December 3, 2025 • 48 mins
DP and the Danettes discuss Penn State's ongoing head coaching vacancy. College football commentator Chris Fowler sees a landscape that is as uncertain as ever and doesn't think the committee sees a school's "brand" as important when ranking teams. NFL analyst Andrew Whitworth embraces Jaxson Dart's willingness to absorb hits, and shares who he would rather face as OT between Quinnen Williams and Micah Parsons.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Seaton will come up with the pole question, at least
for the first hour of this award nominated program. That's
my cue. That is your cue. You see right there. Okay,
we can use you back into this job. I know
you've been gone for a little while a little bit.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah, yeah, get my sea legs back a bit.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Press the button and the red light comes on. That's
on it, and then you speaking, oh wait, that's that
was a cough button. So if you were on the
college football committee, which Russia now would be most important
whilst ranking the teams, that's your cue.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
That This is from Paul. The word walst was used
in it. A team's resume, current chance to win the title,
or teams that will be best for ratings. I think
that this is very pointed at one specific matchup, but
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, and I'm curious what Chris Fowler will say about
this when he joins this like next hour or because
it is entertainment. You want ratings, you want Notre Dame
in there. There's a chance Notre Dame does not make
the college football playoffs. Now, there's some scenarios that have
to happen. But if I'm going to look at BYU
and Notre Dame straight up right now, BYU has the
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better resume. BYU has Texas Tech coming up this weekend.
Notre Dame doesn't play until their next game, which could
be a bowl game or a playoff game. But if
you're just looking the eye test, BYU as a better resume.
Now we've been matching up Notre Dame in Miami, and
I still think Notre Dame is a better team. I
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want a factor in how you play now. They did
have two losses. They did lose to Miami, they lost
at home to Texas Tech. But Texas to me is
playing as good to football as maybe anybody is right now.
But they have three losses and they went out and
scheduled Ohio State to start the year. If BYU doesn't
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have a game this weekend, is BYU going to be
in the college football playoffs? If Texas had one more
game and won the game, would they be in the playoffs?
See this is where it gets tricky with these conference
title games. I don't like them. I think it's a
money grab and I think at times it does hurt
some of these schools that if they do lose, then
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they're not going to be in the college football playoffs.
Not everybody has a conference championship game to play in.
I mean, he got Duke with five losses playing in
the ACC title game. But there's a chance the ACC
will I guess be on the outside looking in. Yeah, Pauling,
there's so.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Many semantics to this. Because Duke in Virginia, there's like
a loophole because Duke isn't currently ranked in the top
twenty five. They could beat Virginia and not be in.
There's a possibility of it because they're not ranked. It's
like a tax loophole.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's really weird, and it's National Signing Day and I
can't imagine how morale is in State Happy Valley because
we had Devin mccordyon from NBC Football Night in America,
former defensive back, and he said, you go to play
for the coach. Well, if you're going to go to
Penn State, who's your coach? And Kalani Sataki BYU head
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coach is going to stay at BYU. I guess a
big booster came in, Big Donor and said, you're not
going anywhere. You're one of us. And he's done a
really good job. I think BYU is a really good job.
If you look at the history of that program, very underrated.
You can look at forty years of BYU football and
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it's an underrated program. So he's going to stay there.
They're playing Texas Tech in the title game there and
maybe a chance to go into the playoffs. But for
Penn State, we said it at the time, Okay, you're
going to fire James Franklin. Who are you bringing in?
And it felt like we got to get rid of
James Franklin. We'll worry about that other stuff later on,
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and that's come back to haunt them.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, Paulie, it does feel like Penn State miscalculated their reputation.
Like we're Penn State, We're going to have our pick
of coaches because we're firing our head coach early. So
we're early in this process. And then like the Dominos
fell and a bunch of people passed, and it almost
like devalued the brand month by month.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, and you start to look at, Okay, maybe there's
somebody who is going to be coaching in the playoffs
and that's who you got your site set on. Maybe
it's an assistant coach who's there? Not sure. I thought
Brian Hartline, the offensive coordinator at Ohio State, might get
an opportunity. I think he was up for the Kentucky job,
and maybe maybe he does get a chance.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I don't think he's had any head coaching experience. I
do know he is a great recruiter. He certainly knows
what a great wide receiver looks like. If you Ohio
State's become wide receiver, Hugh, who would have thought that?
What he hayes? I can't imagine what he hayes if
somebody said, you know, they don't run the ball anywhere
near the way they used to. It's not three yards
in a cloud of dust. They throw the ball a lot.
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Are they good? Yeah they are, they're really good. Alrighty,
battle to cough here. So if I uh hit the
cough button a couple of times here, we'll try to
slug our way through this.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah it's going around.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, it stayed around.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
I've had this going.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Around and sticking around a little bit. Yeah, sorry to
hear that. Man.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's like, man, how did this happen again? It won't
leave me. It's like Todd, It's always there.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yes, ay, nineteen year cough. Apparently twenty two year cough.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah, paul there are worse diseases to bring home from
Vegas though historically you think about it the cold and
your your rough shape. But some of them clear up
a lot easier though.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Yeah, penicillin.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Penicillin knock that right out.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I had penicillin, you know, I had the shots. Had
the doctor came to my uh my hotel room. I
have to call her back, see if she'll give me
a drive by here. Yeah, Pauline, this could be an
early best week in sports. But what an opportunity for BYU.
You keep your coach from going to Penn State, which
you would think to be of reverse, you lose your
coach to Penn State. You could get in the playoffs
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this weekend by beating Texas Tech, and you could knock
Notre Dame possibly out of the playoffs, all in a
week's time for BYU football.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Interesting times though, And I know these coaches they rail
against this, but then the coaches are the ones who
can change this. And I mean, I don't know what
kind of reform we're going to have. And I'll talk
to Chris Fowler about this. That you know, we just
need to come up with a solution that works for everybody. Works.
Imagine National Signing Day. So imagine if you're a big
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time recruit and you were planning on going to Penn State. Well,
James Franklin goes to Virginia Tech. Well, now are you
going to follow James Franklin to Virginia Tech? And that's
what's happening. So we can talk about out current players,
the coaches, changing fan bases, and I mean all of
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these things. The high school kid. Nobody is factoring that in, Hey,
who's my coach? Where am I going? What other pole
questions do you have seton?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Well, we could go with one there sort of point
about BYU who will get in Notre Dame or BYU?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
And then who should.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Get in Notre Dame?
Speaker 7 (07:26):
BYU?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Okay, well by you should right now, but you know,
strength to schedule record. They're playing for a conference championship. Man,
I'd I'd be shocked if Notre Dame's not in. Yeah,
because you want to do everything you possibly can to
get Notre Dame in. You still want eyeballs, you still
want a great Cinderella story, and you'll probably have that.
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It has a way of sorting itself out. I know
that we always look at worst case scenario, and but
it just feels like whenever we talk about these scenarios,
it just seems to work its way out. I'd like
to have a little chaos. I'm okay with that. Yes, Marvin,
is Alabama in trouble if they get like housed by Georgia,
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I would say yes.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
I would say yes.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And although this isn't a dynamic Georgia team, but Alabama,
you need a good showing. And look, it's only a
two point spread, so they're expecting a close game.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, Paul, And the other team that's in the the
conference playoffs this weekend, the conference championships, Indiana, you need
a nice showing against Ohio State. Now you're obviously still
going to stay in the playoffs, but you know, the
downside is probably worse than the upside.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
This weekend for Indiana.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And Old Miss went up in the rankings, the standings
there with the College Football Selection Committee. I'm kind of
surprised at that. And then you got Charlie Weiss junior,
who was the defensive coordinator and he's now going to NSU.
But now he goes back to Ole Miss to be
the defensive coordinator during the playoff like a loaner. What
is going on? Yeah, and it's like a loaner.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Car is he looking at the Penn State job now?
Based off the strength of that.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I have no idea what's going on. But Lane had
to sign off on this, and then Ole Miss had
to sign on off on this, and then you get
our defensive coordinator, and then we're going to take him
back when the playoffs are over. All right, A couple
of phone calls in here, Chris and Syracuse leads us
off this morning. Hi Chris, what's on your mind?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Thanks Dan? Yeah, a couple things. You guys are talking
Penn State. You know, the Penn State coach coaching search
reminds me of the New York Knicks coaching search after
they fired Tom Thibodau last year. Both seemingly plumb jobs.
But you wonder if Penn State's going to be like
the Knicks and whoever they do end up hiring. It's
not really an upgrade. And I definitely think there's no
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way Lane Kippin should coach that game, the playoff game.
But he's got to be rolling his eyes a little
with new LSU coach Charlie Weiss junior allowed to.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, but and I don't understand the backroom dealings with this.
I don't want Charlie Weis junior there. I don't want
Lane Kiffin there. These are our guys, these are our coaches.
Let's go out and plague. But we did spend a
lot of time on Lane Kiff. And now there is
a player that we've been in contact with who said
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that Lane. You know, the players weren't all gung ho.
They wanted Lane Kiffin to stay there. And I think
some of that news came out. We had gotten word
a couple of days ago. But Lane makes it seem
like all those players wanted me, all the national media
wanted me to stay and coach that. You're not a victim.
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You got a great job. Celebrate it, you know, don't
be apologetic. Take the job. You took the job, enjoyed
the job. Good luck with the job. But the other
stuff stop making it seem like this is all one
old miss. Yes.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, that's about as fast as a hero to zero
transition as I think I can ever remember in modern sports.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, but you know, I watched the press conference. It
just didn't seem like he was in a celebratory mood.
It was almost a mood of well they wouldn't let
me coach. Yeah, I wouldn't let you coach. You took
the job, Yeah, but I wanted to finish the job.
Well you didn't finish the job. Go to LSU. It's okay,
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it's a great job. But for him to come out
and say, I don't know how much I'm getting paid, really,
it's not the answer I want from my coach. How
much you got with the collectibles the collectives or and
I I don't know, Like you don't know how much
you're getting paid to make it seem like, well, money
wasn't an issue here, you're being highly compensated. That's why
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he doesn't want to say anything. I mean, I wish
you would stop trying to kind of clean up the
mess here. Yeah, it's he's walking behind the elephant in
the circus. It's just like, move on, It's okay, yes
time when you're.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Twenty, it's okay to play that card. It's all about
the opportunity. I got to build up my resume. Whenever
they pay me, I'll just take it. But at this
point in the game. That's a very difficult thing to believe.
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
It sounds nice to say that it's all about the
opportunity that I wasn't really crunching the numbers.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
I'll leave that to my agent, but I can't. Anyone
have a brain CORECT don't believe that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Uh yeah, coach, would you take five million if they
could use the other ten million for recruits? N I
L would you coach it? Because money doesn't matter. It's
the job, right See, it's all silly. Just stop, you know,
making up excuses. Just take the job. You know. That's
the landscape that we have, like it or not, that's
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the landscape we have.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yes, Paul, I do think that what you guys just
said is exactly the reason why Lane Kiff and let
Charlie Weist Junior stay for a month or two with
Ole Miss Football as offensive coordinator. It's like, I'll loan
him back to you. He's not coaching with LSU like
he and they're not coaching the team in any bowl
game they get. They've already announced that, so he would
just be sitting there, not doing anything. It's almost like
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I'm gonna loan you this as an olive branch on
the way out to help you with the playoff committee.
They announced us before the playoff selections yesterday, and maybe
it's not a little bit of a light olive branch
between the two.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
They're still hated rivals. They're always going to be hated rivals.
Next November when LSU goes to Ole Miss, it is
going to be a scene. So I mean, you can
put a band aid on it before they can rip
the band aid off really quickly.
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You know whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
You see the play by play guy or you listen
to him on a broadcast. You know, Pat Summer All Murder,
She wrote, I always wanted to do one of those
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gets to do that ESPN college football tennis host commentator.
He's got the big games, He's got the SEC championship
game coming up, he's gotta have the Heisman ceremony, the
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national title. Did you ever have one of those moments
where during a game you have to do a promo
for something coming up on ABC?
Speaker 8 (15:07):
Nothing good is Murder, she wrote, I mean I would
like to do a dramatic show. We get money at football,
we get the Tuesday CFP ranking show. It's hard to,
you know, bring the gravitass to that, Dan, It's hard
to lay the drama on with those kind of promos.
I kind of wish we had, you know, even like
Dancing with the Stars. I mean you can you don't
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get a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Of all right, your initial reaction to the rankings was what.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
Notre Dame's worried. I actually just spoke to Marcus Treman
about some other things. But you know, them dropping down
a spot. Alabama beating Auburn a tough rivalry game, great
win for them, but not an overwhelming performance has some
notre name people nervous.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Hey, these games are all interconnected on.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
Saturday in ways that not everybody fully understands and ways
we haven't quite seen before. Okay, so you get that
Big twelve Championship game. People are going to be closely
watching whether Texas Tech beats b YU for a second time.
If that happens, I know what the commissioner of They
twelve says, but I think BYU's case would be really damaged.
Both losses would be the Texas Tech, but a second
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loss with BYU's resume would probably be fatal in my view,
based on what the committee has done. If they win
that game, Texas Tech's not going to fall out of
the bracket and Byu would be Big twelve champions. That
would make a lot of people sweat the ACC Championship game.
You know, a seven win duke team wins a six
way tie break, I have no idea how the ACC
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determines the tiebreak.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
They maybe you should consider going forward.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
Just using the CFP rankings, which would have Miami in
that game. Clearly a better team than most of those
teams they're tied with with those two conference losses. But
if Duke wins stand then I guaranteed anything the ACC
Virginia solid if they went. But if Duke pulls a
mild upset, and I think they got a chance to
do that, what are you going to do? I mean,
is the SEC going to be totally left out of
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this bracket? Politically that'd be tricky, but the champion would
be guaranteed nothing in Miami. Maybe isn't that large team
might help their case. We don't know because some of
the stuff is unprecedented.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
How much does brand play in this? Do you think
in the minds of the committee that Notre Dame's brand?
How important is that?
Speaker 8 (17:23):
You ask your viewers, they would say it's everything. I mean,
they think that ESPN's pulled in the strings. We want
the biggest brands. I promise you we have played no
part in that. I don't go in the committee's mind
if it plays a part. People just sort of assume
that Notre Dame is an elite program and when they
have ten wins, it must be a really great team.
And I think this is a really good team. But
I think you'd have to go member, my member and
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really get them to give them some truth, share them
and ask them if it matters Notre Dame Miami.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
Versus b YU or somebody else.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
I mean, I think statements have been made where non
big brand teams have been given the nod.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
You know, SMU was in there.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
TCU got into a four team bracket when they made
the championship game.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
I mean, I think you could shoot down the arguments that, oh,
it's always the same teams.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
Alabama didn't jump up because they're Alabama. I think they
jumped up because the question of excluding a team that
makes the SEC championship game and then loses after beating
Georgia on the road in the regular season is pretty tricky, right,
Even though that would be the first free loss team
to get in, Alabama wouldn't be in because it's a
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big brand. In my opinion, you're never gonna like dissuade
the conspiracy theorists because they're everywhere.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
But that's just my view.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
What is Penn State doing?
Speaker 7 (18:44):
Oh, you're not comfortable.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
If you're a Penn State fan waiting like fifty three
days after firing your coach, then i'd have another one
in place when all the teams around you were going
boom boom boom. Deal done, deal done, deal done, including
Michigan State, which I don't know how one they took late.
I mean they got their guy in Fitzgerald. Wo had
been mentioned at Penn State. I don't know what they're doing.
I think fans get really nervous in this modern landscape.
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Today's signing day, the portal is coming up. Penn State's
a really attractive job. It's a challenging job, as you know,
it's the it's the deep end of the pool and
the Big ten, competing with the with the with the
dollars and the commitment made by Ohio State, Michigan and
the West Coast schools. I think Penn State fans would say,
wait a minute, we take a backseat to No. One
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in terms of commitment and resources, and that's what makes
it a pretty good job.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
But I don't know what the hesitation has been.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
I mean, you know, James Franklin gets fired, He's already
got his next job, and I think he's taken four
commands to Virginia atach And that's that's the concern. You know,
in this modern ere Dan, people don't really fully understand this.
It's really the roster that is the asset for the program.
The coaches are very important because the coach has to
play a big part in assembling their roster and then
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creating the culture where you get these mercenary guys out
of the portal who actually will blend and mashes a team.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
I'm not downplaying that. We when you talk about a
program of the money.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
People that pay for the roster and hire these consultants
that pay a millions to help them assemble a roster.
A sign of value to this guy. They know, Hey,
this defensive back at UAB has this analytical grade on
every single play of his season. Here's his rating as
a player, here's how we would fit our program, here's
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what we should pay him. They have that information to
work with for virtually every guy in college football.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
It's crazy. I've seen the graphs on each player, and
so when those.
Speaker 8 (20:41):
Guys make those investments in the roster, that's what their
ego tied to that's what they're invested in, literally financially
and ego wise, and the roster almost becomes more important.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
To keep them the coach, if you know what I mean,
because you can they figure to get a guy to.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
Coach this roster. But assembling this roster and paying what
we've invested. You think the coaches are well paid, These
rosters are like twenty twenty five thirty million bucks. That's
not really talked about enough. You better it's like pro sports, right,
you can cover and be The roster is really bigger
than the coach.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Talking to Chris Fowler, he'll be on the call the
SEC Title game that'll be at four Eastern Saturday on ABC.
Also the Heisman Trophy ceremony December thirteenth, and also the
National Title game as well. Kiffin to LSU more about
Lane Kiffin or the hiring structure windows of college football.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
Well, the schedule is a problem, but that doesn't that's
not his reason for going to LSU. You got to
be mad at Lane Kiffer and bailing an all mess
go ahead. It's that the schedule's fault. The schedule sets
up to create messy situations. Right, you can't have signing day,
the playoff, and the portal basically compressed within one month,
all coinciding, coming and going all the time. The coaching
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carousel is only going to spin and work, is what
I was talking about with the rosters. You can't live
with this roster. We'll get someone who can. So that's
not going to change going forward. We're gonna have a
messy situation every year. They could clean up some of
it by maybe a more logical schedule. That's a longer conversation.
You know, Kiffin did what most coaches would do. Giffen
did what Pete Carroll and Nick Saban told him to
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do basically, and what or advised him to do, I'll
put it that way, and what he thought his late dad,
Monty would have wanted.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Him to do.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
And LSU has resources. They've won championships with three coaches.
Oh Miss, I think he could do it there too,
but it's more of a leap of faith.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
I like Lane and ole Miss.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
I'm disappointed for their program. I hope they make a
nice run in the playoff with Pete Golding as coach.
But Lane is not the villain who's symbolic of everything
wrong with the sport. Fans they're going to think that
they're going to roof for LSU to lose every game
by fifty, which they won't, by the way.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
But you know, he did what most coaches would do.
Speaker 8 (22:58):
And I think the old narrative about ripping players or
coaches for making business decisions, in other words, taking more
money to go somewhere else, you got to get past that.
That's outdated. It's kind of tired and lazy to me.
It's it's the reality of the situation and be mad
about it. You can say college football has been ruined
by the portal, by ESPN, whoever you want, but that's
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just whining and bitching. Coaches no longer do that. They
understand the nature of things, and I think fans need
to as well. It's not your grandfather's college football your
dad's either It is what it is, like it or not.
It's very, very close to the structure of pro sports. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I said it quite a few times the last couple
of days. I don't begrudging for taking the job. It's
a great job to take. It's sort of the way
he took it and the mess that he left behind.
And you want to go back and coach, but all
they won't let me coach. And you know, don't play
victim here. Don't do that.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
He said, he's made the villainy. He's not a victim.
You can't want to coach the team you go to
an arch rival.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
If you don't know, folks, that's a bitter rivalry that
he left ole Miss for for a school that LSU
considers Old Miss their little brother and the neighborly thing there.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
I mean, you can't.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
You can't have both. And and at most schools would
do what what Ole Miss did? I know, Tulane some state,
that's a whole different situation. They're not in the playoff yet,
they have to they have.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Some work to do.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
But I think that I don't begrudge all Miss. I
feel badly for their players, I really do. That's why
I think I hope they make a nice run. It'd
be a great story if ole Miss could say, hell
with Kiff and we're gonna rally around Pete Golding and
go make a run there.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
But but you know, and I like Lane.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
I think he's been the best coach he's ever been
by far at ole Miss the last six years, and
the happiest person that he's been so that.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
That to me, that's why it's a little bit bittersweet.
But I you know, he's a good hire at LSU,
got a.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
Great chance to win a championship, I said in a
video I post, he's gonna get fired at LSU. He's
gonna get They fire everybody unless you're Nick Saban. Saban
wins and go to the Dolphins. He probably would have
kept winning and he stayed there. Nick Saban is kind
of an outlier, right, But LSU fires two coaches who
win championships not that far after they won.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Him Miles and ORI's run.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
So even if you win a championship down there and
then you fall off because maintaining consistent excellence in this
landscape with the.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Portland is really really hard to do. So you're going
to have a big year.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
And expectation is going to be through the roof, and
then you're gonna you're gonna let it down and then
nobody's patient. So I think whatever Lane does there, it'll
be probably messy when it ends. His exits tend to
be messy, and even even his knowledge that, right, some
guys just make a clean break and off the next
and nobody gets mad at him.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Lane. When Lane leaves, it gets messy. It's just you know.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Lane talked about the Nick Saban advising him. He should
Saban on College game Day this weekend acknowledge that he
was guiding him to or told him to leave Old Miss.
As Lane Kiff and is talking, should should he be
saying that since he's on the premier college, you know,
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football program, and you're the most one of the most
powerful people, and you are guiding Lane Kiffin to take
the LSU job. Should that have been disclosed or will
it be disclosed?
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Will it be disclosed? I have no idea you think
I should advise Nick Saban and what to tell people?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I mean, well, if I'm raise Davis, I got to
ask the question, Chris Well, No, I am.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Saying I think he didn't tell him to leave Old Miss.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
To clarify that, he just laid out for him what
his opinion was of the opportunity to win a national
championship in either places, as I understand it so, and
he wouldn't be the only one to lay out that argument. Again,
as I said, it's been done in LSU by three
different coaches, not that not that much time, and it
hasn't been an old Miss. I think that that's a
little bit less relevant in the modern system because you
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can win a championship at Texas Tech.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
They might do it.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
I mean they're not favored to, but they're capable of
winning a championship. You know, look Tis, you got to
the championship game. Ole Miss can make a deep run.
I don't think you have to be one of the
biggest brands because you can. You can spend like the
big brands did. That's what Texas Tech has done and
the path in the Big twelve is is less rugged
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than other conferences. But I don't think ole Miss would
be incapable of winning a national championship.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
He's advising him. This is Lane saying that he's the
one who said you got to take the job of us.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
I think that Pete Carroll advised.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
But Saban's the guy who is doing college football. He
doing game Day.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
I think Saban wisdom is massively respected by every single
coach in the business in glitting Land of course, who
work for him. So I think that you know, offline
with conversation they had, that's that's for Nick to share
or not. But you know, I think he I think
Nick coach at LSU won a championship. Else here does
care about the program, and I think he's well acquainted
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with the landscape down there, the challenges of it. Again,
he won and then went to the Dolphins, which didn't
make LSU fans that happy, made him even more unhappy
when he came back and coached Alabama and then beat him. So,
I mean, Nick Nick and LSU have an interesting relationship,
but he did win a championship, and he's acknowledged as
the greatest coach of all time.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
I think by there are.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
People so I don't know. I think you can't put
it on that. You know, Lane made his own choice.
You get advice from whoever you want, you take it
to whatever degree you want.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Uh, and you use it.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
But you can't.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
You can't say that he's the reason that Lane made
his decision.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I mean I thought it was conflict of interest there
because he's on that dividual.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Because he's on game day. If you had any idea,
if you had any idea, the.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
Number of calls that you feel from people in the
sport asking your opinion and advice on coaches, on everything,
I mean you have to really, Nick Nick is not
my position, you know, if you're on the panel as
a as a pundit, I think it's different.
Speaker 9 (29:07):
Nick.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Nick is still an all time great coach, But the
connection is all of the sport and a coach at
the place we're talking about. That's not the same thing
as as somebody calling Reese or Dez or Kirk or
me or in whatever, Pat McAfee. You know, it's it's different.
I get asked those questions all the time. I'm not
comfortable with it, and I try to say out of it,
because my opinion whether a guy would be a good
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coach fit at their place should not be factor.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Into the decision that somebody makes. In my view, I
just try to say out of.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That, how dangerous is Georgia. They seem to be lost
in the shuffle here of you know, when we're talking
about great I don't know if they're a great team,
but how do you assess how good they are this
year compared to what Kirby's had in you know, previous years.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
Not as talented as those teams that win championships that
had like the whole filth that filled up the Eagles
defense on them, They had like eight first round guy
that those were you're not going to ever see a
defense as good as Georgia had in those years, in
my opinion, the way we're trending in this sport. They
find ways, though, Dan, I mean, Kirby knows how to
get a team to hit its stride at this part
of the season, and that's priceless because that's the thing
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that coaches struggle with.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
It comes from the physicality, the toughness that you learn
from day one.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
You get to Georgia. They're really banged up. Their center,
Drew Bobo is out. I don't think he's gonna be
able to go again. He's certainly not playing Saturday. And
to lose your center is a really tough loss. Everybody's
beat up. Alabama's walking wounded. But Georgia is a tough,
tough out. They're hard to kill, as they like to say,
and being hard to kill is really priceless in the postseason.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
I mean, they're just like that NFL team.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
You could call them like the Chiefs, right that it
doesn't matter the regular you get them in that bracket
and shit, you don't want to play them, and nobody
wants to play Georgia. I mean, they're a tough out,
are they going to overwhelm you offensively. No, are they
going to allow you allow three points a game on defense? No,
they've been a little bit more vulnerable, especially early in games.
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But the way they're playing defense now, the way they
played against Georgia Tech, I don't expect a scoring fest
against Alabama. George is gonna be hard to beat, and
that'll be interesting to see where they, you know, get
match up.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
But I know no one wants to see them opposite
your team.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
In the bracket.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Great to catch up with you State's fired up? Now,
come on, this is the biggest time of the year.
This when you got to perform.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Chris, do I not look fired up today? You do?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
You do? But but but what not? No?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
No, did you get a lift in today?
Speaker 7 (31:41):
You know I didn't get it. I didn't get a
cold plunge in.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
I did three minutes of thirty eight degrees in the backyard,
but we got the landscape. I can't get out there yet.
But once they get the cold pun, we'll get a lift.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
I don't know. I'm sorry I didn't. You didn't you
didn't feel it was fired up? But I'm fired up.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Don't give you Rea, I don't know every day's Super
Bowl for me. I mean, I'm on my deathbed here.
I mean I'm barely able to talk. But I mean,
you know, you play hurt.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
I will, I will. I have a nobody cares if
I have knee surgery on Monday, so I'll get through that.
I'll be at the Heisman. You gotta do what you
gotta do, and you're you're a great example of that.
So I'll talk to you.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Thank you, Chris. That's Chris Fowler. He's tough.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
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Speaker 2 (32:36):
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pregame coverage starting at seven eastern four Pacific, kickoff at
eight fifteen eastern on the program. Feels like a playoff game,
like an elimination game for both of these. I mean
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Cowboys have to win. What about the Lions playoff portion
of this?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Yeah? I think he really does. This feels like playoff football. Already.
I mean, you think of how hot the Cowboys are
right now, win three in a row, opportunity for them
to really fight themselves back into this playoff picture. And
then for the Lions, it's man, a season ago, how
dominant they were, you know, felt like it was going
to be a repeat. This year, it's not been the
consistency they've been used to. They've they've been banged up
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here recently now without Sam Laporta and possibly I'm on
Saint Round for a little bit. Man, this is going
to be a challenge because obviously what I'm on meant
to them and everything he is to them. Who Dan
Campbell's got his hands full now is the play caller,
because this is the guy who did everything for this offense,
and you've got to do it against a team that's
hot and a team that's looking to get themselves back
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in contention, has a whole lot of belief that they
are a playoff football team.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
And I don't know if it's this simple, Andrew that
I said at the beginning of the year and even
when they made the trade with Michael Parsons, just have
average defense because you have a better than average offense.
And if you do that, you can be a playoff team.
But is it that simple that they now have an
average better than average defense to go along with that offense.
That's why they're so dangerous?
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Yeah, I mean, you look at it. I mean, I
think it's one of those things. I'm sure Jerry's walking
around kind of beating his chest right now. As we
all criticize the trade, we all, like, you know, everyone
had their opinion of it, and now all of a
sudden you start to look at how they've been successful
in defense the last few weeks. You know, they've they've
increased the interior. You look at Quinn Williams, you look
at Kenny Clark, you look at these guys, how they've played.
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They're kind of starting to play with these three three
D tackle looks and starting to kind of do something different,
which give credit to Eberflusf kind of creating the package
to use all those guys. And they've been able to
slow down run games, be more efficient getting after the quarterback,
and effective you know that in that regard. And so man,
it's starting to show, like, all right, if we could
slow people downs at least not let them run the
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football on us, give ourselves an opportunity to to get
the football back to our offense and then play well
on offense, we can win. And that's really It wasn't
like they were perfect into Chiefs. It's still get enough
points and yards, but they found a way to win
in those moments and give Dak one more chance. And
they've got some absolute aliens on the outside right now
playing receiver. And this is kind of like to me
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the best the Cowboys have looked in recent years, and
it looks like they are built to go make a
run right here?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Would you rather block Micah? Well, rather block who? Would
you want to avoid? Micah Parsons or Quinn Williams.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
I would say I'd always rather have the big boys.
I mean the big boys is there's at least a
lot of what's the most appropriate way I can say this,
there's a lot of body to get your hands on.
Let's put it that way, all right, So I like
more masks that I can get a hold of, if
that makes sense. So the little guys Micah in that sense,
his height, his speed, his agility, getting your hands on
those guys was always the hardest part is just finding
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a way to get in front of them. So at
least with Quinn, and it might be a physical battle
and he might win a couple those, but you weren't
gonna have any problem getting your hands on him. So
I always like, I prefer to get my hands, you know,
in the mud a little bit and just get after it.
So any guy that I could fight and wrestle with,
I much preferred.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Would you rather have if you have to pick now,
would you rather have a smart quarterback or a tough quarterback?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Man, that's a good one. I'm gonna probably say, since
that you could possibly enter the category of having a
really good coordinator, I'd rather have a tough quarterback because
I feel like maybe there's some of those things we
can handle from a coaching standpoint, But when they're tough
and they're gonna survive down to down, they're gonna play
the physicality, they're gonna extend plays. There's a self belief
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I think in that starts to be created around them
and in that huddle. You know, when I start to
think of the great ones I played with, whether it
be Carson Palmer or Matthew Stafford and some of those
guys in Jared Goff, I start to think of how
tough they were, right, and like people talk about affecting
the quarterback. I mean I never heard those guys ever complain, uh,
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you know, whine or even put emphasis on anything other
than being at their best and their best is acquired
and find a way to respond. Those were guys you'd
never hear Whiper ever. I mean, Matthew Stafford always call
him John Wayne, but he's like the baddest cowboy in
the huddle. Everybody in that huddle wants to be as
tough as that dude every single snap, and so you're
living to try and live up to.
Speaker 9 (37:22):
Man.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
I want to be tough enough that Matthew Stafford thinks
I'm tough, because that's the kind of dute he is.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Okay, but what do you think when you hear Jackson
Dart that, Hey, this isn't soccer and I'm gonna be
running and I'm going to continue to play this way?
Is he being small?
Speaker 6 (37:37):
Love it?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
You're okay with your quarterback doing that.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
I'm okay with what I think is going to naturally happen.
We look, we saw it with Josh Allen, We've seen
it with other guys that love to get into that mix.
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Jackson coming out of concussion protocol. I mean, I get
extra hits.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Yeah, But here's the thing. We can't if we want
to get in the ring and swing with heavyweights, we
can't control whether we're gonna get punched in the head.
I mean, that's just the reality. So we're playing NFL football.
You're gonna take some shots. You wanna extend plays, You're
gonna take some shots. Here's what he's gonna have to do.
He's got to find ways that hey, like on the
sideline there, all right, those are downs, get out of bounds,
those are downs like as he plays and realizes because
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I think sometimes we talk about this in coverage, right,
young guys coming in and figuring out. Man, those guys
DB's at the NFL level. They can break on a football.
Oh man, I can't throw it as a tighter windows
as I used to could. It's not any different out
in space. He's learning the speed and the violence of
the game and saying, all right, oh you know what.
I bet he flipped over sideways the other night and said,
you know what, next time, I ought to get out
the out of bunds a little faster. That's the reality
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So I don't think I love I love the mentality.
You gotta have it. I mean that's just you look
at the league right now, you gotta have it. How
many truth sit in the pocket quarterbacks? Do we have
that that exists? And it's just not true. You gotta
extend plays, you gotta be tough. Back to Malmes is
one of the toughest dudes on the planet. Soo's Josh Allen.
I mean, these dudes running extend plays and and they've
got to live in that world. But he he's got
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to learn how to be smarter about it, and he's
got to get creative. And when do I do it?
When do I not? When do I make sure I
take care of my football team? But I also think
that Dan we have to give him credit. Who's he
playing with right now? Like does he have a bunch
of weapons that he can get rid of the football
and extendsive game plays to and get down the football
field too? No, he doesn't. So some of that he
feels like, Man, if I don't do it, I don't
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know where to go with the football. You know, I
think it'd be I think I'd rather assess him a
year from now. When you see them add some weapons.
Is he still doing some of that stuff or is
he realizing, Man, maybe it's better to give those guys
opportunities in these situations.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, I need twenty five percent less John Wayne with
him that?
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Yeah, I like that?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Like is that John Wayne light?
Speaker 6 (39:41):
Okay? Is that okay?
Speaker 8 (39:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (39:43):
Yeah, that's okay. Hey, look at Stafford's great. He's a
magician at it nowadays. You know, Hey, listen, Matthew's that
ball's coming out if somebody's unblocked. You know, he's out
running in space. He's he's dirting that thing. We know
that he's smart that way, right, He's lived through it.
I mean, that guy if anybody's played through it and
knows so. I just think it's something that we don't
give them credit enough. These quarterbacks they've got to go
through that process too and learn how do I stay
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on the football field? And I think that's the conversation.
We need you on the football field because I think
Jackson Dart is going to be a really good football player.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Andrew Whitworth Amazon Prime Football Analysts coming up Tomorrow night
Cowboys and the Lions pregame coverage starts at seven Eastern.
Also a Louisiana State alum. Your reaction to getting Lane
Kiffin as your coach.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Oh man, you know, it's one of those you hate
the college football system, You're mad about all that type stuff.
At the same time. I mean, i'd be lying if
I wasn't saying as an LSU Tiger, I'm excited that
we have a coach that I think is going to
help us be successful. But you know, Dan, I think
it's tough too, because if it wasn't for the calendar,
it wasn't for the timing. You know, it's more leaving
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your team when it's happening and what that's going to
do to impact the kids that old miss and what
they had in front of them. Because the idea that
you hear of, like oh man, you promised these kids this,
or you built this and you're leaving it like that's
happened since I was in college. I mean, people forget
Nick Saban. I was going to Florida with Steve Spurriy
or Nick Saban gets hired as the LSU coach. He
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comes in and sells me that LSU is not a
four year decision, it's a forty year decision. You decide
to stay in state, go to LSU. We're gonna do
great things. It's gonna affect your whole. Hey. Well, hey,
three years later we've won a national championship. That's awesome.
Four years later he's gone. He took a big check
and he's going to the Miami Dolphins. So did he
lie to all the kids that came there and hey,
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we're gonna be built?
Speaker 5 (41:32):
No?
Speaker 6 (41:33):
I mean that's the reality is. Coaches have always done this,
and it's always been a part of it. It's just now,
because of the calendar, we've ended this portal system in
NIL and now players are doing it and we've entered
this world now where that whole system needs to be
reset when it happens and why it happens and all
of that. And that's more the issue to me, And unfortunately,
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I think it's put Lane in a really tough position.
I can say this, I can both be excited that
LSU got Lane Kiffing to be their head coach and
say that if I was in that position, I don't
think I could have done it. I don't think I
could have left the kids in that moment to not
finish that season. I think I would have just waited
and seen what other opportunities that are out there for me.
That's me personally, but that's my personal decision, and Lane
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Kiffin needed to make his own.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I have told this story before. There was a kid
who was and his dad they were meeting with a
college coach at a big university and it was a
Sunday and they were meeting with him and they wanted
to know, hey, the rumor is true that you might be,
you know, looking at a job in the NFL. And
he goes, Nope, I'm going to be here. So the
kid signs. Next day, coach goes to the NFL. Like,
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come on, I'll give you an example. Dan last year,
Bryce Underwood. I was at LSU when he was there.
Speaker 6 (42:50):
He was down there for the game, literally conversations with him,
his family, everything, like, hey, only places kids ever wanted
to play LSU. This is where he's going to go
to school, where like, this is everything to us. The
next week is when the whole entire Michigan News came
out to check everything, and I'm going I just looked
this kid in the eyes the other like six days ago,
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and he told me that I would never want to
play anywhere else other than being an LSU Tiger like
some And that's not a bash on him, it's just
that is the reality. As soon as somebody else comes
in big money, it's hard to tell these people to
turn that kind of stuff down. It's life changing money
and people need to make their own decisions. And that's
my point. Lane Kiffin made the best decision for him
and his family. Who am I to judge that, but
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I would say that if I was in that position,
I do think it'd be hard for me to leave
my football team. I don't think I want to do it.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
And I this since retired coach that when Nil came out,
he says, oh, who's going to sign lineman with me?
They're just going to give them like pizza, And I go,
linemen are going to make big money because that's where
you win in college football, your offense and defensive line.
I mean, look at Georgia, you win in the trenches, yep.
And I mean certainly in the NFL. But I thought,
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how naive to think you're not going to spend money
on your edge rusher or your offensive lineman just like
you do in the NFL. But I mean, what's the
biggest payout that you've heard for an offensive lineman in
college football.
Speaker 6 (44:17):
I don't know. I don't follow a lot of the
l stuff, but I think it is going to continue
to be something's huge. We've seen it in the NFL,
right We've seen these teams that think, hey, you can
try to go the skill route and not invest in
that position as much, and you just don't see winning happening.
The teams that have good offensive lines and defensive lines
that want to win up front are the teams we're
talking about at the end of the year. Every single year.
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You look at some of the best teams in NFL.
This season, again, it's all teams or that's where they
learn to win in the trenches. And then the other
pieces obviously are massive. Having a quarterback, having skill players
in both sides of the football, all those things are massive.
But if you don't have the foundation of what creates
football success, you're living in a pretty temper building in
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the sense that at any point it can be cut
out from underneath you. And look this Detroit team that's
playing tomorrow night. It's a great example of that. You
look at how good they were upfront, how dominant they
were last season. You lose Zeitler, you replace your interior.
Frank ragnow retires. You got all new guys up there.
The young guy Ratlets is playing good, but he's not
a veteran yet, right, and then the other guys have
been banged up and not has played as well. The
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interior pressure on Jared Goff has been totally different this year.
He's been getting hit more like it changes your football team.
But they still have all those other guys, Jamior Gibbs
and Jameis and Williams and all the talents all out there.
But when you start to change that group up front,
it changes your football team.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
If the Cowboys get into the playoffs, what is the ceiling.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
As good as their defense can play that, I think
we're still can they win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Or can they win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (45:56):
Here's what I would say about this season, Dan Patrick,
I think we have seen through out the year. I
don't know if there's a team that's unbeatable. I think
at Carolina beating it at LA last week shows us that.
I think the parody is it truly is We use
that word all the time, we say it, but look
weak to week. I mean, there's not a team that
you go, man. You know, if I go to Denver, Broncos,
great defense, bonecks in the offense have left me like
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wanting a lot more for a lot of weeks. You know,
I go to the Patriots, man, maybe they're for real.
I mean, Drake May you look at them. But then
I go back and I go, wait, didn't they get
beat by the Raiders and the Steelers this year? Like
it's teams where you go, man, this team's unbeatable, but
well they lost to who? And so it's tons of
that this year. I don't think there's a team that
you sit there and go, man, this team without questions
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making a run. I think we're gonna see who's hot
and who's healthy, and that that team has got a
chance to go win a Super Bowl this year. Because
if you look at Dallas, what a team's love to
do right now? I mean, you play man to man
this game matchup against Detroit and you're gonna try to
who's got George Pickens and Cede Lamb, which one do
you want to cover? And teams are having to do that.
That's one of the things that they're doing well. They're
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splitting them up and they're saying which guy do you
want to lean to? We got the quarterback. People forget
how good Dak Prescott is, and we'll go to whichever
guy you don't lean to, and we can win. And
so I think, to me, how good can the defense be?
How healthy can they be? That gives their ceiling because
they've got an opportunity to go score with anybody in
the NFL. And right now, if you look at offensive football,
I mean there's a lot of teams, even the good ones,
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that have seemed to really struggle with being consistent on offense.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
I think Brian Kelly's accent is better than yours.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
There's there's no question. That was probably the first moment
that everybody should have been like whoah. So you know,
I get it if I go down there. Ryan Fitzpatrick
always gives me crap as soon as I go down
there to a game where I go visit. We have
a Saints game. We come back and he's like, wait,
what happened to you? And I'm like, dude, it just
(47:53):
it comes out. I get back around it. I have
a you know, I have a couple of friede shrimp
and get some rum alah and then some and it
just starts man, it just starts, it starts folding out there.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Great to talk to you again, Thank you, buddy, Always
appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
Brother Andrew Wentworth
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Seaton will come up with the pole question, at least
for the first hour of this award nominated program. That's
my cue. That is your cue. You see right there. Okay,
we can use you back into this job. I know
you've been gone for a little while a little bit.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah, yeah, get my sea legs back a bit.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Press the button and the red light comes on. That's
on it, and then you speaking, oh wait, that's that
was a cough button. So if you were on the
college football committee, which Russia now would be most important
whilst ranking the teams, that's your cue.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
That This is from Paul. The word walst was used
in it. A team's resume, current chance to win the title,
or teams that will be best for ratings. I think
that this is very pointed at one specific matchup, but
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, and I'm curious what Chris Fowler will say about
this when he joins this like next hour or because
it is entertainment. You want ratings, you want Notre Dame
in there. There's a chance Notre Dame does not make
the college football playoffs. Now, there's some scenarios that have
to happen. But if I'm going to look at BYU
and Notre Dame straight up right now, BYU has the
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better resume. BYU has Texas Tech coming up this weekend.
Notre Dame doesn't play until their next game, which could
be a bowl game or a playoff game. But if
you're just looking the eye test, BYU as a better resume.
Now we've been matching up Notre Dame in Miami, and
I still think Notre Dame is a better team. I
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want a factor in how you play now. They did
have two losses. They did lose to Miami, they lost
at home to Texas Tech. But Texas to me is
playing as good to football as maybe anybody is right now.
But they have three losses and they went out and
scheduled Ohio State to start the year. If BYU doesn't
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have a game this weekend, is BYU going to be
in the college football playoffs? If Texas had one more
game and won the game, would they be in the playoffs?
See this is where it gets tricky with these conference
title games. I don't like them. I think it's a
money grab and I think at times it does hurt
some of these schools that if they do lose, then
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they're not going to be in the college football playoffs.
Not everybody has a conference championship game to play in.
I mean, he got Duke with five losses playing in
the ACC title game. But there's a chance the ACC
will I guess be on the outside looking in. Yeah, Pauling,
there's so.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Many semantics to this. Because Duke in Virginia, there's like
a loophole because Duke isn't currently ranked in the top
twenty five. They could beat Virginia and not be in.
There's a possibility of it because they're not ranked. It's
like a tax loophole.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's really weird, and it's National Signing Day and I
can't imagine how morale is in State Happy Valley because
we had Devin mccordyon from NBC Football Night in America,
former defensive back, and he said, you go to play
for the coach. Well, if you're going to go to
Penn State, who's your coach? And Kalani Sataki BYU head
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coach is going to stay at BYU. I guess a
big booster came in, Big Donor and said, you're not
going anywhere. You're one of us. And he's done a
really good job. I think BYU is a really good job.
If you look at the history of that program, very underrated.
You can look at forty years of BYU football and
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it's an underrated program. So he's going to stay there.
They're playing Texas Tech in the title game there and
maybe a chance to go into the playoffs. But for
Penn State, we said it at the time, Okay, you're
going to fire James Franklin. Who are you bringing in?
And it felt like we got to get rid of
James Franklin. We'll worry about that other stuff later on,
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and that's come back to haunt them.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, Paulie, it does feel like Penn State miscalculated their reputation.
Like we're Penn State, We're going to have our pick
of coaches because we're firing our head coach early. So
we're early in this process. And then like the Dominos
fell and a bunch of people passed, and it almost
like devalued the brand month by month.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, and you start to look at, Okay, maybe there's
somebody who is going to be coaching in the playoffs
and that's who you got your site set on. Maybe
it's an assistant coach who's there? Not sure. I thought
Brian Hartline, the offensive coordinator at Ohio State, might get
an opportunity. I think he was up for the Kentucky job,
and maybe maybe he does get a chance.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I don't think he's had any head coaching experience. I
do know he is a great recruiter. He certainly knows
what a great wide receiver looks like. If you Ohio
State's become wide receiver, Hugh, who would have thought that?
What he hayes? I can't imagine what he hayes if
somebody said, you know, they don't run the ball anywhere
near the way they used to. It's not three yards
in a cloud of dust. They throw the ball a lot.
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Are they good? Yeah they are, they're really good. Alrighty,
battle to cough here. So if I uh hit the
cough button a couple of times here, we'll try to
slug our way through this.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah it's going around.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, it stayed around.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
I've had this going.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Around and sticking around a little bit. Yeah, sorry to
hear that. Man.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's like, man, how did this happen again? It won't
leave me. It's like Todd, It's always there.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yes, ay, nineteen year cough. Apparently twenty two year cough.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah, paul there are worse diseases to bring home from
Vegas though historically you think about it the cold and
your your rough shape. But some of them clear up
a lot easier though.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Yeah, penicillin.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Penicillin knock that right out.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I had penicillin, you know, I had the shots. Had
the doctor came to my uh my hotel room. I
have to call her back, see if she'll give me
a drive by here. Yeah, Pauline, this could be an
early best week in sports. But what an opportunity for BYU.
You keep your coach from going to Penn State, which
you would think to be of reverse, you lose your
coach to Penn State. You could get in the playoffs
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this weekend by beating Texas Tech, and you could knock
Notre Dame possibly out of the playoffs, all in a
week's time for BYU football.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Interesting times though, And I know these coaches they rail
against this, but then the coaches are the ones who
can change this. And I mean, I don't know what
kind of reform we're going to have. And I'll talk
to Chris Fowler about this. That you know, we just
need to come up with a solution that works for everybody. Works.
Imagine National Signing Day. So imagine if you're a big
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time recruit and you were planning on going to Penn State. Well,
James Franklin goes to Virginia Tech. Well, now are you
going to follow James Franklin to Virginia Tech? And that's
what's happening. So we can talk about out current players,
the coaches, changing fan bases, and I mean all of
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these things. The high school kid. Nobody is factoring that in, Hey,
who's my coach? Where am I going? What other pole
questions do you have seton?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Well, we could go with one there sort of point
about BYU who will get in Notre Dame or BYU?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
And then who should.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Get in Notre Dame?
Speaker 7 (07:26):
BYU?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Okay, well by you should right now, but you know,
strength to schedule record. They're playing for a conference championship. Man,
I'd I'd be shocked if Notre Dame's not in. Yeah,
because you want to do everything you possibly can to
get Notre Dame in. You still want eyeballs, you still
want a great Cinderella story, and you'll probably have that.
(07:51):
It has a way of sorting itself out. I know
that we always look at worst case scenario, and but
it just feels like whenever we talk about these scenarios,
it just seems to work its way out. I'd like
to have a little chaos. I'm okay with that. Yes, Marvin,
is Alabama in trouble if they get like housed by Georgia,
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I would say yes.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
I would say yes.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And although this isn't a dynamic Georgia team, but Alabama,
you need a good showing. And look, it's only a
two point spread, so they're expecting a close game.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, Paul, And the other team that's in the the
conference playoffs this weekend, the conference championships, Indiana, you need
a nice showing against Ohio State. Now you're obviously still
going to stay in the playoffs, but you know, the
downside is probably worse than the upside.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
This weekend for Indiana.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And Old Miss went up in the rankings, the standings
there with the College Football Selection Committee. I'm kind of
surprised at that. And then you got Charlie Weiss junior,
who was the defensive coordinator and he's now going to NSU.
But now he goes back to Ole Miss to be
the defensive coordinator during the playoff like a loaner. What
is going on? Yeah, and it's like a loaner.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Car is he looking at the Penn State job now?
Based off the strength of that.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I have no idea what's going on. But Lane had
to sign off on this, and then Ole Miss had
to sign on off on this, and then you get
our defensive coordinator, and then we're going to take him
back when the playoffs are over. All right, A couple
of phone calls in here, Chris and Syracuse leads us
off this morning. Hi Chris, what's on your mind?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Thanks Dan? Yeah, a couple things. You guys are talking
Penn State. You know, the Penn State coach coaching search
reminds me of the New York Knicks coaching search after
they fired Tom Thibodau last year. Both seemingly plumb jobs.
But you wonder if Penn State's going to be like
the Knicks and whoever they do end up hiring. It's
not really an upgrade. And I definitely think there's no
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way Lane Kippin should coach that game, the playoff game.
But he's got to be rolling his eyes a little
with new LSU coach Charlie Weiss junior allowed to.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, but and I don't understand the backroom dealings with this.
I don't want Charlie Weis junior there. I don't want
Lane Kiffin there. These are our guys, these are our coaches.
Let's go out and plague. But we did spend a
lot of time on Lane Kiff. And now there is
a player that we've been in contact with who said
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that Lane. You know, the players weren't all gung ho.
They wanted Lane Kiffin to stay there. And I think
some of that news came out. We had gotten word
a couple of days ago. But Lane makes it seem
like all those players wanted me, all the national media
wanted me to stay and coach that. You're not a victim.
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You got a great job. Celebrate it, you know, don't
be apologetic. Take the job. You took the job, enjoyed
the job. Good luck with the job. But the other
stuff stop making it seem like this is all one
old miss. Yes.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, that's about as fast as a hero to zero
transition as I think I can ever remember in modern sports.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, but you know, I watched the press conference. It
just didn't seem like he was in a celebratory mood.
It was almost a mood of well they wouldn't let
me coach. Yeah, I wouldn't let you coach. You took
the job, Yeah, but I wanted to finish the job.
Well you didn't finish the job. Go to LSU. It's okay,
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it's a great job. But for him to come out
and say, I don't know how much I'm getting paid, really,
it's not the answer I want from my coach. How
much you got with the collectibles the collectives or and
I I don't know, Like you don't know how much
you're getting paid to make it seem like, well, money
wasn't an issue here, you're being highly compensated. That's why
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he doesn't want to say anything. I mean, I wish
you would stop trying to kind of clean up the
mess here. Yeah, it's he's walking behind the elephant in
the circus. It's just like, move on, It's okay, yes
time when you're.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Twenty, it's okay to play that card. It's all about
the opportunity. I got to build up my resume. Whenever
they pay me, I'll just take it. But at this
point in the game. That's a very difficult thing to believe.
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
It sounds nice to say that it's all about the
opportunity that I wasn't really crunching the numbers.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
I'll leave that to my agent, but I can't. Anyone
have a brain CORECT don't believe that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Uh yeah, coach, would you take five million if they
could use the other ten million for recruits? N I
L would you coach it? Because money doesn't matter. It's
the job, right See, it's all silly. Just stop, you know,
making up excuses. Just take the job. You know. That's
the landscape that we have, like it or not, that's
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the landscape we have.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yes, Paul, I do think that what you guys just
said is exactly the reason why Lane Kiff and let
Charlie Weist Junior stay for a month or two with
Ole Miss Football as offensive coordinator. It's like, I'll loan
him back to you. He's not coaching with LSU like
he and they're not coaching the team in any bowl
game they get. They've already announced that, so he would
just be sitting there, not doing anything. It's almost like
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I'm gonna loan you this as an olive branch on
the way out to help you with the playoff committee.
They announced us before the playoff selections yesterday, and maybe
it's not a little bit of a light olive branch
between the two.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
They're still hated rivals. They're always going to be hated rivals.
Next November when LSU goes to Ole Miss, it is
going to be a scene. So I mean, you can
put a band aid on it before they can rip
the band aid off really quickly.
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Speaker 6 (14:15):
You know whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
You see the play by play guy or you listen
to him on a broadcast. You know, Pat Summer All Murder,
She wrote, I always wanted to do one of those
promos during a big game, like someone is guilty, no
one is innocent. In a new drama series, All Her Fault,
A seemingly perfect families world is shattered when their young
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son goes missing. Streaming now only on Peacock. What do
you think, Bunny? Except on the West Coast, Chris Fowler
gets to do that ESPN college football tennis host commentator.
He's got the big games, He's got the SEC championship
game coming up, he's gotta have the Heisman ceremony, the
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national title. Did you ever have one of those moments
where during a game you have to do a promo
for something coming up on ABC?
Speaker 8 (15:07):
Nothing good is Murder, she wrote, I mean I would
like to do a dramatic show. We get money at football,
we get the Tuesday CFP ranking show. It's hard to,
you know, bring the gravitass to that, Dan, It's hard
to lay the drama on with those kind of promos.
I kind of wish we had, you know, even like
Dancing with the Stars. I mean you can you don't
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get a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Of all right, your initial reaction to the rankings was what.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
Notre Dame's worried. I actually just spoke to Marcus Treman
about some other things. But you know, them dropping down
a spot. Alabama beating Auburn a tough rivalry game, great
win for them, but not an overwhelming performance has some
notre name people nervous.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Hey, these games are all interconnected on.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
Saturday in ways that not everybody fully understands and ways
we haven't quite seen before. Okay, so you get that
Big twelve Championship game. People are going to be closely
watching whether Texas Tech beats b YU for a second time.
If that happens, I know what the commissioner of They
twelve says, but I think BYU's case would be really damaged.
Both losses would be the Texas Tech, but a second
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loss with BYU's resume would probably be fatal in my view,
based on what the committee has done. If they win
that game, Texas Tech's not going to fall out of
the bracket and Byu would be Big twelve champions. That
would make a lot of people sweat the ACC Championship game.
You know, a seven win duke team wins a six
way tie break, I have no idea how the ACC
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determines the tiebreak.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
They maybe you should consider going forward.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
Just using the CFP rankings, which would have Miami in
that game. Clearly a better team than most of those
teams they're tied with with those two conference losses. But
if Duke wins stand then I guaranteed anything the ACC
Virginia solid if they went. But if Duke pulls a
mild upset, and I think they got a chance to
do that, what are you going to do? I mean,
is the SEC going to be totally left out of
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this bracket? Politically that'd be tricky, but the champion would
be guaranteed nothing in Miami. Maybe isn't that large team
might help their case. We don't know because some of
the stuff is unprecedented.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
How much does brand play in this? Do you think
in the minds of the committee that Notre Dame's brand?
How important is that?
Speaker 8 (17:23):
You ask your viewers, they would say it's everything. I mean,
they think that ESPN's pulled in the strings. We want
the biggest brands. I promise you we have played no
part in that. I don't go in the committee's mind
if it plays a part. People just sort of assume
that Notre Dame is an elite program and when they
have ten wins, it must be a really great team.
And I think this is a really good team. But
I think you'd have to go member, my member and
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really get them to give them some truth, share them
and ask them if it matters Notre Dame Miami.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
Versus b YU or somebody else.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
I mean, I think statements have been made where non
big brand teams have been given the nod.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
You know, SMU was in there.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
TCU got into a four team bracket when they made
the championship game.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
I mean, I think you could shoot down the arguments that, oh,
it's always the same teams.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
Alabama didn't jump up because they're Alabama. I think they
jumped up because the question of excluding a team that
makes the SEC championship game and then loses after beating
Georgia on the road in the regular season is pretty tricky, right,
Even though that would be the first free loss team
to get in, Alabama wouldn't be in because it's a
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big brand. In my opinion, you're never gonna like dissuade
the conspiracy theorists because they're everywhere.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
But that's just my view.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
What is Penn State doing?
Speaker 7 (18:44):
Oh, you're not comfortable.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
If you're a Penn State fan waiting like fifty three
days after firing your coach, then i'd have another one
in place when all the teams around you were going
boom boom boom. Deal done, deal done, deal done, including
Michigan State, which I don't know how one they took late.
I mean they got their guy in Fitzgerald. Wo had
been mentioned at Penn State. I don't know what they're doing.
I think fans get really nervous in this modern landscape.
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Today's signing day, the portal is coming up. Penn State's
a really attractive job. It's a challenging job, as you know,
it's the it's the deep end of the pool and
the Big ten, competing with the with the with the
dollars and the commitment made by Ohio State, Michigan and
the West Coast schools. I think Penn State fans would say,
wait a minute, we take a backseat to No. One
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in terms of commitment and resources, and that's what makes
it a pretty good job.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
But I don't know what the hesitation has been.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
I mean, you know, James Franklin gets fired, He's already
got his next job, and I think he's taken four
commands to Virginia atach And that's that's the concern. You know,
in this modern ere Dan, people don't really fully understand this.
It's really the roster that is the asset for the program.
The coaches are very important because the coach has to
play a big part in assembling their roster and then
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creating the culture where you get these mercenary guys out
of the portal who actually will blend and mashes a team.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
I'm not downplaying that. We when you talk about a
program of the money.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
People that pay for the roster and hire these consultants
that pay a millions to help them assemble a roster.
A sign of value to this guy. They know, Hey,
this defensive back at UAB has this analytical grade on
every single play of his season. Here's his rating as
a player, here's how we would fit our program, here's
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what we should pay him. They have that information to
work with for virtually every guy in college football.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
It's crazy. I've seen the graphs on each player, and
so when those.
Speaker 8 (20:41):
Guys make those investments in the roster, that's what their
ego tied to that's what they're invested in, literally financially
and ego wise, and the roster almost becomes more important.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
To keep them the coach, if you know what I mean,
because you can they figure to get a guy to.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
Coach this roster. But assembling this roster and paying what
we've invested. You think the coaches are well paid, These
rosters are like twenty twenty five thirty million bucks. That's
not really talked about enough. You better it's like pro sports, right,
you can cover and be The roster is really bigger
than the coach.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Talking to Chris Fowler, he'll be on the call the
SEC Title game that'll be at four Eastern Saturday on ABC.
Also the Heisman Trophy ceremony December thirteenth, and also the
National Title game as well. Kiffin to LSU more about
Lane Kiffin or the hiring structure windows of college football.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
Well, the schedule is a problem, but that doesn't that's
not his reason for going to LSU. You got to
be mad at Lane Kiffer and bailing an all mess
go ahead. It's that the schedule's fault. The schedule sets
up to create messy situations. Right, you can't have signing day,
the playoff, and the portal basically compressed within one month,
all coinciding, coming and going all the time. The coaching
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carousel is only going to spin and work, is what
I was talking about with the rosters. You can't live
with this roster. We'll get someone who can. So that's
not going to change going forward. We're gonna have a
messy situation every year. They could clean up some of
it by maybe a more logical schedule. That's a longer conversation.
You know, Kiffin did what most coaches would do. Giffen
did what Pete Carroll and Nick Saban told him to
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do basically, and what or advised him to do, I'll
put it that way, and what he thought his late dad,
Monty would have wanted.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Him to do.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
And LSU has resources. They've won championships with three coaches.
Oh Miss, I think he could do it there too,
but it's more of a leap of faith.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
I like Lane and ole Miss.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
I'm disappointed for their program. I hope they make a
nice run in the playoff with Pete Golding as coach.
But Lane is not the villain who's symbolic of everything
wrong with the sport. Fans they're going to think that
they're going to roof for LSU to lose every game
by fifty, which they won't, by the way.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
But you know, he did what most coaches would do.
Speaker 8 (22:58):
And I think the old narrative about ripping players or
coaches for making business decisions, in other words, taking more
money to go somewhere else, you got to get past that.
That's outdated. It's kind of tired and lazy to me.
It's it's the reality of the situation and be mad
about it. You can say college football has been ruined
by the portal, by ESPN, whoever you want, but that's
(23:20):
just whining and bitching. Coaches no longer do that. They
understand the nature of things, and I think fans need
to as well. It's not your grandfather's college football your
dad's either It is what it is, like it or not.
It's very, very close to the structure of pro sports. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I said it quite a few times the last couple
of days. I don't begrudging for taking the job. It's
a great job to take. It's sort of the way
he took it and the mess that he left behind.
And you want to go back and coach, but all
they won't let me coach. And you know, don't play
victim here. Don't do that.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
He said, he's made the villainy. He's not a victim.
You can't want to coach the team you go to
an arch rival.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
If you don't know, folks, that's a bitter rivalry that
he left ole Miss for for a school that LSU
considers Old Miss their little brother and the neighborly thing there.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
I mean, you can't.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
You can't have both. And and at most schools would
do what what Ole Miss did? I know, Tulane some state,
that's a whole different situation. They're not in the playoff yet,
they have to they have.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Some work to do.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
But I think that I don't begrudge all Miss. I
feel badly for their players, I really do. That's why
I think I hope they make a nice run. It'd
be a great story if ole Miss could say, hell
with Kiff and we're gonna rally around Pete Golding and
go make a run there.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
But but you know, and I like Lane.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
I think he's been the best coach he's ever been
by far at ole Miss the last six years, and
the happiest person that he's been so that.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
That to me, that's why it's a little bit bittersweet.
But I you know, he's a good hire at LSU,
got a.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
Great chance to win a championship, I said in a
video I post, he's gonna get fired at LSU. He's
gonna get They fire everybody unless you're Nick Saban. Saban
wins and go to the Dolphins. He probably would have
kept winning and he stayed there. Nick Saban is kind
of an outlier, right, But LSU fires two coaches who
win championships not that far after they won.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Him Miles and ORI's run.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
So even if you win a championship down there and
then you fall off because maintaining consistent excellence in this
landscape with the.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Portland is really really hard to do. So you're going
to have a big year.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
And expectation is going to be through the roof, and
then you're gonna you're gonna let it down and then
nobody's patient. So I think whatever Lane does there, it'll
be probably messy when it ends. His exits tend to
be messy, and even even his knowledge that, right, some
guys just make a clean break and off the next
and nobody gets mad at him.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Lane. When Lane leaves, it gets messy. It's just you know.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Lane talked about the Nick Saban advising him. He should
Saban on College game Day this weekend acknowledge that he
was guiding him to or told him to leave Old Miss.
As Lane Kiff and is talking, should should he be
saying that since he's on the premier college, you know,
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football program, and you're the most one of the most
powerful people, and you are guiding Lane Kiffin to take
the LSU job. Should that have been disclosed or will
it be disclosed?
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Will it be disclosed? I have no idea you think
I should advise Nick Saban and what to tell people?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I mean, well, if I'm raise Davis, I got to
ask the question, Chris Well, No, I am.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Saying I think he didn't tell him to leave Old Miss.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
To clarify that, he just laid out for him what
his opinion was of the opportunity to win a national
championship in either places, as I understand it so, and
he wouldn't be the only one to lay out that argument. Again,
as I said, it's been done in LSU by three
different coaches, not that not that much time, and it
hasn't been an old Miss. I think that that's a
little bit less relevant in the modern system because you
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can win a championship at Texas Tech.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
They might do it.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
I mean they're not favored to, but they're capable of
winning a championship. You know, look Tis, you got to
the championship game. Ole Miss can make a deep run.
I don't think you have to be one of the
biggest brands because you can. You can spend like the
big brands did. That's what Texas Tech has done and
the path in the Big twelve is is less rugged
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than other conferences. But I don't think ole Miss would
be incapable of winning a national championship.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
He's advising him. This is Lane saying that he's the
one who said you got to take the job of us.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
I think that Pete Carroll advised.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
But Saban's the guy who is doing college football. He
doing game Day.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
I think Saban wisdom is massively respected by every single
coach in the business in glitting Land of course, who
work for him. So I think that you know, offline
with conversation they had, that's that's for Nick to share
or not. But you know, I think he I think
Nick coach at LSU won a championship. Else here does
care about the program, and I think he's well acquainted
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with the landscape down there, the challenges of it. Again,
he won and then went to the Dolphins, which didn't
make LSU fans that happy, made him even more unhappy
when he came back and coached Alabama and then beat him. So,
I mean, Nick Nick and LSU have an interesting relationship,
but he did win a championship, and he's acknowledged as
the greatest coach of all time.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
I think by there are.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
People so I don't know. I think you can't put
it on that. You know, Lane made his own choice.
You get advice from whoever you want, you take it
to whatever degree you want.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Uh, and you use it.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
But you can't.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
You can't say that he's the reason that Lane made
his decision.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I mean I thought it was conflict of interest there
because he's on that dividual.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Because he's on game day. If you had any idea,
if you had any idea, the.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
Number of calls that you feel from people in the
sport asking your opinion and advice on coaches, on everything,
I mean you have to really, Nick Nick is not
my position, you know, if you're on the panel as
a as a pundit, I think it's different.
Speaker 9 (29:07):
Nick.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Nick is still an all time great coach, But the
connection is all of the sport and a coach at
the place we're talking about. That's not the same thing
as as somebody calling Reese or Dez or Kirk or
me or in whatever, Pat McAfee. You know, it's it's different.
I get asked those questions all the time. I'm not
comfortable with it, and I try to say out of it,
because my opinion whether a guy would be a good
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coach fit at their place should not be factor.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Into the decision that somebody makes. In my view, I
just try to say out of.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That, how dangerous is Georgia. They seem to be lost
in the shuffle here of you know, when we're talking
about great I don't know if they're a great team,
but how do you assess how good they are this
year compared to what Kirby's had in you know, previous years.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
Not as talented as those teams that win championships that
had like the whole filth that filled up the Eagles
defense on them, They had like eight first round guy
that those were you're not going to ever see a
defense as good as Georgia had in those years, in
my opinion, the way we're trending in this sport. They
find ways, though, Dan, I mean, Kirby knows how to
get a team to hit its stride at this part
of the season, and that's priceless because that's the thing
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that coaches struggle with.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
It comes from the physicality, the toughness that you learn
from day one.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
You get to Georgia. They're really banged up. Their center,
Drew Bobo is out. I don't think he's gonna be
able to go again. He's certainly not playing Saturday. And
to lose your center is a really tough loss. Everybody's
beat up. Alabama's walking wounded. But Georgia is a tough,
tough out. They're hard to kill, as they like to say,
and being hard to kill is really priceless in the postseason.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
I mean, they're just like that NFL team.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
You could call them like the Chiefs, right that it
doesn't matter the regular you get them in that bracket
and shit, you don't want to play them, and nobody
wants to play Georgia. I mean, they're a tough out,
are they going to overwhelm you offensively. No, are they
going to allow you allow three points a game on defense? No,
they've been a little bit more vulnerable, especially early in games.
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But the way they're playing defense now, the way they
played against Georgia Tech, I don't expect a scoring fest
against Alabama. George is gonna be hard to beat, and
that'll be interesting to see where they, you know, get
match up.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
But I know no one wants to see them opposite
your team.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
In the bracket.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Great to catch up with you State's fired up? Now,
come on, this is the biggest time of the year.
This when you got to perform.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Chris, do I not look fired up today? You do?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
You do? But but but what not? No?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
No, did you get a lift in today?
Speaker 7 (31:41):
You know I didn't get it. I didn't get a
cold plunge in.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
I did three minutes of thirty eight degrees in the backyard,
but we got the landscape. I can't get out there yet.
But once they get the cold pun, we'll get a lift.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
I don't know. I'm sorry I didn't. You didn't you
didn't feel it was fired up? But I'm fired up.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Don't give you Rea, I don't know every day's Super
Bowl for me. I mean, I'm on my deathbed here.
I mean I'm barely able to talk. But I mean,
you know, you play hurt.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
I will, I will. I have a nobody cares if
I have knee surgery on Monday, so I'll get through that.
I'll be at the Heisman. You gotta do what you
gotta do, and you're you're a great example of that.
So I'll talk to you.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Thank you, Chris. That's Chris Fowler. He's tough.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
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Speaker 2 (32:36):
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pregame coverage starting at seven eastern four Pacific, kickoff at
eight fifteen eastern on the program. Feels like a playoff game,
like an elimination game for both of these. I mean
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Cowboys have to win. What about the Lions playoff portion
of this?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Yeah? I think he really does. This feels like playoff football. Already.
I mean, you think of how hot the Cowboys are
right now, win three in a row, opportunity for them
to really fight themselves back into this playoff picture. And
then for the Lions, it's man, a season ago, how
dominant they were, you know, felt like it was going
to be a repeat. This year, it's not been the
consistency they've been used to. They've they've been banged up
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here recently now without Sam Laporta and possibly I'm on
Saint Round for a little bit. Man, this is going
to be a challenge because obviously what I'm on meant
to them and everything he is to them. Who Dan
Campbell's got his hands full now is the play caller,
because this is the guy who did everything for this offense,
and you've got to do it against a team that's
hot and a team that's looking to get themselves back
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in contention, has a whole lot of belief that they
are a playoff football team.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
And I don't know if it's this simple, Andrew that
I said at the beginning of the year and even
when they made the trade with Michael Parsons, just have
average defense because you have a better than average offense.
And if you do that, you can be a playoff team.
But is it that simple that they now have an
average better than average defense to go along with that offense.
That's why they're so dangerous?
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Yeah, I mean, you look at it. I mean, I
think it's one of those things. I'm sure Jerry's walking
around kind of beating his chest right now. As we
all criticize the trade, we all, like, you know, everyone
had their opinion of it, and now all of a
sudden you start to look at how they've been successful
in defense the last few weeks. You know, they've they've
increased the interior. You look at Quinn Williams, you look
at Kenny Clark, you look at these guys, how they've played.
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They're kind of starting to play with these three three
D tackle looks and starting to kind of do something different,
which give credit to Eberflusf kind of creating the package
to use all those guys. And they've been able to
slow down run games, be more efficient getting after the quarterback,
and effective you know that in that regard. And so man,
it's starting to show, like, all right, if we could
slow people downs at least not let them run the
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football on us, give ourselves an opportunity to to get
the football back to our offense and then play well
on offense, we can win. And that's really It wasn't
like they were perfect into Chiefs. It's still get enough
points and yards, but they found a way to win
in those moments and give Dak one more chance. And
they've got some absolute aliens on the outside right now
playing receiver. And this is kind of like to me
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the best the Cowboys have looked in recent years, and
it looks like they are built to go make a
run right here?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Would you rather block Micah? Well, rather block who? Would
you want to avoid? Micah Parsons or Quinn Williams.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
I would say I'd always rather have the big boys.
I mean the big boys is there's at least a
lot of what's the most appropriate way I can say this,
there's a lot of body to get your hands on.
Let's put it that way, all right, So I like
more masks that I can get a hold of, if
that makes sense. So the little guys Micah in that sense,
his height, his speed, his agility, getting your hands on
those guys was always the hardest part is just finding
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a way to get in front of them. So at
least with Quinn, and it might be a physical battle
and he might win a couple those, but you weren't
gonna have any problem getting your hands on him. So
I always like, I prefer to get my hands, you know,
in the mud a little bit and just get after it.
So any guy that I could fight and wrestle with,
I much preferred.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Would you rather have if you have to pick now,
would you rather have a smart quarterback or a tough quarterback?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Man, that's a good one. I'm gonna probably say, since
that you could possibly enter the category of having a
really good coordinator, I'd rather have a tough quarterback because
I feel like maybe there's some of those things we
can handle from a coaching standpoint, But when they're tough
and they're gonna survive down to down, they're gonna play
the physicality, they're gonna extend plays. There's a self belief
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I think in that starts to be created around them
and in that huddle. You know, when I start to
think of the great ones I played with, whether it
be Carson Palmer or Matthew Stafford and some of those
guys in Jared Goff, I start to think of how
tough they were, right, and like people talk about affecting
the quarterback. I mean I never heard those guys ever complain, uh,
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you know, whine or even put emphasis on anything other
than being at their best and their best is acquired
and find a way to respond. Those were guys you'd
never hear Whiper ever. I mean, Matthew Stafford always call
him John Wayne, but he's like the baddest cowboy in
the huddle. Everybody in that huddle wants to be as
tough as that dude every single snap, and so you're
living to try and live up to.
Speaker 9 (37:22):
Man.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
I want to be tough enough that Matthew Stafford thinks
I'm tough, because that's the kind of dute he is.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Okay, but what do you think when you hear Jackson
Dart that, Hey, this isn't soccer and I'm gonna be
running and I'm going to continue to play this way?
Is he being small?
Speaker 6 (37:37):
Love it?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
You're okay with your quarterback doing that.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
I'm okay with what I think is going to naturally happen.
We look, we saw it with Josh Allen, We've seen
it with other guys that love to get into that mix.
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Jackson coming out of concussion protocol. I mean, I get
extra hits.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Yeah, But here's the thing. We can't if we want
to get in the ring and swing with heavyweights, we
can't control whether we're gonna get punched in the head.
I mean, that's just the reality. So we're playing NFL football.
You're gonna take some shots. You wanna extend plays, You're
gonna take some shots. Here's what he's gonna have to do.
He's got to find ways that hey, like on the
sideline there, all right, those are downs, get out of bounds,
those are downs like as he plays and realizes because
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I think sometimes we talk about this in coverage, right,
young guys coming in and figuring out. Man, those guys
DB's at the NFL level. They can break on a football.
Oh man, I can't throw it as a tighter windows
as I used to could. It's not any different out
in space. He's learning the speed and the violence of
the game and saying, all right, oh you know what.
I bet he flipped over sideways the other night and said,
you know what, next time, I ought to get out
the out of bunds a little faster. That's the reality
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So I don't think I love I love the mentality.
You gotta have it. I mean that's just you look
at the league right now, you gotta have it. How
many truth sit in the pocket quarterbacks? Do we have
that that exists? And it's just not true. You gotta
extend plays, you gotta be tough. Back to Malmes is
one of the toughest dudes on the planet. Soo's Josh Allen.
I mean, these dudes running extend plays and and they've
got to live in that world. But he he's got
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to learn how to be smarter about it, and he's
got to get creative. And when do I do it?
When do I not? When do I make sure I
take care of my football team? But I also think
that Dan we have to give him credit. Who's he
playing with right now? Like does he have a bunch
of weapons that he can get rid of the football
and extendsive game plays to and get down the football
field too? No, he doesn't. So some of that he
feels like, Man, if I don't do it, I don't
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know where to go with the football. You know, I
think it'd be I think I'd rather assess him a
year from now. When you see them add some weapons.
Is he still doing some of that stuff or is
he realizing, Man, maybe it's better to give those guys
opportunities in these situations.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, I need twenty five percent less John Wayne with
him that?
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Yeah, I like that?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Like is that John Wayne light?
Speaker 6 (39:41):
Okay? Is that okay?
Speaker 8 (39:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (39:43):
Yeah, that's okay. Hey, look at Stafford's great. He's a
magician at it nowadays. You know, Hey, listen, Matthew's that
ball's coming out if somebody's unblocked. You know, he's out
running in space. He's he's dirting that thing. We know
that he's smart that way, right, He's lived through it.
I mean, that guy if anybody's played through it and
knows so. I just think it's something that we don't
give them credit enough. These quarterbacks they've got to go
through that process too and learn how do I stay
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on the football field? And I think that's the conversation.
We need you on the football field because I think
Jackson Dart is going to be a really good football player.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Andrew Whitworth Amazon Prime Football Analysts coming up Tomorrow night
Cowboys and the Lions pregame coverage starts at seven Eastern.
Also a Louisiana State alum. Your reaction to getting Lane
Kiffin as your coach.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Oh man, you know, it's one of those you hate
the college football system, You're mad about all that type stuff.
At the same time. I mean, i'd be lying if
I wasn't saying as an LSU Tiger, I'm excited that
we have a coach that I think is going to
help us be successful. But you know, Dan, I think
it's tough too, because if it wasn't for the calendar,
it wasn't for the timing. You know, it's more leaving
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your team when it's happening and what that's going to
do to impact the kids that old miss and what
they had in front of them. Because the idea that
you hear of, like oh man, you promised these kids this,
or you built this and you're leaving it like that's
happened since I was in college. I mean, people forget
Nick Saban. I was going to Florida with Steve Spurriy
or Nick Saban gets hired as the LSU coach. He
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comes in and sells me that LSU is not a
four year decision, it's a forty year decision. You decide
to stay in state, go to LSU. We're gonna do
great things. It's gonna affect your whole. Hey. Well, hey,
three years later we've won a national championship. That's awesome.
Four years later he's gone. He took a big check
and he's going to the Miami Dolphins. So did he
lie to all the kids that came there and hey,
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we're gonna be built?
Speaker 5 (41:32):
No?
Speaker 6 (41:33):
I mean that's the reality is. Coaches have always done this,
and it's always been a part of it. It's just now,
because of the calendar, we've ended this portal system in
NIL and now players are doing it and we've entered
this world now where that whole system needs to be
reset when it happens and why it happens and all
of that. And that's more the issue to me, And unfortunately,
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I think it's put Lane in a really tough position.
I can say this, I can both be excited that
LSU got Lane Kiffing to be their head coach and
say that if I was in that position, I don't
think I could have done it. I don't think I
could have left the kids in that moment to not
finish that season. I think I would have just waited
and seen what other opportunities that are out there for me.
That's me personally, but that's my personal decision, and Lane
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Kiffin needed to make his own.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I have told this story before. There was a kid
who was and his dad they were meeting with a
college coach at a big university and it was a
Sunday and they were meeting with him and they wanted
to know, hey, the rumor is true that you might be,
you know, looking at a job in the NFL. And
he goes, Nope, I'm going to be here. So the
kid signs. Next day, coach goes to the NFL. Like,
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come on, I'll give you an example. Dan last year,
Bryce Underwood. I was at LSU when he was there.
Speaker 6 (42:50):
He was down there for the game, literally conversations with him,
his family, everything, like, hey, only places kids ever wanted
to play LSU. This is where he's going to go
to school, where like, this is everything to us. The
next week is when the whole entire Michigan News came
out to check everything, and I'm going I just looked
this kid in the eyes the other like six days ago,
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and he told me that I would never want to
play anywhere else other than being an LSU Tiger like
some And that's not a bash on him, it's just
that is the reality. As soon as somebody else comes
in big money, it's hard to tell these people to
turn that kind of stuff down. It's life changing money
and people need to make their own decisions. And that's
my point. Lane Kiffin made the best decision for him
and his family. Who am I to judge that, but
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I would say that if I was in that position,
I do think it'd be hard for me to leave
my football team. I don't think I want to do it.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
And I this since retired coach that when Nil came out,
he says, oh, who's going to sign lineman with me?
They're just going to give them like pizza, And I go,
linemen are going to make big money because that's where
you win in college football, your offense and defensive line.
I mean, look at Georgia, you win in the trenches, yep.
And I mean certainly in the NFL. But I thought,
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how naive to think you're not going to spend money
on your edge rusher or your offensive lineman just like
you do in the NFL. But I mean, what's the
biggest payout that you've heard for an offensive lineman in
college football.
Speaker 6 (44:17):
I don't know. I don't follow a lot of the
l stuff, but I think it is going to continue
to be something's huge. We've seen it in the NFL,
right We've seen these teams that think, hey, you can
try to go the skill route and not invest in
that position as much, and you just don't see winning happening.
The teams that have good offensive lines and defensive lines
that want to win up front are the teams we're
talking about at the end of the year. Every single year.
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You look at some of the best teams in NFL.
This season, again, it's all teams or that's where they
learn to win in the trenches. And then the other
pieces obviously are massive. Having a quarterback, having skill players
in both sides of the football, all those things are massive.
But if you don't have the foundation of what creates
football success, you're living in a pretty temper building in
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the sense that at any point it can be cut
out from underneath you. And look this Detroit team that's
playing tomorrow night. It's a great example of that. You
look at how good they were upfront, how dominant they
were last season. You lose Zeitler, you replace your interior.
Frank ragnow retires. You got all new guys up there.
The young guy Ratlets is playing good, but he's not
a veteran yet, right, and then the other guys have
been banged up and not has played as well. The
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interior pressure on Jared Goff has been totally different this year.
He's been getting hit more like it changes your football team.
But they still have all those other guys, Jamior Gibbs
and Jameis and Williams and all the talents all out there.
But when you start to change that group up front,
it changes your football team.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
If the Cowboys get into the playoffs, what is the ceiling.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
As good as their defense can play that, I think
we're still can they win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Or can they win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (45:56):
Here's what I would say about this season, Dan Patrick,
I think we have seen through out the year. I
don't know if there's a team that's unbeatable. I think
at Carolina beating it at LA last week shows us that.
I think the parody is it truly is We use
that word all the time, we say it, but look
weak to week. I mean, there's not a team that
you go, man. You know, if I go to Denver, Broncos,
great defense, bonecks in the offense have left me like
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wanting a lot more for a lot of weeks. You know,
I go to the Patriots, man, maybe they're for real.
I mean, Drake May you look at them. But then
I go back and I go, wait, didn't they get
beat by the Raiders and the Steelers this year? Like
it's teams where you go, man, this team's unbeatable, but
well they lost to who? And so it's tons of
that this year. I don't think there's a team that
you sit there and go, man, this team without questions
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making a run. I think we're gonna see who's hot
and who's healthy, and that that team has got a
chance to go win a Super Bowl this year. Because
if you look at Dallas, what a team's love to
do right now? I mean, you play man to man
this game matchup against Detroit and you're gonna try to
who's got George Pickens and Cede Lamb, which one do
you want to cover? And teams are having to do that.
That's one of the things that they're doing well. They're
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splitting them up and they're saying which guy do you
want to lean to? We got the quarterback. People forget
how good Dak Prescott is, and we'll go to whichever
guy you don't lean to, and we can win. And
so I think, to me, how good can the defense be?
How healthy can they be? That gives their ceiling because
they've got an opportunity to go score with anybody in
the NFL. And right now, if you look at offensive football,
I mean there's a lot of teams, even the good ones,
(47:22):
that have seemed to really struggle with being consistent on offense.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
I think Brian Kelly's accent is better than yours.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
There's there's no question. That was probably the first moment
that everybody should have been like whoah. So you know,
I get it if I go down there. Ryan Fitzpatrick
always gives me crap as soon as I go down
there to a game where I go visit. We have
a Saints game. We come back and he's like, wait,
what happened to you? And I'm like, dude, it just
(47:53):
it comes out. I get back around it. I have
a you know, I have a couple of friede shrimp
and get some rum alah and then some and it
just starts man, it just starts, it starts folding out there.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Great to talk to you again, Thank you, buddy, Always
appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
Brother Andrew Wentworth
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