January 5, 2026 • 48 mins
The MMQB senior NFL reporter Albert Breer paints a complicated picture of the Browns' future and notes uncertainty with John Harbaugh in Baltimore. Longtime college football broadcaster Gary Danielson reflects on a 36-year career in the broadcast booth and explains why Army/Navy remains one of the sport's most meaningful stages. Hall of Fame QB Steve Young shares why the league has shifted toward young offensive minds and confidently drafts himself No. 1 among quarterbacks over 55.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Albert Breer, the Monday morning quarterback senior NFL reporter. We
got Kevin Stefanski fired an hour ago. Why was she fired?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
You know, I think it's just like a water under
the bridge type thing.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
They've been through a lot together over the last six years,
and you know, this goes back, of course, the Deshaun
Watson tray. They've done a lot of good things there.
They made the playoffs in twenty they made the playoffs
in twenty three, you know, and they had a really
good roster he and he and Andrew Berry that they
they inherited. Some of those guys that they inherited are
still there, Miles, Garrett, Denzel Ward, Joel, Antonio.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Wyatt tell like top shelf guys, you know.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
And you know, I just think like the inability to
to to really to take the next step was part
of it, right, and how that all tied to a
single move. I mean, you think about the damage done
by the Deshaun Watson trade, right. It kicks your kicks out,
your ability to draft because you lose three first round picks.
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It kills your salary cap, and that keeps you from
doing anything else, at least for a short period of
time to fix the quarterback position. And so I think
there's an acknowledgment in the building that everybody had their
hands tied behind their backs because of the trade, and
everybody's got blood on their hands because of it. I
just think because of all that history that they had
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been through, and that that Kevin had been through with
the players, you know, it seems to me like Jimmy
just made this decision.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
It's just tough to move forward with the status quo.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
And so I will say this, it's going to be
tough to find a better one than Kevin Stefanski. And
I think everybody's going to find out over the next
two or three days how much the rest of the
league thanks to Stefanski with the amount of interest he's
going to get from other teams.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Is there a chance Deshaun Watson's the starting quarterback for
the Browns next year?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean, I think it's impossible.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
It's impossible to know for sure until we know with
the coaches right if he's healthy and under contract. I
mean that's the thing, like, so you've already so we
already know that they're going to pay to Shaun Watson
forty six million dollars for next year, right, Like if
they cut him, somebody would sign him for the minimum,
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and so it would be forty five. It'd be like
forty five million dollars, you know, So you're already sinking
that into it. You've already sunk three first round picks
into him, you know. I I think the worst thing
for the Browns at this point would be feeling like,
all right, like you know, we're gonna move on, and
then having him go have great success somewhere else. So
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I could certainly see the logic and like saying, like,
you know, we're paying him anyway, we might as well
bring him back.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Here's the one caveat to that.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
The one caveat to that for me would be if
you are going to go all in on a young quarterback, right,
and if there's somebody and I can't remember where they're
pick is you have it in front of you, Dan,
it's I think there's four or five somewhere in there,
and right, they're not five. The Giants are five, but
there's somewhere in there those six six. Okay, So like
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let's say they decide we're gonna go on them for
Nato Mendoza or Dante more and somehow they get in
position to draft one of them.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Then I can see where it's like, Okay.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
It's just not worth it having that around, you know
what I mean, like having kind of the ghost of
quarterbacks past here in the building, you know, and you
want to go with a clean slate for your young quarterback.
But if the plan is to go and bring in
you know, Kirk Cousins to compete with Shador Sanders and
Dylan Gabriel next year, if it's something like that, then
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I don't I'm not sure I see the harm in
taking one more swing at it with Deshaun Watson, just
to make sure you got that wrong, even as every
indication is that you have gotten wrong. And my understanding
is just in the in the in the in the
near term, like he's actually been pretty good, you know,
in the building, and and and and and and through
his rehab over the course of this season, So that
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would be the logic and taking a swing at it,
and that you've already sunk so much into it, you're
already paying him for next year, so why not give
it a run again?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
To me, like the one or the one the one.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
The one caveat there would be if you've got a
young quarterback that you want to go all in on,
you might want to take him out of the equation
just to give the new guy a clean environment.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Better opening. Atlanta or Cleveland, You.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Know, it depends on what you think of Michael Pennox.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Like I I you know, you you would think that
whoever's coming in there is going to have at least
a year and maybe two years with Pennix. They both
have pretty solid young cores. I think, you know, you
look at Atlanta, a good veteran offensive line, one of
the best players in all football in any position in
b Jhon Robinson. I don't know if Kyle Pitts will
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be there, but it looks like he turned a corner.
You've got some young pieces on defense that you like
that you might like, you know, and the young ass
rushers you know, Walker and Pierce that you drafted in
the first round last year.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
But you don't have a first round pick, And.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I think I probably maybe lean Cleveland because you get
to do your thing at quarterback, right so you get
to make your decision at quarterback You've got that great
young draft class, and all those guys are going to
be on rookie contracts for the next few years. And
Mason Graham and Carson Schwessinger and Harold Finnon and the
two running backs, Judkins and Samson, and you have.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Two first round picks.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
I mean, so you've got the ability to kind of
build there with the core. You have a couple of
older pieces in Warden Garrett. I might lean Cleveland, but
it's close. There's there that's not a bear cupboard.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
In either place.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Albert Brier, the Monday Morning quarterback, you've senior NFL reporter.
What should Vegas do?
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Well?
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I think, you know, I'd be surprised if Pete Carroll
made it the day, you know, I think Vegas needs
to figure out how they're going to be set up
going forward. You know, I think Tom Brady's got to
learn how to run a football team. And it sounds
weird coming from me.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
You know what I mean. It's the greatest player of
all time.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
So I don't want to sound like like I don't
want to sound like an idiot saying that, but I
do think that there's parts of it that you know,
people who work there.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So there's a difference between running and all different.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah, John Elway, I get to tell you this, John Elway,
when he got back to Denver in twenty and eleven.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
He eventually became kind of difficult to work for.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
But at the beginning, like there was a very real
acknowledgment on John's part of what he didn't know, you know,
like and he really rolled his sleeves up and learned
how to how to scout and how to evaluate and
like that. You know, that isn't as simple as like, yeah, well,
I you know, I played in the league for a
couple of decades, so I have an idea of what
I'm looking at. Of course you do, but it's not
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the same things as building a team and managing a
football opper, you know, so you know it's going going forward.
What's you know, what's his role in all of that is,
is he committed to learning to run the show because
a lot of people there refer to him as as
the boss, you know, whether you know he's there day
to day or not, and he's not their day to day.
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A lot of people there look at him as the
boss of the football operation. So there's that piece of it.
You know, how does Alex Guerrero fit into that. There's
a bunch of people in that building who report Alex Guerrero.
How does you know John Spytech, the general manager. I
you know, I expect he'll be back. You know, what's
his role in picking the coach? And and then how
does the coach fit into the mosaic of all of that?
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You know, I think like a huge part of the
issue this year was they kind of pieced everything together right,
Like so it was like, all right, like, let's put
together an all star staff, Like we love Packgrahm as
the DC. He's going to work with Pete Carroll, who,
by the way, has run a completely different defensive system.
And now like let's go get Chip Kelly out of
Ohio State for six million dollars per year and let's
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show our micy we can go and get these sorts
of guys.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Now it's a new day for the Raiders. Well, how
did all those pieces fit together? You know, I think
that's the biggest.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Piece of this is Like, so now with Tom Brady,
you know, you know, ostensibly like the guy who is
in charge, how what does that look like going forward?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
And how do all those pieces fit together?
Speaker 5 (08:19):
To me, that's the biggest piece of what I think
will be a coaching search coming up here in the
next few days and weeks, is like, how does the
coach fit into what you've built? Otherwise, are you reconfiguring
anything any of what you've.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Already got there?
Speaker 5 (08:34):
There are big picture questions that the Raiders need to
answer and obviously a very very big decision coming in
April when it comes to what to do with the
first overall pick.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Tom Brady a better broad counster or owner broadcaster?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Now, I'd say, I mean, we'll see as ownership. I mean,
I would say there are there are so many people
that have been so intelligent that have been humbled moving
into ownership roles. You know, you know I always get
that question, like, how can this guy who built this
empire in business? Now I know what he's doing in football.
I'm sure you have too, right, Like I get that question.
It's not the same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's like the Mets owner, he just thinks I can
buy I buy everything right. In the NFL, you can't
buy everything right.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And and and a lot of them get humbled.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
I mean, every one of them comes in and We're
gonna be the Microsoft in football, you know what I mean, Like,
and we're going to reinvent everything. And that's why you
see so many of these owners like stock up on
analytics when they first, you know, get in the role.
It's like, oh, all of these idiots like are hiring
gym teachers and we're gonna do it a different way. Well,
like there's an art to how this whole thing works
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and how you put the whole thing together, and it's
not as easy. It's just saying I'm gonna throw money
at the problem and I'm going to apply the lessons
I learned in my other business. This is a unique business,
you know. So like I do think like Tom's got
some some I think he's he's he's got some He's
got a lot to learn when it comes to being
in that role top you know, an organization, and you
(10:04):
know Mark Davis has empowered him to be a big
voice in that organization. He's gotta he's got to find
his voice. I actually think he's gotten really good at
broadcasting too. Dan, Like I I was skeptical at first,
Like I thought is as great as he is, Like
you know, he I think at the beginning was like
a little and I'm not you know, I guess we
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you know if I don't know if you want the
media conversation here.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
But he's a little he could be a little stuff
that first year.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
And I think he's really kind of found his way
with that, you know, like I think he's gotten really
really good at calling games.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I don't even notice it anymore, like like I don't
really care who's doing a game, you know, I used to,
you know, where it was mad and doing it. It
just feels like there's, you know, this plethora of football
that they're just a lot of voices that are there. Yeah,
now there's some that do it better than others, but
I'm not watching. I couldn't tell you what game Tom
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did this weekend.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean, look that's the thing for me too.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
It is like I'll get a better idea of the
whole thing when we get to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I'm following so much.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
I mean, I honestly like I have a better idea
of how you know, herb Street and Collinsworth an Aikman
call a game just because they're standalone games. Like there's
just I'm paying attention to too much. Like in those
one o'clock at four o'clock windows on a Sunday, So
it's hard for me to really dive in. But what
I have seen a Brady, it does seem like he's
gotten really good. And I I, you know, I remember
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hearing this a couple of years ago that he was
studying Johnny Miller and trying to learn how to be critical,
and I thought that was really interesting, you know, So
I do think he's taking the job seriously.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, And you know, I talked to somebody who's friends
with him, and he even said, hey, would you talk
to Tom? I said, Tom doesn't need my input, and
then he said, well, what would you tell him? I
would say, don't try to be too structural, like like,
this is fun, have fun, you know, pick your spots,
you know, say what you need to say, give us insight,
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tell us things that we don't know. We don't a
lot of times I found out that these guys who
played don't know that we don't know something, and they'll
be like, oh you know this, Oh you know what,
watch that. I would never think that. And I think
the more that Tom doesn't sound try to sound like
an analyst, the better that he'll be like you know,
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Collinsworth and Herb Street, Aikman, Tony, you know, they kind
of go, you know what, I'm just going to be
myself and that's really hard to do. They tell people
in this business, just be yourself. Yeah, I've been working
for forty years trying to figure out who I am,
So I can't expect Tom to be himself. He may
not know who he is as a person in the spotlight.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I'm with you because I remember when I started doing TV,
you know, twenty years ago. I remember somebody telling me
you want to be almost like one and a half
of yourself, and so then there's a tendency to get
out there and be mister announcer guy with everything and
try to enunciate everything correctly and all that different stuff.
And you know, I sort of like I tell younger
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people now who ask me, I'm like, there'll be a
point when you feel like mister announcer guy, and then
there'll be a point when you're talking to a camera
and you.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Start to feel like yourself.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
And I feel like that's when you're starting to get
it right, Like when you're doing both when it's like, yeah,
I'm not talking like i'd normally be talking to my friends,
but I do sound like myself.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, yeah. In my job, part of my job is
to make you forget that you're on TV or on radio,
which you're pretty good. So we just have a conversation
like that. That's the goal each time, all right, before
I let you go other possible openings.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yeah, So, you know, I think the Dolphins want to
move forward with Mike McDaniel. I know their meeting and
recapping the season here today. I don't anticipate anything today,
but in the next couple of days, you know, I
think they'll make that decision, and you know they're going
to have a little bit of a different structure of
Brandon Shore has been elevated there. He's you know, he's
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reporting directly to ownership. That's their cap guy. So they're
gonna have like sort of a three headed monster, or
they're gonna hire the new GM will be a scouting.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Type and they'll move on from TUA in Miami.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I think that's that's likely. Yeah, I think that's likely.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
I do think McDaniel's fate could be tied and at
least in some way to maybe what's available out there.
You know, does Stefanski is now available? Does John Harball
become available? So that's something and I'm just kind of
like looking through some of my notes.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Does John Harball become available?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I think that's a little bit of a coin flip
right now. You know, I think you have those discussions.
I wouldn't move on from him if I were the Ravens,
but I would say this. I had people there tell
me that they believe this is the best roster they'd
ever had going into the season, that level of expectation
with the team, You've got a looming contract negotiat with
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Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
There's just a.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Lot to sort through and digging out from underneath the
season there, And you know, I think that that.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Provokes those big picture questions.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
So I wouldn't say I'm one hundred percent one way
or the other on the Ravens. The Cardinals, I'd expect
they're going to hang on to their general manager, Monty
Austin for it. They really like Jonathan Gannon, their head coach. Obviously,
they end the season the way they've ended, which I
don't think they've won a game since September October.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But you know, I think and they move on from
Kyler Murray as well.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
I think, well, I think with Gannon, the thing is
like I think it may come down to and Gannon's
a really loyal guy. I wonder if they ask him
to make changes on his coaching staff and that leads
to something.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
You know, we've seen that before, so you know, does
does does he go.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Down with the ship? I think that that's a fair question.
Kyler Murray's future is certainly tied.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
To all of that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You know as well, and about real quick before I
before I have to go more likely to move on
from their team Harball in Baltimore or Tomlin in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Right now because the Steelers are in I would say
Harbaugh in Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
But if they lose that game at home, it's weird
they make that kick.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
If they made I know's the thing about Here's the
thing about the Steelers, though, Dan. The Steelers have TJ. Watt,
Cam Hayward, Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Rodgers. All these guys are
older players, right, and so a pretty pretty substantial reset
is coming. That's when that conversation happens, right, Like, Dud,
does Mike Tomlin want to go through a two or
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a three or four year rebuild, right, Do the Steelers
see him as the voice they want in there leading
that rebuild.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
If you're Tomlin, do you look at it and say
what I do?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Do I want to do that or do I want
to take a year in TV and then maybe go
to a situation in twenty seven that's a little bit
more ready made because their season is still going on.
I don't think they fully confronted those questions, you know,
I think both are you know again like I that
those are those are two more where I just I think,
you know, Baltimore and Pittsburgh are both a little bit
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up in the air. But that's what you get when
guys have been in those positions for as long as
John and Mike have been.
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Speaker 2 (17:57):
Gary Danielson, longtime CBS college football analyst, final broadcast New
Year's Eve with Arizona State and Duke, former NFL quarterback
as well. Does it feel like you're retired?
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Not really, because I usually have, you know, these three
or four or five months off before I get going. However,
and it was a year long, really nice schedule. In
fact that every game we did, I was treated royally,
saluted heart from everybody I've ever known every week basically,
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and I know our crew and the CBS family went
out of their way to make it a great finish
for me.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
The Army Navy game, you know, that brings out the
best in you. What is it about that game?
Speaker 7 (18:49):
I guess in a world that's so transactional for everybody,
including me, When I was you know, working my way
and trying to make the NFL, I mean, I was
just so focused on trying to make that league that
I grew up wanting to do. These are all players
that have dedicated their life to something more than just
themselves and their careers. They dedicated their lives to their country.
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But in contrast and along with that, they cared so
much about football.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
And everybody involved in that game.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
Because of that, cared so much about making that presentation
special for them, and the game seemed to always deliver.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
You know, when I first started doing.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
It, it was the first year it was a standalone game,
and I think the country kind of learned to love
that game. I don't know how much longer it's going
to be there, but I feel such when I did
those games, an added sense of responsibility to send those
guys off because they loved the game so much.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Did the College football Playoff Committee get it right?
Speaker 6 (19:55):
I think so?
Speaker 7 (19:56):
I mean, said argue k who was the fourth or
fifteen or the you know who's the tenth, eleventh.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Twelve, thirteenth team. As they got bigger, Dan, I think
you can agree with this.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
They're becoming a thinner and thinner difference between who could
be in the playoffs or not. Usually, when there was
two teams, it was pretty easy maybe one other team.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
When there were four teams.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
It usually was what conference doesn't get their champion involved?
And now it was you know, whether a game in
August mattered to determine who played in January or the
end of December. So I think for the most part,
everybody involved took it seriously.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
I do think it could be improved. Everything could be improved.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
I think the home field advantage, I know, talking to
a lot of coaches off the record, felt that would
be better to play a home game in the first
round then get a buy and I think that's proven out.
I thought Ohio State was a little flat in their game.
So I'm not taking anything away from everybody, but for
the most part, you know, people like I think watching
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games of consequence. You know, that's what I started off
doing in my whole broadcasting career, ended up the last
twenty at CBS. But it felt like every Saturday in
the SEC for eighteen years, we were the.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Center of attention. If people like to watch games like.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
That, Yeah, I just wonder where we're going, because you know,
we're talking March madness where we want to well, not me,
but it feels like we want to expand there's more
money there even with college football. We haven't got to sixteen.
We haven't been at twelve very long. Now we're talking sixteen,
which will probably happen next year. Then they're going to
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extrapolate and go, well, why don't we go to twenty four? Like,
I just don't know what the number is. I remember
when March Madness was thirty two teams Gary, right, we
never stop, We never you know, the NFL was going
to move to eighteen games. This is what we do.
So I wonder college football, where do you see us
in five years?
Speaker 7 (21:58):
I think it will at least be so six teams,
and it could be bigger than that, where eight teams
get to buy and they include more. I don't know
exactly how it'll be, but here's what I feel overall
about this. Freedom and capitalism have a great way of
figuring things out okay, and it ends up going to
the perfect spot, the perfect price point. And you know,
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it used to be unless you had a major conglomate
around you.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
You know, when you started was through ESPN.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
And now guys like you or Pat McAfee or people
starting podcasts, they have the freedom to go out there
and build their own brand and do what they have
to do, and I thought college football kind of got stuck,
where all the great players were gravitating to eight, ten,
twelve schools. I remember I did a seminar at CBS
maybe four or five years ago, and they asked us
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to pick our top ten going into twenty twenty nineteen
or something like that. And I went and sought out
the Old Life magazine when they had their preer Sports
Illustrated preseason top ten from the year I graduated from
high school, and eight of the ten teams were the
exact same ten teams that were preseason this year. And
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I put it up as my top ten, and there
was a team that didn't belong. And what do you
do when I go, Oh, I'm sorry, I put the
wrong one up. I think it's better now.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Is it perfect?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:22):
But here's another thing.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Because there's more money in it, Basically, more of these
athletes are training harder, they're getting individual teachers, they're going
out and having seven on seven leagues, and there's just
a lot more players that were stuck in Division two
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or in the MAC that are now getting their chance
to go to these major colleges that we watch on TV.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
They're not all bad football players.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
So me.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Trinidad Chambliss, great example. My buddy covered him in high
school football when he was in the state championship, said
he was good but not ready for Michigan. Well he
went to Ferris put in a couple more years and
look where he is now. So I just feel there's
more opportunity. And I think it's better than having Georgia
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Texas Ohio State having three good quarterbacks and six goods
offensive tackles that those guys spread out.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
So I don't think there's that much bad about it.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Longtime CBS college football analyst Gary Danielson joining us CAN
this year's Hoosiers supplant the movie Hoosiers the basketball team
is a better story.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
That's a great question. And I just saw that Bobby
Plump was just at the Butler game eighty nine years old.
I don't know if he saw that little clip of him,
you know, and she looked like he could still shoot.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
To me, the way he was waving his hand around,
that would be tougher.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
I think doing a story about six people and a
coach is harder than doing it.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
You know, for as many as there.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
But hey, listen, we've all I mean, I'm a Purdue guy,
you know, and I see I you fans.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Everywhere, and I'm a bit jealous and I'm a bit
in awe at the same time that, you know, I
couldn't have that storyline when I was playing, because it is.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
And I see the fans and they're so proud, and
they got their IU jerseys on their hats, and I
kid them a little bit by selling them that this
would be basketball jerseys and basketball hats right now, But no,
they are all in and they're really, really a good
football team.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
I turned on their tape to do the Oregon game
when they played at Oregon, and I'm just like, they
were considered a fraud from twenty twenty four of their finish,
and I thought it would have been hard for anybody
to go into Ohio State or go into Notre Dame
and beat them. And the more you watch those games,
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they weren't frauds, but they weren't ready for the big
time stage yet. And I just thought they were focused
this year and they when I put on the tape
and watched the different layers, how the defensive linemen worked
for the linebreckers, the three linebackers, they have. I mean,
it's like watching the old Pittsburgh Steelers with Lambert and
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you know those guys, and I mean, they're really, really
good football players, and they got a special quarterback and
a coach that knows how to lead them. I don't
listen to all four teams could easily win these games
and win the championship. But I know Oregon will be
really very focused for this football game. When Indiana beat
them last time in Oregon, which is a tough place
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to play, Oregon was just coming off of their celebration
for beating Penn State, and honestly, when we did our interviews,
I was struck about that. They really couldn't get off
the Penn State story. They were so proud of going
there winning with one hundred and ten thousand, and they
seemed to not take ie you serious. I think they're
gonna take them serious.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
For this guy, best college player you ever saw, I.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Would have to say Cam Newton to tell you, and
I've seen a bunch of great ones. I thought he
had a team that might have won four or.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
Five games without him, and he led him in the SEC.
I knew of him when he was at Florida and
when he left.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
I've seen a bunch of them that were great, no
doubt about it.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
But if I had to pick one in one season,
what he did, I thought cam was amazing in that year.
I think the highest NIL player, if they were in
today's world, for his four years.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Would have been Tim Tebow.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
He broke out my first year in two thousand and six,
won the Heisman and seven and stayed all four years.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
I think he could have made a lot of money
for you the game today.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Can college football have a commissioner?
Speaker 6 (27:54):
It's a great question, and I don't know. It's funny.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
I have a really good friend that runs a managing
partner for a law firm all over the state of Florida,
and he's a big college football fan, And I said, Mike,
you could take your three smartest lawyers and bring three
or four of the best football college football minds into
a room, and I think you'd have a tough time
figuring out how to put someone in charge with all
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the different and all the way people have. What's important
to the big ten or the big twelve is that important?
Speaker 6 (28:27):
You know?
Speaker 7 (28:28):
Everybody has their own dynamics of what will make this
thing go and to make it fair like the NFL,
where you know, things go, then the Big ten and
the SEC.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Would have to seed a lot of power and I
don't know if they're willing to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Thank you for caring, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
I would like to say that, you know, our.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Our end was not exactly the way we've planned it, okay,
and a lot of people put a lot of work
into it. Just like any person, I was very focused
on what I wanted to say at the end, and
we got squished a little bit in time, and it
was really nobody's fault, probably me.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
I was the last one that had the mic, you know,
and I could have got.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
It, but.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
It was really what I just wanted to compose myself
and think my families, you know, my football families, the
teams that I was on, you know, my Purdue family,
my Lion family, my Browns family, my ABC ESPN family.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
I did not thank them.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
There's thirty forty fifty people that I could have thanked
in those sixteen years, and of course my CBS family.
And I also wanted to tell Charles Davis, who's taking
my spot, that this crew turned head over heels for
make my last year great, and that last day great,
and that Todd's likely sat in the seat before me.
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I've been lucky enough for twenty years, and these people
will all do this work for you. Good luck, Charles
is a great seat to have.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Awesome, but it takes too long though. Yeah, I was
gonna cut you off. Gary, you were going too long.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
You know what, you know what they do to a
quarterback if you rush them, they throw interceptions.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
And I threw an interception.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Uh, good luck in whatever's next. But thank you, thank you,
We appreciate it, Gary, Thanks thanks for having me. Gary Danielson,
longtime CBS college football analysts.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
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Speaker 2 (30:36):
He might be a Hall of Famer, he might be
one of the best NFL analysts in America, but he
was not able to beat Jaye Chandler and Derry Ann
in the high school championship game. Steve Young joining us
on the program.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Hi, Steve, beautiful, Dan, thank you, Yeah, yeah, back toyall
Grwich High School. All us patching record to my brothers.
So you have to add a little bit more ignotomy?
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Whatever what happened? I mean, Jade Chandler went out to Princeton,
notable career in finance.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
You know, Dan, it's a question that I wasn't ready for.
I think that uh uh, the the blue waves of Darienn.
Uh just outclastics that day. I don't know what else
to say.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I don't know what which Which town is Richer, Greenwich
or Darienn.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
He look, I told you a thousand times. I grew
up in the mean streets of Greweck. I battled my
way out of there. Do not try to change my narrative.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Uh, you had tattered vineyard vine shirts, didn't you?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Like?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
People, you know, I played with my you know, I
played a lot of guys, you know, from all over
the time. They're like, where are you from? Frewich, Connecticut?
And what's that like? Man, it's tough. It's I try
to play it up because if they ever found out, all.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Right, Uh, let's handicap this. If you had to pick
between well, I'm gonna leave the Niners out of this,
Seahawks and Rams. They have the two best odds to
win the Super Bowl. Who would you pick right now?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Well, watching the Seahawks at the day, I think just momentous.
I don't know just how they're playing right the second. Uh,
I feel like the Seahawks were built, uh, defensively to
just I mean they're just vicious. And then the way
they're running the football and bad weather and as long
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as look to me, as long as Sam doesn't turn
it over, which has been a huge problem this year,
they're going to be just fine. I mean, I'd be
a heck of a game right now. I'm gonna be
honest with you. But and look, Matthew Stafford is abusing
the system today. I mean he we'll talked about before
he grew up in a more sophisticated era. He is
just everybody's open in his mind, you know, like everything's
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just and then uh, you know who is doing his
I mean it's just there's that'd be a great game,
and uh, it's unfortunate I won't be a super Bowl
because of course they're both the NFC. But right now
both are playing really well.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I did think about this with Miles Garrett setting the
single season sack record of LT and Reggie White are
probably considered the two greatest defensive players of all time.
Would you would you say that.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I would say yes to that, and I would say
Reggie was unique. Both of them were unique. But Reggie is.
You had to meet Reggie to know that he was
six six three. His football card said two ninety, which
tells me that he was four hundred. Like you know,
you didn't you know, you're a liar, uh, But he
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was all of it like he was. He was He
shouldn't play quarterback. I mean, he's just that great athlete. Uh.
Not taking any away from LT, but you had to
you had to meet Reggie, you had to play against him.
You had to hear him, you know, screaming as he
like he snapped the balls at hood and you know,
you hear him, and here he comes, he's he's throwing
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people out of the way, and and then there you know,
there he was.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
So is he the greatest defensive player of all time?
Like people want to put Miles Garrett in that conversation,
and I want to be fair to Miles as well,
but Reggie to me was and and me and Joe
Green was probably in there as well. I know that
was before you were playing, but l LT changed the game.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I mean, LT was all of that so doing. Look,
we can talk about LT for five minutes if you
want to as well, But I I saw Reggie so much,
you know, just he was just so he's just one
of a kind. And I'm LT was as well. But yeah,
Miles is. Look, the problem with Miles is he plays
with the Cleveland Browns and no one gets to really
appreciate how singular he is, and especially in this time
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of year. I mean, you know, Reggie and l team
made a lot of their money and a lot of
their reputation in January February, you know, and that's just
that's that's the game, right, That's where you really do
make reputation. So that's what's Uh. You know, I even
talking about Miles of I want to see him play
next week, you know what I mean, I want to
see him. Uh when when you know, just it's all
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on the line and there he is, you know, so
that's only different. It feels like.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
How much do you hear these guys? You said you
could hear Reggie White, but like I'm thinking you got
tunnel vision and tunnel hearing, but there were certain guys
you could hear.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Nah, Yeah, it's pretty you're right. It's like a lot
of white noise and behind you. You know, like even
even the crowd feels like it's just a mind, you know,
it's a faceless or kind of thing. Like I just
to me, you're right, But Reggie was you need because
look all week long Wednesday morning, he was like, Okay,
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we play the Packers, who play the Eagles and uh
Reggie wife of Tennessee six six three forty and uh yeah,
you can't lock them, and what.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Are we gonna do?
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Well, the six guys, it will just surround him, you know,
and then go up the other don't worry about the
just take Reggie. So then you talk about it all week, right,
and the linemen are all getting fired up. And then
uh and so because of that, he was just he
was always focused on and then he he was he's screened.
But he had a boy like I can't make a
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voice like his, Like you can't go that deep, you know,
see I you know, and so you could hear him screaming,
and then you could hear him coming. Then he was there,
and uh, you know, I always make fun of it,
but it is kind of funny, like you drought back
and you're like, oh, here we are you know it
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was great. He was he was a friend. He we
didn't see each other very often. He had a chance
of off. You're great friends. When we're coming out of
college together, my dad helped him find an agent, and
we were kind of got very close, and so all
the time we played. He didn't give me an inch.
He was coming for it. But then as soon as
he got me, hold me Paul back and he's like, Steve,
how you doing that. I'm like, I'm not right now,
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parents here tonight. I'm like, right, Chie, I don't want.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
To talk to you right now, we're talking to the
Hall of Famer Steve Young. The Raiders have just fired
Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
What do they expect, Well, Pete, you know, listen, pizza
organized guy. Pete is inspired. You know, he's his inspiration.
He I think you in today's game, you have you
look at the playoffs. It is Sean Peyton, Sean McVay,
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Kyle Shanahan and Andy Reid and any from the fruit
of those coaching trees is dominating the NFL today. Offensively,
and you know, offensively is the game they keep changing
the rules against. Defense. Defense is important, There's no question.
I mean, there's some great defense out there despite it all,
but the game is dominated by innovative, young offensive minds.
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And so you know, I love Pete. He's one of
my favorite guy's favorite coaches. And I don't think I
still think he could do it, but he's got to
get that help around him that responds to what's happening
right now today, and and then you gotta have the
talent and you have no Look, we keep I always
saved Dan. There's equity owners in the NFL. They're untouchable
(38:38):
because they're the equity owners, like you can't they're they're
the most hot fireable people in America. Are the quarterback
number one, the coach number two, and the general manager
number three. And the guy that cannot be fired is
the guy that's the most impactful is the owner. And
I think, uh, you know, you got to get that
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straight now too, because as you keep going around to care,
look at the Jets, look at the teams that just
keep going around in a carousel failure, they have to
they have to look at themselves. At some point.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
The Browns fired Kevin Stefanski. I'm wondering, if you're a coach,
how you're going into a situation where do you know
if you have a quarterback, did you get enough of
a sample size with Shadoor Sanders where you're not you're
not going to take the job because of shood Or
but are you walking into a situation where you might
be playing shoodh or Sanders.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Yeah, And that's you know, it's tough right now because
it's a developmental project and he is a project, and
he's got a lot of talent. So and you don't
know how projects are always going to turn out. Let's
look at Drake May. They took that's a project, but
that's not a project anymore. And uh, and so that's
the tough spot. Like I just said, if you're a
young innovative mind coming from one of those coaching trees
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that's figured it out, it's felt that it's seen it. Uh,
and then you have somebody who could play h Look
what happened in Chicago, Look what happened in Jacksonville, Look
what happened even in Carolina a little bit. I mean
it's better than it was. You're in a pretty good spot.
But you know, if you've got someone new that is unproven,
you really don't have a chance unless you have look
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at the playoffs. Again, look with this weekend and look
at the guys that are leading it and the dynamic
and should or has that dynamic play in him. But
he's gonna need he needs innovative minds to come teach
him and take out the full measure of who he is.
Right now, we just don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Seventy three games were decided by three points or less
this season. That's tied for the second most in NFL history.
Is that a good thing?
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Yeah, league loves it, that's what they want.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Well, I know the league loves it because they they
want parody. They want a team like Carolina to make
the play They want everybody to have hope. Yeah, and
their games are always close.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
They want that. And again, in the name of safety,
we've changed the game. Uh, and I think it probably
has been. They responded to that. They were afraid that
someone was going to die in the field. A few
people keep launching them bodies as missiles into each other,
and so they they changed the game, slowed it down.
And despite the speed and the athleticism, it's it's just
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a more wide open game. And it's and I've I've
said this for since they've made the changes. It's like
the NBA more and more even it gets more and
more like that. Look at the Pittsburgh Baltimore game last night,
Like look, it's it's the big names in the game,
the closers with a minute and a half or two
minutes left, and that's like, oh, it's on and then
(41:39):
down the field, down the field, down the field, score
score score. That wasn't the way the game was before
you had ten point lead the fourth quarter he kind
of locked it up. Now it's like it's just and
and it's like the NBA, if you have a closer,
you've got a chance, and you're better than better than none.
So the fact that more games that finish him at
three points, that's kind of where the game is today.
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It's wide open, it's wild, it's awesome. Anyone before any
of us older guys are like, dang, I said this,
do you make time like I I don't want to?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Okay, did you say that you could play in the
NFL now recently.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
If it was Hunger Games and it was like you
have to go out there before you you're dead, you die,
you know, I could throw a screen, I could throw something,
I mean, but but yeah, I could still throw it
around a little bit. You feel like, oh, I've been
getting killed on that, Like, no, suit me up. I'm
(42:36):
not ready to go get But if it was so,
it was that or die.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Okay. If I had a draft of quarterbacks over the
age of fifty five, are you going number one?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Like a nutcase. This is where are you going with it?
I tell like crazy, man? I know, yeah, yeah, I
am number Like in the supplemental draft, number.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
One, Brett fav Is fifty six. Do you think you're
a better quarterback now than far of it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:21):
I don't know. Houses are you know?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Oh you've seen those in the backyard. He's killing people
throwing Jerry Rice. You're a guy.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
I can still.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
He took Jerry Rice from you.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
I can still escape.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
You need copper fit is what you need?
Speaker 4 (43:39):
The motion escape.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Any problem with any any problem with Troy Aikman helping
the Dolphins find a head coach.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
You've heard me complain about this, how football's dumb. We
don't we don't take I mean, we asked players. We
used to watch the draft and watch our team draft
and go and then we go to the first mini
camp and we looked around in fifteen minutes, Everyone's like, honey, sucks,
you know, and it's like, well, how is it that
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we know that? How is it that we like they
have scouting deep deep bench of scouts throughout the year,
all over the country, shifting through everything, and you don't
draw on the guys.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Wait, you can tell in fifteen minutes when you first
saw a draft pick.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Okay, I might be conflating it slightly, Okay, but the
idea is true.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
You knew Jerry Rice was going to be great the
first fifteen minutes you saw, You.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Saw that, everyone can see everyone. E's got to go
through what we get that is the NFL. But you
can just tell the guy who loves the game as
the aptitude for it, it's got that talent, that that
that you know, all the intangibles that we play it with,
things that you can't even explain. And the idea that
we don't draw on that, Uh, it feels crazy to
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me and like, why aren't we have And that's not
every guy on the team had that sensibility, but there's
always a handful of guys that you'd want to have
in the room.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Why aren't you a team president?
Speaker 4 (45:20):
I don't know I ran from the game. I don't know.
I just we That's what Roger Starbeck told me to do.
He said, Uh I do I? Roger? What do I?
Speaker 1 (45:27):
What do you?
Speaker 4 (45:27):
What's the advice for transition? He goes, run, you know,
will run wire. Let's just run away. The game will
never leave you, but you got to leave it.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
And uh, would you like to be involved in an organization?
Speaker 4 (45:39):
I think everybody who played probably has a sense that
they could be helpful.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
You know, have the Niners reach out to you?
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Run it? And if you could run like John Lynch,
my good buddy's running the forty nine ers. Why are
you know there's a there's a there's a spirit to it.
Why the forty nine ers are back in the playoffs
again the last eight years since they were there? The
record Shannan and John Lynch? I mean, and it's not
everybody who played is successful at that job. But you
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asked me about Troyman helping the Miami Dolphins. I'm like, yeah,
that can't that can't be a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Troy is fifty nine? Are you a better quarter run up?
Speaker 4 (46:18):
I can spin out and make a play, you.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Know the come on, come on, are you a better
quarterback than Marino.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Oh you know what, I went to my senior year.
I went to the recruiter ship to Army UH West
Point and they played pitt freshman quarterback Dan Marino throw
a laser about forty yards right in front of me
as a senior in ice club, like, hobly, this is
this is what college.
Speaker 6 (46:47):
Is like finished.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
And Marino's what he didn't move when he played, so
he's gonna be standing back. He's sixty four. Marino could
probably still direct the like a two minute drill.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yeah, it would be playing. It's like it's something to
be all old guy. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I didn't even throw Montana in there.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yeah, well you know, look to me the game. That's
what happens with the changes in the game. When Tom
Brady told me four or five years ago, and it
was in Tampa, we were on the field before the
game to go see the game is amazing, Right, It's
changed so much, like the flats are always open, the
middle of the field that's unpatrolled and no one can
hit me. So the fact that anyone that's ever played
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before would say, oh, put me in you know, So
that's that's just a natural thing. It's not like where
I get off my lawn kind of old guy like.
It's just like you see the game today, and you
see the game that I played in the game that's
being played today, and all the guys in the playoffs
this year they have to run around. It's it's normal.
It's not an audity. It's a beautiful thing. Like you're
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you're better than ever if you're you know it used
to be your scramble. You're I can't stand you. You
run around now like you know, it's all came. It's
like I'm missed it by twenty years now.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Rogers Stallback is eighty three.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
He could.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, good to talk to you once again.
Speaker 6 (48:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Not a better high school player apparently than Jay Chandler, but.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
Drey Chandler right now somewhere calling all his buddies, like
I knew I always get my time. My moment.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
The blue wave of Derry Anne dominated you.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah, yeah, hey, you know Granwich High School State champs
again this year, State champs again. So let's I'm just
gonna spin it back on top of it. Damn.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Thank you, Steve, see buddy, Steve Young
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Albert Breer, the Monday morning quarterback senior NFL reporter. We
got Kevin Stefanski fired an hour ago. Why was she fired?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
You know, I think it's just like a water under
the bridge type thing.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
They've been through a lot together over the last six years,
and you know, this goes back, of course, the Deshaun
Watson tray. They've done a lot of good things there.
They made the playoffs in twenty they made the playoffs
in twenty three, you know, and they had a really
good roster he and he and Andrew Berry that they
they inherited. Some of those guys that they inherited are
still there, Miles, Garrett, Denzel Ward, Joel, Antonio.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Wyatt tell like top shelf guys, you know.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
And you know, I just think like the inability to
to to really to take the next step was part
of it, right, and how that all tied to a
single move. I mean, you think about the damage done
by the Deshaun Watson trade, right. It kicks your kicks out,
your ability to draft because you lose three first round picks.
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It kills your salary cap, and that keeps you from
doing anything else, at least for a short period of
time to fix the quarterback position. And so I think
there's an acknowledgment in the building that everybody had their
hands tied behind their backs because of the trade, and
everybody's got blood on their hands because of it. I
just think because of all that history that they had
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been through, and that that Kevin had been through with
the players, you know, it seems to me like Jimmy
just made this decision.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
It's just tough to move forward with the status quo.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
And so I will say this, it's going to be
tough to find a better one than Kevin Stefanski. And
I think everybody's going to find out over the next
two or three days how much the rest of the
league thanks to Stefanski with the amount of interest he's
going to get from other teams.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Is there a chance Deshaun Watson's the starting quarterback for
the Browns next year?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean, I think it's impossible.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
It's impossible to know for sure until we know with
the coaches right if he's healthy and under contract. I
mean that's the thing, like, so you've already so we
already know that they're going to pay to Shaun Watson
forty six million dollars for next year, right, Like if
they cut him, somebody would sign him for the minimum,
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and so it would be forty five. It'd be like
forty five million dollars, you know, So you're already sinking
that into it. You've already sunk three first round picks
into him, you know. I I think the worst thing
for the Browns at this point would be feeling like,
all right, like you know, we're gonna move on, and
then having him go have great success somewhere else. So
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I could certainly see the logic and like saying, like,
you know, we're paying him anyway, we might as well
bring him back.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Here's the one caveat to that.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
The one caveat to that for me would be if
you are going to go all in on a young quarterback, right,
and if there's somebody and I can't remember where they're
pick is you have it in front of you, Dan,
it's I think there's four or five somewhere in there,
and right, they're not five. The Giants are five, but
there's somewhere in there those six six. Okay, So like
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let's say they decide we're gonna go on them for
Nato Mendoza or Dante more and somehow they get in
position to draft one of them.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Then I can see where it's like, Okay.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
It's just not worth it having that around, you know
what I mean, like having kind of the ghost of
quarterbacks past here in the building, you know, and you
want to go with a clean slate for your young quarterback.
But if the plan is to go and bring in
you know, Kirk Cousins to compete with Shador Sanders and
Dylan Gabriel next year, if it's something like that, then
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I don't I'm not sure I see the harm in
taking one more swing at it with Deshaun Watson, just
to make sure you got that wrong, even as every
indication is that you have gotten wrong. And my understanding
is just in the in the in the in the
near term, like he's actually been pretty good, you know,
in the building, and and and and and and through
his rehab over the course of this season, So that
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would be the logic and taking a swing at it,
and that you've already sunk so much into it, you're
already paying him for next year, so why not give
it a run again?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
To me, like the one or the one the one.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
The one caveat there would be if you've got a
young quarterback that you want to go all in on,
you might want to take him out of the equation
just to give the new guy a clean environment.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Better opening. Atlanta or Cleveland, You.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Know, it depends on what you think of Michael Pennox.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Like I I you know, you you would think that
whoever's coming in there is going to have at least
a year and maybe two years with Pennix. They both
have pretty solid young cores. I think, you know, you
look at Atlanta, a good veteran offensive line, one of
the best players in all football in any position in
b Jhon Robinson. I don't know if Kyle Pitts will
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be there, but it looks like he turned a corner.
You've got some young pieces on defense that you like
that you might like, you know, and the young ass
rushers you know, Walker and Pierce that you drafted in
the first round last year.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
But you don't have a first round pick, And.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I think I probably maybe lean Cleveland because you get
to do your thing at quarterback, right so you get
to make your decision at quarterback You've got that great
young draft class, and all those guys are going to
be on rookie contracts for the next few years. And
Mason Graham and Carson Schwessinger and Harold Finnon and the
two running backs, Judkins and Samson, and you have.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Two first round picks.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
I mean, so you've got the ability to kind of
build there with the core. You have a couple of
older pieces in Warden Garrett. I might lean Cleveland, but
it's close. There's there that's not a bear cupboard.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
In either place.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Albert Brier, the Monday Morning quarterback, you've senior NFL reporter.
What should Vegas do?
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Well?
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I think, you know, I'd be surprised if Pete Carroll
made it the day, you know, I think Vegas needs
to figure out how they're going to be set up
going forward. You know, I think Tom Brady's got to
learn how to run a football team. And it sounds
weird coming from me.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
You know what I mean. It's the greatest player of
all time.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
So I don't want to sound like like I don't
want to sound like an idiot saying that, but I
do think that there's parts of it that you know,
people who work there.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So there's a difference between running and all different.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah, John Elway, I get to tell you this, John Elway,
when he got back to Denver in twenty and eleven.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
He eventually became kind of difficult to work for.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
But at the beginning, like there was a very real
acknowledgment on John's part of what he didn't know, you know,
like and he really rolled his sleeves up and learned
how to how to scout and how to evaluate and
like that. You know, that isn't as simple as like, yeah, well,
I you know, I played in the league for a
couple of decades, so I have an idea of what
I'm looking at. Of course you do, but it's not
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the same things as building a team and managing a
football opper, you know, so you know it's going going forward.
What's you know, what's his role in all of that is,
is he committed to learning to run the show because
a lot of people there refer to him as as
the boss, you know, whether you know he's there day
to day or not, and he's not their day to day.
(07:17):
A lot of people there look at him as the
boss of the football operation. So there's that piece of it.
You know, how does Alex Guerrero fit into that. There's
a bunch of people in that building who report Alex Guerrero.
How does you know John Spytech, the general manager. I
you know, I expect he'll be back. You know, what's
his role in picking the coach? And and then how
does the coach fit into the mosaic of all of that?
(07:38):
You know, I think like a huge part of the
issue this year was they kind of pieced everything together right,
Like so it was like, all right, like, let's put
together an all star staff, Like we love Packgrahm as
the DC. He's going to work with Pete Carroll, who,
by the way, has run a completely different defensive system.
And now like let's go get Chip Kelly out of
Ohio State for six million dollars per year and let's
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show our micy we can go and get these sorts
of guys.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Now it's a new day for the Raiders. Well, how
did all those pieces fit together? You know, I think
that's the biggest.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Piece of this is Like, so now with Tom Brady,
you know, you know, ostensibly like the guy who is
in charge, how what does that look like going forward?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
And how do all those pieces fit together?
Speaker 5 (08:19):
To me, that's the biggest piece of what I think
will be a coaching search coming up here in the
next few days and weeks, is like, how does the
coach fit into what you've built? Otherwise, are you reconfiguring
anything any of what you've.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Already got there?
Speaker 5 (08:34):
There are big picture questions that the Raiders need to
answer and obviously a very very big decision coming in
April when it comes to what to do with the
first overall pick.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Tom Brady a better broad counster or owner broadcaster?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Now, I'd say, I mean, we'll see as ownership. I mean,
I would say there are there are so many people
that have been so intelligent that have been humbled moving
into ownership roles. You know, you know I always get
that question, like, how can this guy who built this
empire in business? Now I know what he's doing in football.
I'm sure you have too, right, Like I get that question.
It's not the same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's like the Mets owner, he just thinks I can
buy I buy everything right. In the NFL, you can't
buy everything right.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And and and a lot of them get humbled.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
I mean, every one of them comes in and We're
gonna be the Microsoft in football, you know what I mean, Like,
and we're going to reinvent everything. And that's why you
see so many of these owners like stock up on
analytics when they first, you know, get in the role.
It's like, oh, all of these idiots like are hiring
gym teachers and we're gonna do it a different way. Well,
like there's an art to how this whole thing works
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and how you put the whole thing together, and it's
not as easy. It's just saying I'm gonna throw money
at the problem and I'm going to apply the lessons
I learned in my other business. This is a unique business,
you know. So like I do think like Tom's got
some some I think he's he's he's got some He's
got a lot to learn when it comes to being
in that role top you know, an organization, and you
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know Mark Davis has empowered him to be a big
voice in that organization. He's gotta he's got to find
his voice. I actually think he's gotten really good at
broadcasting too. Dan, Like I I was skeptical at first,
Like I thought is as great as he is, Like
you know, he I think at the beginning was like
a little and I'm not you know, I guess we
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you know if I don't know if you want the
media conversation here.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
But he's a little he could be a little stuff
that first year.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
And I think he's really kind of found his way
with that, you know, like I think he's gotten really
really good at calling games.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I don't even notice it anymore, like like I don't
really care who's doing a game, you know, I used to,
you know, where it was mad and doing it. It
just feels like there's, you know, this plethora of football
that they're just a lot of voices that are there. Yeah,
now there's some that do it better than others, but
I'm not watching. I couldn't tell you what game Tom
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did this weekend.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean, look that's the thing for me too.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
It is like I'll get a better idea of the
whole thing when we get to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I'm following so much.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
I mean, I honestly like I have a better idea
of how you know, herb Street and Collinsworth an Aikman
call a game just because they're standalone games. Like there's
just I'm paying attention to too much. Like in those
one o'clock at four o'clock windows on a Sunday, So
it's hard for me to really dive in. But what
I have seen a Brady, it does seem like he's
gotten really good. And I I, you know, I remember
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hearing this a couple of years ago that he was
studying Johnny Miller and trying to learn how to be critical,
and I thought that was really interesting, you know, So
I do think he's taking the job seriously.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, And you know, I talked to somebody who's friends
with him, and he even said, hey, would you talk
to Tom? I said, Tom doesn't need my input, and
then he said, well, what would you tell him? I
would say, don't try to be too structural, like like,
this is fun, have fun, you know, pick your spots,
you know, say what you need to say, give us insight,
(12:04):
tell us things that we don't know. We don't a
lot of times I found out that these guys who
played don't know that we don't know something, and they'll
be like, oh you know this, Oh you know what,
watch that. I would never think that. And I think
the more that Tom doesn't sound try to sound like
an analyst, the better that he'll be like you know,
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Collinsworth and Herb Street, Aikman, Tony, you know, they kind
of go, you know what, I'm just going to be
myself and that's really hard to do. They tell people
in this business, just be yourself. Yeah, I've been working
for forty years trying to figure out who I am,
So I can't expect Tom to be himself. He may
not know who he is as a person in the spotlight.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I'm with you because I remember when I started doing TV,
you know, twenty years ago. I remember somebody telling me
you want to be almost like one and a half
of yourself, and so then there's a tendency to get
out there and be mister announcer guy with everything and
try to enunciate everything correctly and all that different stuff.
And you know, I sort of like I tell younger
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people now who ask me, I'm like, there'll be a
point when you feel like mister announcer guy, and then
there'll be a point when you're talking to a camera
and you.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Start to feel like yourself.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
And I feel like that's when you're starting to get
it right, Like when you're doing both when it's like, yeah,
I'm not talking like i'd normally be talking to my friends,
but I do sound like myself.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, yeah. In my job, part of my job is
to make you forget that you're on TV or on radio,
which you're pretty good. So we just have a conversation
like that. That's the goal each time, all right, before
I let you go other possible openings.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yeah, So, you know, I think the Dolphins want to
move forward with Mike McDaniel. I know their meeting and
recapping the season here today. I don't anticipate anything today,
but in the next couple of days, you know, I
think they'll make that decision, and you know they're going
to have a little bit of a different structure of
Brandon Shore has been elevated there. He's you know, he's
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reporting directly to ownership. That's their cap guy. So they're
gonna have like sort of a three headed monster, or
they're gonna hire the new GM will be a scouting.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Type and they'll move on from TUA in Miami.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I think that's that's likely. Yeah, I think that's likely.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
I do think McDaniel's fate could be tied and at
least in some way to maybe what's available out there.
You know, does Stefanski is now available? Does John Harball
become available? So that's something and I'm just kind of
like looking through some of my notes.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Does John Harball become available?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
I think that's a little bit of a coin flip
right now. You know, I think you have those discussions.
I wouldn't move on from him if I were the Ravens,
but I would say this. I had people there tell
me that they believe this is the best roster they'd
ever had going into the season, that level of expectation
with the team, You've got a looming contract negotiat with
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Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
There's just a.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Lot to sort through and digging out from underneath the
season there, And you know, I think that that.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Provokes those big picture questions.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
So I wouldn't say I'm one hundred percent one way
or the other on the Ravens. The Cardinals, I'd expect
they're going to hang on to their general manager, Monty
Austin for it. They really like Jonathan Gannon, their head coach. Obviously,
they end the season the way they've ended, which I
don't think they've won a game since September October.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But you know, I think and they move on from
Kyler Murray as well.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
I think, well, I think with Gannon, the thing is
like I think it may come down to and Gannon's
a really loyal guy. I wonder if they ask him
to make changes on his coaching staff and that leads
to something.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
You know, we've seen that before, so you know, does
does does he go.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Down with the ship? I think that that's a fair question.
Kyler Murray's future is certainly tied.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
To all of that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You know as well, and about real quick before I
before I have to go more likely to move on
from their team Harball in Baltimore or Tomlin in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Right now because the Steelers are in I would say
Harbaugh in Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
But if they lose that game at home, it's weird
they make that kick.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
If they made I know's the thing about Here's the
thing about the Steelers, though, Dan. The Steelers have TJ. Watt,
Cam Hayward, Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Rodgers. All these guys are
older players, right, and so a pretty pretty substantial reset
is coming. That's when that conversation happens, right, Like, Dud,
does Mike Tomlin want to go through a two or
(16:36):
a three or four year rebuild, right, Do the Steelers
see him as the voice they want in there leading
that rebuild.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
If you're Tomlin, do you look at it and say
what I do?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Do I want to do that or do I want
to take a year in TV and then maybe go
to a situation in twenty seven that's a little bit
more ready made because their season is still going on.
I don't think they fully confronted those questions, you know,
I think both are you know again like I that
those are those are two more where I just I think,
you know, Baltimore and Pittsburgh are both a little bit
(17:06):
up in the air. But that's what you get when
guys have been in those positions for as long as
John and Mike have been.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
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Speaker 2 (17:57):
Gary Danielson, longtime CBS college football analyst, final broadcast New
Year's Eve with Arizona State and Duke, former NFL quarterback
as well. Does it feel like you're retired?
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Not really, because I usually have, you know, these three
or four or five months off before I get going. However,
and it was a year long, really nice schedule. In
fact that every game we did, I was treated royally,
saluted heart from everybody I've ever known every week basically,
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and I know our crew and the CBS family went
out of their way to make it a great finish
for me.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
The Army Navy game, you know, that brings out the
best in you. What is it about that game?
Speaker 7 (18:49):
I guess in a world that's so transactional for everybody,
including me, When I was you know, working my way
and trying to make the NFL, I mean, I was
just so focused on trying to make that league that
I grew up wanting to do. These are all players
that have dedicated their life to something more than just
themselves and their careers. They dedicated their lives to their country.
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But in contrast and along with that, they cared so
much about football.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
And everybody involved in that game.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
Because of that, cared so much about making that presentation
special for them, and the game seemed to always deliver.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
You know, when I first started doing.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
It, it was the first year it was a standalone game,
and I think the country kind of learned to love
that game. I don't know how much longer it's going
to be there, but I feel such when I did
those games, an added sense of responsibility to send those
guys off because they loved the game so much.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Did the College football Playoff Committee get it right?
Speaker 6 (19:55):
I think so?
Speaker 7 (19:56):
I mean, said argue k who was the fourth or
fifteen or the you know who's the tenth, eleventh.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Twelve, thirteenth team. As they got bigger, Dan, I think
you can agree with this.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
They're becoming a thinner and thinner difference between who could
be in the playoffs or not. Usually, when there was
two teams, it was pretty easy maybe one other team.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
When there were four teams.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
It usually was what conference doesn't get their champion involved?
And now it was you know, whether a game in
August mattered to determine who played in January or the
end of December. So I think for the most part,
everybody involved took it seriously.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
I do think it could be improved. Everything could be improved.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
I think the home field advantage, I know, talking to
a lot of coaches off the record, felt that would
be better to play a home game in the first
round then get a buy and I think that's proven out.
I thought Ohio State was a little flat in their game.
So I'm not taking anything away from everybody, but for
the most part, you know, people like I think watching
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games of consequence. You know, that's what I started off
doing in my whole broadcasting career, ended up the last
twenty at CBS. But it felt like every Saturday in
the SEC for eighteen years, we were the.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Center of attention. If people like to watch games like.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
That, Yeah, I just wonder where we're going, because you know,
we're talking March madness where we want to well, not me,
but it feels like we want to expand there's more
money there even with college football. We haven't got to sixteen.
We haven't been at twelve very long. Now we're talking sixteen,
which will probably happen next year. Then they're going to
(21:37):
extrapolate and go, well, why don't we go to twenty four? Like,
I just don't know what the number is. I remember
when March Madness was thirty two teams Gary, right, we
never stop, We never you know, the NFL was going
to move to eighteen games. This is what we do.
So I wonder college football, where do you see us
in five years?
Speaker 7 (21:58):
I think it will at least be so six teams,
and it could be bigger than that, where eight teams
get to buy and they include more. I don't know
exactly how it'll be, but here's what I feel overall
about this. Freedom and capitalism have a great way of
figuring things out okay, and it ends up going to
the perfect spot, the perfect price point. And you know,
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it used to be unless you had a major conglomate
around you.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
You know, when you started was through ESPN.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
And now guys like you or Pat McAfee or people
starting podcasts, they have the freedom to go out there
and build their own brand and do what they have
to do, and I thought college football kind of got stuck,
where all the great players were gravitating to eight, ten,
twelve schools. I remember I did a seminar at CBS
maybe four or five years ago, and they asked us
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to pick our top ten going into twenty twenty nineteen
or something like that. And I went and sought out
the Old Life magazine when they had their preer Sports
Illustrated preseason top ten from the year I graduated from
high school, and eight of the ten teams were the
exact same ten teams that were preseason this year. And
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I put it up as my top ten, and there
was a team that didn't belong. And what do you
do when I go, Oh, I'm sorry, I put the
wrong one up. I think it's better now.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Is it perfect?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:22):
But here's another thing.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
Because there's more money in it, Basically, more of these
athletes are training harder, they're getting individual teachers, they're going
out and having seven on seven leagues, and there's just
a lot more players that were stuck in Division two
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or in the MAC that are now getting their chance
to go to these major colleges that we watch on TV.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
They're not all bad football players.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
So me.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Trinidad Chambliss, great example. My buddy covered him in high
school football when he was in the state championship, said
he was good but not ready for Michigan. Well he
went to Ferris put in a couple more years and
look where he is now. So I just feel there's
more opportunity. And I think it's better than having Georgia
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Texas Ohio State having three good quarterbacks and six goods
offensive tackles that those guys spread out.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
So I don't think there's that much bad about it.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Longtime CBS college football analyst Gary Danielson joining us CAN
this year's Hoosiers supplant the movie Hoosiers the basketball team
is a better story.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
That's a great question. And I just saw that Bobby
Plump was just at the Butler game eighty nine years old.
I don't know if he saw that little clip of him,
you know, and she looked like he could still shoot.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
To me, the way he was waving his hand around,
that would be tougher.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
I think doing a story about six people and a
coach is harder than doing it.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
You know, for as many as there.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
But hey, listen, we've all I mean, I'm a Purdue guy,
you know, and I see I you fans.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Everywhere, and I'm a bit jealous and I'm a bit
in awe at the same time that, you know, I
couldn't have that storyline when I was playing, because it is.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
And I see the fans and they're so proud, and
they got their IU jerseys on their hats, and I
kid them a little bit by selling them that this
would be basketball jerseys and basketball hats right now, But no,
they are all in and they're really, really a good
football team.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
I turned on their tape to do the Oregon game
when they played at Oregon, and I'm just like, they
were considered a fraud from twenty twenty four of their finish,
and I thought it would have been hard for anybody
to go into Ohio State or go into Notre Dame
and beat them. And the more you watch those games,
(25:54):
they weren't frauds, but they weren't ready for the big
time stage yet. And I just thought they were focused
this year and they when I put on the tape
and watched the different layers, how the defensive linemen worked
for the linebreckers, the three linebackers, they have. I mean,
it's like watching the old Pittsburgh Steelers with Lambert and
(26:15):
you know those guys, and I mean, they're really, really
good football players, and they got a special quarterback and
a coach that knows how to lead them. I don't
listen to all four teams could easily win these games
and win the championship. But I know Oregon will be
really very focused for this football game. When Indiana beat
them last time in Oregon, which is a tough place
(26:37):
to play, Oregon was just coming off of their celebration
for beating Penn State, and honestly, when we did our interviews,
I was struck about that. They really couldn't get off
the Penn State story. They were so proud of going
there winning with one hundred and ten thousand, and they
seemed to not take ie you serious. I think they're
gonna take them serious.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
For this guy, best college player you ever saw, I.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Would have to say Cam Newton to tell you, and
I've seen a bunch of great ones. I thought he
had a team that might have won four or.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
Five games without him, and he led him in the SEC.
I knew of him when he was at Florida and
when he left.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
I've seen a bunch of them that were great, no
doubt about it.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
But if I had to pick one in one season,
what he did, I thought cam was amazing in that year.
I think the highest NIL player, if they were in
today's world, for his four years.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Would have been Tim Tebow.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
He broke out my first year in two thousand and six,
won the Heisman and seven and stayed all four years.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
I think he could have made a lot of money
for you the game today.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Can college football have a commissioner?
Speaker 6 (27:54):
It's a great question, and I don't know. It's funny.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
I have a really good friend that runs a managing
partner for a law firm all over the state of Florida,
and he's a big college football fan, And I said, Mike,
you could take your three smartest lawyers and bring three
or four of the best football college football minds into
a room, and I think you'd have a tough time
figuring out how to put someone in charge with all
(28:18):
the different and all the way people have. What's important
to the big ten or the big twelve is that important?
Speaker 6 (28:27):
You know?
Speaker 7 (28:28):
Everybody has their own dynamics of what will make this
thing go and to make it fair like the NFL,
where you know, things go, then the Big ten and
the SEC.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Would have to seed a lot of power and I
don't know if they're willing to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Thank you for caring, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
I would like to say that, you know, our.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Our end was not exactly the way we've planned it, okay,
and a lot of people put a lot of work
into it. Just like any person, I was very focused
on what I wanted to say at the end, and
we got squished a little bit in time, and it
was really nobody's fault, probably me.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
I was the last one that had the mic, you know,
and I could have got.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
It, but.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
It was really what I just wanted to compose myself
and think my families, you know, my football families, the
teams that I was on, you know, my Purdue family,
my Lion family, my Browns family, my ABC ESPN family.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
I did not thank them.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
There's thirty forty fifty people that I could have thanked
in those sixteen years, and of course my CBS family.
And I also wanted to tell Charles Davis, who's taking
my spot, that this crew turned head over heels for
make my last year great, and that last day great,
and that Todd's likely sat in the seat before me.
(29:56):
I've been lucky enough for twenty years, and these people
will all do this work for you. Good luck, Charles
is a great seat to have.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Awesome, but it takes too long though. Yeah, I was
gonna cut you off. Gary, you were going too long.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
You know what, you know what they do to a
quarterback if you rush them, they throw interceptions.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
And I threw an interception.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Uh, good luck in whatever's next. But thank you, thank you,
We appreciate it, Gary, Thanks thanks for having me. Gary Danielson,
longtime CBS college football analysts.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
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Speaker 2 (30:36):
He might be a Hall of Famer, he might be
one of the best NFL analysts in America, but he
was not able to beat Jaye Chandler and Derry Ann
in the high school championship game. Steve Young joining us
on the program.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Hi, Steve, beautiful, Dan, thank you, Yeah, yeah, back toyall
Grwich High School. All us patching record to my brothers.
So you have to add a little bit more ignotomy?
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Whatever what happened? I mean, Jade Chandler went out to Princeton,
notable career in finance.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
You know, Dan, it's a question that I wasn't ready for.
I think that uh uh, the the blue waves of Darienn.
Uh just outclastics that day. I don't know what else
to say.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I don't know what which Which town is Richer, Greenwich
or Darienn.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
He look, I told you a thousand times. I grew
up in the mean streets of Greweck. I battled my
way out of there. Do not try to change my narrative.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Uh, you had tattered vineyard vine shirts, didn't you?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Like?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
People, you know, I played with my you know, I
played a lot of guys, you know, from all over
the time. They're like, where are you from? Frewich, Connecticut?
And what's that like? Man, it's tough. It's I try
to play it up because if they ever found out, all.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Right, Uh, let's handicap this. If you had to pick
between well, I'm gonna leave the Niners out of this,
Seahawks and Rams. They have the two best odds to
win the Super Bowl. Who would you pick right now?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Well, watching the Seahawks at the day, I think just momentous.
I don't know just how they're playing right the second. Uh,
I feel like the Seahawks were built, uh, defensively to
just I mean they're just vicious. And then the way
they're running the football and bad weather and as long
(32:43):
as look to me, as long as Sam doesn't turn
it over, which has been a huge problem this year,
they're going to be just fine. I mean, I'd be
a heck of a game right now. I'm gonna be
honest with you. But and look, Matthew Stafford is abusing
the system today. I mean he we'll talked about before
he grew up in a more sophisticated era. He is
just everybody's open in his mind, you know, like everything's
(33:06):
just and then uh, you know who is doing his
I mean it's just there's that'd be a great game,
and uh, it's unfortunate I won't be a super Bowl
because of course they're both the NFC. But right now
both are playing really well.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I did think about this with Miles Garrett setting the
single season sack record of LT and Reggie White are
probably considered the two greatest defensive players of all time.
Would you would you say that.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I would say yes to that, and I would say
Reggie was unique. Both of them were unique. But Reggie is.
You had to meet Reggie to know that he was
six six three. His football card said two ninety, which
tells me that he was four hundred. Like you know,
you didn't you know, you're a liar, uh, But he
(33:55):
was all of it like he was. He was He
shouldn't play quarterback. I mean, he's just that great athlete. Uh.
Not taking any away from LT, but you had to
you had to meet Reggie, you had to play against him.
You had to hear him, you know, screaming as he
like he snapped the balls at hood and you know,
you hear him, and here he comes, he's he's throwing
(34:16):
people out of the way, and and then there you know,
there he was.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
So is he the greatest defensive player of all time?
Like people want to put Miles Garrett in that conversation,
and I want to be fair to Miles as well,
but Reggie to me was and and me and Joe
Green was probably in there as well. I know that
was before you were playing, but l LT changed the game.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I mean, LT was all of that so doing. Look,
we can talk about LT for five minutes if you
want to as well, But I I saw Reggie so much,
you know, just he was just so he's just one
of a kind. And I'm LT was as well. But yeah,
Miles is. Look, the problem with Miles is he plays
with the Cleveland Browns and no one gets to really
appreciate how singular he is, and especially in this time
(35:04):
of year. I mean, you know, Reggie and l team
made a lot of their money and a lot of
their reputation in January February, you know, and that's just
that's that's the game, right, That's where you really do
make reputation. So that's what's Uh. You know, I even
talking about Miles of I want to see him play
next week, you know what I mean, I want to
see him. Uh when when you know, just it's all
(35:27):
on the line and there he is, you know, so
that's only different. It feels like.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
How much do you hear these guys? You said you
could hear Reggie White, but like I'm thinking you got
tunnel vision and tunnel hearing, but there were certain guys
you could hear.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Nah, Yeah, it's pretty you're right. It's like a lot
of white noise and behind you. You know, like even
even the crowd feels like it's just a mind, you know,
it's a faceless or kind of thing. Like I just
to me, you're right, But Reggie was you need because
look all week long Wednesday morning, he was like, Okay,
(36:04):
we play the Packers, who play the Eagles and uh
Reggie wife of Tennessee six six three forty and uh yeah,
you can't lock them, and what.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Are we gonna do?
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Well, the six guys, it will just surround him, you know,
and then go up the other don't worry about the
just take Reggie. So then you talk about it all week, right,
and the linemen are all getting fired up. And then
uh and so because of that, he was just he
was always focused on and then he he was he's screened.
But he had a boy like I can't make a
(36:34):
voice like his, Like you can't go that deep, you know,
see I you know, and so you could hear him screaming,
and then you could hear him coming. Then he was there,
and uh, you know, I always make fun of it,
but it is kind of funny, like you drought back
and you're like, oh, here we are you know it
(36:56):
was great. He was he was a friend. He we
didn't see each other very often. He had a chance
of off. You're great friends. When we're coming out of
college together, my dad helped him find an agent, and
we were kind of got very close, and so all
the time we played. He didn't give me an inch.
He was coming for it. But then as soon as
he got me, hold me Paul back and he's like, Steve,
how you doing that. I'm like, I'm not right now,
(37:20):
parents here tonight. I'm like, right, Chie, I don't want.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
To talk to you right now, we're talking to the
Hall of Famer Steve Young. The Raiders have just fired
Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
What do they expect, Well, Pete, you know, listen, pizza
organized guy. Pete is inspired. You know, he's his inspiration.
He I think you in today's game, you have you
look at the playoffs. It is Sean Peyton, Sean McVay,
(37:54):
Kyle Shanahan and Andy Reid and any from the fruit
of those coaching trees is dominating the NFL today. Offensively,
and you know, offensively is the game they keep changing
the rules against. Defense. Defense is important, There's no question.
I mean, there's some great defense out there despite it all,
but the game is dominated by innovative, young offensive minds.
(38:16):
And so you know, I love Pete. He's one of
my favorite guy's favorite coaches. And I don't think I
still think he could do it, but he's got to
get that help around him that responds to what's happening
right now today, and and then you gotta have the
talent and you have no Look, we keep I always
saved Dan. There's equity owners in the NFL. They're untouchable
(38:38):
because they're the equity owners, like you can't they're they're
the most hot fireable people in America. Are the quarterback
number one, the coach number two, and the general manager
number three. And the guy that cannot be fired is
the guy that's the most impactful is the owner. And
I think, uh, you know, you got to get that
(38:58):
straight now too, because as you keep going around to care,
look at the Jets, look at the teams that just
keep going around in a carousel failure, they have to
they have to look at themselves. At some point.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
The Browns fired Kevin Stefanski. I'm wondering, if you're a coach,
how you're going into a situation where do you know
if you have a quarterback, did you get enough of
a sample size with Shadoor Sanders where you're not you're
not going to take the job because of shood Or
but are you walking into a situation where you might
be playing shoodh or Sanders.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Yeah, And that's you know, it's tough right now because
it's a developmental project and he is a project, and
he's got a lot of talent. So and you don't
know how projects are always going to turn out. Let's
look at Drake May. They took that's a project, but
that's not a project anymore. And uh, and so that's
the tough spot. Like I just said, if you're a
young innovative mind coming from one of those coaching trees
(39:53):
that's figured it out, it's felt that it's seen it. Uh,
and then you have somebody who could play h Look
what happened in Chicago, Look what happened in Jacksonville, Look
what happened even in Carolina a little bit. I mean
it's better than it was. You're in a pretty good spot.
But you know, if you've got someone new that is unproven,
you really don't have a chance unless you have look
(40:15):
at the playoffs. Again, look with this weekend and look
at the guys that are leading it and the dynamic
and should or has that dynamic play in him. But
he's gonna need he needs innovative minds to come teach
him and take out the full measure of who he is.
Right now, we just don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Seventy three games were decided by three points or less
this season. That's tied for the second most in NFL history.
Is that a good thing?
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Yeah, league loves it, that's what they want.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Well, I know the league loves it because they they
want parody. They want a team like Carolina to make
the play They want everybody to have hope. Yeah, and
their games are always close.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
They want that. And again, in the name of safety,
we've changed the game. Uh, and I think it probably
has been. They responded to that. They were afraid that
someone was going to die in the field. A few
people keep launching them bodies as missiles into each other,
and so they they changed the game, slowed it down.
And despite the speed and the athleticism, it's it's just
(41:16):
a more wide open game. And it's and I've I've
said this for since they've made the changes. It's like
the NBA more and more even it gets more and
more like that. Look at the Pittsburgh Baltimore game last night,
Like look, it's it's the big names in the game,
the closers with a minute and a half or two
minutes left, and that's like, oh, it's on and then
(41:39):
down the field, down the field, down the field, score
score score. That wasn't the way the game was before
you had ten point lead the fourth quarter he kind
of locked it up. Now it's like it's just and
and it's like the NBA, if you have a closer,
you've got a chance, and you're better than better than none.
So the fact that more games that finish him at
three points, that's kind of where the game is today.
(42:00):
It's wide open, it's wild, it's awesome. Anyone before any
of us older guys are like, dang, I said this,
do you make time like I I don't want to?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Okay, did you say that you could play in the
NFL now recently.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
If it was Hunger Games and it was like you
have to go out there before you you're dead, you die,
you know, I could throw a screen, I could throw something,
I mean, but but yeah, I could still throw it
around a little bit. You feel like, oh, I've been
getting killed on that, Like, no, suit me up. I'm
(42:36):
not ready to go get But if it was so,
it was that or die.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Okay. If I had a draft of quarterbacks over the
age of fifty five, are you going number one?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Like a nutcase. This is where are you going with it?
I tell like crazy, man? I know, yeah, yeah, I
am number Like in the supplemental draft, number.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
One, Brett fav Is fifty six. Do you think you're
a better quarterback now than far of it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:21):
I don't know. Houses are you know?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Oh you've seen those in the backyard. He's killing people
throwing Jerry Rice. You're a guy.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
I can still.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
He took Jerry Rice from you.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
I can still escape.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
You need copper fit is what you need?
Speaker 4 (43:39):
The motion escape.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Any problem with any any problem with Troy Aikman helping
the Dolphins find a head coach.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
You've heard me complain about this, how football's dumb. We
don't we don't take I mean, we asked players. We
used to watch the draft and watch our team draft
and go and then we go to the first mini
camp and we looked around in fifteen minutes, Everyone's like, honey, sucks,
you know, and it's like, well, how is it that
(44:14):
we know that? How is it that we like they
have scouting deep deep bench of scouts throughout the year,
all over the country, shifting through everything, and you don't
draw on the guys.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Wait, you can tell in fifteen minutes when you first
saw a draft pick.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Okay, I might be conflating it slightly, Okay, but the
idea is true.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
You knew Jerry Rice was going to be great the
first fifteen minutes you saw, You.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Saw that, everyone can see everyone. E's got to go
through what we get that is the NFL. But you
can just tell the guy who loves the game as
the aptitude for it, it's got that talent, that that
that you know, all the intangibles that we play it with,
things that you can't even explain. And the idea that
we don't draw on that, Uh, it feels crazy to
(45:06):
me and like, why aren't we have And that's not
every guy on the team had that sensibility, but there's
always a handful of guys that you'd want to have
in the room.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Why aren't you a team president?
Speaker 4 (45:20):
I don't know I ran from the game. I don't know.
I just we That's what Roger Starbeck told me to do.
He said, Uh I do I? Roger? What do I?
Speaker 1 (45:27):
What do you?
Speaker 4 (45:27):
What's the advice for transition? He goes, run, you know,
will run wire. Let's just run away. The game will
never leave you, but you got to leave it.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
And uh, would you like to be involved in an organization?
Speaker 4 (45:39):
I think everybody who played probably has a sense that
they could be helpful.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
You know, have the Niners reach out to you?
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Run it? And if you could run like John Lynch,
my good buddy's running the forty nine ers. Why are
you know there's a there's a there's a spirit to it.
Why the forty nine ers are back in the playoffs
again the last eight years since they were there? The
record Shannan and John Lynch? I mean, and it's not
everybody who played is successful at that job. But you
(46:06):
asked me about Troyman helping the Miami Dolphins. I'm like, yeah,
that can't that can't be a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Troy is fifty nine? Are you a better quarter run up?
Speaker 4 (46:18):
I can spin out and make a play, you.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Know the come on, come on, are you a better
quarterback than Marino.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Oh you know what, I went to my senior year.
I went to the recruiter ship to Army UH West
Point and they played pitt freshman quarterback Dan Marino throw
a laser about forty yards right in front of me
as a senior in ice club, like, hobly, this is
this is what college.
Speaker 6 (46:47):
Is like finished.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
And Marino's what he didn't move when he played, so
he's gonna be standing back. He's sixty four. Marino could
probably still direct the like a two minute drill.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yeah, it would be playing. It's like it's something to
be all old guy. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I didn't even throw Montana in there.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yeah, well you know, look to me the game. That's
what happens with the changes in the game. When Tom
Brady told me four or five years ago, and it
was in Tampa, we were on the field before the
game to go see the game is amazing, Right, It's
changed so much, like the flats are always open, the
middle of the field that's unpatrolled and no one can
hit me. So the fact that anyone that's ever played
(47:31):
before would say, oh, put me in you know, So
that's that's just a natural thing. It's not like where
I get off my lawn kind of old guy like.
It's just like you see the game today, and you
see the game that I played in the game that's
being played today, and all the guys in the playoffs
this year they have to run around. It's it's normal.
It's not an audity. It's a beautiful thing. Like you're
(47:53):
you're better than ever if you're you know it used
to be your scramble. You're I can't stand you. You
run around now like you know, it's all came. It's
like I'm missed it by twenty years now.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Rogers Stallback is eighty three.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
He could.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, good to talk to you once again.
Speaker 6 (48:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Not a better high school player apparently than Jay Chandler, but.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
Drey Chandler right now somewhere calling all his buddies, like
I knew I always get my time. My moment.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
The blue wave of Derry Anne dominated you.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah, yeah, hey, you know Granwich High School State champs
again this year, State champs again. So let's I'm just
gonna spin it back on top of it. Damn.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Thank you, Steve, see buddy, Steve Young
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