July 21, 2025 • 50 mins
DP reacts to Scottie Scheffler's impressive victory at The Open Championship at Royal Portrush. Is his quiet domination a good or bad thing for the PGA? Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer breaks down the Steelers' strategic extension for T.J. Watt and debates which is more likely, Nick Saban or Bill Belichick returning to the NFL. Golf Channel Host Rich Lerner describes how Scottie Scheffler can keep such a low profile while dominating the sport, and previews who could become a new challenger to Scottie's throne.
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Scheffler's role to an Open championship. We'll come up with
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Good morning those watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading
the app and our radio affiliates around the country. Let
me start with Scottie Scheffler rolling to the Open championship
at seventeen under. This isn't about his greatness, because we
can talk about that, we have talked about that, but
this is the personality attached to the greatness. And this
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has happened before. You know, the Spurs were labeled boring
because Tim Duncan played a boring brand of basketball. Pete
Sampras didn't really have a personality. He was the face,
the focal point of men's tennis. Mike Trout for a
long time in baseball. Boy, he's so great. So this
is what we're asking for now, growing up in a
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different generation, if you're of similar age. We didn't ask
that of our celebrities. We didn't ask that of our athletes.
It was like, they do something really well, and we
appreciate that. Times have changed. Now you've got to sell
a sport and a lot of times these athletes are
selling themselves, you're selling a product. There's a lot more
involved in this. But this will sound like we're denigrating
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Scotty Scheffler, and we're not. We're just stating the facts.
He plays a very impressive game of golf, but we've
gotten used to Tiger Woods. Well, Tiger wasn't a interesting personality.
His interviews weren't very good. He just played in a
way in a style that we had never seen before.
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It's like, oh my gosh, did you see that? And
he started at age two when he was on the
Mike Douglas Show. We had watched him grow up right
in front of us. Then all of a sudden, you're
watching him dominate the sport, and he dominated in a
way that we hadn't seen. Well, we hadn't seen since
Jack Nicholas. Now, nobody ever said is Jack Nicholas got
a good personality when he was dominating Arnold Palmer had
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a great personality, but he wasn't the golfer that Jack
Nicholas was. Tom Watson great golfer. I don't know if
anybody said, man, but what about his personality? It's different
now because social media and what you're selling and how
you're selling it and I'm watching Scotty Scheffler and he
just is methodical. This is what he does. Nothing's changing,
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this is the way he's going to play. This is
who he is now. He did show personality at the
end on eighteen when it came to his family. I'm
not asking him, you know, to be ready for Broadway,
and he wants to share great. But I've interviewed thousands
of athletes in my career. Some have it, some don't,
some will never have it. Bryce and De Shamba had
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a personality transformation all of a sudden. He went from
you know, the heel in wrestling to the good guy.
He's high five in the gallery and he wants to
be loved, even though he's on the live tour and
you don't get to see much of him. But Scotty Scheffler,
this is who he is. And if you enjoy just
somebody going out and being very very good at what
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they do, no frills, there you go. You got it.
And the numbers I know, you know, for such a
long period of time, and for the most part when
I was at Sports Center, we're waiting for the next Jordan. Oh,
who's the next Jordan Tracy mcgrady's the next Jordan, Penny, Hardaway,
Grant Hill, Nobody's the next, Nobody's the next Tiger Woods.
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Scotti Scheffler can match him, surpass him in some categories.
Here he's not Tiger, he's not Jack, he's not Arnie.
But that's okay because there isn't another Jack Nicholas. There
isn't another Tiger Woods. There isn't another Arnold Palmer. And
that's where you have to accept what you're seeing because
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when it comes to golf, we got spoiled for a
long period of time because people tuned in to see
Tiger Woods had once again not seen that style, that personality,
the expression, like his personality was on the golf course,
off the course. Not a good interview. It's like Derek Jeter.
Derek Jeter famously went out of his way to not
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say anything, but he made you feel good when he
didn't tell you anything. But he was just a great
baseball player. Certain athletes, you know, Mike Trout, we've had
him on. We even said to the commissioner, you know,
do you go out of your way to encourage Mike
Trout to be more of a personality, to be more
out there ready to be interviewed, be the focal point.
Anthony Edwards of the Minnesota Timberwolves. He said, I don't
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want to be the face of the league. There's a
lot that goes along with that. Hey, I'm just a
charismatic basketball player. Okay, is that good enough for this
for us? I should say, because it feels like with
Scotti Scheffler, we're going yeah, but okay, what is the yeah?
But there's no personality. You can't put that in your
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bag when you've got on the golf course. This is
just who he's going to be. So appreciate it for
what it is, for who he is and who he's
trying to be, and that is himself. Here's Jordan's speed,
Scotti Scheffler's good friend. On Scheffler's personality.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
He doesn't care to be a superstar. He's not transcending
the game like Tiger did. He's not bringing it to
non golf audience necessarily. He doesn't want to go do
you know the stuff that you know a lot of
us go do corporately, anything like that. He just wants
to get away from the game and separate the two
because I know that he you know, at one.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Time felt it was too much.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
He's taking it with him and you know, whenever he
made that switch, I don't know when it was, but
you know, to have his hobbies. He's always with his family.
You know, they're always doing stuff. I think it's more
so the difference in personality from any other superstar that
you've seen in the modern era, and maybe any sport.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It doesn't define him. He said that at a press conference.
Winning or losing golf doesn't define me, and I'm fine
with that, you know, joker. I don't think basketball defines him.
I think that's just who he is. Remember the big
rivalry with Andrea Agassy and Pete Sampress. You know Agacy,
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it was style over substance and had his own shoe
and he had the nikon camera. Pete Sampress didn't care
about any of that stuff. But that's who he was.
Who he is even now you don't see him, but
Andrea Agassy, you'll see him doing tennis commentary. So I
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think we're going to be asking for something and it's
not going to be there. Here's the one thing that
I kept an eye on, and that is Scotti Scheffler.
When he's putting That's what I want to know. You
win tournaments, lose tournaments inside ten feet. There was a
while that Tiger I don't think missed a six foot
putt in years. But that's where you have supreme confidence
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and you have concentration. Scheffler from inside ten feet over
four days, had sixty three puts inside ten feet. He
made fifty nine of the sixty three. You will not
beat him. You will not. No one will beat him
if he plays that way. No one. Now, you'll get guys.
There's always going to be somebody comes out of nowhere.
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That's what happened with Tiger. I mean, look at some
of his great matches. They weren't against great golfers. You're like, Okay,
that guy's stepping up and he's gonna take him, take
him to you know, at least make an interesting on
the final day. And you saw that yesterday. There are
some really good golfers. But is Justin Thomas. Have we
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seen the best of him? Jordan Spieth like from age
twenty one to twenty four, have we seen the best
of him? Ricky Fowler, we've seen the best of him.
So who is it? Who's the next guy? And there
will be two or three that will be up on that.
They'll be on the leader board in and week out,
because a lot of times you watch the leaderboard and
you go, who's that? And I follow it. Who's that?
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But Scotty Scheffler's playing. I'm looking at the odds to
win the four majors next year, Masters plus three hundred,
PGA Championship plus three fifty US Open plus three twenty
the Open Championship plus three hundred. I mean he's getting
into the Tiger category. Is he Tiger? No? But could
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he have the same results as Tiger? Could he put
up similar numbers? What was the stat that they had
from his first to his fourth major? It was like
one thy one and ninety seven days, exactly the same
number of days in between tigers first and his fourth.
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By the way, Scheffler may look like he's thirty five,
but he's twenty. He just turned twenty nine years of vague.
Come on, he's here, he's staying. Yes, Yes, that's a
that's an old look. All right, let's come up with
a pole question once again introducing our starting lineup. But
Fritzie is back from his European vacation. Uh Seaton, Marv
(10:09):
Paulie uh Seaton. You're gonna do the honors with the
pole question today.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Yeah, we're gonna use one of Marvin's here that he
sent over. Most reluctant superstar ever, Scotti Scheffler, obviously, Tim Duncan,
he was a reluctant superstar.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yes he was.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Pete Sampress, Yeah, wasn't reluctant superstar. We also have room
for other if we'd like.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So you have Mike Trout, Tim Duncan, Pete Samprass, Oh,
Mike trapped. Yep. I don't know if I don't know
if Scotty's reluctant. I just don't know it. Hmm. That's
a that's a tricky word. Reluctant. That means are you
you don't want to share, or you can't share, you
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don't want to reveal anything. So I think reluctant that's
an interesting word to attach to this.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Anybody unwilling and hesitant, disinclined as a scening of.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, I don't know if he's unwilling. I just he
might not be able to talk about himself or share,
or maybe there's nothing really interesting to tell you, you know,
it's just he even talked about yesterday. He goes, you know,
if I go to Chipotle by my house, I'm swarmed.
But if I go to another Chipotle, and trust me,
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I'm not going to tell you where that is, Nobody
bothers me like okay, Like wow, you can't go into
a Chipotle. Yes, Marvin, you.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Always talk about the difference between being a great player
and a superstar. The players that I mentioned in the
pole question, they're great players. They don't want to be superstars.
They want to do their job and they want to
go home. So I think that's the big difference.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
He is almost like asking more of our our stars. Now.
Now we're saying now, trust me. There are players athletes
who are overrated because of their personalities, Like they're a
great personality, but there they don't live up to the
personality as far as performance goes.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Yes, Mark, It's almost like Odell Beckham was a bigger
star than Julio Jones, but Julio Jones was definitely the
better wide receiver. Ray is that a better comparison?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yes, that's good now, I like that.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Um.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
It made for a frustrating Sunday, and it should have
been a celebration of you know, he was like Katie
Ledecki swimming out there on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
It was everyone was in his wake.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
The guy was I think he was six shots clear
on the turn and he just parted his way home
and he did it so measured and calm. He and
his caddy are having casual conversations about their lie, like
it's another the Honda Open and it should be more celebrated.
How but it made for a the right word here,
a non compelling TV experience yesterday for golf fans and
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non golf fans. And it's not Scottie Schuffer's fault that
he's a great.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
But it feels like we want to blame somebody for this. Right,
he ruined our Sunday. He ruined our Sunday by being
so awesome.
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He's Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterback Senior NFL reporter
back on the program. Let me start with the TJ.
Watt situation, because it's something that we've talked about and
I kept wondering, what are the Steelers waiting for? Ye
if you're all in with Aaron Rodgers and DK Metcalf
and then you have to be all in on TJ. Watt.
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So why did it take such a long time to
get this deal done?
Speaker 10 (15:02):
Well?
Speaker 11 (15:02):
So, like, first of all, like what you're laying out
is exactly why I never thought there was any I mean,
you can put TJ. Watt in trade and a tweet
and it'll probably get a lot of engagement, but that
was never on the radar. I mean it would be
it would fly in the face of everything that the
Steelers have done, which ostensibly this offseason is to try
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to make the most of what TJ. Watt has left,
you know, and going and getting older players that are
more as peers like Aaron Rodgers and Jalen Ramsey and
Darius Slay. So the idea he wasn't going to be
a Steeler in twenty twenty five, as much as people
like to throw those things around, was never on anyone's radar.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
As for why it took so long.
Speaker 11 (15:47):
I just think that there's this fast escalation of numbers
at so many different positions. Now that's probably made teams
a little queasy, and I think for some teams, and
not saying the stealers specifically, but for some teams it's
almost like they want to see proof that that that
that this one deal over here is not just an outlier,
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right like that there are other deals that are going
to come in underneath it. So obviously that deal on
the edge rusher market was Miles Garrett, which pushed the
number from thirty four, which is where Nick Bosa was,
to forty.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Which is a big jump.
Speaker 11 (16:25):
But after Miles Garrett gets done, you have Danil Hunter
doing an extension and he's an older player that was
in the mid thirties, right that deal with on an
average per year bas was in the mid thirties. And
then you see Max Crosby on his you know, on
his fourth contract, I think doing a deal wasn't that
was in that range as well, And so you know
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at that point, not only do you have, you know,
some data points that the TJ. Watt deal isn't an
out isn't a complete or that the that the Miles
Garrett deal isn't a complete outlier. You also have some
older players doing deals that are in that range, and
so I think that's where it sort of became an
inevitability that the Steelers were going to have to go
that extra mile to get him done.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
And the numbers are very real.
Speaker 11 (17:09):
This isn't one of those where the the initial the
initial report is complete garbage and the actual deal is
is much more reasonable.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
This was this was a deal. This was a deal
in the forties.
Speaker 11 (17:20):
And you know, obviously now that's going to affect other guys,
you know, like Trey Hendrickson and Michael Parsons.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, I wonder about that that you know, these teams
keep waiting and waiting, and then it's it's the same
thing you know with the Cowboys with Dak Prescott. You know,
like you're waiting and you're waiting, do you need to wait?
Michael Parsons waiting, waiting. I just don't understand the logic.
But these are billionaires and I don't understand their logic.
So helped me out. Arry Jones is waiting, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 11 (17:52):
Dan, aren't the Eagles a great example, right, like of
doing it the other way? I mean, they got DeVante
Smith done early. That deal looks very reasonable. They've kept
for you doing aj Brown's deal. You know, they took
advantage of Saquon Barkley in a depressed running back market,
Like there are teams that have have moved faster on
these things, you know. And so I'm with you one
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hundred percent on that. On where like that, the waiting
for waiting to do a deal, usually it just cost
you money.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Explain this where it And once again, the timing of
a story coming out is really important of how big
it is or how small it is. The Nick Saban
may come back to coaching and you had, you know,
his one of his former quarterbacks saying he had a
good source here. Paul Feinbaum said this, and now like
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what is this leading to with Nick Saban?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
So I would say that, like maybe there's an itch
that he.
Speaker 11 (18:53):
Wants to scratch, or he wants to at least explore
scratching in the NFL, you know, I I know, I
think Erbin Meyer was on the air somewhere. I think
he was with Colin or someone like that, like and
and he uh, he said something on the lines of
like I He's like, I like He's like, I don't
think I'll do it in college because of all of
the reasons that he left college football in the first place.
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But I could see him doing it in the NFL,
right like, And so you know, I think the possibility
exists that maybe he looks at it and says, if
there is a situation where I can win quickly, where
there's a quarterback, I don't feel completely satisfied with what
happened in Miami twenty years ago. And he every time
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he talks about the NFL, he'll bring up the Miami Doctors,
And there is this assessment of Breeze And if you
remember Dan, I mean, the people were picking them to
go to the Super Bowl in two thousand and six,
which was his last year in Miami. And obviously the
Culpeper thing went the wrong way and the Breeze thing
went the right way in New Orleans. And so there's
always been that question lingering out there. If the Doctors
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had cleared Drew Brees and Miami, he would have signed there,
what would it have become? Would Nick Saban have ever
gotten to Alabama? So the same way we've always asked
those questions, does he ask that question of himself, especially
when he's looking at it and saying the college You know,
the college game's a little too complicated right now. There
are a lot of elements that I just don't want
to deal with. But if I go to the NFL,
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I can just focus on coaching football, and if I
have a veteran team with an established quarterback, I could
maybe step in and be a difference maker, because I
don't think anybody. I don't think anybody Dan thought coming
out of his two years in Miami that he wasn't
a good enough coach to coach.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
In the NFL. Like he was fine as a coach.
Speaker 11 (20:38):
It was the program, you know, and it was it
was that he couldn't win at a high enough level
quick enough to sell the players on what was a
very demanding program.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
But he's adjusted in a lot of ways over.
Speaker 11 (20:49):
The years, so it'd be interesting to see how he
would apply that to the NFL. I don't know, like
what his appetite is for it right now, but I
certainly think that.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
If he made himself available, there would probably be a.
Speaker 11 (21:01):
Team or two out there that would be interested in
looking at bringing him in here in whatever it is,
five or six months from now.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
More likely to coach in the NFL again, Bill Belichick
or Nick Saban.
Speaker 11 (21:16):
I mean, I'd say Bill just because I think I
think Bill would jump at the opportunity. Well, see, that's
hard because I think I think what's happened over the
last year has has sort of damaged Bill to some degree.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Do I think he still has a desire to coach
in the NFL?
Speaker 12 (21:36):
I do.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I don't know that.
Speaker 11 (21:37):
I'm not certain how much Nick would want to coach
in the NFL. I feel pretty strongly that Bill would
like to take another swing of coaching in the NFL. So,
just by fault, by default, for that reason, I would
say Bill. But I think hiring either of those guys
as complicated. It's like almost like I've compared it to
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It's almost like you when Tom Brady he was a
free agent, or when Aaron Rodgers has been out there
the last couple of years, It's like, Yes, that guy's
really good at that job.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
But for a team to bring that person in, they
need to check a lot of boxes.
Speaker 11 (22:13):
Does the coacher quarterback, like the geography of the place,
is the team in a win now spot? Does the
team have a quarterback? Is the infrastructure of the organization,
does it fit that coacher quarterback? Like, I think when
you're talking about these older guys, what limits the pool
of teams that would be interested in them really is
the amount of boxes that you have to check to
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be in a position where there would be mutual interests.
So I think that's what Bill or Nick would be
battling if they're looking.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
To get into the NFL in twenty six.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
He's the Monday Morning quarterback Albert Breer. How much pressure
are the commanders slash of the NFL under with the
President of the United States saying I demand that they
return to their previous nickname.
Speaker 11 (22:56):
I like, as much as this has been talked about, Dan, Like,
when I've talked to commanders people about this over the
last couple of years, I like, every time I go
to them, it's like, that's not even we don't even
we haven't even discussed that. That's not even something that
we would bring up, you know. And so like, if
those conversations are happening in the commander's organization, they are
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at a very high level and they're being kept very
very quiet, I would be surprised, just because I think
it would be a reaction to what's happening in the here.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
And the now.
Speaker 11 (23:34):
And I think it would be asking for another problem
to come up in five or ten years, after everything
that they went through and after all that they endured
over the last twenty years in the fight over that name.
By going back to the name, I think you would
be sort of inviting that same conversation to crop up.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Now.
Speaker 11 (23:55):
Maybe it would be okay at first, but you'd be
inviting that conversation to.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Crop back up up very very quickly.
Speaker 11 (24:01):
And I think there are ways that you know that
Josh Harris and his ownership group and Adam Peters and
Dan Quinn can celebrate their past, can celebrate the history
of the franchise, can honor the history of the franchise
without going back to that name. And I'm saying that
without like presenting my own opinion on it, but I
just think, I just think like going back to that
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name might help you in certain ways today, but I
think you'd be creating another.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Long term problem for yourself.
Speaker 11 (24:30):
And I just I again, like I just haven't sensed
any appetite within the organization to go there.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, the only reason why it probably doesn't go away,
Like the Guardians, the Cleveland Guardians. They're not going back
to the Indians. I think they've already said they're not.
But there's no stadium involved in I know, you know,
the commanders, you know there's a stadium involved in this.
And that's why I don't know if the President gets
involved in that, his hands dirty and saying, hey, I
(25:02):
can hold up this stadium situation here.
Speaker 11 (25:06):
And I and I and I would like on the
flip side to kind of, you know, get behind your
point a little bit. I you know, Donald Trump did
that photo op with with Roger Goodell and Josh Harris
in the Oval Office in May to announce the Draft
is coming to Washington in twenty twenty seven. So I
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just kind of thought to myself, that looks funny, like
what's going on there? And so I started googling, like,
you know, I googled Goodell Trump, I googled Goodell Biden,
I googled Goodell Obama, I googled Odell, I'm Goodell Bush.
And then finally, finally I found a picture of George W.
(25:52):
Bush and Paul tagleybo in two thousand and three promoting
the Kickoff game being in Washington. They did a photo
op to promote I think it was the Redskins and
the Jets at the time playing in the kickoff game.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
So it had been twenty two years since a.
Speaker 11 (26:08):
Sitting president did a photo op with an NFL commissioner,
and it was right around the time when the Pete
Rose stuff was going on in baseball, and so, you know,
I think there's some speculation that that could be tied
to the Justice Department and the ESPN NFL Network merger.
And would Donald Trump put his thumb on the scale
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one way or the other? Like like it does seem
like he's trying, like like President Trump is trying to
involve himself in sports on a bunch of different levels.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And so, you know, I think that's the one reason
why you look at this and.
Speaker 11 (26:46):
You say, you know, maybe maybe that will put some
pressure on the commanders to do something here, because it
is such a big deal getting a new stadium built again.
Like I just I have a hard time seeing them
going back. But you know, stranger things have happened.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, I remember when you know, I saw that the
commissioner of Major League Baseball, Rob Manfred, was meeting with
Donald Trump and they were going to talk about Pete Rose,
and I said on the air, I said, Pete Rose
is going to get on the ballot again. Yeah, you'll
get on the ballot. Now, have I learned some things
behind the scenes with that I have, I just need
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to I have to be careful with that because I
want a second source on this. But you know what
the President was suggesting to the commissioner that you know
these things could happen. We need to have this happen.
And look, it's a victory lap for the president. Is
everybody going to go, yeah, Pete should be in the
Hall of Fame. I think we can all agree should
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be in the Hall of Fame, or at least put
him on the ballot if you want to. But that's
why I'm just curious of the logic, the angle of
this with the commanders and also the guardians. I did
want to follow up the NFL Players Association. This feels
like a mess. Well it is a mess, disaster, But
I want to know what what does this mean for
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the football fan because we can get caught up in
all of this, and we know a lot of the
people who are involved in this. But if I'm a
football fan, why do I care what's going on the
unrest that you know people are stepping down with the
players Association.
Speaker 11 (28:21):
Well, I think first of all, like as far as
big box decisions like eighteen games, it could put a
hold on those, like anything that players have power over.
I think now the union hits the pause button while
it's sorting its own house out.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
You know.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
The other thing is that like you don't know what
the approach to the next executive director is now. To me,
like the executive director of the NFLPA, that's one of
the most difficult jobs in sports. It's different than the
basketball or baseball or hockey union because there are so
many more players and the great majority of players are
twenty two to twenty three, twenty four years old that
may or may not make a million dollars in career
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earnings and try getting those guys to walk away from
a paycheck to make a point, which is the trump
card of any union, right is is we're going to
take money out of the owners' pockets by staging a workstoppage.
So it's a tough group to keep together, it's a
tough group to unify, and this is an opportunity now
for the players to decide what they want out of
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their union, and I think this becomes a seminal moment
for them. So when we're talking about eighteen games, when
we're talking about the owners opting out of the broadcast
deals at the end of the decade, when we're talking
about the next CBA, which will be at the beginning
of the next decade, this could all look different because
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I think the football unions operated a certain way, you know,
over the last twenty years or so, and this is
a chance for the players to reinvent the whole thing.
So they're going to decide what's important to them, you know,
and I think that they need to take the opportunity
to really kind of look in the mirror and and
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and and say, like, what is the function of this union,
Where do we want this to go?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
What are our priorities?
Speaker 11 (30:13):
You know, there are going to be some complex conversations
with you know, with guys who are on the executive committee,
with the player reps, and it'll be really interesting to
see where that goes.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
But when you're talking about eighteen games, when.
Speaker 11 (30:26):
You're talking about work stoppages, when you're talking about what
the broadcast deals look going look look like going forward,
International like anything that the players can affect, anything the
players can stop from happening.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I think now you know.
Speaker 11 (30:41):
The pause button is pressed on that stuff, and you know,
I think it's all of it becomes subject to however
the players want to reinvent things.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Good to chat with you again, Thank you, Albert.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
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Speaker 2 (31:07):
He's greatness and personality personified. He's rich Lerner, Golf Channel host,
joining us from the coverage at Port Rush. Great to
see you again, rich How are you feeling good to DP?
Speaker 10 (31:20):
Let me just begin by saying that you began as
I popped on with Ashley Madison, and now we're talking
to Scott Scheffler. So let me quote Scottie and rhetorically asked,
what's the point, Dan?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Do you have an answer?
Speaker 12 (31:40):
You're really duping? Yeah.
Speaker 10 (31:43):
I've thought, looking hard, like everybody else, about who it
is we're watching and what we're watching, and I've come
to this. Scotti Scheffler is Leonidas from the movie three
hundred with the swarthy beer, the smoldering, quiet intensity. He
reaks havoc, he completes the conquest, and then he goes
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home to the quiet, simple life on the apple orchard
to tend to his wife and child. Yeah, he is,
he's something else. I think inarguably he's one of the
best athletes in the world right now. I don't think
you can dispute that he's there with for Stopping and
Saquon Barkley and Alcarez Sinner and Simone Biles and Shay
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Gilgis Alexander, But he's not a hot commodity, it seems
on the wider stage. So I wrote last night that
maybe Scotty needs to show up on the red carpet
at the met Gala. Maybe he needs to go insta
yachting on the Mediterranean like so many athletes.
Speaker 12 (32:51):
Maybe he needs to digitize his entire life. But that
just is not his thing.
Speaker 10 (32:57):
His thing is to play golf and play it to
the best of his ability.
Speaker 12 (33:03):
So you know, Scotty cuts to him Rich, what's that, Dan?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Are we being fair to him that we look for more,
hope for more, We want more than just hey, you're
great at what you do.
Speaker 10 (33:18):
I mean that that's the benefit of every athlete and
every performer. Now is it's And I think that's Scotty's point,
is it is never enough. He can only be who
he is and Okay, that doesn't seem maybe enough for people.
Speaker 12 (33:33):
And as he said, so he's.
Speaker 10 (33:35):
Won two majors and he'll show up in Memphis and
they'll say, Scotty, do you think he can win the
career Slam? Scotty, do you think he can catch Tiger?
And I think what Scotty's.
Speaker 12 (33:45):
Trying to tell us is that this is not the
be all end all, that if.
Speaker 10 (33:50):
You get on that hamsterr wheel, it's at your peril
that if you have not tended to what's important in
your life, that personal stuff, at some point, the weight
of all of this, the expectations that.
Speaker 12 (34:05):
The roaring chorus of the never satisfied, the.
Speaker 10 (34:08):
Daily referendums on social media, all of that, at some
point will get to you if no amount of wins
can fill whatever hole you might have inside. And with
due respect, I think we saw evidence of this in
the last thirty years with the two previous greatest players
in the sport in Tiger and Phil.
Speaker 12 (34:28):
So Scotty.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
Is I think wisely tending to that first. He is
something of a holy warrior. If you paid attention, he said,
I've been called to do this, and so that suggests
some sort of a higher power.
Speaker 12 (34:48):
I think.
Speaker 10 (34:50):
The mistake that sometimes we make when we're looking at
professed men of God is to think that because they've
an over control to the higher power, that somehow they're
resigned to an outcome and they don't burn to win.
Speaker 12 (35:06):
They're just okay with whatever happens.
Speaker 10 (35:09):
Scotty burns to win, He's just not going to burn
down the house in the process.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Okay, At what point do we dip our toe into
the Scotty Tiger early comparisons?
Speaker 12 (35:24):
Yeah, I think we need to back off. Tiger was
one of one. I mean, let's just let's step back
for a second.
Speaker 10 (35:33):
If you want to do raw numbers, Scotty's twenty nine,
just turn he has seventeen wins, four majors. He won
four times in twenty two, two times in twenty three,
seven times in twenty Forti's won four so far. I'll
give him conservatively one more win, maybe two.
Speaker 12 (35:52):
So Tiger at the.
Speaker 10 (35:54):
Same age, at twenty nine had won forty tournaments forty
to seventeen and had eight majors versus four. Tiger had
ten seasons count ten where he won five or more times.
Tiger ended up with eighty two wins. You're looking for
sort of you know, there's some ball striking comparisons that
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you can make in terms of sheer dominance over his peers.
That's legitimate. Bradle has done that. I think in terms
of gap between number one in the world and everyone else,
I would say it this way. When Tiger won the
US Open at Pebble Beach in twenty by fifteen shots,
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the gap between number one in the world and everyone
else was never wider, not just in golf, maybe in
any sport ever than it was right there. Tiger was
on the shores of the Monterey Peninsula. Everybody else was
in a row boat somewhere near Australia. Used that same analogy,
I would say, right now, Scottie is on the shore
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the California shores, and everybody else is somewhere near Hawaii.
Speaker 12 (37:01):
Still quite a gap. Now, I will.
Speaker 13 (37:04):
Say, if you gain this out, you can begin to
convince yourself that he could crawl into tiger.
Speaker 10 (37:14):
Major championship territory someday. And that's predicated on staying healthy
and all of that, and we all sort of agree
that Scotty's You never do know. That's the lesson of
the last thirty years, Dan. You never do know what's
going on in someone's life. But it looks and feels
like Scotty has all of that taken care of him,
has all of it together. So it would be a
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question of health and motivation. So he's four majors right now.
Let's just say between twenty nine and thirty five players
absolute prime, Scotty wins one major year as we sit
here right now, that doesn't seem far fetched. That would
get him to ten majors. That would put him ahead
of some bedrock legends of the sport. That would put
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him ahead of Ben Hogan and Gary Player. Then you say, okay,
between thirty five and thirty eight, could he get a
couple of more reasonably you could say yes, that would
put him at you know, at twelve thirteen, and then
you're asking for maybe three or four more majors up
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until say in his early mid forties, and he would
have a crack. We'd be in serious discussions about getting
the fifteen. That's where Tiger's at, long ways away a
dominant player and absent the kind of you know, sort
of buzzy storylines that a company modern athletic celebrity. We
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are going to have to enjoy Scotty for the pure
athletic achievement because he will not dabble in that other stuff.
Speaker 12 (38:47):
He's not going to the met galand he's not going
to the Mediterranean on a yacht.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
You're not going to see a whole ton of him
on Instagram except for what he does on the golf course.
Speaker 12 (38:55):
That's about it. Enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
He's all of a player, he's a rich lerner Golf
Channel host joining us from Port Rush, the coverage with
Golf Channel, Peacock and of course NBC. I liken him
a little bit to the Joker that he just shows
up and plays. He's not exciting how he plays. He
does love going home, and there's just a this is
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what I do. This is my job, and I go
do that job and then my job is done. After that,
where's a lot of athletes, Hey, I did that. Now
my job is different. But I need to be out there.
I need to be talking. I'm selling something. I'm a brand,
you know, all of these things. Whereas Joker one day
just walks away, like I just feel like you just
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say that that's it. I'm done. And you're talking about Scotty,
Like he said, golf doesn't define me. So he may
just say I've done what I wanted to do. Now
it's time to do something else, or I have a
calling to do something else. You know, we brought up
Mike Trout, Pete Sampras, Andrew Luck, Tim Duncan. They just
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this is what I do, but this isn't who I am.
Speaker 12 (40:12):
Yeah, they I think what people are getting at. And
I like the comparison to Joker.
Speaker 10 (40:17):
You know, I watched Joker for the you know, I
love basketball, you know that, just you know, for the
pure art of how he plays the game, how he
you know, figures out angles, groundbound and still is able
to dominate in a world of you know, high flyers.
So I think, you know, Scotty, it's why is he
out there?
Speaker 12 (40:36):
This is what he was.
Speaker 10 (40:37):
Getting at on Tuesday. And it's not for the financial reward.
He's made ninety million at this point. Well, it's not
to be beloved, you know, you're not looking for that adulation.
It doesn't appear it doesn't need that from the public.
He's out there because again, if heals he has this calling,
so what what is the calling? It's it's even given
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this talent, go use it, go inspire people simply by
the way you play.
Speaker 12 (41:05):
There is no other ulterior motive there, which is unusual
for Scottie.
Speaker 10 (41:10):
You know, he's not bryceon de Shambo, who's you know,
so like nakedly and obviously in pursuit of love from
the public, you know, and he wants to grow his
his YouTube empire. It's not Rory where you have this
kind of hope and heartbreak week in week out drama,
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which is very appealing. It again, is just this kind
of spartan holy warrior sort of a vibe.
Speaker 12 (41:41):
And and he's.
Speaker 10 (41:42):
More I would say at this point he's more admired
than he is beloved.
Speaker 12 (41:46):
I think he I think he will get to.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
Beloved status, you know, just by winning, just by by
being great, being humble. Your humility is is kind of
not the way of this world anymore, is it. I mean,
it's we're really going to look at me period in time,
and that's not Scotty Scheffler. Again, He's just not going
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to play that game. So you know, we just have
to sit back and enjoy this for what it is.
A guy who's all in for the right reasons on competing,
playing the game the right way. He is a very
good another way to say this, you know, like we
say so and so is a great competitor. Scotty's a
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great competitor. He's a great game player. I call him
right shot Scottie. He has like a next level understanding
of where to put the ball, what is the right shot?
And Dan, I know you love basketball, he played it.
Speaker 12 (42:46):
I love hoops.
Speaker 10 (42:47):
There was a piece of video circulating on social while
back Scotty playing pickup basketball. He played high school ball
in Dallas. He was kind of not surprisingly he was
a glue guy, a defender.
Speaker 12 (43:01):
And a rebounder.
Speaker 10 (43:03):
But in this one clip, he makes a simple bounce
passing a little pocket pass to a cutter and the
guy has a wide open layup.
Speaker 12 (43:12):
He misses it.
Speaker 10 (43:13):
Who's there for the follow But Scottie Scheffler to me,
he was telling because he makes the right play, Like
he has this understanding what is the right play to make?
Now there's certain guys who just have that understanding. My
only concern going forward is is where are the challengers
who is.
Speaker 12 (43:30):
Going to you know, look look him in the eye
and say I want, I want a piece of this?
And I don't know.
Speaker 10 (43:39):
I know, PAULI feels like we're in a little bit
of a you know, a softer era. He's wondered, you know,
where's Lanny Watkins, who would look right through you. Where's
Nick Faldo who wouldn't speak to you for eighteen holes?
Where where's Raymond Floyd? Where are those those guys so
the big cure to see you know, who steps in
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here and wants a piece of Scottie.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I wish Tiger was twenty five years younger. I'm sure
Tiger does too, because we wondered who but who was
Tiger's rivals, like who constantly stepped up? You know Phil
found the banana peel all the time. But who was
their kind? Look at all most of the memorable moments
with Tiger, he's going against guys who weren't big names.
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You know, I would say, in fairness, you know there
was a journeyman, you know, would.
Speaker 10 (44:35):
I would look the guys who famously had some success
against Tiger would be guy just passed away? Any fewer
the Tiger was twenty years old at that point there
were mostly journeymen.
Speaker 12 (44:46):
Think about Bob.
Speaker 10 (44:46):
May at the the PGA Championship at Valhalla, who took
Tiger the you know, to a playoff. Think about Rockam
mediate Tiger on one good leg at Torrey Pines the
OA US Open.
Speaker 12 (44:58):
I will say, in fairness to the Phil.
Speaker 10 (45:00):
Well, you know, Phill won the PGA Championship of two
thousand and five, he won a Master's in two thousand
and six, he won a Masters in twenty ten. He
shot sixty four to Tiger seventy five up. I'll never
forget it twenty twelve at Pebble Beach in the final round. Phil, Yes,
he slipped on that banana peel, but Phil had There
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was a point in time where Phil figured out how
to play against Tiger and how to beat him on occasion.
Speaker 12 (45:30):
VJ two BJ was a hard man.
Speaker 10 (45:32):
VJ won nine times and four at a point where
nobody thought anybody but Tiger could be number one, and
VJ became number one.
Speaker 12 (45:40):
But yeah, at this point, I think Rory's the best bet.
Rory's thirty six.
Speaker 10 (45:47):
But after that, I don't see I don't see anybody
at currently that looks like they're at Scotty's level.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Do you get to go out and play port Rush today?
Speaker 12 (45:58):
No, thankfully. I played with Paul last feed at Royal Dublin.
Speaker 10 (46:03):
I hit thirteen diving death hooks and you know in
the in the heather and the gorse and all the
junk over there, to traps through that looking for golf
balls with my size thirteen's is just an unpleasant experience dance.
So now I took the day off from port Rush
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to be with you.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
What is the toughest golf course that that you know,
the weekend guy can play the toughest golf course you
think in America?
Speaker 12 (46:34):
Is I think?
Speaker 10 (46:35):
I mean from my money, Pine Valley you can get
out of you get out of out of play on
that golf course.
Speaker 12 (46:42):
You're in for a long day.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
If you can get on it, I would. Yeah. Pinehurst
number two was not fun. Oakmont was not fun.
Speaker 12 (46:56):
Oakmont's brutal. Did you play it, dam.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had played me.
Speaker 10 (47:04):
By the way, I'm curious, how was Tama in the
American century?
Speaker 2 (47:10):
It was beautiful, Like it's just it's sort of our
summer super Bowl where you have all of these guests
there and they're all there playing golf, relaxed atmosphere, scenery
is wonderful and we had a great time.
Speaker 12 (47:27):
You have a celebrity just we have a celebrity story?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Do we have a celebrity story? Guys? I mean I
go to bed at like eight thirty rich, so I
don't know. I kind of missed out on what's going
on late night there.
Speaker 7 (47:49):
Yes, Paul, I would just say seeing it in person
the first time for us, the intensity of some of
the celebrity golfers like Steph Curry, John Smoltz and others
that were on the range way early being very very
serious about the competition.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
No, he's looking for you know something, you know juicy here,
you know here like I.
Speaker 10 (48:10):
Give you some I've covered, you know obviously the at
and T Pebble Beach Broan back when it was you know,
the celebrity event used to go to the Bob Hope,
even been over to the UH the one on the
DP World Tour in Europe, there's one at Saint Andrews
Carnousti and Kingsbarnes. I followed Bill Murray one day at
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Pebble Beach. You know Murray riffing for sixteen seventeen holes
and when he's in the mood and he's on is
like watching if you like comedy, He's like watching Tiger
play golf and shoots sixty.
Speaker 12 (48:47):
Four, you know.
Speaker 10 (48:48):
And when Murray's out there, he's Carl Spackler. You could imagine,
you know, Gendah, that kind of stuff. Even though the
ball is careening toward the Pacific Ocean, it's now where
you're the hole. But anyway, Murray on seventeen, you know
the par three seventeenth dan at Pebble, famous where Nicholas
hit the flagstick in seventy two and Watch and chipped
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in nineteen eighty two to part three Oceans Behind, hits
this horrendous t shot right up against the grand stands,
probably thirty yards.
Speaker 12 (49:18):
Right of the hole.
Speaker 10 (49:19):
Couldn't be any worse, and he trapes his over the
grandstands packed and he walks over to his ball, and
somebody from the top of the grandstands stands up and
looks down and yells at Murray, Hey, Bill, Kevin Costner
made Birdie here. And Murray, without hesitating, looked up and said,
Kevin Costner made water World.
Speaker 12 (49:42):
I thought that was exceptional timing.
Speaker 10 (49:46):
And then on top of it, he stoned his pitch
shot to about three feet and made the putt for
par So.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
That great coverage. Great coverage again, I enjoyed it as
I always do live from the coverage at the Open Championship.
Rich Safe travels home. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 12 (50:08):
Thanks Dan, appreciate it.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Good morning those watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading
the app and our radio affiliates around the country. Let
me start with Scottie Scheffler rolling to the Open championship
at seventeen under. This isn't about his greatness, because we
can talk about that, we have talked about that, but
this is the personality attached to the greatness. And this
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has happened before. You know, the Spurs were labeled boring
because Tim Duncan played a boring brand of basketball. Pete
Sampras didn't really have a personality. He was the face,
the focal point of men's tennis. Mike Trout for a
long time in baseball. Boy, he's so great. So this
is what we're asking for now, growing up in a
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different generation, if you're of similar age. We didn't ask
that of our celebrities. We didn't ask that of our athletes.
It was like, they do something really well, and we
appreciate that. Times have changed. Now you've got to sell
a sport and a lot of times these athletes are
selling themselves, you're selling a product. There's a lot more
involved in this. But this will sound like we're denigrating
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Scotty Scheffler, and we're not. We're just stating the facts.
He plays a very impressive game of golf, but we've
gotten used to Tiger Woods. Well, Tiger wasn't a interesting personality.
His interviews weren't very good. He just played in a
way in a style that we had never seen before.
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It's like, oh my gosh, did you see that? And
he started at age two when he was on the
Mike Douglas Show. We had watched him grow up right
in front of us. Then all of a sudden, you're
watching him dominate the sport, and he dominated in a
way that we hadn't seen. Well, we hadn't seen since
Jack Nicholas. Now, nobody ever said is Jack Nicholas got
a good personality when he was dominating Arnold Palmer had
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a great personality, but he wasn't the golfer that Jack
Nicholas was. Tom Watson great golfer. I don't know if
anybody said, man, but what about his personality? It's different
now because social media and what you're selling and how
you're selling it and I'm watching Scotty Scheffler and he
just is methodical. This is what he does. Nothing's changing,
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this is the way he's going to play. This is
who he is now. He did show personality at the
end on eighteen when it came to his family. I'm
not asking him, you know, to be ready for Broadway,
and he wants to share great. But I've interviewed thousands
of athletes in my career. Some have it, some don't,
some will never have it. Bryce and De Shamba had
(03:44):
a personality transformation all of a sudden. He went from
you know, the heel in wrestling to the good guy.
He's high five in the gallery and he wants to
be loved, even though he's on the live tour and
you don't get to see much of him. But Scotty Scheffler,
this is who he is. And if you enjoy just
somebody going out and being very very good at what
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they do, no frills, there you go. You got it.
And the numbers I know, you know, for such a
long period of time, and for the most part when
I was at Sports Center, we're waiting for the next Jordan. Oh,
who's the next Jordan Tracy mcgrady's the next Jordan, Penny, Hardaway,
Grant Hill, Nobody's the next, Nobody's the next Tiger Woods.
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Scotti Scheffler can match him, surpass him in some categories.
Here he's not Tiger, he's not Jack, he's not Arnie.
But that's okay because there isn't another Jack Nicholas. There
isn't another Tiger Woods. There isn't another Arnold Palmer. And
that's where you have to accept what you're seeing because
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when it comes to golf, we got spoiled for a
long period of time because people tuned in to see
Tiger Woods had once again not seen that style, that personality,
the expression, like his personality was on the golf course,
off the course. Not a good interview. It's like Derek Jeter.
Derek Jeter famously went out of his way to not
(05:13):
say anything, but he made you feel good when he
didn't tell you anything. But he was just a great
baseball player. Certain athletes, you know, Mike Trout, we've had
him on. We even said to the commissioner, you know,
do you go out of your way to encourage Mike
Trout to be more of a personality, to be more
out there ready to be interviewed, be the focal point.
Anthony Edwards of the Minnesota Timberwolves. He said, I don't
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want to be the face of the league. There's a
lot that goes along with that. Hey, I'm just a
charismatic basketball player. Okay, is that good enough for this
for us? I should say, because it feels like with
Scotti Scheffler, we're going yeah, but okay, what is the yeah?
But there's no personality. You can't put that in your
(05:59):
bag when you've got on the golf course. This is
just who he's going to be. So appreciate it for
what it is, for who he is and who he's
trying to be, and that is himself. Here's Jordan's speed,
Scotti Scheffler's good friend. On Scheffler's personality.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
He doesn't care to be a superstar. He's not transcending
the game like Tiger did. He's not bringing it to
non golf audience necessarily. He doesn't want to go do
you know the stuff that you know a lot of
us go do corporately, anything like that. He just wants
to get away from the game and separate the two
because I know that he you know, at one.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Time felt it was too much.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
He's taking it with him and you know, whenever he
made that switch, I don't know when it was, but
you know, to have his hobbies. He's always with his family.
You know, they're always doing stuff. I think it's more
so the difference in personality from any other superstar that
you've seen in the modern era, and maybe any sport.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It doesn't define him. He said that at a press conference.
Winning or losing golf doesn't define me, and I'm fine
with that, you know, joker. I don't think basketball defines him.
I think that's just who he is. Remember the big
rivalry with Andrea Agassy and Pete Sampress. You know Agacy,
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it was style over substance and had his own shoe
and he had the nikon camera. Pete Sampress didn't care
about any of that stuff. But that's who he was.
Who he is even now you don't see him, but
Andrea Agassy, you'll see him doing tennis commentary. So I
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think we're going to be asking for something and it's
not going to be there. Here's the one thing that
I kept an eye on, and that is Scotti Scheffler.
When he's putting That's what I want to know. You
win tournaments, lose tournaments inside ten feet. There was a
while that Tiger I don't think missed a six foot
putt in years. But that's where you have supreme confidence
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and you have concentration. Scheffler from inside ten feet over
four days, had sixty three puts inside ten feet. He
made fifty nine of the sixty three. You will not
beat him. You will not. No one will beat him
if he plays that way. No one. Now, you'll get guys.
There's always going to be somebody comes out of nowhere.
(08:21):
That's what happened with Tiger. I mean, look at some
of his great matches. They weren't against great golfers. You're like, Okay,
that guy's stepping up and he's gonna take him, take
him to you know, at least make an interesting on
the final day. And you saw that yesterday. There are
some really good golfers. But is Justin Thomas. Have we
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seen the best of him? Jordan Spieth like from age
twenty one to twenty four, have we seen the best
of him? Ricky Fowler, we've seen the best of him.
So who is it? Who's the next guy? And there
will be two or three that will be up on that.
They'll be on the leader board in and week out,
because a lot of times you watch the leaderboard and
you go, who's that? And I follow it. Who's that?
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But Scotty Scheffler's playing. I'm looking at the odds to
win the four majors next year, Masters plus three hundred,
PGA Championship plus three fifty US Open plus three twenty
the Open Championship plus three hundred. I mean he's getting
into the Tiger category. Is he Tiger? No? But could
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he have the same results as Tiger? Could he put
up similar numbers? What was the stat that they had
from his first to his fourth major? It was like
one thy one and ninety seven days, exactly the same
number of days in between tigers first and his fourth.
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By the way, Scheffler may look like he's thirty five,
but he's twenty. He just turned twenty nine years of vague.
Come on, he's here, he's staying. Yes, Yes, that's a
that's an old look. All right, let's come up with
a pole question once again introducing our starting lineup. But
Fritzie is back from his European vacation. Uh Seaton, Marv
(10:09):
Paulie uh Seaton. You're gonna do the honors with the
pole question today.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Yeah, we're gonna use one of Marvin's here that he
sent over. Most reluctant superstar ever, Scotti Scheffler, obviously, Tim Duncan,
he was a reluctant superstar.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yes he was.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Pete Sampress, Yeah, wasn't reluctant superstar. We also have room
for other if we'd like.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So you have Mike Trout, Tim Duncan, Pete Samprass, Oh,
Mike trapped. Yep. I don't know if I don't know
if Scotty's reluctant. I just don't know it. Hmm. That's
a that's a tricky word. Reluctant. That means are you
you don't want to share, or you can't share, you
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don't want to reveal anything. So I think reluctant that's
an interesting word to attach to this.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Anybody unwilling and hesitant, disinclined as a scening of.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, I don't know if he's unwilling. I just he
might not be able to talk about himself or share,
or maybe there's nothing really interesting to tell you, you know,
it's just he even talked about yesterday. He goes, you know,
if I go to Chipotle by my house, I'm swarmed.
But if I go to another Chipotle, and trust me,
(11:35):
I'm not going to tell you where that is, Nobody
bothers me like okay, Like wow, you can't go into
a Chipotle. Yes, Marvin, you.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Always talk about the difference between being a great player
and a superstar. The players that I mentioned in the
pole question, they're great players. They don't want to be superstars.
They want to do their job and they want to
go home. So I think that's the big difference.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
He is almost like asking more of our our stars. Now.
Now we're saying now, trust me. There are players athletes
who are overrated because of their personalities, Like they're a
great personality, but there they don't live up to the
personality as far as performance goes.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Yes, Mark, It's almost like Odell Beckham was a bigger
star than Julio Jones, but Julio Jones was definitely the
better wide receiver. Ray is that a better comparison?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yes, that's good now, I like that.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Um.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
It made for a frustrating Sunday, and it should have
been a celebration of you know, he was like Katie
Ledecki swimming out there on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
It was everyone was in his wake.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
The guy was I think he was six shots clear
on the turn and he just parted his way home
and he did it so measured and calm. He and
his caddy are having casual conversations about their lie, like
it's another the Honda Open and it should be more celebrated.
How but it made for a the right word here,
a non compelling TV experience yesterday for golf fans and
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non golf fans. And it's not Scottie Schuffer's fault that
he's a great.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
But it feels like we want to blame somebody for this. Right,
he ruined our Sunday. He ruined our Sunday by being
so awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
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Speaker 2 (14:36):
He's Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterback Senior NFL reporter
back on the program. Let me start with the TJ.
Watt situation, because it's something that we've talked about and
I kept wondering, what are the Steelers waiting for? Ye
if you're all in with Aaron Rodgers and DK Metcalf
and then you have to be all in on TJ. Watt.
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So why did it take such a long time to
get this deal done?
Speaker 10 (15:02):
Well?
Speaker 11 (15:02):
So, like, first of all, like what you're laying out
is exactly why I never thought there was any I mean,
you can put TJ. Watt in trade and a tweet
and it'll probably get a lot of engagement, but that
was never on the radar. I mean it would be
it would fly in the face of everything that the
Steelers have done, which ostensibly this offseason is to try
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to make the most of what TJ. Watt has left,
you know, and going and getting older players that are
more as peers like Aaron Rodgers and Jalen Ramsey and
Darius Slay. So the idea he wasn't going to be
a Steeler in twenty twenty five, as much as people
like to throw those things around, was never on anyone's radar.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
As for why it took so long.
Speaker 11 (15:47):
I just think that there's this fast escalation of numbers
at so many different positions. Now that's probably made teams
a little queasy, and I think for some teams, and
not saying the stealers specifically, but for some teams it's
almost like they want to see proof that that that
that this one deal over here is not just an outlier,
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right like that there are other deals that are going
to come in underneath it. So obviously that deal on
the edge rusher market was Miles Garrett, which pushed the
number from thirty four, which is where Nick Bosa was,
to forty.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Which is a big jump.
Speaker 11 (16:25):
But after Miles Garrett gets done, you have Danil Hunter
doing an extension and he's an older player that was
in the mid thirties, right that deal with on an
average per year bas was in the mid thirties. And
then you see Max Crosby on his you know, on
his fourth contract, I think doing a deal wasn't that
was in that range as well, And so you know
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at that point, not only do you have, you know,
some data points that the TJ. Watt deal isn't an
out isn't a complete or that the that the Miles
Garrett deal isn't a complete outlier. You also have some
older players doing deals that are in that range, and
so I think that's where it sort of became an
inevitability that the Steelers were going to have to go
that extra mile to get him done.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
And the numbers are very real.
Speaker 11 (17:09):
This isn't one of those where the the initial the
initial report is complete garbage and the actual deal is
is much more reasonable.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
This was this was a deal. This was a deal
in the forties.
Speaker 11 (17:20):
And you know, obviously now that's going to affect other guys,
you know, like Trey Hendrickson and Michael Parsons.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, I wonder about that that you know, these teams
keep waiting and waiting, and then it's it's the same
thing you know with the Cowboys with Dak Prescott. You know,
like you're waiting and you're waiting, do you need to wait?
Michael Parsons waiting, waiting. I just don't understand the logic.
But these are billionaires and I don't understand their logic.
So helped me out. Arry Jones is waiting, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 11 (17:52):
Dan, aren't the Eagles a great example, right, like of
doing it the other way? I mean, they got DeVante
Smith done early. That deal looks very reasonable. They've kept
for you doing aj Brown's deal. You know, they took
advantage of Saquon Barkley in a depressed running back market,
Like there are teams that have have moved faster on
these things, you know. And so I'm with you one
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hundred percent on that. On where like that, the waiting
for waiting to do a deal, usually it just cost
you money.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Explain this where it And once again, the timing of
a story coming out is really important of how big
it is or how small it is. The Nick Saban
may come back to coaching and you had, you know,
his one of his former quarterbacks saying he had a
good source here. Paul Feinbaum said this, and now like
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what is this leading to with Nick Saban?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
So I would say that, like maybe there's an itch
that he.
Speaker 11 (18:53):
Wants to scratch, or he wants to at least explore
scratching in the NFL, you know, I I know, I
think Erbin Meyer was on the air somewhere. I think
he was with Colin or someone like that, like and
and he uh, he said something on the lines of
like I He's like, I like He's like, I don't
think I'll do it in college because of all of
the reasons that he left college football in the first place.
(19:15):
But I could see him doing it in the NFL,
right like, And so you know, I think the possibility
exists that maybe he looks at it and says, if
there is a situation where I can win quickly, where
there's a quarterback, I don't feel completely satisfied with what
happened in Miami twenty years ago. And he every time
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he talks about the NFL, he'll bring up the Miami Doctors,
And there is this assessment of Breeze And if you
remember Dan, I mean, the people were picking them to
go to the Super Bowl in two thousand and six,
which was his last year in Miami. And obviously the
Culpeper thing went the wrong way and the Breeze thing
went the right way in New Orleans. And so there's
always been that question lingering out there. If the Doctors
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had cleared Drew Brees and Miami, he would have signed there,
what would it have become? Would Nick Saban have ever
gotten to Alabama? So the same way we've always asked
those questions, does he ask that question of himself, especially
when he's looking at it and saying the college You know,
the college game's a little too complicated right now. There
are a lot of elements that I just don't want
to deal with. But if I go to the NFL,
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I can just focus on coaching football, and if I
have a veteran team with an established quarterback, I could
maybe step in and be a difference maker, because I
don't think anybody. I don't think anybody Dan thought coming
out of his two years in Miami that he wasn't
a good enough coach to coach.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
In the NFL. Like he was fine as a coach.
Speaker 11 (20:38):
It was the program, you know, and it was it
was that he couldn't win at a high enough level
quick enough to sell the players on what was a
very demanding program.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
But he's adjusted in a lot of ways over.
Speaker 11 (20:49):
The years, so it'd be interesting to see how he
would apply that to the NFL. I don't know, like
what his appetite is for it right now, but I
certainly think that.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
If he made himself available, there would probably be a.
Speaker 11 (21:01):
Team or two out there that would be interested in
looking at bringing him in here in whatever it is,
five or six months from now.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
More likely to coach in the NFL again, Bill Belichick
or Nick Saban.
Speaker 11 (21:16):
I mean, I'd say Bill just because I think I
think Bill would jump at the opportunity. Well, see, that's
hard because I think I think what's happened over the
last year has has sort of damaged Bill to some degree.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Do I think he still has a desire to coach
in the NFL?
Speaker 12 (21:36):
I do.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I don't know that.
Speaker 11 (21:37):
I'm not certain how much Nick would want to coach
in the NFL. I feel pretty strongly that Bill would
like to take another swing of coaching in the NFL. So,
just by fault, by default, for that reason, I would
say Bill. But I think hiring either of those guys
as complicated. It's like almost like I've compared it to
(21:58):
It's almost like you when Tom Brady he was a
free agent, or when Aaron Rodgers has been out there
the last couple of years, It's like, Yes, that guy's
really good at that job.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
But for a team to bring that person in, they
need to check a lot of boxes.
Speaker 11 (22:13):
Does the coacher quarterback, like the geography of the place,
is the team in a win now spot? Does the
team have a quarterback? Is the infrastructure of the organization,
does it fit that coacher quarterback? Like, I think when
you're talking about these older guys, what limits the pool
of teams that would be interested in them really is
the amount of boxes that you have to check to
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be in a position where there would be mutual interests.
So I think that's what Bill or Nick would be
battling if they're looking.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
To get into the NFL in twenty six.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
He's the Monday Morning quarterback Albert Breer. How much pressure
are the commanders slash of the NFL under with the
President of the United States saying I demand that they
return to their previous nickname.
Speaker 11 (22:56):
I like, as much as this has been talked about, Dan, Like,
when I've talked to commanders people about this over the
last couple of years, I like, every time I go
to them, it's like, that's not even we don't even
we haven't even discussed that. That's not even something that
we would bring up, you know. And so like, if
those conversations are happening in the commander's organization, they are
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at a very high level and they're being kept very
very quiet, I would be surprised, just because I think
it would be a reaction to what's happening in the here.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
And the now.
Speaker 11 (23:34):
And I think it would be asking for another problem
to come up in five or ten years, after everything
that they went through and after all that they endured
over the last twenty years in the fight over that name.
By going back to the name, I think you would
be sort of inviting that same conversation to crop up.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Now.
Speaker 11 (23:55):
Maybe it would be okay at first, but you'd be
inviting that conversation to.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Crop back up up very very quickly.
Speaker 11 (24:01):
And I think there are ways that you know that
Josh Harris and his ownership group and Adam Peters and
Dan Quinn can celebrate their past, can celebrate the history
of the franchise, can honor the history of the franchise
without going back to that name. And I'm saying that
without like presenting my own opinion on it, but I
just think, I just think like going back to that
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name might help you in certain ways today, but I
think you'd be creating another.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Long term problem for yourself.
Speaker 11 (24:30):
And I just I again, like I just haven't sensed
any appetite within the organization to go there.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, the only reason why it probably doesn't go away,
Like the Guardians, the Cleveland Guardians. They're not going back
to the Indians. I think they've already said they're not.
But there's no stadium involved in I know, you know,
the commanders, you know there's a stadium involved in this.
And that's why I don't know if the President gets
involved in that, his hands dirty and saying, hey, I
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can hold up this stadium situation here.
Speaker 11 (25:06):
And I and I and I would like on the
flip side to kind of, you know, get behind your
point a little bit. I you know, Donald Trump did
that photo op with with Roger Goodell and Josh Harris
in the Oval Office in May to announce the Draft
is coming to Washington in twenty twenty seven. So I
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just kind of thought to myself, that looks funny, like
what's going on there? And so I started googling, like,
you know, I googled Goodell Trump, I googled Goodell Biden,
I googled Goodell Obama, I googled Odell, I'm Goodell Bush.
And then finally, finally I found a picture of George W.
(25:52):
Bush and Paul tagleybo in two thousand and three promoting
the Kickoff game being in Washington. They did a photo
op to promote I think it was the Redskins and
the Jets at the time playing in the kickoff game.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
So it had been twenty two years since a.
Speaker 11 (26:08):
Sitting president did a photo op with an NFL commissioner,
and it was right around the time when the Pete
Rose stuff was going on in baseball, and so, you know,
I think there's some speculation that that could be tied
to the Justice Department and the ESPN NFL Network merger.
And would Donald Trump put his thumb on the scale
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one way or the other? Like like it does seem
like he's trying, like like President Trump is trying to
involve himself in sports on a bunch of different levels.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And so, you know, I think that's the one reason
why you look at this and.
Speaker 11 (26:46):
You say, you know, maybe maybe that will put some
pressure on the commanders to do something here, because it
is such a big deal getting a new stadium built again.
Like I just I have a hard time seeing them
going back. But you know, stranger things have happened.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, I remember when you know, I saw that the
commissioner of Major League Baseball, Rob Manfred, was meeting with
Donald Trump and they were going to talk about Pete Rose,
and I said on the air, I said, Pete Rose
is going to get on the ballot again. Yeah, you'll
get on the ballot. Now, have I learned some things
behind the scenes with that I have, I just need
(27:25):
to I have to be careful with that because I
want a second source on this. But you know what
the President was suggesting to the commissioner that you know
these things could happen. We need to have this happen.
And look, it's a victory lap for the president. Is
everybody going to go, yeah, Pete should be in the
Hall of Fame. I think we can all agree should
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be in the Hall of Fame, or at least put
him on the ballot if you want to. But that's
why I'm just curious of the logic, the angle of
this with the commanders and also the guardians. I did
want to follow up the NFL Players Association. This feels
like a mess. Well it is a mess, disaster, But
I want to know what what does this mean for
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the football fan because we can get caught up in
all of this, and we know a lot of the
people who are involved in this. But if I'm a
football fan, why do I care what's going on the
unrest that you know people are stepping down with the
players Association.
Speaker 11 (28:21):
Well, I think first of all, like as far as
big box decisions like eighteen games, it could put a
hold on those, like anything that players have power over.
I think now the union hits the pause button while
it's sorting its own house out.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
You know.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
The other thing is that like you don't know what
the approach to the next executive director is now. To me,
like the executive director of the NFLPA, that's one of
the most difficult jobs in sports. It's different than the
basketball or baseball or hockey union because there are so
many more players and the great majority of players are
twenty two to twenty three, twenty four years old that
may or may not make a million dollars in career
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earnings and try getting those guys to walk away from
a paycheck to make a point, which is the trump
card of any union, right is is we're going to
take money out of the owners' pockets by staging a workstoppage.
So it's a tough group to keep together, it's a
tough group to unify, and this is an opportunity now
for the players to decide what they want out of
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their union, and I think this becomes a seminal moment
for them. So when we're talking about eighteen games, when
we're talking about the owners opting out of the broadcast
deals at the end of the decade, when we're talking
about the next CBA, which will be at the beginning
of the next decade, this could all look different because
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I think the football unions operated a certain way, you know,
over the last twenty years or so, and this is
a chance for the players to reinvent the whole thing.
So they're going to decide what's important to them, you know,
and I think that they need to take the opportunity
to really kind of look in the mirror and and
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and and say, like, what is the function of this union,
Where do we want this to go?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
What are our priorities?
Speaker 11 (30:13):
You know, there are going to be some complex conversations
with you know, with guys who are on the executive committee,
with the player reps, and it'll be really interesting to
see where that goes.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
But when you're talking about eighteen games, when.
Speaker 11 (30:26):
You're talking about work stoppages, when you're talking about what
the broadcast deals look going look look like going forward,
International like anything that the players can affect, anything the
players can stop from happening.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I think now you know.
Speaker 11 (30:41):
The pause button is pressed on that stuff, and you know,
I think it's all of it becomes subject to however
the players want to reinvent things.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Good to chat with you again, Thank you, Albert.
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Speaker 2 (31:07):
He's greatness and personality personified. He's rich Lerner, Golf Channel host,
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see you again, rich How are you feeling good to DP?
Speaker 10 (31:20):
Let me just begin by saying that you began as
I popped on with Ashley Madison, and now we're talking
to Scott Scheffler. So let me quote Scottie and rhetorically asked,
what's the point, Dan?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Do you have an answer?
Speaker 12 (31:40):
You're really duping? Yeah.
Speaker 10 (31:43):
I've thought, looking hard, like everybody else, about who it
is we're watching and what we're watching, and I've come
to this. Scotti Scheffler is Leonidas from the movie three
hundred with the swarthy beer, the smoldering, quiet intensity. He
reaks havoc, he completes the conquest, and then he goes
(32:05):
home to the quiet, simple life on the apple orchard
to tend to his wife and child. Yeah, he is,
he's something else. I think inarguably he's one of the
best athletes in the world right now. I don't think
you can dispute that he's there with for Stopping and
Saquon Barkley and Alcarez Sinner and Simone Biles and Shay
(32:31):
Gilgis Alexander, But he's not a hot commodity, it seems
on the wider stage. So I wrote last night that
maybe Scotty needs to show up on the red carpet
at the met Gala. Maybe he needs to go insta
yachting on the Mediterranean like so many athletes.
Speaker 12 (32:51):
Maybe he needs to digitize his entire life. But that
just is not his thing.
Speaker 10 (32:57):
His thing is to play golf and play it to
the best of his ability.
Speaker 12 (33:03):
So you know, Scotty cuts to him Rich, what's that, Dan?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Are we being fair to him that we look for more,
hope for more, We want more than just hey, you're
great at what you do.
Speaker 10 (33:18):
I mean that that's the benefit of every athlete and
every performer. Now is it's And I think that's Scotty's point,
is it is never enough. He can only be who
he is and Okay, that doesn't seem maybe enough for people.
Speaker 12 (33:33):
And as he said, so he's.
Speaker 10 (33:35):
Won two majors and he'll show up in Memphis and
they'll say, Scotty, do you think he can win the
career Slam? Scotty, do you think he can catch Tiger?
And I think what Scotty's.
Speaker 12 (33:45):
Trying to tell us is that this is not the
be all end all, that if.
Speaker 10 (33:50):
You get on that hamsterr wheel, it's at your peril
that if you have not tended to what's important in
your life, that personal stuff, at some point, the weight
of all of this, the expectations that.
Speaker 12 (34:05):
The roaring chorus of the never satisfied, the.
Speaker 10 (34:08):
Daily referendums on social media, all of that, at some
point will get to you if no amount of wins
can fill whatever hole you might have inside. And with
due respect, I think we saw evidence of this in
the last thirty years with the two previous greatest players
in the sport in Tiger and Phil.
Speaker 12 (34:28):
So Scotty.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
Is I think wisely tending to that first. He is
something of a holy warrior. If you paid attention, he said,
I've been called to do this, and so that suggests
some sort of a higher power.
Speaker 12 (34:48):
I think.
Speaker 10 (34:50):
The mistake that sometimes we make when we're looking at
professed men of God is to think that because they've
an over control to the higher power, that somehow they're
resigned to an outcome and they don't burn to win.
Speaker 12 (35:06):
They're just okay with whatever happens.
Speaker 10 (35:09):
Scotty burns to win, He's just not going to burn
down the house in the process.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Okay, At what point do we dip our toe into
the Scotty Tiger early comparisons?
Speaker 12 (35:24):
Yeah, I think we need to back off. Tiger was
one of one. I mean, let's just let's step back
for a second.
Speaker 10 (35:33):
If you want to do raw numbers, Scotty's twenty nine,
just turn he has seventeen wins, four majors. He won
four times in twenty two, two times in twenty three,
seven times in twenty Forti's won four so far. I'll
give him conservatively one more win, maybe two.
Speaker 12 (35:52):
So Tiger at the.
Speaker 10 (35:54):
Same age, at twenty nine had won forty tournaments forty
to seventeen and had eight majors versus four. Tiger had
ten seasons count ten where he won five or more times.
Tiger ended up with eighty two wins. You're looking for
sort of you know, there's some ball striking comparisons that
(36:14):
you can make in terms of sheer dominance over his peers.
That's legitimate. Bradle has done that. I think in terms
of gap between number one in the world and everyone else,
I would say it this way. When Tiger won the
US Open at Pebble Beach in twenty by fifteen shots,
(36:35):
the gap between number one in the world and everyone
else was never wider, not just in golf, maybe in
any sport ever than it was right there. Tiger was
on the shores of the Monterey Peninsula. Everybody else was
in a row boat somewhere near Australia. Used that same analogy,
I would say, right now, Scottie is on the shore
(36:56):
the California shores, and everybody else is somewhere near Hawaii.
Speaker 12 (37:01):
Still quite a gap. Now, I will.
Speaker 13 (37:04):
Say, if you gain this out, you can begin to
convince yourself that he could crawl into tiger.
Speaker 10 (37:14):
Major championship territory someday. And that's predicated on staying healthy
and all of that, and we all sort of agree
that Scotty's You never do know. That's the lesson of
the last thirty years, Dan. You never do know what's
going on in someone's life. But it looks and feels
like Scotty has all of that taken care of him,
has all of it together. So it would be a
(37:36):
question of health and motivation. So he's four majors right now.
Let's just say between twenty nine and thirty five players
absolute prime, Scotty wins one major year as we sit
here right now, that doesn't seem far fetched. That would
get him to ten majors. That would put him ahead
of some bedrock legends of the sport. That would put
(37:58):
him ahead of Ben Hogan and Gary Player. Then you say, okay,
between thirty five and thirty eight, could he get a
couple of more reasonably you could say yes, that would
put him at you know, at twelve thirteen, and then
you're asking for maybe three or four more majors up
(38:18):
until say in his early mid forties, and he would
have a crack. We'd be in serious discussions about getting
the fifteen. That's where Tiger's at, long ways away a
dominant player and absent the kind of you know, sort
of buzzy storylines that a company modern athletic celebrity. We
(38:41):
are going to have to enjoy Scotty for the pure
athletic achievement because he will not dabble in that other stuff.
Speaker 12 (38:47):
He's not going to the met galand he's not going
to the Mediterranean on a yacht.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
You're not going to see a whole ton of him
on Instagram except for what he does on the golf course.
Speaker 12 (38:55):
That's about it. Enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
He's all of a player, he's a rich lerner Golf
Channel host joining us from Port Rush, the coverage with
Golf Channel, Peacock and of course NBC. I liken him
a little bit to the Joker that he just shows
up and plays. He's not exciting how he plays. He
does love going home, and there's just a this is
(39:23):
what I do. This is my job, and I go
do that job and then my job is done. After that,
where's a lot of athletes, Hey, I did that. Now
my job is different. But I need to be out there.
I need to be talking. I'm selling something. I'm a brand,
you know, all of these things. Whereas Joker one day
just walks away, like I just feel like you just
(39:45):
say that that's it. I'm done. And you're talking about Scotty,
Like he said, golf doesn't define me. So he may
just say I've done what I wanted to do. Now
it's time to do something else, or I have a
calling to do something else. You know, we brought up
Mike Trout, Pete Sampras, Andrew Luck, Tim Duncan. They just
(40:08):
this is what I do, but this isn't who I am.
Speaker 12 (40:12):
Yeah, they I think what people are getting at. And
I like the comparison to Joker.
Speaker 10 (40:17):
You know, I watched Joker for the you know, I
love basketball, you know that, just you know, for the
pure art of how he plays the game, how he
you know, figures out angles, groundbound and still is able
to dominate in a world of you know, high flyers.
So I think, you know, Scotty, it's why is he
out there?
Speaker 12 (40:36):
This is what he was.
Speaker 10 (40:37):
Getting at on Tuesday. And it's not for the financial reward.
He's made ninety million at this point. Well, it's not
to be beloved, you know, you're not looking for that adulation.
It doesn't appear it doesn't need that from the public.
He's out there because again, if heals he has this calling,
so what what is the calling? It's it's even given
(40:58):
this talent, go use it, go inspire people simply by
the way you play.
Speaker 12 (41:05):
There is no other ulterior motive there, which is unusual
for Scottie.
Speaker 10 (41:10):
You know, he's not bryceon de Shambo, who's you know,
so like nakedly and obviously in pursuit of love from
the public, you know, and he wants to grow his
his YouTube empire. It's not Rory where you have this
kind of hope and heartbreak week in week out drama,
(41:33):
which is very appealing. It again, is just this kind
of spartan holy warrior sort of a vibe.
Speaker 12 (41:41):
And and he's.
Speaker 10 (41:42):
More I would say at this point he's more admired
than he is beloved.
Speaker 12 (41:46):
I think he I think he will get to.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
Beloved status, you know, just by winning, just by by
being great, being humble. Your humility is is kind of
not the way of this world anymore, is it. I mean,
it's we're really going to look at me period in time,
and that's not Scotty Scheffler. Again, He's just not going
(42:10):
to play that game. So you know, we just have
to sit back and enjoy this for what it is.
A guy who's all in for the right reasons on competing,
playing the game the right way. He is a very
good another way to say this, you know, like we
say so and so is a great competitor. Scotty's a
(42:31):
great competitor. He's a great game player. I call him
right shot Scottie. He has like a next level understanding
of where to put the ball, what is the right shot?
And Dan, I know you love basketball, he played it.
Speaker 12 (42:46):
I love hoops.
Speaker 10 (42:47):
There was a piece of video circulating on social while
back Scotty playing pickup basketball. He played high school ball
in Dallas. He was kind of not surprisingly he was
a glue guy, a defender.
Speaker 12 (43:01):
And a rebounder.
Speaker 10 (43:03):
But in this one clip, he makes a simple bounce
passing a little pocket pass to a cutter and the
guy has a wide open layup.
Speaker 12 (43:12):
He misses it.
Speaker 10 (43:13):
Who's there for the follow But Scottie Scheffler to me,
he was telling because he makes the right play, Like
he has this understanding what is the right play to make?
Now there's certain guys who just have that understanding. My
only concern going forward is is where are the challengers
who is.
Speaker 12 (43:30):
Going to you know, look look him in the eye
and say I want, I want a piece of this?
And I don't know.
Speaker 10 (43:39):
I know, PAULI feels like we're in a little bit
of a you know, a softer era. He's wondered, you know,
where's Lanny Watkins, who would look right through you. Where's
Nick Faldo who wouldn't speak to you for eighteen holes?
Where where's Raymond Floyd? Where are those those guys so
the big cure to see you know, who steps in
(44:02):
here and wants a piece of Scottie.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I wish Tiger was twenty five years younger. I'm sure
Tiger does too, because we wondered who but who was
Tiger's rivals, like who constantly stepped up? You know Phil
found the banana peel all the time. But who was
their kind? Look at all most of the memorable moments
with Tiger, he's going against guys who weren't big names.
(44:31):
You know, I would say, in fairness, you know there
was a journeyman, you know, would.
Speaker 10 (44:35):
I would look the guys who famously had some success
against Tiger would be guy just passed away? Any fewer
the Tiger was twenty years old at that point there
were mostly journeymen.
Speaker 12 (44:46):
Think about Bob.
Speaker 10 (44:46):
May at the the PGA Championship at Valhalla, who took
Tiger the you know, to a playoff. Think about Rockam
mediate Tiger on one good leg at Torrey Pines the
OA US Open.
Speaker 12 (44:58):
I will say, in fairness to the Phil.
Speaker 10 (45:00):
Well, you know, Phill won the PGA Championship of two
thousand and five, he won a Master's in two thousand
and six, he won a Masters in twenty ten. He
shot sixty four to Tiger seventy five up. I'll never
forget it twenty twelve at Pebble Beach in the final round. Phil, Yes,
he slipped on that banana peel, but Phil had There
(45:22):
was a point in time where Phil figured out how
to play against Tiger and how to beat him on occasion.
Speaker 12 (45:30):
VJ two BJ was a hard man.
Speaker 10 (45:32):
VJ won nine times and four at a point where
nobody thought anybody but Tiger could be number one, and
VJ became number one.
Speaker 12 (45:40):
But yeah, at this point, I think Rory's the best bet.
Rory's thirty six.
Speaker 10 (45:47):
But after that, I don't see I don't see anybody
at currently that looks like they're at Scotty's level.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Do you get to go out and play port Rush today?
Speaker 12 (45:58):
No, thankfully. I played with Paul last feed at Royal Dublin.
Speaker 10 (46:03):
I hit thirteen diving death hooks and you know in
the in the heather and the gorse and all the
junk over there, to traps through that looking for golf
balls with my size thirteen's is just an unpleasant experience dance.
So now I took the day off from port Rush
(46:24):
to be with you.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
What is the toughest golf course that that you know,
the weekend guy can play the toughest golf course you
think in America?
Speaker 12 (46:34):
Is I think?
Speaker 10 (46:35):
I mean from my money, Pine Valley you can get
out of you get out of out of play on
that golf course.
Speaker 12 (46:42):
You're in for a long day.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
If you can get on it, I would. Yeah. Pinehurst
number two was not fun. Oakmont was not fun.
Speaker 12 (46:56):
Oakmont's brutal. Did you play it, dam.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had played me.
Speaker 10 (47:04):
By the way, I'm curious, how was Tama in the
American century?
Speaker 2 (47:10):
It was beautiful, Like it's just it's sort of our
summer super Bowl where you have all of these guests
there and they're all there playing golf, relaxed atmosphere, scenery
is wonderful and we had a great time.
Speaker 12 (47:27):
You have a celebrity just we have a celebrity story?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Do we have a celebrity story? Guys? I mean I
go to bed at like eight thirty rich, so I
don't know. I kind of missed out on what's going
on late night there.
Speaker 7 (47:49):
Yes, Paul, I would just say seeing it in person
the first time for us, the intensity of some of
the celebrity golfers like Steph Curry, John Smoltz and others
that were on the range way early being very very
serious about the competition.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
No, he's looking for you know something, you know juicy here,
you know here like I.
Speaker 10 (48:10):
Give you some I've covered, you know obviously the at
and T Pebble Beach Broan back when it was you know,
the celebrity event used to go to the Bob Hope,
even been over to the UH the one on the
DP World Tour in Europe, there's one at Saint Andrews
Carnousti and Kingsbarnes. I followed Bill Murray one day at
(48:31):
Pebble Beach. You know Murray riffing for sixteen seventeen holes
and when he's in the mood and he's on is
like watching if you like comedy, He's like watching Tiger
play golf and shoots sixty.
Speaker 12 (48:47):
Four, you know.
Speaker 10 (48:48):
And when Murray's out there, he's Carl Spackler. You could imagine,
you know, Gendah, that kind of stuff. Even though the
ball is careening toward the Pacific Ocean, it's now where
you're the hole. But anyway, Murray on seventeen, you know
the par three seventeenth dan at Pebble, famous where Nicholas
hit the flagstick in seventy two and Watch and chipped
(49:10):
in nineteen eighty two to part three Oceans Behind, hits
this horrendous t shot right up against the grand stands,
probably thirty yards.
Speaker 12 (49:18):
Right of the hole.
Speaker 10 (49:19):
Couldn't be any worse, and he trapes his over the
grandstands packed and he walks over to his ball, and
somebody from the top of the grandstands stands up and
looks down and yells at Murray, Hey, Bill, Kevin Costner
made Birdie here. And Murray, without hesitating, looked up and said,
Kevin Costner made water World.
Speaker 12 (49:42):
I thought that was exceptional timing.
Speaker 10 (49:46):
And then on top of it, he stoned his pitch
shot to about three feet and made the putt for
par So.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
That great coverage. Great coverage again, I enjoyed it as
I always do live from the coverage at the Open Championship.
Rich Safe travels home. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 12 (50:08):
Thanks Dan, appreciate it.
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