October 10, 2025 • 37 mins
DP and the Danettes recap the Giants rookies showing out in their impressive win over the Eagles. 3x Super Bowl champ Devin McCourty claims the NFC now runs through Detroit and shares what it was like trying to tackle Marshawn Lynch. Raleigh sports news anchor Pat Welter goes behind the scenes of North Carolina football's issues and dives into how the mess has unfolded in front of coach Belichick.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We did it. It was a group effort. We made
it to a Friday, and yes it is a meet Friday.
The sun is out, morale is high, and the triggers
are on. They're heating up. We have Dominican style roast
pork shoulder, we have rice and beans. We have Baja
fish tacos. Who has it better than we do? No
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Lody body. The big story the Giant's upsetting the Eagles.
Three touchdowns for Cam Skataboo. And I go back to
the draft. Now, if you follow the show, you know
that I was high on Jackson Dark. My source said
that he had a first first round great on him.
I got to see him probably play three or four
full games at Ole Miss, and I liked what I saw.
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He had mobility, and you're playing for Lane Kiffin. Lane
Kiffin is a offensive minded head coach. He certainly has
a lot of swagger at that position. Transfer in from
USC and then Cam Skataboo, who we got to see
kind of late in his career and you got to
see something that we thought was really special, different, interesting,
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But I didn't know if he was going to be
maybe too slow or too limited to play at this level.
I do know if the ball's on the one or
two yard line, I know who's getting it. But with
Jalen Carter not in there, last night, they ran right
up the middle and Scataboo had three touchdowns. By the way,
the last Giant to have three touchdowns in a game
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Saquon Barkley. That was also in his rookie season. But surprise, surprise,
and you know you're seeing something. And granted it's the
embryonic stages here with the Giants, but we talked about this.
They were going to stay with Russell, and they were
going to stay with him for maybe a month, and
then you were going to ease into Jackson Dart because
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if you ease into Jackson Dart, now, if you have success,
if ownership looks at this and says, maybe we have
something here, let's not make a change at the head coach,
coaching position or the GM and that might be what
happened or happens. I know that when we looked at Russ,
I thought maybe they were gonna play Russ longer than
they should. But maybe they thought we got to win games,
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because if we don't win games. With this schedule, we
won't make it to the second half of the season.
Now you have something interesting there and maybe maybe Jackson
Dart will save Brian Daball's career. Also Joe Shane the
GM And maybe they were reaches, you know, maybe it
was a reach in the first round for Jackson Dart,
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maybe Cam Scautaboo of fourth round draft pick. You weren't
quite sure. But you have hope. And they don't have
any weapons on offense. I mean, I'm looking at the
wide receivers and I go, huh who. But they somehow
made something happen last night. And the only thing that
I would say is, Jackson Dart, I love your mobility,
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but I want you to continue to have mobility. Slide.
Don't take on DBS. Nobody cares. You don't have to
be a tough guy. Slide slide because all it takes
is you. And you got nicked up and they put
him in the concussion tent. But that's where Brian Dabele,
the head coach, is right outside. It's almost like, come on,
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let's go, you're good, come on, here we go. And
all of a sudden, Jackson Dart comes back out and
it's like, Okay, I guess he passed a concussion protocol.
But his head coach, Brian Dable, talked about Jackson Dart's performance.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Good team win.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
That's a division team on the road or at home,
should I say home? Crowd was awesome, but we got
to give him a reason to be awesome too. So
another good game by a rookie quarterback, but another good
game from everybody around him. And that's where we need it.
You know, it's not about one guy, it's about a team.
Two turnovers on defense, very good third down execution on offense,
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rand the ball well, finish the game. It's good to
have a young leader like Dart.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Okay, maybe a little more emotion, a little more enthusiasm there, Brian,
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phone calls. We'll recap the baseball and the Dodgers made
it interesting. Great pitching last night, that was fun, fun
to watch. And here is the final call of the
Dodgers moving on to the NLCS. Heart rates through the room,
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the O one pitch, PAHs grounds it.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Back to Kirky. He can't find it.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
He does Home's what Tim scores, and the Dodgers are
going to the Championship Series. Fire Works go off in
center field. The Dodgers celebrate your first base on a
dround ball back to the pitcher. Andy Potz somehow gets
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the job done.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's courtesy of a five seventy only sports Dodgers radio network.
So you got bases loaded to come back to back
or to crookering and he is looking to make a
play at home and he doesn't have to. He can
go to first and get the out. But he pauses
and it's almost as if he took his eye off
the ball and the glove, you know, his glove and
the batter, and he got lost. He got caught in
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no man's land. Kim scores. Kim actually missed home plate
and then came back and touched home plate. But a
while and we were talking about the worst way to lose,
and it's a walk off air and that's what happened.
Here is Bob Thompson, the Phillies manager, on what he
said to his pitcher after the loss.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Rob obviously a heartbreaking way to lose.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Quickly had a long conversation with Oryan coming off the field.
Do you want to share little what you told him?
Just to keep his heat up? And he just got
caught up in the moment a little bit coming down
the stretcher.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
He pitched so well for us.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
I feel for him because he's he's putting it all
on his shoulders. But we went as a team and
we lose as a teams.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I couldn't help but think of spring training because if
you've ever gone to spring training and you get there early,
not for a game, but just when they're doing drills.
One of the first drills you do is that you
have a comebacker to the picture and then he throws
to first base. I mean, these are really menial task
that you're doing as a pitcher. It's like, okay, you
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got it, comebacker, and then you throw over to first base,
and then the next picture comes in, the next picture
comes in. It's all just everybody's doing the same repetition here,
and you know, you kind of put yourself on automatic
pilot until you're in a moment when the season is
on the line and a comebacker. And really you were
prepared to make the play at first base because your
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body was squared up to home plate to get the ball.
You don't have to try to get the play at
the at home plate, get the out at first base,
had plenty of time to do so. But in these moments,
and I don't know if somebody says, hey, if it
comes back to you, you got the easy out at
first base. These are little things. And your catcher is
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pointing to first base like that's the play, and then
he throws home and the catcher is you know, it
was wide. He had no chance there, but your catcher
is going throw it first, and all of a sudden
he's throwing at home and then it was too late.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
Yes, ton as unforgivable as it may seem. And you
learn that in the little league and all that kind
of stuff. In the moment, in your preferal vision, when
the season and the it's all on the line and
you see that runner right in front of you coming home,
I can in.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
That's what second.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
And I can understand, like, I gotta get this right,
it's right.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
In front of me.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
I gotta flip it to the catcher for the tag.
And that's just you know, he deserves the criticism and
it sucks at this season ended like that. But I
can understand somehow that you thought, let me get him
at home. I'm not sure if I could make the
throw at first, how far down the runner is, and
I got this right.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
In front of me.
Speaker 8 (08:17):
Happened?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
If the catcher's pointing to first base, that's your indicator.
But the catcher should be saying and reminding him, hey,
come backer, you got the easy out at first. I mean,
this is all baseball one oh one. It's not hindsight.
It's just baseball one oh one. Get the out of first,
that's all. You don't have to try to, you know,
because to play at home, I know you're gonna get
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a force, but you still got to make sure you
get the right throw. I was surprised Kim didn't slide
because I would have gone in there and made it
even tougher for the catcher, and he didn't. Maybe he
was shocked that they were coming home instead. Of going
to first. But the Dodgers advanced to the NLCS. They'll
wait for the winner of the Brewers and the Cubs.
Speaker 9 (08:56):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, you remember in Little league when the
catcher would go, hey, two outs, plays till wherever plays
the first. That's probably what they should have done, because
he knew right then and there. I think he got
caught up in he saw the runner going home as
soon as he bobbled the ball. That was the first thing.
He bobbled the ball, and he looked up and he panicked,
and he saw the guy ready to score. I don't
even think he was looking towards first base attle or
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the catcher.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Well, you know in that kind of I guess situation
where you're thinking, boy, if he scores, then we lose. Well,
his run doesn't count if you get the out at first.
And that's where you just remind, you remind that's all.
I mean. That's why there's a scoreboard out there that
tells you how many outs. But what happens, you know,
you get one out and shortstop and go all right,
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one down, one down, you know, everybody holding up two down,
two down. I was just surprised that, and maybe they
did that. Hey, the easy out go to first, that's
where we want to go.
Speaker 10 (09:51):
Well, yeah, as soon as you bobble that ball, everything
he just said went out the window. Yes, as soon
as you bobble the ball, he panicked and through the
ball to the wrong place, even looking at his catcher.
Speaker 9 (10:02):
Who was pointing to first.
Speaker 10 (10:03):
He's still threw it at the catcher because you panic.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, Paulin.
Speaker 11 (10:07):
And the most cruel thing about baseball is he's standing
there on the mound after the play and the Dodgers
are celebrating around him. He can't escape. He's got to
walk off casually.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
That's tough.
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What's poll question for the first hour of the program,
Worst Night Phillies Eagles. Well, Philly's because the season's over.
Speaker 10 (10:43):
Yeah, but the Eagles got cooked by a horrible Giants
team rival.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, that's but terrible. The Eagles don't have to reinvent themselves.
They have to rediscover themselves, and I think they've kind
of lost who they are. What's their identity? You're throwing
the ball an awful lot. You went away from Saquon
Barkley in the second half of the game. And I
give the Giants credit. They played and like this game
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really meant something to them. Playing at home. Jackson Dark
played well, the defense played well, but I would say
the Phillies because the season is over. The Eagles we
got a long way to go.
Speaker 10 (11:21):
Yeah, Saquan opened the game just ripping off two monster runs.
It's like, Okay, here we go. This is going to
be the game plan for to do this. You know,
lather rints repeat for the rest of the night, and
you you're walking away with an easy dub here.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
And you know, the Giant situation, that momentum at a
home and I wondered, you know, are they going to
have that home field advantage being a seven point underdog,
And it felt like that. Although I felt bad for
Russell Wilson he came in for one play in the
fans bood. Come on, I'd say you're better than that,
but I don't know if you are. I mean it's
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Russ is not going in there to try to face
the ball was tipped that he threw, and then you know,
you boo him.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
What are you bulling him for?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
What the heck?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I don't know. I don't know, but but you have
something with Jackson Dark. He at least keeps them interesting,
keeps them relevant. That that he is a watchable performer.
And Skataboo is not afraid of anybody. You know, I
don't know if he's going to be a good running back,
but boy, he he runs like you just said something
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about his family. He's he's going after he runs angry.
It's it's like somebody's gonna hurt This is gonna hurt me,
but it's going to hurt you more. And that's when
when I watch him, there's a combination of Marshawn Lynch
and Larry Zonka when I when I watch him, it's
I'm taking on contact and this is going to hurt
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you more than it's going to hurt me.
Speaker 11 (12:48):
Yeah, Paul, I'm looking at Skataboo's draft profile five nine
and a half two hundred and twenty pounds, and the
only criticisms were breakaway speed, cutting ability, the basics, but
they include that he runs like a maniac. He actually
says maniac.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Da sorry, sorry, ahead, yah, go ahead.
Speaker 10 (13:05):
The Giants do kind of have something with that tandem,
though they both have for what is essentially like a
swagless team.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (13:13):
Those two fellas have a little bit of it where
it's like, man, we might be able to build around this.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (13:19):
Well, Seaton is referencing the hope Meter, which we unveiled
at this time last year, and right now the New
York Giants are high on the hope meter, not high
on the chance to make the playoffs meter. There's two
different things, hopometer, the hopometer, the hopometer or the hopometer,
whichever the hope meter the hopometer is depending where you're from.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
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of the weekend coming up a little bit later on
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see TV because USC As Michigan, then Notre Dame and
later in the season they have Oregon. So if this
is two thousand and four and USC is four and one,
they're ranked in the top ten. They're not ranked. They're
four and one. That's how far they've fallen and still
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waiting for the end. You have the tough loss at Illinois,
but this is a you better win at home against Michigan,
and then you got Notre Dame at Notre Dame and
a little bit later on Oregon.
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Speaker 2 (15:16):
Devin mccordy, NBC Football Night in America's studio analyst and
three time All Pro won three Super Bowls with the Patriots.
He was on the call last night Eagles Giants Westwood
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It'll be the Lions and the Chiefs. That'll be at
eight twenty eastern. Devin, thanks for joining us. Let's quick
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turnaround from doing the game last night. At what point
did you realize the Giants were going to give the
Eagles everything they could handle.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
I could tell a pregame just walking the field and
talking to different people. You know, the Eagles there was
a sense of, I don't want to say concern, but
they seemed like the team that felt all the pressure.
They were kind of on edge. Whereas when I walked
and talked to some of the Giants people, they.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Weren't concerned about last week's performance.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
They said, dart one interception was in the fourth quarter,
I mean on a fourth down.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
The other one to receiver bowl Collin Stop.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
They were confident, and one of the guys told me,
I think we can get this one and for our team,
we need to get this win, and they played like it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Okay, is this more about the Giants or more about
the Eagles?
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Oh, it's definitely more about the Eagles. The Eagles are
better football team than the Giants. But what you saw
was a team that.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Got out coached and out played last night.
Speaker 8 (16:32):
Brian Dable and Shane Bowen came in with good plans
offensively and defensively, and the Eagles never adjusted. But that's
what we've said the beginning part of this season. There's
no adjustments. They play well for a half and then
it all goals and you get nothing in the second half.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
And the same thing happened last night.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Have you ever tackled somebody like Cam Skataboo.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
I mean, Marshawn Lynch was a guy that, you know,
as crazy as Skataboo, as I still would rather tackle
him than Marshawn Lynch.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
What was it?
Speaker 5 (17:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
At that experience of tackling Marshaun Lynch was like what.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
I'll never forget.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
We're in Super Bowl forty nine and I had to
deal with the linebackers. I'll be there to support him
on any coverage, just so let Marshawn Lynch get to
me untouched.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
And we get to that point in the game.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
He gets to me untouched and I'm in the open
field and we've all seen his highlights of stiff arming people,
juking people, and I'm thinking, just get him to the ground,
and I get it there.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
I hit him.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
My head bounces back, but I tackle him. He stands
up and he just stares at me.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Has his black voji.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
You can't see his eyes, and he puts his hand
out and shakes my hand, almost.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
As if he was in disbelief that I got him down.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
And I was like, you know what, of all things
I've done in life, I can say I tackle marsh.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Listen to open field and be happy about it.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Do you guys practice the Malcolm Butler interception that play.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
Yep, where it was a Friday practice. He wasn't getting
a lot of reps at this point in the season.
He gets in, they run.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Not in the same spot, but it's that same kind
of pick play.
Speaker 8 (18:08):
He gets beat on a touchdown, and anybody that's ever
heard about Bill Belichick, Bill rips him the next day
while we're watching film. So when Malcolm got in, I
think that was the only play he was going to
guard against to stop right.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
There was there any thought that Marshawn Lynch was going
to get this ball.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
There was a lot of thought. We went all goal line,
all big people. We only had three corners on the
field and their job was to stop.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Any kind of pass.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
No help anywhere because everybody else was all elther a.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Guys were playing against the run, but.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
He runs for Was there any thought of letting them
score so Tom could get the ball back with some
time on the clock.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
I know I thought about that because I had played
in Super Bowl forty six where that happened, and we
had a play where we let am Brasshaw score, but
once we didn't call time out on the clock kept
dwindling down. I kind of looked up and was like,
we don't have time to let them score now, because
even if we get the ball back won't be enough
time to win the game.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
So, yeah, it was a lot of thoughts.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
I don't know if other guys was, but I vividly
remember that because of the Super Bowl prior.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
All right, given what happened with the Eagles last night.
Who's the favorite in the NFC?
Speaker 8 (19:18):
I think right now you got to go with Detroit.
I think they're a team coming back from last year.
They've gotten in their groove. It feels like they're playing
better ball. Their coordinators, I think, are settling in and
they're getting to know exactly what this team is going
to be good at and what they're not going to
be good at, and they're playing to it.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
So I would definitely go to Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And I look at the Eagles offense and I'm just
there's a disconnect there. I don't know what it is.
And I mentioned last hour they need to kind of rediscover,
not reinvent anything. But how do you go from having
a they got a great tight end, you got really
good receivers, You've got Saquon Barkley. Maybe the offensive line
still banged up. It's still like accidentally they should be
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ab to score thirty points a game.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
I mean, and danis on both sides of the ball.
I think they've gotten so used to coming out and saying, hey,
good job, we got the best players in the league.
We're just gonna do what we do. And what happens
is when you win a Super Bowl that next year.
All off season, everyone's scouting you to figure out how
to beat you, and you're getting every team's best shot
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and they're not ready for that. If you watch the game,
it's the same routes over and over again, same run plays,
over and over again. Defensively, Jackson Dark scrambles ten or
twelve times. They never change anything. They don't go with
a spy. It's just they think they're gonna figure it out,
and right now they're not figuring it out. And if
they don't, I think this season will continue to go downhill.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Is Tampa second in your power rankings in the NFC?
Speaker 8 (20:50):
I would go Rams, then Tampa, But I like Baker Mayfel,
I like what the Bucks are doing.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
My top four would probably be the Rams, Tampa and.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
See, wait, Philadelphia is not in your top four.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
I wouldn't say right now, not the way they're planning.
My issue with Philly.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Right now is three guys on your team have a meeting.
Three guys. Why are we talking about in the media.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
I actually thought the way AJ Brown answered the question
after the game was the right way. I don't know
what meeting y'all are talking about. If we talk, we
don't need to discuss that.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
We even had that conversation.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
So they have a lot going on from an X
and O standpoint, But even outside of that, in the
locker room between the players and the coaches, it seems
like they got to fix some things.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I'm talking to Devin mccordy won three Super Bowls with
the Patriots, But that next year, when you guys won
Super Bowls, how did you hit the reset button or
you know, try to fight off what the Eagles are
going through.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, it was the guys in the locker room.
Speaker 8 (21:51):
It was if we did have to have a conversation,
we all knew and a lot of that came from
our head coach of whatever is discussed, whatever we're going
through internally, we don't need to go and talk about it.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I mean the super Bowl, our first won was super
Bowl forty nine. The flaygate was the hottest topic. Is
what everyone wanted to talk about.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
If you go back and you listen to all our interviews,
none of us are diving into the balls being deflated
or what this means. It was We're focused on Seattle,
We're focused on trying to win a Super Bowl, and
I think that's all they need to do. But I
think they need to trust all the guys in that
building that they have the best guys to go win
another super Bowl, And I don't know if they feel
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that way. Lane Johnson after the game were too predictable,
Sakwon Barkley says, We're not too predictable.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
So like you have all of these.
Speaker 8 (22:37):
Different kind of versions of what's going on, and no
one's kind of working together as symmetry.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
The Chiefs are the Lions coming up this weekend? How
big is this game for the Chiefs? You're at home
and you're still scuffling a little bit here in Detroit's
coming to town.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Yeah, I mean for the Chiefs, there's an excitement because
the last two weeks, this offense has looked like what
we've seen in the past, a lot of creativity, getting
the ball of different guys in space.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
But on the other hand, the games you've.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
Lost, it feels like your best players have been the
ones that have cast you. Whether it's Kelsey's drop against
the Eagles, whether it's Chris Jones going inside against the Chargers,
or this last game him not you know, finishing the player.
Dan Harrison Bunker kicking the ball out of bounds. So
I think for the Chiefs, they're like, how can we
put together a complete game with all our top players
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and everybody on the same page. How can we do
that week after week after week? We did it against Baltimore,
but then Jacksonville we have a couple of plays that
we let slip through our hands. What better way than
to go against the Detroit Lions team that was gonna
come and try to punch you in the face for
four quarters of trying to go and do it. I
think that's what championship teams do. If the if the
Chiefs want to stay.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
That way, what's it like when you're out and somebody's
really fast and you're and you have man cup, You're
you're gonna have help, But what you know, Xavier Worthy,
it just kind of reinvigorate to the Chiefs offense. But
there are guys who are fast and then they are
guys who are really fast the difference.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Let's just stick with it.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Yeah, yeah, let's stick with the Chiefs against playing against
Tyreek Hill all of those years, and a lot of
it had to do with, hey, he's really fast. We're
gonna put two guys on him twenty eighteen in the
AFC Championship, he had one catch for forty two yards because.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
We double team them the whole game.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
We had a guy outside, we had a guy inside,
a guy short, a guy deep, And it's understanding not
only that he's fast, but how the offense uses him.
Where's the Xavier Worthy lines up? Is he in the slot?
Is he outside?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Is he off the ball? Is he on the ball?
Speaker 8 (24:39):
And then, knowing from your film study, how do they
get him the ball depending on where he's at. You
have to know those things if you want to have
some kind of advantage, especially when a guy's that fast,
he's gonna kill you athletically, you've got to be able
to match it mentally, to slow it down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
How close are you watching what's going on with Belichick
at North Caro?
Speaker 8 (25:01):
I actually, I actually just had a conversation with one
of my guys that are there and said they were
kind of caught off guard. Yes, that the game Saturday
didn't go well, But for what I was told was they.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Had a conversation.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Bill talked in the locker room to the team and
everyone walked away went like, man, it didn't go our way,
But what coach the message he just delivered there's some
hope going forward in this season. And that was Saturday
after the game, and then Monday, they just felt like
everything just hit him like a ton of bricks with
all of these articles and stories coming out, and that
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one person told me there's no divide in the locker room.
There's no questions about whether Bill wants to be there
or not. So it's very confusing. And we laughed because
being in New England we saw so many different things,
and he said, I never imagine coming to u NC,
we get more coverage, more talked about, and more scrutinizing
any time, really being in New England. So it was
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just a lot going on.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Over there right now.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And you probably have a lot of people rooting against Bill,
and you know, and we start to pile on it happens.
We build you up and then we tear you down,
and you know, it feels like they're not giving him
enough time. I guess we expected results because they labeled
themselves to thirty third team, so that's high expectations that
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you come here and you'll be going to the NFL.
And maybe that's it that they're losing it's the way
they're losing, not that they're losing.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
And I've been around coach Belichick for a long time.
He knows, and I'm sure he's telling that staff we
either win or we get fired. And he used to
preach that to us as a team. He used to
say as a coach, every day I come here, I'm
on an interview. If I don't perform, I'm going to
get fired. And it's the same thing for the players
when he was in NFL. If you don't do your job,
we get you out of here.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
We find somebody else.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
So even though I think, like you said, a lot
of people are rooting against them, they also know they
got to win some football games and they got to
be competitive or in this landscape, whether college or pro,
they get you out of there and they replace you
as soon.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
As that happens.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Great to talk to you. Thanks for joining us. We
appreciate it, Devin. Have a good weekend you too, Dan.
Good talking to you, Devin mccordy.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
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Speaker 2 (27:27):
The situation with Bill Belichick at North Carolina. Pat Welter
has done a wonderful job. He's all over this story.
He's a sports anchor wr LTV in Raleigh, North Carolina. Pat,
how would you sum up what's happened the last couple
of days here with Bill Belichick and North Carolina football.
Speaker 14 (27:46):
Yeah, Dan, it's an honor to be on with you
guys today. Happy birthday to Todd Fritz. And it's been
a whirlwind.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
You know.
Speaker 14 (27:54):
I felt like we were ready to break this story
as recently as Friday, Dan up before the club game,
and we made a decision to wait a couple more days,
and I think that was instrumental in allowing our reporting
to kind of start the avalanche of information that's come out.
You know, I was able to speak to a lot
of sources at the Clemson game, and that's when I
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really knew I had something. Dan was when there was
sources I've had relationships with for years on this story,
but when I was just walking around meeting people with
direct knowledge of the program that I had no relationship with,
and they were immediately volunteering information to me, things like
from a parent, my son has no idea what's going on.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
It is a complete mess.
Speaker 14 (28:40):
So that's what we've reported, and we're seeing the fallout
of it since, and we're seeing you and C make
direct action after some of the things that have come out.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Okay, but where are we today with this story?
Speaker 14 (28:53):
So yesterday, kind of the development was we're coming off
the statement. Right, we have this statement that comes out
late the night prior, and it's very brief, and it
comes from Bubba Cunningham and it comes from Bill Belichick,
basically saying Belichick's committed to UNC football and UNC athletics
is committed to him. And this was on the heels
and based on conversations I had yesterday with sources multiple
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levels UNC decision makers. They wanted to call them the noise,
they wanted to call them what they referred to as rumors.
And those rumors were related to two four seven Tar
Hill Sports report about there being exit strategy conversations and
other reports of Bill Belichick looking to triggering his own contract. Now,
I spent basic all day on the phones trying to
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run this down, and.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I think it's clear.
Speaker 14 (29:40):
I think it's important to note that I was told
by multiple levels of UNC decision makers and my colleague
Brian Murphy that there were no exit strategy conversations, that
there were no conversations of Bill triggering his own buyout.
But I have to acknowledge right that that does not
mean necessarily that that did not happen. Like I'm not
in those rooms. These are what these people are telling me.
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They're all telling me the same thing. So there's an
obligation I think to report it in fairness, But I
think you also have to acknowledge there's a gap there.
We can only know so much, and I respect Andrew
Jones who had that report, So I think you have
to just take the information and sort it out with
what you know and what you.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Want to believe. Is Bill Belichick coaching North Carolina against
Cal a week from Saturday.
Speaker 14 (30:27):
I can't tell you. I can't tell you. I just
know that this is escalated day by day, and I
would say hour by hour to be quite literally, Dan,
minute by minute, I'll tell you. This morning, I sent
an email to unc Athletics trying to get confirmation of
a player to see if he was still with the program.
(30:47):
An hour later, the player I asked about has a
graphic ready to go on social media. This just broke
from running back Caleb Hood. After much thought, prayer and
discussion with my family, I've decided to retire from football.
Earn it. You and c has been special and I
appreciate my time here. You could look on social media
if you want to see that full statement. That is
the player I asked about because of a tip that
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I got there. Ironic in a way, Dan, because this season,
if you remember that first game versus TCU, there was
that one moment where everyone all the hype, all the buzz,
which was so real, right, this was incredible. Carolina drives
down their first possession of the season, Caleb Hood scores
the touchdown, the place goes bonkers. Skip Bayless had some
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tweet about it being amazing. I know, I was like,
this guy's Nick Saban. I'm like, he's gonna do it.
They're doing it, you know, and it has been downhill
ever since. And it's fitting poetry that I think now
Caleb Hood, after this week, is leaving the program, and
obviously I'm gonna look into more as to why, but
I think just kind of that paints a picture for
you where we're at.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I don't know what role the media played in this
the national media in hyping this up. It's bebblecheck. It's
North Carolina, it's the ACC, it's not the SEC or
the Big Ten. Certainly win more than Mac Brown does.
When Mac would win six games, occasionally he'd win, you know,
a few more go to a Bowl game there. But
I locally, did you guys have the same expectations as
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maybe the national media had on Bill Belichick.
Speaker 14 (32:15):
Yeah, we're We're all complicit in this in a way, right,
And I really don't fault My point of my story
was never to fault the people that decided to hire
Bill Belichick. I think you could certainly make an argument
they should have vetted this more right, because they have
access to that information that nobody else has during their
hiring process. But yeah, I think we're all part of
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the hype, you know, And how could you not be?
This is an incredible story. This is the story of
my lifetime. It's certainly the biggest thing I've ever covered.
And I grew up in New England. I'm from Londonderry,
New Hampshire. As a student at Emerson College, I got
to go to the Super Bowl versus the Giants. I
asked Bill Belichick a question at the Super Bowl, and
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then for me to come to Carol and then for
him to end up here and I'm covering him breaking
news about his hiring process after mac Brown was fired
around Thanksgiving, which is really when this all started for me.
It's been a trip, so I think, you know, I've
tried to just kind of I tell people, I'm trying
to bring the same energy and the same passion and
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same discipline reporting that I did to the hiring process
that I did to the excitement into the fund and
what I'm doing right now to I guess if you
want to call it downfall, but there's no agenda here.
I'm just trying to tell people what I know. I've
been covering this team for four plus years. I know
a lot of people, and people are very very upset.
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And when you look at the results on the field,
when you're going to be the highest paid employee in
the state and you're going to be one of the
worst teams in all of college football, that's not me
saying that, Dan. That is statistical fact, completely uncompetitive in
Power four games, one hundred and twenty to thirty three
is the scoring differential. People deserve to know what's going
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on and why? And I think are reporting a shed
a light on that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
If I gave athletic department a do over and you
keep Mac Brown, what would they do?
Speaker 14 (34:11):
I think, Mack bro I think really it's diametric, right,
the difference between Mac Brown and Bill Belichick. And in
some ways that's what they were seeking, because you know,
Mac Brown came here second stint in Chapel Hill, so
respected national champion University of Texas has had some of
the best seasons Carolina football has ever seen, means a
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lot to this state, means a lot of this community.
And he treated people as such, and he welcomed the
media as such. But I think if you were going
to criticize him, you look at the downfall of mac
Brown was James Madison last year where they gave up
seventy points inexplicable. Then they go on the road loose
to Boston College and if I'm allowed to say, a
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kind of uninspired performance at a minimum, and that was
the nail in the coffin for mac Brown in his
time here. And you know, it was honestly probably time
to move on. They had tapped out, So what they
wanted to do was take another step. Everybody knows, like
in the world of conference realignment, you have to be
all in on football. You can't be just a basketball school.
So everything for Carolina was well intentioned in bringing Bill
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Belichick in. It's just has gone spectacularly wrong in ways
that I don't know that anyone really could have foreseen.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Does Belichick have any media availability coming up aside from
game days.
Speaker 14 (35:28):
Yeah, It's been both convenient for him and maybe convenient
for us reporting on this as well. That this came
as a bye week and it was a bye week
before Clemson as well. And I think that's allowed me
to do a lot of work because, like I've been
working on this since the spring Daan like that's when
the tip came in, and I've been just running this
down until I thought I had it. He has of
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media availability on Monday, I'm going to go that's going
to be an interesting experience for me. I'm certainly going
to try to ask a question. You know, I've been
coreating with U and C trying to work with them
throughout this. When I have information, I'm not breaking it
until I run it by them for a chance to respond,
and we're working on that right now.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
We have a story that we were.
Speaker 14 (36:12):
Ready to break yesterday. And just to give you an
example of how strange this is, Dan, I am at
the point now where I can't even assume the people
I am texting and calling are the people that they
say to be. That's all I can say. But at
this point now, like I am questioning, like that's not
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the level we are at. Because inside the building in Carolina,
they know there's a leak. They are trying to find it.
And I am kind of ears and eyes wide open
to really everything and anything at this point. But I
can tell you that our reporting directly led to the
suspension of assistant football coach Armand Hawkins, and our continued
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prying into that story led to the statement and the
official confirmation from U and C on his suspension yesterday afternoon.
And there's a key piece in their statement that they
say he will remain on leave as the Department of
Thoughttholetics further investigates other potential actions detrimental to the team university.
Those are what we are looking into. So that's all
(37:16):
I can share at this moment. But I think you
have something. There's more stories to come.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Okay, good luck with that and trust your gut, trust
your instincts, but man, you know, nail it down. Yeah,
nail it down because the this is serious stuff. But
that's why we do this. When you get these opportunities,
go for it.
Speaker 14 (37:37):
Yes, sir, I appreciate that, and uh, this means a
lot being on here with you.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
You're one of.
Speaker 14 (37:41):
The reasons I do this.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I really appreciate the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Thank you, Pat, good luck. That's Pat Welter w r
A l TV sports anchor Raleigh, North Carolina.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We did it. It was a group effort. We made
it to a Friday, and yes it is a meet Friday.
The sun is out, morale is high, and the triggers
are on. They're heating up. We have Dominican style roast
pork shoulder, we have rice and beans. We have Baja
fish tacos. Who has it better than we do? No
(00:28):
Lody body. The big story the Giant's upsetting the Eagles.
Three touchdowns for Cam Skataboo. And I go back to
the draft. Now, if you follow the show, you know
that I was high on Jackson Dark. My source said
that he had a first first round great on him.
I got to see him probably play three or four
full games at Ole Miss, and I liked what I saw.
(00:51):
He had mobility, and you're playing for Lane Kiffin. Lane
Kiffin is a offensive minded head coach. He certainly has
a lot of swagger at that position. Transfer in from
USC and then Cam Skataboo, who we got to see
kind of late in his career and you got to
see something that we thought was really special, different, interesting,
(01:13):
But I didn't know if he was going to be
maybe too slow or too limited to play at this level.
I do know if the ball's on the one or
two yard line, I know who's getting it. But with
Jalen Carter not in there, last night, they ran right
up the middle and Scataboo had three touchdowns. By the way,
the last Giant to have three touchdowns in a game
(01:36):
Saquon Barkley. That was also in his rookie season. But surprise, surprise,
and you know you're seeing something. And granted it's the
embryonic stages here with the Giants, but we talked about this.
They were going to stay with Russell, and they were
going to stay with him for maybe a month, and
then you were going to ease into Jackson Dart because
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if you ease into Jackson Dart, now, if you have success,
if ownership looks at this and says, maybe we have
something here, let's not make a change at the head coach,
coaching position or the GM and that might be what
happened or happens. I know that when we looked at Russ,
I thought maybe they were gonna play Russ longer than
they should. But maybe they thought we got to win games,
(02:19):
because if we don't win games. With this schedule, we
won't make it to the second half of the season.
Now you have something interesting there and maybe maybe Jackson
Dart will save Brian Daball's career. Also Joe Shane the
GM And maybe they were reaches, you know, maybe it
was a reach in the first round for Jackson Dart,
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maybe Cam Scautaboo of fourth round draft pick. You weren't
quite sure. But you have hope. And they don't have
any weapons on offense. I mean, I'm looking at the
wide receivers and I go, huh who. But they somehow
made something happen last night. And the only thing that
I would say is, Jackson Dart, I love your mobility,
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but I want you to continue to have mobility. Slide.
Don't take on DBS. Nobody cares. You don't have to
be a tough guy. Slide slide because all it takes
is you. And you got nicked up and they put
him in the concussion tent. But that's where Brian Dabele,
the head coach, is right outside. It's almost like, come on,
(03:25):
let's go, you're good, come on, here we go. And
all of a sudden, Jackson Dart comes back out and
it's like, Okay, I guess he passed a concussion protocol.
But his head coach, Brian Dable, talked about Jackson Dart's performance.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Good team win.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
That's a division team on the road or at home,
should I say home? Crowd was awesome, but we got
to give him a reason to be awesome too. So
another good game by a rookie quarterback, but another good
game from everybody around him. And that's where we need it.
You know, it's not about one guy, it's about a team.
Two turnovers on defense, very good third down execution on offense,
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rand the ball well, finish the game. It's good to
have a young leader like Dart.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Okay, maybe a little more emotion, a little more enthusiasm there, Brian,
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to watch. And here is the final call of the
Dodgers moving on to the NLCS. Heart rates through the room,
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the O one pitch, PAHs grounds it.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Back to Kirky. He can't find it.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
He does Home's what Tim scores, and the Dodgers are
going to the Championship Series. Fire Works go off in
center field. The Dodgers celebrate your first base on a
dround ball back to the pitcher. Andy Potz somehow gets
(05:20):
the job done.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's courtesy of a five seventy only sports Dodgers radio network.
So you got bases loaded to come back to back
or to crookering and he is looking to make a
play at home and he doesn't have to. He can
go to first and get the out. But he pauses
and it's almost as if he took his eye off
the ball and the glove, you know, his glove and
the batter, and he got lost. He got caught in
(05:46):
no man's land. Kim scores. Kim actually missed home plate
and then came back and touched home plate. But a
while and we were talking about the worst way to lose,
and it's a walk off air and that's what happened.
Here is Bob Thompson, the Phillies manager, on what he
said to his pitcher after the loss.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Rob obviously a heartbreaking way to lose.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Quickly had a long conversation with Oryan coming off the field.
Do you want to share little what you told him?
Just to keep his heat up? And he just got
caught up in the moment a little bit coming down
the stretcher.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
He pitched so well for us.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
I feel for him because he's he's putting it all
on his shoulders. But we went as a team and
we lose as a teams.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I couldn't help but think of spring training because if
you've ever gone to spring training and you get there early,
not for a game, but just when they're doing drills.
One of the first drills you do is that you
have a comebacker to the picture and then he throws
to first base. I mean, these are really menial task
that you're doing as a pitcher. It's like, okay, you
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got it, comebacker, and then you throw over to first base,
and then the next picture comes in, the next picture
comes in. It's all just everybody's doing the same repetition here,
and you know, you kind of put yourself on automatic
pilot until you're in a moment when the season is
on the line and a comebacker. And really you were
prepared to make the play at first base because your
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body was squared up to home plate to get the ball.
You don't have to try to get the play at
the at home plate, get the out at first base,
had plenty of time to do so. But in these moments,
and I don't know if somebody says, hey, if it
comes back to you, you got the easy out at
first base. These are little things. And your catcher is
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pointing to first base like that's the play, and then
he throws home and the catcher is you know, it
was wide. He had no chance there, but your catcher
is going throw it first, and all of a sudden
he's throwing at home and then it was too late.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
Yes, ton as unforgivable as it may seem. And you
learn that in the little league and all that kind
of stuff. In the moment, in your preferal vision, when
the season and the it's all on the line and
you see that runner right in front of you coming home,
I can in.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
That's what second.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
And I can understand, like, I gotta get this right,
it's right.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
In front of me.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
I gotta flip it to the catcher for the tag.
And that's just you know, he deserves the criticism and
it sucks at this season ended like that. But I
can understand somehow that you thought, let me get him
at home. I'm not sure if I could make the
throw at first, how far down the runner is, and
I got this right.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
In front of me.
Speaker 8 (08:17):
Happened?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
If the catcher's pointing to first base, that's your indicator.
But the catcher should be saying and reminding him, hey,
come backer, you got the easy out at first. I mean,
this is all baseball one oh one. It's not hindsight.
It's just baseball one oh one. Get the out of first,
that's all. You don't have to try to, you know,
because to play at home, I know you're gonna get
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a force, but you still got to make sure you
get the right throw. I was surprised Kim didn't slide
because I would have gone in there and made it
even tougher for the catcher, and he didn't. Maybe he
was shocked that they were coming home instead. Of going
to first. But the Dodgers advanced to the NLCS. They'll
wait for the winner of the Brewers and the Cubs.
Speaker 9 (08:56):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, you remember in Little league when the
catcher would go, hey, two outs, plays till wherever plays
the first. That's probably what they should have done, because
he knew right then and there. I think he got
caught up in he saw the runner going home as
soon as he bobbled the ball. That was the first thing.
He bobbled the ball, and he looked up and he panicked,
and he saw the guy ready to score. I don't
even think he was looking towards first base attle or
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the catcher.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Well, you know in that kind of I guess situation
where you're thinking, boy, if he scores, then we lose. Well,
his run doesn't count if you get the out at first.
And that's where you just remind, you remind that's all.
I mean. That's why there's a scoreboard out there that
tells you how many outs. But what happens, you know,
you get one out and shortstop and go all right,
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one down, one down, you know, everybody holding up two down,
two down. I was just surprised that, and maybe they
did that. Hey, the easy out go to first, that's
where we want to go.
Speaker 10 (09:51):
Well, yeah, as soon as you bobble that ball, everything
he just said went out the window. Yes, as soon
as you bobble the ball, he panicked and through the
ball to the wrong place, even looking at his catcher.
Speaker 9 (10:02):
Who was pointing to first.
Speaker 10 (10:03):
He's still threw it at the catcher because you panic.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, Paulin.
Speaker 11 (10:07):
And the most cruel thing about baseball is he's standing
there on the mound after the play and the Dodgers
are celebrating around him. He can't escape. He's got to
walk off casually.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
That's tough.
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What's poll question for the first hour of the program,
Worst Night Phillies Eagles. Well, Philly's because the season's over.
Speaker 10 (10:43):
Yeah, but the Eagles got cooked by a horrible Giants
team rival.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, that's but terrible. The Eagles don't have to reinvent themselves.
They have to rediscover themselves, and I think they've kind
of lost who they are. What's their identity? You're throwing
the ball an awful lot. You went away from Saquon
Barkley in the second half of the game. And I
give the Giants credit. They played and like this game
(11:08):
really meant something to them. Playing at home. Jackson Dark
played well, the defense played well, but I would say
the Phillies because the season is over. The Eagles we
got a long way to go.
Speaker 10 (11:21):
Yeah, Saquan opened the game just ripping off two monster runs.
It's like, Okay, here we go. This is going to
be the game plan for to do this. You know,
lather rints repeat for the rest of the night, and
you you're walking away with an easy dub here.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
And you know, the Giant situation, that momentum at a
home and I wondered, you know, are they going to
have that home field advantage being a seven point underdog,
And it felt like that. Although I felt bad for
Russell Wilson he came in for one play in the
fans bood. Come on, I'd say you're better than that,
but I don't know if you are. I mean it's
(11:57):
Russ is not going in there to try to face
the ball was tipped that he threw, and then you know,
you boo him.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
What are you bulling him for?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
What the heck?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I don't know. I don't know, but but you have
something with Jackson Dark. He at least keeps them interesting,
keeps them relevant. That that he is a watchable performer.
And Skataboo is not afraid of anybody. You know, I
don't know if he's going to be a good running back,
but boy, he he runs like you just said something
(12:25):
about his family. He's he's going after he runs angry.
It's it's like somebody's gonna hurt This is gonna hurt me,
but it's going to hurt you more. And that's when
when I watch him, there's a combination of Marshawn Lynch
and Larry Zonka when I when I watch him, it's
I'm taking on contact and this is going to hurt
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you more than it's going to hurt me.
Speaker 11 (12:48):
Yeah, Paul, I'm looking at Skataboo's draft profile five nine
and a half two hundred and twenty pounds, and the
only criticisms were breakaway speed, cutting ability, the basics, but
they include that he runs like a maniac. He actually
says maniac.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Da sorry, sorry, ahead, yah, go ahead.
Speaker 10 (13:05):
The Giants do kind of have something with that tandem,
though they both have for what is essentially like a
swagless team.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (13:13):
Those two fellas have a little bit of it where
it's like, man, we might be able to build around this.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (13:19):
Well, Seaton is referencing the hope Meter, which we unveiled
at this time last year, and right now the New
York Giants are high on the hope meter, not high
on the chance to make the playoffs meter. There's two
different things, hopometer, the hopometer, the hopometer or the hopometer,
whichever the hope meter the hopometer is depending where you're from.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
By the way, we'll have the most must win game
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see TV because USC As Michigan, then Notre Dame and
later in the season they have Oregon. So if this
is two thousand and four and USC is four and one,
they're ranked in the top ten. They're not ranked. They're
four and one. That's how far they've fallen and still
(14:18):
waiting for the end. You have the tough loss at Illinois,
but this is a you better win at home against Michigan,
and then you got Notre Dame at Notre Dame and
a little bit later on Oregon.
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Speaker 2 (15:16):
Devin mccordy, NBC Football Night in America's studio analyst and
three time All Pro won three Super Bowls with the Patriots.
He was on the call last night Eagles Giants Westwood
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It'll be the Lions and the Chiefs. That'll be at
eight twenty eastern. Devin, thanks for joining us. Let's quick
(15:38):
turnaround from doing the game last night. At what point
did you realize the Giants were going to give the
Eagles everything they could handle.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
I could tell a pregame just walking the field and
talking to different people. You know, the Eagles there was
a sense of, I don't want to say concern, but
they seemed like the team that felt all the pressure.
They were kind of on edge. Whereas when I walked
and talked to some of the Giants people, they.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Weren't concerned about last week's performance.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
They said, dart one interception was in the fourth quarter,
I mean on a fourth down.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
The other one to receiver bowl Collin Stop.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
They were confident, and one of the guys told me,
I think we can get this one and for our team,
we need to get this win, and they played like it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Okay, is this more about the Giants or more about
the Eagles?
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Oh, it's definitely more about the Eagles. The Eagles are
better football team than the Giants. But what you saw
was a team that.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Got out coached and out played last night.
Speaker 8 (16:32):
Brian Dable and Shane Bowen came in with good plans
offensively and defensively, and the Eagles never adjusted. But that's
what we've said the beginning part of this season. There's
no adjustments. They play well for a half and then
it all goals and you get nothing in the second half.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
And the same thing happened last night.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Have you ever tackled somebody like Cam Skataboo.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
I mean, Marshawn Lynch was a guy that, you know,
as crazy as Skataboo, as I still would rather tackle
him than Marshawn Lynch.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
What was it?
Speaker 5 (17:04):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
At that experience of tackling Marshaun Lynch was like what.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
I'll never forget.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
We're in Super Bowl forty nine and I had to
deal with the linebackers. I'll be there to support him
on any coverage, just so let Marshawn Lynch get to
me untouched.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
And we get to that point in the game.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
He gets to me untouched and I'm in the open
field and we've all seen his highlights of stiff arming people,
juking people, and I'm thinking, just get him to the ground,
and I get it there.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
I hit him.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
My head bounces back, but I tackle him. He stands
up and he just stares at me.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Has his black voji.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
You can't see his eyes, and he puts his hand
out and shakes my hand, almost.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
As if he was in disbelief that I got him down.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
And I was like, you know what, of all things
I've done in life, I can say I tackle marsh.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Listen to open field and be happy about it.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Do you guys practice the Malcolm Butler interception that play.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
Yep, where it was a Friday practice. He wasn't getting
a lot of reps at this point in the season.
He gets in, they run.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Not in the same spot, but it's that same kind
of pick play.
Speaker 8 (18:08):
He gets beat on a touchdown, and anybody that's ever
heard about Bill Belichick, Bill rips him the next day
while we're watching film. So when Malcolm got in, I
think that was the only play he was going to
guard against to stop right.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
There was there any thought that Marshawn Lynch was going
to get this ball.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
There was a lot of thought. We went all goal line,
all big people. We only had three corners on the
field and their job was to stop.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Any kind of pass.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
No help anywhere because everybody else was all elther a.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Guys were playing against the run, but.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
He runs for Was there any thought of letting them
score so Tom could get the ball back with some
time on the clock.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
I know I thought about that because I had played
in Super Bowl forty six where that happened, and we
had a play where we let am Brasshaw score, but
once we didn't call time out on the clock kept
dwindling down. I kind of looked up and was like,
we don't have time to let them score now, because
even if we get the ball back won't be enough
time to win the game.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
So, yeah, it was a lot of thoughts.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
I don't know if other guys was, but I vividly
remember that because of the Super Bowl prior.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
All right, given what happened with the Eagles last night.
Who's the favorite in the NFC?
Speaker 8 (19:18):
I think right now you got to go with Detroit.
I think they're a team coming back from last year.
They've gotten in their groove. It feels like they're playing
better ball. Their coordinators, I think, are settling in and
they're getting to know exactly what this team is going
to be good at and what they're not going to
be good at, and they're playing to it.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
So I would definitely go to Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And I look at the Eagles offense and I'm just
there's a disconnect there. I don't know what it is.
And I mentioned last hour they need to kind of rediscover,
not reinvent anything. But how do you go from having
a they got a great tight end, you got really
good receivers, You've got Saquon Barkley. Maybe the offensive line
still banged up. It's still like accidentally they should be
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ab to score thirty points a game.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
I mean, and danis on both sides of the ball.
I think they've gotten so used to coming out and saying, hey,
good job, we got the best players in the league.
We're just gonna do what we do. And what happens
is when you win a Super Bowl that next year.
All off season, everyone's scouting you to figure out how
to beat you, and you're getting every team's best shot
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and they're not ready for that. If you watch the game,
it's the same routes over and over again, same run plays,
over and over again. Defensively, Jackson Dark scrambles ten or
twelve times. They never change anything. They don't go with
a spy. It's just they think they're gonna figure it out,
and right now they're not figuring it out. And if
they don't, I think this season will continue to go downhill.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Is Tampa second in your power rankings in the NFC?
Speaker 8 (20:50):
I would go Rams, then Tampa, But I like Baker Mayfel,
I like what the Bucks are doing.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
My top four would probably be the Rams, Tampa and.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
See, wait, Philadelphia is not in your top four.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
I wouldn't say right now, not the way they're planning.
My issue with Philly.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Right now is three guys on your team have a meeting.
Three guys. Why are we talking about in the media.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
I actually thought the way AJ Brown answered the question
after the game was the right way. I don't know
what meeting y'all are talking about. If we talk, we
don't need to discuss that.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
We even had that conversation.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
So they have a lot going on from an X
and O standpoint, But even outside of that, in the
locker room between the players and the coaches, it seems
like they got to fix some things.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I'm talking to Devin mccordy won three Super Bowls with
the Patriots, But that next year, when you guys won
Super Bowls, how did you hit the reset button or
you know, try to fight off what the Eagles are
going through.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, it was the guys in the locker room.
Speaker 8 (21:51):
It was if we did have to have a conversation,
we all knew and a lot of that came from
our head coach of whatever is discussed, whatever we're going
through internally, we don't need to go and talk about it.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I mean the super Bowl, our first won was super
Bowl forty nine. The flaygate was the hottest topic. Is
what everyone wanted to talk about.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
If you go back and you listen to all our interviews,
none of us are diving into the balls being deflated
or what this means. It was We're focused on Seattle,
We're focused on trying to win a Super Bowl, and
I think that's all they need to do. But I
think they need to trust all the guys in that
building that they have the best guys to go win
another super Bowl, And I don't know if they feel
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that way. Lane Johnson after the game were too predictable,
Sakwon Barkley says, We're not too predictable.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
So like you have all of these.
Speaker 8 (22:37):
Different kind of versions of what's going on, and no
one's kind of working together as symmetry.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
The Chiefs are the Lions coming up this weekend? How
big is this game for the Chiefs? You're at home
and you're still scuffling a little bit here in Detroit's
coming to town.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Yeah, I mean for the Chiefs, there's an excitement because
the last two weeks, this offense has looked like what
we've seen in the past, a lot of creativity, getting
the ball of different guys in space.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
But on the other hand, the games you've.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
Lost, it feels like your best players have been the
ones that have cast you. Whether it's Kelsey's drop against
the Eagles, whether it's Chris Jones going inside against the Chargers,
or this last game him not you know, finishing the player.
Dan Harrison Bunker kicking the ball out of bounds. So
I think for the Chiefs, they're like, how can we
put together a complete game with all our top players
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and everybody on the same page. How can we do
that week after week after week? We did it against Baltimore,
but then Jacksonville we have a couple of plays that
we let slip through our hands. What better way than
to go against the Detroit Lions team that was gonna
come and try to punch you in the face for
four quarters of trying to go and do it. I
think that's what championship teams do. If the if the
Chiefs want to stay.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
That way, what's it like when you're out and somebody's
really fast and you're and you have man cup, You're
you're gonna have help, But what you know, Xavier Worthy,
it just kind of reinvigorate to the Chiefs offense. But
there are guys who are fast and then they are
guys who are really fast the difference.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Let's just stick with it.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Yeah, yeah, let's stick with the Chiefs against playing against
Tyreek Hill all of those years, and a lot of
it had to do with, hey, he's really fast. We're
gonna put two guys on him twenty eighteen in the
AFC Championship, he had one catch for forty two yards because.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
We double team them the whole game.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
We had a guy outside, we had a guy inside,
a guy short, a guy deep, And it's understanding not
only that he's fast, but how the offense uses him.
Where's the Xavier Worthy lines up? Is he in the slot?
Is he outside?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Is he off the ball? Is he on the ball?
Speaker 8 (24:39):
And then, knowing from your film study, how do they
get him the ball depending on where he's at. You
have to know those things if you want to have
some kind of advantage, especially when a guy's that fast,
he's gonna kill you athletically, you've got to be able
to match it mentally, to slow it down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
How close are you watching what's going on with Belichick
at North Caro?
Speaker 8 (25:01):
I actually, I actually just had a conversation with one
of my guys that are there and said they were
kind of caught off guard. Yes, that the game Saturday
didn't go well, But for what I was told was they.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Had a conversation.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Bill talked in the locker room to the team and
everyone walked away went like, man, it didn't go our way,
But what coach the message he just delivered there's some
hope going forward in this season. And that was Saturday
after the game, and then Monday, they just felt like
everything just hit him like a ton of bricks with
all of these articles and stories coming out, and that
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one person told me there's no divide in the locker room.
There's no questions about whether Bill wants to be there
or not. So it's very confusing. And we laughed because
being in New England we saw so many different things,
and he said, I never imagine coming to u NC,
we get more coverage, more talked about, and more scrutinizing
any time, really being in New England. So it was
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just a lot going on.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Over there right now.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And you probably have a lot of people rooting against Bill,
and you know, and we start to pile on it happens.
We build you up and then we tear you down,
and you know, it feels like they're not giving him
enough time. I guess we expected results because they labeled
themselves to thirty third team, so that's high expectations that
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you come here and you'll be going to the NFL.
And maybe that's it that they're losing it's the way
they're losing, not that they're losing.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
And I've been around coach Belichick for a long time.
He knows, and I'm sure he's telling that staff we
either win or we get fired. And he used to
preach that to us as a team. He used to
say as a coach, every day I come here, I'm
on an interview. If I don't perform, I'm going to
get fired. And it's the same thing for the players
when he was in NFL. If you don't do your job,
we get you out of here.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
We find somebody else.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
So even though I think, like you said, a lot
of people are rooting against them, they also know they
got to win some football games and they got to
be competitive or in this landscape, whether college or pro,
they get you out of there and they replace you
as soon.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
As that happens.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Great to talk to you. Thanks for joining us. We
appreciate it, Devin. Have a good weekend you too, Dan.
Good talking to you, Devin mccordy.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
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Speaker 2 (27:27):
The situation with Bill Belichick at North Carolina. Pat Welter
has done a wonderful job. He's all over this story.
He's a sports anchor wr LTV in Raleigh, North Carolina. Pat,
how would you sum up what's happened the last couple
of days here with Bill Belichick and North Carolina football.
Speaker 14 (27:46):
Yeah, Dan, it's an honor to be on with you
guys today. Happy birthday to Todd Fritz. And it's been
a whirlwind.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
You know.
Speaker 14 (27:54):
I felt like we were ready to break this story
as recently as Friday, Dan up before the club game,
and we made a decision to wait a couple more days,
and I think that was instrumental in allowing our reporting
to kind of start the avalanche of information that's come out.
You know, I was able to speak to a lot
of sources at the Clemson game, and that's when I
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really knew I had something. Dan was when there was
sources I've had relationships with for years on this story,
but when I was just walking around meeting people with
direct knowledge of the program that I had no relationship with,
and they were immediately volunteering information to me, things like
from a parent, my son has no idea what's going on.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
It is a complete mess.
Speaker 14 (28:40):
So that's what we've reported, and we're seeing the fallout
of it since, and we're seeing you and C make
direct action after some of the things that have come out.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Okay, but where are we today with this story?
Speaker 14 (28:53):
So yesterday, kind of the development was we're coming off
the statement. Right, we have this statement that comes out
late the night prior, and it's very brief, and it
comes from Bubba Cunningham and it comes from Bill Belichick,
basically saying Belichick's committed to UNC football and UNC athletics
is committed to him. And this was on the heels
and based on conversations I had yesterday with sources multiple
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levels UNC decision makers. They wanted to call them the noise,
they wanted to call them what they referred to as rumors.
And those rumors were related to two four seven Tar
Hill Sports report about there being exit strategy conversations and
other reports of Bill Belichick looking to triggering his own contract. Now,
I spent basic all day on the phones trying to
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run this down, and.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I think it's clear.
Speaker 14 (29:40):
I think it's important to note that I was told
by multiple levels of UNC decision makers and my colleague
Brian Murphy that there were no exit strategy conversations, that
there were no conversations of Bill triggering his own buyout.
But I have to acknowledge right that that does not
mean necessarily that that did not happen. Like I'm not
in those rooms. These are what these people are telling me.
(30:02):
They're all telling me the same thing. So there's an
obligation I think to report it in fairness, But I
think you also have to acknowledge there's a gap there.
We can only know so much, and I respect Andrew
Jones who had that report, So I think you have
to just take the information and sort it out with
what you know and what you.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Want to believe. Is Bill Belichick coaching North Carolina against
Cal a week from Saturday.
Speaker 14 (30:27):
I can't tell you. I can't tell you. I just
know that this is escalated day by day, and I
would say hour by hour to be quite literally, Dan,
minute by minute, I'll tell you. This morning, I sent
an email to unc Athletics trying to get confirmation of
a player to see if he was still with the program.
(30:47):
An hour later, the player I asked about has a
graphic ready to go on social media. This just broke
from running back Caleb Hood. After much thought, prayer and
discussion with my family, I've decided to retire from football.
Earn it. You and c has been special and I
appreciate my time here. You could look on social media
if you want to see that full statement. That is
the player I asked about because of a tip that
(31:07):
I got there. Ironic in a way, Dan, because this season,
if you remember that first game versus TCU, there was
that one moment where everyone all the hype, all the buzz,
which was so real, right, this was incredible. Carolina drives
down their first possession of the season, Caleb Hood scores
the touchdown, the place goes bonkers. Skip Bayless had some
(31:28):
tweet about it being amazing. I know, I was like,
this guy's Nick Saban. I'm like, he's gonna do it.
They're doing it, you know, and it has been downhill
ever since. And it's fitting poetry that I think now
Caleb Hood, after this week, is leaving the program, and
obviously I'm gonna look into more as to why, but
I think just kind of that paints a picture for
you where we're at.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I don't know what role the media played in this
the national media in hyping this up. It's bebblecheck. It's
North Carolina, it's the ACC, it's not the SEC or
the Big Ten. Certainly win more than Mac Brown does.
When Mac would win six games, occasionally he'd win, you know,
a few more go to a Bowl game there. But
I locally, did you guys have the same expectations as
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maybe the national media had on Bill Belichick.
Speaker 14 (32:15):
Yeah, we're We're all complicit in this in a way, right,
And I really don't fault My point of my story
was never to fault the people that decided to hire
Bill Belichick. I think you could certainly make an argument
they should have vetted this more right, because they have
access to that information that nobody else has during their
hiring process. But yeah, I think we're all part of
(32:38):
the hype, you know, And how could you not be?
This is an incredible story. This is the story of
my lifetime. It's certainly the biggest thing I've ever covered.
And I grew up in New England. I'm from Londonderry,
New Hampshire. As a student at Emerson College, I got
to go to the Super Bowl versus the Giants. I
asked Bill Belichick a question at the Super Bowl, and
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then for me to come to Carol and then for
him to end up here and I'm covering him breaking
news about his hiring process after mac Brown was fired
around Thanksgiving, which is really when this all started for me.
It's been a trip, so I think, you know, I've
tried to just kind of I tell people, I'm trying
to bring the same energy and the same passion and
(33:18):
same discipline reporting that I did to the hiring process
that I did to the excitement into the fund and
what I'm doing right now to I guess if you
want to call it downfall, but there's no agenda here.
I'm just trying to tell people what I know. I've
been covering this team for four plus years. I know
a lot of people, and people are very very upset.
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And when you look at the results on the field,
when you're going to be the highest paid employee in
the state and you're going to be one of the
worst teams in all of college football, that's not me
saying that, Dan. That is statistical fact, completely uncompetitive in
Power four games, one hundred and twenty to thirty three
is the scoring differential. People deserve to know what's going
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on and why? And I think are reporting a shed
a light on that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
If I gave athletic department a do over and you
keep Mac Brown, what would they do?
Speaker 14 (34:11):
I think, Mack bro I think really it's diametric, right,
the difference between Mac Brown and Bill Belichick. And in
some ways that's what they were seeking, because you know,
Mac Brown came here second stint in Chapel Hill, so
respected national champion University of Texas has had some of
the best seasons Carolina football has ever seen, means a
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lot to this state, means a lot of this community.
And he treated people as such, and he welcomed the
media as such. But I think if you were going
to criticize him, you look at the downfall of mac
Brown was James Madison last year where they gave up
seventy points inexplicable. Then they go on the road loose
to Boston College and if I'm allowed to say, a
(34:54):
kind of uninspired performance at a minimum, and that was
the nail in the coffin for mac Brown in his
time here. And you know, it was honestly probably time
to move on. They had tapped out, So what they
wanted to do was take another step. Everybody knows, like
in the world of conference realignment, you have to be
all in on football. You can't be just a basketball school.
So everything for Carolina was well intentioned in bringing Bill
(35:14):
Belichick in. It's just has gone spectacularly wrong in ways
that I don't know that anyone really could have foreseen.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Does Belichick have any media availability coming up aside from
game days.
Speaker 14 (35:28):
Yeah, It's been both convenient for him and maybe convenient
for us reporting on this as well. That this came
as a bye week and it was a bye week
before Clemson as well. And I think that's allowed me
to do a lot of work because, like I've been
working on this since the spring Daan like that's when
the tip came in, and I've been just running this
down until I thought I had it. He has of
(35:49):
media availability on Monday, I'm going to go that's going
to be an interesting experience for me. I'm certainly going
to try to ask a question. You know, I've been
coreating with U and C trying to work with them
throughout this. When I have information, I'm not breaking it
until I run it by them for a chance to respond,
and we're working on that right now.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
We have a story that we were.
Speaker 14 (36:12):
Ready to break yesterday. And just to give you an
example of how strange this is, Dan, I am at
the point now where I can't even assume the people
I am texting and calling are the people that they
say to be. That's all I can say. But at
this point now, like I am questioning, like that's not
(36:32):
the level we are at. Because inside the building in Carolina,
they know there's a leak. They are trying to find it.
And I am kind of ears and eyes wide open
to really everything and anything at this point. But I
can tell you that our reporting directly led to the
suspension of assistant football coach Armand Hawkins, and our continued
(36:54):
prying into that story led to the statement and the
official confirmation from U and C on his suspension yesterday afternoon.
And there's a key piece in their statement that they
say he will remain on leave as the Department of
Thoughttholetics further investigates other potential actions detrimental to the team university.
Those are what we are looking into. So that's all
(37:16):
I can share at this moment. But I think you
have something. There's more stories to come.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Okay, good luck with that and trust your gut, trust
your instincts, but man, you know, nail it down. Yeah,
nail it down because the this is serious stuff. But
that's why we do this. When you get these opportunities,
go for it.
Speaker 14 (37:37):
Yes, sir, I appreciate that, and uh, this means a
lot being on here with you.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
You're one of.
Speaker 14 (37:41):
The reasons I do this.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I really appreciate the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Thank you, Pat, good luck. That's Pat Welter w r
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