November 20, 2025 • 47 mins
NFL/CFB analyst Ross Tucker views Sunday as another checkpoint in Shedeur Sanders' development and sees the potential for the Cowboys to crawl back into relevance this season. F1 reporter Nicole Briscoe previews this weekend's Las Vegas Grand Prix, and praises Max Verstappen for dragging Red Bull to greatness. Comedian/impressionist Frank Caliendo performs some of his best impressions and reflects on dinner with Dan and the Danettes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio, Ross Tucker Football Podcast. Follow him on social
media at Ross Tucker NFL. In the booth for the
Browns and the Raiders This Sunday, yay, we get to
talk about Shador Sanders and I have a reason to here, Ross,
good to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
What do you hope to see from Shador Sanders this Sunday?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I guess just making strides and improvement, and I think
that he definitely will look better than he did on
Sunday against the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Although I would also say this, Dan, I think if
you watched each play and the coaching.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Tape of each play, it looked a lot better to
me than when I just saw the stats. You know,
you initially see four of sixteen interception whatever. When I watched,
I thought it was better than that. You know, he
made some really good throws. They very much struggled to
pick up the blitzes that the Ravens were bringing it him.
(01:01):
I mean they threw the kitchen sink at him, and
not just at him, They threw the kitchen sink at
the Browns offense, and the Browns offense did not do
a very good job of picking it up and putting
Shador in a better position to succeed. I think we're
all just excited to see what does it look like
when the whole game plan is designed for his strengths
(01:23):
and to mitigate his weaknesses. He gets every rep this
week throwing the ball to Jerry Judy.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And those guys.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I'll say this, Dame, we can't look at this one
game and make a definitive judgment as to what his
NFL career is going to be. But I am really excited,
like everybody is, to see what he can do with
having everything aligned for him, at least for this week.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, I think everybody seems to pick a side with
this topic. I just said, let the kid play, that's all.
I just don't want the media to make him into
Tim Tebow. That you're not good enough to start, but
there's too much of a distraction to keep you on
a roster because I remember when Tebow did he go
to the Patriots and I go, how do you cut
Tim Tebow?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You get to that point and head coach doesn't want
to be dealing with that. I hope Chador can show
us that he can either play or he can't play
because you're gonna put so much pressure on it. Head
coach that he's got to deal with the Chador situation,
and I agree with you. When I'm watching that game
he had no time, I would tell him, you got
(02:30):
a clock in your head that if it's not there
in three seconds, throw it away. Don't try to make
a play. You're not athletic enough, you're not your dad.
You got three seconds at the most, and Max Crosby's
coming after you, so get it, read it, get rid
of it, and live to see another play.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Your thoughts, well, it's funny that you mentioned, you know,
the Tebow effect, because most people I talk to thought
he was like a late first round, early second round pick.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So I believe that that.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You know, maybe he didn't nail the pre draft process,
and you talk to people and they'll tell you that.
But I still do think that how popular he is,
or how polarizing, whatever word you want to use, I
do think that contributed to his fall on the draft
because I think people said, Okay, if he's not going.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
To be the starter, we.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Don't want the most talked about person on our team
to be a rookie second or third string quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
And you know, Dan, I think I told you this.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I've never experienced anything like this calling games, but last
year I did Colorado Colorado State on TV for CBS,
and Dan, I don't know if it's real people or
it's bots or what, but if you say anything positive
about Shador, there's a weird group of people or bots
(03:53):
or whatever. They jump down your throat right away. That
was an easy pass the receiver may to play. He's
not good. And then if you say anything negative about Shador,
there's a whole other like group of people or FOT.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Army or whatever. Nobody's just kind of like relaxed with him.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
It's it's the strangest thing that And I guess I
can see how someone has supporters that are that strong.
The weird part of it, to me is this group
of detractors that seem so invested in him not performing well.
I have never experienced it like that any other game.
After the game, I looked at my social media mentioned
(04:36):
and it's like people were big mad no matter what
I said.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You know, it's agenda base coverage. I see members of
the media, it's agenda base that they want to have.
They have a relationship probably with Dion. You want to
stay in good favor with him. It feels like they're
fighting for Dion and Shador and kind of carrying the
water or the complete opposite. And as I've said on
(05:01):
the show, I voted him third in the Heisman. I
thought of him that much. That he played behind a
bad line, hung in there, took some big hits, put
up some big numbers, and I just said, I think
he's going to start this year. Give him a chance.
Let's just see if the kid can play. It's hard
enough to play the position. Now everybody is going to
be watching you, and everything you do is going to
(05:22):
be scrutinized. Now. Has he invited this? Yes, Dion joined
us in New Orleans at the Super Bowl and he
told us he was dictating the draft of where his
son would go or not go. So they kind of
put themselves in this position. And it's ironic that he
makes his first start with the team I thought was
going to draft him, the Raiders, and they passed him up.
(05:45):
And Tom Brady has known Dion and Shadoor. He is
mentored Shador, and Tom is a minority owner of the Raiders,
And it told me an awful lot that a team
that could use a backup quarterback and maybe an eventual
successor to Gino Smith. They passed on him, I think,
you know five or six times.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah, well a lot of He was passed on him
a lot of times.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Although there have been reports that have.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Come out that evidently, you know, he and Dion told
certain teams not to take him because.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
They didn't want to go somewhere where they had an
established starter.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
How accurate those reports are or aren't.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I'm with you, though, did I get that Lamar Jackson
he didn't want to go to the Ravens because they
haven't established starter. That's Lamar Jackson with Gino Smith and
the Raiders and Tom Brady. That to me is a
great That would have been a great landing spot.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Especially with how Gino Smith has struggled this year. Which
is one of the interesting things about the Raiders is
I think they brought in Pete Carroll and Gino Smith
to kind of change the culture right and to get
a winning culture and to be competitive. But they're not competitive,
and yet they're not really playing their young guys yet either.
(07:00):
I still think Pete Carroll's trying to flip the culture
that both these teams are in really really fascinating position.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Is Pete Carroll coaching for his job this year?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Well, I would imagine that everything's on the table for
the Raiders at the end of this year, you know, quarterback,
head coach, because if you brought in Pete Carroll for
credibility and to write the ship.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I don't think that they had delusions of grandeur of.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Being a playoff team this year, but they had been
so down for so long.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I think the goal was with.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Gino and Pete, we can be a seven to eight
win team and start to build this thing the right
way and change.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
The culture here. And unfortunately, for a number of different reasons,
it just it hasn't happened for him.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Here's another thing I don't understand. I love Dashton Genty,
I love the pick, but I love the pick when
I have a good offensive line. I want to have
a good offensive line first before I draft a running back.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, so there's a couple things there. Number one is
their offensive line is not good. Their best player, Colton
Miller's hurt, probably their second most talented JPJ, the right guard,
he's hurt, you know, watching.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Them against the Cowboys Monday night.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
I'm not sure they have a guy starting Dan that
is an average starter right now in the NFL. I
mean maybe Parm at left guard or Glaze at right tackle.
The other thing that's interesting though about Gent and I
you know, I someday I called the Lions Eagles game
for Westwood One, and.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I'm watching that game and I'm thinking about Gent.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
You know, usually if you're like a top fifteen pick
as a running back, it's Saquon, Bijon Robinson, Jamiir Gibbs.
Like you are electric. I mean when you Dan, you
can feel when Jamiir Gibbs has the ball, he's operating
a different speed anybody else out there that's not really genty.
(09:03):
Gent is like an incredible tackle breaker and making people miss.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
But he's not. He's not operating in a different speed
out there.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
He doesn't have that level of explosiveness, which I think
makes him interesting as a sixth overall pick.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, the Raiders are a mess right now. Pro Football
Focus has that offensive line ranked thirty first. We're talking
to Ross Tucker the Ross Tucker Football podcast, available on
social media at Ross Tucker NFL. He'll be on the
call for the Raiders and the Cleveland Browns. You got
the Bills and the Texans tonight. This is kind of
interesting with that great defense by the Texans. I don't
(09:39):
know how good the Bills are. I don't know how
good the Texans are either. Texans are a five and
five no c J start. So how do you can't
handicap this that the Bills are favored by five and
a half at the Texans against one of the best
defenses in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Well, I think the two best deep well, I will
say the three best defenses right now would be the Browns,
the Texans, and the way that he to play these
last two games, holding both the Packers and Lions under
double digits. But the Texans edge, rushers, corners, they are elite.
This is a major, major challenge for the Bills. And
(10:13):
I know that Josh Allen had six touchdowns on Sunday
against the Bucks, but he also had two pretty bad interceptions.
And so this is one where the Bills might have
to win it ugly.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
They might have to win it with defense, They might
have to kind of win it.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Nineteen sixteen, sixteen thirteen, And that's okay, you know that
works as well.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Buffalo's defense is a start.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
He's won the first two and he's kind of saved
the Texans season. If they lost either one of those,
they would probably be done. But they are still very
much alive because Davis Mills has done what you want
a backup quarterback to do, which is come in and
not be the reason why the team loses the game.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Buffalo's defense, yikes.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
They've lost some guys at Oliver Michael Hoyt that I
think they were really counting on. You know, it's wild
because right now, Dan, you know, it's looking like the
Bills and Chiefs, maybe even the Ravens are gonna be
wild cards.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
But what are people.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Really gonna predict if it's the Chiefs in a wild
card game at New England or at Indy or at Denver.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean, we just had it Sunday.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
The five and five Chiefs were three and a half
point favorites on the road against the nine and two Broncos.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
So what they're telling.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
You is, yeah, we know there's this group of teams
at the top that have these nine and two, eight
and two records, and we know where the Bills, Ravens
and Chiefs are.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
But the betting public or the pros or whoever.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
When it really comes down to it in the playoffs,
people are still going to believe that Daniel Jones and
May and those guys Bonnicks beat Josh Allen Lamar and
Mahomes in the playoffs when they see I don't think
it could be a ton of people picking those home
favorites in those playoff games.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
What do you think your opinion is going to be
if the Cowboys happened to beat the Eagles this Sunday.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I think if the Cowboys beat the Eagles, my opinion
will be I will say I was a little bit
wrong about Jerry Jones trading for quinnin Williams. I did
not think it made a whole lot of sense to
make that move in the middle of what felt like
a lost season, but coming out to win against the
Raiders where they looked a lot better on that side
(12:39):
of the ball. If they now beat the Eagles and
they win back to back and they're very much in
the playoff mix for the rest of this season, then
I'll tip my cap to Jerry Jones and I'll say
kudos to him for not giving up on the season
and letting those guys have a chance to really make
a run at this thing because that offense, with that
(13:00):
old line and Dak and those receivers, they have a
puncher's chance in any game they play. So if the
defense can just be average and they were better than
average Monday night in Vegas, if the defense can just
be average and they get to the playoffs, they could
be a scary out for somebody.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You know, I was just thinking about this. Is Miles
Garrett gonna be the defensive version of Joe Thomas in Cleveland,
where first ballot Hall of Famer but has nothing to
show in his resume.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yes, yeah, I mean he already is. You know, think
about this.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I think right now, and they might even be the
betting favorites, But I think right now, Miles Garrett's the
defensive player of the year clearly. I think Carson Schweeshinger,
their rookie linebacker, is the defensive rookie of the year.
They're two and eight, I mean, the defensive player of
the year and defensive rookie of the year on a.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Two and eight team. I can't begin.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
To explain Dan how crazy what Miles Garrett's doing is.
For two reasons. Number one. They never have a lead.
You know, he's never able to just tee off for
the whole fourth quarter because they have a two score lead.
You know, the other team's throwing it. These are sacks
(14:16):
in regular down and distance. He doesn't have a chance
to just pin his years back. Secondly, the entire week
the Raiders this week, all they're talking about is we're
not gonna let Miles beat us. We're not gonna let
it be Miles. We're gonna chip, we're gonna slide to them,
we're gonna bring the tight end over, we're gonna have
(14:37):
a running back b gap like the whole For him
to do what he does every week, when I know
for a fact, having been a former offensive lineman, that
he's the guy that you talk about in game plan
and say we're not gonna let him ruin the game,
and yet he still ruins games, is unbelievably impressive.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Safe travels. Always great to talk to you, buddy. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, maybe i'll wave as our planes cross tomorrow as
I'm flying to Vegas, you guys are flying back, I'll
wave to you guys.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
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Speaker 2 (15:52):
Away seating with a mystery email or text message from
your wife? Can you give that to us and then
we'll get to a new Brisco Maybe she can help
answer this question. I think she can.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Okay, Yeah, So I just got a text from my
wife during the show and the text says read this
post in some.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Of the comments. Oh no, and it's a tweet.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
It's a link to a tweet, and the tweet says
being five nine to five eleven is the worst height
for men. You're not tall enough to coast the dating
market on easy Street, yet not short enough to be
single mindedly driven to become a billionaire.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So I'm five eleven in three quarters.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
I fall right into that window of this is the
worst height for men because you're just kind of average.
You're not really tall so very attractive, and you're not
short enough to just become a billionaire.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Should I tell you that?
Speaker 9 (16:43):
My husband is like maybe five eight, Like if I'm
five to seven, he's like maybe five.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Eight, all right, Yeah, but he's a race car driver. Yes,
so that comes.
Speaker 9 (16:53):
In handy, Okay, So like it got him like the
edge there because he's small and he can fit inside
the cars.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, it's like he's a dan atte. I mean he
actually aspired to do something greater than that.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
According to this, he's on the fast track to being
a billionaire.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I mean that sounds great, that sounds amazing.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Yeah, I don't know about the fast track part of it.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
So then you start reading the I started reading the comments.
The first one says five ten is like one hundred
and fifty k year. Comfortable but not impressive.
Speaker 9 (17:21):
Okay, this is kind of average, right, kind of average.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
I guess average.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeahs.
Speaker 9 (17:26):
If you ask a woman what's the ideal height, she's
probably gonna say six foot six two.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Six TWOI ish, right, yeah, I mean that's what they're
hoping for.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
So I lie, like every five to eleven guy in
the world lies and says they're sixth foot.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, everybody does. How about a full intro here, Nicole
Brisco the Sports center anchor, Formula one reporter, eleven o'clock
Eastern Sports Center. We used to watch you in the morning, yeah,
Randy Scott, Yes, yes, soon you might lead him.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
Oh, you know, essentially the overnight.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh yeah. ESPN will televise the Las Vegas grund Priat
of An Eastern this Saturday. What should we know going
into this race?
Speaker 8 (18:04):
Oh god, that's an open ended question. What should you know?
Speaker 9 (18:07):
You should know that this is year three in Vegas
and this event has changed so much since you're one
to now. But this will likely be the coldest race
of the season, which could absolute havoc in terms of
grip and the way the cars handle on the track.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
But historically this has been one of the best races
of the year. There's a lot of passing.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
There's normally, like you know, passing can be difficult. So
just like buckle buckle, buckle up, it's.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Gonna be a good it's gonna be a good weekend.
We just need the rain to stay away.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
But I wondered about that because NASCAR is built on,
you know, the drama of passing, and you know that's also.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Oval racing, so it's completely different.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
But what I'm saying is Formula one doesn't have that
many elements of passing.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
It doesn't, so you have to take Formula One in
sort of like in sections, you have of the front
of the pack, you have the midfield.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
Guys and you guys are at the back. There is
passing within the groups. There is competition within the groups.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
But the likelihood that say a mid pack team is
going to take it to McLaren probably not. But a Ferrari,
a Mercedes like George Russell ran away with this race
last year, they could easily be on the move against
like a red Bull this weekend and then you could
have an interesting battle in the midpack. So there is passing,
(19:29):
it just may not look like it from top to bottom.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
The driver and the car give me the ratio of
you know, may have this in horse racing, may have
this in a lot of things. So how would you
assess that ratio of how good is my driver, how
good is my car?
Speaker 9 (19:46):
You can't have You cannot have it all without having
the best of both worlds.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
You really can't.
Speaker 9 (19:52):
And I think there are some drivers who can like
make up that gap you've got.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
I think Max Verstappan is probably.
Speaker 9 (19:59):
The best example of this, because I've always said I
feel like Max can drive a shoe box. And I
think this year, in a lot of ways, has almost
cemented his legacy as one of the greatest drivers of
all time, because in years past he probably had the best.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
Car and he ran away with the championship. At the
beginning of this year, the Red Bull was sort of
like it was terrible.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
And he was still making things happen with it, and
you'd watch the onboard sometime and you'd be like, how
the hell is he driving that car? Let alone like
putting it near the front, being competitive with it.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
And so if you look at what they've done.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
Since they've made the upgrades, you've taken this world class
generational talent and a driver, and then you've taken a
great car and they've taken a guy who five races
into the season was like I am out of this championship,
and now he's very much in contention for the championship.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
So you have to have that. You look at McLaren.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
They have two great drivers and they've made so much
improvements to their car and that's put them in the
front of the field.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
But if the car falls off, then I.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
Don't really know if they're in the same position.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Is this it has to.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
Be a solid relationship between the two.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
We love to do greatest of all time rankings here, Yes,
Lewis Hamilton, goat uh.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
So you have to It's a little bit like in
the NBA, Like I'm a nineties kid, so like I
personally say all greatest of all time conversations starting in
with Michael Jordan, you do have to think generationally.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
You can't have like the the.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
Michael Schumacher era is not the same as the that
the era now. So when you're talking about the greatest
of all time, I think you have to include Schumacher.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
You have to include some of the guys from before that,
and then yes, Lewis Hamilton. But I also think you make.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
A case already for for Max Verstappen. You could look
at some of the things that Sebastian Vettel did, and
you win four straight championships and it is still the
youngest champion ever. It's it's an interesting sport and it
produces a lot of greats.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
I mean, it's the it's the pinnacle of motorsports.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
But how do you grow up and say I want
to be a Formula One driver. We go, I want
to be a quarterback, I want to be a pitcher.
You know that seems to.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Be you have a bajillion dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
That's usually a good place, sister.
Speaker 9 (22:11):
I mean, honestly, you're talking at the end of the day,
you're talking this year the twenty best in the world.
Next year to be twenty two because Cadillac is coming
on board. But essentially, they begin driving at this tall
you know, they're four when they get into a Jeff Gordon, Yes, exactly.
(22:33):
You start at this age and it's a little bit
like you know, you watch a guy who's like a
hockey player, they're skating before they're walking. These guys are
driving before they're doing anything else, and it's very cute
when they're little, but This is an incredibly expensive sport
and most of the time it has to come from
like your family or your sponsors. And unless you are
(22:55):
good at it, you cannot advance because no.
Speaker 8 (22:58):
One's going to back you.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
And the amount of money takes to be where these
people are now is just it's absurd.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What do they make? Kind of money are we talking about?
Speaker 9 (23:08):
Like, I mean, I don't I think when you look
at like sponsorships and things like that, I don't think
it's out of the remot possibility to say.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
For Stabbin brings in eighty million dollars a year. That's
my guess.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
They don't have a salary cap for UNA one.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
Well, they do have a cost cap, and so those
things and the nuances of that I can't totally give you.
Speaker 8 (23:28):
But there is a cost gap, so they do have
to operate within the budget.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
But I don't know if the driver's salaries are included
in that.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
I'm pretty sure they're not.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
We're talking to Nicole Brisco, the sports center anchor, Formula
one reporter. ESPN will televise the Las Vegas Grand Prix
at eleven Eastern on Saturday. What do you remember about
your first sports center?
Speaker 8 (23:47):
Oh, my god, like so freaking nervous because McQuaid called me.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Mike McQuaid runs, yes, yeah, right exactly.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
So I had been at ESPN for what seven or
eight years because I had been doing the NASCAR stuff,
and then when our NASCAR contract ended, they were like,
come do Sports Center. So I was like, that sounds
like a nine to five job, considering you know, all
the travel, and like in our world, it kind of.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
Is because it's it's sort of normal.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
And so I was there and I was doing like
the rookie orientation even though I'd been with the company
seven or eight years at this point, and McQuaid calls
me and he's like, we've.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
Had a stick call. We've got nobody left, and I
was like great, cool. He's like, go go do this show.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And this is his voice too, because like it's.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
Just like nothing like if he smiles at you, it's
more like a grimace.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
And you're like, I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
But also I will say this about him, like we
give him a lot of he's the kind of person
like I don't think he'll ever ask you to do
something he himself wouldn't do.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
So like you kind of want to work for the guy.
Speaker 9 (24:46):
I remember being nervous, feeling like I had never worked
in TV before.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
Shot sheets, You're like, what the hell is this? Like
like stuff. It's like when they say.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
About the game of like football, right like you move
from level to the next and you're like, well, the
game is finally slowed down. The game was like in
hyper speed on that day one, and now I'm like,
it's you know, it's now it's slowed down.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Did you watch your performance back?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
No, like from day one? Oh god no, No, not
that one. I've watched others, but that one. I was
just like, you know what, we're gonna We're gonna remember this.
We're gonna live in the moment, and then we're gonna
I know.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Like you know, you let's show Nicole stop.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
Like you know when you make mistakes, like you know, so,
I mean, you're just sort of honest. And I think
it was February fourteenth. I knew the mistakes that I made,
and I thought, I know where I need to improve,
and so you just sort of like build on on that.
And I was just like I'm gonna I'm gonna enjoy it.
And that's that's what that That's why I take away
(25:50):
from that one.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I used to watch the show back every single night.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Well, I but I.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Do now because it's most of the time I'm on
the rear, so we close and then I watch it
on the way home, and so I watch.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
It every night. Essentially, don't know.
Speaker 9 (26:09):
So okay, because you know that you tape stuff and
so like, sometimes you tape stuff and you've got segments
and then you don't really know how it comes together.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Yeah, so sometimes I watched for that to see.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Oh, that's what that looked like, that's how it came together.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
What's a different sports center now?
Speaker 8 (26:26):
It is?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes, But you know, doing the eleven for such a
long period of time, I got I was so fixated
on making it perfect. You can't though, I know, but
that's why you got to stop it, you know. I
was noticing my tie delivery on you know, a pitch
to a home run like it had to be. It
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was really minutia.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
I guess maybe I'm not that much of a perfectionist,
and I think to an extent, there is part of
that that has made me feel more comfortable in the
the role. I think it's good to have that, yes,
because you get to a point where you're very comfortable
with who you are. You kind of don't give a
you know what about what other people think anymore because
(27:11):
you're you're in your own skin, you know how you
want to sound, you know who you are, and you
stop trying to.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Impress everybody because you know your own worth. Like you're
there for a reason.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
And so if you can go out there and you
can have fun, yes you're gonna make mistakes, but like,
when you think about it, we're talking and in the
course of a conversation, how many times do you fumble
your word, just in the normal course of conversation, Like
that's a normal human experience. And if you expect yourself
to go out there over the course of what forty
two minutes and be perfect, it's an unrealistic expectation and
(27:45):
you're just automatically setting yourself up to fail.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
So I think I let go of that. But yes,
it's very easy to do it. Just be like, no,
you sucked on that one.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, I did it until I was reminded that you
got the job right. That's what it took because I
kept you know how competitive it is in that building
just a little bit, and it can be backstabbing. Everybody
wants your job, and you know, I was like, nobody's
gonna catch me. I'm not gonna let anybody catch me.
But I was not myself until I was told you
(28:16):
have the child hub. But this was a couple of
years into it.
Speaker 9 (28:20):
Oh No, I definitely felt that way because I had
my youngest is nine nine and a half, and I
had her fairly early on into my like sports center career,
and I really took the minimum amount of time off
because you're just at that point. I was like, I
was just starting to like find a groove and whatever.
(28:42):
And even though the idea the concept of like not
taking time off to heal from having a baby like
is ridiculous, I felt the need to get back as
soon as I could because.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
There's always somebody else waiting in the wings.
Speaker 9 (28:55):
Always the next generation is there, the next person, and
so you feel like you have to justify your existence
all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
My son, him and his wife just had a baby,
so he gets three months off.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Okay, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And he said, Dad, how long did you take when
he was my first born? I said, I think I
took the weekend off. Yeah, And then I went back
to work and we had four kids under.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
Seven, which is insane.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yes, but of course I wanted to go back to work.
I didn't want to stay at home. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
I actually had like a human attached to me, So
it was a little carter, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
But I think I already had a nation attached to me.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
Yes, okay, fine, I think I took I think I
took five weeks with Blake, and I think I took
about the same with Finley. But the difference with Finley
was now twelve.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
She actually traveled.
Speaker 9 (29:44):
With me for the first year of her life because
that was that was the easier thing to do because
we were still on NASCAR back then.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
This business is wild, telling you that it's very glamorous.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I always tell people you don't want to go into
this business. You think you do, but once you get in,
do you know that?
Speaker 8 (30:02):
That was actually the first career advice I got.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
Like I was in college and it was like doing
a basic communications course and the professor was like, what
do you want to be when you grow up? And
I gave my whole spuel of blah blah blah blah,
and he he was like, go get an internship. Now,
he was like because I know so many people who
think they're getting into the business and they think they're
getting one thing, and what they actually get is not reality.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
He's like, you may.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
Hate it, and so I did, and then that's sort
of what started the ball rolling on my actual career.
But it's because I had this cynical professor who was like,
this business sucks.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
You know, it's a tough business. It is, yeah, but
you know, I find people who want to be lawyers,
and then they become lawyers and they go, I don't
want to be a lawyer.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
Yes, I have a friend who did that same thing.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Thanks for joining us, Thank you for having me. It's
great to meet you.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
Yeah you too.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Nicole Brisco the Sports Center anchor Formula One reporter once
again in the Mothership, will televise Las Vegas Grand Prix.
They hate when I say the Mothership.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
At the moment, we still call it the Mothership, don't you.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I mean? Yeah, yes. Eleven Eastern coming up this Saturday.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
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Speaker 2 (31:17):
Frank Kelliendo where as Terry Bradshaw said, is Frank Kella Edendo.
He's performing New Year's Eve at the Tempe Improv in
Arizona doing shows. He's at the Funny Bone in Omaha
January twenty third, twenty fourth, Off the Hook Comedy Club
in Naples, Florida, January thirtieth, thirty first. All tickets can
be purchased at Frank on stage dot com. Great see
(31:39):
you again. I mentioned that going to dinner with you
is like going to dinner with five or six different people.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
So well, it happens a lot, like little bits of
stories happen right like we were talking about that. I'll
get to the full story eventually on here. But just
hanging out with William Shatner. I was with him at
an event the other day. I kept trying to lock
eyes with him and try to get him fight. There
was a kind of like what's the problem. I don't know.
He's like, I don't talk the way people say I talk.
(32:08):
Why do they do that? Why do they say I
speakless way? I'm like, you're ninety four, I know why
am i awagrahad ninety four? But people tend to do that.
Captain's Lug that kind of thing. And when he just talks,
he just talks like this, But you can't help from
wanting to.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Talk like it.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
But point of view, when you impersonate somebody, imitate somebody,
but then what are you going to say when you
use that voice like the context of it? How difficult
is that?
Speaker 5 (32:39):
I think that's one of the most difficult things, because
otherwise you're just a parrot. Right if you're doing the
voice of the person, you're not trying, you're not finding
something funny with it. We were talking about Charlie Sheen
on the show a couple when he was on the
show a couple of weeks ago, and you, I was
a setan that noticed the same thing that he would
repeat the question back that you would ask, yeah, I
(33:00):
U I uh, I asked that. Huh I said that okay,
and did that go well? No, all right, okay.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And then if people watch this, you say, so you're
seeing people to.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
This, saw people saw me and you didn't enjoy it?
Or you did did I? Did I kill somebody? Did
somebody die?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But in fairness to him, he doesn't remember, though.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Friend, No, that was the amazing I made it. I
did a little social media post that was based on that.
It was Halloween candies and he would he had pixie sticks.
I was like, those straws with sugar in them, that
is sugar. That's what that is. Is that sugar? And
it was from this your interview with him that I
was like, I picked up that he says something. The
questions it afterward, like is that is that right or not? Okay?
(33:46):
All right? I was alive during this, right. So it's
it's it's finding those little pieces. Terry Bradshaw was easy,
not fun if Frank not funny, Charles Barker thinks everything
is terrible, not damn, that's really really bad, and the
show is not cheating.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
You know.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
So it's if you find those little things, what does
the person do? The old school ones seem to be
a lot easier. I think the newer people are a
little more difficult because people have like the wide rate,
like de Niro's become uh, you know, a caricature of himself.
Everybody does that? Okay, what doing that?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Now?
Speaker 5 (34:20):
He does that? He's in the movie Here we Go.
Samuel L. Jackson has a cadence. They the writers write
the cadence. It's the dud duh dead du da da
and you you know there's certain words in there too, right,
But that's the that's the song about how many Christopher
Walkins have you heard? Low high in the middle? But
you know who it is, right because of that little
(34:43):
song that they sing.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Does Gruden know that he's doing Gruden when he talks?
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Uh? I think I think no. I don't know why.
I can't really tell, but he's he's into it so much.
I mean, he is Gruden times a million. I mean
when he was a coach, there were a lot of
people that you know, it was. It was a love
and hate kind of thing. Now people just seem to
love him. He's opening boxes every year. We gotta here, man,
(35:11):
let's open this thing up. It's gonna be pretty good
right here. Man. I tell you what, He's one of
those guys that gets excited out of nowhere when I
when I did that hard knocks with him, I'm gonna
yell for no reason?
Speaker 8 (35:20):
Man?
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Why am I mad? Right now?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
So you don't think Gruden's playing Gruden.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
I think he just is free. I think he's free
in just doing what he wants to do. I think
that's kind of it. He's just free to be himself,
like he would do crazy things on Monday night football
when when he was there there were some certain and
he just is doing that type of stuff all the time,
but you can't. It's one of those guys that hit
you when he talks. Yeah, man, you like that? Huh yeah,
(35:47):
be careful. You ever see his hands? His hands sounds
like wreck at Ralph for something like that. They're just massive.
You know, he's puts them up. He's doing this kind
of thing like he's doing a magic reveal here. We
call this the Prestige.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
You ever get thirteen.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Minutes into that movie, man, I'll tell you what, it's
a pretty good one. That should see the ending tricks.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yet, when do you know when to retire somebody?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Uh, I don't know. I bring him back little bits.
I mean that that's That's one of the things is like.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Is John Madden always going to be.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Well with the Madden movie coming back? And I think
I'll talk to you guys about that. That'll be big again.
I mean it's like and they I don't know if
I brought this up to you guys before, but they
asked me to audition for that movie for the part
of Howard Cosell like I wasn't gonna get it, but
I think they just wanted me to talk to Nicholas
Cage about being Do you know if I talked about this?
But I guess I could just tell the story again.
But it was like it was I got a text
(36:38):
from my agent, h Nicholas Cage and the director want
to call it. You want to do a zoom call
with you. I'm like no, Like what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (36:48):
I'm like, no, I want to hang out with Nicholas
Cage if I'm gonna give him the recipe of the
Madden I want to hang out with Nicholas Cage in Vegas.
I want to do Leslie Stall Walk and Talk. I
want to write Sidecar to the ghost Rider. I want
to be there. I want to hear him to show
me his exotic animals. Like here's my monitor lizard. What
would John Madden say to this monitor lizard? We're gonna
steal the Declaration of Independence? Ool. So it's like I
(37:11):
wanted that kind of a thing. I didn't want to
do a zoom E's static, you know, and he could
get out of it at any time. I wanted to force
him to have to and That's probably why they didn't
do it. Was they they didn't want to take that time.
But John Mann never liked me. He finally kind of
turned around when I met him at the super Bowl
years later, but it wasn't I didn't know anything about
him like that. I think they were trying to do research,
(37:31):
and that's what it was gonna be. They were gonna
try and ask me a bunch of questions about John Man,
like I didn't really know him. I just met him once.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Do you do a Howard Cosell?
Speaker 5 (37:39):
I don't, And it was this is Howard coach. I mean,
it would be that and bad the whole time. And
one of the reasons I don't do is because it's
so old that some of the impressions I've done throughout
the years, I'm like, well, this is like you said
you when you retire them. Well, that Howard Cosell was,
you know, two generations before John Madden. So I don't know.
It gets a little weird there, and who remembers only
(38:01):
the oldest of people. Remember you do Howard Cosell on
a TikTok video? Nobody cares? I mean that. Then the
the next thing that plays, because you're in the algorithm,
is uh, Billy Crystal doing it from forty years sixty
years ago. I didn't even know you could do it anymore.
So I threw it by Crystal.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
And you know, with a comedian, it's trickier. If you're
in a band and you play the hits, well, then
you get to play the hits the next place, in
the next place. But as a comedian, like in a
year from now, you can't have the same stand up
act say.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
It's to evolve and and people and people's voices changed.
By the way, this this the founder Blue Hotel. I
told you this when you texted me about coming here.
This is my go to hotel and it's because of
your show. I listen when you guys were here at
the super Bowl a couple of years ago. I heard
you there. We were coming for NBA uh Summer League,
(38:54):
and I was like, where should we stay? My son?
I look, Oh, that's uh, that founded Blue and I'm like,
that's where Dan was. It's got gotta be good if
the if the if Dan's there, so uh And we
looked at the price and were like, holy cow, we
were here. We actually booked another place to go afterward,
like we're going back to fund of Blue, like because
we didn't know what it was going to be, like
we checked out, we ended up coming back and now
(39:14):
this is this is where I stay most of the time.
So where was I going with? That?
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
We were we were talking about that.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Oh well, voice has changed too, So here's here's another
thing too. So if you heard on the TV's that's
what made me think of Mountain Blue on the TV's
the Hall of Excellent. I was gonna say, Brady, uh,
but that's playing and it's Morgan Freeman narrating it. But
he's ninety year old Morgan Freeman. Look how ol Lizae
Shatner's like, he's a young man. But if you listen
(39:41):
to Morgan Freeman now, he's much older man. He's like that,
this is Morgan Freeman. It's not that thing, you know.
Truth of the matter is, it's not that anymore. It's
even and not this isn't a political thing. But if
you listen to Donald Trump now, he doesn't have the
same voice he had ten years ago. Everybody, a lot
of people do that.
Speaker 10 (39:57):
Well you know that, big I do go ahead, the
very quiet the library, Trump with the tremendous books in
the library, the great books there with some of the
best words, and they get the greatest words, and these
words form something called sentences, and the sentences they end
up making sense.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
And we done. We don't? We don't. I like when
he does that?
Speaker 8 (40:16):
We know that that?
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Then I got to eaven it out with a little biden. Right, folks,
come on, what are you doing the thing?
Speaker 11 (40:23):
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Speaker 5 (40:28):
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Speaker 11 (40:32):
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Speaker 5 (40:41):
Defeated by Mario Luigi Romans. Folks, Ah, Wh're not sure
what's going on, but how often here's the true bide?
Folks come on like it?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
But with your shows? Wait, where are you going? No,
we're not done yet, mister president, We're not done yet.
What at your shows? Though, at the very end you
get this, everybody just starts yelling out names.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
People do if I don't get him, like, I forget
to do Steven A. Smith sometimes and I understand I
do I do Steven a talk. I think you guys
talked about the show stephen A talking about Brownie after
the fact. I understand where you're going with super serious
stephen A. Oh yeah, where we're going with some of
these things. And we have to contemplate in perpetuity where
(41:37):
it just trails down the end and nothing and we're
wondering where it is.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
And then once you go down low then it gets
real serious.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Jay Farrow has like the super hyped up version, so
he's got that great. By the way, when we're walking,
I listened to the beginning of the show because I
wanted to hear how you guys talk about when Matt
Friend walked by and I never say hello to him.
I don't know him, but he's a very good Like
there's some he's great, there's him, there's Jay Farah, there's
a kid named Cameron Logs and my friend John Holmberg
(42:06):
might be one of the best I've ever seen. But
these there's like all kinds of impression people people doing
impressions on the internet now. But when Eric was like, oh,
looks mad Friend, like you're walking with me and the
most awkward here, Oh looks Matt fun He's a great
im pussion over. He'stright. I was like, I was like,
what is going on here? This is the most of it.
I thought it was kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
So we're coming back from dinner. We go into the
hotel and the big German is there, and all of
a sudden he sees this twenty seven year old Matt
Friend who has blown up the last.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Fantastic He's very, very good.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
And here's Eric the big German, going, oh my god,
that's mad Friend. He's the best impression. And then all
of a sudden, Frank there.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
Yeah, Eric's saying, oh wait a second. There's Airy Spirits,
he's incredible. There's Jay Farrell, what's he doing here? There's
Ross Markquad, They're incredible. Well, these are some of the
best people I've ever seen. Oh Free, what are you
doing tomorrow? Well, I'm already on the show as a
friend of the show, but now it seems that I've
gone down the ladder.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Do you know that I'm texting with Fritzy as we're
walking in the lobby, just say, Matt Friend I think
is staying at the hotel. We need to get him on.
Paulie is walking and texting Fritzy at the city so
we're walking with you, talking to you while we're going, Hey, Todd,
Matt friend is I think in the hotel. Let's see
if we can get him on. And then Fritzy goes, yeah,
(43:23):
I just heard from Paul, and Paul's right there next
to me. So we're we're doing that when we're walking
with you last night.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
I think it's funny. I'll walk by you guys at
the super Bowl and the guys, hey Frank, everybody keeps
going nobody text me yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
We walked into the lobby last night and Fritzy wasn't
gonna go to dinner, and all of a sudden, we
see Frank there.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Oh no, this this is what you don't know. I
planned it. No, See, that was me conniving my way
in that I was with Marvin. We were watching the
Yukon game, which is why where the crateon s Creton
pull over today? I wanted you to ask me why
what's with the What's with the Creighton they won last night?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Something Connecticut didn't move damn.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
He out of the blue. Marvin texted me last week
or early in the early last week. It was he
wanted to do a bet Arizona, which I should have
taken Oh he wanted to pie in the face. Bet
out of that. I was like, oh no, no, no,
we were supposed to be talking about F one. We're
supposed to be talking about Max for Stapping.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
I'll tell you what Oscar Piastre.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
I'll tell you what I mean.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
These guys.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
You ever see Chuck Leclerk, I'll tell you it's Charlotte
clairk Chuck Leaclark. That's what I said. Man, I don't
do French.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Is that where he's from?
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Where's he from? You guys don't even know.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Man, nobody knows where Charlotte Leclore is from.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
But I'll tell you what this guy. We do a
thing called the uh. You gotta go to the break
as I saw you grabbing the paper. But we do
this thing called the uh, the F one Experiences. And
I take my daughter as a huge F one fan,
and that's how I get most of my information, so
I know all types of She knows everything. But I'm
fifty one years old at this point, and I get
(45:00):
all the information run so I know little pieces. And
that's about it. But this is the first Vegas race
I've missed because I got to go work in Jackpot,
Nevada tonight, which is gonna be cool. But the uh
going to Jackpot, yeah yeah, which is much better than
lose your house Nevada. I'll tell you, I got a
moon over a little pron uh yeah, so where you
were there and lose your house Nevada.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
I know it's not good for radio, but it is
good for TV. You've been working on your Fritzy impersonation.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Yeah, it's not do any radio. I gotta get the voice.
Speaker 7 (45:34):
It's like a weird thing, like you swallow the bottom
part of your face.
Speaker 5 (45:38):
If you're that guy who could eat his face. It's
kind of like that. I've realized that Fritzi basically when
he talks, he gets himself and digs himself into a hole.
Then he's like you're in college doing an essay and
trying to fill a two thousand word essay and you've
only got five hundred words. He's just feeling. He's changing
the margins and filling in words and saying the same
thing over and over and over. He actually we're talk
(46:00):
talking over there. He decided he was done with the conversation.
He was going to He clapped and okay, all right, yeah,
Paul if Frank was telling me about the texts and
the emails he gets from Fritzy that are just the
minimum of care. I don't understand, Like, I think you
really believe you're being nice, but it's so abrupt. Really, yeah,
(46:22):
like I told you about that. I told you about
doing Jim Gray's fiftieth birthday party years ago. Muhammad Ali
was there, doctor j Bill Walton, all these shaps. He goes, uh,
pretty relevant party, fun to be at. Like it's just
I thought, I said, that would have been a great
thing to right, It would have been fun, would have
been a fun would have been a great experience. So
(46:43):
I try to be extra nice that it comes across,
and somehow kind of it does. I don't know why
I got to work. That's not what I want to do.
That's not who you are.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
You can I think you're kind descending like kind descending
like you're not necessarily you don't mean it, but you
you're kind, but you it's sounding.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
Somehow morph sense of fake kindness or something which is
not a good thing. It's just the opposite of kindness.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
By the time it's done, he's Frank Kaledendo
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio, Ross Tucker Football Podcast. Follow him on social
media at Ross Tucker NFL. In the booth for the
Browns and the Raiders This Sunday, yay, we get to
talk about Shador Sanders and I have a reason to here, Ross,
good to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
What do you hope to see from Shador Sanders this Sunday?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I guess just making strides and improvement, and I think
that he definitely will look better than he did on
Sunday against the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Although I would also say this, Dan, I think if
you watched each play and the coaching.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Tape of each play, it looked a lot better to
me than when I just saw the stats. You know,
you initially see four of sixteen interception whatever. When I watched,
I thought it was better than that. You know, he
made some really good throws. They very much struggled to
pick up the blitzes that the Ravens were bringing it him.
(01:01):
I mean they threw the kitchen sink at him, and
not just at him, They threw the kitchen sink at
the Browns offense, and the Browns offense did not do
a very good job of picking it up and putting
Shador in a better position to succeed. I think we're
all just excited to see what does it look like
when the whole game plan is designed for his strengths
(01:23):
and to mitigate his weaknesses. He gets every rep this
week throwing the ball to Jerry Judy.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And those guys.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I'll say this, Dame, we can't look at this one
game and make a definitive judgment as to what his
NFL career is going to be. But I am really excited,
like everybody is, to see what he can do with
having everything aligned for him, at least for this week.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, I think everybody seems to pick a side with
this topic. I just said, let the kid play, that's all.
I just don't want the media to make him into
Tim Tebow. That you're not good enough to start, but
there's too much of a distraction to keep you on
a roster because I remember when Tebow did he go
to the Patriots and I go, how do you cut
Tim Tebow?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You get to that point and head coach doesn't want
to be dealing with that. I hope Chador can show
us that he can either play or he can't play
because you're gonna put so much pressure on it. Head
coach that he's got to deal with the Chador situation,
and I agree with you. When I'm watching that game
he had no time, I would tell him, you got
(02:30):
a clock in your head that if it's not there
in three seconds, throw it away. Don't try to make
a play. You're not athletic enough, you're not your dad.
You got three seconds at the most, and Max Crosby's
coming after you, so get it, read it, get rid
of it, and live to see another play.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Your thoughts, well, it's funny that you mentioned, you know,
the Tebow effect, because most people I talk to thought
he was like a late first round, early second round pick.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So I believe that that.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You know, maybe he didn't nail the pre draft process,
and you talk to people and they'll tell you that.
But I still do think that how popular he is,
or how polarizing, whatever word you want to use, I
do think that contributed to his fall on the draft
because I think people said, Okay, if he's not going.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
To be the starter, we.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Don't want the most talked about person on our team
to be a rookie second or third string quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
And you know, Dan, I think I told you this.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I've never experienced anything like this calling games, but last
year I did Colorado Colorado State on TV for CBS,
and Dan, I don't know if it's real people or
it's bots or what, but if you say anything positive
about Shador, there's a weird group of people or bots
(03:53):
or whatever. They jump down your throat right away. That
was an easy pass the receiver may to play. He's
not good. And then if you say anything negative about Shador,
there's a whole other like group of people or FOT.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Army or whatever. Nobody's just kind of like relaxed with him.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
It's it's the strangest thing that And I guess I
can see how someone has supporters that are that strong.
The weird part of it, to me is this group
of detractors that seem so invested in him not performing well.
I have never experienced it like that any other game.
After the game, I looked at my social media mentioned
(04:36):
and it's like people were big mad no matter what
I said.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You know, it's agenda base coverage. I see members of
the media, it's agenda base that they want to have.
They have a relationship probably with Dion. You want to
stay in good favor with him. It feels like they're
fighting for Dion and Shador and kind of carrying the
water or the complete opposite. And as I've said on
(05:01):
the show, I voted him third in the Heisman. I
thought of him that much. That he played behind a
bad line, hung in there, took some big hits, put
up some big numbers, and I just said, I think
he's going to start this year. Give him a chance.
Let's just see if the kid can play. It's hard
enough to play the position. Now everybody is going to
be watching you, and everything you do is going to
(05:22):
be scrutinized. Now. Has he invited this? Yes, Dion joined
us in New Orleans at the Super Bowl and he
told us he was dictating the draft of where his
son would go or not go. So they kind of
put themselves in this position. And it's ironic that he
makes his first start with the team I thought was
going to draft him, the Raiders, and they passed him up.
(05:45):
And Tom Brady has known Dion and Shadoor. He is
mentored Shador, and Tom is a minority owner of the Raiders,
And it told me an awful lot that a team
that could use a backup quarterback and maybe an eventual
successor to Gino Smith. They passed on him, I think,
you know five or six times.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah, well a lot of He was passed on him
a lot of times.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Although there have been reports that have.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Come out that evidently, you know, he and Dion told
certain teams not to take him because.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
They didn't want to go somewhere where they had an
established starter.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
How accurate those reports are or aren't.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I'm with you, though, did I get that Lamar Jackson
he didn't want to go to the Ravens because they
haven't established starter. That's Lamar Jackson with Gino Smith and
the Raiders and Tom Brady. That to me is a
great That would have been a great landing spot.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Especially with how Gino Smith has struggled this year. Which
is one of the interesting things about the Raiders is
I think they brought in Pete Carroll and Gino Smith
to kind of change the culture right and to get
a winning culture and to be competitive. But they're not competitive,
and yet they're not really playing their young guys yet either.
(07:00):
I still think Pete Carroll's trying to flip the culture
that both these teams are in really really fascinating position.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Is Pete Carroll coaching for his job this year?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Well, I would imagine that everything's on the table for
the Raiders at the end of this year, you know, quarterback,
head coach, because if you brought in Pete Carroll for
credibility and to write the ship.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I don't think that they had delusions of grandeur of.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Being a playoff team this year, but they had been
so down for so long.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I think the goal was with.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Gino and Pete, we can be a seven to eight
win team and start to build this thing the right
way and change.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
The culture here. And unfortunately, for a number of different reasons,
it just it hasn't happened for him.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Here's another thing I don't understand. I love Dashton Genty,
I love the pick, but I love the pick when
I have a good offensive line. I want to have
a good offensive line first before I draft a running back.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, so there's a couple things there. Number one is
their offensive line is not good. Their best player, Colton
Miller's hurt, probably their second most talented JPJ, the right guard,
he's hurt, you know, watching.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Them against the Cowboys Monday night.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
I'm not sure they have a guy starting Dan that
is an average starter right now in the NFL. I
mean maybe Parm at left guard or Glaze at right tackle.
The other thing that's interesting though about Gent and I
you know, I someday I called the Lions Eagles game
for Westwood One, and.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I'm watching that game and I'm thinking about Gent.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
You know, usually if you're like a top fifteen pick
as a running back, it's Saquon, Bijon Robinson, Jamiir Gibbs.
Like you are electric. I mean when you Dan, you
can feel when Jamiir Gibbs has the ball, he's operating
a different speed anybody else out there that's not really genty.
(09:03):
Gent is like an incredible tackle breaker and making people miss.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
But he's not. He's not operating in a different speed
out there.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
He doesn't have that level of explosiveness, which I think
makes him interesting as a sixth overall pick.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, the Raiders are a mess right now. Pro Football
Focus has that offensive line ranked thirty first. We're talking
to Ross Tucker the Ross Tucker Football podcast, available on
social media at Ross Tucker NFL. He'll be on the
call for the Raiders and the Cleveland Browns. You got
the Bills and the Texans tonight. This is kind of
interesting with that great defense by the Texans. I don't
(09:39):
know how good the Bills are. I don't know how
good the Texans are either. Texans are a five and
five no c J start. So how do you can't
handicap this that the Bills are favored by five and
a half at the Texans against one of the best
defenses in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Well, I think the two best deep well, I will
say the three best defenses right now would be the Browns,
the Texans, and the way that he to play these
last two games, holding both the Packers and Lions under
double digits. But the Texans edge, rushers, corners, they are elite.
This is a major, major challenge for the Bills. And
(10:13):
I know that Josh Allen had six touchdowns on Sunday
against the Bucks, but he also had two pretty bad interceptions.
And so this is one where the Bills might have
to win it ugly.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
They might have to win it with defense, They might
have to kind of win it.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Nineteen sixteen, sixteen thirteen, And that's okay, you know that
works as well.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Buffalo's defense is a start.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
He's won the first two and he's kind of saved
the Texans season. If they lost either one of those,
they would probably be done. But they are still very
much alive because Davis Mills has done what you want
a backup quarterback to do, which is come in and
not be the reason why the team loses the game.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Buffalo's defense, yikes.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
They've lost some guys at Oliver Michael Hoyt that I
think they were really counting on. You know, it's wild
because right now, Dan, you know, it's looking like the
Bills and Chiefs, maybe even the Ravens are gonna be
wild cards.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
But what are people.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Really gonna predict if it's the Chiefs in a wild
card game at New England or at Indy or at Denver.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean, we just had it Sunday.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
The five and five Chiefs were three and a half
point favorites on the road against the nine and two Broncos.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
So what they're telling.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
You is, yeah, we know there's this group of teams
at the top that have these nine and two, eight
and two records, and we know where the Bills, Ravens
and Chiefs are.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
But the betting public or the pros or whoever.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
When it really comes down to it in the playoffs,
people are still going to believe that Daniel Jones and
May and those guys Bonnicks beat Josh Allen Lamar and
Mahomes in the playoffs when they see I don't think
it could be a ton of people picking those home
favorites in those playoff games.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
What do you think your opinion is going to be
if the Cowboys happened to beat the Eagles this Sunday.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I think if the Cowboys beat the Eagles, my opinion
will be I will say I was a little bit
wrong about Jerry Jones trading for quinnin Williams. I did
not think it made a whole lot of sense to
make that move in the middle of what felt like
a lost season, but coming out to win against the
Raiders where they looked a lot better on that side
(12:39):
of the ball. If they now beat the Eagles and
they win back to back and they're very much in
the playoff mix for the rest of this season, then
I'll tip my cap to Jerry Jones and I'll say
kudos to him for not giving up on the season
and letting those guys have a chance to really make
a run at this thing because that offense, with that
(13:00):
old line and Dak and those receivers, they have a
puncher's chance in any game they play. So if the
defense can just be average and they were better than
average Monday night in Vegas, if the defense can just
be average and they get to the playoffs, they could
be a scary out for somebody.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You know, I was just thinking about this. Is Miles
Garrett gonna be the defensive version of Joe Thomas in Cleveland,
where first ballot Hall of Famer but has nothing to
show in his resume.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yes, yeah, I mean he already is. You know, think
about this.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I think right now, and they might even be the
betting favorites, But I think right now, Miles Garrett's the
defensive player of the year clearly. I think Carson Schweeshinger,
their rookie linebacker, is the defensive rookie of the year.
They're two and eight, I mean, the defensive player of
the year and defensive rookie of the year on a.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Two and eight team. I can't begin.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
To explain Dan how crazy what Miles Garrett's doing is.
For two reasons. Number one. They never have a lead.
You know, he's never able to just tee off for
the whole fourth quarter because they have a two score lead.
You know, the other team's throwing it. These are sacks
(14:16):
in regular down and distance. He doesn't have a chance
to just pin his years back. Secondly, the entire week
the Raiders this week, all they're talking about is we're
not gonna let Miles beat us. We're not gonna let
it be Miles. We're gonna chip, we're gonna slide to them,
we're gonna bring the tight end over, we're gonna have
(14:37):
a running back b gap like the whole For him
to do what he does every week, when I know
for a fact, having been a former offensive lineman, that
he's the guy that you talk about in game plan
and say we're not gonna let him ruin the game,
and yet he still ruins games, is unbelievably impressive.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Safe travels. Always great to talk to you, buddy. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, maybe i'll wave as our planes cross tomorrow as
I'm flying to Vegas, you guys are flying back, I'll
wave to you guys.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
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analyst and he'll be on the call for the Browns
and the Raiders.
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Speaker 2 (15:52):
Away seating with a mystery email or text message from
your wife? Can you give that to us and then
we'll get to a new Brisco Maybe she can help
answer this question. I think she can.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Okay, Yeah, So I just got a text from my
wife during the show and the text says read this
post in some.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Of the comments. Oh no, and it's a tweet.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
It's a link to a tweet, and the tweet says
being five nine to five eleven is the worst height
for men. You're not tall enough to coast the dating
market on easy Street, yet not short enough to be
single mindedly driven to become a billionaire.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So I'm five eleven in three quarters.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
I fall right into that window of this is the
worst height for men because you're just kind of average.
You're not really tall so very attractive, and you're not
short enough to just become a billionaire.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Should I tell you that?
Speaker 9 (16:43):
My husband is like maybe five eight, Like if I'm
five to seven, he's like maybe five.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Eight, all right, Yeah, but he's a race car driver. Yes,
so that comes.
Speaker 9 (16:53):
In handy, Okay, So like it got him like the
edge there because he's small and he can fit inside
the cars.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, it's like he's a dan atte. I mean he
actually aspired to do something greater than that.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
According to this, he's on the fast track to being
a billionaire.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I mean that sounds great, that sounds amazing.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Yeah, I don't know about the fast track part of it.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
So then you start reading the I started reading the comments.
The first one says five ten is like one hundred
and fifty k year. Comfortable but not impressive.
Speaker 9 (17:21):
Okay, this is kind of average, right, kind of average.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
I guess average.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeahs.
Speaker 9 (17:26):
If you ask a woman what's the ideal height, she's
probably gonna say six foot six two.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Six TWOI ish, right, yeah, I mean that's what they're
hoping for.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
So I lie, like every five to eleven guy in
the world lies and says they're sixth foot.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, everybody does. How about a full intro here, Nicole
Brisco the Sports center anchor, Formula one reporter, eleven o'clock
Eastern Sports Center. We used to watch you in the morning, yeah,
Randy Scott, Yes, yes, soon you might lead him.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
Oh, you know, essentially the overnight.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Oh yeah. ESPN will televise the Las Vegas grund Priat
of An Eastern this Saturday. What should we know going
into this race?
Speaker 8 (18:04):
Oh god, that's an open ended question. What should you know?
Speaker 9 (18:07):
You should know that this is year three in Vegas
and this event has changed so much since you're one
to now. But this will likely be the coldest race
of the season, which could absolute havoc in terms of
grip and the way the cars handle on the track.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
But historically this has been one of the best races
of the year. There's a lot of passing.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
There's normally, like you know, passing can be difficult. So
just like buckle buckle, buckle up, it's.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Gonna be a good it's gonna be a good weekend.
We just need the rain to stay away.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
But I wondered about that because NASCAR is built on,
you know, the drama of passing, and you know that's also.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Oval racing, so it's completely different.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
But what I'm saying is Formula one doesn't have that
many elements of passing.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
It doesn't, so you have to take Formula One in
sort of like in sections, you have of the front
of the pack, you have the midfield.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
Guys and you guys are at the back. There is
passing within the groups. There is competition within the groups.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
But the likelihood that say a mid pack team is
going to take it to McLaren probably not. But a Ferrari,
a Mercedes like George Russell ran away with this race
last year, they could easily be on the move against
like a red Bull this weekend and then you could
have an interesting battle in the midpack. So there is passing,
(19:29):
it just may not look like it from top to bottom.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
The driver and the car give me the ratio of
you know, may have this in horse racing, may have
this in a lot of things. So how would you
assess that ratio of how good is my driver, how
good is my car?
Speaker 9 (19:46):
You can't have You cannot have it all without having
the best of both worlds.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
You really can't.
Speaker 9 (19:52):
And I think there are some drivers who can like
make up that gap you've got.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
I think Max Verstappan is probably.
Speaker 9 (19:59):
The best example of this, because I've always said I
feel like Max can drive a shoe box. And I
think this year, in a lot of ways, has almost
cemented his legacy as one of the greatest drivers of
all time, because in years past he probably had the best.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
Car and he ran away with the championship. At the
beginning of this year, the Red Bull was sort of
like it was terrible.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
And he was still making things happen with it, and
you'd watch the onboard sometime and you'd be like, how
the hell is he driving that car? Let alone like
putting it near the front, being competitive with it.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
And so if you look at what they've done.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
Since they've made the upgrades, you've taken this world class
generational talent and a driver, and then you've taken a
great car and they've taken a guy who five races
into the season was like I am out of this championship,
and now he's very much in contention for the championship.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
So you have to have that. You look at McLaren.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
They have two great drivers and they've made so much
improvements to their car and that's put them in the
front of the field.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
But if the car falls off, then I.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
Don't really know if they're in the same position.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Is this it has to.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
Be a solid relationship between the two.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
We love to do greatest of all time rankings here, Yes,
Lewis Hamilton, goat uh.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
So you have to It's a little bit like in
the NBA, Like I'm a nineties kid, so like I
personally say all greatest of all time conversations starting in
with Michael Jordan, you do have to think generationally.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
You can't have like the the.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
Michael Schumacher era is not the same as the that
the era now. So when you're talking about the greatest
of all time, I think you have to include Schumacher.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
You have to include some of the guys from before that,
and then yes, Lewis Hamilton. But I also think you make.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
A case already for for Max Verstappen. You could look
at some of the things that Sebastian Vettel did, and
you win four straight championships and it is still the
youngest champion ever. It's it's an interesting sport and it
produces a lot of greats.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
I mean, it's the it's the pinnacle of motorsports.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
But how do you grow up and say I want
to be a Formula One driver. We go, I want
to be a quarterback, I want to be a pitcher.
You know that seems to.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Be you have a bajillion dollars.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
That's usually a good place, sister.
Speaker 9 (22:11):
I mean, honestly, you're talking at the end of the day,
you're talking this year the twenty best in the world.
Next year to be twenty two because Cadillac is coming
on board. But essentially, they begin driving at this tall
you know, they're four when they get into a Jeff Gordon, Yes, exactly.
(22:33):
You start at this age and it's a little bit
like you know, you watch a guy who's like a
hockey player, they're skating before they're walking. These guys are
driving before they're doing anything else, and it's very cute
when they're little, but This is an incredibly expensive sport
and most of the time it has to come from
like your family or your sponsors. And unless you are
(22:55):
good at it, you cannot advance because no.
Speaker 8 (22:58):
One's going to back you.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
And the amount of money takes to be where these
people are now is just it's absurd.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What do they make? Kind of money are we talking about?
Speaker 9 (23:08):
Like, I mean, I don't I think when you look
at like sponsorships and things like that, I don't think
it's out of the remot possibility to say.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
For Stabbin brings in eighty million dollars a year. That's
my guess.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
They don't have a salary cap for UNA one.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
Well, they do have a cost cap, and so those
things and the nuances of that I can't totally give you.
Speaker 8 (23:28):
But there is a cost gap, so they do have
to operate within the budget.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
But I don't know if the driver's salaries are included
in that.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
I'm pretty sure they're not.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
We're talking to Nicole Brisco, the sports center anchor, Formula
one reporter. ESPN will televise the Las Vegas Grand Prix
at eleven Eastern on Saturday. What do you remember about
your first sports center?
Speaker 8 (23:47):
Oh, my god, like so freaking nervous because McQuaid called me.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Mike McQuaid runs, yes, yeah, right exactly.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
So I had been at ESPN for what seven or
eight years because I had been doing the NASCAR stuff,
and then when our NASCAR contract ended, they were like,
come do Sports Center. So I was like, that sounds
like a nine to five job, considering you know, all
the travel, and like in our world, it kind of.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
Is because it's it's sort of normal.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
And so I was there and I was doing like
the rookie orientation even though I'd been with the company
seven or eight years at this point, and McQuaid calls
me and he's like, we've.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
Had a stick call. We've got nobody left, and I
was like great, cool. He's like, go go do this show.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And this is his voice too, because like it's.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
Just like nothing like if he smiles at you, it's
more like a grimace.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
And you're like, I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
But also I will say this about him, like we
give him a lot of he's the kind of person
like I don't think he'll ever ask you to do
something he himself wouldn't do.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
So like you kind of want to work for the guy.
Speaker 9 (24:46):
I remember being nervous, feeling like I had never worked
in TV before.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
Shot sheets, You're like, what the hell is this? Like
like stuff. It's like when they say.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
About the game of like football, right like you move
from level to the next and you're like, well, the
game is finally slowed down. The game was like in
hyper speed on that day one, and now I'm like,
it's you know, it's now it's slowed down.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Did you watch your performance back?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
No, like from day one? Oh god no, No, not
that one. I've watched others, but that one. I was
just like, you know what, we're gonna We're gonna remember this.
We're gonna live in the moment, and then we're gonna
I know.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Like you know, you let's show Nicole stop.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
Like you know when you make mistakes, like you know, so,
I mean, you're just sort of honest. And I think
it was February fourteenth. I knew the mistakes that I made,
and I thought, I know where I need to improve,
and so you just sort of like build on on that.
And I was just like I'm gonna I'm gonna enjoy it.
And that's that's what that That's why I take away
(25:50):
from that one.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I used to watch the show back every single night.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Well, I but I.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Do now because it's most of the time I'm on
the rear, so we close and then I watch it
on the way home, and so I watch.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
It every night. Essentially, don't know.
Speaker 9 (26:09):
So okay, because you know that you tape stuff and
so like, sometimes you tape stuff and you've got segments
and then you don't really know how it comes together.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
Yeah, so sometimes I watched for that to see.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Oh, that's what that looked like, that's how it came together.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
What's a different sports center now?
Speaker 8 (26:26):
It is?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes, But you know, doing the eleven for such a
long period of time, I got I was so fixated
on making it perfect. You can't though, I know, but
that's why you got to stop it, you know. I
was noticing my tie delivery on you know, a pitch
to a home run like it had to be. It
(26:48):
was really minutia.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
I guess maybe I'm not that much of a perfectionist,
and I think to an extent, there is part of
that that has made me feel more comfortable in the
the role. I think it's good to have that, yes,
because you get to a point where you're very comfortable
with who you are. You kind of don't give a
you know what about what other people think anymore because
(27:11):
you're you're in your own skin, you know how you
want to sound, you know who you are, and you
stop trying to.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Impress everybody because you know your own worth. Like you're
there for a reason.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
And so if you can go out there and you
can have fun, yes you're gonna make mistakes, but like,
when you think about it, we're talking and in the
course of a conversation, how many times do you fumble
your word, just in the normal course of conversation, Like
that's a normal human experience. And if you expect yourself
to go out there over the course of what forty
two minutes and be perfect, it's an unrealistic expectation and
(27:45):
you're just automatically setting yourself up to fail.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
So I think I let go of that. But yes,
it's very easy to do it. Just be like, no,
you sucked on that one.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, I did it until I was reminded that you
got the job right. That's what it took because I
kept you know how competitive it is in that building
just a little bit, and it can be backstabbing. Everybody
wants your job, and you know, I was like, nobody's
gonna catch me. I'm not gonna let anybody catch me.
But I was not myself until I was told you
(28:16):
have the child hub. But this was a couple of
years into it.
Speaker 9 (28:20):
Oh No, I definitely felt that way because I had
my youngest is nine nine and a half, and I
had her fairly early on into my like sports center career,
and I really took the minimum amount of time off
because you're just at that point. I was like, I
was just starting to like find a groove and whatever.
(28:42):
And even though the idea the concept of like not
taking time off to heal from having a baby like
is ridiculous, I felt the need to get back as
soon as I could because.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
There's always somebody else waiting in the wings.
Speaker 9 (28:55):
Always the next generation is there, the next person, and
so you feel like you have to justify your existence
all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
My son, him and his wife just had a baby,
so he gets three months off.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Okay, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And he said, Dad, how long did you take when
he was my first born? I said, I think I
took the weekend off. Yeah, And then I went back
to work and we had four kids under.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
Seven, which is insane.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yes, but of course I wanted to go back to work.
I didn't want to stay at home. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
I actually had like a human attached to me, So
it was a little carter, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
But I think I already had a nation attached to me.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
Yes, okay, fine, I think I took I think I
took five weeks with Blake, and I think I took
about the same with Finley. But the difference with Finley
was now twelve.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
She actually traveled.
Speaker 9 (29:44):
With me for the first year of her life because
that was that was the easier thing to do because
we were still on NASCAR back then.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
This business is wild, telling you that it's very glamorous.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I always tell people you don't want to go into
this business. You think you do, but once you get in,
do you know that?
Speaker 8 (30:02):
That was actually the first career advice I got.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
Like I was in college and it was like doing
a basic communications course and the professor was like, what
do you want to be when you grow up? And
I gave my whole spuel of blah blah blah blah,
and he he was like, go get an internship. Now,
he was like because I know so many people who
think they're getting into the business and they think they're
getting one thing, and what they actually get is not reality.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
He's like, you may.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
Hate it, and so I did, and then that's sort
of what started the ball rolling on my actual career.
But it's because I had this cynical professor who was like,
this business sucks.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
You know, it's a tough business. It is, yeah, but
you know, I find people who want to be lawyers,
and then they become lawyers and they go, I don't
want to be a lawyer.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
Yes, I have a friend who did that same thing.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Thanks for joining us, Thank you for having me. It's
great to meet you.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
Yeah you too.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Nicole Brisco the Sports Center anchor Formula One reporter once
again in the Mothership, will televise Las Vegas Grand Prix.
They hate when I say the Mothership.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
At the moment, we still call it the Mothership, don't you.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I mean? Yeah, yes. Eleven Eastern coming up this Saturday.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
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the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to
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Speaker 2 (31:17):
Frank Kelliendo where as Terry Bradshaw said, is Frank Kella Edendo.
He's performing New Year's Eve at the Tempe Improv in
Arizona doing shows. He's at the Funny Bone in Omaha
January twenty third, twenty fourth, Off the Hook Comedy Club
in Naples, Florida, January thirtieth, thirty first. All tickets can
be purchased at Frank on stage dot com. Great see
(31:39):
you again. I mentioned that going to dinner with you
is like going to dinner with five or six different people.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
So well, it happens a lot, like little bits of
stories happen right like we were talking about that. I'll
get to the full story eventually on here. But just
hanging out with William Shatner. I was with him at
an event the other day. I kept trying to lock
eyes with him and try to get him fight. There
was a kind of like what's the problem. I don't know.
He's like, I don't talk the way people say I talk.
(32:08):
Why do they do that? Why do they say I
speakless way? I'm like, you're ninety four, I know why
am i awagrahad ninety four? But people tend to do that.
Captain's Lug that kind of thing. And when he just talks,
he just talks like this, But you can't help from
wanting to.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Talk like it.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
But point of view, when you impersonate somebody, imitate somebody,
but then what are you going to say when you
use that voice like the context of it? How difficult
is that?
Speaker 5 (32:39):
I think that's one of the most difficult things, because
otherwise you're just a parrot. Right if you're doing the
voice of the person, you're not trying, you're not finding
something funny with it. We were talking about Charlie Sheen
on the show a couple when he was on the
show a couple of weeks ago, and you, I was
a setan that noticed the same thing that he would
repeat the question back that you would ask, yeah, I
(33:00):
U I uh, I asked that. Huh I said that okay,
and did that go well? No, all right, okay.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And then if people watch this, you say, so you're
seeing people to.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
This, saw people saw me and you didn't enjoy it?
Or you did did I? Did I kill somebody? Did
somebody die?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But in fairness to him, he doesn't remember, though.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Friend, No, that was the amazing I made it. I
did a little social media post that was based on that.
It was Halloween candies and he would he had pixie sticks.
I was like, those straws with sugar in them, that
is sugar. That's what that is. Is that sugar? And
it was from this your interview with him that I
was like, I picked up that he says something. The
questions it afterward, like is that is that right or not? Okay?
(33:46):
All right? I was alive during this, right. So it's
it's it's finding those little pieces. Terry Bradshaw was easy,
not fun if Frank not funny, Charles Barker thinks everything
is terrible, not damn, that's really really bad, and the
show is not cheating.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
You know.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
So it's if you find those little things, what does
the person do? The old school ones seem to be
a lot easier. I think the newer people are a
little more difficult because people have like the wide rate,
like de Niro's become uh, you know, a caricature of himself.
Everybody does that? Okay, what doing that?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Now?
Speaker 5 (34:20):
He does that? He's in the movie Here we Go.
Samuel L. Jackson has a cadence. They the writers write
the cadence. It's the dud duh dead du da da
and you you know there's certain words in there too, right,
But that's the that's the song about how many Christopher
Walkins have you heard? Low high in the middle? But
you know who it is, right because of that little
(34:43):
song that they sing.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Does Gruden know that he's doing Gruden when he talks?
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Uh? I think I think no. I don't know why.
I can't really tell, but he's he's into it so much.
I mean, he is Gruden times a million. I mean
when he was a coach, there were a lot of
people that you know, it was. It was a love
and hate kind of thing. Now people just seem to
love him. He's opening boxes every year. We gotta here, man,
(35:11):
let's open this thing up. It's gonna be pretty good
right here. Man. I tell you what, He's one of
those guys that gets excited out of nowhere when I
when I did that hard knocks with him, I'm gonna
yell for no reason?
Speaker 8 (35:20):
Man?
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Why am I mad? Right now?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
So you don't think Gruden's playing Gruden.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
I think he just is free. I think he's free
in just doing what he wants to do. I think
that's kind of it. He's just free to be himself,
like he would do crazy things on Monday night football
when when he was there there were some certain and
he just is doing that type of stuff all the time,
but you can't. It's one of those guys that hit
you when he talks. Yeah, man, you like that? Huh yeah,
(35:47):
be careful. You ever see his hands? His hands sounds
like wreck at Ralph for something like that. They're just massive.
You know, he's puts them up. He's doing this kind
of thing like he's doing a magic reveal here. We
call this the Prestige.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
You ever get thirteen.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Minutes into that movie, man, I'll tell you what, it's
a pretty good one. That should see the ending tricks.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yet, when do you know when to retire somebody?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Uh, I don't know. I bring him back little bits.
I mean that that's That's one of the things is like.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Is John Madden always going to be.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Well with the Madden movie coming back? And I think
I'll talk to you guys about that. That'll be big again.
I mean it's like and they I don't know if
I brought this up to you guys before, but they
asked me to audition for that movie for the part
of Howard Cosell like I wasn't gonna get it, but
I think they just wanted me to talk to Nicholas
Cage about being Do you know if I talked about this?
But I guess I could just tell the story again.
But it was like it was I got a text
(36:38):
from my agent, h Nicholas Cage and the director want
to call it. You want to do a zoom call
with you. I'm like no, Like what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (36:48):
I'm like, no, I want to hang out with Nicholas
Cage if I'm gonna give him the recipe of the
Madden I want to hang out with Nicholas Cage in Vegas.
I want to do Leslie Stall Walk and Talk. I
want to write Sidecar to the ghost Rider. I want
to be there. I want to hear him to show
me his exotic animals. Like here's my monitor lizard. What
would John Madden say to this monitor lizard? We're gonna
steal the Declaration of Independence? Ool. So it's like I
(37:11):
wanted that kind of a thing. I didn't want to
do a zoom E's static, you know, and he could
get out of it at any time. I wanted to force
him to have to and That's probably why they didn't
do it. Was they they didn't want to take that time.
But John Mann never liked me. He finally kind of
turned around when I met him at the super Bowl
years later, but it wasn't I didn't know anything about
him like that. I think they were trying to do research,
(37:31):
and that's what it was gonna be. They were gonna
try and ask me a bunch of questions about John Man,
like I didn't really know him. I just met him once.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Do you do a Howard Cosell?
Speaker 5 (37:39):
I don't, And it was this is Howard coach. I mean,
it would be that and bad the whole time. And
one of the reasons I don't do is because it's
so old that some of the impressions I've done throughout
the years, I'm like, well, this is like you said
you when you retire them. Well, that Howard Cosell was,
you know, two generations before John Madden. So I don't know.
It gets a little weird there, and who remembers only
(38:01):
the oldest of people. Remember you do Howard Cosell on
a TikTok video? Nobody cares? I mean that. Then the
the next thing that plays, because you're in the algorithm,
is uh, Billy Crystal doing it from forty years sixty
years ago. I didn't even know you could do it anymore.
So I threw it by Crystal.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
And you know, with a comedian, it's trickier. If you're
in a band and you play the hits, well, then
you get to play the hits the next place, in
the next place. But as a comedian, like in a
year from now, you can't have the same stand up
act say.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
It's to evolve and and people and people's voices changed.
By the way, this this the founder Blue Hotel. I
told you this when you texted me about coming here.
This is my go to hotel and it's because of
your show. I listen when you guys were here at
the super Bowl a couple of years ago. I heard
you there. We were coming for NBA uh Summer League,
(38:54):
and I was like, where should we stay? My son?
I look, Oh, that's uh, that founded Blue and I'm like,
that's where Dan was. It's got gotta be good if
the if the if Dan's there, so uh And we
looked at the price and were like, holy cow, we
were here. We actually booked another place to go afterward,
like we're going back to fund of Blue, like because
we didn't know what it was going to be, like
we checked out, we ended up coming back and now
(39:14):
this is this is where I stay most of the time.
So where was I going with? That?
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
We were we were talking about that.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Oh well, voice has changed too, So here's here's another
thing too. So if you heard on the TV's that's
what made me think of Mountain Blue on the TV's
the Hall of Excellent. I was gonna say, Brady, uh,
but that's playing and it's Morgan Freeman narrating it. But
he's ninety year old Morgan Freeman. Look how ol Lizae
Shatner's like, he's a young man. But if you listen
(39:41):
to Morgan Freeman now, he's much older man. He's like that,
this is Morgan Freeman. It's not that thing, you know.
Truth of the matter is, it's not that anymore. It's
even and not this isn't a political thing. But if
you listen to Donald Trump now, he doesn't have the
same voice he had ten years ago. Everybody, a lot
of people do that.
Speaker 10 (39:57):
Well you know that, big I do go ahead, the
very quiet the library, Trump with the tremendous books in
the library, the great books there with some of the
best words, and they get the greatest words, and these
words form something called sentences, and the sentences they end
up making sense.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
And we done. We don't? We don't. I like when
he does that?
Speaker 8 (40:16):
We know that that?
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Then I got to eaven it out with a little biden. Right, folks,
come on, what are you doing the thing?
Speaker 11 (40:23):
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Speaker 5 (40:28):
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Speaker 11 (40:32):
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Speaker 5 (40:41):
Defeated by Mario Luigi Romans. Folks, Ah, Wh're not sure
what's going on, but how often here's the true bide?
Folks come on like it?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
But with your shows? Wait, where are you going? No,
we're not done yet, mister president, We're not done yet.
What at your shows? Though, at the very end you
get this, everybody just starts yelling out names.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
People do if I don't get him, like, I forget
to do Steven A. Smith sometimes and I understand I
do I do Steven a talk. I think you guys
talked about the show stephen A talking about Brownie after
the fact. I understand where you're going with super serious
stephen A. Oh yeah, where we're going with some of
these things. And we have to contemplate in perpetuity where
(41:37):
it just trails down the end and nothing and we're
wondering where it is.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
And then once you go down low then it gets
real serious.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Jay Farrow has like the super hyped up version, so
he's got that great. By the way, when we're walking,
I listened to the beginning of the show because I
wanted to hear how you guys talk about when Matt
Friend walked by and I never say hello to him.
I don't know him, but he's a very good Like
there's some he's great, there's him, there's Jay Farah, there's
a kid named Cameron Logs and my friend John Holmberg
(42:06):
might be one of the best I've ever seen. But
these there's like all kinds of impression people people doing
impressions on the internet now. But when Eric was like, oh,
looks mad Friend, like you're walking with me and the
most awkward here, Oh looks Matt fun He's a great
im pussion over. He'stright. I was like, I was like,
what is going on here? This is the most of it.
I thought it was kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
So we're coming back from dinner. We go into the
hotel and the big German is there, and all of
a sudden he sees this twenty seven year old Matt
Friend who has blown up the last.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Fantastic He's very, very good.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
And here's Eric the big German, going, oh my god,
that's mad Friend. He's the best impression. And then all
of a sudden, Frank there.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
Yeah, Eric's saying, oh wait a second. There's Airy Spirits,
he's incredible. There's Jay Farrell, what's he doing here? There's
Ross Markquad, They're incredible. Well, these are some of the
best people I've ever seen. Oh Free, what are you
doing tomorrow? Well, I'm already on the show as a
friend of the show, but now it seems that I've
gone down the ladder.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Do you know that I'm texting with Fritzy as we're
walking in the lobby, just say, Matt Friend I think
is staying at the hotel. We need to get him on.
Paulie is walking and texting Fritzy at the city so
we're walking with you, talking to you while we're going, Hey, Todd,
Matt friend is I think in the hotel. Let's see
if we can get him on. And then Fritzy goes, yeah,
(43:23):
I just heard from Paul, and Paul's right there next
to me. So we're we're doing that when we're walking
with you last night.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
I think it's funny. I'll walk by you guys at
the super Bowl and the guys, hey Frank, everybody keeps
going nobody text me yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
We walked into the lobby last night and Fritzy wasn't
gonna go to dinner, and all of a sudden, we
see Frank there.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Oh no, this this is what you don't know. I
planned it. No, See, that was me conniving my way
in that I was with Marvin. We were watching the
Yukon game, which is why where the crateon s Creton
pull over today? I wanted you to ask me why
what's with the What's with the Creighton they won last night?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Something Connecticut didn't move damn.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
He out of the blue. Marvin texted me last week
or early in the early last week. It was he
wanted to do a bet Arizona, which I should have
taken Oh he wanted to pie in the face. Bet
out of that. I was like, oh no, no, no,
we were supposed to be talking about F one. We're
supposed to be talking about Max for Stapping.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
I'll tell you what Oscar Piastre.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
I'll tell you what I mean.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
These guys.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
You ever see Chuck Leclerk, I'll tell you it's Charlotte
clairk Chuck Leaclark. That's what I said. Man, I don't
do French.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Is that where he's from?
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Where's he from? You guys don't even know.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Man, nobody knows where Charlotte Leclore is from.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
But I'll tell you what this guy. We do a
thing called the uh. You gotta go to the break
as I saw you grabbing the paper. But we do
this thing called the uh, the F one Experiences. And
I take my daughter as a huge F one fan,
and that's how I get most of my information, so
I know all types of She knows everything. But I'm
fifty one years old at this point, and I get
(45:00):
all the information run so I know little pieces. And
that's about it. But this is the first Vegas race
I've missed because I got to go work in Jackpot,
Nevada tonight, which is gonna be cool. But the uh
going to Jackpot, yeah yeah, which is much better than
lose your house Nevada. I'll tell you, I got a
moon over a little pron uh yeah, so where you
were there and lose your house Nevada.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
I know it's not good for radio, but it is
good for TV. You've been working on your Fritzy impersonation.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Yeah, it's not do any radio. I gotta get the voice.
Speaker 7 (45:34):
It's like a weird thing, like you swallow the bottom
part of your face.
Speaker 5 (45:38):
If you're that guy who could eat his face. It's
kind of like that. I've realized that Fritzi basically when
he talks, he gets himself and digs himself into a hole.
Then he's like you're in college doing an essay and
trying to fill a two thousand word essay and you've
only got five hundred words. He's just feeling. He's changing
the margins and filling in words and saying the same
thing over and over and over. He actually we're talk
(46:00):
talking over there. He decided he was done with the conversation.
He was going to He clapped and okay, all right, yeah,
Paul if Frank was telling me about the texts and
the emails he gets from Fritzy that are just the
minimum of care. I don't understand, Like, I think you
really believe you're being nice, but it's so abrupt. Really, yeah,
(46:22):
like I told you about that. I told you about
doing Jim Gray's fiftieth birthday party years ago. Muhammad Ali
was there, doctor j Bill Walton, all these shaps. He goes, uh,
pretty relevant party, fun to be at. Like it's just
I thought, I said, that would have been a great
thing to right, It would have been fun, would have
been a fun would have been a great experience. So
(46:43):
I try to be extra nice that it comes across,
and somehow kind of it does. I don't know why
I got to work. That's not what I want to do.
That's not who you are.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
You can I think you're kind descending like kind descending
like you're not necessarily you don't mean it, but you
you're kind, but you it's sounding.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
Somehow morph sense of fake kindness or something which is
not a good thing. It's just the opposite of kindness.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
By the time it's done, he's Frank Kaledendo
Hosts And Creators
Todd "Fritzy" Fritz
Dan Patrick
Patrick "Seton" O'Connor
Paul Pabst
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