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August 25, 2025 45 mins

DP reacts to Tommy Fleetwood's Tour Championship victory. Longtime NFL broadcaster Cris Collinsworth shares a hilarious Howard Cosell memory and is very curious about Caleb Williams with Ben Johnson in Chicago. CBS Sports CFB analyst Rick Neuheisel likes Penn State to win the Big Ten and rolls with LSU in the SEC. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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(00:55):
weekend in college and what he thinks will happen this
upcoming sea. He's an eight seven seven three DP show
operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls in
no particular order. Today, I think America, maybe the world
was rooting for Tommy Fleetwood. Part of me he wanted
to see Scotty Scheffler put a little pressure on him.

(01:16):
But we've seen what happened. When there's been pressure on
Tommy Fleetwood, it usually doesn't end well. But he finally
got his first PGA win and it's a big one.
And I was talking to Charles Barkley yesterday afternoon, so
Charles called me about something playing golf, and I said,
aren't you playing golf?

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:36):
He goes, I'm watching Tommy Fleetwood. I put a lot
of money on Tommy Fleetwood. He better win it said, okay,
well you might get one right here. It looks like
he's going to hold on. But Fleetwood it was fun
to see because the expectations always been there when you
and that's what's tough. When you have the potential, you

(01:57):
have the expectation. It's not like he comes out of
no People have been waiting for him to come, you know,
to the forefront. And he did that yesterday and did
so in dramatic fashion and got his first win, and
that's a big one. College football is underway. I Aoway
stayed Hawaii UNLV got victories there. NFL preseason is over

(02:17):
and cuts our underway. As we speak, we'll come up
with the pole question. And by the way, when you
know we talk about preseason, it's officially behind us now,
but the real action is ready to begin. And keep
this in mind. Don't take any of it too seriously
because we fall into this trap every preseason. Caleb Williams

(02:39):
was supposed to light up the NFL. Marvin Harrison Junior
was going to be a Jamar Chase like rookie Kyron
Williams with the Rams. We thought he was going to
be a punt returner. He ended up getting fourteen hundred
yards and thirty three million dollar contract in the off season.
The point is really simple with preseason, it's about a value,

(03:00):
not prophecy. And it feels like we want to project
now we got it all figured out.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Man Jackson Darton, he should be starting.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Uh, Dylan Gabriel looks great, Maybe he should be the
starter in Cleveland. We want to be the first to
tell you something, and that's why I always say just
to use caution because The real story starts now on
how good these guys are, how good these teams are.
And I watched a lot of preseason football the last

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couple of days, and I still see a tendency with
young quarterbacks. This isn't going to be a referendum on
Shador Sanders, but I was watching him what happens with
quarterbacks when they come from the college ranks into the NFL.
And I'll talk to Rick Neuheisel about this later because
he played the position, coach the position in the NFL.

(03:51):
They these rookie quarterbacks tend to come in and they
take longer to get the ball out of their hands.
They think they have more time because in college, you
do and in college, your guy stays open longer. They're open.
In the NFL, they just don't stay open very long.
You can get away with a lot, and you get
bad habits. I was listening to Brady Quinn and Brady

(04:14):
the former Notre Dame quarterback, and I was listening to
him this morning driving in and he talked about how quarterbacks,
young quarterbacks already rule out one side of the field
when they go back to pass or they're in shotgun,
they will turn their hips, so their hips are pointing
towards the offensive line. So now you've taken away the

(04:34):
left side of the field and you're also holding onto
the ball. And this is what we saw this with
shad Or Sanders at Colorado. Yes, everybody talked about how
bad the offensive line was, but now that's not the
point here in the NFL. The point is you hold
onto the ball too long. He holds onto the ball
longer than any quarterback in preseason. Because you're waiting to

(04:56):
make a play, you have to take your losses, have
to get rid of the football, and you get sacked
five times, got pulled from the game. Although I didn't
understand that unless and my source with the Browns said
this to me, What if Kevin Stefanski wanted to see
how Shador Sanders would react to getting benched in the

(05:17):
final two minutes and Shador tried to talk his way
back into the lineup.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Once again, this was being speculated to me by a source,
and I said, okay, well, he did want to get
back in. He didn't play well, but I don't know
what kind of mind games you're playing. He just holds
onto the ball too long. Dylan Gabriel, you know, he
gets the ball out in rhythm. And when you're playing

(05:45):
at Oregon and you know, quicker quicker, quicker, quicker, and
you saw that. You know, Caleb Williams got the run
of the place at USC with Lincoln Riley trying to
make a play hold on. You can't do that in
the It's so quick and you must react. And he
watching Shador, he had a guy his first read a

(06:08):
couple of times didn't throw. Once you go from you know,
your first to your second, and if you get to
a third, chances are you're going to be on your back.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
And that's what I saw.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
That's what I see with these young quarterbacks and they
have to get rid of these bad habits. But when
you go back to pass, you must stay with you know,
your body facing the line of scrimmage because now the
defense doesn't know if you're going to the left or
the right. But they go back to pass and then
they've got their hips pointed towards the offensive line. Well,

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now you're not looking at the left side of the field.
And I saw that a couple of times. But Dylan
Gabriel has looked better than I think people are going
to give him credit for and I think Jackson Dark
has played really well. But I'm not surprised with Jackson Dark.
I thought he midway through the season. I said, I'm
getting a first round grade on this guy. And he's

(07:02):
played well, but I don't think he's ready to play
right now. Chador's not ready to play, but he's probably
still gonna make the roster. It's we get caught up
in oh my gosh, I've got this figured out, and
so many times we don't. And that showed once again
this weekend, where you're watching somebody and you're saying, is
that guy good? He was good last week, not this week? Well,

(07:24):
are you playing against the first team defense? Are you
playing with the starters? There's a lot that goes into it,
and that's where I think we all want to go.
I got that situation figured out Seeton. What's pole question today?
We got a couple here from the to double D,
which is always a huge, huge tree on a Monday morning.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
We could start with one real quick which is a
bigger problem. Slow play in golf, slow play in baseball.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Patrick, can't I just hit the freaking ball, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Just hit it, dude, uh, slow play. And I think
we've all been around somebody who plays very, very slow.
But you're a professional, like at some point you would think, hey,
I'm pretty locked in.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
I know what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Not let me back away, let me get over it,
let me stand over it, let me let me let
me okay, I'm going to hit it. Oh, Pauly goes.
I thought, my my TV FROs. I'm watching Patrick cantlay
and I go, oh, damn, my TV FROs. It didn't
Patrick can't lay. Pull the trigger, nothing good happens. I

(08:42):
don't think when you wait that long when you're hitting
a golf shot, get up there, set up quick, remember Sergio. Oh,
and you've got to eventually get into a quicker rhythm.
You've done this millions of times. It's not like us
when we get out there, we're like, damn, I have
no idea where this is going. They have a general

(09:03):
idea where it's going. Pull the trigger?

Speaker 4 (09:08):
What else? What else do you have?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Seaton?

Speaker 5 (09:12):
Let me see here running through t o doves. Were
you rooting for Tommy Fleetwood yesterday?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yes, of course, yeah, yeah, I was. Yeah, And this
is what There are a lot of things that I
really like about him starting with his blue eyes.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
But you know, and he's got great hair too.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
But also when he's lost, he's talked to the media,
he's met with the media, and I appreciate that. You know,
Rory is kind of scampered away and Colin Morikawwa. And
I think you owe it to the fans. Maybe not
the media, maybe you don't like the media, but the
fans are the ones who want to understand what happened.

(09:51):
They're rooting for you. I think you owe it to
the media or the fans. The media, we're the conduit
here and the are the ones who buy Callaway clubs
or BMW cars or come out and see you, because
without them then you don't get those endorsements. And Tommy

(10:11):
Fleetwood stands up and says exactly how he feels what happened,
and I think that is admirable. I've mentioned this before.
Bill Buckner, the ball goes through his legs and he
answered everybody's question after that World Series loss, one of
the worst moments in baseball history, and he answered every

(10:32):
single question. Mitch Williams gave up the home run to
Joe Carter Toronto won the World Series. Mitch Williams answered
everybody's question after that game, after that loss. These are
tough situations, but you get paid to be in tough situations,
and I think how you respond sometimes says a lot

(10:53):
about you. And I was rooting for Tommy because he
needed this. It's almost like Rory at a guy he
had played poorly, and all of a sudden he's just
tripping over himself heading, you know, down the stretch in
the final couple of holes, and it was like, just
let him have this because he can't take, you know,
more of this pain, misery. And that's how I felt

(11:15):
with Tommy Fleetwood. Certain times I'm rooting for a situation
because it's right for that situation, and Tommy Fleetwood couldn't win,
anything came close a couple of times did win. And
that's what I loved it, you know, I said to Fritzi,
although Fritzie almost gave him the jinks, the DP show jinks,
he goes, what do you think I'm going to reach out?

(11:36):
And now the tournament's not over yet. So the fourteenth hole,
I get a text from Fritzie and Fritzy says, hey,
you want me to reach out.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
To Tommy Fleetwood? And all of a sudden, I go
now and then Paul goes Jinks and I was pulling
for him.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
I didn't want to be a Jigs, but to discuss
inviting him on the show five holes before it's over
was a little prevage.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well, okay, but we didn't need to decide then because
nobody's going to talk. Hey, he's going to the fifteenth. Hey,
Todd Fritz wants to know if you can be on
the dance.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Don't do that.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I won't talk to him before that, I don't think.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
So let's put the bugget is here, just to let
him know that we're interested before everything's done.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
If you happen to win, this is one of the
guest opportunities. Yes, Paul. Tommy Fleetwood has been on the
PGA Tour for ten actually eleven years. He made twenty
four million dollars in his first ten years. Yesterday made
ten million dollars. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
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Speaker 7 (12:33):
Out of a Day.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
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Speaker 2 (12:37):
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cards of the Dan Patrick Show. And I want to
have him on. I want to ask him about his
the role that his wife has played, because when you
go home after you lose, there's no cameras, nobody's you know,
following you. That it's lonely, and then you really got

(12:59):
to sit there and probably give your true feelings.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
And the role that his wife played.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I'd love for him to talk about that because that's
usually where you got to find a friend. You got
to have somebody that you can kind of just let
it out. But good for him. All right, what other
poll questions do we have today? Let's see, we've got
many more after the break.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Oh wait, they're teasable. That's how great they are. Dan,
it came out on Monday. We're ready to play every
day as the super Bowl. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
All right, we'll get to your phone calls past and
worst of the weekend. Collinsworth will have the Thursday night
game that will be the Eagles and the Cowboys. Still
no movement there on Micah Parsons. Still no movement on
Trey Hendrickson, and no movement on Terry McLaurin.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
It's gonna be a big week, feels like a big week.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
And the difference with when you had the contract for
Dak Prescott that he agreed to on the day of
their first game last season. That's different because he was
going to play Micah Parsons. I just don't know if
you can go Sunday more or Thursday morning and go hey,
next Thursday and go hey, we agree to a deal,

(14:21):
now go out and play against the Eagles.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
I think it's a different scenario there.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
And I always worry about these guys who get in
late and then all of a sudden they want to
prove if you get a deal or you didn't get
a deal, you want to go out there and you
play a little extra and that's when you get hurt.
But we'll take a break phone calls. Welcome eight seven
to seven, three DP show. We'll talk about college football underway,
Iowa State and k State in Dublin, Hawaii against Stanford.

(14:49):
I told you that was my favorite game of the
weekend and it turned out to be a great finish there.
And the preseason is over. Cuts underway. If anybody have
knows gets cut, we'll bring that to your attention as well.
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Speaker 2 (16:12):
Chris collins Worth Football Night in America, Sunday Night Football
analyst and played wide receiver in the NFL for eight seasons.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Three time Pro Bowler Chris that's that.

Speaker 7 (16:23):
Yeah, yeah, first alternate a few times too.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Does that count?

Speaker 7 (16:29):
No?

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Okay, but that's when it throw it in.

Speaker 7 (16:32):
You know, it's pea cock. I can throw that in,
you know.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
But it meant something back then to be a Pro Bowl.

Speaker 7 (16:38):
You know, the game was hard back then. I mean
people got ripped. I mean, if you remember, there have
been a few players just explosive, just kind of shots.
But we were playing for real money back then. It
was either if you won, you got ten grand, if
you lost you got five grand. And you lost money
on the week. So that was the deal. I mean,

(16:59):
you were played.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
We were playing Chris and Company Sunday Night Football. It'll
be on Thursday Night next Thursday Night Cowboys and the Eagles,
and seventeen seasons as an analyst on the primetime Howard
Cosell is second with fourteen seasons in primetime.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 7 (17:20):
Well, that's a share sign.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
I' old tale brother congratulations.

Speaker 7 (17:25):
I love Howard, though, did you know him at all?
Did you know Howard casselto.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Late in his life.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
I met him a couple of times, and one was
kind of a sad moment. He couldn't pour water, he
couldn't pour his own water because he had Parkinson's. And
the other one he yelled at me for being on
the phone when the baseball strike ended. But was this
nineteen eighty four and I was doing a live report

(17:53):
over the phone for CNN and he yelled at me
because it was the only phone that was available, and
he came out and he kept trying.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
There were three other phones.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
They didn't work, and I said, you know, Howard, I'm
really sorry, but I can go in this live report
on CNN. And he goes as if the whole world's
watching CNN, and then he stormed away. Go on, I
just I just met Howard Cosell.

Speaker 7 (18:17):
That was good, That was good. I had him at
the Superstars and I'm in the swimming competition, which they
forced you because they were a sponsor to wear speedos.
So I'm next to Mark Gastineau, both wearing so Carsell's
going up and down the you know, doing this thing, Hey,

(18:41):
Mark Gas and O blah blah blah blah blah. And
so he comes to me next and he goes, well,
mister Collins with what do you think? And I looked
down at myself, I looked over at Gas and I
looked down at myself, looked over at Gas, and I said, Howard,
I've never felt in my entire life.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
And that was it.

Speaker 7 (19:04):
That was That was great.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
It was like the before and after. You were the
before and Gastoneau.

Speaker 7 (19:12):
Before it was it was not yet.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I opened the show talking about rookie quarterbacks and mistakes
that they make, and in college you get the opportunity
to extend, to play. Receivers are open longer, hold on
to the ball more. We saw this with Caleb Williams.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
You know, obviously we saw it with Shadoor Sanders. But
when you look at film, when you see rookie quarterbacks,
what are the things that are really jump out that
are negative.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Hold the ball?

Speaker 7 (19:46):
I mean, Shad Sanders was a really good player in
college football. When he got the ball out of his hands,
you think, because he's Dion's son, that he's a run
around guy, right, You would think in reality those were
his worst plays when he got the ball and got

(20:07):
it out of his hand and under two point five seconds,
that guy could really play. I mean it was really impressive.
And so my whole thought on him is is he
going to be able to take a step back and say,
all right, I like to run around, I like to
make plays out of the pocket. But in reality, that's
when I was taking sacks, That's when I was turning

(20:29):
the ball over. There were some good plays in there too,
but at this level, you've got to get it out
of your hand. And that's what we've seen Jackson Dart do.
That's what we saw bo Nicks do last year. That's
what we see the young quarterbacks that can come into
this league and make an impact right away, because those
guys playing edge rushers in the NFL are the greatest

(20:51):
athletes in the world. I mean, those guys are six
six and two seventy and run four or five and man,
don't mess with those guys.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, in getting into a rhythm, and I thought Dylan
Gabriel did a really good job, but I think he
was programmed to do that in college, where I thought
Shudor didn't have a good offensive line, did hold onto
the ball a little too much and Oil's fails. He
had Travis Hunter to bail him out. Now you've got
to get into that rhythm. How do you teach that though?

(21:21):
With young quarterbacks?

Speaker 7 (21:24):
I mean I've seen everything. I've seen him blow a
horn at two point five seconds. Like so I've had
kids even in high school that the idea of. They
all want to do the same thing. Usually, if you're
playing quarterback in high school, you are the best athlete
in the school. Right, So your entire life, you've played tag,

(21:45):
you've played freeze tag, you've played all these different games, right,
nobody could catch you. You're the best athlete. So you
get on the football field and what do you know
how to do? All right, let me just run around.
They can't catch me, and then I'll, you know, make
a play. And you watch Patrick Mahomes and you watch
Lamar Jackson and you watch Josh Allen and those are
the guys that are competing for the MVP of the league.

(22:08):
So I want to be able to do that too.
But in reality, if you hold on to it, all
you're doing is inviting more pressure. If you get back
there in the pocket and you just go boo boop, boo.
I mean Jackson Dart, I wouldn't. I wouldn't blitz him
if he got in the game for anything, like I
want to see him throw the ball down the field

(22:29):
a little bit and read out the defense fully so
that you know. Those are the kinds of things that
I think the adjustments are there in the National Football League,
and Caleb Williams is probably the prime example of that.
I think every analyst that went in there, and I think,
you know, as far as the top games, I'm the

(22:49):
only one that wasn't a quarterback. So he heard it
from everybody like get the ball out of your hands. Like, dude,
just get the ball out of your hands. It doesn't matter.
Complete seventy percent. And that's what Johnson's been trying to
do with him. Just het seventy percent. We got to
hit seven out of ten of these and that's really
hard to do. That means a lot of checking down

(23:10):
in the NFL, and that's where he's got to get to.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Are you preparing for Micah Parsons to prepare for the Eagles?

Speaker 7 (23:18):
Of course? Of course, I mean are you watching the
Netflix thing on the Cowboys? Are you seeing any of that?
And of course the EMMITTT Smith thing. He held out
for the first two games. They lose the first two games.
Jerry's been down that road before. We've seen all this.
They want to be a show, they want to be
all these things. But the problem for Mike A is that,

(23:41):
you know, they really do control them for the next
three years. He's under contract, and he can be franchise
tagged the two years after that. So I don't know
what the contract was that he agreed to. It wasn't
a great concept to go in and sit down with
Jerry Jones and start talking about a contract. It's not

(24:02):
a great concept for the players' Association to allow NFL
players in the room to negotiate with NFL owners. Those
guys are trained killers, right, I mean that they are billionaires.
They know how to negotiate deals. So as an agent,
there is no way I'm letting Micah Parsons anywhere near

(24:24):
Jerry Jones. I don't even want to have a private
conversation on the field. I don't want any of that stuff.
So but once you do, and you know, man up.
He said he was willing to take less earlier, you know,
and you know, whatever it was in the offseason and
he goes, oh, I'd take less to play for the
Cowboys and all that, and Jerry took that and ran

(24:46):
with it, and whatever was said behind closed doors, Jerry
feels like he has a deal.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I know, we're obsessed with rankings, ranking our quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
You know, where is Jalen Hurts? Is he a top ten?

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I don't know where you I'm going against my own
philosophy of, you know, kind of acknowledging these lists. But
I am curious, since you do have the Eagles with
Jalen Hurts, where does he kind of fit in to
the pantheon of quarterbacks.

Speaker 7 (25:16):
Yeah, I'm not sure that I've seen his story like his.
I mean, I remember watching that National championship game when
he got benched for Tuam and Tua gets in the
game and throws the game winning touchdown pass they win
the National Championship. Everybody's going crazy, and I think most

(25:38):
of us, maybe who are just parents, Maybe those are
the people. But I was thinking, oh my god, that
kid's career is over. Jalen hurts career is over. He's
been a really good player, but there is no way
mentally or emotionally he comes back from this that you
just can't happen. Right, goes off to Oklahoma, and I

(26:00):
think he did a little bit of what we were
just talking about. He had one of the highest completion
percentages when he played for Oklahoma, comes out, gets drafted
in the second round. Universally, everybody was panning the pick.
How do you do in a second round quarterback? You
might as well just throw it in a garbage can
or whatever. But that's a team that was built around

(26:25):
offensive line, built around defensive line. And to watch him
and to meet him, you ever met him, You ever
just had a conversation with him.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, he's impressive.

Speaker 7 (26:37):
He's probably the most serious minded football player I've ever met.
I mean, to get a smile out of him, you
feel like, you know, you want to have a celebration.
But he is all in. He's all in for his teammates.
He's not afraid to lead, he's not afraid to put
his head down and run. And when we talk about

(26:59):
great players, what do we talk about in the NFL
going from the twenty to twenty Anybody can do that.
You know, if you had any chance at all, you
can do that. The game starts in two situations in
the red zone in short yardag Right, those are the
two you've got to convert on third and fourth down,

(27:21):
and you got to score touchdowns. When you get to
the red zone, you're kicking field goals. You're going to
lose in the NFL. And so what does this guy
do better than anybody else? He hits a high percentage,
be can run the ball with He's not a Lamar Jackson,
maybe more of a Josh Allen, kind of a big, strong,
physical guy. But he scores touchdowns and he converts third downs,

(27:44):
some of them with his arm, some of them with
his legs, some of them with just sheer power or
you know, his brain, his audibles because he studied the
game so much, so it was interesting. I did an
interview with Peyton Manning not too long ago, and he
said that Jalen calls him all the time about how
do you operate? What were you thinking here? What do

(28:05):
you do there? And he's a real curious guy, but
he is. He is a dynamic guy. What I want
him is my quarterback. I would take him all day long.
Plus he sets the tone for that physical style of play.
I mean, how frustrating would it be for a three
hundred pound three hundred and fifty pound defensive tackle to

(28:27):
know he can't stop the quarterback from on a quarterback snake.
That's making these teams insane. I mean, they tried to
change a frigging rule on them. It's making them all
crazy out there. So I really I think very highly
of him.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Well, what's different now?

Speaker 2 (28:43):
And you know this is NFL teams drafted a quarterback
and then you had to kind of adopt that team's
philosophy of what they do. Now it feels like you're
catering your offense. Whether it's Cam Newton or Patrick Mahomes
or Josh Allen. We want to cater our offense to
your strengths.

Speaker 7 (29:03):
Yeah, Lamar Jackson's probably the top of that list, right.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:07):
So that was a Ozzie sitting there and there's Lamar
last pick in the first round. And as it gets
a little closer, he and John Harbaugh are having this
conversation and I've talked to both of them about it,
and basically it was this, are we going to do this,
because you know, we've got to change everything that we've

(29:29):
ever thought about offense if we're going to do this,
If we draft Lamar right here, and it's going to
be your last pick as a general manager, it's going
to be a bit of your legacy. I are ball
as a coach have to totally commit to what he
does right, and at the time, nobody I mean, obviously

(29:51):
he's a thirty second pick. Everybody else had a chance.
They didn't think that highly of them, right, But the
one thing that I thought about him from the beginning
was that he was a pocket passer at Louisville. He was,
That's what he was. Now he scrambled out of that
and he ran and he did different things. So yeah,
I think that in its entirety now the league is

(30:11):
about finding guys who can make those plays, who can
escape pass rush, who can gain and convert third downs,
strong enough to take a hit, smart enough to know
how to run an offense, but have a good enough arm.
And those are the guys. To me, those are the
guys that are winning championships right now.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Give me the team you're most curious about, probably the Bears.

Speaker 7 (30:37):
You know, I think it's hard to not want to
see what that combination is. Ben Johnson's a really good coach,
He's got a really talented quarterback, and Caleb Williams. He's
stacked him with receivers all around him, helped him with
an offensive line. Joe Tooney's over there right now. And

(30:59):
I think Ben Johnson and that smart. You know, he's like,
you know, I hate that we have a rocket scientist
in the league, and you know, he's a computer scientist,
and you know, so it's like, I don't know how
much of that makes a difference or not, but he's
a smart guy. And I think that what he did
going into Chicago was you know, I'm going to beat

(31:20):
him up. You know, I'm going to make his life
really miserable. This guy's gotten nil money in college. He
drove a fancy car before I ever drove a fancy
car in my life. I'm going to beat him up
because this is Chicago and they take football very seriously here.
And if he can't handle me, he certainly is not

(31:41):
going to be able to handle the Green Bay Packers
and the Minnesota Vikings, right So I'm going to beat
him up and see whether or not he can take it.
But I still believe the hardest thing he's going to
have to learn. The part that didn't make any sense
to me at the time, why Ben took Chicago go
instead of it could add almost any of the jobs.

(32:03):
Is he had a quarterback in Caleb Williams, who had
I think literally like a dozen snaps in college under center,
and so much of what they did in Detroit, and
the reason they were so successful in Detroit was because
they were under center and they ran football and they
very much were part of that offensive line, you know,

(32:25):
being the driving force of the team. And then Jared
Goff became a good player because he got protected and
they ran the football and you can go play action.
So you know what they're trying to put in place here.
I just it'll be interesting to see whether Caleb can
become an under center quarterback.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
But I don't know why more quarterbacks don't get under center.
That takes away the illusion, you know, where you're going
to do play action where you actually are faking or
giving to a running back. And can you speak to
that of everybody's in the gun.

Speaker 7 (33:00):
I think it's what they know. You know. They they've
got all these passing camps now when they're in high
school and you go seven on seven and you do
all that, and so nobody's taking the center snap. And
I can tell I mean, I played quarterback until I
was a sophomore in college when they finally figured out
I couldn't throw it at all. But so but just

(33:22):
and I would talk to Kenny Anderson about it. I'm like,
what are you watching as you're going back? And he said,
I'm watching the two safeties. So if they split, that
means one thing. You know, one comes up and goes back.
If they're too deep, that means another thing. I know
through my progressions immediately what I'm going to do. And
I said, well, why don't you like doing the shotgun?

(33:43):
He said, because I got to catch the ball. And
I like what he goes. If I catch the ball,
I have to take my eyes off of those two safeties.
So I think to some extent there you see snaps
get bobbled all the time. But they're trying to watch
the two safeties. They're trying to see the field. They're
trying to catch it without really looking at the football.

(34:04):
But they've gotten used to doing that over the years.
What they can't do is the reverse of it, which
is drop back and get themselves set and be able
to make the same kind of reads down the field.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
It's hard good to talk to you excited for the
upcoming season, and thanks for joining us.

Speaker 7 (34:24):
Good talking to you, buddy.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
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Speaker 2 (34:55):
I just saw the DraftKings odds that it's Ohio State
and Texas. They are the favorites to win the national championship.
As we segue into Rick new heisl college football analyst
for CBS, former college football coach, and Rick, great to
see you again. You got Texas and Ohio State playing
each other in Week one. Normally you have those cupcakes

(35:17):
that you ease into the season. So how do you
get your team ready to go right away? For Ohio
State and Texas well, I don't think you have to
even try.

Speaker 6 (35:26):
I think everybody understands the magnitude of the contest and
the stage that will be the City of Columbus and
the Shoe. This is going to be a monster game.
What's fascinating about this game is that you've got two
quarterbacks with relatively little experience, and I think the two coaches,
Sark and Ryan, will basically play a vera cat and

(35:49):
mouse game. I think this is a low scoring game.
Try to make sure that your quarterback's comfortable, don't throw
them to the wolves too early. And I think it's
going to be a wonderful setting.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Who's winning the Big Ten this year?

Speaker 6 (36:03):
You know, I think Penn State, if not now when right,
They've got so many things coming back. The two running
backs are fantastic, They've got the most experienced quarterback in
the league. They've got you know, James Franklin has proven
he can recruit. They're wonderful defenders this and they've got
a schedule to beat the band right, They've got three

(36:24):
the pre seed, it's basically pre season football for the
first three games. I think it's Nevada, f i U,
and Villanova to start the season, then a bye, then
you get the white Out game versus Oregon. So everything
sets up for Penn State this year. What about the
SEC You know I'm gonna go with LSU. I think

(36:45):
Garrett Nesmeyer is the real deal. We all remember both
Joe Burrow and Jade and Daniels. I think this guy
is going to have a heck of a game in
Death Valley, although with a small d I guess even
that it's not Bat and Rue. I think he and
Klubnik are going to put on a show, but I
think duss Meyer's going to come out on top.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
We have twelve teams now in a playoff, probably going
to fourteen or sixteen at some point. Then the Big
Ten leaks a proposal for twenty four to twenty eight teams.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Why did they leak that? To me?

Speaker 6 (37:20):
It was almost to get people to understand sixteen is
the right number. Sometimes if you have twelve and people
sitting there, maybe twelve is the right number. And then
you throw twenty four to twenty eight out somewhere. If compromises,
where we're going to be. Compromise now goes to sixteen.
As I like to say, the answers money Now, what

(37:41):
was the question? I think we're going to sixteen. The
fact that no team with a bye last year one
shows the lack of value of that buy, and I
think sixteen will be a great number for college football.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
I'm talking to Rick new Heisl's CBS Sports college football
analyst and former college football coach. We're going to get
to a number where we're going to jeopardize the regular season?
Or have we gotten to a number where we're jeopardizing
the regular season?

Speaker 6 (38:13):
I understand the argument, but I just saw an analytic
piece of data where case State and losing to Iowa
State over there in Dublin, now their playoff chances shrink
to thirteen percent. So remember, even at sixteen, the number
is much smaller than any other sports league out there
in terms of who gets to graduate to the playoffs.

(38:37):
We have one hundred and thirty seven teams in Division
one football. So the facts of the matter are the
regular season is still very, very exciting. These preseason games
are testament to that. And then you get to that
month in November with so many more teams are still
in the hunt, it just gets overwhelming. And if we
go to automatic qualifiers, which I think will be the end. Sure, again,

(39:01):
with the premise that the answers money, what was the question?
We get to automatic qualifiers, you can only imagine the
influx of more playoff games, much like the NBA, where
both the SEC and Big Ten will have play in games.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
SEC going to nine games schedule, yeah, means.

Speaker 6 (39:20):
Means that the coaches didn't get their way. I think
Greg Sanki did his best to try to listen to
him and see if it made sense. But when Oklahoma
is selling seats at a postgame press conference and Tennessee
is selling advertising that's going to appear on the field,
you can see the analytic directors are in need of
money and rather than keep shaking down the boosters, they're going,

(39:42):
let's go to that ninth conference game. Our television partners
will pay more for it. It now creates an opportunity
with the Big Ten to create some non conference games
that will be paid for handsomely.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
It's a money play and it's the right move.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
What did you think of the NCAA's punishment with Michigan?

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Much ado about nothing. The guy who is most guilty
is still coaching.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
In the NFL.

Speaker 6 (40:07):
Now, had they done something to Jim Harbaugh and he
had to sit a little bit in the NFL, that
would have been something. But and remember That's exactly what
they did with Jim Tressel when he was got his
hand in the cricket jar with that tattoo gate thing.
They made him sit as he was working for the
Colts at the time. This is a big fine, twenty

(40:30):
million bucks, maybe even north of that, but at day's end,
it was worth it.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
For those who said, Michigan versus.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
The world, would you have punished Tarbaugh?

Speaker 6 (40:40):
I would have, yeah, if the punishment could have gone
to sit him down, because that flew in the face
of what we're all about in terms of fair play.
And listen, I know I've always had a bent against Harball,
so I'm real kind of careful about my personal bias
about it. But at days en, if we really want

(41:02):
to curtail this stuff, that's the punishment should have followed
the criminal.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Notre Dame doesn't have to join a conference now ever,
because all they have to do is go ten and
two and they're going to be in the playoffs because
they're a.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
Brand and can get whether it's home games or can
get the buy right. The seating thing changed. So Jack
Swarbrick goes down as a hero. Not only did he
fight for their independence, he also has got them in
a chance where they can be part of the field
on an annual basis and they can schedule around it.

(41:35):
That will be the interesting thing. Who will schedule Notre
Dame and can they freeze them out to force them
into a into a conference That remains to be seen.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
But you know they're playing USC but that's going away, right,
They're not playing Michigan. I mean, who's They're going to
play some acc you know, schedule teams, but that's right.
Tennant j seems pretty reasonable every year for Notre Dame.

Speaker 6 (42:02):
I would agree. I would agree, And they've got a
nice recruiting machinery. This is a good thing for Notre Dame.
But there will be some clamoring back and forth after
a few years of this. This is in its infancy.
But after a few years if they don't schedule up
and it'll be interesting as to the big ten in
the SEC how much they'll schedule them. You can see

(42:24):
both of those conference involved with the Notre Dame Right now.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I was watching a little bit of the Browns with
Shadoor Sanders and of course Kleb Williams. Last year, it
feels like quarterbacks coming in from college are they have
bad habits right, hold on the ball right. Sometimes they'll
have their hips parallel to the line of scrimmage. Then
they already take away one side of the field. They're

(42:48):
only going to be locked in on the right side.
They get the ball out too slow, they try to
make plays. You play the position, coach the position. What
is it that you're seeing with these younger quarterbacks?

Speaker 6 (43:02):
Those two guys in particular, are you know, have watched
the Patrick Mahomes extension right when Mahomes breaks the what
was called in the huddle and now becomes a freelancer.
He's been magnificent. And the oohs and ohs that follow
those kind of plays have been a lot. Those two
guys also were given green lights by their coaches. Lincoln

(43:23):
Riley and Dion Sanders have both said, you guys are
the quarterback, so they've been allowed to just play this
kind of backyard football Johnny johnny football type of quarterback
the NFL because people don't the people get open the
same way they do in college, but they don't stay open.
You have to let the ball go. You have to
have anticipation, which means there has to be a metronome

(43:46):
in your footwork and they don't possess it now. I
saw Caleb Williams in that thirty eight I think they
beat the Bills thirty eight to nothing. That was as
good as I've ever seen him in terms of throwing
on time and with rhythm. If once he gets there
and Ben Johnson's working on that, he can be a
great player. That will be the case with Shadeur as well.

(44:07):
The question is how many reps will Shador get now
that he's in a four quarterback kind of an azerie
there in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
I thought Dylan Gabriel looked good because he makes quick decisions.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
That's exactly who Dylan Gabriel is. He knows he has
to get it out of his hand, he knows what
the defense tells him his feet. His feet are almost
perfectly in place to throw with rhythm, and he throws accurately.
He's a bright guy. He's in the good leader. That's
why he had more starts in college football than anybody previous.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Andrew luck is a GM, Like, what role is is that?

Speaker 4 (44:44):
And he's in the booth during the game.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
Oh, he's he's a junkie, Dan. I mean, I got
a chance to talk to him. He loves this being
back in it. As a matter of fact, it was
precipitated by him going to the president at Stanford and saying, hey,
here's my two cents on what's the program needs.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
He says, well, then why don't you run it? And
it's basically he's got the job.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
It'll be interesting to see if he can keep from
becoming the head coach if he because he's got such
a zest for it. He hired the guy, Frank Reich,
who was the officiant in his wedding, and you know,
so that this is a partnership and he's all over
the practice field.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
The guy's having a blast.

Speaker 6 (45:23):
But they're going to have to average more than under
four yards a pass attempt if they're going to be
a player in the ACC.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Great to catch up with you, we'll talk to you always.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
A blast, my friend.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Thank you, Bud, see ya, Rick Neuheisel
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