January 6, 2026 • 46 mins
NFL front office insider Mike Tannenbaum lays out the NFL head coaching carousel and shares which teams appear to be the brightest landing spots. New Michigan Head Football Coach Kyle Whittingham explains his decision to join Michigan after over 30 years in Utah and calls the current situation with the NCAA N.I.L. and transfer portal rules "unsustainable." Hall of Fame hooper Reggie Miller sees the Warriors and Clippers as talented but flawed and is very optimistic about the Pistons' chances in the East.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
You have all these coaching vacancies, and it feels like
every year it's around five to seven vacancies. And I
had a source yesterday say, hey, I understand you make
these coaching moves, but who are the candidates? Like who
is Ben Johnson this year? Who's Aaron Glenn this year?
Who's that coordinator? Where you go, that's why we're making
the move. You can look at your team, you can
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employ your team to let's make a change. Okay, the Steelers,
you make a change, they lose this weekend. Who you
bringing in the Ravens? You bringing in somebody better than
John Harbaugh? And I know sometimes you need change, but
I don't like change for change's sake. I think you
got to be careful. And you know, we always feel
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like the next guy is going to be better. That's
not always the case. The next quarterback is going to
be better. Not always the case. Mike Tann and mom.
He's been in these battles. P a NFL front office insider.
You can see him on Get Up Sports Center NFL Live.
Let's look at the six openings. Let's start with the
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worst opening.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I would say Arizona, Dan, given the fact that the
uncertainty of Kyler Murray, the number of good young players
on the contract. I think Marvin Harrison could be a superstar.
Trade McBride is a very good player, but beyond that,
I think there's a lot more questions than answers in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
All right. Next on the list would be.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, I would say Vegas, but like that cuts both
ways because if you get Fernando Mendoza, in my opinion,
someone like Kurt Signetti, who I think would be a
fascinating higher that could be truly transformational.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
So we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I think there's a lot of way a wait, hold on,
hold on, you're talking about a package deal for the
Raiders with Kurt Signetting Dan who says no?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Who says no?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
When you go back over the last forty years and
nobody knows this fair than you do in North American sports,
and you think about the transformational coaching jobs. When you
talk about Mike Cheshesti leaving West Point and creating Duke basketball,
you could talk about Jim Calhoun going from Northeastern to
yukon men's basketball. You could talk about Gino Ariama and
women's basketball. But when you think about where they've been
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for over one hundred years and what he's done in
two years. And I say this a lot. The data
is overwhelming that college coaches fail. But what in Kurt
Signetti's background would lead you to believe that he wouldn't
be successful.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I always look at style. You know that style works
in college? Does it work you know with pro players?
So that would be the first thing I would say.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Dan, you're a form professional baseball player. You gravitated to
coaches who made you better that would ultimately make you
more money. And there's a lot of different styles that
work in the NFL across the board. And if Kurt
Signetti walked into that building, what the credibility he has?
And he's won at Indiana University in Pennsylvania. He'sn't one
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at James Madison. He won at Indiana where no one's
ever won before. If I'm a player, this man may
be able to put more money in my pocket, I'm
gonna give him a chance.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Okay. Next on that coaching vacancy list, you know Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I look, look, the situation to Cleveland is they have
some good young players. You know, they had a productive
draft this year. Carson Swassinger. I think quin Shawn Jenkins
will be a good player. Harold Fannon should be a
good player. But the offensive line isn't where it once was,
and obviously the quarterback position has massive question marks. From
Deshaun Watson Shador Sanders, who I'd liked a lot. I
thought he was a second round pick coming out, but
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there's a lot of questions about who's going to be
quarterback there. So that's why to me, Vegas and Cleveland
have their challenges.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Okay, why isn't a hit? The elephant is in the
room and it's Deshaun Watson. If he was practicing with
the team, he's under contract. Is he going to get
a chance to be the starting quarterback for the Browns
next season?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
You know?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Possibly, but he's a band aid because he's finally you know,
they're over the guaranteed money next year. So possibly, but
we need if you and I are running the Browns,
job one, two and three is to get that position solidified.
Dylan Gabriel is a twobe, probably a three. Chador may
be a French starter. What do we have there? And
just Deshaun Watson help us get the new coach established. Possibly,
but at the end of the day, we got to
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go get a new quarterback.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yeah, but man, that job.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
As much as you get a great fan base and
you do have some talent there, you're still walking into
a situation where ownership or GM decided they were going
to go rogue with you know, their quarterbacks. And you
can't have two rookie quarterbacks. I mean that, That to
me is malpractice.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
And with the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I understand, and look, Shaudor may make it, you know,
he certainly can't. I'm just saying, let's not put our
eggs in his basket. Let's go get another one. That's
why I think that's in the bottom of the six jobs.
That's still to be in the bottom tier.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Right next on the list, I would go.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
With the Giants.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I like Jackson Dart a little concerned about his completion
percentage was near the bottom this year, twenty seventh heading
until last game. Obviously, he has to learn how to
take better care of himself down I lived that.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Ironically.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
In New York, we brought in Joe Girardi, who at
the time was the manager of the Yankees, to work
with Mark Sanchez on a protection plan. Learn how to slide,
learn how to shift your body weight. So I think
that's a skill you can learn and one of the
things I would tell all these young quarterbacks, Cam Wore,
Jadeen Daniels, Jackson Dart. Part of the evaluation process of
you being a great player is a protection plan you
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need to have because your availability is part and parcel
in the value you bring to this team.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
You needed somebody to teach Mark Sanchez how to slide.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Rex Ryan brought in Girardi and it actually was an
incredible afternoon because it really I think helped Mark become
a better He protected himself better after we met with Girardi.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
It's a skill.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Dan, Look, you're a baseball player, you would know it
better than most football coaches. But obviously the nuances of
one to go out of bounds, you know, obviously there
was that big hit in the New England game, Like
he'll learn from that. But it is a skill to
understand how you protect yourself. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, those
guys knew when to throw it away, they knew when
to go down like they played for a long time.
And Jackson Dart, it's a skill that he could get
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better at. But that's something he has to work at.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, but he has to understand that.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
You know that his mindset, he can he can know
how to slide, Mike, but he has to want to slide.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
That's the biggest problem I see with Jackson dart Well.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
The head coach has to make it part of your
job description. If you want to play football here, if
you want to be your starting quarterback, you will slide.
If you take unnecessary and reckless it's either you're going
to get bench or you're gonna get hurt. So either
one of them is going to make you not on
the field. So let's come up with a plan where
you could be aggressive. There's times to dive, there's times
to go head first, third down, end zone, fourth down,
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but there's also times where you got to lift to
fight another down, and that comes with experienced maturity. I
think he'll get there.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
The best opening then is.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Oh, well, you know, you look at Atlanta and Tennessee.
I would put Tennessee first. I think when cam Ward
has attribute you can't see when you're successful at incarnagget
word in Washington State and then at Miami. The thing
that was most impressive to me, was at the combine
last year talking to cam Ward's teammates, and he has
attribute you can't see. So I'm betting on the character
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cam Ward. Look, Dan Moore was horrific at left tackle
this year. Kevin Zeitler's close to the end. They're gonna
have to fix the offensive line, but they have the quarterback.
They have a brand new stadium that's basically being you know,
renovated there. I think Nashal is a great place to
attract people. I certainly think that's the best job available.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Explain to me the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, well, you know, Pennickxwood healthy is a great player.
I think he's somebody that can be a franchise quarterback. Now, look,
he's had multiple ACL injuries. I would keep Kirk Cousins.
They have great young talent, Vijion Robinson, obviously, Drake London.
Kyle Pitts has been somewhat inconsistent.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
To me, that's the.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Second best job, just given you know, all that young talent.
To Kenley, I was a little surprised, you know that
Raheem was let go given any one four straight but
you know, I understand two non playoff seasons and the
standards are high.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
There is there a hot coaching candidate.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Besides the aforementioned mister Signetti.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Look, I think there's a bunch of guys that would
be really, really good. Look Kevin Stefanski to me, has
you know, a good track record and certainly deserves, you know,
the opportunity to be in the mix.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Yere.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
There's a number of good coordinators Luyn and Rumo, Jeff Hafley,
Anthony Campanelli, amongst others. And I don't believe in the
dogma of oh well we got a quarterback, we got
to go get an offensive coach necessarily. Look at Mike Grabel,
look at Mike McDonald. Two of the best coaches in
the league come from the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, you know, you're just everybodybody wants to move on
from their coach like that's going to solve everything. But
it doesn't, because like the Steelers with Mike Tomlin and
the Ravens with John Harball, these are Hall of fame
head coaches that you're moving on from. And I just
I said this before, I don't believe in change, you know,
just for the sake of change, Like I got to know, Okay,
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what am I getting? I know, maybe what I'm losing,
but what am I getting? You know, to replace these
guys if you would have to?
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, And that's very prescient.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
And the two questions I would always ask anybody running
a football team is who are we going to get?
And how much is it going to cost? And typically
when you talk about players, you're talking about cap dollars
or draft choices. So, hey, you know we take this
quarterbacks thinks, Okay, here are the five that are out there.
Who do we think is better? What's the cost? And
then likewise, as it relates to you know, changing coaches,
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you're right. And again I'm a big data guy. Like
the data is overwhelmingly against a college coach. That's not
to say that there could be a good college coach,
but that just means, like, you know, the sign we
always had up in the office was in God we
trust for everyone else, we need data.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
So if we're going to go.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Down that that that that you know, that whole Dan,
we got to ask more questions, get good information, and
then make the best decision. But but you're right, it's
a lot easier to indiscriminately let a quarterback go a
head coach, go a GM, go and then realize, oh,
we'll wait a second. You know, be careful what you
wish for the replacement isn't a certainty.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
How do you fire a coach? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I think.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You know, there's a great book called Radical Candor, and
it talks about as a manager, if someone is surprised
if they're when they're let go, that means you've done
a bad job nagging them. So I think, and I
think the people that I've worked with over time would
say this, you have to have real conversations consistently about
where we're falling short and what we need to do
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to fix it. So a coach shouldn't be surprised if
they're fired. That means you know, mes GM or you know,
President of football Operations, the owner, whoever. You know, it's
really on them to allow people they've hired. So you
got to believe in the process of you know, why
you brought them in originally, why you brought them in,
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and then if they're not living up to that standard,
how they could fix it.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Everybody got fired yesterday, What what does it mean if, like,
is everybody now save as we move forward into this week?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, well, I think last year was instructive, Dan, No,
you know, last year Trent Balkey came out and was
the GM of the Jaguars leading the search. Obviously, Liam
Comb made a great initial impression on you know, ownership
in Jacksonville. Liam Comb pulled out of the search and
then they let Trent Balky go and the rest of history.
So I think we've probably seen all the changes, but
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you never know, and you know that's what's so great
about the NFL, Like every day it can bring something new.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Good to talk to you as always, Mike. Thank you
all right, thanks so much for having me, Dan, Mike Tannenbaum.
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Speaker 2 (12:38):
He's the new head coach at Michigan, Kyle Whittingham, former
Utah head coach Tuton pac twelve Coach of the Year
and went ten and two at Utah this year, and
then was gonna go into an advisory role and be
paid to stay on at Utah. At least that was
the report. And then all of a sudden Michigan that
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job open up, and Kyle Whittingham was there to take
the phone call. We spoke to him yesterday and I
started off by asking him, is he having a midlife crisis?
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Yeah, well, good question. But you know, I had a
really good run at Utah. It was a great experience
thirty two years. In all twenty one years as the
head coach. I figured I'd done pretty much all I
could do there. And I'm still not that old. Sixty six.
I guess that's, you know, not that old. But I
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thought when I stepped down, first of all, I didn't
want to be that guy that over state is welcome.
You know, I don't. I don't, you know, I've seen
that happen too many times where guys stayed too long
get run out of town. So didn't want to be
that guy, but just felt like, Okay, it's been a
good run. Let's let's leave on a positive note. And
when I did step down, I had an inclination in
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my mind that if there was about you know, you
count on one hand the amount of schools that if
they would have called, I would have been acceptive. And
just so happens. About two or three days later, I
had some contact with Michigan and they were on that list,
and one thing led to another. About a weeker ten
days later, it was a done deal.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
You contact them or they contact you.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Well, it's my agent. And I'm not sure how the
initial thing went. Of course, there's a search committee guy,
the head of the search committee. I don't know who
was contacted who first, but that's how that's how it went.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
What kind of questions do you have going into a situation.
We all know how great the job is, but man
feels like there's a little bit of a mess to
clean up, you know, for the next year or so.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Yeah, you know, it's the place doesn't need a rebuild,
it needs a reboot of trust and get rid of
the drama and just get back to playing Michigan football
without all the distractions. You know. The one thing is
it didn't come from the players. You know, the players
were not involved. It wasn't some player you know issue
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it was. It was, you know, just the peripheral. And
so guys here have a great attitude. I met with
every single one of them at the bull site last week.
Just quality, young men, care about academics, excited to be
at Michigan. But they've dealt with a lot over the
last years, and so that's where they're at.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
What did you need to hear?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
I needed to hear that they were having a good
experience here exclusive of the of the distractions.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
The athletic director and the you know, the the higher ups.
What did you need to hear from them?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Well, I need to hear that Michigan was what I
thought it was, you know, a top five program, which
I don't think there's any doubt about that. It's a
special place. H They're committed to winning here. You know,
we do have some challenges with entrance requirements. There is
there is a little bit of a hurdle there. But
you know, you talk about athletes, resources, tradition, it's all
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here at Michigan.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
You haven't been out of Utah or Idaho.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
I don't think you're right, right, how as a coach,
you're right.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, So what do you need to learn about, you know,
being in Michigan and the Big ten in hating Ohio State.
Now you've got to deal with Indiana and.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Yeah, well we would transfer our moving leagues is no, no,
nothing new to me or where I was at. And
you went from the Whack to the Mountain West, to
the Pac twelve to the Big twelve and I was
there through it all, and so I know exactly how
to how to you know, navigate that. You know, we've
had a pretty good track record against Big ten schools
while I was at Utah, in fact, against Michigan worth
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three and oh, so that didn't hurt my cause during
the during the process, the hiring process. But but football
is football then, and it's ex's and o's. They don't change, certainly,
the you know, the level of competition is increased, but
it's relative. I mean, we're good players here, so so
it's I think it's a good situation.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
JU hate Ohio State, Don't I have to? Yeah, I
think I have to but the seminar that there, and
I know Erban was helping you, wasn't.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Absolutely. I've been close with Urban ever since. We worked
together back in two and o three and I was
as defensive coordinator. I was on the staff, Staff got
let go, Urban got the job. I was the only
holdover and Riddy developed a great relationship with him and
have maintained it ever since. And yeah, he absolutely helped me.
Uh along the way.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Here Kyle Whittingham, Michigan head football coach joining us. I'm
trying to figure out this transfer portal, so am I,
but I'm also trying to figure out the collective and
nil dollar. I mean, somebody just told me over the
weekend that some of these programs are getting to forty
million dollar budgets.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Forty million plus.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Absolutely, I mean it doesn't feel sustainable, Kyle, it's.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Not it's not sustain well, there's no question about that.
Something has got to give, and uh, I think it's uh,
you know, within a two to two to four or
five year window here, you're going to see a major
overhaul Division one football. I think it's going to become
more of a minor league NFL model. I think you're
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going to see a solary cap collective bargaining uh players
as employees. I think all that's coming because you're exactly right,
we can't maintain this pace. It's impossible.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Can we have a commissioner?
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Yes, I would love one. I think that's I think
that's in the cards as well.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
But is everybody going to listen? Is the SEC gonna
listen or the Big ten?
Speaker 6 (18:35):
I mean they have to, they have to. And I
think if we get you know, ultimately aligned with the
super conferences and uh, you know, get things, uh commission
you know, have a commissioner that runs it all and
put some teeth into it, I think that's the only
way to survive. And so and you're already seeing private
equity starting to enter the It's yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Where are we going with the playoffs? It's probably going
to sixteen next year? But where are we going?
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Well to sixteen? First of all, and I kind of
agree with coach Dan Landing at Oregon it would be
nice to have the season wrapped up by January first,
especially the way the portal window is right now. I
mean it's chaos, and so I think there needs to
be revamping, not only if of the system itself, but
at least immediately the calendar. The calendar needs to be tweaked.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
What kind of money are we talking about? What's a
top end quarterback costing now? In the portal?
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Well, I heard today that one university in the state
of Texas is paying five million dollars for a starting
quarterback for this year, and so I think that might be.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
That.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
That's the most I've heard of. And I you know,
basketball players, some basketball players are making more than that
from what you hear, but a starting quarterback now, apparently
the price is five million dollars.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Is Bryce Underwood staying?
Speaker 6 (19:51):
We hope? So I think he got a good vibe.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
You don't know, well, you don't.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Know anything yet. I mean, shoot, it's a it's the wild,
wild West here, Dan. And so we think we think
we're in a good place with Bryce. He's a terrific
young man. I've sat down with him and and uh
he is the really the heart and soul of this
football team. And uh, I think we're making good progress
towards that end.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
We're curious if we could have your old Utah gear.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
Yeah, I can have a shift out to you. It's
all xcel. You got one size to choose from.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
But uh, boy, that's that's a big color change for you,
is it is?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
You're right?
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Yeah, red to blue and blue was our was our rival.
You know, it was a Utah for years and so
now I got to get used to saying go blue.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
But I tell them, okay, but did you hate b
Yu as much as you're gonna hate?
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Well, hate a strong word, But how about an intense,
very intense rivalry? And uh, it was very uh in
the state of Utah. I mean it's the biggest single
sporting event.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
That was an unbelievable rivalry though very underrated. But but
you know, having two daughters who lived in Salt Lake,
and it's like, well you did, yeah, no, they both
they both left, they both came back home. Yeah, they
loved it. They loved Salt Lake. But they said that
that rivalry, you don't understand it until you go to
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it exactly.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
So because I grew up Ohio State Michigan, right, and
I always think that there's no better rivalry, but there
there are ones. When you go to them, you understand
the importance. It's just not national magnitude like Ohio State
and Michigan are.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Doesn't have the national bandwidth that that we have in
this rivalry, but it is every bit is intense and
every bit as you know that the animosity in the
in the state. You know, you're either red or blue
in that state, and it's pretty well split. I mean
it's almost an even division there.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Could you take Ryan Day when you were younger, when
I was younger, or could you take him now so
he's forty six?
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Could you take Ryan Day right now in the octagon.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
In an acting on Well, there's one way to find out.
I I don't know. I like Ryan. I got a
lot of respect for him. We played him in the
in the Rose Bowl a couple of years back. Well,
I guess's been him three or four years now, so
excellent football coach.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah. I don't have to say nice things anymore, man,
It's best that you don't, Okay.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
I know, I probably put my foot in my mouth
right there.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Congrats, good luck, appreciate.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
You joining us, Appreciate you, dun thank you.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
We taped that yesterday.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Five hours later, Bryce Underwood tweeted that he was staying
at Michigan, but you could hear it in his voice
when he said, is your quarterback going to be staying.
He's like, uh, I hope, so he didn't know. Yeah,
do you think he didn't know? Well, if he knew,
then why wouldn't he say? Well, I mean maybe he
wanted the player to announce it. I mean that's kind
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of the way things work now.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
You know, the player announces they're leaving, the player announces
they're staying. I wonder if he really had no idea.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, Paulie, I.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Would speculate that these days there was probably a renegotiation
of his contract at Michigan and it was not signed yet,
and that when we spoke to him, it was there
was not ink on the page yet.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I believe that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it feels like
everybody is in the transfer portal, or the potential for
every player to be in the transfer portal, because you know,
you want to you want to at least find out
what the market is for you, or have somebody find
that out for you. And you know, as Kyle was saying,
(23:33):
Cincinnati's quarterback is getting five million dollars to go to
Texas Tech.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Now that's that's changed as.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Far as the price, because as I told you, I
think before the holiday break, I was told that the
going rate for a quarterback transferring was three to four
million dollars. And now all of a sudden, you get
Cincinnati's quarterback. I don't know his name. Let me see,
have you seen his name? I should have that, but
(24:03):
I know that he was obviously a very good quarterback
and he's going to Texas Tech and getting five million dollars.
So yes, Marvin Brandon Soresby, Okay, all right, yeah, five
million dollars. And you know, as I told you, that
source said there was a high school tight end and
there were two major college programs that were paying him,
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and he was still in high school.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
But it's basically, hey, we're going to give you the money.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
We're giving you the money before you even you know,
get to college. We're going to give you the money
in high school. And he a decorated player and he
was getting paid while I mean, that's where they're starting.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I mean the same thing.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Look at the shoe industry, it's we're not waiting for
you to get to the NBA. We're not waiting for
you to get to college. We're not waiting for you
to get to high school. We're going to AAU, We're
going as early as possible, to get you in our shoes,
to get you in the program, get your free gear.
This is the same thing. It's like you're grooming to
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get them to go to your school. What's it going
to take and when do you start? This is what's
going on right now. They and even as coach said,
this isn't sustainable that you have programs who are going
to be spending forty to fifty million dollars a year. Now,
some can, but you know you're and you can't say, well, Congress,
(25:30):
you guys fix this because we can't. And really that's
almost the mindset. It feels like, hey, not what you
can do, Maybe Congress can help us. I think Congress
has other things they're probably working on, but you know
we can check the docket.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yes, Marvin A, you're going to see a lot more
mid season changes like you did this season because they're
paying all this money.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
They're like, we're not seeing results, so you got.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
To go.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean we see this in the NFL where you
get you get two years. It feels like two years
as a coach. Two years is a quarterback before we
you know, rubber stamp you as your franchise quarterback, or
you're our coach, or you're a bust or you should
be just a coordinator not a head coach. I mean
that's it's getting quicker and quicker because the money is
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getting bigger and bigger, and you want to know right
away is that our guy?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
If not, we got to move on. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
So, I I know that the money in college football
and how much players are being paid as a controversial issue,
but like, take someone like Brandon Swordsby you're just talking
about he is going to make more money than shirdor
Sanders is going to make. I kind of like the
idea that the money that these kids are going to
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make keeps them in college football longer so they actually
develop more, and that then maybe the players that are
supposed to make it to the NFL do go to
the NFL, and the ones that aren't still have a
good chunk of change, but they probably aren't gonna eventually
get there. The developed ones will be more apparent.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, but you have to stay three years in college football,
so you have a built in system that protects college
football from the standpoint of these names may bounce around,
but they stay. College basketball doesn't have that, so you
don't have any familiarity with college basketball, at least with football.
You go, oh, that guy used to be And you're right,
(27:27):
you might stay for your senior years instead of coming
out after your junior year in college football, but you're
already locked in for three years. Where college basketball, I'm
one and done. I mean, all of these guys we
looked at and we go, that guy's one and done.
All the marquee players one and done. Even the money
that you could make, and Cooper Flag reportedly was making
(27:47):
around two point six million dollars at Duke. He was
the highest paid player two point six Now what would
he be worth if he came back? What five million dollars?
Maybe more than that. He wants to get into that
second contract in the NBA when he's going to get
sixty or seventy million dollars a year, Yes, but.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Maybe even still just staying for that extra year of development.
There's not the I get the rush to the second contract.
I definitely get that. However, there is something I think
there's something to be said about another year of development
rather than being pushed too early. You know, I they
if you you're leaving college football with a couple million
dollars in your pocket. There really isn't that same rush
(28:28):
to get there. It's like Ty Simpson and Alabama. You know,
greg Or was some of the who is it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
McCarran said, Hey, I would tell him to stay, and
you know, you need another year. He might be in
the transfer portal. He got hurt in that game against Indiana,
maybe a cracked rib, but it looked like he might
have been getting benched as well. And is he going
to transfer? Does he does he want to go into
the NFL? And I think McCarran said he would probably
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be a fifth or sixth round quarterback, but that he
shouldn't stay. And not everybody has guidance though now we
think that, oh man, you know somebody, there's a lot
of people with a lot of agendas, who hey, I'd
go pro because people helping you with that decision might
be getting money from you with that decision. Yeah, palling.
Speaker 9 (29:18):
Another great example is Carson Beck, who's a hot property
a year and a half ago. Then he really cooled
off as a draft prospect, you know, and parlayed a
big payday from Miami.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Well quinn Ewers as well.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I mean, it's it's working out for Quinn, but Texas
didn't want him to stay another year. I think he
wanted to stay another year. Like No, I think we're good. Uh, Arch,
it's it's Arch's term.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
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Speaker 5 (30:00):
Didn't you ask me maybe a time? Did you?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Did you choose baldness?
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
I chose it. If I didn't cut my hair, it
would grow in. It wouldn't be great. I couldn't get
a fro or anything. But I could use a little
you know, did a little mullet or a little going
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
But if Jordan didn't shave his head like it became
cool once Mike did it right.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
And then everyone started to do it anything Mike did.
Everyone's you know, be like Mike. Everyone wanted to be
like Mike.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Reggie Miller full introduction. He was on the call for
the Warriors Clippers last night. Snoop Dogg joining you there
in the second. Yeah, I thought he did a good job.
I thought it was fun.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
He did a great job. He was well prepared, He
did his homework, He came in all the coaches meetings,
he did pregame interviews. I think you guys saw with
Stephen Curry, he just wasn't showing up to be a
pretty face. He put in the work, and the game
helped because it was a great game. It was a
one possession game, last second opportunity for Jimmy Butler, Steph
(31:15):
had fouled out, and it was a game that the
Clippers obviously continued to need it because they got off
to that rough start six and twenty one. But if
won seven of eight, so it was a he did
his job.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Steve Kerr had some comments I don't know if it
was this past week or last week, where he's kind
of saying, hey, you know, try to win championships each year.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
That's not going to happen anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And I'm paraphrasing here, but it felt like there was
backlash from the Golden State fans who were like, wait
a minute, you know, kind of sounds like you're surrendering
that you don't have a championship caliber team.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Was he being correct in what he was saying?
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Well, currently constructed. He's correct, they don't have a champion team.
They're just missing something, and I think why his The
fan base is upset. They're like, wait a minute, we
just traded to get Jimmy Butler. Wasn't that supposed to
be one of those missing pieces to help us get
back to the championship mountain. And when I look at
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the Warriors and I just hope they're not wasting these
last two, three, four years for Stephen Curry because he
can still at a high level get you to the
promised Land. They just need players. And I equate it
to this, you need certain players for sixteen games, and
(32:40):
you need players for eighty two games. And Jimmy Butler,
Stephen Curry Draymond Green are sixteen game players. Get me
to the playoffs and then we'll take over. It's the grind,
is what's the problem for the Golden State Warriors. They
don't have enough score warning for eighty two games. Stephen
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Curry can't do it like he used to do it
with Klay Thompson when they were younger, So the margin
of error is very small, and I think the fan
base is upset because you've got a young player like
Jonathan kaminga who's just sitting there collecting twenty two million,
who was supposed to be one of those players for
eighty two games and he's not delivering.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Man, his name comes up all the time in trade
talks all like for the last it feels like two
years at least.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Why don't they trade him?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I think they're exploring their options. I would be surprised
if he is a Warrior past the trade deadline, because
again I think the I think Golden State has to
make another trade for a player just to come off
the bench and get your buckets to give Step and Jimmy,
(33:58):
but or of some breathing room, because there's no way
they're going to make it to the finish line in
the Western Conference. This would go bode well if they
were in the Eastern Conference because there's really only two
maybe three teams playing at that high of the level.
But not in the Western Conference. You'll tax them too much.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Are you all in on the Clippers now? All of
a sudden, are the Clippers formidable?
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (34:29):
The problem a lot like Golden State we saw last night.
They're the two oldest teams and they don't run a lot,
and they rely a lot on their half court offense,
which has been great lately. But more importantly, their defense
has stepped up. When they were last year, what made
them great was their defense, and I think over the
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last eight ball games they have the best defense in
the league. Now, I know it's a small sample size,
but they've won seven of eight and it's because of
their defense. Can they continue to play like that? We'll see.
What helps. Is Kawhi's healthy and playing and you see
the numbers, But is he gonna go through one of
those stints where he plays one game, doesn't play right now?
(35:11):
He has to play. Harden didn't play last night because
of shoulder stiffness. But again, their margin of era, it's
very small because those guys can't take nights off because
there's not enough scoring on the back end of their roster.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Talking to Reggie Miller, he was on the call last
night the Warriors and the Clipper Steve Kerr getting thrown
out of that game. Yeah, Steve's not having a good year.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Well, and why do you say that?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
He just seems like he's frustrated. You know, the Draymond
Green stuff. They're not you know, they're a little better
than average.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Maybe he's really coaching harder than he's ever had to coach.
Used to be easy and you just said go out
there and have some fun and shoot some threes.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Again, that's why it's the beauty, you know, when you've
been to the mountaintop like Steve has been as a player,
it's won five chips four times. As a coach with
the Warriors, I think at times you can come become complacent,
and I think he's trying to show its fan base
as well as his team, if you want to continue
(36:26):
to be great, there's sacrifices that have to be made,
and there's tough choices that have to be said. And
the budding of head with Dreamond Green, you would be
surprised that happens all the time. I mean, you're a family,
and as long as those guys have been together and
all the wars that they've been through, I kind of
(36:48):
give them a long leash because I think they're allowed
to kind of speak to one another that way because
there's history there and I just hope it never comes
to a head because as Draymond Green is the perfect
player for this team because without him, I mean, he's
leads this team and assists point forward. The problem is
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has been his offense because teams are just daring him
to shoot. And if you watch the game last night,
to start the game, he had three or four wide
open threes. Teammates two or three of those. The Warriors
are almost running away with this game because the momentum
would have been on their side. But it is what
it is.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
You have coaches former players who become coaches, but it's
rare when a really successful player becomes a head coach.
You had Larry Bird there. But what is it about
the role player becoming a head coach over maybe an
all star kind of player becoming a head coach.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
Well, I mean you look at JJ Reddick, Steve Kerk,
guys that were somewhat at the you say role player
or into the bench. I think they can look at all.
They can see what the star player goes through. They
can see what a role player who plays, you know,
twelve or fifteen minutes a game, and they can see
a guy who never sees the light of date and
he can kind of weave his way and act like
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all three of those different proponents. And I think that's
what makes them successful because they can relate to all
three of them again playing for Larry Bird and Isaiah Thomas,
another Hall of Famer. Personally, for me it was a
joy because I played against those guys, I knew how
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they prepared, and then to be coached from them. From
my standpoint, it was great. I don't know if it
was great for the younger players, but for us older
guys like Mark, Sam Perkins, Derek Backe. We all went
against Larry Legend. We respected him. There was a lot
of pressure to play for him, but it was worth
it because that's what we wanted, that's what we signed
(39:05):
up for.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Can you talk back to a Legend?
Speaker 5 (39:11):
I think there's there's respect there. Look, I'm from you
know this military. There's no talking back. There's a chain
of there's got to be a chain of command. Now,
you may have disagreements, you may have arguments of practice,
but during a game, I don't think it never rose
(39:32):
to that you're right, I'm right, you're wrong. It never
rose to that. You got to be respectful to your coach.
And you can handle that stuff in the locker room.
You never want to do that on the bench shore
where other people can peer in and and know what
your family business is going on.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Trey Young used to be a big deal with the Hawks.
That was that was a good story. It was a
few years ago. He's celebrating again, the Knicks in the garden.
He's playing in the Eastern Conference Finals. His numbers look
really good. He's in his prime, and he's on the
trading block. What happened with this?
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Here's the problem. Here's the problem, and sometimes it's getting
success too early. You mentioned it. I think his decline
really started after the Hawks went to the conference finals
and lost to the Milwaukee Bucks, the eventual champions, And
I think things came too easy for him. And again
(40:36):
I'm not in their practices. I don't follow them day
to day, but I hear things, and when you hear
things that players don't like playing with him. He doesn't
practice hard, he doesn't come early and work out. He
certainly doesn't stay late and work on his game. When
I hear comments like that, I hope they're not true,
(40:56):
because I think he is an unbelievable talent. He can
help a team out. The problem is he's small. He's
not going to grow. He's not very big. He's slight,
so he gets taken advantage of at the defensive end.
And if you're not gonna work on your game, you're
not gonna bulke up. Look at Stephen Curry. I mean
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they were almost the same size at one point, and
you look at Curry now how much he has bulked up,
continues to work on his shot like it's going out
of business. I don't know if Trey works like that.
I don't know if he's committed to working like that.
So if you're the Hawks, you have a decision to
make what can you get in return for him? And
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the longer they wait, those kind of returns start to
go down. It's like the stock market. So but I
know we've seen him on misplay in New York. We
know he's an ice trade. We know what he can
deliver is what can you get for him? And going
(41:59):
full for how is Trey going to act wherever he goes?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Jokers out of the MVP conversation, SGA in the thunder
of lost what five of their last ten? Can we
somehow slip Cad Cunningham into the MVP conversation?
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Yes, And I'm surprised more people are not speaking about kid.
We had a chance to do a game, up close
and personal, their last game on that long West coast
road trip versus the Lakers, and they beat the breaks
off the Lakers and Kate Cunningham look for those of
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you who are late to the party. Overall number one
pick out of Oklahoma State and for his size at
six five sixty six, being a point guard controls the
whole action. And it helps now that Jalen Jurnham has
kind of grown into being that forced download for them.
They have a great one to connection and chemistry between
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those two. He plays defense. Yeah, I think on the
back end, you've got Luca will be mentioned. It's unfortunate.
I don't know if Joker will qualify for those games.
SGA will be in the running. I don't think Giannis
is gonna qualify, but he'll have the type of numbers.
(43:24):
But Cade should certainly be in the discussion for MVP.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
No question.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, it's just they're not a glamour team in a
glamour town.
Speaker 8 (43:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
You know, Sports Center is not going to be leading
with Detroit, and you know they're they're the number one
seed right now. I mean they're they're they're gonna they're
gonna force feed you the Knicks, even the Celtics. But
Detroit's just not They're not gonna get national attention. And
that's a shame because he's averaging twenty seven to ten
and six for a team that's played that proof of
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that last year was no fluke with.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Them second best record in the Association behind OKC. But
this is kind of on par for the Pistons, right
they were the bad boys, Isaiah. They had great players,
but they didn't get a lot of love back to
back champs. Same thing with Chauncey's team in two thousand
and four. It was five guys Tayshaun, Prince, Rip Hamilton,
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Orsheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, but they weren't a sexy team.
What do they do? They won a championship. This current
Detroit team is cut from the same claw. They've got
one star on the verge of being a superstared kde
An up and becoming great young player and center in
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Jalen Durham. But you think, well, who else is really
on this team? Isaiah Stewart is the Ben Wallace of
the team, the tough guy, but you couldn't name anyone else. JB.
Bickersteph is doing a great job and yes, everyone likes
to push, and rightfully so Jalen Brunson and the Knicks,
but those are the two top teams in the Eastern Conference.
(45:10):
And look, they went head to head last night and
what happened. The Pistons smacked him. So that was a
message game because last year during the playoffs, Brunson was
doing all the kissing to the fans after hitting threes,
and he wanted to make the Pistons, wanted to make
a statement that is going to be very difficult this
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year for you to come in this building and be successful.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Uh, you got the Spurs in the thunder next Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Is this becoming the robbery? Is this becoming one of
the best roberries?
Speaker 4 (45:45):
I hope it is.
Speaker 5 (45:48):
I hope so too. Because to beat OKAC, you've got
to have a number of things. You've got to have
guards that are committed to pick up full That's exactly
what the Spurs have and Castle Basel deeron Fox is
one of those closers. And Wimby they have Chip the champs.
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The Spurs have Wimby is two young teams and there's
a little bit of a crack. Now in a seven
game series, I probably would still take OKAC right now
because of experience. But the beauty of this is the
Spurs aren't afraid of them, and a lot of teams
are afraid of Okay.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
See, I like it. I like it.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Hey, great to catch up with you. We'll talk to
you soon.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Thank you, reg, I appreciate your Theodore.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
You have all these coaching vacancies, and it feels like
every year it's around five to seven vacancies. And I
had a source yesterday say, hey, I understand you make
these coaching moves, but who are the candidates? Like who
is Ben Johnson this year? Who's Aaron Glenn this year?
Who's that coordinator? Where you go, that's why we're making
the move. You can look at your team, you can
(00:27):
employ your team to let's make a change. Okay, the Steelers,
you make a change, they lose this weekend. Who you
bringing in the Ravens? You bringing in somebody better than
John Harbaugh? And I know sometimes you need change, but
I don't like change for change's sake. I think you
got to be careful. And you know, we always feel
(00:49):
like the next guy is going to be better. That's
not always the case. The next quarterback is going to
be better. Not always the case. Mike Tann and mom.
He's been in these battles. P a NFL front office insider.
You can see him on Get Up Sports Center NFL Live.
Let's look at the six openings. Let's start with the
(01:10):
worst opening.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I would say Arizona, Dan, given the fact that the
uncertainty of Kyler Murray, the number of good young players
on the contract. I think Marvin Harrison could be a superstar.
Trade McBride is a very good player, but beyond that,
I think there's a lot more questions than answers in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
All right. Next on the list would be.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, I would say Vegas, but like that cuts both
ways because if you get Fernando Mendoza, in my opinion,
someone like Kurt Signetti, who I think would be a
fascinating higher that could be truly transformational.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
So we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I think there's a lot of way a wait, hold on,
hold on, you're talking about a package deal for the
Raiders with Kurt Signetting Dan who says no?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Who says no?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
When you go back over the last forty years and
nobody knows this fair than you do in North American sports,
and you think about the transformational coaching jobs. When you
talk about Mike Cheshesti leaving West Point and creating Duke basketball,
you could talk about Jim Calhoun going from Northeastern to
yukon men's basketball. You could talk about Gino Ariama and
women's basketball. But when you think about where they've been
(02:17):
for over one hundred years and what he's done in
two years. And I say this a lot. The data
is overwhelming that college coaches fail. But what in Kurt
Signetti's background would lead you to believe that he wouldn't
be successful.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I always look at style. You know that style works
in college? Does it work you know with pro players?
So that would be the first thing I would say.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Dan, you're a form professional baseball player. You gravitated to
coaches who made you better that would ultimately make you
more money. And there's a lot of different styles that
work in the NFL across the board. And if Kurt
Signetti walked into that building, what the credibility he has?
And he's won at Indiana University in Pennsylvania. He'sn't one
(03:03):
at James Madison. He won at Indiana where no one's
ever won before. If I'm a player, this man may
be able to put more money in my pocket, I'm
gonna give him a chance.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Okay. Next on that coaching vacancy list, you know Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I look, look, the situation to Cleveland is they have
some good young players. You know, they had a productive
draft this year. Carson Swassinger. I think quin Shawn Jenkins
will be a good player. Harold Fannon should be a
good player. But the offensive line isn't where it once was,
and obviously the quarterback position has massive question marks. From
Deshaun Watson Shador Sanders, who I'd liked a lot. I
thought he was a second round pick coming out, but
(03:39):
there's a lot of questions about who's going to be
quarterback there. So that's why to me, Vegas and Cleveland
have their challenges.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Okay, why isn't a hit? The elephant is in the
room and it's Deshaun Watson. If he was practicing with
the team, he's under contract. Is he going to get
a chance to be the starting quarterback for the Browns
next season?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
You know?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Possibly, but he's a band aid because he's finally you know,
they're over the guaranteed money next year. So possibly, but
we need if you and I are running the Browns,
job one, two and three is to get that position solidified.
Dylan Gabriel is a twobe, probably a three. Chador may
be a French starter. What do we have there? And
just Deshaun Watson help us get the new coach established. Possibly,
but at the end of the day, we got to
(04:20):
go get a new quarterback.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yeah, but man, that job.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
As much as you get a great fan base and
you do have some talent there, you're still walking into
a situation where ownership or GM decided they were going
to go rogue with you know, their quarterbacks. And you
can't have two rookie quarterbacks. I mean that, That to
me is malpractice.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
And with the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I understand, and look, Shaudor may make it, you know,
he certainly can't. I'm just saying, let's not put our
eggs in his basket. Let's go get another one. That's
why I think that's in the bottom of the six jobs.
That's still to be in the bottom tier.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Right next on the list, I would go.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
With the Giants.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I like Jackson Dart a little concerned about his completion
percentage was near the bottom this year, twenty seventh heading
until last game. Obviously, he has to learn how to
take better care of himself down I lived that.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Ironically.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
In New York, we brought in Joe Girardi, who at
the time was the manager of the Yankees, to work
with Mark Sanchez on a protection plan. Learn how to slide,
learn how to shift your body weight. So I think
that's a skill you can learn and one of the
things I would tell all these young quarterbacks, Cam Wore,
Jadeen Daniels, Jackson Dart. Part of the evaluation process of
you being a great player is a protection plan you
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need to have because your availability is part and parcel
in the value you bring to this team.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
You needed somebody to teach Mark Sanchez how to slide.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Rex Ryan brought in Girardi and it actually was an
incredible afternoon because it really I think helped Mark become
a better He protected himself better after we met with Girardi.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
It's a skill.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Dan, Look, you're a baseball player, you would know it
better than most football coaches. But obviously the nuances of
one to go out of bounds, you know, obviously there
was that big hit in the New England game, Like
he'll learn from that. But it is a skill to
understand how you protect yourself. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, those
guys knew when to throw it away, they knew when
to go down like they played for a long time.
And Jackson Dart, it's a skill that he could get
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better at. But that's something he has to work at.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, but he has to understand that.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
You know that his mindset, he can he can know
how to slide, Mike, but he has to want to slide.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
That's the biggest problem I see with Jackson dart Well.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
The head coach has to make it part of your
job description. If you want to play football here, if
you want to be your starting quarterback, you will slide.
If you take unnecessary and reckless it's either you're going
to get bench or you're gonna get hurt. So either
one of them is going to make you not on
the field. So let's come up with a plan where
you could be aggressive. There's times to dive, there's times
to go head first, third down, end zone, fourth down,
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but there's also times where you got to lift to
fight another down, and that comes with experienced maturity. I
think he'll get there.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
The best opening then is.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Oh, well, you know, you look at Atlanta and Tennessee.
I would put Tennessee first. I think when cam Ward
has attribute you can't see when you're successful at incarnagget
word in Washington State and then at Miami. The thing
that was most impressive to me, was at the combine
last year talking to cam Ward's teammates, and he has
attribute you can't see. So I'm betting on the character
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cam Ward. Look, Dan Moore was horrific at left tackle
this year. Kevin Zeitler's close to the end. They're gonna
have to fix the offensive line, but they have the quarterback.
They have a brand new stadium that's basically being you know,
renovated there. I think Nashal is a great place to
attract people. I certainly think that's the best job available.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Explain to me the Falcons.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, well, you know, Pennickxwood healthy is a great player.
I think he's somebody that can be a franchise quarterback. Now, look,
he's had multiple ACL injuries. I would keep Kirk Cousins.
They have great young talent, Vijion Robinson, obviously, Drake London.
Kyle Pitts has been somewhat inconsistent.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
To me, that's the.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Second best job, just given you know, all that young talent.
To Kenley, I was a little surprised, you know that
Raheem was let go given any one four straight but
you know, I understand two non playoff seasons and the
standards are high.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
There is there a hot coaching candidate.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Besides the aforementioned mister Signetti.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Look, I think there's a bunch of guys that would
be really, really good. Look Kevin Stefanski to me, has
you know, a good track record and certainly deserves, you know,
the opportunity to be in the mix.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Yere.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
There's a number of good coordinators Luyn and Rumo, Jeff Hafley,
Anthony Campanelli, amongst others. And I don't believe in the
dogma of oh well we got a quarterback, we got
to go get an offensive coach necessarily. Look at Mike Grabel,
look at Mike McDonald. Two of the best coaches in
the league come from the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, you know, you're just everybodybody wants to move on
from their coach like that's going to solve everything. But
it doesn't, because like the Steelers with Mike Tomlin and
the Ravens with John Harball, these are Hall of fame
head coaches that you're moving on from. And I just
I said this before, I don't believe in change, you know,
just for the sake of change, Like I got to know, Okay,
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what am I getting? I know, maybe what I'm losing,
but what am I getting? You know, to replace these
guys if you would have to?
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, And that's very prescient.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
And the two questions I would always ask anybody running
a football team is who are we going to get?
And how much is it going to cost? And typically
when you talk about players, you're talking about cap dollars
or draft choices. So, hey, you know we take this
quarterbacks thinks, Okay, here are the five that are out there.
Who do we think is better? What's the cost? And
then likewise, as it relates to you know, changing coaches,
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you're right. And again I'm a big data guy. Like
the data is overwhelmingly against a college coach. That's not
to say that there could be a good college coach,
but that just means, like, you know, the sign we
always had up in the office was in God we
trust for everyone else, we need data.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
So if we're going to go.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Down that that that that you know, that whole Dan,
we got to ask more questions, get good information, and
then make the best decision. But but you're right, it's
a lot easier to indiscriminately let a quarterback go a
head coach, go a GM, go and then realize, oh,
we'll wait a second. You know, be careful what you
wish for the replacement isn't a certainty.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
How do you fire a coach? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I think.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You know, there's a great book called Radical Candor, and
it talks about as a manager, if someone is surprised
if they're when they're let go, that means you've done
a bad job nagging them. So I think, and I
think the people that I've worked with over time would
say this, you have to have real conversations consistently about
where we're falling short and what we need to do
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to fix it. So a coach shouldn't be surprised if
they're fired. That means you know, mes GM or you know,
President of football Operations, the owner, whoever. You know, it's
really on them to allow people they've hired. So you
got to believe in the process of you know, why
you brought them in originally, why you brought them in,
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and then if they're not living up to that standard,
how they could fix it.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Everybody got fired yesterday, What what does it mean if, like,
is everybody now save as we move forward into this week?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, well, I think last year was instructive, Dan, No,
you know, last year Trent Balkey came out and was
the GM of the Jaguars leading the search. Obviously, Liam
Comb made a great initial impression on you know, ownership
in Jacksonville. Liam Comb pulled out of the search and
then they let Trent Balky go and the rest of history.
So I think we've probably seen all the changes, but
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you never know, and you know that's what's so great
about the NFL, Like every day it can bring something new.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Good to talk to you as always, Mike. Thank you
all right, thanks so much for having me, Dan, Mike Tannenbaum.
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Speaker 2 (12:38):
He's the new head coach at Michigan, Kyle Whittingham, former
Utah head coach Tuton pac twelve Coach of the Year
and went ten and two at Utah this year, and
then was gonna go into an advisory role and be
paid to stay on at Utah. At least that was
the report. And then all of a sudden Michigan that
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job open up, and Kyle Whittingham was there to take
the phone call. We spoke to him yesterday and I
started off by asking him, is he having a midlife crisis?
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Yeah, well, good question. But you know, I had a
really good run at Utah. It was a great experience
thirty two years. In all twenty one years as the
head coach. I figured I'd done pretty much all I
could do there. And I'm still not that old. Sixty six.
I guess that's, you know, not that old. But I
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thought when I stepped down, first of all, I didn't
want to be that guy that over state is welcome.
You know, I don't. I don't, you know, I've seen
that happen too many times where guys stayed too long
get run out of town. So didn't want to be
that guy, but just felt like, Okay, it's been a
good run. Let's let's leave on a positive note. And
when I did step down, I had an inclination in
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my mind that if there was about you know, you
count on one hand the amount of schools that if
they would have called, I would have been acceptive. And
just so happens. About two or three days later, I
had some contact with Michigan and they were on that list,
and one thing led to another. About a weeker ten
days later, it was a done deal.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
You contact them or they contact you.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Well, it's my agent. And I'm not sure how the
initial thing went. Of course, there's a search committee guy,
the head of the search committee. I don't know who
was contacted who first, but that's how that's how it went.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
What kind of questions do you have going into a situation.
We all know how great the job is, but man
feels like there's a little bit of a mess to
clean up, you know, for the next year or so.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Yeah, you know, it's the place doesn't need a rebuild,
it needs a reboot of trust and get rid of
the drama and just get back to playing Michigan football
without all the distractions. You know. The one thing is
it didn't come from the players. You know, the players
were not involved. It wasn't some player you know issue
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it was. It was, you know, just the peripheral. And
so guys here have a great attitude. I met with
every single one of them at the bull site last week.
Just quality, young men, care about academics, excited to be
at Michigan. But they've dealt with a lot over the
last years, and so that's where they're at.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
What did you need to hear?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
I needed to hear that they were having a good
experience here exclusive of the of the distractions.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
The athletic director and the you know, the the higher ups.
What did you need to hear from them?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Well, I need to hear that Michigan was what I
thought it was, you know, a top five program, which
I don't think there's any doubt about that. It's a
special place. H They're committed to winning here. You know,
we do have some challenges with entrance requirements. There is
there is a little bit of a hurdle there. But
you know, you talk about athletes, resources, tradition, it's all
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here at Michigan.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
You haven't been out of Utah or Idaho.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
I don't think you're right, right, how as a coach,
you're right.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, So what do you need to learn about, you know,
being in Michigan and the Big ten in hating Ohio State.
Now you've got to deal with Indiana and.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Yeah, well we would transfer our moving leagues is no, no,
nothing new to me or where I was at. And
you went from the Whack to the Mountain West, to
the Pac twelve to the Big twelve and I was
there through it all, and so I know exactly how
to how to you know, navigate that. You know, we've
had a pretty good track record against Big ten schools
while I was at Utah, in fact, against Michigan worth
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three and oh, so that didn't hurt my cause during
the during the process, the hiring process. But but football
is football then, and it's ex's and o's. They don't change, certainly,
the you know, the level of competition is increased, but
it's relative. I mean, we're good players here, so so
it's I think it's a good situation.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
JU hate Ohio State, Don't I have to? Yeah, I
think I have to but the seminar that there, and
I know Erban was helping you, wasn't.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Absolutely. I've been close with Urban ever since. We worked
together back in two and o three and I was
as defensive coordinator. I was on the staff, Staff got
let go, Urban got the job. I was the only
holdover and Riddy developed a great relationship with him and
have maintained it ever since. And yeah, he absolutely helped me.
Uh along the way.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Here Kyle Whittingham, Michigan head football coach joining us. I'm
trying to figure out this transfer portal, so am I,
but I'm also trying to figure out the collective and
nil dollar. I mean, somebody just told me over the
weekend that some of these programs are getting to forty
million dollar budgets.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Forty million plus.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Absolutely, I mean it doesn't feel sustainable, Kyle, it's.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Not it's not sustain well, there's no question about that.
Something has got to give, and uh, I think it's uh,
you know, within a two to two to four or
five year window here, you're going to see a major
overhaul Division one football. I think it's going to become
more of a minor league NFL model. I think you're
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going to see a solary cap collective bargaining uh players
as employees. I think all that's coming because you're exactly right,
we can't maintain this pace. It's impossible.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Can we have a commissioner?
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Yes, I would love one. I think that's I think
that's in the cards as well.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
But is everybody going to listen? Is the SEC gonna
listen or the Big ten?
Speaker 6 (18:35):
I mean they have to, they have to. And I
think if we get you know, ultimately aligned with the
super conferences and uh, you know, get things, uh commission
you know, have a commissioner that runs it all and
put some teeth into it, I think that's the only
way to survive. And so and you're already seeing private
equity starting to enter the It's yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Where are we going with the playoffs? It's probably going
to sixteen next year? But where are we going?
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Well to sixteen? First of all, and I kind of
agree with coach Dan Landing at Oregon it would be
nice to have the season wrapped up by January first,
especially the way the portal window is right now. I
mean it's chaos, and so I think there needs to
be revamping, not only if of the system itself, but
at least immediately the calendar. The calendar needs to be tweaked.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
What kind of money are we talking about? What's a
top end quarterback costing now? In the portal?
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Well, I heard today that one university in the state
of Texas is paying five million dollars for a starting
quarterback for this year, and so I think that might be.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
That.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
That's the most I've heard of. And I you know,
basketball players, some basketball players are making more than that
from what you hear, but a starting quarterback now, apparently
the price is five million dollars.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Is Bryce Underwood staying?
Speaker 6 (19:51):
We hope? So I think he got a good vibe.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
You don't know, well, you don't.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Know anything yet. I mean, shoot, it's a it's the wild,
wild West here, Dan. And so we think we think
we're in a good place with Bryce. He's a terrific
young man. I've sat down with him and and uh
he is the really the heart and soul of this
football team. And uh, I think we're making good progress
towards that end.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
We're curious if we could have your old Utah gear.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
Yeah, I can have a shift out to you. It's
all xcel. You got one size to choose from.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
But uh, boy, that's that's a big color change for you,
is it is?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
You're right?
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Yeah, red to blue and blue was our was our rival.
You know, it was a Utah for years and so
now I got to get used to saying go blue.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
But I tell them, okay, but did you hate b
Yu as much as you're gonna hate?
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Well, hate a strong word, But how about an intense,
very intense rivalry? And uh, it was very uh in
the state of Utah. I mean it's the biggest single
sporting event.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
That was an unbelievable rivalry though very underrated. But but
you know, having two daughters who lived in Salt Lake,
and it's like, well you did, yeah, no, they both
they both left, they both came back home. Yeah, they
loved it. They loved Salt Lake. But they said that
that rivalry, you don't understand it until you go to
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it exactly.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
So because I grew up Ohio State Michigan, right, and
I always think that there's no better rivalry, but there
there are ones. When you go to them, you understand
the importance. It's just not national magnitude like Ohio State
and Michigan are.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Doesn't have the national bandwidth that that we have in
this rivalry, but it is every bit is intense and
every bit as you know that the animosity in the
in the state. You know, you're either red or blue
in that state, and it's pretty well split. I mean
it's almost an even division there.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Could you take Ryan Day when you were younger, when
I was younger, or could you take him now so
he's forty six?
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Could you take Ryan Day right now in the octagon.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
In an acting on Well, there's one way to find out.
I I don't know. I like Ryan. I got a
lot of respect for him. We played him in the
in the Rose Bowl a couple of years back. Well,
I guess's been him three or four years now, so
excellent football coach.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah. I don't have to say nice things anymore, man,
It's best that you don't, Okay.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
I know, I probably put my foot in my mouth
right there.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Congrats, good luck, appreciate.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
You joining us, Appreciate you, dun thank you.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
We taped that yesterday.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Five hours later, Bryce Underwood tweeted that he was staying
at Michigan, but you could hear it in his voice
when he said, is your quarterback going to be staying.
He's like, uh, I hope, so he didn't know. Yeah,
do you think he didn't know? Well, if he knew,
then why wouldn't he say? Well, I mean maybe he
wanted the player to announce it. I mean that's kind
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of the way things work now.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
You know, the player announces they're leaving, the player announces
they're staying. I wonder if he really had no idea.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, Paulie, I.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Would speculate that these days there was probably a renegotiation
of his contract at Michigan and it was not signed yet,
and that when we spoke to him, it was there
was not ink on the page yet.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I believe that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it feels like
everybody is in the transfer portal, or the potential for
every player to be in the transfer portal, because you know,
you want to you want to at least find out
what the market is for you, or have somebody find
that out for you. And you know, as Kyle was saying,
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Cincinnati's quarterback is getting five million dollars to go to
Texas Tech.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Now that's that's changed as.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Far as the price, because as I told you, I
think before the holiday break, I was told that the
going rate for a quarterback transferring was three to four
million dollars. And now all of a sudden, you get
Cincinnati's quarterback. I don't know his name. Let me see,
have you seen his name? I should have that, but
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I know that he was obviously a very good quarterback
and he's going to Texas Tech and getting five million dollars.
So yes, Marvin Brandon Soresby, Okay, all right, yeah, five
million dollars. And you know, as I told you, that
source said there was a high school tight end and
there were two major college programs that were paying him,
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and he was still in high school.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
But it's basically, hey, we're going to give you the money.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
We're giving you the money before you even you know,
get to college. We're going to give you the money
in high school. And he a decorated player and he
was getting paid while I mean, that's where they're starting.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I mean the same thing.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Look at the shoe industry, it's we're not waiting for
you to get to the NBA. We're not waiting for
you to get to college. We're not waiting for you
to get to high school. We're going to AAU, We're
going as early as possible, to get you in our shoes,
to get you in the program, get your free gear.
This is the same thing. It's like you're grooming to
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get them to go to your school. What's it going
to take and when do you start? This is what's
going on right now. They and even as coach said,
this isn't sustainable that you have programs who are going
to be spending forty to fifty million dollars a year. Now,
some can, but you know you're and you can't say, well, Congress,
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you guys fix this because we can't. And really that's
almost the mindset. It feels like, hey, not what you
can do, Maybe Congress can help us. I think Congress
has other things they're probably working on, but you know
we can check the docket.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yes, Marvin A, you're going to see a lot more
mid season changes like you did this season because they're
paying all this money.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
They're like, we're not seeing results, so you got.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
To go.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean we see this in the NFL where you
get you get two years. It feels like two years
as a coach. Two years is a quarterback before we
you know, rubber stamp you as your franchise quarterback, or
you're our coach, or you're a bust or you should
be just a coordinator not a head coach. I mean
that's it's getting quicker and quicker because the money is
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getting bigger and bigger, and you want to know right
away is that our guy?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
If not, we got to move on. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
So, I I know that the money in college football
and how much players are being paid as a controversial issue,
but like, take someone like Brandon Swordsby you're just talking
about he is going to make more money than shirdor
Sanders is going to make. I kind of like the
idea that the money that these kids are going to
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make keeps them in college football longer so they actually
develop more, and that then maybe the players that are
supposed to make it to the NFL do go to
the NFL, and the ones that aren't still have a
good chunk of change, but they probably aren't gonna eventually
get there. The developed ones will be more apparent.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, but you have to stay three years in college football,
so you have a built in system that protects college
football from the standpoint of these names may bounce around,
but they stay. College basketball doesn't have that, so you
don't have any familiarity with college basketball, at least with football.
You go, oh, that guy used to be And you're right,
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you might stay for your senior years instead of coming
out after your junior year in college football, but you're
already locked in for three years. Where college basketball, I'm
one and done. I mean, all of these guys we
looked at and we go, that guy's one and done.
All the marquee players one and done. Even the money
that you could make, and Cooper Flag reportedly was making
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around two point six million dollars at Duke. He was
the highest paid player two point six Now what would
he be worth if he came back? What five million dollars?
Maybe more than that. He wants to get into that
second contract in the NBA when he's going to get
sixty or seventy million dollars a year, Yes, but.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Maybe even still just staying for that extra year of development.
There's not the I get the rush to the second contract.
I definitely get that. However, there is something I think
there's something to be said about another year of development
rather than being pushed too early. You know, I they
if you you're leaving college football with a couple million
dollars in your pocket. There really isn't that same rush
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to get there. It's like Ty Simpson and Alabama. You know,
greg Or was some of the who is it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
McCarran said, Hey, I would tell him to stay, and
you know, you need another year. He might be in
the transfer portal. He got hurt in that game against Indiana,
maybe a cracked rib, but it looked like he might
have been getting benched as well. And is he going
to transfer? Does he does he want to go into
the NFL? And I think McCarran said he would probably
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be a fifth or sixth round quarterback, but that he
shouldn't stay. And not everybody has guidance though now we
think that, oh man, you know somebody, there's a lot
of people with a lot of agendas, who hey, I'd
go pro because people helping you with that decision might
be getting money from you with that decision. Yeah, palling.
Speaker 9 (29:18):
Another great example is Carson Beck, who's a hot property
a year and a half ago. Then he really cooled
off as a draft prospect, you know, and parlayed a
big payday from Miami.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Well quinn Ewers as well.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I mean, it's it's working out for Quinn, but Texas
didn't want him to stay another year. I think he
wanted to stay another year. Like No, I think we're good. Uh, Arch,
it's it's Arch's term.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
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Speaker 5 (30:00):
Didn't you ask me maybe a time? Did you?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Did you choose baldness?
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
I chose it. If I didn't cut my hair, it
would grow in. It wouldn't be great. I couldn't get
a fro or anything. But I could use a little
you know, did a little mullet or a little going
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
But if Jordan didn't shave his head like it became
cool once Mike did it right.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
And then everyone started to do it anything Mike did.
Everyone's you know, be like Mike. Everyone wanted to be
like Mike.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Reggie Miller full introduction. He was on the call for
the Warriors Clippers last night. Snoop Dogg joining you there
in the second. Yeah, I thought he did a good job.
I thought it was fun.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
He did a great job. He was well prepared, He
did his homework, He came in all the coaches meetings,
he did pregame interviews. I think you guys saw with
Stephen Curry, he just wasn't showing up to be a
pretty face. He put in the work, and the game
helped because it was a great game. It was a
one possession game, last second opportunity for Jimmy Butler, Steph
(31:15):
had fouled out, and it was a game that the
Clippers obviously continued to need it because they got off
to that rough start six and twenty one. But if
won seven of eight, so it was a he did
his job.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Steve Kerr had some comments I don't know if it
was this past week or last week, where he's kind
of saying, hey, you know, try to win championships each year.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
That's not going to happen anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And I'm paraphrasing here, but it felt like there was
backlash from the Golden State fans who were like, wait
a minute, you know, kind of sounds like you're surrendering
that you don't have a championship caliber team.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Was he being correct in what he was saying?
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Well, currently constructed. He's correct, they don't have a champion team.
They're just missing something, and I think why his The
fan base is upset. They're like, wait a minute, we
just traded to get Jimmy Butler. Wasn't that supposed to
be one of those missing pieces to help us get
back to the championship mountain. And when I look at
(32:18):
the Warriors and I just hope they're not wasting these
last two, three, four years for Stephen Curry because he
can still at a high level get you to the
promised Land. They just need players. And I equate it
to this, you need certain players for sixteen games, and
(32:40):
you need players for eighty two games. And Jimmy Butler,
Stephen Curry Draymond Green are sixteen game players. Get me
to the playoffs and then we'll take over. It's the grind,
is what's the problem for the Golden State Warriors. They
don't have enough score warning for eighty two games. Stephen
(33:03):
Curry can't do it like he used to do it
with Klay Thompson when they were younger, So the margin
of error is very small, and I think the fan
base is upset because you've got a young player like
Jonathan kaminga who's just sitting there collecting twenty two million,
who was supposed to be one of those players for
eighty two games and he's not delivering.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Man, his name comes up all the time in trade
talks all like for the last it feels like two
years at least.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Why don't they trade him?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I think they're exploring their options. I would be surprised
if he is a Warrior past the trade deadline, because
again I think the I think Golden State has to
make another trade for a player just to come off
the bench and get your buckets to give Step and Jimmy,
(33:58):
but or of some breathing room, because there's no way
they're going to make it to the finish line in
the Western Conference. This would go bode well if they
were in the Eastern Conference because there's really only two
maybe three teams playing at that high of the level.
But not in the Western Conference. You'll tax them too much.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Are you all in on the Clippers now? All of
a sudden, are the Clippers formidable?
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (34:29):
The problem a lot like Golden State we saw last night.
They're the two oldest teams and they don't run a lot,
and they rely a lot on their half court offense,
which has been great lately. But more importantly, their defense
has stepped up. When they were last year, what made
them great was their defense, and I think over the
(34:50):
last eight ball games they have the best defense in
the league. Now, I know it's a small sample size,
but they've won seven of eight and it's because of
their defense. Can they continue to play like that? We'll see.
What helps. Is Kawhi's healthy and playing and you see
the numbers, But is he gonna go through one of
those stints where he plays one game, doesn't play right now?
(35:11):
He has to play. Harden didn't play last night because
of shoulder stiffness. But again, their margin of era, it's
very small because those guys can't take nights off because
there's not enough scoring on the back end of their roster.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Talking to Reggie Miller, he was on the call last
night the Warriors and the Clipper Steve Kerr getting thrown
out of that game. Yeah, Steve's not having a good year.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Well, and why do you say that?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
He just seems like he's frustrated. You know, the Draymond
Green stuff. They're not you know, they're a little better
than average.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Maybe he's really coaching harder than he's ever had to coach.
Used to be easy and you just said go out
there and have some fun and shoot some threes.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Again, that's why it's the beauty, you know, when you've
been to the mountaintop like Steve has been as a player,
it's won five chips four times. As a coach with
the Warriors, I think at times you can come become complacent,
and I think he's trying to show its fan base
as well as his team, if you want to continue
(36:26):
to be great, there's sacrifices that have to be made,
and there's tough choices that have to be said. And
the budding of head with Dreamond Green, you would be
surprised that happens all the time. I mean, you're a family,
and as long as those guys have been together and
all the wars that they've been through, I kind of
(36:48):
give them a long leash because I think they're allowed
to kind of speak to one another that way because
there's history there and I just hope it never comes
to a head because as Draymond Green is the perfect
player for this team because without him, I mean, he's
leads this team and assists point forward. The problem is
(37:11):
has been his offense because teams are just daring him
to shoot. And if you watch the game last night,
to start the game, he had three or four wide
open threes. Teammates two or three of those. The Warriors
are almost running away with this game because the momentum
would have been on their side. But it is what
it is.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
You have coaches former players who become coaches, but it's
rare when a really successful player becomes a head coach.
You had Larry Bird there. But what is it about
the role player becoming a head coach over maybe an
all star kind of player becoming a head coach.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
Well, I mean you look at JJ Reddick, Steve Kerk,
guys that were somewhat at the you say role player
or into the bench. I think they can look at all.
They can see what the star player goes through. They
can see what a role player who plays, you know,
twelve or fifteen minutes a game, and they can see
a guy who never sees the light of date and
he can kind of weave his way and act like
(38:20):
all three of those different proponents. And I think that's
what makes them successful because they can relate to all
three of them again playing for Larry Bird and Isaiah Thomas,
another Hall of Famer. Personally, for me it was a
joy because I played against those guys, I knew how
(38:41):
they prepared, and then to be coached from them. From
my standpoint, it was great. I don't know if it
was great for the younger players, but for us older
guys like Mark, Sam Perkins, Derek Backe. We all went
against Larry Legend. We respected him. There was a lot
of pressure to play for him, but it was worth
it because that's what we wanted, that's what we signed
(39:05):
up for.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Can you talk back to a Legend?
Speaker 5 (39:11):
I think there's there's respect there. Look, I'm from you
know this military. There's no talking back. There's a chain
of there's got to be a chain of command. Now,
you may have disagreements, you may have arguments of practice,
but during a game, I don't think it never rose
(39:32):
to that you're right, I'm right, you're wrong. It never
rose to that. You got to be respectful to your coach.
And you can handle that stuff in the locker room.
You never want to do that on the bench shore
where other people can peer in and and know what
your family business is going on.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Trey Young used to be a big deal with the Hawks.
That was that was a good story. It was a
few years ago. He's celebrating again, the Knicks in the garden.
He's playing in the Eastern Conference Finals. His numbers look
really good. He's in his prime, and he's on the
trading block. What happened with this?
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Here's the problem. Here's the problem, and sometimes it's getting
success too early. You mentioned it. I think his decline
really started after the Hawks went to the conference finals
and lost to the Milwaukee Bucks, the eventual champions, And
I think things came too easy for him. And again
(40:36):
I'm not in their practices. I don't follow them day
to day, but I hear things, and when you hear
things that players don't like playing with him. He doesn't
practice hard, he doesn't come early and work out. He
certainly doesn't stay late and work on his game. When
I hear comments like that, I hope they're not true,
(40:56):
because I think he is an unbelievable talent. He can
help a team out. The problem is he's small. He's
not going to grow. He's not very big. He's slight,
so he gets taken advantage of at the defensive end.
And if you're not gonna work on your game, you're
not gonna bulke up. Look at Stephen Curry. I mean
(41:18):
they were almost the same size at one point, and
you look at Curry now how much he has bulked up,
continues to work on his shot like it's going out
of business. I don't know if Trey works like that.
I don't know if he's committed to working like that.
So if you're the Hawks, you have a decision to
make what can you get in return for him? And
(41:38):
the longer they wait, those kind of returns start to
go down. It's like the stock market. So but I
know we've seen him on misplay in New York. We
know he's an ice trade. We know what he can
deliver is what can you get for him? And going
(41:59):
full for how is Trey going to act wherever he goes?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Jokers out of the MVP conversation, SGA in the thunder
of lost what five of their last ten? Can we
somehow slip Cad Cunningham into the MVP conversation?
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Yes, And I'm surprised more people are not speaking about kid.
We had a chance to do a game, up close
and personal, their last game on that long West coast
road trip versus the Lakers, and they beat the breaks
off the Lakers and Kate Cunningham look for those of
(42:40):
you who are late to the party. Overall number one
pick out of Oklahoma State and for his size at
six five sixty six, being a point guard controls the
whole action. And it helps now that Jalen Jurnham has
kind of grown into being that forced download for them.
They have a great one to connection and chemistry between
(43:04):
those two. He plays defense. Yeah, I think on the
back end, you've got Luca will be mentioned. It's unfortunate.
I don't know if Joker will qualify for those games.
SGA will be in the running. I don't think Giannis
is gonna qualify, but he'll have the type of numbers.
(43:24):
But Cade should certainly be in the discussion for MVP.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
No question.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, it's just they're not a glamour team in a
glamour town.
Speaker 8 (43:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
You know, Sports Center is not going to be leading
with Detroit, and you know they're they're the number one
seed right now. I mean they're they're they're gonna they're
gonna force feed you the Knicks, even the Celtics. But
Detroit's just not They're not gonna get national attention. And
that's a shame because he's averaging twenty seven to ten
and six for a team that's played that proof of
(44:00):
that last year was no fluke with.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Them second best record in the Association behind OKC. But
this is kind of on par for the Pistons, right
they were the bad boys, Isaiah. They had great players,
but they didn't get a lot of love back to
back champs. Same thing with Chauncey's team in two thousand
and four. It was five guys Tayshaun, Prince, Rip Hamilton,
(44:26):
Orsheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, but they weren't a sexy team.
What do they do? They won a championship. This current
Detroit team is cut from the same claw. They've got
one star on the verge of being a superstared kde
An up and becoming great young player and center in
(44:46):
Jalen Durham. But you think, well, who else is really
on this team? Isaiah Stewart is the Ben Wallace of
the team, the tough guy, but you couldn't name anyone else. JB.
Bickersteph is doing a great job and yes, everyone likes
to push, and rightfully so Jalen Brunson and the Knicks,
but those are the two top teams in the Eastern Conference.
(45:10):
And look, they went head to head last night and
what happened. The Pistons smacked him. So that was a
message game because last year during the playoffs, Brunson was
doing all the kissing to the fans after hitting threes,
and he wanted to make the Pistons, wanted to make
a statement that is going to be very difficult this
(45:30):
year for you to come in this building and be successful.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Uh, you got the Spurs in the thunder next Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Is this becoming the robbery? Is this becoming one of
the best roberries?
Speaker 4 (45:45):
I hope it is.
Speaker 5 (45:48):
I hope so too. Because to beat OKAC, you've got
to have a number of things. You've got to have
guards that are committed to pick up full That's exactly
what the Spurs have and Castle Basel deeron Fox is
one of those closers. And Wimby they have Chip the champs.
(46:11):
The Spurs have Wimby is two young teams and there's
a little bit of a crack. Now in a seven
game series, I probably would still take OKAC right now
because of experience. But the beauty of this is the
Spurs aren't afraid of them, and a lot of teams
are afraid of Okay.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
See, I like it. I like it.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Hey, great to catch up with you. We'll talk to
you soon.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Thank you, reg, I appreciate your Theodore.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
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