September 9, 2025 • 35 mins
DP reacts to J.J. McCarthy's heroic 4th quarter performance in the Vikings' comeback win over the Bears. Fritzy gives his latest version of "Rhyme Time." Renowned author Seth Wickersham discusses his new book, "American Kings: A Biography of the Quarterback," and debates who the most influential quarterbacks in football history are.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And now we know why the Vikings moved on to
JJ McCarthy. Minnesota wins it and JJ McCarthy wakes up
late and the Bears get booed at home. Do you
realize that the Bears have lost six consecutive home games,
the longest active streak and the second longest home losing
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streak in franchise history. Quarterbacks in the NFL get judged
by just about everything that they do. Their arm strength,
they are forty yard dash time, the combine stats wins.
But there's one quality that you're looking for, and it's
hard to measure. What do you do when you're under pressure?
What do you do when you throw a pick six?
(00:46):
What do you do when you're down seventeen to six
going into the fourth quarter on the road. Now, JJ
McCarthy didn't light it up. I don't know if he
did anything where you go wow, other than his composure.
And it's there, it's tangible, you can see it where
everything is not going as scripted for you. He threw
for what one hundred and fifty yards thirteen completions, and
(01:11):
you know he threw a pick six?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Get sacked.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
But what you saw though eight passes that he threw
in the fourth quarter, he completed six of those for
one hundred and one yards three touchdowns, and they come
up with a win. You got a great coach and
Kevin O'Connell great for a young quarterback and arm talent.
Bat'll fade. Stats go up and down, and when you win,
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it's a team effort. But the ability to deliver when
it matters most, that's on the quarterback and you somehow
come up with a way to win. And that's what
he did. But if you go back to his high
school days, he only lost a couple of games, won
a couple of state championships. Iowa State I think offered
him a scholarship in eighth grade.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Like he's been a winner.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's what he does. At Michigan. I didn't think he
did anything that stood out other than he won. And
there is something to be said. That's the most important
stat with a quarterback because we talk about, you know
when we do the QBR and I go, what did
you win? Because that's the most important stat And he
had that last night. Once again, you win, and he
(02:21):
performed at a very high level in the fourth quarter,
and it was kind of a weird game because I thought, Okay,
now I'm seeing Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson, I
don't think had a good night in his debut. Caleb.
He shows you those glimpses. But quarterback play is about consistency.
(02:42):
It's not about there are guys who provide highlights. And
that's why you could always be fooled when you're watching
the red zone because you're going, man, that guy's having
an unbelievable game, and all of a sudden you see
the totality of the game and then you go, no,
he just had you know, three really good plays. And
I thought Caleb was doing better. It felt like he
(03:02):
was processing. He missed some easy throws. You know, he
ran a little bit. I love Roma Doonsa. I think he's,
you know, as the potential to be a great receiver.
And it's rare when you say that about any Chicago
Bear receiver, but Roma Doonsay is very talented.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I was expecting more and you're up seventeen to six
and you got to he's not a rookie quarterback, but
it's his first start and it's on the road and
you can't close out the Vikings. I mean, that says
a lot about the Chicago Bears. Right now here is
Kevin O'Connell talking about his star quarterback.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It's not always going to be pretty when you're trying
to bring along a young quarterback. You just got to
keep playing and you got to allow him to grow.
There was a lot of just things we can improve on,
and we will. It'd be great to be home for
a couple of weeks. All in all, I'm very proud
of our team, very proud of our staff. Just that
figured it out in this and find a way is
something that will be a redeeming quality as we continue
(04:05):
to press onward.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And he's the first quarterback in NFL history to account
for three touchdowns in the fourth quarter of his NFL debut. Now,
I don't know how many rookies or quarterbacks making their
debut are put in that position, but he's the first
in the history to do that.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yes, Marvin, going back to your point about the Bears
losing this game after having the lead. This is going
to bite them in Week seventeen and eighteen where they're
looking at the TV Week eighteen to make sure another
team doesn't win, and if they had beaten them, they
wouldn't be in the scenario. This is going to be
the same thing with the Bengals last year.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Well, we look at the Ravens and we say, same
old Ravens against the Buffalo Bills. You've got to win
that game. Josh Allen has your number. All right, we'll
wait to the postseason with the Bears. You're watching your going,
same old Bears. I mean, you got to win those games.
You're up seventeen to six, everything's going as as well
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as it can go for you, and then you let
it slip away. JJ McCarthy and Sam Darnold, the quarterback
he replaced, are the only quarterbacks since two thousand to
throw a pick six in their NFL debut and still
win the game. You go back when Sam Darnald made
his debut. That was a Monday night game as well.
He was with the Jets and they blew out the Lions.
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That was Week one of twenty eighteen. All right, just
getting started here. Mark Sanchez, our good buddy NFL and
Fox analyst. He'll stop by. Seth Wickersham. The Mothership has
a new book on quarterbacks fritzy since Paulie's not here,
it's a Friday fritzy and he wants to do rhyme time.
(05:42):
I think you're going to basically unload your playbook today,
aren't you.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
I'm just going to put it all out there.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yes, why not? And I'm fine with it.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Have fun.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It's like you have a substitute teacher here. Paulie's not
here to scold you, and I say, go for it.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
We want to have a good time every day.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, every day's the super.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Bowl Day is in fact the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Win or lose, we celebrate.
Speaker 7 (06:01):
Yeah see, And people are calling it a Tuesday Todd takeover.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh triple T t t T. Show me your TTT.
You've never taken anything over before.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
This is new to me.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah alrighty eight seven seven to three DP show email
address DP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at dp show.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
The forty nine ers are banged up. They've been banged up.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Now you got Rock Party with his shoulder and his toe,
George Kittle with a hamstring.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
There, man, you can't get healthy. Yeah see.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
It shows you how quick the season can get sideways,
you know, Like, dang, dude, we're like a game in.
I know, and we're already looking at this list. What
the heck?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Especially that team, you know that they had all those
injuries last year, and you know, even Christian McCaffrey. You're
not quite sure, but those guys, I it looks like
Kittle's going to miss a couple of games. I'm not
sure about Rock Purty. All right, So we'll have a
poll question, we'll get the phone calls. And I mentioned,
you know, when you have somebody who wins. JJ McCarthy
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is sixty four and three as a starting quarterback since
high school.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
That says a lot about who he is.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And yes, you have good teams around you, but it's
kind of doing the right thing at the right time
when your team needs it the most. And I don't
think that that's a coincidence that he's that successful. And
a lot of your great quarterbacks were very successful in
high school in college, but sixty four and three, you
win a national championship, You won a couple of state
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championships in high school. Yeah, Marvin, do you think his
steeling is Jalen hurts. I don't want to put I
don't want to do that to him. After one game.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's overreaction Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, I know, I know, but I watched and I
even sent you guys a text and I said, I
don't know what he does really well, And that was
in the first half.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
He did right out of the gate I did. I
was just like up watching Now.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
He did have that that look that every high school
kid has when he's on the sideline before a game,
where he's got all of his paint on his face
and you look very serious.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I'm so serious, I'm locked in.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
And you know that's when the announcer good boy JJ
McCarthy's locked in, like no, he might just be scared bleepless.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
He might be like.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Good on the road, I'm making my debut, yes, Dylan, Hi, Dan,
I didn't.
Speaker 9 (08:28):
Yeah, No, I saw that picture a bunch and I
was like, I used to make that face because I
was scared. You're trying. You're all right, here we go.
I guess got my EyeBlack on. Some people can't see
how scared I am.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, but I I don't know what kind of quarterback
he's going to be because Harball never unleashed him at Michigan.
It was you had a guy who was a game
manager there, Gay maestro. That's what I gotta. I gotta
ramp it up a little bit game maestro there. So
I don't know if Kevin O'Connell is going to turn
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him loose. I was happy justin Jefferson got a touchdown
because I was worried. I was like, oh boy, somebody
is not going to be happy. Sam Darnold to me
the ball all the time. Hey kid, I'm open. All right,
I'll try to get it to you. Yes, Marmon, So
is it game maestro or game master?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
All right?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know Tomato Tomanto, I can say game master if
that sounds better. A master he is, but there are
a few quarterbacks who were masters. Patrick Mahomes has become
a game master and not putting up crazy numbers. But
maybe JJ McCarthy, maybe he is a Jalen Hurts kind
of guy. If I can beat you with my arm
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in my leg, but I'm not gonna overwhelm you with
either one.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But I'm going to win the game. Uh seen, You've
got to pull question today.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
I like the word balance you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, I am looking for a little balance, little balance
my quarterback.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
All right, okay, quick thing we were talking about before
the show. This is the pick six the best playing football,
nay sports could be in sports in general. So the
picks kind of underrated, but it's it might be the
coolest play there is.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I like the fact that it's unscripted, because your plays
are scripted, like I'm going to throw the ball in
that direction to that guy. But the defensive player, he's
the one who's unscripted. Once he gets like Ed Reid
was as good as anybody who's ever played the game,
great player, it'd be like when he got the you know, Dion,
if he if he intercepted, that's only the start of this.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I want to make you pay with a pick six.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
It's one of those things that makes you like sit
up in your seat, you know where you're like, oh,
here we go, you know, because.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Then you're going a man.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
He can get a couple of blocks. I'm always looking
at the quarterback. What role he plays? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna go in a fetal position here, yes, Tom,
Well you better get out of there.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:10):
I feel like I has to be a fairly long
run back though, Like if you're on your own five
and you throw a short pass and someone jumps in
there and just kind of scoots in for ten yards.
It's not quite as exciting as picking it off and
then going to the house. Then you would eat like
the ninety yard kickoff or putt return over the pick six.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Okay, I didn't know we were putting yardage. I think
it's I think though, I think it's in point.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
If you throw a little screen pass and someone kind
of jumps in at the five yard light and just
takes two steps into the end zone, it's not as wild.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, the seventy five yard or that's how we got
on the tops, right.
Speaker 8 (11:40):
In that case, that is arguably the most exciting play
in all of sports, other than maybe you down three
nothing to hit a Grand Slam home run in the
bottom of the ninth inning, that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
So a walk off home run.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
I'd say a walk off home run, particularly down three
and hitting a grand Slam, that would be tough to be.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
A walk off home run.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Walk off pick six.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Which have you seen less of? That thing is really
a walk up, you know what I mean? A pick
six to win the game.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Well in overtime you go, yeah, you could, yeah, you
have a walk off six. Yeah, okay, you rarely see that.
I like the triple in baseball. I think the triple
is excited.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
Legging went out, yeah, yeah, yeah, a little hustle.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, sliding into third even when you don't need to
slide and they slide into third.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Yeah, yeah, I got it. Mandatory slide.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Oh I remember, you know if I actually got on base,
you know, I had a double or trip and I'm
slide no matter what, even if it's I should stand
up double and be like no, I'm getting dirty, yes,
doing well.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I feel like also the triple too.
Speaker 9 (12:37):
You have to slide head first, yeah first, oh yeah yeah?
But is that is triple better than an inside park
the park home run?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah? Maybe not?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, And you have to slide head first on an
inside the park home run as well.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You have to, yeah, mandatory.
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Speaker 2 (13:44):
The book is called American Kings, A Biography of the Quarterback,
and you'll find it on bookshelves today. Seth Wickersham, Senior
writer for The Mothership, author of New York Times bestseller
It's Better to Be Feared, the Patriots Dynas, and the
new book American King's A Biography of the Quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Great to see again.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Seth, I had a random thought late last night that
I grew up in an era where the running back
was the most important position on the football team that
you know, you had, you had to have your Jim
Brown or somebody of that ilk And I didn't know
if there was a time when all of a sudden,
quarterback became the most important position and kind of you know,
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took the baton from the running back. Was there a
line of demarcation in your memory?
Speaker 11 (14:36):
What's up, man, It's good to see you. You know,
you brought back some some hazy memories when you were
talking about the old holiday parties. I went to one
back in the day and that was that was quite
the spectacle. Yeah, I appreciate you having me on. I
think that really had happened in the eighties, and I
really think that. Look, this was a lot of Bill
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Walsh's genius, and that's that he you know, partially through
desperation when he was with the Cincinnati Bengals, but he
developed an entire offense that was based on the past,
first as a substitute for the run, and really, you know,
he revolutionized football all the way down to Pop Warner.
(15:20):
And as I get into in the book, it's it's
interesting to see Steve Young when he was sort of
taking over for Joe Montana. He had this moment where
you know, he was playing really, really well and winning
a VPS, but he wasn't Joe and Mike Shanahan had
come along and he spent two days with every quarterback
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and Montana was still with the Niners, but he was
injured and after spending time with Joe Montana. He called
Joe back and he was like, Joe, you look at
the West Coast offense different than anybody like I need,
I need to understand how you think about this, and
Joe was like, yeah, I was hoping you wouldn't notice that.
And as it turns out, Joe was this incredible practitioner
(16:07):
and radical simplifier, and he didn't run the West Coast
offense the way that Bill Walsh drew it up. He
basically narrowed it down to one receiver and then if
that guy wasn't there, he looked for the outlet, and
if that guy wasn't there, he was throwing it away
where Steve was running it the way that Bill Walsh
drew it up, and because of that, he was taking
some unnecessary contact. So the year after Joe Montana was
(16:29):
trained to the Chiefs, Mike Shanagan called Steve Young back
in and was like, all right, we're changing the way
the offense runs. We're not doing it by the playbook again.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And the book deals with high school, college, NFL retirement.
In fact, you know, the book ends you're talking to
John Elway. And when I read that, I immediately thought of
when Right Thompson profiled Joe Montana and it was sad
because here's the he was the greatest quarterback. This is
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before Brady surpassed him, and then you lose your identity
that he's not the greatest quarterback, and that Right Thompson
kind of said, you could see it with Joe he
lost something there. You're chronicling these guys like always done
and you know, now it's retirement and trying to hold
(17:26):
onto things or let things go. And you're talking a
lot of these Hall of Fame you know, Steve Young
and Warren Moon and Elway, and was there a common
theme about once it's over with how they felt?
Speaker 11 (17:41):
Well, I mean, so quarterback is such a unique job
and it has such unique responsibilities. I mean, there was
one day with Steve Young that we went through all
the hats you have to wear as an NFL quarterback,
from you know, master motivator to a spokesperson for a
multi billion dollar organization, all of these things. We stopped
at seventeen and frankly, like, I think could have kept going,
and so I think that like to survive. You know,
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what one interested me most about Elway was that he
was the first quarterback who was number one out of
high school, first pick in the draft, first ballot, Hall
of Famer, and you have to hardwire yourself in a
particular way to survive that winnowing and to pull that
off and to live up to expectation.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And he did it.
Speaker 11 (18:25):
And so the entire look at Elway was like what
it did to him. And I think that like the sadness,
that the wistfulness that you talk about with Montana was
with him too. I mean, I think that like he
dealt with that, and I think it's one of the
reasons why he jumped back in and became general manager
of the Broncos is because, look, he needed to reinvent himself,
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but he also went back to what he knew best.
And I think that there are some painful moments, you
know that in that process that we get into in
the book.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
You look at the quarterback now and everything funnels through them.
Their celebrities, but you go back to what it was
it Bob Bob Waterfield. Oh yeah, was he the first
celebrit because he married Jane Russell, famous actress?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah? Was he the first?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That this was before Demigio and Marilyn Monroe. I think,
But was was he the first or that's the first
celebrity couple that we had.
Speaker 11 (19:26):
I mean they were, yeah, they were friends with DiMaggio
and Marilyn Monroe ironically, but yeah. So from the moment
the forward passed was legalized in college football in nineteen
oh six, you know, I wanted to look at like
how fast it took until it became this thing that
our country kind of mythologized and celebrated, And it happened
a lot faster than I thought. And Waterfield was kind
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of the first culmination of that. So he for people
who don't know, you know, he was a starred Utla,
got drafted by the Cleveland Rams in nineteen forty five.
He wins MVP, they went in NFL Championship. He's married
to Jane Russell, who's the world's biggest or at least
the country's biggest pin up star at the time, and
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the owner of the Cleveland Rams. Dan Reeves is basically like,
I got to take advantage of this this power. I mean,
you're talking about the golden age of Hollywood. And for
that and a few other reasons, he moves the team
to Los Angeles, and you know that was a huge
moment in the idea of a quarterback like Bob Waterfield
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kind of looked like James Dean before there was such
a thing as James Dean, and you know, their celebrity
became a huge thing. I mean, the the parties at
their house. I get into him at the book, but
I mean the parties at their house that you know,
overlooked the valley were legendary because it was this collision
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of football in Hollywood. Like Pete Roselle was an intern
for the Rams at that time, and he talked about
how like one of the high moments of his career,
at least his young career was just being invited to
their house and seeing the spectacle that it was.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Talking to Seth Wickersham, the ESPN senior writer and the
new book American King's A Biography of the Quarterback, the
most important quarterback in NFL history is who m.
Speaker 11 (21:20):
I mean, they're all kind of culturally descendant of Johnny
Unitas and Joe Namath, So you know, you have to
kind of think about one of those two guys. I think,
but you know, I'd probably go with Nameth more than
any more than Unitas because name is kind of he
he not only had kind of evolved unitis in the
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sense that like he was calling his own plays and
he looked at the job as kind of a field general,
but he was the first one, you know, to offer
quarterback as lifestyle. I mean he told boys, you know,
and girls everywhere that like this is what throwing a
football well can get you. And I mean he scared
people to death. He scared people to death with his moxy,
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with his release, with his attitude. And there was a
moment later late in the book where I'm with Joe
and I asked him, like, look, having been through everything
you've been through as this American, you know, luminary, is
it worth it? Like would you rather be a quarterback?
Would you would rather have done anything else? And his
(22:23):
answer was really really interesting. What did he say, Oh,
you know, I have to have to help have a
little bit of a finger, But like, you know, I
think the most interesting thing was that it was something that,
like I asked him, it had surprised him, but you
could tell that it was something that he had actually
spent some time thinking about, because you know, he experienced
(22:44):
a lot, I mean, he experienced unbelievable highs, some unbelievable
lows and you know a lot of physical pain also obviously.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, and he was a celebrity. I didn't think Joe
was a great quarterback. I think he he'd fit the
character he looked at him. The hair, you know, the
Beatles were big. He had that haircut. He and the
first code the white Shoes, the greatest released quarterback has
ever unveiled. But he was had a bar the commissioner
(23:16):
told him to, you know, he had to Bachelor's three.
I mean, there was a lot of stuff going on
with Joe in New York and then through all the
women in there as well, and.
Speaker 11 (23:29):
Well, well and Johnny Uniteds was kind of like bedrock
nineteen fifties establishment and Joe Namath was rebellion. And even
though you know he wasn't a rock star, he kind
of looked like one, even more than a quarterback. I
mean he was kind of hunched over, and you know,
he he like I said, you know, he was the
first to offer it his lifestyle and I think that,
(23:52):
like his influence in the zeitgeist is so big, and
I'm right, I mean, you know, look, he didn't he
didn't have like a great career in a lot of ways.
But when you're talking about the pantheon of American men
who have like influenced culture, he's part of it. And
you know, he's up there with some very, very very
(24:14):
famous Americans.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I like in Johnny unit As, he was right out
of Mayberry or Leave It to Beaver, and Namath was
Phonsie on happy Days. He was just he was the
cool guy, leather leather jacket. It's great talking to you again.
I wish you well with the book. And have you
talked to Bill Belichick recently?
Speaker 11 (24:35):
Oh my gosh, no, But you know, I think they're
going to figure things out there. And I think that,
like you know, look, he's changed a lot, and and
you know, our impression of him has changed a lot
in the past couple of years, and I think that,
like in talking to people close to him, I think
you can't underestimate how pissed he is at the way
that things ended in New England. Not just that he
(24:56):
was kind of you know that that he did and
on his terms exactly, but just you know, the Dynasty
docuseries and what that did to his reputation. You know
how Don Vanatta and Jeremy Fowler and I reported that
Robert Kraft, you know, didn't do him any favors when
he was trying to get back in the league after
the Patriots let him go, Oh I'm sorry, after there
(25:19):
was a mutual party. And you know, I think that, like,
you know, the news that came out last week about
you know, banning the Scouts is not just notable in
the sense that, you know, the guy can hold a grudge,
but it's also that he's willing to be so public
with it. And I think that is so much different
than the Bill Belichick that we know. I mean, this
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is a guy who, I think, as much as anybody
in American public life the past twenty years, has been
careful with his words and chosen his words carefully. And
we're seeing a little bit of a different Bill now.
And you know, it's it's fascinating to watch the vapor
trail from the dynasty, not the DOCUSERI, but just the
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dynasty with the greatness they accomplished, continues to to you know,
really continues to this day.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
But who should be more upset with their exit? Brady
or Belichick? With the Patriots? I mean, Tom got embarrassed.
Speaker 11 (26:16):
Who should be more? Yeah, Well, you know, Tom, you
know he won, you know, he won the narrative forever,
and you know, whether he wanted to or not. And
I think that, like obviously he wanted to prove that
there is a different way to win and see if
there is a different way to win. But you know,
I think that like this stuff that's happened between Belichick
(26:37):
and Craft, you know, look, Belichick and Brady are in
a good place. Like you know, these guys are never
going to be spit in your palm pals, but you
know they're in a good place in terms of their relationship.
I think it's going to take a lot of work
for the relationship between Robert Craft and Bill Belichick to
you know, be in a good place if that ever happens.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Good luck with the book. Right to catch up with
you again, Thank you, Seth, Thanks man, great to see you,
Seth Wickersham. The book is out today.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's called American King's a Biography of the Quarterback. It's
a life cycle. It looks at the high school, college,
NFL and then retirement of some of the great quarterbacks
of all time. We'll take a break. Phone calls coming up,
and it's going to be rhyme time with Fritzi. Yeah,
it is back after this.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
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Speaker 2 (27:38):
There hasn't been a no hitter in Major League Baseball
this season. Last full season without a no no was
two thousand and five, but it was on this date
in nineteen sixty five Sandy Kofax through his fourth career
no hitter and first perfect game in a win against
the Cubs. Marvin asked a question during the commercial break,
(27:59):
the most famous quorderback when you were growing up? And
I would probably say Joe Namath was famous, but it
was it was different because he wasn't the best quarterback.
I thought Lenny Dawson was a better quarterback. But what
Joe did and what he did in New York, and
(28:20):
he did it for the Jets, and he won the
Super Bowl and the big underdog and and he's such
a nice person too, And he just had charisma. He
had it when you're wearing white shoes like you you
better be really good. And he had long hair and
he wore like this big fur coat on the sidelines
(28:41):
when he was injured for a game he played at
Shay terrible field, but oh what a what a release. Gosh,
I think it might be the you know, if you're
looking at pure quarterback throwing it, he made it look effortless.
So I would say him Bart's starr because he was
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with the Packers and they were winning championships, they won
Super Bowls. Johnny Unitis, he was a little bit before
my time, but I would say those guys in the
late sixties, early seventies, and your quarterback back then, wasn't
somebody throwing thirty touchdowns? Ye, Bart's Starr, Bob Greasy. They weren't,
(29:27):
you know, stat stuffers. They weren't going to put up
incredible numbers there. But they back then, being a field general,
they would call it. They were field generals. Joe Fisman
became famous. He was a celebrity of sorts, and then
he was dating who was he dating on that show?
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Todd Oh like believe it or not? Do something like that?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, Kathy Lee Krassey.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah, he was a celebrity. But I don't know
if did you have a quarterback growing up up where
you go? Roger Staubach was another one who lives who
became because he was the Cowboys quarterback and he had
been in the military, Naval Academy, Heisman Trophy winner. He
was something special. You know, those were the first ones
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that I came across, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
For me, it's probably Dan Marino.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
I saw him first a in the movie ace Ventura
Pet Detective. Yeah, and I didn't know he was a
real quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Uh, Dylan, did you have one?
Speaker 9 (30:29):
I mean, for me, it was really like Brady and
Peyton Manning were kind their prime was sort of when
I was in my.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Youth, somebou seen.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
Uh well, I was a big Dan Marino fan. But
if when you asked me the most famous quarterback from
when I was young, it would have been Phil Simms. Okay,
he was you know Jersey Jersey, the Giants. We were
on a run, you know, Phil Simms was like as
big as it got.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
God.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
Yeah, I was always big on the Cowboys Steelers, so
like Staback and Bradshaw. But again, the one that I
really felt like, like what Marvel was saying, Dan Rena.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
From me, it was like the first tie with the
curly hair and the tan.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
And the good one he did the Isi Toner glove commercial. Yeah,
then he you know when he's playing himself in the
movie with Jim Carrey. All right, time to do rhyme time,
Todd give us gets uh, get the rules.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Let everybody know how to play rhyme time.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
I'm gonna give you a pair of clues. The answer
the words rhymes are one word. Answer is that rhyme
with each other. So it'll be like we did.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Bengal Broadcast Award was Burrow Morrow. That's how the game go.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Here we go groin NBC's Melissa Clark Stark Clark Star.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Kaitlin Clark bowing that groin injury and Melissa Stark.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Of course buccaneer pretender, buccaneer Baker, Baker Faker.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Now we're on a roll here. Pat's leader capable, Pat's
leader capable.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Able?
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Are you go? Wow? You guys are banging these out.
Speaker 12 (31:56):
Okay, State Head married with children, gundhy Bun Dundee, Bundy,
Red Sox Great Tennis Champ, Red Sox Great Tennis Champ.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
I think of current tennis great players number eight with Boston,
Kari Stremski and who was what they call coll Yes,
who's a great tennis player these days.
Speaker 13 (32:23):
Al ch Alcorazes run yes, Alcoraz car protector, car protector,
M's bat car protector, m's bat.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Bumper, jumper jumper.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
That's what it is. Buckeye land hint, buckeye land hint.
Another word for a hint, shoe clue, the horseshoe shoe clue.
I got a few more here.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Longhorn Madness, Longhorn Madness, Arch March, Arch, March.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
This is how it works. Sweetness Dodger for Paul Sweetness Dodger.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Peyton Clayton, Peyton Clayton, Rains NBC, Rains, NBC.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
It was Tim Rain's nickname.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Rock NBC thirty Peacock, Rock, Peacock.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Okay, we got three more.
Speaker 14 (33:24):
I think we can get him in Irving, our friend
Irving seven, Irving seven, the man they call seven Irving
from our show, Irving.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Seven, l Way oh Way Leader.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
I can't do the pronunce.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I can't do it.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
Michael Irvin, I was thinking, I'm like Michael and Michael Vick,
Michael Michael. But it was that it was Irving.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Leader, Aristotle Leader, Aristotle.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Shack Dack Jack.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
Shaq would be Leader Aristotle Dak Shack and the last
one is Let's ride flex.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Let's ride flex.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Russell muscle Russell M. We did it. Yeah, with a
minute and a half to spare. Thank you, ton.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
I like the way you did those clues. They were
a little they were a little off. They weren't some
of them were pretty on the nose, but some of
them it took you a minute to get there.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
That was good.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Uh, Terry and Tennessee morning, Terry. What's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (34:24):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
What's up?
Speaker 8 (34:25):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
How you doing good?
Speaker 15 (34:27):
Hey man, I got to give you props for props
to do. You've made great recommendations on those Padrones and
those my Father's and if you hadn't tried the new
my Father's Blue, you'll love it. That's that's probably pointed
by twelve bucks. You'll love it.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Thank you, Terry.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, those are cigars if you can't get Cuban cigars,
and they're even tougher to get now.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
The Padrone Anniversary series is always great and my father Uh,
nice price point, you know, maybe ten dollars, eleven dollars,
twelve dollars, great CIGARH And I have no affiliation and
with you know, any of these cigars. I'm just telling
you that if I'm smoking, I usually have my father.
(35:08):
But the padrona anniversary that's more expensive. But that's a
great cigar. Never had a bad padron. Now, if you
give me a Hoyot demonaey, I don't smoke that, that's
a great cigar. Or boulevar. Uh, there's there's quite a
few of them. If you smoke cigars and drank tequila,
(35:32):
for Deliza is the great tequila.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
You can't get anymore.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
For some reason, everybody started buying it up, or they
stop making it enough.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
But the secrets out. Damn
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And now we know why the Vikings moved on to
JJ McCarthy. Minnesota wins it and JJ McCarthy wakes up
late and the Bears get booed at home. Do you
realize that the Bears have lost six consecutive home games,
the longest active streak and the second longest home losing
(00:25):
streak in franchise history. Quarterbacks in the NFL get judged
by just about everything that they do. Their arm strength,
they are forty yard dash time, the combine stats wins.
But there's one quality that you're looking for, and it's
hard to measure. What do you do when you're under pressure?
What do you do when you throw a pick six?
(00:46):
What do you do when you're down seventeen to six
going into the fourth quarter on the road. Now, JJ
McCarthy didn't light it up. I don't know if he
did anything where you go wow, other than his composure.
And it's there, it's tangible, you can see it where
everything is not going as scripted for you. He threw
for what one hundred and fifty yards thirteen completions, and
(01:11):
you know he threw a pick six?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Get sacked.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
But what you saw though eight passes that he threw
in the fourth quarter, he completed six of those for
one hundred and one yards three touchdowns, and they come
up with a win. You got a great coach and
Kevin O'Connell great for a young quarterback and arm talent.
Bat'll fade. Stats go up and down, and when you win,
(01:35):
it's a team effort. But the ability to deliver when
it matters most, that's on the quarterback and you somehow
come up with a way to win. And that's what
he did. But if you go back to his high
school days, he only lost a couple of games, won
a couple of state championships. Iowa State I think offered
him a scholarship in eighth grade.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Like he's been a winner.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's what he does. At Michigan. I didn't think he
did anything that stood out other than he won. And
there is something to be said. That's the most important
stat with a quarterback because we talk about, you know
when we do the QBR and I go, what did
you win? Because that's the most important stat And he
had that last night. Once again, you win, and he
(02:21):
performed at a very high level in the fourth quarter,
and it was kind of a weird game because I thought, Okay,
now I'm seeing Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson, I
don't think had a good night in his debut. Caleb.
He shows you those glimpses. But quarterback play is about consistency.
(02:42):
It's not about there are guys who provide highlights. And
that's why you could always be fooled when you're watching
the red zone because you're going, man, that guy's having
an unbelievable game, and all of a sudden you see
the totality of the game and then you go, no,
he just had you know, three really good plays. And
I thought Caleb was doing better. It felt like he
(03:02):
was processing. He missed some easy throws. You know, he
ran a little bit. I love Roma Doonsa. I think he's,
you know, as the potential to be a great receiver.
And it's rare when you say that about any Chicago
Bear receiver, but Roma Doonsay is very talented.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I was expecting more and you're up seventeen to six
and you got to he's not a rookie quarterback, but
it's his first start and it's on the road and
you can't close out the Vikings. I mean, that says
a lot about the Chicago Bears. Right now here is
Kevin O'Connell talking about his star quarterback.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It's not always going to be pretty when you're trying
to bring along a young quarterback. You just got to
keep playing and you got to allow him to grow.
There was a lot of just things we can improve on,
and we will. It'd be great to be home for
a couple of weeks. All in all, I'm very proud
of our team, very proud of our staff. Just that
figured it out in this and find a way is
something that will be a redeeming quality as we continue
(04:05):
to press onward.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And he's the first quarterback in NFL history to account
for three touchdowns in the fourth quarter of his NFL debut. Now,
I don't know how many rookies or quarterbacks making their
debut are put in that position, but he's the first
in the history to do that.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yes, Marvin, going back to your point about the Bears
losing this game after having the lead. This is going
to bite them in Week seventeen and eighteen where they're
looking at the TV Week eighteen to make sure another
team doesn't win, and if they had beaten them, they
wouldn't be in the scenario. This is going to be
the same thing with the Bengals last year.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Well, we look at the Ravens and we say, same
old Ravens against the Buffalo Bills. You've got to win
that game. Josh Allen has your number. All right, we'll
wait to the postseason with the Bears. You're watching your going,
same old Bears. I mean, you got to win those games.
You're up seventeen to six, everything's going as as well
(05:00):
as it can go for you, and then you let
it slip away. JJ McCarthy and Sam Darnold, the quarterback
he replaced, are the only quarterbacks since two thousand to
throw a pick six in their NFL debut and still
win the game. You go back when Sam Darnald made
his debut. That was a Monday night game as well.
He was with the Jets and they blew out the Lions.
(05:21):
That was Week one of twenty eighteen. All right, just
getting started here. Mark Sanchez, our good buddy NFL and
Fox analyst. He'll stop by. Seth Wickersham. The Mothership has
a new book on quarterbacks fritzy since Paulie's not here,
it's a Friday fritzy and he wants to do rhyme time.
(05:42):
I think you're going to basically unload your playbook today,
aren't you.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
I'm just going to put it all out there.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yes, why not? And I'm fine with it.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Have fun.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It's like you have a substitute teacher here. Paulie's not
here to scold you, and I say, go for it.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
We want to have a good time every day.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, every day's the super.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Bowl Day is in fact the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Win or lose, we celebrate.
Speaker 7 (06:01):
Yeah see, And people are calling it a Tuesday Todd takeover.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh triple T t t T. Show me your TTT.
You've never taken anything over before.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
This is new to me.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah alrighty eight seven seven to three DP show email
address DP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at dp show.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
The forty nine ers are banged up. They've been banged up.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Now you got Rock Party with his shoulder and his toe,
George Kittle with a hamstring.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
There, man, you can't get healthy. Yeah see.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
It shows you how quick the season can get sideways,
you know, Like, dang, dude, we're like a game in.
I know, and we're already looking at this list. What
the heck?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Especially that team, you know that they had all those
injuries last year, and you know, even Christian McCaffrey. You're
not quite sure, but those guys, I it looks like
Kittle's going to miss a couple of games. I'm not
sure about Rock Purty. All right, So we'll have a
poll question, we'll get the phone calls. And I mentioned,
you know, when you have somebody who wins. JJ McCarthy
(07:04):
is sixty four and three as a starting quarterback since
high school.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
That says a lot about who he is.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And yes, you have good teams around you, but it's
kind of doing the right thing at the right time
when your team needs it the most. And I don't
think that that's a coincidence that he's that successful. And
a lot of your great quarterbacks were very successful in
high school in college, but sixty four and three, you
win a national championship, You won a couple of state
(07:34):
championships in high school. Yeah, Marvin, do you think his
steeling is Jalen hurts. I don't want to put I
don't want to do that to him. After one game.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's overreaction Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, I know, I know, but I watched and I
even sent you guys a text and I said, I
don't know what he does really well, And that was
in the first half.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
He did right out of the gate I did. I
was just like up watching Now.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
He did have that that look that every high school
kid has when he's on the sideline before a game,
where he's got all of his paint on his face
and you look very serious.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I'm so serious, I'm locked in.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
And you know that's when the announcer good boy JJ
McCarthy's locked in, like no, he might just be scared bleepless.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
He might be like.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Good on the road, I'm making my debut, yes, Dylan, Hi, Dan,
I didn't.
Speaker 9 (08:28):
Yeah, No, I saw that picture a bunch and I
was like, I used to make that face because I
was scared. You're trying. You're all right, here we go.
I guess got my EyeBlack on. Some people can't see
how scared I am.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, but I I don't know what kind of quarterback
he's going to be because Harball never unleashed him at Michigan.
It was you had a guy who was a game
manager there, Gay maestro. That's what I gotta. I gotta
ramp it up a little bit game maestro there. So
I don't know if Kevin O'Connell is going to turn
(09:05):
him loose. I was happy justin Jefferson got a touchdown
because I was worried. I was like, oh boy, somebody
is not going to be happy. Sam Darnold to me
the ball all the time. Hey kid, I'm open. All right,
I'll try to get it to you. Yes, Marmon, So
is it game maestro or game master?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
All right?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know Tomato Tomanto, I can say game master if
that sounds better. A master he is, but there are
a few quarterbacks who were masters. Patrick Mahomes has become
a game master and not putting up crazy numbers. But
maybe JJ McCarthy, maybe he is a Jalen Hurts kind
of guy. If I can beat you with my arm
(09:49):
in my leg, but I'm not gonna overwhelm you with
either one.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But I'm going to win the game. Uh seen, You've
got to pull question today.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
I like the word balance you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, I am looking for a little balance, little balance
my quarterback.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
All right, okay, quick thing we were talking about before
the show. This is the pick six the best playing football,
nay sports could be in sports in general. So the
picks kind of underrated, but it's it might be the
coolest play there is.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I like the fact that it's unscripted, because your plays
are scripted, like I'm going to throw the ball in
that direction to that guy. But the defensive player, he's
the one who's unscripted. Once he gets like Ed Reid
was as good as anybody who's ever played the game,
great player, it'd be like when he got the you know, Dion,
if he if he intercepted, that's only the start of this.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I want to make you pay with a pick six.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
It's one of those things that makes you like sit
up in your seat, you know where you're like, oh,
here we go, you know, because.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Then you're going a man.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
He can get a couple of blocks. I'm always looking
at the quarterback. What role he plays? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna go in a fetal position here, yes, Tom,
Well you better get out of there.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:10):
I feel like I has to be a fairly long
run back though, Like if you're on your own five
and you throw a short pass and someone jumps in
there and just kind of scoots in for ten yards.
It's not quite as exciting as picking it off and
then going to the house. Then you would eat like
the ninety yard kickoff or putt return over the pick six.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Okay, I didn't know we were putting yardage. I think
it's I think though, I think it's in point.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
If you throw a little screen pass and someone kind
of jumps in at the five yard light and just
takes two steps into the end zone, it's not as wild.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, the seventy five yard or that's how we got
on the tops, right.
Speaker 8 (11:40):
In that case, that is arguably the most exciting play
in all of sports, other than maybe you down three
nothing to hit a Grand Slam home run in the
bottom of the ninth inning, that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
So a walk off home run.
Speaker 8 (11:49):
I'd say a walk off home run, particularly down three
and hitting a grand Slam, that would be tough to be.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
A walk off home run.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Walk off pick six.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Which have you seen less of? That thing is really
a walk up, you know what I mean? A pick
six to win the game.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Well in overtime you go, yeah, you could, yeah, you
have a walk off six. Yeah, okay, you rarely see that.
I like the triple in baseball. I think the triple
is excited.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
Legging went out, yeah, yeah, yeah, a little hustle.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, sliding into third even when you don't need to
slide and they slide into third.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Yeah, yeah, I got it. Mandatory slide.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Oh I remember, you know if I actually got on base,
you know, I had a double or trip and I'm
slide no matter what, even if it's I should stand
up double and be like no, I'm getting dirty, yes,
doing well.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I feel like also the triple too.
Speaker 9 (12:37):
You have to slide head first, yeah first, oh yeah yeah?
But is that is triple better than an inside park
the park home run?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah? Maybe not?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, And you have to slide head first on an
inside the park home run as well.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You have to, yeah, mandatory.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 10 (13:03):
Hey what's up everybody? It's me three time pro bowler
LeVar Rington, and I couldn't be more excited to announce
a podcast called Up on Game? What is up on Game?
You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. Huschman,
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Speaker 1 (13:23):
Talent on it.
Speaker 10 (13:24):
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life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen to Up on
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Speaker 2 (13:44):
The book is called American Kings, A Biography of the Quarterback,
and you'll find it on bookshelves today. Seth Wickersham, Senior
writer for The Mothership, author of New York Times bestseller
It's Better to Be Feared, the Patriots Dynas, and the
new book American King's A Biography of the Quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Great to see again.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Seth, I had a random thought late last night that
I grew up in an era where the running back
was the most important position on the football team that
you know, you had, you had to have your Jim
Brown or somebody of that ilk And I didn't know
if there was a time when all of a sudden,
quarterback became the most important position and kind of you know,
(14:28):
took the baton from the running back. Was there a
line of demarcation in your memory?
Speaker 11 (14:36):
What's up, man, It's good to see you. You know,
you brought back some some hazy memories when you were
talking about the old holiday parties. I went to one
back in the day and that was that was quite
the spectacle. Yeah, I appreciate you having me on. I
think that really had happened in the eighties, and I
really think that. Look, this was a lot of Bill
(14:58):
Walsh's genius, and that's that he you know, partially through
desperation when he was with the Cincinnati Bengals, but he
developed an entire offense that was based on the past,
first as a substitute for the run, and really, you know,
he revolutionized football all the way down to Pop Warner.
(15:20):
And as I get into in the book, it's it's
interesting to see Steve Young when he was sort of
taking over for Joe Montana. He had this moment where
you know, he was playing really, really well and winning
a VPS, but he wasn't Joe and Mike Shanahan had
come along and he spent two days with every quarterback
(15:42):
and Montana was still with the Niners, but he was
injured and after spending time with Joe Montana. He called
Joe back and he was like, Joe, you look at
the West Coast offense different than anybody like I need,
I need to understand how you think about this, and
Joe was like, yeah, I was hoping you wouldn't notice that.
And as it turns out, Joe was this incredible practitioner
(16:07):
and radical simplifier, and he didn't run the West Coast
offense the way that Bill Walsh drew it up. He
basically narrowed it down to one receiver and then if
that guy wasn't there, he looked for the outlet, and
if that guy wasn't there, he was throwing it away
where Steve was running it the way that Bill Walsh
drew it up, and because of that, he was taking
some unnecessary contact. So the year after Joe Montana was
(16:29):
trained to the Chiefs, Mike Shanagan called Steve Young back
in and was like, all right, we're changing the way
the offense runs. We're not doing it by the playbook again.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And the book deals with high school, college, NFL retirement.
In fact, you know, the book ends you're talking to
John Elway. And when I read that, I immediately thought of
when Right Thompson profiled Joe Montana and it was sad
because here's the he was the greatest quarterback. This is
(17:02):
before Brady surpassed him, and then you lose your identity
that he's not the greatest quarterback, and that Right Thompson
kind of said, you could see it with Joe he
lost something there. You're chronicling these guys like always done
and you know, now it's retirement and trying to hold
(17:26):
onto things or let things go. And you're talking a
lot of these Hall of Fame you know, Steve Young
and Warren Moon and Elway, and was there a common
theme about once it's over with how they felt?
Speaker 11 (17:41):
Well, I mean, so quarterback is such a unique job
and it has such unique responsibilities. I mean, there was
one day with Steve Young that we went through all
the hats you have to wear as an NFL quarterback,
from you know, master motivator to a spokesperson for a
multi billion dollar organization, all of these things. We stopped
at seventeen and frankly, like, I think could have kept going,
and so I think that like to survive. You know,
(18:04):
what one interested me most about Elway was that he
was the first quarterback who was number one out of
high school, first pick in the draft, first ballot, Hall
of Famer, and you have to hardwire yourself in a
particular way to survive that winnowing and to pull that
off and to live up to expectation.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And he did it.
Speaker 11 (18:25):
And so the entire look at Elway was like what
it did to him. And I think that like the sadness,
that the wistfulness that you talk about with Montana was
with him too. I mean, I think that like he
dealt with that, and I think it's one of the
reasons why he jumped back in and became general manager
of the Broncos is because, look, he needed to reinvent himself,
(18:52):
but he also went back to what he knew best.
And I think that there are some painful moments, you
know that in that process that we get into in
the book.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
You look at the quarterback now and everything funnels through them.
Their celebrities, but you go back to what it was
it Bob Bob Waterfield. Oh yeah, was he the first
celebrit because he married Jane Russell, famous actress?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah? Was he the first?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That this was before Demigio and Marilyn Monroe. I think,
But was was he the first or that's the first
celebrity couple that we had.
Speaker 11 (19:26):
I mean they were, yeah, they were friends with DiMaggio
and Marilyn Monroe ironically, but yeah. So from the moment
the forward passed was legalized in college football in nineteen
oh six, you know, I wanted to look at like
how fast it took until it became this thing that
our country kind of mythologized and celebrated, And it happened
a lot faster than I thought. And Waterfield was kind
(19:48):
of the first culmination of that. So he for people
who don't know, you know, he was a starred Utla,
got drafted by the Cleveland Rams in nineteen forty five.
He wins MVP, they went in NFL Championship. He's married
to Jane Russell, who's the world's biggest or at least
the country's biggest pin up star at the time, and
(20:08):
the owner of the Cleveland Rams. Dan Reeves is basically like,
I got to take advantage of this this power. I mean,
you're talking about the golden age of Hollywood. And for
that and a few other reasons, he moves the team
to Los Angeles, and you know that was a huge
moment in the idea of a quarterback like Bob Waterfield
(20:30):
kind of looked like James Dean before there was such
a thing as James Dean, and you know, their celebrity
became a huge thing. I mean, the the parties at
their house. I get into him at the book, but
I mean the parties at their house that you know,
overlooked the valley were legendary because it was this collision
(20:52):
of football in Hollywood. Like Pete Roselle was an intern
for the Rams at that time, and he talked about
how like one of the high moments of his career,
at least his young career was just being invited to
their house and seeing the spectacle that it was.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Talking to Seth Wickersham, the ESPN senior writer and the
new book American King's A Biography of the Quarterback, the
most important quarterback in NFL history is who m.
Speaker 11 (21:20):
I mean, they're all kind of culturally descendant of Johnny
Unitas and Joe Namath, So you know, you have to
kind of think about one of those two guys. I think,
but you know, I'd probably go with Nameth more than
any more than Unitas because name is kind of he
he not only had kind of evolved unitis in the
(21:41):
sense that like he was calling his own plays and
he looked at the job as kind of a field general,
but he was the first one, you know, to offer
quarterback as lifestyle. I mean he told boys, you know,
and girls everywhere that like this is what throwing a
football well can get you. And I mean he scared
people to death. He scared people to death with his moxy,
(22:02):
with his release, with his attitude. And there was a
moment later late in the book where I'm with Joe
and I asked him, like, look, having been through everything
you've been through as this American, you know, luminary, is
it worth it? Like would you rather be a quarterback?
Would you would rather have done anything else? And his
(22:23):
answer was really really interesting. What did he say, Oh,
you know, I have to have to help have a
little bit of a finger, But like, you know, I
think the most interesting thing was that it was something that,
like I asked him, it had surprised him, but you
could tell that it was something that he had actually
spent some time thinking about, because you know, he experienced
(22:44):
a lot, I mean, he experienced unbelievable highs, some unbelievable
lows and you know a lot of physical pain also obviously.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, and he was a celebrity. I didn't think Joe
was a great quarterback. I think he he'd fit the
character he looked at him. The hair, you know, the
Beatles were big. He had that haircut. He and the
first code the white Shoes, the greatest released quarterback has
ever unveiled. But he was had a bar the commissioner
(23:16):
told him to, you know, he had to Bachelor's three.
I mean, there was a lot of stuff going on
with Joe in New York and then through all the
women in there as well, and.
Speaker 11 (23:29):
Well, well and Johnny Uniteds was kind of like bedrock
nineteen fifties establishment and Joe Namath was rebellion. And even
though you know he wasn't a rock star, he kind
of looked like one, even more than a quarterback. I
mean he was kind of hunched over, and you know,
he he like I said, you know, he was the
first to offer it his lifestyle and I think that,
(23:52):
like his influence in the zeitgeist is so big, and
I'm right, I mean, you know, look, he didn't he
didn't have like a great career in a lot of ways.
But when you're talking about the pantheon of American men
who have like influenced culture, he's part of it. And
you know, he's up there with some very, very very
(24:14):
famous Americans.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I like in Johnny unit As, he was right out
of Mayberry or Leave It to Beaver, and Namath was
Phonsie on happy Days. He was just he was the
cool guy, leather leather jacket. It's great talking to you again.
I wish you well with the book. And have you
talked to Bill Belichick recently?
Speaker 11 (24:35):
Oh my gosh, no, But you know, I think they're
going to figure things out there. And I think that,
like you know, look, he's changed a lot, and and
you know, our impression of him has changed a lot
in the past couple of years, and I think that,
like in talking to people close to him, I think
you can't underestimate how pissed he is at the way
that things ended in New England. Not just that he
(24:56):
was kind of you know that that he did and
on his terms exactly, but just you know, the Dynasty
docuseries and what that did to his reputation. You know
how Don Vanatta and Jeremy Fowler and I reported that
Robert Kraft, you know, didn't do him any favors when
he was trying to get back in the league after
the Patriots let him go, Oh I'm sorry, after there
(25:19):
was a mutual party. And you know, I think that, like,
you know, the news that came out last week about
you know, banning the Scouts is not just notable in
the sense that, you know, the guy can hold a grudge,
but it's also that he's willing to be so public
with it. And I think that is so much different
than the Bill Belichick that we know. I mean, this
(25:39):
is a guy who, I think, as much as anybody
in American public life the past twenty years, has been
careful with his words and chosen his words carefully. And
we're seeing a little bit of a different Bill now.
And you know, it's it's fascinating to watch the vapor
trail from the dynasty, not the DOCUSERI, but just the
(26:00):
dynasty with the greatness they accomplished, continues to to you know,
really continues to this day.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
But who should be more upset with their exit? Brady
or Belichick? With the Patriots? I mean, Tom got embarrassed.
Speaker 11 (26:16):
Who should be more? Yeah, Well, you know, Tom, you
know he won, you know, he won the narrative forever,
and you know, whether he wanted to or not. And
I think that, like obviously he wanted to prove that
there is a different way to win and see if
there is a different way to win. But you know,
I think that like this stuff that's happened between Belichick
(26:37):
and Craft, you know, look, Belichick and Brady are in
a good place. Like you know, these guys are never
going to be spit in your palm pals, but you
know they're in a good place in terms of their relationship.
I think it's going to take a lot of work
for the relationship between Robert Craft and Bill Belichick to
you know, be in a good place if that ever happens.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Good luck with the book. Right to catch up with
you again, Thank you, Seth, Thanks man, great to see you,
Seth Wickersham. The book is out today.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's called American King's a Biography of the Quarterback. It's
a life cycle. It looks at the high school, college,
NFL and then retirement of some of the great quarterbacks
of all time. We'll take a break. Phone calls coming up,
and it's going to be rhyme time with Fritzi. Yeah,
it is back after this.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
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Speaker 2 (27:38):
There hasn't been a no hitter in Major League Baseball
this season. Last full season without a no no was
two thousand and five, but it was on this date
in nineteen sixty five Sandy Kofax through his fourth career
no hitter and first perfect game in a win against
the Cubs. Marvin asked a question during the commercial break,
(27:59):
the most famous quorderback when you were growing up? And
I would probably say Joe Namath was famous, but it
was it was different because he wasn't the best quarterback.
I thought Lenny Dawson was a better quarterback. But what
Joe did and what he did in New York, and
(28:20):
he did it for the Jets, and he won the
Super Bowl and the big underdog and and he's such
a nice person too, And he just had charisma. He
had it when you're wearing white shoes like you you
better be really good. And he had long hair and
he wore like this big fur coat on the sidelines
(28:41):
when he was injured for a game he played at
Shay terrible field, but oh what a what a release. Gosh,
I think it might be the you know, if you're
looking at pure quarterback throwing it, he made it look effortless.
So I would say him Bart's starr because he was
(29:03):
with the Packers and they were winning championships, they won
Super Bowls. Johnny Unitis, he was a little bit before
my time, but I would say those guys in the
late sixties, early seventies, and your quarterback back then, wasn't
somebody throwing thirty touchdowns? Ye, Bart's Starr, Bob Greasy. They weren't,
(29:27):
you know, stat stuffers. They weren't going to put up
incredible numbers there. But they back then, being a field general,
they would call it. They were field generals. Joe Fisman
became famous. He was a celebrity of sorts, and then
he was dating who was he dating on that show?
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Todd Oh like believe it or not? Do something like that?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, Kathy Lee Krassey.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah, he was a celebrity. But I don't know
if did you have a quarterback growing up up where
you go? Roger Staubach was another one who lives who
became because he was the Cowboys quarterback and he had
been in the military, Naval Academy, Heisman Trophy winner. He
was something special. You know, those were the first ones
(30:14):
that I came across, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
For me, it's probably Dan Marino.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
I saw him first a in the movie ace Ventura
Pet Detective. Yeah, and I didn't know he was a
real quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Uh, Dylan, did you have one?
Speaker 9 (30:29):
I mean, for me, it was really like Brady and
Peyton Manning were kind their prime was sort of when
I was in my.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Youth, somebou seen.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
Uh well, I was a big Dan Marino fan. But
if when you asked me the most famous quarterback from
when I was young, it would have been Phil Simms. Okay,
he was you know Jersey Jersey, the Giants. We were
on a run, you know, Phil Simms was like as
big as it got.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
God.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
Yeah, I was always big on the Cowboys Steelers, so
like Staback and Bradshaw. But again, the one that I
really felt like, like what Marvel was saying, Dan Rena.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
From me, it was like the first tie with the
curly hair and the tan.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
And the good one he did the Isi Toner glove commercial. Yeah,
then he you know when he's playing himself in the
movie with Jim Carrey. All right, time to do rhyme time,
Todd give us gets uh, get the rules.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Let everybody know how to play rhyme time.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
I'm gonna give you a pair of clues. The answer
the words rhymes are one word. Answer is that rhyme
with each other. So it'll be like we did.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Bengal Broadcast Award was Burrow Morrow. That's how the game go.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Here we go groin NBC's Melissa Clark Stark Clark Star.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Kaitlin Clark bowing that groin injury and Melissa Stark.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Of course buccaneer pretender, buccaneer Baker, Baker Faker.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Now we're on a roll here. Pat's leader capable, Pat's
leader capable.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Able?
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Are you go? Wow? You guys are banging these out.
Speaker 12 (31:56):
Okay, State Head married with children, gundhy Bun Dundee, Bundy,
Red Sox Great Tennis Champ, Red Sox Great Tennis Champ.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
I think of current tennis great players number eight with Boston,
Kari Stremski and who was what they call coll Yes,
who's a great tennis player these days.
Speaker 13 (32:23):
Al ch Alcorazes run yes, Alcoraz car protector, car protector,
M's bat car protector, m's bat.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Bumper, jumper jumper.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
That's what it is. Buckeye land hint, buckeye land hint.
Another word for a hint, shoe clue, the horseshoe shoe clue.
I got a few more here.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Longhorn Madness, Longhorn Madness, Arch March, Arch, March.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
This is how it works. Sweetness Dodger for Paul Sweetness Dodger.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Peyton Clayton, Peyton Clayton, Rains NBC, Rains, NBC.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
It was Tim Rain's nickname.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Rock NBC thirty Peacock, Rock, Peacock.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Okay, we got three more.
Speaker 14 (33:24):
I think we can get him in Irving, our friend
Irving seven, Irving seven, the man they call seven Irving
from our show, Irving.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Seven, l Way oh Way Leader.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
I can't do the pronunce.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I can't do it.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
Michael Irvin, I was thinking, I'm like Michael and Michael Vick,
Michael Michael. But it was that it was Irving.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Leader, Aristotle Leader, Aristotle.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Shack Dack Jack.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
Shaq would be Leader Aristotle Dak Shack and the last
one is Let's ride flex.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Let's ride flex.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Russell muscle Russell M. We did it. Yeah, with a
minute and a half to spare. Thank you, ton.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
I like the way you did those clues. They were
a little they were a little off. They weren't some
of them were pretty on the nose, but some of
them it took you a minute to get there.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
That was good.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Uh, Terry and Tennessee morning, Terry. What's on your mind today?
Speaker 7 (34:24):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
What's up?
Speaker 8 (34:25):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
How you doing good?
Speaker 15 (34:27):
Hey man, I got to give you props for props
to do. You've made great recommendations on those Padrones and
those my Father's and if you hadn't tried the new
my Father's Blue, you'll love it. That's that's probably pointed
by twelve bucks. You'll love it.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Thank you, Terry.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, those are cigars if you can't get Cuban cigars,
and they're even tougher to get now.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
The Padrone Anniversary series is always great and my father Uh,
nice price point, you know, maybe ten dollars, eleven dollars,
twelve dollars, great CIGARH And I have no affiliation and
with you know, any of these cigars. I'm just telling
you that if I'm smoking, I usually have my father.
(35:08):
But the padrona anniversary that's more expensive. But that's a
great cigar. Never had a bad padron. Now, if you
give me a Hoyot demonaey, I don't smoke that, that's
a great cigar. Or boulevar. Uh, there's there's quite a
few of them. If you smoke cigars and drank tequila,
(35:32):
for Deliza is the great tequila.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
You can't get anymore.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
For some reason, everybody started buying it up, or they
stop making it enough.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
But the secrets out. Damn
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