October 3, 2025 • 47 mins
HOF pitcher CC Sabathia breaks down Yankees P Cam Schlittler's legendary performance last night and describes what it was like making his postseason debut shortly after turning 21. Charlie Sheen breaks down his new book and documentary and opens up on past trouble in his life. HOF quarterback Kurt Warner shares advice for Dillon Gabriel ahead of his NFL debut in London this weekend and weighs in on the Russell Wilson HOF debate.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
CC Sabbathia Hall of Famer World Series Champ with the
Yankees back in nine. MLB's postseason continues this weekend the
Divisional Series TBS, Fox Sports one, MLB Network airing pre
and postgame coverage. Good to see you again. How old
were you with your first playoff game?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I was twenty twenty years old my first playoff game
pitched in. I just turned twenty one, I'm sorry. Pitched
in the playoff game in two thousand and one against
the Mariners, that team that had won when they won
one hundred and fourteen games, So I pitched game three
of that series.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
What do you remember like being twenty one? How can
that help you in a situation like that?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I mean, it can help you by not knowing what
you're walking into and not understanding, you know, the gravity
or the magnitude of the games you're pitching. For me,
you know, being a huge fan and sports fan my
whole life, and understanding you know, what it meant to
be an ace, you know, I'm throwing that up there
with air quotations. Being twenty one years old, I wanted
(01:11):
to go out and you know, have that postseason that
everybody's like, oh my god, look at this guy. You know,
he's the greatest pitcher. Jared Wright had just did that
in ninety seven. You know, he was the young guy
and took that team all the way to the World Series.
So you know that that was kind of my thinking.
I got into the game, and you know, I was
a little nervous. I think I gave up three runs
(01:31):
in the first inning. And I'm walking off the field
and Robbie Alamar comes and he goes, hey, you know
how you feeling. I'm like, you know, I'm good. I'll
be fine, and he as we're walking back to the bench,
he looked and he says, don't shake off en Ard.
The rest of the game. En Rds was our catcher.
He was like, whatever he puts down, just call the pitchers.
(01:51):
So I, you know, didn't shake him off. Go six innings,
give up three runs. The only three runs I gave
up was in that first inning. And after the game
they tell me that Robbie was calling the pitchers for
second base. Robbie called the game from second base.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
W what's it like When Ken Griffy Junior comes to
the play.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
He wasn't on that team. He wasn't on that that was. Yeah,
so that was each Rose rookie year. That was uh,
Mike Cameron, uh you know Brett Boone those guys. Uh
So that was that. That was that first year he
had just went to uh Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Okay, and each row had your number.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Each row hit me good. That he hit me good
up until I figured out I had to move his feet.
Once I figured out I had to move his feet,
and I get him uncomfortable. Then I then at my
later part of my career, I started having some success
against each y.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Explain that moving your feet just.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Like getting him off his spot. You know, he was
just he would be super comfortable in the box. And
you know, for me, you know, I need to be
be able to, you know, command the inside part of
the play to a lefty and be able to throw
my slot down on the way. At that time, when
I was twenty one years old, I only threw like
a big, looping curve ball. I didn't have a slider
at that time, so I really had nothing to get
him out with. And then accidentally, one time when I
(03:12):
was in New York, they came into New York and
I actually he threw one up and end like literally
just got away and it swooped him, you know. And
ever since then, I was like, oh, okay, all right,
I figured it out. Now, So after that the matter,
you know, I would throw one kind of clothes and
then I would just go to work.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Cam Schlitter had eleven pitches of one hundred miles per
hour or more. That seems to be the norm. Now
I'm surprised when guys don't throw one hundred miles an hour.
Where's this going?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, but the way he commanded it last night, you know,
I mean he was just just filling it up, just
strike after strike. I mean I sat down really close.
I was, you know, right next to the Boston Red Sox,
you know, on deck circle he was throwing BB's. I mean,
it looked like he was throwing two hundred miles an
hour and he's got an eighty four mile an hour slider,
(04:04):
you know what I mean. So that difference in miles
an hour is just such a huge you have to
really pick one. As soon as you start picking one
and guessing one, then you're laid on the heater and
you know, he throws two of those, and it's oh two.
So I mean the way. I mean, there's a lot
of guys that can throw hard, right, but the way
he commanded the baseball last night was very impressive.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I remember Mark Grace saying, I'll hit your fastball. I'm
going to hit the fastball because I it's the breaking ball.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It always comes back to the breaking ball, you know,
because he said, we see a hundred, if it's not moving,
we'll hit it. But I don't know, like, is there
a big difference between ninety six and one hundred.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I mean, yes, I do think so. I mean honestly,
I haven't stood in the box and face either one.
But when I hear these guys talk, you know, I
heard Julio Rodriguez the other day talking about his ideal fastball,
like what was what would be the miles an hour?
And you know, to me, when I was coming up,
it would have been like, you know, I would think
ninety two, ninety three, Like he's like, I needed ninety
(05:09):
six mile hour fastball. So for him to even be
thinking like ninety six is a perfect hitting speed is
insane because, like I said, when I was coming up,
or you know, during my time, there just wasn't guys
that were able to do that consistently like it is
now so that that I mean, that's the hitting speed,
which is crazy, And like you said, where does it go?
I have no idea. I mean, you got kids in
(05:31):
high school right now, you know, top of one hundred
and you know, just getting bigger, fashion or stronger. So.
But but if you can't command it, if you can't
throw strikes with it, there's really no point of you
being able to throw that hard.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
But if you're throwing that hard, is the philosophy going
to continue to be throw as hard as you can
for as long as you can, and then we bring
in somebody else?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I think so, I think unless we kind of change
the rules right or do something that can you know,
help you know, starting pitching, you know, develop I mean
even in the even in the lower stages. You go
to some of these perfect Game tournaments or all this stuff.
You know, I had a twenty two year old, I
got a fifteen year old going through it now. I
mean they're pitching that four inding clips, you know what
(06:13):
I mean, where they go out in these tournaments and
the four innings the best stuff that you have and
then won't bring somebody else in So they're even being
trained to not even be a starting pitcher, right like
you gonna have to go five innings to get a win,
and these, you know, the kids are coming up where
they're they're not even qualifying to get wins. So I
think something has to change where you know, we get
(06:34):
back to you know, starting pitching, because that's what kind
of like when it was Dave Stewart against you know,
whoever else, that's when you want to watch the game,
when it's Roger Clemens against you know, Pedro, that's the
top billing rights. That's how you get god people to
watch baseball throughout the season when you can have these
starting pitching matchups.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
We're talking to CC Sabathia, the Hall of Famer joining
us on behalf of MLB's postseason coverage. How do you
explain Clayton Krushawn's curveball?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Now, I mean it's it's uh, it's really twelve to
six and it's uh, you know, it's one of those
things we were talking about the other day, you know,
really just kind of him and Barry Zito have had that,
you know, left handed curveball where you can throw a
fastball at the top of the zone and then throw
that curveball off of that thing, and you know, hitters
(07:23):
really have no chance. I mean, and even this year,
I feel like, you know, he's pitching so free and
understanding and knowing that you know, no matter what happens,
his legacy is cemented right Like he's going to the
Hall of Fame. He's got three thousand strikeouts World Series.
He's one of the best pictures of the generation. So
I feel like this year he's been pitching more free
(07:43):
and you've seen you've been seeing great results. So I'm
excited hopefully for him to get a start in this playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Anybody similar to show Hey o Tani, if you were
recall facing somebody that was similar to Otani, No.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I mean no, I don't think there's anything. I mean,
I guess I guess you. You can say Barry, but
you know Barry can't go out and throw seven and
he shut up baseball.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Let me take away the pitch. Let me let me
take away the pitching part of it. I'm talking about
facing a batter.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
The best I mean left handed. No, there there is
nobody left handed that I feel like I faced that
that was that good. I mean, yeah, I've been I
didn't face Bonds a lot I was in. I was
in the American League. I faced him one time in
an All Star Game, so you know, I didn't get a
chance to face him that much. But you know, like
(08:38):
for me, it would have to be like a poo
Hoos or you know, Manny Ramirez or you know Miguel Cabrera.
Those were all is the hardest guy for me to
get out, and I would have to imagine show hates
the same way. I mean, you know, we show up
to l A and you know, he's four pitches in,
he hits one hundred mile hour fastball on the INSI
part of the play like out. I mean, he's the
way he shows up on you know, on Q. You know,
(09:00):
like we go to Tokyo DOMI it's a home run
in Tokyo Dome in Japan. Like the way that he
can show up in a baseball game and impact a
game is incredible.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But how defeating is it the first guy you face
hits a home run?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
No, I mean when you're starting. And I think that
was always my problem. I never felt like I was
out of it, Like even when they were coming to
get the ball, I could be seven giving up seven
runs in the third inning, and I'm like, nah, like
I'm right there, I'm telling Piztures away from getness thing, right.
So for me, it was always like no, no, no,
I could get this thing on track. So I never
felt defeated. I think that was always my problem.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
When did you learn or how did you learn about
the rivalry with the Red Sox Yankees when you know
you were Cleveland and Milwaukee then you go to New York. Well,
are you taught to hate the Red Sons?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
No, I think it's just something that happens. And I
think you know, throughout the Al East, I think with
the Yankees, it can be different teams at different times, right,
Like there's always the between the Yankees and the Red Sox.
And you understand that, you know that when you came over,
Like I remember, you know that first year in O nine,
it was the end of April. It was the first
time we were going into Boston and it felt like,
(10:13):
you know, they were talking about like it was a
playoff series. We had just signed all these guys, myself,
switch Tech, Shara aj Burnett, and you know the way
that they talked about that series. You know, you would
have thought that it was you know, October, so that
was kind of my introduction to it. But you know,
there there could be points. You know, we had fights
(10:33):
with Toronto. There was times in you know when Baltimore
was the best in the division. I just feel like
even Tampa. I feel like, whoever feels like they're the
best team in that division feels like they have to
go through New York. And that's kind of, you know,
the way it's always been. So, you know, there's always
different times at different points where we can have in
the Al East, we can have Rivruby anybody, but we
(10:53):
understand how big the one in Boston is, especially when
you're playing in playoff games against them.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Your assistant to the commit he was on recently talking
about the automated balls and strikes. You had a couple
of bad calls in the Padres Cubs game last night.
Uh foroegone conclusion that we're going to have automated balls
and strikes full time soon, I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Know if it's I don't know full time. You know,
I know that challenge system, you know, with a help
last night, right, you know, just having a chance to
you know, I think what you know, Rob always says,
is the catch the big mess? And you know that
was a pretty big mess in that game last night
where you know Padres has some momentum, Jackson Merriw goes deep,
you get a good at back by Xander and then
he gets caught out on the pitch that's out of
(11:38):
the strike zone. You know, for me understanding these guys today,
this generation of players, they know the strike zone. They
know balls and strikes so well. And I feel like
when you know, when I played, there was only a
few guys that you could really count on the no
ball and strikes. Like Brett Gardner was a guy that
I could always he would play center field or he'd
be out there and I could always look at him
(11:59):
and be like, you think that was a ball over
strike and I could trust his opinion. But now every
one of these guys, if you watching the game, and
we know that box on the screen is not very accurate,
but if the ball's not in that box, will run
that box. Those guys know what's the ball over strike
and to be able to just to fix that that
big miss and those type of games or in any
(12:21):
game at the end of the game, you know, or
at any point I think it'd be great.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I love that only the hitter, the catcher and the
pitcher can call it, you know, and it has to
be entertaining us. And you know, I just think about myself.
You know, it'd be first pitch of the game and
I'll be tapping on top of my helmer soap in
my hat. So you know, they got to put some
rules in place when you can and can't and who
can and can't. So but I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Always great to catch up with you. Thanks, talk to
you later. Thank you, Ceci, Yes, sir. MLB postseason continues
this weekend. You got the Divisional Series TBS, Fox, Fox
Sports one MLB network airing pre and postgame Charlie Sheen
fourteen years later.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
After this, be sure to catch the live edition of
The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six
am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning
on my podcast, Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't
your typical sports pod pushing the same tired narratives down your.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Throat every day.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Straight Fire gives you honest opinions on all the biggest
sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win big at
the sportsbook, and all the best guests. Do yourself a
favor and listen to Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre on
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It was almost fourteen years ago that we had Charlie
Sheen on and he was going through some negotiations with
Two and a half Men and CBS and he had
gotten suspended and I saw him doing it in an interview.
He was he was giving a lecture or tips. He
(14:07):
was taking batting practice with the UCLA baseball team, and
his words of advice were don't do crack during chocolate milk.
And I said, PAULI reach out and see if Charlie
wants to join us. And really that's all we were
going to do. We were just going to talk about that.
But I want to play a portion of that conversation
that I had with him. And this was on not
(14:31):
being allowed on the lot at CBS for two and
a half men. How'd you lose your voice?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Well, I went back to work and yeah, I was
banging on the day's door. Allow, where's her money, and
I don't know what happened. I guess they're closed.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
They won't let you back in.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
I died. Nobody told me. Nobody told me. I just
figured out I was supposed to go back to work
because I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Wait, you're on hiatus.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
No, we're unforcedatus. They said you get ready, we'll get ready,
and I got ready and went back. Nobody's there, don't
I'll tell you that. Nobody's there.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Well, wait, how do they tell you? You're the star
of two and a half man? So do you who
decides when you get to you can't do one and
a half man?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
No?
Speaker 6 (15:13):
And that was clearly revealed when they had to bring
me back this year. You know, I don't know what's
tell you, man. I'm just I'm here and I'm ready.
They're not maring it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You know, when are you scheduled to start shooting again?
Speaker 6 (15:26):
I believe August of twenty fourteen at this space.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
It's supposed to be like the twenty eighth or or
the twenty ninth. That's what it is, the twenty ninth
and a non leap year, all right.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
So that was almost fourteen years ago, and then all
of a sudden it blew up. After that, Charlie called us,
I think three consecutive days, and he was clearly on something.
We didn't know exactly what was going on. He dropped
the winning and Tiger Blood, and then he came out
with a New York Times bestselling book, The Book of
(15:59):
Sheen and flicks documentary aka Charlie Sheen. So I said
to Fritzie had time to have Charlie back on. So
I'm thinking now we talked to him a couple of
days ago, and I thought he would give credit to
us in the book or the documentary for the interviews
that started all of this, everything that happened to him,
(16:21):
the falling out, getting fired, whatever he was smoking, whoever
he was with, everything that he went through. So my
first question was, what role did this show play in
all of this mess?
Speaker 7 (16:36):
What role I mean this show that we're on right now.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
My show twenty eleven When you called.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Oh interesting, interesting, I don't have any specific recollection of
any fallout or any you know, positive response from it.
Did it did it go sideways on your show?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
It did?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (17:07):
And were you personally put in in the line of
fire or in any danger?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, but you called in and then you said, hey,
ask Dan where I am. And you were on the
outside of uh CBS Chuck Lorie, and then you were
It exploded after that because you're basically saying, uh f this,
I'm off the show, I'm out of here, and then
(17:33):
it went crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Wow, So is it?
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Was it like I announced it with you?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (17:39):
Interesting?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Wait, you don't remember any of this.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Do you have a do you have a clip you
can play?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I can I can send you a clip to remind you.
But that's that's when you you gave us winning and
you gave us tiger blood. All of a sudden, the
networks are calling me. They want me to go on
these shows to talk about you and.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
To ask like why I reached out to you, to
send like my final message, or or to light the lamp.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
They couldn't get you, so they thought that. I said,
I don't know, Charlie, but they wanted me to speak
on your behalf. I sent you a text and said, hey,
all of these network shows and entertainment tonight they want
me on. I'm not going to go on and speak
on your behalf, just so you know. And then you,
I think, said f f them, and then I think
(18:33):
you did winning, and then that was it.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
So wow wow, Okay, yeah, I'm sorry that I that
was scrubbed from my.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I thought there was going to be something in the
book about it. I thought, okay, because they you know,
there is part of me that felt bad about that. Oh,
because you were on three times in a row, and
I I remember having a conversation with my wife. I said,
I feel like I'm taking advantage of Charlie because you
(19:03):
were clearly a wounded animal.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
Absolutely, yeah, but I think I would look at that
more through the lens of that that you that I
saw you as a as a as a safe outlet,
that I saw you as a as a as a confidant.
I could I could, you know, I could reach out
to and and you know, deliver some type of message
(19:26):
that I couldn't elsewhere, regardless of how insane that message
was at the time.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
You know, but you were taking batting practice at U
C l A. And I saw this, and you had
a message to the team, stay off crack and drink
chocolate milk. And so I said to Fritzy, and that
is great advice.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I said that Fritzy, see if we can get Charlie
on it. And then that's when it exploded. But it
started just because you were taking VP and you were
given given a message to U c L A baseball.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Yeah no, that was I guess one of just the
last traces of of of you know, a healthy, uh,
you know, a wholesome moment. It's interesting because Tony Todd
I think you know Tony right, he's in He's been
in my life for a thousand years. Lovely man. He
says that in that specific group that I delivered because
(20:20):
the coach said, hey, go talk to the guys. I
think they'd lost the final game and we're a little
bit down. I think it was the same core team
members and he said, go see if you can give
him a pep talk. And so I was like trying
to come up with something on like the fifty foot walk,
and that's when I said, don't smoke crack and you know,
drink chocolate milk. It turned into a T shirt.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
But he says.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
That that Trevor Bauer was was in that in that
grouping that that yeah, that the members that I you know,
shared that that that wisdom with and there was a
couple others that that are now playing profession. So that's
that's pretty interesting. So clearly they none of them smoked
(21:04):
crack and but obviously kept drinking chocolate milk.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Tougher to write the book or do the documentary.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Write the book, Write the book, for sure, Yeah, because
the doc was a it was a it was difficult.
The doc required uh so much research and archival and
just you know, building the visual representation from all the
you know, all the materials for the whole backstory and
(21:37):
the and the journey.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
So but the.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Book was was me alone, staring at a screen night
after night.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You know, do you ever get mad at yourself while
you're writing the book?
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Interesting question, madam myself for you mean, like on a
on a literary level, or for like writing for the
things that happened that I'm now that I'm now sharing. Yeah.
There were moments, Yeah, there there there were moments. It
was exciting to to tell the stories you know, you know,
(22:16):
for the first time how they actually happened. But it
was also you know, there there was moment, there were
moments of reflection where I was like, wow, man, how
did it? How did it go there? How did it?
You know?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Where was uh where.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Was I don't want to say, like, you know, where
was someone to step in and and and you know,
tap me on the shoulder and pulled the train back
into the station. There were a few moments where that
that could have happened, and I but I don't know
if I would have.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Been receptive to it, you know. But yeah, no, the some.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
Of the anger did come out of you know, telling
these stories in detail as they occurred. But still like
it didn't. This could have been a three page chapter
and not twenty five to one.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Is that your home where you are right now?
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Correct?
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Do you have any of your memorability? I remember you
saying you you knew you had too much memorabilia when
you had a Ted Williams away Jersey or something in
your underwear drawer.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
It was a forty one road Jersey.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
How about that?
Speaker 7 (23:21):
How about that? And back then I think they had
like one you know home yeah and one road Jersey. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
well it it was right next to my underwear drawer.
It Uh, there wasn't a case built yet for it.
I'd run out of wall and hallway space, you know,
but I knew in that moment, yeah I have I
(23:43):
have I've arrived at a place of hoarding, and that's
not that's that's that's not good. That helps no one.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Do you have any of that memorabilia around?
Speaker 7 (23:52):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
You sold it base I did.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Yeah. Do you remember Josh Evans, Josh Leland Evans from
Leland's Big Aunty. Yeah, yeah, he sadly passed away like
four or five years ago, and but he he put
together the Tarlishene auction, but it didn't include the Ruth
contract and the Ruth's ring. I think that was done
(24:18):
separate of that, you know, or from that.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Any part of you ever wish you weren't an actor
or hadn't become an actor.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Yeah, yeah, there's been there. There's been moments where I've
had those feelings. I've had those thoughts and just tried
to imagine what any of it would have looked like without.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
That, because it kind of gave you a whole pass.
You were really good at your craft. But because of
that then opened doors and windows and you know everything.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
But oh yeah, no, it was it was, it was,
it was you know all access, yeah, backstage and then
some but it yeah, but it's I think, you know,
one of the central themes of the book is that
it's all about choices, you know, and it's like, I'll
be out in the world and people will say, you know,
(25:15):
they'll see like a lot of attention in photos and
autographs stuff like that, and they'll say, does this ever
bother you? And I said, well, you know, if I,
if I don't want to be bothered, the solution to
that is don't leave your house, right and then I
and then the other side of that is, you know
that you worry about the day they stopped coming up, right,
So just sort of on on the on on the
(25:36):
choices front. You know, all access is an amazing place
to wind up, but it just then it's it's on
the person to then navigate the stuff to embrace and
the stuff to not do that with, you know. And
I sort of went for all of it.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Was there an actor who outpartied you.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
That's still alive, Well.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
They hopefully they're not dead because of out partying you,
but right, right right, like a musician or an actor
who outpartied.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
You, I think there would there would more likely be
a rock star. You mean that. I actually saw that
with my own eyes. We partied together and I had
to you tabbed it out. I called it a night,
and he kept going. You know, there was actually one guy.
There was one guy, and it's just it's sucks because
(26:40):
you know, he ultimately got clean and then died in
a freaking car crash outside of Vegas. And that was
Sam Kennison. Sam would you couldn't. I couldn't keep up
with him, you know. It was Yeah, there were nights
when I was like, all right, buddy, thank you, this
is amazing. These last four days have been amazing. But
I'm gonna I'm gonna go sleep for about seventy hours,
(27:03):
and he'd still be going, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Is Charlie Sheen The New York Times best selling book
A Book of Sheen, Netflix documentary aka Charlie Sheen are
both out. Now, give me the movie role that kind
of represents you who you really are.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
In a film that I was in or somebody else's
movie that you were in.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Like, what role did you not really have to play
a role?
Speaker 7 (27:31):
I think the the closest example would be Two and
a Half Men. I know you said film, yeah, but
I think that's the one that really borrowed from just
a lot of it borrowed from the fun stuff, didn't
borrow from the dangerous crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
You know, how do you apologize when? Or do you
or can you apologize?
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Yeah, and this is not trying to be cute, but
hopefully and and most of the time in person, in person,
and and it's it's funny. I was just talking to
a buddy of mine about this just the other day that, uh,
and I told them that we can't insist we we
(28:24):
can't determine other people's timelines for them to come to
a place, uh, to to be receptive, to be open
to that to that message, you know. But it's it's
there's still people, there's still folks out there that I
need to have a sit down with, you know, or
just at least get on the phone or you know,
(28:46):
one of these. But for the most part, the people
in my life who matter the most. That that's that
that that that's already taken place, and it's an ongoing process.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
But even in the documentary, your brother talks fondly about you.
The dad stuff is heartbreaking because your your dad, he
loved you, but he couldn't he couldn't get you. And uh,
that that's kind of what hit me pretty hard there is.
You're right there in front of him and he can't
really do anything about it.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Yeah, that was one of the one of the one
of the moments for me watching it. I I think,
I say in the doc I can't imagine being my dad. Yeah,
you know, and then you know, people are asking, well,
why wasn't he in it?
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Right?
Speaker 7 (29:38):
And he watched the rough cut of the first episode
and he was over the moon about it and super supportive,
and he was, yeah, he's honored and flattered, you know
how we included him. And he said, look, I'm I'm
already in it. I don't I don't need to, you know,
give it. You know Today's commentary on all that stuff.
(29:59):
It's it's it's better telling the story like that, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
More likely to do a sequel to Major League or
Wall Street major.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
League major League.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
In fact, it's interesting not to not to get out
over my skis with this, but there has been a
dialogue about it as as as.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
You resound a long time.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
That's true, that's true. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So you got a script in the making here or
an idea for no.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
No, but there's there's there's a new there's a company involved.
That is that is very interested that I'm already in
business with with the docs, and that's that that could
deliver something I think the fans have been waiting for
for a long time. And and don't worry, I'm not
going to be a player. I would show up in
the in the capacity of coach or manager or or
(30:54):
you know, a pitching coach or something. But now it's interesting,
this was just discussed yesterday.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Do you still throw? Do you still take batting practice?
You do any of that?
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Got a kind of a I gotta I got a
bad shoulder I'm dealing with. There's a thing that Tony
Todd and I do on our birthday, his and mine
every year where we.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
We throw.
Speaker 7 (31:17):
Without dropping a single toss, we throw the amount of
tosses that equals our age. So it's been this, this thing,
and we hoped one day, you know, count to one hundred.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You're lucky to have Tony in your life, I am,
I am.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
It probably kept you alive a few times.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Yeah, that when he was just always knowing that he
was you know, either right down the hall or right
at the next table, or at the table, or or
just you know along for that part of the journey. No,
it was, uh, it was, it was.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
It was.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
It was a lovely, uh security blanket. Now I'm going
to reduce him to that because he was was in
those moments so much more than that. But it was,
it was, it was, it was a comforting energy.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Was great to talk to you again. Good luck with
the book, book and stay happy.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
That's great advice and I'm going to follow it.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
And once again, don't do crack and drink chocolate milk.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
Noted noted and you have my word.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Thank you, Charlie.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Right, I thanks that. I appreciate it very well.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
The book is the book is Sheen? And is Netflix
documentary aka Charlie Sheen. Both are out now. Wow, fourteen
years ago and he had no recollection of it. But
he looked good, look refreshed and hopefully he can get
some jobs start acting again. What a wild ride. Wow.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shoes at Foxsports Radio
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to
listen live.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner joining is so on the program.
Would you have started? Dylan Gabriel Overseas against Minnesota for
his debut.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I'm not sure that would have been the route that
I went. I understand why, understand where they're at. I
understand it's the NFL, so there's not any easy game,
so to speak. But but yeah, that's a lot of
things going on along with playing against the Brian Flores
defense that's going to throw a lot of looks at
you that. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be
(33:40):
an easy one for if for Dylan Gabriel. But Minnesota
obviously didn't play great last week either, so maybe you
look at this as an opportunity to get a win
and get on track.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
What advice would you give Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I think the biggest thing is just realize that you
don't have to do it all on your own. I
think when the spotlight is on you and you get
put into that position, and the first thing to do
is to say, Okay, I got approve to everybody why
I'm starting now, and I got to go out and
make all of these plays. And you know, when I
took over in ninety nine, I looked around and said, okay,
I got a lot of playmakers around me. I don't
(34:14):
have to do this all by myself allowed them to
help you along the way. It's okay to punt every
once in a while because you've got a great defense
that can help you out, and so not feeling like
that spotlight is on you and you have to prove
to everybody why you're the starter right now.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
How do you teach a young quarterback to get rid
of the ball?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
I think getting rid of the ball is understanding what
you're seeing, you know, a comfort level with the plays
that you're running. To me, it's always about if you
know where your eyes should be to start the process.
That's the first step in being able to get the
ball out, knowing what you're doing and getting through your progressions.
And you know, sometimes with young guys, and again against
(34:54):
the Brian Flores defense, they're going to give you a
lots of things to look at. They're going to get
guys up at the line of scrimmage, are going to
have guys running out into his own coverage, so they're
going to make that harder. But understanding your playbook so
well that hey, and this kind of look, this is
where my eyes need to start, and that speeds up
the process. So that would be what I was would
always be focusing on with the young quarterback.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
What was your thought when the Rams were going to
go on fourth down in overtime and go for the
win as supposed to go for the time.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yeah, I mean, I don't mind the decision at all.
You're at home, you want to get one against division rival.
Was surprised, I think, like a lot of people, with
the play call, you know, I just you know, talked
earlier in the week about how the Rams are so good,
especially getting close to the red zone with their naked
bootleg you know, play action game at your staffords so
good at it, they're creative with it that that's where
(35:44):
I thought they would go to give more options to
Matthew Stafford instead of just running it right up the gun.
So I more disappointed, I think with the play call
than I was the decision to go for it on
fourth down, because I fully understand why you want to
win that game, especially with San Francisco being as beat
up as they were. You didn't want to come out
of that thing saying, oh man, we you know, we
(36:06):
lost or even we tied that team. Unfortunately it worked
out that way. But I think they're probably reallying a
little bit today. Because everybody going in they're like, oh
my gosh, it's going to be a walking the park
for the Rams. And you know, Mac Jones played great
and the team showed up and had a great win.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Give me the most must win game of the weekend
for you.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
For me, it's going to be Texan Ravens. Both teams
I think I hopes for both teams, you know, expected
to win their division, both sitting at one in three
right now, and neither one playing very good football. I
know Texan has got to win last week, but you
know that was against you know, a Tennessee team that
hasn't won yet. So c J. Stroud doesn't look the
(36:46):
same to me. That their offense doesn't look good to me.
And then on the other side, I think we know
all the issues and then the possibility of not having
their star quarterback and Lamar Jackson. I think that is
a must win for both of these teams with you
know where that division is going right now.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
But explain to me what's going on with CJ. Stround.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I wish I could. You know, when he was a rookie,
I had him in my top five quarterbacks in the league.
The way that he played his rookie year, and it
was his ability to see things and his accuracy and
the technique that was with it. In the last two years,
I don't know. I really can't tell you what's going on.
I don't feel like he's seeing it very well. I
(37:26):
feel like he's missing things. I feel like when they
bring pressure, he doesn't have answers. And it's weird to
me because very seldom, obviously do you see that when
a young guy seems to have those answers and do
those things and then it falls away from them. And
it's really been the last year and a half where
I don't believe he's playing, you know, as well as
he did, and a lot of people going to the
(37:47):
offensive line and some of the issues up there, but
I think it starts with CJ. And you know, just
watching him, he's not making the throws and making the
decisions that he did as a rookie. And I can't
tell you. I can't put a finger on it. Because
he was so good as a rookie. It's hard for
me to fact what's gone wrong or what's going sideways
on this to take him to where he is right now.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Talking to Kurt Warner the Hall of Famer and Super
Bowl MVP, two time NFL MVP. NFL Network will have
the vikings in the Browns. That'll be nine thirty Eastern
from London. We had a conversation. We've had a couple
of conversations this week. One is focused on Russell Wilson.
Can you play yourself out of the Hall of Fame? Now?
(38:29):
I don't know if you had him in the Hall
of Fame, but he's playing himself maybe out of consideration
for the Hall of Fame? Do you believe that given
that he had a ten year run that was pretty impressive,
These last couple of years have been pretty pretty rough.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I would say
lay your way out of it. You know. I think
what I would say in these last few years with
Russell is maybe it gives you a different perspective of
the kind of player that he was. Is that you know,
when he was in Seattle, obviously they had a great
defense when they went to the on their run, and
he was asked to be more of a complimentary if
(39:06):
he's more of a playmaking piece than actually you know,
playing more drop that quarterback, carrying the team with his
right arm and so when he left, I think the idea,
I think it was Russell's idea as well as wherever
he chose, is that he wanted to show people that
he could play the position more conventionally and more like
(39:27):
I think, you know, guys like Brady and Manning and
those things, and he didn't have to just be a playmaker.
And then that hasn't worked out. And you know, he
tried in numerous spots now and it hasn't worked out
to show people that. And so I think, if anything,
it maybe gets people to look back and go, Okay,
you know, who is the real Russell Wilson here? And again,
(39:48):
I don't know if that plays anybody out of the
Hall of Fame because you mentioned it. The first decade
statistically was really really impressive, but I think it may
have people step back and go, Okay, you know who
is you know the guy that we're looking at, and
you know, the Hall of Fame type of thing. Was
he an elite player at that position comparative to other players?
(40:10):
And you know, you know as well as I do
that there's a lot of different ways to look at it.
I mean, you look at my situation is I didn't
play as many games and certain things. But when I played,
I played at a high level, so I was able
to get in. Some other guys may not have played
it quite a highest level, but played longer and have
better stats and those things, and they get into the
Hall of Fame. And so there's so many ways to
(40:31):
weigh I think what the Hall of Fame is. But
that's what I would say, not necessarily play his way
out of it, but have people look at him a
little bit differently and kind of compare the two quarterbacks
to decide, Okay, who was Russell Wilson and does he
fit in that category?
Speaker 2 (40:47):
But if you don't go to Arizona, are you getting
into the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I mean, I would highly doubt it, you know, even
though you know there was an elite level of play
and two Super Bowls and two MVPs in Sane Lewis,
I think ultimately it would have been just not enough
time to be able to have, you know, another three
years and go to another Super Bowl with another team.
I think, is what kind of kind of stamped that
you know? And you know, again it could have easily said, hey,
(41:13):
this guy at his peak, you know, was a Hall
of Fame quarterback, but that peak wasn't long enough. And
so yeah, again, I think we've seen a lot of
different ways for guys to you know, solidify themselves as
Hall of famers. And you know, that becomes the ultimate question,
you know, at the end of the day. I mean,
you have Eli Manning, that's you know, that's right there
(41:34):
on the cusp. And I think they're weighing heavily super Bowls, right,
super Bowls and you know, winning super Bowls. Well, Russell
has been to two Super Bowls. I know he only
won one of those. But you know, so what exactly
is the determining factor in getting to the Hall of Fame.
I don't know if anybody knows exactly. And and as
you said, and we mentioned that first ten years, you know,
(41:58):
I think you know, you asked me, if I didn't
go to you know, Arizona, would I have been in
the Hall of Fame? Probably not. If Russell Wilson didn't
go anywhere else beside Seattle, would he be in the
Hall of Fame? And the answer is probably yes.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, I remember I spoke to you, maybe it was
the season that you went to the Super Bowl in Arizona,
and we talked about what you know? Am I a
Hall of Famer? And I said no, but if you
take Arizona to the super Bowl, you'd be a Hall
of Famer. Do you remember we had that conversation I
after the game and I was there to hand out
(42:30):
the trophy, but I sought you out. I wanted to
find you after the game, and I remember the only
thing I said to you when I walked I walked
up to you. I think you were with your wife,
and I said, you're going to the Hall of Fame.
That was the only thing I think I said to you,
because obviously you're distraught because you know, you think you're
(42:51):
winning the super Bowl, and I just remember, you're going
to the super Bowl. And it stayed in my head
that whole time after I talked to you, and you
got to the super Bowl. Could have won the Super
Bowl and he went to the Hall of Fame. One
other thing I want to bring up. We just had
a caller saying, what quarterback have had the biggest impact
or changed the game the most in NFL history in
(43:12):
your opinion, who would you single?
Speaker 8 (43:15):
It's a that's a good question, and I don't know
about one quarterback, you know, because I think about Dan
Marino and how you know he played the game so
differently at that time.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
I think they were a past first team. I think
about our offense in Saint Louis. I think we, you know,
changed the way the game was played and what we
see now. I think really started with with our team.
And then I heard you talking a little bit about
Peyton Manning, And the one thing I would say about
Peyton Manning is there's no doubt Peyton Manning was the
best quarterback we've ever seen before the snap at playing
(43:49):
the game before the snap, changing plays, knowing what a
defense was going to do. But I wouldn't say that
necessarily transformed the game because I don't know if there's
been anybody anywhere close to Peyton doing that. And so
when I think about changing the game, it's about, Okay,
how did I lead the next generation into playing a
similar way?
Speaker 3 (44:09):
You know?
Speaker 4 (44:10):
And maybe you look at a guy like Michael Vick
because of where the NFL's gone now in terms of
the athletic quarterback and using guys, you know, in two
different ways, and so not sure how I would answer that,
but I do think, you know, Peyton was unique and
different and the best we've ever seen it at playing
before the snap, where a lot of guys like myself
(44:30):
were way better playing after the snap than before. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I also mentioned Joe Namath because he won this singular
most important game in NFL history. He brought about a merger.
It's hard to argue with anybody else there were better quarterbacks,
but he guaranteed it. He did it. They're all eyes
on that and one of the biggest upsets we've ever seen.
And so I would probably say Joe was the most
(44:57):
impactful quarterback of all time because of that one moment.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Yeah. Well, and I think he also was the first
quarterback to throw for four thousand yards or something in
the league too, So I mean he wasn't doing games. Probably, Yeah,
I was doing things that that people weren't doing at
that time. You know, I didn't grow up seeing a
lot of Joe name, and so yeah, I think of
you know, more of my time. But but yeah, I mean, yeah,
with everything that he did and the guaranteed victory and
(45:21):
throwing the ball the way he did, I could surely
make that argument.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
God, he threw a pretty good ball, like effortless, effortless,
I bet the best passer of best quarterback at throwing
the balls?
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Who at throwing the ball? And what do you what
do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Like which one is? You know, you see certain pitchers
and they you know, they make every pit you know.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
But yeah, if if I was picking a guy, I
would probably pick Dan Marino just watching him throw and
you know, the release that he had and you know,
the arm strength, but also the touch on the football.
You know, he was the guy that you know, I
grew up kind of going, man, if you can throw
the ball like that, I mean that would be you know. Yeah,
(46:06):
tried to emulate him in my front yard because I
thought he was special of a thrower of a football
that maybe that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
What did What did you say to him when you
met him?
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Well, I mean, you know I was in all like
like a lot of people, but I probably said that
exact thing. Is like, Man, I grew up, you know,
trying to be you and you know, wanting to be
what you were on a football field, you know. And
I obviously shared the story of at my Hall of
Fame speech that when I was stocking shelves at the
grocery store, I was in the serial aisle and one
(46:40):
of the nights, I was stocking the wheaties box and
Dan Reno was on the wheaties box, and so he
gave me a lot of inspiration when I was chasing
my dream and then a stocking shelves, going hey, one day,
one day, I'm gonna be like Dan Marino and I'm
gonna be on a wheaties box, you know. So, you know,
it just fun to have those guys that you know,
you want to emmu late, you want to chase after,
(47:01):
and then you meet a guy like Dan who's such
a great individual too, that lived up to the hype
not only with what he did on the field, but
also who he was off the field.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Have fun this weekend, go to catch up with you again.
Thank you, Kurt, You too, my man. Kurt Warner Hall
of Famer
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
CC Sabbathia Hall of Famer World Series Champ with the
Yankees back in nine. MLB's postseason continues this weekend the
Divisional Series TBS, Fox Sports one, MLB Network airing pre
and postgame coverage. Good to see you again. How old
were you with your first playoff game?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I was twenty twenty years old my first playoff game
pitched in. I just turned twenty one, I'm sorry. Pitched
in the playoff game in two thousand and one against
the Mariners, that team that had won when they won
one hundred and fourteen games, So I pitched game three
of that series.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
What do you remember like being twenty one? How can
that help you in a situation like that?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I mean, it can help you by not knowing what
you're walking into and not understanding, you know, the gravity
or the magnitude of the games you're pitching. For me,
you know, being a huge fan and sports fan my
whole life, and understanding you know, what it meant to
be an ace, you know, I'm throwing that up there
with air quotations. Being twenty one years old, I wanted
(01:11):
to go out and you know, have that postseason that
everybody's like, oh my god, look at this guy. You know,
he's the greatest pitcher. Jared Wright had just did that
in ninety seven. You know, he was the young guy
and took that team all the way to the World Series.
So you know that that was kind of my thinking.
I got into the game, and you know, I was
a little nervous. I think I gave up three runs
(01:31):
in the first inning. And I'm walking off the field
and Robbie Alamar comes and he goes, hey, you know
how you feeling. I'm like, you know, I'm good. I'll
be fine, and he as we're walking back to the bench,
he looked and he says, don't shake off en Ard.
The rest of the game. En Rds was our catcher.
He was like, whatever he puts down, just call the pitchers.
(01:51):
So I, you know, didn't shake him off. Go six innings,
give up three runs. The only three runs I gave
up was in that first inning. And after the game
they tell me that Robbie was calling the pitchers for
second base. Robbie called the game from second base.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
W what's it like When Ken Griffy Junior comes to
the play.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
He wasn't on that team. He wasn't on that that was. Yeah,
so that was each Rose rookie year. That was uh,
Mike Cameron, uh you know Brett Boone those guys. Uh
So that was that. That was that first year he
had just went to uh Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Okay, and each row had your number.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Each row hit me good. That he hit me good
up until I figured out I had to move his feet.
Once I figured out I had to move his feet,
and I get him uncomfortable. Then I then at my
later part of my career, I started having some success
against each y.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Explain that moving your feet just.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Like getting him off his spot. You know, he was
just he would be super comfortable in the box. And
you know, for me, you know, I need to be
be able to, you know, command the inside part of
the play to a lefty and be able to throw
my slot down on the way. At that time, when
I was twenty one years old, I only threw like
a big, looping curve ball. I didn't have a slider
at that time, so I really had nothing to get
him out with. And then accidentally, one time when I
(03:12):
was in New York, they came into New York and
I actually he threw one up and end like literally
just got away and it swooped him, you know. And
ever since then, I was like, oh, okay, all right,
I figured it out. Now, So after that the matter,
you know, I would throw one kind of clothes and
then I would just go to work.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Cam Schlitter had eleven pitches of one hundred miles per
hour or more. That seems to be the norm. Now
I'm surprised when guys don't throw one hundred miles an hour.
Where's this going?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, but the way he commanded it last night, you know,
I mean he was just just filling it up, just
strike after strike. I mean I sat down really close.
I was, you know, right next to the Boston Red Sox,
you know, on deck circle he was throwing BB's. I mean,
it looked like he was throwing two hundred miles an
hour and he's got an eighty four mile an hour slider,
(04:04):
you know what I mean. So that difference in miles
an hour is just such a huge you have to
really pick one. As soon as you start picking one
and guessing one, then you're laid on the heater and
you know, he throws two of those, and it's oh two.
So I mean the way. I mean, there's a lot
of guys that can throw hard, right, but the way
he commanded the baseball last night was very impressive.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I remember Mark Grace saying, I'll hit your fastball. I'm
going to hit the fastball because I it's the breaking ball.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It always comes back to the breaking ball, you know,
because he said, we see a hundred, if it's not moving,
we'll hit it. But I don't know, like, is there
a big difference between ninety six and one hundred.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I mean, yes, I do think so. I mean honestly,
I haven't stood in the box and face either one.
But when I hear these guys talk, you know, I
heard Julio Rodriguez the other day talking about his ideal fastball,
like what was what would be the miles an hour?
And you know, to me, when I was coming up,
it would have been like, you know, I would think
ninety two, ninety three, Like he's like, I needed ninety
(05:09):
six mile hour fastball. So for him to even be
thinking like ninety six is a perfect hitting speed is
insane because, like I said, when I was coming up,
or you know, during my time, there just wasn't guys
that were able to do that consistently like it is
now so that that I mean, that's the hitting speed,
which is crazy, And like you said, where does it go?
I have no idea. I mean, you got kids in
(05:31):
high school right now, you know, top of one hundred
and you know, just getting bigger, fashion or stronger. So.
But but if you can't command it, if you can't
throw strikes with it, there's really no point of you
being able to throw that hard.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
But if you're throwing that hard, is the philosophy going
to continue to be throw as hard as you can
for as long as you can, and then we bring
in somebody else?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I think so, I think unless we kind of change
the rules right or do something that can you know,
help you know, starting pitching, you know, develop I mean
even in the even in the lower stages. You go
to some of these perfect Game tournaments or all this stuff.
You know, I had a twenty two year old, I
got a fifteen year old going through it now. I
mean they're pitching that four inding clips, you know what
(06:13):
I mean, where they go out in these tournaments and
the four innings the best stuff that you have and
then won't bring somebody else in So they're even being
trained to not even be a starting pitcher, right like
you gonna have to go five innings to get a win,
and these, you know, the kids are coming up where
they're they're not even qualifying to get wins. So I
think something has to change where you know, we get
(06:34):
back to you know, starting pitching, because that's what kind
of like when it was Dave Stewart against you know,
whoever else, that's when you want to watch the game,
when it's Roger Clemens against you know, Pedro, that's the
top billing rights. That's how you get god people to
watch baseball throughout the season when you can have these
starting pitching matchups.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
We're talking to CC Sabathia, the Hall of Famer joining
us on behalf of MLB's postseason coverage. How do you
explain Clayton Krushawn's curveball?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Now, I mean it's it's uh, it's really twelve to
six and it's uh, you know, it's one of those
things we were talking about the other day, you know,
really just kind of him and Barry Zito have had that,
you know, left handed curveball where you can throw a
fastball at the top of the zone and then throw
that curveball off of that thing, and you know, hitters
(07:23):
really have no chance. I mean, and even this year,
I feel like, you know, he's pitching so free and
understanding and knowing that you know, no matter what happens,
his legacy is cemented right Like he's going to the
Hall of Fame. He's got three thousand strikeouts World Series.
He's one of the best pictures of the generation. So
I feel like this year he's been pitching more free
(07:43):
and you've seen you've been seeing great results. So I'm
excited hopefully for him to get a start in this playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Anybody similar to show Hey o Tani, if you were
recall facing somebody that was similar to Otani, No.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I mean no, I don't think there's anything. I mean,
I guess I guess you. You can say Barry, but
you know Barry can't go out and throw seven and
he shut up baseball.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Let me take away the pitch. Let me let me
take away the pitching part of it. I'm talking about
facing a batter.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
The best I mean left handed. No, there there is
nobody left handed that I feel like I faced that
that was that good. I mean, yeah, I've been I
didn't face Bonds a lot I was in. I was
in the American League. I faced him one time in
an All Star Game, so you know, I didn't get a
chance to face him that much. But you know, like
(08:38):
for me, it would have to be like a poo
Hoos or you know, Manny Ramirez or you know Miguel Cabrera.
Those were all is the hardest guy for me to
get out, and I would have to imagine show hates
the same way. I mean, you know, we show up
to l A and you know, he's four pitches in,
he hits one hundred mile hour fastball on the INSI
part of the play like out. I mean, he's the
way he shows up on you know, on Q. You know,
(09:00):
like we go to Tokyo DOMI it's a home run
in Tokyo Dome in Japan. Like the way that he
can show up in a baseball game and impact a
game is incredible.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But how defeating is it the first guy you face
hits a home run?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
No, I mean when you're starting. And I think that
was always my problem. I never felt like I was
out of it, Like even when they were coming to
get the ball, I could be seven giving up seven
runs in the third inning, and I'm like, nah, like
I'm right there, I'm telling Piztures away from getness thing, right.
So for me, it was always like no, no, no,
I could get this thing on track. So I never
felt defeated. I think that was always my problem.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
When did you learn or how did you learn about
the rivalry with the Red Sox Yankees when you know
you were Cleveland and Milwaukee then you go to New York. Well,
are you taught to hate the Red Sons?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
No, I think it's just something that happens. And I
think you know, throughout the Al East, I think with
the Yankees, it can be different teams at different times, right,
Like there's always the between the Yankees and the Red Sox.
And you understand that, you know that when you came over,
Like I remember, you know that first year in O nine,
it was the end of April. It was the first
time we were going into Boston and it felt like,
(10:13):
you know, they were talking about like it was a
playoff series. We had just signed all these guys, myself,
switch Tech, Shara aj Burnett, and you know the way
that they talked about that series. You know, you would
have thought that it was you know, October, so that
was kind of my introduction to it. But you know,
there there could be points. You know, we had fights
(10:33):
with Toronto. There was times in you know when Baltimore
was the best in the division. I just feel like
even Tampa. I feel like, whoever feels like they're the
best team in that division feels like they have to
go through New York. And that's kind of, you know,
the way it's always been. So, you know, there's always
different times at different points where we can have in
the Al East, we can have Rivruby anybody, but we
(10:53):
understand how big the one in Boston is, especially when
you're playing in playoff games against them.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Your assistant to the commit he was on recently talking
about the automated balls and strikes. You had a couple
of bad calls in the Padres Cubs game last night.
Uh foroegone conclusion that we're going to have automated balls
and strikes full time soon, I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Know if it's I don't know full time. You know,
I know that challenge system, you know, with a help
last night, right, you know, just having a chance to
you know, I think what you know, Rob always says,
is the catch the big mess? And you know that
was a pretty big mess in that game last night
where you know Padres has some momentum, Jackson Merriw goes deep,
you get a good at back by Xander and then
he gets caught out on the pitch that's out of
(11:38):
the strike zone. You know, for me understanding these guys today,
this generation of players, they know the strike zone. They
know balls and strikes so well. And I feel like
when you know, when I played, there was only a
few guys that you could really count on the no
ball and strikes. Like Brett Gardner was a guy that
I could always he would play center field or he'd
be out there and I could always look at him
(11:59):
and be like, you think that was a ball over
strike and I could trust his opinion. But now every
one of these guys, if you watching the game, and
we know that box on the screen is not very accurate,
but if the ball's not in that box, will run
that box. Those guys know what's the ball over strike
and to be able to just to fix that that
big miss and those type of games or in any
(12:21):
game at the end of the game, you know, or
at any point I think it'd be great.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I love that only the hitter, the catcher and the
pitcher can call it, you know, and it has to
be entertaining us. And you know, I just think about myself.
You know, it'd be first pitch of the game and
I'll be tapping on top of my helmer soap in
my hat. So you know, they got to put some
rules in place when you can and can't and who
can and can't. So but I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Always great to catch up with you. Thanks, talk to
you later. Thank you, Ceci, Yes, sir. MLB postseason continues
this weekend. You got the Divisional Series TBS, Fox, Fox
Sports one MLB network airing pre and postgame Charlie Sheen
fourteen years later.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
After this, be sure to catch the live edition of
The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six
am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning
on my podcast, Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't
your typical sports pod pushing the same tired narratives down your.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Throat every day.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Straight Fire gives you honest opinions on all the biggest
sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win big at
the sportsbook, and all the best guests. Do yourself a
favor and listen to Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre on
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It was almost fourteen years ago that we had Charlie
Sheen on and he was going through some negotiations with
Two and a half Men and CBS and he had
gotten suspended and I saw him doing it in an interview.
He was he was giving a lecture or tips. He
(14:07):
was taking batting practice with the UCLA baseball team, and
his words of advice were don't do crack during chocolate milk.
And I said, PAULI reach out and see if Charlie
wants to join us. And really that's all we were
going to do. We were just going to talk about that.
But I want to play a portion of that conversation
that I had with him. And this was on not
(14:31):
being allowed on the lot at CBS for two and
a half men. How'd you lose your voice?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Well, I went back to work and yeah, I was
banging on the day's door. Allow, where's her money, and
I don't know what happened. I guess they're closed.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
They won't let you back in.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
I died. Nobody told me. Nobody told me. I just
figured out I was supposed to go back to work
because I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Wait, you're on hiatus.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
No, we're unforcedatus. They said you get ready, we'll get ready,
and I got ready and went back. Nobody's there, don't
I'll tell you that. Nobody's there.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Well, wait, how do they tell you? You're the star
of two and a half man? So do you who
decides when you get to you can't do one and
a half man?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
No?
Speaker 6 (15:13):
And that was clearly revealed when they had to bring
me back this year. You know, I don't know what's
tell you, man. I'm just I'm here and I'm ready.
They're not maring it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You know, when are you scheduled to start shooting again?
Speaker 6 (15:26):
I believe August of twenty fourteen at this space.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
It's supposed to be like the twenty eighth or or
the twenty ninth. That's what it is, the twenty ninth
and a non leap year, all right.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
So that was almost fourteen years ago, and then all
of a sudden it blew up. After that, Charlie called us,
I think three consecutive days, and he was clearly on something.
We didn't know exactly what was going on. He dropped
the winning and Tiger Blood, and then he came out
with a New York Times bestselling book, The Book of
(15:59):
Sheen and flicks documentary aka Charlie Sheen. So I said
to Fritzie had time to have Charlie back on. So
I'm thinking now we talked to him a couple of
days ago, and I thought he would give credit to
us in the book or the documentary for the interviews
that started all of this, everything that happened to him,
(16:21):
the falling out, getting fired, whatever he was smoking, whoever
he was with, everything that he went through. So my
first question was, what role did this show play in
all of this mess?
Speaker 7 (16:36):
What role I mean this show that we're on right now.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
My show twenty eleven When you called.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Oh interesting, interesting, I don't have any specific recollection of
any fallout or any you know, positive response from it.
Did it did it go sideways on your show?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
It did?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (17:07):
And were you personally put in in the line of
fire or in any danger?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
No, but you called in and then you said, hey,
ask Dan where I am. And you were on the
outside of uh CBS Chuck Lorie, and then you were
It exploded after that because you're basically saying, uh f this,
I'm off the show, I'm out of here, and then
(17:33):
it went crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Wow, So is it?
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Was it like I announced it with you?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (17:39):
Interesting?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Wait, you don't remember any of this.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Do you have a do you have a clip you
can play?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I can I can send you a clip to remind you.
But that's that's when you you gave us winning and
you gave us tiger blood. All of a sudden, the
networks are calling me. They want me to go on
these shows to talk about you and.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
To ask like why I reached out to you, to
send like my final message, or or to light the lamp.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
They couldn't get you, so they thought that. I said,
I don't know, Charlie, but they wanted me to speak
on your behalf. I sent you a text and said, hey,
all of these network shows and entertainment tonight they want
me on. I'm not going to go on and speak
on your behalf, just so you know. And then you,
I think, said f f them, and then I think
(18:33):
you did winning, and then that was it.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
So wow wow, Okay, yeah, I'm sorry that I that
was scrubbed from my.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I thought there was going to be something in the
book about it. I thought, okay, because they you know,
there is part of me that felt bad about that. Oh,
because you were on three times in a row, and
I I remember having a conversation with my wife. I said,
I feel like I'm taking advantage of Charlie because you
(19:03):
were clearly a wounded animal.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
Absolutely, yeah, but I think I would look at that
more through the lens of that that you that I
saw you as a as a as a safe outlet,
that I saw you as a as a as a confidant.
I could I could, you know, I could reach out
to and and you know, deliver some type of message
(19:26):
that I couldn't elsewhere, regardless of how insane that message
was at the time.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
You know, but you were taking batting practice at U
C l A. And I saw this, and you had
a message to the team, stay off crack and drink
chocolate milk. And so I said to Fritzy, and that
is great advice.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I said that Fritzy, see if we can get Charlie
on it. And then that's when it exploded. But it
started just because you were taking VP and you were
given given a message to U c L A baseball.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Yeah no, that was I guess one of just the
last traces of of of you know, a healthy, uh,
you know, a wholesome moment. It's interesting because Tony Todd
I think you know Tony right, he's in He's been
in my life for a thousand years. Lovely man. He
says that in that specific group that I delivered because
(20:20):
the coach said, hey, go talk to the guys. I
think they'd lost the final game and we're a little
bit down. I think it was the same core team
members and he said, go see if you can give
him a pep talk. And so I was like trying
to come up with something on like the fifty foot walk,
and that's when I said, don't smoke crack and you know,
drink chocolate milk. It turned into a T shirt.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
But he says.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
That that Trevor Bauer was was in that in that
grouping that that yeah, that the members that I you know,
shared that that that wisdom with and there was a
couple others that that are now playing profession. So that's
that's pretty interesting. So clearly they none of them smoked
(21:04):
crack and but obviously kept drinking chocolate milk.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Tougher to write the book or do the documentary.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Write the book, Write the book, for sure, Yeah, because
the doc was a it was a it was difficult.
The doc required uh so much research and archival and
just you know, building the visual representation from all the
you know, all the materials for the whole backstory and
(21:37):
the and the journey.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
So but the.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Book was was me alone, staring at a screen night
after night.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You know, do you ever get mad at yourself while
you're writing the book?
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Interesting question, madam myself for you mean, like on a
on a literary level, or for like writing for the
things that happened that I'm now that I'm now sharing. Yeah.
There were moments, Yeah, there there there were moments. It
was exciting to to tell the stories you know, you know,
(22:16):
for the first time how they actually happened. But it
was also you know, there there was moment, there were
moments of reflection where I was like, wow, man, how
did it? How did it go there? How did it?
You know?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Where was uh where.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Was I don't want to say, like, you know, where
was someone to step in and and and you know,
tap me on the shoulder and pulled the train back
into the station. There were a few moments where that
that could have happened, and I but I don't know
if I would have.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Been receptive to it, you know. But yeah, no, the some.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
Of the anger did come out of you know, telling
these stories in detail as they occurred. But still like
it didn't. This could have been a three page chapter
and not twenty five to one.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Is that your home where you are right now?
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Correct?
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Do you have any of your memorability? I remember you
saying you you knew you had too much memorabilia when
you had a Ted Williams away Jersey or something in
your underwear drawer.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
It was a forty one road Jersey.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
How about that?
Speaker 7 (23:21):
How about that? And back then I think they had
like one you know home yeah and one road Jersey. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
well it it was right next to my underwear drawer.
It Uh, there wasn't a case built yet for it.
I'd run out of wall and hallway space, you know,
but I knew in that moment, yeah I have I
(23:43):
have I've arrived at a place of hoarding, and that's
not that's that's that's not good. That helps no one.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Do you have any of that memorabilia around?
Speaker 7 (23:52):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
You sold it base I did.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Yeah. Do you remember Josh Evans, Josh Leland Evans from
Leland's Big Aunty. Yeah, yeah, he sadly passed away like
four or five years ago, and but he he put
together the Tarlishene auction, but it didn't include the Ruth
contract and the Ruth's ring. I think that was done
(24:18):
separate of that, you know, or from that.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Any part of you ever wish you weren't an actor
or hadn't become an actor.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Yeah, yeah, there's been there. There's been moments where I've
had those feelings. I've had those thoughts and just tried
to imagine what any of it would have looked like without.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
That, because it kind of gave you a whole pass.
You were really good at your craft. But because of
that then opened doors and windows and you know everything.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
But oh yeah, no, it was it was, it was,
it was you know all access, yeah, backstage and then
some but it yeah, but it's I think, you know,
one of the central themes of the book is that
it's all about choices, you know, and it's like, I'll
be out in the world and people will say, you know,
(25:15):
they'll see like a lot of attention in photos and
autographs stuff like that, and they'll say, does this ever
bother you? And I said, well, you know, if I,
if I don't want to be bothered, the solution to
that is don't leave your house, right and then I
and then the other side of that is, you know
that you worry about the day they stopped coming up, right,
So just sort of on on the on on the
(25:36):
choices front. You know, all access is an amazing place
to wind up, but it just then it's it's on
the person to then navigate the stuff to embrace and
the stuff to not do that with, you know. And
I sort of went for all of it.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Was there an actor who outpartied you.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
That's still alive, Well.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
They hopefully they're not dead because of out partying you,
but right, right right, like a musician or an actor
who outpartied.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
You, I think there would there would more likely be
a rock star. You mean that. I actually saw that
with my own eyes. We partied together and I had
to you tabbed it out. I called it a night,
and he kept going. You know, there was actually one guy.
There was one guy, and it's just it's sucks because
(26:40):
you know, he ultimately got clean and then died in
a freaking car crash outside of Vegas. And that was
Sam Kennison. Sam would you couldn't. I couldn't keep up
with him, you know. It was Yeah, there were nights
when I was like, all right, buddy, thank you, this
is amazing. These last four days have been amazing. But
I'm gonna I'm gonna go sleep for about seventy hours,
(27:03):
and he'd still be going, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Is Charlie Sheen The New York Times best selling book
A Book of Sheen, Netflix documentary aka Charlie Sheen are
both out. Now, give me the movie role that kind
of represents you who you really are.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
In a film that I was in or somebody else's
movie that you were in.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Like, what role did you not really have to play
a role?
Speaker 7 (27:31):
I think the the closest example would be Two and
a Half Men. I know you said film, yeah, but
I think that's the one that really borrowed from just
a lot of it borrowed from the fun stuff, didn't
borrow from the dangerous crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
You know, how do you apologize when? Or do you
or can you apologize?
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Yeah, and this is not trying to be cute, but
hopefully and and most of the time in person, in person,
and and it's it's funny. I was just talking to
a buddy of mine about this just the other day that, uh,
and I told them that we can't insist we we
(28:24):
can't determine other people's timelines for them to come to
a place, uh, to to be receptive, to be open
to that to that message, you know. But it's it's
there's still people, there's still folks out there that I
need to have a sit down with, you know, or
just at least get on the phone or you know,
(28:46):
one of these. But for the most part, the people
in my life who matter the most. That that's that
that that that's already taken place, and it's an ongoing process.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
But even in the documentary, your brother talks fondly about you.
The dad stuff is heartbreaking because your your dad, he
loved you, but he couldn't he couldn't get you. And uh,
that that's kind of what hit me pretty hard there is.
You're right there in front of him and he can't
really do anything about it.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Yeah, that was one of the one of the one
of the moments for me watching it. I I think,
I say in the doc I can't imagine being my dad. Yeah,
you know, and then you know, people are asking, well,
why wasn't he in it?
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Right?
Speaker 7 (29:38):
And he watched the rough cut of the first episode
and he was over the moon about it and super supportive,
and he was, yeah, he's honored and flattered, you know
how we included him. And he said, look, I'm I'm
already in it. I don't I don't need to, you know,
give it. You know Today's commentary on all that stuff.
(29:59):
It's it's it's better telling the story like that, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
More likely to do a sequel to Major League or
Wall Street major.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
League major League.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
In fact, it's interesting not to not to get out
over my skis with this, but there has been a
dialogue about it as as as.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
You resound a long time.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
That's true, that's true. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So you got a script in the making here or
an idea for no.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
No, but there's there's there's a new there's a company involved.
That is that is very interested that I'm already in
business with with the docs, and that's that that could
deliver something I think the fans have been waiting for
for a long time. And and don't worry, I'm not
going to be a player. I would show up in
the in the capacity of coach or manager or or
(30:54):
you know, a pitching coach or something. But now it's interesting,
this was just discussed yesterday.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Do you still throw? Do you still take batting practice?
You do any of that?
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Got a kind of a I gotta I got a
bad shoulder I'm dealing with. There's a thing that Tony
Todd and I do on our birthday, his and mine
every year where we.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
We throw.
Speaker 7 (31:17):
Without dropping a single toss, we throw the amount of
tosses that equals our age. So it's been this, this thing,
and we hoped one day, you know, count to one hundred.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You're lucky to have Tony in your life, I am,
I am.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
It probably kept you alive a few times.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Yeah, that when he was just always knowing that he
was you know, either right down the hall or right
at the next table, or at the table, or or
just you know along for that part of the journey. No,
it was, uh, it was, it was.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
It was.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
It was a lovely, uh security blanket. Now I'm going
to reduce him to that because he was was in
those moments so much more than that. But it was,
it was, it was, it was a comforting energy.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Was great to talk to you again. Good luck with
the book, book and stay happy.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
That's great advice and I'm going to follow it.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
And once again, don't do crack and drink chocolate milk.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
Noted noted and you have my word.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Thank you, Charlie.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Right, I thanks that. I appreciate it very well.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
The book is the book is Sheen? And is Netflix
documentary aka Charlie Sheen. Both are out now. Wow, fourteen
years ago and he had no recollection of it. But
he looked good, look refreshed and hopefully he can get
some jobs start acting again. What a wild ride. Wow.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation. Catch all of our shoes at Foxsports Radio
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to
listen live.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner joining is so on the program.
Would you have started? Dylan Gabriel Overseas against Minnesota for
his debut.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I'm not sure that would have been the route that
I went. I understand why, understand where they're at. I
understand it's the NFL, so there's not any easy game,
so to speak. But but yeah, that's a lot of
things going on along with playing against the Brian Flores
defense that's going to throw a lot of looks at
you that. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be
(33:40):
an easy one for if for Dylan Gabriel. But Minnesota
obviously didn't play great last week either, so maybe you
look at this as an opportunity to get a win
and get on track.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
What advice would you give Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I think the biggest thing is just realize that you
don't have to do it all on your own. I
think when the spotlight is on you and you get
put into that position, and the first thing to do
is to say, Okay, I got approve to everybody why
I'm starting now, and I got to go out and
make all of these plays. And you know, when I
took over in ninety nine, I looked around and said, okay,
I got a lot of playmakers around me. I don't
(34:14):
have to do this all by myself allowed them to
help you along the way. It's okay to punt every
once in a while because you've got a great defense
that can help you out, and so not feeling like
that spotlight is on you and you have to prove
to everybody why you're the starter right now.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
How do you teach a young quarterback to get rid
of the ball?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
I think getting rid of the ball is understanding what
you're seeing, you know, a comfort level with the plays
that you're running. To me, it's always about if you
know where your eyes should be to start the process.
That's the first step in being able to get the
ball out, knowing what you're doing and getting through your progressions.
And you know, sometimes with young guys, and again against
(34:54):
the Brian Flores defense, they're going to give you a
lots of things to look at. They're going to get
guys up at the line of scrimmage, are going to
have guys running out into his own coverage, so they're
going to make that harder. But understanding your playbook so
well that hey, and this kind of look, this is
where my eyes need to start, and that speeds up
the process. So that would be what I was would
always be focusing on with the young quarterback.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
What was your thought when the Rams were going to
go on fourth down in overtime and go for the
win as supposed to go for the time.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yeah, I mean, I don't mind the decision at all.
You're at home, you want to get one against division rival.
Was surprised, I think, like a lot of people, with
the play call, you know, I just you know, talked
earlier in the week about how the Rams are so good,
especially getting close to the red zone with their naked
bootleg you know, play action game at your staffords so
good at it, they're creative with it that that's where
(35:44):
I thought they would go to give more options to
Matthew Stafford instead of just running it right up the gun.
So I more disappointed, I think with the play call
than I was the decision to go for it on
fourth down, because I fully understand why you want to
win that game, especially with San Francisco being as beat
up as they were. You didn't want to come out
of that thing saying, oh man, we you know, we
(36:06):
lost or even we tied that team. Unfortunately it worked
out that way. But I think they're probably reallying a
little bit today. Because everybody going in they're like, oh
my gosh, it's going to be a walking the park
for the Rams. And you know, Mac Jones played great
and the team showed up and had a great win.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Give me the most must win game of the weekend
for you.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
For me, it's going to be Texan Ravens. Both teams
I think I hopes for both teams, you know, expected
to win their division, both sitting at one in three
right now, and neither one playing very good football. I
know Texan has got to win last week, but you
know that was against you know, a Tennessee team that
hasn't won yet. So c J. Stroud doesn't look the
(36:46):
same to me. That their offense doesn't look good to me.
And then on the other side, I think we know
all the issues and then the possibility of not having
their star quarterback and Lamar Jackson. I think that is
a must win for both of these teams with you
know where that division is going right now.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
But explain to me what's going on with CJ. Stround.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I wish I could. You know, when he was a rookie,
I had him in my top five quarterbacks in the league.
The way that he played his rookie year, and it
was his ability to see things and his accuracy and
the technique that was with it. In the last two years,
I don't know. I really can't tell you what's going on.
I don't feel like he's seeing it very well. I
(37:26):
feel like he's missing things. I feel like when they
bring pressure, he doesn't have answers. And it's weird to
me because very seldom, obviously do you see that when
a young guy seems to have those answers and do
those things and then it falls away from them. And
it's really been the last year and a half where
I don't believe he's playing, you know, as well as
he did, and a lot of people going to the
(37:47):
offensive line and some of the issues up there, but
I think it starts with CJ. And you know, just
watching him, he's not making the throws and making the
decisions that he did as a rookie. And I can't
tell you. I can't put a finger on it. Because
he was so good as a rookie. It's hard for
me to fact what's gone wrong or what's going sideways
on this to take him to where he is right now.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Talking to Kurt Warner the Hall of Famer and Super
Bowl MVP, two time NFL MVP. NFL Network will have
the vikings in the Browns. That'll be nine thirty Eastern
from London. We had a conversation. We've had a couple
of conversations this week. One is focused on Russell Wilson.
Can you play yourself out of the Hall of Fame? Now?
(38:29):
I don't know if you had him in the Hall
of Fame, but he's playing himself maybe out of consideration
for the Hall of Fame? Do you believe that given
that he had a ten year run that was pretty impressive,
These last couple of years have been pretty pretty rough.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I would say
lay your way out of it. You know. I think
what I would say in these last few years with
Russell is maybe it gives you a different perspective of
the kind of player that he was. Is that you know,
when he was in Seattle, obviously they had a great
defense when they went to the on their run, and
he was asked to be more of a complimentary if
(39:06):
he's more of a playmaking piece than actually you know,
playing more drop that quarterback, carrying the team with his
right arm and so when he left, I think the idea,
I think it was Russell's idea as well as wherever
he chose, is that he wanted to show people that
he could play the position more conventionally and more like
(39:27):
I think, you know, guys like Brady and Manning and
those things, and he didn't have to just be a playmaker.
And then that hasn't worked out. And you know, he
tried in numerous spots now and it hasn't worked out
to show people that. And so I think, if anything,
it maybe gets people to look back and go, Okay,
you know, who is the real Russell Wilson here? And again,
(39:48):
I don't know if that plays anybody out of the
Hall of Fame because you mentioned it. The first decade
statistically was really really impressive, but I think it may
have people step back and go, Okay, you know who
is you know the guy that we're looking at, and
you know, the Hall of Fame type of thing. Was
he an elite player at that position comparative to other players?
(40:10):
And you know, you know as well as I do
that there's a lot of different ways to look at it.
I mean, you look at my situation is I didn't
play as many games and certain things. But when I played,
I played at a high level, so I was able
to get in. Some other guys may not have played
it quite a highest level, but played longer and have
better stats and those things, and they get into the
Hall of Fame. And so there's so many ways to
(40:31):
weigh I think what the Hall of Fame is. But
that's what I would say, not necessarily play his way
out of it, but have people look at him a
little bit differently and kind of compare the two quarterbacks
to decide, Okay, who was Russell Wilson and does he
fit in that category?
Speaker 2 (40:47):
But if you don't go to Arizona, are you getting
into the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I mean, I would highly doubt it, you know, even
though you know there was an elite level of play
and two Super Bowls and two MVPs in Sane Lewis,
I think ultimately it would have been just not enough
time to be able to have, you know, another three
years and go to another Super Bowl with another team.
I think, is what kind of kind of stamped that
you know? And you know, again it could have easily said, hey,
(41:13):
this guy at his peak, you know, was a Hall
of Fame quarterback, but that peak wasn't long enough. And
so yeah, again, I think we've seen a lot of
different ways for guys to you know, solidify themselves as
Hall of famers. And you know, that becomes the ultimate question,
you know, at the end of the day. I mean,
you have Eli Manning, that's you know, that's right there
(41:34):
on the cusp. And I think they're weighing heavily super Bowls, right,
super Bowls and you know, winning super Bowls. Well, Russell
has been to two Super Bowls. I know he only
won one of those. But you know, so what exactly
is the determining factor in getting to the Hall of Fame.
I don't know if anybody knows exactly. And and as
you said, and we mentioned that first ten years, you know,
(41:58):
I think you know, you asked me, if I didn't
go to you know, Arizona, would I have been in
the Hall of Fame? Probably not. If Russell Wilson didn't
go anywhere else beside Seattle, would he be in the
Hall of Fame? And the answer is probably yes.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, I remember I spoke to you, maybe it was
the season that you went to the Super Bowl in Arizona,
and we talked about what you know? Am I a
Hall of Famer? And I said no, but if you
take Arizona to the super Bowl, you'd be a Hall
of Famer. Do you remember we had that conversation I
after the game and I was there to hand out
(42:30):
the trophy, but I sought you out. I wanted to
find you after the game, and I remember the only
thing I said to you when I walked I walked
up to you. I think you were with your wife,
and I said, you're going to the Hall of Fame.
That was the only thing I think I said to you,
because obviously you're distraught because you know, you think you're
(42:51):
winning the super Bowl, and I just remember, you're going
to the super Bowl. And it stayed in my head
that whole time after I talked to you, and you
got to the super Bowl. Could have won the Super
Bowl and he went to the Hall of Fame. One
other thing I want to bring up. We just had
a caller saying, what quarterback have had the biggest impact
or changed the game the most in NFL history in
(43:12):
your opinion, who would you single?
Speaker 8 (43:15):
It's a that's a good question, and I don't know
about one quarterback, you know, because I think about Dan
Marino and how you know he played the game so
differently at that time.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
I think they were a past first team. I think
about our offense in Saint Louis. I think we, you know,
changed the way the game was played and what we
see now. I think really started with with our team.
And then I heard you talking a little bit about
Peyton Manning, And the one thing I would say about
Peyton Manning is there's no doubt Peyton Manning was the
best quarterback we've ever seen before the snap at playing
(43:49):
the game before the snap, changing plays, knowing what a
defense was going to do. But I wouldn't say that
necessarily transformed the game because I don't know if there's
been anybody anywhere close to Peyton doing that. And so
when I think about changing the game, it's about, Okay,
how did I lead the next generation into playing a
similar way?
Speaker 3 (44:09):
You know?
Speaker 4 (44:10):
And maybe you look at a guy like Michael Vick
because of where the NFL's gone now in terms of
the athletic quarterback and using guys, you know, in two
different ways, and so not sure how I would answer that,
but I do think, you know, Peyton was unique and
different and the best we've ever seen it at playing
before the snap, where a lot of guys like myself
(44:30):
were way better playing after the snap than before. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I also mentioned Joe Namath because he won this singular
most important game in NFL history. He brought about a merger.
It's hard to argue with anybody else there were better quarterbacks,
but he guaranteed it. He did it. They're all eyes
on that and one of the biggest upsets we've ever seen.
And so I would probably say Joe was the most
(44:57):
impactful quarterback of all time because of that one moment.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Yeah. Well, and I think he also was the first
quarterback to throw for four thousand yards or something in
the league too, So I mean he wasn't doing games. Probably, Yeah,
I was doing things that that people weren't doing at
that time. You know, I didn't grow up seeing a
lot of Joe name, and so yeah, I think of
you know, more of my time. But but yeah, I mean, yeah,
with everything that he did and the guaranteed victory and
(45:21):
throwing the ball the way he did, I could surely
make that argument.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
God, he threw a pretty good ball, like effortless, effortless,
I bet the best passer of best quarterback at throwing
the balls?
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Who at throwing the ball? And what do you what
do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Like which one is? You know, you see certain pitchers
and they you know, they make every pit you know.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
But yeah, if if I was picking a guy, I
would probably pick Dan Marino just watching him throw and
you know, the release that he had and you know,
the arm strength, but also the touch on the football.
You know, he was the guy that you know, I
grew up kind of going, man, if you can throw
the ball like that, I mean that would be you know. Yeah,
(46:06):
tried to emulate him in my front yard because I
thought he was special of a thrower of a football
that maybe that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
What did What did you say to him when you
met him?
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Well, I mean, you know I was in all like
like a lot of people, but I probably said that
exact thing. Is like, Man, I grew up, you know,
trying to be you and you know, wanting to be
what you were on a football field, you know. And
I obviously shared the story of at my Hall of
Fame speech that when I was stocking shelves at the
grocery store, I was in the serial aisle and one
(46:40):
of the nights, I was stocking the wheaties box and
Dan Reno was on the wheaties box, and so he
gave me a lot of inspiration when I was chasing
my dream and then a stocking shelves, going hey, one day,
one day, I'm gonna be like Dan Marino and I'm
gonna be on a wheaties box, you know. So, you know,
it just fun to have those guys that you know,
you want to emmu late, you want to chase after,
(47:01):
and then you meet a guy like Dan who's such
a great individual too, that lived up to the hype
not only with what he did on the field, but
also who he was off the field.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Have fun this weekend, go to catch up with you again.
Thank you, Kurt, You too, my man. Kurt Warner Hall
of Famer
Hosts And Creators
Todd "Fritzy" Fritz
Dan Patrick
Patrick "Seton" O'Connor
Paul Pabst
Marvin Prince
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Cardiac Cowboys
The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.