September 3, 2025 • 44 mins
"Good Morning Football" co-host Kyle Brandt discusses his new project, "NFL Classics: After Further Review," and shares why fans never hesitate to let him know when they disagree. Hall of Fame WR Michael Irvin criticizes Micah Parsons' agent and notes why Jerry Jones' reaction shaped the trade outcome. Pablo Torre breaks down his explosive report on the Clippers and Kawhi Leonard attempting to circumvent the NBA salary cap, and shares what a potential punishment could look like if they are found guilty.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Kyle Brand, popular co host Good Morning Football, got a
new show. The debuts today, NFL Classic Sits upon further review.
You'll find it at nine eastern on Vice TV, Michael
Irvin and EMMITTT. Smith breaking down the Cowboys nineteen ninety
five NFC Championship game. You can also see Kyle Good
(00:26):
Morning Football, Good to see you again. How'd you come
about deciding to do this?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Normally, Dan, I would say I collaborated with my friends
and put something together.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
They came to me and they said, here's an idea
for a show. You want to do it. I felt
like you hear these actors say. I finally got to
stop auditioning. I just got an offer. This was my
first offer. It sounded perfect. I said yes, I'll take it,
and ten minutes later, I'm sitting there with Irvan and
walked to the ninety five title game.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
That's the origin story.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I did NBA's Greatest Games years and years ago at
NBA TV, and we'd have Bill Walton come in and
he would sit there and watch a game with you.
Isaiah Thomas came in and it's just fun because Isaiah
started crying during you know, looking back on the game,
Walton just couldn't stop talking. You know, you get these
(01:18):
guys that they look back and all of a sudden
they open up the scrap book and it's the emotion
that hits them that you might not be ready for
because to you, it was a game you're watching. To them,
it was the game they were playing in.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
And I think that's insightful. And what you get is.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
When you're not just watching highlights, like I've seen Joe
Montana talk about the catch a thousand times and he
tells the story from start to finish. When you actually
watch the game with the ebbs and flows and the
bad plays, well found out when I ended up happening Dan,
that was so funny. It was I was watching the
Titans Rams Super Bowl and the Titans are marching down
the field and it's Steve McNair and I'm with Cedric
(01:56):
the entertainer from Saint Louis and Kurt Warner, and they
were both nervous that the Rams were gonna lose. They
were on the edge of their seat and you start
to watch it, even though you know, you say, Kevin
Dyson's gonna score.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
I know it.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
They have too much momentum, and you can watch them
start to sweat all over again. So it's funny and
it's candid, but in multiple episodes I saw actual fear
from guys knowing full well they win, still thinking they
would lose.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What's the one episode though, that you got something that
you didn't realize.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
There's a lot of them. I would actually stick with
this episode. This This is the again the Titans ninety
nine Rams versus the Titans. This is the coolest thing
about this, Dan, because we've looked at this game for
a quarter century and Mike Jones makes the tackle on
the one yard line and the Rams win. But here's
the what if. The question is the Titans were down seven,
if they score that touchdown, does Jeff Fisher go for
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two to win it right there? And Fisher's gone back
and forth over the years. I would have I wouldn't
have Eddie George of Sam we would have got it.
Everybody on the Rams defense is saying they would have
got it. We were out of gas, We've been battling
all game. We could have gotten, as fans, a win
the Super Bowl two point conversion play, which we've never
(03:11):
gotten before. And again you talked to Kurt about that,
he's helpless. He's standing on the sideline behind Dick Vermeil,
who's ready to celebrate. The tackle at the one yard
line could have given us the greatest finish ever in
a two point conversion.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
We'll still never know if they would have gone for it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I was fortunate when the Steelers played Arizona and we
thought Arizona was going to win the Super Bowl. Now
I'm handing out the trophy. So I'm on the sidelines
and I'm standing next to Steve Young. So Steve is
doing analysis on Ben's final drive. So we're walking down
the sidelines and he's now he's part quarterback but part fan,
(03:50):
and he would be He said, you don't understand, like
this is incredible. He was so excited, and it's one
of the greatest moments I've ever had in this in
my career because because I'm watching with a Hall of Famer,
we're watching Ben lead this drive that's going to win
a Super Bowl, and those are that's why you sign
up for this, because we are fans and we want
(04:12):
to enjoy. You know, it's still our job to be,
you know, a host, analytical.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
But that's where you go County. This is awesome, awesome,
And that was years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
They watched that game with Steve Young, and I can
tell you remember it like it was yesterday. When when
you really when you're talking to the athletes, and it's
not over zoom, it's not on the phone, it's it's
when they're watching themselves work. So many different emotions come out, like,
for example, the Cowboys are really hot right now. In media,
I was sitting and I'm watching the ninety five title game.
This is Cowboys versus Packers. It's Apman versus FIV, and
(04:44):
I'm with EMMT and Irvin. It's the episode that we
start the show with. We talked for over an hour,
and I don't think they said the name Barry Switzer
one time.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Between them, they.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Said Jimmy Johnson Dan probably thirty times. My takeaway was
Jimmy Johnson was the coach of that team. He had
been removed for years. And Barry Switzer, God bless him.
These guys did not want to say the word. They
avoided the word even when I asked about it. I
just think Jimmy was still the head coach, and the
emotions came out for those.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Two talking to Kyle Brant, NFL Network, Good Morning Football,
NFL Classics upon further review tonight at nine Eastern on
Vice TV, and Michael Irvan Emmett Smith with the first episode.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Fans can't get to you when.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
You're hosting Good Morning Football, like they can call into
the show. Where they can you know, they can text
or tweet the show. But you know, I'm already getting
catching strays because I was critical of the Browns and Saints,
you know, just the odds of them making the playoffs
or going to the super Bowl. How do fans get
to you to let you know they don't like what
(05:48):
you said?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Oh, well, you're putting this on right in the wheelhouse.
We just made playoff picks yesterday. Here's the ones that
I like them. I like the fan bases that you
picked their team of the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
But it's only a wildcard and not a didial.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I'm getting screamed at by of all people, I'm getting
screamed at by Lions fans because they only won the
wild card.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Is there a more nouveau reach thing than that?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Somebody drive in a yellow Corvette because they won the lottery,
and they're already complaining that they're only a wild card.
The Lions fans would have cut off a finger for
a wild card five years ago. And they hate me
on social media because I dare to give them not
the division championship.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
It's nuts.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I'm gonna make you program director for the NFL. You picked,
let's do it. You picked the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
If i'm if I'm programmed director for human beings and
all of humanity, and in the time of AI we
need some of this, then that one's easy. Just just
give me Buffalo versus Detroit and someone can be happy.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
All right, that's you get those fans together.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's hugging. It's cats and dogs living together. Somebody wins.
But if I'm gonna be the NFL programmer, and I'm
going to try to do it at the bottom line, and
I'm gonna spike ratings, Dan can I also picked the
halftime performer. Sure I have the Chiefs are in the
Super Bowl again, Taylor's the halftime performer. And then in
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the NFC, we can't do Philadelphia. It's Dallas. It's Dallas
versus Kansas City and they have the story of the
year has been that Jerry Jones suckered us all and
Micah wasn't when Micah was cracked up to be and
he's back and he's against Taylor and she's doing love
story and everybody's crying. It's Chiefs Cowboys in San Francisco,
where the Cowboys have a lot of history.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I think there's a better chance that Taylor Swift does
halftime than the Cowboys get there.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I think actually at this point, I think the Super
Bowl halftime show is beneath Taylor Swift. I think that
she is way bigger than it. And I may say
that as an NFL employee. I think she's bigger than it.
And I think you're right. I think it's still more
likely that she does it and goes a three hour
set before the Cowboys do it. I said lines fans,
I'm trying to figure out, Dan, why are you hearing
(08:08):
from Saints and Browns fans?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
What do they have to complain about?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
They don't want to be told. Do you want to
have false hope on September third? You don't want to
hear the voice saying, yeah, Vegas says, you guys have
the best dodge for the number one pick in the draft,
or Vegas says that you guys have the longest odds
to reach the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
They don't want to hear it. They know it's true,
they don't want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I think they should hear it. There's nothing wrong with that,
at least after a Week one.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
If you lose Week one, then they'll be calling the
show being like, when are you going to start doing
mock drafts.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I can't believe that. Saints and Browns, let's go.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
There are more teams you think can reach the super Bowl,
or more teams who can't make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I think there's a lot of teams that could reach
the super Bowl this year.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
You have the normal headliners that you think of, of
course this team, that team, and then you have these
teams that aren't the the neon lights, like teams that
are built for a super Bowl, like like Tampa Bay
for example. Who have the coach, you have the quarterback.
I don't mind the Rams. Again, I always look at
the coaches. I don't mind the Chargers, Like the only
thing people can say against the Chargers is they lost
(09:15):
the linemen.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
It sucks.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I know he got hurt. I just look at Jim
Harbone and look at the quarterback. We're in this this
weekend where there's this there's this sweepstakes Kentucky Derby type
thing here in sports media where everyone gives their picks
and everyone has to be right and everyone's trying to
hack the system. I have a few simple guidelines that
I go by, first and foremost, always, always, always pick
the Steelers in the Bengo card. They're the free space.
(09:38):
You get that one for free. The rest are up
to you. I always pick the Rams because I believe
Sean McVay is the best coach.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
In the league. And then just look at coaches.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Just pick veteran, proven coaches and the guys who have
been there before, and they'll get you home. So I
think there's a lot of teams that can make the
super Bowl this year, because then you get those tasty
ones like a few years ago Joe Burrow and the
Bengals in his second year, and then you like, oh
look at all the second year quarterbacks. You got him
across the board. One of those teams could make a run.
Because I think for quarterbacks. Now year two, the year
(10:08):
is new year five, so all those guys are in
the freight too.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It's almost like March Madness, where you always picked tom
Izzo in Michigan State because it's tom Izzo, or you
pick John Caliperry, Rick Pacino. You're picking the coaches, you know,
Jim Beaheim, You're picking the coaches who are always going
to be there. You went to the Steelers camp. Yeah,
Hel's morale great.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
I mean, I say this pretty candidly. It was odd.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I sat with Mike Tomlin as someone who spent the
entire offseason saying that he should be replaced.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
And so I respected that he's still sat down.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
But I've been the guy saying Mike Tomlin is at
the point that Andy Reid was with the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
There's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's gonna benefit both parties, the part who'll land somewhere else.
And then you show up to camp and I have
to tell you, Dad, I've never sat with him before.
It's every single thing you ever hope was. There's gravitas,
there's magnetism, there's insights. He looks at you, he shakes
your hand, heart and everything he say, you just kind
of nod even though some of its cliches. And then
I say to him, all right, He's like, we got
(11:11):
some veterans here. I got to teach an old dog
new tricks. And I said, well, you have the oldest dog
in the league. Your quarterback's forty one. He laughs. Rogers
sits down, fantastic, positive vibe, super happy.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Gets married in the off season. I presented him with
that question because there.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Was a lot of I don't know, internet rumors and
intrigued that Aaron Rodgers, you just showed up and got married.
You're a public figure we've been following for years. I
presented him with information that I said, Aaron, I did
the research. Players in this generation who get married in
the off season go on to have an overwhelmingly successful
next season. Across the board. It always happens. How is
this affecting you as a football player? And he goes
(11:49):
into this deep dive answer about how his life is
different and his support system is different and all because
of her, and all because of her. Meanwhile, the rumors
online about what this could be are on planet Mars,
and he just locks in and says, I'm playing this
season for us. So he's unique, he's unusual. He's still
my favorite player to interview, and his vibe was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I give you credit that you came at it with
a different angle, because that's that's the tough part. And
you know, being a great interviewer, it's about what is
my angle that's going to be different because you want
them to realize that you did your homework and that
you did give this great thought instead of saying, hey
he got married.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Huh yeah, yeah, he's not.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Going to give you. You got to work. You know,
there's certain athletes that you just have to work. They'll
make it worth your while, but you got to work.
And Aaron's one of those guys that he's not going
to listen to foolishness. So I give you a lot
of credit with that.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I appreciate the compliment from you, and it's it's you're
exactly rights. And I did the same thing last week
with Josh Allen. I got to ask him, you can
appreciate this, DN. I got to sit with Josh Allen
for about twelve minutes and I have to somehow ask
him you never can beat the Chiefs. Everyone's talking about it.
It's really the only topic we can talk about you
with football is you can't get over the hump.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Your what is the original way to do that?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And I concocted this thing that was just like, listen,
your wife. In her industry, they have the Oscar speech
and you think about it and you practice in the
mirror and you do it in the shower. Do you
have the super Bowl speech? Is that something you have?
And he went and he went said, I had it
since I was a kid. I know every word, I
know the tone, I know all of that, and I
could tell a palpable appreciation that I wasn't just like,
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how about these chiefs?
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I guess you're patriots for Manning? And he actually gave
a creative answer, So I was very proud.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
The pressure on Josh Allen, now you won an MVP.
Local pressure, national pressure. Is there any big variation in
those two?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Well, the Buffalo pressure is just mores, just buffalo terror
and fear and just how can we not get one
with this guy? I think the national pressure is the
same it's been for about three years. It's the same
identical pressure on Lamar Jackson, where every road lead that
you're great, you did this but the difference is is
that Josh has played much better in the playoffs than
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Lamar is. So Josh's narrative is they got to get
him help nationally. But I have to say, I asked
him point blank about you are looked at as this
new Peyton manny, and how do you deal with that.
Everything you do in the community, in the locker room,
you carry a burden with you, and the burden.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Is Josh has to bring home the big one.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
He said, I don't think about it, and I'm like, yo,
come on, you think about it. He said, if it
doesn't happen, I'll be okay with that because I know
I'm doing everything I possibly can. This is a guy
who is twenty nine, he's three hundred million bucks, he
just married a movie star. He references her. I've en
herew Josh Allen twenty five times. I have never heard
him reference God as much as he did, which I
(14:47):
think is a very good thing and shows he's onto
new deals. So he flat out said, I'm going all in.
If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen, so I don't
worry about it. It's his plan.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I find it interesting that you have baseball pitchers who
are really good in the regular season, yeah, and not
good in the postseason. You know, Greg Maddox wasn't great.
You know, Clayton Kershaw had his homits by their Hall
of Fame pitchers. And you have quarterbacks. Lamar Jackson is
kind of built for the regular season, Josh Allen regular season,
it's that big game where Mahomes is built for both.
(15:19):
But now I think he's more built for the postseason
than the regular season.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
I just I find that interesting with.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
And I don't know if it's you know, I'm kind
of pushing or stretching for something, but it just feels
like some quarterbacks love live like Brady, I don't know
any of his stats.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
From the regular season.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I don't I don't like the one season where you know,
he had Randy Moss. But I just knew when he
got to the postseason, he's going to win the game.
If he's got the ball three minutes, two minutes ago,
he's winning the game. Mahomes has graduated to that level
certain guys where you go, oh boy, this is bad,
but they are built for that moment.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
How do you explain that?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
It's I know exactly what you mean, there's certain guys
on the flip side that when it's this, that's third
and twelve is coming up, and I just I know
this is not gonna go well, and then it's a
pick six. And it's not that the guys aren't talented.
Like listen to the Peyton thing that goes back to
college when he couldn't beat the Gators. He just couldn't
do it, no matter how good he was. You mentioned
Clayton Kershaw. I remember when they were calling him Clayton
Manning because he would get to October and he would
(16:23):
just fall apart. There's certain guys, and I listen you
talk about fan complaints and people getting mad. Baltimore Regan
stands are very sensitive about Lamar. I mean very sensitive,
and I get it. He is their guy. My always
put it as Lamar is the fantastic, fantastic regular season player.
He doesn't play his A game in the playoffs. He
doesn't play the D. He plays the B or B
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plus and the best ones hit their A game in
the playoffs, and so he has turnovers. He'll do this,
he'll do that, And I'm not saying he's bad, but
only certain guys, like the ones you referenced out of nowhere.
Sometimes can just get to that a game and certain
guys can't.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Good luck with the show and and your day job too.
At Good Morning Football. Great to talk to you again.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
It's great to see you anywhere other than the sports
I means where I usually see.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
You, and we never win.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I know, we were both like peeking in, like, Okay,
who's gonna win.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
It's not us. Okay, drive home safely.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I wish I could. You're so dead. I wish I
could tell the fans.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Dan is literally in the last row, like throw five thousand,
there's no one behind him. I saw Fritzy and me
and as they're reading our award, we basically have our
ballet ticket.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
In our hands.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
My car was running just to let you know, like
I am out of here. Thank you, Good to talk
to you.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
That's Kyle Brant, NFL Network, Good Morning Football, and his
new show tonight at nine eastern on Vice TV. It's
called NFL Classics Upon further review with Michael Irvan, who
will join us at the top of the hour, and
Emmitt Smith will.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Take a break.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
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player of the year after this.
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He is the playmaker. He's IRV, three time Super Bowl champ,
and he is a Hall of Famer, and he is
a proud member of the You he was on the sidelines, Mike,
you were more excited than the players during that Notre
Dame game.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Well, I don't know about that, DP because I certainly
certainly didn't put in the work that they put in.
But then listen, I know I know I'm approaching you know,
sixty years old. Those are young men playing, just having fun.
It's my job to let them know these are the
(19:17):
greatest times of your life. Don't let these slip away.
You're writing your history and go right. Well, so you
could be an old man like me and remin this
well later, you know what I'm saying. But it was
it's so great to be out there with those guys
then and be able to feel like you're part of something,
(19:37):
you know what I mean. They look at me, they say, oh,
we love it with you here, man, and you know
it's just yeah, that does things for me, man. So
so I enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
What was it like to watch the Cowboy documentary when
you're reopening a scrap book there?
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Well, yeah, that was It was easy for me because
it was my life. I walked out and I live
on it, live in my head with it all the
time anyway, you know. And and then it was time
to really open up and share about a lot of things.
The world has moved forward and changed, and now you
can use your history to try to help somebody have
(20:15):
a better destiny if you can, if you open up
and share. So that's what I thought it was time
to do and in the documentary, and I thought they
did a great job. I thought they did a great
job in shooting it and allowing people to share and
try to straighten out some of the stories you know
that always get greater later and turning their lives. You
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know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Okay, what's the one story that you wanted to correct?
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Well, well, I don't want to say I want to correct,
but like you're you're the guy that's old that boys
would be boys books walking around like I took prepare
of stuitters that just walked up and stab Everett mcgiver
and the neck and stuff like that, even though it
was all wrong. But that's not what happened. You know,
we we were we weren't getting hair, haircut and everything,
(21:04):
and actually I was getting my ass kicked. You see
what I'm saying. I was really getting my ass kicking,
and in order to try to defend myself, I did
something stupid, you know, stuff like that. But and we
were out drinking, and we were out drinking before that.
We were all and I was what I was doing
(21:26):
was reving the line in the Young Lineman, just like
I did with Big Ee, just like we did with
Larry Allen to make sure they're ready when it's time.
He was the new guy coming in. We were like,
come on, new guy, you're the new guy, you know,
things like that. And we had alreadysked some drinks prior
to that, I think, and then Big Ee was messing
(21:47):
with him, telling me, come on, now, you ain't gonna
let that little little say something. You like that, right
every and then he came, yeah, he was whooping by
butt there.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Right for wait, so then you grab the scissors.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Yeah? Yeah, And I shouldn't have done that. I shouldn't
have done that. And I thank him today though, Rich.
I mean, I'm gonna call you Rich because I'm so
used to you and Rich together DP. I thank him
today for the way he handled that, you know what
I mean. I was trying to I talked to Big
he and we can't. I was looking for his number.
I just wanted to reach out to him again because
(22:22):
when you see the documentary, it makes you think and
relive all of it and and you think about how
important that moment was and the way he handled it
for me and to still be at this moment at
end of my life. So it makes you want to
reach out and just just tell him thank you again.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Are the Cowboys better this week than last week?
Speaker 6 (22:44):
I can't say that, and and that's why do you.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Think Jerry feels that way?
Speaker 6 (22:51):
That's that's sitting. I say, I can't say that, and
that's a hurting question. And then you ask that question,
and I'm giving you because he's a hurt. Because he's hurting,
that's the answer. You know. I know when I saw this,
I felt his pain in that press conference. I know
the relationship he wanted with Michael. I certainly know the
(23:13):
relationship Michael wanted with Jerry when I did that draft.
I was at that draft. I was by spot. Michael
came up to me and said, I'm going to do
I'm going to do just what you're doing. I'm gonna
be just don't do this. He said this, And then
you'll see after the Cowboys actually draft him, we were
(23:34):
in the back yelling, like god. He wanted to play
for the Cowboys who wanted to win championships, and he
wanted to be doing TV just like me. This is
what he said to me day one of the draft.
Now I know, I know, and he wanted a life
(23:56):
after football, and and and in his business, and do
you think that podcast would have been he was building
one hundred million dollar podcasts as long as he was
playing for the Dallas Cowboys. It's no longer that anymore.
So so I know he got a good deal, which
really comes out to be five years, forty two million
(24:17):
a year, but a great deal, a great deal, and
and and he got the money. But I still say
it's a failure, certainly for the Cowboys. But but I
I think for him also. And then you did like,
like what your boy said better for his agent than
what's best for him.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, and you it feels like he still is a
cowboy in his mind, like he wanted to be a cowboy.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Yeah, and and and and and and the agent who
does a great job came on when on our Boys
show yesterday, Steven and he said, he said, Michael wanted
to be a Dallas cowboy. And your next statement is
nothing boyant to me. Everything else is another boy because
you're job. You blew your job. I don't want to
(25:03):
hear you tell me I got I raised the number
by five million dollars. That's new money, new year. That's
future value, not present value. Because we're starting right here,
even though it's only a year later, but then it's
five year. Did forty two million? Will you could have
worked out a deal where Michael's taking home more money.
(25:25):
You could have worked out of deal and they should
have put the egos aside and got that deal worked out.
The number one thing he said was Michael wanted to
be a Dallas cowboy. That's your job to go get
the most money from the Dallas Cowboys. That was your job,
and they failed at it. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
And it felt like Jerry his feelings are hurt, and
you're not going to talk to me that way. I
get deals done. I've made deals all my life. That's
how I got here. Who are you to tell me
to stick that contract you know up my rear end?
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Yeah? But also but also but oh so I understand that.
I understand. I don't care how Jerry reacts. It is
how you reacts to Jerry's reactions. And with Steven A asked,
he said, do you try to send a contract? He said,
I told him yeah, he said, he said yes, he
(26:19):
said yes. He said, I said to Adam, if you
guys think I'm going to rubber stamp it. Don't sing that.
That shouldn't even come out of your mouth. Send a contract,
go it over, red line in the contract. What you
did not like, Put your numbers in and send it back.
You are in for a negotiation. I mean, Jerry may
(26:42):
have said, well, he said shove it up it, but
he said he never said that I can buy that.
But then on the other end, I'm must extrapolate from
him that there's no way he just said. I told
him I'm not going rubber stamp it. If you guys
were already the heated moment, so yeah, yeah, you should
have taken that contract and negotiated. That's my thought. That's
(27:05):
my thought. I got my opinion, you know, and if
if Michaels and everybody happy, then I'm okay with it.
But I just thought he wanted to be here.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Michael Irvin, Hall of Famer, three times Super Bowl champ.
How's Dion doing?
Speaker 6 (27:20):
You know how Dion is doing? Leon, Dion had a
game he could have won the other night. He had
that game that was a big game.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
So wise, health wise, health wise, he's great.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Health Wise, he's great. Health wise, He's in the best
place he could be that's right back on the sideline
with his guy. I told you, Dan, when I went
to see him and he was really at his lowest.
All he talked about to me, which was amazing, was
you know, I haven't seen my players. I haven't seen
my players. And I told him it reminded me, Well,
(27:52):
my dad was very sick and went to the doctor
and and all he was thinking about was his family.
You know, it tells you the power and how powerful
that time the man is is that, you know? So
so yeah, you know he feels it was like that
thinking only about his players when he was at his
lords and now his players are probably healing low. Yeah,
(28:13):
you know how he feels right now, But healthwise he's healthy.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
If I told you that you could pick, he had
to pick Miami Hurricanes win the National title or the
Cowboys win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
I would take. I would take the team that have
already won a championship with, you know whatever, a team
I've already won a championship with that, that's the team
I picked.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
So he'd picked the Cowboys. I won a championship in
both teams.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Don't try don't try to come that did that ain't
the first time one time Miami, a team from Florida
came up here to play a team in Texas. You know,
in high school football. I was on the sideline. They
were trying to pin me what state you're going for?
I feel the state. I want a championship that would.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Go You know what I'm saying, How how do the
Eagles not go back to the Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (29:23):
Man? I mean, first of all, they have a great team.
They have a great team, and it's going to take
someone to go take it because they won't give it.
Because he's a great leader in Jalen hurts Man, the
way he just go about his business. And the best thing,
the best thing happened to that team. And I'm not
talking about for his ability to run the football. I'm
(29:45):
talking about for his ability to run himself his way,
his personality. Was Saquon Barkley coming over and showing that
kind of leadership to the A. J. Browns and the
Avante Smith that it ain't about us individually, it's about
us collectively. And now, yeah, now they're dangerous. They are
(30:09):
the favorites and you gotta go take it from them.
The only way they lose it is if they lose
that glue. That glue is Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
How often do you talk to Troy?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (30:22):
I told Hi, Truck quite a bit. I saw him
the last couple a couple of weeks. We had a
couple of things we were doing together, like you know,
of course I had them on my podcast and on
our YouTube channel, and then we had we went to
Jimmy's retirement party. You know that. I mean, we selected
in Jimmy's retirement party from Fox. So so yeah, we
get out, we get around and get to talk. But
(30:43):
we all do and and also, you know, Dann, that's
the great thing. We're still all best boys and still
hanging around and still talking football and get to talk
about what's going on now with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
But Troy didn't socialize you with you back in the
day with the ow Boys.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
He No, Dan, that's a nice question, well asked, because
I appreciate your respect for Troy. An. No, Troy never
came to the White House, did he. That's what you
tried to get to.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Well, wasn't Troy dating Sandra Buller back then?
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Hey? Troy never? Did you know Troy was one of
them rare raiders? Boy? Hey, I told they'll tell you. Troy. Hey,
Troy came home and nigging people in his house. He
called the police. That's what Troy does. He was the
right kind of guy.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I was like, well, but wasn't he Was he dating
Sandra Bullock at one point?
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yeah, well I don't. I don't remember if it was
Sandra Bullet but you know, yeah, you know I didn't
do that thing on Instagram or something on the social
media when he said the women you did. Yes, right,
he's the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Was cowboy.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
All right? For you? Tru with you all blonde hair,
blue eyes and bl that's shopping. You know, all try
to get me in trouble, Dad, but.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
You know, no, no, you get you get yourself in trouble.
I'm not trying.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
It's okay now, I don't really got a job right now,
give me trouble. It's all good.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Great to talk to you, Irv. Great to talk to him.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
I missed you too, DP, I missed you too. Man.
I'm glad to see you doing well still, my brother.
You just keep pounding away. Thank you, man, God bless you.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Michael Irvin won a national championship at the U in
nineteen eighty seven. Wasn't he the eleventh overall pick? Just
like Michael Parsons? Does that sound right?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
This is both the eleventh overall pick. Is Mike still there? Mike?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Were you you the eleventh?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Left eleven? I think what Mike the micro Quesson going fourteenth?
Some wasn't know who wore eleven.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
He wore eleven.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
But I think because he dropped in his draft or something,
and and and I told him, you don't drop to
the Cowboys. You are placed to the Cowboys. God, God
s now. Now you know, now this has happened. You
shouldn't have left that placement. But that's what I told.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
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Speaker 2 (33:46):
I come in today and I see the LA Clippers
are trending, and I go, what first week is September?
Speaker 5 (33:54):
What James Harden shaved his beard?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And I don't think that's why they're trending, And and
I realize they're trending for a bad reason. Pablo Tory
Pablo Tory finds out podcast Metal arc Media and the
Athletic Contributor.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
To pardon the interruption.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
All right, summarize your report on the Clippers, Steve Balmer
and Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Hello, Dan, we got to stop meeting like this. It's
always it's always something when we get together. You may
recall how in twenty nineteen the NBA investigated the signing
of Kawhi Leonard by the Clippers. This was the Uncle
Dennis story, him asking for all the sweeteners, the side deals.
This was the Lakers, the Raptors, very mad, lots of teams,
very mad. NBA investigates says, this is a cardinal sin.
(34:40):
Salary caps are convention, but they find nothing.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Today.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
We have given something, I dare say to anybody who
cares about this stuff, and the stuff here is kind
of wild. This is a story that started because of
a company called Aspiration, which no one really remembers in fairness,
but they had signed some of the most famous people
in the world to be endorsers. Leonardo DiCaprio, Drake, Robert
(35:07):
Downey Junior, Cindy Crawford, Cindy Crawford's daughter, all people who
endorsed this climate change company that planted trees to zero
out your carbon footprint like good guys, only for those
same good guys to have since been embroiled in what
has been a concurrent Department of Justice and SEC investigations
(35:29):
that have resulted in guilty please by one of the
co founders of the company, a prominent Democratic politician and
donor named Joe Sandberg, who happens to have also been
a buddy of Steve Bomber and Steve Bomber. In this story,
we establish and report, using over three thousand documents and
seven sources from inside the company, put in fifty million
(35:50):
dollars of his own money into Aspiration. Very long lined up.
I apologize for taking so long. Here's the punchline. The
endorsement deal that was the biggest that Aspiration signed given
all those A List avengers, happened to be Kawhi Leonard
twenty eight million dollars, more than four times the rest
of the celebrity roster combined.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
And the kicker, you.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
Might argue, is that he didn't do anything. It was
a no show job, did nothing, wasn't obligated to do anything,
which we can explain if you want, But the point being,
it was a secret deal that no one knew about
until now.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
NBA have anything to say yet.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
Not yet, not yet, I should say, Steve Bomber and
the Clippers when we asked them for comment, they said
that this was provably false, that they denied it. They
did not know at the time that we had over
three thousand pages of documents and seven sources. I look
forward to the improving the falsehoods that they allege. I
can tell you though, from the NBA perspective, what I've
been told this morning is that it's been a bit
(36:50):
of panic over there. I'm told that they did not
know about this deal between Steve Bomber, or at the
very least between Aspiration and Kawhi Leonard, with the influence
of Steve Bomber, according to our reporting, being the driving
force of it. So yeah, it's going to get a
little messy dan over there.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
I think what rule did the Clippers break?
Speaker 8 (37:14):
So salary caps or convention is something that the NBA
has decided to in previous statements state very seriously so.
Kawhi Leonard has only signed max contracts, so signed the
first one coming off of Toronto. The extension in twenty
twenty one, is what lines up with the timeline here
that we are explaining the twenty eight million dollars above
and beyond the max deal he signed. He signed another
(37:36):
extension just last year. And so the thing here is,
and this is I think a bit of the character study.
Steve Bomber is the richest owner in all of sports
in the world. He's the sixth richest man on the planet.
And so if you know anything about how the Clippers
have operated, right the intuit dough a building, as he says,
(37:56):
built in his own image for hardcore basketball fans like him,
using personal private money, no taxpayer of funds. He is
a guy who's expanded his front office, hired a zillion people.
Because that is uncapped, he can spend all of the
money on that. But the most important thing this hardcore
basketball fan needed, of course, taking over the team from
noted bad guy Donald Sterling is a franchise superstar. And
(38:20):
so the rule alleged to have been broken here is
that cardinal rule you gotta stay within the salary cap
for your actual players. And seven sources say that was
deliberately what was not done.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
But was there a way that they could They could
argue that Kawhi Leonard did represent the company. He was
a name that was attached like, I'm just looking at
if I'm the Clippers, how do I get deniability?
Speaker 8 (38:45):
Yeah, it's hard. It's hard because typically, you know, there's
this funny phrase in courtrooms. Hear like, you know, the absence.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Of evidence is not evidence.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
Well, in this case, he was endorsing a company, and
the absence of evidence is the absence of any endorsement,
no tweets, no retweets, no favorites, no likes, no appearances,
no nothing according to the Internet, according to the sources,
we have nothing. And so the absence of evidence happens
(39:15):
to be in this very narrow but meaningful way the evidence.
And they might say, well, Steve Bomber didn't know about this.
But here is now where I think all of this
becomes a bit of an IQ test because what I
haven't mentioned that we get to in the story is
that Aspiration was not merely some random company. Aspiration on
media Day of twenty twenty one, and you can go
(39:36):
to the press conference footage and find it, they are
announced as this founding sponsor of the Los Angeles Clippers.
They are signage everywhere. Back of your court side seat
says Aspiration Dan, they were going to get the Jersey Patch.
The company collapsed into ruin and disgrace before they got there,
but that was the agreement.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
It was announced.
Speaker 8 (39:56):
They're headlines everywhere you can find them. You can see
the video, well, Steve Bomber right next to the guy
who pled guilty to two counts of wire fraud just
two weeks ago. So you can say we didn't know
about this, But then the IQ test is, and this
is another bit of reporting. Then why and this is
according to the sources who are on tape, the one
(40:17):
source we have who agreed to go on tape with
voice modulation because of the federal investigations that are ongoing
and concurrent in their experience, Uncle Dennis was calling as
the company was declining and unable to pay its bills,
was calling saying pay us. And inside of Aspiration, what
is very clear is that the number one priority, that
(40:39):
is a quote, the number one priority for this collapsing
fake Green bank was you gotta pay Kawhi Leonard. As
bankruptcy was on the horizon, as no one could pay
their bills, as no one else was getting paid, Kawhi
was getting paid. And the question I ask you is,
why was he priority number one for doing nothing at
a company that could not pay its bills. It would
(41:01):
seem that there was some influence from behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Pablo Tory, it's Pablo Tory finds out podcast Metal Art
Media and the Athletic.
Speaker 6 (41:11):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Joe Smith Timberwolves? What was that five first round draft
picks that they were docked? I mean, if this is
all true, I got to believe that precedent has been
set here.
Speaker 8 (41:25):
Pablo, Oh, oh, yeah, Look there's a history lesson here, right,
Joe Smith and Glenn Taylor. Glenn Taylor the piece of
paper they wrote off the books number one overall pick,
getting that side deal five picks. Glenn Taylor was suspended.
Kevin McHale, the GM of the team twenty five years
ago at the time, was put on leave. Fines were levied,
(41:46):
millions of dollars were levied. But I would say that
there's a difference here. And Mark Stein tweeted this out
helpfully because I defer to people who've been covering this
stuff even longer than me when it comes to well
how does this play out? He said, it is staggering
and unprecedented. What is being alleged in our reporting, and
so you could argue, at least Stein argues, this is
(42:08):
more than the Joe Smith story, right, This is actually
far more sophisticated and yet stupid at the same time,
given everything that I just gave a long wind up on.
And look, man, Dan, i'm you, and I I love
by the way that you care about these stories, because
I don't know if anybody really does with your level
of providence in your platform in that way. But how
(42:31):
this sausage gets made behind the scenes with owners and leagues.
Steve Bomber is the richest owner in all sports, and
Adam Silver's boss. Right, So this is not a real
justice system in the NBA. This is a business deal
they got to strike. How do you punish your own boss?
What are the other bosses, the twenty nine others you have?
(42:52):
What do they have to say about it? It's a
fascinating parlor game what the punishment ends up being.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
And we don't know if those other owners have their
own little shell game going. I don't know how in
your reporting, if you know you're stumbling upon other owners
who you know, because people love to talk once the
first you know person gets outed. Now all of a sudden,
it feels like it's safe to out other people.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
Yeah, the difference here, And by the way, it's funny,
like my tip line has never been more more uh
used by by enemies of Jalen Brunson, right, like a
look into look into that one, right as well as
you know James, is.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
There something in there with Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Well, look how he arrived at the next that this
is where I will have to defer to the reporting
I may or may not do on this certainly was interesting, right, Like, Okay,
that's a pretty good deal for the next has some whatever. Anyway,
I don't want to get ahead of myself in terms
of it.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
That's a tease. That's a tease.
Speaker 8 (43:50):
It's a bit of a tease. Yeah, I'm trying a
little ankle with you. I always show a little bit
more ankle than I. But but by the way, subscribe,
like to subscribe. But but the thing about how often
this happens is a really fascinating question, because I would
argue that it doesn't happen to this scale and with
this level of documentation, which is only enabled because of
(44:11):
the collapse of this fraudulent company. The other stuff look historically, right,
I was. I was assuming because I'm maybe dumb, like
you would give a stock tip or something right like,
have someone else, you know, be multiple degrees away. You
wouldn't do it through a company that has its signage
on your building. But that's what our sources say is
(44:34):
exactly the thing that happened, and so in that way
kind of of its own. As as Stein was alluding.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
To, good to talk to you again, I'll talk to
you with the Jalen Brunson story. Whenever that comes out, Pablo.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
You'll you'll get you'll get some kneecap. Thank you that level. Yeah,
it might be moving to thigh after that. Thank you, Pablo, Pablo,
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Kyle Brand, popular co host Good Morning Football, got a
new show. The debuts today, NFL Classic Sits upon further review.
You'll find it at nine eastern on Vice TV, Michael
Irvin and EMMITTT. Smith breaking down the Cowboys nineteen ninety
five NFC Championship game. You can also see Kyle Good
(00:26):
Morning Football, Good to see you again. How'd you come
about deciding to do this?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Normally, Dan, I would say I collaborated with my friends
and put something together.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
They came to me and they said, here's an idea
for a show. You want to do it. I felt
like you hear these actors say. I finally got to
stop auditioning. I just got an offer. This was my
first offer. It sounded perfect. I said yes, I'll take it,
and ten minutes later, I'm sitting there with Irvan and
walked to the ninety five title game.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
That's the origin story.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I did NBA's Greatest Games years and years ago at
NBA TV, and we'd have Bill Walton come in and
he would sit there and watch a game with you.
Isaiah Thomas came in and it's just fun because Isaiah
started crying during you know, looking back on the game,
Walton just couldn't stop talking. You know, you get these
(01:18):
guys that they look back and all of a sudden
they open up the scrap book and it's the emotion
that hits them that you might not be ready for
because to you, it was a game you're watching. To them,
it was the game they were playing in.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
And I think that's insightful. And what you get is.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
When you're not just watching highlights, like I've seen Joe
Montana talk about the catch a thousand times and he
tells the story from start to finish. When you actually
watch the game with the ebbs and flows and the
bad plays, well found out when I ended up happening Dan,
that was so funny. It was I was watching the
Titans Rams Super Bowl and the Titans are marching down
the field and it's Steve McNair and I'm with Cedric
(01:56):
the entertainer from Saint Louis and Kurt Warner, and they
were both nervous that the Rams were gonna lose. They
were on the edge of their seat and you start
to watch it, even though you know, you say, Kevin
Dyson's gonna score.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
I know it.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
They have too much momentum, and you can watch them
start to sweat all over again. So it's funny and
it's candid, but in multiple episodes I saw actual fear
from guys knowing full well they win, still thinking they
would lose.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What's the one episode though, that you got something that
you didn't realize.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
There's a lot of them. I would actually stick with
this episode. This This is the again the Titans ninety
nine Rams versus the Titans. This is the coolest thing
about this, Dan, because we've looked at this game for
a quarter century and Mike Jones makes the tackle on
the one yard line and the Rams win. But here's
the what if. The question is the Titans were down seven,
if they score that touchdown, does Jeff Fisher go for
(02:50):
two to win it right there? And Fisher's gone back
and forth over the years. I would have I wouldn't
have Eddie George of Sam we would have got it.
Everybody on the Rams defense is saying they would have
got it. We were out of gas, We've been battling
all game. We could have gotten, as fans, a win
the Super Bowl two point conversion play, which we've never
(03:11):
gotten before. And again you talked to Kurt about that,
he's helpless. He's standing on the sideline behind Dick Vermeil,
who's ready to celebrate. The tackle at the one yard
line could have given us the greatest finish ever in
a two point conversion.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
We'll still never know if they would have gone for it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I was fortunate when the Steelers played Arizona and we
thought Arizona was going to win the Super Bowl. Now
I'm handing out the trophy. So I'm on the sidelines
and I'm standing next to Steve Young. So Steve is
doing analysis on Ben's final drive. So we're walking down
the sidelines and he's now he's part quarterback but part fan,
(03:50):
and he would be He said, you don't understand, like
this is incredible. He was so excited, and it's one
of the greatest moments I've ever had in this in
my career because because I'm watching with a Hall of Famer,
we're watching Ben lead this drive that's going to win
a Super Bowl, and those are that's why you sign
up for this, because we are fans and we want
(04:12):
to enjoy. You know, it's still our job to be,
you know, a host, analytical.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
But that's where you go County. This is awesome, awesome,
And that was years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
They watched that game with Steve Young, and I can
tell you remember it like it was yesterday. When when
you really when you're talking to the athletes, and it's
not over zoom, it's not on the phone, it's it's
when they're watching themselves work. So many different emotions come out, like,
for example, the Cowboys are really hot right now. In media,
I was sitting and I'm watching the ninety five title game.
This is Cowboys versus Packers. It's Apman versus FIV, and
(04:44):
I'm with EMMT and Irvin. It's the episode that we
start the show with. We talked for over an hour,
and I don't think they said the name Barry Switzer
one time.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Between them, they.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Said Jimmy Johnson Dan probably thirty times. My takeaway was
Jimmy Johnson was the coach of that team. He had
been removed for years. And Barry Switzer, God bless him.
These guys did not want to say the word. They
avoided the word even when I asked about it. I
just think Jimmy was still the head coach, and the
emotions came out for those.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Two talking to Kyle Brant, NFL Network, Good Morning Football,
NFL Classics upon further review tonight at nine Eastern on
Vice TV, and Michael Irvan Emmett Smith with the first episode.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Fans can't get to you when.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
You're hosting Good Morning Football, like they can call into
the show. Where they can you know, they can text
or tweet the show. But you know, I'm already getting
catching strays because I was critical of the Browns and Saints,
you know, just the odds of them making the playoffs
or going to the super Bowl. How do fans get
to you to let you know they don't like what
(05:48):
you said?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Oh, well, you're putting this on right in the wheelhouse.
We just made playoff picks yesterday. Here's the ones that
I like them. I like the fan bases that you
picked their team of the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
But it's only a wildcard and not a didial.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I'm getting screamed at by of all people, I'm getting
screamed at by Lions fans because they only won the
wild card.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Is there a more nouveau reach thing than that?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Somebody drive in a yellow Corvette because they won the lottery,
and they're already complaining that they're only a wild card.
The Lions fans would have cut off a finger for
a wild card five years ago. And they hate me
on social media because I dare to give them not
the division championship.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
It's nuts.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I'm gonna make you program director for the NFL. You picked,
let's do it. You picked the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
If i'm if I'm programmed director for human beings and
all of humanity, and in the time of AI we
need some of this, then that one's easy. Just just
give me Buffalo versus Detroit and someone can be happy.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
All right, that's you get those fans together.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's hugging. It's cats and dogs living together. Somebody wins.
But if I'm gonna be the NFL programmer, and I'm
going to try to do it at the bottom line, and
I'm gonna spike ratings, Dan can I also picked the
halftime performer. Sure I have the Chiefs are in the
Super Bowl again, Taylor's the halftime performer. And then in
(07:16):
the NFC, we can't do Philadelphia. It's Dallas. It's Dallas
versus Kansas City and they have the story of the
year has been that Jerry Jones suckered us all and
Micah wasn't when Micah was cracked up to be and
he's back and he's against Taylor and she's doing love
story and everybody's crying. It's Chiefs Cowboys in San Francisco,
where the Cowboys have a lot of history.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I think there's a better chance that Taylor Swift does
halftime than the Cowboys get there.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I think actually at this point, I think the Super
Bowl halftime show is beneath Taylor Swift. I think that
she is way bigger than it. And I may say
that as an NFL employee. I think she's bigger than it.
And I think you're right. I think it's still more
likely that she does it and goes a three hour
set before the Cowboys do it. I said lines fans,
I'm trying to figure out, Dan, why are you hearing
(08:08):
from Saints and Browns fans?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
What do they have to complain about?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
They don't want to be told. Do you want to
have false hope on September third? You don't want to
hear the voice saying, yeah, Vegas says, you guys have
the best dodge for the number one pick in the draft,
or Vegas says that you guys have the longest odds
to reach the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
They don't want to hear it. They know it's true,
they don't want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I think they should hear it. There's nothing wrong with that,
at least after a Week one.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
If you lose Week one, then they'll be calling the
show being like, when are you going to start doing
mock drafts.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I can't believe that. Saints and Browns, let's go.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
There are more teams you think can reach the super Bowl,
or more teams who can't make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I think there's a lot of teams that could reach
the super Bowl this year.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
You have the normal headliners that you think of, of
course this team, that team, and then you have these
teams that aren't the the neon lights, like teams that
are built for a super Bowl, like like Tampa Bay
for example. Who have the coach, you have the quarterback.
I don't mind the Rams. Again, I always look at
the coaches. I don't mind the Chargers, Like the only
thing people can say against the Chargers is they lost
(09:15):
the linemen.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
It sucks.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I know he got hurt. I just look at Jim
Harbone and look at the quarterback. We're in this this
weekend where there's this there's this sweepstakes Kentucky Derby type
thing here in sports media where everyone gives their picks
and everyone has to be right and everyone's trying to
hack the system. I have a few simple guidelines that
I go by, first and foremost, always, always, always pick
the Steelers in the Bengo card. They're the free space.
(09:38):
You get that one for free. The rest are up
to you. I always pick the Rams because I believe
Sean McVay is the best coach.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
In the league. And then just look at coaches.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Just pick veteran, proven coaches and the guys who have
been there before, and they'll get you home. So I
think there's a lot of teams that can make the
super Bowl this year, because then you get those tasty
ones like a few years ago Joe Burrow and the
Bengals in his second year, and then you like, oh
look at all the second year quarterbacks. You got him
across the board. One of those teams could make a run.
Because I think for quarterbacks. Now year two, the year
(10:08):
is new year five, so all those guys are in
the freight too.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It's almost like March Madness, where you always picked tom
Izzo in Michigan State because it's tom Izzo, or you
pick John Caliperry, Rick Pacino. You're picking the coaches, you know,
Jim Beaheim, You're picking the coaches who are always going
to be there. You went to the Steelers camp. Yeah,
Hel's morale great.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
I mean, I say this pretty candidly. It was odd.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I sat with Mike Tomlin as someone who spent the
entire offseason saying that he should be replaced.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
And so I respected that he's still sat down.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
But I've been the guy saying Mike Tomlin is at
the point that Andy Reid was with the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
There's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's gonna benefit both parties, the part who'll land somewhere else.
And then you show up to camp and I have
to tell you, Dad, I've never sat with him before.
It's every single thing you ever hope was. There's gravitas,
there's magnetism, there's insights. He looks at you, he shakes
your hand, heart and everything he say, you just kind
of nod even though some of its cliches. And then
I say to him, all right, He's like, we got
(11:11):
some veterans here. I got to teach an old dog
new tricks. And I said, well, you have the oldest dog
in the league. Your quarterback's forty one. He laughs. Rogers
sits down, fantastic, positive vibe, super happy.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Gets married in the off season. I presented him with
that question because there.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Was a lot of I don't know, internet rumors and
intrigued that Aaron Rodgers, you just showed up and got married.
You're a public figure we've been following for years. I
presented him with information that I said, Aaron, I did
the research. Players in this generation who get married in
the off season go on to have an overwhelmingly successful
next season. Across the board. It always happens. How is
this affecting you as a football player? And he goes
(11:49):
into this deep dive answer about how his life is
different and his support system is different and all because
of her, and all because of her. Meanwhile, the rumors
online about what this could be are on planet Mars,
and he just locks in and says, I'm playing this
season for us. So he's unique, he's unusual. He's still
my favorite player to interview, and his vibe was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I give you credit that you came at it with
a different angle, because that's that's the tough part. And
you know, being a great interviewer, it's about what is
my angle that's going to be different because you want
them to realize that you did your homework and that
you did give this great thought instead of saying, hey
he got married.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Huh yeah, yeah, he's not.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Going to give you. You got to work. You know,
there's certain athletes that you just have to work. They'll
make it worth your while, but you got to work.
And Aaron's one of those guys that he's not going
to listen to foolishness. So I give you a lot
of credit with that.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I appreciate the compliment from you, and it's it's you're
exactly rights. And I did the same thing last week
with Josh Allen. I got to ask him, you can
appreciate this, DN. I got to sit with Josh Allen
for about twelve minutes and I have to somehow ask
him you never can beat the Chiefs. Everyone's talking about it.
It's really the only topic we can talk about you
with football is you can't get over the hump.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Your what is the original way to do that?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And I concocted this thing that was just like, listen,
your wife. In her industry, they have the Oscar speech
and you think about it and you practice in the
mirror and you do it in the shower. Do you
have the super Bowl speech? Is that something you have?
And he went and he went said, I had it
since I was a kid. I know every word, I
know the tone, I know all of that, and I
could tell a palpable appreciation that I wasn't just like,
(13:28):
how about these chiefs?
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I guess you're patriots for Manning? And he actually gave
a creative answer, So I was very proud.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
The pressure on Josh Allen, now you won an MVP.
Local pressure, national pressure. Is there any big variation in
those two?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Well, the Buffalo pressure is just mores, just buffalo terror
and fear and just how can we not get one
with this guy? I think the national pressure is the
same it's been for about three years. It's the same
identical pressure on Lamar Jackson, where every road lead that
you're great, you did this but the difference is is
that Josh has played much better in the playoffs than
(14:07):
Lamar is. So Josh's narrative is they got to get
him help nationally. But I have to say, I asked
him point blank about you are looked at as this
new Peyton manny, and how do you deal with that.
Everything you do in the community, in the locker room,
you carry a burden with you, and the burden.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Is Josh has to bring home the big one.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
He said, I don't think about it, and I'm like, yo,
come on, you think about it. He said, if it
doesn't happen, I'll be okay with that because I know
I'm doing everything I possibly can. This is a guy
who is twenty nine, he's three hundred million bucks, he
just married a movie star. He references her. I've en
herew Josh Allen twenty five times. I have never heard
him reference God as much as he did, which I
(14:47):
think is a very good thing and shows he's onto
new deals. So he flat out said, I'm going all in.
If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen, so I don't
worry about it. It's his plan.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I find it interesting that you have baseball pitchers who
are really good in the regular season, yeah, and not
good in the postseason. You know, Greg Maddox wasn't great.
You know, Clayton Kershaw had his homits by their Hall
of Fame pitchers. And you have quarterbacks. Lamar Jackson is
kind of built for the regular season, Josh Allen regular season,
it's that big game where Mahomes is built for both.
(15:19):
But now I think he's more built for the postseason
than the regular season.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
I just I find that interesting with.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
And I don't know if it's you know, I'm kind
of pushing or stretching for something, but it just feels
like some quarterbacks love live like Brady, I don't know
any of his stats.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
From the regular season.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I don't I don't like the one season where you know,
he had Randy Moss. But I just knew when he
got to the postseason, he's going to win the game.
If he's got the ball three minutes, two minutes ago,
he's winning the game. Mahomes has graduated to that level
certain guys where you go, oh boy, this is bad,
but they are built for that moment.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
How do you explain that?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
It's I know exactly what you mean, there's certain guys
on the flip side that when it's this, that's third
and twelve is coming up, and I just I know
this is not gonna go well, and then it's a
pick six. And it's not that the guys aren't talented.
Like listen to the Peyton thing that goes back to
college when he couldn't beat the Gators. He just couldn't
do it, no matter how good he was. You mentioned
Clayton Kershaw. I remember when they were calling him Clayton
Manning because he would get to October and he would
(16:23):
just fall apart. There's certain guys, and I listen you
talk about fan complaints and people getting mad. Baltimore Regan
stands are very sensitive about Lamar. I mean very sensitive,
and I get it. He is their guy. My always
put it as Lamar is the fantastic, fantastic regular season player.
He doesn't play his A game in the playoffs. He
doesn't play the D. He plays the B or B
(16:45):
plus and the best ones hit their A game in
the playoffs, and so he has turnovers. He'll do this,
he'll do that, And I'm not saying he's bad, but
only certain guys, like the ones you referenced out of nowhere.
Sometimes can just get to that a game and certain
guys can't.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Good luck with the show and and your day job too.
At Good Morning Football. Great to talk to you again.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
It's great to see you anywhere other than the sports
I means where I usually see.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
You, and we never win.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I know, we were both like peeking in, like, Okay,
who's gonna win.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
It's not us. Okay, drive home safely.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I wish I could. You're so dead. I wish I
could tell the fans.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Dan is literally in the last row, like throw five thousand,
there's no one behind him. I saw Fritzy and me
and as they're reading our award, we basically have our
ballet ticket.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
In our hands.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
My car was running just to let you know, like
I am out of here. Thank you, Good to talk
to you.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
That's Kyle Brant, NFL Network, Good Morning Football, and his
new show tonight at nine eastern on Vice TV. It's
called NFL Classics Upon further review with Michael Irvan, who
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Speaker 5 (17:57):
Take a break.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
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Speaker 1 (18:02):
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Speaker 2 (18:42):
He is the playmaker. He's IRV, three time Super Bowl champ,
and he is a Hall of Famer, and he is
a proud member of the You he was on the sidelines, Mike,
you were more excited than the players during that Notre
Dame game.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Well, I don't know about that, DP because I certainly
certainly didn't put in the work that they put in.
But then listen, I know I know I'm approaching you know,
sixty years old. Those are young men playing, just having fun.
It's my job to let them know these are the
(19:17):
greatest times of your life. Don't let these slip away.
You're writing your history and go right. Well, so you
could be an old man like me and remin this
well later, you know what I'm saying. But it was
it's so great to be out there with those guys
then and be able to feel like you're part of something,
(19:37):
you know what I mean. They look at me, they say, oh,
we love it with you here, man, and you know
it's just yeah, that does things for me, man. So
so I enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
What was it like to watch the Cowboy documentary when
you're reopening a scrap book there?
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Well, yeah, that was It was easy for me because
it was my life. I walked out and I live
on it, live in my head with it all the
time anyway, you know. And and then it was time
to really open up and share about a lot of things.
The world has moved forward and changed, and now you
can use your history to try to help somebody have
(20:15):
a better destiny if you can, if you open up
and share. So that's what I thought it was time
to do and in the documentary, and I thought they
did a great job. I thought they did a great
job in shooting it and allowing people to share and
try to straighten out some of the stories you know
that always get greater later and turning their lives. You
(20:35):
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Okay, what's the one story that you wanted to correct?
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Well, well, I don't want to say I want to correct,
but like you're you're the guy that's old that boys
would be boys books walking around like I took prepare
of stuitters that just walked up and stab Everett mcgiver
and the neck and stuff like that, even though it
was all wrong. But that's not what happened. You know,
we we were we weren't getting hair, haircut and everything,
(21:04):
and actually I was getting my ass kicked. You see
what I'm saying. I was really getting my ass kicking,
and in order to try to defend myself, I did
something stupid, you know, stuff like that. But and we
were out drinking, and we were out drinking before that.
We were all and I was what I was doing
(21:26):
was reving the line in the Young Lineman, just like
I did with Big Ee, just like we did with
Larry Allen to make sure they're ready when it's time.
He was the new guy coming in. We were like,
come on, new guy, you're the new guy, you know,
things like that. And we had alreadysked some drinks prior
to that, I think, and then Big Ee was messing
(21:47):
with him, telling me, come on, now, you ain't gonna
let that little little say something. You like that, right
every and then he came, yeah, he was whooping by
butt there.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Right for wait, so then you grab the scissors.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Yeah? Yeah, And I shouldn't have done that. I shouldn't
have done that. And I thank him today though, Rich.
I mean, I'm gonna call you Rich because I'm so
used to you and Rich together DP. I thank him
today for the way he handled that, you know what
I mean. I was trying to I talked to Big
he and we can't. I was looking for his number.
I just wanted to reach out to him again because
(22:22):
when you see the documentary, it makes you think and
relive all of it and and you think about how
important that moment was and the way he handled it
for me and to still be at this moment at
end of my life. So it makes you want to
reach out and just just tell him thank you again.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Are the Cowboys better this week than last week?
Speaker 6 (22:44):
I can't say that, and and that's why do you.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Think Jerry feels that way?
Speaker 6 (22:51):
That's that's sitting. I say, I can't say that, and
that's a hurting question. And then you ask that question,
and I'm giving you because he's a hurt. Because he's hurting,
that's the answer. You know. I know when I saw this,
I felt his pain in that press conference. I know
the relationship he wanted with Michael. I certainly know the
(23:13):
relationship Michael wanted with Jerry when I did that draft.
I was at that draft. I was by spot. Michael
came up to me and said, I'm going to do
I'm going to do just what you're doing. I'm gonna
be just don't do this. He said this, And then
you'll see after the Cowboys actually draft him, we were
(23:34):
in the back yelling, like god. He wanted to play
for the Cowboys who wanted to win championships, and he
wanted to be doing TV just like me. This is
what he said to me day one of the draft.
Now I know, I know, and he wanted a life
(23:56):
after football, and and and in his business, and do
you think that podcast would have been he was building
one hundred million dollar podcasts as long as he was
playing for the Dallas Cowboys. It's no longer that anymore.
So so I know he got a good deal, which
really comes out to be five years, forty two million
(24:17):
a year, but a great deal, a great deal, and
and and he got the money. But I still say
it's a failure, certainly for the Cowboys. But but I
I think for him also. And then you did like,
like what your boy said better for his agent than
what's best for him.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, and you it feels like he still is a
cowboy in his mind, like he wanted to be a cowboy.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Yeah, and and and and and and the agent who
does a great job came on when on our Boys
show yesterday, Steven and he said, he said, Michael wanted
to be a Dallas cowboy. And your next statement is
nothing boyant to me. Everything else is another boy because
you're job. You blew your job. I don't want to
(25:03):
hear you tell me I got I raised the number
by five million dollars. That's new money, new year. That's
future value, not present value. Because we're starting right here,
even though it's only a year later, but then it's
five year. Did forty two million? Will you could have
worked out a deal where Michael's taking home more money.
(25:25):
You could have worked out of deal and they should
have put the egos aside and got that deal worked out.
The number one thing he said was Michael wanted to
be a Dallas cowboy. That's your job to go get
the most money from the Dallas Cowboys. That was your job,
and they failed at it. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
And it felt like Jerry his feelings are hurt, and
you're not going to talk to me that way. I
get deals done. I've made deals all my life. That's
how I got here. Who are you to tell me
to stick that contract you know up my rear end?
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Yeah? But also but also but oh so I understand that.
I understand. I don't care how Jerry reacts. It is
how you reacts to Jerry's reactions. And with Steven A asked,
he said, do you try to send a contract? He said,
I told him yeah, he said, he said yes, he
(26:19):
said yes. He said, I said to Adam, if you
guys think I'm going to rubber stamp it. Don't sing that.
That shouldn't even come out of your mouth. Send a contract,
go it over, red line in the contract. What you
did not like, Put your numbers in and send it back.
You are in for a negotiation. I mean, Jerry may
(26:42):
have said, well, he said shove it up it, but
he said he never said that I can buy that.
But then on the other end, I'm must extrapolate from
him that there's no way he just said. I told
him I'm not going rubber stamp it. If you guys
were already the heated moment, so yeah, yeah, you should
have taken that contract and negotiated. That's my thought. That's
(27:05):
my thought. I got my opinion, you know, and if
if Michaels and everybody happy, then I'm okay with it.
But I just thought he wanted to be here.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Michael Irvin, Hall of Famer, three times Super Bowl champ.
How's Dion doing?
Speaker 6 (27:20):
You know how Dion is doing? Leon, Dion had a
game he could have won the other night. He had
that game that was a big game.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
So wise, health wise, health wise, he's great.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Health Wise, he's great. Health wise, He's in the best
place he could be that's right back on the sideline
with his guy. I told you, Dan, when I went
to see him and he was really at his lowest.
All he talked about to me, which was amazing, was
you know, I haven't seen my players. I haven't seen
my players. And I told him it reminded me, Well,
(27:52):
my dad was very sick and went to the doctor
and and all he was thinking about was his family.
You know, it tells you the power and how powerful
that time the man is is that, you know? So
so yeah, you know he feels it was like that
thinking only about his players when he was at his
lords and now his players are probably healing low. Yeah,
(28:13):
you know how he feels right now, But healthwise he's healthy.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
If I told you that you could pick, he had
to pick Miami Hurricanes win the National title or the
Cowboys win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
I would take. I would take the team that have
already won a championship with, you know whatever, a team
I've already won a championship with that, that's the team
I picked.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
So he'd picked the Cowboys. I won a championship in
both teams.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Don't try don't try to come that did that ain't
the first time one time Miami, a team from Florida
came up here to play a team in Texas. You know,
in high school football. I was on the sideline. They
were trying to pin me what state you're going for?
I feel the state. I want a championship that would.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Go You know what I'm saying, How how do the
Eagles not go back to the Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (29:23):
Man? I mean, first of all, they have a great team.
They have a great team, and it's going to take
someone to go take it because they won't give it.
Because he's a great leader in Jalen hurts Man, the
way he just go about his business. And the best thing,
the best thing happened to that team. And I'm not
talking about for his ability to run the football. I'm
(29:45):
talking about for his ability to run himself his way,
his personality. Was Saquon Barkley coming over and showing that
kind of leadership to the A. J. Browns and the
Avante Smith that it ain't about us individually, it's about
us collectively. And now, yeah, now they're dangerous. They are
(30:09):
the favorites and you gotta go take it from them.
The only way they lose it is if they lose
that glue. That glue is Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
How often do you talk to Troy?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (30:22):
I told Hi, Truck quite a bit. I saw him
the last couple a couple of weeks. We had a
couple of things we were doing together, like you know,
of course I had them on my podcast and on
our YouTube channel, and then we had we went to
Jimmy's retirement party. You know that. I mean, we selected
in Jimmy's retirement party from Fox. So so yeah, we
get out, we get around and get to talk. But
(30:43):
we all do and and also, you know, Dann, that's
the great thing. We're still all best boys and still
hanging around and still talking football and get to talk
about what's going on now with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
But Troy didn't socialize you with you back in the
day with the ow Boys.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
He No, Dan, that's a nice question, well asked, because
I appreciate your respect for Troy. An. No, Troy never
came to the White House, did he. That's what you
tried to get to.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Well, wasn't Troy dating Sandra Buller back then?
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Hey? Troy never? Did you know Troy was one of
them rare raiders? Boy? Hey, I told they'll tell you. Troy. Hey,
Troy came home and nigging people in his house. He
called the police. That's what Troy does. He was the
right kind of guy.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I was like, well, but wasn't he Was he dating
Sandra Bullock at one point?
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yeah, well I don't. I don't remember if it was
Sandra Bullet but you know, yeah, you know I didn't
do that thing on Instagram or something on the social
media when he said the women you did. Yes, right,
he's the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Was cowboy.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
All right? For you? Tru with you all blonde hair,
blue eyes and bl that's shopping. You know, all try
to get me in trouble, Dad, but.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
You know, no, no, you get you get yourself in trouble.
I'm not trying.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
It's okay now, I don't really got a job right now,
give me trouble. It's all good.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Great to talk to you, Irv. Great to talk to him.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
I missed you too, DP, I missed you too. Man.
I'm glad to see you doing well still, my brother.
You just keep pounding away. Thank you, man, God bless you.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Michael Irvin won a national championship at the U in
nineteen eighty seven. Wasn't he the eleventh overall pick? Just
like Michael Parsons? Does that sound right?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
This is both the eleventh overall pick. Is Mike still there? Mike?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Were you you the eleventh?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Left eleven? I think what Mike the micro Quesson going fourteenth?
Some wasn't know who wore eleven.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
He wore eleven.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
But I think because he dropped in his draft or something,
and and and I told him, you don't drop to
the Cowboys. You are placed to the Cowboys. God, God
s now. Now you know, now this has happened. You
shouldn't have left that placement. But that's what I told.
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Speaker 2 (33:46):
I come in today and I see the LA Clippers
are trending, and I go, what first week is September?
Speaker 5 (33:54):
What James Harden shaved his beard?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And I don't think that's why they're trending, And and
I realize they're trending for a bad reason. Pablo Tory
Pablo Tory finds out podcast Metal arc Media and the
Athletic Contributor.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
To pardon the interruption.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
All right, summarize your report on the Clippers, Steve Balmer
and Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Hello, Dan, we got to stop meeting like this. It's
always it's always something when we get together. You may
recall how in twenty nineteen the NBA investigated the signing
of Kawhi Leonard by the Clippers. This was the Uncle
Dennis story, him asking for all the sweeteners, the side deals.
This was the Lakers, the Raptors, very mad, lots of teams,
very mad. NBA investigates says, this is a cardinal sin.
(34:40):
Salary caps are convention, but they find nothing.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Today.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
We have given something, I dare say to anybody who
cares about this stuff, and the stuff here is kind
of wild. This is a story that started because of
a company called Aspiration, which no one really remembers in fairness,
but they had signed some of the most famous people
in the world to be endorsers. Leonardo DiCaprio, Drake, Robert
(35:07):
Downey Junior, Cindy Crawford, Cindy Crawford's daughter, all people who
endorsed this climate change company that planted trees to zero
out your carbon footprint like good guys, only for those
same good guys to have since been embroiled in what
has been a concurrent Department of Justice and SEC investigations
(35:29):
that have resulted in guilty please by one of the
co founders of the company, a prominent Democratic politician and
donor named Joe Sandberg, who happens to have also been
a buddy of Steve Bomber and Steve Bomber. In this story,
we establish and report, using over three thousand documents and
seven sources from inside the company, put in fifty million
(35:50):
dollars of his own money into Aspiration. Very long lined up.
I apologize for taking so long. Here's the punchline. The
endorsement deal that was the biggest that Aspiration signed given
all those A List avengers, happened to be Kawhi Leonard
twenty eight million dollars, more than four times the rest
of the celebrity roster combined.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
And the kicker, you.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
Might argue, is that he didn't do anything. It was
a no show job, did nothing, wasn't obligated to do anything,
which we can explain if you want, But the point being,
it was a secret deal that no one knew about
until now.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
NBA have anything to say yet.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
Not yet, not yet, I should say, Steve Bomber and
the Clippers when we asked them for comment, they said
that this was provably false, that they denied it. They
did not know at the time that we had over
three thousand pages of documents and seven sources. I look
forward to the improving the falsehoods that they allege. I
can tell you though, from the NBA perspective, what I've
been told this morning is that it's been a bit
(36:50):
of panic over there. I'm told that they did not
know about this deal between Steve Bomber, or at the
very least between Aspiration and Kawhi Leonard, with the influence
of Steve Bomber, according to our reporting, being the driving
force of it. So yeah, it's going to get a
little messy dan over there.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
I think what rule did the Clippers break?
Speaker 8 (37:14):
So salary caps or convention is something that the NBA
has decided to in previous statements state very seriously so.
Kawhi Leonard has only signed max contracts, so signed the
first one coming off of Toronto. The extension in twenty
twenty one, is what lines up with the timeline here
that we are explaining the twenty eight million dollars above
and beyond the max deal he signed. He signed another
(37:36):
extension just last year. And so the thing here is,
and this is I think a bit of the character study.
Steve Bomber is the richest owner in all of sports
in the world. He's the sixth richest man on the planet.
And so if you know anything about how the Clippers
have operated, right the intuit dough a building, as he says,
(37:56):
built in his own image for hardcore basketball fans like him,
using personal private money, no taxpayer of funds. He is
a guy who's expanded his front office, hired a zillion people.
Because that is uncapped, he can spend all of the
money on that. But the most important thing this hardcore
basketball fan needed, of course, taking over the team from
noted bad guy Donald Sterling is a franchise superstar. And
(38:20):
so the rule alleged to have been broken here is
that cardinal rule you gotta stay within the salary cap
for your actual players. And seven sources say that was
deliberately what was not done.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
But was there a way that they could They could
argue that Kawhi Leonard did represent the company. He was
a name that was attached like, I'm just looking at
if I'm the Clippers, how do I get deniability?
Speaker 8 (38:45):
Yeah, it's hard. It's hard because typically, you know, there's
this funny phrase in courtrooms. Hear like, you know, the absence.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Of evidence is not evidence.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
Well, in this case, he was endorsing a company, and
the absence of evidence is the absence of any endorsement,
no tweets, no retweets, no favorites, no likes, no appearances,
no nothing according to the Internet, according to the sources,
we have nothing. And so the absence of evidence happens
(39:15):
to be in this very narrow but meaningful way the evidence.
And they might say, well, Steve Bomber didn't know about this.
But here is now where I think all of this
becomes a bit of an IQ test because what I
haven't mentioned that we get to in the story is
that Aspiration was not merely some random company. Aspiration on
media Day of twenty twenty one, and you can go
(39:36):
to the press conference footage and find it, they are
announced as this founding sponsor of the Los Angeles Clippers.
They are signage everywhere. Back of your court side seat
says Aspiration Dan, they were going to get the Jersey Patch.
The company collapsed into ruin and disgrace before they got there,
but that was the agreement.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
It was announced.
Speaker 8 (39:56):
They're headlines everywhere you can find them. You can see
the video, well, Steve Bomber right next to the guy
who pled guilty to two counts of wire fraud just
two weeks ago. So you can say we didn't know
about this, But then the IQ test is, and this
is another bit of reporting. Then why and this is
according to the sources who are on tape, the one
(40:17):
source we have who agreed to go on tape with
voice modulation because of the federal investigations that are ongoing
and concurrent in their experience, Uncle Dennis was calling as
the company was declining and unable to pay its bills,
was calling saying pay us. And inside of Aspiration, what
is very clear is that the number one priority, that
(40:39):
is a quote, the number one priority for this collapsing
fake Green bank was you gotta pay Kawhi Leonard. As
bankruptcy was on the horizon, as no one could pay
their bills, as no one else was getting paid, Kawhi
was getting paid. And the question I ask you is,
why was he priority number one for doing nothing at
a company that could not pay its bills. It would
(41:01):
seem that there was some influence from behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Pablo Tory, it's Pablo Tory finds out podcast Metal Art
Media and the Athletic.
Speaker 6 (41:11):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Joe Smith Timberwolves? What was that five first round draft
picks that they were docked? I mean, if this is
all true, I got to believe that precedent has been
set here.
Speaker 8 (41:25):
Pablo, Oh, oh, yeah, Look there's a history lesson here, right,
Joe Smith and Glenn Taylor. Glenn Taylor the piece of
paper they wrote off the books number one overall pick,
getting that side deal five picks. Glenn Taylor was suspended.
Kevin McHale, the GM of the team twenty five years
ago at the time, was put on leave. Fines were levied,
(41:46):
millions of dollars were levied. But I would say that
there's a difference here. And Mark Stein tweeted this out
helpfully because I defer to people who've been covering this
stuff even longer than me when it comes to well
how does this play out? He said, it is staggering
and unprecedented. What is being alleged in our reporting, and
so you could argue, at least Stein argues, this is
(42:08):
more than the Joe Smith story, right, This is actually
far more sophisticated and yet stupid at the same time,
given everything that I just gave a long wind up on.
And look, man, Dan, i'm you, and I I love
by the way that you care about these stories, because
I don't know if anybody really does with your level
of providence in your platform in that way. But how
(42:31):
this sausage gets made behind the scenes with owners and leagues.
Steve Bomber is the richest owner in all sports, and
Adam Silver's boss. Right, So this is not a real
justice system in the NBA. This is a business deal
they got to strike. How do you punish your own boss?
What are the other bosses, the twenty nine others you have?
(42:52):
What do they have to say about it? It's a
fascinating parlor game what the punishment ends up being.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
And we don't know if those other owners have their
own little shell game going. I don't know how in
your reporting, if you know you're stumbling upon other owners
who you know, because people love to talk once the
first you know person gets outed. Now all of a sudden,
it feels like it's safe to out other people.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
Yeah, the difference here, And by the way, it's funny,
like my tip line has never been more more uh
used by by enemies of Jalen Brunson, right, like a
look into look into that one, right as well as
you know James, is.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
There something in there with Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Well, look how he arrived at the next that this
is where I will have to defer to the reporting
I may or may not do on this certainly was interesting, right, Like, Okay,
that's a pretty good deal for the next has some whatever. Anyway,
I don't want to get ahead of myself in terms
of it.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
That's a tease. That's a tease.
Speaker 8 (43:50):
It's a bit of a tease. Yeah, I'm trying a
little ankle with you. I always show a little bit
more ankle than I. But but by the way, subscribe,
like to subscribe. But but the thing about how often
this happens is a really fascinating question, because I would
argue that it doesn't happen to this scale and with
this level of documentation, which is only enabled because of
(44:11):
the collapse of this fraudulent company. The other stuff look historically, right,
I was. I was assuming because I'm maybe dumb, like
you would give a stock tip or something right like,
have someone else, you know, be multiple degrees away. You
wouldn't do it through a company that has its signage
on your building. But that's what our sources say is
(44:34):
exactly the thing that happened, and so in that way
kind of of its own. As as Stein was alluding.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
To, good to talk to you again, I'll talk to
you with the Jalen Brunson story. Whenever that comes out, Pablo.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
You'll you'll get you'll get some kneecap. Thank you that level. Yeah,
it might be moving to thigh after that. Thank you, Pablo, Pablo,
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