July 22, 2025 • 39 mins
DP reacts to Jerry Jones' comments about extending his players. Will Micah Parsons want to sign an extension given Jerry's comments? Newly resigned NFLPA chief strategy officer, JC Tretter discusses his reasoning for stepping down and breaks down the several different controversies currently marring the organization. And former NFL GM Mike Tannenbaum breaks down Jerry Jones' comments and highlights the cost-saving power of getting ahead early on contract extensions.
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reporting today, and you've got a situation with the Cowboys
and the Cincinnati Bengals, and both of the owners of
those teams had something to say about the players who
were on the outside looking in. Trey Hendrickson his contract situation.
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Mike Brown talked about that, and Jerry Jones of course
talked about Michaeh Parsons signing him to a contract extension.
I'll go back to what I talked to Albert Breer
about yesterday. He, of course the Monday Morning quarterback. If
you're going to eventually pay these players, why have any acrimony?
Why not just we know that Jerry Jones is going
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to pay Michael Parsons, right. I have a hunch the
Bengals will pay Trey Hendrickson now. I'm sure they're saving money.
I'm sure that they have some business strategy here that I,
of course, with my limited education, wouldn't understand. But there's
also Jerry Jones, who loves being Jerry Jones. He loves
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to be If he had already settled this Michael Parsons contract,
then maybe we would be just talking about the Cowboys
as a team and how good they're going to be.
But it's rarely that now, that'll happen later in the season.
But with Michaeh Parsons, Jerry Jones said this about signing
him to a contract extension.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest
paid at the position in the league and he got
knocked out two thirds of the year, Dak Prescott. So
there's a lot of things you can think about and
just as the player does, when you're thinking about committing
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and guaranteeing money.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay, you might think this, but you don't have to
say the quiet part out loud. Why because then all
of a sudden, now you're Michaeh Parsons. How do you
feel about this? You know, we go back to Dak
Prescott and I said, don't resign him. And plus, you
gave him all that money. If you're going to give
somebody money, give it to Michaeh Parsons. But he made
(02:56):
Dak the highest paid quarterback coming off ankles. What's the
logic in that? And a guy who's now thirty two
can't stay healthy and you gave him all that money
that I don't understand your business philosophy. As for Michael Parsons, yes,
did he miss games. Yes, when he plays, he's great.
(03:17):
You got the Bengals situation with Trey Hendrickson. All he's
done is outperform every other edge rusher the last two years.
When it comes to sacks and the NFL doesn't pay
you on what you did, they pay you on what
they think you'll do. Here's the Bengals owner, Mike Brown
on Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get
Trey signed as we speak here. There are guys over
in the office working to get that. We like Trey
as a person, he's a good guy. But when it
comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few
of them with him, he pushes hard, he gets emotional.
(04:04):
We never have an easy time of it. But there's
one thing that is consistent. It always gets done. And
I think this one will.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay, it does get done. But why drag this out?
Why have this back and forth? It just doesn't help
the tone of the team. The Bengals should be thinking about, Hey,
how do we make the playoffs this year? Hey we
need a little defense if we're going to make the playoffs. Hey,
we spend all this money on offense, can we stop anybody?
(04:35):
There's gonna be a lot of shootouts there with the Bengals,
why not just have Trey Hendrickson and whatever. You're going
to give him a three year deal. Now, I know
he's four years I think four years older than Michael Parsons.
Well he's not Michael Parsons, but he is really good
at what he is paid to do. It's just the
Bengals are notoriously cheap with this, and that's unfortunate because
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you spend all this money on your wide receivers and
your quarterback. Your quarterback said I need those guys. Now,
I don't know if Joe Burrell said, hey, by the way,
I also need somebody who can stop somebody so I'm
not on the field and I have to score touchdowns
every single time I'm out there. But maybe that would
have helped. But now you look at these situations, now,
will they get done? Yes? I just these are different
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approaches because Mike Brown doesn't say much, Jerry Jones says
too much. And I don't know why you bring up
something with Dak Prescott. I don't know why you bring
up something with Michaeh Parsons. Now, I know he loves
to be in the headlines and the Cowboys are constantly
in the headlines. Nobody has produced less but gained more
attention in the history of sports than the Dallas Cowboys,
(05:46):
And here we are again, Yeah pulling.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I was actually more bothered by the Bengals owner Mike
Brown calling Trey Hendricken emotional about his contract situation. This
guy's thirty years old. This is his last chance to
get paid. He gets rough, He's never gotten the monster contract.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
This is it.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
This is his livelihood for him and his family the
rest of his life. You could see why be emotional
about it.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, But just because you're emotional about it, I have
to look, it's still a business. He's thirty four, it's
a business. What do I want to pay him? Am
I going to pay him t J. Watt, Michael Parsons,
Miles Garrett money? No, I'm not. And you would think
you would earn it based off what you've done, but
that's not the way it works. Certainly what the Bengals
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approach is on this with Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Yeah, wouldn't Mike Brown be dealing with Trey Hendrickson's agent?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, So what is the like?
Speaker 6 (06:43):
I mean, maybe I'm just being naive, but the whole like, well,
you know, he gets really emotional and all this he
pushes hard when he gets emotional.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Is that his.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Agent telling Mike Brown that, why you know, my client
is really emotional about this or is he just projecting
it through the agent? Is that the whole point of
dealing with an agent is so that you can do
exactly what you just said. You remove emotion from it
and now this is just business. It's just us too.
It's not the player who's going to be emotional about it.
It's just me, the agent and the owner. That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I think Trey has had some comments, you know, the
last couple of months, so I think that's the emotional
part of it. But I'm surprised that you do bring
up emotion. Yes, this is your contract. Mike Brown's going
to have fifteen contracts to deal with. This is the
only one Trey Hendrickson has. And of course you would
be emotional. You've given everything to the team, You've played hard,
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you've outperformed your contract. But you know that if you
look at the why the NFL is so successful, it
is a league that favors owners and fans, so we
get we get to consume. It's great for us, and
it's great for the owners, not necessarily great for the players.
And now you have this turmoil with the NFL Players Association.
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Where is there collusion? Was there? You know, the players
Association in cahoots with owners to try to stop these
guaranteed contracts after Deshaun Watson. I mean, there's a whole
lot going on here. And I think TJ. Watt got
his deal done. He got it in his salary that
we said, this is probably where he's landing around forty
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or forty one million dollars. I just don't understand why
it has to be dragged out unless they say, well,
we can save X number of dollars by doing it
later on, Well, then just tell the player, Hey, we're
going to get this done. Let's just keep it quiet.
No need to go back and forth. But that's the
problem with this. It just feels like it's unwanted attention.
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Now Jerry loves it. He doesn't care. And I didn't
realize this. And I remember that you had a couple
of analysts who came on the show and they said,
he loves this. He loves the attention more than anything else.
It's not about winning, it's about the attention that he
gets in the process, And I said, well, if he wins,
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he'll get a whole lot of attention. But you get
addicted to that. Hey, are they talking about our team? Yeah,
they are. It doesn't matter. You know, that's one of
those Any publicity is good publicity. Jerry Jones subscribes to that,
and that's unfortunate. Yes, John, if they're ultimately.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Going to pay Parsons, so is this a game of chicken?
What is going to change with his ability or what
the numbers are going to be? Jones is going to
all of a sudden pay him sooner. The agent's gonna
take less from the Cowboys because they're concerned he's not
going to get the money that he wants.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He even said, well, you could get hit by a car,
like what is Yes, yes, that is true. He could
get hit by a car, he get hit by lightning.
There could be a lot of bad things that happen.
But if you're saying, well, we don't know, I mean, Jerry,
you've made bad decisions contract wise before. I don't think
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this is a bad contract decision. He's going to cost you.
You need him right now. You're an ap average team.
You overpaid it. Quarterback you have drafted pretty well. Somebody
in the front office must be doing a great job
because they have had some surprise picks. And Jerry you know,
(10:14):
famously had some bad picks, whether it's a head coach
or keeping himself as the GM. Some of the signings
that he has, this one seems logical of all the signings. Now,
I love Cdee Lamb. I thought, okay pay him, and
Michael Parsons is a great disruptor. Dak Prescott is not
a great quarterback. He's not a top ten quarterback, but
(10:37):
you paid him that way coming off ankle surgery. Yes, yeah, Paulin, Yeah,
that's exactly right. Michaeh.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Parsons is exactly the case of giving the contract as
fast as you can. Michael Parsons in four years, three
time All Pro, four time Pro bowler, He's twenty five
years old. He's technically entering his prime. This seems like
the smartest money. It's like the Joe Burrow contract. If
through the Bengal you're happy to give Joe Burrow the
most money in quarterback history at the time because all
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he did was play well for you, and now he's
entering that second contract. He lived up to the draft
pick exactly what you want as an owner. It's like,
the only smart money is that second contract of a
sure thing player.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I want to make sure I got this correct. Trey
Hendrickson is he's thirty thirty, ok Sarson's is twenty six, Okay,
so four years older. Okay. I don't know if I
said thirty four, but I think this sack total was
thirty five maybe over the last two years. But I'm
going to go back to the beginning of last season,
and Seaton brought this up and we're just having a
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casual conversation. He goes, you know the Cowboys there, it's
a weird situation they're in. You want dak to play well,
Cede Lamb to play well, Micah Parsons to play well,
but as a result, you must pay them, so they're
going to live up to where you drafted them or
how they performed. But then that can be a negative
because you do have to pay these guys one thirty
(12:01):
million dollars, one forty and one sixty million dollars. Well,
that's three players where you got one hundred and thirty
million dollars each season with these guys, and you don't
have the performance that goes along with it because of
the other players on the team. So it was kind
of a good situation, but it was gonna go bad
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because if they played well, you have to pay them
commensurate to that, and that's exactly what happened. These guys
are going to be Michael will be the highest paid
non quarterback in the NFL. You got Dak who's the
highest paid quarterback, and Ceedee Lamb, who's what top five
wide receiver with what he's getting paid. Those are good
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things that they play well. It's just I never would
assign Dak Prescott to that contract extension. Yes, Paul, but
you could.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Go back to a mistake off a player who played well,
Ezekiel Ellett. Elliott drafted in twenty sixteen, sixteen hundred yards,
one thousand yards, fifteen hundred yards, fourteen hundred yards, carried
the ball more than anyone in the sport for four
straight years, and they gave him the monstrous second contract
where he started going downhill. But they got caught up
in we drafted a running back high, he paid off,
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we must pay him when they'd been should have done
the discipline thing and not paid him.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, I said, you got everything you wanted out of him,
move on from him, and then Jerry signs the contract
extension even brings back Zeke Elliott again for another curtain call.
You know, if you're loyal, great, But if you're loyal,
don't say things publicly about Michael Parsons or Dak Prescott
or anybody else on the team. It just sometimes he
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acts like he's a caller to a radio station, and
that's unfortunate.
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Speaker 2 (14:56):
JC Tredder former Center with the Browns and The Packer
former NFL Players Association President and Chief Strategy officer at
least those were former titles because he has decided to
step down. Why are you stepping down? Jac?
Speaker 8 (15:14):
Yeah, I feel like I had nothing left to give
the organization. I felt like as a player, I sacrificed
the back end of my career, and I sacrificed time
with my family and I did those for the players,
and I would do them again. I love working for
the players. In the last five weeks, I feel like
I've had to sacrifice in my public reputation. There's been
some stories out there about me that aren't true, and
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I've been asked to sit on that and not talk
about it. And that was for the organization. That wasn't
for the players, And in the end, I feel like
I couldn't do that anymore. I've always said the only
thing I've ever wanted to care about was being a
great dad and a great husband. And once this job
wasn't fun anymore or hurt my family, I was out.
And it happened both of those at the same time,
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and it was time for me to leave.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So Lloyd Hall Junior, the Players Association executive, has decided
to step down as well. Be specific on what you're
talking about that is not true that's being said about you.
Speaker 8 (16:10):
Yeah, I mean there's been a lot of narratives fun
the idea that I buried, the collusion grievance. I've never
seen the collusion grievance. The collision I don't have access
to the collusion grievance. I wasn't in any discussions about the
collusion grievance just not part of my job. The idea
that I've been angling for the executive director job since
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I was a president also not true. I was asked
to run for executive director during the last search. I
declined because it would take me away from my family
for too much and I wanted to be with my kids.
I've got two young kids. I love watching them grow up.
There's been a story about US firing an arbitrator that
said it was because of me. I don't fire arbitrators.
That's legals department. I don't do that stuff. So a
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lot of things had been rolled down to this must
be Jc's fault, and that's not where I sit in
the organization. And that's not the type of person I am,
and I didn't want people thinking that was the type
of person I am.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
ESPN reported last week that Hall struck a confidentiality agreement
with the NFL six months ago, hid that from the players,
and that was a January arbitration decision finding that the
league executive urged team owners to reduce guaranteed player compensation.
When did you find out about that collusion?
Speaker 8 (17:26):
I know we lost the collusion a grievance in January
that I knew that. I didn't know of any agreements
or what was happening with that because it's not part
of my department. Once it leaked a few weeks ago,
I started learning more. I was on the board call
in the EC call when it was explained what had
happened over the last six months to the players. So
I know more now, but at that point I knew nothing.
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It wasn't involved in the discussions.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
There's a quote where you're saying something about Russell Wilson
not getting a guaranteed contract with the Denver Broncos. Would
you elaborate on that. Is that an accurate quote?
Speaker 8 (18:02):
Yeah, So that's the thing about being deposed. They get
your phone, they read all your text messages. Is not comfortable,
but those are all facts. So what had happened was
when I retired, I actually did an interview and I
talked about it. They asked about guaranteed contracts, and I said,
the next best person to get a guaranteed contract is
Russell Wilson. I thought he was traded for assets, similar
to Shaan Watson. He's a former Super Bowl winner. The
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team can't just let him leave. They have a lot
of pressure on him. They also have a cash rich owner.
There was a lot of things in his favor to
get a guaranteed contract. When he did not get a
guaranteed contract, I texted d and I called him a loser,
and I called him a wuss, And I was upset
in that moment because I felt like we were missing
an opportunity to get guaranteed contracts. We had Kirk Cousins
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get one years ago and no one came behind him.
And then I was worried, we're gonna have the same
thing and we're going to miss an opportunity for players
to get guaranteed contracts. That was before the collusion grievance
was launched. That was before the idea of collusion had
come up. Months later was when we launched the collusion
griefents and that's why my deposition they asked me about it,
and I said, if I knew the league was colluding
against Russell, I would apologize because I would know there
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was factors outside his control that were illegal and not
allowed to happen. But I didn't know that at the
time I sent the text message.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Do you think that owners have been colluding on no
more guaranteed contracts.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
I can only know what was in that report, which
is the arbitrator found that the league encouraged teams to collude,
but the arbitrator did not feel like the NFLPA proved
that the teams acted on that recommendation and that there
is no damages that we could prove either. At this point, now,
this is still pending. So even though it was quote hidden,
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it was in a stand still agreement and the right
to appeal was still there. So the NFLPA is appealing.
So this is still open and could potentially change. So
this is still a pending investigation or a pending matter,
and I hope it comes out or I hope it's
proven that we are able to prove those other two
pieces that are needed to win the entire collusion groups.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
But isn't there a public record of the owner of
the Chargers and the owner of the Cardinals talking about
guaranteed contracts for their respective quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Yeah, everything in that collusion. We can talk about what
it looks like and then what the findings were or
what the arbitrator ruled. And I think one of those
is what's the public messaging versus what's the actual findings,
and the actual findings as of it now is that
they wasn't found that they were colluding. That is still
under appeal, and I think the hope is that that
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changes when it goes to a three judge panel. J. C.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Trader, former NFLPA President, chief strategy officer, of course, former
NFL player. Some of these other things with Lloyd Howell Junior,
ESPN reported that he was sued for sexual discrimination and
retaliation in twenty eleven when he was an executive at
another job strip club going to strip clubs. I don't
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know who went to the strip clubs. Why is the
NFLPA doing business at strip clubs? And were you aware
of the sexual discrimination or the retaliation with the former
head of the NFLPA.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
We were aware of those during the search. We brought
up those that came out in the background check. We
asked him questions during the interviews, both with the Executive
Committee and at the final board meeting, we asked him
directly about those. He explained his side of the story,
and the board was comfortable with his answer, and that's
how it proceeded. When it comes to the strip club
I was not there I've never been to a strip club.
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I don't drink, I don't do anything in that realm
that should not have happened. I wouldn't have done it.
It should not have happened. I'm not going to talk
about who else was there. That's not my business. I
was not and that's a bad luck.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
But is it a business meeting at two different strip
clubs I'm trying to understand. And the fact that he
charges it to the NFL Players Association? Correct, Correct, that
was the story.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
I do not condone it at all. I do not
think it is right. It should never have happened. It
should never happen going forward.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
How do you think players should feel about the NFL
Players Association?
Speaker 11 (22:18):
Now?
Speaker 8 (22:20):
This is not where we wanted to be. When we
launched the search years ago, we were looking for an
executive director that was going to be here for two
plus terms. That's like ten years that did not happen.
So this is not part of the plan. I think
what's the most important thing for the players right now
is to understand that this is their union. The players
need to come together. They need to find an in
orim to lead in the time being, and then they
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need to find a search to find somebody that is
going to lead them going forward. And this is not
the timeline we wanted. We wanted a longer runaway going
into the next CBA, but these are now where the
chips have fallen, and I think the players need to
take a very hard look at the organization about what
to do moving forward and find the person that's going
to come in and make this organization what they want
it to be, because in the end, the players are
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the most important part of this. That's who leads this,
that's who this is all about, and the players need
to dive in and take care of it.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
What's the feedback been from current players over the last
couple of months.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
I mean, this is also a weird time in the
schedule where a lot of guys are away, so I
don't think a lot of people are paying attention to
the news. I've heard from a lot of guys in
the last couple of days as they get back into
the locker rooms and start talking. I've heard a lot
of disappointment for me leaving, which I appreciate. Again, I've
told them I've loved working for the players. Since I
became president, it has been an honor and that no
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matter what happens, I will always be there for them
because that has been always my motivation is just doing
what's best for the guys. And that was one of
the toughest parts about leaving, was I feel like I
lose opportunities to do work for the guys, and that's that.
It was a very emotional weekend for me, and I
finally woke up with some clarity of this is the
best decision for me and my family. But I'm always
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gonna be sad about in the organization because those guys
do a ton of work and I understand what they
go through and what they put on the line and
what they deserve, and I really want them to get
what they deserve.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Speaking to a couple of people involved in this, and
they said they're just a lack of transparency. That it
felt like that even when you hired how that it
was kind of cloaked in, you know, it was a clandestine,
shrouded in secrecy type of thing. How much of a
I mean guilty of lack of transparency would you say
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that's a fair assessment of the NFL Players Association.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
I mean, if we go back the search process, yeah,
You can say there was a lack of transparency to
the outside, right, but that's not exactly who we represent,
like only we owe the outside transparency. I think we
discussed it as player leadership what the search process should
look like. We had two previous search processes that weren't good,
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so it's not like what we used to have was
a great option that bared great results wasn't true. So
we did something different that the players voted on Unanissley,
and we executed exactly what we as players decided, and
that decision was We wanted the players to make their
decision without outside interference telling what they should make and
we did that and in the end you are judged
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by your results, and the results were not what we wanted. Again,
we wanted somebody here for the next ten years. That
did not happen. So I think when they launched their
next search, they should have a discussion learning from the
mistakes of the two previous searches, but also the last
one of what they want to change and what they
want to do different. No search is perfect. I think
there are changes needed, and I think they will figure
out what exactly they're looking for and grow from those.
(25:42):
But Yeah, I think the transparency is an issue that
we talk about of what needs to be known. Again,
I have frustrations now because you have two sides of
the coin. One of well, let the public dive in
and get to know these candidates and share what they've
found out about them. But I look at my situation
where there's been a ton of stories out there there
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just apparently not true, and that's not fair to people.
It's not fair for somebody with an axe to grind
to put out information that isn't true and bury someone's
reputation and impact their standing amongst the union. So there
are different ways to look at what people should be
able to share information on, and I think the guys
will end up making the right decision on how they
want to run it going forward.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
But I'm also looking at this report ESPN had in May,
the FBI investigating the financial dealings of the NFLPA and
the Baseball Players Association. This is a multi billion dollar
group licensing firm, one team partners, Like, there's a lot
of stuff going on here, your chief strategy officer, and
it feels like nobody knows or knew what was going
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on here.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
Yeah, I'm not going to comment on the investigation while
I'm not at the organization anymore in that capacity, so
I'm not going to speak about it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I will say, well, that's ongoing, is that right?
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Correct? And we have outside council looking into it, with
a group of players looking into it. And that's the
important part, right We have active players who are on
a committee to dive into these issues and evaluate all
the issues, because in the end, it's the players union
and the players have to know what's going on, and
the players deserve to know what's going on. You're right,
and that is a problem, and the players need to
get to the bottom of it, and they will. I'm
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confident they will.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
When are we going to eighteen games?
Speaker 8 (27:24):
I don't know. That's a CBA issue, so whenever that's
going to.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Have had discussions for a while about this. So are
they concessions that you're asking for the.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
Pars No, not at this point. Again, I think Rogers
made it clear anytime the microphone gets in his face,
he brings up eighteen games, So I think he's been
clear about what they want. But in the end, they
can't unilaterally impose that that needs to be something that's
given in a CBA negotiations, and those haven't started, and
those probably aren't going to start for a while at
this point with everything going on. And in the end,
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that is a major if that is something players are
ever willing to give, that is a major give that
damages players, hurts them bad. I know Roger went on
a long list of things recently around sharing costs and
lowering cash payments in more international games. Those are all
things that are really bad for players, and I think
players shouldn't rush into a conversation when the other side
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is listing off a long list of demands that are
really bad for them. We have a CBA until twenty
thirty one, There is no need to rush into those negotiations.
If they want to have an early discussion with the players,
then they should have a list of things of why
it's good for the players. And I haven't heard a
reason why having an early negotiation is good for the
players at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Should the players trust the commissioner?
Speaker 8 (28:39):
This isn't a shot at his character. He works on
the other side. There's labor in management. He has bosses
that are not the players, he has interests that are
not the players' interests. So you probably should not trust
the person who negotiates on the other side of the
table because he has other interests. Besides that, I think
the players need to find a leader and executive director
that they do trust, and they in that room to
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negotiate everyhalf for their best interest. That is how unions work.
You need a leader of that union to represent the
player's interest and you trust that person. You don't trust
the person on the other side of the table.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I ran into Jim McMahon and Tahoe and he's in
bad shape. I think there was thought that he might
lose part of his leg and I said, well, but
don't you have health benefits And he said no, So
why doesn't Jim McMahon like help me understand this. I mean,
(29:32):
do you get it for like five years and then
that's it, You're done.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
So there's a couple different ways. I think one, we've
talked about lifetime healthcare forever. That's been a conversation for
twenty five years, probably longer at the union. The issue
is that is not an option because no one is
offering lifetime healthcare. To get lifetime healthcare, you need an
institution to give you lifetime healthcare, and there is nobody
willing to offer it. No one's willing to take on
(29:57):
that risk, no matter what the payment is. That's the reality.
So the next step goes, how do you get insurance
to players. What we have right now is if you vest,
you get five years post career health insurance. You also
build up an HRA account. If you map those out,
you can build up some insurance for a while. What
we need to do is find other ways to supplement
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the insurance coverage until we have an institution that is
willing to give us lifetime healthcare and we have the
money to pay for it, because again that is part
of the revenue split. Everything comes out of the revenue split.
So if we wanted lifetime healthcare and we could afford it,
it would come out of whether the salary cap or
other benefits. But right now that is not an option.
So I think one of the important things of the
Union is going through and figuring out how to give coverage.
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We have disability benefits, we have health we have HA accounts,
we have post career healthcare. We have a bunch of
different things that if you stack up the right way,
you can have coverage for a long time. But it's
not as clean. It's just like a single plan that
lasts forever.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Jc, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
Good luck, absolutely thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
JC Treider, former NFLPA president, chief strategy officer, and of course,
played in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
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Speaker 2 (31:17):
Mike Tannenbaum of The Mothership, former general manager in the NFL,
kind enough to join us, Mike, I want to get
your reaction to these two different clips from two different owners.
Let me start with Jerry Jones and what he is
saying about Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest
paid at the position in the league and he got
knocked out two thirds of the year, Dark Prescott. So
there's a lot of things you can think about, just
as the player does when you're thinking about committing and
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guaranteed money.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
What's the purpose of those comments?
Speaker 11 (32:00):
Stunning and totally unnecessary. It's the cost of doing business,
and nobody knows that better than Jerry Jones, who was
one of the architects of the Collective Baring agreement. Look,
there's parts of the agreement that are both that are
good for both sides, Dan, and everyone knows the risks,
but you're fortunate to have a great player in Michaeh Parsons,
and he's going to be the highest pay non quarterback
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in the history of the NFL. Every day you don't
get that deal done, the more expensive it gets. And
I was stunned by what he said.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
All right, then you have the Bengals owner Mike Brown
who said this about his great edge rusher, Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get
Trey signed as we speak here. There are guys over
in the office working to get that. We like Trey
as a person, he's a good guy. But when it
comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few
of them with him, he pushes hard. If he gets emotional.
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We never have an easy time of it. But there's
one thing that is consistent. It always gets done. And
I think this one will Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
You have an owner who inherited a team and he
is critical of a player who gets emotional trying to
negotiate a contract. Here, help me understand what Mike Brown
is saying.
Speaker 11 (33:26):
Yeah, likewise, that was a surprise.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Dan.
Speaker 11 (33:29):
Look, if they had locked Trey Henderson in a room
after the last game and said, hey, we're going to
make you the highest paid pass rusher would have been
thirty four million dollars. Thirty four point one million hired
that Nick Bosa. And when did we see the offseason,
Danel Hunter, Max Crosby, Miles Gary and lately TJ Watt.
And if we're wandering the Bengals, Dan, TJ Watt and
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Trey Hendrickson are two months apart in terms of age.
Trey Hendrickson has outproduced TJ Watt over the last two years.
And we know based on everything Pittsburgh has done, from
Aaron Rodgers to DK Metcalf, John hus Smith, Jalen Ramsey, Dan,
They're gonna get DJ Watt done? So why are we waiting?
(34:13):
So I was surprised by Mike Brown's comments, And I
just they had a great off season getting T Higgins
signe to Marty Side. Why not be aggressive and proactive
to get Trey hendricks inside.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, it feels like the Eagles gave us the blueprint,
gave us the blueprint for building a team that Howie
Roseman's done a wonderful job and Jeffrey Lourie and getting
these contracts done and they don't drag out, I don't
think do they in Philadelphia.
Speaker 11 (34:41):
You're making a great point. No, And look, if we're
in an arms race, we're the Cowboys and we're trying
to catch the Eagles, and we're paying premium prices and
they're getting discount prices. That's why you lose guys like
Jordan Lewis to Jacksonville, the Marcus Lawrence to Seattle. You know,
Adam Schefter mentioned this morning, Dan like, maybe that's they
didn't have the money signed Derrick Henry. So if you
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and they've done a nice job of drafting, if you
know you have Cbee Lamb or Dad Prescott or in
this case Parsons, sign them early, you would save tens
of millions of dollars and that translates into keeping more
good players. To your point, which is what the Eagles
have done.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
How tough is it to be a general manager and
have an owner who speaks.
Speaker 9 (35:29):
Well.
Speaker 11 (35:29):
Look, I always define the job of being a GM
is the point guard of information. I got to sit
between the head coach and owner and it could be
Dyl Reeves or whomever, and say, hey, look here's where
we are, Here's what's reasonable, here's what they want. You know,
is there a spot that we could all live live
(35:49):
with fight another day? Maybe not ideal. And look, owners
are going to speak, they're certainly, you know, they're entitled
to it.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Dan.
Speaker 11 (35:59):
My whole thing will is if we're speaking, let's just
be aligned on the sound bites and let's never say
anything negative or anything that could be inflammatory to the
other side, especially in the big media markets. I want,
you know, worked in and Jerry Jones is too smart
and too strategic, Like, why would you want to inflame
Micah Parsons or even take a shot at Dak Prescott.
(36:22):
Wasn't like Dak Prescott try to get hurt. You know,
the guy cares deeply. He got hurt. So I was
really surprised for what, you know, what he said.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
But is this how owners really think? We're just hearing
the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 11 (36:38):
That's a fair question. Look, I don't think it's one
size fits all. To be candid, do some owners take
that way yeah, obviously they do. But you know there's
others that all they want to do is, you know,
want to win. They understand the risks involved. Look, the
Content Bary Agreement DAN is a very long and complicated agreement.
All these valuations of the franchises keep going up, so
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the asset appreciation is a very big win for the owners,
which it should be. They've taken the risk of ownership
and they should enjoy the upside. Players get their bites
of the apple when they earn it three years and
you know, from their rookie year to get back to
the table. So to me, if I'm Jerry Jones, I'm
very well aware of how much my franchise has got up.
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I should fight the players that are busting their tail
for me. And when a guy gets hurt, it is
what it is. Nobody wants it to happen, but that's
just part of the game.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
He's Mike Tannenbaum, the former general manager in the NFL,
works for the Mothership. How often were you told to
sign somebody that you personally didn't want to sign?
Speaker 11 (37:44):
Well, I would say what would be more frequent was
like how much to sign the player for? And again,
you know, we had to sign up in our office
stand in God we trust. For everyone else, we need
data and basically that Simbili. Hey, well, we have disagreements
on who to pay, how much to pay. It's not
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gonna be who screams louder, It's gonna be let's get
more information, Let's watch more film, let's do more research,
whatever it may be. And I just felt like if
we kept drilling down into the information that should lead
us to the best decision. It's hard Dan, because valid
do you have ninety players, but it's how much to
pay them, how much of the pie to give a player,
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and you're gonna have disagreements on you know, a player's worth.
And I just felt like the more information we could get,
the less emotional it is, and the more reasonable we
can be getting to a landing spot that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
What is the downside of paying Michael Parsons a dollar
more than TJ.
Speaker 11 (38:46):
Watt if you're gonna lose other good players, Like when
your cap is two hundred and eighty million, and sixty
is going to dak In forty one or two is
going to you know, Parsons and CD Lambs getting hit
is like you're outwards of you know, one hundred and
thirty thirty five million dollars for three players, and you
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know you're gonna have injuries. So that's why to your point,
which I agree with. On a team like the Eagles,
and you have Devontine Smith or a J. Brown that's
get paid the mid twenties and Cde Lambs in the thirties,
that cumulatively adds up and we're seeing more and more
of the top end of these players get more money.
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Like if Patrick Mahomes walks into Barron Systey, Andy Reid
either paid me seventy million a year or are gonna retire,
They're gonna pay the seventy million a year that's gonna
cost them. You know, a good guard in Joe Toney
for example. And that's the context of the decisions you
have to make, which is when we pay a star player,
which is a great problem to have, somebody else is
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gonna have to leave the roster.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Always great to talk to you, Mike, Safe Travels. Thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 11 (39:56):
Appreciate you having me.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
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reporting today, and you've got a situation with the Cowboys
and the Cincinnati Bengals, and both of the owners of
those teams had something to say about the players who
were on the outside looking in. Trey Hendrickson his contract situation.
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Mike Brown talked about that, and Jerry Jones of course
talked about Michaeh Parsons signing him to a contract extension.
I'll go back to what I talked to Albert Breer
about yesterday. He, of course the Monday Morning quarterback. If
you're going to eventually pay these players, why have any acrimony?
Why not just we know that Jerry Jones is going
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to pay Michael Parsons, right. I have a hunch the
Bengals will pay Trey Hendrickson now. I'm sure they're saving money.
I'm sure that they have some business strategy here that I,
of course, with my limited education, wouldn't understand. But there's
also Jerry Jones, who loves being Jerry Jones. He loves
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to be If he had already settled this Michael Parsons contract,
then maybe we would be just talking about the Cowboys
as a team and how good they're going to be.
But it's rarely that now, that'll happen later in the season.
But with Michaeh Parsons, Jerry Jones said this about signing
him to a contract extension.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest
paid at the position in the league and he got
knocked out two thirds of the year, Dak Prescott. So
there's a lot of things you can think about and
just as the player does, when you're thinking about committing
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and guaranteeing money.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay, you might think this, but you don't have to
say the quiet part out loud. Why because then all
of a sudden, now you're Michaeh Parsons. How do you
feel about this? You know, we go back to Dak
Prescott and I said, don't resign him. And plus, you
gave him all that money. If you're going to give
somebody money, give it to Michaeh Parsons. But he made
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Dak the highest paid quarterback coming off ankles. What's the
logic in that? And a guy who's now thirty two
can't stay healthy and you gave him all that money
that I don't understand your business philosophy. As for Michael Parsons, yes,
did he miss games. Yes, when he plays, he's great.
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You got the Bengals situation with Trey Hendrickson. All he's
done is outperform every other edge rusher the last two years.
When it comes to sacks and the NFL doesn't pay
you on what you did, they pay you on what
they think you'll do. Here's the Bengals owner, Mike Brown
on Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get
Trey signed as we speak here. There are guys over
in the office working to get that. We like Trey
as a person, he's a good guy. But when it
comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few
of them with him, he pushes hard, he gets emotional.
(04:04):
We never have an easy time of it. But there's
one thing that is consistent. It always gets done. And
I think this one will.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay, it does get done. But why drag this out?
Why have this back and forth? It just doesn't help
the tone of the team. The Bengals should be thinking about, Hey,
how do we make the playoffs this year? Hey we
need a little defense if we're going to make the playoffs. Hey,
we spend all this money on offense, can we stop anybody?
(04:35):
There's gonna be a lot of shootouts there with the Bengals,
why not just have Trey Hendrickson and whatever. You're going
to give him a three year deal. Now, I know
he's four years I think four years older than Michael Parsons.
Well he's not Michael Parsons, but he is really good
at what he is paid to do. It's just the
Bengals are notoriously cheap with this, and that's unfortunate because
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you spend all this money on your wide receivers and
your quarterback. Your quarterback said I need those guys. Now,
I don't know if Joe Burrell said, hey, by the way,
I also need somebody who can stop somebody so I'm
not on the field and I have to score touchdowns
every single time I'm out there. But maybe that would
have helped. But now you look at these situations, now,
will they get done? Yes? I just these are different
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approaches because Mike Brown doesn't say much, Jerry Jones says
too much. And I don't know why you bring up
something with Dak Prescott. I don't know why you bring
up something with Michaeh Parsons. Now, I know he loves
to be in the headlines and the Cowboys are constantly
in the headlines. Nobody has produced less but gained more
attention in the history of sports than the Dallas Cowboys,
(05:46):
And here we are again, Yeah pulling.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I was actually more bothered by the Bengals owner Mike
Brown calling Trey Hendricken emotional about his contract situation. This
guy's thirty years old. This is his last chance to
get paid. He gets rough, He's never gotten the monster contract.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
This is it.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
This is his livelihood for him and his family the
rest of his life. You could see why be emotional
about it.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, But just because you're emotional about it, I have
to look, it's still a business. He's thirty four, it's
a business. What do I want to pay him? Am
I going to pay him t J. Watt, Michael Parsons,
Miles Garrett money? No, I'm not. And you would think
you would earn it based off what you've done, but
that's not the way it works. Certainly what the Bengals
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approach is on this with Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Yeah, wouldn't Mike Brown be dealing with Trey Hendrickson's agent?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, So what is the like?
Speaker 6 (06:43):
I mean, maybe I'm just being naive, but the whole like, well,
you know, he gets really emotional and all this he
pushes hard when he gets emotional.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Is that his.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Agent telling Mike Brown that, why you know, my client
is really emotional about this or is he just projecting
it through the agent? Is that the whole point of
dealing with an agent is so that you can do
exactly what you just said. You remove emotion from it
and now this is just business. It's just us too.
It's not the player who's going to be emotional about it.
It's just me, the agent and the owner. That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I think Trey has had some comments, you know, the
last couple of months, so I think that's the emotional
part of it. But I'm surprised that you do bring
up emotion. Yes, this is your contract. Mike Brown's going
to have fifteen contracts to deal with. This is the
only one Trey Hendrickson has. And of course you would
be emotional. You've given everything to the team, You've played hard,
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you've outperformed your contract. But you know that if you
look at the why the NFL is so successful, it
is a league that favors owners and fans, so we
get we get to consume. It's great for us, and
it's great for the owners, not necessarily great for the players.
And now you have this turmoil with the NFL Players Association.
(07:56):
Where is there collusion? Was there? You know, the players
Association in cahoots with owners to try to stop these
guaranteed contracts after Deshaun Watson. I mean, there's a whole
lot going on here. And I think TJ. Watt got
his deal done. He got it in his salary that
we said, this is probably where he's landing around forty
(08:18):
or forty one million dollars. I just don't understand why
it has to be dragged out unless they say, well,
we can save X number of dollars by doing it
later on, Well, then just tell the player, Hey, we're
going to get this done. Let's just keep it quiet.
No need to go back and forth. But that's the
problem with this. It just feels like it's unwanted attention.
(08:42):
Now Jerry loves it. He doesn't care. And I didn't
realize this. And I remember that you had a couple
of analysts who came on the show and they said,
he loves this. He loves the attention more than anything else.
It's not about winning, it's about the attention that he
gets in the process, And I said, well, if he wins,
(09:02):
he'll get a whole lot of attention. But you get
addicted to that. Hey, are they talking about our team? Yeah,
they are. It doesn't matter. You know, that's one of
those Any publicity is good publicity. Jerry Jones subscribes to that,
and that's unfortunate. Yes, John, if they're ultimately.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Going to pay Parsons, so is this a game of chicken?
What is going to change with his ability or what
the numbers are going to be? Jones is going to
all of a sudden pay him sooner. The agent's gonna
take less from the Cowboys because they're concerned he's not
going to get the money that he wants.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He even said, well, you could get hit by a car,
like what is Yes, yes, that is true. He could
get hit by a car, he get hit by lightning.
There could be a lot of bad things that happen.
But if you're saying, well, we don't know, I mean, Jerry,
you've made bad decisions contract wise before. I don't think
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this is a bad contract decision. He's going to cost you.
You need him right now. You're an ap average team.
You overpaid it. Quarterback you have drafted pretty well. Somebody
in the front office must be doing a great job
because they have had some surprise picks. And Jerry you know,
(10:14):
famously had some bad picks, whether it's a head coach
or keeping himself as the GM. Some of the signings
that he has, this one seems logical of all the signings. Now,
I love Cdee Lamb. I thought, okay pay him, and
Michael Parsons is a great disruptor. Dak Prescott is not
a great quarterback. He's not a top ten quarterback, but
(10:37):
you paid him that way coming off ankle surgery. Yes, yeah, Paulin, Yeah,
that's exactly right. Michaeh.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Parsons is exactly the case of giving the contract as
fast as you can. Michael Parsons in four years, three
time All Pro, four time Pro bowler, He's twenty five
years old. He's technically entering his prime. This seems like
the smartest money. It's like the Joe Burrow contract. If
through the Bengal you're happy to give Joe Burrow the
most money in quarterback history at the time because all
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he did was play well for you, and now he's
entering that second contract. He lived up to the draft
pick exactly what you want as an owner. It's like,
the only smart money is that second contract of a
sure thing player.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I want to make sure I got this correct. Trey
Hendrickson is he's thirty thirty, ok Sarson's is twenty six, Okay,
so four years older. Okay. I don't know if I
said thirty four, but I think this sack total was
thirty five maybe over the last two years. But I'm
going to go back to the beginning of last season,
and Seaton brought this up and we're just having a
(11:37):
casual conversation. He goes, you know the Cowboys there, it's
a weird situation they're in. You want dak to play well,
Cede Lamb to play well, Micah Parsons to play well,
but as a result, you must pay them, so they're
going to live up to where you drafted them or
how they performed. But then that can be a negative
because you do have to pay these guys one thirty
(12:01):
million dollars, one forty and one sixty million dollars. Well,
that's three players where you got one hundred and thirty
million dollars each season with these guys, and you don't
have the performance that goes along with it because of
the other players on the team. So it was kind
of a good situation, but it was gonna go bad
(12:21):
because if they played well, you have to pay them
commensurate to that, and that's exactly what happened. These guys
are going to be Michael will be the highest paid
non quarterback in the NFL. You got Dak who's the
highest paid quarterback, and Ceedee Lamb, who's what top five
wide receiver with what he's getting paid. Those are good
(12:42):
things that they play well. It's just I never would
assign Dak Prescott to that contract extension. Yes, Paul, but
you could.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Go back to a mistake off a player who played well,
Ezekiel Ellett. Elliott drafted in twenty sixteen, sixteen hundred yards,
one thousand yards, fifteen hundred yards, fourteen hundred yards, carried
the ball more than anyone in the sport for four
straight years, and they gave him the monstrous second contract
where he started going downhill. But they got caught up
in we drafted a running back high, he paid off,
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we must pay him when they'd been should have done
the discipline thing and not paid him.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, I said, you got everything you wanted out of him,
move on from him, and then Jerry signs the contract
extension even brings back Zeke Elliott again for another curtain call.
You know, if you're loyal, great, But if you're loyal,
don't say things publicly about Michael Parsons or Dak Prescott
or anybody else on the team. It just sometimes he
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acts like he's a caller to a radio station, and
that's unfortunate.
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Speaker 2 (14:56):
JC Tredder former Center with the Browns and The Packer
former NFL Players Association President and Chief Strategy officer at
least those were former titles because he has decided to
step down. Why are you stepping down? Jac?
Speaker 8 (15:14):
Yeah, I feel like I had nothing left to give
the organization. I felt like as a player, I sacrificed
the back end of my career, and I sacrificed time
with my family and I did those for the players,
and I would do them again. I love working for
the players. In the last five weeks, I feel like
I've had to sacrifice in my public reputation. There's been
some stories out there about me that aren't true, and
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I've been asked to sit on that and not talk
about it. And that was for the organization. That wasn't
for the players, And in the end, I feel like
I couldn't do that anymore. I've always said the only
thing I've ever wanted to care about was being a
great dad and a great husband. And once this job
wasn't fun anymore or hurt my family, I was out.
And it happened both of those at the same time,
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and it was time for me to leave.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So Lloyd Hall Junior, the Players Association executive, has decided
to step down as well. Be specific on what you're
talking about that is not true that's being said about you.
Speaker 8 (16:10):
Yeah, I mean there's been a lot of narratives fun
the idea that I buried, the collusion grievance. I've never
seen the collusion grievance. The collision I don't have access
to the collusion grievance. I wasn't in any discussions about the
collusion grievance just not part of my job. The idea
that I've been angling for the executive director job since
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I was a president also not true. I was asked
to run for executive director during the last search. I
declined because it would take me away from my family
for too much and I wanted to be with my kids.
I've got two young kids. I love watching them grow up.
There's been a story about US firing an arbitrator that
said it was because of me. I don't fire arbitrators.
That's legals department. I don't do that stuff. So a
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lot of things had been rolled down to this must
be Jc's fault, and that's not where I sit in
the organization. And that's not the type of person I am,
and I didn't want people thinking that was the type
of person I am.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
ESPN reported last week that Hall struck a confidentiality agreement
with the NFL six months ago, hid that from the players,
and that was a January arbitration decision finding that the
league executive urged team owners to reduce guaranteed player compensation.
When did you find out about that collusion?
Speaker 8 (17:26):
I know we lost the collusion a grievance in January
that I knew that. I didn't know of any agreements
or what was happening with that because it's not part
of my department. Once it leaked a few weeks ago,
I started learning more. I was on the board call
in the EC call when it was explained what had
happened over the last six months to the players. So
I know more now, but at that point I knew nothing.
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It wasn't involved in the discussions.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
There's a quote where you're saying something about Russell Wilson
not getting a guaranteed contract with the Denver Broncos. Would
you elaborate on that. Is that an accurate quote?
Speaker 8 (18:02):
Yeah, So that's the thing about being deposed. They get
your phone, they read all your text messages. Is not comfortable,
but those are all facts. So what had happened was
when I retired, I actually did an interview and I
talked about it. They asked about guaranteed contracts, and I said,
the next best person to get a guaranteed contract is
Russell Wilson. I thought he was traded for assets, similar
to Shaan Watson. He's a former Super Bowl winner. The
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team can't just let him leave. They have a lot
of pressure on him. They also have a cash rich owner.
There was a lot of things in his favor to
get a guaranteed contract. When he did not get a
guaranteed contract, I texted d and I called him a loser,
and I called him a wuss, And I was upset
in that moment because I felt like we were missing
an opportunity to get guaranteed contracts. We had Kirk Cousins
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get one years ago and no one came behind him.
And then I was worried, we're gonna have the same
thing and we're going to miss an opportunity for players
to get guaranteed contracts. That was before the collusion grievance
was launched. That was before the idea of collusion had
come up. Months later was when we launched the collusion
griefents and that's why my deposition they asked me about it,
and I said, if I knew the league was colluding
against Russell, I would apologize because I would know there
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was factors outside his control that were illegal and not
allowed to happen. But I didn't know that at the
time I sent the text message.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Do you think that owners have been colluding on no
more guaranteed contracts.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
I can only know what was in that report, which
is the arbitrator found that the league encouraged teams to collude,
but the arbitrator did not feel like the NFLPA proved
that the teams acted on that recommendation and that there
is no damages that we could prove either. At this point, now,
this is still pending. So even though it was quote hidden,
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it was in a stand still agreement and the right
to appeal was still there. So the NFLPA is appealing.
So this is still open and could potentially change. So
this is still a pending investigation or a pending matter,
and I hope it comes out or I hope it's
proven that we are able to prove those other two
pieces that are needed to win the entire collusion groups.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
But isn't there a public record of the owner of
the Chargers and the owner of the Cardinals talking about
guaranteed contracts for their respective quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Yeah, everything in that collusion. We can talk about what
it looks like and then what the findings were or
what the arbitrator ruled. And I think one of those
is what's the public messaging versus what's the actual findings,
and the actual findings as of it now is that
they wasn't found that they were colluding. That is still
under appeal, and I think the hope is that that
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changes when it goes to a three judge panel. J. C.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Trader, former NFLPA President, chief strategy officer, of course, former
NFL player. Some of these other things with Lloyd Howell Junior,
ESPN reported that he was sued for sexual discrimination and
retaliation in twenty eleven when he was an executive at
another job strip club going to strip clubs. I don't
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know who went to the strip clubs. Why is the
NFLPA doing business at strip clubs? And were you aware
of the sexual discrimination or the retaliation with the former
head of the NFLPA.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
We were aware of those during the search. We brought
up those that came out in the background check. We
asked him questions during the interviews, both with the Executive
Committee and at the final board meeting, we asked him
directly about those. He explained his side of the story,
and the board was comfortable with his answer, and that's
how it proceeded. When it comes to the strip club
I was not there I've never been to a strip club.
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I don't drink, I don't do anything in that realm
that should not have happened. I wouldn't have done it.
It should not have happened. I'm not going to talk
about who else was there. That's not my business. I
was not and that's a bad luck.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
But is it a business meeting at two different strip
clubs I'm trying to understand. And the fact that he
charges it to the NFL Players Association? Correct, Correct, that
was the story.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
I do not condone it at all. I do not
think it is right. It should never have happened. It
should never happen going forward.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
How do you think players should feel about the NFL
Players Association?
Speaker 11 (22:18):
Now?
Speaker 8 (22:20):
This is not where we wanted to be. When we
launched the search years ago, we were looking for an
executive director that was going to be here for two
plus terms. That's like ten years that did not happen.
So this is not part of the plan. I think
what's the most important thing for the players right now
is to understand that this is their union. The players
need to come together. They need to find an in
orim to lead in the time being, and then they
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need to find a search to find somebody that is
going to lead them going forward. And this is not
the timeline we wanted. We wanted a longer runaway going
into the next CBA, but these are now where the
chips have fallen, and I think the players need to
take a very hard look at the organization about what
to do moving forward and find the person that's going
to come in and make this organization what they want
it to be, because in the end, the players are
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the most important part of this. That's who leads this,
that's who this is all about, and the players need
to dive in and take care of it.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
What's the feedback been from current players over the last
couple of months.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
I mean, this is also a weird time in the
schedule where a lot of guys are away, so I
don't think a lot of people are paying attention to
the news. I've heard from a lot of guys in
the last couple of days as they get back into
the locker rooms and start talking. I've heard a lot
of disappointment for me leaving, which I appreciate. Again, I've
told them I've loved working for the players. Since I
became president, it has been an honor and that no
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matter what happens, I will always be there for them
because that has been always my motivation is just doing
what's best for the guys. And that was one of
the toughest parts about leaving, was I feel like I
lose opportunities to do work for the guys, and that's that.
It was a very emotional weekend for me, and I
finally woke up with some clarity of this is the
best decision for me and my family. But I'm always
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gonna be sad about in the organization because those guys
do a ton of work and I understand what they
go through and what they put on the line and
what they deserve, and I really want them to get
what they deserve.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Speaking to a couple of people involved in this, and
they said they're just a lack of transparency. That it
felt like that even when you hired how that it
was kind of cloaked in, you know, it was a clandestine,
shrouded in secrecy type of thing. How much of a
I mean guilty of lack of transparency would you say
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that's a fair assessment of the NFL Players Association.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
I mean, if we go back the search process, yeah,
You can say there was a lack of transparency to
the outside, right, but that's not exactly who we represent,
like only we owe the outside transparency. I think we
discussed it as player leadership what the search process should
look like. We had two previous search processes that weren't good,
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so it's not like what we used to have was
a great option that bared great results wasn't true. So
we did something different that the players voted on Unanissley,
and we executed exactly what we as players decided, and
that decision was We wanted the players to make their
decision without outside interference telling what they should make and
we did that and in the end you are judged
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by your results, and the results were not what we wanted. Again,
we wanted somebody here for the next ten years. That
did not happen. So I think when they launched their
next search, they should have a discussion learning from the
mistakes of the two previous searches, but also the last
one of what they want to change and what they
want to do different. No search is perfect. I think
there are changes needed, and I think they will figure
out what exactly they're looking for and grow from those.
(25:42):
But Yeah, I think the transparency is an issue that
we talk about of what needs to be known. Again,
I have frustrations now because you have two sides of
the coin. One of well, let the public dive in
and get to know these candidates and share what they've
found out about them. But I look at my situation
where there's been a ton of stories out there there
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just apparently not true, and that's not fair to people.
It's not fair for somebody with an axe to grind
to put out information that isn't true and bury someone's
reputation and impact their standing amongst the union. So there
are different ways to look at what people should be
able to share information on, and I think the guys
will end up making the right decision on how they
want to run it going forward.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
But I'm also looking at this report ESPN had in May,
the FBI investigating the financial dealings of the NFLPA and
the Baseball Players Association. This is a multi billion dollar
group licensing firm, one team partners, Like, there's a lot
of stuff going on here, your chief strategy officer, and
it feels like nobody knows or knew what was going
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on here.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
Yeah, I'm not going to comment on the investigation while
I'm not at the organization anymore in that capacity, so
I'm not going to speak about it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I will say, well, that's ongoing, is that right?
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Correct? And we have outside council looking into it, with
a group of players looking into it. And that's the
important part, right We have active players who are on
a committee to dive into these issues and evaluate all
the issues, because in the end, it's the players union
and the players have to know what's going on, and
the players deserve to know what's going on. You're right,
and that is a problem, and the players need to
get to the bottom of it, and they will. I'm
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confident they will.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
When are we going to eighteen games?
Speaker 8 (27:24):
I don't know. That's a CBA issue, so whenever that's
going to.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Have had discussions for a while about this. So are
they concessions that you're asking for the.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
Pars No, not at this point. Again, I think Rogers
made it clear anytime the microphone gets in his face,
he brings up eighteen games, So I think he's been
clear about what they want. But in the end, they
can't unilaterally impose that that needs to be something that's
given in a CBA negotiations, and those haven't started, and
those probably aren't going to start for a while at
this point with everything going on. And in the end,
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that is a major if that is something players are
ever willing to give, that is a major give that
damages players, hurts them bad. I know Roger went on
a long list of things recently around sharing costs and
lowering cash payments in more international games. Those are all
things that are really bad for players, and I think
players shouldn't rush into a conversation when the other side
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is listing off a long list of demands that are
really bad for them. We have a CBA until twenty
thirty one, There is no need to rush into those negotiations.
If they want to have an early discussion with the players,
then they should have a list of things of why
it's good for the players. And I haven't heard a
reason why having an early negotiation is good for the
players at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Should the players trust the commissioner?
Speaker 8 (28:39):
This isn't a shot at his character. He works on
the other side. There's labor in management. He has bosses
that are not the players, he has interests that are
not the players' interests. So you probably should not trust
the person who negotiates on the other side of the
table because he has other interests. Besides that, I think
the players need to find a leader and executive director
that they do trust, and they in that room to
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negotiate everyhalf for their best interest. That is how unions work.
You need a leader of that union to represent the
player's interest and you trust that person. You don't trust
the person on the other side of the table.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I ran into Jim McMahon and Tahoe and he's in
bad shape. I think there was thought that he might
lose part of his leg and I said, well, but
don't you have health benefits And he said no, So
why doesn't Jim McMahon like help me understand this. I mean,
(29:32):
do you get it for like five years and then
that's it, You're done.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
So there's a couple different ways. I think one, we've
talked about lifetime healthcare forever. That's been a conversation for
twenty five years, probably longer at the union. The issue
is that is not an option because no one is
offering lifetime healthcare. To get lifetime healthcare, you need an
institution to give you lifetime healthcare, and there is nobody
willing to offer it. No one's willing to take on
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that risk, no matter what the payment is. That's the reality.
So the next step goes, how do you get insurance
to players. What we have right now is if you vest,
you get five years post career health insurance. You also
build up an HRA account. If you map those out,
you can build up some insurance for a while. What
we need to do is find other ways to supplement
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the insurance coverage until we have an institution that is
willing to give us lifetime healthcare and we have the
money to pay for it, because again that is part
of the revenue split. Everything comes out of the revenue split.
So if we wanted lifetime healthcare and we could afford it,
it would come out of whether the salary cap or
other benefits. But right now that is not an option.
So I think one of the important things of the
Union is going through and figuring out how to give coverage.
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We have disability benefits, we have health we have HA accounts,
we have post career healthcare. We have a bunch of
different things that if you stack up the right way,
you can have coverage for a long time. But it's
not as clean. It's just like a single plan that
lasts forever.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Jc, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
Good luck, absolutely thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
JC Treider, former NFLPA president, chief strategy officer, and of course,
played in the NFL.
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Speaker 2 (31:17):
Mike Tannenbaum of The Mothership, former general manager in the NFL,
kind enough to join us, Mike, I want to get
your reaction to these two different clips from two different owners.
Let me start with Jerry Jones and what he is
saying about Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest
paid at the position in the league and he got
knocked out two thirds of the year, Dark Prescott. So
there's a lot of things you can think about, just
as the player does when you're thinking about committing and
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guaranteed money.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
What's the purpose of those comments?
Speaker 11 (32:00):
Stunning and totally unnecessary. It's the cost of doing business,
and nobody knows that better than Jerry Jones, who was
one of the architects of the Collective Baring agreement. Look,
there's parts of the agreement that are both that are
good for both sides, Dan, and everyone knows the risks,
but you're fortunate to have a great player in Michaeh Parsons,
and he's going to be the highest pay non quarterback
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in the history of the NFL. Every day you don't
get that deal done, the more expensive it gets. And
I was stunned by what he said.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
All right, then you have the Bengals owner Mike Brown
who said this about his great edge rusher, Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get
Trey signed as we speak here. There are guys over
in the office working to get that. We like Trey
as a person, he's a good guy. But when it
comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few
of them with him, he pushes hard. If he gets emotional.
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We never have an easy time of it. But there's
one thing that is consistent. It always gets done. And
I think this one will Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
You have an owner who inherited a team and he
is critical of a player who gets emotional trying to
negotiate a contract. Here, help me understand what Mike Brown
is saying.
Speaker 11 (33:26):
Yeah, likewise, that was a surprise.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Dan.
Speaker 11 (33:29):
Look, if they had locked Trey Henderson in a room
after the last game and said, hey, we're going to
make you the highest paid pass rusher would have been
thirty four million dollars. Thirty four point one million hired
that Nick Bosa. And when did we see the offseason,
Danel Hunter, Max Crosby, Miles Gary and lately TJ Watt.
And if we're wandering the Bengals, Dan, TJ Watt and
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Trey Hendrickson are two months apart in terms of age.
Trey Hendrickson has outproduced TJ Watt over the last two years.
And we know based on everything Pittsburgh has done, from
Aaron Rodgers to DK Metcalf, John hus Smith, Jalen Ramsey, Dan,
They're gonna get DJ Watt done? So why are we waiting?
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So I was surprised by Mike Brown's comments, And I
just they had a great off season getting T Higgins
signe to Marty Side. Why not be aggressive and proactive
to get Trey hendricks inside.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, it feels like the Eagles gave us the blueprint,
gave us the blueprint for building a team that Howie
Roseman's done a wonderful job and Jeffrey Lourie and getting
these contracts done and they don't drag out, I don't
think do they in Philadelphia.
Speaker 11 (34:41):
You're making a great point. No, And look, if we're
in an arms race, we're the Cowboys and we're trying
to catch the Eagles, and we're paying premium prices and
they're getting discount prices. That's why you lose guys like
Jordan Lewis to Jacksonville, the Marcus Lawrence to Seattle. You know,
Adam Schefter mentioned this morning, Dan like, maybe that's they
didn't have the money signed Derrick Henry. So if you
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and they've done a nice job of drafting, if you
know you have Cbee Lamb or Dad Prescott or in
this case Parsons, sign them early, you would save tens
of millions of dollars and that translates into keeping more
good players. To your point, which is what the Eagles
have done.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
How tough is it to be a general manager and
have an owner who speaks.
Speaker 9 (35:29):
Well.
Speaker 11 (35:29):
Look, I always define the job of being a GM
is the point guard of information. I got to sit
between the head coach and owner and it could be
Dyl Reeves or whomever, and say, hey, look here's where
we are, Here's what's reasonable, here's what they want. You know,
is there a spot that we could all live live
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with fight another day? Maybe not ideal. And look, owners
are going to speak, they're certainly, you know, they're entitled
to it.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Dan.
Speaker 11 (35:59):
My whole thing will is if we're speaking, let's just
be aligned on the sound bites and let's never say
anything negative or anything that could be inflammatory to the
other side, especially in the big media markets. I want,
you know, worked in and Jerry Jones is too smart
and too strategic, Like, why would you want to inflame
Micah Parsons or even take a shot at Dak Prescott.
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Wasn't like Dak Prescott try to get hurt. You know,
the guy cares deeply. He got hurt. So I was
really surprised for what, you know, what he said.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
But is this how owners really think? We're just hearing
the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 11 (36:38):
That's a fair question. Look, I don't think it's one
size fits all. To be candid, do some owners take
that way yeah, obviously they do. But you know there's
others that all they want to do is, you know,
want to win. They understand the risks involved. Look, the
Content Bary Agreement DAN is a very long and complicated agreement.
All these valuations of the franchises keep going up, so
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the asset appreciation is a very big win for the owners,
which it should be. They've taken the risk of ownership
and they should enjoy the upside. Players get their bites
of the apple when they earn it three years and
you know, from their rookie year to get back to
the table. So to me, if I'm Jerry Jones, I'm
very well aware of how much my franchise has got up.
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I should fight the players that are busting their tail
for me. And when a guy gets hurt, it is
what it is. Nobody wants it to happen, but that's
just part of the game.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
He's Mike Tannenbaum, the former general manager in the NFL,
works for the Mothership. How often were you told to
sign somebody that you personally didn't want to sign?
Speaker 11 (37:44):
Well, I would say what would be more frequent was
like how much to sign the player for? And again,
you know, we had to sign up in our office
stand in God we trust. For everyone else, we need
data and basically that Simbili. Hey, well, we have disagreements
on who to pay, how much to pay. It's not
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gonna be who screams louder, It's gonna be let's get
more information, Let's watch more film, let's do more research,
whatever it may be. And I just felt like if
we kept drilling down into the information that should lead
us to the best decision. It's hard Dan, because valid
do you have ninety players, but it's how much to
pay them, how much of the pie to give a player,
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and you're gonna have disagreements on you know, a player's worth.
And I just felt like the more information we could get,
the less emotional it is, and the more reasonable we
can be getting to a landing spot that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
What is the downside of paying Michael Parsons a dollar
more than TJ.
Speaker 11 (38:46):
Watt if you're gonna lose other good players, Like when
your cap is two hundred and eighty million, and sixty
is going to dak In forty one or two is
going to you know, Parsons and CD Lambs getting hit
is like you're outwards of you know, one hundred and
thirty thirty five million dollars for three players, and you
(39:07):
know you're gonna have injuries. So that's why to your point,
which I agree with. On a team like the Eagles,
and you have Devontine Smith or a J. Brown that's
get paid the mid twenties and Cde Lambs in the thirties,
that cumulatively adds up and we're seeing more and more
of the top end of these players get more money.
(39:27):
Like if Patrick Mahomes walks into Barron Systey, Andy Reid
either paid me seventy million a year or are gonna retire,
They're gonna pay the seventy million a year that's gonna
cost them. You know, a good guard in Joe Toney
for example. And that's the context of the decisions you
have to make, which is when we pay a star player,
which is a great problem to have, somebody else is
(39:49):
gonna have to leave the roster.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Always great to talk to you, Mike, Safe Travels. Thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 11 (39:56):
Appreciate you having me.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Thanks DM, Mike Sanemon
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