June 18, 2025 • 39 mins
DP reacts to the Florida Panthers winning the Stanley Cup. Are they beginning to enter the "dynasty" conversation? NHL analyst Steve Levy isn't quite ready for that conversation yet and weighs in on a potential Connor McDavid future outside of Edmonton. And former NBA player Iman Shumpert compares Shai Gilgeous-Alexander to Kobe Bryant and shares why he has Michael Jordan over LeBron despite winning a ring with LeBron.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Panthers dominated the Oilers, and it felt like it was
a little closer than what it was because you had
a couple of overtime games. It started out like, this
could be great, this will be epic. You're going to
get the best player in this sport, maybe the second
or third best player in the sport going against the Panthers,
a great team, and it never materialized. And now we
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get back to back Cups, and of course now we
have to talk about what is a dynasty, which we'll
talk about here in a moment, and it might vary
from sport to sport. What is a dynasty? If you're
the Patriots, in your dynasty it was kind of spread out,
but it was dynastic. And then you look at the
Golden State Warriors a little bit spread out. It used
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to be your dynasty was you win three in a row,
four in a row. Go back to the Celtics in
the sixties. They were winning every single year. But the dynasty,
I think the maybe the sport has different definitions. So
we'll explore that coming up. All right, poll question for
the first down of the program is going to be
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what Stephen.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, I think we could kick around the dynasty topic
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I would probably define a dynasty as, say, three titles
in somewhere between five to ten years. It doesn't have
to be three in a row, all right, but if
you're able to get three within that stretch, I can't
be longer than ten years. I think that that would
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qualify you as sustained period of excellence.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Okay, I don't think this team was ever mentioned as
having a dynasty. This team won three titles in five years.
The San Francisco Giants every other year won titles.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's a dynasty, is it or is it just a run?
Speaker 5 (01:59):
I don't know, a good run or is it a dynasty?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But then if you don't make the playoffs I don't
think they made the playoffs in the other years. Can
you be a dynasty if you win, don't make the playoffs, win,
don't make the playoffs win, Yes, pulling.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
That's exactly right, that's the team.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I was going to bring up.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
Twenty ten World Series, miss a playoffs, twelve World Series,
miss the playoffs, fourteen worlds. That feels dynasty ish, though
ish three or five, like Seaton said, that's.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Ish, how that's feel super dynasty.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But I don't think anybody gave them credit as having
the Giants got a dynasty. It was they're really good
in even number of years, and then they didn't make
the playoffs. I think you got to make the playoffs.
I think you got to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
The years that you don't, I don't know, we're groaning,
we're groaning, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I'm I'm a purest and you know I'm old school.
I'm a snob when it comes to my dynasties here, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 8 (02:58):
And I think those Giants teams had three different lineups,
so it wasn't like the same group of guys won those.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
World Series t same manager though, hall of Famer yeah,
Chris Bochi yes uh. And they had Buster Posey okay,
and Madison Bumgardner. Other than that, Tim Litz. Tim was
he there for all of those I got to check
all very good, you know, I don't think so, Yes, Tom, to.
Speaker 9 (03:24):
Me, the word dynasty has got to have a very
high bar to it besides just you know, making the playoffs.
And I think you've got to win three in a row,
and you got to get there three in five years.
I wouldn't go much past five years. I think you've
got to win three and four. I'll wink at the
winning three and five years to use the word dynasty.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
San Francisco Giants. Did they have a dynasty in your opinion?
Speaker 6 (03:46):
I'm gonna say it doesn't feel dynasty. You just said
three years, because it's baseball.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You just said three and five years.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
I reluctantly for the Giants.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
So it's one of those things he got even mine.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, this is this is why I like, we've been
talking about this whole morning long.
Speaker 10 (04:08):
I understand.
Speaker 9 (04:09):
But it's also like the Hall of Fame when you
hear it. But sometimes that's part of it too.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
You just spend three in five years, right, But that's not.
Speaker 9 (04:16):
A strict definition for me. This is what I'm thinking.
It should be something in the neighborhood of winning three
out of four years. But sometimes the last piece of
the puzzle is does that ring?
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Does that ring true to you when you hear that
team or that.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Just contradicted yourself a little bit? Yeah know a lot,
Yes it fit. I don't know anything about hockey. But
if you just look back sort of over the last
say ten years. It looks like on paper and if
you're a hockey fan, don't hold me to this. Okay,
I understand I might be wrong. It feels like they've
slowly been building over the last say like ten years,
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from a team that sort of struggled into something great
into a powerhouse that they are now. Those feel all
like dynasty building type mo Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Tampa Bay Lightning did they have a dynasty? The Tampa
Bay Lightning? Did they have a dynasty? Because if Florida
has one, then Tampa Bay had one. I think the
state of Florida has a dynasty going on when it
comes to hockey. But yeah, once again, it's tricky with
the definition of that, and we do get caught up
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on is that.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
A dynasty or not a dynasty?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
You know, you'll know it if I If I hear it,
then I'm going to react to it. Yes or no,
it's a dynasty, Okay. I think dynasties come in all
shapes and sizes. Yes, Marvin for.
Speaker 8 (05:38):
Fritzi, would you consider the eighty Celtics a dynasty? They
won titles in eighty one, eighty four, and eighty six.
I think I would, well, wait, a minute.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
What's the difference and for some reason San Francisco giants
me just to hear it.
Speaker 9 (05:54):
Then Celtics, Yes, it's a total bias in the East
called whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
But I'm like giants now.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Say, because it's not the eighties when you would know
everybody's name and the start.
Speaker 9 (06:05):
If you want to talk about you know, Sidney Wicks
and Jojo White and have the chick and Cowans.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
And everything, I'm all in.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
Okay, Yeah, yes, the Celtics can't be because they shared
titles during that run and that would get rid of it.
The Lightning won two Stanley Cups in a row. They
could have won three, which would have cemented them as dynasty.
They lost it. Here's a couple of dynasties, the New
England Patriots, starting at one, they won three out of
four Super Bowls, which enters you into dynasty category. They
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went nine years without winning a Super Bowl, but they
were always in the AFC title gum almost always in it.
Then they won three in five years, so they had
both two dynasties and a run in between it. How
about this one, this is pure dynasty. Golden State Warriors,
they starting in twenty fourteen, they were in five straight
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NBA finals and won three of them. That means a
sport ran through them for five years.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
To say, Okay, was Lebron James a dynasty?
Speaker 10 (07:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
No, he went to the NBA finals? How many years?
With nine and ten years?
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Something? Crazy?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You went eighth street eight straight NBA finals? Like that's
an individual dynasty, isn't it? No matter where he went,
his team went.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
To the NBA finals.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So I don't like, can you have a singular dynasty,
you know, not in a sport like uh, you know,
tennis or golf, But I'm talking about Lebron doing that
eight consecutive years.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Yes, Tom, you could.
Speaker 9 (07:39):
Be an all time great. I don't think it could
be a person dynasty. I think dynasty to me is
a group or a team.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Make a dynasty.
Speaker 9 (07:45):
You could have a dynastic career, but you can't be
a dynasty.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
To me, that doesn't seem like.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, but I don't even know what it means to
you anymore since you screwed up the San Francisco Giants.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Okay, but I don't think you can.
Speaker 9 (07:56):
Call a person a dynasty like a great fighter who
went four with thirty three knockers.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
He's a dynasty.
Speaker 9 (08:02):
Just sounds strange language wise to call an individual a dynasty.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Was Tiger Woods a dynasty?
Speaker 9 (08:08):
He's an all time great. I wouldn't call any person
a dynasty. I don't care how amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Okay, but we're talking about sustained winning and the common
uh ground or you know, common denominator was Lebron James
and all of that.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Yes, point, I.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
Agree with you on this one. I think you've kind
of stumbled upon an individual dynasty and it's a new
thing because the sport ran through Lebron James for a decade.
Wherever he was, that's where the final was Tiger Woods
for ten to twelve years. The sport ran through him,
and so it is a different type of diyaste. But
you're right.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean to say the same thing about the Patriots.
We could split it into two if you just want
to do you know, wins, but they they you know,
even when they were down, they still that first dynasty
air quotes is five super Bowl appearances in ten years.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
I have no problem calling them a dynasty.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Maybe they've been a dynasty at two separate times book ended, Yeah,
I have no problem with that. It's that run of
whatever that was ten years where they didn't win a
super Bowl, but they still were in the conversation for
a super Bowl, like getting to the Stanley Cup Final
or getting to the NBA Finals or getting to the
super Bowl. Like, can you include that in a dynasty
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that if you don't win but you still get to
the championship? Does that factor in? Does it factor in
what you do in the years that you don't win
the championship? Should it factor in that the Giants didn't
even make the playoffs? I think it should.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
Yeah, Marvin, what about the eighties forty nine ers? So
they won a title in eighty one, then their last
title was in eighty nine.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
I don't think it's a dynasty.
Speaker 8 (09:51):
You don't think so four titles in what nine years?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
It feels pretty dynasty issue.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
But then you also had other really good teams back
then you had the Giants, But that's that's what the Boys.
But they were also kind of on the cusp of
you know, dynastic as well.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
But I think that's what makes their run even better
because you got to look at those teams that they
had to fight against to win those four super Bowls
eighty six Giants, eighty seven Redskins. The Vikings were really
good during that time. The Bears, Oh, sorry about that.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
I heard of them almost like.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
The eighties Lake that where the Bears, the eighty five Bears.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
A dynasty, A onesie, A onesie, maybe the greatest one
off of all time. We're going to dine out on
this for decades.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yes, Seaton, the NFL might be the toughest sport to
have a dynasty, okay, because you have. I know all
sports focus on parody, but they seem NFL seems to
take it most serious.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Salary cap. Do you have short careers.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
In the NFL, which I think impacts a dynasty because
if you have a lot of turnover. One of the
things about a dynasty to me is a consistent group
of players. Maybe, but in the NFL you have so
much turnover it's tough to say year to year this
is the same team.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Maybe we should have started with the Webster Dictionary definition
of dynasty.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
Yes, conveniently, I have that up on my screen. A
series of rulers or leaders who are all from the
same family, or a period when a country is ruled
by a series of rulers or leaders Okay, so it
comes from you know, that kind of thing we've co
opted in sports, like Mount Rushmore used to be a
place you'd visit in South Dakota.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Now it's sports radio foder.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yes, hey, you know the flip side of that too.
I would say probably the easiest sport to have a
dynasty would be college football. Yes, you get the right
coach and a good run of players, you could win.
You could rattle off three out of four, you know,
five whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And it used to be that those players were locked
in for at least three years, if not four years,
you know, when there was no transfer portal. Now it's
a little bit tougher now to you know, you're reloading
every single year. Yes, Tom, is there a name or should.
Speaker 9 (12:11):
There be a name for the anti dynasty? Like the
Bills losing four straight Super Bowls? The Broncos losing three
out of four. You got so far and you accomplished
so much in a short window, but you just didn't
win the championship.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Should there be a term for that? Or you're just
a loser. You got all the way to the end
only to not to make it all the way?
Speaker 5 (12:28):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (12:30):
I think we probably.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Don't need a word or a termte do you have
a word?
Speaker 11 (12:33):
You don't, but.
Speaker 9 (12:33):
I'd like to think of what Well, there are a
lot of teams that come close over a short period
of time and they just come up.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Maybe me come up with the name, and then, you know,
then we could kind of complete the whole thought there.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Yeah, it kind of went to horse before the cart thing.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yes, what did you send me here? Definition of a dynasty?
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Yeah, I was looking at dynasty to see you know,
you were talking about it.
Speaker 9 (12:51):
You can call an athlete the dynasty, but to me
that sounds odd and just AI take it for what
it's worth, defines it as an athlete can be considered
a dynasty. In sports, a dynasty we refer to a
team or individual, as you said, that dominates their sport
for an extended period, achieving sustained success and multiple championships.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
So we're good.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
No, no, we're good.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
So you may have something there, Thank you, Tom.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Steve Leevey's going to join us, join us from Sunrise, Florida.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
What about a dynasty thirty years covering hockey?
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Is that a dynasty?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Maybe?
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Yeah, I'll give him a dynasty.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
It feels like your four cents.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
It's a broadcasting dynasty. Thirty years in a row covering
the Stanley Cup Final. Steve believes a dynasty. It's the
only individual I would give that to.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Chris Merman a dynasty, Bob Constance a dynasty, and Dan Patrick. No,
I didn't include myself. You're just trying to suck up.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
I'm considered a gong is coming any time.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I almost gonged you for your giants. I almost. But
I'm trying not to go to the world too often.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yes, those those teams Todd was just referring to called
bridesmaid Yes, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
Yeah, yes, pulling or krynasty because they're crying.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I'm not going to give you a bloop on that one, right, No,
I'm not going to. That doesn't help, Like I retract it.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
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been there covering the Stanley Cup Final for over thirty years.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
He is a dynasty.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
He's done it for thirty According to Fritzy Steve Levy
is a dynasty. You have covered the Stanley Cup Final
every year since nineteen ninety four. Congratulations, Steve DP, thank you.
Speaker 10 (14:52):
It's quite an honored I appreciate.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Okay, the Panthers already a dynasty.
Speaker 10 (14:59):
You know, I mean the definition is crazy.
Speaker 12 (15:01):
Uh just winning two in a row is not dynasty
level for me, Dan, I know, it's three consecutive trips.
Speaker 10 (15:09):
I think you have to get to four in hockey.
Speaker 12 (15:11):
I think the Islanders, I think the Oilers of the eighties,
the Canadians. I really think like four is a magic
number for the dynasty. And now that was not salary
cap era, so I get that. But it is remarkable.
And they're doing it in South Florida two, which is
something even more special.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
But I wonder I got even more.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I wonder about that with the state of Florida, with
Tampa Bay and Florida, the trickle down effect on the
youth programs there.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
It's one thing to be, Hey, weren't anomaly.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
We're a great hockey team in the sun you know,
in the Sunshine State, you know, Tampa Bay.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
But is this how much of an effect is this.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Having on younger players playing this sport the way they
do in Canada.
Speaker 10 (15:57):
Absolutely it's a factor.
Speaker 12 (15:58):
They're they're building rinks left and right, and the fan
bases are have really become tremendous. You know, it's not
that long ago the Panthers DAN and they were tarping
the top of the arena and and now it's that's
one of the bigger rinks I think in the NHL,
probably close to twenty thousand.
Speaker 10 (16:16):
And that place is full and they're in it.
Speaker 12 (16:18):
And you know, where the Panthers play is not exactly
a metropolitan area out in Sunrise.
Speaker 10 (16:24):
There's not a lot going on out there, but the
organization is very well run.
Speaker 11 (16:29):
DAN.
Speaker 12 (16:29):
They've built they built their practice facility in the Los
Olas area, which is a hot spot. Now I know
the guys will live in the area and they take
golf carts to practice. I mean, there are a lot
of attractive reasons to want to be a Florida Panther
and attract free agency. The tax issue is certainly a benefit,
but I think that's going to help keep some guys
around too. They win, They treat the players right, really
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first class ownership in both Tampa and and for the
Florida Panthers.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
It felt like we were going to get a tight
seven game series, it was gonna be dramatic, and then
all of a sudden, something changed and you saw total domination.
What was that one change?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Dan?
Speaker 12 (17:09):
This was the sweepiest, if you will, the sweepiest six
game series in history, you know, like I mean, this
should have been a four game sweep, and watching each
individual game, it felt like a total sweep. And it's
really easy to criticize Edmonton, but you can't lose sight
of just how great Florida was. They made the Panthers
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made Connor McDavid and Leon Dryside of look pedestrian. They
looked like two players who were individually great. But if
you removed them, and I was telling this to people,
if you took McDavid and Drysidle the way the remaining
ten forwards for the Oilers, I'm not sure I would
have taken one of them over any of the Florida
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Panther forwards.
Speaker 10 (17:53):
I mean the team, the Florida Panthers team was dominant.
Speaker 12 (17:57):
The Oilers still probably have the two best players on
the ice, but the Panthers as a team, and certainly
in goal, that was a big difference. The other thing
that jumps out Dan is the dominance in the first period,
and I can't explain it. The last four games of
the period of the series, Florida outscored Edmondson nine to nothing.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
The Oilers gave up at least two goals and they.
Speaker 12 (18:22):
Couldn't get out of the first period scoreless or even
tied at one.
Speaker 10 (18:25):
It was bizarre.
Speaker 12 (18:26):
And the amazing one was the three up in game
that Edmondon actually came back and won that they had
no business and that's a miracle comeback.
Speaker 10 (18:35):
That's all time, that's going back to nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 12 (18:38):
And really that gets forgotten now because the Oilers lost
that series.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Okay, if you were running the Edmonton Oilers, you got
a big decision with Connor McDavid. Maybe he has a
big decision. I think he's got one year left. He's
what twenty eight years of age, widely recognized is the
greatest player in hockey, most talented we've maybe ever seen,
and he doesn't have anything to show for it. Is
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it gonna be him wanting to leave or the Oilers
wanting to regroup and try to make this a full team.
Speaker 10 (19:12):
No, they would never let him leave.
Speaker 12 (19:14):
I mean the franchise is on the map really right
now because of Connor McDavid. I I couldn't even imagine
that franchise. If he left, that will be his decision,
and then you play that game, right if the Oilers
the games they.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Did this in the eighties, they did this once before
with it, but they.
Speaker 12 (19:31):
Had a lot more depth. I mean, obviously it was Gretzky,
but they had a lot more depth. They got probably
seven or eight Hall of Famers from that team. And
right now it's you know, it's Dr Suttle, you know,
and and conom mc.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
But is he gonna want to go Steve? They they're
gonna want to keep him. Yeah, But does he say
I've gone as far as I can go?
Speaker 10 (19:51):
I mean, that's the question.
Speaker 12 (19:52):
He's changed the agents recently, Dan, I don't know what
that means, but that's probably a factor in all of this.
Speaker 10 (19:57):
I think he's a loyal guy. He's made Edmondson his home.
I think he loves it there with his family.
Speaker 12 (20:03):
You know, I don't know that, And we're gonna find
out soon, Like we could have this answer in two weeks.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
And that's the issue.
Speaker 12 (20:08):
If the Boilers feel like, hey, we're not going to
be able to sign this guy. No matter how many
how much money we throw at him. They can't let
him walk to free agency. You can't get nothing in
return for the guy. So that's the issue. But they've
got a lot of holes. Dan, they don't have enough
dogs in the fight. They need a real number one goaltender.
I mean that was one of the areas Florida classed
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him in.
Speaker 10 (20:30):
And listen, I.
Speaker 12 (20:32):
Didn't think Edmondon was gonna win any of the four rounds,
and really any of the first three.
Speaker 10 (20:36):
I had him.
Speaker 12 (20:37):
I had him losing all three first round of their
first rounds, and then I finally.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Went over and picked him in the final in seven.
I looked like a total lady.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
As usual grade this season for the NHL.
Speaker 12 (20:51):
Off the charts great and I don't care about the
television ratings. The finals wasn't our year with the final,
that's how this works. But off the charts, four nations
out of control, great, Alex Ovechkin unbelievable, Even the trade
deadline was great. Miko Ranton in a real superstar gets
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moved twice during the regular season.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
That never happens.
Speaker 12 (21:17):
And really, the playoffs were terrific, and we're gonna have
an off season. You know, it's never gonna be the
NFL off season, but the NHL off season with major
names out there, Mitch Marner in Toronto and a ton
of movement and coaches going in and out. It's the
NHL has really evolved and elevated itself, I think.
Speaker 10 (21:39):
And it's fascinating to watch what's going on now.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Your first year covering the Stanley Cup Final, the Rangers
win the Cup?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Were you at the after party that I was at
when the cup was there? And I don't, Oh, okay.
Speaker 10 (21:58):
You don't remember that.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
You don't remember.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I don't remember seeing you. I did ask MESSI, I
said what's in the cup? And he gave me some
choice words like you don't ask what liquid is in
the cup?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
You just drink from the cup?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
You did?
Speaker 12 (22:12):
And I drank from it too, buddy. I dragged from
it that night. Somebody's got a picture. I can't seem
to find it. I drank from it in the dressing room,
which is highly unprofessional, also being the journalists that we are.
But it was a special all time night, and you know,
I grew up a lifelong Ranger fan. I never got
to see them actually skate the cup around the garden
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because back in those days, as a rights holder, you
had to be positioned in the dressing room. Yeah, five
minutes left on a clock. So all those years I
never got to see skin up, but I did drink
out of the cup that night. I guess I would
ask Dan, do you remember seeing anybody that night at
the party.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Or mess your mess chilling? The hardest party winning team
ever was who.
Speaker 10 (23:00):
Capitals gave it a run?
Speaker 12 (23:03):
Oh boy, I'm not sure anyone enjoyed that stilly cup
more than Alex Ovechkin. Washington had a really good time
and listen to cup right now for everything I can
tell this inside the elbow room or outside the elbow room.
Headed to the Atlantic Ocean as we speak, so they'll
have a good time at South Florida too.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Waited Headed to the Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
Well, it's in the elbow room right now, which is
right on the ocean there.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Oh okay, Oh boy, man overboard sat travels leaves great
to talk to you about him.
Speaker 10 (23:35):
Always a pleasure beout.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
That's Steve Levy. He's a dynasty.
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Speaker 2 (23:49):
Imon Schumpard played ten seasons in the NBA, former first
round pick by the Knicks, won a title with the Cavaliers,
and he's co host of ESPN's digital pregame show Hoop
and he's going to win the award of Best Dress today.
So thanks for showing us up there, and min how
are you today?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I'm doing well.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Can you explain to our audience the difference for what
a calf strain means to an NBA player and how
that might affect Haliburton tomorrow night.
Speaker 11 (24:20):
When we talk about a calf strain, we talk about
a hamstring strain. Those are two things that if we
think back to when Kevin Durant tried to go out
there before that calf always recovered. Right, you're putting yourself
in position a one hurt yourself for the long term.
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But when we talk about a game that's valuable and
you talk about competing, it's hard to turn your head
and say that you'll let a hamstring or a calf
let you sit down. I expect him to play, but
its effectiveness throughout the game. I don't think that Indiana
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should weigh in heavy on it the way that they
did last game. I think it's something that they should
explore TJ McConnell a little bit more, just because one
he was effective and they took him out. I feel
a little bit too early. But as a player, when
you have a cab strain, you have a hamstring strain,
you have to kind of tell your guys, I don't
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all the way have it.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I'm going to be out there for war.
Speaker 11 (25:26):
I'm gonna be out there, you know, from morale, so
that we can give the look that we've always given.
But at the end of the game, I can't push
how I need to push to get you guys there,
And I don't think that their teammate should expect anything
from that.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Who does SGA remind you of?
Speaker 11 (25:46):
SGA is He's one of those guys that he reminds
me of, you know, a couple of different guys put together.
But if you really break his game down, it's Kobe
picking spots, getting the spots and having a counter given
getting to spots and playing with the pivot rather than
trying to use his athleticism every time he gets there,
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using the angles of the glass, the hanging time on
the jump shot, the jump shot that changes around the rim. Yeah,
it's it's it's pretty dead on with Kobe.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Was there a scouting report with Kobe?
Speaker 11 (26:25):
Yeah, the scouting report was good luck. But Kobe, Kobe
was always one of those guys that the only scouting
report that you had on him was his dead zones.
So you have the zones on the floor that, uh,
I'm not gonna say dead zones, kill zones.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (26:45):
He has the places on the floor that he's the
most dangerous because you start thinking about the array of moves,
the array of counters that he has, his ability to
get you into foul trouble when he gets you into
these moments. So you want to stay away from, you know,
those kill zones, and you want to stay away from
earning two fouls early if playing against somebody like Kobe,
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because it could end up a long night.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Who talked a lot like Kobe? Was he a chatty gun?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Not at all?
Speaker 11 (27:17):
Kobe said what he needed to say, Well, I don't.
I wouldn't know. I never had a playoff war with him.
I've never gone back and forth with Kobe for a
long time. We had our very small tip, the tap
back and forth, and then he would sort of make
his statement in the game would kind of go.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
He said, it would go.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
So I don't know how people heard me tell that
Kobe story, but yeah, it usually goes how Kobe says.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
We did win that game, but I don't think Kobe story.
Speaker 10 (27:54):
End up.
Speaker 11 (27:56):
We headed into the fourth quarter, I'm playing really well, Steal.
You know, I'm doing really well against him from my
standpoint as a rookie player coming into this league, always
wanting to go head up with somebody like this and saying, wow,
I actually deflected a pass, I got a stop, we
got stops, rebounds, I drove by him like I'm thinking
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of all these positive things that I've done to play
against this, you know, legendary laker. And then the end
of the third quarter comes, he comes out. He sits
next to me, puts his hands on his knees, not
because he's tired, just you know, I guess because he
didn't want people knowing what was going on. And when
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I leaned down, he tapped me on the leg and
he said, YEA had a great game, young fella. And
my first reaction was, it's twelve minutes disrespectful thing. Anybody
said to me, like, what do you mean by that?
And yeah, after that, Kobe, he brought out the whole package.
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It was almost as if just say, you know, he
wasn't going one hundred percent, but I know that now
being older, he was just letting me know, you know,
this is the last game on this West Coast swing
for US.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Well it was.
Speaker 11 (29:15):
Either their last game or one of the last games,
but they on their East Coast swing for US, and
Kobe wasn't gonna, you know, go all out the whole game.
He was saving it for the last twelve minutes to
see if he could, you know, get another win before
they pack it up and go back to LA And
you know, understanding his professionalism in that moment, I didn't,
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which is you know why I told the story so animated.
But as the years have gone on, you start to
understand that these older players usually have just been around
the block a few times. They understand when to turn
it on, when to turn it off, and they understand
the longevity of the game. Kobe Bryan is one of
the most ultimate professionals that I've gotten to go again.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Shumper played ten seasons in the NBA, and he's co
host at ESPN's digital pregame show it's called Hoop Streams.
The chances for the Pacers to make this to a
Game seven or what.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 11 (30:16):
I think that they have done an incredible job with
making sure that they are in games for forty eight minutes.
The times that you think that you've put them away,
they find ways to cut the lead down. They can
rush through a ten point lead quicker than anybody that
I've seen do it in the NBA, stringing together stops.
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They doing a great job of pressuring the ball, pressuring
the inbounds passes, so I never feel like they're out
of a game. So I'm happy when they're going home
to Indiana. But I don't know how good these chances
can be if Jalen Williams place like that.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Jalen william C's blood.
Speaker 11 (31:02):
I think that he's that previous year against Dallas where
he didn't have a great showing Game five. He handled
Game five this year, and I can only imagine that
we're going to see more gas from his foot as
well as more gas from SGA, who made a conscious
effort to distribute the ball last game responsible for his
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own thirty, but also very responsible and conscious effort to
make sure he swung it around, made sure guy's got
good looks and guy's got you know, a couple of
shots at the rim. A couple of those assists didn't
go down right away, but they were able to get
second chance rebounds due to them keeping the balance floor.
With those two playing like that, especially down the stretch,
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and then playing small ball on the other end to
get stops, that is an extremely tough.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Team to beat, especially with chet Homer player.
Speaker 11 (31:56):
Well like that. Yeah, that's in for a long night.
I think might be over in six.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Doesn't sound like there's a long list of teams interested
in Kevin Durant.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Why is that it does.
Speaker 11 (32:10):
We're talking about a thirty six year old. You're talking
about somebody that has had to suffer an injury that
you know it takes a little while to come back
from when you have a major injury. Start talking about
your age, you start talking about how much are you
really willing to give up to get a Kevin Durant.
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I think that a team has to be trying to
move into the direction a direction of win now, and
there's a lot of teams that though they want to
win now, they also want the longevity of saying we
have a core group that can stay together, that can
grow together. And I don't know how much at this
age you can expect growth.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
From a Kevin Durant. He sort of plays how he plays.
Speaker 11 (32:55):
He wants what he wants, and yeah, with other teams,
they're expecting a lot. You got to give up a
lot to give him, and you're wondering what that return
is on. Somebody that you know had that similar chance
in Phoenix and they couldn't get over the hump.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Are you prouder of your NBA Championship or you're Dancing
with the Stars champion?
Speaker 11 (33:21):
Well, my mother loves that Dancing with the Stars trophy,
but I will always love my NBA Championship ring a
whole lot more.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Can Lebron ever yell at you?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (33:34):
I think that one of my favorite things from playing
with Lebron was though he had his moments where he
would yell or he would give out a command, Lebron
is very principled on first command. So there's times that
we've yelled at him and his response to it is
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a genuine energy burst for whatever you said, he didn't
do like I've yelled Atbron and said, you know, you
get your ass back. I'll do what you I'll do
what you said down there I got you.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Get your ass back.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
And get the block when I go for the strip.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
When he double clutch, you get the block.
Speaker 11 (34:16):
And I think that's what makes him such a joy
to play with.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (34:22):
He's willing to respond to an extra effort. He's willing
to do all that. But Lebron does demand.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
He demands you to run hard. He demands you to
play hard.
Speaker 11 (34:33):
And uh, you know, if you run through a wall
for him, then it's a mutual respect on that end.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Is there anything he could do that would supplant Michael
Jordan as the greatest of all time.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
In your opinion?
Speaker 11 (34:45):
No, no, nothing, brons I think Lebron is the greatest
of all time. He is the perfect example of a
basketball player. He has the physical makeup that nobody else
might ever get. H you know, right hand, left hand,
you want drive, you want to jump shot, you want
somebody that knows the playbook. Of all the coaches in
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the NBA, I've never seen a basketball mind get to
meet up with such a dominant physical form ever.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Before Lebron James.
Speaker 11 (35:18):
So understanding that and understanding accolades, I completely get it.
It's just when you talk about how long it took
to catch Jordan's record, Jordan took a couple of years
off within getting this record. I can't put anybody past
Michael Jordan, just because I'm more ranking on winning and
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how I felt having a player like that on my
favorite team. So Jordan will always be my goat. But
I totally understand the argument that happens. I think it's
even more special that I got to play with Lebron
and you know, be a part of that conversation. People
talk about it all the time, like you guys are
hating all them Ron just because they wanted to be
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better than Jordan and everybody. And I think it's a
great conversation. And I think Lebron, Kobe's, Steph, all of
them understand they have done their job and we are
supposed to have this barbershop talk about who is the greatest.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Okay, but you think Jordan is the greatest of all time?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Oh yeah, I'm home right now in Chicago. My mom's
still here. Yeah, Jordan Jerseys everywhere.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Would you say that to Lebron. If Lebron said, I've.
Speaker 11 (36:27):
Said it to Lebron, I don't know how many times
I love I love Lebron, I love him. That is
That's my guy. We did our job together, we got
our ring. Yeah, they I've never changed my stance on
the argument of it.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
I used to argue with Melo about stuff like this.
Speaker 11 (36:46):
I used to tell Melo he wouldn't be nothing if
he didn't get a championship. It was just my motivation
to him that that is what matters. That is the
only reason we are here. I don't know what makes you,
you know, get all jiggly as a little key, but
I'm like, that shiny championship ball is what we want.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
That.
Speaker 13 (37:04):
Larry O'Brien, Yeah, but you grew up in Chicago, if
you grew up, if you grew up some other places
aside from you know, Jordan's backyard with the bulls, would
you think.
Speaker 11 (37:15):
I've never I've still never seen a competitor like Michael Jordan. Again,
I've somebody bringing the ball down that could palm the
ball at any time. Plays with an in and out package,
goes right, goes left, jump off, one foot, jump off,
two foot, get to his spots, have counters to everything.
Speaker 13 (37:37):
And be.
Speaker 11 (37:39):
You know, so so competitive that you make the All
defensive team. I just and and do it in the
same year you get the MVP. I just with this guy.
I've I just loved the way it looked. I loved
the way he commanded respect. I love the way he's
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stayed out of the media. You never really knew what
he thought, but you knew when he guaranteed we were
gonna win. There's a certain way that Michael Jordan did
it that I'll always be overly opinionated for him.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Don't you wish you could have guarded him?
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I do.
Speaker 11 (38:14):
I wish I could have win out a lot of people,
especially without blowing my ACL. I really, you know, never
got to move ninety four feet how I wanted to
ever again after blowing my ACL.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
The but you know, playing against Kobe and what Kobe
could do, and Mike was better than Kobe.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 11 (38:38):
I would have loved, you know, to just get out
there and you know, put my best.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Foot forward, so to speak.
Speaker 11 (38:45):
But the cool thing is I probably would have guarded
Mike a lot better than I could guard Kobe, just
because I studied Mike Moore. When you people used to
think all the time that when I was playing defense
on somebody that it was because I was a great defender,
And I used to tell them actually being a defender
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sometimes being an ultimate fan. I was an ultimate fan
of basketball. But I'm also a huge Lebron fan. I'm
a huge Kobe fan. I'm a huge Kevin Durant fan.
I'm a fan of Kyrie, like though he's my class.
It's like I'm a fan of how you play the game,
how you attack the game, and if you watch enough highlights, you.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Start to pick up on tendencies.
Speaker 11 (39:30):
If you watch enough of their their game film, you
start to see what their plan is as far as
getting themselves going.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
And I just did my job to take it away.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Good to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I hope you're finding a home there in the media.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
At timon Shumper
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Panthers dominated the Oilers, and it felt like it was
a little closer than what it was because you had
a couple of overtime games. It started out like, this
could be great, this will be epic. You're going to
get the best player in this sport, maybe the second
or third best player in the sport going against the Panthers,
a great team, and it never materialized. And now we
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get back to back Cups, and of course now we
have to talk about what is a dynasty, which we'll
talk about here in a moment, and it might vary
from sport to sport. What is a dynasty? If you're
the Patriots, in your dynasty it was kind of spread out,
but it was dynastic. And then you look at the
Golden State Warriors a little bit spread out. It used
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to be your dynasty was you win three in a row,
four in a row. Go back to the Celtics in
the sixties. They were winning every single year. But the dynasty,
I think the maybe the sport has different definitions. So
we'll explore that coming up. All right, poll question for
the first down of the program is going to be
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what Stephen.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, I think we could kick around the dynasty topic
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I would probably define a dynasty as, say, three titles
in somewhere between five to ten years. It doesn't have
to be three in a row, all right, but if
you're able to get three within that stretch, I can't
be longer than ten years. I think that that would
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qualify you as sustained period of excellence.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Okay, I don't think this team was ever mentioned as
having a dynasty. This team won three titles in five years.
The San Francisco Giants every other year won titles.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's a dynasty, is it or is it just a run?
Speaker 5 (01:59):
I don't know, a good run or is it a dynasty?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But then if you don't make the playoffs I don't
think they made the playoffs in the other years. Can
you be a dynasty if you win, don't make the playoffs, win,
don't make the playoffs win, Yes, pulling.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
That's exactly right, that's the team.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I was going to bring up.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
Twenty ten World Series, miss a playoffs, twelve World Series,
miss the playoffs, fourteen worlds. That feels dynasty ish, though
ish three or five, like Seaton said, that's.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Ish, how that's feel super dynasty.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But I don't think anybody gave them credit as having
the Giants got a dynasty. It was they're really good
in even number of years, and then they didn't make
the playoffs. I think you got to make the playoffs.
I think you got to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
The years that you don't, I don't know, we're groaning,
we're groaning, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I'm I'm a purest and you know I'm old school.
I'm a snob when it comes to my dynasties here, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 8 (02:58):
And I think those Giants teams had three different lineups,
so it wasn't like the same group of guys won those.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
World Series t same manager though, hall of Famer yeah,
Chris Bochi yes uh. And they had Buster Posey okay,
and Madison Bumgardner. Other than that, Tim Litz. Tim was
he there for all of those I got to check
all very good, you know, I don't think so, Yes, Tom, to.
Speaker 9 (03:24):
Me, the word dynasty has got to have a very
high bar to it besides just you know, making the playoffs.
And I think you've got to win three in a row,
and you got to get there three in five years.
I wouldn't go much past five years. I think you've
got to win three and four. I'll wink at the
winning three and five years to use the word dynasty.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
San Francisco Giants. Did they have a dynasty in your opinion?
Speaker 6 (03:46):
I'm gonna say it doesn't feel dynasty. You just said
three years, because it's baseball.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You just said three and five years.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
I reluctantly for the Giants.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
So it's one of those things he got even mine.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, this is this is why I like, we've been
talking about this whole morning long.
Speaker 10 (04:08):
I understand.
Speaker 9 (04:09):
But it's also like the Hall of Fame when you
hear it. But sometimes that's part of it too.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
You just spend three in five years, right, But that's not.
Speaker 9 (04:16):
A strict definition for me. This is what I'm thinking.
It should be something in the neighborhood of winning three
out of four years. But sometimes the last piece of
the puzzle is does that ring?
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Does that ring true to you when you hear that
team or that.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Just contradicted yourself a little bit? Yeah know a lot,
Yes it fit. I don't know anything about hockey. But
if you just look back sort of over the last
say ten years. It looks like on paper and if
you're a hockey fan, don't hold me to this. Okay,
I understand I might be wrong. It feels like they've
slowly been building over the last say like ten years,
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from a team that sort of struggled into something great
into a powerhouse that they are now. Those feel all
like dynasty building type mo Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Tampa Bay Lightning did they have a dynasty? The Tampa
Bay Lightning? Did they have a dynasty? Because if Florida
has one, then Tampa Bay had one. I think the
state of Florida has a dynasty going on when it
comes to hockey. But yeah, once again, it's tricky with
the definition of that, and we do get caught up
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on is that.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
A dynasty or not a dynasty?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
You know, you'll know it if I If I hear it,
then I'm going to react to it. Yes or no,
it's a dynasty, Okay. I think dynasties come in all
shapes and sizes. Yes, Marvin for.
Speaker 8 (05:38):
Fritzi, would you consider the eighty Celtics a dynasty? They
won titles in eighty one, eighty four, and eighty six.
I think I would, well, wait, a minute.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
What's the difference and for some reason San Francisco giants
me just to hear it.
Speaker 9 (05:54):
Then Celtics, Yes, it's a total bias in the East
called whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
But I'm like giants now.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Say, because it's not the eighties when you would know
everybody's name and the start.
Speaker 9 (06:05):
If you want to talk about you know, Sidney Wicks
and Jojo White and have the chick and Cowans.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
And everything, I'm all in.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
Okay, Yeah, yes, the Celtics can't be because they shared
titles during that run and that would get rid of it.
The Lightning won two Stanley Cups in a row. They
could have won three, which would have cemented them as dynasty.
They lost it. Here's a couple of dynasties, the New
England Patriots, starting at one, they won three out of
four Super Bowls, which enters you into dynasty category. They
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went nine years without winning a Super Bowl, but they
were always in the AFC title gum almost always in it.
Then they won three in five years, so they had
both two dynasties and a run in between it. How
about this one, this is pure dynasty. Golden State Warriors,
they starting in twenty fourteen, they were in five straight
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NBA finals and won three of them. That means a
sport ran through them for five years.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
To say, Okay, was Lebron James a dynasty?
Speaker 10 (07:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
No, he went to the NBA finals? How many years?
With nine and ten years?
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Something? Crazy?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You went eighth street eight straight NBA finals? Like that's
an individual dynasty, isn't it? No matter where he went,
his team went.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
To the NBA finals.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So I don't like, can you have a singular dynasty,
you know, not in a sport like uh, you know,
tennis or golf, But I'm talking about Lebron doing that
eight consecutive years.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Yes, Tom, you could.
Speaker 9 (07:39):
Be an all time great. I don't think it could
be a person dynasty. I think dynasty to me is
a group or a team.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Make a dynasty.
Speaker 9 (07:45):
You could have a dynastic career, but you can't be
a dynasty.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
To me, that doesn't seem like.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, but I don't even know what it means to
you anymore since you screwed up the San Francisco Giants.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Okay, but I don't think you can.
Speaker 9 (07:56):
Call a person a dynasty like a great fighter who
went four with thirty three knockers.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
He's a dynasty.
Speaker 9 (08:02):
Just sounds strange language wise to call an individual a dynasty.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Was Tiger Woods a dynasty?
Speaker 9 (08:08):
He's an all time great. I wouldn't call any person
a dynasty. I don't care how amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Okay, but we're talking about sustained winning and the common
uh ground or you know, common denominator was Lebron James
and all of that.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Yes, point, I.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
Agree with you on this one. I think you've kind
of stumbled upon an individual dynasty and it's a new
thing because the sport ran through Lebron James for a decade.
Wherever he was, that's where the final was Tiger Woods
for ten to twelve years. The sport ran through him,
and so it is a different type of diyaste. But
you're right.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean to say the same thing about the Patriots.
We could split it into two if you just want
to do you know, wins, but they they you know,
even when they were down, they still that first dynasty
air quotes is five super Bowl appearances in ten years.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
I have no problem calling them a dynasty.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Maybe they've been a dynasty at two separate times book ended, Yeah,
I have no problem with that. It's that run of
whatever that was ten years where they didn't win a
super Bowl, but they still were in the conversation for
a super Bowl, like getting to the Stanley Cup Final
or getting to the NBA Finals or getting to the
super Bowl. Like, can you include that in a dynasty
(09:24):
that if you don't win but you still get to
the championship? Does that factor in? Does it factor in
what you do in the years that you don't win
the championship? Should it factor in that the Giants didn't
even make the playoffs? I think it should.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
Yeah, Marvin, what about the eighties forty nine ers? So
they won a title in eighty one, then their last
title was in eighty nine.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
I don't think it's a dynasty.
Speaker 8 (09:51):
You don't think so four titles in what nine years?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
It feels pretty dynasty issue.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
But then you also had other really good teams back
then you had the Giants, But that's that's what the Boys.
But they were also kind of on the cusp of
you know, dynastic as well.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
But I think that's what makes their run even better
because you got to look at those teams that they
had to fight against to win those four super Bowls
eighty six Giants, eighty seven Redskins. The Vikings were really
good during that time. The Bears, Oh, sorry about that.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
I heard of them almost like.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
The eighties Lake that where the Bears, the eighty five Bears.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
A dynasty, A onesie, A onesie, maybe the greatest one
off of all time. We're going to dine out on
this for decades.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yes, Seaton, the NFL might be the toughest sport to
have a dynasty, okay, because you have. I know all
sports focus on parody, but they seem NFL seems to
take it most serious.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Salary cap. Do you have short careers.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
In the NFL, which I think impacts a dynasty because
if you have a lot of turnover. One of the
things about a dynasty to me is a consistent group
of players. Maybe, but in the NFL you have so
much turnover it's tough to say year to year this
is the same team.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Maybe we should have started with the Webster Dictionary definition
of dynasty.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
Yes, conveniently, I have that up on my screen. A
series of rulers or leaders who are all from the
same family, or a period when a country is ruled
by a series of rulers or leaders Okay, so it
comes from you know, that kind of thing we've co
opted in sports, like Mount Rushmore used to be a
place you'd visit in South Dakota.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Now it's sports radio foder.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yes, hey, you know the flip side of that too.
I would say probably the easiest sport to have a
dynasty would be college football. Yes, you get the right
coach and a good run of players, you could win.
You could rattle off three out of four, you know,
five whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And it used to be that those players were locked
in for at least three years, if not four years,
you know, when there was no transfer portal. Now it's
a little bit tougher now to you know, you're reloading
every single year. Yes, Tom, is there a name or should.
Speaker 9 (12:11):
There be a name for the anti dynasty? Like the
Bills losing four straight Super Bowls? The Broncos losing three
out of four. You got so far and you accomplished
so much in a short window, but you just didn't
win the championship.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Should there be a term for that? Or you're just
a loser. You got all the way to the end
only to not to make it all the way?
Speaker 5 (12:28):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (12:30):
I think we probably.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Don't need a word or a termte do you have
a word?
Speaker 11 (12:33):
You don't, but.
Speaker 9 (12:33):
I'd like to think of what Well, there are a
lot of teams that come close over a short period
of time and they just come up.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Maybe me come up with the name, and then, you know,
then we could kind of complete the whole thought there.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Yeah, it kind of went to horse before the cart thing.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yes, what did you send me here? Definition of a dynasty?
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Yeah, I was looking at dynasty to see you know,
you were talking about it.
Speaker 9 (12:51):
You can call an athlete the dynasty, but to me
that sounds odd and just AI take it for what
it's worth, defines it as an athlete can be considered
a dynasty. In sports, a dynasty we refer to a
team or individual, as you said, that dominates their sport
for an extended period, achieving sustained success and multiple championships.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
So we're good.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
No, no, we're good.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
So you may have something there, Thank you, Tom.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Steve Leevey's going to join us, join us from Sunrise, Florida.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
What about a dynasty thirty years covering hockey?
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Is that a dynasty?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Maybe?
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Yeah, I'll give him a dynasty.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
It feels like your four cents.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
It's a broadcasting dynasty. Thirty years in a row covering
the Stanley Cup Final. Steve believes a dynasty. It's the
only individual I would give that to.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Chris Merman a dynasty, Bob Constance a dynasty, and Dan Patrick. No,
I didn't include myself. You're just trying to suck up.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
I'm considered a gong is coming any time.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I almost gonged you for your giants. I almost. But
I'm trying not to go to the world too often.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yes, those those teams Todd was just referring to called
bridesmaid Yes, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
Yeah, yes, pulling or krynasty because they're crying.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I'm not going to give you a bloop on that one, right, No,
I'm not going to. That doesn't help, Like I retract it.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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been there covering the Stanley Cup Final for over thirty years.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
He is a dynasty.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
He's done it for thirty According to Fritzy Steve Levy
is a dynasty. You have covered the Stanley Cup Final
every year since nineteen ninety four. Congratulations, Steve DP, thank you.
Speaker 10 (14:52):
It's quite an honored I appreciate.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Okay, the Panthers already a dynasty.
Speaker 10 (14:59):
You know, I mean the definition is crazy.
Speaker 12 (15:01):
Uh just winning two in a row is not dynasty
level for me, Dan, I know, it's three consecutive trips.
Speaker 10 (15:09):
I think you have to get to four in hockey.
Speaker 12 (15:11):
I think the Islanders, I think the Oilers of the eighties,
the Canadians. I really think like four is a magic
number for the dynasty. And now that was not salary
cap era, so I get that. But it is remarkable.
And they're doing it in South Florida two, which is
something even more special.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
But I wonder I got even more.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I wonder about that with the state of Florida, with
Tampa Bay and Florida, the trickle down effect on the
youth programs there.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
It's one thing to be, Hey, weren't anomaly.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
We're a great hockey team in the sun you know,
in the Sunshine State, you know, Tampa Bay.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
But is this how much of an effect is this.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Having on younger players playing this sport the way they
do in Canada.
Speaker 10 (15:57):
Absolutely it's a factor.
Speaker 12 (15:58):
They're they're building rinks left and right, and the fan
bases are have really become tremendous. You know, it's not
that long ago the Panthers DAN and they were tarping
the top of the arena and and now it's that's
one of the bigger rinks I think in the NHL,
probably close to twenty thousand.
Speaker 10 (16:16):
And that place is full and they're in it.
Speaker 12 (16:18):
And you know, where the Panthers play is not exactly
a metropolitan area out in Sunrise.
Speaker 10 (16:24):
There's not a lot going on out there, but the
organization is very well run.
Speaker 11 (16:29):
DAN.
Speaker 12 (16:29):
They've built they built their practice facility in the Los
Olas area, which is a hot spot. Now I know
the guys will live in the area and they take
golf carts to practice. I mean, there are a lot
of attractive reasons to want to be a Florida Panther
and attract free agency. The tax issue is certainly a benefit,
but I think that's going to help keep some guys
around too. They win, They treat the players right, really
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first class ownership in both Tampa and and for the
Florida Panthers.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
It felt like we were going to get a tight
seven game series, it was gonna be dramatic, and then
all of a sudden, something changed and you saw total domination.
What was that one change?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Dan?
Speaker 12 (17:09):
This was the sweepiest, if you will, the sweepiest six
game series in history, you know, like I mean, this
should have been a four game sweep, and watching each
individual game, it felt like a total sweep. And it's
really easy to criticize Edmonton, but you can't lose sight
of just how great Florida was. They made the Panthers
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made Connor McDavid and Leon Dryside of look pedestrian. They
looked like two players who were individually great. But if
you removed them, and I was telling this to people,
if you took McDavid and Drysidle the way the remaining
ten forwards for the Oilers, I'm not sure I would
have taken one of them over any of the Florida
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Panther forwards.
Speaker 10 (17:53):
I mean the team, the Florida Panthers team was dominant.
Speaker 12 (17:57):
The Oilers still probably have the two best players on
the ice, but the Panthers as a team, and certainly
in goal, that was a big difference. The other thing
that jumps out Dan is the dominance in the first period,
and I can't explain it. The last four games of
the period of the series, Florida outscored Edmondson nine to nothing.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
The Oilers gave up at least two goals and they.
Speaker 12 (18:22):
Couldn't get out of the first period scoreless or even
tied at one.
Speaker 10 (18:25):
It was bizarre.
Speaker 12 (18:26):
And the amazing one was the three up in game
that Edmondon actually came back and won that they had
no business and that's a miracle comeback.
Speaker 10 (18:35):
That's all time, that's going back to nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 12 (18:38):
And really that gets forgotten now because the Oilers lost
that series.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Okay, if you were running the Edmonton Oilers, you got
a big decision with Connor McDavid. Maybe he has a
big decision. I think he's got one year left. He's
what twenty eight years of age, widely recognized is the
greatest player in hockey, most talented we've maybe ever seen,
and he doesn't have anything to show for it. Is
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it gonna be him wanting to leave or the Oilers
wanting to regroup and try to make this a full team.
Speaker 10 (19:12):
No, they would never let him leave.
Speaker 12 (19:14):
I mean the franchise is on the map really right
now because of Connor McDavid. I I couldn't even imagine
that franchise. If he left, that will be his decision,
and then you play that game, right if the Oilers
the games they.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Did this in the eighties, they did this once before
with it, but they.
Speaker 12 (19:31):
Had a lot more depth. I mean, obviously it was Gretzky,
but they had a lot more depth. They got probably
seven or eight Hall of Famers from that team. And
right now it's you know, it's Dr Suttle, you know,
and and conom mc.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
But is he gonna want to go Steve? They they're
gonna want to keep him. Yeah, But does he say
I've gone as far as I can go?
Speaker 10 (19:51):
I mean, that's the question.
Speaker 12 (19:52):
He's changed the agents recently, Dan, I don't know what
that means, but that's probably a factor in all of this.
Speaker 10 (19:57):
I think he's a loyal guy. He's made Edmondson his home.
I think he loves it there with his family.
Speaker 12 (20:03):
You know, I don't know that, And we're gonna find
out soon, Like we could have this answer in two weeks.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
And that's the issue.
Speaker 12 (20:08):
If the Boilers feel like, hey, we're not going to
be able to sign this guy. No matter how many
how much money we throw at him. They can't let
him walk to free agency. You can't get nothing in
return for the guy. So that's the issue. But they've
got a lot of holes. Dan, they don't have enough
dogs in the fight. They need a real number one goaltender.
I mean that was one of the areas Florida classed
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him in.
Speaker 10 (20:30):
And listen, I.
Speaker 12 (20:32):
Didn't think Edmondon was gonna win any of the four rounds,
and really any of the first three.
Speaker 10 (20:36):
I had him.
Speaker 12 (20:37):
I had him losing all three first round of their
first rounds, and then I finally.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Went over and picked him in the final in seven.
I looked like a total lady.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
As usual grade this season for the NHL.
Speaker 12 (20:51):
Off the charts great and I don't care about the
television ratings. The finals wasn't our year with the final,
that's how this works. But off the charts, four nations
out of control, great, Alex Ovechkin unbelievable, Even the trade
deadline was great. Miko Ranton in a real superstar gets
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moved twice during the regular season.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
That never happens.
Speaker 12 (21:17):
And really, the playoffs were terrific, and we're gonna have
an off season. You know, it's never gonna be the
NFL off season, but the NHL off season with major
names out there, Mitch Marner in Toronto and a ton
of movement and coaches going in and out. It's the
NHL has really evolved and elevated itself, I think.
Speaker 10 (21:39):
And it's fascinating to watch what's going on now.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Your first year covering the Stanley Cup Final, the Rangers
win the Cup?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Were you at the after party that I was at
when the cup was there? And I don't, Oh, okay.
Speaker 10 (21:58):
You don't remember that.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
You don't remember.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I don't remember seeing you. I did ask MESSI, I
said what's in the cup? And he gave me some
choice words like you don't ask what liquid is in
the cup?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
You just drink from the cup?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
You did?
Speaker 12 (22:12):
And I drank from it too, buddy. I dragged from
it that night. Somebody's got a picture. I can't seem
to find it. I drank from it in the dressing room,
which is highly unprofessional, also being the journalists that we are.
But it was a special all time night, and you know,
I grew up a lifelong Ranger fan. I never got
to see them actually skate the cup around the garden
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because back in those days, as a rights holder, you
had to be positioned in the dressing room. Yeah, five
minutes left on a clock. So all those years I
never got to see skin up, but I did drink
out of the cup that night. I guess I would
ask Dan, do you remember seeing anybody that night at
the party.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Or mess your mess chilling? The hardest party winning team
ever was who.
Speaker 10 (23:00):
Capitals gave it a run?
Speaker 12 (23:03):
Oh boy, I'm not sure anyone enjoyed that stilly cup
more than Alex Ovechkin. Washington had a really good time
and listen to cup right now for everything I can
tell this inside the elbow room or outside the elbow room.
Headed to the Atlantic Ocean as we speak, so they'll
have a good time at South Florida too.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Waited Headed to the Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
Well, it's in the elbow room right now, which is
right on the ocean there.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Oh okay, Oh boy, man overboard sat travels leaves great
to talk to you about him.
Speaker 10 (23:35):
Always a pleasure beout.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
That's Steve Levy. He's a dynasty.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
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Speaker 2 (23:49):
Imon Schumpard played ten seasons in the NBA, former first
round pick by the Knicks, won a title with the Cavaliers,
and he's co host of ESPN's digital pregame show Hoop
and he's going to win the award of Best Dress today.
So thanks for showing us up there, and min how
are you today?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I'm doing well.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Can you explain to our audience the difference for what
a calf strain means to an NBA player and how
that might affect Haliburton tomorrow night.
Speaker 11 (24:20):
When we talk about a calf strain, we talk about
a hamstring strain. Those are two things that if we
think back to when Kevin Durant tried to go out
there before that calf always recovered. Right, you're putting yourself
in position a one hurt yourself for the long term.
(24:41):
But when we talk about a game that's valuable and
you talk about competing, it's hard to turn your head
and say that you'll let a hamstring or a calf
let you sit down. I expect him to play, but
its effectiveness throughout the game. I don't think that Indiana
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should weigh in heavy on it the way that they
did last game. I think it's something that they should
explore TJ McConnell a little bit more, just because one
he was effective and they took him out. I feel
a little bit too early. But as a player, when
you have a cab strain, you have a hamstring strain,
you have to kind of tell your guys, I don't
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all the way have it.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I'm going to be out there for war.
Speaker 11 (25:26):
I'm gonna be out there, you know, from morale, so
that we can give the look that we've always given.
But at the end of the game, I can't push
how I need to push to get you guys there,
And I don't think that their teammate should expect anything
from that.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Who does SGA remind you of?
Speaker 11 (25:46):
SGA is He's one of those guys that he reminds
me of, you know, a couple of different guys put together.
But if you really break his game down, it's Kobe
picking spots, getting the spots and having a counter given
getting to spots and playing with the pivot rather than
trying to use his athleticism every time he gets there,
(26:09):
using the angles of the glass, the hanging time on
the jump shot, the jump shot that changes around the rim. Yeah,
it's it's it's pretty dead on with Kobe.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Was there a scouting report with Kobe?
Speaker 11 (26:25):
Yeah, the scouting report was good luck. But Kobe, Kobe
was always one of those guys that the only scouting
report that you had on him was his dead zones.
So you have the zones on the floor that, uh,
I'm not gonna say dead zones, kill zones.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (26:45):
He has the places on the floor that he's the
most dangerous because you start thinking about the array of moves,
the array of counters that he has, his ability to
get you into foul trouble when he gets you into
these moments. So you want to stay away from, you know,
those kill zones, and you want to stay away from
earning two fouls early if playing against somebody like Kobe,
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because it could end up a long night.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Who talked a lot like Kobe? Was he a chatty gun?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Not at all?
Speaker 11 (27:17):
Kobe said what he needed to say, Well, I don't.
I wouldn't know. I never had a playoff war with him.
I've never gone back and forth with Kobe for a
long time. We had our very small tip, the tap
back and forth, and then he would sort of make
his statement in the game would kind of go.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
He said, it would go.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
So I don't know how people heard me tell that
Kobe story, but yeah, it usually goes how Kobe says.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
We did win that game, but I don't think Kobe story.
Speaker 10 (27:54):
End up.
Speaker 11 (27:56):
We headed into the fourth quarter, I'm playing really well, Steal.
You know, I'm doing really well against him from my
standpoint as a rookie player coming into this league, always
wanting to go head up with somebody like this and saying, wow,
I actually deflected a pass, I got a stop, we
got stops, rebounds, I drove by him like I'm thinking
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of all these positive things that I've done to play
against this, you know, legendary laker. And then the end
of the third quarter comes, he comes out. He sits
next to me, puts his hands on his knees, not
because he's tired, just you know, I guess because he
didn't want people knowing what was going on. And when
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I leaned down, he tapped me on the leg and
he said, YEA had a great game, young fella. And
my first reaction was, it's twelve minutes disrespectful thing. Anybody
said to me, like, what do you mean by that?
And yeah, after that, Kobe, he brought out the whole package.
(28:57):
It was almost as if just say, you know, he
wasn't going one hundred percent, but I know that now
being older, he was just letting me know, you know,
this is the last game on this West Coast swing
for US.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Well it was.
Speaker 11 (29:15):
Either their last game or one of the last games,
but they on their East Coast swing for US, and
Kobe wasn't gonna, you know, go all out the whole game.
He was saving it for the last twelve minutes to
see if he could, you know, get another win before
they pack it up and go back to LA And
you know, understanding his professionalism in that moment, I didn't,
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which is you know why I told the story so animated.
But as the years have gone on, you start to
understand that these older players usually have just been around
the block a few times. They understand when to turn
it on, when to turn it off, and they understand
the longevity of the game. Kobe Bryan is one of
the most ultimate professionals that I've gotten to go again.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Shumper played ten seasons in the NBA, and he's co
host at ESPN's digital pregame show it's called Hoop Streams.
The chances for the Pacers to make this to a
Game seven or what.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 11 (30:16):
I think that they have done an incredible job with
making sure that they are in games for forty eight minutes.
The times that you think that you've put them away,
they find ways to cut the lead down. They can
rush through a ten point lead quicker than anybody that
I've seen do it in the NBA, stringing together stops.
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They doing a great job of pressuring the ball, pressuring
the inbounds passes, so I never feel like they're out
of a game. So I'm happy when they're going home
to Indiana. But I don't know how good these chances
can be if Jalen Williams place like that.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Jalen william C's blood.
Speaker 11 (31:02):
I think that he's that previous year against Dallas where
he didn't have a great showing Game five. He handled
Game five this year, and I can only imagine that
we're going to see more gas from his foot as
well as more gas from SGA, who made a conscious
effort to distribute the ball last game responsible for his
(31:26):
own thirty, but also very responsible and conscious effort to
make sure he swung it around, made sure guy's got
good looks and guy's got you know, a couple of
shots at the rim. A couple of those assists didn't
go down right away, but they were able to get
second chance rebounds due to them keeping the balance floor.
With those two playing like that, especially down the stretch,
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and then playing small ball on the other end to
get stops, that is an extremely tough.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Team to beat, especially with chet Homer player.
Speaker 11 (31:56):
Well like that. Yeah, that's in for a long night.
I think might be over in six.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Doesn't sound like there's a long list of teams interested
in Kevin Durant.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Why is that it does.
Speaker 11 (32:10):
We're talking about a thirty six year old. You're talking
about somebody that has had to suffer an injury that
you know it takes a little while to come back
from when you have a major injury. Start talking about
your age, you start talking about how much are you
really willing to give up to get a Kevin Durant.
(32:31):
I think that a team has to be trying to
move into the direction a direction of win now, and
there's a lot of teams that though they want to
win now, they also want the longevity of saying we
have a core group that can stay together, that can
grow together. And I don't know how much at this
age you can expect growth.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
From a Kevin Durant. He sort of plays how he plays.
Speaker 11 (32:55):
He wants what he wants, and yeah, with other teams,
they're expecting a lot. You got to give up a
lot to give him, and you're wondering what that return
is on. Somebody that you know had that similar chance
in Phoenix and they couldn't get over the hump.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Are you prouder of your NBA Championship or you're Dancing
with the Stars champion?
Speaker 11 (33:21):
Well, my mother loves that Dancing with the Stars trophy,
but I will always love my NBA Championship ring a
whole lot more.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Can Lebron ever yell at you?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (33:34):
I think that one of my favorite things from playing
with Lebron was though he had his moments where he
would yell or he would give out a command, Lebron
is very principled on first command. So there's times that
we've yelled at him and his response to it is
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a genuine energy burst for whatever you said, he didn't
do like I've yelled Atbron and said, you know, you
get your ass back. I'll do what you I'll do
what you said down there I got you.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Get your ass back.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
And get the block when I go for the strip.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
When he double clutch, you get the block.
Speaker 11 (34:16):
And I think that's what makes him such a joy
to play with.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (34:22):
He's willing to respond to an extra effort. He's willing
to do all that. But Lebron does demand.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
He demands you to run hard. He demands you to
play hard.
Speaker 11 (34:33):
And uh, you know, if you run through a wall
for him, then it's a mutual respect on that end.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Is there anything he could do that would supplant Michael
Jordan as the greatest of all time.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
In your opinion?
Speaker 11 (34:45):
No, no, nothing, brons I think Lebron is the greatest
of all time. He is the perfect example of a
basketball player. He has the physical makeup that nobody else
might ever get. H you know, right hand, left hand,
you want drive, you want to jump shot, you want
somebody that knows the playbook. Of all the coaches in
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the NBA, I've never seen a basketball mind get to
meet up with such a dominant physical form ever.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Before Lebron James.
Speaker 11 (35:18):
So understanding that and understanding accolades, I completely get it.
It's just when you talk about how long it took
to catch Jordan's record, Jordan took a couple of years
off within getting this record. I can't put anybody past
Michael Jordan, just because I'm more ranking on winning and
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how I felt having a player like that on my
favorite team. So Jordan will always be my goat. But
I totally understand the argument that happens. I think it's
even more special that I got to play with Lebron
and you know, be a part of that conversation. People
talk about it all the time, like you guys are
hating all them Ron just because they wanted to be
(36:01):
better than Jordan and everybody. And I think it's a
great conversation. And I think Lebron, Kobe's, Steph, all of
them understand they have done their job and we are
supposed to have this barbershop talk about who is the greatest.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Okay, but you think Jordan is the greatest of all time?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Oh yeah, I'm home right now in Chicago. My mom's
still here. Yeah, Jordan Jerseys everywhere.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Would you say that to Lebron. If Lebron said, I've.
Speaker 11 (36:27):
Said it to Lebron, I don't know how many times
I love I love Lebron, I love him. That is
That's my guy. We did our job together, we got
our ring. Yeah, they I've never changed my stance on
the argument of it.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
I used to argue with Melo about stuff like this.
Speaker 11 (36:46):
I used to tell Melo he wouldn't be nothing if
he didn't get a championship. It was just my motivation
to him that that is what matters. That is the
only reason we are here. I don't know what makes you,
you know, get all jiggly as a little key, but
I'm like, that shiny championship ball is what we want.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
That.
Speaker 13 (37:04):
Larry O'Brien, Yeah, but you grew up in Chicago, if
you grew up, if you grew up some other places
aside from you know, Jordan's backyard with the bulls, would
you think.
Speaker 11 (37:15):
I've never I've still never seen a competitor like Michael Jordan. Again,
I've somebody bringing the ball down that could palm the
ball at any time. Plays with an in and out package,
goes right, goes left, jump off, one foot, jump off,
two foot, get to his spots, have counters to everything.
Speaker 13 (37:37):
And be.
Speaker 11 (37:39):
You know, so so competitive that you make the All
defensive team. I just and and do it in the
same year you get the MVP. I just with this guy.
I've I just loved the way it looked. I loved
the way he commanded respect. I love the way he's
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stayed out of the media. You never really knew what
he thought, but you knew when he guaranteed we were
gonna win. There's a certain way that Michael Jordan did
it that I'll always be overly opinionated for him.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Don't you wish you could have guarded him?
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I do.
Speaker 11 (38:14):
I wish I could have win out a lot of people,
especially without blowing my ACL. I really, you know, never
got to move ninety four feet how I wanted to
ever again after blowing my ACL.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
The but you know, playing against Kobe and what Kobe
could do, and Mike was better than Kobe.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 11 (38:38):
I would have loved, you know, to just get out
there and you know, put my best.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Foot forward, so to speak.
Speaker 11 (38:45):
But the cool thing is I probably would have guarded
Mike a lot better than I could guard Kobe, just
because I studied Mike Moore. When you people used to
think all the time that when I was playing defense
on somebody that it was because I was a great defender,
And I used to tell them actually being a defender
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sometimes being an ultimate fan. I was an ultimate fan
of basketball. But I'm also a huge Lebron fan. I'm
a huge Kobe fan. I'm a huge Kevin Durant fan.
I'm a fan of Kyrie, like though he's my class.
It's like I'm a fan of how you play the game,
how you attack the game, and if you watch enough highlights, you.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Start to pick up on tendencies.
Speaker 11 (39:30):
If you watch enough of their their game film, you
start to see what their plan is as far as
getting themselves going.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
And I just did my job to take it away.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Good to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I hope you're finding a home there in the media.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
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