seconds
to go. So the series has been much more competitive
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and much closer than I thought it was going to
be starting out.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Other topics help me understand the Desmond Vane trade from
both sides here.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Well, I can understand it from the Orlando side in
terms of a quality player. They really struggle at times offensively.
Jamal Mosley's done a really good job there. It's hard
a little bit to evaluate him this year because you
had so many injuries. Polo had a great year, Wagner
was out a lot, both Wagner, So the team is
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closer than a lot of people realize. Orlando's kind of
poised to make a run in the Eastern Conference, particularly
with who knows what's going to happen with the Celtics.
I don't think the coaching is necessarily the absolute key.
You know, I'm biased about that, but I think the
Knicks are going to be okay regardless of what they do.
I don't think they're going to be as good as
they were coaching, but I think it's a good time
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to make a move in the East. So I can
understand what Orlando's thinking. But boy, they gave up a lot.
They really gave up a lot much Casep. The jury's
out on I loved him in Denver, liked him in LA.
He had a really tough year. Is he too old?
Is he on the downside? I don't know. I still
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think there's something there. Greg anthony Son's a very good
player and a slew of draft picks, so I thought
they gave up a lot, But they got They got
a really special player back. Desmond Baine is a big
time shooter. He's a strong, physical guard. He's a very
willing defender. He's a good defender. So I think they
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got a heck of a player that can really help
them advance in the East. But boy, they gave up
a ton.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
PJ Carlissimo, former NBA coach an analyst for the Mothership.
He'll be covering the NBA finals. You mentioned the Knicks.
What are the Knicks doing?
Speaker 4 (15:58):
They don't know, Deve Peter's no way we know they
have no idea themselves what they're doing. So I just
don't understand it that I conventional logic, which doesn't really
concern me, is you don't fire a guy who says
talented a coach is tips. You can say whatever you
want about managing the bench. And you know they didn't
get as far as you look at what they've done
in the last twenty five years and his four years
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of putting them in the playoffs, they get to the
Eastern Conference finals. He's a proven winner. He was a
big factor back in eight. Doctor be the first to
tell you that when the Celtics won there. He's really
a special coach. You're rid of a coach and it
doesn't seem like they had a plan. The Knicks, you know,
are still one of the three or four, you know,
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pre eminent franchises in the league. You think people you
don't want to coach there despite and I don't think
it's always necessarily leon. You know, you just don't know
with the ownership how much there's interference there. I don't
know who made this decision. It's easy for them to
make it look like, well, the players weren't happy playing
for TIBs. Got a couple of guys that have had
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the best year they've ever had in the NBA. So
I don't think they're really thinking, I don't like playing
for this guy. You know, it's been good for me
and the team's been winning where they're going now. I
don't know the calling other teams to talk to their
coaches that are there and very good coaches. Okay, good,
they picked good teams to call those guys that are
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very good coaches. Why would you ever give permission for
the Knicks to talk to the guy? I mean, I
don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Any chance, any chance Rick Brunson takes over as the
head coach of the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I would have thought, yes, everybody's telling me no. And
who everybody is. I don't know people around the Knicks,
the broadcasters, assistant coaches, a couple of players I talked to,
they all think no. That that to me was kind
of from the beginning. Rick Brunson's capable of being a
coach in the NBA. He obviously Tips valued his account,
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so you know he was a major factor for them.
I would have thought it just doesn't seem to be
mentioned at all. Whether it becomes a fallback, I don't know.
Doesn't seem like it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Kevin Durant's value now is what.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I think, still very very good. He's still is going
to get you thirty or close to it. He's still
We talked about how special Shay is. Kevin in his prime,
and he's not far from his prime, was the best
end of a game player you would ever want. He
was so big, he was so good with the ball.
He shot threes, shoots threes even.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Better better than Lebron closing time or step closing.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I think, yes, you know I want him because Lebron
always as great as Lebron is. He was never a
great free throw shoot. He's become He's much better than
he was. Kad was the whole package. He was going
to shoot ninety percent free throws. He was too big,
he could shoot over everybody. He had a good handle
for a guy that big, and he could score outside
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or inside. And if you followed him, he was automatic.
So he was a tremendous end of game player. Not
that he wasn't good the other forty seven minutes, but
he was money at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
What's the best performance you ever witnessed, whether you're coaching
against or coaching for, But who put up the best
performance ever?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Well, I want to say Tim Duncan, but I'm trying
to think of an individual one the five years I
was lucky enough to be an assistant in San Antonio,
there were so many times that he got us through
to the end. But he wasn't you know, he wasn't
one of those guys that normally put up like forty
and did like twenty two points in a row. That's
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a heck of a question. I'm tempted to say somebody
like Kevin, but I'm getting senile, So I can't really
come up with an opponent or a game where I
just like sat there and said, I can't believe what
this guy's doing. Just scored, you know, like kind of
what Shade did the other night, what it was at
fifteen in the last sixteen. But not taking anything away,
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he's he is the MVP. He's great. Jolkic is another one.
DP I don't I would. I know, we don't want
to get into the Jokic Shay debate right now, but
Jokic did that a number of times. The way he
impacted a game, I mean in so many different ways,
with the passing, with the scoring himself, with getting in
the free throw line, the way he understands the game.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
What about witness anything with Jordan?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Oh, I mean that was like automatic, but it was
like you were so immune to it. You're just like
when he did it, you go, yeah, of course. It
was kind of like when they when they ran out
of time, whether yesterday they put Tiger on and it
was like a nice watching I had forgotten that last
butt rolled around a little bit. But Rocco wasn't being
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smagger game. He went like, yeah, of course he made
the butt. That's what Tiger does. That was the way
it was mj Like whatever he did, you just go okay,
you know if that's what Michael Jordan did, which made
it kind of special that you actually expected it and
you just kind of shrug your shoulders and go, yeah,
that was Michael Jordan. It's funny talking to a lot
of the younger players now, in a sense, they certainly
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don't remember them, but they haven't even seen him that much. Honestly,
they don't appreciate exactly what he did on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
What was more physical the NBA in the eighties or
the Big East in the eighties.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I think in the eighties it was actually the Big
East because nothing was called. It was great, it was expected.
This series, talking about physical, you got two teams that
prefer to pick up folk court. Anytime there's a dead ball,
they'll both pick up ninety four feet. They have a
lot of physical defenders. That's the way they defend. It's
really hard to officiate this series because there's contact and
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there's guys laying on each other virtually every play. And
when you go to the lane, it's very rare when
somebody gets all the way to the basket with like
without home Grin or Miles Turner or a couple of
these really good long athletes just challenging every shot. I
really think the defense in this series is excellent.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, but they're not fighting like you guys did in
the eighties.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Ill that was just I mean, it was just I
don't know whether Dave had him to Dave Gavin had
a meeting with the officials or what. But it was
like the funny part was it was expected though, Like
you didn't even look like a guy would go through
get knocked down. He'd be up, he'd be bleeding. Nobody
would say a word. It was like, okay, now they
follow us. That's the way it was. You know what
it was like on the playground DP when you were
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young and it was a game to eleven and it
got to be ten ten, Well you had to like
make a jump shot or something like that because if
you an inside, guys just punched you, knocked you down.
That was the way the Big East was. Oh, he
was most of the possessions in the game.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Great to talk to you. Save that voice for tonight. Sorry, well, brother,
thank you DP.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Good seeing you.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Great to see you, PJ, PJ. Carlossimo. He'll be on
the call tonight.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (23:10):
I have to get to Steve San's of Golf Channel.
Very popular play by play announcer, host and interviewer Steve
how are you Shooter?
Speaker 5 (23:21):
McGavin was at the players this year, Dan, and I
was on a stage with him and got to meet
him and then hang out with him for a little while,
and I was like, man, this is a man. Shooter
McGavin's like an incredible character in sports movie lore, and
it was pretty wild. But let me get back to
the Adam Sandler thing. One love when you name drop.
I think that's very cool. And Two, how in the
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world can you walk block after block in New York
City and only have one person ask for your autograph?
You came to dinner with me about a month ago
in winter Park and we couldn't take a bite without
everyone in the restaurant running by and calling, Oh my god,
that's Keith Orperman. But I'm sorry, Dan, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Good to have you back on, Steve.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
It's great that you're with you, Dan. How are you doing, buddy?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The best golf movie of all time.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Is oh, Caddy Shack.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's not even close.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Come on, really, come on, I mean Caddy Shack. You can.
I mean, I love Adam Sandler and I love all
things golf genre with Adam Sandler. I mean, come on now,
I mean Caddy Shack. Is there something better than caddy shack.
Are you gonna give me Kevin cost and that whole thing?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Okay? If I take caddy Shack off the board?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Man, you know, I haven't seen the second version, but
the first version with Adam Sandler, I mean that made
me laugh out loud. I mean, golf usually doesn't make
you laugh out loud. Yeah, I gotta see. I gotta
see the second version though. Are you saying it's good?
Were you in the movie by the way, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Wow, of course.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
I mean, I'll tell you what, man, you you're a
big time man, I.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Know, but I always find time for you, is that right?
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Yes, you come to the Orlando area like once a month,
that I hear from you once a year. Is that
always making time for me?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yes, because I got to meet up with rich Lerner
uh Faldo. Like there's a lot of a lot of Yeah, a.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Lot of the best, the best. The best part about
you living in that circle of people is that Lerner
now lives in Connecticut and Foudo lives in Montana. And
you're saying that you have to see them both when
you're in Orlando. Yes, that's my favorite part.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
No, No, I drive their old houses.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yeah, that's nice. That's nice of you.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Okay. I love what rich Lerner said last night. He
said that JJ spawn he beat the best and he
beat the beast. Yeah, he did in in that order.
Did he beat the best or did he beat the beast?
Speaker 5 (25:57):
I think he beat the beasts first. I think certain
may your championship venues. Aside from Augusta National, which hosts
the Masters every year, there's certain US Open and PGA
Championship and Open Championship venues that just mean more. They
just do you do it Open at Saint Andrew's and
it means more than most of the other venues. And
I think Oakmont is one of those places. Dan, when
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you win at Oakmont, you have conquered Oakmont more than
you've conquered the other one hundred and fifty five guys
who were in the field. I agree with rich but
I would go beast before the field.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
How many golf courses in the world do we tune
in to see the golf course and then you tune
in to see how the players play the golf course.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Augusta National for the Masters every year. I've never been anywhere,
you know. I've said this to people all the time.
You can go to Churchill Downs on the first Saturday
in May. You're going to turn around and watch the derby.
At some point you're gonna go to Wrigley or Fenway
or whatever your cathedrals are, fog Allen. At some point,
whatever your cathedrals are. In sports, you're gonna be watching
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the sporting event you can walk in. We talked about
this before, Dan. You can go to Augusta, get a
badge for a day, walk around, eat those horrible Prometo
cheese sandwiches, buy yourself two thousand dollars worth of merchandise
because you think you're never going to go back there again,
and you have to buy something for every human being
you've ever met in your life, whether you love them
or not. Have a beer, walk the eighteen holes, see
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the place you're so familiar with, not see a single
golf shot, and walk away, go home and go that's
the best day of my life. And you never saw
a shot. The course at Augusta National matters. Pebble Beach,
I think is in that category. We see that regularly.
But you can just walk around Pebble and enjoy the
beauty and again Saint Andrew's the familiarity of it, the
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history of it. But I think it's those three if
you're gonna do a US Open. I think next year's
venue might be the best golf course in America shinnecock
Out on the tip of Long Island. But Oakmont is
one of those places that's hosts the most. And but
it's also it's just so famous for being hard. It's
just so hard. It's fun for US hacks to watch
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the best players in the world try to get it
around there.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
He Steve Sands, NBC sports play by play announcer, host
interviewer working for the Golf Channel as well. When you
start to look at what how this played out, you
didn't have big names at the top of the leaderboard
right why.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
You know, somebody told me a couple of days ago.
I found it interesting. PGA Tour events, week in week
out are not set up as difficult as this. So
if you're a little bit off your game and you're
still the best player in the world, you can get
it out of the rough, you can get it up
and in around the greens. You can't do that at
the US Open. So if the best players in the
world are just a little bit off at a regular
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tour event, they still end up on a leaderboard, whereas
in a US Open, especially a US Open at Oakmont,
if you're a little off the target, like Scheffler was,
like Rory was, like Awfully was, like Ludvig Oldberg was.
You know, if your top four or five players in
the world just a hair off of a US Open,
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you're gonna get punished. And those guys got punished last week.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Why isn't Rory meeting with the media when he has
a bad round?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
You know what's sad?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Dan?
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I forget the night we had dinner. I'm being all
kidding aside. We had dinner one night and we were
talking about this at dinner, and it's still going on.
I think he's really bothered by what happened at the
PGA Championship when the USGA and the PGA of America
basically threw him under the bus and leaked out that
his driver had to get taken away. So did Scotti,
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Scheffler's by the way, Dan, and he went on to win,
but his name wasn't leaked out.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Rory's was.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
He had just won the career Grand Slam. You know,
I think that I think there's a motivation factor going
on right now that he's trying to find that gear again.
His whole life was geared towards doing something. Now that
he's done it, he's naturally kind of taking his foot
off the gas a little bit. I think he's upset
that his name was leaked out. He didn't like the
way the media handled that. The media actually went forward
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with that, as opposed to perhaps going to him off
the record and say, hey, I just found this out.
What would you like me to do with it because
I have to go report it that kind of thing.
And I also think he's not playing very well Dan,
and I don't think he likes talking about that too often.
But I got to tell you, as much as I
love Rory, I think you have to be professional and
you have to speak when you win and when you lose.
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Jack Nicholas was the greatest champion in the sport, Dan,
he was also the greatest loser in the sport, and
I think he needs to man up and speak to
the media because you don't want them directing the narrative.
You should direct the narrative. And I think he's making
a mistake and I hope he gets back and starts
to do what he normally does because, by the way, Dan,
he's so great with the media, he needs to do it.
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It's not professional.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Because Jack won eighteen majors. I think he finished runner
up nineteen times.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Yes, nineteen times. And by the way, Rory is such
a good guy, and he's so smart and insightful, and
he's fabulous with the writers. He's fabulous on podcasts, he's
fabulous on fabulous on shows like yours and on TV
with us. You know, I hope he gets back to
doing it regularly because he's so good at it. But
right now he's in a little bit of a funk
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with the media and he's not giving the media what.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It wants to.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
By the way, Dan, one last thing on that he
doesn't owe the media. You and I talked about this.
No athlete owes the media anything. They're right when they
say that. They shouldn't say that out loud, but they
don't owe the media anything. They do owe their fans
and their sponsors everything. The media just happens to be
the conduit between the athlete and the audience, whether it's
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sponsors or whether it's fans. And I think that players
need to get out of the realm of thinking we
owe the media something, we owe the fans that sponsors something.
The media is just the outlet between the two parties.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Didn't Rory make you cry?
Speaker 5 (31:56):
He did make me cry at royal Port Rush in
twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
My mother.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I'll tell you quick story. My mother had just passed away.
And you know, you hear from a lot of people.
You hear from a lot of family and friends. Clearly
you know when your parents passed away or someone close
he passes away. This case, it was my mom. We
go to Northern Ireland and I had never heard from Rory.
I hadn't seen Rory since my mother had passed away.
It had been about three weeks and he missed the
cut at Royal Port Rush in his home country, which
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had all the pressure on his shoulders and his back
going into that week, and right before we were about
to do the interview on Friday, after missing the cut,
after all that emotion from him, he literally looks at
Tommy Roy's in my year going okay. Thirty seconds out
said great, and Rory looks at me and goes, hey,
I didn't want to text you and I hadn't seen
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you puts his hand on my arm and says, I'm
so sorry to hear about your mom. I wanted to
make sure I told you that in person, and E yikes,
Dand I mean we were out on the air, but
I was like, whoa. I backed away from the camera,
hit the talk back button and said to Tommy. I
said to Tommy Roy, you're gonna need a minute. He goes, no,
we gotta get so, we gotta get to you. And
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I go, I'm gonna need a minute. And I looked
at Rory Way, you gotta be kidding me, and it was, Uh,
it was a very very nice moment. Gives you a
little bit of insight as to what type of human
being he is, which is why we all want to
hear from him whether he wins or loses. But yeah,
that was a It was a very very nice thing.
He definitely got me, and not many people get me,
but he got me hard there.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Great to talk to you again, Dan, You're the best man.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Thank you. Steve Sands
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I think this is the fifth year they've been doing
the tight End University in George Kittle helped start that
and the Niners tight End back on the program. Do
you reject any tight Ends that want to go to
tight End University?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hey, Dago boarding Man, Hi bun, how are you doing?
Petty Fother's Day?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Thank you you too?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Oh my goodness, let's see. Do I reject anybody?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Actually?
Speaker 5 (00:29):
So?
Speaker 6 (00:30):
How did you start it off where we were? Howd
just do an only active players? In the last two
years we've opened it up to all active practice squad
guys who've been in the league who might not be
on a team yet. So no, it is as long
as I can get a hold of those guys and
they have NEMO address, I can send an invite form
and fill out on the registration form two they're invited.
So I think we have between eighty and ninety guys
this year, which I'm pretty excited about.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
But is there a syllabus, Like if you're going to
a university, they give you a kind of a rundown
of classes that you go to, like what is required
in all seriousness? If tight End diversity.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
Really for guys to be there as long as you're
on in NFL roster, were in like the last year,
you're invited. But syllabus wise, what we do is we
do a classroom session and you have guys like so,
I've talked about run blocking, past protection, yack, those are
things that I focused on the past years. Travis talks
about his route tree, how he reads coverages. Greg Olsen
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talks about his routes. We've had Jordan Rita spoke former
Washington tight End about his releases this year. Evan Ingram's
going to talk, which I'm excited about. We got him
up for the first time. And Jeremy Shockey will hopefully
be teaching something. Gronk has taught something in the past,
Dallas Clark and so really it's just we try to
give We try to cover all the things that Titan
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does because we're the only position that really gets to
do everything, you know, pass pro, run blocking, catching, catching
the football, scoring touchdowns, running the ball sometimes. So like
we kind of try to cover as much as possibly
can in the limited time that we have with these
guys and just we try to give them that's an
extra step forward in their careers to help them make
a team to follow and the following camp.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Are you guys like a union. I mean, it feels
like the tight end was kind of forgotten, you know
when you look at franchise tags and kind of fighting
for those salaries there. But how much how much do
you talk about the finances of playing the position?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You know what? We do that every once in a while,
you know, we do bring it.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
We do talk about things other than just football, Like
we had some financial buysors come in one year and
talk about that. We had some venture guys come in
to talk about investments and so that is something. But
what we do, like, the only way for the tight
end market to continue to grow is if everybody's getting paid.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
That's that's the only way to do it.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
That You can't just have one guy do it and
then it just sits for three or four years, because
then you're stuck and it's staggning. No one's getting paid.
So we want everybody, Like I want everybody to have
great seasons. I want everybody to have great games, just
not against the forty nine ers, but throughout the rest
the season. They can play as well as they want
to because I want guys to get paid to keep
bumping up that market. So by the time that you know,
brock Bowers is doing his contract in three years.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
He's going for over twenty million, which he will. And
that's just the whole point.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
You know, when tight end you first started, I think
the top of the mark was fifteen and now we're
almost twenty. So like we're continually growing it. And you know,
as a tight end and as a position who does everything, yeah,
I think we should be making more money, but we're
working on it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I go back to Jimmy Graham. Jimmy Graham didn't want
to be paid as a tight end, and I don't
know what that did to the salary structure, but I
know he was very vocal at the time that hey,
I knew what wide receivers do as well as play
tight end. Did that change the salary structure?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
You know?
Speaker 6 (03:40):
I think it was a step in the right direction,
because I don't I think they still paid him like
a tight end, but like, just getting that idea out there,
it kind of made everybody else kind of think about
it and be like, yeah, you know what, You're right, Hey,
how come I have eighty catches in eleven hundred yards
and ten touchdowns. And you know, Travis Kelsey was making
like eight million dollars in the next wide receivers making
eighteen to twenty at the time. So it's just like,
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how can you, you know, not respect that position enough
to give him that money, Because if you look back
to it, like the last what ten Super Bowls, there's
basically a Pro Bowl or Crene All Pro tight end
in every single one of those games making plays, and
so the team that have great tight ends usually win
the most football games in my opinion, So just keep
emphasizing those tight ends and keep paying them a lot
of money.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
George Kittle on behalf of tight End University and presented
by Bud Light fifth year that they've had this in Nashville.
How much do you joke with Rock Party now on
how much he's making.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Oh my goodness, it's so nice. He can pay for
our Halloween party. Now, Dan, I'm so excited about it.
That's been on. You know, Jimmy g used to pay
for it. That's what the quarterback does.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And then uh wait wait wait what's the Halloween party? Like,
what what does that encompass?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (04:51):
We just like rent, we ran out of a restaurant,
a bar area. Just make it a private event so
guys can go to it with their wife's significant other.
It's just like I like to I like to congregate
outside of theacility so you can actually build these relationships,
enjoy going to the work with the guys. And I'm
always big the one thing the Niners do a good
job of. They always bring the wives and the families
in all the time to a couple of events throughout
the year, and so I just want to reemphasize that.
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So you know, so like when you know, my wife
goes to the game, it's not the first time she's
hanging out with one of our defensive lineman's wives. You know,
something like that, just so you do they have a
relationship and gives guys an opportunity to loss some steaming
in the season, whether we're having a good year or
a bad year. And so hopefully Brock will be paying
for that one. Hopefully he's paying for a lot of
stuff that'd be helpful. I would enjoy that.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
But you can joke with him about oh yeah, the
amount of money.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Oh yeah, you know what it's I told him, you know,
before the deal's even done. I was like, you guys
are in a different status for this quarterback market. Like
I'm over here fighting for nineteen to twenty million dollars
a year and you're you're above fifty. So I was like, look,
just whatever, you know, whatever's best for you, guys. I
know you'll make the right decision. But you know, I'm
happy for Brock to him and his wife finally got
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it done.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And McCaffrey, though he makes good coin to you got
a lot of guys who make a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
On the we have a lot of guys make a
lot of money. We have a lot of guys who
make a lot of football plays. So I feel like
that's good for football.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
McCaffrey, did you get invited to his wedding?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I did.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I was there. I had a fantastic time.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Okay, what are you getting for a wedding gift?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
What did I get him for a wedding gift?
Speaker 6 (06:17):
I flew into Rhode Island from Nashville, Tennessee, which is
kind of hard to get. And then I just give
him my valuable time. It's hard to get a gift
for somebody who you get whatever they want. Man, that's
always the toughest thing.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
But you could have, you know, an autograph jersey.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
You know what that is. That's a good one. You know,
I usually trade. I trade jersey with my teammates after
we no longer teammates. So like me and Deevo finally
traded jerseys for the first time, which is pretty fun.
I got a tarvarious Ward jersey. But yeah, at some point,
you know, I could get Christian trying to think. Yeah,
I find I could find like a fun Kevin Grant jersey,
Kevin Garnett jersey or something like that.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Wait, he's fans of those.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Kevin guard I mean he does like basketball.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
But that's one thing.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I have a good memorabilia guy.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Like I just got one of my best friends to
signed Kevin Garnett jersey as a birthday president.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
He was blown away.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Oh it's pretty sick. Yeah, that's he's the man who
benches more. You were McCaffrey bench press.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I'm gonna take myself on that.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
I'm gonna even though he's got a little bit shorter
arm so might be easier for him, I'm still gonna
take myself.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
How about a tight end university.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Oh, I definitely don't bench the most of the tight
end university that is that is not, but we do.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
We do have some fun workouts.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
We do a little it's called arm Farm Friday, and
we just see how big our bicyps and tryceups can
get for a day.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That's always pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Do you film this stuff?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Yeah, we filmed so, Like we have classroom sessions that
we have cameras on that, you know, we can send
out to the guys afterwards so that they can revisit those.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Lessons in public. Uh clips and stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Not necessarily all the classroom stuff because I like to
keep that kind of private for the guys to learn.
All the on the field stuff though, that's recorded. We
push that out as much as we possibly can, you know,
just grills and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Can you kid Travis Kelcey about Taylor Swift?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I think Greg Olsen does that enough for everybody.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Give me a for give me for instance.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Uh well, we first off, we just call Greg Olsen
Dad twenty four to seven. That's what me and Travis
call him, because he's like you should see the way
he coaches on the field.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's like he's coaching Pop Warner football. It's fantastic. But
he likes to. He likes to give.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Everybody some crap every once in a while, whether it's
Travis in his relationship with Taylor. It's all good hearted though,
because we all love Traravis. I mean, Travis has done
so much for Titan News and so much for the
Titan position. And you know, when you're as awesome of
a guy that he is, it's kind of it's really
fun just you know, bust his balls once in a while.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I know you want to mention your sponsors there. We
do this every year, so can you.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
See them all?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I can see him.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I brought my Gatorade water, okay as well.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You got bud Light, you got dude wipes, you got yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Like Gatorade, dude wipes, old Spice, New Era. We had
all the We have a bunch of new sponsors in
which we're really excited about. You know, it's we raised
all this money. Basically, every Titan that comes in, they
pay for their flight. We take care of everything else. Hotel, transportation, food,
the concert with country musicians, a golf tournament, we take
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care of everything. We wanted to be a first class event,
and our sponsors make it possible. And the cool thing
is too After we raise all this money, everything that's
left me, Travis and Greg Olsen, we kind of divvy
it up and then we donate it through charities of
our choice, so we give back at the end. So
basically raising a bunch of money, like I always donate
my money to the Iowa Children's Hospital, some close to my heart's.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I went to college there.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Travis has his foundation, Greg has his foundation, and so
that's really the fun part about it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Too great to.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Talk to you again. Hopefully we'll talk to you during
the season. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, you know what, Dan Zory is great talking to you.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Man A's George Kettle. He's the Niners tight end.
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(10:58):
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Speaker 2 (11:04):
Let's bring in PJ. Carlissimo, ESPN NBA Studio Analysts, ESPN
Game Analyst, PJ. How are you excellent?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
DP? How are you?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I'm doing great. I'm feeling like Shay gilgis Alexander right now.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You should be feeling great, man.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Help me understand. Three minutes to go on Friday night,
and he takes over. Indiana knows he's taken over, and
you still can't stop him. Why.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
He's a really tough combination, the size, the ball handling,
he's got the middle game. I don't want to say
he's a good three point show. He's a decent three
point shore. He made the only three in the entire
fourth quarter. I kept saying that Marcuestershire during the game.
If OKC doesn't make some threes, they can't win this game,
and they didn't. But Jay made one that really mattered
(11:53):
down the stretch. He wants the ball. He's herky, jerky.
He just he's like he reminds me a little a
pac Man years ago. Like he doesn't straight line anything.
He goes over, sideways around the guy. He gets in
front of a player, he stops, he initiates contact. He's
got that forearm out a lot. You know, the other
team is always gonna cry, hey, he created the contact,
(12:16):
his defender didn't. He just he can get basically wherever
he wants to get. It's usually the mid range jumper,
and then not always in late game situations. He's a
really good passer. He sees the rest of the floor.
So the rest of the game, he'll involve his team.
And I'm not saying he won't pass it at the end,
but if it's a big enough shot, he knows he's
(12:38):
supposed to take it.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
What went wrong with the Pacers?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Rick Carlisle used the word stat which was interesting because
obviously lead by seven points after three quarters, and not
that there's always a correlation, but in the first three
games they own the fourth quarter. They were the best
fourth quarter team in the first three games of the playoff.
So you're sitting there between the third and fourth quarter
and thinking, boy, Indiana is in really good shape. I
(13:06):
thought one thing happened that kind of got lost in
the shuffle. On the OKC side. Cheded Holmgren and Alex
Caruso scored the first nine points, like it went from
eighty seven to eighty to eighty nine, eighty nine, and
it was all Alex Caruso and Cheded Holmgren. Chet had six,
Ac had three, and boom, like right away, this big advantage.
(13:28):
It was gone. So now we're starting all over. It's
an even game. Rick thought they got sped up a
little bit. They weren't popping the ball around as much.
It was sticking. They obviously weren't making threes, which early
on had been their bread and butter in that game,
so it kind of got away from them. I don't
want to say they lost their composure, but they certainly
(13:49):
didn't play with the confidence and with the purpose on
the offensive end. Especially the other thing I mean with
all it was said Ben Matheren, who's their best free
throw shoot, missed a pair that would have still made
it a one point game with like twenty four seconds
to go. So the series has been much more competitive
(14:09):
and much closer than I thought it was going to
be starting out.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Other topics help me understand the Desmond Vane trade from
both sides here.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Well, I can understand it from the Orlando side in
terms of a quality player. They really struggle at times offensively.
Jamal Mosley's done a really good job there. It's hard
a little bit to evaluate him this year because you
had so many injuries. Polo had a great year, Wagner
was out a lot, both Wagner, So the team is
(14:39):
closer than a lot of people realize. Orlando's kind of
poised to make a run in the Eastern Conference, particularly
with who knows what's going to happen with the Celtics.
I don't think the coaching is necessarily the absolute key.
You know, I'm biased about that, but I think the
Knicks are going to be okay regardless of what they do.
I don't think they're going to be as good as
they were coaching, but I think it's a good time
(15:02):
to make a move in the East. So I can
understand what Orlando's thinking. But boy, they gave up a lot.
They really gave up a lot much Casep. The jury's
out on I loved him in Denver, liked him in LA.
He had a really tough year. Is he too old?
Is he on the downside? I don't know. I still
(15:22):
think there's something there. Greg anthony Son's a very good
player and a slew of draft picks, so I thought
they gave up a lot, But they got They got
a really special player back. Desmond Baine is a big
time shooter. He's a strong, physical guard. He's a very
willing defender. He's a good defender. So I think they
(15:42):
got a heck of a player that can really help
them advance in the East. But boy, they gave up
a ton.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
PJ Carlissimo, former NBA coach an analyst for the Mothership.
He'll be covering the NBA finals. You mentioned the Knicks.
What are the Knicks doing?
Speaker 4 (15:58):
They don't know, Deve Peter's no way we know they
have no idea themselves what they're doing. So I just
don't understand it that I conventional logic, which doesn't really
concern me, is you don't fire a guy who says
talented a coach is tips. You can say whatever you
want about managing the bench. And you know they didn't
get as far as you look at what they've done
in the last twenty five years and his four years
(16:19):
of putting them in the playoffs, they get to the
Eastern Conference finals. He's a proven winner. He was a
big factor back in eight. Doctor be the first to
tell you that when the Celtics won there. He's really
a special coach. You're rid of a coach and it
doesn't seem like they had a plan. The Knicks, you know,
are still one of the three or four, you know,
(16:40):
pre eminent franchises in the league. You think people you
don't want to coach there despite and I don't think
it's always necessarily leon. You know, you just don't know
with the ownership how much there's interference there. I don't
know who made this decision. It's easy for them to
make it look like, well, the players weren't happy playing
for TIBs. Got a couple of guys that have had
(17:01):
the best year they've ever had in the NBA. So
I don't think they're really thinking, I don't like playing
for this guy. You know, it's been good for me
and the team's been winning where they're going now. I
don't know the calling other teams to talk to their
coaches that are there and very good coaches. Okay, good,
they picked good teams to call those guys that are
(17:22):
very good coaches. Why would you ever give permission for
the Knicks to talk to the guy? I mean, I
don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Any chance, any chance Rick Brunson takes over as the
head coach of the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I would have thought, yes, everybody's telling me no. And
who everybody is. I don't know people around the Knicks,
the broadcasters, assistant coaches, a couple of players I talked to,
they all think no. That that to me was kind
of from the beginning. Rick Brunson's capable of being a
coach in the NBA. He obviously Tips valued his account,
(18:00):
so you know he was a major factor for them.
I would have thought it just doesn't seem to be
mentioned at all. Whether it becomes a fallback, I don't know.
Doesn't seem like it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Kevin Durant's value now is what.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I think, still very very good. He's still is going
to get you thirty or close to it. He's still
We talked about how special Shay is. Kevin in his prime,
and he's not far from his prime, was the best
end of a game player you would ever want. He
was so big, he was so good with the ball.
He shot threes, shoots threes even.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Better better than Lebron closing time or step closing.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I think, yes, you know I want him because Lebron
always as great as Lebron is. He was never a
great free throw shoot. He's become He's much better than
he was. Kad was the whole package. He was going
to shoot ninety percent free throws. He was too big,
he could shoot over everybody. He had a good handle
for a guy that big, and he could score outside
(19:00):
or inside. And if you followed him, he was automatic.
So he was a tremendous end of game player. Not
that he wasn't good the other forty seven minutes, but
he was money at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
What's the best performance you ever witnessed, whether you're coaching
against or coaching for, But who put up the best
performance ever?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Well, I want to say Tim Duncan, but I'm trying
to think of an individual one the five years I
was lucky enough to be an assistant in San Antonio,
there were so many times that he got us through
to the end. But he wasn't you know, he wasn't
one of those guys that normally put up like forty
and did like twenty two points in a row. That's
(19:44):
a heck of a question. I'm tempted to say somebody
like Kevin, but I'm getting senile, So I can't really
come up with an opponent or a game where I
just like sat there and said, I can't believe what
this guy's doing. Just scored, you know, like kind of
what Shade did the other night, what it was at
fifteen in the last sixteen. But not taking anything away,
(20:04):
he's he is the MVP. He's great. Jolkic is another one.
DP I don't I would. I know, we don't want
to get into the Jokic Shay debate right now, but
Jokic did that a number of times. The way he
impacted a game, I mean in so many different ways,
with the passing, with the scoring himself, with getting in
the free throw line, the way he understands the game.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
What about witness anything with Jordan?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Oh, I mean that was like automatic, but it was
like you were so immune to it. You're just like
when he did it, you go, yeah, of course. It
was kind of like when they when they ran out
of time, whether yesterday they put Tiger on and it
was like a nice watching I had forgotten that last
butt rolled around a little bit. But Rocco wasn't being
(20:50):
smagger game. He went like, yeah, of course he made
the butt. That's what Tiger does. That was the way
it was mj Like whatever he did, you just go okay,
you know if that's what Michael Jordan did, which made
it kind of special that you actually expected it and
you just kind of shrug your shoulders and go, yeah,
that was Michael Jordan. It's funny talking to a lot
of the younger players now, in a sense, they certainly
(21:12):
don't remember them, but they haven't even seen him that much. Honestly,
they don't appreciate exactly what he did on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
What was more physical the NBA in the eighties or
the Big East in the eighties.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I think in the eighties it was actually the Big
East because nothing was called. It was great, it was expected.
This series, talking about physical, you got two teams that
prefer to pick up folk court. Anytime there's a dead ball,
they'll both pick up ninety four feet. They have a
lot of physical defenders. That's the way they defend. It's
really hard to officiate this series because there's contact and
(21:50):
there's guys laying on each other virtually every play. And
when you go to the lane, it's very rare when
somebody gets all the way to the basket with like
without home Grin or Miles Turner or a couple of
these really good long athletes just challenging every shot. I
really think the defense in this series is excellent.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, but they're not fighting like you guys did in
the eighties.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Ill that was just I mean, it was just I
don't know whether Dave had him to Dave Gavin had
a meeting with the officials or what. But it was
like the funny part was it was expected though, Like
you didn't even look like a guy would go through
get knocked down. He'd be up, he'd be bleeding. Nobody
would say a word. It was like, okay, now they
follow us. That's the way it was. You know what
it was like on the playground DP when you were
(22:35):
young and it was a game to eleven and it
got to be ten ten, Well you had to like
make a jump shot or something like that because if
you an inside, guys just punched you, knocked you down.
That was the way the Big East was. Oh, he
was most of the possessions in the game.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Great to talk to you. Save that voice for tonight. Sorry, well, brother,
thank you DP.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Good seeing you.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Great to see you, PJ, PJ. Carlossimo. He'll be on
the call tonight.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
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Speaker 2 (23:10):
I have to get to Steve San's of Golf Channel.
Very popular play by play announcer, host and interviewer Steve
how are you Shooter?
Speaker 5 (23:21):
McGavin was at the players this year, Dan, and I
was on a stage with him and got to meet
him and then hang out with him for a little while,
and I was like, man, this is a man. Shooter
McGavin's like an incredible character in sports movie lore, and
it was pretty wild. But let me get back to
the Adam Sandler thing. One love when you name drop.
I think that's very cool. And Two, how in the
(23:43):
world can you walk block after block in New York
City and only have one person ask for your autograph?
You came to dinner with me about a month ago
in winter Park and we couldn't take a bite without
everyone in the restaurant running by and calling, Oh my god,
that's Keith Orperman. But I'm sorry, Dan, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Good to have you back on, Steve.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
It's great that you're with you, Dan. How are you doing, buddy?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The best golf movie of all time.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Is oh, Caddy Shack.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's not even close.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Come on, really, come on, I mean Caddy Shack. You can.
I mean, I love Adam Sandler and I love all
things golf genre with Adam Sandler. I mean, come on now,
I mean Caddy Shack. Is there something better than caddy shack.
Are you gonna give me Kevin cost and that whole thing?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Okay? If I take caddy Shack off the board?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Man, you know, I haven't seen the second version, but
the first version with Adam Sandler, I mean that made
me laugh out loud. I mean, golf usually doesn't make
you laugh out loud. Yeah, I gotta see. I gotta
see the second version though. Are you saying it's good?
Were you in the movie by the way, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Wow, of course.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
I mean, I'll tell you what, man, you you're a
big time man, I.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Know, but I always find time for you, is that right?
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Yes, you come to the Orlando area like once a month,
that I hear from you once a year. Is that
always making time for me?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yes, because I got to meet up with rich Lerner
uh Faldo. Like there's a lot of a lot of Yeah, a.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Lot of the best, the best. The best part about
you living in that circle of people is that Lerner
now lives in Connecticut and Foudo lives in Montana. And
you're saying that you have to see them both when
you're in Orlando. Yes, that's my favorite part.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
No, No, I drive their old houses.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yeah, that's nice. That's nice of you.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Okay. I love what rich Lerner said last night. He
said that JJ spawn he beat the best and he
beat the beast. Yeah, he did in in that order.
Did he beat the best or did he beat the beast?
Speaker 5 (25:57):
I think he beat the beasts first. I think certain
may your championship venues. Aside from Augusta National, which hosts
the Masters every year, there's certain US Open and PGA
Championship and Open Championship venues that just mean more. They
just do you do it Open at Saint Andrew's and
it means more than most of the other venues. And
I think Oakmont is one of those places. Dan, when
(26:19):
you win at Oakmont, you have conquered Oakmont more than
you've conquered the other one hundred and fifty five guys
who were in the field. I agree with rich but
I would go beast before the field.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
How many golf courses in the world do we tune
in to see the golf course and then you tune
in to see how the players play the golf course.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Augusta National for the Masters every year. I've never been anywhere,
you know. I've said this to people all the time.
You can go to Churchill Downs on the first Saturday
in May. You're going to turn around and watch the derby.
At some point you're gonna go to Wrigley or Fenway
or whatever your cathedrals are, fog Allen. At some point,
whatever your cathedrals are. In sports, you're gonna be watching
(27:03):
the sporting event you can walk in. We talked about
this before, Dan. You can go to Augusta, get a
badge for a day, walk around, eat those horrible Prometo
cheese sandwiches, buy yourself two thousand dollars worth of merchandise
because you think you're never going to go back there again,
and you have to buy something for every human being
you've ever met in your life, whether you love them
or not. Have a beer, walk the eighteen holes, see
(27:25):
the place you're so familiar with, not see a single
golf shot, and walk away, go home and go that's
the best day of my life. And you never saw
a shot. The course at Augusta National matters. Pebble Beach,
I think is in that category. We see that regularly.
But you can just walk around Pebble and enjoy the
beauty and again Saint Andrew's the familiarity of it, the
(27:46):
history of it. But I think it's those three if
you're gonna do a US Open. I think next year's
venue might be the best golf course in America shinnecock
Out on the tip of Long Island. But Oakmont is
one of those places that's hosts the most. And but
it's also it's just so famous for being hard. It's
just so hard. It's fun for US hacks to watch
(28:07):
the best players in the world try to get it
around there.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
He Steve Sands, NBC sports play by play announcer, host
interviewer working for the Golf Channel as well. When you
start to look at what how this played out, you
didn't have big names at the top of the leaderboard
right why.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
You know, somebody told me a couple of days ago.
I found it interesting. PGA Tour events, week in week
out are not set up as difficult as this. So
if you're a little bit off your game and you're
still the best player in the world, you can get
it out of the rough, you can get it up
and in around the greens. You can't do that at
the US Open. So if the best players in the
world are just a little bit off at a regular
(28:46):
tour event, they still end up on a leaderboard, whereas
in a US Open, especially a US Open at Oakmont,
if you're a little off the target, like Scheffler was,
like Rory was, like Awfully was, like Ludvig Oldberg was.
You know, if your top four or five players in
the world just a hair off of a US Open,
(29:07):
you're gonna get punished. And those guys got punished last week.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Why isn't Rory meeting with the media when he has
a bad round?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
You know what's sad?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Dan?
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I forget the night we had dinner. I'm being all
kidding aside. We had dinner one night and we were
talking about this at dinner, and it's still going on.
I think he's really bothered by what happened at the
PGA Championship when the USGA and the PGA of America
basically threw him under the bus and leaked out that
his driver had to get taken away. So did Scotti,
(29:38):
Scheffler's by the way, Dan, and he went on to win,
but his name wasn't leaked out.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Rory's was.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
He had just won the career Grand Slam. You know,
I think that I think there's a motivation factor going
on right now that he's trying to find that gear again.
His whole life was geared towards doing something. Now that
he's done it, he's naturally kind of taking his foot
off the gas a little bit. I think he's upset
that his name was leaked out. He didn't like the
way the media handled that. The media actually went forward
(30:06):
with that, as opposed to perhaps going to him off
the record and say, hey, I just found this out.
What would you like me to do with it because
I have to go report it that kind of thing.
And I also think he's not playing very well Dan,
and I don't think he likes talking about that too often.
But I got to tell you, as much as I
love Rory, I think you have to be professional and
you have to speak when you win and when you lose.
(30:28):
Jack Nicholas was the greatest champion in the sport, Dan,
he was also the greatest loser in the sport, and
I think he needs to man up and speak to
the media because you don't want them directing the narrative.
You should direct the narrative. And I think he's making
a mistake and I hope he gets back and starts
to do what he normally does because, by the way, Dan,
he's so great with the media, he needs to do it.
(30:50):
It's not professional.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Because Jack won eighteen majors. I think he finished runner
up nineteen times.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Yes, nineteen times. And by the way, Rory is such
a good guy, and he's so smart and insightful, and
he's fabulous with the writers. He's fabulous on podcasts, he's
fabulous on fabulous on shows like yours and on TV
with us. You know, I hope he gets back to
doing it regularly because he's so good at it. But
right now he's in a little bit of a funk
(31:16):
with the media and he's not giving the media what.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It wants to.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
By the way, Dan, one last thing on that he
doesn't owe the media. You and I talked about this.
No athlete owes the media anything. They're right when they
say that. They shouldn't say that out loud, but they
don't owe the media anything. They do owe their fans
and their sponsors everything. The media just happens to be
the conduit between the athlete and the audience, whether it's
(31:41):
sponsors or whether it's fans. And I think that players
need to get out of the realm of thinking we
owe the media something, we owe the fans that sponsors something.
The media is just the outlet between the two parties.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Didn't Rory make you cry?
Speaker 5 (31:56):
He did make me cry at royal Port Rush in
twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
My mother.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I'll tell you quick story. My mother had just passed away.
And you know, you hear from a lot of people.
You hear from a lot of family and friends. Clearly
you know when your parents passed away or someone close
he passes away. This case, it was my mom. We
go to Northern Ireland and I had never heard from Rory.
I hadn't seen Rory since my mother had passed away.
It had been about three weeks and he missed the
cut at Royal Port Rush in his home country, which
(32:25):
had all the pressure on his shoulders and his back
going into that week, and right before we were about
to do the interview on Friday, after missing the cut,
after all that emotion from him, he literally looks at
Tommy Roy's in my year going okay. Thirty seconds out
said great, and Rory looks at me and goes, hey,
I didn't want to text you and I hadn't seen
(32:46):
you puts his hand on my arm and says, I'm
so sorry to hear about your mom. I wanted to
make sure I told you that in person, and E yikes,
Dand I mean we were out on the air, but
I was like, whoa. I backed away from the camera,
hit the talk back button and said to Tommy. I
said to Tommy Roy, you're gonna need a minute. He goes, no,
we gotta get so, we gotta get to you. And
(33:07):
I go, I'm gonna need a minute. And I looked
at Rory Way, you gotta be kidding me, and it was, Uh,
it was a very very nice moment. Gives you a
little bit of insight as to what type of human
being he is, which is why we all want to
hear from him whether he wins or loses. But yeah,
that was a It was a very very nice thing.
He definitely got me, and not many people get me,
but he got me hard there.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Great to talk to you again, Dan, You're the best man.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Thank you. Steve Sands
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