July 2, 2025 • 46 mins
Sports Business Journal reporter Bret McCormick weighs in on the Browns' new stadium plans and shares how stadium location sites have evolved over the years. Former NBA All-Star Jermaine O'Neal discusses coaching against Cooper Flagg and argues he could still take anyone in the world in the post – even at 46 years old. And 14-year NBA vet Jim Jackson reflects on his 12-team career and offers insight into the pressure on the Lakers to win now.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Joining us now is Brett McCormick, Sports Business Journal. He
covers stadiums, fan experience, ticketing, he covers it all. And
we were thinking about having you on, Brett, because I'm
looking at what the Cleveland, what the Browns are doing
moving to the suburbs, and I guess it's a dome stadium,
(00:26):
but I was wondering, when does the stadium become obsolete
in your eyes?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Great question and thanks for having me. And as a
long suffering Hornets fan, I hope that Khan Knoople joins
the list you were just talking about. That is that
is the prayer in Charlotte. Yeah, no, this is This
is the topic I'm thinking about a lot right now
because you have this cycle of stadiums that are coming
up to the put up or shut up question.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So if these stadiums built between nineteen ninety five and
two thousand and five, you've got like Jackson, the Charlotte, Houston, Denver.
I mean, there's probably a dozen of them, and it's
the kind of the critical juncture of where you know,
architecturally and engineering wise, you look at should we renovate this,
or should we build a new stadium? And you know,
(01:15):
I don't write about the you know, whether these should
be financed by who, or whether it's a good investment
or what. But that is about the lifespan is twenty
eight to twenty five years. You're really studying should we
build a new stadium in a different location, or should
we renovate what we've got? And you've got all of
the above going on right now. And a lot of
(01:36):
those decisions are dictated by location. You know, is it
in a urban area or is it developable around it
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
That's why I understand the Browns. If you want to
do a dome stadium, I get that. But where that's
located is great in my opinion having been there, and
it feels like you could develop around that. I guess
if you want. I've been to Foxboro where the Patriots
plag I mean they try to set up something there, like, hey,
(02:04):
come out to Foxboro. Will you go to Foxboro to
see the Patriots? You're not going to go to you know,
Dave and Busters there or Applebee's bring the kids and
let's go twenty miles or something. You know, the Bears
are moving out of downtown as well. Is that a
dome stadium as well.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I haven't seen the design yet, but so what they're
looking for is space. So I think with the Cleveland waterfront,
I think there is an issue that it's difficult to
develop down there because of some roads and the way
it's set up. But you would think that in both cases,
Chicago and Cleveland, that the waterfront would be difficult to beat.
But I think what they're looking for is space. And
it kind of speaks to one of the trends that's
(02:44):
happening in sports venue designed right now, more with other sports,
especially baseball, where you've got people come into eighty games.
It's a little different with the NFL, but what they're
trying to do is set up a stadium as a
hub of a district where again you have people living,
working and playing, and that's that's what they're looking for,
is space.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And so it is kind of.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
When I talk about location, the location for certain teams
can be you know, in an urban setting downtown in
the midst of everything, and for other teams they may
need space. If you kind of think about the Braves,
you know, Atlanta Braves, kind of started this second round
of mixed use development. They left a downtown in Atlanta
and moved out to the suburbs and created their own
(03:27):
like Stepford Wives Village or Timpkin Village of Braves Baseball,
and so, you know, so teams have seen that and
and the thing with mixed use development is it's appealing
to sports teams because they don't have to share it.
It's not in the revenue sharing, so this is money
that they keep. And so that that has been a
big impetus for for joining this kind of development.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And you're talking about the Bears, the Commanders, Carolina Panthers,
the Jaguars, Calgary Flames, you know renovation there for the
Saddle Dome, the Royals and White Sox might on the
list there of doing the same thing. It feels like,
you know, even when you look at the Dallas Mavericks
(04:06):
where Mark Cuban said, I'm not a real estate guy,
and I'm going to sell it to real estate people
and then try to develop around the stadium and then
bring in a casino, it's that the blueprint for what
we should expect with all you know, even Wriglely, Wrigley's
got its own sports book there.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, and it's uh, it kind of speaks to you know,
and you watch the costs of these are just are
like skyrocketing, and it's part part of it is because
more is expected of venues now.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
You know, you used to have.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
A lower bowl, upper deck, you know, maybe some sweets,
and that has really shifted. I mean, you've got all
kinds of seating products and different types of areas you
can stand, and there's different technologies that allow you to
buy beer faster and more often. And so you know,
from that, from that standpoint, the experience has changed a bit.
What people expect, like how you get in is often
(04:59):
easier than it used to and so yeah, and so
I think what they have always thought about is you
get people to come early and you get people to
stay later. And again that's the money that you're generating
that you don't have to share with the other thirty
thirty one owners, and that's become highly appealing. As you know, this,
this whole thing has become more competitive. I think more
of the sports ownership groups are looking at these as
(05:22):
businesses and less of like a whole you know, status
play thing that I'm going to hand off to my kids,
and so you're seeing like a lot of new ownership
groups that are coming in with very different ideas. You know,
Josh Harris with the Commanders, and like the Walton family
with Denver, which is going to be added to this list.
I think they've got a project that is brewing out there.
So you know, kind of different ownership groups bringing different ideas,
(05:43):
and then just the changes that have happened with the
same experience over like twenty to thirty years are really
influencing these designs.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, I go back to Camden Yards because they moved
it back into the city and you had the waterfront there,
a beautiful stadium, they had the warehouse there, great. But
I don't know is that becoming obsolete Camden Yards that
are they going to want to do something different.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I don't think it's obsolete, but I think you could
see more around it. So if you think about what's
across the parking lot is M and T Bank Stadium,
which is another one of these where the Ravens played
that's getting renovated. You've got like this massive parking lot
in between that. And so if I'm a parking lot,
I'm like, you know, you're in the crosshairs because it's
the lowest you know, it's the lowest possible use of
land is to is to park on it. And so
and if you think about with Camden Yards and m
(06:30):
and Ty Bank Stadium, there's a train that runs right
by it, you know, so if you can get people
to use the train, you can use that parking lot
for something else. I would watch a city field with this.
You know, you've got a highly aggressive owner who's very uh,
he's got some change and they've got you know, probably
one of the best public transit setups in the US
(06:51):
for public sports, for sports venues, and you know he's
trying to build a casino and basically develop those parking lots.
So I think the new Yards thing is is the
aesthetic and and like the vibes there are probably more
popular than ever, but you just got to have something
beyond it. Now it kind of the stadium itself sort
of bleeds into this next level.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
You know, this next layer.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
What is the least modern stadium or the worst stadium?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Great question, So I would say, uh, the So we
were just talking about Camden Yards. Cam new Yards kind
of sparked this like revival of I don't I don't
know the architectural term, but maybe like neoclassical or something
like that. The one that was built right before that
was I think it's now called Rape Field, where the
White Sox play, And this is the last of the
(07:40):
last stadium before all the cool stadiums basically, and so
that's that's widely agreed with one of the just they
have like no personality.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
It's it's there's there's not much.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
There wasn't that cellular it's it was guaranteed rate US cellular.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I was there, Yeah, I was there the last game
at Kamiski and one of the first ones at the
cell I remember that, you know. Yeah, I think charm
is the word. You're probably like, we want something that
has a little charm to it, a little nostalgia as well.
But what is the best stadium in America? Great questions
(08:19):
like actually modern, modern state. Let me add one more
to the worst ones. Everybody's excited to see what happens
with the RFK because I think FedExField Night or whatever
it's called now, Northwest Mutual something Northwest Stadium is widely agreed.
It's probably the worst stadium in US sports, and in
a location that's out in the middle of nowhere, is
nothing around it. You know, you literally had sewage fall
(08:42):
on people, railings fall over, they got sued. So I
think everybody is stoked to see what happens with with
them and potentially RFK the best stadium. This is a
great question, and it's probably like a bit objective. It
kind of depends sports a sport, it's going to be different.
But I think I really love the mid city kind
of older style ballparks. I think everybody does. I would
(09:05):
even say I would even say the Pittsburgh Pirates have
a pretty strong, pretty strong case, which has always cracked
me up, because if you had promotion and relegation in
Major League Baseball, you know, they'd probably they'd probably be
a single eight team by now. But because because they.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Don't get relegated, they've invested in their ballpark and it's
it's beautiful. The Candy Yards is it's definitely up there.
I mean, they're about to do a major renovation on it,
which will modernize it. But I don't think, you know,
I don't think that's I don't think they're going to
touch any of the kind of mystique of it, you know,
I don't. I don't overly love Benway and Wrigley because
they're they're really really old like so they are very cramped.
(09:40):
And you know, in terms of somebody who visits stadiums,
you know, it's not it's not like a great it's
not a great time. Yeah, that's that's a great question.
I really like Pittsburgh. It's a great it's a great ballpark.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Brett, thanks for joining us. We appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Thanks for having me, all right, Brett McCormick.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to
listen live.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller.
Would mean a lot to have you join us on
our weekly auditory journey. You're asking, what in God's name
is the Fifth Hour. I'll tell you it's a spin
off of that Ben Maler show, a cult hit overnights
on FSR.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Why should you listen?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Picture if you will, a world where we chat with
captains of industry in media, sports, and more.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Every week.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Explore some amazing facts about human nature and more. Listen
to the fifth Hour with Ben Maller on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Jermaine O'Neil, head coach of Dynamic Prep Academy in Irving, Texas.
He played eighteen seasons in the NBA, played for seven
different teams, and back in nineteen ninety six, seventeenth pick
overall by the Portland Trailblazers. Jermaine, good to catch up
with you again. Take me back to that draft night.
What were you seventeen years of age back then?
Speaker 7 (11:01):
Yeah, I was seventeen first of all. Then I appreciate
you having me back, so I was good to see
you and talk to you. But it was a pretty
amazing night. Obviously, back then, the rules were a lot
different from perspective. Once you made yourself eligible, it was
no time period where you can go through your draft process.
It was, hey, you commit, you make yourself eligible for
the draft. You know, you forfeit your college eligibility. And
(11:24):
it was nerve wracking obviously as a seventeen year old
and not really knowing what the process is. But I
was truly blessed to have a guy named Marin Tellham
who was my agent and sona Pa Carol, you know,
who went through the process with me and they helped
educate educate me about the you know, the process that
I was about to go into.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Okay, but seventeen on the road.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Right, So then listen, I got to say this.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
You know, the Portland Trail Blazers did an amazing job
on being prepared for a seventeen year old and all
of my teammates, they made sure that I they did
things with me on the road that you know that
made sense for my age, and they.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Were prepared for me to get there.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
How did they prepare you, because there's a lot of
things that can go wrong on the road, no matter
how old you are.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
One hundred percent though I think a lot of it
is Honestly, I stuck with the core values of how
my mother raised me, making sure that I understood what
my purpose was when I got there. Obviously, I knew
the task of trying to become a professional athlete and
a good professional athlete in basketball was very difficult, you know,
because of that big age gap and transition. But you know,
(12:35):
my focus was you know, you know, always proved not
only to the people that were saying that I wasn't
a great draft pick at the time, but you know,
for myself most importantly that I knew what I was.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Cooper Flags going in that same age, that same age
as Lebron What advice would you give him?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Man?
Speaker 7 (12:53):
Just you know, obviously things a lot different now from
a perspective of social social media, and we're seeing this
impact on how social makes people feel.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
He has to be able to give himself some grace
as well.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
You know, I was just a lot of pressure being
the number one pick, going to a situation that you know,
he lost another really good player, so people are expecting
him to come in and fill the void. He needs
to really just focus on what he can do in
his development and give himself grace over a period of
time that he has to understand the transition from college
to the NBA.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You coached against Cooper Flag, I did.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
You know quite a bit.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
You know, he's he was in my son's originally the
twenty twenty five class, and then he reclassed up I
think his after his junior year. But I've been coaching
against Cooper, you know, since seventh eighth grade.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And what did you see? When did you see it?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
You know, the first thing that jumped out to me
right away.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
He used to wear these I called the Patrick Ewing
knee pass all the time, and he was a kid.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I was like, why why is this kid?
Speaker 7 (13:57):
But his talent level, he always had ball skills, you know,
bring the ball up, you know, beat people off the dribble.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
He's always athletic. You know. The thing that I loved
about Cooper, and I told him.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
Listen to last Nike Eybo game, you know that I
coached against them men, is that he approaches the game
the right way. He's never sped up, he's never shot
chasing right. He can impact the game. But I didn't
even have the ball in his saying how you know
he defends, how he block shots, how he rebounds, how
he communicates his team. So I'm definitely looking for great
(14:29):
things for this kid in his career.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
But Carmelo came out on a podcast I think he
might have been with Paul George and he said that
Cooper doesn't have the bag, like, he doesn't have that
signature move. And I said, but he does everything else.
I mean, he's seventeen, eighteen years of age. I don't
expect him to have that signature move. Right away. Did
(14:51):
you see like he can always be a better shooter,
deeper shooter, but it feels like he can go inside out,
doesn't mind content those kind of things. But offensively, what
would you suggest he needs to work on the shooting?
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Obviously the NBA is about shooting now, so the consistent shooting.
Obviously the three point line is a little bit deeper
than the college. But I would agree with with Carmelo
Carmelo Actuid. You know Cayenne is I was in that
same class, so you know, we've been seeing each other
in jail for a very long time. But from perspective,
it's important that he understands that he doesn't have to
be anybody else but himself.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Right. He's like a Swiss army knife, right.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
He has so many different things that he can bring
to the table and he just needs to focus on that.
You know, he doesn't have a flashy bag, but his
flash is his impact.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I'm talking to Jermaine O'Neil, head, coach of Dynamic Prep
Academy in Irving, Texas and spend eighteen seasons in the NBA.
Do you have a theory on why we've seen these
Achilles tears?
Speaker 4 (15:53):
That's interesting. We've been talking been talking a lot about this.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
I think, you know, one of the things that people
talk about, you know, the pace and the pace this
is really fast. I think from perspective, you know, the
days of practicing, you know, like really practicing. You know,
they don't practice as much, right, they have more downtime,
and when you look at the pace, you know of
how fast they're playing, and I don't know if the
body's as conditioned to play at that pace. So they
(16:17):
have a lot of rest days, not a lot of
contact days.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And so from a.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Perspective of like, you know, being able to be conditioned
for that quick twitch to change your possession, you know,
that is something that I think has has a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
To do with it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Your kids ask about who you played against or you're
welcome to the NBA moment, did they they want to
know what was it like guarding or being guarded by?
Who's the player? Of players they ask about.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
I don't think the kids really asks They always ask
about how was it right?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
It's always the question of how.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Was it to play in the league, And you know,
you know, how was to play against you know, guys
like Shaq and Kobe and and Obs Lebron and Mike Jordan.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I've been able to play against you know, all of them.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
But what was your welcome to the NBA moment?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Mm hmm A keim Olaja one in Houston, and uh,
that was not a great matchup for me.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It wasn't a great matchup for a lot of guys
your main Yeah, you know.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
And it's so funny, Dan, I don't think people talk
enough about a king like a king is literally he was.
He had the footwork, he had the moves, you know,
he had the jump shot. I mean obviously he's all
time shot blocking, you know, leader you know in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I mean, he just impacted the game and so many
times and many times.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
You know, people don't give him a lot of credit
to us, but he was fasting a lot in his
career and it's hard to do and play at that level,
you know, not being able to.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Eat before games, to eat through, you know, eat through
a period of time.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, I think he's underrated because we look at the
big man and then it's old by oh yeah, then
a chem Elijah one. But you know, his footwork, I
think soccer really him. I thought his footwork was impeccable.
For a big man. He used to just dance with people.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
And you know, I remember killing in the game and
I try to give him all of my files, right,
and it was wasn't the game to sub somebody else
in foul trouble.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
It's eighteen years old, it was. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
But you know, he's a guy that I always liked
to watch because he was almost impossible to guard. You know,
he can hit you with anything, and he was like
a ballerina. I think he just danced with you at
all times.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Did Jordan uh take advantage of you?
Speaker 4 (18:34):
No, I've had a chance to guard him.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
But Jordan is People always have this conversation about, you know,
the greatest, and first of all, i'm you know, these
are these guys are all great, you know, within their
own you know, their own uh you know games. But
Jordan himself had a different or I remember being in
an All Star game and obviously you've been in the
locker room and it's like, you know, everybody's his best
(18:58):
players in the world, right, and we consider us self,
you know, so the best you know in the NBA.
And Jordan's always come in a little bit late, right,
He's a lad. But you can hear him coming, and
what I mean by that, you hear it's kind of
like the noise, and then you hit the cameras and
then he walks in the locker room and everybody just
stopped talking and just he just walks by and he'll
be just looking. He was almost like a god, you know,
(19:21):
to be honest, and you know, he's done so much
for the game, man, But I think his impact generationally
has just been something that we hadn't seen.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
You know before.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Did Kobe have that too?
Speaker 7 (19:32):
I think Kobe had it, you know, I think you know,
obviously Lebron has it as well, but they don't have it.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Was like it's like.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Greating is A and then B and C. You know
what I'm saying from a perspective of like how we
as players, you know, when we see him, right, you know,
I grew up with Kobe, so you know, we're in
the same high school class, so I didn't necessarily look.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
At him that way.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
You know. Michael Jordan is the one that really, I think,
you know, really took the NBA to you know, the
next level.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
You know, with his starting.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Mike has a mystery about him. You know, there's not
a mystery with Lebron, maybe not a mystery with Kobe.
What was Kobe like though you faced him in camps?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, We've been facing each other since we were thirteen.
And Kobe was always dedicated to basketball. And what I
mean by that is like he literally then carried around
a lot of Michael Jordan tapes, Like he would not
do the typical things that we would do at camps.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
He wouldn't really hang out much. He was always studying,
always studying.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
So I wasn't surprised to see the time of career
that he had because he wanted to sacrifice other things
just to make sure he was considered one of the
graces ever play.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I remember talking to Rick Fox some of the Lakers,
and they were out at a bar and I said,
where's Kobe and Derek Fisher. They laughed, and I go,
why you're laughing? They go, he didn't go out. He
stays in his room. I'm like, okay, so.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, I think then I think that was the biggest thing.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Like early in his career, you heard a lot of
noise about he wasn't a great teammate, right iban People
didn't know a lot about him on his own team.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
And I think some of that was that was his
genetic makeup, right.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
He was always studying, right, He's always preparing, and you know,
to a point, it was almost too you know, a
default when it came to how people perceived his own
teammates proceeding because they didn't, you know, get a chance
to hang out with him.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
And that's one of the things that we always do
on the team.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
We are always around each other, and if you don't
see your teammate, then you your mindset is, hey, he
didn't want to be around us.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Or you know, something else. But he was always studying
and preparing.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
This Dame Litard situation is really interesting for me. The
Bucks are going to pay him one hundred million dollars
to not play, He's going to rehab, He's going to
be thirty six. I think it's a huge, huge opportunity
for Dame Lillard and a team that will get him
next spring when he's healthy and could be helping a
(22:10):
team in the playoffs. Your thoughts on what the Bucks
did and Dame Lillard's future, Well, one, I'm.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Not surprised at you about the business now. Obviously, the
apron tax threshold now is in full effect. So teams
are trying to figure out ways to maneuver around that.
So things like this is probably this is probably not
gonna be the you know, last time we see something
like this. But from a Dame Lillard perspective, I think
he now has a true opportunity to win a championship
(22:38):
now because now he gets you just have to have
He's doesn't have to rush back to figure out free
agency or you know, whatever it may be. He can
really take his time and really evaluate each roster, evaluate
you his best fit. And you know, for a player
that gets a chance to basically sit out a year
and prepare, I mean, that's the amazing opportunity. And by
(22:58):
the way, still get paid over the next five Here
is twenty plus million dollars from a team that you
don't play for.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Did people think you were related to Shank?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, all the time.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
It's funny because me and Shack have family members in
South Caroline, so we did talk a little bit about it.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
But I get that question all the time.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
What was it like to guard him?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Very difficult? You know, I really believe Shaq is he's
a special human being.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Obviously, he's a giant, incredibly strong, very kind, heart, and
I think even to a points as dominant as he
as he was in his career and probably one of
the most maybe the most dominant player at that position
we've ever seen. You know, he really cared about people,
and sometimes he will pull up a little bit if
he liked you in the game, and you know, he's just.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
What do you mean, how would you he wasn't take
it to you?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Well, he will, you could tell like he will, he
won't like.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
It's certain players that you knew he didn't like, right,
And you can tell from start to finish, right, And
then you get in games. Sometimes you see him talking
and laughing with the guys that he's competing against, and
I think some of it was to respect for other people,
but also to you know, shock.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I think Shaq understood just how strong he was.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
I've never ever seen or played against a person that size,
that nimble and that strong, and he could really probably
just you know, people wouldn't grabbing them all the time.
You know, I thought he had great composure, but he
could have really just dominated people if he really wanted
to just destroy everybody.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
The Pacers moving forward, it almost feels like they might
be taking this next year off with Haliburton hurt and
Miles Turner goes to the Bucks. What do you think,
you know, you got Celtics, they're damaged, The Knicks are
going to be there, the Cabs are going to be there.
Seventy six ers aren't much, But I mean the Pacers
(24:50):
were a feel good story and then all of a sudden,
now you're without Haliburton and you're gonna be without Miles Turner.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah, it's one of those things in really pro sports.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
But you know, you obvious at the rooting for the
Pacers to win it, and I thought that they could
win it if it wasn't for that injury. But like
you never know, like in this business, you have to
almost be all in. You know in the year that
you can you can, you know you can get there,
because things like an injury or you know, or a
coaching change or a key player going to a different team,
(25:27):
it derails it and it doesn't really guarantee.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
You know, you you'll get back there.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
You know, hell that was it took twenty five years
to get to that point.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
So I do believe that.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
It's an opportunity for some of the other young teams
with all the injuries you know that we've had you know,
late season with guy's been out all the next year,
like the Orlando Magic, the Toronto Raptors.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
I think I think the Sixers can get back if
they're healthy, you know, dominant.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
But you know, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
When's the last time you dunked?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Probably a couple, maybe a month or so ago.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh okay, just showing off.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
I can go to a right league right now and
leading and scoring. I promise you I could.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah. I still try to stay in pretty good shape.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
And believe it or not, every year I have kids
off from my school or my club that wants to
challenge me one on one. I'm the old guy that
they seem to think that they can beat and have
to remind them that I got paid to do this
for a career, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
So I'm not gonna allow a teenager to beat.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Could you so you could beat Cooper Flag one on one?
Speaker 4 (26:39):
So I didn't. I didn't say all of that.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay, it felt like you were on the verge of
saying that.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
No, I'm not saying all of that right now. Okay,
Where's what I will tell you.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
If I had if we had a possession game, where
we were playing mid post to posts and we're going
to let's call it five one on one.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I like my chances.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Okay, then I don't.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I don't like your response on that though you have
you have no faith in me.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I don't have to see it. I mean, what are
you forty five?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Forty six, forty six?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And and if we're just paying playing in the post, yeah,
you're you're going to dominate Cooper flag.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Listen, I'm saying I will be able to. I like
my chances against anybody in the post at this point. Now,
if we're talking about playing full court, I'm not doing that.
Like I'm gonna lose that battle. These legs don't have
that much gas.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
If I have you against Victor wimben Yama right now
in the post and we're just straight posts, yes, post work, Yeah, yeah,
I think I.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Got a chance. I do. Okay, absolutely, then I can
right now I can work again, Let's be okay.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
You know how these these common when you say you
got to go viral?
Speaker 7 (28:01):
I know, right, So listen, if we just said, hey,
throw me the ball in the posts will go one
on one versus me Garden and and me having offensive possessions.
I still like my chances against anybody because I still
am pretty nimble from a perspective of being able to play. Now,
if it goes to like going up and down the
court and screening rolls and all that stuff, yeah, you
(28:22):
can take me out of that. But if it's mono
on mono, let's post up. I think I got a chance.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So you'd beat Lebron if you post up.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Then, because I believe that if I had the ball
and if we plan just straight post up, yeah, I
believe that I'm strong enough. Still, I think I'm still
agile enough to score in the low posts because I
do it every year.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
I still go on to Basketball Quest. Still, you know
do things. I'm listen.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
I'm sure if you ask Joe Johnson these things, right,
you ask any of the older guys that still work out,
they're gonna tell you the same thing. But then're not
gonna say, look, I can run up and down the
court with these guys, because we can't do that.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
So you could dominate Lebron in the post, is what
you're saying. And Cooper Flag, you can dominate him. I
said that, Victor Winbanyama. I just want to make sure
I got this right, you men.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
I just want to I'm saying that I have I
feel like I have a chance to win a one
on one in the low post, like redout winning or not.
We'll see if we're talking about just playing one on
one in the post. It's something I do every year, right.
I still I still still work out quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And Lebron's not that much younger than you.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
So and man, shout out to Lebron too then, like
forty plus years old doing what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Great to talk to you again. Keep working on the
low post moves, Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I will, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
That's Jermaine O'Neill, head coach of Dynamic Prep Academy in Irving, Texas.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Damn
I'm Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
App spring In Jim Jackson Fox Turner, NBA college basketball
analyst in nineteen ninety two, the fourth pick overall by
the Maps, played fourteen seasons in the NBA. You are
free agent a couple of times. How does it work
young in your career? When or older in your career
of where you're going to go and why you choose
(30:28):
a certain team.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
That's a great question then, and then it depends too
on your leverage. I think a lot of it too
is leverage wise what's available in the market, Okay, because
ideally you want to pick and choose where you go
as a free agent, but unfortunately, for a lot of
guys that don't have leverage, you don't have those options.
So a lot of times you're kind of put to
(30:50):
a place in a situation where it may be where
a need is there, but it may may not be
the best opportunity because you don't have the to get
to maybe Team eight that you wanted to get to
because their options were already taken up. And for me,
after I injured my ankle my third year and got
(31:13):
traded to the Nets right when my contract was expiring,
well after I went then I went to Philly. Then
I was the first time I was a free agent
was after my Golden State year.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
But I was after some trades.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
And where to go was a little bit challenging because
the options weren't there as much as let's say, if
I it was three years before before my injury, I
would have had a lot more options, and then I
could have leaned into that leverage to kind of navigate
where I wanted to go. So it really depends on
(31:48):
the player, the situation, where they're at in their career,
and then what's available in the marketplace, because you know
it Dan a lot of times, if you're on the
front end of the free agency kind of run, then
you got some really good options. If you're on the
back end of that free agency run, when there's not
a lot of slots, not a lot of roster spots available,
(32:08):
not a lot of places to have money, then you're
kind of stuck with what's available, and a lot of times
it can work, but a lot of times it may
not work in your favor.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Did you ever pick a spot a place just to
live because you like the location, the weather, You.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Say, Miami? What did you say?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
But would you rather play in Miami or visit Miami?
Speaker 8 (32:33):
Well, you know, at the time, because of pat Riley
played because he was an iconic coach at the time
and the franchise was still coming off the back end
of those competitive Eastern Conference playoffs with New York and Indiana.
Lonzo Morning was a really good friend of mine. We
came in the draft together. But then also too, I
didn't have a lot of options. I had options, but
(32:55):
not a lot. That was the best of the few
that I had, and that made the most so plus
didn't have any state tax.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Now I wasn't there. I had a couple of coffee there.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
But I will say this is one of the best
decisions I made because from an organizational perspective, they still
treat me like I was there, you know, five or
eight ten years.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Do you have all your jerseys from all your stumps?
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Yeah, I got, I got. I'm missing one.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Damon Stodomarer still has my Portland jersey and I keep
telling him, Bro, send me my Portland jersey. I don't
know what he's doing with it. So my mom has
them all. So that's a lot of collectibles right there
in the base.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
How many teams twelve?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Dang?
Speaker 6 (33:36):
I know, man, Hey, you know, I never would have
thought it.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
I mean again, it's here's here's the duality of that though, Dan,
It's allowed me now going into I thought it was
gonna be a married for life. The injury happened, and
some other things happened. Free agency short term deals a
little longer deals. But throughout that course, I played with
some outstanding, some Hall of Fame players, I played in
(34:00):
some great cities, played for some great teams, and more importantly,
met a lot of great, outstanding business people that I
never would have met if I was just in one city.
So I had to get my mind wrapped around, Okay,
if I'm going to be here and I'm going to
move around, how can I benefit outside of the game
of basketball. And that's what I did. So it was
(34:21):
a blessing in disguise long term, but short term, you know,
it did impact, you know, my overall playing career.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA college basketball analyst Lebron James
had Kevin Durant on his podcast and he said that
Durant's one of the few guys. He brought up Steph
Curry that when he takes a shot, he's surprised when
it doesn't go in. Is there anybody you would put
on that list in today's NBA? And then we could
(34:51):
expand that to former players that when they take a shot,
you're surprised it didn't go in.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Now those are the two really.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
SGA is getting to that point to where, especially when
he gets to his mid range, it's like, oh, I
can't believe you missed a shout Like that end of
the game in the series Just Indiana, when he missed
the shot, It's like he got to a spot and
that's all you want to do as a player. Can
I get to my spot, get up to where I
need to be and get the shot I want, not
what the defense dictates. And when you talk about Steph,
(35:24):
you talk about KD, talking about MJ, you talk about
now SGA. Those guys know how to navigate the defense
good enough to get to their spot. Not whether they
make it. It's whether the defense is involved or whatever.
But the question is make or miss. As a player,
this is the mindset you have. Man, Did I get
my shot? Did I get to where I wanted to
(35:45):
get to? And if that's the case, you can live
with the result.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Would you rather Guard Durant or Steph Curry if you
had to choose between the two?
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Durant, Oh, definitely, and not because Steph is better. Steph
runs too much Manta take. I mean, if he's running
two miles a game, that means you're running two miles
a game. You know what I mean chasing him, let
alone what you're doing on the offensive end, and that's it.
That's like, what would you rather guard why? I can't
(36:15):
say that m J or Reggie. I rather guard Reggie.
Let me take that, let me take that. But Reggie
rich Rip Hamilton the same way. It was certain guys
that put so much pressure on you because of their constant.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Movement that they may not have been Maybe.
Speaker 8 (36:32):
You hear trash out there. They come to get some
trash had to throw away outside.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
There's a lot of jerseys they can pick up, hey, hey, more.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
Than jerseys and that trans ever didn't. It's a heavy,
heavy band out there. But those are the guys, you
know what I mean that that give that give guys
like me trouble because defensive I can get up into somebody.
I can use my strength that or movement. But when
you're constantly moving, running off the screens, those are the
toughest guys to guard.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I would love Lebron to ask Kevin Durant this question,
do you think you're better than me?
Speaker 6 (37:07):
I don't think Lebron would do that, I.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Know, but I would love for him to do it
because I'd love to know what Durant would say. Hopefully
he would say yes, okay, but that's I mean yes,
I mean.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Because and it's no disrespect.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
No, because I would say, do you think you're better
than me? You can say yes, then I can say why.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
And he can break down the area.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yes, yes, I now granted, you know, as the host.
Like if I had Bob costas honor, you know, throw
out somebody Mike Greenberg, I'm not I wouldn't ask do
you think you're better than me?
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Because what would you ask him?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Well, I don't know if anybody really cares like we're
different in what we do. Well, Lebron and Katie play basketball.
I mean that's different. I okay, like my show and
what you do, you know, all those things.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
That's different.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yes, do i think I'm better than Bob? Yes, at
certain things, and then he's better than me at certain things.
But I mean that's not interesting to the audience. But
Katie and Lebron, like when I asked Steph Curry this
is probably ten years ago, and I said, do you
think you're a better offensive player than Lebron? And he
said yes? And it went viral. People went crazy, and
(38:18):
I'm going, it's not crazy. But you know, Steph says
he's better than Lebron offensively. I would just love to
know if Katie would say, this is why I'm better
than you, and I would love to have that discussion,
because then Katie's going to say, do you think you're
better than me? And then you turn it around and
you go why. I think you could have a fun
(38:38):
conversation between two of the all time greats. Now, it
might be be rude for Lebron to say that.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
But how about how about Steve? Steven asking asked the question.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
He can't he can play the book in between the
like he can bring it up like this, Dan, it's
been this conversation like who's better between the two of you?
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (38:56):
I like that?
Speaker 8 (38:56):
Okay, you know, and Katie, I'll start with you if
you're if you think you're better than Lebron, then why
and vice versa. And now you've got this engaging conversation.
And that's not started by Lebron, but it's a mediator
in between, which is Steve Nash and he sparks that conversation.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I like that. I'm gonna give you applause.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
A.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Wait, I know nobody else, nobody else can Marvin.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
Hey, I'm used. I'm used to it. There's only one
person that's my mom giving me a clause. I'm used
to that.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
What is Lebron getting at or Rich Paul getting at
where they're talking about we need to win now?
Speaker 8 (39:35):
For Lebron, well, it's it's It's true in some aspects
because you know he's at the back end of his
career and you put a lot of pressure on Rob
Polinka and management. Now you've got new management coming in
that they have to make some moves. They got to
spend some money to do it. And that's the thing
because now you got all this influx of new money,
(39:55):
new ownership, and if you want the Lakers, well you
want the Lakers to continue to be kind of a
marquee franchised, you got to spend some money.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Look at the teams that have won NBA titles. They
spent money.
Speaker 8 (40:07):
Now, OKAC is a little bit different because they've built
their organically and didn't have to have a big salary
cap and payroll because a lot of the guys were young.
But from the perspective of a Golden State of Milwaukee,
teams like that that now are Boston that were in
that first Apron and now the second Apron. You had
to spend some money. You had to go out and
(40:29):
overpay to get talent to win it. And then once
you win it, you can reevaluate where you want to
move to the future. Because that's what Boston is doing
right now. Boston is basically on a salary dump. They're
trying to get underneath that two thirty million dollars threshold,
so to give them some leverage a couple of years
down the line.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
NBA MVP ons for next season Joker and SGA. Yeah, Venaccianness, Luca,
Anthony Edwards. Who would you, jek.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
I think SGA is going to be the front runner again,
yok is.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
It's tough to go back to back.
Speaker 8 (41:07):
But as kay, I mean Bird did it, Moses Malone
did it. I mean Steve Nash did it, and Steve
Nash didn't won the title. You know what, they had
the best record. You know, one of those years, I.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
See I think Luca, I think it. I think it's
Luca's Do you think it's Luca in La because he's
gonna Okay, we've given it to Joker. What three times
SGA just won. They don't like to do that again,
maybe it's Yannis with a different roster there. I mean,
he put up incredible numbers. I don't see Anthony Edwards,
but I think Luca in shape, high profile team, and
(41:43):
now all of a sudden, like Edon won an m
v P, it focused. It feels like this sets up
for Luca to be your m v pig.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
Well refocused, Luca a more definitive focus. I got in shape.
I stayed in shape because remember Luca came into camp
in shape, and that means the Lakers are winning. Okay,
from that perspective, they're right in the hunt. See all
those things. I think factory when you start talking about
(42:15):
MVP and Luca, this may be what happened with the trade.
Long term, maybe the best thing for Luca because I believe,
and as he should, he probably felt untouchable in Dallas.
He can do whatever he wanted to do in Dallas
that they weren't going to trade him. You know, he
had earned a little bit of that, a lot of
that because of you took him to a conference, you know, finals,
(42:38):
took him to championship game. He did all of those
things at a young age. So it's hard not to
kind of think that, but this may be the reset
that he needs psychologically, because I was I was watching
something damn when they showed look at at nineteen twenty
years old, how he looked, how his body looked, how
he moved, totally different player. If he gets back to
(43:01):
a similar to that, watch out, it's different, and his
mindset is going to be different. How he plays is
gonna be a little bit different, and his impact on
the game and winning, not that he hasn't won, because
obviously what I just talked about is winning, getting to
a finals and getting too a Western Conference final. But
I think that that reset probably is what he really
(43:22):
needed at the time.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
So we're gonna see how it plays out.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Is it tough to stay in shape during the season.
Speaker 8 (43:29):
No, I mean not for a guy like that that's
playing all the time. But travels, I mean, you got
you got train Listen, let me tell you something.
Speaker 6 (43:39):
I travel with the Clippers.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
You got any and everything you need to be a
top tier athlete. You got your trainers to work out
with during the day. You have the set meals, okay,
whether that's the breakfast in the morning, the brunch, have
to shoot around, the dinners at night. But it just
goes back to discipline. At the end of the day,
are you disciplined enough to understand one your sleep is important,
(44:04):
to your nutrition is important, okay? And three taking care
of your body okay. Throughout the season, you're not practicing
as much, so that means that you have more time
to take care of your body. And that falls upon
the individual player because everything basically that a player needs
is there at their choosing when, how where, and how much.
(44:29):
If you choose not to mentally stay engaged and be disciplined,
then that's a you problem. And I think that's something
that Luca got too comfortable with a little bit more.
In Dallas, it came it's like design, It came so
easy for them to dominate at the size in which
they were that they were like, eh, you know, if
I have a beer over here, or I have this,
or I eat this, I could still run it off
(44:51):
and be okay. But long term, those injuries start to
pile up. You're not playing as well, you're not on
a quarter as much.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
He worries you more, Luca or Zion Zion and and
I don't know if enough people are focused on that.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
They were.
Speaker 8 (45:08):
Zion changed though, he changed his body. Okay, he changed
his body. Both both concerned me. But I think Luca,
I don't know, it's something about him. I think this
right here, this this move over, the over you know,
last season and then going into this summer with all
(45:29):
these questions. I think this was a little bit different.
Zion is still in the same place.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Zion doesn't have a role model there. Luca's got Lebron,
Yes that that all he has to do is look
at Lebron and say, that guy that continues to play
at a high level. He's in shape, he is, you know,
he doesn't get although he got banged up, you know,
last in the postseason with his Yeah, but it doesn't
(45:55):
happen very often. It's great to connect with you again always.
Thanks thanks for joining us. Hopefully they get all your
garbage there outside. You know what you're success would be
garbage time for you.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
I think garbage.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Nothing wrong with that. Get in the game, get some
shots off.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Jim, Hey, I.
Speaker 8 (46:12):
Was about to throw my clubs in the other day,
but I played well, so I took them.
Speaker 6 (46:17):
I took them out the fast bitch.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Thank you, Jim. All right, that's Jim Jackson.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Joining us now is Brett McCormick, Sports Business Journal. He
covers stadiums, fan experience, ticketing, he covers it all. And
we were thinking about having you on, Brett, because I'm
looking at what the Cleveland, what the Browns are doing
moving to the suburbs, and I guess it's a dome stadium,
(00:26):
but I was wondering, when does the stadium become obsolete
in your eyes?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Great question and thanks for having me. And as a
long suffering Hornets fan, I hope that Khan Knoople joins
the list you were just talking about. That is that
is the prayer in Charlotte. Yeah, no, this is This
is the topic I'm thinking about a lot right now
because you have this cycle of stadiums that are coming
up to the put up or shut up question.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So if these stadiums built between nineteen ninety five and
two thousand and five, you've got like Jackson, the Charlotte, Houston, Denver.
I mean, there's probably a dozen of them, and it's
the kind of the critical juncture of where you know,
architecturally and engineering wise, you look at should we renovate this,
or should we build a new stadium? And you know,
(01:15):
I don't write about the you know, whether these should
be financed by who, or whether it's a good investment
or what. But that is about the lifespan is twenty
eight to twenty five years. You're really studying should we
build a new stadium in a different location, or should
we renovate what we've got? And you've got all of
the above going on right now. And a lot of
(01:36):
those decisions are dictated by location. You know, is it
in a urban area or is it developable around it
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
That's why I understand the Browns. If you want to
do a dome stadium, I get that. But where that's
located is great in my opinion having been there, and
it feels like you could develop around that. I guess
if you want. I've been to Foxboro where the Patriots
plag I mean they try to set up something there, like, hey,
(02:04):
come out to Foxboro. Will you go to Foxboro to
see the Patriots? You're not going to go to you know,
Dave and Busters there or Applebee's bring the kids and
let's go twenty miles or something. You know, the Bears
are moving out of downtown as well. Is that a
dome stadium as well.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I haven't seen the design yet, but so what they're
looking for is space. So I think with the Cleveland waterfront,
I think there is an issue that it's difficult to
develop down there because of some roads and the way
it's set up. But you would think that in both cases,
Chicago and Cleveland, that the waterfront would be difficult to beat.
But I think what they're looking for is space. And
it kind of speaks to one of the trends that's
(02:44):
happening in sports venue designed right now, more with other sports,
especially baseball, where you've got people come into eighty games.
It's a little different with the NFL, but what they're
trying to do is set up a stadium as a
hub of a district where again you have people living,
working and playing, and that's that's what they're looking for,
is space.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And so it is kind of.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
When I talk about location, the location for certain teams
can be you know, in an urban setting downtown in
the midst of everything, and for other teams they may
need space. If you kind of think about the Braves,
you know, Atlanta Braves, kind of started this second round
of mixed use development. They left a downtown in Atlanta
and moved out to the suburbs and created their own
(03:27):
like Stepford Wives Village or Timpkin Village of Braves Baseball,
and so, you know, so teams have seen that and
and the thing with mixed use development is it's appealing
to sports teams because they don't have to share it.
It's not in the revenue sharing, so this is money
that they keep. And so that that has been a
big impetus for for joining this kind of development.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And you're talking about the Bears, the Commanders, Carolina Panthers,
the Jaguars, Calgary Flames, you know renovation there for the
Saddle Dome, the Royals and White Sox might on the
list there of doing the same thing. It feels like,
you know, even when you look at the Dallas Mavericks
(04:06):
where Mark Cuban said, I'm not a real estate guy,
and I'm going to sell it to real estate people
and then try to develop around the stadium and then
bring in a casino, it's that the blueprint for what
we should expect with all you know, even Wriglely, Wrigley's
got its own sports book there.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, and it's uh, it kind of speaks to you know,
and you watch the costs of these are just are
like skyrocketing, and it's part part of it is because
more is expected of venues now.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
You know, you used to have.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
A lower bowl, upper deck, you know, maybe some sweets,
and that has really shifted. I mean, you've got all
kinds of seating products and different types of areas you
can stand, and there's different technologies that allow you to
buy beer faster and more often. And so you know,
from that, from that standpoint, the experience has changed a bit.
What people expect, like how you get in is often
(04:59):
easier than it used to and so yeah, and so
I think what they have always thought about is you
get people to come early and you get people to
stay later. And again that's the money that you're generating
that you don't have to share with the other thirty
thirty one owners, and that's become highly appealing. As you know, this,
this whole thing has become more competitive. I think more
of the sports ownership groups are looking at these as
(05:22):
businesses and less of like a whole you know, status
play thing that I'm going to hand off to my kids,
and so you're seeing like a lot of new ownership
groups that are coming in with very different ideas. You know,
Josh Harris with the Commanders, and like the Walton family
with Denver, which is going to be added to this list.
I think they've got a project that is brewing out there.
So you know, kind of different ownership groups bringing different ideas,
(05:43):
and then just the changes that have happened with the
same experience over like twenty to thirty years are really
influencing these designs.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, I go back to Camden Yards because they moved
it back into the city and you had the waterfront there,
a beautiful stadium, they had the warehouse there, great. But
I don't know is that becoming obsolete Camden Yards that
are they going to want to do something different.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I don't think it's obsolete, but I think you could
see more around it. So if you think about what's
across the parking lot is M and T Bank Stadium,
which is another one of these where the Ravens played
that's getting renovated. You've got like this massive parking lot
in between that. And so if I'm a parking lot,
I'm like, you know, you're in the crosshairs because it's
the lowest you know, it's the lowest possible use of
land is to is to park on it. And so
and if you think about with Camden Yards and m
(06:30):
and Ty Bank Stadium, there's a train that runs right
by it, you know, so if you can get people
to use the train, you can use that parking lot
for something else. I would watch a city field with this.
You know, you've got a highly aggressive owner who's very uh,
he's got some change and they've got you know, probably
one of the best public transit setups in the US
(06:51):
for public sports, for sports venues, and you know he's
trying to build a casino and basically develop those parking lots.
So I think the new Yards thing is is the
aesthetic and and like the vibes there are probably more
popular than ever, but you just got to have something
beyond it. Now it kind of the stadium itself sort
of bleeds into this next level.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
You know, this next layer.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
What is the least modern stadium or the worst stadium?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Great question, So I would say, uh, the So we
were just talking about Camden Yards. Cam new Yards kind
of sparked this like revival of I don't I don't
know the architectural term, but maybe like neoclassical or something
like that. The one that was built right before that
was I think it's now called Rape Field, where the
White Sox play, And this is the last of the
(07:40):
last stadium before all the cool stadiums basically, and so
that's that's widely agreed with one of the just they
have like no personality.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
It's it's there's there's not much.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
There wasn't that cellular it's it was guaranteed rate US cellular.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I was there, Yeah, I was there the last game
at Kamiski and one of the first ones at the
cell I remember that, you know. Yeah, I think charm
is the word. You're probably like, we want something that
has a little charm to it, a little nostalgia as well.
But what is the best stadium in America? Great questions
(08:19):
like actually modern, modern state. Let me add one more
to the worst ones. Everybody's excited to see what happens
with the RFK because I think FedExField Night or whatever
it's called now, Northwest Mutual something Northwest Stadium is widely agreed.
It's probably the worst stadium in US sports, and in
a location that's out in the middle of nowhere, is
nothing around it. You know, you literally had sewage fall
(08:42):
on people, railings fall over, they got sued. So I
think everybody is stoked to see what happens with with
them and potentially RFK the best stadium. This is a
great question, and it's probably like a bit objective. It
kind of depends sports a sport, it's going to be different.
But I think I really love the mid city kind
of older style ballparks. I think everybody does. I would
(09:05):
even say I would even say the Pittsburgh Pirates have
a pretty strong, pretty strong case, which has always cracked
me up, because if you had promotion and relegation in
Major League Baseball, you know, they'd probably they'd probably be
a single eight team by now. But because because they.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Don't get relegated, they've invested in their ballpark and it's
it's beautiful. The Candy Yards is it's definitely up there.
I mean, they're about to do a major renovation on it,
which will modernize it. But I don't think, you know,
I don't think that's I don't think they're going to
touch any of the kind of mystique of it, you know,
I don't. I don't overly love Benway and Wrigley because
they're they're really really old like so they are very cramped.
(09:40):
And you know, in terms of somebody who visits stadiums,
you know, it's not it's not like a great it's
not a great time. Yeah, that's that's a great question.
I really like Pittsburgh. It's a great it's a great ballpark.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Brett, thanks for joining us. We appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Thanks for having me, all right, Brett McCormick.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to
listen live.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller.
Would mean a lot to have you join us on
our weekly auditory journey. You're asking, what in God's name
is the Fifth Hour. I'll tell you it's a spin
off of that Ben Maler show, a cult hit overnights
on FSR.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Why should you listen?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Picture if you will, a world where we chat with
captains of industry in media, sports, and more.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Every week.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Explore some amazing facts about human nature and more. Listen
to the fifth Hour with Ben Maller on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Jermaine O'Neil, head coach of Dynamic Prep Academy in Irving, Texas.
He played eighteen seasons in the NBA, played for seven
different teams, and back in nineteen ninety six, seventeenth pick
overall by the Portland Trailblazers. Jermaine, good to catch up
with you again. Take me back to that draft night.
What were you seventeen years of age back then?
Speaker 7 (11:01):
Yeah, I was seventeen first of all. Then I appreciate
you having me back, so I was good to see
you and talk to you. But it was a pretty
amazing night. Obviously, back then, the rules were a lot
different from perspective. Once you made yourself eligible, it was
no time period where you can go through your draft process.
It was, hey, you commit, you make yourself eligible for
the draft. You know, you forfeit your college eligibility. And
(11:24):
it was nerve wracking obviously as a seventeen year old
and not really knowing what the process is. But I
was truly blessed to have a guy named Marin Tellham
who was my agent and sona Pa Carol, you know,
who went through the process with me and they helped
educate educate me about the you know, the process that
I was about to go into.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Okay, but seventeen on the road.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Right, So then listen, I got to say this.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
You know, the Portland Trail Blazers did an amazing job
on being prepared for a seventeen year old and all
of my teammates, they made sure that I they did
things with me on the road that you know that
made sense for my age, and they.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Were prepared for me to get there.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
How did they prepare you, because there's a lot of
things that can go wrong on the road, no matter
how old you are.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
One hundred percent though I think a lot of it
is Honestly, I stuck with the core values of how
my mother raised me, making sure that I understood what
my purpose was when I got there. Obviously, I knew
the task of trying to become a professional athlete and
a good professional athlete in basketball was very difficult, you know,
because of that big age gap and transition. But you know,
(12:35):
my focus was you know, you know, always proved not
only to the people that were saying that I wasn't
a great draft pick at the time, but you know,
for myself most importantly that I knew what I was.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Cooper Flags going in that same age, that same age
as Lebron What advice would you give him?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Man?
Speaker 7 (12:53):
Just you know, obviously things a lot different now from
a perspective of social social media, and we're seeing this
impact on how social makes people feel.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
He has to be able to give himself some grace
as well.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
You know, I was just a lot of pressure being
the number one pick, going to a situation that you know,
he lost another really good player, so people are expecting
him to come in and fill the void. He needs
to really just focus on what he can do in
his development and give himself grace over a period of
time that he has to understand the transition from college
to the NBA.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You coached against Cooper Flag, I did.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
You know quite a bit.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
You know, he's he was in my son's originally the
twenty twenty five class, and then he reclassed up I
think his after his junior year. But I've been coaching
against Cooper, you know, since seventh eighth grade.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And what did you see? When did you see it?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
You know, the first thing that jumped out to me
right away.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
He used to wear these I called the Patrick Ewing
knee pass all the time, and he was a kid.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I was like, why why is this kid?
Speaker 7 (13:57):
But his talent level, he always had ball skills, you know,
bring the ball up, you know, beat people off the dribble.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
He's always athletic. You know. The thing that I loved
about Cooper, and I told him.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
Listen to last Nike Eybo game, you know that I
coached against them men, is that he approaches the game
the right way. He's never sped up, he's never shot
chasing right. He can impact the game. But I didn't
even have the ball in his saying how you know
he defends, how he block shots, how he rebounds, how
he communicates his team. So I'm definitely looking for great
(14:29):
things for this kid in his career.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
But Carmelo came out on a podcast I think he
might have been with Paul George and he said that
Cooper doesn't have the bag, like, he doesn't have that
signature move. And I said, but he does everything else.
I mean, he's seventeen, eighteen years of age. I don't
expect him to have that signature move. Right away. Did
(14:51):
you see like he can always be a better shooter,
deeper shooter, but it feels like he can go inside out,
doesn't mind content those kind of things. But offensively, what
would you suggest he needs to work on the shooting?
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Obviously the NBA is about shooting now, so the consistent shooting.
Obviously the three point line is a little bit deeper
than the college. But I would agree with with Carmelo
Carmelo Actuid. You know Cayenne is I was in that
same class, so you know, we've been seeing each other
in jail for a very long time. But from perspective,
it's important that he understands that he doesn't have to
be anybody else but himself.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Right. He's like a Swiss army knife, right.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
He has so many different things that he can bring
to the table and he just needs to focus on that.
You know, he doesn't have a flashy bag, but his
flash is his impact.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I'm talking to Jermaine O'Neil, head, coach of Dynamic Prep
Academy in Irving, Texas and spend eighteen seasons in the NBA.
Do you have a theory on why we've seen these
Achilles tears?
Speaker 4 (15:53):
That's interesting. We've been talking been talking a lot about this.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
I think, you know, one of the things that people
talk about, you know, the pace and the pace this
is really fast. I think from perspective, you know, the
days of practicing, you know, like really practicing. You know,
they don't practice as much, right, they have more downtime,
and when you look at the pace, you know of
how fast they're playing, and I don't know if the
body's as conditioned to play at that pace. So they
(16:17):
have a lot of rest days, not a lot of
contact days.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And so from a.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
Perspective of like, you know, being able to be conditioned
for that quick twitch to change your possession, you know,
that is something that I think has has a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
To do with it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Your kids ask about who you played against or you're
welcome to the NBA moment, did they they want to
know what was it like guarding or being guarded by?
Who's the player? Of players they ask about.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
I don't think the kids really asks They always ask
about how was it right?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
It's always the question of how.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Was it to play in the league, And you know,
you know, how was to play against you know, guys
like Shaq and Kobe and and Obs Lebron and Mike Jordan.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I've been able to play against you know, all of them.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
But what was your welcome to the NBA moment?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Mm hmm A keim Olaja one in Houston, and uh,
that was not a great matchup for me.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It wasn't a great matchup for a lot of guys
your main Yeah, you know.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
And it's so funny, Dan, I don't think people talk
enough about a king like a king is literally he was.
He had the footwork, he had the moves, you know,
he had the jump shot. I mean obviously he's all
time shot blocking, you know, leader you know in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I mean, he just impacted the game and so many
times and many times.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
You know, people don't give him a lot of credit
to us, but he was fasting a lot in his
career and it's hard to do and play at that level,
you know, not being able to.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Eat before games, to eat through, you know, eat through
a period of time.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, I think he's underrated because we look at the
big man and then it's old by oh yeah, then
a chem Elijah one. But you know, his footwork, I
think soccer really him. I thought his footwork was impeccable.
For a big man. He used to just dance with people.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
And you know, I remember killing in the game and
I try to give him all of my files, right,
and it was wasn't the game to sub somebody else
in foul trouble.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
It's eighteen years old, it was. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
But you know, he's a guy that I always liked
to watch because he was almost impossible to guard. You know,
he can hit you with anything, and he was like
a ballerina. I think he just danced with you at
all times.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Did Jordan uh take advantage of you?
Speaker 4 (18:34):
No, I've had a chance to guard him.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
But Jordan is People always have this conversation about, you know,
the greatest, and first of all, i'm you know, these
are these guys are all great, you know, within their
own you know, their own uh you know games. But
Jordan himself had a different or I remember being in
an All Star game and obviously you've been in the
locker room and it's like, you know, everybody's his best
(18:58):
players in the world, right, and we consider us self,
you know, so the best you know in the NBA.
And Jordan's always come in a little bit late, right,
He's a lad. But you can hear him coming, and
what I mean by that, you hear it's kind of
like the noise, and then you hit the cameras and
then he walks in the locker room and everybody just
stopped talking and just he just walks by and he'll
be just looking. He was almost like a god, you know,
(19:21):
to be honest, and you know, he's done so much
for the game, man, But I think his impact generationally
has just been something that we hadn't seen.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
You know before.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Did Kobe have that too?
Speaker 7 (19:32):
I think Kobe had it, you know, I think you know,
obviously Lebron has it as well, but they don't have it.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Was like it's like.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Greating is A and then B and C. You know
what I'm saying from a perspective of like how we
as players, you know, when we see him, right, you know,
I grew up with Kobe, so you know, we're in
the same high school class, so I didn't necessarily look.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
At him that way.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
You know. Michael Jordan is the one that really, I think,
you know, really took the NBA to you know, the
next level.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
You know, with his starting.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Mike has a mystery about him. You know, there's not
a mystery with Lebron, maybe not a mystery with Kobe.
What was Kobe like though you faced him in camps?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, We've been facing each other since we were thirteen.
And Kobe was always dedicated to basketball. And what I
mean by that is like he literally then carried around
a lot of Michael Jordan tapes, Like he would not
do the typical things that we would do at camps.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
He wouldn't really hang out much. He was always studying,
always studying.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
So I wasn't surprised to see the time of career
that he had because he wanted to sacrifice other things
just to make sure he was considered one of the
graces ever play.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I remember talking to Rick Fox some of the Lakers,
and they were out at a bar and I said,
where's Kobe and Derek Fisher. They laughed, and I go,
why you're laughing? They go, he didn't go out. He
stays in his room. I'm like, okay, so.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, I think then I think that was the biggest thing.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Like early in his career, you heard a lot of
noise about he wasn't a great teammate, right iban People
didn't know a lot about him on his own team.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
And I think some of that was that was his
genetic makeup, right.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
He was always studying, right, He's always preparing, and you know,
to a point, it was almost too you know, a
default when it came to how people perceived his own
teammates proceeding because they didn't, you know, get a chance
to hang out with him.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
And that's one of the things that we always do
on the team.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
We are always around each other, and if you don't
see your teammate, then you your mindset is, hey, he
didn't want to be around us.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Or you know, something else. But he was always studying
and preparing.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
This Dame Litard situation is really interesting for me. The
Bucks are going to pay him one hundred million dollars
to not play, He's going to rehab, He's going to
be thirty six. I think it's a huge, huge opportunity
for Dame Lillard and a team that will get him
next spring when he's healthy and could be helping a
(22:10):
team in the playoffs. Your thoughts on what the Bucks
did and Dame Lillard's future, Well, one, I'm.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Not surprised at you about the business now. Obviously, the
apron tax threshold now is in full effect. So teams
are trying to figure out ways to maneuver around that.
So things like this is probably this is probably not
gonna be the you know, last time we see something
like this. But from a Dame Lillard perspective, I think
he now has a true opportunity to win a championship
(22:38):
now because now he gets you just have to have
He's doesn't have to rush back to figure out free
agency or you know, whatever it may be. He can
really take his time and really evaluate each roster, evaluate
you his best fit. And you know, for a player
that gets a chance to basically sit out a year
and prepare, I mean, that's the amazing opportunity. And by
(22:58):
the way, still get paid over the next five Here
is twenty plus million dollars from a team that you
don't play for.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Did people think you were related to Shank?
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, all the time.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
It's funny because me and Shack have family members in
South Caroline, so we did talk a little bit about it.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
But I get that question all the time.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
What was it like to guard him?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Very difficult? You know, I really believe Shaq is he's
a special human being.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Obviously, he's a giant, incredibly strong, very kind, heart, and
I think even to a points as dominant as he
as he was in his career and probably one of
the most maybe the most dominant player at that position
we've ever seen. You know, he really cared about people,
and sometimes he will pull up a little bit if
he liked you in the game, and you know, he's just.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
What do you mean, how would you he wasn't take
it to you?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Well, he will, you could tell like he will, he
won't like.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
It's certain players that you knew he didn't like, right,
And you can tell from start to finish, right, And
then you get in games. Sometimes you see him talking
and laughing with the guys that he's competing against, and
I think some of it was to respect for other people,
but also to you know, shock.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I think Shaq understood just how strong he was.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
I've never ever seen or played against a person that size,
that nimble and that strong, and he could really probably
just you know, people wouldn't grabbing them all the time.
You know, I thought he had great composure, but he
could have really just dominated people if he really wanted
to just destroy everybody.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
The Pacers moving forward, it almost feels like they might
be taking this next year off with Haliburton hurt and
Miles Turner goes to the Bucks. What do you think,
you know, you got Celtics, they're damaged, The Knicks are
going to be there, the Cabs are going to be there.
Seventy six ers aren't much, But I mean the Pacers
(24:50):
were a feel good story and then all of a sudden,
now you're without Haliburton and you're gonna be without Miles Turner.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah, it's one of those things in really pro sports.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
But you know, you obvious at the rooting for the
Pacers to win it, and I thought that they could
win it if it wasn't for that injury. But like
you never know, like in this business, you have to
almost be all in. You know in the year that
you can you can, you know you can get there,
because things like an injury or you know, or a
coaching change or a key player going to a different team,
(25:27):
it derails it and it doesn't really guarantee.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
You know, you you'll get back there.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
You know, hell that was it took twenty five years
to get to that point.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
So I do believe that.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
It's an opportunity for some of the other young teams
with all the injuries you know that we've had you know,
late season with guy's been out all the next year,
like the Orlando Magic, the Toronto Raptors.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
I think I think the Sixers can get back if
they're healthy, you know, dominant.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
But you know, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
When's the last time you dunked?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Probably a couple, maybe a month or so ago.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh okay, just showing off.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
I can go to a right league right now and
leading and scoring. I promise you I could.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah. I still try to stay in pretty good shape.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
And believe it or not, every year I have kids
off from my school or my club that wants to
challenge me one on one. I'm the old guy that
they seem to think that they can beat and have
to remind them that I got paid to do this
for a career, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
So I'm not gonna allow a teenager to beat.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Could you so you could beat Cooper Flag one on one?
Speaker 4 (26:39):
So I didn't. I didn't say all of that.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay, it felt like you were on the verge of
saying that.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
No, I'm not saying all of that right now. Okay,
Where's what I will tell you.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
If I had if we had a possession game, where
we were playing mid post to posts and we're going
to let's call it five one on one.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I like my chances.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Okay, then I don't.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I don't like your response on that though you have
you have no faith in me.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I don't have to see it. I mean, what are
you forty five?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Forty six, forty six?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And and if we're just paying playing in the post, yeah,
you're you're going to dominate Cooper flag.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Listen, I'm saying I will be able to. I like
my chances against anybody in the post at this point. Now,
if we're talking about playing full court, I'm not doing that.
Like I'm gonna lose that battle. These legs don't have
that much gas.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
If I have you against Victor wimben Yama right now
in the post and we're just straight posts, yes, post work, Yeah, yeah,
I think I.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Got a chance. I do. Okay, absolutely, then I can
right now I can work again, Let's be okay.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
You know how these these common when you say you
got to go viral?
Speaker 7 (28:01):
I know, right, So listen, if we just said, hey,
throw me the ball in the posts will go one
on one versus me Garden and and me having offensive possessions.
I still like my chances against anybody because I still
am pretty nimble from a perspective of being able to play. Now,
if it goes to like going up and down the
court and screening rolls and all that stuff, yeah, you
(28:22):
can take me out of that. But if it's mono
on mono, let's post up. I think I got a chance.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So you'd beat Lebron if you post up.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Then, because I believe that if I had the ball
and if we plan just straight post up, yeah, I
believe that I'm strong enough. Still, I think I'm still
agile enough to score in the low posts because I
do it every year.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
I still go on to Basketball Quest. Still, you know
do things. I'm listen.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
I'm sure if you ask Joe Johnson these things, right,
you ask any of the older guys that still work out,
they're gonna tell you the same thing. But then're not
gonna say, look, I can run up and down the
court with these guys, because we can't do that.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
So you could dominate Lebron in the post, is what
you're saying. And Cooper Flag, you can dominate him. I
said that, Victor Winbanyama. I just want to make sure
I got this right, you men.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
I just want to I'm saying that I have I
feel like I have a chance to win a one
on one in the low post, like redout winning or not.
We'll see if we're talking about just playing one on
one in the post. It's something I do every year, right.
I still I still still work out quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And Lebron's not that much younger than you.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
So and man, shout out to Lebron too then, like
forty plus years old doing what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Great to talk to you again. Keep working on the
low post moves, Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I will, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
That's Jermaine O'Neill, head coach of Dynamic Prep Academy in Irving, Texas.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Damn
I'm Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
App spring In Jim Jackson Fox Turner, NBA college basketball
analyst in nineteen ninety two, the fourth pick overall by
the Maps, played fourteen seasons in the NBA. You are
free agent a couple of times. How does it work
young in your career? When or older in your career
of where you're going to go and why you choose
(30:28):
a certain team.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
That's a great question then, and then it depends too
on your leverage. I think a lot of it too
is leverage wise what's available in the market, Okay, because
ideally you want to pick and choose where you go
as a free agent, but unfortunately, for a lot of
guys that don't have leverage, you don't have those options.
So a lot of times you're kind of put to
(30:50):
a place in a situation where it may be where
a need is there, but it may may not be
the best opportunity because you don't have the to get
to maybe Team eight that you wanted to get to
because their options were already taken up. And for me,
after I injured my ankle my third year and got
(31:13):
traded to the Nets right when my contract was expiring,
well after I went then I went to Philly. Then
I was the first time I was a free agent
was after my Golden State year.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
But I was after some trades.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
And where to go was a little bit challenging because
the options weren't there as much as let's say, if
I it was three years before before my injury, I
would have had a lot more options, and then I
could have leaned into that leverage to kind of navigate
where I wanted to go. So it really depends on
(31:48):
the player, the situation, where they're at in their career,
and then what's available in the marketplace, because you know
it Dan a lot of times, if you're on the
front end of the free agency kind of run, then
you got some really good options. If you're on the
back end of that free agency run, when there's not
a lot of slots, not a lot of roster spots available,
(32:08):
not a lot of places to have money, then you're
kind of stuck with what's available, and a lot of times
it can work, but a lot of times it may
not work in your favor.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Did you ever pick a spot a place just to
live because you like the location, the weather, You.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Say, Miami? What did you say?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
But would you rather play in Miami or visit Miami?
Speaker 8 (32:33):
Well, you know, at the time, because of pat Riley
played because he was an iconic coach at the time
and the franchise was still coming off the back end
of those competitive Eastern Conference playoffs with New York and Indiana.
Lonzo Morning was a really good friend of mine. We
came in the draft together. But then also too, I
didn't have a lot of options. I had options, but
(32:55):
not a lot. That was the best of the few
that I had, and that made the most so plus
didn't have any state tax.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Now I wasn't there. I had a couple of coffee there.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
But I will say this is one of the best
decisions I made because from an organizational perspective, they still
treat me like I was there, you know, five or
eight ten years.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Do you have all your jerseys from all your stumps?
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Yeah, I got, I got. I'm missing one.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Damon Stodomarer still has my Portland jersey and I keep
telling him, Bro, send me my Portland jersey. I don't
know what he's doing with it. So my mom has
them all. So that's a lot of collectibles right there
in the base.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
How many teams twelve?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Dang?
Speaker 6 (33:36):
I know, man, Hey, you know, I never would have
thought it.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
I mean again, it's here's here's the duality of that though, Dan,
It's allowed me now going into I thought it was
gonna be a married for life. The injury happened, and
some other things happened. Free agency short term deals a
little longer deals. But throughout that course, I played with
some outstanding, some Hall of Fame players, I played in
(34:00):
some great cities, played for some great teams, and more importantly,
met a lot of great, outstanding business people that I
never would have met if I was just in one city.
So I had to get my mind wrapped around, Okay,
if I'm going to be here and I'm going to
move around, how can I benefit outside of the game
of basketball. And that's what I did. So it was
(34:21):
a blessing in disguise long term, but short term, you know,
it did impact, you know, my overall playing career.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA college basketball analyst Lebron James
had Kevin Durant on his podcast and he said that
Durant's one of the few guys. He brought up Steph
Curry that when he takes a shot, he's surprised when
it doesn't go in. Is there anybody you would put
on that list in today's NBA? And then we could
(34:51):
expand that to former players that when they take a shot,
you're surprised it didn't go in.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Now those are the two really.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
SGA is getting to that point to where, especially when
he gets to his mid range, it's like, oh, I
can't believe you missed a shout Like that end of
the game in the series Just Indiana, when he missed
the shot, It's like he got to a spot and
that's all you want to do as a player. Can
I get to my spot, get up to where I
need to be and get the shot I want, not
what the defense dictates. And when you talk about Steph,
(35:24):
you talk about KD, talking about MJ, you talk about
now SGA. Those guys know how to navigate the defense
good enough to get to their spot. Not whether they
make it. It's whether the defense is involved or whatever.
But the question is make or miss. As a player,
this is the mindset you have. Man, Did I get
my shot? Did I get to where I wanted to
(35:45):
get to? And if that's the case, you can live
with the result.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Would you rather Guard Durant or Steph Curry if you
had to choose between the two?
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Durant, Oh, definitely, and not because Steph is better. Steph
runs too much Manta take. I mean, if he's running
two miles a game, that means you're running two miles
a game. You know what I mean chasing him, let
alone what you're doing on the offensive end, and that's it.
That's like, what would you rather guard why? I can't
(36:15):
say that m J or Reggie. I rather guard Reggie.
Let me take that, let me take that. But Reggie
rich Rip Hamilton the same way. It was certain guys
that put so much pressure on you because of their constant.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Movement that they may not have been Maybe.
Speaker 8 (36:32):
You hear trash out there. They come to get some
trash had to throw away outside.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
There's a lot of jerseys they can pick up, hey, hey, more.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
Than jerseys and that trans ever didn't. It's a heavy,
heavy band out there. But those are the guys, you
know what I mean that that give that give guys
like me trouble because defensive I can get up into somebody.
I can use my strength that or movement. But when
you're constantly moving, running off the screens, those are the
toughest guys to guard.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I would love Lebron to ask Kevin Durant this question,
do you think you're better than me?
Speaker 6 (37:07):
I don't think Lebron would do that, I.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Know, but I would love for him to do it
because I'd love to know what Durant would say. Hopefully
he would say yes, okay, but that's I mean yes,
I mean.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Because and it's no disrespect.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
No, because I would say, do you think you're better
than me? You can say yes, then I can say why.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
And he can break down the area.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yes, yes, I now granted, you know, as the host.
Like if I had Bob costas honor, you know, throw
out somebody Mike Greenberg, I'm not I wouldn't ask do
you think you're better than me?
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Because what would you ask him?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Well, I don't know if anybody really cares like we're
different in what we do. Well, Lebron and Katie play basketball.
I mean that's different. I okay, like my show and
what you do, you know, all those things.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
That's different.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yes, do i think I'm better than Bob? Yes, at
certain things, and then he's better than me at certain things.
But I mean that's not interesting to the audience. But
Katie and Lebron, like when I asked Steph Curry this
is probably ten years ago, and I said, do you
think you're a better offensive player than Lebron? And he
said yes? And it went viral. People went crazy, and
(38:18):
I'm going, it's not crazy. But you know, Steph says
he's better than Lebron offensively. I would just love to
know if Katie would say, this is why I'm better
than you, and I would love to have that discussion,
because then Katie's going to say, do you think you're
better than me? And then you turn it around and
you go why. I think you could have a fun
(38:38):
conversation between two of the all time greats. Now, it
might be be rude for Lebron to say that.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
But how about how about Steve? Steven asking asked the question.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
He can't he can play the book in between the
like he can bring it up like this, Dan, it's
been this conversation like who's better between the two of you?
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (38:56):
I like that?
Speaker 8 (38:56):
Okay, you know, and Katie, I'll start with you if
you're if you think you're better than Lebron, then why
and vice versa. And now you've got this engaging conversation.
And that's not started by Lebron, but it's a mediator
in between, which is Steve Nash and he sparks that conversation.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I like that. I'm gonna give you applause.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
A.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Wait, I know nobody else, nobody else can Marvin.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
Hey, I'm used. I'm used to it. There's only one
person that's my mom giving me a clause. I'm used
to that.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
What is Lebron getting at or Rich Paul getting at
where they're talking about we need to win now?
Speaker 8 (39:35):
For Lebron, well, it's it's It's true in some aspects
because you know he's at the back end of his
career and you put a lot of pressure on Rob
Polinka and management. Now you've got new management coming in
that they have to make some moves. They got to
spend some money to do it. And that's the thing
because now you got all this influx of new money,
(39:55):
new ownership, and if you want the Lakers, well you
want the Lakers to continue to be kind of a
marquee franchised, you got to spend some money.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Look at the teams that have won NBA titles. They
spent money.
Speaker 8 (40:07):
Now, OKAC is a little bit different because they've built
their organically and didn't have to have a big salary
cap and payroll because a lot of the guys were young.
But from the perspective of a Golden State of Milwaukee,
teams like that that now are Boston that were in
that first Apron and now the second Apron. You had
to spend some money. You had to go out and
(40:29):
overpay to get talent to win it. And then once
you win it, you can reevaluate where you want to
move to the future. Because that's what Boston is doing
right now. Boston is basically on a salary dump. They're
trying to get underneath that two thirty million dollars threshold,
so to give them some leverage a couple of years
down the line.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
NBA MVP ons for next season Joker and SGA. Yeah, Venaccianness, Luca,
Anthony Edwards. Who would you, jek.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
I think SGA is going to be the front runner again,
yok is.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
It's tough to go back to back.
Speaker 8 (41:07):
But as kay, I mean Bird did it, Moses Malone
did it. I mean Steve Nash did it, and Steve
Nash didn't won the title. You know what, they had
the best record. You know, one of those years, I.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
See I think Luca, I think it. I think it's
Luca's Do you think it's Luca in La because he's
gonna Okay, we've given it to Joker. What three times
SGA just won. They don't like to do that again,
maybe it's Yannis with a different roster there. I mean,
he put up incredible numbers. I don't see Anthony Edwards,
but I think Luca in shape, high profile team, and
(41:43):
now all of a sudden, like Edon won an m
v P, it focused. It feels like this sets up
for Luca to be your m v pig.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
Well refocused, Luca a more definitive focus. I got in shape.
I stayed in shape because remember Luca came into camp
in shape, and that means the Lakers are winning. Okay,
from that perspective, they're right in the hunt. See all
those things. I think factory when you start talking about
(42:15):
MVP and Luca, this may be what happened with the trade.
Long term, maybe the best thing for Luca because I believe,
and as he should, he probably felt untouchable in Dallas.
He can do whatever he wanted to do in Dallas
that they weren't going to trade him. You know, he
had earned a little bit of that, a lot of
that because of you took him to a conference, you know, finals,
(42:38):
took him to championship game. He did all of those
things at a young age. So it's hard not to
kind of think that, but this may be the reset
that he needs psychologically, because I was I was watching
something damn when they showed look at at nineteen twenty
years old, how he looked, how his body looked, how
he moved, totally different player. If he gets back to
(43:01):
a similar to that, watch out, it's different, and his
mindset is going to be different. How he plays is
gonna be a little bit different, and his impact on
the game and winning, not that he hasn't won, because
obviously what I just talked about is winning, getting to
a finals and getting too a Western Conference final. But
I think that that reset probably is what he really
(43:22):
needed at the time.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
So we're gonna see how it plays out.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Is it tough to stay in shape during the season.
Speaker 8 (43:29):
No, I mean not for a guy like that that's
playing all the time. But travels, I mean, you got
you got train Listen, let me tell you something.
Speaker 6 (43:39):
I travel with the Clippers.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
You got any and everything you need to be a
top tier athlete. You got your trainers to work out
with during the day. You have the set meals, okay,
whether that's the breakfast in the morning, the brunch, have
to shoot around, the dinners at night. But it just
goes back to discipline. At the end of the day,
are you disciplined enough to understand one your sleep is important,
(44:04):
to your nutrition is important, okay? And three taking care
of your body okay. Throughout the season, you're not practicing
as much, so that means that you have more time
to take care of your body. And that falls upon
the individual player because everything basically that a player needs
is there at their choosing when, how where, and how much.
(44:29):
If you choose not to mentally stay engaged and be disciplined,
then that's a you problem. And I think that's something
that Luca got too comfortable with a little bit more.
In Dallas, it came it's like design, It came so
easy for them to dominate at the size in which
they were that they were like, eh, you know, if
I have a beer over here, or I have this,
or I eat this, I could still run it off
(44:51):
and be okay. But long term, those injuries start to
pile up. You're not playing as well, you're not on
a quarter as much.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
He worries you more, Luca or Zion Zion and and
I don't know if enough people are focused on that.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
They were.
Speaker 8 (45:08):
Zion changed though, he changed his body. Okay, he changed
his body. Both both concerned me. But I think Luca,
I don't know, it's something about him. I think this
right here, this this move over, the over you know,
last season and then going into this summer with all
(45:29):
these questions. I think this was a little bit different.
Zion is still in the same place.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Zion doesn't have a role model there. Luca's got Lebron,
Yes that that all he has to do is look
at Lebron and say, that guy that continues to play
at a high level. He's in shape, he is, you know,
he doesn't get although he got banged up, you know,
last in the postseason with his Yeah, but it doesn't
(45:55):
happen very often. It's great to connect with you again always.
Thanks thanks for joining us. Hopefully they get all your
garbage there outside. You know what you're success would be
garbage time for you.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
I think garbage.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Nothing wrong with that. Get in the game, get some
shots off.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Jim, Hey, I.
Speaker 8 (46:12):
Was about to throw my clubs in the other day,
but I played well, so I took them.
Speaker 6 (46:17):
I took them out the fast bitch.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Thank you, Jim. All right, that's Jim Jackson.
Hosts And Creators
Todd "Fritzy" Fritz
Dan Patrick
Patrick "Seton" O'Connor
Paul Pabst
Marvin Prince
Popular Podcasts
United States of Kennedy
United States of Kennedy is a podcast about our cultural fascination with the Kennedy dynasty. Every week, hosts Lyra Smith and George Civeris go into one aspect of the Kennedy story.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com