June 19, 2025 • 38 mins
LA Times Lakers beat writer Dan Woike breaks down the stunning $10 billion sale of the Lakers and shares what the team's near future now could look like. NBA TV analyst Brendan Haywood discusses the Pacers potentially missing Tyrese Haliburton for Game 6 and shares funny Dirk Nowitzki stories. NFL on FOX analyst Mark Sanchez praises the Steelers signing Aaron Rodgers and calls out teams like the Bengals for their handling of certain players' contracts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Ten billion dollars? Why now? Genie Buss the family sells
the Lakers to Mark Walter, the part of the Dodger
ownership for ten billion dollars, Dan Wiki. He is the
Lakers beat writer La Times joining us on the program. Dan,
Thanks for joining us. Why sell? Why sell now?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
The only answer I've been able to come up with
at this point is ten billion dollars. That's the answer,
and it's it's an interesting thing because that'll be the
thing that we learn here over the next few weeks,
few months and stuff. No one from the Lakers is
still set a peep about this, right match Johnson kind
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of was the de facto spoke person. He's the person
that has, you know, hands in the Mark Walter cap.
Obviously very close to Genie Buss. So we don't totally
know why. Here's what we do know. We know that
to sell the team the way that the ownership thing
is structured, after doctor Jerry Buss died, a majority of
his six children needed to vote to sell, and that
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majority never existed until yesterday. So that that is I
think the interesting thing, right, is that always Genie was
running the team. You know, Jim was involved with the team.
He was the sort of executive Bath Operations famously tried
to sue his sister to try to like wrestle control
of the team in twenty seventeen. The older siblings Johnny
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and Janey not that involved. And you know, but but
Joey Buss runs the you know, Salta team, Jesse Buss
involved in the scouting department. These are people that have
day to day roles with the organization, and you know,
so I think that's kind of what what we're learning
here a little bit is sort of how this played
out that way. It's an interesting not to get like
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weigh in the weeds on like trust law, but it's
an interesting like part of the way their ownership was
structured was always sort of inevitable. The way the deal
is structured. Dan was that you know, this to sound morbid,
and I apologize, but if the oldest Bus sibling were
to die, it's not like those shares go to next
of kin. The tie just gets smaller. It goes from
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being cut six ways to being cut five ways, and
then it goes to being cut four ways, and it
keeps getting smaller. And smaller and smaller, sort of a
last person standing type of situation, you know, and these
are people genies in her mid sixties and stuff like that.
It just it's a lot of money, Dan, it's a
lot of money.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
What's it mean for the Laker fan?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I think it's probably good news. It's a little less charming, right.
I think that was one of the things about the
Laker organization, especially if you were around the team and
you're a fan who goes to games and you see,
you know, Genie bus and you could used to be
able to tweet it her a lot when she was
really active on social media. It was like very She's
a very public person. I mean, it's a family business.
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It truly is a family business, and I think it
will lose that And I'm not sure that's like good
in total for a league that is losing this all
the time because the money is just getting bigger and
bigger and bigger. But I mean, I think we can
it's fair to look to the Dodgers, right, And I'm
not I'm not suggesting they're going to pay sho hey
o Tani, you know, tw million dollars to play center
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next season, Like that's not how this really works.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
In the NBA.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
But what you can do is you can pour that
money into everything else. You can pour that money into
your bench, you can pour that money int your analytics department.
You can pour that money into development, pour that money
into the arena. You know, the Lakers. That's another crazy
part of this deal, Dan, The Lakers don't own property.
It is like a brand, right, that is what you're
buying a lot of times when these evaluations come up
for teams, it's you know, they own their arena. Part
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of the Warriors evaluation is they've got a huge piece
of real estate, you know, right on the Bay. That's
not the Lakers. The Lakers are at least the play
inside of Crypto dot com. Like, so this is a
deal for the brand. But I think it's fair to
think that Mark Walter, the way that they've operated the Dodgers,
they're going to pour money into this in all the
places they can to give the team the best chance
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to win consistently.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But you know, in baseball, you can overspend, you can spend, yes,
but you can't outspend. I mean, you know the Golden
State Warriors did there for a while where they didn't
care about the luxury tax.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
But and then they changed the rules. Yes, right, yeah,
and so yeah, I think I think that part of
it is overstated, right, Like, look, the Lakers were in
the luxury tax. They're repeatedly in the luxury tax. You
can point to a couple of times in recent history
where maybe they cheaped out on something famously kind of
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Alex Caruso is like one of those things. And obviously
that was bad decision, I think. But I mean they're paying.
They're not afraid to fire coaches and keep paying salaries.
I mean, it feels like we do that every two
years out here right now, you know. But that's not
the issue. I will say, when you talk to people
about the Lakers organization around the NBA, generally speaking, the thing,
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the sort of really direct way people describe that is
it's a place that does the big things really well
and the small things really poorly, and the small things
like they've been getting better at some of the smaller things.
But I think it's fair to point to infrastructure when
you talk about small things and like things like beefing
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up a scouting department, you know, putting more money into that,
putting more people on the road stuff like that. You know,
that's where, especially the way the second Apron structured, you've
got to hit on your minimum signings. You have to
hit when you don't have draft picks, you have to
hit on your secon ground picks. They've drafted pretty well.
They've done well with the college cutting. Their prost cutting
needs to get much much better. And I think that's
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a place where Mark Walter can put a lot of
money into it, and I think you can see a difference.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Talking to Dan Woike, the Lakers beat writer for the
LA Times, what kind of moves in the off season
with the Lakers do you see?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, well, I didn't see new owner. I do see
new center. I think new center is the is the
most obvious one I know. You know the Lakers have
spoken with Luka Doncic multiple times kind of what that
could look like. They know that's a position he needs,
they know that's a position they need. Right It's an
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interesting kind of team building exercise for them because they
don't have a ton of assets. Stop me, if you
heard this before about the Lakers. They need to get
better and they don't have a ton of ways to
get there. They have a first round pick, that they
can trade either in twenty thirty one or twenty thirty two.
They have Dalton connect the first round pick from last year.
They've got some pick swops. This is I mean, this
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is what they traded for Mark Williams before they saw
the physical right, So they have some stuff. I would
be looking at centers like kind of like Mark Williams
around the NBA, those that has been sort of their type, right,
So like Jalen and Ayaka Conglu in Atlanta, Walker Kessler
in Utah. These are people that I think they're going
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to try and target young senators who kind of fit
the next future. Now, whether or not any of these
players are available, Dan another thing, and do the Lakers,
you know, if you're not available, Like, do the Lakers
have a ten billion dollar offer to make for Walker Kessler?
They don't, you know, unless they're going to trade Austin Reeves,
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and they've shown no indication that they are going to
trade Austin Reeves. They believe in Austin Reeves. Lukatdagg believes
in Austin Reeves. The best Dallas Maverick teams with Lukadacic
had three things. Generally, they had a good center they
had Athletic Wings, and they had a secondary playmaker Kyrie
Irving Jalen Brunson. So in neither of those guys are
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Tony Allen either, right when it comes to like locking
guys down on the perimeter so it can work. I
think that is sort of where they're at in terms
of trying to figure this out. Athletic Wings definitely.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
A big What about Lebron's future?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I mean, boy, you know, well, we know he's not
retiring via Amazon commercial. He put that to bed, you know,
tease that out last week. He's gonna be back. You know,
I think he is good enough to keep playing. He
has the player option at the end of this month,
early signs where that he would accept it. He may
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opt out and resign as an unrestricted free agent and
again kind of play this sort of signed me for
a two year extension, give me an option on the
back of that. You know, it's all signed points and
finishing his career as a Laker, and he's not done.
He was an All NBA player last year, played some
of the best defense I've seen him play as a Laker.
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For a stretch, kind of that January to March stretch,
then got hurt. I think the knee injury Dan is
an interesting injury. It's an interesting thing for him. He
hasn't really dealt with something like this. And so you know,
as a forty year old, I'm a guy who woke
up this morning with a sore elbow. Somehow like this
happens at age Dan, And yeah, you know, I think
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he's gonna take his time and get to one hundred percent.
It's but yeah, I mean, e's a part of their plans.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Good to talk to you. I know you're on vacation,
but I don't know if you're ever truly the surface
of the sun here in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Dan, it's it's a two and fifty degrees.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
You're not truly on vacation if you cover the Lakers.
Never never, not allowed to be Thank you, Dan, thankes
that Dan Witki.
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Speaker 2 (09:46):
Brendan Haywood won a championship with the Mavericks. He works
for NBA TV. Should I read into that? Brendon that
Tyrese Haliburton isn't part of the promotional aspect of Game six.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I think you can.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
I'm not saying definitely for sure, but there probably is
a little bit of skepticism on the pacer side.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
This is their superstar.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
We're talking about a calf type injury, and anytime you
start going to that caf type injury and trying to
play through it, you have to think all the way
back to what happened.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
To Kevin Durant when he played through.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
His And sometimes even though it's the NBA Finals, even
though it's a huge moment, you have to think big
picture and if this is a serious calf injury, you
do not want a calf injury to turn.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Into something a lot more serious.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
I'm not one hundred percent sure, but there's definitely conversations
being had right now about Tyre's Halliburn's health because he
did not look right in Game five.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Could you see a scenario where he doesn't play tonight.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
If he goes out there and he tests the calf
and he can't move well, then you have to shut
him down, no matter how big the game is. If
we go back to what happened earlier in these playoffs.
I'm sure Steph Curry wanted to play. It's Grade one
and a half hamstring injury. You have to protect the player,
sometimes from himself, and you have to think about long
term of what could happen if you come back and
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you're not right and you do more damage to a
soft tissue.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Injury could be a good thing for the Pacers if
he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Play, Absolutely not, absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
They need Tyre's Halliburn man, and they need him healthy too,
not just out.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
There with his jersey on.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
They need him out there creating a problem, pushing tempo,
getting in the pick and roll, getting downhill, getting.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Two feet in the paint.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
He doesn't always have to score it, but he has
to be a part of the problem. And if he's
not right or not able to play, it's going to
be really tough. Just look at what this OKC team
is done defensively as far as turning the Pacers over,
Think about how many turnover Think about how me turnovers
they'll have they'll.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Force if Tyre's Halliburn doesn't play.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, but if I have TJ McConnell out there handling
the ball, then I keep it away from nemhard and
Nie Smith because they were a turnover you know, they
were turning the ball over there, and I wonder, I
don't want him out there if he's fifty or sixty percent,
you to be a hero and be it. And he
was a detriment to the team in the second half
of that last game. I was surprised that Rick Carlisle
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put him out there. You're down double digits at halftime.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Well, you also have to understand guys get used to
certain things, and you look at you look at a
guy like nim Hard, Nie Smith, more importantly, TJ McConnell.
You just brought him up. He's used to playing a
certain amount of minutes. He plays with a certain level
of energy. He's always pushing and probing. He's not used
to playing forty minutes, forty five minutes, and so like
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he's exhausted after that third quarter he was he's tired.
So now it's like, Okay, we're trying to get Halliburton.
Then maybe we'll get McConnell back in the game. But
the problem with Halliburton not playing is that it puts
everybody in a different role. So now you look at
a guy like TJ.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
McConnell.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Instead of him being the energy guy. Now he has
to come in and start right away. Now who's going
to be the point guard behind him? Now we're getting
even deeper into the pacers bench, and that's what the
problem is. But I do agree with you, if Haller
Burdon is fifty percent, he should He probably shouldn't go
out there because he probably can't help the team.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Who does SGA remind you of?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
He not apples for apples, but if you look at
what he does in the mid range, a lot of
times he has the footwork of Kobe. I'm not saying
he's Kobe. I don't want to pay on Twitter coming
from me. I know, I know how people how sensitive
people get about their stars from back in the day.
But when you look at the footwork, the up and unders,
the pump fakes and everything else, he reminds me of Kobe,
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and he lives in that mid range like a Kobe.
Kobe wasn't really a great three point shoot if you
look at the numbers, but man, what he did in
the mid range with special and that's kind of what
Sga reminds me of, but a new school version because
he's more he's like a point guard as well.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
And Moan Schumpert was with us yesterday and he said,
Kobe as well.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I mean it's easy to see.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I mean there's some there's some there's some video out there,
the footwork side by side, and you're like, wow, it's scary.
You can tell that he studied Kobe Bryant. He watched
a lot of what Kobe does, and he's just perfected
that mid range game. Shout out to Sam Cassell who
actually started him down that path his rookie year when
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he was with the Clippers, and Sam was one of
the best mid range guys from back in the day.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
And Sga has always worked.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
On his mid range game ever since Sam Cassell put
him in that space, and it's really really showing today.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
So you played with Lebron, played with Michael, played against Kobe? Yeah,
how would how would you assess those players?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
All great players.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Kobe and Michael are winning the same as far as game, mentality,
everything else. Lebron is a different entity, not better, not worse,
but his thought process and how he sees the game
is different. Kobe and Michael Carbon copies Lebron. Lebron is different.
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And even how he from the way he plays the game,
the way he sees the game, the way he goes
about things on and off the court. You know, Michael,
Michael and Kobe are cutthroat. You know, if you ain't
if you can't help Michael Jordan win, he really ain't
got no time for I'm trying to tell you I
saw that first hand.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
If you can't help Michael Jordan win basketball.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Game, he don't have any time for you, and he
will say it directly to your face. Lebron James is
a little bit more diplomatic. He might send you a
subtle a subtle message. He might try to see if
you'll slowly pick it up. And I got to see
that first hand with him and Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters,
and he he was trying to coach them to see
if they would eventually figure out how to win at
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this level.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Mike's not that tight.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
But we keep trying to make that comparison or that
argument and it's Michael, it's Lebron. Can you make a
case that Kobe is every bit the equal that Michael
is and then maybe he should be involved in that
discussion as well.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Man, Dan, you're gonna get me a trouble.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
You know, you know how sensitive people are about their guy.
I love Kobe Bryant, rest in peace. One of the
best players that I ever played against. But when you
start nitpicking the stars, you probably can't put Kobe in
the same level as Michael and Lebron when you look
at the total MVPs, when you look at just even
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when you look at the finals, go you have to
go look at some of Kobe's earlies, finals performances against
the nets that wasn't really great.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
You know, he had big fellow with him early on
in his career.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I mean that that counts for a lot when you
got the when you got the big dog in there,
he was the Shaq was the MVP of the first
three finals.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
So I love Kobe.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
He is top ten for sure, But I think when
you talk about the best three players of all time,
it's actually not it's Mike Brown and Kareem.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
In my opinion, yeah, Kareem might be the greatest player
of all time. If I factor in high school, college,
in the NBA, he might be the greatest greatest player.
You know, single handedly had a move that was unstoppable
and he won everywhere that he went and I kind
of find him underrated. Brandon, it's weird to say that
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we kind of forget because Kareem won a title and
it really wasn't you know when when Larry and Magic
came in, that's when TV started, and then Mike came in,
and you know, it just changed the NBA. Those who
played prior to that, some of those championships and their
greatness was lost.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yeah, you know, like I said, Kareem, you know, he
had the championship in Milwaukee. Then, like you talked about.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Magic and Larry took the game to another level.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
And then you also have to look at the fact
that Kareem wasn't loved by the media, so he doesn't
get he never got the same push, you know, And
so it's different now.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
There was no Internet and there was no Twitter or
anything else like that.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Media had to push you to a certain degree, and
Kareem didn't have that love, so he didn't get pushed
quite like some of the other stars back in the day.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, don't get it twisted.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Like you said, that's a good point.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Was unstoppable.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, that's a great point that Kareem didn't care if
you liked him and he didn't go out of his
way to curry favorite. We're talking to Brendan Haywood. He's
working for NBA TV. You were a teammate of Dirk
Noavisky his forty seventh birthday to day.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Oh Man, Happy birthday, dirt getting oh Man, I know that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
What's your favorite Dirk Novitsky story?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
My favorite Dirk story?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And how many news did you take to your chest
when you were trying to guard him with that fade
away jumper of his.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I never really, you know what, he never really had
a meeting in the chest.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
He used to just get in my body and fade away,
and it used to just frustrate me that he would
get that jumper off on me.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
But I think my favorite Dirk story is.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
We're in the NBA Finals. It's before the finals, and
because it was, it's my favorite story because it's not
really who Dirk is. He has that quiet confidence, but
the way he said it made me look at him like, okay,
big fellas really with the smoke and we're taking on
the Big Three and we're talking about the game. We're
in the locker room, we're talking about the matchup. We're
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going against the Heatos, obviously Lebron, d Wade, and Chris
Bosh and we're like, yeah, what we're gonna do to
stop the Big Three? And he's just like that ain't
no Big three and we kind of look at him,
We're like, what do you mean. He's like, I'm look
at it like that. If they were really a big
three and offseason, they would have came and got me.
And I was like, okay, because Dirk don't talk like
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that so like and he really meant it, and at
that time I didn't know he kind of had like
a simmering beef with d Wade from six.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
And the guys kind of caught me up on it, like, yeah,
he don't.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Really have no love for d Wade, And so like
to see Dirk in that space and then to go
out there and do what he did.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
In the finals.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Man, that was That's my favorite Dirk story because him
talking like that is out of character for him, and
I like him in that space.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
What's it like when you're behind shack and somebody lobs
it in and you know that he's going to get
the ball and then he's going to turn right into
your chest.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
It is the worst fling.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Like it's the worst feeling in the world guarding Prime Shack.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Prime Shack.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I mean dam I because when I first got into
the league, Shack was in LA and then in Miami. Hey,
I never had fun in those cities because I never
went out for the first And God's like, Yo, we're.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Going out to night.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I'm like, I'll see y'all. I got a little something
to deal with tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I can't go out. I will be embedded at nine.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
O'clock because you have to be ready for Shack. You
have to try to beat him down the court, beat
him to space. But when you answer your question, if
he catches the ball in the paint with two feet
and you're behind him, you better wrap him up. Because
big Fella back in the day was an absolute problem.
He was gonna dunk that thing. And the good thing
for me is when I first got into the league,
obviously I played with MJ. So in those games, Kobe
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would always be trying to prove a point to MJ.
So Shaq would wasn't even getting the ball as much
then because Kobe was trying to go off like and
so I was like, at least it's not my guy,
you know, I think he hit us for like forty
in like a half in LA one time.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
So it was crazy. He was trying to let Mike
know that he's the next one.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
So a lot of times Shaq didn't even get to
get the ball sometimes early on in my career.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So Kobe's going at Mike when Mike is at the
end of his career with the Wizards.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Actually Stackhouse is guarding Kobe, and I love stack but
there was nothing he.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Could do with Kobe that night. I mean it was
just he was.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
On one because you could tell he was He's playing
against Mike, and he wants to let Mike know and
almost kind of like how ant Man wanted to let
Kevin Durant know what.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Was up last year. That's how it was.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
But it's just we're watching it and it's we just
can't believe this dude is going. Jerry Stackhouse is playing
excellent defense. Kobe's is just Kobe is just in one
of those zones. Nothing Stacked I can deal with him,
And uh, Kobe, I want to say he dropped four
if it's not forty with thirty five, but between thirty
five and forty and a half on.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Us, what's the best performance you ever witnessed.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Carmelo Anthony sixty points when I played for the Charlotte Hountins.
Did you Carmelo?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Did you guard him?
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
No, Oh no, Mike Gilchris, Oh, you know what, I'm
tripping Tracy McGrady.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I forgot. I forgot Tracy McGrady had I think he
what was Tracy?
Speaker 5 (22:25):
It's either Carmelo or Tracy. Tracy had sixty plus on
US two and Carmelo. And that was when Tracy was
in Orlando and Carmelo had sixty on US. When I
would uh in the garden, I would probably say Carmelo's
because it was all mid range jumpers and Michael Kik
Gilchris got probably about forty of those and so, and
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when Carmelo.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Gets hot, there's nothing.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
It's all jab series, jabs, pump fakes, step through spin move.
It's when Carmelo has sixty, it's a lowed it's a
lowed sixty because it's all one on one ice, So
nobody's creating any for him. He is getting it all
out the mud and it is.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
A long night.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
We've had Jalen Rose on whenever it's you know, the
eighty one point anniversary with Kobe, and so we called
him all the time and he says I didn't guard
him the whole game. He goes people make it seem
like Kobe got eighty one on me when they were
playing Toronto.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah, listen, you might not have guarded the whole game.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
But if somebody gets drops eighty and like, let's just
say twenty five to thirty of them were on you,
people are gonna act like the whole eighty.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
One with on you.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Just kind of like, well, I'm talking about Carmelo, Michael
Ki Gilkers didn't get the whole sixty, but he had
to get out thirty or forty of them, thirty to
forty out of sixties.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
It just feels like a long night.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
I'm still trying to figure out why we didn't start
doubling the triple TV, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Still bothers you. Hey, great to talk to you. Thanks
for joining us, Brendon.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I mean, thanks man, appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Brendan Haywood.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
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Speaker 2 (24:07):
Talk some football, Mark Sanchez, NFL and Fox analysts, former
NFL quarterback. Let me start with the Steelers. Best case
scenario for Pittsburgh this year is going to be what
in your opinion?
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Well, I got to check in Dan six to two
and a quarter two forty.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Five getting a little heavier, aren't we.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Yeah, twins will do that to you. And I've been starium.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I might as well. You should see me all right,
I've been.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Carrying him a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, why is your playing weight?
Speaker 6 (24:41):
I was like two twenty eight to two thirty five
right in there, so we're good ten pounds over.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, Brady still looks the same.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Well, I don't want to sleep in a crypt and
sell my soul to the devil. And I'm just the
dude's an incredib shape and high to the dan Nettes.
And you know what it's really been. I think it's
been celebrating my bracketology knowledge from the college basketball tournament,
and you know, the parades and ribbon cuttings and events.
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I'm like America's guests right now.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
It's incredible how much you know about college basketball.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
A lot of good food, you know, I might get
go out the way I'm living like this, this is nice,
you know, But for the Steelers, toot, it's it's such
a unique situation, right because they're they're this blue collar organization.
Everything's in house, you know, they they they they keep
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everything tight, and they rarely go poach a superstar and
add them to what they have going on. It's different.
You guys are talking about the sale of the Lakers
and stuff. Well, the Lakers are known to go grab
a superstar and bring them under the Lakers banner, and
they're still one of the most iconic brands around the world.
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Shaquille O'Neal. You know, these different players that they brought
Lebron James, they made their name somewhere else. So Aaron
Rodgers made his name somewhere else in a blue collar
city in Green Bay, and then kind of outgrew that relationship.
I guess right, They kind of part of mutually. Whatever
goes to New York doesn't work out perfectly, tough media market,
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and now he's got to kind of be in this
blue collar town. The only thing that bridges that gap
because everybody's so scared about that because there's no numbers
right now, right, nobody's producing anything right now, there's no
games so everybody's just speculating, like, well, can he fit in?
Can he fit in? Culture fit? Culture fit? He's too counterculture.
He's not one of us. He's not a Steeler, you know,
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and there's us versus them mentality when you're with the Steelers.
Look at the terrible towels, look at all that, right,
So they have that culture. The only thing that bridges
that gap is his production. And if he produced the
way he produced last year, the last ten games he
was on a heater, he single handedly basically kept the
Jets playoff hopes alive. They lost about going back and
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watching some of their games, they lost about three games
just with special teams alone, just field goal kicking specifically
along so those three games at the end of the year.
I mean, I'm not like the president of Aaron Rodgers
fan club or anything, but damn dude, the guy played
his ass off. He threw it for like thirty nine
hundred yards or just near whatever. It was twenty eight touchdowns,
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eleven picks. The last ten weeks was eighteen touchdowns, four picks.
I mean, put it this way, the Vikings would get
if you could tell the Vikings right now. JJ McCarthy's
gonna have Aaron Rodgers statline from last year they would
sign that deal in blood immediately, immediately. So I mean, listen,
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the guy did all that at forty one years old,
coming off of an achilles, with a defense that they
thought was better and didn't quite pan out, a special
teams that was rough, you know, to be nice about it,
I don't. I don't dislike the move. I think it's
I think it's probably the right spot. You're always gonna
get a team that's that's tough, hard nosed, blue collar,
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and they're gonna put you in good situations. They're gonna
handle all the media stuff. They can handle some of
the stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
You know.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Yeah, Aaron might say something here or there. Okay, he's
a little different. He's not your average you know, your
candid line. Hey, we got to bring our a game
and we didn't do that today. That's not his interview. Okay, fine.
So what I think the culture of that place and
his production most importantly, can can bridge that gap and
they can be successful.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I think people have a problem with the person and
not the player. And that's where I always say to people,
you may not like that person, but do you like
the player? Because that's that's the bottom line. The great
equalizer is when you get on the field, what can
you do. It's like, you know, you may not like
shudor Sanders' personality, but if he can play when he
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gets on the field, that's all that matters. Production, yes, for.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Production breeds tolerance. Yes, winning cures warts. Like that's what
happened that people allow a lot if their teams win.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I'm trying to understand what the Bengals are doing because
it's kind of counterculture that they're all offense. They're going
all in and we're just going to score, because it
doesn't seem like defense is a priority. How does this work?
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Here's my thing. Everybody seems to have to play by
the same rules, right, everybody's got the salary cap, everybody
has the same number of players that they can sign.
And certain teams, just like we talked about culture, whether
it's basketball or football, the Steelers, Lakers, Bangles, certain teams
find themselves in these public kind of nasty negotiations, and
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certain teams don't. The Bengals are notorious for this, like
it's just always happening. The cowboy. If Dak Prescott has
a leaky Fawcet in his basement. People find out about it.
It's just kind of the way it is in New York.
You know, no matter what you do trying to prove
to your team that you know you're this quarterback. It's
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about football and you're trying to win games. You go
out to a dinner and happen to be with somebody famous. Well,
oh dude, he's just out on the town every night.
Well is that the truth? I don't know. So okay,
some of it's regional coverage, some of it's the team,
some of it's the organization, the leadership, and the culture
within that place. But let's not forget Carson Palmer literally
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walked away from the game of football because he was
so frustrated with this organization. And they've notoriously underpaid some
of their players or offered such low contracts that people
are like, dude, I'm out of here. Whether it's Whitworth
and Tackle or whoever. You know, guys are just like,
come on, man like, and everybody has to deal with it.
So I don't understand. But when we go back to production,
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this guy's producing better than anybody in the league the
last couple of years. Made a name for himself in
New Orleans on his rookie contract, played that contract out
opposite of Cam Jordan down there and gets a huge
contract and Cincy and now it's time for the next
version of that contract, the next iteration of that contract.
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And it sounds like they're upset over the length of
the contract and the number. But whatever it is, I mean,
you can't let he can't let guys like that walk
out of the building. And you know he's not going
to want to take too much less based on his production.
And if you're going to pay all these other guys,
are you just going to score fifty points a game?
Is it going to look like the old Big twelve?
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You score fifty and give up forty nine? Like, I
guess we'll hold on your hat. But this guy's share
helps on defense and gets your quarterback the ball back.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Well, your first round pick is not in camp either,
but you know, an edge rusher as well, So it
felt like, you know what you get this guy who
who was an underachiever in college. But Stuart does have
the potential. Hendrickson has proven that. You know, he's given
you seventeen and a half sacks and on average, the
last two years. Now you have some defense, and you've
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got all of that offense. I don't care how much
offense you got. At some point you got to stop somebody,
and Cincinnati's I mean, this philosophy is really counterculture. I
also wanted to ask you about you start a rookie
quarterback or that, at what point do you get to? Now?
I'm going to put you in how much damage can
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be done to a rookie quarterback when you get into
a situation that maybe you shouldn't be playing in.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Yeah, it's a fragile psyche, and there's there's different ways
to approach it. Obviously, I have my own experience. My
experience is shape off of the year before me being drafted,
when Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco make the playoffs as rookies.
Before that, it was rare for a rookie to just
(33:11):
go out and start right. Carson Palmer waited behind Kitna
for a year, you know, and he was picked number
one overall, So that was kind of the mode before.
Let him listen, let them watch, let him learn. How
do I come up with a pregame routine? How do
I dress when we go on road trips? What's my
routine at the hotel. What do I eat? All these
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kind of little things, not just learning plays and positions
and defensive fronts and blitzes. You got a lot of
other things to learn, just an awareness thing. So it
depends on the player, I think number one. And then
it depends largely on the supporting cast. If you have
the supporting cast that can carry the weight of a
rookie when they don't play as well as they should
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in certain situations. And I was there. I mean, we
were in a game against the Bills and through five
interceptions and we almost kicked the game winning field goal
with Jay Feely, who's now running for Congress. Apparently I
got a message about that kind of crazy.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Sorry, but.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
We're in the game with five turnovers. I mean, I'm
not helping us win. If anything, they're winning in spite
of me. So those kind of things are going to happen. Now,
if you have an established starter like a Russell Wilson
or a Jameis Winston or whatever's going on with the Giants,
and then they're gonna get their shot, and if it
doesn't work out, then you bring the rookie in. To me,
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that's a little bit like free reps and less pressure,
and we're not like trying for a playoff spot. It's
almost like pick up basketball. And there's a very fine line.
I want you to go get the conditioning. I want
you to go get some shots off. You're gonna get
fouled a little harder than you probably should in a
real game with true rules instead of people just calling
(34:55):
their own fouls. But I also don't want you to
develop a bunch of bad habits, right, I want this
to turn into an and one mixtape where you're just
dribbling the ball all over the place thinking you're the professor. Like,
it doesn't work like that. I want you to still
play quarterback for our team and get some of these reps.
We're gonna watch all these reps after the year and
then take the good from them, keep moving on, keep progressing.
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So there's different ways to approach it. But if you
have the supporting cast that knows, that's mature enough to
know and talented enough to know, hey, we're gonna have
to pick up some slack for this guy who's gonna
have a couple of rough outings, like some bad, bad outings,
then okay, and we're not going to turn on them.
You can't turn on them because as soon as you
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turn on them, you lose the kid. You know, you
got to remember, these guys are twenty one to twenty
two years old and the face of the franchise, and
they were just at a frat party, you know, going
to invites and you know, winning their bowl games and
big man on campus. And now you're the face of
a franchise. You're still twenty two years old, making all
(35:57):
this money, and you're supposed to have the discernment and
and you know, intelligence of a Supreme Court justice, and
it's just not reality. You're still a kid. You just
have a lot more money and a lot more access
to really cool stuff, and you've got to be more
mature then you're really expected to be at that age.
So it's a tricky, tricky situation. I think it depends
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on the player and the supporting cast.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
What was that like, you've thrown five interceptions. What's it
like when that next play comes in and it's a pass?
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Well, yeah, it's so funny. I was of the mind that, like,
just get me another quick completion, even if it's a
called run and we have like a little bubble screen
or something attached to the run. Just get me the
ball in my hand so I could feel the little
dimples on that Wilson ball on the duke and just
flick it to somebody quickly and get the taste out
(36:50):
of my mouth and move on. And then I would
always revert back to a Pete Carroll story that he
told me, and he's like, you can't be afraid to
throw the next interception, Like you got to keep fighting.
You got to keep chucking the ball, not recklessly, but
you got to keep chucking the ball. And he went
to a speech or an event with Rick Berry.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I think he was true literally that you weren't a
thread afraid to throw an interception that day.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
No, you can't. Well no, but he went to this
talk with Rick Barry. I'll say it fast, but I
know we got to go. But Rick Berry basically gives
this speech and Pete's a young coach and he runs
over to him and he says, Rick Rick, I just
I love what you said. I'm a big fan with
what do you do when you miss your first ten shots?
And Rick Berry immediately like, I mean, he was known
(37:42):
to be pretty brash, and he was kind of a Dick,
you know. But he was a hell of a competitor
and great basketball player. But he basically looked at him
and said, you know, I'm a whatever percentage shooter, like
forty percent shooter. He goes, if I missed my first
ten shots, you better look out because the next.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Ten are going in. You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
Like that was his mentality. So Pete used to give
us that speech and remind us, listen, you go out
and throw three picks in the first quarter. Well you're
a three to one touchdown to interception kind of guy.
That's the kind of quarterbacks we groom here. So can
you throw three right away out of the gate? Defense?
Better watch out? You know what I mean. That day,
maybe not against Buffalo, but it all evens out.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Good to catch up with you. I hope it's a
great summer and we'll catch up with you soon again.
Appreciate you guys, Thanks, thank you, And that's Mark Sanchez.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Ten billion dollars? Why now? Genie Buss the family sells
the Lakers to Mark Walter, the part of the Dodger
ownership for ten billion dollars, Dan Wiki. He is the
Lakers beat writer La Times joining us on the program. Dan,
Thanks for joining us. Why sell? Why sell now?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
The only answer I've been able to come up with
at this point is ten billion dollars. That's the answer,
and it's it's an interesting thing because that'll be the
thing that we learn here over the next few weeks,
few months and stuff. No one from the Lakers is
still set a peep about this, right match Johnson kind
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of was the de facto spoke person. He's the person
that has, you know, hands in the Mark Walter cap.
Obviously very close to Genie Buss. So we don't totally
know why. Here's what we do know. We know that
to sell the team the way that the ownership thing
is structured, after doctor Jerry Buss died, a majority of
his six children needed to vote to sell, and that
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majority never existed until yesterday. So that that is I
think the interesting thing, right, is that always Genie was
running the team. You know, Jim was involved with the team.
He was the sort of executive Bath Operations famously tried
to sue his sister to try to like wrestle control
of the team in twenty seventeen. The older siblings Johnny
(01:33):
and Janey not that involved. And you know, but but
Joey Buss runs the you know, Salta team, Jesse Buss
involved in the scouting department. These are people that have
day to day roles with the organization, and you know,
so I think that's kind of what what we're learning
here a little bit is sort of how this played
out that way. It's an interesting not to get like
(01:55):
weigh in the weeds on like trust law, but it's
an interesting like part of the way their ownership was
structured was always sort of inevitable. The way the deal
is structured. Dan was that you know, this to sound morbid,
and I apologize, but if the oldest Bus sibling were
to die, it's not like those shares go to next
of kin. The tie just gets smaller. It goes from
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being cut six ways to being cut five ways, and
then it goes to being cut four ways, and it
keeps getting smaller. And smaller and smaller, sort of a
last person standing type of situation, you know, and these
are people genies in her mid sixties and stuff like that.
It just it's a lot of money, Dan, it's a
lot of money.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
What's it mean for the Laker fan?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I think it's probably good news. It's a little less charming, right.
I think that was one of the things about the
Laker organization, especially if you were around the team and
you're a fan who goes to games and you see,
you know, Genie bus and you could used to be
able to tweet it her a lot when she was
really active on social media. It was like very She's
a very public person. I mean, it's a family business.
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It truly is a family business, and I think it
will lose that And I'm not sure that's like good
in total for a league that is losing this all
the time because the money is just getting bigger and
bigger and bigger. But I mean, I think we can
it's fair to look to the Dodgers, right, And I'm
not I'm not suggesting they're going to pay sho hey
o Tani, you know, tw million dollars to play center
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next season, Like that's not how this really works.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
In the NBA.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
But what you can do is you can pour that
money into everything else. You can pour that money into
your bench, you can pour that money int your analytics department.
You can pour that money into development, pour that money
into the arena. You know, the Lakers. That's another crazy
part of this deal, Dan, The Lakers don't own property.
It is like a brand, right, that is what you're
buying a lot of times when these evaluations come up
for teams, it's you know, they own their arena. Part
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of the Warriors evaluation is they've got a huge piece
of real estate, you know, right on the Bay. That's
not the Lakers. The Lakers are at least the play
inside of Crypto dot com. Like, so this is a
deal for the brand. But I think it's fair to
think that Mark Walter, the way that they've operated the Dodgers,
they're going to pour money into this in all the
places they can to give the team the best chance
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to win consistently.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But you know, in baseball, you can overspend, you can spend, yes,
but you can't outspend. I mean, you know the Golden
State Warriors did there for a while where they didn't
care about the luxury tax.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
But and then they changed the rules. Yes, right, yeah,
and so yeah, I think I think that part of
it is overstated, right, Like, look, the Lakers were in
the luxury tax. They're repeatedly in the luxury tax. You
can point to a couple of times in recent history
where maybe they cheaped out on something famously kind of
(04:44):
Alex Caruso is like one of those things. And obviously
that was bad decision, I think. But I mean they're paying.
They're not afraid to fire coaches and keep paying salaries.
I mean, it feels like we do that every two
years out here right now, you know. But that's not
the issue. I will say, when you talk to people
about the Lakers organization around the NBA, generally speaking, the thing,
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the sort of really direct way people describe that is
it's a place that does the big things really well
and the small things really poorly, and the small things
like they've been getting better at some of the smaller things.
But I think it's fair to point to infrastructure when
you talk about small things and like things like beefing
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up a scouting department, you know, putting more money into that,
putting more people on the road stuff like that. You know,
that's where, especially the way the second Apron structured, you've
got to hit on your minimum signings. You have to
hit when you don't have draft picks, you have to
hit on your secon ground picks. They've drafted pretty well.
They've done well with the college cutting. Their prost cutting
needs to get much much better. And I think that's
(05:49):
a place where Mark Walter can put a lot of
money into it, and I think you can see a difference.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Talking to Dan Woike, the Lakers beat writer for the
LA Times, what kind of moves in the off season
with the Lakers do you see?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, well, I didn't see new owner. I do see
new center. I think new center is the is the
most obvious one I know. You know the Lakers have
spoken with Luka Doncic multiple times kind of what that
could look like. They know that's a position he needs,
they know that's a position they need. Right It's an
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interesting kind of team building exercise for them because they
don't have a ton of assets. Stop me, if you
heard this before about the Lakers. They need to get
better and they don't have a ton of ways to
get there. They have a first round pick, that they
can trade either in twenty thirty one or twenty thirty two.
They have Dalton connect the first round pick from last year.
They've got some pick swops. This is I mean, this
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is what they traded for Mark Williams before they saw
the physical right, So they have some stuff. I would
be looking at centers like kind of like Mark Williams
around the NBA, those that has been sort of their type, right,
So like Jalen and Ayaka Conglu in Atlanta, Walker Kessler
in Utah. These are people that I think they're going
(07:06):
to try and target young senators who kind of fit
the next future. Now, whether or not any of these
players are available, Dan another thing, and do the Lakers,
you know, if you're not available, Like, do the Lakers
have a ten billion dollar offer to make for Walker Kessler?
They don't, you know, unless they're going to trade Austin Reeves,
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and they've shown no indication that they are going to
trade Austin Reeves. They believe in Austin Reeves. Lukatdagg believes
in Austin Reeves. The best Dallas Maverick teams with Lukadacic
had three things. Generally, they had a good center they
had Athletic Wings, and they had a secondary playmaker Kyrie
Irving Jalen Brunson. So in neither of those guys are
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Tony Allen either, right when it comes to like locking
guys down on the perimeter so it can work. I
think that is sort of where they're at in terms
of trying to figure this out. Athletic Wings definitely.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
A big What about Lebron's future?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I mean, boy, you know, well, we know he's not
retiring via Amazon commercial. He put that to bed, you know,
tease that out last week. He's gonna be back. You know,
I think he is good enough to keep playing. He
has the player option at the end of this month,
early signs where that he would accept it. He may
(08:26):
opt out and resign as an unrestricted free agent and
again kind of play this sort of signed me for
a two year extension, give me an option on the
back of that. You know, it's all signed points and
finishing his career as a Laker, and he's not done.
He was an All NBA player last year, played some
of the best defense I've seen him play as a Laker.
(08:47):
For a stretch, kind of that January to March stretch,
then got hurt. I think the knee injury Dan is
an interesting injury. It's an interesting thing for him. He
hasn't really dealt with something like this. And so you know,
as a forty year old, I'm a guy who woke
up this morning with a sore elbow. Somehow like this
happens at age Dan, And yeah, you know, I think
(09:10):
he's gonna take his time and get to one hundred percent.
It's but yeah, I mean, e's a part of their plans.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Good to talk to you. I know you're on vacation,
but I don't know if you're ever truly the surface
of the sun here in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Dan, it's it's a two and fifty degrees.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
You're not truly on vacation if you cover the Lakers.
Never never, not allowed to be Thank you, Dan, thankes
that Dan Witki.
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Speaker 2 (09:46):
Brendan Haywood won a championship with the Mavericks. He works
for NBA TV. Should I read into that? Brendon that
Tyrese Haliburton isn't part of the promotional aspect of Game six.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I think you can.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
I'm not saying definitely for sure, but there probably is
a little bit of skepticism on the pacer side.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
This is their superstar.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
We're talking about a calf type injury, and anytime you
start going to that caf type injury and trying to
play through it, you have to think all the way
back to what happened.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
To Kevin Durant when he played through.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
His And sometimes even though it's the NBA Finals, even
though it's a huge moment, you have to think big
picture and if this is a serious calf injury, you
do not want a calf injury to turn.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Into something a lot more serious.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
I'm not one hundred percent sure, but there's definitely conversations
being had right now about Tyre's Halliburn's health because he
did not look right in Game five.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Could you see a scenario where he doesn't play tonight.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
If he goes out there and he tests the calf
and he can't move well, then you have to shut
him down, no matter how big the game is. If
we go back to what happened earlier in these playoffs.
I'm sure Steph Curry wanted to play. It's Grade one
and a half hamstring injury. You have to protect the player,
sometimes from himself, and you have to think about long
term of what could happen if you come back and
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you're not right and you do more damage to a
soft tissue.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Injury could be a good thing for the Pacers if
he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Play, Absolutely not, absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
They need Tyre's Halliburn man, and they need him healthy too,
not just out.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
There with his jersey on.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
They need him out there creating a problem, pushing tempo,
getting in the pick and roll, getting downhill, getting.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Two feet in the paint.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
He doesn't always have to score it, but he has
to be a part of the problem. And if he's
not right or not able to play, it's going to
be really tough. Just look at what this OKC team
is done defensively as far as turning the Pacers over,
Think about how many turnover Think about how me turnovers
they'll have they'll.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Force if Tyre's Halliburn doesn't play.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, but if I have TJ McConnell out there handling
the ball, then I keep it away from nemhard and
Nie Smith because they were a turnover you know, they
were turning the ball over there, and I wonder, I
don't want him out there if he's fifty or sixty percent,
you to be a hero and be it. And he
was a detriment to the team in the second half
of that last game. I was surprised that Rick Carlisle
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put him out there. You're down double digits at halftime.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Well, you also have to understand guys get used to
certain things, and you look at you look at a
guy like nim Hard, Nie Smith, more importantly, TJ McConnell.
You just brought him up. He's used to playing a
certain amount of minutes. He plays with a certain level
of energy. He's always pushing and probing. He's not used
to playing forty minutes, forty five minutes, and so like
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he's exhausted after that third quarter he was he's tired.
So now it's like, Okay, we're trying to get Halliburton.
Then maybe we'll get McConnell back in the game. But
the problem with Halliburton not playing is that it puts
everybody in a different role. So now you look at
a guy like TJ.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
McConnell.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Instead of him being the energy guy. Now he has
to come in and start right away. Now who's going
to be the point guard behind him? Now we're getting
even deeper into the pacers bench, and that's what the
problem is. But I do agree with you, if Haller
Burdon is fifty percent, he should He probably shouldn't go
out there because he probably can't help the team.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Who does SGA remind you of?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
He not apples for apples, but if you look at
what he does in the mid range, a lot of
times he has the footwork of Kobe. I'm not saying
he's Kobe. I don't want to pay on Twitter coming
from me. I know, I know how people how sensitive
people get about their stars from back in the day.
But when you look at the footwork, the up and unders,
the pump fakes and everything else, he reminds me of Kobe,
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and he lives in that mid range like a Kobe.
Kobe wasn't really a great three point shoot if you
look at the numbers, but man, what he did in
the mid range with special and that's kind of what
Sga reminds me of, but a new school version because
he's more he's like a point guard as well.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
And Moan Schumpert was with us yesterday and he said,
Kobe as well.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I mean it's easy to see.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I mean there's some there's some there's some video out there,
the footwork side by side, and you're like, wow, it's scary.
You can tell that he studied Kobe Bryant. He watched
a lot of what Kobe does, and he's just perfected
that mid range game. Shout out to Sam Cassell who
actually started him down that path his rookie year when
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he was with the Clippers, and Sam was one of
the best mid range guys from back in the day.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
And Sga has always worked.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
On his mid range game ever since Sam Cassell put
him in that space, and it's really really showing today.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
So you played with Lebron, played with Michael, played against Kobe? Yeah,
how would how would you assess those players?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
All great players.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Kobe and Michael are winning the same as far as game, mentality,
everything else. Lebron is a different entity, not better, not worse,
but his thought process and how he sees the game
is different. Kobe and Michael Carbon copies Lebron. Lebron is different.
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And even how he from the way he plays the game,
the way he sees the game, the way he goes
about things on and off the court. You know, Michael,
Michael and Kobe are cutthroat. You know, if you ain't
if you can't help Michael Jordan win, he really ain't
got no time for I'm trying to tell you I
saw that first hand.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
If you can't help Michael Jordan win basketball.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Game, he don't have any time for you, and he
will say it directly to your face. Lebron James is
a little bit more diplomatic. He might send you a
subtle a subtle message. He might try to see if
you'll slowly pick it up. And I got to see
that first hand with him and Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters,
and he he was trying to coach them to see
if they would eventually figure out how to win at
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this level.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Mike's not that tight.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
But we keep trying to make that comparison or that
argument and it's Michael, it's Lebron. Can you make a
case that Kobe is every bit the equal that Michael
is and then maybe he should be involved in that
discussion as well.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Man, Dan, you're gonna get me a trouble.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
You know, you know how sensitive people are about their guy.
I love Kobe Bryant, rest in peace. One of the
best players that I ever played against. But when you
start nitpicking the stars, you probably can't put Kobe in
the same level as Michael and Lebron when you look
at the total MVPs, when you look at just even
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when you look at the finals, go you have to
go look at some of Kobe's earlies, finals performances against
the nets that wasn't really great.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
You know, he had big fellow with him early on
in his career.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I mean that that counts for a lot when you
got the when you got the big dog in there,
he was the Shaq was the MVP of the first
three finals.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
So I love Kobe.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
He is top ten for sure, But I think when
you talk about the best three players of all time,
it's actually not it's Mike Brown and Kareem.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
In my opinion, yeah, Kareem might be the greatest player
of all time. If I factor in high school, college,
in the NBA, he might be the greatest greatest player.
You know, single handedly had a move that was unstoppable
and he won everywhere that he went and I kind
of find him underrated. Brandon, it's weird to say that
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we kind of forget because Kareem won a title and
it really wasn't you know when when Larry and Magic
came in, that's when TV started, and then Mike came in,
and you know, it just changed the NBA. Those who
played prior to that, some of those championships and their
greatness was lost.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yeah, you know, like I said, Kareem, you know, he
had the championship in Milwaukee. Then, like you talked about.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Magic and Larry took the game to another level.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
And then you also have to look at the fact
that Kareem wasn't loved by the media, so he doesn't
get he never got the same push, you know, And
so it's different now.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
There was no Internet and there was no Twitter or
anything else like that.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Media had to push you to a certain degree, and
Kareem didn't have that love, so he didn't get pushed
quite like some of the other stars back in the day.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, don't get it twisted.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Like you said, that's a good point.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Was unstoppable.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, that's a great point that Kareem didn't care if
you liked him and he didn't go out of his
way to curry favorite. We're talking to Brendan Haywood. He's
working for NBA TV. You were a teammate of Dirk
Noavisky his forty seventh birthday to day.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Oh Man, Happy birthday, dirt getting oh Man, I know that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
What's your favorite Dirk Novitsky story?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
My favorite Dirk story?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And how many news did you take to your chest
when you were trying to guard him with that fade
away jumper of his.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I never really, you know what, he never really had
a meeting in the chest.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
He used to just get in my body and fade away,
and it used to just frustrate me that he would
get that jumper off on me.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
But I think my favorite Dirk story is.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
We're in the NBA Finals. It's before the finals, and
because it was, it's my favorite story because it's not
really who Dirk is. He has that quiet confidence, but
the way he said it made me look at him like, okay,
big fellas really with the smoke and we're taking on
the Big Three and we're talking about the game. We're
in the locker room, we're talking about the matchup. We're
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going against the Heatos, obviously Lebron, d Wade, and Chris
Bosh and we're like, yeah, what we're gonna do to
stop the Big Three? And he's just like that ain't
no Big three and we kind of look at him,
We're like, what do you mean. He's like, I'm look
at it like that. If they were really a big
three and offseason, they would have came and got me.
And I was like, okay, because Dirk don't talk like
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that so like and he really meant it, and at
that time I didn't know he kind of had like
a simmering beef with d Wade from six.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
And the guys kind of caught me up on it, like, yeah,
he don't.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Really have no love for d Wade, And so like
to see Dirk in that space and then to go
out there and do what he did.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
In the finals.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Man, that was That's my favorite Dirk story because him
talking like that is out of character for him, and
I like him in that space.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
What's it like when you're behind shack and somebody lobs
it in and you know that he's going to get
the ball and then he's going to turn right into
your chest.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
It is the worst fling.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Like it's the worst feeling in the world guarding Prime Shack.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Prime Shack.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I mean dam I because when I first got into
the league, Shack was in LA and then in Miami. Hey,
I never had fun in those cities because I never
went out for the first And God's like, Yo, we're.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Going out to night.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I'm like, I'll see y'all. I got a little something
to deal with tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I can't go out. I will be embedded at nine.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
O'clock because you have to be ready for Shack. You
have to try to beat him down the court, beat
him to space. But when you answer your question, if
he catches the ball in the paint with two feet
and you're behind him, you better wrap him up. Because
big Fella back in the day was an absolute problem.
He was gonna dunk that thing. And the good thing
for me is when I first got into the league,
obviously I played with MJ. So in those games, Kobe
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would always be trying to prove a point to MJ.
So Shaq would wasn't even getting the ball as much
then because Kobe was trying to go off like and
so I was like, at least it's not my guy,
you know, I think he hit us for like forty
in like a half in LA one time.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
So it was crazy. He was trying to let Mike
know that he's the next one.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
So a lot of times Shaq didn't even get to
get the ball sometimes early on in my career.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So Kobe's going at Mike when Mike is at the
end of his career with the Wizards.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Actually Stackhouse is guarding Kobe, and I love stack but
there was nothing he.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Could do with Kobe that night. I mean it was
just he was.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
On one because you could tell he was He's playing
against Mike, and he wants to let Mike know and
almost kind of like how ant Man wanted to let
Kevin Durant know what.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Was up last year. That's how it was.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
But it's just we're watching it and it's we just
can't believe this dude is going. Jerry Stackhouse is playing
excellent defense. Kobe's is just Kobe is just in one
of those zones. Nothing Stacked I can deal with him,
And uh, Kobe, I want to say he dropped four
if it's not forty with thirty five, but between thirty
five and forty and a half on.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Us, what's the best performance you ever witnessed.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Carmelo Anthony sixty points when I played for the Charlotte Hountins.
Did you Carmelo?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Did you guard him?
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
No, Oh no, Mike Gilchris, Oh, you know what, I'm
tripping Tracy McGrady.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I forgot. I forgot Tracy McGrady had I think he
what was Tracy?
Speaker 5 (22:25):
It's either Carmelo or Tracy. Tracy had sixty plus on
US two and Carmelo. And that was when Tracy was
in Orlando and Carmelo had sixty on US. When I
would uh in the garden, I would probably say Carmelo's
because it was all mid range jumpers and Michael Kik
Gilchris got probably about forty of those and so, and
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when Carmelo.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Gets hot, there's nothing.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
It's all jab series, jabs, pump fakes, step through spin move.
It's when Carmelo has sixty, it's a lowed it's a
lowed sixty because it's all one on one ice, So
nobody's creating any for him. He is getting it all
out the mud and it is.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
A long night.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
We've had Jalen Rose on whenever it's you know, the
eighty one point anniversary with Kobe, and so we called
him all the time and he says I didn't guard
him the whole game. He goes people make it seem
like Kobe got eighty one on me when they were
playing Toronto.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah, listen, you might not have guarded the whole game.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
But if somebody gets drops eighty and like, let's just
say twenty five to thirty of them were on you,
people are gonna act like the whole eighty.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
One with on you.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Just kind of like, well, I'm talking about Carmelo, Michael
Ki Gilkers didn't get the whole sixty, but he had
to get out thirty or forty of them, thirty to
forty out of sixties.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
It just feels like a long night.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
I'm still trying to figure out why we didn't start
doubling the triple TV, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Still bothers you. Hey, great to talk to you. Thanks
for joining us, Brendon.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I mean, thanks man, appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Brendan Haywood.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
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Speaker 2 (24:07):
Talk some football, Mark Sanchez, NFL and Fox analysts, former
NFL quarterback. Let me start with the Steelers. Best case
scenario for Pittsburgh this year is going to be what
in your opinion?
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Well, I got to check in Dan six to two
and a quarter two forty.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Five getting a little heavier, aren't we.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Yeah, twins will do that to you. And I've been starium.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I might as well. You should see me all right,
I've been.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Carrying him a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, why is your playing weight?
Speaker 6 (24:41):
I was like two twenty eight to two thirty five
right in there, so we're good ten pounds over.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, Brady still looks the same.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Well, I don't want to sleep in a crypt and
sell my soul to the devil. And I'm just the
dude's an incredib shape and high to the dan Nettes.
And you know what it's really been. I think it's
been celebrating my bracketology knowledge from the college basketball tournament,
and you know, the parades and ribbon cuttings and events.
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I'm like America's guests right now.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
It's incredible how much you know about college basketball.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
A lot of good food, you know, I might get
go out the way I'm living like this, this is nice,
you know, But for the Steelers, toot, it's it's such
a unique situation, right because they're they're this blue collar organization.
Everything's in house, you know, they they they they keep
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everything tight, and they rarely go poach a superstar and
add them to what they have going on. It's different.
You guys are talking about the sale of the Lakers
and stuff. Well, the Lakers are known to go grab
a superstar and bring them under the Lakers banner, and
they're still one of the most iconic brands around the world.
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Shaquille O'Neal. You know, these different players that they brought
Lebron James, they made their name somewhere else. So Aaron
Rodgers made his name somewhere else in a blue collar
city in Green Bay, and then kind of outgrew that relationship.
I guess right, They kind of part of mutually. Whatever
goes to New York doesn't work out perfectly, tough media market,
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and now he's got to kind of be in this
blue collar town. The only thing that bridges that gap
because everybody's so scared about that because there's no numbers
right now, right, nobody's producing anything right now, there's no
games so everybody's just speculating, like, well, can he fit in?
Can he fit in? Culture fit? Culture fit? He's too counterculture.
He's not one of us. He's not a Steeler, you know,
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and there's us versus them mentality when you're with the Steelers.
Look at the terrible towels, look at all that, right,
So they have that culture. The only thing that bridges
that gap is his production. And if he produced the
way he produced last year, the last ten games he
was on a heater, he single handedly basically kept the
Jets playoff hopes alive. They lost about going back and
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watching some of their games, they lost about three games
just with special teams alone, just field goal kicking specifically
along so those three games at the end of the year.
I mean, I'm not like the president of Aaron Rodgers
fan club or anything, but damn dude, the guy played
his ass off. He threw it for like thirty nine
hundred yards or just near whatever. It was twenty eight touchdowns,
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eleven picks. The last ten weeks was eighteen touchdowns, four picks.
I mean, put it this way, the Vikings would get
if you could tell the Vikings right now. JJ McCarthy's
gonna have Aaron Rodgers statline from last year they would
sign that deal in blood immediately, immediately. So I mean, listen,
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the guy did all that at forty one years old,
coming off of an achilles, with a defense that they
thought was better and didn't quite pan out, a special
teams that was rough, you know, to be nice about it,
I don't. I don't dislike the move. I think it's
I think it's probably the right spot. You're always gonna
get a team that's that's tough, hard nosed, blue collar,
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and they're gonna put you in good situations. They're gonna
handle all the media stuff. They can handle some of
the stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
You know.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Yeah, Aaron might say something here or there. Okay, he's
a little different. He's not your average you know, your
candid line. Hey, we got to bring our a game
and we didn't do that today. That's not his interview. Okay, fine.
So what I think the culture of that place and
his production most importantly, can can bridge that gap and
they can be successful.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I think people have a problem with the person and
not the player. And that's where I always say to people,
you may not like that person, but do you like
the player? Because that's that's the bottom line. The great
equalizer is when you get on the field, what can
you do. It's like, you know, you may not like
shudor Sanders' personality, but if he can play when he
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gets on the field, that's all that matters. Production, yes, for.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Production breeds tolerance. Yes, winning cures warts. Like that's what
happened that people allow a lot if their teams win.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I'm trying to understand what the Bengals are doing because
it's kind of counterculture that they're all offense. They're going
all in and we're just going to score, because it
doesn't seem like defense is a priority. How does this work?
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Here's my thing. Everybody seems to have to play by
the same rules, right, everybody's got the salary cap, everybody
has the same number of players that they can sign.
And certain teams, just like we talked about culture, whether
it's basketball or football, the Steelers, Lakers, Bangles, certain teams
find themselves in these public kind of nasty negotiations, and
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certain teams don't. The Bengals are notorious for this, like
it's just always happening. The cowboy. If Dak Prescott has
a leaky Fawcet in his basement. People find out about it.
It's just kind of the way it is in New York.
You know, no matter what you do trying to prove
to your team that you know you're this quarterback. It's
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about football and you're trying to win games. You go
out to a dinner and happen to be with somebody famous. Well,
oh dude, he's just out on the town every night.
Well is that the truth? I don't know. So okay,
some of it's regional coverage, some of it's the team,
some of it's the organization, the leadership, and the culture
within that place. But let's not forget Carson Palmer literally
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walked away from the game of football because he was
so frustrated with this organization. And they've notoriously underpaid some
of their players or offered such low contracts that people
are like, dude, I'm out of here. Whether it's Whitworth
and Tackle or whoever. You know, guys are just like,
come on, man like, and everybody has to deal with it.
So I don't understand. But when we go back to production,
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this guy's producing better than anybody in the league the
last couple of years. Made a name for himself in
New Orleans on his rookie contract, played that contract out
opposite of Cam Jordan down there and gets a huge
contract and Cincy and now it's time for the next
version of that contract, the next iteration of that contract.
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And it sounds like they're upset over the length of
the contract and the number. But whatever it is, I mean,
you can't let he can't let guys like that walk
out of the building. And you know he's not going
to want to take too much less based on his production.
And if you're going to pay all these other guys,
are you just going to score fifty points a game?
Is it going to look like the old Big twelve?
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You score fifty and give up forty nine? Like, I
guess we'll hold on your hat. But this guy's share
helps on defense and gets your quarterback the ball back.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Well, your first round pick is not in camp either,
but you know, an edge rusher as well, So it
felt like, you know what you get this guy who
who was an underachiever in college. But Stuart does have
the potential. Hendrickson has proven that. You know, he's given
you seventeen and a half sacks and on average, the
last two years. Now you have some defense, and you've
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got all of that offense. I don't care how much
offense you got. At some point you got to stop somebody,
and Cincinnati's I mean, this philosophy is really counterculture. I
also wanted to ask you about you start a rookie
quarterback or that, at what point do you get to? Now?
I'm going to put you in how much damage can
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be done to a rookie quarterback when you get into
a situation that maybe you shouldn't be playing in.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Yeah, it's a fragile psyche, and there's there's different ways
to approach it. Obviously, I have my own experience. My
experience is shape off of the year before me being drafted,
when Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco make the playoffs as rookies.
Before that, it was rare for a rookie to just
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go out and start right. Carson Palmer waited behind Kitna
for a year, you know, and he was picked number
one overall, So that was kind of the mode before.
Let him listen, let them watch, let him learn. How
do I come up with a pregame routine? How do
I dress when we go on road trips? What's my
routine at the hotel. What do I eat? All these
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kind of little things, not just learning plays and positions
and defensive fronts and blitzes. You got a lot of
other things to learn, just an awareness thing. So it
depends on the player, I think number one. And then
it depends largely on the supporting cast. If you have
the supporting cast that can carry the weight of a
rookie when they don't play as well as they should
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in certain situations. And I was there. I mean, we
were in a game against the Bills and through five
interceptions and we almost kicked the game winning field goal
with Jay Feely, who's now running for Congress. Apparently I
got a message about that kind of crazy.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Sorry, but.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
We're in the game with five turnovers. I mean, I'm
not helping us win. If anything, they're winning in spite
of me. So those kind of things are going to happen. Now,
if you have an established starter like a Russell Wilson
or a Jameis Winston or whatever's going on with the Giants,
and then they're gonna get their shot, and if it
doesn't work out, then you bring the rookie in. To me,
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that's a little bit like free reps and less pressure,
and we're not like trying for a playoff spot. It's
almost like pick up basketball. And there's a very fine line.
I want you to go get the conditioning. I want
you to go get some shots off. You're gonna get
fouled a little harder than you probably should in a
real game with true rules instead of people just calling
(34:55):
their own fouls. But I also don't want you to
develop a bunch of bad habits, right, I want this
to turn into an and one mixtape where you're just
dribbling the ball all over the place thinking you're the professor. Like,
it doesn't work like that. I want you to still
play quarterback for our team and get some of these reps.
We're gonna watch all these reps after the year and
then take the good from them, keep moving on, keep progressing.
(35:16):
So there's different ways to approach it. But if you
have the supporting cast that knows, that's mature enough to
know and talented enough to know, hey, we're gonna have
to pick up some slack for this guy who's gonna
have a couple of rough outings, like some bad, bad outings,
then okay, and we're not going to turn on them.
You can't turn on them because as soon as you
(35:36):
turn on them, you lose the kid. You know, you
got to remember, these guys are twenty one to twenty
two years old and the face of the franchise, and
they were just at a frat party, you know, going
to invites and you know, winning their bowl games and
big man on campus. And now you're the face of
a franchise. You're still twenty two years old, making all
(35:57):
this money, and you're supposed to have the discernment and
and you know, intelligence of a Supreme Court justice, and
it's just not reality. You're still a kid. You just
have a lot more money and a lot more access
to really cool stuff, and you've got to be more
mature then you're really expected to be at that age.
So it's a tricky, tricky situation. I think it depends
(36:18):
on the player and the supporting cast.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
What was that like, you've thrown five interceptions. What's it
like when that next play comes in and it's a pass?
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Well, yeah, it's so funny. I was of the mind that, like,
just get me another quick completion, even if it's a
called run and we have like a little bubble screen
or something attached to the run. Just get me the
ball in my hand so I could feel the little
dimples on that Wilson ball on the duke and just
flick it to somebody quickly and get the taste out
(36:50):
of my mouth and move on. And then I would
always revert back to a Pete Carroll story that he
told me, and he's like, you can't be afraid to
throw the next interception, Like you got to keep fighting.
You got to keep chucking the ball, not recklessly, but
you got to keep chucking the ball. And he went
to a speech or an event with Rick Berry.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I think he was true literally that you weren't a
thread afraid to throw an interception that day.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
No, you can't. Well no, but he went to this
talk with Rick Barry. I'll say it fast, but I
know we got to go. But Rick Berry basically gives
this speech and Pete's a young coach and he runs
over to him and he says, Rick Rick, I just
I love what you said. I'm a big fan with
what do you do when you miss your first ten shots?
And Rick Berry immediately like, I mean, he was known
(37:42):
to be pretty brash, and he was kind of a Dick,
you know. But he was a hell of a competitor
and great basketball player. But he basically looked at him
and said, you know, I'm a whatever percentage shooter, like
forty percent shooter. He goes, if I missed my first
ten shots, you better look out because the next.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Ten are going in. You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
Like that was his mentality. So Pete used to give
us that speech and remind us, listen, you go out
and throw three picks in the first quarter. Well you're
a three to one touchdown to interception kind of guy.
That's the kind of quarterbacks we groom here. So can
you throw three right away out of the gate? Defense?
Better watch out? You know what I mean. That day,
maybe not against Buffalo, but it all evens out.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Good to catch up with you. I hope it's a
great summer and we'll catch up with you soon again.
Appreciate you guys, Thanks, thank you, And that's Mark Sanchez.
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