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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Obviously, you guys know Ross Tucker in for Dan, the
former NFL offensive lineman, a long time ago journeyman.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Pretty cool temp job in my twenties. Instead, I had
an awesome night.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So like a lot of people listening or watching, you know,
I've got a wife and young kids.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I gotta be honest with you, guys. It was kind
of nice.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
After the show yesterday, I went home, I took an
awesome nap, I got up from the nap, I had
an incredible workout, and then I had an apple pecan
salad lovely, and I had some of the chocolate covered
pretzels that were gifted to me by Fritz yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
And then I watched.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
A straight hour of College Baseball World Series at Tennessee,
tex A, and m just in my hotel room, bed
in my underwear, nobody to bother me, didn't have to
worry about it, and then the hockey came on.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Now, I will say this about the hockey. I don't
think the game went until like eight twenty five.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I think they got a good twenty five minutes there
of pregame. But it was good Alana's Moris set. We
gotta get into that. By the way, I only ever
bought two CDs in my whole life, and one of
them was Jagged Little Pill by Alana's Morris Set. But
I think it's rare, first of all, for an adult,
like most of the people that are listening to us
on all the Fox Sports radio affiliates or people.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Watching us on Peacock.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's kind of rare, isn't it for an adult, you know,
mid forties, to just have an entire night like that
by yourself, to do whatever you want, whenever you want
to watch it, and to have two game clinching situations,
two titles on the line, and by the way, they
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both end up being good games. I mean, look, I
feel like in those situations a lot of times one
or both games could have been a blowout.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Instead the agg he's from.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Texas, A and M They rally to come back and
they almost win it.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
They lose six ' five against Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Who has this awesome relief pitcher who I guarantee I
want to see in concert as a country singer in
like eight years.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I think his name's kirby'connell.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
No chance, he's not opening for Luke Colmbs in four years.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
There's no If.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
He's not playing professional baseball, that guy is going to
be a country singer talking about when I won the balls,
the first national championship and all the ladies I got
as a result. By the way, he's from Johnson City,
which I think what I think in the one Morgan
Wallens song, I think he talks about no Jefferson City.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Maybe I don't know, they're all the same.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Johnson City's referenced in a wagon wheel by Darius Rucker,
and it's many other people have done wagons.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, yeah, so and then and then the huh the
hockey was just awesome. The hockey was you know, I'll
give the worldwide leader a tip of the cap. First
of all, Steve Levy, Messier and PK Suban, they're fantastic.
And then that feature they had on the guy that
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keeps all of his white gloves. He's never actually touched
the cup. PAULI just whispered his name to me. How
do you know the guy's name?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Phil Pritchard, the keeper of the Cup. He's been in
studio before. He's had the same haircut since like eighth grade.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It's unbelievable. His haircut is unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
He's a great guy. He's been in studio. He handles
the cup. He travels around the country. He takes the
place as he's responsible for it. He has multiple pairs
of white gloves.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Well, he has thousands of white gloves.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
He wears a new pair every time, I think, and
he saves all of them. I feel like that would
be pretty valuable memorabilia to have the white gloves from
when your team got the cup that night and then
in the game. You know, if you were not sure
whether or not you were gonna you were up for this,
(04:07):
Like if you were not sure whether you're gonna watch
the entire Stanley Cup Final Game seven. They scored two
goals in the first seven minutes. I mean the Panthers
score like five minutes in, and then two minutes later
the Oilers scored, and it was like, oh, it is
on now, there's only one more goal the whole rest
of the game. However, the entire game, we were one
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shot away from the outcome changing it like three to one,
you can like get up to go to the bathroom.
Three to one, you can go get water. When it's
two to one, You're like, wait a minute, No, no, Like,
I'm not missing this. I've been watching this for an
hour and a half. I Am not gonna go refill
my water right now. I'll wait till the next commercial break,
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or I'll wait till the intermission. I'm not Like, if
there's a goal that ties it at two to two,
or there's a goal that breaks the one one time,
I'm not missing that seaton.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
That's what I kind of love about scores like that.
Like in hockey, if you're down by two goals, the
game is over. You score one more and you're right
back in it, you know what I mean, all right,
we're back now. We could do this, you know. But
if you're down by two, well it's over. We can't
do anything about this. Well, wait one more, now we're
in it. You know, just the whole mindset changes.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Paul I wish I knew more about the nuance of hockey,
like what their strategy was against the Oilers, the Panther strategy,
because it felt like they were in some type of
defense where they just clogged up the goal the entire time.
I know that standard procedure and everything like that, but
every time McDavid or anyone from the Oilers got a
play towards the goal. It's like a stick would fly
up and they catch one. They never got a clean look.
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It felt like they never the Oilers never got a
clean look at the goal.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
See now, I thought, from my.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Very juvenile vantage point, I thought the Panthers were the
better team for the first two periods. Maybe for period
in like three quarters it was very I mean they
were holding on in that last period. There were a
bunch of chances, and I know we'll get into Connor
McDavid winning the cons My Trophy, and that's actually what
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(06:36):
David winning the cons My Trophy a little bit later
on the show, and there's a lot to get to there.
I will just say this, if you go back and
watch some of the highlights they showed he had I
don't know, three or four passes in the third period,
second third period that could have been goals. In fact,
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if you watch right before the go ahead goal by
Reinhardt from the Panthers, the Oilers had a better chance
to score. The puck was like slowly going past the
crease and there was no guy there to be able
to tap it in for the Oilers. So I know
there's a lot of talk about McDavid not scoring last night,
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a lot of talk about the cons my stuff, and
we'll get into that, but I think he played a
little bit better than people realize. That's the thing too,
that's so tough about hockey. I feel like in basketball,
you can like clear out and give the ball to
Michael Jordan or give the ball to Lebron and it's like, Okay,
they're either going to score or you have to clearly
(07:41):
go double team them and then maybe they can pass
it to the open man and John Paxon or Steve Kerr,
or I'll throw a little Craig Hodges in there, we'll
make the open jumper.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Hockey doesn't really work that.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Way because the line changes. The line changes like mcdamid.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So you can't just like they. I know in the
NBA you can play now and so that's a little
bit different. But in hockey it's not like And also,
you have to get the ball past. You have to
get the ball, you have to get the puck past
the blue line. It's not like they can just like
throw the ball to Connor McDavid and then run a
clear out and he can ice that one. By the way,
if they could do that, he would score about a
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zillion goals because he's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But you can't.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I feel like one guy as good as McDavid is,
I feel like one guy can't totally take over like
they theoretically could in the NBA, Like where Steph Curry's
just making thirty foot threes.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's like, Okay, what are you gonna do at this point?
Is that fair? Yeah? How do you have a hockey
guy take over?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
You can't just give him the puck and say everybody
else rest resort to clear out for McDavid.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah, I'm sure this plays. They get it some, but
I think it's more so the shift changes. What does
he spend twenty two minutes on ice in the entire game,
you know, like he's got a.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
You can't and they had him on a lot at
the end and he was totally gassed.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
There is maybe a minute twenty left and the announcers
even saying like they can't do a shift change right now.
Everyone's just trying to get up the ice.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The lactic acid that had built in for those guys.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
But you know what's my one of my favorite things
the timing of pulling the goalie. Maybe it is maybe
a minute ten minute twenty left and the goaltender sitting
there and he's kind of inching out, but he can't
leave too early. They got to make sure the puck
is clear, and he just fails to the to the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
It's just I think it's I wonder if there's any
type of research or data as to when you pull
the goalie, Like why do they always do it like
a little over a minute.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I mean, are you more risky and you pull them
like with two minutes.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
If you're down two goals, you'll pull them even earlier.
I saw that. I think the Panthers did a couple
of games ago.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
But do you think that's just like a coach's intuition?
And gut reaction. You think they have data that says
this is the optimal time to pull your goalie seating.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
They have to have some kind of data just because
just as much like I don't know the risk reward
of that right, you have to have that kind of
data where all the team on the other team has
to do is win the puck back and fire it
down the ice. And there's probably I.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Thought we were getting chance. I thought we were gonna
get empty that goal because yeah, a couple they tried
a couple of times, that one that was slowly making
its way down. You're like, dang, that's gonna go in.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Yeah, I mean I would imagine that they have that
down to an exact science or wells as close as
you can.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You know, a lot of stuff to get into today,
by the way, which will be awesome. We're gonna have
Bill Lindsay, who is the Florida Panthers radio analyst. He's
gonna be first up, as are on our guest list
today from Fritzy, longtime Florida Panther. You know what I
love about Bill Lindsay, Like I was reading the bio
(10:45):
on him. Not only did he play in the NHLF
for like fifteen years, but when he was done, he
didn played two more years in Germany. Hockey guys, can
you imagine a guy playing twelve years in the NFL
and then like for the last two years, like you know,
I'm gonna I'm gonna go play in the CFL.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Like Yarmi yakar.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
That would never happen. Like hockey guys, I mean, how
much money.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I'm gonna ask Bill how much money he made in
the German league his last years, or if he just
wanted to be over there for Octoberfest, or what the
deal was. We're gonna get into the Connor McDavid winning
the con smythe because there's so many interesting things there
about a losing team player.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Winning the MVP.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But it's also it's not just for the Stanley Cup finals,
for the whole playoffs, so we'll get into that. The
calend of Panthers. While we're talking Panthers look like they're
getting a new stadium or a least stadium renovations, public money.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Until he's a hot topic.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
The Lakers introed JJ Reddick yesterday and he was dropping
f bombs.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
He does not care.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
He is very clear that he does not care what
people say about him, So then let's talk about him.
If he doesn't care about what people say about him,
of course we'll get the play of the day stat
of the day. What we learned a lot to get to.
I did get a text last night from a number
that was not in my phone and it just said Elation.
(12:11):
And I was just I got text message right when
the game ended. It said Elation and I was just
about to immediately hit the delete and report as junk
because I'm like, what is this? And then a couple
seconds later, this is Mattie Rose from Calgary great talking.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Yes, you know, I thought all night it was it
was Mattie Rose, the radio host from Calgary, or as
Polly likes to say, Calgary that joined us on yesterday's show.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I am fascinated by this element. I didn't care that much,
but I wanted Edmonton to win. I wanted it for
those people. And yet here's another guy from Alberta. You
would think that they want to bring the cup. Nope, Elation,
that Florida one.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
See.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
I love that Kachuck in the post game was like
he's like, you know, just lift the Stanley.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Cuppy he's like, oh my god, we did it.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
We won, And he says in his interview, he's just like,
and you know, shout out to all my Calgary fans.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
You know I couldn't let Edmonton win.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Oh he said that.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, in the like he just won.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Stanley CuPy just did it, and he was like, yeah,
shout out to Calgary. You know I wouldn't let them win.
I was like, God, this rivalry is great. I mean,
I don't he played there. I think for a bit,
Dan he like forced his way, like I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I don't follow hockey, you know, fact check me on this,
But like, didn't he make it clear he didn't want
to play there anymore?
Speaker 7 (13:32):
I think probably.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
However, in that moment, he was like, shout out to
my day ones. You guys have been with me and
you knew I wasn't gonna let them win.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah, Kachuck was that. I started his career there. I
played six years there.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I love that Calgary shout out as well to those
of you that give us a buzz eight seven seven
to three DP show that check out our YouTube channel.
You can always go to Dan Patrick dot com. You
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Love the interaction with you guys. By the way, it
(14:04):
sometimes it's just easier to just read one of your
tweets to me than it is to take a call.
We just have the time for it to hit me
up at Ross Tucker NFL. Of course we're live on
Peacock Fox Sports Radio a million affiliates. I do know
there's a bunch of people that get a chance to
listen to the full show later on via podcast, which
(14:25):
is awesome. As you guys know, I've got one of
those as well. Ross Tucker Football Podcast. I can guarantee
you I will not say one word about the Stanley
Cup Final or JJ Reddick or College World Series on that.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
That is a.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Football only show. Really looking forward to talking with Bill Lindsay,
the Florida Panthers radio analyst. There's just so much stuff
to get to from last night. The NBA Draft is
tomorrow night. I have not heard one person say one
thing about the NBA Draft being tomorrow night other than
(15:00):
and it's like the line from Major League, Who the
bleep are these guys? You know, that's basically what people
are saying about tomorrow night's NBA Draft. We'll probably talk
more about that tomorrow, but we can at least dive
into it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
It's gonna be a.
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Speaker 7 (16:16):
Welcome back everybody to the Dan Patrick Show. My name's
Ryan Leaf.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
I am filling in for Dan here at the end
of the week, everybody takes off for a little vacation.
Love filling guest the Gottlieb with Coveno and Rich next
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Nettes return after the fourth of July weekend Big NBA,
of course, a few nights. Round one, last night, Round
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to go to be an LA Laker or will somebody
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leverage with that lebron James talk. We'll wait and find out.
This is a pretty cool deal for me. I don't
know if I've told this story on here or not,
but Matt Hasselback, of course, great NFL quarterback, played for
the Seattle Seahawks, NFC champion, played in the Super Bowl
(17:05):
against my Pittsburgh Steelers back in the day, and also
one of my teammates. But before any of that, we
came out from the same draft class in nineteen ninety
eight and Matt, who will tell you you know, didn't
have the most stellar final year at Boston College, got
an invite to the Combine, and you know, he was like,
all right, I'm going to the Combine, I guess. And
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then after I played in the Rose Bowl and I
had declared for the NFL Draft, they wanted me, of
course at the Combine, which meant someone who had been
invited had to be disallowed, and that person, unfortunately, would end.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
Up being Matt Hasselbeck. And I did not know this.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
Matt told me the story years later, and it turned
out alright because he had a workout date at Best
in college Andy Reid showed up. They ended up drafting
him to the Green Bay Packers. He played behind Brett
Fire for three years and then went on to become
one of the greatest quarter NFL history for the Seattle Seahawks.
So joining us now, good friend of mine, mister Matt Hasselback,
(18:06):
Welcome to the show, Mattie.
Speaker 10 (18:09):
You'll finally forgiven Ryan, Finally I actually wore this for you.
Speaker 11 (18:12):
This is the uh.
Speaker 10 (18:14):
This is like the little pullover the NFL gave us
this year at the Combine. I got invited to the
Combine this year to mentor the young quarterbacks and half
the wide receiver group.
Speaker 11 (18:22):
And uh, I finally, after all these years.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
To go to Colline.
Speaker 11 (18:26):
I got a real invite, not a non invite. It's
like getting asked to the like getting asked to the prom,
and then like you get all ready for it.
Speaker 10 (18:34):
Like literally, I trained because my season ended at Boston College.
Speaker 11 (18:38):
We weren't in a bowl game.
Speaker 10 (18:39):
So literally from like Thanksgiving time until the combine, like
I was training for the combine.
Speaker 11 (18:45):
Just then all of a sudden, I never got.
Speaker 10 (18:47):
A plane ticket. Andrew Brandt was my agent at the time.
He's like, why don't you call this number and find
out I called the guy? And he's like, yeah, it's
very rare, but sometimes we bump people if juniors come
out early. I'm liket, but only one quarterback came out early.
He's like, congratulations, now you know who bumped you. So
you were like the guy. I think I didn't do this,
(19:07):
like literally, but like in my brain, I think if
I had a dartboard and a face on it, it
was like, you're the guy I'm coming after, man, Like
you were the guy.
Speaker 11 (19:18):
You were you were my chip.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
On the shoulder motivation, So I really I really appreciate it.
Speaker 11 (19:23):
Man.
Speaker 10 (19:24):
It's kind of like the kid that got drafted to
the Bulls last night. He was like, I want to
thank everyone that ever doubted me. I want to thank
everyone who ever doubted me. Like I was like, I
kind of like at the end of my whatever run
in the NFL, I was like, you just want to
thank Ryan Leaf bumping.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
From bumping coin. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (19:40):
The motivation that I had no idea was abound, and
I didn't do anything of the combine, by the way,
except wait.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
That's what made it worse. That's what made it worse.
All you did was just show up like now I'm
not gonna lift. Now, I'm not going to run. Oh,
by the way, I'm going to weigh in at two
sixty one. I was so pissed at you. I was
so pissed.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
Well, I was like, you should have been you should
have been you should.
Speaker 11 (20:01):
Have been Peyton Manning and Peyton Manning, the both of you.
You both show up.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Like nah, not doing anything.
Speaker 12 (20:07):
I'm over.
Speaker 10 (20:08):
I'm like a kid in the back of the class,
raised in my hand like, oh pick me, pick me.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I know, I know, well, it worked out.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
It worked out for you, buddy.
Speaker 10 (20:15):
I always tell people, I'm like, oh, yeah, the draft
of ninety eight, Yeah, it's uh, Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf
and me picks one to two and seven.
Speaker 11 (20:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's us.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
And our boy Charlie Batch somewhere in between there.
Speaker 10 (20:26):
Brother Batch early round pick in the third round to
the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Brian Brian Greasy to Denver Greasy.
Speaker 11 (20:34):
Yeah. Yeah, those guys are on the dart board too.
I'm sure you know we're there's somewhere.
Speaker 13 (20:39):
Well.
Speaker 9 (20:39):
You did a hell of a job, man, it was
fun watching you play. We even got to be teammates
for about six months there.
Speaker 11 (20:45):
Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
You know, you and I were having an interesting conversation.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
I went up to Boston to speak and you were
gracious enough to grab a buddy years and host me
for golf, and we had a wonderful afternoon. And and
then you and you took me to an old haunt
to your where they had Deli sandwiches.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
What was the name of the.
Speaker 11 (21:01):
Place, Nerolis in Westwood, all.
Speaker 9 (21:04):
Right, And I remember just sitting there, you and I
both six foot five, six foot six NFL quarterbacks at
one time, uh, you know, and just having the conversation.
But no one knew, No one know who the hell
we were. No one knew what we had done or
or anything like that we could just be anonymous and
have this conversation. And I thought that was pretty pretty
(21:25):
cool to have experience anything.
Speaker 11 (21:27):
That's what that's what you think? I saw.
Speaker 10 (21:29):
I saw Seally, Fitzi and Murph in the corner in
the Boston Scally Caps talking about us.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
Yeah, they were talking about that. That that guy over there,
that guy over there and kicked him out of the combine.
We're going to take him out back and wrap him up.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
You said something, uh that I thought was really interesting
because I wanted to ask you a question around you know,
rushing rookies to play early on at the quarterback position,
or whether they're just preempt to having to start because
of all the all the exposure, all the expectations, everything
like that. But you talked about being drafted, being behind
Brett Farva, and then when you got to Seattle, you know,
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the first year you were there, you kind of you know,
you didn't get it done, and then got another opportunity
in year five where it really started to click. And
how you were given that leash and these guys are
not going to be allowed for that if they were
to mess up. I thought that was very interesting kind
of speak to that and is there a if you
were a general manager, would there be a way you
would approach dealing with a young rookie quarterback in terms
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of when they became a starter or how or when
they were ready.
Speaker 10 (22:26):
It's a little more detailed than like sid a guy
starter guy. I think it's a little more detailed than that.
I think what I probably told you was, you know,
how do you know? Like that's the thing I hear
people talk about, how do you know? And I don't
even think head coaches know this. Like I listened to
head coaches and press conferences and I sit there and
I'm like, this is the dumbest.
Speaker 11 (22:42):
Answer I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 10 (22:44):
Like you're just sounds like you're saying what you think
your general manager wants to hear, or what your owner
of the team wants to hear, or like what the
fans want to hear or these beat writers want to hear.
Like it's really stupid sounding, you know. Sometimes when some
of the stuff that these coaches said, truth of truth
of the matter is is like the quarterback has to
know what to do how to protect himself and the
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guys around him on third down, Like that third down
blitz pick up is like the whole name of the
game is the quarterback. You make your money in the
NFL as a quarterback on third down. What happens from
the twenty to the twenty is pretty benign on first
and second down, but third down and then obviously red
zone like that, that's that's where it's that's where it happens.
But for a young quarterback, the hardest thing to kind
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of master or like have command of is blitz protection.
Knowing where your hots are, side adjustments, audibles, all that
kind of stuff. Because if you don't know that, you're
gonna get hurt and your shet your season will be
cut short, or your teammates are gonna get hurt.
Speaker 11 (23:41):
You're gonna get someone hurt. And obviously, like.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
You can be so remedial and so not ready that
that can happen on first and second down, like we've
seen that happen too.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
But uh, but no, that.
Speaker 10 (23:51):
That's that's how you that's I think that's how that's
like the define how you define it.
Speaker 11 (23:57):
And for me, it took a long time.
Speaker 10 (24:00):
And part of the reason it took a long time
is I got no snaps, Like I'm sitting there watching
instead of you know doing.
Speaker 11 (24:06):
But I think for a lot of guys that have
had success.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, I put myself in this category
because it took me a long time the ability to
sit and watch from a great quarterback and more is
caught than taught, like just to sit in there and
watch and Drew BLEDSOE watch your Brett Farv watching.
Speaker 11 (24:25):
You know whoever the guy is, be a pro. That
is so valuable and a lot of guys don't get that.
A lot of guys don't get that opportunity.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
Yeah, it would have been.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
There was an opportunity for Warren Moon to come in
and be my like, be that mentor. I know when
Jim Harbaugh showed up in year two, like things completely
took off for me in terms of how I went
about my business as a professional. I just didn't have
any any guidance or understanding. And I know sometimes with
Brett Farv, he was out on his own tangent doing
his own thing. But it was greatness. You were getting
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to watch and witness and help.
Speaker 10 (25:00):
But even that right, like Andy Reid was the quarterback
coach in Green Bay and he comes in in the
first meeting I ever had with him. He was like, Hey,
study the intangibles of Brett Favre And I'm like, I
don't even know.
Speaker 11 (25:11):
What intangibles are, Like what's an intangible? Like at the time,
I'm like, what you know?
Speaker 10 (25:14):
And he's like, watch the way, Like he basically was
like his decision making, his fundamentals, like all this stuff
is terrible. He gets away with stuff that like no
one else is going to get away with. But here's
where he's so special. He's an incredible leader. Like he
has the ability to bring energy to any situation that
he's in. He has the ability to motivate his teammates
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like without even they don't even know that he's doing it.
He has the ability to intimidate the opponent without even
saying a word. And there's other little things like he
knows the name of every single person in this building,
from the person that like cleans the floors to the
person that signs the checks. Like he knew everybody's name.
And those things are things that absolutely matter if you're
the franchise quarterback. Some guys are like, yeah, come on,
(25:57):
serve me, man, I'm the franchise QB.
Speaker 11 (25:59):
Like, man, no, that's not it. And you see a
lot of guys come in like, oh, as a first
round pick, I.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Was spoiled at my SEC school. I was whatever, and like,
that is not it. You know, the best quarterbacks are
the guys that are like, hey, what can I do
for you? What can I do to make other people better?
And then I think you see that. I think you
see that in the Tom Brady's and the Peyton Mannings,
in the Brett Farbs, like a lot of guys like that.
Speaker 11 (26:21):
But to see it modeled every single day.
Speaker 10 (26:25):
And that's what Andy Reid told me to, like, hey,
have your antenna up for that study that. Don't study
like how he throws the ball late down the middle.
Don't study like throws the ball like from his knees
after he trips on a running back.
Speaker 11 (26:37):
Like that's not it. That's not what makes you great.
Speaker 10 (26:40):
And it's not always the things that get on whatever
Sports Center Top ten. It's those boring plays that kind
of keep the team out of second and eleven and
give the play caller second and four instead.
Speaker 11 (26:52):
And you know I studied that for three years. I
studied that stuff.
Speaker 9 (26:57):
It had to have been impressive. Leads you to the
Caleb Williams conversation. We have a staunch Chicago Bears fan
in the room here. Poly Pat been tough lately, been tough,
been tough, been tough for a long time.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
For quarterbacks, you always have the Super Bowl shuffle though,
that was a great one of the great things that's
ever been made ever.
Speaker 7 (27:16):
And Walter Payton, right, So that those two things.
Speaker 11 (27:20):
And more than that and more than that.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
But you know, can the Bears could they ease into
Caleb Williams on ours? Has their hand been forced with
everything that that's gone on, and no no veteran there
and all the pieces they put into place with Keenan
Allen and DJ Moore and DeAndre Swift, all the things
that are there is is there just no way to
ease Caleb Williams into what he's about to get into.
Speaker 11 (27:41):
Yeah, you can do it other ways.
Speaker 10 (27:43):
There's guys that start day one first overall picks, they
start day one. You take your lumps, Troy Apeman, Peyton Manning.
It doesn't look good for a year and then at
some point it clicks. The rest of the team catches up.
The defense is good, the playmakers are good. I think
the Bears have done a really nice job of surrounding
young quarterback with great talent. The defense is solid, right,
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the defense is solid. The playmakers on offense, they're clearly
investing in that. So yeah, I mean, there's another way
to do it. I would just say this, though, you're
putting all your chips on that quarterback being who you
think he is. You're putting all your chips on the
fact that that guy is not only physically gifted, but
mentally tough enough. And then like, this is the analogy
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I use a lot of times with the quarterbacks that
I coach. It's kind of like to use a golf analogy.
That's kind of what quarterback is. You have to make
your putts the first time when the opportunity is there
to make it. You get one opportunity, that's it. And
a lot of quarterbacks that I've been around, they could
have made that throw. Oh let me try again. I
can make that throw. Yeah, I know you can make
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that throw. There's like thousands of people out there that
could make that throw, but there's like fifteen that can
make it at the moment that it needs to be
made when that opportunity comes, And those are.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
The guys that never look back.
Speaker 10 (29:00):
Those are the guys who team whose teams go on
on ascension that other free agents around the league say, hey, man,
I want to team up with that guy, And I thought,
I think that's like one of the things I ended
my career in Indianapolis with Andrew Love. He was one
of those guys. There's a lot of guys that could
make that throw. He made it when it needed to
be made, whether it was a playoff game.
Speaker 11 (29:21):
You know, we're the.
Speaker 10 (29:21):
Worst team in football. No one's expecting us to have
a good year. Rookie quarterback boom upset on the road.
You know, Like there's certain players, certain quarterbacks, certain golfers
who do that, Like he nailed that eagle putt and
that the other guy.
Speaker 11 (29:35):
Too putt it. That's the difference. That's the rare air
that we're talking about. So that's just the danger.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
I guess right that that that the Bears are saying, Hey,
we're going to sink or swim.
Speaker 11 (29:46):
We're gonna as a GM or a.
Speaker 10 (29:47):
Head coach or who we're going to get a next
contract based on this one guy. And there's there's other
philosophies out there that I think the risk management is less.
But but it's certainly very if you're a Bears fan,
like you finally feel like, hey, you know, we might
have something special here and and honestly, I hope they do.
Speaker 11 (30:08):
I hope they do. It'd be fun. It's always fun
when the Bears are good.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
It's it's always fun when when I see guys who
come out of college have success. That's what I want
to see. I always want to see that because I
know how darn hard it is to do it.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It's hard.
Speaker 10 (30:19):
Ryan Like if like if my son gets drafted someday,
like I hope for him that he comes into a
quarterback room with you know, an amazing play caller, a
great quarterback coach, hopefully like some either a veteran and
a young guy, or a young guy and a veteran,
you know, somebody with.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
Gray hair, and then a quarterback room.
Speaker 10 (30:39):
That is stacked, Like I feel so fortunate I come
into that quarterback room. Mike Holnger's the head coach, Andy
Reads the quarterback coach. Brett Farv's the starting quarterback. The
backup quarterbacks are Doug Peterson and Rick Meyer and me,
like they paid me sixty two five hundred dollars to
be on the practice squad that first year. I'm sitting
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there like, these people are idiots. I should be paying
them to be in this room. I get to be
in this room. It was like Harvard Business School for quarterbacking.
Like it was amazing, And did I play No. I
sat there and practiced holding for field goals for Ryan
Longwell because Sean Landetta didn't want to do it. Like
it was. It was amazing. It was an amazing experience.
(31:21):
And a lot of guys don't get that. They get
chewed up and they get spit out and they said
and then people say, like a man, that guy can't
play it.
Speaker 11 (31:27):
It's like, hey, it was a tough situation, though, dude,
it was. That was not ideal.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
It was not ideal in a lot of situations.
Speaker 9 (31:34):
You made the most of it. I love spending time
with you. You are you know, you find your humility a
lot as a former player, as a former maybe not
great player, when you interact.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
With guys that had great careers or.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
There's a there's a there's a humility that comes with
it because you realize, like, hey, you know these are
these are special individuals. I will say this about Matt
Hasselbeck to everybody out there who clearly you can get
the gist from knowing him on the screen. He's very
down to earth, he's a good friend. He's been very
supportive of me. Uh and it's awesome hanging out with
him and stuff. So it's a real appreciative that you
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took your time to be part of the show today
and good to see you.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (32:14):
Hey, I hope you work on that thirty nine putts
that you had last time we played golf.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
By the way, I started, I started beach about thirty
nine probably though you probably did.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I did. I did.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
I shot there, I shot.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
I went out to band and with the with the crew,
with Joey and everybody of those guys.
Speaker 10 (32:27):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Got told the tequila story. By the way, We'll tell
that one another another time for you.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
But uh.
Speaker 9 (32:33):
But yeah, the putting has improved. I got a new putter.
So yeah, watch out people. Wowesome, congrats you too, Matt Hasselbeck, everybody,
former Seattle Seahawks NFL quarterback and of course former uninvited
combine member. Because of Ryan Leaf. There's a many at
a dartboard with that big old goofy Ryan Leaf face
on in his uh in his Boston uh haunts.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
There with his buddies. I guess we'll see, We'll see.
Speaker 9 (32:58):
He's a he's a great guy. That's some insight that
I don't think you'll get from uh. I mean, you
can tell he's kind of gotten into coaching now, like
there's a there is a inspirational, motivational point to everything
that he says, and very gracious in his time being
here with us on the show.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
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Speaker 12 (33:28):
Good morning to youa Stan Patrick show Fox Sports Radio.
I'm Doug Gottlieb, my guy Dan Byer alongside, so too
is Jason Stewart. Good morning, Doug, Good morning. Well, it's
this is weird. Your where I grew up, I'm where
you grew up. That's that's what's happened with our lives, right,
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not exactly where you grew up, but in the state
of of where you matriculated through school. And I'm actually
in the state where I was born, but not where
I'm matriculated through high school, middle school, whatever. So it's
it's a it's a weird, weird switch being in Wisconsin
you being in California. But still nonetheless, uh, here we
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are and we're I don't know, we've There's a lot
of conclusions you can make about the NBA draft. I
think the two day draft. Uh, it's pretty obvious that
somebody is like, hey, what if we did a two
day draft and a bunch of people said can we
make more money? And they're like, yes we can, will
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it be good? I don't know if anybody actually flushed
that part out right, Like that's how that's how brainstorming works,
sort of deal. You throw things up on the board,
you discuss it. You have to be willing to be
told that your idea, while productive, isn't going to be implemented.
Speaker 13 (34:49):
I just there was that was not great, you know.
Speaker 14 (34:54):
And let's and let's be honest too, Doug. They were
given a gift with Brownie James. Yes, that's an absolute
gifts to have.
Speaker 12 (35:01):
Otherwise otherwise and look, you and I are hoopheads, right
like you love golf, don't get me wrong, and of
course you have your Sunday show and your Fantasy football
podcast whatever, but let you love college hoop as I
obviously do now I'm a college head coach, right, But
I mean that was with If you take Brownie James
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out of the second round, it becomes solely for those
of us who are absolute diehards, and we wonder, right,
I mean, given an absolute gift. And even with that,
that was a tough watch.
Speaker 14 (35:35):
Yeah, especially too because Philipowski and Kolak ended up going
in the first two of the first three picks of
the second round, so of names that we would be
familiar with with college basketball. Not that there weren't other
college players, but those were the two biggest names that
I felt were still available at that point. They were
off the board within three picks of the second round, starting,
by the way, for those of us on the West coast,
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one o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 12 (35:59):
Again, like, what part of this was well planned? I
just again, I understand. I deal with people all the
time who have asked us in the TV and radio
industry like.
Speaker 13 (36:11):
Why do games start so late?
Speaker 12 (36:13):
And generally my argument is always, look, you may say
your kid can't stay up late and watch, but there
are programming people that they spend their entire professional lives
figuring out the math equation too. What is the appropriate
tip time so that when the game concludes, because that's
when you have peak viewing audience, you have the most
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eyes from around the country watching this one. I got
to know the math on. I don't really understand what
are you trying to get us to not watch? I
understand that it's the first time you've done it, But
who in their right mind thought that was a good idea?
Speaker 13 (36:47):
I can't.
Speaker 12 (36:48):
I can't imagine a lot of people in the West Coast,
where on the West Coast where there's not a lot
of buzz about college hoops, and the only buzz was
about Bronnie James, who did grow up, did play college
basketball and now is a product of the a member
of the Los Angeles Lakers. That's the only guy. And
it happened at what three in the afternoon. I just
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that one's a tough one for me. Doesn't add up
a lot.
Speaker 14 (37:13):
And there was zero buzz because everything was also moved
to the studio, so it was very They weren't at
the Barclay Center like they were the night be four. Yeah,
it was just odd, and I just don't know how
you can continue that momentum, at least in the NFL
people are hanging out around Detroit, you know, on the
Friday and Saturday and doing NFL sort of things and
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wearing their team gear.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
But this was just yeah, this was just odd.
Speaker 13 (37:39):
Well.
Speaker 12 (37:40):
I mean, look, I am in green Bay, Wisconsin. Doug
Gotlieb dan byer in for Dan and Danetts here on
Dan Patrick cho Fox Sports Radio and for people who
don't know, the NFL Draft next year comes to Green Bay,
and you know the planning in the city. The plan
is there'd be two hundred and fifty thousand people come
into the city and it's a show. There's concerts planned.
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There's already a lot of venues down in in Title Town,
you know, obviously right there next to lambeau and I
can't imagine the buzz that there's gonna have. Obviously there'll
be the potential there in the spring for weather, but
there's the the at Room, which I just got a
chance to see two nights ago, inside of lambeau Field,
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where you're already covered. I'm sure they're making all kinds
of contingency plans, but trying to mimic the NFL is
such a mistake. You're just not the NFL. And I
feel like that's what the NBA did, where you know,
so many times the w NBA has been rightfully accused
of why are you trying to compete or compare yourself
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to the NBA. You're it's a completely different calculation. The
same would be true for the NBA last night. I
think it's a pretty completely different calculation. But let's get
to the topic to Jore, which just so happens to
be the topic of the day. Bronnie James was drafted
by the Lakers, and I thought, and look, I am
not generally critical of other broadcasters. Having been a broadcaster,
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I can tell you that there's a lot of things
that go on that you may not and we can
let you kind of inside the beltway, especially now crossing
over into coaching, I can I can not selling out
any friends, but I can tell you the reality of
how things go and why they go. And Dan, as
you and I have talked about before, you know, a
lot of people are critical, for example of ESPN ABC's
(39:30):
halftime show during the during the NBA Finals, like well,
you just have some one minute thing like that's because
those segments are sold like they network breaks are different.
You don't have the benefit of cable where Barkley and
the inside of the NBA crew can can vamp for
you know, ten minutes uninterrupted.
Speaker 13 (39:48):
You don't have that.
Speaker 12 (39:49):
So there are some things business wise that people just
don't understand. We can get to the the the idea
of depotism, we get to all this stuff. I thought
of ESPN was embarrassing with the defending the pick. I've
never heard anything like this. The whole thing is a
complete debacle. And Bob Myers, who I like, like, dude,
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you're sitting there acting like you're breaking news, saying a
Rich Paul is calling other teams telling him, not telling
him not to draft Bronnie. If they do, he's going
to Australia. Like like, you have to be able to
process that.
Speaker 13 (40:26):
People are telling you things that aren't accurate, right, You can't.
You have to process that.
Speaker 12 (40:32):
It was the whole Rich Paul thing was such a
clown show. And we'll get to you whether or not
you can. He why he would say, we're not doing
a two way, but the multiple teams interested, they weren't
you worked out for two teams. It was some sort
of leverage play to get the Lakers to make sure
they hired JJ Reddick and they drafted Ronnie James, and look,
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you're allowed to draft Ronnie James. You're allowed to have nepotism,
like again, like what we can talk about it, but
just carrying on a charade like he was gonna go
to Australia.
Speaker 13 (41:05):
Or somebody else was interested.
Speaker 12 (41:07):
When the whole thing, the part that I would say
is embarrassing for the Lakers is why'd you have to
draft him? No one was gonna draft Brownie James. Everybody
knew who's going to LA. You can still sign him
as an undrafted free agent and if the idea is, hey,
we don't embarrass him, like, look, the market has spoken.
If you thought the next couple teams was five more picks,
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you thought in the next five picks he was gonna
get selected, Like that's fine, but they weren't going to
take him. Everyone knows no one was gonna take him,
and yet you do that, you carry on a charade.
And then Adrian Wargenowski, woa again, somebody I have a
tremendous amount of respect for. But the defending saying, hey,
nepotism occurs.
Speaker 13 (41:50):
Throughout the NBA.
Speaker 12 (41:51):
True, And we can get into whether or not there
is there's a part of nepotism that people don't talk about,
which is actually a really good thing. I'll get to
that in a moment. But acting like, well, if nepotism
occurs elsewhere, the nepotism here is fine, Like no, it's
not like two wrongs don't actually make it right, you.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Know, it's funny, Doug.
Speaker 14 (42:08):
In terms of the threat that Rich Paul made, it
wasn't even a threat.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
If you were to look back at.
Speaker 14 (42:14):
The other years of the NBA, there are a lot
of teams that would draft someone stash them because the
player wouldn't come over from Europe and then be available
in the next two or three years. That actually may
be a better plan for Brownie James's actual pro prospects
than to be an actual threat for other teams to
think that they'd be god forbid missing out on a
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late second round pick, like it was just it was
idiotic to think that that could be a possibility, Like
someone's gonna be like, well, we're not gonna waste pick
number fifty four to draft Bronnie James because we may
not get anything out of them. Hardly anybody gets anything
out of second round picks. They're more failures than there
are success rates, and if they could think that it
was an actual threat made it that much more ridiculous
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that people are actually taking it serious.
Speaker 12 (43:00):
Yes, yes, I mean you're right, and okay, so we
can get into a bunch of parts to it. I
want to get into the the idea of not doing
a two way contract, and we'll explain what that means.
A longtime college hoops analyst and NBA draft expert franfur
Scilla is going to join us upcoming in ten minutes.
(43:20):
Fran knows these guys cold and kind of like the
two of us like, he's not He's not bound by
the constraints of having to kiss the booty of lebron James.
Speaker 13 (43:31):
And we can he can.
Speaker 12 (43:32):
We can go back and forth as to just how
good Bronnie is and can be, But let let's tackle
the not even the elephant the room. The whole reason
this took place is the father son element. Here's Rob Plinka,
GM and the Lakers discussing it.
Speaker 15 (43:50):
Bronnie is first and foremost a person of high character,
and second he is a young man that works incredibly hard,
and those are the quality we look for in drafting.
Players and adding to our developmental court the Lakers.
Speaker 13 (44:06):
Okay, so high character. I agree.
Speaker 12 (44:08):
I've never heard anyone say he's of anything about high character.
He works hard, great, they all do. Like, let's not
pretend like there's not other guys of high character to
work hard. Fine, here's Blinka on the historic father son connection.
Speaker 11 (44:22):
In the history of the NBA.
Speaker 15 (44:23):
There's never been a father and a son that have
shared an NBA basketball court, and that feels like something
that could be magical. And we know and have to respect,
of course that Lebron has a decision about his opt out,
and I'm sure he and his family and his agent
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will deliberate what they're going to do there, and of
course he has freedom to decide whatever's best for him
and his family. But if it worked out that he
was on our team next season, NBA history could be made,
and NBA history should be made in a Lakers uniform.
Speaker 12 (45:00):
It's really really impressive of rob and rob By the way,
as a friend of coaches San Durham, he's good dude,
good great family christ and his wife is just a
wonderful lady. But to keep a straight face when he
says like Lebron James is going somewhere, come along.
Speaker 13 (45:20):
What are we doing?
Speaker 12 (45:22):
Why?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
What?
Speaker 13 (45:22):
Why?
Speaker 12 (45:23):
Like I understand that there's the possible like what are
we actually doing?
Speaker 2 (45:34):
What?
Speaker 13 (45:34):
Why? Why carry on some charade of lies?
Speaker 7 (45:40):
It?
Speaker 12 (45:40):
Well, listen if he decides and his agent and his
family have to decide, if Lebron's coming back history could
be made, Like, dude, what.
Speaker 14 (45:52):
Wasn't the message after Night one on how JJ Reddick
was already designing things to Rob Linka on what they
were gonna do with Dalton konnect And this sounds stuff
like that I would write a graduation card to a
high school or college graduate, you know, like like you
talk about like the differences of like and and maybe
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Night one was more about selling JJ Reddick as the
head coach sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
But the whole thing is a cell job.
Speaker 14 (46:21):
Whether it's Brownie, whether it's JJ Reddick, There was no
we're looking at ways to get Bronnie James involved on
the offense and looking at ways to utilize him on defense.
There was none of that. There was for Dalton kNN Act,
but there was none of that for Brownie James.
Speaker 12 (46:35):
I mean, look, I'll give you can I give you
the the analysis I'll be interested to hear what Franz says.
I actually have a player on my team who's played
against Bronnie and he's when he and I last night
had dinner and I said, like, you know, what was
it like to play against him? He's like, he's a
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good defender, He's like, but he doesn't he doesn't ever
take over a game. And you know, look as you know,
but I don't know if the listeners. Note where our
studio at Fox Sports Radio is located is down the
street from Sherman Oaks Notre Dame. Brownie's senior year, Notre
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Dame beat Sierra Canyon four times. Each time it got worse.
Loaded loaded team, loaded loaded team. And you know, so
too is uh, what's the other school there's there's the
whole league is called the Mission League, and it's become
arguably the best high school league in the country. And
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I don't think he definitely wasn't one of the top
five players. I don't believe he's one of the top
ten players his senior year. Now, it was a loaded league, okay,
you had at Sherman Oaks Notre Dame, you had four
high level Division one players, Okay, but he wasn't one
of the ten best players his senior year. I understand
he had the heart issue, and oh yeah, by the way,
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like here's kind of comical, like lait, so we he
got a pass on the broadcast for having a heart
issue when traditionally any other player, if you essentially had
a heart attack, no would ever draft you, even if
you had a grade season like he averaged four points
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a game and when he got a chance to start
because as a Collier was injured, like, they weren't competitive.
So I just it's not he's not a bad basketball player.
This is just way above his level for where he
is currently and like we're forcing it. So then you
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add in the fact that Rich Paul says he doesn't
want to play a two way? Does He's not going
to do a two way? A two way allows you
to go down to the G league, Like so you're
just gonna sit on the bench with the Lakers and
the only hoop you're gonna get is in workouts because
once the season starts, they don't practice, Like Lebron's not
practicing forty years old, you're not practicing now You'll be
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there and every once in a while they have a
practice and they go through some stuff. But Anthony Davis
and lebron James, those guys aren't practicing. So how is
he actually going to get better? Where is the developmental plan?
Speaker 13 (49:20):
There's none.
Speaker 12 (49:21):
If they wanted to develop him, you send him to
you send him to Duquane and he plays like for
one of his best friends. This is not a developmental plan.
This is a side show. And again you're allowed to.
I mean, Rob Polinka said as much as you pointed
out Dan, he said as much that this is going
to be as for historic nature has nothing to do
with basketball, zero, Because if it had to do with basketball,
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you can still acquire Bronnie James, and you could have
got another player at fifty five who actually could help you,
maybe you stash him for the future, but you didn't.
So I just I thought it was an embarrassing night
all along, and I do feel bad for Bronnie, but
I think some of this has been has caused him
to be how he is as a player. You know
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where his dad sucks up so much of the oxygen
in the room for everything that Bronnie never tries to
take over anything on the court. Off the court, He's
just a great kid who likes to play basketball. That's awesome,
But you're in the business of winning games, aren't you.
Speaker 14 (50:23):
I'll just say this quickly to Doug. Something to watch. Remember,
Lebron changed his number this past year back to twenty three.
The reason, he said at the time was to honor
Bill Russell, who wore six. Well, Bronnie wore six in college,
and I wonder, just wonder if when Bronnie ends up
being a Laker, if he wears number six. And that
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was the reason why Lebron actually did switch to twenty three,
which would mean that the plan probably would have been
and works for how many months, you know, year, a
year and a half to be able to make this done.
Just something to watch.
Speaker 12 (50:57):
It's very interesting and and there is something there is
something too. There is something too having the ability to
make something, you know, have a vision for it, and
then make it happen. Like that's one of the great
things about Lebron that you cannot take away from him.
Like he had this whole vision not just for his career,
but for a production company for his friends, and they've
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all become very very successful. Now his son is in
the NBA and is on his team. Like all of
those things, but gosh, it does it feels it doesn't
feel like it's focused on winning.