October 9, 2025 • 46 mins
DP reacts to the Yankees getting eliminated from the playoffs by the Blue Jays. PFT Live co-host Mike Florio gives his take on the Browns trading Joe Flacco seemingly without Kevin Stefanski's knowledge, and he doubts many teams can sell this version of Bill Belichick to their fans. CBS Sports NFL/CFB analyst Ross Tucker believes the Eagles' offensive slump won't last long and sees the Browns' trade of Joe Flacco as a clear signal they are looking to the future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Let me start with the Blue Jays closing out the Yankees.
The Tigers and Mariners are tied to two games apiece.
The Phillies are still alive as Kyle Schwarber had a
couple of home runs, and the Cubs over the Brewers,
which certainly makes for some interesting baseball coming up. Phillies
at the Dodgers and then the Brewers at the Cubs
tonight to compete with Eagles at the Giants. Seaton, would
(00:29):
you give us the poll question from the first hour.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, first hour.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
We're going to go with one from Pauli here. Worst
way to lose a playoff baseball game. You got four options, strikeout,
looking with men on base, grounding into a game ending
double play, an error in the field like a drop ball,
something like that, or give up the game winning home
run as a pitcher.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh now, I'll reflect back on what Mitch Williams told
me when he gave up a home run that won
the World Series for Toronto. He gave up the home
run to Joe Carter, and he said, hey, you know,
it's not one of those that you're devastated by because
I threw my best and he hit my best. I
at least got that moment, and I like it was
(01:15):
a completely different take than I would have had. But
he said, hey, you want to throw your best. He
hit my best, and he was the better man and
they won the World Series.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yes, yeah, like some of you know, grounding into a
game ending double play, I don't think that that's a
bad way at all. It sucks, but you put the
ball in play, you know, you make contact that just
didn't find the gap.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
In the infield or whatever. But I mean, at least
you gave your team a chance.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
That's a lot different than say like striking out looking
where you don't even swing like that is just terrible.
Or an error in the field is brutal. That's brutal.
And you lose the game that way, that is just awful.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
And having been there when Bill Buckner had the ball
go through his legs and he talked about that, you know,
they win the World Series. Ball goes through his legs,
and uh, you know that lives in infamy. All Right,
we'll settle on a poll question here. I did want
to bring the end the final call with the Yankees
against the Blue Jays. Blue Jays have put up some runs.
(02:14):
The Blue Jays have scored thirty four runs so far
in the playoffs. That's the most by any team through
its first four postseason games in baseball history. What's Gonna
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stat of Today has always brought to you by Panini America,
the official trading cards to the program. This is how
it sounded on the Blue Jays Radio Network.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
One two swinging them.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
In strike three, screaming flex from Hoffman. The Blue Jays are.
Speaker 8 (02:50):
Back in the ALCS for the first time since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
They down the Yankees in their own yard, and they're.
Speaker 8 (02:59):
The first team in Baseball's Final four.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Okay, Blue Jays Radio Network. Dave Simms, of course, is
the play by play voice for the Yankees radio network.
He joined us a couple of days ago to talk
about maybe his lack of enthusiasm for a Blad Guerrero
Grand Slam. Fritzy called him out on that, so we thought,
let's juxtapose the two calls there. So here's Dave Simms
(03:24):
and the end of the Yankees season.
Speaker 9 (03:27):
There's a Pitts swing in a miss and I'll do it.
The Ronald Blue Jays are going to the American League
Championship Series, which starts on Sunday, as Hoffman is a
very defiant look at the Yankee dugout now, very sad
ending to a Yankee season here in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, Todd, you of course the big judge of Dave
Simms enthusiasm or lack thereof a little.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
More Bode I was got to help. He would take
it with him.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
How about that Blue Jays? He didn't do it. That's
all right, he did not.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You don't, are you okay with that kind of you know,
very somber call.
Speaker 10 (04:04):
It ended the season, So I can wink at that,
but it's very very somber, and I guess you're trying
to capture your audience. The Yankee fans are upset and said,
so you have to be sad, okay, understandable.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Feel a big.
Speaker 10 (04:16):
Moment for the Blue Jays and then moving on to ALCS.
That's a big knowledge even.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
As a ye know, yes, Paul, Yeah, it wasn't a
huge play like a game ending home run by the
Blue Jays where he had to do the excitement then
bring it back down. It was more and with all
the men left on base, it was like you could
feel the disappointment coming. So he captured the tone.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And I think that there was speculation, there wasn't anything
that was concrete that maybe Aaron Boone would lose his
job if they got swept and we had Christopher mad
Dog russo on, he goes nope. Front office loves Boone,
loves Cashman. Cashman's been there in some capacity since nineteen
eighty six. But Aaron Boone looks like he'll survive even
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though they got one win out of this. And you
have to start to wonder, are the Yankees okay with this?
From from a certain standpoint? Are they okay that your
team is good? You have maybe the best player in
the game, you have a pretty you know, hefty payroll,
But are you okay not going to the alcs? Like
(05:21):
how would you sum this up? If you're a Yankee,
you know, person in the front office or Aaron Boone,
is there any part of you that goes okay? Like
did you exceed expectations? Because I would be disappointed if
I But you know, growing up and seeing the Yankees
when the Yankees were truly dominating and spending more money
(05:41):
than anybody, But that's not the case.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
They've almost become kind of prudent, where you know, we're
going to pick and choose, We're not going to go
crazy on the Sodo contract. And you know, we've got
a couple of good guys here. I mean, they overpaid
for a couple of players. Are they still paying Jacoby Ellsbury?
He might, he might still be getting paid by them,
But it just feels like and they didn't have Garrett
(06:06):
Cole so you got I mean, that's one of the
best pitchers in the game. But I don't know, this
wouldn't have happened. They wouldn't have you know, been kind
of stuck in neutral with George Steinbrenner. I just can't
imagine he would go. Yeah, I'm okay with that. They
won one World Series game since what twenty six, twenty sixteen, Yes, Todd.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Is that right, Marvin two thousand and nine, oh, two
thousand and nine.
Speaker 11 (06:34):
Time.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Yeah, The last time.
Speaker 10 (06:35):
They won was against the Phillies in two thousand and
nine when they won the.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
World See no, no, I'm talking about winning a game, nineries.
So they won one World Series game and that was
last year. Yes, yes, yeah, okay, all right, yes, Tom?
Speaker 10 (06:48):
Is it enough of a band aid that they can
say they knocked out the Red Sox in the playoffs.
As far as who's keeping their jobs and having anything
positive to say about this season for the Yanking.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I don't think this was a great Red Sox team.
I think Red Sox team felt like they overachieved a
little bit. But if I'm the Yankee Yankee fan, no,
this ain't about the Red Sox anymore.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
No, because that Red.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Sox aren't the second best team or the or the
best team in the American League. You know, Toronto is
a young team and they got a lot of power,
score a lot of runs. You know, Tigers aren't going
away anytime soon. Uh, Seattle up and coming young team,
you know, so you got to start thinking bigger picture
here than hey, we beat the Red Sox. That wouldn't
(07:29):
satisfy me, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
The Yankees are currently at sixteen straight seasons without winning
a World Series, and that ties their longest stretch in
the history of the franchise. They went from seventy nine
till ninety six without winning, so sixteen years then as well.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And having been there when George would fire Billy Martin
a couple of times, he just didn't, you know, And
it was very reactionary. You know, you were never surprised
that George was going to do something like that. And granted,
there has to be somewhere in between of today's you
know Yankees back to when George was there, but still accountability.
(08:06):
And I'm not, you know, I guess, pleading for or
suggesting they fire Aaron Boone. I mean, I'm not a
big fan of his from the standpoint of analytics. And
here's a guy who played the game, brother played the game,
his dad played the games, dad managed, Like gut feeling
still has a place in the game, and it doesn't
always feel that way when I look at the Yankees.
(08:28):
But I'm just surprised. But then you're going to say,
or at least I would say, all right, and who
you bringing in? Because how many great managers out there,
and Aaron Boone, I think is a very good manager.
I just don't like when you bring out the binder
and all of a sudden, it's like you're ordering off
a menu or something.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Yeah, Pauline, I went back and look at the Blue
Jays history. They won the World Series in ninety two
and ninety three, and then they didn't appear in the
postseason for twenty years? Would you sign up for that?
If you're a fan.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Pick it in ninety two and ninety three.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
I would like, if you're a Cleveland Guardians fan, you
can win the next two World Series and you don't
make the playoffs again for twenty years.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I would sign up for that.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, you have to write if I'm in Cleveland, yes
the choice, Yes, yes, yes I would. I mean the
Marlin fans they did that twice where you Okay, you're
gonna win and then you're not gonna do anything, and
then you'll win again and then not do anything.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, Marvin Marlin's got fans. Ah yeah, wow, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Uh so eight seven seven three DP show a few
things talk about Uh we'll talk to Florio about this
Belichick situation in North Carolina. And when you have to
put out statements you know that, hey, we totally backed
Bill Bellie, Like we're we're what five games in and
we're putting out statements that doesn't bode well here, and
(09:59):
I I think what's happened. A lot of this has happened,
and that is we're blaming his young girlfriend. She gets
you know, like, oh my gosh, you know, how does
he let this happen? Exactly? Bill never had messes in
New England. Never he controlled everything, and now it seems
(10:20):
like he controls nothing. So I put the blame is
on Bill. Bill has to get this right. And everything
that you're hearing is like it's all negative. Now, granted,
they do have two wins, it's just they've been blown
out three times and the two wins aren't impressive. But
if you didn't have all this drama, and let's say
you had a groundswell of support, the locker room wasn't fractured. Guys,
(10:45):
are you know there's positive positivity out there? Hey that
guy looks pretty good. Hey we got a bright future here. Well,
you don't have any of that. And if you're a
recruit or you're the parents of a recruit, I want
your kid going to North Carolina. And North Carolina has
never had a problem with getting top talent.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Never.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Every single draft, it feels like, oh, another player at
in North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
This is on Bill.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Bill's gonna wear this and this will be his last stop.
I can't imagine the Dolphins are gonna go Hey, when
we get rid of Mike McDaniel, Why don't you just
come down here and break Don Schules all time victory record.
I don't see that happening. But man, there's a lot
of reporting going on with this with Belichick North Carolina.
(11:32):
But you know, the owner should not be on his girlfriend. Okay,
I mean, she's acting like she's twenty four years of age.
She's acting like she's in charge. Bill has allowed this
to happen. He allowed this to happen. And I can't
imagine if he was coaching the Patriots, she would be
on the sidelines. I can't imagine that she would be
(11:53):
involved in an interw like this does never happened. So
it's not just her and I think she's getting she's
the focal point because we all have this, you know,
same reaction of he's seventy three and she's twenty four.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
But that's why I wonder where his priorities are. I
truly do.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I don't know if he wants to continue to be,
you know, this mastermind, this great football coach. It just
feels like something is missing there, Like his enthusiasm doesn't
seem like it's pointed towards football, and everybody that he hired,
his son is his defensive coordinator. He brought in Mike Lombardi.
(12:32):
I mean he brought in all the people, and plus
when you recruit, he recruited. So you bring in freshmen
and you bring in transfers. So those are players that
Bill is bringing in. Seventy players he brought in, not
I'm going to inherit Mac Brown's roster. If you said
in North Carolina, hey, you want to do over you
(12:54):
want to keep mac Brown?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I think we know the answer to that. All right,
we'll get to a pole question.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
We'll get your phone calls and we'll talk to Florio
coming up. Also the Cincinnati Bengals. You know when that
or I should say the Browns. When the head coach
doesn't realize that Joe Flacco is going to be traded,
I don't know what that says about Kevin Stefanski, but
he was like, oh, I was surprised we traded Joe.
All right, Andrew Berry, the GM pulled the trade off.
(13:23):
And then your head coach is like, okay, I'm fine
with it. I'm fine with it, and you got Flacco
playing against the Green Bay Packers again. He can be
the second quarterback in NFL history, pro football history to
beat the same team in the same season while playing
for two different teams. I'll give you the answer to
(13:44):
that after this Dan Patrick Show.
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become just the second quarterback since nineteen fifty to start
and win a game against the same opponent on two
different teams in a single season. The only other quarterback
to do it did it in nineteen sixty two. This
is really tough, so I don't know if I mean,
(14:58):
you'd have to be a really really big fan of
this football team or this quarterback because the only other
quarterback to do that was Jack Kemp. He beat the
Titans as a member of the Chargers and the Bills.
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Speaker 5 (15:38):
Good morning, Mike, how are you great?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Dan?
Speaker 13 (15:40):
For disclosure, I had no idea the answer to that
awesome stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
What does it say about the Browns and Kevin Stefanski
that he had no idea that his backup quarterback was
traded to the Bengals.
Speaker 13 (15:55):
I'm surprised he said it out loud because I feel
like so much of what happens in Klee. They understand
that in order to hold these jobs, they are at
the whims of whatever the owner decides to do. And
I think the owner has created destruction. Now this is
just my opinion. I think he's created a structure where
it looks like there's a plan, it looks like there's
a program, it looks like there's a formula for everything.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
But at the end of the day, it's just what
the owner wants.
Speaker 13 (16:19):
And I think everyone's in tune with figuring out what
the owner wants and when the owner wants something, it happens.
So doesn't surprise me at all. It doesn't surprise me.
They traded him, I mean they benched him, they saved
some money, they upgrade a draft pick, and they move
on from a guy that no longer fit into their plan.
So they got something out of him. They have to
be happy with this, all right.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Given all the coverage with Belichick with North Carolina, what's
your number one question about this situation today?
Speaker 13 (16:46):
How much money changes hands and in which direction does
it go when it finally ends. I feel like that's
where this is headed. And those companion statements that came
out at nine thirty six PM Eastern last night, Like
if you hadn't been paying attention to all the reports
that are out there, and you just happen to open
your Twitter and you're a North Carolina fan and you
see that the next post since the one about Drake
(17:10):
May that they were shamed into making on Monday, is
this statement that Bill Belichick's committed to the team, and
then the statement from Bubba Cunningham the ad team is
committed to him. It's like, why are we doing this?
It just legitimizes that there's this avalanche right now of
reporting that they've made no effort to push back against,
of dysfunction and deterioration and just flat out disintegration of
(17:32):
the program. And I feel like that this is just
the idea of if I'm going to go, you're going
to pay me to go. And from the team's perspective,
if you're going to go, we're not going to pay you,
and maybe you're going to pay part of your one
million dollar price tag to get out of here. And
they're just it feels like they're staking out what the
endgame and the dissolution of this is going to be
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hell damaged.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Is his NFL reputation?
Speaker 13 (18:00):
I don't think it affects anything he's done in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I think, but future employment, Oh.
Speaker 13 (18:07):
Well, let me just add this caveat in advance. We
know that there are plenty of teams in the NFL
that don't know what the hell they're doing, and it
all comes from the owner. Dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things,
as our friend Big Kat says, And I can't rule
out an owner of a team that is chronically bad
(18:27):
and they've got a revolving door at the coaching position
saying what the hell. Nothing else we've tried has worked.
Let's give it a shot. But here's the problem. How
do you sell this Bill Belichick to a fan.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Base and to the media that cover the team.
Speaker 13 (18:41):
Who's going to renew season tickets when they find out
that this Bill Belichick is coming in to take over.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I think that's the hardest thing.
Speaker 13 (18:49):
From a football standpoint, what the hell? Maybe he can
recapture some magic. From a business standpoint, I don't know
how you help your bottom line by trotting out Bill
Belichick posts North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
But could you see a scenario where the Dolphins bring
him in if they fire Mike McDaniel. Even though he
would be trying to pass Don Shula's record in the
all time victory list while being a Dolphins coach in
the process.
Speaker 13 (19:20):
I think that's a practical impediment to getting the fans
to buy in.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
That's the key these guys. They act like.
Speaker 13 (19:27):
They're obsessed with winning the Super Bowl. All we want
to do is win the Super Bowl. We want to
win the Super Bowl. Well, you know what, only one
team wins it, but they all win at the Bank Vault.
And if you are going to make a hire that
sabotages your ability to fill your stadium, you're just asking
for red ink in a business where there should be none.
(19:47):
So I think that is the one factor that we
need to keep in mind here. He will be received
very differently wherever he would go next in the NFL
than he would have been two years ago.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Now, I won't rule out.
Speaker 13 (20:00):
That there's some owner that's going to decide I don't care,
this is what I want to do, But I don't
know who it would be. And I think that whole
Don shul of Bill Belichick feud would be a factor
against him going to Miami.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
But it feels like Mike McDaniel's already done in Miami.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Oh, I agree with you.
Speaker 13 (20:17):
I agree with you, But that doesn't mean the replacement's
going to be Bill Belichick. They need to find a
middle ground between the Brian Flores Belichick type that couldn't
get along with Tuatoga I low and it was kind
of a hard charging task master and Mike McDaniel, who's
everybody's buddy and he's just really chill and he's authentic.
Authentic works until you're piling up losses and you see
(20:38):
this guy who seems to be unaffected by the fact
that they're piling up losses. So they need to find
someone in the middle. But this is what dysfunctional teams do.
It doesn't work out with one coach, so the next
guy we hire is the exact opposite from a personality standpoint,
and they.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Just swing back and forth between those two types.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for flipping somebody off
for Jerry Jones, I'm always curious if the commissioner has
a book, you know, like he just goes over, opens
his desk and goes, let me see you got that
flipping off fans two hundred and fifty Like, how did
they come up with two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
for Jerry Jones.
Speaker 13 (21:16):
Well sixteen years ago Bud Adams, the late founder of
the Oilers who were then the Titans, he got fined
two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Thousand dollars for two of them.
Speaker 13 (21:25):
So I don't know if it's inflation cost of living increase.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But Dan, here's my big takeaway.
Speaker 13 (21:32):
Beyond the fact that Jerry had the ridiculous I meant
to give a thumbs up, and you know, my hand
has a life of its own, a mind of his own,
and I gave the figer. But I think Jerry should say,
you know what, next time, I'll just throw a drink
on them, because that only costs three hundred thousand dollars
when David Tepper did it, that's a.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Bargain in comparison.
Speaker 13 (21:49):
If I really, if I'm really upset, I'll just throw
the drink and pay the extra fifty grand.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Dang two hundred and fifty k. And then did the
team Jonathan Gannon got fined. Did the team do it
or the NFL?
Speaker 13 (22:03):
The team did it, and the NFL was satisfied by it.
And you know a lot of times what happens, isn't.
They don't come out and admit it. The league makes
it clear to the team, you need to do something
about this or we will. And I think it was appropriate.
He crossed the line. We're in an age where you
can't put hands on your players, and he made contact
with Mri d Marcato multiple times, including kind of an
aggressive slap to the arm as he walked away, So
(22:25):
I think it was appropriate. The real question is does
the locker room accept his apology?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Do they buy it?
Speaker 13 (22:31):
Did it seem sincere or was it a hostage video
type of an apology that he had to make. And
we'll see as soon as this weekend when it's time
for them to play, we'll see what kind of performance
he gets from his players.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So that Jerry Jones's middle finger is two and a
half times worse than Jonathan Gannon's action correct.
Speaker 13 (22:51):
Well, again, I don't know where the book is that
tells them what to do. And we always hear that
owners are held to a higher standard than players, and
sometimes they are. Jerry Judy of the Browns did the
double barrel middle finger to Ravens fans, and his fine
was somewhere between ten and twenty thousand for that. So
in this situation, they hold the owners to a higher standard.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So I don't know.
Speaker 13 (23:15):
I just wonder like if if Jonathan Gannon had messed
with the wrong guy and we would have had a
Latrell Spreewell situation on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I mean, that's the problem.
Speaker 13 (23:24):
There are certain guys in the NFL who aren't going
to take what Mrii d. Morcado received from Jonathan Gannon.
So I think it's probably wise for coaches to not
lay hands on these gladiators who are out there hitting
people for a living.
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Speaker 12 (23:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
The Mac Jones situation. Now, it's not surprising for me
because Kyle Shanahan didn't like him going into that draft,
and then you get him, even though they don't have weapons,
He's played really well. I don't want to go as
far as to say do they have a quarterback controversy?
But if Mac Jones plays great again, I think six
touchdowns in one interception, you know could this be a
(24:16):
quarterback controversy.
Speaker 13 (24:18):
Here's the big picture, and the forty nine Ers were
very wise dan to sign mac Jones, not to a
one year deal like they did with Sam Darnold, two
years with mac Jones at around eight million dollars. The
way that the brock Party contract that was negotiated in
the offseason is structured two years is what Purty is
guaranteed and the forty nine Ers have, and they build
(24:41):
this into all their contracts. A lot of teams the
next year becomes guaranteed right after the league year begins
in the middle of March. The forty nine Ers always
demand until April one.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
To make a decision, So they have until.
Speaker 13 (24:53):
April one of twenty twenty seven to make a decision
about brock Party. After the twenty sixth season, well, there's
a lot of football to be played between now and
the end of the twenty twenty six season. By then,
you know, a lot of times you think you have
a problem, you have an issue.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
What are we going to do?
Speaker 13 (25:09):
The decision reveals itself in time. By the time we
get to the end of the twenty twenty six season,
I think we'll know and they'll know which of the
two guys is the long term play, and they'll have
a seamless way if they want to do it to
pivot to mac Jones and get away from the remainder
of brock Purty's contract.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
That's the key.
Speaker 13 (25:26):
So for now, they got both guys for the next
two years, and then they'll make a decision, and you
know it'll be.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Driven by health.
Speaker 13 (25:34):
Between now and then, they can always play the one
hundred percent card, where brock Perdy plays only if he's
one hundred percent well. Is the one hundred percent No,
I've decided he's not.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
We're going to play mac Jones.
Speaker 13 (25:44):
But hey, in a league where plenty of teams don't
have one quarterback who can get it done, they're fortunate
to have two. And I know they've had plenty of
misadventures at the quarterback position, but they're in a good
spot right now because they've got two guys who can play.
And I think we see how it plays out between
now and week eighteen and twenty twenty, and I think
by then they'll know and will know which of the
two guys is the answer for the long haul.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Is John Harbaugh safe in Baltimore?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Probably not?
Speaker 13 (26:11):
And it's been a long relationship, and you know, he
falls into that category of guy who would get fired
if he gets fired, or if he would resign, or
if it would be a mutual parting, and he'd probably
lands somewhere else right away if he wanted to, like
Andy Reid did, like Mike Tomlin would.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
You know, there's that.
Speaker 13 (26:30):
Thirty percent chunk of the Steelers fan base that is
ready to fire Mike Tomlin anytime they lose two games
in a row. There have been times over the years
where it's felt like it's coming to an end between
the Ravens and Harball, and it's always skewed toward him staying.
This has got to be the biggest test of the
relationship between the front office and Harbaugh that we've ever seen.
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As the roster disintegrates, the team can't win. They got
embarrassed at home by the Texans over the weekend, a
team that had never won in Baltimore went in there
and blew them out. So there's gonna be a lot
of pressure in that owner coach relationship with the GM
kind of caught in the middle.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
What's going to happen after this season?
Speaker 13 (27:09):
So I think there's a very real chance based on
what we've seen through five weeks that then a mutual
parting is what happens when the season.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Ends, because it seems like we've focused on Mike Tomlin's
tenure in Pittsburgh and here they are just kind of quiet.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You know, they can't control what the other teams do
or don't do in the injuries, but you know, I
thought this might be the last year for Tomlin in
Pittsburgh and maybe Aaron Rodgers, like they were all in
together for this one year and then Aaron would go
on his way and Mike Tomlin would go into TV.
But here they are leading the division and we have
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no other reason to think that they won't be there
at the very end of the season.
Speaker 13 (27:50):
The last two weeks had been incredible for the Steelers.
They beat the Vikings in Ireland and the rest of
the division has gone a combined ohen six. So here
they are and the Bengal they're done. The Ravens seem
to be done. And this is just a reminder and look,
I don't want to complain about the business that we've chosen,
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but we spend the off season talking about how the
next season's gonna go with this assumption that everyone's gonna
stay healthy. We know guys are gonna get injured. It's
bad for him to say, well, this guy could get injured,
that guy can get injured, but we.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Know it's gonna happen.
Speaker 13 (28:23):
Five weeks to the day since the regular season began,
the Ravens and the Bengals have been decimated.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
For the Bengals, all it took was one guy. For
the Ravens. It's a bunch of guys, but it changes everything.
Speaker 13 (28:33):
And here are the Steelers at three and one, and
they're sitting pretty and it's working. They finally had a
game where both the offense and the defense showed up
at the same time and they got that win.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
They stole one from the Patriots. They shouldn't have won.
Speaker 13 (28:44):
But here they are, and yeah, that's you know, as
a wise man once said.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
They're sweaty played games.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
And that's part of the fun of it.
Speaker 13 (28:53):
Because right now, Dan, who's the best team in the AFC?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I really don't know the answer to that question.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Is there a chance that Deshaun Watson plays again.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Well for the Browns this year? Probably not.
Speaker 13 (29:07):
There's a subtext where he's trying to get healthy and
at some point he shows up with a doctor's slip
saying this man is cleared to play football, and the
Browns have to make a decision. They're not going to
cut him because that would trigger a one hundred and
thirty five million dollars dead cap charge next year. They're
trying to ride out this contract because they structured it
so the bigger cap hits come later when the cap
is higher. But but the other thing to keep in mind,
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there's an insurance policy that covers him for this year.
If he plays, that insurance policy becomes jeopardized. I don't
know how much they would lose by way of the
money they get for the insurance they had against injury.
It gets a little complicated. I think they'd like to
finesse it. So he's on the team and he's around,
but he's not on the roster, and we'll see if
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it comes to that. But there's other business issues that
go into this calculation. But at this point, I don't
think there's any Browns fan that is curious to see
what the sh Sean Watson can do on the football field.
They're ready to move on from him, but the reality
is he's most likely going to be on the team
through twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Have you ever done a list of the worst decisions
made in NFL history? Like if I said the Browns
moved on from Baker Mayfield and now he's an MVP
candidate in Tampa and then you go all in and
sign Deshaun Watson. Has there been a decision that has
been worse than that in NFL history?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
No?
Speaker 13 (30:30):
No, And I've said before without the Baker Mayfield angle,
the Deshaun Watson contract and trade is the single worst
transaction in NFL history because it's the combination of and
we get caught up in the money.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Two hundred and thirty million.
Speaker 13 (30:43):
Fully guaranteed, it's easy to lose sight of the three
first round picks and multiple other picks that were sent
to Houston. Those are affordable young players who become the
nucleus of your team if you use the picks right.
They've lost all those guys, and so the fact that
they're even able to win a game, the fact that
they went to the playoffs two years ago, is remarkable
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given what they gave up to get Deshaun Watson. So
they gave up a lot. They've paid them a lot,
they've got nothing in return. Yes, I believe firmly that that.
If there was a list, I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Number two would be, but number one would be the
Deshaun Watson acquisition by the Browns.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But what about the Herschel Walker trade?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
That would be that's probably number two, right, number two?
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Right number two, Ricky Williams with the Saints. Is that up.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
They gave up all their draft picks and Mike Dickett
wanted to go play golf, and so take that.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
That's in there.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
That's in there now.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Now.
Speaker 13 (31:40):
Back in those days, again, the draft picks made a
lot more money relative to what they make now. The
important thing to remember now, since twenty eleven, they have
configured the rookie pay system so that those guys are
cheap and you have them for four years. If it's
a first round pick, you have them for five years.
And that's how how you manage a team where you
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pay a few guys market value. The guts of your
team are these young guys that you have gotten for
peanuts in comparison what cost to get a veteran.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Great stuff is always Mike, have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Thanks for joining us, buddy, Thanks, Dan good talking to
Mike Florio.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
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Speaker 2 (32:29):
He's Ross Tucker CBS Sports and Westwood One, NFL college
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Tucker Football Podcast. He called the Niners Rams last weekend,
Air Force and Navy as well. He's got the Monday
night game between the Bears and the Commanders. Always good
to see.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Ross.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
What do you expect out of this Eagle offense now?
Because I'm confused that there's still it seems like trying
to find their identity of what kind of offense they
are or they want to be.
Speaker 11 (33:03):
I think, Dan, that they're going to get back to
what they had success with last year, which is running
the football. Now, they have not run it as well
this year as they did last year. I think the
biggest reason for that is probably the offensive line. You know,
for whatever reason, and there's a couple of them, they
have not performed as well as it did last year.
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I thought last year they were pretty clearly the best
offensive line in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
This year, they haven't been.
Speaker 11 (33:32):
I don't even know if they were a top five
unit with how they played yead guys like Jurgens at center,
Landon Dickerson left guard, who's now out again coming off
of major surgeries. You have a new right guarden, Tyler Steen,
and it just has not looked the same as it
did last year.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Although in fairness, they.
Speaker 11 (33:52):
Also only gave Saquon Barkley the ball one time last
week against Denver when they had a two touchdown. My
guess is that going against a Giants run defense that's
been really bad for a while, and Saquon yet again
playing against his former team in a primetime game, this
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feels to me like a Saquon Barkley breakout game, Like
a big Saquon Barkley game.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
You would think if they were going to do it,
tonight would.
Speaker 11 (34:22):
Be the night.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
So this will be a market correction with the Eagles.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
I would think.
Speaker 11 (34:28):
So. Listen, They're just too talented to not be better
on offense. I mean, we said this last year, but
last year they had the best running back in the sport,
they had the best offensive line in the sport. They
had one of the two or three best wide receiver duos,
they had a top five tight end, Super Bowl MVP quarterback.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Those guys are all still there. You know, they had
ten of the eleven starters returning this year.
Speaker 11 (34:57):
So I think sometimes since they don't play the preseason
at all, teams are playing them a little bit differently.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
I guess I don't know when it'll fully.
Speaker 11 (35:07):
Click, Dan, but I would be surprised if in December
when I come on with you, we're still talking about
the Eagles issues offensively. I think they have a new
offensive coordinator that makes a difference. Some guys aren't playing
as well as they did last year, and defenses are
playing them differently as they should, and they're kind of
trying to figure out the best plan of attack.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
How much of an upgrade is Joe Flacco for the Bengals, You.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Know, that's a great question.
Speaker 11 (35:37):
I'm not sure because a couple of years ago, I
thought Browning was outstanding for the Bengals as their backup
and really played well. I mean, there's a reason why
he's been the backup the last couple of years because
of how well he did whatever that was I think
it was twenty twenty three. You know, he did so
well they were pretty happy with him him as a backup.
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I think the Bengals, I don't want to say caught
flat footed, Dan, but I think they were surprised that
he didn't play better. I think they really thought he's
been in this system for a few years, he played
well when given the opportunity in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
It's kind of stunning.
Speaker 11 (36:18):
Maybe even it sounds like to Browning the way based
on how he's talking that.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
He didn't play better.
Speaker 11 (36:24):
The Flacco thing is fascinating because I think that they
are trying to give their fans and maybe even the
locker room some hope.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
You know, it's not an organization that likes to really.
Speaker 11 (36:37):
Spend, and they went out and they're they're paying Hendrickson
and Chase and Higgins. They don't want to give up
on this year. Yet they're still suggesting that Joe Burrow
could come back later in the year. I would just
say this, Dan, I highly doubt it. I mean, I
highly doubt we will see Joe Burrow this season. I
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guess if Flacco can surprise and they're still in the
playoff race in December, then maybe Burrow would try to
come back at that point. But I don't think they'll
still be in the playoff race at that point. I
don't think Flacco will play that well. I think if
Flacco was playing that well, he would still be the
quarterback in Cleveland, although he also didn't have these receivers.
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You know, we've seen Flacco a couple of years ago
when he took the Browns the playoffs thrown all over
the place. I know this much, Dan, he's forty, he's
made over two hundred million dollars.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
He doesn't care. I mean, it should be entertaining as heck.
Speaker 11 (37:34):
I'm hoping that Flaco just chucks it to Higgins and
Chase and that the Bengals become very, very entertaining, if
nothing else.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
The brown situation they've moved on. Now where you ship
Flacco to Cincinnati. Now you have your two rookies in there.
And I thought Dylan Gabriel handled being overseas your first
start and against a complex defense like the Vikings. But
I just wonder, and the Browns are doing what I
was hoping they would do it. Let's give these two
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kids enough of a runway where we're going to find
out if they're a starting quarterback. Maybe they're destined to
be a backup quarterback. But what do you make of
this situation of the Are the Browns saying we're waiting
until next year already? By making this move by getting
rid of Flacco, they are very clearly.
Speaker 11 (38:27):
You know they always say we have one eye on
the president, one eye on the future. Well, the Browns
at this point have like a magnifying glass on that
eye that's looking at the future. I mean, just look
at the trades they've made this week. Okay, you move
on from Flacco. You're not doing that because you're trying
to win more games this year. You're doing that because
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you want to take a look at both Gabriel and
should Or Sanders. And I do think should Or unless
Gabriel plays very very well, I would imagine that we.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Would see should door for at least three or four.
Speaker 11 (39:02):
Games this year, because I think they want to know
at the end of this year, is Gabriel one two
or three?
Speaker 6 (39:08):
Is Shadora one too or three? What do we have?
Speaker 11 (39:11):
And then they make this trade yesterday with the Jaguars
flopping cornerbacks.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Think about that. Okay, why would they do that?
Speaker 11 (39:20):
Because Greg Newsom is a free agent after this season?
They probably don't want to pay Greg Newsom the huge
money he's gonna get. Tyson Campbell meanwhile, got his big
contract before last season. The Jaguars have already given them
the big bonus, already given them a lot of.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
The guaranteed money.
Speaker 11 (39:40):
So now the Browns have Tyson Campbell cost controlled for
the rest of this year twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven.
So the Browns I think, are making some shrewd moves
to set themselves up to be as competitive as possible
next year, and that includes finding out.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
What they have with Gabriel and Shador. It's kind of
funny because, obviously Dan.
Speaker 11 (40:04):
They want Gabriel to play as well as possible, I mean,
hopefully Gabriel is a starter and they love him, but
they also kind of, I think, want to see what
Shador has at some point, so that will be really
interesting to see. I mean, it wasn't that surprising when
they moved on from Flacco to Gabriel. I think it
will be actually interesting when they move on from Gabriel
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to Shador if that happens.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Ross Tucker, CBS Sports Westwood One analyst the Ross Tucker
Football Podcast. How important is this game? Sunday, the Chiefs
and the Lions for Kansas City.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
I'd say vary at this point.
Speaker 11 (40:41):
You know, now they're fortunate that the Broncos have lost
a couple close ones and that the Chargers are so
beat up as always. I mean, Dan, there's certain teams,
the Niners, the Chargers, the Lions, I don't I mean,
I heard you talking about DraftKings earlier. We should all
every year he's bet the over injuries for those three teams.
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It's unbelievable. And so now the Chargers are in a
bad spot, so that makes it a little bit more
palatable for the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
But he still can't go to two and four, right.
Speaker 11 (41:13):
I Mean, what they're looking like they're headed for is
having to win some road playoff games, which they did
a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
But this is a big game. I think they don't
want to get to two and four.
Speaker 11 (41:26):
Three and three's a lot different, and I really like
the Chiefs in this game quite a bit. The Lions
are just getting too beat up again. You know, they're
missing a couple of d linemen, but now they're down
Terry and Arnold at corner, so they're without their top corners, right,
when Mahomes and the Chiefs passing game is starting to
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click a little bit with Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
They'll get Rashi Rice back soon.
Speaker 11 (41:51):
I think the second half of the year, we're gonna
see probably the best Chiefs offense we've seen in a
couple of years.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
How does Baker Mayfield MVP.
Speaker 11 (42:02):
Keep doing what he's doing. I mean, he's got my
vote right now, you know, because not only is he
playing awesome, he's just so fun to watch.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
Why can't every guy be like Baker?
Speaker 11 (42:15):
It is funny though, because when he was in Cleveland
and would act certain ways, people would say he was
a brasher, immature. You know, now that he's winning and
he's with the Bucks, now it's moxie and guts. You know,
like he said, up still acting the same, I'm just
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playing better and there's.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
A lot of truth to that. But love watching him. Listen.
Speaker 11 (42:41):
They have been so beat up on their offensive line
and they haven't had a game yet with both Mike
Evans and Chris Godwin.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
When they get Geticky.
Speaker 11 (42:50):
Back at right tackle and then they have Mike Evans,
Godwin and Abuka at receiver, I mean we might need
to start talking about the Bucks as being as much
of a favorite to go to the Super Bowl from
the NFC as anybody. You can put Detroit in there,
Green Bay, the Eagles. Whoever, when when the Bucks are healthy,
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I think they were as good as anybody.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Before I let you go.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Do you ever have a moment like the coach treating
you the way Jonathan Gannon acted on the sidelines.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
With the Cardinals. Did anybody ever put their hands on you,
get in your face?
Speaker 6 (43:28):
No?
Speaker 11 (43:28):
I don't ever remember that, And I think that's a
really really good thing, Dan, because you know, even though
I'm smaller now and I'm more mild tempered, I guess
when you're out there, Okay, I thought Dan, in my
head for those three hours, I thought I was the biggest,
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baddest dude in the world. And I had to have
that mentality to be able to compete with those guys
I was going against. I was ready, and I often
did hit anything that moved. We can't get in this
scenario where coaches are touching NFL players. That's not gonna
go well for the coaches a lot of times. I mean,
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I think he's fortunate that de Mercado was, you know,
took it.
Speaker 6 (44:15):
That way, and I guess was sad, but there are
other guys don't.
Speaker 11 (44:20):
It's hard to see from the video exactly what he did,
but that would not go well if you look at
it over time.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
If there's a lot of coaches touching a lot of.
Speaker 11 (44:30):
Players, that will not go well for the coaches and
could lead to some really, really ugly incidents.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
We were asked our favorite sandwiches. I'm sure you, being
in a ficionado of both hot and cold sandwiches, would
you like to give us your favorites.
Speaker 11 (44:49):
Yeah, I mean my favorite cold sandwich is just any
type of Italian sub absolutely love it. I mean, you
can heat it up if you want, but you know,
the pepperoni, the salami, the Capacola, American cheese, spicy mustard obviously, which,
by the way, there are still some restaurants out there
and sandwich shops that don't have deli or spicy mustard,
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and they're literally selling Deli sandwiches. They're very well known.
They might be a sponsor, so I won't call them out.
The hot sandwich everybody already knows. The greatest sandwich of
all time is the sausage McMuffin with egg for McDonald's
everybody knows this.
Speaker 6 (45:28):
There shouldn't be a debate.
Speaker 11 (45:30):
Sausage McMuffin with egg for McDonald's still undefeated, the greatest
hot sandwich of all time. I used to get three,
Now I only get two because I'm crazy healthy.
Speaker 5 (45:42):
Great to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Thank you for giving us those great sandwich suggestions. Oh please,
Paully's got his head in his hand right now.
Speaker 7 (45:51):
You're so disappointed, Ross, You're so much better than that
in what way?
Speaker 6 (45:56):
What?
Speaker 7 (45:56):
I love a sausage, egg and cheese, but there's bigger,
better ones out there, and you should know that. Like
what I'm just saying, I love the sandwich choice sausage,
egg and cheese, but McDonald's not necessarily the best.
Speaker 6 (46:10):
It's delicious. You haven't had one in a long.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Time, that's true. Yeah, Paul likes his sausage, EG and
cheese a little more bespoke.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Yeah, a nicer bread and nauc Yeah, range free.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
I want to be.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
Actually more like in a crummy deli. I'm also find
with a deli that looks like it's not.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Up to code.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Thank you, Ross, Great to you boys, have a great weekend.
That's Ross Tucker
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Let me start with the Blue Jays closing out the Yankees.
The Tigers and Mariners are tied to two games apiece.
The Phillies are still alive as Kyle Schwarber had a
couple of home runs, and the Cubs over the Brewers,
which certainly makes for some interesting baseball coming up. Phillies
at the Dodgers and then the Brewers at the Cubs
tonight to compete with Eagles at the Giants. Seaton, would
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you give us the poll question from the first hour.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, first hour.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
We're going to go with one from Pauli here. Worst
way to lose a playoff baseball game. You got four options, strikeout,
looking with men on base, grounding into a game ending
double play, an error in the field like a drop ball,
something like that, or give up the game winning home
run as a pitcher.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh now, I'll reflect back on what Mitch Williams told
me when he gave up a home run that won
the World Series for Toronto. He gave up the home
run to Joe Carter, and he said, hey, you know,
it's not one of those that you're devastated by because
I threw my best and he hit my best. I
at least got that moment, and I like it was
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a completely different take than I would have had. But
he said, hey, you want to throw your best. He
hit my best, and he was the better man and
they won the World Series.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yes, yeah, like some of you know, grounding into a
game ending double play, I don't think that that's a
bad way at all. It sucks, but you put the
ball in play, you know, you make contact that just
didn't find the gap.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
In the infield or whatever. But I mean, at least
you gave your team a chance.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
That's a lot different than say like striking out looking
where you don't even swing like that is just terrible.
Or an error in the field is brutal. That's brutal.
And you lose the game that way, that is just awful.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
And having been there when Bill Buckner had the ball
go through his legs and he talked about that, you know,
they win the World Series. Ball goes through his legs,
and uh, you know that lives in infamy. All Right,
we'll settle on a poll question here. I did want
to bring the end the final call with the Yankees
against the Blue Jays. Blue Jays have put up some runs.
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The Blue Jays have scored thirty four runs so far
in the playoffs. That's the most by any team through
its first four postseason games in baseball history. What's Gonna
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stat of Today has always brought to you by Panini America,
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it sounded on the Blue Jays Radio Network.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
One two swinging them.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
In strike three, screaming flex from Hoffman. The Blue Jays are.
Speaker 8 (02:50):
Back in the ALCS for the first time since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
They down the Yankees in their own yard, and they're.
Speaker 8 (02:59):
The first team in Baseball's Final four.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Okay, Blue Jays Radio Network. Dave Simms, of course, is
the play by play voice for the Yankees radio network.
He joined us a couple of days ago to talk
about maybe his lack of enthusiasm for a Blad Guerrero
Grand Slam. Fritzy called him out on that, so we thought,
let's juxtapose the two calls there. So here's Dave Simms
(03:24):
and the end of the Yankees season.
Speaker 9 (03:27):
There's a Pitts swing in a miss and I'll do it.
The Ronald Blue Jays are going to the American League
Championship Series, which starts on Sunday, as Hoffman is a
very defiant look at the Yankee dugout now, very sad
ending to a Yankee season here in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, Todd, you of course the big judge of Dave
Simms enthusiasm or lack thereof a little.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
More Bode I was got to help. He would take
it with him.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
How about that Blue Jays? He didn't do it. That's
all right, he did not.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You don't, are you okay with that kind of you know,
very somber call.
Speaker 10 (04:04):
It ended the season, So I can wink at that,
but it's very very somber, and I guess you're trying
to capture your audience. The Yankee fans are upset and said,
so you have to be sad, okay, understandable.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Feel a big.
Speaker 10 (04:16):
Moment for the Blue Jays and then moving on to ALCS.
That's a big knowledge even.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
As a ye know, yes, Paul, Yeah, it wasn't a
huge play like a game ending home run by the
Blue Jays where he had to do the excitement then
bring it back down. It was more and with all
the men left on base, it was like you could
feel the disappointment coming. So he captured the tone.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And I think that there was speculation, there wasn't anything
that was concrete that maybe Aaron Boone would lose his
job if they got swept and we had Christopher mad
Dog russo on, he goes nope. Front office loves Boone,
loves Cashman. Cashman's been there in some capacity since nineteen
eighty six. But Aaron Boone looks like he'll survive even
(04:58):
though they got one win out of this. And you
have to start to wonder, are the Yankees okay with this?
From from a certain standpoint? Are they okay that your
team is good? You have maybe the best player in
the game, you have a pretty you know, hefty payroll,
But are you okay not going to the alcs? Like
(05:21):
how would you sum this up? If you're a Yankee,
you know, person in the front office or Aaron Boone,
is there any part of you that goes okay? Like
did you exceed expectations? Because I would be disappointed if
I But you know, growing up and seeing the Yankees
when the Yankees were truly dominating and spending more money
(05:41):
than anybody, But that's not the case.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
They've almost become kind of prudent, where you know, we're
going to pick and choose, We're not going to go
crazy on the Sodo contract. And you know, we've got
a couple of good guys here. I mean, they overpaid
for a couple of players. Are they still paying Jacoby Ellsbury?
He might, he might still be getting paid by them,
But it just feels like and they didn't have Garrett
(06:06):
Cole so you got I mean, that's one of the
best pitchers in the game. But I don't know, this
wouldn't have happened. They wouldn't have you know, been kind
of stuck in neutral with George Steinbrenner. I just can't
imagine he would go. Yeah, I'm okay with that. They
won one World Series game since what twenty six, twenty sixteen, Yes, Todd.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Is that right, Marvin two thousand and nine, oh, two
thousand and nine.
Speaker 11 (06:34):
Time.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Yeah, The last time.
Speaker 10 (06:35):
They won was against the Phillies in two thousand and
nine when they won the.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
World See no, no, I'm talking about winning a game, nineries.
So they won one World Series game and that was
last year. Yes, yes, yeah, okay, all right, yes, Tom?
Speaker 10 (06:48):
Is it enough of a band aid that they can
say they knocked out the Red Sox in the playoffs.
As far as who's keeping their jobs and having anything
positive to say about this season for the Yanking.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I don't think this was a great Red Sox team.
I think Red Sox team felt like they overachieved a
little bit. But if I'm the Yankee Yankee fan, no,
this ain't about the Red Sox anymore.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
No, because that Red.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Sox aren't the second best team or the or the
best team in the American League. You know, Toronto is
a young team and they got a lot of power,
score a lot of runs. You know, Tigers aren't going
away anytime soon. Uh, Seattle up and coming young team,
you know, so you got to start thinking bigger picture
here than hey, we beat the Red Sox. That wouldn't
(07:29):
satisfy me, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
The Yankees are currently at sixteen straight seasons without winning
a World Series, and that ties their longest stretch in
the history of the franchise. They went from seventy nine
till ninety six without winning, so sixteen years then as well.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And having been there when George would fire Billy Martin
a couple of times, he just didn't, you know, And
it was very reactionary. You know, you were never surprised
that George was going to do something like that. And granted,
there has to be somewhere in between of today's you
know Yankees back to when George was there, but still accountability.
(08:06):
And I'm not, you know, I guess, pleading for or
suggesting they fire Aaron Boone. I mean, I'm not a
big fan of his from the standpoint of analytics. And
here's a guy who played the game, brother played the game,
his dad played the games, dad managed, Like gut feeling
still has a place in the game, and it doesn't
always feel that way when I look at the Yankees.
(08:28):
But I'm just surprised. But then you're going to say,
or at least I would say, all right, and who
you bringing in? Because how many great managers out there,
and Aaron Boone, I think is a very good manager.
I just don't like when you bring out the binder
and all of a sudden, it's like you're ordering off
a menu or something.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Yeah, Pauline, I went back and look at the Blue
Jays history. They won the World Series in ninety two
and ninety three, and then they didn't appear in the
postseason for twenty years? Would you sign up for that?
If you're a fan.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Pick it in ninety two and ninety three.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
I would like, if you're a Cleveland Guardians fan, you
can win the next two World Series and you don't
make the playoffs again for twenty years.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I would sign up for that.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, you have to write if I'm in Cleveland, yes
the choice, Yes, yes, yes I would. I mean the
Marlin fans they did that twice where you Okay, you're
gonna win and then you're not gonna do anything, and
then you'll win again and then not do anything.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, Marvin Marlin's got fans. Ah yeah, wow, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Uh so eight seven seven three DP show a few
things talk about Uh we'll talk to Florio about this
Belichick situation in North Carolina. And when you have to
put out statements you know that, hey, we totally backed
Bill Bellie, Like we're we're what five games in and
we're putting out statements that doesn't bode well here, and
(09:59):
I I think what's happened. A lot of this has happened,
and that is we're blaming his young girlfriend. She gets
you know, like, oh my gosh, you know, how does
he let this happen? Exactly? Bill never had messes in
New England. Never he controlled everything, and now it seems
(10:20):
like he controls nothing. So I put the blame is
on Bill. Bill has to get this right. And everything
that you're hearing is like it's all negative. Now, granted,
they do have two wins, it's just they've been blown
out three times and the two wins aren't impressive. But
if you didn't have all this drama, and let's say
you had a groundswell of support, the locker room wasn't fractured. Guys,
(10:45):
are you know there's positive positivity out there? Hey that
guy looks pretty good. Hey we got a bright future here. Well,
you don't have any of that. And if you're a
recruit or you're the parents of a recruit, I want
your kid going to North Carolina. And North Carolina has
never had a problem with getting top talent.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Never.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Every single draft, it feels like, oh, another player at
in North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
This is on Bill.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Bill's gonna wear this and this will be his last stop.
I can't imagine the Dolphins are gonna go Hey, when
we get rid of Mike McDaniel, Why don't you just
come down here and break Don Schules all time victory record.
I don't see that happening. But man, there's a lot
of reporting going on with this with Belichick North Carolina.
(11:32):
But you know, the owner should not be on his girlfriend. Okay,
I mean, she's acting like she's twenty four years of age.
She's acting like she's in charge. Bill has allowed this
to happen. He allowed this to happen. And I can't
imagine if he was coaching the Patriots, she would be
on the sidelines. I can't imagine that she would be
(11:53):
involved in an interw like this does never happened. So
it's not just her and I think she's getting she's
the focal point because we all have this, you know,
same reaction of he's seventy three and she's twenty four.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
But that's why I wonder where his priorities are. I
truly do.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I don't know if he wants to continue to be,
you know, this mastermind, this great football coach. It just
feels like something is missing there, Like his enthusiasm doesn't
seem like it's pointed towards football, and everybody that he hired,
his son is his defensive coordinator. He brought in Mike Lombardi.
(12:32):
I mean he brought in all the people, and plus
when you recruit, he recruited. So you bring in freshmen
and you bring in transfers. So those are players that
Bill is bringing in. Seventy players he brought in, not
I'm going to inherit Mac Brown's roster. If you said
in North Carolina, hey, you want to do over you
(12:54):
want to keep mac Brown?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I think we know the answer to that. All right,
we'll get to a pole question.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
We'll get your phone calls and we'll talk to Florio
coming up. Also the Cincinnati Bengals. You know when that
or I should say the Browns. When the head coach
doesn't realize that Joe Flacco is going to be traded,
I don't know what that says about Kevin Stefanski, but
he was like, oh, I was surprised we traded Joe.
All right, Andrew Berry, the GM pulled the trade off.
(13:23):
And then your head coach is like, okay, I'm fine
with it. I'm fine with it, and you got Flacco
playing against the Green Bay Packers again. He can be
the second quarterback in NFL history, pro football history to
beat the same team in the same season while playing
for two different teams. I'll give you the answer to
(13:44):
that after this Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
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Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
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Speaker 6 (13:56):
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Speaker 6 (14:08):
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Speaker 2 (14:35):
Before the commercial break, I said that Joe Flacco could
become just the second quarterback since nineteen fifty to start
and win a game against the same opponent on two
different teams in a single season. The only other quarterback
to do it did it in nineteen sixty two. This
is really tough, so I don't know if I mean,
(14:58):
you'd have to be a really really big fan of
this football team or this quarterback because the only other
quarterback to do that was Jack Kemp. He beat the
Titans as a member of the Chargers and the Bills.
That was nineteen sixty two. Mike Florio probably knew the answer.
(15:18):
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Speaker 5 (15:38):
Good morning, Mike, how are you great?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Dan?
Speaker 13 (15:40):
For disclosure, I had no idea the answer to that
awesome stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
What does it say about the Browns and Kevin Stefanski
that he had no idea that his backup quarterback was
traded to the Bengals.
Speaker 13 (15:55):
I'm surprised he said it out loud because I feel
like so much of what happens in Klee. They understand
that in order to hold these jobs, they are at
the whims of whatever the owner decides to do. And
I think the owner has created destruction. Now this is
just my opinion. I think he's created a structure where
it looks like there's a plan, it looks like there's
a program, it looks like there's a formula for everything.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
But at the end of the day, it's just what
the owner wants.
Speaker 13 (16:19):
And I think everyone's in tune with figuring out what
the owner wants and when the owner wants something, it happens.
So doesn't surprise me at all. It doesn't surprise me.
They traded him, I mean they benched him, they saved
some money, they upgrade a draft pick, and they move
on from a guy that no longer fit into their plan.
So they got something out of him. They have to
be happy with this, all right.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Given all the coverage with Belichick with North Carolina, what's
your number one question about this situation today?
Speaker 13 (16:46):
How much money changes hands and in which direction does
it go when it finally ends. I feel like that's
where this is headed. And those companion statements that came
out at nine thirty six PM Eastern last night, Like
if you hadn't been paying attention to all the reports
that are out there, and you just happen to open
your Twitter and you're a North Carolina fan and you
see that the next post since the one about Drake
(17:10):
May that they were shamed into making on Monday, is
this statement that Bill Belichick's committed to the team, and
then the statement from Bubba Cunningham the ad team is
committed to him. It's like, why are we doing this?
It just legitimizes that there's this avalanche right now of
reporting that they've made no effort to push back against,
of dysfunction and deterioration and just flat out disintegration of
(17:32):
the program. And I feel like that this is just
the idea of if I'm going to go, you're going
to pay me to go. And from the team's perspective,
if you're going to go, we're not going to pay you,
and maybe you're going to pay part of your one
million dollar price tag to get out of here. And
they're just it feels like they're staking out what the
endgame and the dissolution of this is going to be
(17:56):
hell damaged.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Is his NFL reputation?
Speaker 13 (18:00):
I don't think it affects anything he's done in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I think, but future employment, Oh.
Speaker 13 (18:07):
Well, let me just add this caveat in advance. We
know that there are plenty of teams in the NFL
that don't know what the hell they're doing, and it
all comes from the owner. Dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things,
as our friend Big Kat says, And I can't rule
out an owner of a team that is chronically bad
(18:27):
and they've got a revolving door at the coaching position
saying what the hell. Nothing else we've tried has worked.
Let's give it a shot. But here's the problem. How
do you sell this Bill Belichick to a fan.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Base and to the media that cover the team.
Speaker 13 (18:41):
Who's going to renew season tickets when they find out
that this Bill Belichick is coming in to take over.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I think that's the hardest thing.
Speaker 13 (18:49):
From a football standpoint, what the hell? Maybe he can
recapture some magic. From a business standpoint, I don't know
how you help your bottom line by trotting out Bill
Belichick posts North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
But could you see a scenario where the Dolphins bring
him in if they fire Mike McDaniel. Even though he
would be trying to pass Don Shula's record in the
all time victory list while being a Dolphins coach in
the process.
Speaker 13 (19:20):
I think that's a practical impediment to getting the fans
to buy in.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
That's the key these guys. They act like.
Speaker 13 (19:27):
They're obsessed with winning the Super Bowl. All we want
to do is win the Super Bowl. We want to
win the Super Bowl. Well, you know what, only one
team wins it, but they all win at the Bank Vault.
And if you are going to make a hire that
sabotages your ability to fill your stadium, you're just asking
for red ink in a business where there should be none.
(19:47):
So I think that is the one factor that we
need to keep in mind here. He will be received
very differently wherever he would go next in the NFL
than he would have been two years ago.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Now, I won't rule out.
Speaker 13 (20:00):
That there's some owner that's going to decide I don't care,
this is what I want to do, But I don't
know who it would be. And I think that whole
Don shul of Bill Belichick feud would be a factor
against him going to Miami.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
But it feels like Mike McDaniel's already done in Miami.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Oh, I agree with you.
Speaker 13 (20:17):
I agree with you, But that doesn't mean the replacement's
going to be Bill Belichick. They need to find a
middle ground between the Brian Flores Belichick type that couldn't
get along with Tuatoga I low and it was kind
of a hard charging task master and Mike McDaniel, who's
everybody's buddy and he's just really chill and he's authentic.
Authentic works until you're piling up losses and you see
(20:38):
this guy who seems to be unaffected by the fact
that they're piling up losses. So they need to find
someone in the middle. But this is what dysfunctional teams do.
It doesn't work out with one coach, so the next
guy we hire is the exact opposite from a personality standpoint,
and they.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Just swing back and forth between those two types.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for flipping somebody off
for Jerry Jones, I'm always curious if the commissioner has
a book, you know, like he just goes over, opens
his desk and goes, let me see you got that
flipping off fans two hundred and fifty Like, how did
they come up with two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
for Jerry Jones.
Speaker 13 (21:16):
Well sixteen years ago Bud Adams, the late founder of
the Oilers who were then the Titans, he got fined
two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Thousand dollars for two of them.
Speaker 13 (21:25):
So I don't know if it's inflation cost of living increase.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But Dan, here's my big takeaway.
Speaker 13 (21:32):
Beyond the fact that Jerry had the ridiculous I meant
to give a thumbs up, and you know, my hand
has a life of its own, a mind of his own,
and I gave the figer. But I think Jerry should say,
you know what, next time, I'll just throw a drink
on them, because that only costs three hundred thousand dollars
when David Tepper did it, that's a.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Bargain in comparison.
Speaker 13 (21:49):
If I really, if I'm really upset, I'll just throw
the drink and pay the extra fifty grand.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Dang two hundred and fifty k. And then did the
team Jonathan Gannon got fined. Did the team do it
or the NFL?
Speaker 13 (22:03):
The team did it, and the NFL was satisfied by it.
And you know a lot of times what happens, isn't.
They don't come out and admit it. The league makes
it clear to the team, you need to do something
about this or we will. And I think it was appropriate.
He crossed the line. We're in an age where you
can't put hands on your players, and he made contact
with Mri d Marcato multiple times, including kind of an
aggressive slap to the arm as he walked away, So
(22:25):
I think it was appropriate. The real question is does
the locker room accept his apology?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Do they buy it?
Speaker 13 (22:31):
Did it seem sincere or was it a hostage video
type of an apology that he had to make. And
we'll see as soon as this weekend when it's time
for them to play, we'll see what kind of performance
he gets from his players.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
So that Jerry Jones's middle finger is two and a
half times worse than Jonathan Gannon's action correct.
Speaker 13 (22:51):
Well, again, I don't know where the book is that
tells them what to do. And we always hear that
owners are held to a higher standard than players, and
sometimes they are. Jerry Judy of the Browns did the
double barrel middle finger to Ravens fans, and his fine
was somewhere between ten and twenty thousand for that. So
in this situation, they hold the owners to a higher standard.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So I don't know.
Speaker 13 (23:15):
I just wonder like if if Jonathan Gannon had messed
with the wrong guy and we would have had a
Latrell Spreewell situation on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I mean, that's the problem.
Speaker 13 (23:24):
There are certain guys in the NFL who aren't going
to take what Mrii d. Morcado received from Jonathan Gannon.
So I think it's probably wise for coaches to not
lay hands on these gladiators who are out there hitting
people for a living.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
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Speaker 12 (23:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
The Mac Jones situation. Now, it's not surprising for me
because Kyle Shanahan didn't like him going into that draft,
and then you get him, even though they don't have weapons,
He's played really well. I don't want to go as
far as to say do they have a quarterback controversy?
But if Mac Jones plays great again, I think six
touchdowns in one interception, you know could this be a
(24:16):
quarterback controversy.
Speaker 13 (24:18):
Here's the big picture, and the forty nine Ers were
very wise dan to sign mac Jones, not to a
one year deal like they did with Sam Darnold, two
years with mac Jones at around eight million dollars. The
way that the brock Party contract that was negotiated in
the offseason is structured two years is what Purty is
guaranteed and the forty nine Ers have, and they build
(24:41):
this into all their contracts. A lot of teams the
next year becomes guaranteed right after the league year begins
in the middle of March. The forty nine Ers always
demand until April one.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
To make a decision, So they have until.
Speaker 13 (24:53):
April one of twenty twenty seven to make a decision
about brock Party. After the twenty sixth season, well, there's
a lot of football to be played between now and
the end of the twenty twenty six season. By then,
you know, a lot of times you think you have
a problem, you have an issue.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
What are we going to do?
Speaker 13 (25:09):
The decision reveals itself in time. By the time we
get to the end of the twenty twenty six season,
I think we'll know and they'll know which of the
two guys is the long term play, and they'll have
a seamless way if they want to do it to
pivot to mac Jones and get away from the remainder
of brock Purty's contract.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
That's the key.
Speaker 13 (25:26):
So for now, they got both guys for the next
two years, and then they'll make a decision, and you
know it'll be.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Driven by health.
Speaker 13 (25:34):
Between now and then, they can always play the one
hundred percent card, where brock Perdy plays only if he's
one hundred percent well. Is the one hundred percent No,
I've decided he's not.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
We're going to play mac Jones.
Speaker 13 (25:44):
But hey, in a league where plenty of teams don't
have one quarterback who can get it done, they're fortunate
to have two. And I know they've had plenty of
misadventures at the quarterback position, but they're in a good
spot right now because they've got two guys who can play.
And I think we see how it plays out between
now and week eighteen and twenty twenty, and I think
by then they'll know and will know which of the
two guys is the answer for the long haul.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Is John Harbaugh safe in Baltimore?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Probably not?
Speaker 13 (26:11):
And it's been a long relationship, and you know, he
falls into that category of guy who would get fired
if he gets fired, or if he would resign, or
if it would be a mutual parting, and he'd probably
lands somewhere else right away if he wanted to, like
Andy Reid did, like Mike Tomlin would.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
You know, there's that.
Speaker 13 (26:30):
Thirty percent chunk of the Steelers fan base that is
ready to fire Mike Tomlin anytime they lose two games
in a row. There have been times over the years
where it's felt like it's coming to an end between
the Ravens and Harball, and it's always skewed toward him staying.
This has got to be the biggest test of the
relationship between the front office and Harbaugh that we've ever seen.
(26:52):
As the roster disintegrates, the team can't win. They got
embarrassed at home by the Texans over the weekend, a
team that had never won in Baltimore went in there
and blew them out. So there's gonna be a lot
of pressure in that owner coach relationship with the GM
kind of caught in the middle.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
What's going to happen after this season?
Speaker 13 (27:09):
So I think there's a very real chance based on
what we've seen through five weeks that then a mutual
parting is what happens when the season.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Ends, because it seems like we've focused on Mike Tomlin's
tenure in Pittsburgh and here they are just kind of quiet.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You know, they can't control what the other teams do
or don't do in the injuries, but you know, I
thought this might be the last year for Tomlin in
Pittsburgh and maybe Aaron Rodgers, like they were all in
together for this one year and then Aaron would go
on his way and Mike Tomlin would go into TV.
But here they are leading the division and we have
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no other reason to think that they won't be there
at the very end of the season.
Speaker 13 (27:50):
The last two weeks had been incredible for the Steelers.
They beat the Vikings in Ireland and the rest of
the division has gone a combined ohen six. So here
they are and the Bengal they're done. The Ravens seem
to be done. And this is just a reminder and look,
I don't want to complain about the business that we've chosen,
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but we spend the off season talking about how the
next season's gonna go with this assumption that everyone's gonna
stay healthy. We know guys are gonna get injured. It's
bad for him to say, well, this guy could get injured,
that guy can get injured, but we.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Know it's gonna happen.
Speaker 13 (28:23):
Five weeks to the day since the regular season began,
the Ravens and the Bengals have been decimated.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
For the Bengals, all it took was one guy. For
the Ravens. It's a bunch of guys, but it changes everything.
Speaker 13 (28:33):
And here are the Steelers at three and one, and
they're sitting pretty and it's working. They finally had a
game where both the offense and the defense showed up
at the same time and they got that win.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
They stole one from the Patriots. They shouldn't have won.
Speaker 13 (28:44):
But here they are, and yeah, that's you know, as
a wise man once said.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
They're sweaty played games.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
And that's part of the fun of it.
Speaker 13 (28:53):
Because right now, Dan, who's the best team in the AFC?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I really don't know the answer to that question.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Is there a chance that Deshaun Watson plays again.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Well for the Browns this year? Probably not.
Speaker 13 (29:07):
There's a subtext where he's trying to get healthy and
at some point he shows up with a doctor's slip
saying this man is cleared to play football, and the
Browns have to make a decision. They're not going to
cut him because that would trigger a one hundred and
thirty five million dollars dead cap charge next year. They're
trying to ride out this contract because they structured it
so the bigger cap hits come later when the cap
is higher. But but the other thing to keep in mind,
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there's an insurance policy that covers him for this year.
If he plays, that insurance policy becomes jeopardized. I don't
know how much they would lose by way of the
money they get for the insurance they had against injury.
It gets a little complicated. I think they'd like to
finesse it. So he's on the team and he's around,
but he's not on the roster, and we'll see if
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it comes to that. But there's other business issues that
go into this calculation. But at this point, I don't
think there's any Browns fan that is curious to see
what the sh Sean Watson can do on the football field.
They're ready to move on from him, but the reality
is he's most likely going to be on the team
through twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Have you ever done a list of the worst decisions
made in NFL history? Like if I said the Browns
moved on from Baker Mayfield and now he's an MVP
candidate in Tampa and then you go all in and
sign Deshaun Watson. Has there been a decision that has
been worse than that in NFL history?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
No?
Speaker 13 (30:30):
No, And I've said before without the Baker Mayfield angle,
the Deshaun Watson contract and trade is the single worst
transaction in NFL history because it's the combination of and
we get caught up in the money.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Two hundred and thirty million.
Speaker 13 (30:43):
Fully guaranteed, it's easy to lose sight of the three
first round picks and multiple other picks that were sent
to Houston. Those are affordable young players who become the
nucleus of your team if you use the picks right.
They've lost all those guys, and so the fact that
they're even able to win a game, the fact that
they went to the playoffs two years ago, is remarkable
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given what they gave up to get Deshaun Watson. So
they gave up a lot. They've paid them a lot,
they've got nothing in return. Yes, I believe firmly that that.
If there was a list, I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Number two would be, but number one would be the
Deshaun Watson acquisition by the Browns.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But what about the Herschel Walker trade?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
That would be that's probably number two, right, number two?
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Right number two, Ricky Williams with the Saints. Is that up.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
They gave up all their draft picks and Mike Dickett
wanted to go play golf, and so take that.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
That's in there.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
That's in there now.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Now.
Speaker 13 (31:40):
Back in those days, again, the draft picks made a
lot more money relative to what they make now. The
important thing to remember now, since twenty eleven, they have
configured the rookie pay system so that those guys are
cheap and you have them for four years. If it's
a first round pick, you have them for five years.
And that's how how you manage a team where you
(32:01):
pay a few guys market value. The guts of your
team are these young guys that you have gotten for
peanuts in comparison what cost to get a veteran.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Great stuff is always Mike, have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Thanks for joining us, buddy, Thanks, Dan good talking to
Mike Florio.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
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Speaker 2 (32:29):
He's Ross Tucker CBS Sports and Westwood One, NFL college
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Speaker 5 (32:49):
Ross.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
What do you expect out of this Eagle offense now?
Because I'm confused that there's still it seems like trying
to find their identity of what kind of offense they
are or they want to be.
Speaker 11 (33:03):
I think, Dan, that they're going to get back to
what they had success with last year, which is running
the football. Now, they have not run it as well
this year as they did last year. I think the
biggest reason for that is probably the offensive line. You know,
for whatever reason, and there's a couple of them, they
have not performed as well as it did last year.
(33:25):
I thought last year they were pretty clearly the best
offensive line in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
This year, they haven't been.
Speaker 11 (33:32):
I don't even know if they were a top five
unit with how they played yead guys like Jurgens at center,
Landon Dickerson left guard, who's now out again coming off
of major surgeries. You have a new right guarden, Tyler Steen,
and it just has not looked the same as it
did last year.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Although in fairness, they.
Speaker 11 (33:52):
Also only gave Saquon Barkley the ball one time last
week against Denver when they had a two touchdown. My
guess is that going against a Giants run defense that's
been really bad for a while, and Saquon yet again
playing against his former team in a primetime game, this
(34:13):
feels to me like a Saquon Barkley breakout game, Like
a big Saquon Barkley game.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
You would think if they were going to do it,
tonight would.
Speaker 11 (34:22):
Be the night.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
So this will be a market correction with the Eagles.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
I would think.
Speaker 11 (34:28):
So. Listen, They're just too talented to not be better
on offense. I mean, we said this last year, but
last year they had the best running back in the sport,
they had the best offensive line in the sport. They
had one of the two or three best wide receiver duos,
they had a top five tight end, Super Bowl MVP quarterback.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Those guys are all still there. You know, they had
ten of the eleven starters returning this year.
Speaker 11 (34:57):
So I think sometimes since they don't play the preseason
at all, teams are playing them a little bit differently.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
I guess I don't know when it'll fully.
Speaker 11 (35:07):
Click, Dan, but I would be surprised if in December
when I come on with you, we're still talking about
the Eagles issues offensively. I think they have a new
offensive coordinator that makes a difference. Some guys aren't playing
as well as they did last year, and defenses are
playing them differently as they should, and they're kind of
trying to figure out the best plan of attack.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
How much of an upgrade is Joe Flacco for the Bengals, You.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Know, that's a great question.
Speaker 11 (35:37):
I'm not sure because a couple of years ago, I
thought Browning was outstanding for the Bengals as their backup
and really played well. I mean, there's a reason why
he's been the backup the last couple of years because
of how well he did whatever that was I think
it was twenty twenty three. You know, he did so
well they were pretty happy with him him as a backup.
(36:01):
I think the Bengals, I don't want to say caught
flat footed, Dan, but I think they were surprised that
he didn't play better. I think they really thought he's
been in this system for a few years, he played
well when given the opportunity in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
It's kind of stunning.
Speaker 11 (36:18):
Maybe even it sounds like to Browning the way based
on how he's talking that.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
He didn't play better.
Speaker 11 (36:24):
The Flacco thing is fascinating because I think that they
are trying to give their fans and maybe even the
locker room some hope.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
You know, it's not an organization that likes to really.
Speaker 11 (36:37):
Spend, and they went out and they're they're paying Hendrickson
and Chase and Higgins. They don't want to give up
on this year. Yet they're still suggesting that Joe Burrow
could come back later in the year. I would just
say this, Dan, I highly doubt it. I mean, I
highly doubt we will see Joe Burrow this season. I
(36:58):
guess if Flacco can surprise and they're still in the
playoff race in December, then maybe Burrow would try to
come back at that point. But I don't think they'll
still be in the playoff race at that point. I
don't think Flacco will play that well. I think if
Flacco was playing that well, he would still be the
quarterback in Cleveland, although he also didn't have these receivers.
(37:20):
You know, we've seen Flacco a couple of years ago
when he took the Browns the playoffs thrown all over
the place. I know this much, Dan, he's forty, he's
made over two hundred million dollars.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
He doesn't care. I mean, it should be entertaining as heck.
Speaker 11 (37:34):
I'm hoping that Flaco just chucks it to Higgins and
Chase and that the Bengals become very, very entertaining, if
nothing else.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
The brown situation they've moved on. Now where you ship
Flacco to Cincinnati. Now you have your two rookies in there.
And I thought Dylan Gabriel handled being overseas your first
start and against a complex defense like the Vikings. But
I just wonder, and the Browns are doing what I
was hoping they would do it. Let's give these two
(38:05):
kids enough of a runway where we're going to find
out if they're a starting quarterback. Maybe they're destined to
be a backup quarterback. But what do you make of
this situation of the Are the Browns saying we're waiting
until next year already? By making this move by getting
rid of Flacco, they are very clearly.
Speaker 11 (38:27):
You know they always say we have one eye on
the president, one eye on the future. Well, the Browns
at this point have like a magnifying glass on that
eye that's looking at the future. I mean, just look
at the trades they've made this week. Okay, you move
on from Flacco. You're not doing that because you're trying
to win more games this year. You're doing that because
(38:49):
you want to take a look at both Gabriel and
should Or Sanders. And I do think should Or unless
Gabriel plays very very well, I would imagine that we.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Would see should door for at least three or four.
Speaker 11 (39:02):
Games this year, because I think they want to know
at the end of this year, is Gabriel one two
or three?
Speaker 6 (39:08):
Is Shadora one too or three? What do we have?
Speaker 11 (39:11):
And then they make this trade yesterday with the Jaguars
flopping cornerbacks.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Think about that. Okay, why would they do that?
Speaker 11 (39:20):
Because Greg Newsom is a free agent after this season?
They probably don't want to pay Greg Newsom the huge
money he's gonna get. Tyson Campbell meanwhile, got his big
contract before last season. The Jaguars have already given them
the big bonus, already given them a lot of.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
The guaranteed money.
Speaker 11 (39:40):
So now the Browns have Tyson Campbell cost controlled for
the rest of this year twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven.
So the Browns I think, are making some shrewd moves
to set themselves up to be as competitive as possible
next year, and that includes finding out.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
What they have with Gabriel and Shador. It's kind of
funny because, obviously Dan.
Speaker 11 (40:04):
They want Gabriel to play as well as possible, I mean,
hopefully Gabriel is a starter and they love him, but
they also kind of, I think, want to see what
Shador has at some point, so that will be really
interesting to see. I mean, it wasn't that surprising when
they moved on from Flacco to Gabriel. I think it
will be actually interesting when they move on from Gabriel
(40:24):
to Shador if that happens.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Ross Tucker, CBS Sports Westwood One analyst the Ross Tucker
Football Podcast. How important is this game? Sunday, the Chiefs
and the Lions for Kansas City.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
I'd say vary at this point.
Speaker 11 (40:41):
You know, now they're fortunate that the Broncos have lost
a couple close ones and that the Chargers are so
beat up as always. I mean, Dan, there's certain teams,
the Niners, the Chargers, the Lions, I don't I mean,
I heard you talking about DraftKings earlier. We should all
every year he's bet the over injuries for those three teams.
(41:03):
It's unbelievable. And so now the Chargers are in a
bad spot, so that makes it a little bit more
palatable for the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
But he still can't go to two and four, right.
Speaker 11 (41:13):
I Mean, what they're looking like they're headed for is
having to win some road playoff games, which they did
a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
But this is a big game. I think they don't
want to get to two and four.
Speaker 11 (41:26):
Three and three's a lot different, and I really like
the Chiefs in this game quite a bit. The Lions
are just getting too beat up again. You know, they're
missing a couple of d linemen, but now they're down
Terry and Arnold at corner, so they're without their top corners, right,
when Mahomes and the Chiefs passing game is starting to
(41:46):
click a little bit with Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
They'll get Rashi Rice back soon.
Speaker 11 (41:51):
I think the second half of the year, we're gonna
see probably the best Chiefs offense we've seen in a
couple of years.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
How does Baker Mayfield MVP.
Speaker 11 (42:02):
Keep doing what he's doing. I mean, he's got my
vote right now, you know, because not only is he
playing awesome, he's just so fun to watch.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
Why can't every guy be like Baker?
Speaker 11 (42:15):
It is funny though, because when he was in Cleveland
and would act certain ways, people would say he was
a brasher, immature. You know, now that he's winning and
he's with the Bucks, now it's moxie and guts. You know,
like he said, up still acting the same, I'm just
(42:36):
playing better and there's.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
A lot of truth to that. But love watching him. Listen.
Speaker 11 (42:41):
They have been so beat up on their offensive line
and they haven't had a game yet with both Mike
Evans and Chris Godwin.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
When they get Geticky.
Speaker 11 (42:50):
Back at right tackle and then they have Mike Evans,
Godwin and Abuka at receiver, I mean we might need
to start talking about the Bucks as being as much
of a favorite to go to the Super Bowl from
the NFC as anybody. You can put Detroit in there,
Green Bay, the Eagles. Whoever, when when the Bucks are healthy,
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I think they were as good as anybody.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Before I let you go.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Do you ever have a moment like the coach treating
you the way Jonathan Gannon acted on the sidelines.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
With the Cardinals. Did anybody ever put their hands on you,
get in your face?
Speaker 6 (43:28):
No?
Speaker 11 (43:28):
I don't ever remember that, And I think that's a
really really good thing, Dan, because you know, even though
I'm smaller now and I'm more mild tempered, I guess
when you're out there, Okay, I thought Dan, in my
head for those three hours, I thought I was the biggest,
(43:50):
baddest dude in the world. And I had to have
that mentality to be able to compete with those guys
I was going against. I was ready, and I often
did hit anything that moved. We can't get in this
scenario where coaches are touching NFL players. That's not gonna
go well for the coaches a lot of times. I mean,
(44:12):
I think he's fortunate that de Mercado was, you know,
took it.
Speaker 6 (44:15):
That way, and I guess was sad, but there are
other guys don't.
Speaker 11 (44:20):
It's hard to see from the video exactly what he did,
but that would not go well if you look at
it over time.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
If there's a lot of coaches touching a lot of.
Speaker 11 (44:30):
Players, that will not go well for the coaches and
could lead to some really, really ugly incidents.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
We were asked our favorite sandwiches. I'm sure you, being
in a ficionado of both hot and cold sandwiches, would
you like to give us your favorites.
Speaker 11 (44:49):
Yeah, I mean my favorite cold sandwich is just any
type of Italian sub absolutely love it. I mean, you
can heat it up if you want, but you know,
the pepperoni, the salami, the Capacola, American cheese, spicy mustard obviously, which,
by the way, there are still some restaurants out there
and sandwich shops that don't have deli or spicy mustard,
(45:12):
and they're literally selling Deli sandwiches. They're very well known.
They might be a sponsor, so I won't call them out.
The hot sandwich everybody already knows. The greatest sandwich of
all time is the sausage McMuffin with egg for McDonald's
everybody knows this.
Speaker 6 (45:28):
There shouldn't be a debate.
Speaker 11 (45:30):
Sausage McMuffin with egg for McDonald's still undefeated, the greatest
hot sandwich of all time. I used to get three,
Now I only get two because I'm crazy healthy.
Speaker 5 (45:42):
Great to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Thank you for giving us those great sandwich suggestions. Oh please,
Paully's got his head in his hand right now.
Speaker 7 (45:51):
You're so disappointed, Ross, You're so much better than that
in what way?
Speaker 6 (45:56):
What?
Speaker 7 (45:56):
I love a sausage, egg and cheese, but there's bigger,
better ones out there, and you should know that. Like
what I'm just saying, I love the sandwich choice sausage,
egg and cheese, but McDonald's not necessarily the best.
Speaker 6 (46:10):
It's delicious. You haven't had one in a long.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Time, that's true. Yeah, Paul likes his sausage, EG and
cheese a little more bespoke.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Yeah, a nicer bread and nauc Yeah, range free.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
I want to be.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
Actually more like in a crummy deli. I'm also find
with a deli that looks like it's not.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Up to code.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Thank you, Ross, Great to you boys, have a great weekend.
That's Ross Tucker
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