October 20, 2025 • 42 mins
DP and the Danettes recap a busy weekend in the NFL and college football. FOX football analyst and former NFL QB, Robert Griffin III calls BYU/Utah one of the best rivalries in college football and calls for a roster shake-up for the Dolphins after their 1-6 start to the season. MLB broadcaster and former MLB pitcher, Ron Darling raves over Shohei Ohtani's historic game 4 performance and questions teams' reluctance to not intentionally walk players like Vlad Guerrero Jr.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Radio, right, So a couple of big games coming up tonight.
You have the Buccaneers against the Lions. The Buccaneers are
getting six, the Texans are getting three at the Seahawks.
Recapping some of the games, The Broncos game was crazy.
I've been watching NFL football for over sixty years and
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that's one of those where this question will probably be
asked on part of the interruption later today. Was that
a collapse or was that a comeback? It was a combination.
It's hard to have a comeback unless you have a
little bit of assistance and bulloy did the Giants help
out the Broncos. But a wild finish there and the
Broncos pick up the win. Historical comeback, the Colts over
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the Bolts, and the Colts are real the Dolphins. I
said that this was the most must win game of
the weekend in the NFL in my opinion, because I
thought Mike McDaniel needed to win this. He needed to
win it and maybe to keep his job. I don't
know if they're going to hold on to him. I
don't know if he makes it through the day, but
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he did hint about making some changes, but this is
about a team. And Bill Cower said this postgame. He said,
they look disinterested. Boy, you don't want to hear that.
You don't want to hear that your team quit or
they're disinterested. And here's you know, Hall of Fame coach
saying that. And that says a lot about the coach
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in Miami and about that quarterback. He threw for one
hundred yards, he had three interceptions. I mean, that's that's inexcusable.
Here is the Dolphins head coach, Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I find it very offensive to all parties involved. If
I'm thinking about having the job, I need to be
doing my job.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
And that's fair.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But it's also our job to ask about this because
we're seeing you, you know, coaches being fired, whether it's
college or the NFL. You're not making it through half
the season anymore. People want results, owners want results, fans
want results, and you're not even close to being competitive.
That's the problem I have. There are certain teams where
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you go, Okay, I can look at the Giants and go,
they played well. They played well enough to win that game.
There is at least hope there now are there some
questionable calls, yes, but give credit to Denver. I mean
they hung in there, they made plays when they needed to.
The Giants inexperience showed up. You know, Jackson Dark, you can't, can't,
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can't throw an interception there late, you cannot. You must
pin them back, worst case scenario. But there were so
many moments in that game that you can look back
and say, I mean, Denver put themselves in that position
to be down twenty six to eight. So there is
fault in their first three quarters with coaching and playing,
but in the fourth quarter you have to have a
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little little bit of help to have a comeback. All right, Seaton,
what's the poll question today?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
That Giant's tip, by the way, and then the score
for the touchdown.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
That's a crazy play.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Oh yeah, the ricochet, that is a crazy play. I mean,
the Giants got breaks there.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
But then even the pass interference that put them down
towards the goal line. That wasn't pass interference in my opinion,
But there were moments there where it could have gone
either way. If Jackson Dark doesn't get in the first
try and they have to run the clock a little bit,
and then if he scores, Denver doesn't come back to
win this game. Also, if your kicker makes two extra points,
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oh oh, he might not be around this week as well.
These are just simple things where and I'm listening to
that game on the radio with Bob Poppa, who calls
the Giants games, and it was like they didn't even
look at it as a foregone conclusion. They're going to
make the extra point. They're like, well, he's already missed one,
he missed his second one. And then I'm going, uh oh,
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because all you need is two first downs in your
field goal range in today's NFL, but that was wild Patriots, Bears, Eagles, Chiefs, Cowboys, Packers, Niners,
Panthers all pickup wins.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
There.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
We'll run down the college football at a great weekend
in South Bend. That's a big week for Notre Dame
because you win and everybody else was losing. In the
top twenty five. What other poll questions are you thinking about, Seaton.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Well, we like to start Mondays with who had the
worst weekend? Okay, that's always a lot of fun, all right,
Brewers seem like a fairly obvious one.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, but they weren't in it. I mean, I guess
getting embarrassed by getting swept. Yeah, they got swept, and
they'll be the trivial pursuit answer of which team did show, Hey,
o Tani have the greatest game in the history of
the sport against you're a Milwaukee Brewers. I would say
the Giants, just because that was devastating. You could see
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Jackson Dardam, the sidelines just crushed, crushed, and it's not
like they had room for error with the coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
But you do have your quarterback.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Cam Skataboo is going to run like that until he
can't run like that anymore. Defense played well and then
they didn't play well. So that one to me. What
are the other candidates for a worst loss of the weekend?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, yeah, we have the Brewers, we have the Giants.
We can put the Jets in there too. I think
you're losing thirteen to six to the Panthers. That's not
a great game, and you're.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Going to bench your quarterback. You know, I tried to watch.
There's certain games where I go, yeah, I can't.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I just can't.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I'm trying. There's nothing here. I do love the Jets, Helmets,
but that's not enough to go Yeah, I'm going to
be glued to my TV set. I told you early
I thought the Patriots were a playoff team, and the
Patriots are a good team. Now. Granted they beat the
tight but that was a big win for their head coach,
Mike Vrabel.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Cam Ward. No bad for that fella.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, well, I feel bad for him, But then you
got to hold onto the football, Like, there's only so
much I can feel bad for when you go back
to pass. You're supposed to hold on to the football
when you throw the pass.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Let's say, like, that's exactly why I feel so bad
for him, because that's how wrong things are going right
now for him.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Is that just simple things like that?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Mean he's a kid, you know, you'd just like to
see I like to see them do better than worse.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
What other teams are we going to throw in that list? Yeah, Pauline,
I'd like.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
To throw the Raiders in there. Not a lot of
people talking about it. They're two and five. They lost
thirty one to zero. The Chiefs had thirty first downs,
the Raiders had two. It was a complete no show.
They were over seven on third down and they came
in this year with Gino. Smith was like, oh, you've
upgraded a quarterback Ashton Genty. Sure, thing tight end is great,
the defensive line is good. They're non threatening.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I said, I thought that they were going to be
better than the Broncos this year. I thought, with Pete Carroll,
Gino play well, Ashton Genty, Max Crosby Bowers, I thought, Okay,
you guys can be competitive in the West, and they're
not competitive at all. When you get shut out, I mean,
that's embarrassing. Look, I didn't think they would beat the Chiefs,
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but be competitive. That's where as an owner, I would
have a problem with the product that's on the field.
If we're not competitive, I look right at the head coach.
That's on you, and then it starts to trickle down.
But the Raiders are not competitive. Yeah, it's a hangover
from Thursday. But can we put the Steelers on there?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I know it's a Thursday game and then we had Friday,
so it's not technically the weekend.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Sure that's a bad loss to me.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, Well, don't mess with Joe Flacco. I mean that's
they paid the price.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, you know, yeah, mess around find out Flacco Edition.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I'll throw LSU football in there for worst loss.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
The weekend they can't afford when when it's going well,
you lose to a semi football school in Vandy, nofense
just historically not going the right direction, quietly going the
wrong direction.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I think we might be underrating Vandy to be fair, Yes,
however historically yes, LSU Vandy. Yeah, when you're thinking LSU
against Vandy, it's like how much are we going to
win by? But it feels like, and I've said this
at the start of the year, it just doesn't feel
like Brian Kelly is embraced there, that he's that they've
warmed up to him, and it just feels awkward. Now
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he's not gonna lose his job, but it just feels awkward.
And you're watching that game and Vandy was the better team.
And I never thought in my lifetime like there's certain
teams that I watched growing up where they were always
going to be the something to zero, fifty Ford to nothing,
and then all of a sudden, Indiana's back, Vandy is back.
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These are the teams always on the other end. Missoo, yes, Todd,
I don't want to spoil my worst of the weekend,
but the Wisconsin Badgers football program, what happened there.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
They lose to.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Iowa thirty seven nothing. Last week they lose.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
There's another home game, thirty four nothing.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Back to back home shutouts, giving up thirty plus plats
and that's getting a field goal out of here.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I cooked.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, Luke Fickel can't hold on to his job there.
He can't. And you know what, he was a hot
candidate a couple of years ago. It's like, hey man,
that could be at Ohio State. And it's like he
won't be at Wisconsin much longer. Billy Napier got fired
at Florida. Seemed like a foregone conclusion. There'll be a
payout there as well.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yes, I have we have Wisconsin on the list. I
also put Florida State on the list. Losing to Stanford.
That's not great.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I watched the game and they are very limited cameras,
camera angles, and then you know you're watching, you know,
last play, last couple of plays, and Stanford's not very good.
That's one of those crazy Wait a minute, they're playing
where it's like North Carolina played at cal North Carolina
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didn't have a good weekend either. And by the way,
this is what I don't understand about reality. Shows when
they were going to do a documentary or whatever. That
docu series was on Hulu with North Carolina football. Then
they decide that they don't want to do it with
everything going on. No, now is when I want to
see it. I want to see the mess I don't
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want to see you know, when the turkey comes out
of the oven. I want to see all the mess
in the kitchen there. They're like, no, we don't want
to show you that. That's when it's interesting, you know,
that's when things get juicy there. Now, I would want
to see a documentary on North Carolina football.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yes, Paul.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
By the way, LSU's next two games A and M
in Alabama, Wisconsin's next three games Oregon, Washington, Indiana.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
That's a sounding mass groning. Maybe not score it till December.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It's been bad. It's bad. Let me see if there's
anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
We'll talk a little bit more about the significance of
show Heyo Toni. I was actually at one of the
greatest games turned in by a pitcher hitter in baseball history,
and I'll offer that one up as a maybe a
comp or consider this show Heyo Tani. What he did
Friday Night and then you know you're he's hitting home
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runs out of Dodgers Stadium.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
God.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I love the sound of when he hits a home run.
It's awesome, Well except for if you're the picture Yes Tom.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And the reaction to the teammates and they're all like
their jaws dropping, like.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
What did he just do?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
They're acting like fans. You know, it's not like teammates,
it's like Freddie Freeman. He was probably more excited than
any fan that was watching this.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
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Speaker 7 (12:11):
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Speaker 2 (12:39):
I was watching Utah in BYU The Holy War with
BYU winning once again, RG three was on the call
out of Pocket with RG three. Also check out his podcast,
RG three joining us. I felt for you guys because
you had this atmosphere. You were trying to capture the atmosphere,
the sound, the backdrop, everything. I mean, did you feel
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that like we couldn't understand the crowd noise. You kept
talking about this noise, but the atmosphere was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
Dan, It's the best rivalry in all of college sports,
and I was honored to be a part of it.
With play by play Jason Bennetti and our sideline reporter
Alex Atlantis toy. You know a state of Utah that
is basically a band of brothers wearing red and wearing blue,
and then one day out of the year for the
last century, they go to war.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
You know, it's a rivalry that.
Speaker 8 (13:34):
Splits families, husbands and wives, children and cousins, and then
you know, on Sunday they go to church and they're
all back singing the same song. So it was really
cool to be a part of that. Kalanisi take the
head coach for BYU, you know, the loving Samoan and
then you got Utah with Kyle Whitningham.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
It was.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
It was an interesting dynamic that was fun to be
able to capture the.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Worst loss of the weekend NFL or College was turned
in by who.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
Oh my, Yeah, I mean that's easy, Dan, that's the
New York Giants. I really feel for New York sports
fans right now. It's not pretty. Yankees get booted from
the postseason. You got the Jets at oh to seven,
they don't even really have a quarterback right now, and
then the Giants give up thirty three points in the
fourth quarter and find a way to snatch defeat out
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of the jaws of victory.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
But the Giants feel hopeful from the standpoint of they
did compete. They've got some players. So my takeaway is, yes,
that one hurts, but it could be helping you build
something here in the near future.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
Yeah, I mean, if you're looking at draft picks, of course,
you don't want to have the greatest season of all times,
so you can build some more pieces around Jackson Dart.
But you got to be careful because you know, you
saw where that Brian Banks in the walking to the
locker room, you know, talking about just the frustration of
what's going on those guys in that locker room have
pride and they want to win games this year. The
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guys aren't looking forward to the next couple of years,
like maybe some people in the front office might be,
uh if they're even there. But to your point, the
positivity from having Jackson Dart play so well and having
camp Scattaboo, you know, bring.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
That type of energy is good.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
But I think they're going through a process of learning
how to win. You know, you see this a lot
of times when when changes are made at the quarterback spot,
the team is just so used to losing that they
find way to lose games that they should win.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Dart is a game changer.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
I knew that when he was at Ole Miss, you know,
throwing the football around. But for the Giants, you just
can't allow bow Knicks to become Bo Jackson in the
fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Okay, did you play on a team where you felt
like defeat was inevitable in the NFL?
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Oh, that is a great question.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You know.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
I was a part of the team in Cleveland that
went one in fifteen, So that year was weird because
that was probably one of the closest teams I'd ever
been on as far as the camaraderie in the locker
room really, but you would they would, we would find
ways to lose games. And there's another team that I
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was on in Washington in twenty fifteen when I didn't
play a snap, and that team might have been the
most divided team I've ever been on, and we won
the division championship.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
But how do you get divided? What happens?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You know?
Speaker 8 (16:27):
It's there's it's kind of like the Eagles right now,
right they come off of victory, but you can hear
aj Brown after he catches the touchdown and these he's
like saying to the to the camera, throw me the ball.
Like they're winning games, but guys are not necessarily maybe
not getting their numbers, they're not feeling like they're getting
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used the right way. And on that twenty fifteen team,
I believe we had Deshaun Jackson, Pierre Garson, Kirk Cousins
was the starting quarterback that year, and for whatever reason,
there was just dissension in the locker room, and the
talent overcame the dissension and we were able to win
the championship. Whereas in Cleveland we were close knit, tight,
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but we just weren't able maybe we were too young.
We had like five rookie wide receivers, and you know,
we got rid of a lot of our veterans. And
it's why it's so difficult to win in the NFL,
because they're trying to figure out how to make quarterbacks successful.
They're trying to figure out how to make the team successful,
and they don't have a perfect recipe for it. But
I think it all boils down to identity. That team
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in Cleveland in twenty sixteen didn't have an identity. That
team in Washington in twenty fifteen had an identity. It
was just dysfunction, and everyone bought. Everyone bought into the dysfunction,
and we found ways to win games. So there's no
recipe for it. But I think if you have an identity,
that is the start, and the Giants are building that identity.
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They need to lean into Camp Skataboo and Jackson Dart
one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Bill Kawer said that it looked like the Dolphins players
were disinterested.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Oh now that's not saying you quit, but it's close.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Yeah, it's close.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Maybe it's semantics, it's a friendlier word.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
What does disinterested mean to you as a former player?
Speaker 8 (18:14):
It means that the Miami Dolphins need to blow it
all up Dan, they have to fire Mike McDaniel, and
I do also believe they have to get rid of
to a tongue of Ioloa. And I'm a to a guy.
You asked me, this is many shows ago, who would
I take? Would I take to a tongue of Ioloa
or Justin Herbert? And I'd picked two because his ability
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to play before the defense and get the ball out
in timing and rhythm, and his aggressiveness. But he's known
ten interceptions this year, and he's known three interceptions and
back to back games. And I do believe Tua himself
has lost that locker room. We saw it last week
when he came out and called out, you know, the
leadership in the building. That wasn't just players, that was
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leadership holistically in the entire building.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
And once it starts to creep out like that, for
a guy.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Like Tua who's always been very cognizant of what he
says to the public, that to me means that it's
going a lot worse than what we're even seeing. And
now it's affecting his play to a level of like
coach Kayer said, they're disinterested, they don't want to play.
Mike McDaniel does not look like he's having fun right
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on the sidelines. Yeah, he's not skipping and jumping and
wearing the cool glasses anymore. He's got like a hoodie on,
like he's trying to hide from somebody. So I don't
know what is particularly going on there, but I know
they owe to a one for one hundred and forty
one million still. But sometimes you just got to reshuffle
the deck and just start all over.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Talking to RG three, Fox Football analyst, he was on
the call for BYU and Utah and you can check
out his podcast out of Pocket with RG three, he
had these comments, and I know there's pressure when.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
You're a quarterback of you got to be a leader.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, some lead by example, some lead by words, some
do a combination. It's almost like Rgie or that two
of them was trying to be something he wasn't last week.
I'm going to be a leader. I'm gonna be honest.
I'm going to say these things. I'm calling you know people.
But then you go out and you throw three interceptions, correct,
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and then you throw three interceptions again.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Do you think.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
He's trying to be somebody he's not, and that is
this vocal guy because it feels like when he gets
in front of a microphone, the microphone always wins.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
He doesn't.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
That's a good you.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
Know, I got to pull on my own experience here,
because you know, when you're losing, it is.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Really difficult to be that vocal.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Leader in front of that microphone and try to hold everybody.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
In the organization accountable. I went through that.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
You know, you come off a loss and you say, hey,
you know, it all starts with me, I've got to
be better and I've got to do this, and then
it's like what you say next after that determines how
the rest of your week and the rest of your
season is going to go.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
And I made that mistake. So I understand where Tua
is at.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
Because I said that, and then I came back and
I said, you know what, the best this do this,
and we got to do that and we got it.
And your teammates it's like they're looking at you and
they're watching it on TV. Their friends are texting them
and their families texting them what's going on, and they.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Don't they skip the first part.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
Okay, yep, that you said throwing me and I got it.
They go right to hey, man, he said, you catching
the ball? He said, y'all not getting open. And I
know that feeling. So I always feel for the quarterbacks
in those moments because you want to give, you want
to you want to motivate you guys.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
No, but you want to be boring. RGI.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
You gotta be boring in the press conference, in the
locker room. You can be animated, excited, you can do
all of that in front of us. Your job is
to say something, but not really say anything.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
And Dan, I learned that.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
I learned that I just didn't have the one hundred
and forty one million dollar contract now.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
And I think a little bit of that.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
Comes with when you get that payment, you feel a
more of a responsibility to be the catalyst for that leadership.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
And I think that's where Tua is.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
He's learning on the job, you know, the mistakes that
a lot of guys make early in their career, right
in the middle of his career. So I think he
needs to watch this episode the Dan Patrick Show and
like be boring. It's okay to say, hey, it's on me.
I gotta go watch the tape.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
B Jaalen Hurts.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
They asked, Jalen Hurts, Awsome, Hey, what differently this week
that you didn't do last week?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
He's like, I don't know, I gotta go watch the tape.
Be boring.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
I'm telling you it works every single time, and your
teammates will love you for it because they're all under
a microscope in this social media age.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
And I think TWOA is learning that really quickly.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
We're also learning quickly about well, it doesn't feel like
anybody has great stability as a coach, certainly in college
that you know, things change quickly. You'll get SMU overnight,
Arizona State overnight, Indiana is back again, Texas Tech, Vandy,
and now you get these blue bloods where all of
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a sudden, you know, Penn State or Florida and Florida
State and will move on from you.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
It just do you get that feeling of I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It's survival of the fittest for these coaches trying to
hold onto these jobs.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Yeah, Dan, it is.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
And you know, you make a great point, and I
said this three or four years ago. I said that
nil on the transfer portal was going to level out
college football and what.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
That means is it's going to be year to year.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
The days of Alabama and Georgia and all these super
teams being able to just run through people every single
year and constantly be in the national.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Title race is over because their depth is dan.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
If I'm a quarterback and I know this guy is
making I don't know, four or five million dollars and
I'm a freshman coming in, or I'm a guy in
the portal, I'm not going to that school. In the past,
I could go to that school and just beat him
out because neither of us were making money and the
best guy was going to play well. Now you have
situations like last year with dj Uyungalle at Florida State,
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where they're paying him a bunch of money and everyone
with eyes can see.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Hey, he's just not playing very well.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
But guess what, they have to play him because they're
paying him so much money. So now you look at
the way that everything is going in and these coaches
are on a year to year deal where one year
they're great, the next year they can be terrible because
if you pay the wrong guys, you're out of luck.
So I look at these blue bloods and I get
why they're struggling, but the boosters don't care. And when
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they're willing to pay seventy eighty ninety million for you
not to coach somewhere, that lets you know how different
the landscape is. And Dan, I'm just trying to say,
if I can get one of these head coaching jobs
and we can make this happen, and I can bring
you guys on board, and they can.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Just fire us not to work because this is crazy
what's going on in.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
College Footballer, you would not want to be a coach today?
You would not want this?
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Or do you?
Speaker 8 (25:16):
I think I would love to do it. First, First
of all, I love coaching. You have had opportunity to
be in overtime and coach these young athletes and seven
on seven. But to me, it boils down to your
head coach can no longer just be a great play caller.
They can't just be a guy that went through the
rounds and you know he knows how to do this.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
You got to be a CEO.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
It's why Joey McGuire at Texas Tech is such a.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Great head coach. He hires the right guys.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
Shea Wood the defensive coordinator, and Mac Leftwich as offensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
These guys are innovative, they're young.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
They know how to call plays and put their guys
in position to be successful. But like you look at
Florida for example, I've said this for years now. I
think they should hire too. I think they should hire
Tim Tebow. If if Tim Tebow goes into any home
in Florida, you're telling me that those parents aren't saying yep,
sign me up, I'm coming. You got to put a
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great staff around him, because you.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Can't hire somebody that you can't fire Robert, they can
fire Tim t Bo.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah, I know, but that's you don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
It's just like we've seen that, you know, Patrick Ewing
at Georgetown, Chris Mallan at Saint John's, Clyde Drexler at Houston.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Okay, now going to fire your guy, now.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Dan, Do any of those guys give speeches like Tim Tebow?
Do any of those guys motivate like Tim Tebow motivates.
I'm not saying Tebow would take the job. I'm great
friends with Tim. I don't think you take the job.
But if I'm Florida, I'm trying to do that because
you need that level of exposure.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
If you ask him about the Florida job I have,
and what did he say?
Speaker 8 (26:49):
His response is, you know, he's not chasing that. That's
he's not He's not that, he's not interested at all.
He's just not chasing that. And I understand it. You're
the favorite son. We saw that with frosst that Nebraska.
You don't want to have to fire your guy.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
But I'm just talking.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
About the overall thought process of teams in college football today.
You got to give these young men a reason to
want to go there because they can go to seven
different schools and still make it to the NFL. Before
it was you go to Bama, you going to the league,
You go to Georgia, you going to the league, and
you're gonna win a national championship.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
It's no longer that way.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
But you got Andrew Luck, who I think is gonna
end up coaching Stanford. I mean, he's their general manager.
It feels like, you know, as competitive as he is,
he's like, I want to get closer to the game.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I could see him coaching at Stanford.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Then Andrew's doing it the smart way, right.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
Stanford's not a great team and he's not putting those
losses on his record.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
He'll start coaching when they get better.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
Think he's coach and when they're better. Hey, they had
Bear Bachmeyer the quarterback at BYU, So that.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Dude is he's good. He's not afraid, he.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Is not afraid.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
He's not a freshman four point oh g GPA at
Anford before he transferred out.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
The extremely smart young man.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
I've known him for a couple of years now, fearless,
and he showed that in the Holy War is pretty impressive.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
His watch and number forty seven, Yeah, you know, you
know what that number is.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
He played a running back and middle linebacker when he
was young, and he said, and when he switched over
to quarterback, he kept the number forty seven because it
reminded him of his primitive years. That is an interesting quarterback.
That's the guy you want to play for.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Great to talk to you again, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
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Speaker 2 (28:43):
Hey, o Tani did some things that even Babe Ruth
didn't know. Ron Darling was on the call, the former
World Series champ with the metch and broadcasting with TBS
in the booth for Friday Night the Pennant clinching victory. Ronnie,
you've seen a lot of baseball. Ooh, have you seen
anything that compares to what you saw on Friday night.
Speaker 9 (29:05):
I've never seen anything like it. You know, I think
that we're used to seeing great things from great athletes,
and we always find the words. I found it very
difficult to find any words for what happened on Friday night.
That's something that I thought might be one hundred years
from now. Maybe I didn't know it was, it was
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present now. It's just it was stuff that you see
in Williamsport. You don't see at Dodger Stadium on a
Friday night.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
A Little League World Series instead of a playoff. But
you know, no other player has this opportunity to pitch
and then bat lead off. I mean there's nobody else.
Even Babe Ruth didn't do this. He probably batted third
in the lineup with the Yankees, but he stopped pitching
to just then concentrate on hitting.
Speaker 9 (29:50):
Yeah, it's and you know the pitching and the way
you pitched and got people out in those days certainly
is a little different than what guys are looking at today.
But I remember, I'm old enough that when I was drafted,
I remember saying to my agent, I said, what if
I don't like who drafts me, why can't I go
to Japan and play for a couple of years. I'm
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twenty years old. It would be a great place to
hang out, learn a lot about baseball formative years, and
also new culture. And my agent told me that you'd
be blackballed from baseball forever. But the one thing he
did say, and I'll never forget it, because he said,
you know, it's inferior baseball over there. They'll have some
pitchers maybe someday come over and make their mark, but
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the everyday player will never have a place in a
Major League baseball. And in my lifetime we have the
best player that I've ever seen was born in Japan.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
But you also look at this and you wonder that
will this spawn other players who and using your picture
as your shortstop and your best player any bats third
in the lineup, why haven't we seen more this?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Paul Schemes was.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
A great hitter in college, And I don't know can
you take advantage of that?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Will teams do that?
Speaker 9 (31:07):
You know? I can only speak from my own experience,
because when I hear about other pitchers that were great hitters,
I'm always a little skeptical. And only in this sense
is that I was a player pitcher myself, and I
had great years as a collegiate, and then I started
taking a batting practice against major league pitchers and the
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spin and the velocity and I was, wow, am I
out of my league? So even most collegiate collegiate players
who are great hitters and pitchers find when they get
to the major league level that they're not. So that's
what makes it even more remarkable.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Well, was it more remarkable the pitching or the hitting?
If we separate the two that he hits three bombs,
but also the pitching, because man, that was some filthy
stuff that he was throwing.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Well, I think if we separated the pitching was remarkable
only because he hasn't done a lot of it this
year and that he could be two weeks in between
throwing in a major league game and produce those kind
of results. But the one thing Dan, I will tell you,
especially his second and third home run. Are people at Turner.
They do such a great job with the pictures in
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the sound, they could not replicate the sound that second
home run made from the booth. It sounded like someone
had shot off a cannon. I mean, the sound of
the connection between bat and ball. I've never heard that before.
And I've heard some great sounds, including some personally offen
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that ended up going a long way, but I had
never in the booth heard something that loud. And you know,
we tried to capture it leaving the stadium. And when
I was a young player going to Dodger Stadium for
the first time, I had people all the time say, well,
that's where Stargel hit the ball over the pavilion and
I guess kind of like Ted Williams's seat and m
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Way Park. Yeah, whatever, you know, whatever you want to say.
That's great, that's a nice story. And then you see
someone do it and you say to yourself that which
you thought was impossible is possible.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I have fallen in love with this sound, and you
bring that up, and I would just have Marvin, who
gets all of our sound, I'd say, just get me
Otani hitting that home there's nobody who sounds that way.
You could say I'm gonna play five sounds and I'll go, well,
that one's Otani. I don't know if any like Bonds
McGuire who, I don't know who you faced that you
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would go, oh my god. As soon as it hits
the bat, you know that it's gone.
Speaker 9 (33:41):
Yeah, there definitely is a different sound for the amazing
hitter Barry I faced them early in his career, and
there definitely was Ken Griffy Jr. The ball would leave
his bat in a specific way, but the thunder which
comes off the bat of Atani is just special.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Explain to me the.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Dodgers' plan is to let their starters go a little
bit further. It seems to be counterintuitive to what everybody
else in baseball is doing.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
Well, yes, because they're at a perfect spot. They've done
something that very few teams can do, have done, or
afford to do, and that is do you need.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
To get a drink of water? Go ahead? Yeah, drink
a water.
Speaker 9 (34:24):
Do you mind give me one second?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So Ron was on the call that was Friday night
with Game four, the TBS lead analyst. He won the
World Series back with the Mets in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
All right, I'm sorry about that. That very few teams
can do. They got these pictures Snell and Glassnew and others,
and they're at a spot where they've only pitched sixty
to one hundred innings. So right now in October, they
have the most well rested staff with some of the
most talented pitchers in baseball performing at their best. And
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I think that that's why they're asking more of them
than you've ever seen in the playoffs. We've had guys
before that they get to this point they have two
hundred innings or one hundred and eighty five innings. We're
talking about guys that you can push for a couple
of reasons. One is that they're where they're at innings wise.
But two, they've made their money, Dan, and that seems
to be a very important thing for especially pitchers in baseball.
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If they've made their money, I think they're more willing
to go that extra mile.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
What do you mean.
Speaker 9 (35:29):
I think that when you get to the postseason and
you're dealing with a player or a pitcher that has
not gotten his four or five year contract. They're the
agent themselves, people around them, the team are hesitant sometimes
to push them to a level that they've never been before.
But if they've made their money, I feel like they
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feel confident that they can go and go that extra
mile and pitch seven eight innings as opposed to the
five or six you see before.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Blad Guerrero has been hot the entire postseason. I mean,
O Tani was hot for one game, but Blad Guerrero
I got a walking ryn.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
I'm amazed. We're supposed to be at the smartest point
we've ever been in baseball, and sometimes it's really nothing
more than throwing all the papers away and everything and
charts and all of that and just watching an athlete
at his best. I guess we've all been waiting for
Junior to get to this point because we knew he
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had all the talent in the world. But it's and
I know you know this better than anyone, when the
talent and maturity clash all at the same time, it's
one of the most beautiful things to watch in athletes.
And that's where he is right now. He just is
intelligence about hitting is coupled with his athletic and innate
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athletic talent, So it's fun to watch it. I'm with
you that Seattle would ever challenge him at any point
makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
If I and this is apples and oranges, But if
I took the Bill Buckner game, Game six in the
World Series, yeah, and put that up against Otani's game
Friday Night, crazier game that you think you would never
see again, which one would it be?
Speaker 9 (37:22):
Well, I think it would be the Buckner game. To me,
I think only because Otani could do it again, and
he might do it again in the World Series. It
was just the strangest thing with that game because it
was built on the Mets coming back in Game six
in the NLCS against Bob Nepper three runs down. It
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was coupled with Dave Henderson leading off that inning with
a home run and adding an extra run against Rick Aguilera,
who had become one of the great closers in the game.
All of that together, no one recovers from that. But
because of guys like Gary Carr and Kevin Mitchell and
Ray Knight and Mookie Wilson, we had a big thing
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in one of the playoff games that Bryce terrang the
second basement couldn't get out of the way of a
pitch or did get out of the way of a
pitch for the bases loaded, and if he got hit,
they would have tied the game. And I think to myself,
I might not have had a career in TV if
Mookie Wilson couldn't have got out of the way before
he hit that ground ball, and we ended up putting
the World Series. So you never know what's kind of transpire.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
It was so strange being there that night and going
into the locker room and Keith Hernandez always had a
six pack up.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I think, Michelob, Yeah, Michelob, you got it right.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
And then I went in there and I realized he
was in there when the rally was happening, getting undressed,
and it was one of those where, I mean, everybody
kind of thought this foregone conclusion, but it's still one
of those you want to talk about a roar when
you guys won that game, That roar chased was incredible.
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And then I had to go into the Red Sox
locker room to interview Bill Buckner right after that.
Speaker 9 (39:07):
I mean, one of the worst things you ever have
to do, right anytime you have to go into the
loser's locker room, but especially with Bill who's one of
the great players, one of the great hitters they have
to face. The one thing I will say about that
night is in the locker rooms aren't like they are now.
The locker rooms are pretty pathetic in those days. And
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we had that popcorn ceiling, and because of the war,
as you were talking about, and the people dancing in
the stands, all of the soot and dirt was coming
through the popcorn ceiling, and all of us thought, I
think as a collective group, this stadium could come down.
But I think we're all comfortable. If it's going to
come down, this is the best time.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Who do the Dodgers want to face between these two
teams tonight.
Speaker 9 (39:55):
I don't think the Dodgers care who they face. They
tell you the truth. I think they're at a point
right now where they're extremely confident. Uh They've got five
future Hall of famers, if you include the manager on
the ball club. They're playing peak with their starting pitching,
the relievings coming along, and the lineup is as tough
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as any of the game. I don't I don't think
they fear anyone if they had to face the team
maybe Seattle. Because of that way they stay on the
West coast, it's a little easier travel.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I so you got Otani, Mookie Kershaw, Freeman, Dave Roberts.
Speaker 9 (40:33):
There you go. That's that's uh, that's their hall of
famers at some point. So and then we haven't and
we have what if Snell gets his third cim you
know there's other other players too.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
I don't know, can three cy youngs? You feel like it.
Speaker 9 (40:49):
It at least gets you in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
So well, yeah, I don't know anymore. With starting pitching,
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
I mean it's really hard to go, like, what what
gets you in? Is this starter anymore?
Speaker 9 (41:01):
I know we're going to have starters in the near
future who are going to have less than one hundred
and fifty wins, who are going to be seriously considered.
And that's how much the game has changed. In fact,
I think the win is going to change. It's going
to be a collective decision by some group. I don't
know if it's going to be the official scorer that
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will give it to whoever pitched the best that day.
The five innings and all of that I think are
going to go by the wayside someday, maybe not in
my lifetime, but it's going to go so.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
It'd be open to interpretation from the official score of
you get a win and you went two and two thirds.
Speaker 9 (41:38):
Yeah, yes, exactly. Well, a starting pitcher could go four
and two thirds of scoreless baseball. Everyone else kind of
suffers and he gets to win even though he didn't
meet our five inning minimum.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
But then, can you look back and look at some
of these pitchers who ended up with two hundred and
fifty wins? And now do you look at Mike Mussina differently,
or you know Bert Weylevin or Tommy John or you
know those you know, Kurt Shilling, who should be in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
In my opinion one.
Speaker 9 (42:11):
Hundred percent, I'm a big haul guy. All those guys
I look at differently anyways, because they were kind of
old school meets the new school. In this format, I
think I can find maybe fifty or sixty more wins
for myself. We'll have to see.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Great to talk to you, Ronnie, Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 9 (42:30):
Thanks Dan anytime.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
That's ron Darling.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Radio, right, So a couple of big games coming up tonight.
You have the Buccaneers against the Lions. The Buccaneers are
getting six, the Texans are getting three at the Seahawks.
Recapping some of the games, The Broncos game was crazy.
I've been watching NFL football for over sixty years and
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that's one of those where this question will probably be
asked on part of the interruption later today. Was that
a collapse or was that a comeback? It was a combination.
It's hard to have a comeback unless you have a
little bit of assistance and bulloy did the Giants help
out the Broncos. But a wild finish there and the
Broncos pick up the win. Historical comeback, the Colts over
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the Bolts, and the Colts are real the Dolphins. I
said that this was the most must win game of
the weekend in the NFL in my opinion, because I
thought Mike McDaniel needed to win this. He needed to
win it and maybe to keep his job. I don't
know if they're going to hold on to him. I
don't know if he makes it through the day, but
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he did hint about making some changes, but this is
about a team. And Bill Cower said this postgame. He said,
they look disinterested. Boy, you don't want to hear that.
You don't want to hear that your team quit or
they're disinterested. And here's you know, Hall of Fame coach
saying that. And that says a lot about the coach
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in Miami and about that quarterback. He threw for one
hundred yards, he had three interceptions. I mean, that's that's inexcusable.
Here is the Dolphins head coach, Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I find it very offensive to all parties involved. If
I'm thinking about having the job, I need to be
doing my job.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
And that's fair.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But it's also our job to ask about this because
we're seeing you, you know, coaches being fired, whether it's
college or the NFL. You're not making it through half
the season anymore. People want results, owners want results, fans
want results, and you're not even close to being competitive.
That's the problem I have. There are certain teams where
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you go, Okay, I can look at the Giants and go,
they played well. They played well enough to win that game.
There is at least hope there now are there some
questionable calls, yes, but give credit to Denver. I mean
they hung in there, they made plays when they needed to.
The Giants inexperience showed up. You know, Jackson Dark, you can't, can't,
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can't throw an interception there late, you cannot. You must
pin them back, worst case scenario. But there were so
many moments in that game that you can look back
and say, I mean, Denver put themselves in that position
to be down twenty six to eight. So there is
fault in their first three quarters with coaching and playing,
but in the fourth quarter you have to have a
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little little bit of help to have a comeback. All right, Seaton,
what's the poll question today?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
That Giant's tip, by the way, and then the score
for the touchdown.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
That's a crazy play.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Oh yeah, the ricochet, that is a crazy play. I mean,
the Giants got breaks there.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
But then even the pass interference that put them down
towards the goal line. That wasn't pass interference in my opinion,
But there were moments there where it could have gone
either way. If Jackson Dark doesn't get in the first
try and they have to run the clock a little bit,
and then if he scores, Denver doesn't come back to
win this game. Also, if your kicker makes two extra points,
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oh oh, he might not be around this week as well.
These are just simple things where and I'm listening to
that game on the radio with Bob Poppa, who calls
the Giants games, and it was like they didn't even
look at it as a foregone conclusion. They're going to
make the extra point. They're like, well, he's already missed one,
he missed his second one. And then I'm going, uh oh,
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because all you need is two first downs in your
field goal range in today's NFL, but that was wild Patriots, Bears, Eagles, Chiefs, Cowboys, Packers, Niners,
Panthers all pickup wins.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
There.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
We'll run down the college football at a great weekend
in South Bend. That's a big week for Notre Dame
because you win and everybody else was losing. In the
top twenty five. What other poll questions are you thinking about, Seaton.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Well, we like to start Mondays with who had the
worst weekend? Okay, that's always a lot of fun, all right,
Brewers seem like a fairly obvious one.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, but they weren't in it. I mean, I guess
getting embarrassed by getting swept. Yeah, they got swept, and
they'll be the trivial pursuit answer of which team did show, Hey,
o Tani have the greatest game in the history of
the sport against you're a Milwaukee Brewers. I would say
the Giants, just because that was devastating. You could see
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Jackson Dardam, the sidelines just crushed, crushed, and it's not
like they had room for error with the coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
But you do have your quarterback.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Cam Skataboo is going to run like that until he
can't run like that anymore. Defense played well and then
they didn't play well. So that one to me. What
are the other candidates for a worst loss of the weekend?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, yeah, we have the Brewers, we have the Giants.
We can put the Jets in there too. I think
you're losing thirteen to six to the Panthers. That's not
a great game, and you're.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Going to bench your quarterback. You know, I tried to watch.
There's certain games where I go, yeah, I can't.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I just can't.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I'm trying. There's nothing here. I do love the Jets, Helmets,
but that's not enough to go Yeah, I'm going to
be glued to my TV set. I told you early
I thought the Patriots were a playoff team, and the
Patriots are a good team. Now. Granted they beat the
tight but that was a big win for their head coach,
Mike Vrabel.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Cam Ward. No bad for that fella.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, well, I feel bad for him, But then you
got to hold onto the football, Like, there's only so
much I can feel bad for when you go back
to pass. You're supposed to hold on to the football
when you throw the pass.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Let's say, like, that's exactly why I feel so bad
for him, because that's how wrong things are going right
now for him.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Is that just simple things like that?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Mean he's a kid, you know, you'd just like to
see I like to see them do better than worse.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
What other teams are we going to throw in that list? Yeah, Pauline,
I'd like.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
To throw the Raiders in there. Not a lot of
people talking about it. They're two and five. They lost
thirty one to zero. The Chiefs had thirty first downs,
the Raiders had two. It was a complete no show.
They were over seven on third down and they came
in this year with Gino. Smith was like, oh, you've
upgraded a quarterback Ashton Genty. Sure, thing tight end is great,
the defensive line is good. They're non threatening.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I said, I thought that they were going to be
better than the Broncos this year. I thought, with Pete Carroll,
Gino play well, Ashton Genty, Max Crosby Bowers, I thought, Okay,
you guys can be competitive in the West, and they're
not competitive at all. When you get shut out, I mean,
that's embarrassing. Look, I didn't think they would beat the Chiefs,
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but be competitive. That's where as an owner, I would
have a problem with the product that's on the field.
If we're not competitive, I look right at the head coach.
That's on you, and then it starts to trickle down.
But the Raiders are not competitive. Yeah, it's a hangover
from Thursday. But can we put the Steelers on there?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I know it's a Thursday game and then we had Friday,
so it's not technically the weekend.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Sure that's a bad loss to me.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, Well, don't mess with Joe Flacco. I mean that's
they paid the price.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, you know, yeah, mess around find out Flacco Edition.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
I'll throw LSU football in there for worst loss.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
The weekend they can't afford when when it's going well,
you lose to a semi football school in Vandy, nofense
just historically not going the right direction, quietly going the
wrong direction.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I think we might be underrating Vandy to be fair, Yes,
however historically yes, LSU Vandy. Yeah, when you're thinking LSU
against Vandy, it's like how much are we going to
win by? But it feels like, and I've said this
at the start of the year, it just doesn't feel
like Brian Kelly is embraced there, that he's that they've
warmed up to him, and it just feels awkward. Now
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he's not gonna lose his job, but it just feels awkward.
And you're watching that game and Vandy was the better team.
And I never thought in my lifetime like there's certain
teams that I watched growing up where they were always
going to be the something to zero, fifty Ford to nothing,
and then all of a sudden, Indiana's back, Vandy is back.
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These are the teams always on the other end. Missoo, yes, Todd,
I don't want to spoil my worst of the weekend,
but the Wisconsin Badgers football program, what happened there.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
They lose to.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Iowa thirty seven nothing. Last week they lose.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
There's another home game, thirty four nothing.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Back to back home shutouts, giving up thirty plus plats
and that's getting a field goal out of here.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I cooked.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, Luke Fickel can't hold on to his job there.
He can't. And you know what, he was a hot
candidate a couple of years ago. It's like, hey man,
that could be at Ohio State. And it's like he
won't be at Wisconsin much longer. Billy Napier got fired
at Florida. Seemed like a foregone conclusion. There'll be a
payout there as well.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yes, I have we have Wisconsin on the list. I
also put Florida State on the list. Losing to Stanford.
That's not great.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I watched the game and they are very limited cameras,
camera angles, and then you know you're watching, you know,
last play, last couple of plays, and Stanford's not very good.
That's one of those crazy Wait a minute, they're playing
where it's like North Carolina played at cal North Carolina
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didn't have a good weekend either. And by the way,
this is what I don't understand about reality. Shows when
they were going to do a documentary or whatever. That
docu series was on Hulu with North Carolina football. Then
they decide that they don't want to do it with
everything going on. No, now is when I want to
see it. I want to see the mess I don't
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want to see you know, when the turkey comes out
of the oven. I want to see all the mess
in the kitchen there. They're like, no, we don't want
to show you that. That's when it's interesting, you know,
that's when things get juicy there. Now, I would want
to see a documentary on North Carolina football.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yes, Paul.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
By the way, LSU's next two games A and M
in Alabama, Wisconsin's next three games Oregon, Washington, Indiana.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
That's a sounding mass groning. Maybe not score it till December.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It's been bad. It's bad. Let me see if there's
anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
We'll talk a little bit more about the significance of
show Heyo Toni. I was actually at one of the
greatest games turned in by a pitcher hitter in baseball history,
and I'll offer that one up as a maybe a
comp or consider this show Heyo Tani. What he did
Friday Night and then you know you're he's hitting home
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runs out of Dodgers Stadium.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
God.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I love the sound of when he hits a home run.
It's awesome, Well except for if you're the picture Yes Tom.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And the reaction to the teammates and they're all like
their jaws dropping, like.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
What did he just do?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
They're acting like fans. You know, it's not like teammates,
it's like Freddie Freeman. He was probably more excited than
any fan that was watching this.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
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Rob Parker.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
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Speaker 2 (12:39):
I was watching Utah in BYU The Holy War with
BYU winning once again, RG three was on the call
out of Pocket with RG three. Also check out his podcast,
RG three joining us. I felt for you guys because
you had this atmosphere. You were trying to capture the atmosphere,
the sound, the backdrop, everything. I mean, did you feel
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that like we couldn't understand the crowd noise. You kept
talking about this noise, but the atmosphere was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
Dan, It's the best rivalry in all of college sports,
and I was honored to be a part of it.
With play by play Jason Bennetti and our sideline reporter
Alex Atlantis toy. You know a state of Utah that
is basically a band of brothers wearing red and wearing blue,
and then one day out of the year for the
last century, they go to war.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
You know, it's a rivalry that.
Speaker 8 (13:34):
Splits families, husbands and wives, children and cousins, and then
you know, on Sunday they go to church and they're
all back singing the same song. So it was really
cool to be a part of that. Kalanisi take the
head coach for BYU, you know, the loving Samoan and
then you got Utah with Kyle Whitningham.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
It was.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
It was an interesting dynamic that was fun to be
able to capture the.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Worst loss of the weekend NFL or College was turned
in by who.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
Oh my, Yeah, I mean that's easy, Dan, that's the
New York Giants. I really feel for New York sports
fans right now. It's not pretty. Yankees get booted from
the postseason. You got the Jets at oh to seven,
they don't even really have a quarterback right now, and
then the Giants give up thirty three points in the
fourth quarter and find a way to snatch defeat out
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of the jaws of victory.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
But the Giants feel hopeful from the standpoint of they
did compete. They've got some players. So my takeaway is, yes,
that one hurts, but it could be helping you build
something here in the near future.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
Yeah, I mean, if you're looking at draft picks, of course,
you don't want to have the greatest season of all times,
so you can build some more pieces around Jackson Dart.
But you got to be careful because you know, you
saw where that Brian Banks in the walking to the
locker room, you know, talking about just the frustration of
what's going on those guys in that locker room have
pride and they want to win games this year. The
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guys aren't looking forward to the next couple of years,
like maybe some people in the front office might be,
uh if they're even there. But to your point, the
positivity from having Jackson Dart play so well and having
camp Scattaboo, you know, bring.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
That type of energy is good.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
But I think they're going through a process of learning
how to win. You know, you see this a lot
of times when when changes are made at the quarterback spot,
the team is just so used to losing that they
find way to lose games that they should win.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Dart is a game changer.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
I knew that when he was at Ole Miss, you know,
throwing the football around. But for the Giants, you just
can't allow bow Knicks to become Bo Jackson in the
fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Okay, did you play on a team where you felt
like defeat was inevitable in the NFL?
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Oh, that is a great question.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You know.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
I was a part of the team in Cleveland that
went one in fifteen, So that year was weird because
that was probably one of the closest teams I'd ever
been on as far as the camaraderie in the locker
room really, but you would they would, we would find
ways to lose games. And there's another team that I
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was on in Washington in twenty fifteen when I didn't
play a snap, and that team might have been the
most divided team I've ever been on, and we won
the division championship.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
But how do you get divided? What happens?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You know?
Speaker 8 (16:27):
It's there's it's kind of like the Eagles right now,
right they come off of victory, but you can hear
aj Brown after he catches the touchdown and these he's
like saying to the to the camera, throw me the ball.
Like they're winning games, but guys are not necessarily maybe
not getting their numbers, they're not feeling like they're getting
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used the right way. And on that twenty fifteen team,
I believe we had Deshaun Jackson, Pierre Garson, Kirk Cousins
was the starting quarterback that year, and for whatever reason,
there was just dissension in the locker room, and the
talent overcame the dissension and we were able to win
the championship. Whereas in Cleveland we were close knit, tight,
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but we just weren't able maybe we were too young.
We had like five rookie wide receivers, and you know,
we got rid of a lot of our veterans. And
it's why it's so difficult to win in the NFL,
because they're trying to figure out how to make quarterbacks successful.
They're trying to figure out how to make the team successful,
and they don't have a perfect recipe for it. But
I think it all boils down to identity. That team
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in Cleveland in twenty sixteen didn't have an identity. That
team in Washington in twenty fifteen had an identity. It
was just dysfunction, and everyone bought. Everyone bought into the dysfunction,
and we found ways to win games. So there's no
recipe for it. But I think if you have an identity,
that is the start, and the Giants are building that identity.
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They need to lean into Camp Skataboo and Jackson Dart
one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Bill Kawer said that it looked like the Dolphins players
were disinterested.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Oh now that's not saying you quit, but it's close.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Yeah, it's close.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Maybe it's semantics, it's a friendlier word.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
What does disinterested mean to you as a former player?
Speaker 8 (18:14):
It means that the Miami Dolphins need to blow it
all up Dan, they have to fire Mike McDaniel, and
I do also believe they have to get rid of
to a tongue of Ioloa. And I'm a to a guy.
You asked me, this is many shows ago, who would
I take? Would I take to a tongue of Ioloa
or Justin Herbert? And I'd picked two because his ability
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to play before the defense and get the ball out
in timing and rhythm, and his aggressiveness. But he's known
ten interceptions this year, and he's known three interceptions and
back to back games. And I do believe Tua himself
has lost that locker room. We saw it last week
when he came out and called out, you know, the
leadership in the building. That wasn't just players, that was
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leadership holistically in the entire building.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
And once it starts to creep out like that, for
a guy.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Like Tua who's always been very cognizant of what he
says to the public, that to me means that it's
going a lot worse than what we're even seeing. And
now it's affecting his play to a level of like
coach Kayer said, they're disinterested, they don't want to play.
Mike McDaniel does not look like he's having fun right
(19:23):
on the sidelines. Yeah, he's not skipping and jumping and
wearing the cool glasses anymore. He's got like a hoodie on,
like he's trying to hide from somebody. So I don't
know what is particularly going on there, but I know
they owe to a one for one hundred and forty
one million still. But sometimes you just got to reshuffle
the deck and just start all over.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Talking to RG three, Fox Football analyst, he was on
the call for BYU and Utah and you can check
out his podcast out of Pocket with RG three, he
had these comments, and I know there's pressure when.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
You're a quarterback of you got to be a leader.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, some lead by example, some lead by words, some
do a combination. It's almost like Rgie or that two
of them was trying to be something he wasn't last week.
I'm going to be a leader. I'm gonna be honest.
I'm going to say these things. I'm calling you know people.
But then you go out and you throw three interceptions, correct,
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and then you throw three interceptions again.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Do you think.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
He's trying to be somebody he's not, and that is
this vocal guy because it feels like when he gets
in front of a microphone, the microphone always wins.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
He doesn't.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
That's a good you.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
Know, I got to pull on my own experience here,
because you know, when you're losing, it is.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Really difficult to be that vocal.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Leader in front of that microphone and try to hold everybody.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
In the organization accountable. I went through that.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
You know, you come off a loss and you say, hey,
you know, it all starts with me, I've got to
be better and I've got to do this, and then
it's like what you say next after that determines how
the rest of your week and the rest of your
season is going to go.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
And I made that mistake. So I understand where Tua
is at.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
Because I said that, and then I came back and
I said, you know what, the best this do this,
and we got to do that and we got it.
And your teammates it's like they're looking at you and
they're watching it on TV. Their friends are texting them
and their families texting them what's going on, and they.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Don't they skip the first part.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
Okay, yep, that you said throwing me and I got it.
They go right to hey, man, he said, you catching
the ball? He said, y'all not getting open. And I
know that feeling. So I always feel for the quarterbacks
in those moments because you want to give, you want
to you want to motivate you guys.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
No, but you want to be boring. RGI.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
You gotta be boring in the press conference, in the
locker room. You can be animated, excited, you can do
all of that in front of us. Your job is
to say something, but not really say anything.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
And Dan, I learned that.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
I learned that I just didn't have the one hundred
and forty one million dollar contract now.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
And I think a little bit of that.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
Comes with when you get that payment, you feel a
more of a responsibility to be the catalyst for that leadership.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
And I think that's where Tua is.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
He's learning on the job, you know, the mistakes that
a lot of guys make early in their career, right
in the middle of his career. So I think he
needs to watch this episode the Dan Patrick Show and
like be boring. It's okay to say, hey, it's on me.
I gotta go watch the tape.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
B Jaalen Hurts.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
They asked, Jalen Hurts, Awsome, Hey, what differently this week
that you didn't do last week?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
He's like, I don't know, I gotta go watch the tape.
Be boring.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
I'm telling you it works every single time, and your
teammates will love you for it because they're all under
a microscope in this social media age.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
And I think TWOA is learning that really quickly.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
We're also learning quickly about well, it doesn't feel like
anybody has great stability as a coach, certainly in college
that you know, things change quickly. You'll get SMU overnight,
Arizona State overnight, Indiana is back again, Texas Tech, Vandy,
and now you get these blue bloods where all of
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a sudden, you know, Penn State or Florida and Florida
State and will move on from you.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
It just do you get that feeling of I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It's survival of the fittest for these coaches trying to
hold onto these jobs.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Yeah, Dan, it is.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
And you know, you make a great point, and I
said this three or four years ago. I said that
nil on the transfer portal was going to level out
college football and what.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
That means is it's going to be year to year.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
The days of Alabama and Georgia and all these super
teams being able to just run through people every single
year and constantly be in the national.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Title race is over because their depth is dan.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
If I'm a quarterback and I know this guy is
making I don't know, four or five million dollars and
I'm a freshman coming in, or I'm a guy in
the portal, I'm not going to that school. In the past,
I could go to that school and just beat him
out because neither of us were making money and the
best guy was going to play well. Now you have
situations like last year with dj Uyungalle at Florida State,
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where they're paying him a bunch of money and everyone
with eyes can see.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Hey, he's just not playing very well.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
But guess what, they have to play him because they're
paying him so much money. So now you look at
the way that everything is going in and these coaches
are on a year to year deal where one year
they're great, the next year they can be terrible because
if you pay the wrong guys, you're out of luck.
So I look at these blue bloods and I get
why they're struggling, but the boosters don't care. And when
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they're willing to pay seventy eighty ninety million for you
not to coach somewhere, that lets you know how different
the landscape is. And Dan, I'm just trying to say,
if I can get one of these head coaching jobs
and we can make this happen, and I can bring
you guys on board, and they can.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Just fire us not to work because this is crazy
what's going on in.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
College Footballer, you would not want to be a coach today?
You would not want this?
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Or do you?
Speaker 8 (25:16):
I think I would love to do it. First, First
of all, I love coaching. You have had opportunity to
be in overtime and coach these young athletes and seven
on seven. But to me, it boils down to your
head coach can no longer just be a great play caller.
They can't just be a guy that went through the
rounds and you know he knows how to do this.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
You got to be a CEO.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
It's why Joey McGuire at Texas Tech is such a.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Great head coach. He hires the right guys.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
Shea Wood the defensive coordinator, and Mac Leftwich as offensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
These guys are innovative, they're young.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
They know how to call plays and put their guys
in position to be successful. But like you look at
Florida for example, I've said this for years now. I
think they should hire too. I think they should hire
Tim Tebow. If if Tim Tebow goes into any home
in Florida, you're telling me that those parents aren't saying yep,
sign me up, I'm coming. You got to put a
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great staff around him, because you.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Can't hire somebody that you can't fire Robert, they can
fire Tim t Bo.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah, I know, but that's you don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
It's just like we've seen that, you know, Patrick Ewing
at Georgetown, Chris Mallan at Saint John's, Clyde Drexler at Houston.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Okay, now going to fire your guy, now.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Dan, Do any of those guys give speeches like Tim Tebow?
Do any of those guys motivate like Tim Tebow motivates.
I'm not saying Tebow would take the job. I'm great
friends with Tim. I don't think you take the job.
But if I'm Florida, I'm trying to do that because
you need that level of exposure.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
If you ask him about the Florida job I have,
and what did he say?
Speaker 8 (26:49):
His response is, you know, he's not chasing that. That's
he's not He's not that, he's not interested at all.
He's just not chasing that. And I understand it. You're
the favorite son. We saw that with frosst that Nebraska.
You don't want to have to fire your guy.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
But I'm just talking.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
About the overall thought process of teams in college football today.
You got to give these young men a reason to
want to go there because they can go to seven
different schools and still make it to the NFL. Before
it was you go to Bama, you going to the league,
You go to Georgia, you going to the league, and
you're gonna win a national championship.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
It's no longer that way.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
But you got Andrew Luck, who I think is gonna
end up coaching Stanford. I mean, he's their general manager.
It feels like, you know, as competitive as he is,
he's like, I want to get closer to the game.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I could see him coaching at Stanford.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Then Andrew's doing it the smart way, right.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
Stanford's not a great team and he's not putting those
losses on his record.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
He'll start coaching when they get better.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
Think he's coach and when they're better. Hey, they had
Bear Bachmeyer the quarterback at BYU, So that.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Dude is he's good. He's not afraid, he.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Is not afraid.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
He's not a freshman four point oh g GPA at
Anford before he transferred out.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
The extremely smart young man.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
I've known him for a couple of years now, fearless,
and he showed that in the Holy War is pretty impressive.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
His watch and number forty seven, Yeah, you know, you
know what that number is.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
He played a running back and middle linebacker when he
was young, and he said, and when he switched over
to quarterback, he kept the number forty seven because it
reminded him of his primitive years. That is an interesting quarterback.
That's the guy you want to play for.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Great to talk to you again, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
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Speaker 2 (28:43):
Hey, o Tani did some things that even Babe Ruth
didn't know. Ron Darling was on the call, the former
World Series champ with the metch and broadcasting with TBS
in the booth for Friday Night the Pennant clinching victory. Ronnie,
you've seen a lot of baseball. Ooh, have you seen
anything that compares to what you saw on Friday night.
Speaker 9 (29:05):
I've never seen anything like it. You know, I think
that we're used to seeing great things from great athletes,
and we always find the words. I found it very
difficult to find any words for what happened on Friday night.
That's something that I thought might be one hundred years
from now. Maybe I didn't know it was, it was
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present now. It's just it was stuff that you see
in Williamsport. You don't see at Dodger Stadium on a
Friday night.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
A Little League World Series instead of a playoff. But
you know, no other player has this opportunity to pitch
and then bat lead off. I mean there's nobody else.
Even Babe Ruth didn't do this. He probably batted third
in the lineup with the Yankees, but he stopped pitching
to just then concentrate on hitting.
Speaker 9 (29:50):
Yeah, it's and you know the pitching and the way
you pitched and got people out in those days certainly
is a little different than what guys are looking at today.
But I remember, I'm old enough that when I was drafted,
I remember saying to my agent, I said, what if
I don't like who drafts me, why can't I go
to Japan and play for a couple of years. I'm
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twenty years old. It would be a great place to
hang out, learn a lot about baseball formative years, and
also new culture. And my agent told me that you'd
be blackballed from baseball forever. But the one thing he
did say, and I'll never forget it, because he said,
you know, it's inferior baseball over there. They'll have some
pitchers maybe someday come over and make their mark, but
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the everyday player will never have a place in a
Major League baseball. And in my lifetime we have the
best player that I've ever seen was born in Japan.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
But you also look at this and you wonder that
will this spawn other players who and using your picture
as your shortstop and your best player any bats third
in the lineup, why haven't we seen more this?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Paul Schemes was.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
A great hitter in college, And I don't know can
you take advantage of that?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Will teams do that?
Speaker 9 (31:07):
You know? I can only speak from my own experience,
because when I hear about other pitchers that were great hitters,
I'm always a little skeptical. And only in this sense
is that I was a player pitcher myself, and I
had great years as a collegiate, and then I started
taking a batting practice against major league pitchers and the
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spin and the velocity and I was, wow, am I
out of my league? So even most collegiate collegiate players
who are great hitters and pitchers find when they get
to the major league level that they're not. So that's
what makes it even more remarkable.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Well, was it more remarkable the pitching or the hitting?
If we separate the two that he hits three bombs,
but also the pitching, because man, that was some filthy
stuff that he was throwing.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Well, I think if we separated the pitching was remarkable
only because he hasn't done a lot of it this
year and that he could be two weeks in between
throwing in a major league game and produce those kind
of results. But the one thing Dan, I will tell you,
especially his second and third home run. Are people at Turner.
They do such a great job with the pictures in
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the sound, they could not replicate the sound that second
home run made from the booth. It sounded like someone
had shot off a cannon. I mean, the sound of
the connection between bat and ball. I've never heard that before.
And I've heard some great sounds, including some personally offen
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that ended up going a long way, but I had
never in the booth heard something that loud. And you know,
we tried to capture it leaving the stadium. And when
I was a young player going to Dodger Stadium for
the first time, I had people all the time say, well,
that's where Stargel hit the ball over the pavilion and
I guess kind of like Ted Williams's seat and m
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Way Park. Yeah, whatever, you know, whatever you want to say.
That's great, that's a nice story. And then you see
someone do it and you say to yourself that which
you thought was impossible is possible.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I have fallen in love with this sound, and you
bring that up, and I would just have Marvin, who
gets all of our sound, I'd say, just get me
Otani hitting that home there's nobody who sounds that way.
You could say I'm gonna play five sounds and I'll go, well,
that one's Otani. I don't know if any like Bonds
McGuire who, I don't know who you faced that you
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would go, oh my god. As soon as it hits
the bat, you know that it's gone.
Speaker 9 (33:41):
Yeah, there definitely is a different sound for the amazing
hitter Barry I faced them early in his career, and
there definitely was Ken Griffy Jr. The ball would leave
his bat in a specific way, but the thunder which
comes off the bat of Atani is just special.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Explain to me the.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Dodgers' plan is to let their starters go a little
bit further. It seems to be counterintuitive to what everybody
else in baseball is doing.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
Well, yes, because they're at a perfect spot. They've done
something that very few teams can do, have done, or
afford to do, and that is do you need.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
To get a drink of water? Go ahead? Yeah, drink
a water.
Speaker 9 (34:24):
Do you mind give me one second?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So Ron was on the call that was Friday night
with Game four, the TBS lead analyst. He won the
World Series back with the Mets in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
All right, I'm sorry about that. That very few teams
can do. They got these pictures Snell and Glassnew and others,
and they're at a spot where they've only pitched sixty
to one hundred innings. So right now in October, they
have the most well rested staff with some of the
most talented pitchers in baseball performing at their best. And
(34:59):
I think that that's why they're asking more of them
than you've ever seen in the playoffs. We've had guys
before that they get to this point they have two
hundred innings or one hundred and eighty five innings. We're
talking about guys that you can push for a couple
of reasons. One is that they're where they're at innings wise.
But two, they've made their money, Dan, and that seems
to be a very important thing for especially pitchers in baseball.
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If they've made their money, I think they're more willing
to go that extra mile.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
What do you mean.
Speaker 9 (35:29):
I think that when you get to the postseason and
you're dealing with a player or a pitcher that has
not gotten his four or five year contract. They're the
agent themselves, people around them, the team are hesitant sometimes
to push them to a level that they've never been before.
But if they've made their money, I feel like they
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feel confident that they can go and go that extra
mile and pitch seven eight innings as opposed to the
five or six you see before.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Blad Guerrero has been hot the entire postseason. I mean,
O Tani was hot for one game, but Blad Guerrero
I got a walking ryn.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
I'm amazed. We're supposed to be at the smartest point
we've ever been in baseball, and sometimes it's really nothing
more than throwing all the papers away and everything and
charts and all of that and just watching an athlete
at his best. I guess we've all been waiting for
Junior to get to this point because we knew he
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had all the talent in the world. But it's and
I know you know this better than anyone, when the
talent and maturity clash all at the same time, it's
one of the most beautiful things to watch in athletes.
And that's where he is right now. He just is
intelligence about hitting is coupled with his athletic and innate
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athletic talent, So it's fun to watch it. I'm with
you that Seattle would ever challenge him at any point
makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
If I and this is apples and oranges, But if
I took the Bill Buckner game, Game six in the
World Series, yeah, and put that up against Otani's game
Friday Night, crazier game that you think you would never
see again, which one would it be?
Speaker 9 (37:22):
Well, I think it would be the Buckner game. To me,
I think only because Otani could do it again, and
he might do it again in the World Series. It
was just the strangest thing with that game because it
was built on the Mets coming back in Game six
in the NLCS against Bob Nepper three runs down. It
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was coupled with Dave Henderson leading off that inning with
a home run and adding an extra run against Rick Aguilera,
who had become one of the great closers in the game.
All of that together, no one recovers from that. But
because of guys like Gary Carr and Kevin Mitchell and
Ray Knight and Mookie Wilson, we had a big thing
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in one of the playoff games that Bryce terrang the
second basement couldn't get out of the way of a
pitch or did get out of the way of a
pitch for the bases loaded, and if he got hit,
they would have tied the game. And I think to myself,
I might not have had a career in TV if
Mookie Wilson couldn't have got out of the way before
he hit that ground ball, and we ended up putting
the World Series. So you never know what's kind of transpire.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
It was so strange being there that night and going
into the locker room and Keith Hernandez always had a
six pack up.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I think, Michelob, Yeah, Michelob, you got it right.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
And then I went in there and I realized he
was in there when the rally was happening, getting undressed,
and it was one of those where, I mean, everybody
kind of thought this foregone conclusion, but it's still one
of those you want to talk about a roar when
you guys won that game, That roar chased was incredible.
(39:02):
And then I had to go into the Red Sox
locker room to interview Bill Buckner right after that.
Speaker 9 (39:07):
I mean, one of the worst things you ever have
to do, right anytime you have to go into the
loser's locker room, but especially with Bill who's one of
the great players, one of the great hitters they have
to face. The one thing I will say about that
night is in the locker rooms aren't like they are now.
The locker rooms are pretty pathetic in those days. And
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we had that popcorn ceiling, and because of the war,
as you were talking about, and the people dancing in
the stands, all of the soot and dirt was coming
through the popcorn ceiling, and all of us thought, I
think as a collective group, this stadium could come down.
But I think we're all comfortable. If it's going to
come down, this is the best time.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Who do the Dodgers want to face between these two
teams tonight.
Speaker 9 (39:55):
I don't think the Dodgers care who they face. They
tell you the truth. I think they're at a point
right now where they're extremely confident. Uh They've got five
future Hall of famers, if you include the manager on
the ball club. They're playing peak with their starting pitching,
the relievings coming along, and the lineup is as tough
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as any of the game. I don't I don't think
they fear anyone if they had to face the team
maybe Seattle. Because of that way they stay on the
West coast, it's a little easier travel.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I so you got Otani, Mookie Kershaw, Freeman, Dave Roberts.
Speaker 9 (40:33):
There you go. That's that's uh, that's their hall of
famers at some point. So and then we haven't and
we have what if Snell gets his third cim you
know there's other other players too.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
I don't know, can three cy youngs? You feel like it.
Speaker 9 (40:49):
It at least gets you in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
So well, yeah, I don't know anymore. With starting pitching,
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
I mean it's really hard to go, like, what what
gets you in? Is this starter anymore?
Speaker 9 (41:01):
I know we're going to have starters in the near
future who are going to have less than one hundred
and fifty wins, who are going to be seriously considered.
And that's how much the game has changed. In fact,
I think the win is going to change. It's going
to be a collective decision by some group. I don't
know if it's going to be the official scorer that
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will give it to whoever pitched the best that day.
The five innings and all of that I think are
going to go by the wayside someday, maybe not in
my lifetime, but it's going to go so.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
It'd be open to interpretation from the official score of
you get a win and you went two and two thirds.
Speaker 9 (41:38):
Yeah, yes, exactly. Well, a starting pitcher could go four
and two thirds of scoreless baseball. Everyone else kind of
suffers and he gets to win even though he didn't
meet our five inning minimum.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
But then, can you look back and look at some
of these pitchers who ended up with two hundred and
fifty wins? And now do you look at Mike Mussina differently,
or you know Bert Weylevin or Tommy John or you
know those you know, Kurt Shilling, who should be in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
In my opinion one.
Speaker 9 (42:11):
Hundred percent, I'm a big haul guy. All those guys
I look at differently anyways, because they were kind of
old school meets the new school. In this format, I
think I can find maybe fifty or sixty more wins
for myself. We'll have to see.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Great to talk to you, Ronnie, Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 9 (42:30):
Thanks Dan anytime.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
That's ron Darling.
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