July 24, 2025 • 52 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP reacts to Shohei Ohtani homering in 5 straight games. Will his hitting and pitching carry the Dodgers going down the stretch? Ross Tucker questions Trey Hendrickson's holdout, and says Kirk Cousins is firmly on-deck for any team hit with injuries during camp. Jason Garrett gives an honest dive into the mind of Jerry Jones, and expresses curiosity over Washington's turnaround.
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Birthday?
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Speaker 3 (01:32):
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If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app,
and we say good morning to our radio affiliates around
the country. Show, Hey Otani did it again last night.
So that's five consecutive games. And I asked Pauli, I said,
I'm curious the percentage of home runs to hits that
he has, Like how many how often does he hit
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a home run? And how many of you know, percentage
wise of the hits he's had, so O'tani has one
hundred six hits, are one hundred and eight hits and
thirty seven home runs, So thirty four percent of all
of his hits our home runs. Now, I thought Kyle
Schwarber would lead baseball in that category. He's just a
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little bit above. Show Hey Otani, thirty six percent of
Kyle Schwarber's hits our home runs. He has ninety four hits,
he has thirty four home runs. The big dumper, the
big Dumper is number one. He has over forty one
percent of his hits our home runs, ninety four hits,
thirty nine home runs. Eugenio Suarez of the Diamondbacks almost
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thirty nine percent of his hits. Aaron Judge is also
in there as well, twenty almost twenty nine percent of
his hits are home runs. So feast or famine for
a few of these guys. And early in the season,
well it was early in the season Otani was batting
three fifty Aaron Judge Aaron Jue, which is batting average
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is still pretty good. But I think Otani's down around
two seventy to seventy five, whereas Aaron Judge is still
over three hundred. But I do like what the Dodgers
are doing with Otani, and that is you can ease
him back in. If he was just a pitcher, the
strategy would be different. But what they're doing is pitch
a couple of innings. Maybe they have a pitch count,
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but this is all about the postseason. Get to the
postseason and then how are you going to use him?
Are you going to use him maybe certain situations as
a closer, Are you going to use him as a starter,
It's tricky when you're going to try to plan to
put him in a game as a closer, because you
know where's he going to warm up, how's he going
to warm up? What if he doesn't get in the game.
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You know, relievers, closers will tell you they get up
and down. You know that they're loosening up many many times.
You know, a closer could get up fifty times and
not get into the game during a regular season. So
you can't have that for Otani. That's why I think
in some baseball guys have said, hey, it'd be great
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to bring him in as a closer. It just doesn't
line up that way because he's going to be, you know,
probably in the field, unless you know he's a DH,
and then you can say, all right, go out and
warm up while you're a DH, then it would work
that way. But I like what he's doing. I like
what they're doing, and that is this is all about
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the postseason. But he has six He has six hits
in his last five games, and five of the six
hits are home runs.
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This is the stat of the day.
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Stat of the day brought you by Panini America, the
official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Well, if
you're showing up to see Otani Homer, you're getting your wish.
He doesn't do much else, doesn't need to just hitting
home runs, all right? Pull question today, Seaton, What are
we going to go with?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Just sing? Shout out to j Lo and Rose byrn
also share a birthday with them?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Oh great? Rose Burn? Okay, all right?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Barry Bonds not same month, same day, same.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Year, but okay, kind of lumped in there together. Better
career Bonds, j Loo or Rose.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Oh Man, that old question.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Would you rather have Jlo's career or Barry Bond's career?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Ah?
Speaker 7 (05:36):
J Loo's is not tainted by anything. She's successful, dancer, singer, actress, okay, right,
and she's multi talented with the whole acting, sing and
everything else.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Barry Bonds just hits cheating hold on sing.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Very successful singer.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
I feel like Jaylo's got some diddy stuff she needs
to take care of. But I mean, other than that,
it's not really all that tainted.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And other people singing her songs by the way, but.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Very successful though.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Seaton, who would you take Barry Bond's career?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Jal you know what I'm taking my career. I'm going
off the boarder board. Well, it is your birthday, go
off the board, Marvin j Lo or Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Okay, Paulie, I think this is clear, no pun intended.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
That you're gonna cream the competition.
Speaker 8 (06:34):
J Loo?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Why is she going wired to?
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Why she got like a forty year media career.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, she's an entertainer. You see her out and abound.
You don't see much of Bonds anymore unless it's a
Giants game or spring training.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So no one else is doing this, Paul. Questions are no, No,
they're not. They're not.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
If they are, then they're they're sampling from our show.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Yes, Ston, you get to act, you get to sing,
you can dance.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, I got to maintain that.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Though I look good and closed.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
What's right?
Speaker 5 (07:05):
What's wrong with all those things?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah? Yeah, yes, Marvin. But does j Loo have a statue?
She is a statue statue?
Speaker 8 (07:14):
Asked?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay. Meanwhile, so with any question today.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Here's one from all your policy on rookie quarterbacks, start
them or sit them?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Okay, So Will Levis is going to be out this
entire season with Carolina or no, Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Same thing.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
But he's gonna have shoulder surgery, and that means cam
Ward has to start, or at least he's projected to start.
So if you're in the camp of I don't want
my rookie quarterbacks to start, well, tough luck. Given what
Tennessee has, I think they have. Wasn't it Aaron Rodgers,
good buddy Tim Boyle?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Oh? Who was? He was on the Jets roster.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yes, I don't know if he can play, but he's
a backup quarterback, and I think they have in the
the kid out of Texas A and m Allen last names?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (08:16):
Is he from Arkansas?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Kyle h Brandow, Kyle Allen, Brandon Allen markets He could
have been at both?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Okay, yeah, not quite sure.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
Yes, So I guess the question here is the past
five years the Tennessee Titans have not done well with
the quarterback position. You know, Malik Willis did not work out.
No offense doesn't appear that will Levis is working out.
You draft cam Ward, who you know, played at a
bunch of schools, got a lot of reps in college.
But now you have to start him week one or
it feels like you have to start a week one.
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Is that what you want to do if you're a
below average franchise with a developmental quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I don't like it. I would like for him to
just watch the game from the sidelines, understand how this
starter prepares for a game, all of those things. It's
just different than college. The speed is different, terminology is different,
the athletes are different. I think, observe a game or
two or three, you're not going to win your division,
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and now he does. He's got Tyler Lockett and he's
got Calvin Ridley, so he's got some guys that he
can throw the ball to. But I would like to
ease him in on a bad team. You know, the
NFL is littered with quarterbacks who played for bad teams
and picked up bad habits. You know, I thought Tim
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Couch went to the Cleveland Browns, and I thought, you know,
at the time, that was maybe a prototypical NFL quarterback
and he didn't have a successful career. If he went
to another team, maybe an established coach or offense or
some other players, then maybe, But I just think I
go back, you know, when you're seeing quarterbacks and they
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go to a bad team, you're going to a bad
team for a reas they don't have a good quarterback,
and now you're asked to be a savior.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Yeah, Pauline, you mentioned something yesterday that it often doesn't
work out one of those quarterbacks who has like fifteen
career starts and then gets the reins of a team.
Cam Ward had thirty eight starts in his college career,
thirteen in Miami and then another, you know, twenty five
at Washington State. That's pretty good. But if you go
back to Jayden Daniels, Jayden Daniels played five years of
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college football. He had fifty five major college starts before
joining the Commanders, that's invaluable.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well, scouncel will tell you the sample size they like
is around twenty five to thirty starts. Then they get
a better sense of, you know, what you do, what
you don't do, what you can improve upon, sort of
what you're going to be saddled with. If this is
who you are, you know, maybe there's some things you
can improve upon. But they like to have a little
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bit larger sample size. And I think that's why, you know,
when we look back on Trey Lance, what did he
have twelve starts?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
In his career. It just you got to have more
seasoning than that.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And we've seen a couple of these quarterbacks who have
flamed out when they've only been really good. You know,
Zach Wilson. Okay, maybe there's still a chance, but he
didn't start that many games either.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Yeah, Paulie, And this is kind of the end of
that COVID Bonus year era where quarterbacks are gonna have
fifty plus college starts bo Nicks. I don't think a
lot of people thought he'd be this he would be
this good as a rookie. But Bonnick started sixty one
games in college, you know, three years in the SEC,
two years at Oregon, sixty one college games.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
He was ready to go.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
He's like twenty five years old.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
And I like that he was with two big time programs.
He was playing in big games. You're playing in the
SEC and you're playing in the PAC twelve, and then
you go to the quarterback whisper. By the way, bo
Nick spent four or five days or five or six
days with Drew Brees this summer. So Sean Payton put
those two together, and I think his development was one
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of the more surprising things that we saw last year
because I don't know if people now Sean wanted bow Knicks,
and I think that there were scouts who liked bow
Knicks better than the other quarterbacks. But you know, Sean
Payton got who he wanted, and I think for a
team that we thought was on the rise, made the
playoffs last year. I don't know if we give enough
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credit to bow Knicks, usually what happens, it'll be like
Sean Payton did it again. Well, he can tell you
what to do, you still have to go do it.
And I think bo Nicks surprised a lot of people
with what he did.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
Yeah, pulling and bo Knicks was not a hot property
coming out of the draft. He didn't talk about him
as a top five guy. His last year of college
at Oregon in twenty twenty three, forty five hundred yards,
seventy eight percent passer, forty five touchdowns and only three picks.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah he's yeah, that's big time, all righty any other
poll questions Seaton, Yes, you.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Know, I think Cam wore too. He's got a couple
of dudes that throw to I think they upgraded the
offense to the line a little bit. He's stepping into
maybe not the worst situation to start out early, right, maybe.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Uh yeah, I mean it might be a Bryce Young
situation where if all goes well, I mean, there's still
probably going to be one of the worst teams. So
maybe you get five wins, six wins, something like that.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
But that he he gets the benefit of no expectations
now maybe because he he wasn't the number one starter
going right in. He was supposed to sit behind somebody
who uh you know, has to have surgery. So now
he's getting bumped up. He gets he gets a little
bit of like a a six week Hall pass there, right, but.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
He's still the number one pick in the draft, so
the ex there are expectations there. Like Caleb Williams, there
are expectations like, uh, you know when Jade Daniels didn't
have the expectations.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I mean, see second, Caleb Williams had the expectations even
way before he was drafted. He's been born for this moment.
He had these expectations when he was in seventh grade.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
Paul, I think one of the worst situations is obvious
when Bryschong came to Carolina and they traded DJ Moore.
So he goes in with a bad line, no skill
position players, and it's almost like Bryschong gets a little
bit of a hall pass for that rookie year. And
Bryschong the last seven eight games last year was pretty good.
His stats last year don't impress anybody, but if you
look at the back half of the season, Bryschong is
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is kind of on that recovery tract.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Well, they had the Kansas City Chiefs on the ropes,
and you know, we normally weren't tuning in to watch
the Panthers, but that was a game that nationally we
watched and they almost pulled off the upset.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
All right.
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As he joins us, now, great to see you, Ross.
We talked a little bit about Nick Saban and the
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suggestion that maybe he could come back to the NFL
and be specific, come back to the Browns and try
to pair him with Arch Manning. Seems like a lot
connecting the dots there for all of that to happen.
But let's just talk about the likelihood that Saban would
come back, but he would coach in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
I think it's unlikely. I mean it's possible.
Speaker 9 (16:58):
I guess Dan if it's the perfect situation, But I
think he retired for a reason. It certainly seems like
he's loving being on ESPN and college game Day. He
looks like he's having the time of his life, and
I don't blame him. It's kind of a great way
to segue after your coaching career. You know, maybe if
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there was a perfect NFL situation, he would come and
try to show that he can succeed at that level.
I know I've always kind of thought, there's always this talk.
Saban's the goat, Belichick's the goat. Obviously one did it
in college, one did in the NFL. You know, maybe
that's why they're switching sides here in their seventies, right.
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Maybe Belichick wants to prove he can win in college,
and then maybe Saban wants a second chance in the
NFL so that they can settle once and for all,
who's only the better football.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Coach, well more likely to coach in the NFL, Belichick
or Saban.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
Ooh, that is a good one.
Speaker 9 (18:04):
I think I'm still gonna say Belichick because it's very
clear and obvious that he still wants to do that.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
Right.
Speaker 9 (18:11):
I don't think anybody out there believes that Belichick would
have taken the North Carolina job if he had any
NFL opportunity. I don't really care what he says publicly
or privately. I believe that he wants to be an
NFL head coach. I think he wants to break Don
Schull's record. I think we all know he wants to
break Don Schull's record and perhaps going North Carolina for
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a year coaching there. Maybe he can do enough there
to generate interest to get another NFL opportunity. But in
my mind, Dan, we know for a fact Belichick wants
to be a head coach in the NFL. We don't
even know if Saban wants to coach again period, So
I'll go Belichick all day on that one.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm trying to understand the logic with NFL owners. By
the way, I saw the revenue split, So the team
split over thirteen billion dollars and the Packers have to
reveal their reb share. It was four hundred and thirty
two million dollars that these teams got. Yeah, so Jerry
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Jones with his situation now he has a salary cap
to deal with, so it's not like he's the Dodgers
and he can pay whatever he wants. But help me
understand the logic behind what's going on with Michael Parsons
and his contract.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
You know, the first thing I would say, Dan, that's
interesting since you reference the Packers, they have that mandatory
retirement age for their team president of seventy you know.
On Mark Murphy, I think this is his last week
or whatever he's been the team president. I always think
about that when on the same day Mike Brown at
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age eighty nine and Jerry Jones at age eighty two
are making comments that don't really help them them or
their franchise. You know, I guess I think of it
this way, Dan, My grandpa is one of my favorite
people in the world that I ever had in my life.
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I wouldn't have wanted him speaking publicly after age eighty.
And I don't know if you know some of these guys,
I don't know if Jerry Jones is just maybe they're
just at the age where they just don't care, you know,
like they're in their eighties. But Jerry Jones is out
here saying, well, yeah, you want us to do these
contracts early. We did tray Von Diggs and Terrence Teele
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and you saw how that went.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
And then he says, hey, we made.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Back the highest paid guy he missed two thirds of
the season.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
We could sign Micah but he missed.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
For I mean, Jerry Jones just doesn't care at all,
and he's just putting it out there. I've I've come
to the conclusion this, Dan, I think there's two reasons
because I have racked my brain to try to understand
the logic of why the Cowboys operate the way they
do contracts you with their star players. I think there's
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two things. One is risk slash liability. Right, as soon
as you give that guy the huge deal, then the
injury risk and the off field risk really falls on
the team more than the player. And I think Jerry
Jones is on some level willing to pay to just
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put that risk on the player as long as possible.
What if Michael Parsons gets hurt on the field or
off the field, what if he gets in trouble? Right,
the only other rookie other than Stewart that hasn't signed
a contract yet is Brown's running back Quinn Shawn Judkins.
Because of that domestic battery arrest down in Florida.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
You know that maybe they're waiting till the last possible second.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
The other thing is, and we know this, Jerry realized
a few years ago that nothing generates attention during training
camp like a star player holdout. It's the top of
every website every day. The latest thing that Jerry said
about Micah's contractor that Micah Parsons said.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
To the media.
Speaker 9 (22:12):
You know, if you tried to calculate the free publicity,
the free pr that the Cowboys get every day that
Mike is not signed, it probably helps to make up
for what they're going to have to pay them, which
is more. The problem is, and Cowboys fans know this.
Waiting this long makes you pay more, eats up more
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of the salary cap. It's not good for the team.
It's not good for the football product on the field,
even if maybe it's beneficial for the business off the field.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And then you got the Bengals situation. By the way,
those are all fair points that you made.
Speaker 8 (22:50):
There.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
The Bengals situation, you have an owner who inherited a
football team and he is now saying that Trey Hendrickson
should and be so emotional when it comes to his contract.
And then he gets emotional talking about the first round
pick Shamar Stewart who's not in camp, and that you
know this, I forget.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
What the word was, a foolishness.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
So he's getting animated while complaining about Trey Hendrickson getting animated.
And then the Shamar Stewart logic here of hey, they
want to put language in there that if I violate
the Code of Conduct policy, then they're not going to
pay me. And then Mike Brown says, we don't want
to pay somebody who's going to be in jail. So
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if I'm Shamar Stewart, don't I have enough confidence in
myself that I won't end up in jail. Therefore I
don't need that language there. Get paid, get in camp,
stay out of jail. That's not asking too much, is it.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
You know, there's a lot of good stuff there.
Speaker 9 (23:53):
Dan, Let's start with Mike Brown and what he said
about emotional because that reminds me of when one of
the times when I got cut during my career, someone
was saying, like, it's not personal, you know, this is
just part of the business, and I said, it's not personal.
Speaker 8 (24:09):
You kind of just fired.
Speaker 9 (24:10):
Me, like, like, this is my life, this is my dream.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
I've been doing this since I was five. You kind
of just fired me.
Speaker 9 (24:19):
It's gonna be in the cover paper of my hometown newspaper,
Like there's nothing more personal than this.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
Like this is like it's as personal as it gets.
So I always laugh at that part of it.
Speaker 9 (24:32):
I'll say two things on the Bengals because these are
two separate issues, right The Trey Hendrickson thing. You know, Dan,
he signed a band aid extension two years ago where
he tacked on that extra year, right, He otherwise would
have been a free agent this year. And I think
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he and his representatives should have realized it's the Bengals
right like, they're gonna do what they can contractually and
hold your feet to the fire. He shouldn't have done
that band aid a couple of years ago if he
didn't want to. And I have no idea why any
of these guys hold out anymore. He's costing himself fifty
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thousand dollars a day, and the Bengals are not the
type of organization that's gonna make up for that with
the contract that they give you. You know, there's other
guys out that Micah Parsons isn't practicing right now.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
He says his back is tight or whatever. Right.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
We've seen guys hold in in recent years, Brandon Aiyuk,
Jamar Chase last year. Remember the first few days last
year as training camp, Tatungo Baia Looa and Jordan Love
were both holdens. So why guys like Hendrick sin or
McLaurin just throw away fifty k per day?
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Is beyond me. I don't understand the logic there. Report.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
You're actually more of a distraction if you're there and
you're talking to media every day and you say your
hamstring hurts or your back hurts or whatever. The Stewart thing,
which I think the Bengals don't realize, is he's gonna
sign a four year, fully guaranteed contract. He's not eligible
for a new deal regardless until after his third year.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Right so whatever.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
He's missing right now, he missed the offseason, he's missing
training camp. The Bengals have Joe Burrow and these two
star receivers in their prime.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
In my opinion, Dan, it's.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
Actually more critical or there should be a greater sense
of urgency for the Bengals to get Shamar Stewart in
and get him ready to contribute this year after their
defense was horrendous last year. That it is for Shamar Stewart.
I mean, the reality is he could do nothing the
next two years. But if his third year he balls out, well,
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then he's gonna get a new contract. So the onus
to me to get Stuart in is on the Bengals.
If this contract language is that important to them, then
bump up his signing bonus. They like to give him
half now and half in six months. Throw them a bone.
Here's half now, we'll give the other half in a month.
Sign this thing that says, if you go to jail,
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we don't have to pay you.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I don't know if you saw the news. Justin Fields
was carted off practice with the Jets today. And I
don't know the severity of this. I'm waiting for Chefty
to have an update on this, but kirk Cousins is
going to be in play at some point to some team.
It feels like now. Once again, I don't know the
injury in the severity of that, but it just feels
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like kirk Cousins is in the on deck circle for now.
I don't know if the Jets say we're willing to
bring in somebody like that with the amount of money
that they're probably going to have to pay, it's probably
going to have to be a team that, you know,
they're going to be a playoff team if they lose
you know, a starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
But I'm not.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Sure if the Jets would have kirk Cousins in play,
or the number of teams that would be considering kirk
Cousins what do you think.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
Well, yeah, it's a great point, Dan, and I'll you know,
no matter how severe the injury is to fields, I'll
actually give the Atlanta Falcons some credit for hanging on
to Cousins and not kind of selling low during the
offseason because an injury like this, you know, the the
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Jets are if he's out for the year, the Jets
are not going to go into the season with the
other guys they have on the roster right now as
their starter. Right They're not going to have that be
the case. So that makes Kirk Cousins very much in
play because remember this, right Aaron Glenn, new head coach, Mouji,
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the new GM they're trying to establish their culture. It's
a new regime, and I think they want to get
off to a good start in terms of having a
solid season and winning, and Cousins would give them that opportunity.
The flip side, which is fascinating, okay, is that it's supposed.
Speaker 8 (29:12):
To be a really good draft for quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
We know all the guys Arch Manning and nuss Meyer
and Drew Aller and all the names that are out there.
You know, maybe there's a case to be made where
the Jets say, oh, it's tough luck with fields, and
you know there's nobody else really out there. We got
to go with these guys. And then maybe the Jets
get the number one pick in the draft and they
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have their pick of what's supposed to be a really
good draft class. There's really two ways they could go.
They could go the Cousins or maybe try to sign
Ryan Tannehill. But I think we all forgot just didn't
play football last year. Maybe they go that route to
try to still be competitive this year, or maybe they
use this as an excuse to throw their hands up
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and play a little moneyball.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
If you will get the number one overall pick.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Why is it?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Next year's draft is always the best draft for quarterback,
right because till next year?
Speaker 9 (30:11):
You know why, because we haven't picked these guys apart yet, right, Like, yeah,
you only pick the guys.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Apart that are in that year's class. Then it's when
it's the next year.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
You think, oh, man, I saw Aler do this against Oregon,
I saw him do this, I saw nus Meyer do this.
But then when you just are like when they're the
guy the next year and we all watch them every
week and really critique them. Then you start to find
the flaws and the warts. But we're not at that
stage yet that that'll happen. About midway through this year,
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there will start to be some reports.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
You know, he's really not as good as we thought
he was. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
A friend of mine who's a scout, he always laughs,
you know when I do, you know, have a draft
analysts on and because he knows that once they get
their hands on, somebody likes that's the real stuff. The
other stuff is just sort of, hey, I think this
guy's got, you know, a great high upside. You know,
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he does this and that, and the scouts go in
there and go, okay, guys, you guys done, Now, let
us go to work. And then all of a sudden
we go, you know, such and such as slipping. Well,
maybe he was put up too high to begin with,
because the scouts wouldn't have put him up there, or
somebody's rising, just like that happened with Mahomes. When my
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friend said, after we sat down with him, then all
of a sudden, we realized that if we're going to
go get him, we're going to have to trade up
to get this guy. And he said, you know, they
didn't get the Mahomes in Kansas City. But he said,
you know, that's when you realize, like, oh my gosh.
It's like when Jerry West worked out Kobe and he said, no, no,
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we're gonna shut it down. Wait, he's only been working
out fifteen minutes. We've seen enough. We don't want anybody
to realize just how good this kid is.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
You know, Dan, it happened this offseason.
Speaker 9 (32:06):
That's exactly what happened with Shador Sanders and Tyler Shuck.
I mean, in November, Shador Sanders was going to be
the number one or number two pick, and nobody even knew.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Who Tyler Shuck was.
Speaker 9 (32:18):
He's the kid that gets injured all the time that
used to be at Oregon. But then when the scouts
got in there and really watched the tape, and then
when they met with them, Shuck went like this and
Shador went like this.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
And hand signals are not great for radio.
Speaker 9 (32:33):
So I will tell everybody that Shuck shot up and
Shador Sanders went down.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Great to catch up with you, we'll talk soon. Thank you.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
Oh he sounds great. Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's Ross Tucker, the Ross Tucker Football Podcast, and he
calls games for CBS.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
In Westwood One.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
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back on the program. How often would players show up
not in shape when you were the head coach of
the Cowboys?
Speaker 10 (33:28):
Not very often.
Speaker 11 (33:31):
You know, the off season program changed a lot through
the years. If you think about twenty eleven, they started
short in the off season programs. You know, relative to
the days of Jimmy Johnson back in the nineties. You know,
we were in that building on March first, and and
you're able to lay a great foundation for the off season.
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You know, we ran and lifted and did all that
for two months before we even thought about touching a football.
Speaker 10 (33:58):
And those days are long gone.
Speaker 11 (34:03):
And I do think in a lot of ways we
miss those days because the foundation that you lay for
yourself physically to get ready for sixteen seventeen game NFL
season is critical, and I think that's changed a little bit.
But I do think guys take care of themselves. I
do think guys know what's at stake. What I get
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a little concerned about is they're not necessarily working out
long enough together in the off season in a competitive
environment with other NFL players. So the degree to which
they're in shape is a little bit of a concern
to me, and I think it's not quite as good
as it used to be because of the structure of
the off season.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Were you with the Cowboys when Jimmy was talking about
if a player falls asleep in a meeting that it'll
cut him and I'm paraphrasing, and then somebody said, well,
what happens if Troy Aikman falls asleep, He goes, well,
I'd go over there wake him up so he wouldn't
be So he had different rules for different people.
Speaker 10 (35:07):
Well, that was the real thing.
Speaker 11 (35:08):
John Roper was a linebacker we had with the team,
and we signed him during the season and he fell
asleep in a meeting and Jimmy cuttam And you know,
but prior to that, he'd talked to the team.
Speaker 10 (35:20):
I'll never forget it.
Speaker 11 (35:22):
He stood in front of the team and a team
meeting and said, hey, guys, you guys don't understand everyone's
on a spectrum here. I don't treat everybody the same.
I don't treat everybody equally. You know, guys who have
been here for a long time and have skins on
the wall and have helped us win championships, they get
treated differently than a guy who just showed up. Troy
Acoman gets treated differently than a third string, you know,
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guard who's trying to hang on by a string.
Speaker 10 (35:45):
He hasn't done anything yet. And to me, it's the.
Speaker 11 (35:49):
First time I've ever heard a coach ever say something
like that. But it's true, and it's honest. And certainly,
you want to be consistent. You want to have a
standard that you hold everybody too. But someone who has
some history with you and has some pelts on the wall,
I definitely think you'd treat them a little bit differently.
And Jimmy was honest with us, and I think everybody
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understood it.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
And were you there when he came up? The value
came up with the value system of draft picks, and
when you were acquiring picks or trading picks like the
number numerical value to those picks.
Speaker 8 (36:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (36:27):
I got there in ninety two, the first Super Bowl year,
and Jimmy had been there. I guess that was his
fourth year, so he showed up in eighty nine. And
that happened prior to me being there. And I think
it was Jimmy and a guy named Mike McCoy who
was one of Jerry Jones's business partners in the oil
and gas business for years, and they're the ones who came.
Speaker 10 (36:48):
Up with it together.
Speaker 11 (36:49):
And it's amazing how that became the language and the
currency of draft rooms across the NFL for so long.
And you know, Jimmy was a really really smart guy.
You know, I never work with him as a coach.
He was he was. I was a player, he was
a coach, so I wasn't priving a lot of the
behind the scenes stuff that goes on. But everyone talks,
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you know, Marvel's at how smart he was to be
able to come up with something like that and be
able to translate the evaluation of a player and the
draft into those terms.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Talking to Jason Garrett Football Night in America, former Cowboys
head coach, help me understand what Jerry Jones. The message
that he's sending to Micah Parsons.
Speaker 11 (37:35):
Well, you know, for me in this day and age,
independent of the Cowboys, you know, the salary cap is
going up, and when you have players on your team
that you believe are cornerstone players, you know, my philosophy,
my thought was always let's sign these guys. Now the
price is only getting higher. You know a few years
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ago when Kansas City signed Patrick Mahomes so that whatever
it was, a five hundred million dollar contract, Everybody's like,
oh my god, that's ridiculous. You know, it's a bargain.
It's a bargain. Now, they were ahead of it. They
took a preemptive strike and it seemed aggressive at the time,
but you know, they're getting that guy for what I
would consider below market value. And you know, Jerry has
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had a philosophy that he likes to wait on these things,
and unfortunately, when you wait, you know, the price goes up.
Miles Garrett signs, then TJ. Watt signs, and all of
a sudden, Michael Parson says.
Speaker 10 (38:34):
Hey, I should be making that.
Speaker 11 (38:36):
Because my stats are this relative to them and all
of that. So it's just something. It's an approach that
he's taken for years. I was always an advocate of
being ahead of it and making the preemptive strikes, assuming
assuming that you believe in the player, assuming that you
think he is a cornerstone player for you. He represents
everything you want in the organization, and he's extremely productive.
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So I gotta believe they want Michael Parsons to be
with them for a long time, and I would think
that it's better to try to get it done sooner
rather than later. Okay, but Dan Olovsky, Ross Tucker, in fact,
Ross Tucker last Hour, feel like Jerry loves the publicity
that he gets with this, that you know this is
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this is free advertising for the Cowboys, that Sports Center
is leading with Michael Parsons. That you know he loves that,
and you can almost become addicted to that. I don't
know what role you think that plays in his negotiation game.
Speaker 10 (39:41):
Well, he's a master marketer.
Speaker 11 (39:42):
I think we all know that, and his impact on
the popularity of the NFL cannot be overstated.
Speaker 10 (39:51):
You and I both know his impact on.
Speaker 11 (39:54):
TV deals in the nineties, his impact on marketing stadiums,
and that's made a lot of owners, a lot of
coaches a lot of players a hell of a lot
of money for a lot of years, so.
Speaker 10 (40:05):
He certainly gets that part of it.
Speaker 11 (40:08):
I don't think that's the driving motivation, because if it
wasn't Michael Parsons, it would be something else with the Cowboys, right,
ESPN always leads with the Cowboys, you know, whatever the
situation is. So I don't think that's a driving force
necessarily for him. Maybe it's a byproduct of the approach
he's taken, but he typically likes to wait on these things.
Speaker 10 (40:32):
He typically likes.
Speaker 11 (40:33):
The player to come to the owner and sit down
and talk and say, Okay, how do you want to
do this. He doesn't like to talk to agents necessarily
about contracts. He likes to get to the point where
Zach Martin or Tyron Smith or Zeke Elliott or Des
Bryant they sit down together and they figure it out.
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And that's not to say that the player goes in
there uneducated, but Jerry just likes to have that individual
relationship with the guy, and he's done that forever. He
did it with Dion Sanders and Troy Aikman and Michael
Lervin and all the guys back in the nineties, So
just an approach that he takes. My concern is the
more you wait, the more you pay.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
But he knows that though Jason, he's a brilliant businessman. Yeah,
and we all say the same thing, it's gonna cost
you more. He waited for Dak and you know that
was the first Sunday of the NFL season. Got that
deal done, So he knows. He's repeated this, he does this.
That's what I just don't understand the logic of I'm
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gonna pay more money. Okay, he's gonna he's gonna sign
Michael Parsons. Right, he's gonna be the highest paid non
quarterback in the NFL, NFL history, it's gonna happen. He
was gonna sign Dak Prescott, he was gonna sign c
d Lamb.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
He.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I mean, I don't understand the logic here a guy,
you know, who's a billionaire.
Speaker 10 (42:04):
Yeah. Maybe he thinks he's going to get a better
deal the more he.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Goes, but he doesn't get a better deal.
Speaker 11 (42:10):
Yeah, and and and maybe he wants to see more evidence.
You know, I'm just throwing those things out there, but
I think you and I both know that it's probably
better to get these guys signed earlier than later.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Give me the team that you're curious about this season,
either good or bad.
Speaker 11 (42:31):
I'm curious about Washington. I just think they did a
remarkable job last year. If you think about where that
organization had been for so long, and it started at
the top, It started with their owner, Daniel Snyder. There
were a lot of really good coaches who went through
through there, a lot of really good players who went
through there, and there were just so many obstacles to
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their having ultimate success. So Josh Harris comes in there
and cleans the slate, and then he brings Dan Quinn in,
which I thought was a tremendous decision. A guy who
can truly build a culture and get and get a
group of players and coaches and an organization working together
the right way.
Speaker 10 (43:11):
Then obviously they get Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 11 (43:13):
So you know, the leadership in that organization from top,
from the ownership to the head coach to the quarterback,
I think is really really good. But it's hard to
do what they did, and so you know, everyone always says, hey,
you regress to the mean.
Speaker 10 (43:30):
I don't know if you do. I don't know if
you don't. But but I like what they're doing there.
Speaker 11 (43:36):
Philadelphia obviously is the best team in that division, of
the best team in the NFL going into this thing.
Speaker 10 (43:42):
But I'm just curious to see if they can maintain it.
Speaker 11 (43:45):
And I'm betting on them because I really love the
leadership and I like the team they're building.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
You know, back to doing it correctly when it comes
to contracts, men, the Eagles have been ahead of the curve.
Like they do it, you know, just like you were saying,
they do it early.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Howie Roseman does not mess around. He's like, that's our guy.
We're going to sign him. We're going to sign him.
And they got bargains with some of these guys.
Speaker 10 (44:11):
Yeah. You know, they have been masterful, they really have.
Speaker 11 (44:15):
And you know, having played them for years being in
the NFC East, you know, as a player and as
a coach, you know, they've always been tough. They've always
been a really good team. You know, Andy's teams that
he had were phenomenal year after year, and then then
certainly you know recently with a couple of Super Bowls
they've won. But you know, I think maybe more than
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anything else, that the most significant factor and all of
that has been Howie Roseman, how they've built the teams.
You know, they're right in their evaluations a lot. You know,
whether they're drafting at the top of the draft, middle
of the draft, and of the draft, whether it's a
free agent signing, they're really really good at the evaluation
of the player. And then, like you said, they're constantly
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a ahead of it. They're letting the one guy go,
they got the new guy coming in. They've been right
on the new guy. Think about their defense last year,
the number of young players they had. You have to
be great evaluators to be able to do that, and
they've done it time and time again, and that obviously
contributes to your ability to let guys go and be
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healthy under the salary cap, and they've been the best
in the league at it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Do you want to play starters in the preseason if
you're a head coach, I do? I do because I
wonder about this. Yeah, it just doesn't feel like you're
to your point getting together as a team and being
able to practice. You know, Belichick would talk about Brady
talked about they kind of treated the first couple of
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games of the regular season like that was their preseason
you know, the Bengals always get off to a slow start.
I don't know if you change your philosophy and maybe
you put added importance on the preseason games here, So
I guess it's coach by coach.
Speaker 11 (46:06):
But I'm such a big I'm such a big fan
of preparing, and you know we've talked about it earlier.
Speaker 10 (46:13):
With the off season programs.
Speaker 11 (46:15):
I get a little concern when you have a nine
week off season program and you're not doing a lot
of physical training together, and you're doing some real light
spring practices, and then you get into training camp and
you have ramp up periods, you don't have a lot
of padded practices, and you don't play anybody in the preseason,
and then all of a sudden in week one, you say, okay,
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here we go. And you know, the mentality of the
players is such that they're elite competitors, and I just
wonder if they're truly ready to compete at the level
that they're going to try to in that first week,
in the first few weeks, if you have if you
hadn't hardened them enough and they haven't calloused enough with
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their training and with them getting ready to play pro football,
so we always believed in a ramp up period, we
typically play our starters six eight, ten plays in the
first preseason game.
Speaker 10 (47:10):
Some guys if they had an injury or something, you
keep them out of it.
Speaker 11 (47:13):
But the next preseason game, there's a progression. You played
twelve to fifteen plays, and by the time you get
to that week one, it's not a completely new experience.
You've blocked people, you've tackled people, and you're ready to go.
And like I said, you're hardened a little bit, your
calloused a little bit, and I think that gives you
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a little more confidence too as you move around there
and compete and play.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Topic of conversation yesterday on sports Radio Nick Saban maybe
going back into coaching and coaching in the NFL. So
just speculation here, your thoughts on that possibility of going
back into coaching and going into the NFL.
Speaker 10 (47:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (47:57):
I don't know if you know this, dam but my
first coaching job was with coach Saban. I was a
quarterback coach in Miami. So I just retired from playing
with the Dolphins, and two weeks later he gets hired
and I was his quarterback coach. So I was with
him in that NFL experience, and it was an amazing
experience for me. I learned so much from him and
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I'm eternally grateful for that.
Speaker 10 (48:22):
You know, in the middle of it, I think he
realized that in.
Speaker 11 (48:24):
The NFL you get one first round pick a year,
and if you go to a place like Alabama, you
can get ten. And if you get ten one year
and you win a national championship, you're gonna get twelve
the next year.
Speaker 10 (48:38):
And so.
Speaker 11 (48:40):
He believes strongly in being relentless and recruiting and building
you know, teams, and knowing that at the college level
it can perpetuate itself, where in the NFL, if you
have success, it goes the other way. You pick later,
you have to pay guys more, all that kind of stuff.
So I would think I would bet against that. If
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you're asking me, I say, coach Saban does not do that.
I think he would do well. I believed he was
going to do well in Miami before he took the
Alabama job. But you know, miss Terry is a very
influential person.
Speaker 10 (49:17):
In his life at this point.
Speaker 11 (49:19):
So like he always says, I'm just going to go
up to the lake, He's probably enjoying his time at
ESPN and enjoying some time at the lake.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Okay, but were you there when they bring in Dante
Culpepper and you bring in Drew Brees and the Dolphins
decided to go with Culpepper and Breeze.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
I guess physically wasn't he was a question mark? Is
that accurate?
Speaker 8 (49:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (49:46):
I was the quarterback coach at that time.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Did you make the decision that you said, let's go
Culpeper over Breeze.
Speaker 11 (49:54):
Now it's an amazing experience on so many different levels.
I could write a book about this. You know, Drew
Brees is is something else. And you know, he was
an amazing college player, as we all know, and initially
in San Diego had his struggles, but he started to
emerge as the guy. And I think we saw that
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and we're excited about it. But you know, we were
all in on Breeze. And then ultimately there was a
medical decision that said he's got a seventy five percent
terre of his rotator cuff and he wants eight million
dollars guaranteed, and we're not doing it. So it kind
of became out of our hands. But he was so
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much fun to visit with. I'll never forget we picked
him up, We went, we took a plane to New Orleans.
We picked him up, brought him to Miami and just
had a hell of a time with him. And you know,
it was one of those things where you have to
respect the injury, but if you were betting on a
guy to be able to overcome an injury, he's the
guy that could do it. And obviously he was able
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to do what. He only threw for eighty thousand yards
after the surgery, so.
Speaker 10 (51:06):
He was something else. And there was a good story
about that.
Speaker 11 (51:09):
You know, we went to dinner with him and and
Wayne Heizanga was the owner of the team, and I'll
never forget it. Uh. You know, Wayne sat next to
him and his wife at dinner and and I remember
never forget him saying to me afterwards, you know, I'm
out of the football evaluation business, but I'll tell you what,
I'm betting on this guy.
Speaker 10 (51:29):
He's something else.
Speaker 11 (51:30):
And so for him to make that evaluation just based
on visiting with Drew Brees, uh, tells you a lot
about both those guys. And then we were there ultimately
when we signed Dante, and Dante was an amazing player,
but his movement was such a big part of his game.
And uh and and after he had the knee injury,
he really couldn't move and it was harder for him
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to play the way he was capable of playing before.
Speaker 10 (51:55):
So obviously that didn't work out real well for any
of us.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Great to catch up with you. Thanks for joining us.
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 10 (52:04):
Yeah, I always enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Thank you. That's Jason Garrett.
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Oh, by the way, whose birthday is it today?
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Birthday?
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If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app,
and we say good morning to our radio affiliates around
the country. Show, Hey Otani did it again last night.
So that's five consecutive games. And I asked Pauli, I said,
I'm curious the percentage of home runs to hits that
he has, Like how many how often does he hit
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a home run? And how many of you know, percentage
wise of the hits he's had, so O'tani has one
hundred six hits, are one hundred and eight hits and
thirty seven home runs, So thirty four percent of all
of his hits our home runs. Now, I thought Kyle
Schwarber would lead baseball in that category. He's just a
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little bit above. Show Hey Otani, thirty six percent of
Kyle Schwarber's hits our home runs. He has ninety four hits,
he has thirty four home runs. The big dumper, the
big Dumper is number one. He has over forty one
percent of his hits our home runs, ninety four hits,
thirty nine home runs. Eugenio Suarez of the Diamondbacks almost
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thirty nine percent of his hits. Aaron Judge is also
in there as well, twenty almost twenty nine percent of
his hits are home runs. So feast or famine for
a few of these guys. And early in the season,
well it was early in the season Otani was batting
three fifty Aaron Judge Aaron Jue, which is batting average
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is still pretty good. But I think Otani's down around
two seventy to seventy five, whereas Aaron Judge is still
over three hundred. But I do like what the Dodgers
are doing with Otani, and that is you can ease
him back in. If he was just a pitcher, the
strategy would be different. But what they're doing is pitch
a couple of innings. Maybe they have a pitch count,
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but this is all about the postseason. Get to the
postseason and then how are you going to use him?
Are you going to use him maybe certain situations as
a closer, Are you going to use him as a starter,
It's tricky when you're going to try to plan to
put him in a game as a closer, because you
know where's he going to warm up, how's he going
to warm up? What if he doesn't get in the game.
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You know, relievers, closers will tell you they get up
and down. You know that they're loosening up many many times.
You know, a closer could get up fifty times and
not get into the game during a regular season. So
you can't have that for Otani. That's why I think
in some baseball guys have said, hey, it'd be great
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to bring him in as a closer. It just doesn't
line up that way because he's going to be, you know,
probably in the field, unless you know he's a DH,
and then you can say, all right, go out and
warm up while you're a DH, then it would work
that way. But I like what he's doing. I like
what they're doing, and that is this is all about
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the postseason. But he has six He has six hits
in his last five games, and five of the six
hits are home runs.
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He doesn't do much else, doesn't need to just hitting
home runs, all right? Pull question today, Seaton, What are
we going to go with?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Just sing? Shout out to j Lo and Rose byrn
also share a birthday with them?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Oh great? Rose Burn? Okay, all right?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Barry Bonds not same month, same day, same.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Year, but okay, kind of lumped in there together. Better
career Bonds, j Loo or Rose.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Oh Man, that old question.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Would you rather have Jlo's career or Barry Bond's career?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Ah?
Speaker 7 (05:36):
J Loo's is not tainted by anything. She's successful, dancer, singer, actress, okay, right,
and she's multi talented with the whole acting, sing and
everything else.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Barry Bonds just hits cheating hold on sing.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Very successful singer.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
I feel like Jaylo's got some diddy stuff she needs
to take care of. But I mean, other than that,
it's not really all that tainted.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And other people singing her songs by the way, but.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Very successful though.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Seaton, who would you take Barry Bond's career?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Jal you know what I'm taking my career. I'm going
off the boarder board. Well, it is your birthday, go
off the board, Marvin j Lo or Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Okay, Paulie, I think this is clear, no pun intended.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
That you're gonna cream the competition.
Speaker 8 (06:34):
J Loo?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Why is she going wired to?
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Why she got like a forty year media career.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, she's an entertainer. You see her out and abound.
You don't see much of Bonds anymore unless it's a
Giants game or spring training.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So no one else is doing this, Paul. Questions are no, No,
they're not. They're not.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
If they are, then they're they're sampling from our show.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Yes, Ston, you get to act, you get to sing,
you can dance.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, I got to maintain that.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Though I look good and closed.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
What's right?
Speaker 5 (07:05):
What's wrong with all those things?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah? Yeah, yes, Marvin. But does j Loo have a statue?
She is a statue statue?
Speaker 8 (07:14):
Asked?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay. Meanwhile, so with any question today.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Here's one from all your policy on rookie quarterbacks, start
them or sit them?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Okay, So Will Levis is going to be out this
entire season with Carolina or no, Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Same thing.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
But he's gonna have shoulder surgery, and that means cam
Ward has to start, or at least he's projected to start.
So if you're in the camp of I don't want
my rookie quarterbacks to start, well, tough luck. Given what
Tennessee has, I think they have. Wasn't it Aaron Rodgers,
good buddy Tim Boyle?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Oh? Who was? He was on the Jets roster.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yes, I don't know if he can play, but he's
a backup quarterback, and I think they have in the
the kid out of Texas A and m Allen last names?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (08:16):
Is he from Arkansas?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Kyle h Brandow, Kyle Allen, Brandon Allen markets He could
have been at both?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Okay, yeah, not quite sure.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
Yes, So I guess the question here is the past
five years the Tennessee Titans have not done well with
the quarterback position. You know, Malik Willis did not work out.
No offense doesn't appear that will Levis is working out.
You draft cam Ward, who you know, played at a
bunch of schools, got a lot of reps in college.
But now you have to start him week one or
it feels like you have to start a week one.
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Is that what you want to do if you're a
below average franchise with a developmental quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I don't like it. I would like for him to
just watch the game from the sidelines, understand how this
starter prepares for a game, all of those things. It's
just different than college. The speed is different, terminology is different,
the athletes are different. I think, observe a game or
two or three, you're not going to win your division,
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and now he does. He's got Tyler Lockett and he's
got Calvin Ridley, so he's got some guys that he
can throw the ball to. But I would like to
ease him in on a bad team. You know, the
NFL is littered with quarterbacks who played for bad teams
and picked up bad habits. You know, I thought Tim
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Couch went to the Cleveland Browns, and I thought, you know,
at the time, that was maybe a prototypical NFL quarterback
and he didn't have a successful career. If he went
to another team, maybe an established coach or offense or
some other players, then maybe, But I just think I
go back, you know, when you're seeing quarterbacks and they
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go to a bad team, you're going to a bad
team for a reas they don't have a good quarterback,
and now you're asked to be a savior.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Yeah, Pauline, you mentioned something yesterday that it often doesn't
work out one of those quarterbacks who has like fifteen
career starts and then gets the reins of a team.
Cam Ward had thirty eight starts in his college career,
thirteen in Miami and then another, you know, twenty five
at Washington State. That's pretty good. But if you go
back to Jayden Daniels, Jayden Daniels played five years of
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college football. He had fifty five major college starts before
joining the Commanders, that's invaluable.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well, scouncel will tell you the sample size they like
is around twenty five to thirty starts. Then they get
a better sense of, you know, what you do, what
you don't do, what you can improve upon, sort of
what you're going to be saddled with. If this is
who you are, you know, maybe there's some things you
can improve upon. But they like to have a little
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bit larger sample size. And I think that's why, you know,
when we look back on Trey Lance, what did he
have twelve starts?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
In his career. It just you got to have more
seasoning than that.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And we've seen a couple of these quarterbacks who have
flamed out when they've only been really good. You know,
Zach Wilson. Okay, maybe there's still a chance, but he
didn't start that many games either.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Yeah, Paulie, And this is kind of the end of
that COVID Bonus year era where quarterbacks are gonna have
fifty plus college starts bo Nicks. I don't think a
lot of people thought he'd be this he would be
this good as a rookie. But Bonnick started sixty one
games in college, you know, three years in the SEC,
two years at Oregon, sixty one college games.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
He was ready to go.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
He's like twenty five years old.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
And I like that he was with two big time programs.
He was playing in big games. You're playing in the
SEC and you're playing in the PAC twelve, and then
you go to the quarterback whisper. By the way, bo
Nick spent four or five days or five or six
days with Drew Brees this summer. So Sean Payton put
those two together, and I think his development was one
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of the more surprising things that we saw last year
because I don't know if people now Sean wanted bow Knicks,
and I think that there were scouts who liked bow
Knicks better than the other quarterbacks. But you know, Sean
Payton got who he wanted, and I think for a
team that we thought was on the rise, made the
playoffs last year. I don't know if we give enough
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credit to bow Knicks, usually what happens, it'll be like
Sean Payton did it again. Well, he can tell you
what to do, you still have to go do it.
And I think bo Nicks surprised a lot of people
with what he did.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
Yeah, pulling and bo Knicks was not a hot property
coming out of the draft. He didn't talk about him
as a top five guy. His last year of college
at Oregon in twenty twenty three, forty five hundred yards,
seventy eight percent passer, forty five touchdowns and only three picks.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah he's yeah, that's big time, all righty any other
poll questions Seaton, Yes, you.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Know, I think Cam wore too. He's got a couple
of dudes that throw to I think they upgraded the
offense to the line a little bit. He's stepping into
maybe not the worst situation to start out early, right, maybe.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Uh yeah, I mean it might be a Bryce Young
situation where if all goes well, I mean, there's still
probably going to be one of the worst teams. So
maybe you get five wins, six wins, something like that.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
But that he he gets the benefit of no expectations
now maybe because he he wasn't the number one starter
going right in. He was supposed to sit behind somebody
who uh you know, has to have surgery. So now
he's getting bumped up. He gets he gets a little
bit of like a a six week Hall pass there, right, but.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
He's still the number one pick in the draft, so
the ex there are expectations there. Like Caleb Williams, there
are expectations like, uh, you know when Jade Daniels didn't
have the expectations.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I mean, see second, Caleb Williams had the expectations even
way before he was drafted. He's been born for this moment.
He had these expectations when he was in seventh grade.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
Paul, I think one of the worst situations is obvious
when Bryschong came to Carolina and they traded DJ Moore.
So he goes in with a bad line, no skill
position players, and it's almost like Bryschong gets a little
bit of a hall pass for that rookie year. And
Bryschong the last seven eight games last year was pretty good.
His stats last year don't impress anybody, but if you
look at the back half of the season, Bryschong is
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is kind of on that recovery tract.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Well, they had the Kansas City Chiefs on the ropes,
and you know, we normally weren't tuning in to watch
the Panthers, but that was a game that nationally we
watched and they almost pulled off the upset.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
All right.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
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We talked a little bit about Nick Saban and the
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suggestion that maybe he could come back to the NFL
and be specific, come back to the Browns and try
to pair him with Arch Manning. Seems like a lot
connecting the dots there for all of that to happen.
But let's just talk about the likelihood that Saban would
come back, but he would coach in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
I think it's unlikely. I mean it's possible.
Speaker 9 (16:58):
I guess Dan if it's the perfect situation, But I
think he retired for a reason. It certainly seems like
he's loving being on ESPN and college game Day. He
looks like he's having the time of his life, and
I don't blame him. It's kind of a great way
to segue after your coaching career. You know, maybe if
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there was a perfect NFL situation, he would come and
try to show that he can succeed at that level.
I know I've always kind of thought, there's always this talk.
Saban's the goat, Belichick's the goat. Obviously one did it
in college, one did in the NFL. You know, maybe
that's why they're switching sides here in their seventies, right.
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Maybe Belichick wants to prove he can win in college,
and then maybe Saban wants a second chance in the
NFL so that they can settle once and for all,
who's only the better football.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Coach, well more likely to coach in the NFL, Belichick
or Saban.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
Ooh, that is a good one.
Speaker 9 (18:04):
I think I'm still gonna say Belichick because it's very
clear and obvious that he still wants to do that.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
Right.
Speaker 9 (18:11):
I don't think anybody out there believes that Belichick would
have taken the North Carolina job if he had any
NFL opportunity. I don't really care what he says publicly
or privately. I believe that he wants to be an
NFL head coach. I think he wants to break Don
Schull's record. I think we all know he wants to
break Don Schull's record and perhaps going North Carolina for
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a year coaching there. Maybe he can do enough there
to generate interest to get another NFL opportunity. But in
my mind, Dan, we know for a fact Belichick wants
to be a head coach in the NFL. We don't
even know if Saban wants to coach again period, So
I'll go Belichick all day on that one.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm trying to understand the logic with NFL owners. By
the way, I saw the revenue split, So the team
split over thirteen billion dollars and the Packers have to
reveal their reb share. It was four hundred and thirty
two million dollars that these teams got. Yeah, so Jerry
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Jones with his situation now he has a salary cap
to deal with, so it's not like he's the Dodgers
and he can pay whatever he wants. But help me
understand the logic behind what's going on with Michael Parsons
and his contract.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
You know, the first thing I would say, Dan, that's
interesting since you reference the Packers, they have that mandatory
retirement age for their team president of seventy you know.
On Mark Murphy, I think this is his last week
or whatever he's been the team president. I always think
about that when on the same day Mike Brown at
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age eighty nine and Jerry Jones at age eighty two
are making comments that don't really help them them or
their franchise. You know, I guess I think of it
this way, Dan, My grandpa is one of my favorite
people in the world that I ever had in my life.
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I wouldn't have wanted him speaking publicly after age eighty.
And I don't know if you know some of these guys,
I don't know if Jerry Jones is just maybe they're
just at the age where they just don't care, you know,
like they're in their eighties. But Jerry Jones is out
here saying, well, yeah, you want us to do these
contracts early. We did tray Von Diggs and Terrence Teele
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and you saw how that went.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
And then he says, hey, we made.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Back the highest paid guy he missed two thirds of
the season.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
We could sign Micah but he missed.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
For I mean, Jerry Jones just doesn't care at all,
and he's just putting it out there. I've I've come
to the conclusion this, Dan, I think there's two reasons
because I have racked my brain to try to understand
the logic of why the Cowboys operate the way they
do contracts you with their star players. I think there's
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two things. One is risk slash liability. Right, as soon
as you give that guy the huge deal, then the
injury risk and the off field risk really falls on
the team more than the player. And I think Jerry
Jones is on some level willing to pay to just
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put that risk on the player as long as possible.
What if Michael Parsons gets hurt on the field or
off the field, what if he gets in trouble? Right,
the only other rookie other than Stewart that hasn't signed
a contract yet is Brown's running back Quinn Shawn Judkins.
Because of that domestic battery arrest down in Florida.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
You know that maybe they're waiting till the last possible second.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
The other thing is, and we know this, Jerry realized
a few years ago that nothing generates attention during training
camp like a star player holdout. It's the top of
every website every day. The latest thing that Jerry said
about Micah's contractor that Micah Parsons said.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
To the media.
Speaker 9 (22:12):
You know, if you tried to calculate the free publicity,
the free pr that the Cowboys get every day that
Mike is not signed, it probably helps to make up
for what they're going to have to pay them, which
is more. The problem is, and Cowboys fans know this.
Waiting this long makes you pay more, eats up more
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of the salary cap. It's not good for the team.
It's not good for the football product on the field,
even if maybe it's beneficial for the business off the field.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And then you got the Bengals situation. By the way,
those are all fair points that you made.
Speaker 8 (22:50):
There.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
The Bengals situation, you have an owner who inherited a
football team and he is now saying that Trey Hendrickson
should and be so emotional when it comes to his contract.
And then he gets emotional talking about the first round
pick Shamar Stewart who's not in camp, and that you
know this, I forget.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
What the word was, a foolishness.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
So he's getting animated while complaining about Trey Hendrickson getting animated.
And then the Shamar Stewart logic here of hey, they
want to put language in there that if I violate
the Code of Conduct policy, then they're not going to
pay me. And then Mike Brown says, we don't want
to pay somebody who's going to be in jail. So
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if I'm Shamar Stewart, don't I have enough confidence in
myself that I won't end up in jail. Therefore I
don't need that language there. Get paid, get in camp,
stay out of jail. That's not asking too much, is it.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
You know, there's a lot of good stuff there.
Speaker 9 (23:53):
Dan, Let's start with Mike Brown and what he said
about emotional because that reminds me of when one of
the times when I got cut during my career, someone
was saying, like, it's not personal, you know, this is
just part of the business, and I said, it's not personal.
Speaker 8 (24:09):
You kind of just fired.
Speaker 9 (24:10):
Me, like, like, this is my life, this is my dream.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
I've been doing this since I was five. You kind
of just fired me.
Speaker 9 (24:19):
It's gonna be in the cover paper of my hometown newspaper,
Like there's nothing more personal than this.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
Like this is like it's as personal as it gets.
So I always laugh at that part of it.
Speaker 9 (24:32):
I'll say two things on the Bengals because these are
two separate issues, right The Trey Hendrickson thing. You know, Dan,
he signed a band aid extension two years ago where
he tacked on that extra year, right, He otherwise would
have been a free agent this year. And I think
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he and his representatives should have realized it's the Bengals
right like, they're gonna do what they can contractually and
hold your feet to the fire. He shouldn't have done
that band aid a couple of years ago if he
didn't want to. And I have no idea why any
of these guys hold out anymore. He's costing himself fifty
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thousand dollars a day, and the Bengals are not the
type of organization that's gonna make up for that with
the contract that they give you. You know, there's other
guys out that Micah Parsons isn't practicing right now.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
He says his back is tight or whatever. Right.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
We've seen guys hold in in recent years, Brandon Aiyuk,
Jamar Chase last year. Remember the first few days last
year as training camp, Tatungo Baia Looa and Jordan Love
were both holdens. So why guys like Hendrick sin or
McLaurin just throw away fifty k per day?
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Is beyond me. I don't understand the logic there. Report.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
You're actually more of a distraction if you're there and
you're talking to media every day and you say your
hamstring hurts or your back hurts or whatever. The Stewart thing,
which I think the Bengals don't realize, is he's gonna
sign a four year, fully guaranteed contract. He's not eligible
for a new deal regardless until after his third year.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Right so whatever.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
He's missing right now, he missed the offseason, he's missing
training camp. The Bengals have Joe Burrow and these two
star receivers in their prime.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
In my opinion, Dan, it's.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
Actually more critical or there should be a greater sense
of urgency for the Bengals to get Shamar Stewart in
and get him ready to contribute this year after their
defense was horrendous last year. That it is for Shamar Stewart.
I mean, the reality is he could do nothing the
next two years. But if his third year he balls out, well,
(26:54):
then he's gonna get a new contract. So the onus
to me to get Stuart in is on the Bengals.
If this contract language is that important to them, then
bump up his signing bonus. They like to give him
half now and half in six months. Throw them a bone.
Here's half now, we'll give the other half in a month.
Sign this thing that says, if you go to jail,
(27:15):
we don't have to pay you.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I don't know if you saw the news. Justin Fields
was carted off practice with the Jets today. And I
don't know the severity of this. I'm waiting for Chefty
to have an update on this, but kirk Cousins is
going to be in play at some point to some team.
It feels like now. Once again, I don't know the
injury in the severity of that, but it just feels
(27:41):
like kirk Cousins is in the on deck circle for now.
I don't know if the Jets say we're willing to
bring in somebody like that with the amount of money
that they're probably going to have to pay, it's probably
going to have to be a team that, you know,
they're going to be a playoff team if they lose
you know, a starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
But I'm not.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Sure if the Jets would have kirk Cousins in play,
or the number of teams that would be considering kirk
Cousins what do you think.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
Well, yeah, it's a great point, Dan, and I'll you know,
no matter how severe the injury is to fields, I'll
actually give the Atlanta Falcons some credit for hanging on
to Cousins and not kind of selling low during the
offseason because an injury like this, you know, the the
(28:30):
Jets are if he's out for the year, the Jets
are not going to go into the season with the
other guys they have on the roster right now as
their starter. Right They're not going to have that be
the case. So that makes Kirk Cousins very much in
play because remember this, right Aaron Glenn, new head coach, Mouji,
(28:50):
the new GM they're trying to establish their culture. It's
a new regime, and I think they want to get
off to a good start in terms of having a
solid season and winning, and Cousins would give them that opportunity.
The flip side, which is fascinating, okay, is that it's supposed.
Speaker 8 (29:12):
To be a really good draft for quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
We know all the guys Arch Manning and nuss Meyer
and Drew Aller and all the names that are out there.
You know, maybe there's a case to be made where
the Jets say, oh, it's tough luck with fields, and
you know there's nobody else really out there. We got
to go with these guys. And then maybe the Jets
get the number one pick in the draft and they
(29:37):
have their pick of what's supposed to be a really
good draft class. There's really two ways they could go.
They could go the Cousins or maybe try to sign
Ryan Tannehill. But I think we all forgot just didn't
play football last year. Maybe they go that route to
try to still be competitive this year, or maybe they
use this as an excuse to throw their hands up
(29:57):
and play a little moneyball.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
If you will get the number one overall pick.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Why is it?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Next year's draft is always the best draft for quarterback,
right because till next year?
Speaker 9 (30:11):
You know why, because we haven't picked these guys apart yet, right, Like, yeah,
you only pick the guys.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Apart that are in that year's class. Then it's when
it's the next year.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
You think, oh, man, I saw Aler do this against Oregon,
I saw him do this, I saw nus Meyer do this.
But then when you just are like when they're the
guy the next year and we all watch them every
week and really critique them. Then you start to find
the flaws and the warts. But we're not at that
stage yet that that'll happen. About midway through this year,
(30:42):
there will start to be some reports.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
You know, he's really not as good as we thought
he was. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
A friend of mine who's a scout, he always laughs,
you know when I do, you know, have a draft
analysts on and because he knows that once they get
their hands on, somebody likes that's the real stuff. The
other stuff is just sort of, hey, I think this
guy's got, you know, a great high upside. You know,
(31:10):
he does this and that, and the scouts go in
there and go, okay, guys, you guys done, Now, let
us go to work. And then all of a sudden
we go, you know, such and such as slipping. Well,
maybe he was put up too high to begin with,
because the scouts wouldn't have put him up there, or
somebody's rising, just like that happened with Mahomes. When my
(31:31):
friend said, after we sat down with him, then all
of a sudden, we realized that if we're going to
go get him, we're going to have to trade up
to get this guy. And he said, you know, they
didn't get the Mahomes in Kansas City. But he said,
you know, that's when you realize, like, oh my gosh.
It's like when Jerry West worked out Kobe and he said, no, no,
(31:53):
we're gonna shut it down. Wait, he's only been working
out fifteen minutes. We've seen enough. We don't want anybody
to realize just how good this kid is.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
You know, Dan, it happened this offseason.
Speaker 9 (32:06):
That's exactly what happened with Shador Sanders and Tyler Shuck.
I mean, in November, Shador Sanders was going to be
the number one or number two pick, and nobody even knew.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Who Tyler Shuck was.
Speaker 9 (32:18):
He's the kid that gets injured all the time that
used to be at Oregon. But then when the scouts
got in there and really watched the tape, and then
when they met with them, Shuck went like this and
Shador went like this.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
And hand signals are not great for radio.
Speaker 9 (32:33):
So I will tell everybody that Shuck shot up and
Shador Sanders went down.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Great to catch up with you, we'll talk soon. Thank you.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
Oh he sounds great. Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's Ross Tucker, the Ross Tucker Football Podcast, and he
calls games for CBS.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
In Westwood One.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be
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America Analyst, former Cowboys coach and Notre Dame football analyst
(33:20):
back on the program. How often would players show up
not in shape when you were the head coach of
the Cowboys?
Speaker 10 (33:28):
Not very often.
Speaker 11 (33:31):
You know, the off season program changed a lot through
the years. If you think about twenty eleven, they started
short in the off season programs. You know, relative to
the days of Jimmy Johnson back in the nineties. You know,
we were in that building on March first, and and
you're able to lay a great foundation for the off season.
(33:52):
You know, we ran and lifted and did all that
for two months before we even thought about touching a football.
Speaker 10 (33:58):
And those days are long gone.
Speaker 11 (34:03):
And I do think in a lot of ways we
miss those days because the foundation that you lay for
yourself physically to get ready for sixteen seventeen game NFL
season is critical, and I think that's changed a little bit.
But I do think guys take care of themselves. I
do think guys know what's at stake. What I get
(34:24):
a little concerned about is they're not necessarily working out
long enough together in the off season in a competitive
environment with other NFL players. So the degree to which
they're in shape is a little bit of a concern
to me, and I think it's not quite as good
as it used to be because of the structure of
the off season.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Were you with the Cowboys when Jimmy was talking about
if a player falls asleep in a meeting that it'll
cut him and I'm paraphrasing, and then somebody said, well,
what happens if Troy Aikman falls asleep, He goes, well,
I'd go over there wake him up so he wouldn't
be So he had different rules for different people.
Speaker 10 (35:07):
Well, that was the real thing.
Speaker 11 (35:08):
John Roper was a linebacker we had with the team,
and we signed him during the season and he fell
asleep in a meeting and Jimmy cuttam And you know,
but prior to that, he'd talked to the team.
Speaker 10 (35:20):
I'll never forget it.
Speaker 11 (35:22):
He stood in front of the team and a team
meeting and said, hey, guys, you guys don't understand everyone's
on a spectrum here. I don't treat everybody the same.
I don't treat everybody equally. You know, guys who have
been here for a long time and have skins on
the wall and have helped us win championships, they get
treated differently than a guy who just showed up. Troy
Acoman gets treated differently than a third string, you know,
(35:43):
guard who's trying to hang on by a string.
Speaker 10 (35:45):
He hasn't done anything yet. And to me, it's the.
Speaker 11 (35:49):
First time I've ever heard a coach ever say something
like that. But it's true, and it's honest. And certainly,
you want to be consistent. You want to have a
standard that you hold everybody too. But someone who has
some history with you and has some pelts on the wall,
I definitely think you'd treat them a little bit differently.
And Jimmy was honest with us, and I think everybody
(36:09):
understood it.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
And were you there when he came up? The value
came up with the value system of draft picks, and
when you were acquiring picks or trading picks like the
number numerical value to those picks.
Speaker 8 (36:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (36:27):
I got there in ninety two, the first Super Bowl year,
and Jimmy had been there. I guess that was his
fourth year, so he showed up in eighty nine. And
that happened prior to me being there. And I think
it was Jimmy and a guy named Mike McCoy who
was one of Jerry Jones's business partners in the oil
and gas business for years, and they're the ones who came.
Speaker 10 (36:48):
Up with it together.
Speaker 11 (36:49):
And it's amazing how that became the language and the
currency of draft rooms across the NFL for so long.
And you know, Jimmy was a really really smart guy.
You know, I never work with him as a coach.
He was he was. I was a player, he was
a coach, so I wasn't priving a lot of the
behind the scenes stuff that goes on. But everyone talks,
(37:12):
you know, Marvel's at how smart he was to be
able to come up with something like that and be
able to translate the evaluation of a player and the
draft into those terms.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Talking to Jason Garrett Football Night in America, former Cowboys
head coach, help me understand what Jerry Jones. The message
that he's sending to Micah Parsons.
Speaker 11 (37:35):
Well, you know, for me in this day and age,
independent of the Cowboys, you know, the salary cap is
going up, and when you have players on your team
that you believe are cornerstone players, you know, my philosophy,
my thought was always let's sign these guys. Now the
price is only getting higher. You know a few years
(37:57):
ago when Kansas City signed Patrick Mahomes so that whatever
it was, a five hundred million dollar contract, Everybody's like,
oh my god, that's ridiculous. You know, it's a bargain.
It's a bargain. Now, they were ahead of it. They
took a preemptive strike and it seemed aggressive at the time,
but you know, they're getting that guy for what I
would consider below market value. And you know, Jerry has
(38:21):
had a philosophy that he likes to wait on these things,
and unfortunately, when you wait, you know, the price goes up.
Miles Garrett signs, then TJ. Watt signs, and all of
a sudden, Michael Parson says.
Speaker 10 (38:34):
Hey, I should be making that.
Speaker 11 (38:36):
Because my stats are this relative to them and all
of that. So it's just something. It's an approach that
he's taken for years. I was always an advocate of
being ahead of it and making the preemptive strikes, assuming
assuming that you believe in the player, assuming that you
think he is a cornerstone player for you. He represents
everything you want in the organization, and he's extremely productive.
(39:00):
So I gotta believe they want Michael Parsons to be
with them for a long time, and I would think
that it's better to try to get it done sooner
rather than later. Okay, but Dan Olovsky, Ross Tucker, in fact,
Ross Tucker last Hour, feel like Jerry loves the publicity
that he gets with this, that you know this is
(39:23):
this is free advertising for the Cowboys, that Sports Center
is leading with Michael Parsons. That you know he loves that,
and you can almost become addicted to that. I don't
know what role you think that plays in his negotiation game.
Speaker 10 (39:41):
Well, he's a master marketer.
Speaker 11 (39:42):
I think we all know that, and his impact on
the popularity of the NFL cannot be overstated.
Speaker 10 (39:51):
You and I both know his impact on.
Speaker 11 (39:54):
TV deals in the nineties, his impact on marketing stadiums,
and that's made a lot of owners, a lot of
coaches a lot of players a hell of a lot
of money for a lot of years, so.
Speaker 10 (40:05):
He certainly gets that part of it.
Speaker 11 (40:08):
I don't think that's the driving motivation, because if it
wasn't Michael Parsons, it would be something else with the Cowboys, right,
ESPN always leads with the Cowboys, you know, whatever the
situation is. So I don't think that's a driving force
necessarily for him. Maybe it's a byproduct of the approach
he's taken, but he typically likes to wait on these things.
Speaker 10 (40:32):
He typically likes.
Speaker 11 (40:33):
The player to come to the owner and sit down
and talk and say, Okay, how do you want to
do this. He doesn't like to talk to agents necessarily
about contracts. He likes to get to the point where
Zach Martin or Tyron Smith or Zeke Elliott or Des
Bryant they sit down together and they figure it out.
(40:56):
And that's not to say that the player goes in
there uneducated, but Jerry just likes to have that individual
relationship with the guy, and he's done that forever. He
did it with Dion Sanders and Troy Aikman and Michael
Lervin and all the guys back in the nineties, So
just an approach that he takes. My concern is the
more you wait, the more you pay.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
But he knows that though Jason, he's a brilliant businessman. Yeah,
and we all say the same thing, it's gonna cost
you more. He waited for Dak and you know that
was the first Sunday of the NFL season. Got that
deal done, So he knows. He's repeated this, he does this.
That's what I just don't understand the logic of I'm
(41:40):
gonna pay more money. Okay, he's gonna he's gonna sign
Michael Parsons. Right, he's gonna be the highest paid non
quarterback in the NFL, NFL history, it's gonna happen. He
was gonna sign Dak Prescott, he was gonna sign c
d Lamb.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
He.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I mean, I don't understand the logic here a guy,
you know, who's a billionaire.
Speaker 10 (42:04):
Yeah. Maybe he thinks he's going to get a better
deal the more he.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Goes, but he doesn't get a better deal.
Speaker 11 (42:10):
Yeah, and and and maybe he wants to see more evidence.
You know, I'm just throwing those things out there, but
I think you and I both know that it's probably
better to get these guys signed earlier than later.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Give me the team that you're curious about this season,
either good or bad.
Speaker 11 (42:31):
I'm curious about Washington. I just think they did a
remarkable job last year. If you think about where that
organization had been for so long, and it started at
the top, It started with their owner, Daniel Snyder. There
were a lot of really good coaches who went through
through there, a lot of really good players who went
through there, and there were just so many obstacles to
(42:53):
their having ultimate success. So Josh Harris comes in there
and cleans the slate, and then he brings Dan Quinn in,
which I thought was a tremendous decision. A guy who
can truly build a culture and get and get a
group of players and coaches and an organization working together
the right way.
Speaker 10 (43:11):
Then obviously they get Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 11 (43:13):
So you know, the leadership in that organization from top,
from the ownership to the head coach to the quarterback,
I think is really really good. But it's hard to
do what they did, and so you know, everyone always says, hey,
you regress to the mean.
Speaker 10 (43:30):
I don't know if you do. I don't know if
you don't. But but I like what they're doing there.
Speaker 11 (43:36):
Philadelphia obviously is the best team in that division, of
the best team in the NFL going into this thing.
Speaker 10 (43:42):
But I'm just curious to see if they can maintain it.
Speaker 11 (43:45):
And I'm betting on them because I really love the
leadership and I like the team they're building.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
You know, back to doing it correctly when it comes
to contracts, men, the Eagles have been ahead of the curve.
Like they do it, you know, just like you were saying,
they do it early.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Howie Roseman does not mess around. He's like, that's our guy.
We're going to sign him. We're going to sign him.
And they got bargains with some of these guys.
Speaker 10 (44:11):
Yeah. You know, they have been masterful, they really have.
Speaker 11 (44:15):
And you know, having played them for years being in
the NFC East, you know, as a player and as
a coach, you know, they've always been tough. They've always
been a really good team. You know, Andy's teams that
he had were phenomenal year after year, and then then
certainly you know recently with a couple of Super Bowls
they've won. But you know, I think maybe more than
(44:36):
anything else, that the most significant factor and all of
that has been Howie Roseman, how they've built the teams.
You know, they're right in their evaluations a lot. You know,
whether they're drafting at the top of the draft, middle
of the draft, and of the draft, whether it's a
free agent signing, they're really really good at the evaluation
of the player. And then, like you said, they're constantly
(44:59):
a ahead of it. They're letting the one guy go,
they got the new guy coming in. They've been right
on the new guy. Think about their defense last year,
the number of young players they had. You have to
be great evaluators to be able to do that, and
they've done it time and time again, and that obviously
contributes to your ability to let guys go and be
(45:21):
healthy under the salary cap, and they've been the best
in the league at it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Do you want to play starters in the preseason if
you're a head coach, I do? I do because I
wonder about this. Yeah, it just doesn't feel like you're
to your point getting together as a team and being
able to practice. You know, Belichick would talk about Brady
talked about they kind of treated the first couple of
(45:49):
games of the regular season like that was their preseason
you know, the Bengals always get off to a slow start.
I don't know if you change your philosophy and maybe
you put added importance on the preseason games here, So
I guess it's coach by coach.
Speaker 11 (46:06):
But I'm such a big I'm such a big fan
of preparing, and you know we've talked about it earlier.
Speaker 10 (46:13):
With the off season programs.
Speaker 11 (46:15):
I get a little concern when you have a nine
week off season program and you're not doing a lot
of physical training together, and you're doing some real light
spring practices, and then you get into training camp and
you have ramp up periods, you don't have a lot
of padded practices, and you don't play anybody in the preseason,
and then all of a sudden in week one, you say, okay,
(46:36):
here we go. And you know, the mentality of the
players is such that they're elite competitors, and I just
wonder if they're truly ready to compete at the level
that they're going to try to in that first week,
in the first few weeks, if you have if you
hadn't hardened them enough and they haven't calloused enough with
(46:57):
their training and with them getting ready to play pro football,
so we always believed in a ramp up period, we
typically play our starters six eight, ten plays in the
first preseason game.
Speaker 10 (47:10):
Some guys if they had an injury or something, you
keep them out of it.
Speaker 11 (47:13):
But the next preseason game, there's a progression. You played
twelve to fifteen plays, and by the time you get
to that week one, it's not a completely new experience.
You've blocked people, you've tackled people, and you're ready to go.
And like I said, you're hardened a little bit, your
calloused a little bit, and I think that gives you
(47:34):
a little more confidence too as you move around there
and compete and play.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Topic of conversation yesterday on sports Radio Nick Saban maybe
going back into coaching and coaching in the NFL. So
just speculation here, your thoughts on that possibility of going
back into coaching and going into the NFL.
Speaker 10 (47:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (47:57):
I don't know if you know this, dam but my
first coaching job was with coach Saban. I was a
quarterback coach in Miami. So I just retired from playing
with the Dolphins, and two weeks later he gets hired
and I was his quarterback coach. So I was with
him in that NFL experience, and it was an amazing
experience for me. I learned so much from him and
(48:18):
I'm eternally grateful for that.
Speaker 10 (48:22):
You know, in the middle of it, I think he
realized that in.
Speaker 11 (48:24):
The NFL you get one first round pick a year,
and if you go to a place like Alabama, you
can get ten. And if you get ten one year
and you win a national championship, you're gonna get twelve
the next year.
Speaker 10 (48:38):
And so.
Speaker 11 (48:40):
He believes strongly in being relentless and recruiting and building
you know, teams, and knowing that at the college level
it can perpetuate itself, where in the NFL, if you
have success, it goes the other way. You pick later,
you have to pay guys more, all that kind of stuff.
So I would think I would bet against that. If
(49:02):
you're asking me, I say, coach Saban does not do that.
I think he would do well. I believed he was
going to do well in Miami before he took the
Alabama job. But you know, miss Terry is a very
influential person.
Speaker 10 (49:17):
In his life at this point.
Speaker 11 (49:19):
So like he always says, I'm just going to go
up to the lake, He's probably enjoying his time at
ESPN and enjoying some time at the lake.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Okay, but were you there when they bring in Dante
Culpepper and you bring in Drew Brees and the Dolphins
decided to go with Culpepper and Breeze.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
I guess physically wasn't he was a question mark? Is
that accurate?
Speaker 8 (49:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (49:46):
I was the quarterback coach at that time.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Did you make the decision that you said, let's go
Culpeper over Breeze.
Speaker 11 (49:54):
Now it's an amazing experience on so many different levels.
I could write a book about this. You know, Drew
Brees is is something else. And you know, he was
an amazing college player, as we all know, and initially
in San Diego had his struggles, but he started to
emerge as the guy. And I think we saw that
(50:17):
and we're excited about it. But you know, we were
all in on Breeze. And then ultimately there was a
medical decision that said he's got a seventy five percent
terre of his rotator cuff and he wants eight million
dollars guaranteed, and we're not doing it. So it kind
of became out of our hands. But he was so
(50:39):
much fun to visit with. I'll never forget we picked
him up, We went, we took a plane to New Orleans.
We picked him up, brought him to Miami and just
had a hell of a time with him. And you know,
it was one of those things where you have to
respect the injury, but if you were betting on a
guy to be able to overcome an injury, he's the
guy that could do it. And obviously he was able
(51:00):
to do what. He only threw for eighty thousand yards
after the surgery, so.
Speaker 10 (51:06):
He was something else. And there was a good story
about that.
Speaker 11 (51:09):
You know, we went to dinner with him and and
Wayne Heizanga was the owner of the team, and I'll
never forget it. Uh. You know, Wayne sat next to
him and his wife at dinner and and I remember
never forget him saying to me afterwards, you know, I'm
out of the football evaluation business, but I'll tell you what,
I'm betting on this guy.
Speaker 10 (51:29):
He's something else.
Speaker 11 (51:30):
And so for him to make that evaluation just based
on visiting with Drew Brees, uh, tells you a lot
about both those guys. And then we were there ultimately
when we signed Dante, and Dante was an amazing player,
but his movement was such a big part of his game.
And uh and and after he had the knee injury,
he really couldn't move and it was harder for him
(51:53):
to play the way he was capable of playing before.
Speaker 10 (51:55):
So obviously that didn't work out real well for any
of us.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Great to catch up with you. Thanks for joining us.
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 10 (52:04):
Yeah, I always enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Thank you. That's Jason Garrett.
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