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NFL/CFB analyst Louis Riddick questions the mindset at Clemson and believes the Cowboys remain dangerous offensively but are very flawed defensively. PFT Live co-host Mike Florio discusses the NFL's uneasy dance with gambling and suggests the Tush Push could be on its way out due to its difficulty to officiate. Pro Football HOF QB Steve Young praises Justin Herbert's incredible arm and sees Lamar Jackson as a potential all-time great. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Lewis Riddick on the call for Syracuse win at Clemson.
He's got Florida State Virginia coming up on Friday on
the mother Ship, and then he'll be doing one of
the Monday night games Jets and the Dolphins, also on ESPN. So, Lewis,
what I love about you as an analyst when I'm
listening to you call the Syracuse Clemson game is you

(00:26):
don't hide your distaste for something when something is bad
or something bothers you. You don't try to mask that
You've grown sometimes. I appreciate that. So very enjoyable listening
to you guys do that game. At what point did
you think Syracuse was a better team than Clemson.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, I don't know if they're well, let's just say
this one through once to say eighty. I don't know
if they're a better team in terms of the individual players.
I think Clemson is very talented as far as the
kind of kids they all on that roster.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yeah, but that makes it even worse exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
That's my point. That's my point. I think right out
of the gate, you could see that Syracuse had a
different mentality, and the DEVO told us that when we
talked to him, said, really, this game is about a mentality.
It's about how our guys or are our guys going
to go ahead and play up to their potential? Are
they going to accept the challenge? Are they going to

(01:33):
be sick and tired of being sick and tired of
losing the two games that they lost to Tech into
the LSU, which are basically like one possession type games
where they could have won the game. And now are
they gonna rise up? And early in the game you
saw they weren't ready for it, and Syracuse was like,
guess what, We're pulling out all the stops. Fran Brown said,
we're pulling out all the stops. We're putting the ball
up in the air. We're gonna put it up to

(01:53):
our sixty three six to four wide receivers we think
has an advantage. We're gonna have surprise on side kicks
or run the football better. And we've run it in
the past two years right at the heart of your
team where you supposedly had two or maybe three first
rounders on your defensive line, and we're gonna smack them
right in the mouth, and how are you gonna respond?
How are you gonna respond? Clemson? And right out of

(02:14):
the gate, I was sitting there going They're not And
how many people picked them on game day? How many
people picked them? Probably in our own crew, to think
this is a get right game for Clemson. They're gonna
blow Syracuse out. Syracuse struggled with yukon. Syracuse got beat
up by Tennessee in Week one. There's no way they
can play with them. I'm telling you, as you know

(02:36):
you've covered sports for a long time. Football in particular
is about an attitude and the mentality. And there's something
wrong with the attitude, the mindset, and the mentality of
the players at Clemson right now. For whatever reason, they
are just not able to dial in and maintain consistent performance.

(02:58):
In Fran Brown, you better give the guy some respect.
After the season he had last year, cos in that
team to Tenant two and they give him the one
of the hardest schedules in all of FBS this year,
and now he comes out and goes down to Death
Valley and wins there like they won. That guy is
for real, man, They are for real.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Syracuse is on the up and up, These things don't
happen overnight. Mike Gundhy didn't forget how to coach football
at Oklahoma State and Dabbo didn't forget to how to
coach at Clemson. But it doesn't feel like they are
caught up with the times of college football. Saban talked
about this. This drove him out of the game. You

(03:38):
gotta be nil, you gotta be transferred portal friendly, and
you know these are Hall of Fame coaches that are
getting embarrassed.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
You know what. Look, I love Nick to death. Okay,
Obviously the guy taught me basically everything I know about
football him and Built. I don't necessarily agree that you
have to be like gung ho, like one hundred percent
into the nil transfer portal arena in order to compete. Look, obviously,
when you look at a team like Florida State that

(04:13):
revamps their offensive line, revamps both coordinators, and all of
a sudden they go from a what were they two
and twelve last year? I mean and I saw that.
I saw the beginning of that slide last year and
we did their game against Boston College to now this
year being the seventhentths break team in the country. We're
gonna see on Friday. And they did it in large
part by getting a new quarterback, getting a new offensive coordinator,
hold new offensive line, a bunch of guys coming on

(04:34):
the defensive side, and all of a sudden, it turns
Dadiel's got good players. You know, they got Will held
out of the transfer portal from Perdue. Who's their best
defensive player this year? But Peter Woods, TJ. Parker, these guys,
Sammy Brown, Wade Wood As Bryan westco these dudes are
all four and five star kids. They're all four and

(04:56):
five star guys who were good player. There's something, though,
that doesn't connect, that doesn't that they're not able to
get across to these guys as far as playing consistently
for sixty minutes and from week to week. There's just
something weird. Look Bill Bill just revamped his entire roster.
Belichick down in North Carolina. Right, they're all into transfer
a portal. Deon's all into transfer a portal out in Colorado.

(05:18):
It's not working for them. It's not all of a
sudden putting them at the top of the heap. I
think what they're what people are saying though, is maybe
Dabo could be a little bit more selective and a
little bit more of a participant in terms of finding
maybe a couple more pieces that could help get him
back into the national title contention picture. And I don't

(05:39):
disagree with that. But I don't think that all of
a sudden he is doing something that everyone needs to
like hammer him for him and say, well, you know what,
he's just lost it because he doesn't want to play
in the transfer a portal. Nick also has been the
person who has said this, if you you can go
into transfer a portal and you can go gung ho,
and you can throw a bunch of money at these

(05:59):
guys if you want. But if you've picked the wrong guys,
as he says, you're s h I t out of
luck and then that and then what then what are
you gonna do? So I think there's a fine line, man,
there's a fine line.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Are there any great change in college football?

Speaker 3 (06:20):
I don't know if there's great there there. Look, I
think right now I think Miami has the potential to
be a great team. I think, but Georgia is going
to be there in the end. We'll we'll we'll see
what Ohio State looks like when it's all said and done.

(06:41):
I think there there's a there's we'll see what Penn State.
We're gonna find out about them this week against Oregon.
I don't know if there's great teams. I don't know
if there's one team that's just separating themselves from everyone else.
But I think we have some very very quality teams
right now that it's going that it's going to make
uh the CFP very very interesting and very very hotly contested,

(07:02):
which I think is a great for collegelable. You see
it with the ratings so far this year, it's as
good as season as I can remember.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Recently, Lewis Riddick to the mother Ship. He's got the Jets,
Dolphins next Monday night. He'll have Virginia Florida State coming
up on Friday night. Let me turn our attention to
the NFL. The Jackson Dart Do you play him? Do you?

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Easy?

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Man?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
They looked uninspired against the Chiefs, and I'm just not
sure when is a good time to bring in a
rookie quarterback now?

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Now it's tough. Look, I respect Russ, I really do.
I respect his entire career, his process, how he's conducted himself.
All that I think obviously we have to kind of
look and you know, with proper context, the performance that
he had a week ago against Dallas. We saw what

(07:56):
Dallas is defensively, we saw it yesterday. They're going to struggle.
They'll be the worst defense in the league this year.
We also saw what Russ looks like against the championship
caliber defense, which is what Kansas City has. And we
saw how he looked in crunch time. He's like, I
couldn't understand some decision making. He was that that that
you saw on display from him late in that football game,
throwing the football out of the back of the end.

(08:16):
It's like, Rus, what are you doing? Like, You're not
even giving you guys a chance? What do you like?
Come on, I don't I don't believe in the whole
you ruin quarterbacks by playing them too early in particular, Well,
let me put it this way. It's a case by
case thing. We saw it last year with Drake May.
Maybe a lot of people thought you would ruin Drake

(08:37):
May in his rookie season if you played him too early.
He inspired the football team. Okay, you thought, you know,
maybe in Washington, jayde Daniels, can he handle being the
starting quarterback from week one. Yeah, he handled it just fine.
He took them all the way to the NFC title game.
I think Jackson played a lot of football Ole miss.
He was very well schooled at an SEC school. He
infuses that football team with with really with confidence. You

(08:59):
can see either starting to lose the leak neighbors. From
a metal standpoint, he looks so he looks so distraught
again last night, it's like, look, you gotta be careful.
You gotta be careful. You got to kind of like
safeguard the rest of the football team, you know, as
far as keeping these guys engaged. And I think Jackson
could do that for the rest of this team. He
could give him some hope. You can get the fan
base some hope, although they're not the ones playing the games.

(09:20):
Long story short, put him in there now.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
But do you think put him in there now?

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Put him in there for a home game against the
Chargers or a road game against the Saints.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
I think I had mentioned, like back in the preseason
that that game against the Saints on the road would
probably be a good time to put him in there
because he's on the road against him. Maybe a quote
unquote inferior opponent than what the Chargers look like right now.
So maybe that is the time. I don't know. I
would just do it much sooner rather than later. I
wouldn't be opposed to doing it this coming week. Obviously.

(09:52):
You would like for it to be a setup to
where he could come out of the gates really humming
and on fire and feeling confident and not having the
weight of the home crowd on his show. But I
don't think Jackson really cares. I think the guy's played
enough football at a high enough level when you're talking
about college to where he doesn't really care about that.
And honestly, this offense, the kind of things that they
do with this offense when he's in there, the way

(10:13):
they run, the hurry up, the way in which they
spread it out and kind of had him do a
lot of the things he did at Ole Miss. Look,
I think that's gonna work regardless of whether you're in
New Orleans or you're at home against a tough appointed
like the Chargers. Just put him in there. This team
needs that, they need an infusion of energy because right now,
I mean, they just look like dead man walking again.
And how many years has that been? The case at

(10:34):
the beginning of the season with the Giants consecutively. Now
this is the same old story.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I mentioned this to start the show. Sometimes you have
a win that feels like it's one and a half wins,
or you have a loss that's one and a half losses,
like the Rams, that feels like that's one and a
half losses, that you're blowing him out, you're on the road,
and then you lose in dramatic fashion.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah, this is where coaching and leadership comes into play,
because you're right, this can have This can have like
a lingering hangover type of effect right where you're like
still sitting there a week later, going, damn, how did
we lose that? Well, we have twenty six to seven
at halftime, I mean we're absolutely rolling, and all of
a sudden, A J. Brown takes the game over. We
have two block field goals, one return for a touch,

(11:20):
and we lose the game on that. Yeah, you have
to like quickly try and find a way to turn
the page. That's on. That's gonna be on Sean that's
gonna be on Matthew Stafford, that's gonna be on Jared Verst,
that's gonna be on the dudes to say, hey, look,
we gotta flush this thing as painful as it is,
because we know we're a good football team. We had
this team down. I mean, we were absolutely stomping their

(11:40):
backouts and we let them back in it. So leadership,
that's where it comes into play.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I'm not sure I have a strong opinion on the
Bears or Cowboys. When I'm watching that game and it's over,
I don't know how good the Bears are and I
don't know how good the Cowboys are. Yeah, do you
have an assessment of these Do you know who these
teams are going to be this year?

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I think when it comes to the Cowboys, I think
they are exactly who they look like, which is a
team that will be able to put up some points
when Dak is on and if the offensive line stays healthy,
they should be able to run it adequately. But defensively,
they are just not a very stout, tough, physical, grinding,

(12:30):
gritty defense that can stop the run, and they give
up way too many explosives in the past game and
I just don't see that changing. You can't really change
that kind of thing midstream from a talent infusion standpoint,
because where you gonna get the players.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Well, they paid those defensive backs too.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
You're right, But you know what, Trayvon doesn't look the
same does He isn't like he's the same wheels. They're
safeties in their corners don't communicate very well together. You
saw a week ago against the Giants number of coverage busts. Yeah,
you know where people are not playing in Unison. They
don't rush the passer with consistency. Kenny Clark wasn't going
to all of a sudden make them a top five

(13:09):
run stuffing defense. What are the Bear What did the
Bears do? They ran the ball like eleven or twelve
straight times on him on like this grueling, like nine
minute drive. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that
should never happen at the NFL level. You can do
that in college, you shouldn't do that in the NFL level.
To anybody. People are just the people are really challenging
Dallas's manhood from a physicality standpoint, and they have no

(13:29):
answers for it. And I think that's going to be
the case with Chicago. Chicago's trending the right way. Ben
Johnson will get that place going, and he will get
Caleb going and he will even out his performances. And
we know Dennis Allen is a very good defensive coordinator.
He's always been a good defensive coordinator. If I'm putting
on if I'm betting on anybody of those two teams,

(13:50):
I'm for sure putting my money on Chicago. There's no
question about that.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
If the Cowboys offered you the GM job, would you
pass on it?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
I think anybody would simply because that right, it's Dallas.
But I mean, obviously it would. You know you would.
You would hope that it would come with some stipulations,
but I think at the same time you also know
that it will never be just your job. But but
Dallas was like my squad as a kid. I love
the Dallas count I love Tony Dorsett more than life,

(14:20):
So of course I would be interested in it. But
that'll never happen. So I don't even really think about it.
It will never happen for anyone. You all in on
the Chargers absolutely. I think Jim Harpball has such a
unique connection with today's players and with that quarterback and
with Justin in particular. I think the leadership structure on

(14:42):
that football team in the locker room between Justin Joe Wall,
Keenan Allen on the offensive side, Khalil although he's hurt
right now, but he'll be fine dayon Henley Derwin James
on the defensive side. This team is they believe now,
they believe that they're well rounded enough football team to
deal with anybody in the AFC. And I think you're

(15:03):
gonna see that. And for them to come out in
three straight division games like that and win them all,
they are just they are right now infused with so
much confidence and so much like just willingness to kind
of put in the work and do whatever Jim asked
them to do. That's a very powerful combination. They're gonna
be tough to deal with.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Great to talk to you as always, Save travels, Thank
you all right, that's uh Lewis Riddick of the Mothership.

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Speaker 2 (16:42):
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find him on Football Night in America. His latest novel
once again. It's a novel called Big Shield. It's a
tale of gambling, the mob, and pro football league that
is definitely not the NFL. The e book is available
on Amazon for only ninety nine sense. Have you heard
from the NFL at all about this book that's not

(17:04):
supposed to be based on the NFL?

Speaker 8 (17:07):
Not yet?

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Okay, not yet?

Speaker 9 (17:08):
And I think their approach will be just ignore it
and hope it goes away, and let's not make this
into a thing. As you were doing the read though,
it struck me because we don't have an audio book yet,
and I think that people would expect me to do
it despite the very annoying voice that I possessed.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
Would you like it? Could we work something out? Would
you like to do the audio book?

Speaker 4 (17:28):
I think that would How many pages?

Speaker 8 (17:30):
It's four hundred people?

Speaker 9 (17:31):
No, no, no, how about are you going to do
a chapter?

Speaker 4 (17:34):
How about I do a chapter?

Speaker 9 (17:36):
We do a chapter, and we make that the sample,
and then we do the bait and switch so they
think it's your voice, and then when they get it,
they're like, oh no, it's him.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I've done it before, and it's a lot of work.
I had to do it in segments where I'd come
in for a day and do three hours, and then
wait five days and come in and do it, you know,
because it really it's tough on your voice to be
able to do that.

Speaker 9 (18:00):
My agent's been negotiating deals for me to do the
audio version of my three prior novels and this one.
And in theory it sounds good, but no, yeah, in
practice it's probably gonna be an all day thing, frustrating, annoying.
You got to get it just right. Oh I got
a word wrong. I go back and do that again.

Speaker 8 (18:18):
So yeah, Fritzie, Well, the offers open if you want
to do it.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, Fritzie just said that he volunteered. Yet he'd be
happy to do that when.

Speaker 8 (18:25):
We come back. Chapter three. This is the shield on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I little Kevin Harland there, all right. You wouldn't be
able to keep up that energy, definitely not. No, Okay,
you talk about gambling, and I'm watching the Eagles Rams game.

Speaker 8 (18:42):
I know exactly where you're going, Jordan Davis. And here's
the reality. This is the direct result of the NFL.

Speaker 9 (18:51):
Going from hating and shunning anything to do with gambling,
to jumping.

Speaker 8 (18:55):
Right in bed and loading the pockets.

Speaker 9 (18:58):
They're the guy in the you know the old game
show where you go into the booth where the money's
flying everywhere. They're just grabbing as many dollars as they
can while it's there. But yeah, we're all aware now
of the points spread. We're all aware of the ramifications
and how many millions of dollars changed hands because Jordan
Davis decided to do not the smart thing, the smart

(19:20):
thing the game's over, just fall down. You got to
win because in theory, somebody comes up from behind, does
the don beebe to leon?

Speaker 8 (19:26):
Let the ball goes out, the rams take the other way.

Speaker 9 (19:28):
The smart thing to do is go down. He runs
it in for a touchdown. The Eagles cover. Oh and
it was perfectly legitimate. But when you open Pandora's box,
this is the kind of stuff that flies out, and
people are aware of this. So it's just part of
the stuff the NFL needs to be concerned about. And
sometimes I wonder, Dan, are they as concerned as.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
They should be?

Speaker 2 (19:48):
What change though with Roger Goodell? Because everybody was against
gambling and then all of a sudden something changed.

Speaker 8 (19:55):
Well, they were holding.

Speaker 9 (19:57):
The rope as tightly as they could against gambling. Different
states were trying to challenge the federal law from nineteen
ninety two that basically said no states other than the
states that currently have it Nevada can have sports wagering,
and that became different levels and types of legal challenges
until New Jersey finally won.

Speaker 8 (20:18):
But back in the days when the NFL was actively fighting.

Speaker 9 (20:20):
It, that's when the commissioner would say, for example, when
I'm paraphrasing, but if legalized gambling is widespread, normal incidents
of the game will be suspected to have been influenced
by other things, like you know, whether it's a bad
call or a guy not going down, when basic football

(20:43):
expectations would be you've won the game, go down. But
the normal incidents of the game become fodder for the
fixes in and once they recognized, I believe how much
money could be made.

Speaker 8 (20:54):
And the one thing that never.

Speaker 9 (20:54):
Gets talked about is the fact that owners are allowed
to separately own up the five percent of a company
that operates a sports book, and they won't tell you
who owns what, but they're allowed to be the house too.
They don't just have the sponsorships with all the major
sports books. The owners individually can own up to five
percent of companies that operate sports books. That's where the
money is. So it's always followed the money. And I'm

(21:16):
not look, I'm a capitalist. I'm not saying it's wrong,
but that's what happened. They realized, you know what, we've
hated this, we fought against it. If it's gonna be inevitable,
let's turn it into a revenue stream. And they've turned
it into a massive revenue stream.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I hear and I read conflicting reports on the Toushbush.
Is it going to survive? Like it'll survive this season,
but then next season? And I thought when Dean Blandino
live during a broadcast said I give up. I don't
know how to officiate this play, and I thought, that's
the out for the NFL because the safety numbers aren't there.

(21:53):
This is about we can't call this. I don't know
how you can't call somebody. When the guards move on
the Eagles offense line like that, that's easy to call.
Spotting the football is still a challenge on that play.
Is it back next year?

Speaker 9 (22:09):
I think right now, the wind is blowing in the
direction that it won't be and the moment, I believe
based on everything I've seen, everything I've heard, and just
my own kind of like what's really going on here
in the NFC Championship when Frankie Louvou of the Commanders
repeatedly jumped off side to the point where the referee
threatened the Eagles with what would are the Commanders, excuse

(22:30):
me with what would be called a palpably unfair act,
and we're just going to give the Eagles the touchdown.
That's never happened, for it's in the rule book, but
it's never happened. I think the commissioner watching that game,
and I'm assuming it was him, because he's got the
power to make these dominoes fall if he wants.

Speaker 8 (22:46):
I think he saw that and he said, we can't
have this. We just can't have this. So it was
that week Mike Pereira was appearing somewhere.

Speaker 9 (22:52):
And said that that moment could be basically the death noell.

Speaker 8 (22:57):
Of the tush push. It's like, wait a minute, wait
a minute. The effort to stop it, because the effort
to stop.

Speaker 9 (23:01):
It goes to those extremes they're just going to get
rid of the play. But then we saw what happened,
and it's been one straw man after another. Oh, it's
a safety risk. The data doesn't back it up. Well,
it doesn't look like football. Well what the hell does
that mean? And now, Dan, I think you've hit on it.
It's going to be we just can't officiate it. We
just can't officiate it. And I was told yesterday, Look,

(23:21):
it's an extremely difficult played to officiate, and this is
what the membership voted for. And I think that's the
attitude of the league office. I think the league office
generally like to get rid of it. They were two
votes short, sixty eight percent of the team's voted to
get rid of it, to vote short to get the
seventy five percent. And I think once the season ends
there's going to be some arm twisting to get from
twenty two to ten to twenty four to eight and

(23:44):
get rid of it.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
But the Eagles are still going to be successful.

Speaker 9 (23:47):
It's still going to run quarterback sneak that you can't stop,
and the guards are still going to leave early. But
there's just something about that play being the symbol and
the thing, And you're right, it's not going to change
the effectiveness of having a quarterback who can squad five
hundred pounds.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
And I think that their success rate prior to this
rule or using the tush push was very similar to
what their success rate is with it. And it's because
you have a quarterback that is unlike any other quarterback.
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(24:26):
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Speaker 8 (24:29):
Definitely not.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
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Speaker 8 (24:33):
I'm trying to get you, get trying to get you
sued with me. How about that? Oh no, I'll represent
us all for free.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Really?

Speaker 8 (24:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yeah, you against the NFL.

Speaker 8 (24:42):
Yeah, that'd be a book on its own.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
No.

Speaker 9 (24:45):
I mean, I saw the Billy Joel documentary, which was
just awesome, And when the Catholic Church tried to push
back against only the Good Die Young, the end result
was him sending a letter to the archdiocese saying, can
you please do that.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
For all my songs?

Speaker 2 (25:00):
He got a whole lot of publicity there. I'm trying
to figure out if three weeks is long enough three
games to figure out a team, figure out who these
teams are? Is there how many teams do you not
have a handle on.

Speaker 9 (25:15):
I think it's difficult to figure out all of them
because the one thing that we know will happen, there
will be injuries, and how do you deal with the injury?
Is the next man up going to be good enough
to keep things rolling? Can you weather the storm until
the key player comes back? And we know that happens
every year.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
But I think we kind of have an idea. We've
already had an idea.

Speaker 9 (25:34):
The eight teams that legitimately have a chance, do they
fall off due to injury? The Bengals have I don't
know that they were in the eight. Maybe they were
in the ten or the twelve. But we know the
good teams, we know the bad teams. It's in between.
Is there a team that is just going to catch
lightning in a bottle? Is something going to happen? Are
they going to get better on the fly? Teams always

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change from week one to week eighteen. It's such a
long season. They're going to get better, they're going to
get worse. And it could be that one of these
teams in the middle of the pack, and I think
back to the Patriots the year they won their first
Super Bowl. They were like five and five ten games in.
It can break one way or the other. We see
that happen. But right now we know the best, we
know the worst, and then there's this cluster of we

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don't know and we'll find out.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
I thought about this yesterday watching games and what's going
on with the Clippers with Kawhi Leonard and Steve Balmer.
What would prevent owners from doing side deals and circumventing
the salary cap in any sport.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
I think if you're.

Speaker 8 (26:34):
Smart, you can get away with it.

Speaker 9 (26:36):
You can always get away with finding a way to
funnel money to somebody. After Pablo Toure reported on what
was going on with the Clippers, allegedly someone reached asked
me and said, you know what, there was a team
twenty years ago that had a separate in house video
production company and they would use that to pay players

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who weren't on the team to keep them from going
to play for other teams. And it was a great
little way to have a side roster that you's stashed.
And everybody was properly compensated, so they weren't looking for
other jobs. But you had these extra guys and how
many it was. But that's what they did, and the
sense I got is that they weren't the only team.
Now I don't believe that's currently happening still, but how

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hard would wait?

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Why wouldn't you think that would be happening in any
sport if.

Speaker 9 (27:25):
You're smart and if you're discreet, and if you can
trust the people that you're giving the money to. I
think that's the key, though, because it's one thing for
a guy to keep his mouth shut while he's being.

Speaker 8 (27:36):
Paid by you.

Speaker 9 (27:37):
But I'd think if this was something widespread over the
past thirty years of the salary cap, if there was
something like that, I'd like to think someone would have
spilled the beans by now.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
Somebody would be pissed off about how it all ended.

Speaker 9 (27:48):
I didn't get that last check, or you owe me
a little bit more, or you know, guy just is
out one night and he has a couple of pops
and he decides to say something to a reporter. I'm
surprised we haven't heard more about it, because I think
I think it's naive to assume and Pablo had a
great take last week about Steve Balmer. You know, these
really rich guys can buy anything and everything they want
except that championship, and it's got to drive them crazy.

Speaker 8 (28:12):
So what do they have? They have money. Let's find
a way to throw more of the money at this
thing that we can't buy.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Tom Brady did the Bears game yesterday with the Cowboys,
and then his Raiders are going to be playing the
Bears coming up. The conflict of interest is sort of
lingering there and probably going to heat up a little
bit more next week. How do you see this end
or does it end in a different way.

Speaker 9 (28:38):
It was hiding in plainsight for all of us to
see for over a year.

Speaker 8 (28:43):
But it just shows you the power.

Speaker 9 (28:45):
Of actually seeing something because the moment we saw the
incredible shrinking Tom Brady, because as soon as he realized
he was on screen, he hit that button and down
that seat went because he knew, he knew this isn't
going to end well, because that woke everyone up, we
already should have known existed.

Speaker 8 (29:02):
You can't reconcile his two jobs.

Speaker 9 (29:04):
I think what's gonna happen because the NFL doesn't want
to admit we never should have allowed him to pick
both lanes.

Speaker 8 (29:10):
We should have told him when we did the vote.

Speaker 9 (29:12):
Last October on allowing him into the club, you got
to pick one or the other.

Speaker 8 (29:15):
You can't do both. I think what will happen. It'll
be like the Tush push.

Speaker 9 (29:19):
If the Raiders ever become really, really good, that's when
there's going to be this ground swell.

Speaker 8 (29:25):
This can't continue.

Speaker 9 (29:26):
Tom Brady can't continue to be at these games and
gather this information. Dan the one point that gets lost
in all this, because there's been a lot of talk about, well,
how much do you really get from a production meeting?

Speaker 8 (29:35):
The real value.

Speaker 9 (29:36):
Is being on the field before the game, when you
can hobnob, when people are gonna come, they want to
talk to you, They're gonna come tell you things they
shouldn't tell you. You can see what a player looks like.
He looks different on TV than he looks on the field.
And so it's not just getting ready to face the Bears.
It's which free agents from this team, what I maybe

(29:59):
like to say sign Which assistant coaches are the ones
who are really really the ones? You know, the media
has an idea of who the ones who are up
and comings should be. But I'm in a position to
find out who's really making this team go. He's in
an incredible situation that no other owner is in to
gather information.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
That can be used.

Speaker 9 (30:17):
And Antonio Pierce, the former coach of the Raiders, he
said it all last week. He told Adam Shine, I
know that it's useful because he gave me that information
last year.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
How does Kirk Cousins get traded.

Speaker 9 (30:28):
Well, there's going to have to be a serious season
ending injury for a team that doesn't want to go
next man up, and the Bengals for now are next
man up.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
And look, the Bengals aren't going to want to.

Speaker 9 (30:38):
Give up draft picks because those are cheap young players.
They're not going to want to pay Kirk Cousins. And
the Falcons are going to want whoever takes on Kirk
Cousins to pick up a major chunk of his twenty
seven and a half million dollar guaranteed salary this year.
But it's going to have to line up just right,
and I don't know that it will. I think the
one place could be Minnesota because that's the easiest place
to pop him back in if, for example, Jay Jan

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McCarthy comes back and gets injured again and it's a
longer term injury, and they feel like they can salvage
the season and they don't want to ride with Carson Wentz,
who who looked okay yesterday. He wasn't horrible. He didn't
throw a left handed interception in his own end zone.
So that's progress. So it's gonna be something where it's
gotta fall just right. And it could be that the
Falcons decide at some point this year that we're not

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going to trade him, because we're gonna put Michael Pennix
on the bench like the Panthers did last year with
Bryce Young and let him take a step back and
regroup because yesterday was rough for Penis and the Falcons.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Your favorite part of the book is what well.

Speaker 9 (31:40):
The book is told from the perspective of the three
main characters, and the first draft of the book it
unfolded in a somewhat different way with a different main character.

Speaker 8 (31:51):
I decided, and it's a long story, so keep it simple.

Speaker 9 (31:53):
That part got carved out, and I put a new
part in with a new main character who's like the
mob figure, who's the guy who gathers the professional athletes
because it's not just a professional football player in the
league that isn't the NFL. It's a professional basketball player
in the league that isn't the NBA, and a professional
baseball player in the league that isn't the MLB. But
he's the he's the guy that makes this thing go.

(32:16):
And he was the most fun to write, the most
fun to revise and edit, because when you get a book,
you gotta read it twenty times. It's like, I really
don't want to read this again, but every time I'd
read Johnny Motts is the name of the character. Any
Johnny Motts chapter was just fun because he's he's he's malicious,
but he's stupid, but he's smart, and he's also got
a conscience. And it's this complex character that is just

(32:38):
a lot of fun because he thinks like a mobster,
he talks like a mobster, and that's just always fun
to read and and just kind of envision what that
guy's like.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Did you ever have any dealings with the mob when
you were gambling?

Speaker 8 (32:50):
I never gambled. I never gambled.

Speaker 9 (32:52):
My dad was a bookie though okay, my dad was
a bookie and he was connected to the crew in
the town where I grew up in Wheeling, West Virginia,
and the first two I did are based on inspired
by I don't want to say based on I want
to say inspired by I don't think any of them
are left, but just in case. But he was a
bookie connected to that crew, and so I knew a
lot of the people who when I grew up and

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was able to like google names and see what they
had done or allegedly had done, it was like, oh,
almost said a word I shouldn't say, but it was like.

Speaker 8 (33:24):
Man, like, you know, those are some bad dudes.

Speaker 9 (33:26):
And my dad was on the periphery of it because
he was just basically he was a compulsive gambler who
realized it's better to be the house so he became
a bookie. But he was just the gambling side of it.
And I'm not condoning it or excusing it. That was
the way provided for his family.

Speaker 8 (33:39):
I was a kid.

Speaker 9 (33:39):
There was nothing I could do about it, and my
mom did a great job of keeping those worlds separate,
but there was enough overlap where yeah, I picked up
a lot how they talk, how they act, just the
vibe that they have that I was around a lot
of guys like that, and I was oblivious to the
fact that, you know, they they were capable of doing
some pretty bad stuff.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
The book is called Big Shield.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
It's the tale of gambling the mob in a pro
football league that is not the NFL. Once again, it
is not. The book available on Amazon for only ninety
nine cents.

Speaker 9 (34:11):
Do you read books? No, you have all these books
and you don't read them. It's a library here, by
the way, I haven't been to this location. Congratulations, because
this is incredible. The last place was great, but this
is like the last place on steroids.

Speaker 8 (34:24):
I mean, it's huge, and it's open, and you got
so much stuff and it's all.

Speaker 9 (34:29):
You could wander around here for like three hours and
not see everything.

Speaker 8 (34:33):
It really is incredible.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Thank you, Mike. Great to see you. Great to see you,
Mike Floria.

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Speaker 2 (34:49):
Well, welcome back the Hall of Famer, three times Super
Bowl champ and Super Bowl MVP Steve youngback on the program.
Paully just telling me about the Justin Herbert throw and
said it might be the greatest throw he's ever seen. Physically,
the greatest throw that he's ever seen. Dan Orlovsky of

(35:10):
the Mothership said only five players can make that pass.
You've seen the play. How great was the pass by
Justin Herbert?

Speaker 10 (35:20):
It was amazing? And I agree with that. Physically, what
you have to be able to do the strength to
climb the pocket, to be mobile enough to find the space.
I thought for a second he might throw it left handed,
how good he is, but he did grapple with his
right going left and across his body. I mean, it's
just it's why you'd always think why do guys get paid?

Speaker 11 (35:43):
Why quarterbacks?

Speaker 10 (35:45):
It's a really tough job Dan, as you know, and
to me, Justin's a guy like, first of all, just
take it from an artistic perspective. I mean, if you're
just an appreciator of the throwing motion as an art form,
Justin Herbert is the most Lisa right, like he he
and Andrew Luck. In my mind with the two guys,
when I watched them throw, I'm like, oh ho, you

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know you get light headed.

Speaker 11 (36:08):
You know you're like, oh.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's nice, that's sweet.

Speaker 10 (36:13):
You know, people around me when I'm watching him play,
You're like, well, Steve, relaxed, bro, it's you know, it's
not the but but then he's been unleashed a little
bit with Jim and Harbough.

Speaker 11 (36:23):
I appreciate.

Speaker 10 (36:24):
Uh, he was like a kept man and I didn't
like it. He was getting beat up. He was hanging
in the pocket too long. And I think, you know,
I really liked when he's come out this season. He
won a game with his legs the other day, like
he is more mobile in his mind, Like, Okay, I'm
attacking the line of scrimmage, and you know how I
feel about that. You have to be able to attack
alant of scrimmage in today's game because it's so much

(36:46):
of a differentiator and there's so much free yards and
touchdowns to go get. So as you think about that
throw he was doing that, I'm I don't see anybody.
I'm gonna start get out of the pocket, try to
find some space.

Speaker 11 (36:58):
I might run it. I might.

Speaker 10 (37:00):
And so he's the kind like Josh Allen who were
the five. He thinks that can do it. I mean,
it's Patrick, it's Josh Lamar could maybe do that. It's uh,
Joe Burrow maybe I mean, you know, I mean, it's
just there's a few guys, right, there's a few guys
that could do that.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Aaron Rodgers maybe Aaron.

Speaker 10 (37:18):
You know, I mean Aaron in you know, a little
younger Aaron. Maybe I think that Aaron's a little bit
more sedate. But yeah, I think that there's no question
as far as arm capability and athleticism.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, all right, is there a team you're jumping on
the bandwagon. Now you've seen enough where you go, all right,
I'm all in on them.

Speaker 10 (37:38):
Well, you have to kind of say Philadelphia because they're
they're they're built the locker room, they've been tested, they've
been battle tested, they've been through it. And then you know,
to see what happened yesterday is one of those catapults like,
oh yeah, it's happening.

Speaker 11 (37:55):
I know it's still the preseason in September.

Speaker 10 (37:58):
It takes three or four weeks of a of a
of this of the year, you know, of of the
seasons these days where you know, preseason is not really preseason.

Speaker 11 (38:06):
This is the preseason, so you just don't know for sure.

Speaker 10 (38:09):
But if I had to bet on a team that's
going to be there at the end, I would say
the Bills, and the and the and the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I watched the Bears and the Cowboys, and it was entertaining.
But it's one of those games that I'm not sure
if it means anything. It was just entertaining. At the
end of the year, we might look back and say,
oh yeah, Caleb, it looked great against the Cowboys. Do
you have an idea of how good these teams are?

Speaker 4 (38:35):
No?

Speaker 11 (38:35):
And I don't they know, No one could.

Speaker 10 (38:37):
I mean, like I said, today's game, they limit so
much the time between coaches and quarter and quarterbacks and
the team players with quick OTAs and then a preseason
that's abbreviated, and they can't you know, it's not gonna
lot of contact. It's like, look, they throw the freegency
is as wild as ever been. Like you throw a
team together and then you just you know, it's like
throw the mechanic in the trunk, right, we're gonna We're

(38:58):
gonna figure it out as we go. And so that's
why I say, the first four weeks you really don't
know who you are. The really good teams show up,
the really bad teams show up, and everyone in the
middle is like, Okay, let's just hope we're two and
two or three and one by the end of this,
and then we'll start to figure out who we are.
But to me, that game like the Cowboys are just

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I mean, you've heard me talk about it forever. They're
just flawed from the top because they don't you know,
the owner doesn't empower the coach to go get anything done,
and so it's just in the end, they just flail around.

Speaker 11 (39:29):
So I don't the Cowboys, I just whatever. The Bears.

Speaker 10 (39:33):
I mean, look, they have a coach that's proven offensive,
mine an innovative mine and Caleb.

Speaker 11 (39:38):
Quarterbacks are ten places like that.

Speaker 10 (39:41):
It's more than that now because I really think the
league's got a lot more innovative minds thanks to Kyle
Shanahan and Sean McVay and Andy Reid and their trees
and Sean Payton. They're trees of coaches are now flooded
the NFL. So it's it's better for quarterbacks. And so
I think coach Johnson, I think Caleb. I think they'll
be a good marriage. As he the coach is now
ever had a mobile quarterback before he said, look, I've

(40:02):
never coached a mobile quarterback. Well, you know, there's things
that are new there, so there's that even preseason going on.
But I love what happened for the Bears yesterday. They
needed it and it was just a sign that there's
life there.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
What's different with Daniel Jones.

Speaker 10 (40:16):
You know, when he was in New York, if you
think about it, when they quieted his mind down. Daniel
is one of those guys that's very athletic. He thinks
he can do it all. And what he tries to
do it all things go. You know, the oil starts
to fly all over there. You know, it's just you know,
it's crazy. And so what he was when they quieted
it down and asked less and ran the football and

(40:36):
simplified things, it got better. And so I think what's
happened is you got to one of those places where
you know it's an offensive mind that clicks with him
and they run the football. And you know how it works, Dan,
Things get simpler when linebackers and safeties are freaking out
worried about running football all of a sudden, play action bam.
And when things are clear and simple for him, he perform.

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And so I think that's how it works, and I
think it can happen. I mean, I don't think it's
just a fluke. I think that Daniel can be under
the right circumstances. The truth is, I think a lot
of guys if they can find the place that resonates
with them, which is not everywhere, which is not even
half of the teams. Quarterback, if I've said to you
many times, if I could play today and I could

(41:23):
run to any you know football NFL team today, where
would you want to play? Well, there's three that I'd
run to right now, and then there's ten that I
would like, Eh, all right, I'll go there, and there's fifteen.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
I'm like, no, give me the teams you would run to,
I've go to.

Speaker 11 (41:40):
San Francisco, the Rams and the Chiefs.

Speaker 10 (41:44):
Those are the innovative minds that for someone that since
the rule changes in ten years ago or eight years ago,
they're the ones that had the tactical advantage because of
their innovation, because they saw the opportunity and immediately, you
know with them, incredible minds just started to change the
game and you remember what and then you know they've

(42:05):
had to reiterate and reinvent themselves as their coaches went
out were hired by other teams because they saw what
happened with Miami and Minnesota and Green Bay and like
you just go around the lead.

Speaker 11 (42:16):
Now it's everywhere to Jacksonville.

Speaker 10 (42:17):
Like there's guys that have just come from those trees
that have innovative minds that have seen it and go, Okay,
this is what we're gonna do. That's why I think
the tactical advantage from those guys has gone. You know,
it's lost a little bit, but they have to reinvent
themselves again. And but those are the three places I
would sprint to.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Talking to Hall of Famer Steve Young, if you were
gonna give advice, what quarterback do you think needs advice?

Speaker 11 (42:42):
What?

Speaker 4 (42:42):
What do you mean?

Speaker 11 (42:43):
Like like every quarterback? What are you? What are you
talking about?

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Like you mean like Josh Allen? Does Josh Allen need advice?

Speaker 11 (42:52):
Well, everybody's.

Speaker 10 (42:53):
Everyone has to continue to iterate their game and really
take the positives. Like Josh he was to be Superman.
It wasn't really advice that I would give to his game.
It was like, please, please Bill's please Bill's offense. Please
give him some help so that he doesn't have to
be Superman all the time. Because when you have to
be Superman all the time, just like Patrick Mahomes was
trying to be Superman four or five years ago. Then

(43:15):
you get into games and you just things go, hey,
why are again like you have to be able to
calm your mind to be you know, delivered from the pocket,
not have to be Superman every play, and then when
they ask you to for four or five plays a game, like, yeah,
no problem. And so everyone needs advice and everyone needs
help and it's not necessarily about them. So much of
it is you know, everyone says, oh, the commodity in

(43:36):
the NFL is coaching.

Speaker 11 (43:38):
Yeah, just get a coach.

Speaker 10 (43:40):
Like that's the offensive coordinators, the play callers, the best
in the game are like the Josh Allens are, like
the Patrick Mahomes are, like the Lamar Jackson's. There's there's
a few, and you've got to search them out and
find him and and when they when they meet another
great talent. That's why people go to the super Bowl.

(44:00):
And so just do not think that the talent to
be a great offensive coordinator, and especially an innovative kind
of game we have today where there's all kinds of
cool stuff you can do. Those guys are differentiators. So
the advice I would give to quarterbacks. Every one of
them find somebody like that, because they're not They're not

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a diamond does in.

Speaker 11 (44:21):
That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
What would you say to Lamar Jackson if he came
to you and said, Steve, what do you think of
my mind? Wow?

Speaker 10 (44:26):
I would love that because Lamar is my guy. Like,
I think Lamar could be the greatest player of all time.
And I've said this for years, and I think the
Ravens have hurt.

Speaker 11 (44:35):
They haven't hurt me. I mean, they don't care.

Speaker 10 (44:36):
But I'm just saying four or five years ago, they
were the most sophisticated running game in history, and they
win a lot of games, and they'd go to the
playoffs and just flail because the game is a sophisticated
passing game.

Speaker 11 (44:50):
Is still what matters. Great running games are great.

Speaker 10 (44:54):
But and then Lamar just was not being challenged to
be a sophisticated passer and I knew he could be.
And then years ago you saw them transition and they
got the help he needed a receiver and made a
commitment to it and believed in him and then started
to call a place to do that. So I think
that transition is happening and That's why Lamar continues to
thrive and can get better and better. I would say

(45:15):
to Lamar, keep on this track. Make sure every week
that you're doing the study. Like it's quarterback sucks in
a lot of ways during the week, because it's a
it's a it's a memorization game. It's reflexive memorization, so
that when you get to the game, you've studied enough
that you know that all the tendencies you know, you
know in the red zone, blitz tendencies, you know, you

(45:38):
watched enough film. So much of it is just a
mind game. And I would just tell him, like he
is obviously doing the work, just double down every every
every week, every season, like double down on the mind game.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
How much of the position is being an entertainer.

Speaker 10 (45:57):
Look, I would I wouldn't call a entertainer. I would
call it a psychologist. Like you, the game really demands
a dynamic human being that can deal with people. You know,
bespoke right where everybody is different and everybody needs to be.
Some guys can get yelled at, and some guys you
can't yell. You got to kind of like pat them

(46:19):
on the back. Some guys you got to find different
ways to communicate, but you always have to be accountable,
and it's just a dynamic situation.

Speaker 11 (46:26):
So the entertainment part.

Speaker 10 (46:28):
Is really in the in the doing and in the
getting the guys together, getting your office of lying to
believe that it's okay that you get paid ten times
that the amount they do and they have to get
to fight every week and you don't, and you get
to be on TV. And like there's all kinds of
dynamics in the locker room, there's dynamics with the media.
So in that way, I would say, yeah, that's a
huge quot the way you're asking the question, But I

(46:49):
don't think it's necessarily like can you sing and dance?
Like it's there's fundamentals to it. It's a it's a
like I said many times, I've poured myself into playing
and there's nothing like it, and ever since, there's nothing
like what.

Speaker 11 (47:03):
I had to do to try to be good or
great in the in the NFL.

Speaker 10 (47:06):
And so in that way, the forty quarterbacks are just
it's an awesome, brutal opportunity to be amazing if you
can figure out how to pour yourself into it and
give everything ounce of yourself.

Speaker 11 (47:17):
But that entertainment side of it. That's pretty you know,
to me, that's what it's entertaining to Dan.

Speaker 10 (47:24):
When you're good or you're great, when you're winning and
you're you're making great plays like justin Herbert, that's entertainment, right,
is that what you're talking about?

Speaker 11 (47:30):
Yeah, Like that's that's excellence.

Speaker 10 (47:32):
That's just that's the tip of the spear kind of
awesome physical, emotional, like the really, the way he got
there was not just because he's a great athlete, and
why you got there is because he's a gritty, tough, minded,
you know, dynamic human being that can get everybody fired
up to go play some you know, go ram into
people and and get into a fight and support you.

Speaker 11 (47:53):
So to me, yeah, that's entertainment, and it is you
have to have that.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I asked this question last week. What do you hear
when you're in the pocket, Like when you step up
in the pocket, what do you what do you hear?

Speaker 11 (48:06):
I heard Reggie White yelling like he screamed, like he
was a screamer. Like Reggie's like like you heard him
coming like a train.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
He would just like, Bro, you're already you're six six
five hundred, not with the screaming, you know, but you know.

Speaker 10 (48:28):
It's like the white noise of the crowd, like people say,
do you what do you hear? It's like, it's just
it's the job. It takes so much focus and so
much like you think about just the anticipatory throwing as
you see people moving and now know how to you
know where you need to let it go at the
time you need to let it go. Nobody's open. Nobody's like,

(48:49):
oh he's open, let me throw it. Like that's college, man,
that's high school. Like, nobody's open. When you throw it,
you have to throw it well before something happens. And
so in that way, that focus is so great. It's
not like, oh, I you know a reginally I did here.
I have to admit that's why I said it, but
but I just it's just it's just white noise. It's
like just whatever, like uh, you know I didn't uh.

(49:12):
And then you know if no one here, I mean,
you hear it. The only thing you hear is is
after the play, you know, stupid. I mean, what defensive
line has ever said anything? You really understand? You know
how the their faces pushed to the helmet, you know,
and you know your mother know. I'm like, my mom,
want what's the problem? But did they You're screaming something

(49:35):
that I don't. I don't get your your face is
squished in your helmet. You don't you're you're gurgling something.
I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
Bro, they tried to trash talk you.

Speaker 11 (49:45):
Yeah, but you don't understand that. Like, I know you're
trying to get to me, but Bro, I cannot understand you.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Man, But Lawrence Taylor, any of those guys, mean, it's like.

Speaker 11 (49:56):
You know, it's like just a bunch of gobbledygook.

Speaker 10 (49:59):
I mean this eighties and it's corner splits in corners
and safeties.

Speaker 11 (50:03):
I was like, you know, but defens a lineman. Just no, no,
not much there.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Did Dion ever try to talk you?

Speaker 10 (50:10):
Oh he's the best, the best, you know, he told
me Dan it was amazing when he joined the forty
nine ers.

Speaker 11 (50:16):
He turned me.

Speaker 10 (50:17):
He grabbed me early and said, look, Steve, what I
want you to know is that I'm an amazing teammate.
And in the locker room, I do my prep. I'm
ready to play, and you'll never doubt me the rest
of it. Just get some popcorn, and watch the parade
bro because it's a it's a good one. And he
was exactly right. He never he was always ready to play.
He was a creatible teammate. He was great in the

(50:38):
locker room and there was a parade man and we
just kind of watched it.

Speaker 11 (50:41):
It was fun. Uh he was Yeah, Dion, could you
know Dian was in the middle of entertaining. And you
talk about.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Entertainment, there you go, Yeah, that there he is.

Speaker 11 (50:51):
He was that good that he could be great and
entertain the whole way. That's not easy to do.

Speaker 10 (50:56):
So you can do it from corner. You can do
it from corner because it's a hard our job physically,
but uh, you know, it's not like you know, you
have to anticipatory throwing at twenty two guys running around
like it's it's a different game. So and that way
you could you could say, you know what, I'm gonna
be great and I'm gonna make you, you know, laugh,
or entertain or make you whatever.

Speaker 11 (51:15):
You know. I think you could do it from there.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
But he have been a Hall of Fame receiver if
he just played offense.

Speaker 10 (51:20):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure, no question. He kept
in when when I was with him that one year
went the Super Bowl. He kept going over there and
I said, look, let's let's cool, let's cool, let's get
some let's get some routes in the Super Bowl. We
finally we threw it late in the game. We did
something just we owed him to him because he did
so much work on the offense. He was like, he
did a lot of prep work to be useful if needed,

(51:42):
you know what I mean. And uh, I love that
because I was like, the idea was just He's like,
he's just throw it, don't worry, just stop back and
just rip it and then I'll take care of the rest.
I believed it, man, I believe it is possible to dude.
He you know, Dad, he was one of the rare
guys that defied your eye. You know, as a as

(52:05):
a player, when you talk about keen sense of physical abilities,
you had to know what a corner could do and
how fast they could break, and how just a minute
nature of how people moved and and you got a
sense of it, like a heightened sense of it, so
you knew exactly what was happened on the field and
who could do what, and there's a timing to it
and then Dion was different, like he would he would

(52:26):
shock you. You're like, wait, you're not you can't move
that way. There's not it's not possible. There was a
time when he was with Atlanta early on. It's like
I'm just not going over there because I can't got
I can't gauge it. It was like something you couldn't
I couldn't give a handle on it because it was
his speed was so incredible.

Speaker 11 (52:42):
I was like I can't. I'm not gonna touch you
for a little while.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
It's like, thanks for sharing. Great to talk to you again.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Steve the man, everybody that's Steve Young,