March 2, 2024 • 52 mins
Dan Patrick discusses the college basketball season and the court storming controversy with Hall of Fame HC Jim Boeheim. Dan talks the NFL Draft and expectations for what will happen with Caleb Williams with recently retired NFL Writer Peter King. Plus, Free Agent 1B Joey Votto joins Dan to break down why he remains unsigned with Opening Day less than a month away.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are back. It's our two great to have time off,
but we missed you. Gangs all here, including Fritzie, Jim Beaheim.
Jim Bayheim day yesterday at Syracuse. He'll join us coming
up and get his thoughts on storming the court. Does
he have a solution for that? And also the NCAA
tournament could have expanded ninety six teams. We'll talk to
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coach coming up here in a moment. NFL combine is happening.
Peter King announced that he was going to retire the
Football Morning and America columnist, former Monday Morning quarterback, and
in his column today he floated the possibility of maybe
the Bears trading the number one pick and then maybe
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getting the number two pick from Washington and maybe trading
that as well, maybe coming away with a hall of
nine draft picks in the first two rounds over the
next two years. But Peter floated that didn't report it,
just saying that what he's hearing, the Bears are probably
going to trade the number one pick.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
All right.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
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We'll have that for you coming on. I was watching
the tribute to Jim beahuon yesterday. I had all these luminaries,
everybody's saying nice things. It's emotional, and all of a
sudden they play our video because we were asked by Syracuse, hey,
could you guys do something, say some nice things about
coach Beheim. And then we went around the room, Fritzy
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and Seaton, Marvin Pauli and then myself and then we
kind of roasted Jim Beaheim and then made fun of
Jim after every game winner lose when he's at the
press conference. So they're showing this and I'm cringing. I'm
going I thought this was just like a private thing
for Jim, not in front of fifty thousand around how
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many people were there. So the former Syracuse head coach,
Jim Beayheim joining us on the program, let me apologize
on behalf of everyone here for absolutely nothing. That's our relationship,
and I'm glad that we closed you out that way.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I would have expect did nothing else.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And you know, it was twenty eight tributes twenty six
very nice, well done, and you and Gina my good
friend Oriama were brutal.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And it just you know, it was hard for the course,
you know, I mean, I expect that. And now even
my wife doesn't like you. She was she was like
your only fan in Syracuse. So now, I mean your
ratings just went probably forty percent down losing her. So
that's it. I mean, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We tried to say something nice. We did. We did.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
It's hard. I know, it's hard, it's really hard. Yeah,
but this is the new Jim Beheim. You watched me
on TV Island, you.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Know, look taking meaking.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And by the way, when you came on, I heard
who's the best player in all of sports to watch play?
Right now, I'll say basketball, it's easier for you, Clark,
nobody else. Steph Curry's close still, but she's moved past.
And you know why I like her the most. Her
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passing skills are unweel. She makes passes that are just
subtle that you have to know the game, which I
mean nobody in your room there I don't understand. I
know that that would be hard. You have to understand
the game. She makes subtle passes that really it's incredible.
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I watch every game she's on, I mean literally, but.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
We don't have to watch her. We don't have Caitlyn
Clark without Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well yeah, I mean, he's an influence on everybody. It's
like Pearl Washington was the first influence on a generation
of guards, and now it's you know, Steph Curry. He's unique.
I mean, it's not enough to say he's the best
shooter of all time, which he is, but he's just
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a unique player to watch play. My favorite player to
watch since probably Michael Jordan, I guess, and Magic. You
know some guys you just turn on the TV to watch.
I mean I have to stay up and you know
I'm old now, and I stay up to midnight to
watch Steph Curry play because you know, you have to,
you have to watch the guy play basketball. But she's
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just as fun to watch and amazing. I just said
she's an amazing player and she probably needs to stay
in college because she'd probably make four million dollars next
year with the wonderful new system we have of nil.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So wait, that sounded sarcastic with the wonderful news a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, it's a little bit. It's a great idea, and
I always great idea. It's just it's just turned into
we're going to buy these players, and that's what it is.
It's everybody knows that. It's pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Okay, could you give the green light to someone like
Caitlin Clark one of your players?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
One hundred percent? I gave the game greenlight the guys
that weren't as good as her, Come on.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But I mean shooting that deep. I remember Steve Kerr
would he would he would hold his head in his hands.
When Steph would take those long shots and then he
would make him. And then he realized that he makes
those that's just who he is.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's just you. I tell players, hey, you can take
any shot that you can make. I don't care where
it is, just as long as you can make it.
You know, fire it, let it go. And you know,
some people can just do things other people can't do.
Part of coaching his adjustments, you know, adjust to those guys.
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And it's not hard to adjust to Steph Curry, trust me.
You know, he's just okay. Pearl Washington was like that.
He did some crazy things, but he you know, he
he did them, and he entertained people. You know, we
went from fifteen thousand people a game when Pearl Washington
came to Syracuse. It was early. It was in the
first second year of the Carrier Dome now the JMA Dome.
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But we went to twenty five thousand people in one year,
and it was because of people wanted to watch this
guy play. And you know, it was some people are
like that there's there's great players, and then there's great
players that everybody want to watch play. You know, that's
there's a there is a difference. There's a difference, no
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question about it.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
All Right, we're talking to the former Syracuse head coach
Jim Bayham. A couple of things, court storming. What would
be your solution on how to police or prevent.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, you bought one hundred and two hundred police officers there,
you could do it. But you know, I mean, I'm
very sympathic. I hope Kyle. I love Kyle Philipowski. I
hope he's all right. I really do. But in all
the years of all the court stormings I've seen, and
you know, I'm kind of old, so it's probably a
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couple of hundred, right, I've never seen anybody get hurt.
I mean that's the first thing everybody's talked about since
this happened. Players, safety, players, this And I've never seen
anybody get hurt. Now that doesn't mean they couldn't get hurt,
but it's you know, it's it's you could stop it.
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I mean you'd have to just ring the whole building
with police officers with sticks and stuff, and you know
you could stop it. Yeah, I mean you can. But
I've never seen anybody get hurt. This the one that
was a fast court. Those people you know, you know
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those people that were storming the court there, you know
at wake they were fast. I mean they must have
had all the athletes running out there literally kind of
a lower one.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Weake was favored by two. You can't storm the court
when you're favored.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Well, when you haven't beaten Dukin twenty five years and
you went he I mean come out, yeah you do.
There is an occasion that you can storm to the court.
And it was a huge win for wait is you
know Joe Lenardi, as we all know, pick three acc
teams go over the tournament just a month ago and
couldn't have been more wrong. We're going to have six
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in there, maybe more, but at least that because you
can't go you know, by numbers. The net is the
worst thing ever foisted upon us by the NCAA. Have
a lot of bad things because you can play ten
bad teams, beat them by a lot, and your net's
going to be good because you cap the point spread,
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but you can't cap the efficiency of your offense and defense.
And when you're playing bad teams and you win by forty,
you're going to be very efficient on both ends. So
your net's going to be great. So you just need
to discount the net a little bit and try to
find the best teams. And I'm not saying they're acc
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teams will have some of them, but you have to
look for the best teams, not teams that have the
best NET, because you can get a net by playing
nobody and winning big. And we need to understand I
think the NCAA committee understands that. I think that's been
talked about a lot, and we have to get back
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to finding the best teams and the end result when
you get to the end of selection Sunday, you want
to have the best teams in the tournament, and you
have to watch teams play and see their improvement, more
so now than ever. I believe in the whole seasons important,
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but with the transfer portal, so many new teams that
you have to watch teams at the middle and end
of the year to see how they've developed from beginning
to end. And when you have so many transfers, you're
not going to be as good in the beginning and
you might be really good at the end. So even
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though you take the whole season any consideration, you have
to put some little emphasis on the last fifteen or
twenty games.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Let's speak of the tournament. The new president of the NCAA,
I guess, is floating the idea of expanding the tournament
to ninety six schools.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Listen, I've talked about this for forty years. It doesn't
hurt a thing to expand the tournament. If anything, in
the first rounds you get the bad teams out, you'll
end up with a better sixty eight or sixty four.
If you do it that way, get more fan bases involved,
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we get more players in the tournament, and you don't
hurt the tournament at all. And you can do it.
I don't know if you get in ninety six, but
we have a play in days right now. Just have
three players at three at the four sites where the
tournament's going to be. So if you win, you're playing,
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you're right there. It's your site. Now, you don't have
to go.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
With the NC double line. What happened to you?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Oh it's hard, it's hard, trust me. And it's only once. O. Hey,
everybody's right once a day. Every clock's right twice a day.
A broken clock, right. But no, they this is we
should expand I know all these peerists say, oh, we
don't you know, well, what if we were still where
we started at twelve. John Wooden was a great coach.
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We were at sixteen. He didn't want to expand. Best
coach ever history, right, No, we don't need to expand. Well,
then we went to thirty two, forty eight, sixty's the
tournament is good, hour better, it's better. So you add
a few teams. So what it's over, you can get
it over in a couple of days. Be down to
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sixty four teams, go forward. Yeah, it's no big deal.
The same in football. You know they should have expanded
the football right away. It should have been where whoever
it is?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Twelve six yea before I let you go? Did you
ever cross pats with Pete Merrivitch? I know his names
come up now because of Caitlin Clark and yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I you know I saw him play in person once
and it was in the NIT in New York and
in those days, you know you hadn't seen him. You
know he was at LSU. He had seen him. The
first play he caught the ball in the rebound, took
one dribble and through it behind the back length of
the court, passed to a guy who caught it and
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laid it in and I'm guy to go like who
that was good? The guy was Sintlen Clark. You know
what was it forty years ago? Fifty fabulous, unbelievable offensive machine.
He could do things with a basketball that really no
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even Steph Curry can't do just dribble things, passing things.
I mean, the guy was in a good conference and
was defended with boxing ones all the time and averaged
forty points a game. Now you know who can do that?
How many people can do that? That many?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And not the three point shot either. If you factor
that in, he's he probably would have ended his career.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
You know, yeah, he would have had fifty every fifty
games every time. But thanks for the nice tribute to me.
And it's good to bring you down, bring people, you know,
when other people are looking you up. It's good that
you know somebody's there like you and Gena just to
you know, I'm a member of the your group. Now
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you got to be nice.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And yet no, no, no no. And by the way,
you know what, we made fun of coach K, so
if we can make fun of coach K, we can
make fun of you.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Absolutely, he's the best. I mean, I'm not even in
the same kid. I'm not the same same one. One
time a guy in Syracuse try to compare me to
Coach Wooden, and I said, well, yeah, I mean we're similar.
He's on the penthouse and I'm in the basement. It's
about the that's about close we are. You know. I
think I've worked my way up from about the fifth floor.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, you're in the kitchen. You're in the kitchen. Maybe, yes,
everything happens in the kitchen. Yeah, you're not going to
get to.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
The It's come a long way since I met you
with Kevin Kostner and you were just a guy. You
were what you were just there was a newser support.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
So I was at CNN. I was at CNN in Atlanta, and.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Uh, in the room, don't even know who you were.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
They did not, they did not. Yeah, there was there
was a girl who was interested in me and Costner.
And Costner went over and and.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
He said it.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
He started talking to her and then he sees me
and he goes, I get out of here. I'm gonna
take one for you. I go, all right, So Kevin
Costner took one for me as he shattered up this woman.
But all right, my best to your wife is always.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Five years old.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
All right, that's okay, that's okay, it's okay. Uh stay
in touch and UH congratulations on your day.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
When you need to get a boost in your ring,
and just call me, I'll be happy to come.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
A right, thank you. Let's all say goodbye to uh
coach behinding bye coach k or coach behunt coach beyh.
Yeah we really showed him, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
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here for a couple minutes.
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Speaker 2 (18:06):
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Speaker 3 (18:22):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Say goodbye to Peter King.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Hey, I look forward to a life of irrelevance.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, hey, welcome to my world. All righty, A couple
of things here. By the way, you have a wake
Forest jacket on. Are you? Are you pro court storming?
Is that why you're wearing this?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (18:46):
I detest court storming. Okay, it's idiotic. It shouldn't happen.
And I've thought that even before this guy got hurt
from Duke. It's it's bad, it's dangerous, it's it's just
a dumb idea, and they got to do something about it.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, that's what we're trying to figure out what is
it that they can do that's going to prevent this.
Whereas when you have professional sports, we encourage the security
guy to knock the guy to the ground when he
runs onto the baseball field or football field. Here, you're
kind of saying, yeah, go on down there and have
a little bit of fun, but the game. They're not
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interrupting the game. This is after the game. And my
solution is just ensure that you have police presence and
you get the opposing team off the court, like that's
what their job is. Make sure you corral them, get
everybody to the locker room, and then if the students
want to come on the floor, fine, but get the
opposing team off the floor safely.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
From here on out. What I would do if I
were a coach, I would simply say that, you know,
especially if my program is a big program like Duke,
I would simply say, at each game, I have I
want eight security the officers there after the game, and
I want them to create a little funnel after the game,
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and that funnel leads to the tunnel that lets people
go out of a place peacefully. Because quite honestly, I
don't trust schools even if they ban court storming, I
don't trust them to, you know, to make the court
storm proof. But anyway, what do I know? I just
saw this and I just said, who allows this idiotic
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stuff to happen? Where is the NCAA. But I've said
that about the NCAAA for the last three or four years.
It is an idiotic, useless organization.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
You sound like a retired guy.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
I'm yelling at the clouds. I'm cleansing inferno. How in
the world can the head coach at UCLA go to
become the offensive coordinator at a school in the same conference.
What is wrong with this picture? I'll tell you what's
wrong with this picture. You know, the PAC twelve should
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be the PAC twelve. The idiots who put the PAC
twelve in the Big ten are idiots. They just are
Do you realize that the minor sports, and I hate
to call in the minor sports, the non revenue sports.
How would you like to be on the pick A team,
the UCLA men's soccer team and have a road trip
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to state College Pennsylvania or you name it, you name it,
and you play one game and then you get back
on a plane and you fly back to Los Angeles.
I know some of them are going to do two
games and all that stuff, but even two games, you're
flying three thousand miles to play two soccer games or
two softball games or maybe even one and then you
go back home. Hey, bunch of idiots, it's just money.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's just greed, Pete. That's all this is.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Really.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Look at Big East Basketball, the best conference ever, and
what happened. Football ruined football. Greed ruined the best basketball
conference in America. Yeah, that's all it is. That's the
bottom line. Speaking of the NCAA, I have an idea. Yeah,
looking at these running backs, they're all available. You know,
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they're going to get franchise tag. Anybody get in a
contract here. What if we said that we're going to
give exemptions to running backs after their sophomore year, that
they could leave college if they wanted to to go
to the NFL.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
Well, then I'm sure what you would do is you
would get maybe not a union, but some sort of
organized effort for the left tackles to say, well, why
do we have to say three years? Well, you know,
I understand why you're saying that, Dan, because there's only
so much tread on a tire for running back. But
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and again I don't mean the sound callous, but running backs, unfortunately,
in the way the game is today, are simply not
as important as they were twenty years ago. You know,
twenty years ago a running back had just as much
of a chance before the season of winning the MVP.
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Look at the years that Adrian Peterson and Ladanian, Tomlinson
and Sean Alexander had, you know. So it's just the
way the game goes. And of course, you know, you
feel sorry for Saquon Barkley that he makes one quarter
of what Daniel Jones makes. It's stupid. Unfortunately, that's just
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the economics of the game.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
What was your first year cover in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I covered the.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Bengals for the Cincinnati Inquirer in nineteen eighty four, and
I actually picked up rookie quarterback Boomerisias at the airport
the day he got drafted. And he actually he had
a teammate named Pete Koch who was also drafted, who
was a defensive end six five, two ninety and so
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I had a two door Volkswagen Rabbit and I brought
I went to say, hey, I'm picking you up, and
they looked around saying, immediate guy is picking us up
from the airport. I conveniently hid them from the guy
in the limo that was sent to pick them up
from the Bengals. And so we went to the parking lot.
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We get in the car and boomersiasin, who was already
pissed off about being picked in the middle of the
second round. He looks at the car, realized he's gonna
have to squeeze into the back seat, and he goes,
welcome to the fn NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
And he's had a chip on his shoulder ever since then,
Yes see, and he still does.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Okay, So all the years you covered the NFL, if
I said you can have the answer to one story,
one question, what's the one question or one story that
you want an answer to that you didn't get.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
I would really want to know why Bill Belichick felt
the need to videotape sidelines when he already was the
most brilliant defensive coach maybe of all time. That will
always confuse me. It's like when Robert Kraft asked him,
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and this was in this documentary, he said it many
times when I asked him how much at an advantage
he it gave him. Belichick said one percent, and Kraft
said to him, well, you're a schmunk. I mean, it's
just I realize you try to get every edge, but
when the league tells you the previous year you can't
do this because they know you've been doing it, and
(25:53):
then you do it again the first year at your
arch Rivals where Eric Maningeni is coaching the team. I mean,
Bill Belichick is a lot smarter than I ever will
be about many things in life. He wasn't very smart
that year.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, trying to figure out though Bill's next move. Is
there a chance in your mind that he has coached
his final NFL game?
Speaker 7 (26:16):
I guess there is, because how in the world could
there be seven openings other than New England and he
gets one formal interview. Now you probably got a couple
of phone calls, Hey, what do you think is it
worthwhile for us to talk whatever? But I mean, I
keep wondering. You're Josh Harris. You just paid six billion
dollars for this football team. Explain to me why you
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wouldn't sit in a room with Bill Belichick for a
day or for six hours. Yeh, at the very least
to simply download his brain. I will never understand why
Washington did not interview Bill.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Belichick talking to Peter King, the recently retired Peter Kane,
the Chicago Bears. Not a report, but you kind of
sent something out there that caught my attention. Where you go,
I could see the Bears, the wind is blowing that
it looks like they'll trade that number one pick. These
are scenarios that could happen. How much research is in there, Pete, nothing, nothing, Absolutely, Yeah,
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you didn't speak to anybody.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
I spoke to nobody. I haven't talked to anybody like
Dan a year ago at this time. I just read,
I read What's out there. A year ago at this time,
I sat in a room for forty five minutes with
Ryan Poles right at the scouting combine at the Hyatt
in Indianapolis. His next appointment was Scott Fitterer, the general
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manager of the Carolina Panthers. And that's what this is
what Ryan Poles is going to do this week. And
I just believe, I just believe. If I am Ryan Pohles,
you know what I have on my team. I have
a B quarterback with about ten significant holes. I probably
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in the next two drafts could take the first pick
in this draft and turn it into along with my
other picks, a total of maybe eight picks in the
top two rounds in the next two drafts. I could
do that. Why wouldn't you do that? Why wouldn't you
build a great team around a b quarterback instead of
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drafting a quarterback who might be an a quarterback? But
it's the hardest thing to project in all of sports.
What quarterback when you when you that you draft is
going to be great? Look at the misses over the years.
So in my opinion, if your locker room loves Justin fields,
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if you know that you can surround Justin fields with
a supporting cast the way Brett Veach and Andy Reid
have surrounded Patrick Mahomes with a supporting cast. To me,
it's not a very difficult decision. But I don't know
what they're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
I put that in basically because you just keep hearing
things about this, and I just believe that the smartest
thing for them is to trade the pick.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Now that you're retired, what are you going to do
Sunday night, after all the games go.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
To sleep happily And I probably won't make it to
the end of the Sunday night game, which will be
a happy moment for me because one of the reasons
I wanted to retire before the Scouting Combine is that
I used to love going to the scouting combine five six,
eight years ago. You're up to one thirty every night,
but you're also spending forty five minutes with Sean McVay
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or with whoever you know, with all these well, not
Sean McVeagh anymore, he doesn't go to the Scouting Combine,
but all these coaches you see out, Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (30:09):
You just sit with him and you talk to him
about whatever, and that is great. But I've gotten to
the point of my life I knew one of the
reasons it's time to go is that I have no
desire to stay up till one thirty in the morning
anymore to do anything. Sorry, that's just the way it
goes when you're sixty six. So that's one of the
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reasons that I knew was time to go.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
All right, before I let you go, can you help
me with this campaign crusade to get Brent Musburger into
the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Well, Dan, I saw that a few weeks ago. I'd
be happy. And I believe absolutely unequivocally, the Hall of
Fame voters have nothing to do with the people that
are selected for the Ruin Ourldge Ward, which you know,
the TV Award.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
The Pete Roselle Award.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
The Pete rosell Award.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I'm sorry, Pete, yeah, but you know those people. So
I and I have.
Speaker 7 (31:09):
Said on many occasions, this guy should be in, that
guy should be in. Dan, I'm not involved in any
way other than to say, man, you ought to look
at Musburger, you ought to look at this guy.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, but you don't have a job now, Pete, I'm
giving you a job.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
Dan, with all due respect, and I love Brett Musburger.
There are a lot of things in my life that
I could get out of crusade about. That's not the
one that is number one on my list. However, However,
I absolutely categorically think that Brett Musburger, who is on
the Mount rushmore of you know, the TV influencers in
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the history of the NFL, it's insane. He's not he
doesn't have that award.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
No, congrats on the decision, and all right, Dan.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
Hey, thank you, good good to be with you always
and listen, I'm going to be scratching and clawing to
get on your show what I'm feeling, particularly next October.
So just make sure that Todd Fritz has an excuse
built in. Peter, we're booked for the next eight months.
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We got nothing. Yeah, oh okay, all right, Hey, take
care guys.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Thank you, Peter, all right, see you later. That's Peter King,
Football Night in America also Football Morning and America columnist.
And did it for a long long time. That'll take
years off of you.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
He did it too well, like he set a standard
and then you have to live up to that standard
when you do a long form column. And all the
stuff that he would put in there, now it was
must reading every Monday that you would get that. And
there was always something that you could take out of there.
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There was a quote in there, there was a story
in there, there was you know, a rumor in there.
There was just there was always something. And I'll go
back to the Boston Globe when you had Peter Gammons
and you had will Will McDonough covered the NFL. Who
was it Peter may covered the NBA maybe for them,
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but the Sunday Boston Globe was must reading because there
were every Peter Gammons had his baseball page, there was
a football page, a basketball page, and it was as
good a sports department as anybody has ever assembled. And
I just I, you know, I was fortunate to grow
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up with that. I would go out and get the
Boston Globe when I was in New York, even when
I was in Ohio, I wanted to read the Boston
Globe because it had so much information in there. And
those kind of columnists, well, newspapers they're dying.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
What we ask of a columnist is different now, but
Peter old school and twenty seven years of doing that. Yeah, Peter, Paul.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
A long time ago, back when we were at ESPN,
you had a day off and we Fritzy and I
and you as well, were discussing phil and hosts, and
we decided to ask Peter King and he got back
to us. He goes, I'd love to. I've never hosted
a radio show in my life before.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I'd love to.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
And we did it at the ESPN Zone in New
York City. And Peter is prepped him. He knows football
at the back of his hand. He walked in he
did three hours in your spot and we had guests,
we had everything ready for him. He got done, he
looked like he just left a sauna.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
He goes.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
I'm never doing that again. Mark, what you didne have
a funny? Goes, I had a blast, He goes. That
was a lot different than what I was expected. And
he wrote about it in his Monday Morning Quarterback column. Yes,
and it was fascinating, he said, he goes, I had
no idea how to pace yourself in a three hour format,
and it was. It was great radio. But he was
He was like a wet sponge when he done.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
But that's why I wanted to have you guys here
later on in my career, that I could take a break.
You know, you guys might have something to say. And
then it allowed me. Plus I didn't want to just
hear my voice. But you know, these singular hosts, it's
tough to do that for three hours and it's live
and the energy that it takes, and I realized that.
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I realized that a while ago, like, hey, you guys
can help me with a heavy lifting here. Plus it's
more content as well. But you know you have singular hosts,
and you know you rely on your callers or you know,
people who have writers on their staff to help you
with you know, certain segments there. But you know, Peete's
not the first to say that and won't be the
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last to do that. When you're in there and you
go because everybody says the same thing, I could do that.
You just sit around for three hours, you just talk yeah,
and then after about seventeen minutes, they go, I don't
know what else I'm going to talk about?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yes. Well.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
The first time we had Mike Florio in studio is
a similar situation. He'd been a guest on many radio shows,
he'd never hosted. He to credit over prepared for the show.
He tried to write out the segments and it looked
like the movie Seven the notebooks. He had thousands of
words written down and he did a very good job.
But he even say he was I was over prepared.
I had too many notes. I should have just relaxed.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's one thing to be a guest, and now he's
cruising on his show. Yes he is, but it took
him a long time to understand it. There's a flow
to it, a cadence to it, and to make it
sound easy look easy that's part of the job of
being a sportscaster. That's why everybody wants to do it. It's
like I could do that. I'd like to do that.
I'd like to be on Sports Center. Yeah, okay, let
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me know. Eleven o'clock. It's live, and all of a sudden,
you're like, wait a minute, where's the highlight prompters?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Down?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
All the fun things that go along in this business?
All right, and we'll take a break. We're back after
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Speaker 1 (36:52):
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Speaker 2 (37:04):
He's Joey Vono, free agent, six time All Star, won
an MVP, seventeen years in Major League Baseball, all with
the Reds, and here he sits all alone with us.
Speaker 8 (37:18):
Good morning, Joey, Good morning, so glad to be here.
Thanks for having me, Dan.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, how's morale?
Speaker 8 (37:26):
Well slow, it's as low as it gets, okay, and
at this right I don't see it getting any better.
But I'm on the show and I'm here to hawk
my wares. I'm hopeful that Dan Patrick push will get
me a job. So here I am.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Oh, so you might be an analyst? Your days playing
are over?
Speaker 8 (37:50):
Oh no, no, no, no, I'm here to Let's get
me a baseball job. Let's play some baseball. Okay, No, no,
not an analyst, No, okay, so funny, funny, funny, funny enough.
I've had ten times the analyst jobs over this offseason
than I have had any baseball offers.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
What's the best offer you've received so far from a team?
Speaker 8 (38:15):
No? Oh, just chatter, just just talk. No, no firm
offer yet.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
No.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Do you think the beard is helping or hurting you
with the teams that might be interested in you?
Speaker 8 (38:29):
It's I don't know if it's I don't know if
it's making a difference. I can tell you it's a
reflection of my emotional state, you know, the I feel.
You know, last night I was sitting on the couch
eating boxes of cookies, watching old Dan Patrick, you know,
by the way, Larry Bird's my favorite interview so far. Okay,
And I've got cookie crumbs on my stomach, cookie crumbs
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on my beard, you know, and I was thinking, Wow,
things are going pretty good from you right now.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
So yeah, yeah, but I still look back when Travis
Kelcey was first taking a shot and with Taylor Swift,
and then you were kind of in the on deck
circle at least, you know, you wanted to maybe take
your shot. And now look at those two. What could
have been. You could be traveling the world with Taylor
Swift right now and teams would be offering you a job.
Speaker 8 (39:25):
Yeah, it would be. It would be a different a
different version of the simulation, as they say, the new
saying from the kids and now.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
But no, I.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
It's just not to be, Dan, It's just not to be.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
So I see that you have a guitar behind you.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
Yeah, yeah, my, that's actually so. I had everything from
my Cincinnati house shipped up. I'm in Toronto, Canada. I
had everything all my you know, little trinkets and then
you know, clothing, et cetera. And I had this guitar
down down in Cincinnati at the house. That was my
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late father's guitar he used to play. And when I
was a boy, we went to a guitar store and
I remember vividly he didn't have any cash in his
wallet and I just happened to have a little bit
of cash on me and I paid for the guitar,
very very inexpensive guitar, but that was something we shared
together at that store and he played it all the time,
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and then now I get to have it. So yeah,
it just brings back great memories of my father playing
Hotel California and singing it and wanting the family to
sing it, and then wanting to go on tour as
a family and only playing covers of Hotel California together
as a group. So it would have been either a
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really really long show, you know, or a short show.
So yeah, it just brings back great memories.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Could you give me three hundred match this season?
Speaker 8 (41:01):
I'd love to give you, you know, I'd love to
give you seven hundred played appearances. I'm I'm, I'll take
one or seven hundred played appearances. My attitude is prepare
for the season, be available for anything that comes my way,
and then just work, you know, I I I'll give it.
I'll be sincere for a moment realizing you know that
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that jobs aren't aren't flowing. You just miss you miss
the game. You you love. The love I feel is
coming to the forefront for the game, and I still
feel longing to compete, and I I think I'm still good,
you know, I really do. But yeah, it's just a
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beautiful game. I missed the spring and the summer weather.
I missed the stadiums, I missed the time in the
battles box. You brought up three hundred at bats. You know,
every single one of those those are bats is memorable
and special, and when you don't have them in front
of you, you realize how that you miss them.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
How scary is retirement.
Speaker 8 (42:04):
Yeah, I think I think the reason why it's concerning
to me is because, like, look, I can't I refuse
to make any excuse about about my my recover my
childer injury and it's recovery. I refuse to. But I
do know it was a factor. And the idea of
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being this you know, uh spirit wandering, you know, the
the middle Middle Earth without that sort of finality to
my career is intimidating to me. I feel like one
of you know, I feel like I'm in a bit
of it. There's a possibility that if I don't play again,
I'll be in a bit of a purgatory, not having
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the opportunity to prove to myself it's over or no, no, no,
you can still do it. And at full strength. And
so that's the thing that stands most out, to stands
out the most of me. I get excited about the
idea of retirement, you know, traveling, doing some traveling, hopefully
starting a family one day, having having a consistent routine.
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But I'm just not there yet mentally, and I've prepared
as much as I possibly could.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, it's it's sometimes retirement chooses you. You don't choose retirement.
And right right now you have teams, by their inactivity,
are really giving you the message that maybe you don't
want to, you know, consume, but it might be the
reality that you won't have an opportunity to play again.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (43:36):
To be fair, though the fragent market has has ground
to a halt. You know, last year Cy young Winner
still doesn't have a job. You know, there's plenty of
like likely nine figure pit players, certainly eight figure contract
players that don't have jobs yet. I yeah, I don't
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know what to say. O. Then you may be absolutely correct,
but that's not a language I speak to myself. You know,
when when when I was coming up through the minor leagues,
excuse me, when I was coming up in high school,
I remember being at a side outside of a batting cage,
and I'm sixteen, seventeen years old and a boy says
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to me, you know, what are you going to do
after high school? And I said, without hesitation, I'm gonna
I'm going to play professional baseball. And he laughed in
my face and he was like, are you talking about dude?
Gives me a break, and that hurt. And then I
remember being in the minor leagues and someone asked me,
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you know, what do you how long do you want
to play in the major leagues for? And I said,
what do you mean? I'm going to win like multiple
most valuable players? You know, I just I just don't
operate in a way that I'm you know, I don't
think like.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
I'm ready.
Speaker 8 (45:05):
I don't feel like I had that quit language. And
I want someone to, you know, just finish me as
far as like just just just just I'm trying to
think of a h an appropriate you know for this
G this G show, but you know, just stop on
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my skull and and finish me. And I'm going to
keep fighting all the way to the end sort of thing.
So what if the angel proverbiably red to rhetorically.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
What if the Angels reached out and said, we'll give
you the league minimum.
Speaker 8 (45:45):
I'd have to ask my agent if that's a fair
market deal. You know, I I don't know enough. I
don't know what the market looks like.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Well, how important is money as opposed to still being
able to put on a uniform?
Speaker 8 (45:59):
That sweet spot of how important is money?
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Money?
Speaker 8 (46:04):
Money does a couple of things for you, And I'm
not saying like in your bank account. I'm saying it
buys you additional abats because they've invested in you. It
buys you leverage.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
You know.
Speaker 8 (46:17):
I suppose just playing well solves that. But at no
point in time do you ever have a are you
ever in a position of power? So as far as
like money being a factor, I'm going to let my
agent dictat To be honest with you, I can only
speak so much about that. I've had two contracts from
the team that drafted me that basically were in the
flow of my crime, where you know, I really I
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negotiated relatively hard, but I was never in a position
of weakness, And so I don't know. I guess I'm
speaking out a turn in terms of what what the money,
what the dollars mean? So forgive me if I'm if
I'm sounding like I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
And hear in your voice you're normally upbeat. We have fun.
Speaker 8 (47:04):
It's not you asked me retirement questions.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
You ask me, Yeah, but that's the reality of this. Yeah,
like the elephant is in the room and I have
to address that that there's a real possibility you don't
play again.
Speaker 8 (47:17):
Yeah, there is a real time.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
So these aren't fun questions. But it is my job
to ask the real questions. So that that's why I asked,
would you would you be a part of a managerial staff?
Speaker 8 (47:31):
I have no interest in that. I spent the last
you know, from November one, you know, we we met
after when I was in Iceland and I went onto
England and Spain. I had a lovely month trip. But
from November one until this very day, I mean, the
second I get done with this, I've got my my
training prep and then my physical therapy again with the
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intent on getting to a perfect place physically. You know,
I don't, I don't. I'm not. I'm not training to
be a manager or training to be a front office
member or an announcer. You know, it's such the degree
of difficulty just gets significantly higher as you get older,
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and as as the league gets to know your tendencies,
and as you get injured, and you know, all these
things culminate to a raiz or raisor thin sort of
margin for error. And I'm just in a place where
I want to prep give myself the best opportunity. And then,
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you know, there was I was over at my buddy's house,
maybe over you know, with his wife and kids, and
he had a sign laying on the ground. He's probably
listening right now. He had a sign lane on the
ground that said love like You're going to love like
you You're never going to get your heartbroken sort of thing.
And that's the way I feel about this scenario. I'm
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going to go all the way in and if it
gets taken from me, you know, I've had a freaking
great run, a great run, and I've checked every box,
achieved every goal. But I feel like my attitude towards
this is as healthy as it gets because I've got
a new challenge. So I'm I'm not doing for the money.
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I'm not doing it for the fame. I'm not doing
it for the accolades or the stat padding I'm doing
it for the genuine love of competition, and if it
doesn't come my way, I'll accept that and move on.
And uh, you know, come on with you as an
analyst in some capacity to catch up on type you know,
sea through pants what have you. But you know, as
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as it stands.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Right, that's what you're missing out on. You want to
wear the sea through pants. I know what's going on.
I'll get your hair. You can wear it around the
house if you want to. What happened to you in
your lasted.
Speaker 8 (49:53):
Bat Yeah, you know, it was just I think frustrated
with the day.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
But what was the result of the last what could
be your last time?
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (50:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I was ejected from the game.
We were in Saint Louis on a day game, right.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
You're laughing. I was.
Speaker 8 (50:14):
I was in Saint Louis on It was a it
was a day game. And by the way, Saint Louis
fans gave me a, you know, a lovely applause when
I walked up to bad I mean, what generosity. But
I remember vividly being in a foul, foul mood when
I walked up, ready to compete, and you know, I
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struck out, went back to the dugout and I went
underneath and I slammed the bat. I was actually quite
disappointed that I was so upset that I slammed the
bad after the strikeout and went and went to the
doug outs now and iPad looked at that bat, saw
that it was not a strike during the middle of
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the bat, which is typically when you don't get upset,
and I started hollering at the umpire. And he's a
great umpire with a steady demeanor, but you can't hauler
from the bench bullying or just you know, disrupting the game.
And he threw me out and I walked up. I
ran up to him and I wasn't even angry. I
ran up to him and I go that boles in.
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You know that boles inside. This could be my last game.
I said those words, this could be the last game.
And he said, why'd you then? Why'd you get thrown out? Joey?
Why did you yell at me? You knew that this
was going to prompt an ejection? And I said, yeah,
you're right, I'm sorry, all right, have a good game,
take care, And I you know, you see on the
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video I touch him on his on his side or
on his arm, and I said, you're absolutely right. All right,
take care you.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
Know that was it?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
All right, stay in touch, good luck. If I can
help you in any way, let me know.
Speaker 8 (51:52):
Okay, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Dan hig Bud, It's Joey Vado. Anybody want classy guy,
good locker room guy, and not afraid to get thrown
out of a game as well. He's ready. So I
got an MVP two ninety four career average, three hundred
and fifty six home runs, twenty one hundred hits, the
MVP as well six All Star appearances.
Speaker 5 (52:17):
Yeah, Paul worked in a nice little compliment to the
Cardinals fans at the end.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah he did smart move. Yeah, they would love him.
He's one of those guys. If he's on your roster,
he's going to help your roster. He will
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are back. It's our two great to have time off,
but we missed you. Gangs all here, including Fritzie, Jim Beaheim.
Jim Bayheim day yesterday at Syracuse. He'll join us coming
up and get his thoughts on storming the court. Does
he have a solution for that? And also the NCAA
tournament could have expanded ninety six teams. We'll talk to
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coach coming up here in a moment. NFL combine is happening.
Peter King announced that he was going to retire the
Football Morning and America columnist, former Monday Morning quarterback, and
in his column today he floated the possibility of maybe
the Bears trading the number one pick and then maybe
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getting the number two pick from Washington and maybe trading
that as well, maybe coming away with a hall of
nine draft picks in the first two rounds over the
next two years. But Peter floated that didn't report it,
just saying that what he's hearing, the Bears are probably
going to trade the number one pick.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
All right.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
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We'll have that for you coming on. I was watching
the tribute to Jim beahuon yesterday. I had all these luminaries,
everybody's saying nice things. It's emotional, and all of a
sudden they play our video because we were asked by Syracuse, hey,
could you guys do something, say some nice things about
coach Beheim. And then we went around the room, Fritzy
(02:16):
and Seaton, Marvin Pauli and then myself and then we
kind of roasted Jim Beaheim and then made fun of
Jim after every game winner lose when he's at the
press conference. So they're showing this and I'm cringing. I'm
going I thought this was just like a private thing
for Jim, not in front of fifty thousand around how
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many people were there. So the former Syracuse head coach,
Jim Beayheim joining us on the program, let me apologize
on behalf of everyone here for absolutely nothing. That's our relationship,
and I'm glad that we closed you out that way.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I would have expect did nothing else.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And you know, it was twenty eight tributes twenty six
very nice, well done, and you and Gina my good
friend Oriama were brutal.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And it just you know, it was hard for the course,
you know, I mean, I expect that. And now even
my wife doesn't like you. She was she was like
your only fan in Syracuse. So now, I mean your
ratings just went probably forty percent down losing her. So
that's it. I mean, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We tried to say something nice. We did. We did.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
It's hard. I know, it's hard, it's really hard. Yeah,
but this is the new Jim Beheim. You watched me
on TV Island, you.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Know, look taking meaking.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And by the way, when you came on, I heard
who's the best player in all of sports to watch play?
Right now, I'll say basketball, it's easier for you, Clark,
nobody else. Steph Curry's close still, but she's moved past.
And you know why I like her the most. Her
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passing skills are unweel. She makes passes that are just
subtle that you have to know the game, which I
mean nobody in your room there I don't understand. I
know that that would be hard. You have to understand
the game. She makes subtle passes that really it's incredible.
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I watch every game she's on, I mean literally, but.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
We don't have to watch her. We don't have Caitlyn
Clark without Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well yeah, I mean, he's an influence on everybody. It's
like Pearl Washington was the first influence on a generation
of guards, and now it's you know, Steph Curry. He's unique.
I mean, it's not enough to say he's the best
shooter of all time, which he is, but he's just
(05:12):
a unique player to watch play. My favorite player to
watch since probably Michael Jordan, I guess, and Magic. You
know some guys you just turn on the TV to watch.
I mean I have to stay up and you know
I'm old now, and I stay up to midnight to
watch Steph Curry play because you know, you have to,
you have to watch the guy play basketball. But she's
(05:37):
just as fun to watch and amazing. I just said
she's an amazing player and she probably needs to stay
in college because she'd probably make four million dollars next
year with the wonderful new system we have of nil.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So wait, that sounded sarcastic with the wonderful news a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, it's a little bit. It's a great idea, and
I always great idea. It's just it's just turned into
we're going to buy these players, and that's what it is.
It's everybody knows that. It's pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Okay, could you give the green light to someone like
Caitlin Clark one of your players?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
One hundred percent? I gave the game greenlight the guys
that weren't as good as her, Come on.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But I mean shooting that deep. I remember Steve Kerr
would he would he would hold his head in his hands.
When Steph would take those long shots and then he
would make him. And then he realized that he makes
those that's just who he is.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's just you. I tell players, hey, you can take
any shot that you can make. I don't care where
it is, just as long as you can make it.
You know, fire it, let it go. And you know,
some people can just do things other people can't do.
Part of coaching his adjustments, you know, adjust to those guys.
(06:56):
And it's not hard to adjust to Steph Curry, trust me.
You know, he's just okay. Pearl Washington was like that.
He did some crazy things, but he you know, he
he did them, and he entertained people. You know, we
went from fifteen thousand people a game when Pearl Washington
came to Syracuse. It was early. It was in the
first second year of the Carrier Dome now the JMA Dome.
(07:20):
But we went to twenty five thousand people in one year,
and it was because of people wanted to watch this
guy play. And you know, it was some people are
like that there's there's great players, and then there's great
players that everybody want to watch play. You know, that's
there's a there is a difference. There's a difference, no
(07:41):
question about it.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
All Right, we're talking to the former Syracuse head coach
Jim Bayham. A couple of things, court storming. What would
be your solution on how to police or prevent.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, you bought one hundred and two hundred police officers there,
you could do it. But you know, I mean, I'm
very sympathic. I hope Kyle. I love Kyle Philipowski. I
hope he's all right. I really do. But in all
the years of all the court stormings I've seen, and
you know, I'm kind of old, so it's probably a
(08:13):
couple of hundred, right, I've never seen anybody get hurt.
I mean that's the first thing everybody's talked about since
this happened. Players, safety, players, this And I've never seen
anybody get hurt. Now that doesn't mean they couldn't get hurt,
but it's you know, it's it's you could stop it.
(08:35):
I mean you'd have to just ring the whole building
with police officers with sticks and stuff, and you know
you could stop it. Yeah, I mean you can. But
I've never seen anybody get hurt. This the one that
was a fast court. Those people you know, you know
(08:55):
those people that were storming the court there, you know
at wake they were fast. I mean they must have
had all the athletes running out there literally kind of
a lower one.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Weake was favored by two. You can't storm the court
when you're favored.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Well, when you haven't beaten Dukin twenty five years and
you went he I mean come out, yeah you do.
There is an occasion that you can storm to the court.
And it was a huge win for wait is you
know Joe Lenardi, as we all know, pick three acc
teams go over the tournament just a month ago and
couldn't have been more wrong. We're going to have six
(09:34):
in there, maybe more, but at least that because you
can't go you know, by numbers. The net is the
worst thing ever foisted upon us by the NCAA. Have
a lot of bad things because you can play ten
bad teams, beat them by a lot, and your net's
going to be good because you cap the point spread,
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but you can't cap the efficiency of your offense and defense.
And when you're playing bad teams and you win by forty,
you're going to be very efficient on both ends. So
your net's going to be great. So you just need
to discount the net a little bit and try to
find the best teams. And I'm not saying they're acc
(10:17):
teams will have some of them, but you have to
look for the best teams, not teams that have the
best NET, because you can get a net by playing
nobody and winning big. And we need to understand I
think the NCAA committee understands that. I think that's been
talked about a lot, and we have to get back
(10:38):
to finding the best teams and the end result when
you get to the end of selection Sunday, you want
to have the best teams in the tournament, and you
have to watch teams play and see their improvement, more
so now than ever. I believe in the whole seasons important,
(11:01):
but with the transfer portal, so many new teams that
you have to watch teams at the middle and end
of the year to see how they've developed from beginning
to end. And when you have so many transfers, you're
not going to be as good in the beginning and
you might be really good at the end. So even
(11:22):
though you take the whole season any consideration, you have
to put some little emphasis on the last fifteen or
twenty games.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Let's speak of the tournament. The new president of the NCAA,
I guess, is floating the idea of expanding the tournament
to ninety six schools.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Listen, I've talked about this for forty years. It doesn't
hurt a thing to expand the tournament. If anything, in
the first rounds you get the bad teams out, you'll
end up with a better sixty eight or sixty four.
If you do it that way, get more fan bases involved,
(12:02):
we get more players in the tournament, and you don't
hurt the tournament at all. And you can do it.
I don't know if you get in ninety six, but
we have a play in days right now. Just have
three players at three at the four sites where the
tournament's going to be. So if you win, you're playing,
(12:24):
you're right there. It's your site. Now, you don't have
to go.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
With the NC double line. What happened to you?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Oh it's hard, it's hard, trust me. And it's only once. O. Hey,
everybody's right once a day. Every clock's right twice a day.
A broken clock, right. But no, they this is we
should expand I know all these peerists say, oh, we
don't you know, well, what if we were still where
we started at twelve. John Wooden was a great coach.
(12:54):
We were at sixteen. He didn't want to expand. Best
coach ever history, right, No, we don't need to expand. Well,
then we went to thirty two, forty eight, sixty's the
tournament is good, hour better, it's better. So you add
a few teams. So what it's over, you can get
it over in a couple of days. Be down to
(13:16):
sixty four teams, go forward. Yeah, it's no big deal.
The same in football. You know they should have expanded
the football right away. It should have been where whoever
it is?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Twelve six yea before I let you go? Did you
ever cross pats with Pete Merrivitch? I know his names
come up now because of Caitlin Clark and yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I you know I saw him play in person once
and it was in the NIT in New York and
in those days, you know you hadn't seen him. You
know he was at LSU. He had seen him. The
first play he caught the ball in the rebound, took
one dribble and through it behind the back length of
the court, passed to a guy who caught it and
(14:00):
laid it in and I'm guy to go like who
that was good? The guy was Sintlen Clark. You know
what was it forty years ago? Fifty fabulous, unbelievable offensive machine.
He could do things with a basketball that really no
(14:22):
even Steph Curry can't do just dribble things, passing things.
I mean, the guy was in a good conference and
was defended with boxing ones all the time and averaged
forty points a game. Now you know who can do that?
How many people can do that? That many?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And not the three point shot either. If you factor
that in, he's he probably would have ended his career.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
You know, yeah, he would have had fifty every fifty
games every time. But thanks for the nice tribute to me.
And it's good to bring you down, bring people, you know,
when other people are looking you up. It's good that
you know somebody's there like you and Gena just to
you know, I'm a member of the your group. Now
(15:11):
you got to be nice.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And yet no, no, no no. And by the way,
you know what, we made fun of coach K, so
if we can make fun of coach K, we can
make fun of you.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Absolutely, he's the best. I mean, I'm not even in
the same kid. I'm not the same same one. One
time a guy in Syracuse try to compare me to
Coach Wooden, and I said, well, yeah, I mean we're similar.
He's on the penthouse and I'm in the basement. It's
about the that's about close we are. You know. I
think I've worked my way up from about the fifth floor.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, you're in the kitchen. You're in the kitchen. Maybe, yes,
everything happens in the kitchen. Yeah, you're not going to
get to.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
The It's come a long way since I met you
with Kevin Kostner and you were just a guy. You
were what you were just there was a newser support.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
So I was at CNN. I was at CNN in Atlanta, and.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Uh, in the room, don't even know who you were.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
They did not, they did not. Yeah, there was there
was a girl who was interested in me and Costner.
And Costner went over and and.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
He said it.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
He started talking to her and then he sees me
and he goes, I get out of here. I'm gonna
take one for you. I go, all right, So Kevin
Costner took one for me as he shattered up this woman.
But all right, my best to your wife is always.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Five years old.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
All right, that's okay, that's okay, it's okay. Uh stay
in touch and UH congratulations on your day.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
When you need to get a boost in your ring,
and just call me, I'll be happy to come.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
A right, thank you. Let's all say goodbye to uh
coach behinding bye coach k or coach behunt coach beyh.
Yeah we really showed him, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Take that.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah, you want to feel good about yourself, come on
here for a couple minutes.
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Speaker 2 (18:06):
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Speaker 3 (18:22):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Say goodbye to Peter King.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Hey, I look forward to a life of irrelevance.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, hey, welcome to my world. All righty, A couple
of things here. By the way, you have a wake
Forest jacket on. Are you? Are you pro court storming?
Is that why you're wearing this?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (18:46):
I detest court storming. Okay, it's idiotic. It shouldn't happen.
And I've thought that even before this guy got hurt
from Duke. It's it's bad, it's dangerous, it's it's just
a dumb idea, and they got to do something about it.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, that's what we're trying to figure out what is
it that they can do that's going to prevent this.
Whereas when you have professional sports, we encourage the security
guy to knock the guy to the ground when he
runs onto the baseball field or football field. Here, you're
kind of saying, yeah, go on down there and have
a little bit of fun, but the game. They're not
(19:23):
interrupting the game. This is after the game. And my
solution is just ensure that you have police presence and
you get the opposing team off the court, like that's
what their job is. Make sure you corral them, get
everybody to the locker room, and then if the students
want to come on the floor, fine, but get the
opposing team off the floor safely.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
From here on out. What I would do if I
were a coach, I would simply say that, you know,
especially if my program is a big program like Duke,
I would simply say, at each game, I have I
want eight security the officers there after the game, and
I want them to create a little funnel after the game,
(20:08):
and that funnel leads to the tunnel that lets people
go out of a place peacefully. Because quite honestly, I
don't trust schools even if they ban court storming, I
don't trust them to, you know, to make the court
storm proof. But anyway, what do I know? I just
saw this and I just said, who allows this idiotic
(20:30):
stuff to happen? Where is the NCAA. But I've said
that about the NCAAA for the last three or four years.
It is an idiotic, useless organization.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
You sound like a retired guy.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
I'm yelling at the clouds. I'm cleansing inferno. How in
the world can the head coach at UCLA go to
become the offensive coordinator at a school in the same conference.
What is wrong with this picture? I'll tell you what's
wrong with this picture. You know, the PAC twelve should
(21:07):
be the PAC twelve. The idiots who put the PAC
twelve in the Big ten are idiots. They just are
Do you realize that the minor sports, and I hate
to call in the minor sports, the non revenue sports.
How would you like to be on the pick A team,
the UCLA men's soccer team and have a road trip
(21:30):
to state College Pennsylvania or you name it, you name it,
and you play one game and then you get back
on a plane and you fly back to Los Angeles.
I know some of them are going to do two
games and all that stuff, but even two games, you're
flying three thousand miles to play two soccer games or
two softball games or maybe even one and then you
go back home. Hey, bunch of idiots, it's just money.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's just greed, Pete. That's all this is.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Really.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Look at Big East Basketball, the best conference ever, and
what happened. Football ruined football. Greed ruined the best basketball
conference in America. Yeah, that's all it is. That's the
bottom line. Speaking of the NCAA, I have an idea. Yeah,
looking at these running backs, they're all available. You know,
(22:16):
they're going to get franchise tag. Anybody get in a
contract here. What if we said that we're going to
give exemptions to running backs after their sophomore year, that
they could leave college if they wanted to to go
to the NFL.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
Well, then I'm sure what you would do is you
would get maybe not a union, but some sort of
organized effort for the left tackles to say, well, why
do we have to say three years? Well, you know,
I understand why you're saying that, Dan, because there's only
so much tread on a tire for running back. But
(22:56):
and again I don't mean the sound callous, but running backs, unfortunately,
in the way the game is today, are simply not
as important as they were twenty years ago. You know,
twenty years ago a running back had just as much
of a chance before the season of winning the MVP.
(23:18):
Look at the years that Adrian Peterson and Ladanian, Tomlinson
and Sean Alexander had, you know. So it's just the
way the game goes. And of course, you know, you
feel sorry for Saquon Barkley that he makes one quarter
of what Daniel Jones makes. It's stupid. Unfortunately, that's just
(23:39):
the economics of the game.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
What was your first year cover in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I covered the.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Bengals for the Cincinnati Inquirer in nineteen eighty four, and
I actually picked up rookie quarterback Boomerisias at the airport
the day he got drafted. And he actually he had
a teammate named Pete Koch who was also drafted, who
was a defensive end six five, two ninety and so
(24:10):
I had a two door Volkswagen Rabbit and I brought
I went to say, hey, I'm picking you up, and
they looked around saying, immediate guy is picking us up
from the airport. I conveniently hid them from the guy
in the limo that was sent to pick them up
from the Bengals. And so we went to the parking lot.
(24:31):
We get in the car and boomersiasin, who was already
pissed off about being picked in the middle of the
second round. He looks at the car, realized he's gonna
have to squeeze into the back seat, and he goes,
welcome to the fn NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
And he's had a chip on his shoulder ever since then,
Yes see, and he still does.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Okay, So all the years you covered the NFL, if
I said you can have the answer to one story,
one question, what's the one question or one story that
you want an answer to that you didn't get.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
I would really want to know why Bill Belichick felt
the need to videotape sidelines when he already was the
most brilliant defensive coach maybe of all time. That will
always confuse me. It's like when Robert Kraft asked him,
(25:32):
and this was in this documentary, he said it many
times when I asked him how much at an advantage
he it gave him. Belichick said one percent, and Kraft
said to him, well, you're a schmunk. I mean, it's
just I realize you try to get every edge, but
when the league tells you the previous year you can't
do this because they know you've been doing it, and
(25:53):
then you do it again the first year at your
arch Rivals where Eric Maningeni is coaching the team. I mean,
Bill Belichick is a lot smarter than I ever will
be about many things in life. He wasn't very smart
that year.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, trying to figure out though Bill's next move. Is
there a chance in your mind that he has coached
his final NFL game?
Speaker 7 (26:16):
I guess there is, because how in the world could
there be seven openings other than New England and he
gets one formal interview. Now you probably got a couple
of phone calls, Hey, what do you think is it
worthwhile for us to talk whatever? But I mean, I
keep wondering. You're Josh Harris. You just paid six billion
dollars for this football team. Explain to me why you
(26:42):
wouldn't sit in a room with Bill Belichick for a
day or for six hours. Yeh, at the very least
to simply download his brain. I will never understand why
Washington did not interview Bill.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Belichick talking to Peter King, the recently retired Peter Kane,
the Chicago Bears. Not a report, but you kind of
sent something out there that caught my attention. Where you go,
I could see the Bears, the wind is blowing that
it looks like they'll trade that number one pick. These
are scenarios that could happen. How much research is in there, Pete, nothing, nothing, Absolutely, Yeah,
(27:23):
you didn't speak to anybody.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
I spoke to nobody. I haven't talked to anybody like
Dan a year ago at this time. I just read,
I read What's out there. A year ago at this time,
I sat in a room for forty five minutes with
Ryan Poles right at the scouting combine at the Hyatt
in Indianapolis. His next appointment was Scott Fitterer, the general
(27:49):
manager of the Carolina Panthers. And that's what this is
what Ryan Poles is going to do this week. And
I just believe, I just believe. If I am Ryan Pohles,
you know what I have on my team. I have
a B quarterback with about ten significant holes. I probably
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in the next two drafts could take the first pick
in this draft and turn it into along with my
other picks, a total of maybe eight picks in the
top two rounds in the next two drafts. I could
do that. Why wouldn't you do that? Why wouldn't you
build a great team around a b quarterback instead of
(28:37):
drafting a quarterback who might be an a quarterback? But
it's the hardest thing to project in all of sports.
What quarterback when you when you that you draft is
going to be great? Look at the misses over the years.
So in my opinion, if your locker room loves Justin fields,
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if you know that you can surround Justin fields with
a supporting cast the way Brett Veach and Andy Reid
have surrounded Patrick Mahomes with a supporting cast. To me,
it's not a very difficult decision. But I don't know
what they're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
I put that in basically because you just keep hearing
things about this, and I just believe that the smartest
thing for them is to trade the pick.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Now that you're retired, what are you going to do
Sunday night, after all the games go.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
To sleep happily And I probably won't make it to
the end of the Sunday night game, which will be
a happy moment for me because one of the reasons
I wanted to retire before the Scouting Combine is that
I used to love going to the scouting combine five six,
eight years ago. You're up to one thirty every night,
but you're also spending forty five minutes with Sean McVay
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or with whoever you know, with all these well, not
Sean McVeagh anymore, he doesn't go to the Scouting Combine,
but all these coaches you see out, Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (30:09):
You just sit with him and you talk to him
about whatever, and that is great. But I've gotten to
the point of my life I knew one of the
reasons it's time to go is that I have no
desire to stay up till one thirty in the morning
anymore to do anything. Sorry, that's just the way it
goes when you're sixty six. So that's one of the
(30:31):
reasons that I knew was time to go.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
All right, before I let you go, can you help
me with this campaign crusade to get Brent Musburger into
the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Well, Dan, I saw that a few weeks ago. I'd
be happy. And I believe absolutely unequivocally, the Hall of
Fame voters have nothing to do with the people that
are selected for the Ruin Ourldge Ward, which you know,
the TV Award.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
The Pete Roselle Award.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
The Pete rosell Award.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I'm sorry, Pete, yeah, but you know those people. So
I and I have.
Speaker 7 (31:09):
Said on many occasions, this guy should be in, that
guy should be in. Dan, I'm not involved in any
way other than to say, man, you ought to look
at Musburger, you ought to look at this guy.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, but you don't have a job now, Pete, I'm
giving you a job.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
Dan, with all due respect, and I love Brett Musburger.
There are a lot of things in my life that
I could get out of crusade about. That's not the
one that is number one on my list. However, However,
I absolutely categorically think that Brett Musburger, who is on
the Mount rushmore of you know, the TV influencers in
(31:50):
the history of the NFL, it's insane. He's not he
doesn't have that award.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
No, congrats on the decision, and all right, Dan.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
Hey, thank you, good good to be with you always
and listen, I'm going to be scratching and clawing to
get on your show what I'm feeling, particularly next October.
So just make sure that Todd Fritz has an excuse
built in. Peter, we're booked for the next eight months.
(32:19):
We got nothing. Yeah, oh okay, all right, Hey, take
care guys.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Thank you, Peter, all right, see you later. That's Peter King,
Football Night in America also Football Morning and America columnist.
And did it for a long long time. That'll take
years off of you.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
He did it too well, like he set a standard
and then you have to live up to that standard
when you do a long form column. And all the
stuff that he would put in there, now it was
must reading every Monday that you would get that. And
there was always something that you could take out of there.
(33:00):
There was a quote in there, there was a story
in there, there was you know, a rumor in there.
There was just there was always something. And I'll go
back to the Boston Globe when you had Peter Gammons
and you had will Will McDonough covered the NFL. Who
was it Peter may covered the NBA maybe for them,
(33:22):
but the Sunday Boston Globe was must reading because there
were every Peter Gammons had his baseball page, there was
a football page, a basketball page, and it was as
good a sports department as anybody has ever assembled. And
I just I, you know, I was fortunate to grow
(33:43):
up with that. I would go out and get the
Boston Globe when I was in New York, even when
I was in Ohio, I wanted to read the Boston
Globe because it had so much information in there. And
those kind of columnists, well, newspapers they're dying.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
What we ask of a columnist is different now, but
Peter old school and twenty seven years of doing that. Yeah, Peter, Paul.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
A long time ago, back when we were at ESPN,
you had a day off and we Fritzy and I
and you as well, were discussing phil and hosts, and
we decided to ask Peter King and he got back
to us. He goes, I'd love to. I've never hosted
a radio show in my life before.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I'd love to.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
And we did it at the ESPN Zone in New
York City. And Peter is prepped him. He knows football
at the back of his hand. He walked in he
did three hours in your spot and we had guests,
we had everything ready for him. He got done, he
looked like he just left a sauna.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
He goes.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
I'm never doing that again. Mark, what you didne have
a funny? Goes, I had a blast, He goes. That
was a lot different than what I was expected. And
he wrote about it in his Monday Morning Quarterback column. Yes,
and it was fascinating, he said, he goes, I had
no idea how to pace yourself in a three hour format,
and it was. It was great radio. But he was
He was like a wet sponge when he done.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
But that's why I wanted to have you guys here
later on in my career, that I could take a break.
You know, you guys might have something to say. And
then it allowed me. Plus I didn't want to just
hear my voice. But you know, these singular hosts, it's
tough to do that for three hours and it's live
and the energy that it takes, and I realized that.
(35:16):
I realized that a while ago, like, hey, you guys
can help me with a heavy lifting here. Plus it's
more content as well. But you know you have singular hosts,
and you know you rely on your callers or you know,
people who have writers on their staff to help you
with you know, certain segments there. But you know, Peete's
not the first to say that and won't be the
(35:37):
last to do that. When you're in there and you
go because everybody says the same thing, I could do that.
You just sit around for three hours, you just talk yeah,
and then after about seventeen minutes, they go, I don't
know what else I'm going to talk about?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yes. Well.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
The first time we had Mike Florio in studio is
a similar situation. He'd been a guest on many radio shows,
he'd never hosted. He to credit over prepared for the show.
He tried to write out the segments and it looked
like the movie Seven the notebooks. He had thousands of
words written down and he did a very good job.
But he even say he was I was over prepared.
I had too many notes. I should have just relaxed.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's one thing to be a guest, and now he's
cruising on his show. Yes he is, but it took
him a long time to understand it. There's a flow
to it, a cadence to it, and to make it
sound easy look easy that's part of the job of
being a sportscaster. That's why everybody wants to do it. It's
like I could do that. I'd like to do that.
I'd like to be on Sports Center. Yeah, okay, let
(36:38):
me know. Eleven o'clock. It's live, and all of a sudden,
you're like, wait a minute, where's the highlight prompters?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Down?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
All the fun things that go along in this business?
All right, and we'll take a break. We're back after
this Dan Patrick show.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
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Speaker 2 (37:04):
He's Joey Vono, free agent, six time All Star, won
an MVP, seventeen years in Major League Baseball, all with
the Reds, and here he sits all alone with us.
Speaker 8 (37:18):
Good morning, Joey, Good morning, so glad to be here.
Thanks for having me, Dan.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, how's morale?
Speaker 8 (37:26):
Well slow, it's as low as it gets, okay, and
at this right I don't see it getting any better.
But I'm on the show and I'm here to hawk
my wares. I'm hopeful that Dan Patrick push will get
me a job. So here I am.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Oh, so you might be an analyst? Your days playing
are over?
Speaker 8 (37:50):
Oh no, no, no, no, I'm here to Let's get
me a baseball job. Let's play some baseball. Okay, No, no,
not an analyst, No, okay, so funny, funny, funny, funny enough.
I've had ten times the analyst jobs over this offseason
than I have had any baseball offers.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
What's the best offer you've received so far from a team?
Speaker 8 (38:15):
No? Oh, just chatter, just just talk. No, no firm
offer yet.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
No.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Do you think the beard is helping or hurting you
with the teams that might be interested in you?
Speaker 8 (38:29):
It's I don't know if it's I don't know if
it's making a difference. I can tell you it's a
reflection of my emotional state, you know, the I feel.
You know, last night I was sitting on the couch
eating boxes of cookies, watching old Dan Patrick, you know,
by the way, Larry Bird's my favorite interview so far. Okay,
And I've got cookie crumbs on my stomach, cookie crumbs
(38:52):
on my beard, you know, and I was thinking, Wow,
things are going pretty good from you right now.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
So yeah, yeah, but I still look back when Travis
Kelcey was first taking a shot and with Taylor Swift,
and then you were kind of in the on deck
circle at least, you know, you wanted to maybe take
your shot. And now look at those two. What could
have been. You could be traveling the world with Taylor
Swift right now and teams would be offering you a job.
Speaker 8 (39:25):
Yeah, it would be. It would be a different a
different version of the simulation, as they say, the new
saying from the kids and now.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
But no, I.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
It's just not to be, Dan, It's just not to be.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
So I see that you have a guitar behind you.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
Yeah, yeah, my, that's actually so. I had everything from
my Cincinnati house shipped up. I'm in Toronto, Canada. I
had everything all my you know, little trinkets and then
you know, clothing, et cetera. And I had this guitar
down down in Cincinnati at the house. That was my
(40:06):
late father's guitar he used to play. And when I
was a boy, we went to a guitar store and
I remember vividly he didn't have any cash in his
wallet and I just happened to have a little bit
of cash on me and I paid for the guitar,
very very inexpensive guitar, but that was something we shared
together at that store and he played it all the time,
(40:27):
and then now I get to have it. So yeah,
it just brings back great memories of my father playing
Hotel California and singing it and wanting the family to
sing it, and then wanting to go on tour as
a family and only playing covers of Hotel California together
as a group. So it would have been either a
(40:50):
really really long show, you know, or a short show.
So yeah, it just brings back great memories.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Could you give me three hundred match this season?
Speaker 8 (41:01):
I'd love to give you, you know, I'd love to
give you seven hundred played appearances. I'm I'm, I'll take
one or seven hundred played appearances. My attitude is prepare
for the season, be available for anything that comes my way,
and then just work, you know, I I I'll give it.
I'll be sincere for a moment realizing you know that
(41:22):
that jobs aren't aren't flowing. You just miss you miss
the game. You you love. The love I feel is
coming to the forefront for the game, and I still
feel longing to compete, and I I think I'm still good,
you know, I really do. But yeah, it's just a
(41:43):
beautiful game. I missed the spring and the summer weather.
I missed the stadiums, I missed the time in the
battles box. You brought up three hundred at bats. You know,
every single one of those those are bats is memorable
and special, and when you don't have them in front
of you, you realize how that you miss them.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
How scary is retirement.
Speaker 8 (42:04):
Yeah, I think I think the reason why it's concerning
to me is because, like, look, I can't I refuse
to make any excuse about about my my recover my
childer injury and it's recovery. I refuse to. But I
do know it was a factor. And the idea of
(42:27):
being this you know, uh spirit wandering, you know, the
the middle Middle Earth without that sort of finality to
my career is intimidating to me. I feel like one
of you know, I feel like I'm in a bit
of it. There's a possibility that if I don't play again,
I'll be in a bit of a purgatory, not having
(42:47):
the opportunity to prove to myself it's over or no, no, no,
you can still do it. And at full strength. And
so that's the thing that stands most out, to stands
out the most of me. I get excited about the
idea of retirement, you know, traveling, doing some traveling, hopefully
starting a family one day, having having a consistent routine.
(43:10):
But I'm just not there yet mentally, and I've prepared
as much as I possibly could.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, it's it's sometimes retirement chooses you. You don't choose retirement.
And right right now you have teams, by their inactivity,
are really giving you the message that maybe you don't
want to, you know, consume, but it might be the
reality that you won't have an opportunity to play again.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (43:36):
To be fair, though the fragent market has has ground
to a halt. You know, last year Cy young Winner
still doesn't have a job. You know, there's plenty of
like likely nine figure pit players, certainly eight figure contract
players that don't have jobs yet. I yeah, I don't
(44:01):
know what to say. O. Then you may be absolutely correct,
but that's not a language I speak to myself. You know,
when when when I was coming up through the minor leagues,
excuse me, when I was coming up in high school,
I remember being at a side outside of a batting cage,
and I'm sixteen, seventeen years old and a boy says
(44:23):
to me, you know, what are you going to do
after high school? And I said, without hesitation, I'm gonna
I'm going to play professional baseball. And he laughed in
my face and he was like, are you talking about dude?
Gives me a break, and that hurt. And then I
remember being in the minor leagues and someone asked me,
(44:44):
you know, what do you how long do you want
to play in the major leagues for? And I said,
what do you mean? I'm going to win like multiple
most valuable players? You know, I just I just don't
operate in a way that I'm you know, I don't
think like.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
I'm ready.
Speaker 8 (45:05):
I don't feel like I had that quit language. And
I want someone to, you know, just finish me as
far as like just just just just I'm trying to
think of a h an appropriate you know for this
G this G show, but you know, just stop on
(45:27):
my skull and and finish me. And I'm going to
keep fighting all the way to the end sort of thing.
So what if the angel proverbiably red to rhetorically.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
What if the Angels reached out and said, we'll give
you the league minimum.
Speaker 8 (45:45):
I'd have to ask my agent if that's a fair
market deal. You know, I I don't know enough. I
don't know what the market looks like.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Well, how important is money as opposed to still being
able to put on a uniform?
Speaker 8 (45:59):
That sweet spot of how important is money?
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Money?
Speaker 8 (46:04):
Money does a couple of things for you, And I'm
not saying like in your bank account. I'm saying it
buys you additional abats because they've invested in you. It
buys you leverage.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
You know.
Speaker 8 (46:17):
I suppose just playing well solves that. But at no
point in time do you ever have a are you
ever in a position of power? So as far as
like money being a factor, I'm going to let my
agent dictat To be honest with you, I can only
speak so much about that. I've had two contracts from
the team that drafted me that basically were in the
flow of my crime, where you know, I really I
(46:41):
negotiated relatively hard, but I was never in a position
of weakness, And so I don't know. I guess I'm
speaking out a turn in terms of what what the money,
what the dollars mean? So forgive me if I'm if
I'm sounding like I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
And hear in your voice you're normally upbeat. We have fun.
Speaker 8 (47:04):
It's not you asked me retirement questions.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
You ask me, Yeah, but that's the reality of this. Yeah,
like the elephant is in the room and I have
to address that that there's a real possibility you don't
play again.
Speaker 8 (47:17):
Yeah, there is a real time.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
So these aren't fun questions. But it is my job
to ask the real questions. So that that's why I asked,
would you would you be a part of a managerial staff?
Speaker 8 (47:31):
I have no interest in that. I spent the last
you know, from November one, you know, we we met
after when I was in Iceland and I went onto
England and Spain. I had a lovely month trip. But
from November one until this very day, I mean, the
second I get done with this, I've got my my
training prep and then my physical therapy again with the
(47:55):
intent on getting to a perfect place physically. You know,
I don't, I don't. I'm not. I'm not training to
be a manager or training to be a front office
member or an announcer. You know, it's such the degree
of difficulty just gets significantly higher as you get older,
(48:16):
and as as the league gets to know your tendencies,
and as you get injured, and you know, all these
things culminate to a raiz or raisor thin sort of
margin for error. And I'm just in a place where
I want to prep give myself the best opportunity. And then,
(48:36):
you know, there was I was over at my buddy's house,
maybe over you know, with his wife and kids, and
he had a sign laying on the ground. He's probably
listening right now. He had a sign lane on the
ground that said love like You're going to love like
you You're never going to get your heartbroken sort of thing.
And that's the way I feel about this scenario. I'm
(48:57):
going to go all the way in and if it
gets taken from me, you know, I've had a freaking
great run, a great run, and I've checked every box,
achieved every goal. But I feel like my attitude towards
this is as healthy as it gets because I've got
a new challenge. So I'm I'm not doing for the money.
(49:19):
I'm not doing it for the fame. I'm not doing
it for the accolades or the stat padding I'm doing
it for the genuine love of competition, and if it
doesn't come my way, I'll accept that and move on.
And uh, you know, come on with you as an
analyst in some capacity to catch up on type you know,
sea through pants what have you. But you know, as
(49:41):
as it stands.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Right, that's what you're missing out on. You want to
wear the sea through pants. I know what's going on.
I'll get your hair. You can wear it around the
house if you want to. What happened to you in
your lasted.
Speaker 8 (49:53):
Bat Yeah, you know, it was just I think frustrated
with the day.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
But what was the result of the last what could
be your last time?
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (50:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I was ejected from the game.
We were in Saint Louis on a day game, right.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
You're laughing. I was.
Speaker 8 (50:14):
I was in Saint Louis on It was a it
was a day game. And by the way, Saint Louis
fans gave me a, you know, a lovely applause when
I walked up to bad I mean, what generosity. But
I remember vividly being in a foul, foul mood when
I walked up, ready to compete, and you know, I
(50:34):
struck out, went back to the dugout and I went
underneath and I slammed the bat. I was actually quite
disappointed that I was so upset that I slammed the
bad after the strikeout and went and went to the
doug outs now and iPad looked at that bat, saw
that it was not a strike during the middle of
(50:55):
the bat, which is typically when you don't get upset,
and I started hollering at the umpire. And he's a
great umpire with a steady demeanor, but you can't hauler
from the bench bullying or just you know, disrupting the game.
And he threw me out and I walked up. I
ran up to him and I wasn't even angry. I
ran up to him and I go that boles in.
(51:15):
You know that boles inside. This could be my last game.
I said those words, this could be the last game.
And he said, why'd you then? Why'd you get thrown out? Joey?
Why did you yell at me? You knew that this
was going to prompt an ejection? And I said, yeah,
you're right, I'm sorry, all right, have a good game,
take care, And I you know, you see on the
(51:37):
video I touch him on his on his side or
on his arm, and I said, you're absolutely right. All right,
take care you.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
Know that was it?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
All right, stay in touch, good luck. If I can
help you in any way, let me know.
Speaker 8 (51:52):
Okay, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Dan hig Bud, It's Joey Vado. Anybody want classy guy,
good locker room guy, and not afraid to get thrown
out of a game as well. He's ready. So I
got an MVP two ninety four career average, three hundred
and fifty six home runs, twenty one hundred hits, the
MVP as well six All Star appearances.
Speaker 5 (52:17):
Yeah, Paul worked in a nice little compliment to the
Cardinals fans at the end.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah he did smart move. Yeah, they would love him.
He's one of those guys. If he's on your roster,
he's going to help your roster. He will
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