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August 22, 2025 49 mins

Longtime Cowboys insider Ed Werder gives his first impression of Jerry Jones back in 1989, and weighs in on the Micah Parsons contract standoff. HOF QB Steve Young breaks down rookie QBs starting games, and gives his thoughts on the importance of preseason. Rock and Roll Hall of Famer John Fogerty reflects on his music career and shares details of his album releasing today. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Ed Warder work twenty six years at ESPN, Recognized by
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He's been covering the
Cowboys since nineteen eighty nine, and this season he's covering
the Boys for WFAA TV. Ed Werder, Cowboy Insider, joining
us on the program. What was your first impression of
Jerry Jones?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
My first impression of Jerry Jones was formed in nineteen
eighty nine when I first moved to Dallas Metroplex to
cover the Cowboys for the fort Worst Star Telegram. He
was definitely a huge personality. I didn't have a lot
to compare it to at the time. I've been covering
the Denver Broncos and Pat Bolin was obviously maintained a
different profile. But yeah, it was clear that, you know,

(00:49):
Jerry was somebody who could not embrace criticism, but he
could withstand it, and then he was going to be
a very prominent personality in the league for as long
as he owned the franchise.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Why do we have a Cowboy documentary? Like why now is?
And did you learn anything new? And I know you're
you're interviewed in this but why now for a Cowboy documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
I think it's kind of a legacy, you know piece
for Jerry. He's eighty two years old. They've been irrelevant
in terms of competing for championships for thirty years. I
think Jerry wanted, you know, something that sort of documented
his place in the NFL and how it all began
and what he accomplished during his career. And he wanted

(01:43):
to take credit for certain things for which he has
not yet been given credit. And I mean there's just
always there's always the soap opera.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
I mean, there's always drama around the team.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
I mean, you know, Dan, most most coaches, most general managers,
the first thing that they want to do, other than
have a healthy football team is eliminate distractions. And Jerry's
different in that he has said as recently as this
training camp, when it gets quiet, I like to stir
it up. And so for all of those reasons, the
Cowboys are very good theater. And he had an offer of,

(02:17):
you know, fifty million dollars to cooperate and do this piece.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
If fans in Dallas could vote whether they wanted Jerry
to continue as the owner, how would that go?

Speaker 3 (02:33):
I think the Jerry would win the three votes of
his family members who were involved in the organization, and
might lose all of the remaining votes. I think the
media would like to have keep Jerry around. He's he's
obviously good for what we do, always has been good
for our business. But yeah, I mean, I thought that
was one of the interesting things about this documentary and
the timing, and one of the things that struck me

(02:55):
while watching it was when Jerry came here in nineteen
eighty nine, he was vilified. He was hated, very you know,
strong dislike for him for you know, firing Tom Landry
franchise icon even though he had been losing in many people,
including his bosses within the organization, tech Stram thought the
end had come or was near for Tom Landry. Jerry's

(03:17):
the one who actually did it, you know, And here
we are thirty five years later, and a lot of
that animosity still.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Remains towards Jerry.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
And I didn't know if Cowboys fans, if football fans
in general, would watch this documentary just out of curiosity
or to have a sense of nostalgia, or they would
refuse to do so in protest over the way Jerry
runs his business.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Any chance that Michael Parson's agent is the issue here
in these negotiations.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Look, I think that first of all, it's not uncommon
for the Cowboys to be this close to their opener
and have a very prominent player unsigned. It happened last
year with Ceedee Lamb.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
It happened with.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Ezekiel Elliott, who signed the week of Jason Garrett's first
game of his final season. Happened last Dak Prescott was
about to get out on the bus to go to
the stadium. If Jerry would have waited any longer to
sign Dak Prescott would had to have Mike McCarthy call
a time out in the first quarter. But I think there,
I don't know that David Mullaghetta is to blame specifically

(04:25):
for this. He's had clients, certainly, you know, who have
forced the issue to get the terms that they think
are fair to them. And I mean Jalen Ramsey claimed
the back injury, missed three game checks and ultimately got traded,
which was his desire.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Michaeh.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Parsons might want to follow that routine to a point.
I don't think Michael Parsons wants to be traded, and
I think ultimately, Dan like both sides are complicit in
where they are today. Michael Parsons was, you know, naive
to engage Jerry Jones in contract negotiations without Mulla Getta
his representation being present.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
And Jerry was.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Wrong after thirty five years of being a general manager
to think that he could reach a binding agreement with
a superstar player while his agent was not involved.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
We're talking to ed Warder. He's been covering the Cowboys
since nineteen eighty nine working for WFAATV in Dallas. Let's
talk about the team on the field, though, because it
feels like we talk about everything else on the periphery
with the Cowboys comes down to how threatening is this
team if everybody's on the field, how good of the Cowboys?

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Generally speaking?

Speaker 3 (05:38):
When Dak Prescott has been healthy and played most or
all of the season as a starting quarterback, the Cowboys
have been in the playoffs. I think this is the
first time in Dak's ten year career as a Cowboys
starting quarterback back. They go into the season as probably
the third best team in their own division. I mean
Philadelphia and Washington played the NFC champion Ship Game last year.

(06:01):
The Cowboys went one in three against those two teams,
although they didn't have Dak Prescott. I mean, Prescott's been
the most dominant player in the division. In the regular season,
He's thirty three to eight against division opponents. But the
division is certainly stronger now than it was early in
his career, and so division championship are harder to win.
And when the defending Super Bowl champion is in your

(06:22):
division and you're opening against them in less than two
weeks and they have a first time you know, head coach,
and Brian Schottenheimer, who dany has two jobs this year
they didn't have a year ago one. He's a head coach.
He wasn't the head coach last year. He was the
offensive coordinatorybody, wasn't the play caller. Now he's a play
caller in the head coach. He's got a lot to
deal with that he hasn't had to do in his

(06:43):
previous career.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
And also more pressure on the Cowboys after what the
Commanders have done and they've got their quarterback. It's a
young team there, meant, you know, if they get Terry
McLaurin in there, we think they're going to be formidable.
The Giants it feels like it's maybe wait till next year.
Dak in his age and what he gets paid, and

(07:05):
like that surprised me. I've been very vocal that I
like Dak as a person. He's been very good to
the show. I just wouldn't sign him up for that
kind of money. I just I didn't understand that, you know,
bringing back Zeke Kelly, Like, there's certain things that Jerry
has done really well, or his his team has done
really well. But the Dak part of it, thirty two,

(07:26):
coming off an injury and you're paying him sixty million dollars.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's amazing that a year later he still has, by
five million dollars, the highest average salary in the NFL
among players at any position. That just speaks I think,
not only to his value to the Cowboys and Jerry's
fear of not having a franchise type quarterback going into

(07:51):
a season without somebody he thinks can win games on
a consistent basis. I mean, how fortunate are the Cowboys.
Dak Presco was fourth round pick, Tony Romo was an
undrafted player. They've had twenty years of high level quarterback
and without investing a first round pick, and in the
case of Dak and his salary, I mean, it's really
just leverage.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
It's what Micah Parsons is going through. Now.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
You know, Dak and his agent mastered that. I mean,
they forced the Cowboys to franchise Tag. They'd never franchise
tagged a quarterback in their history. They franchised Tag Dak
twice and ultimately Jerry feared losing him and so he
did what it took.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
How did the Eagles not end up back in this
Super Bowl?

Speaker 4 (08:37):
I think it all comes down to injuries.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
If you know, Jalen Hurts stays healthy, if they're you know,
defense with Vic Fangio, which could be the youngest in
the NFL this year, holds up. I do expect the
Eagles to be the first team to repeat his division
champions since Philadelphia did that in two thousand and four
with Andy Reid. This is a division as you know,
interestinglyf has had a new champion or twenty plus consecutive years.

(09:03):
That being said, I still think there's a big difference
between Washington and Philadelphia, all things being equal. We saw
that in the NFC Championship game when Philadelphia dominated that
game and dominated the.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Chiefs in the Super Bowl. They're a really good team.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Their front office takes a completely different approach to being
proactive and signing their best players. You would think maybe
Jerry Jones would study that and apply that to his franchise.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
He chose to do just the opposite.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
What's the craziest story you've ever been involved in or
heard about the Cowboys? You can leave out names if
you need to.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I mean, I think we saw him in the documentary,
you know, the Michael Irvin situation, being arrested.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
With drug charges.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
They're being a murder for higher plot involved in the trial,
him ultimately missing six games to start a season, and
Deion Sanders becoming, you know, Treyikman's number one receiver. So
it's hard to it's hard to say that. There's just
been so much Dan over time, and it's all played
out very publicly. So I don't know that there's something

(10:12):
that we haven't that we're not aware of that I
could share with you, even if I eliminated the names,
that would be more curious than all of the things
we've seen happen hopidly.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, I felt the same way when I watched the documentary,
But you know, I've been around you know, doing this
professionally for forty years. But somebody who was younger, Let's
say you're thirty years of age and your entire lifetime,
Dallas hasn't won anything, and then all of a sudden,
you take a trip down memory lane, you're like, damn,
we used to be good. We used to We used

(10:42):
to have stars who wore that star on their helmet.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Well, I think the thing that you know comes through
when you watch the documentary is what a great coach
Jimmy Johnson was not only in terms of identifying and
developing talent and making you know, the herschel Walker trade,
which was a unique move in the whole history of
the league by a relatively novice NFL coach at the time,

(11:07):
but he also was a master psychologist. And the players
on that team, the principal leaders of that team, unlike
those today, like they met the challenge in the postseason,
they were up for it. We haven't seen that.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
From a Cowboys team in over thirty years.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Where the Cowboys play their best in the biggest moments
against the best opponents.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Always great to talk to you, you always have something
to cover though with the Cowboys. You imagine if you
were covering Jacksonville, Arizona.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
I'm very fortunate that I took an offer from the
Fort Worth Star Telegram when I was a young reporter,
even though it wasn't really a job I wanted at
the time. I wanted to stay in Denver and work
at the Denver Post and had the opportunity to do that,
but wind up coming to Fort Worth covering the Cowboys.
Ever since, and yeah, I've always said I wouldn't have
had the career I've had if not for the fact
I was so close to covering you know, I was

(12:03):
involved in covering the Cowboys and all the curious situations
that happened with them.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm glad you are good to talk to you. Thanks again.
Thanks Sam ed Warder Cowboys insider for WFAA TV in Dallas.
It's it's not something where you show up at work
and you go, now, maybe something today. You know when
you show up at worked, something is going to happen.
That's just the way. It's been a couple of phone
calls in here, Ellen in Wisconsin. Hi, Ellen, what's on

(12:32):
your mind today?

Speaker 5 (12:33):
But I wanted to give the young man who's going
to be proposing this weekend some old lady advice.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Okay, that's Aiden in Utah is getting engaged this weekend.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
Okay, Ellen, quickly, you've got flowers, flowers and more flowers.
And now the important one is he needs to reach
out to her best friend or her sister. This buys
him two things. Number one, it buys him goodwill that
he wants to keep saying the word perfect, perfect, perfect perfect.
Number two, what it really does is it absolves him

(13:06):
of all guilt and you know, all blamed if she,
or even worse, her mother doesn't like the way it
went down. All right, you got to keep the mother
a lot quiet as long as humanly possible. So that's
all I've got. You guys, have a great weekend.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Thank you, Thank you. Ellen. I think you're making a
little more complicated than it needs to be. Now I
get her best friend and maybe her mom involved, and
then people can't keep a secret. The less the better,
make it quick. The less people know the better, Yes, Marma.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
Question for everybody in the room, did you, guys ask
your wife's dads for permission?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
No? No, Seatan I did, yeah, Todd, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
I made both parents aware of what the game plan
was going.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
To Did you ask or you just made them aware.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
I didn't formally say about asking their hand in marriage.
I think I basically said I'm going to be knowing
that they wanted me to, that I'm going to be
proposing on this day in time, and just to make
them aware.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
That baggage claim at JFK.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
I actually needed them to be following behind because I
was getting picked up by Janet the airport and I
needed the in laws to bring a bag so they
would have a clothes from Miami to not ruin the
surprise that we were heading to Miami right after proposing.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Nothing more romantic than baggage claim at JFK.

Speaker 7 (14:33):
Got that right.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I see that in movies all the time. You know,
Tom Hanks or Julia Roberts. It's probably a baggage claim. Yes,
it is something right out of a movie. Actually it
really is. Yeah. See that's where you get with the
baggage claim guy. And then you get a piece of luggage,

(14:55):
her luggage, and then you have it come off the
chuote and it says, will you marry me? Oh? I'm
writing scripts here, I am writing scripts?

Speaker 8 (15:05):
Is there really a.

Speaker 7 (15:05):
Baggage claim guy?

Speaker 9 (15:06):
These days?

Speaker 7 (15:07):
Like this, someone that's assigned to the carousel.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Five, Todd, you're a producer. Hey, I find Michael Jordan
used to pay the guy at the airport extra money,
like twenty bucks to make sure his bags came off first,
because they'd always bet whose bags would come off first.

Speaker 7 (15:24):
Well, that's just it. That's twenty bucks.

Speaker 6 (15:25):
I'd be giving him like two or three singles and
he's like, get out of here, and then they would
never have it.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yes, Paul, I don't think I heard before that.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Todd, after the proposal, whisked his wife away to Miami
on a surprise trip.

Speaker 7 (15:36):
Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
I had a red eye flight from LA to New York.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
I landed like six in the morning, and I had
a nine am schedule flight for the both of us
to assuming she was gonna say yes, to celebrate.

Speaker 7 (15:44):
For three nights at the eden Rock Hotel. I'm South
Beach Colins Avenue.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's a strong move.

Speaker 7 (15:48):
I'm gonna give him bonus points for that.

Speaker 6 (15:51):
It would have been a lot of things to cancel
up for flights and hotels and said, you know what,
I met somebody.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well, you do have a girlfriend in Miami, an ex girlfriend.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
I do. I don't know if she still lives there.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
It's been I haven't communicated with her in a while,
but yeah, that would be the lovely Lana La little
Russian girl from the hoods from Oh I know.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
And remember we were at the Clevelander, I think, and
all of a sudden, I see, I see Fritzy with
this woman, and you, you.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
Like, did very quickly said, you know, I got a
lot of there's a lot of gossiping staff members. Let's
just get out of here before he start asking questions.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
And then I see him later, I go, what was that?
He goes on just a old girlfriend. I said, well,
you made it worse by kind of sneaking.

Speaker 7 (16:36):
I didn't make it worse.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
I just said, this is a girl I used to
go out that she wanted to come see the show,
was a poster.

Speaker 7 (16:40):
Let's get out of here before now I'll find out
what stop talking.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
She was, she was good looking, she interusted me.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
She just made her friend back at the apartment. And
that's pretty much where it ended.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
And get that outr get that on record.

Speaker 7 (16:55):
There's a big difference between thought bubbles and things that
actually happened in the world.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Oh, you lead the league and I'm guilty of a major. Absolutely.
I thought you can go to jail with your thought bubbles,
all right when we come back. Best week in sports shirt?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
You got?

Speaker 6 (17:12):
How can you talk sports at three hours? Yankee's five
Guardians three get over it.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
That was at Big Deans in Santa Monica when we
did the meet and greet, and of course Todd ran
into somebody who had his face on her shirt. And
next thing you know, Todd is chatting.

Speaker 6 (17:30):
Her up for I know you, Why is your face
on her shirt? It's so weird? What do you guys
do for a living? Three pistons?

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Get on with it. I do think that's your best
impersonation because you do capture that girl who's sitting next
to her sister and her sister has your face on
her T shirt and she can't understand it because she
has no idea who you are.

Speaker 7 (17:54):
No idea at all.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
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Speaker 10 (18:05):
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Speaker 1 (18:10):
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Speaker 11 (18:11):
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Speaker 2 (18:30):
Final hour on this Friday, it's a Meat Friday. And
in case you're wondering, and I know you are, what's
on the menu. We have beef strip, loin roast. We
have roast beef sliders, corn on the cob, asparagus and
mashed potatoes. Who has it better than we do? No,

(18:51):
Steve Young, Hall of Famer will join us. Hall of
Famer John Fogerty, who gave us so many great songs
when he was lead singer of Creeden's Clearwater Revival. His
bat Shape guitar that he performed center Field. That song
is going into the Baseball Hall of Fame and they're
inducting the song as well. He'll join us coming up

(19:11):
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(19:33):
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seven Eastern on NBC and Peacock. Seatan what's the poll
question for the final hour of this program?

Speaker 12 (19:47):
We got up there right now? Which quarterback had the
wonkiest career? Steve Young, Kurt Warner, Nick Foles. I feel
like this is a little unfair. I don't know, people
are like, why is Steve Young on this list because
he I don't know that they're properly understanding exactly what
the poll question about Nick Foles is running away with
this one at fifty nine percent, then Kurt Warner, Steve

(20:08):
Young only has about five percent of that vote. But
he did have a wonky career. Yes, in terms of
it was very successful, obvious Hall of famer. He's one
of the greats of all time, but his route to
get there was abnormal.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, you start out in the USFL he comes out
of BYU, and then he goes to Tampa Bay. Tampa
Bay is terrible, and then the Niners trade for him
and he sits for four years. He doesn't become a
pro bowler until thirty one, and he has a six
year window where he put up Hall of Fame numbers.

(20:45):
I mean, that's not the traditional path to get into
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Kurt Warner kind of
the same way Greater. You go from a nobody to
then you're somebody. Trent Green gets hurt, he comes in
Greater Show on Turf, MVP, win a Super Bowl, go
to another Super Bowl. Then all of a sudden you

(21:05):
end up with the Giants and you're backing up Eli
Manning and then you go to Arizona and you take
them to the Super Bowl. Those aren't direct routes to
get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but Kurt
Warner and Steve Young took those indirect routes. Nick Foles
is not a Hall of Famer and that's why he's
winning this all right. A couple of phone calls John
in Cincinnati, Hi John, what's on your mind today?

Speaker 6 (21:28):
Hi?

Speaker 13 (21:28):
ADB longtime listener called A few times, I need your advice. Today,
we are in the car on the way to Athens, Ohio,
to drop my daughter off her freshman year. She's gonna
be a broadcast journalism major, so we need your advice
for me as a dance dropping off and for her
as an aspiring journalism so.

Speaker 8 (21:46):
We can help us out.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
All right, John, you're proud of your daughter, and you
show her the great respect by not being emotional that
you're confident she's going to be great. Let her. Let
her see. Now she's in the car probably hearing this,
so it's going to take away from that moment. But
I always wanted to show my kids, especially my three daughters,

(22:09):
that I trusted, I believed in them, and we gave
them kind of a great background or a head start
and getting to college and being able to handle everything
that goes along with that. So be confident, be proud
of her, and let her know that as far as
your daughter getting to Ohio University, volunteer for everything, campus radio,

(22:32):
campus newspaper, if there's a local TV station that you
can work on weekends, you can work nights, whatever it is.
You must outwork everybody else, and that'll give you a
chance to be able to do this for a living.
But good luck John with the trip and to your daughter,
thank you so much. All right, Yeah, my voice would

(22:55):
quiver when I would say goodbye to my daughter's. My
wife said, be strong, and you're going to be strong.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I'm like I am.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I think I'm being strong. Mike and Wisconsin. Hi, Mike,
what's on your mind today?

Speaker 9 (23:09):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Dan, Hey Mike?

Speaker 7 (23:11):
I just saw there? Would Hello Dan.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Hey Mike, Hey Dan.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Hey, Mike, Hey Dan, see you Mike. Oh, have a
good one. Any who. Uh. One of my favorite guests
of all time, Steve Young, joining us on the program.
How are you feeling, dad?

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Great?

Speaker 8 (23:36):
How are you, buddy?

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I'm good, I'm good. Uh. I saw you in the
documentary on the Cowboys.

Speaker 8 (23:44):
Uh, yeah, I haven't. I got to watch that. I
haven't seen it. Was it good? Was I?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
You're always good? But I I didn't learn anything from it.
And I've been around it too long, so that's probably
on me that I've heard all all the stories. Therefore
you knew everything. Yes, yes, but if you're young, if
you're thirty or younger, then you're probably saying, oh, that's
when we used to be really good.

Speaker 8 (24:11):
But yeah, it is weird. It's weird that the Cowboys
have struggled for so long yet there's still America's team,
and Jerry's done a great job of that, right, He's
created this image. And I was talking to Jason Garrett
the other day ironically about it, like the you know,
you go out, you travel for the Cowboys, you make

(24:32):
the team, and now you're now you're special, but you're
you're actually not. You got to go earn it. And
I've always had the I always said that the Cowboys
should start with no stars on their helmet, and then
when they get the ten wins, put a star on.
And then when you get to the playoffs, you know,
or you get to the Championsia and you get another star,
and then like because otherwise it feels like there's something
that's special about you, but it's but there's but it's not.

(24:54):
You have to go earn it. So it's a weird
dynamic with the Cowboys because of what they've done with
the America's Team.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
But that was your rival when you were with the Niners.
Would you consider the Cowboys you made?

Speaker 8 (25:06):
Oh yeah, are you kidding me? They were amazing? They
were they they were they were amazing. They were they were.
They were a fantastic team, and beating them was monumental.
I mean, I was just and they were as good
as anyone you've ever seen. So that's just a fact.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
But who was the the person like that, that's the
the most important person on the Cowboys was who?

Speaker 8 (25:35):
I mean they were loaded and you always say the
quarterback with Troy, but I mean it was in many ways.
You know, they had a we gave him Charles Haley.
I mean, well that was a great move, right, nineteen
eighty one. Right, let's let's hand you a Hall of
Fame defensive end just in time, just speaker to make

(25:56):
our lives in miserable. That's awesome. That was just the
best we've ever made. That was great. But I mean
Emmett was the guy that rent like you know, Emma
just you know that was that was what they did, right,
They played off of Emmett and then throwing the ball
play action and Michael down. I mean there's this there's
this hall of famers everywhere, right, that's just the fact. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
And then Jimmy Johnson, you know, it's the architect there
with and back then it felt like he had more
control or more say than Jerry did. But does does
Jerry know? Because it was what I don't know how
many six months ago, eight months ago when you were
on our show and you talked about that. The problem is,

(26:40):
Jerry Jones. That didn't come up in the documentary, did it?
Of course not.

Speaker 8 (26:47):
We did talk about it, and it's pretty obvious. So
it's not like it's a hot take or anything. Because
the owner has not empowered anybody else to go in
in the locker room and threatened to fire or anyone.
Because if as a coach, you have to be able
to lock it, walk in the locker room, and people
have to have not fear, but at least the respect

(27:08):
that I am gonna make this team and if you know,
I'm gonna form it in my image and if I
if you don't, you know, do what I ask or like,
do it well or you know, this is a this
is a place for elite performers. I'm gonna have You're
gonna go And when you were not walk in the
locker room and nobody really believes that you have that power,

(27:29):
you can't. It's the foot you know, you know NFL,
It's just it's so intense and so competitive. They lose
something there and uh, and I think Jerry Jimmy Johnson
had it. We all get that. We all recognize that
Jerry didn't like it. You know, we've kind of that
was you know, I don't think that's a hot take either,
and has never really, in my mind, empowered anybody to

(27:53):
come in and really take control of the team and
be able to run it, uh not run it, but
able to co with authority. And I think that's a
that's a that's a big piece and any coach would
tell you that it's a big piece of being able
to get a great team together.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Steve Young, the Hall of Fame quarterback. If I would
have told you in Tampa you're going to go to
the Hall of Fame when you were with the Buccaneers,
what would you have said?

Speaker 8 (28:21):
I said, well, James Wilder and Jimmy Giles are going
to be amazing because we had we had good play
like we were. We didn't win, but I always said
we weren't losers, like like James Wilder. I don't even
know that name at all, but these guys that I
played with were not losers. We just didn't have the
superstructure to go get it done. So I would have said,

(28:42):
how exactly is this going to happen? But I will
tell you that in the middle of it, I had
I think I had a coach Jimmy Ray, who you know,
turned to me a couple of times just said, look,
you're gonna be good, so just hang in there, like
you know, we've got to get some help, but you're
going to be good. And I think I took that
as a flare or a signal that, like, things are

(29:04):
going to be okay. But hall of fame, you know,
I mean, who who says when their first year when
they're losing, No, I'm a Hall of Famer. Yeah, that's
gonna be great.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
You know.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
I'm killing it. Man, It's going so good. I can't
wait to lose another twelve games.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I think I think you were three and sixteen as
a starter.

Speaker 8 (29:26):
Oh thanks, Dan, I appreciate it. You're always on top
of that. Awesome. Hey, those are those three were hard fought, man.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I bet they were. Where do you stand on rookie
quarterbacks starting games?

Speaker 8 (29:43):
It's more it's more likely today because the difference between
college and pro has really narrowed because of the world changes.
You and I have talked about this at length, and
it's really limited defenses ability to launch their bodies and
patrol the the field, and so it slowed the game down.
And so it's allowed for college type offenses to start

(30:05):
to infiltrate the NFL. Maybe in the innovators with you know,
Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan and Andy Reid and Sean
Payton eight years ago when the when the world changes,
they were they thrived right because they were innovative in
into this new this new rule, this new game that's
got more space. And so, uh, you get to one

(30:26):
of those guys as a rookie, I think there's a
chance that things could go really well. And I think
because they now can run offenses, you can show up
with kayleb Woyden and say, look, we're gonna run stuff
that you're comfortable with because they can. Wasn't the case
in the old days. They couldn't run college stuff. They
get smashed. But today you can run college offenses. And really,

(30:46):
if you've watched the pros and the college game, they're very,
very similar. And in that way, it helps rookie quarterbacks transition,
especially guys that are gonna make it. And it's a,
it's a it's a sign that now go go back
to Tampa Bay who you might question about Tampa still
need lots of help. And there are a dozen teams
in the league that I would not want my son
to go play quarterback for. But there's more. There were

(31:09):
only seven or six or five back in the day
that I want my son to go play quarterback for.
So it's gotten a lot better. Two thirds of the
league I think, pretty good, imaginative, and they've all come
from that tree. Vany Reid, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, and
Sean pat I mean, those are those all the coaches
that have infiltrated the NFL with all this innovation is

(31:30):
pretty much every you know, we quit us in the
league today, but rookies have a shot. And because of.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
That, Rock Purdy went from a feel good story mister irrelevant,
you know, competing in big games and now you get
that big paycheck and now the expectations come with that.
Can you speak to that of what that feels like
or where the pressure? Now you've got to produce and

(31:57):
you got a lot of your weapons either traded away,
are injured.

Speaker 8 (32:02):
It's a new hurdle every quarterback that is going to
be good or great is going to face those kinds
of hurdles. Right, You're gonna get paid and in the NFL,
it's going to be a thing. And now you have
to deal that. We deal with that with your teammates
because it's just so uneven uh in in pay scale
and how attention and uh. And Brock has done an

(32:24):
amazing job being very humble, very team oriented, very I'm
you know, one all for one on one for all
and it's been really easy to you know, make that
true because he was getting paid less than everybody. So
that does that dynamic does change, Dan, and so you
have to kind of jump over that hurdle or walk
through that filter, uh and play through it. And so

(32:46):
that's going to start this season. And that's a piece
of it. There are people that have failed at at
that transition uh and never really got a hand, you know,
kind of handle on it. I think Brock's going to
handle it really well. Now you get to the part
where he said, well, who's gonna help me? Do I
have the guys? And it's certainly different than two years ago.
This team was completely loaded least two years ago and

(33:09):
today it's had to transition, and some of it because
they paid him. So we get that. I've said this
many times, but this year is one of those years
where if you're a fan of the forty nine ers,
the jerseys that you're wearing right now in opening Day, Yeah,
we get that, you know, Kittle and Purty and Warner,
you know, and that kind of thing. But in McCaffrey,
But if we're going to actually give him enough help

(33:30):
and he's going to be able to get to the
you know, go the distance or get close to the
you know, the super Bowl, you're gonna have to be
wearing by Thanksgiving jerseys that you don't know right now,
Guys that showed up either drafted like you know, or
come on to the team and all of a sudden
they've made such big, you know, addition to the team,

(33:52):
you're not wearing their jersey by Thanksgiving. And that's the
kind of season we have to have to actually be
able to do it. So there's young players, rookies everywhere
have to be big time to make it all work.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Didn't preseason used to matter to the to the starters.

Speaker 8 (34:08):
Well yeah, I mean preseason with look again, rule changes, right,
OTAs are really cut down. Time with coaches is cut down.
Preseason is really just to kind of get in shape.
No one wants to hit, you know, because they don't
want to get hurt. They don't want to play because
they don't want to get hurt. And the game is
really today, Let's gather a bunch of guys through free
you know whatever it is, put our fifty fifty guys together,

(34:30):
and let's you know, throw it out there in September,
you know, first week of September. And that's why I
say the preseason today is the first month of September.
That's you just want to get out of the preseason,
which is September like four and oh would be awesome.
Three to one rate two and two fine, you know,
you know, anything less because you just don't know who
you are, what it's going to be, and it's a

(34:52):
it's it's a wild West kind of a thing in September.
You just want to try to manage through it because
preseason is really a thing of the past, and I
think you're even seeing it now because they've reduced a game.
Guys don't play and yeah, so it's you know, used
to be four games. You played three of them. You
know you started full pads the first day, two a

(35:12):
days like it's there was a lot more hitting and
they just they won the game. Make the game, I
think theoretically more safe, and I think in some ways
because you're not hitting each other and putting yourself at
risk and practice in all summer, it's probably true less
less risk, But I think that's the rule changes have
been tried to do that and it's really affected and
that's why I've said the play today. Guys that played

(35:34):
before the rule changes would say, the sophistication of the
game has really been reduced. Is it super competitive still? Absolutely?
And I think the fans are like, this is an
amazing game because it's so competitive, But the guys that
played before the rule changes would say, it's really I
don't know, I'm not gonna say dumb down, but it's
it's had to be reduced in sophistication just because I

(35:57):
don't have the time to actually do everything. And that's
why the innovation the guys I mentioned before are so
amazing because they're able to innovate into the game when
there's such a reduced amount of time to spend with
the players.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
When will Aaron Rodgers look forty. Look his age, Like,
what part of his game will we see age?

Speaker 8 (36:17):
We actually saw it coming off of the Achilles because
that's when he was trying to recover and you know,
he didn't have his He's always been able to threaten
the line of scrimmage, and I think that's part of
his game as he ages, You're not going to threaten
the line of scrimmage nearly as much with your legs.
But I think he's back to a place where he
can now have confidence that that is, you know, his

(36:39):
body is healed and well, and so I think he's
going to look you know, late thirties, right. I don't
think he's going to look that old. But but the
real the key to the game, Dan, and that's the problem,
is that there's so many yards, there's so many touchdowns
out there for free for quarterbacks who threaten the line
of scrimmage, and especially in the big games. And so

(37:02):
that's where he's gonna have to decide do I actually
still do that? Because I don't. I don't think it's
possible to go the distance without the do ability in
today's game, because you look at the Super Bowl and
championship games are all won by guys threatening the line
of scrimmage and making those big plays and creating that
space and and so that's the challenge for Aaron. But

(37:23):
he'll have a I think he'll have a very good season.
I think the Steelers will be classically Steelers, will play
great defense and and win win games and you know,
close ones, and he'll he'll he'll have a better season
that he's had. And uh, and then it'll get into
January and see if they can make make some noise,
and I think that'll be that'll be in a dynamic

(37:44):
you know, you know focused, you know, Aaron Rodgers is
gonna be in the mix, just because again I go back.
I don't mean to be labor this, but he was.
He was born and bred in a more sophisticated era,
so he can take advantage. That's why he's still paying.
That's why wanted to play. That's why Peyton wanted to
Peyton was so pissed because his arm fell off, Like
He's like, I could still do this for another ten

(38:06):
year because I'm playing in an era where they can't
hit me. In the middle of the field's unpatrolled and
the flats are open. So let's go, and I think
that Aaron knows that.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
And Brady could still play, couldn't he He could still start?

Speaker 8 (38:19):
Yeah, I think to me learning in a more sophisticated
air now playing today, as long as your arm is
Drew Brees lost his arm right, ye, Ayton's armed, I mean, Tom,
if his arm is still there, you can. I think
you can still play. I don't know how. I mean,
at some point, you know, you slow down enough where

(38:40):
you can't make the throw that you need to make,
and it just shows up and defenses start to creep
and and then you start taking the air out of
the room and pretty soon you just can't. You know,
first down has become really hard. I mean, that's inevitable.
But as far as just you know, if your arm
is still in pretty good shape, you can play for
a while.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Great to talk to you is always. Thanks for joining us, Yeah,
you're the man. Steve Young Hall of Famer, will take
a break. Another Hall of Famer, John Fogerty, will join
us the Rock and Roll Hall of Famer right after this.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
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Speaker 2 (39:21):
He's still out there on the road rocking. John Fogerty, singer, songwriter,
Hall of Famer, just turned eighty in May, and today
a new album, Legacy, is being released as he re
recorded some of his most beloved songs with the help
of his sons, Shane and Tyler. Have you Seen the Rain?

(39:41):
Fortunate Son, Proud, Mary bad Moon Rising, but a big
baseball fan. His song center Field the only song to
be officially inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. As
we make way for John Fogerty, former lead singer of
Creeden's Clearwater Revival. John, great to talk to you again.
Your reaction when you realize that the bat, guitar, and

(40:05):
the song center Field were becoming part of the Baseball
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 9 (40:09):
Oh, that was right around maybe a couple months before
it actually happened. It was right around the time that
it occurred. I didn't get a lot of time to
think about all the implications, you know, I was certainly
very proud, still proud, and.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Then whose idea was it to make a guitar out
of a baseball bat or resemble a baseball bat?

Speaker 9 (40:33):
Oh, that was my idea. I'd written center Field, you know,
more or less deciding that that's kind of where my
mind had been over the all the years of my life,
you know, and I just felt comfortable about, you know,
Centerfield as an album was kind of a comeback for me,

(40:55):
you might say, career wise, and the place to me
that was sort of ground zero was center field. It
seemed like, especially on a lot of teams, the alpha
male on the team seemed to be the center fielder,
you know, like Willie Mays with the Giants, or back
in the day Babe Ruth before they moved him to

(41:16):
right field. I think Joe Demajjo, Mickey Mannle.

Speaker 7 (41:21):
You know, go on.

Speaker 9 (41:22):
But anyway, and so I wrote the song and then
eventually decided to name the album center Field. Actually it's
the reverse. I named the album center Field and didn't.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Have a salt.

Speaker 9 (41:38):
And then I came up with that guitar lick, you know,
and realized that I started I started just saying the
things I said in life. I'd watched the Saturday Game
of the week baseball, you know, there was one game
on TV on Saturday, and I'd sit down and watch
that and I'd be yelling at the screen screen, you know,

(42:00):
like we do when something good happen or bad. And
sometimes it'd be a phenom, you know, and it's something
going not going well with the team you're rooting for,
and I'd be yelling.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Put me in, coachs put me.

Speaker 9 (42:13):
You know. It's just you know, how you enjoy and
interact with the game. And all of that stuff started
coming out when I was playing that Guitar League and
I realized I had a song that could be center field.
So that came first. The album came out in eighty
five and it was a big success and all that,

(42:34):
and I decided, well, you know, I'm going to be
touring pretty soon. Wow, it'd be cool to be able
to play center field on a baseball bat. So that's
how it started for me.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Now, clear up something, because I think I asked you
about this a while ago that you say brown eyed
handsome man, and I thought you were talking about Joe
Demagio because he played center field, and you said, it's
not about Joe Tomi, it's about Jackie Robinson.

Speaker 9 (43:03):
Absolutely, I realize he's not the center fielder. And I
guess I took a little tributary in the musical world there,
But it just seemed important to me. That's a line
that's in a Chuck Berry song, Brown Eyed Handsome Man,
and he talks about round and third headed and for home,

(43:26):
and so that I just sort of borrowed that in
my homage to Jackie Robinson. After all, if I'm writing
a baseball song, you better be in there.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
We're talking to John Fogerty, formerly of Creden's Clearwater Revival
rock and roll Hall of Famer, has a new album
called Legacy that comes out today, some re recordings with
his sons Shane and Tyler. You got fortunate son. Have
you seen the rain? Proud Mary? So tell me what
went into this project.

Speaker 9 (43:56):
Well, you know, I recently got my songs back the
ownership a couple of years ago, and that's a great
big deal to any songwriter, of course, or any writer
of any kind of material. And so finally, after more
than fifty years of trying, I finally got the ownership

(44:19):
of those songs back. It was actually facilitated by my
dear wife, Julie. She's the one that really manifested this
and made it happen. You know, she's a force of
nature and God bless her. So with that in mind,
finally accomplishing that, it just seemed kind of a natural

(44:41):
progression to hear in the present. You know, I just
turned eighty this year, and the idea basically was, what
do you do? What kind of a gift would I like?
So I decided to give myself a gift and record
a a lot of the old Creeden songs I had

(45:01):
written so many years ago again and hopefully it would
be seen as a gift also to my fans. And
that was the motivation, this time involving my family, meaning
my wife and certainly my sons Shane and Tyler, who
are in my band, and they helped produce the record

(45:25):
as well. So it was a family endeavor and you know,
a lot of love in that respect making this record.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Take me back to Woodstock. What day were you on
with Creeden's Clearwater Revival.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Well, it was.

Speaker 9 (45:43):
Supposed to be on Saturday night. The man on the
phone had promised me that a prime spot, you know,
the headlining spot on Saturday night. It's going to be
nine o'clock. Man, that's prime time. But things got later
in the later and later. This was of course during

(46:03):
the era of hippies. I'm not sure anybody actually had
a watch, but the whole program got later and later,
and somewhere around midnight of Saturday, the Grateful Dead went on,
and then they sort of stalled around on stage for
a while. Nobody quite knew what was going on. I
believe Credence went on Sunday morning early.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Around Were you there when Hendrick set his guitar on fire?

Speaker 9 (46:35):
No, that was actually Monday morning. That was after the
whole night of Sunday, you know, the whole festivities of
the Sunday evening going into twelve am and one and
two and three, then the sun came up, and that's
Monday morning when Jimmy went on.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
The difference in your voice now at eighty as opposed
to thirty, Oh well, I know my.

Speaker 9 (47:00):
False setto is not quite as strong and pure as
it used to be. You know, it's a little different
around the edges, I think, but it's certainly as strong.
I'm certainly as loud as I ever was, and that's
probably as much to I've been a runner all my life,
and so I think all those miles of running kind

(47:21):
of helped my stamina.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Well, congrats on a great run. And it's not over.
He's a rock and Roll Hall of Famer as a
songwriter and of course as a singer. My best to
the family, certainly, Julie and John. Thank you for joining us.

Speaker 9 (47:36):
Thank you Dan, It's always great to see you.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
John Fogerty, the album is Legacy being released today. I
met him. I'm trying to think how many years ago.
This almost ten years ago at Howard Stern's sixtieth birthday party,
and Gary Delabte, Howard's longtime producer, invited me to come
on and introduced Dave Grohl, and I said, okay. But

(48:04):
I get there and immediately I'm told by somebody, Hey,
John Fogerty wants to meet you. I'm thinking, all right,
this is I mean, it's the Howard Stern Show. So
I'm you know, somebody's punking me here. You know, Baba
Booie is going to jump out or you know, stuttering
John or somebody. And I go back, you know, through

(48:27):
these hallways, and all of a sudden, I just walked
up to a door and knock on the door and
John's wife answers. I said, I'm supposed to say hello
to John, and she goes, He's been waiting for you.
I walk in and there he is. He's got his
plaid shirt, his signature plaid shirt on and he listens

(48:49):
every morning in Los Angeles. And I said, okay, this
has already proven to be a great night. Then I
go back into this kind of a green room and
I got Slash from Guns n' Roses, and I got
Dave Grohl. You know, you got all these people and
they're kind of getting ready to go on and have

(49:09):
their performances. And I walk up to Dave Grohl and
I said, hey, I'm introducing you. He goes, I don't
know anything about sports. My daughters play lacrosse. I said, well,
I'm yeah, that has nothing to do with the introduction.
He goes, yeah, this is what I want you to
say that I grew up listening to Howard on a
Ham radio and I said okay, And then I just

(49:33):
wanted to get it over with because I mean I
had already had my highlight. I met John Fogerty, go out,
sayalo to Robin Saalo to Howard, introduced Dave Grohl, and
then I'm out the door. But you know, one of
those surreal moments because there's John Fogerty Rock and Roll
Hall of Famer and gave us so many great songs
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