August 30, 2024 • 47 mins
Dan Patrick reacts to the Cowboys paying CeeDee Lamb and discusses what it means for Dak Prescott. The Voice of the Yankees Michael Kay joins Dan to break down Aaron Judge's historic season. Plus, Mike Sando of The Athletic stops by to dive into his annual QB Tiers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. How did we get here? And where are
we going? Ceedee Lamb got paid. We knew he was
going to get paid. We knew that he would get
paid before the season started. I thought it was a
non story because all of these wide receivers are getting paid.
The question is he's not going to get Justin Jefferson money.
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Is he going to get maybe just a little bit less.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So we're here in the low thirties to maybe mid thirties,
and at what point do we get to forty million
dollars for a wide receiver. I remember talking about TJ.
Watt and how important it was that he was going
to be the first defensive player to get thirty million
dollars in a season. Now, Micah Parsons, who knows what
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he's going to get? And if you're looking at the
most important positions, obviously it's quarterback. And then we could
have a debate on edge rusher or wide receiver. Wide
receivers are getting paid. You still have Jamar Chase who's
out there, and I don't know if Jamar Chase is
going I should be paid more than Justin Jefferson Now,
he's probably going to ask for more than that. I'm
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sure Ceedee Lamb asked for more than that. But you
eventually get around too. This is where you're slotted. And
I remember when AJ Brown signed his deal and I thought,
if I'm Jerry Jones, I say to Ceedee Lamb, I'm
going to give you a little bit more than AJ Brown. Now,
I don't know if Cede Lamb would have said okay,
or his agent would have said it felt like the
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longer this went, the more receivers who were signed, the
more expensive it was going to be for Cede Lamb.
Now you're going to get this conversation today. What does
Cdee Lamb's signing mean for Dak Prescott. I don't think
they're related other than they play for the same team.
I don't think Dak Prescott signs a deal. If I'm
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Dak Prescott, I wouldn't sign a deal because if the
Cowboys don't like at this point, the Cowboys know Dak
is their future or he's not, it's not one of
those no, I don't know, Let's see him play another season.
If I'm Dak Prescott, you probably say I've done everything
I can do, Like I'm playing at a pretty high level.
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I was an MVP. Now you can counter that by saying,
but what do you do in the postseason? And that's fair.
But if he doesn't re sign with the Cowboys or
he goes out to the open market, he's going to
get paid because look at the quarterbacks who are going
to be available. Look at the quarterbacks in this year's draft,
there's nobody where you go got to get him. Now,
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we had a few of them in this draft. But
next year, and at least right now, I don't know
if somebody goes Quinn yours now you want them on
that rookie deal. But as far as quarterbacks are, I mean,
Kirk Cousins got paid by Atlama and then they drafted
a quarterback. He will find a taker. You know, maybe
it's the Raiders a team like that. But he's going
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to get paid, whether it's with the Cowboys or not.
But the longer they wait, now there's no other quarterbacks
who are going to be signed. You know, before the
start of the season, everybody is all signed up. So
he knows sort of where he's going to get paid.
He knows that sweet spot. And if the Cowboys don't
pay him. Somebody else will. But if I'm Dak Prescott,
I have to bet on myself again, and it certainly
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helps that you have Ceedee Lamb there. That'll make it
a whole lot easier if Ceedee Lamb wasn't there. And
if I'm Dak Prescott, I'm like, it'd be nice if
we had him. You knew eventually he was going to
get in camp. Now the question is he going to
be ready to go? This is where you get those
soft tissue injuries where they're just nagging you know. Is
he going to be able to play? Is he going
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to be limited first couple of games there? But Ceedee
Lamb got paid. I'm not surprised. He's a wonderful player
and you can make a case he's the best receiver
in football. And with Dak Prescott as his quarterback as
opposed to Sam Darnold, with Justin Justin Jefferson, that might
be the best combo platter that we have in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
All right, set, let's the Polk question that we have today.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Let's see we got one here from Paulie. If you
were betting Chiefs or the field, we.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Don't do the Tiger Woods thing in football very often.
But with the Chiefs, I would say, I'll take the Chiefs.
I think I would take the Chiefs, like I've learned.
It's one of those where you want to deny something
that's so obvious. You're like, I can't like even doing
the show. You're like, if I do the Chiefs people
(04:31):
and go, oh wow, I really went out on a limb.
But deep down, you go, they should win. Denver might
be a little bit better, Chargers might be a little
bit better. Raiders are probably going to be the same.
So you might have twelve thirteen wins. Now you're hosting games.
Now the Dolphins have to go to Kansas City where
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Cincinnati has to go there or the raven You know,
remember when Miami went there it didn't go well. So
I'm you got to look at it and go, Okay,
what's my record in my division overall record, and what
do I think is going to happen in other divisions
here You've got to kind of handicap it that way
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because you want to be at home as for as
many of those, you know, playoff games as possible. Certainly
if you're a team like the Miami Dolphins where weather
hasn't been their friend. Buffalo is not afraid to go anywhere,
Cincinnati's not afraid to go anywhere, Kansas City's not afraid
to go anywhere. Then you have San Francisco, Philadelphia, Detroit.
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So you know, there's probably seven teams, eight teams right
now that you say could go to a super Bowl.
How many can win a super Bowl? So it's it's
not a long list. I know we're all hopeful. If
you're a fan base with a team like the Titans,
you're like, you know, maybe we could, maybe we could
kind of sneak in there as a wild card team.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Everybody has hope.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That hope is going to dissipate probably after about a month,
and then you're gonna go, Okay, we kind of know
who we are. Like, if I'm an Atlanta Falcon fan,
I'm excited because I have a good offense, Like I
have a really good offense, and that's a division you
could win. But if I'm Tampa, I feel pretty good.
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So there's certain teams that you go I feel maybe
a little bit better. If I'm a Bears fan, I
feel better. I don't know if they'll make the playoffs.
I said they would green Bay. All right, now, you're
not a surprise. You're not gonna sneak up on anybody.
The Texans, You're not going to sneak up on anybody
this year. Somebody's going up and somebody's coming down. But
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that's sort of the beauty of what the NFL tries to,
you know, put forth every single year. They want parody,
They want a surprise team or two. They want you know,
nine and eight, eight and nine, you know that's they're
fine with that. Ten and seven. Everybody's kind of bunched
in there. You're gonna have a couple of teams that
are probably going to have twelve thirteen win seasons, and
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then those are the teams are going to be hosting
playoff games. So I would probably go Kansas City. I
would because I don't think Kansas City played well last year.
I really don't. That game against the Raiders that was
eye opening late in the season and I went, wow,
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they are vulnerable. But that was a wake up call.
Andy Reid talked about that that they kind of needed that,
and then we realized they're a defensive first team. Imagine
having the most valuable player in the sport. But it's
the defense that's more valuable to that team, or at
least it was last year when they needed it most
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to win a Super Bowl. Mahomes is great. We know
that the defense was the big surprise there. You got Pacheco,
you got Kelsey, like you have enough, and then you're
hoping some of these other receivers, whether it's a rookie receiver,
somebody who has bounced around a little bit, Mahomes will
make them better. But I would say I probably have
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fewer questions about Kansas City. That doesn't mean I'm going
to pick them when I make my Super Bowl pick
next week.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
What other pole question do you have that's Tod?
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Go ahead, bring on the game.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Now, that's a different era Todd. Todd does that in
the hallway.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
He'll just be walking around and he loves to do
theme songs of TV shows.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
All right, what else do you have here?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
See, well, we're looking at the sort of explosion of
wide receiver contract. Yes, more valuable to your team wide receiver?
Or do we put an edge rusher defensive end? Okay,
who's more valuable for the Cowboys. Let's just start there
with Michael Parsons CD Lamb. Who's more valuable.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You could have a really good argument there because they're
both impactful.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Ceedee Lamb had crazy numbers last year.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Michael parsons, I don't know what his sack total was,
but if I put sack total and hurries in there,
what kind of numbers does that compare to Max Crosby
or TJ Watt or you throw out whoever. Man feels
like it's the wide receiver, you know now, like it's
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twenty times when Tyreek Hill got paid and I thought, wow,
you know, I's twenty eight million dollars for a receiver,
and then all of a sudden people started jumping past that.
And then I I was told by somebody with the
affiliated with the Dolphins, They're like, oh, Tyreek's gonna wait
till everybody's done, and then he wants to get paid
more than everybody else. So it feels like there's more
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wide receivers getting paid than edge rushers. You know what,
do we have five edge rushers? Like Vosa's in there?
Who am I missing from the Miles Garrett's in there?
So you got five guys that you think of that
are you know? Well, that guy can turn a game
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around a difference maker. Yes, Marvin is Chris Jones considered
an edge rusher or DT. I just I just look
at him as a football player, like he's Aaron Donald,
I got it. He just he's gonna make plays, and
he does make plays in big, big moments. But I
would just call him a football player. He's sort of
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that hybrid. What do you need me to do? And
then I end up doing it nine days until the
NFL opener, and today it's cutdown day. Imagine this scenario.
And Ross Tucker so eloquently told us about what it's
like to be the biggest name in your hometown. You
were the star of the high school team, you go
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to college, now you're in the NFL. And then all
of a sudden, wait a minute, why is Ross Tucker
at the Wendy's. I just saw him. He's at the
dry in he planned football. So your whole identity for
the first time in your life is just chopped off
at the knees.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And he said, you go home.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And everybody asked the same thing, because you can't miss
a big football player when he's in town. Back in town, everybody, Oh,
you knew who I saw today? And Ross talked about
that these guys have been All American, five star, four star,
three star, that everywhere they've gone, and now you go
to the NFL and you're just you're holding on for
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one of those fifty three spots on the roster, and
then all of a sudden, come on in and bring
your playbook, and now you've got to go home, like
you don't even get on the practice squad.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
At least on the practice squad. You're still on the
team technically, but when you're not a professional football player.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
And I'm sure that it's embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Some may find it humiliating that you've been a star
football player. That's your identity until it's not your identity,
and then you go home and you just sit there
and then you hope that somebody's going to give you
a chance, maybe somebody gets injured, maybe you get to
go back. But I just I can't imagine what that
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must feel like, that that's who you are, that's your identity,
and all of a sudden, it's not your identity, and
now you're a former football player.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Yeah, Marvin, Yeah, I knew a guy that played college
football around my hometown and big Jack running Bag and
he played and he I forgot what team it was,
but he made the last cut and he was selling
insurance now and everyone's like, oh man, you're a big
guy used to play football.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
He's like, I try. I believe me.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
I may like the last cut a couple of years
in a row.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yes, Todd.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 8 (13:16):
What do you do for a living where you're not
constantly running into old high school friends and people are like,
what are you? You're working in the mall or you're
working in that selling shoes or whatever you're doing until
you can, you know, re find some other team that
might be interested in you. You have to go home
and you can't just crawl under the bed. You got
to kind of move all of your life.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, and I think you just work out.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I think you have to keep working out because your
window of opportunity is going to close.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
It's already closing.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And then maybe you get a chance with somebody else,
and then the following you know, summer, you're going to
try out for a team again, and then you may
be faced with reality of I'm not going to play anymore.
Speaker 9 (13:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
It's a weird thing though, that like we're sort of
talking about, because it's like like Oh, hey, loser, you
only made the What happened? I thought you played for
five years and now you're not there? What a loser like?
Uh no, he made it further than like pretty much
ninety nine percent of anybody, you know. Yeah, well it's
that's something that you need to like hang your head
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in shame over.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Well, I think the player does. I don't know if
the reaction from you know, everyday people, but when they
see you, they're probably like, oh god, Lee, Well hopefully
you'll get on a roster again. Everywhere you go, you're
gonna get questions about that. When you go back to
your hometown. Hey, aren't you playing anymore?
Speaker 7 (14:38):
No?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Not this year? Well, what happened?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I didn't make that. You don't say you got cut. Ah,
didn't make the fifty three man roster doesn't sound as bad.
Didn't make the fifty three man roster, yes, Marv.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
And the crazy thing about football is it's not like
you can go play overseas. It's not basketball. If you
don't make the Lakers. I can go play in the
G League, or I can go play in Europe or
Australia or whatever. It's it's just here. And maybe the
XFL or something like that, but there's no there's no
real options after that.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
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to seven to three DP show. We will settle on
a poll question. We have a football quiz coming up,
and once again, next hour, Matthew Berry will join us
on loan from NBC in Peaconcky's Mister Fantasy Football and
give you some of his advice free of charge. Also
maybe some late round sleepers. That's really when you get
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that guy and you go what round did you get him?
And it'd be like next to last, and then all
of a sudden that guy has a breakout season.
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Speaker 7 (16:28):
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Speaker 2 (16:32):
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on the program. Mike, thanks for joining us. If I
would have told you before the season started, Aaron Judge
would be on pace to hit sixty home runs, again,
you would have said what.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
I would say.
Speaker 11 (16:47):
I could see it happening, but it wasn't likely because
you know, in twenty twenty two, we felt that that
was a once in a lifetime thing. So I wouldn't
bet on it because I just think that these are
so unusual. But now I start to think that if
he didn't run into the wall at Dodger Stadium last year,
maybe he would have made a run at sixty as well.
He's just on that kind of role right now where
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he's the best hitter in baseball.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I wondered about his swing or I wonder about his
swing when you first saw him and it felt like
somebody that size and having a long swing. Could he
continue to have that success when his bat you know,
slowed down. He's thirty two and having probably the best
year of his career. So how do you handicap that
swing of his as he you know, gets to be
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thirty five, thirty six years of age.
Speaker 11 (17:33):
You know what, He's a really smart player, Dan, and
I think that what he's done is he's turned it
into a science because he actually cares about batting average
at his strikeouts are actually down from his rookie year
when he hit fifty two home runs that year.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I mean I even talked to Joe Girardi about it.
You know, nobody could envision this.
Speaker 11 (17:51):
Nobody could have dreamed this big, that he'd be a
three thirty hitter and be on face for sixty three
home runs.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
But that's what he is.
Speaker 11 (17:58):
So you would be led to believe that if in fact,
he's going to get older and you know, the laws
of physics take over and he's gonna have a slower back,
I think he'll be able to make it work. I
think he's got a lot more in the tank. Remember
he got called up late because he went to college.
So if he wants to do great things in a
compiling sense, he's got to hit till he's thirty seven,
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and I think he's going.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
To Who's having a better season Aaron Judge or Shoe
Heeyo TONI.
Speaker 11 (18:28):
I think Judge is simply because of the fact that
he's playing the field. You know, Otani's unbelievable. He's stolen
over forty bases, and that's something that Judge doesn't do.
I think Judge could steal more bases if he wanted to,
but it's imperative that he stay healthy. But he's playing
center field most of the time, so I'd say that
he's probably having a better season.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Was there ever a time when you thought, or maybe
Yankee fans thought you were getting Otani?
Speaker 7 (18:56):
I thought at the beginning they did.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
I mean that's the reason the Yankees have standing because
once they lost out on Otani, they really thought that
they were going to get Otani, and then they pivoted
and made the trade for Stanton And I remember sitting
next to Otani on the day I said a baseball
writer's dinner in New York and you know, he had
signed with the Angels and he said to me, said,
why are people so upset? I said, because they really
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wanted you to be a Yankee. He goes, well, maybe
one day, but that's not going to happen. I think
he likes it on the West Coast, and at the
end of this ten year contract, I don't think the
Yankees will pursue him.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
What about Juan Soto.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
I'm one of the people who believe this, and I
don't think it's something that people want to embrace. Everyone says, oh,
he loves being a Yankee, and the fans love him,
and they showed himsels love. He'll definitely sign with the Yankees.
He's definitely going to sign with the team that offers
him the most money. I mean, you don't have Scott
Boris as an agent to take a discount. That's just
not the way it works. And maybe it's going to
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be the Yankees that give him the most money. The
only thing I will actually bend a little bit on
Dan is if it's close.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
I think he is enjoying his time.
Speaker 11 (20:07):
He knows the power of hitting in front of Judge
and the fans and Soto from opening day.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
This year have had a love affair.
Speaker 11 (20:14):
So if there's a difference between a million dollars for
one year over a ten fifteen year period, I could
see him saying, Okay, go to the Yankees. But let's
say the Mets and Steve Cohen they offer him sixty
million a year and the Yankees offer him fifty. He
could love the Yankees all he wants. He loved being
with the Nationals and he turned down four hundred and
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forty million dollars. So I think it's going to come
down to a business transaction, and I think emotions are
going to be pushed to the side.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Best team in the American League is who.
Speaker 11 (20:47):
I think it's between the Yankees and the Orioles. But
if you want to ask me who do I fear
the most, it's probably the Astros. I don't think they're
the best team, but they have the institutional knowledge of happy.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
To get to the Alcay.
Speaker 11 (21:00):
So if I'm the Yankees of the Orioles, that would
be the team that scares me the most. I mean,
in an eye blink, they went from ten out to
buy five and a half, six over and in front
of the Mariners, and they got the Mariner manager fired
as well. So the astro scared me the most. And
I'd say that the Yankees and the Orioles are the
two best teams in the league.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
You look at a Yankee Dodger World Series.
Speaker 11 (21:25):
I would like that. That would be fun. I think
it would be good for baseball. I see Otani and
Judge on the same field. I think that would be great,
and it would bring me back to eighty one and
seventy seven and seventy eight. But I'll tell you what
on my radio show, Dan, all I take is Yankee
fans talking about this Judge sceness means nothing unless they
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go to the World Series. I mean that's the way
they've been programmed. So I really can't get upset with them.
But it's so hard to get to the World Series.
The last time a team went back to back was
the Yankee So there's just so many layers of playoffs
to get there. I mean, Brian Cashman calls it a
crop shoot. I don't know if it's quite a crop shoot,
but I do know it's really really tough to do.
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So what I like to see the Yankees and the Dodgers.
Maybe the Yankees and the Philly Sure Yankees and the
Mets would be fun. I think there are legitimately ten
teams that could go to the World Series.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
What was your reaction when the story came out that
the Yankees could honor Alex Rodriguez.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Should honor or that they actually invited into Oldzheimer's Day.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Well, no, I thought that there was something about ay
Rod talking about, you know, being put out in Memorial
Park or out there with all the legends.
Speaker 11 (22:37):
A lot of people were asked that during Oldzheimer's Day.
I think the fact that Alex was invited to Oldtomer's Day,
if you asked me that six years ago, yeah, okay,
that's going to happen. So time does heal some wounds.
And when he was introduced to the crowd, there was
a lot of love that came his way that weren't booze.
There were cheers for sure, not the most of any
Yankee that still goes to Derek Jeter. I think it's
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a long from putting into Monument Park. I really do.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
I mean, this is a guy and I think if
you look.
Speaker 11 (23:05):
At his numbers, just look at his number, six hundred
and ninety six home runs, three MVPs, two of them
with the Yankees a great World Series running on nine,
he deserves to be out there for that. But this
guy was also suspended from baseball for year and he
was suing the team. So I mean, there have to
be a lot of a lot of wounds that have
to be healed before that would ever happen. I wouldn't
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I would never say never, but it would be tough.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
But the Yankees love to celebrate these things, even though
I wouldn't celebrate a Rod with putting him out there.
And I misspoke Memorial Monument Park, but hey, it's the
Yankee franchise.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
They do what they want to do.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But it seems like a Rod's still like how do
you curry favor to get in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
And like, I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
He's been relevant doing the Fox Games, the ESPN stuff,
and then I just wonder, is he ever going to
get into the Baseball Hall of Fame having been popped
twice with steroids.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
I don't think he will.
Speaker 11 (24:04):
I don't think he will unless there's a seismic change
of the people that are voting. You know, people have said, well,
you know, people will die off and there'll be a
younger generation of voters. Okay, then it's ten years on
the ballot will be over and then it'll be the
hands of some kind of veterans committee.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
And I think a lot of the players want to
keep the PD guys out. The sad part is Dan.
Speaker 11 (24:25):
Of all the people that have been kept out, like
Bonds and Clemens and the like, the one that it
hurts the most is a Rod because he is such
a lover of baseball and he understands the history of
the game and what it means to be in Cooperstown
that would mean the world to him. But he also
knows that he messed up in a big way. So
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I'm not sure he'll ever get into Cooperstown.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
I'm just not.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You bring up a valid point, and I've heard that
before that you get younger voters, they aren't as offended
by steroids. And I had Tim Kirchin on the show
recently and I said, it is a museum, and there's
a lot of things in museums that aren't attached to
good people, but they're still in a museum. Are we
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treating the Hall of Fame like it's a little to
pristine instead of let's use it to tell the story
of Baseball.
Speaker 11 (25:17):
All due respect Dan, because you know I idolize you.
I hate that argument.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Hate it. It is a museum and he's in that museum.
Pete Rose is in that museum.
Speaker 11 (25:28):
That doesn't mean they get a plaque. The plot is
the ultimate in the Baseball Hall of Fame. So there
are displays. You've got Pete Rose's back there, You've got
Alex Rodriguez something from the two thousand and nine World Series.
So everybody is represented in the story of baseball. But
just because it's a museum doesn't mean that they have
to get a plaque. And that's where I would draw
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the line. And as for the I think you bring
up a great point about it's treated as if it's
a church. It's a sacrament, it's sacrilegious. Would let somebody
in that I don't like? And I love the way
the baseball writers hold on to this and do treat
it that way. But the one thing that they've messed
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up on, because I just watched the Pete Rose documentary
on Max, the fact that they were ever had that
Pete Rose vote taken out of their hands. They should
have said, we will never vote for another player unless
you let us vote for Pete Rose. That doesn't mean
Pete Rose deserves to get in, but they should be
the ones that decide.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Once it was taken out of their hands.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
It shows you how much they just love that vote
and how much it means to them, because they should
have stepped away and said, unless you give us a
chance to vote on this guy, because we've done right
by this hall, we've kept bad guys out, we've kept
pd guys out.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
We should be allowed to vote for Pete Rose.
Speaker 11 (26:47):
And once the Baseball Hall of Fame took that out
of their hands, they should say, Okay, find another way
to vote people in because we're out. But they didn't
do that, and that's on them.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well, you get people have this argument, Michael, and that
is Hey bomb was a Hall of Famer before he cheated.
Hey Clemens was a Hall of And I said, it
doesn't matter, like you could be Father of the Year
in two thousand and eight and then all of a sudden,
you're abusing your wife, Like just because you were something
doesn't mean that's what you are. It's the totality of
your career. And I never buy that. Was Bond's a
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Hall of Famer, Yes he was, well on his way Clemens,
I don't think was until he went to Toronto and
then after that that thing's changed there. Sammy Sosa's name
never comes up as one of those guys like what
about I mean, he had four seasons of hitting over
sixty home runs.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It feels like Bonds Clemens, but never Sosa. So I
don't like we kind of pick and choose who should shouldn't,
why they should, why they shouldn't, And even Pete, if
you cheat when you're in graduate school, I don't take
away your undergraduate degree. If he bet as a manager.
Now do I think he bet as a player?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I don't have any you know, any reference with that,
but I just do. I don't think he started once
he became a manager. But I can't take away what
he did as an undergrad. Michael that he that's a
Hall of Fame baseball career. And I know what he
did as a manager. He bet on baseball.
Speaker 11 (28:13):
Well, p Rose is a really complicated case because the
only thing to have proof of is in fact that
he bet as a manager.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
He never bet as a player. He would not be
getting in as a manager.
Speaker 11 (28:22):
He'd be getting in his guy with the most hits
in the history of baseball. But it's a it's a
tough thing to delineate on and say, Okay, you separate
the guy because I'm sure you Shoe was Shoe Jackson
never bet on baseball, you know, the Black Sox scandal.
Should he be in because of the stuff he did
before that? I think it's the one whole thing. It's
not just like, it's not a sizzle of buffet to
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get the whole thing?
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Could we should we look at Aaron Judges the single
season home run chimp.
Speaker 11 (28:53):
I think that I don't want to cop out, but
I think that's everybody's individual preference. If you if you
look at bombs and you think that it would Bill
gotten Gains and Sosa and Maguire.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Than he is.
Speaker 11 (29:04):
If you think, okay, everybody was doing it, there were
pitchers that were doing it, then he's not the best
thing he has going for him is at least he
knows he's the American League single season home run record holder.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
Is he better than?
Speaker 11 (29:18):
The sad part is Dan he had the worst April
that you could possibly have the worst. If he actually
had just a decent April, they'd be people talking about
him getting seventy three, and then he would erase all
of this nonsense and there'd be no more asterisks anymore.
But the fact that he had a bad April means
that he's going to go for sixty two again and
probably not going to go for seventy three.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
You think he could hit seventy three.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
I do. I do now.
Speaker 11 (29:44):
As he gets older, I think it becomes less likely.
But if he had that great if he had in
April where he had nine home runs rather than what
he did have, I mean he hit him are two
hundred in April. He looked lost where people were saying
something's wrong with him. He just didn't have enough at
bats in spring training. If he had a decent April,
I think he'd be making a run at seventy three.
I really do, because he is so locked in right
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now and it's not just brute ball force that he
does out there. He's really thinking up there, and he's
become a much more cerebral hitter. I think he could
have done it this year.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
I don't know. Next year is a year older, I'm
not sure, but this year he could have done it.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And you see right handed hitters, you know that they
used the entire field. I remember Dale Murphy, you know,
kept saying that they you know, there were pitches that
he could hit out of the park to right center,
and he became really good at doing that because he
was trying to pull everything. And I see, Judge like,
that's a smart hitter. Even if you don't hit a
home run. Use the pitch to your advantage, use the
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ballpark to your advantage. So you can see a thought
process when he's up there. A lot of these guys
just go up there and swing, but he's thinking that
he's in there.
Speaker 11 (30:51):
Also, Yankee Stadium is built for him, so just a
fly ball or right field. I'm not saying he has
a lot of these home runs because most of them
go four hundred and fifty feet, But it's good if
you're going to break a record, to have one dunk
in to the short fortune right two or three times
a year because that gives you a little bit of
a run. He's just a brilliant, brilliant hitter. And again,
I did not envision a guy who's going to hit
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over three hundred when he hit the fifty two home
runs as a rookie. He's just he's gotten so much
better as a baseball player and so much smarter. And really, Dan,
I don't know if you've ever stood next to him,
he's a giant. They're on baseball players that look like that.
I mean, I'm six foot four and I feel small
next to him. Paul O'Neil is six foot six and
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he's looking up at him. It's just an amazing thing
that a guy that size could have that kind of
athletic ability and also the computer of a brain to
process all the information that's coming his way for him
to hit three hundred, and he's one of the few
home run hitters Dan that really does care about batting average.
He's not Joey Gallo who's willing to hit forty and
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hit one seventy. He takes a lot of pride to
hitting three hundred, and he's going to hit three hundred,
might even win the batting title that Bobby with Junior
goes into a little bit of a slump.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Great to talk to you. You're in postseason four, You're
ready to go. Don't screw it up, Mike, Mike, thank you, Michael,
thank you. That's Michael kay Yankee, play by play broadcaster
on Yes Network.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (32:28):
I was curious the last time Clemson came into a
game as an underdog of ten or more points. September
of twenty twelve, Clemson tenth in the country, fourteen and
a half point underdog at number four Florida State. Florida
State won that game forty nine thirty seven, twelve point
underdog against Georgia. Coming up on Saturday. He's Mike Sando
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back on the program, senior NFL writer at the Athletic
and he has ranked the quarterbacks different tiers here, so
it's not ranking him now. This is yearlyad that he
does this. And for the first time since twenty sixteen,
only three quarterbacks landed in Tier one. Aaron Rodgers not
there for the first time in the eleven year history
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that he's been doing it. Mike, good to see you again. Now,
based on your rankings, the lowest ranked quarterback who will
start Week one is.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
Who probably Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 12 (33:25):
By to scroll all the way down, Jehog Verssett is
just seen as a really great backup quarterback and somebody
you wouldn't probably want to have start the whole season.
So it may be a little unfair to compare him
to the other guys that are earning a lot more money.
But we wanted to have all the veteran starters represented,
and I think that probably accurately reflects how even the
Patriots feel about him. They want him to start, but
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probably not for too long.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Did you think about putting Mahomes on his own tier?
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Well?
Speaker 9 (33:54):
I did.
Speaker 12 (33:55):
First off, to do this ranking, I talked to fifty
coaches and execs.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
In the league.
Speaker 12 (34:00):
In GM's eight head coaches, a dozen coordinators, a bunch
of people. So it's their rankings really based on their
criteria that I've gleaned from them. And one of the
comments was from one of the guys I spoke with,
can we have a tier zero for Mahomes?
Speaker 9 (34:12):
Because I think Mahomes is.
Speaker 12 (34:13):
Different Historically, Dan, if you look at the multiple championship
winning quarterbacks, you can start Bradshaw, Joe Montana, get into
Aikman far Brady. They usually did it with not just
good defenses, but elite. The forty nine ers led the
league in fewest points allowed.
Speaker 9 (34:34):
In the eighties.
Speaker 12 (34:35):
People don't really know that Mahomes in nineteen and twenty
two won the Super Bowl on teams that weren't even
top half of the league, and then last year's defense
was good and he was able to win it without
as good of an offense. But that is a differentiator
to me, not just among the quarterbacks playing today, but
it's hard to find guys who win multiple championships without
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really good defenses. That's why Brady and that's why Rogers
and Breeze great quarterbacks Hall of Famers, one ring each.
That was the missing component. They couldn't overcome it. Mahomes has.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
So you have three quarterbacks on Tier one, Mahomes and
then the other two quarterbacks.
Speaker 12 (35:18):
Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, with Lamar Jackson just next missing
Tier one by about three votes.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
But if I factor in turnovers here with Josh Allen,
like how do you quantify the turnovers? And he's had
more turnovers than any other quarterback.
Speaker 12 (35:35):
I don't think any Whenever I talked to coaches or executives,
they never start talking about stats. They're not the number
one reason that Allen wasn't higher and unanimous. He got
eleven votes lower than Tier one was because of the turnovers.
Sometimes he just risks the football too much. They do
feel though he can not only carry an offense. One
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of the key components of Tier one for people in
the league is how expertly do you handle the peer
pass situations? Meaning we strip away the run game, we
even strip away your scrambling. Can you drop back to
win the game when we're down and throw and throw
and throw? And they do feel that, not only mahomes
but Burrow and Alan do that just to tick better
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than the other quarterbacks that are below them in the league.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
You know, guys who played the position they love Burrow
like they they really they Now, the sample size isn't
as big for me as I think it needs to
be to look at his greatness. I mean we saw
it in college. Obviously they did get to the super Bowl.
He's been banged up a little bit, but it's amazing
how these former quarterbacks look at him and they they
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see something you know, Montana like like really really special, obvious.
Not mahomes Ian, but what is it about Burrow that
makes him, you know, one of the you know, two
best quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 12 (37:00):
Three toughness, swag, and just incredible passing ability. I think
he's really a good just has an amazing feel for
the game. The defensive guys marvel about him too. More
than one defensive coordinator told me about the time their
team played him. Beat the snot out of them, hit him,
and the defensive linemen are coming back to the coach going,
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oh my gosh, this is a real guy. So I
think he really does have You know, he takes a
lot of boxes. Now people, all the worry is he
takes too many hits, and these had too many injuries.
Usually the great quarterbacks don't miss games. I mean even
you know these guys who played for a long time,
they have two hundred starts in a row. If they're
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Rivers or some of the ELI, some of your guys
or yeah, farv and so that's the weird thing. One
defensive coach wh's played him a number of times said,
the guy doesn't fall right.
Speaker 9 (37:51):
I don't know if.
Speaker 12 (37:52):
There's some science to that, but usually these guys like
Burrow have such a great feel for the game that
they kind of avoid some of those injuries. How do
you evaluate rock Perdy Well, So Brock Purdy moved up
thirteen spots from last year. He was a little bit
of a provisional guy last year because he didn't have
as many starts coming in.
Speaker 9 (38:13):
But here's what I think.
Speaker 12 (38:14):
Everybody points to Kyle Shanahan and the weaponry, and I.
Speaker 9 (38:18):
Think that's rightly so.
Speaker 12 (38:20):
But if you're just a consistent producer, you're going to
move solidly into Tier two. And if he were to
do this for ten years straight, he'd probably find his
way into Tier one. But when people play him, they're
not like, oh my god, there's not some amazing superpower
that he has that wows you. You just can't discount
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the production when it's that good and consistent. So I
think that's why he's in tier two. He's kind of
in the bottom half of Tier two. I bet you
he could come up to the middle. But I do
see a little bit of a line. If you look
at the first four guys in Tier two, Lamar, Herbert, Stafford, Rogers,
those guys are like it's a debate. They get a
ton of tier one ers, you know, tier one votes.
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I'm not sure Perdy. We'll see if Perdy is going
to get that, you know, maybe maybe he leads them
to the Super Bowl win, and that does it.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
If I I think we looked at the numbers the
other day, Mahomes has had the best start of a
career I think of any quarterback in the modern era. Ye,
but if I look at him and Brady at twenty seven,
twenty eight years of age, is that a fair comparison.
I gives Brady second to Mahomes if we look at
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that first, you know, five years, six years in the league.
Speaker 9 (39:38):
I think he is.
Speaker 12 (39:39):
Because I think the composition of that New England team,
they were so good defensively from the from the start,
and he was amazing. Unless not, I mean we're comparing
a Ferrari and a Lamborghini here, so or not discounting
Tom Brady at all. But I do look at a
degree of difficulty, and to me, the way you look
at that is just what are the things that the
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quarterback can't control an influence? Yeah, you can put your
defense in a better position or a worse position, but.
Speaker 9 (40:06):
That is what I look at.
Speaker 12 (40:07):
Defense and even special teams was was lights out I
think for most of the Belichick era. So to me,
it's been a little bit higher degree of difficulty, with
probably more placed on the quarterback earlier. I think the way,
you know, the mobility of Mahomes and his resourcefulness that way,
you know, has probably put a little bit more of
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it on his back than it was for Brady that early.
You look at Tom Brady going along when they get
to seven and they had the weaponry, then I think he,
you know, was really putting it on his shoulders more.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Talking to Mike Sando's senior NFL writer at the athletic
and eleven year history of ranking these quarterbacks in different tiers,
and for the first time in the eleven year history,
Aaron Rodgers is not in that tier one. How do
you assess Rogers now or how did the coaches assess Rogers?
Speaker 12 (40:57):
Yeah, I think everybody. Most people feel that if he's healthy,
he's still a top tier quarterback. But he got votes
in like four tiers. I mean, it's kind of silly,
but there's a lot of uncertainty. There's some feeling among
people that hey, he wasn't quite as good at the
end of Green Bay, then doesn't last very long New Environment,
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whole season on turf. All sort of believe it when
I see it. So a good number of people, I
think twenty three put him in tier one, but eighteen
people that put him in Tier two are probably thinking
that I'm just gonna knock him down a tier because
there is some uncertainty.
Speaker 9 (41:31):
And then there was a minority of.
Speaker 12 (41:32):
People nine that put him in that put him lower
than that, and I think they're saying, hey, the decline
has started. It's gonna be hard for him to recapture
what he was, So we'll see.
Speaker 9 (41:45):
I can't wait. That's one of the things this season
you just can't wait for, is like what Rogers are
going to get?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
How do you look at the rookie quarterbacks?
Speaker 12 (41:55):
So Caleb Williams would be the one I think people
are most excited about and optimistic about, and then I
do believe that it would be Jaden Daniels next. And
then I feel like there's a split on may you know,
just some of the people that I've I've talked to,
you get a little bit more of disagreement of how
good they think he can be. And then you go
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on to Pennix, who I personally really liked him and
just as a pastor in college, but it seems like
a lot of people think he's more of a finished product,
and they wonder how much better he's going to get.
So we'll see about that. JJ McCarthy. I think we're
just going to have to wait on and then bo Nix.
It's really all the fit with Peyton. I think if
you like bo Nix, you like Sean Payton, and you're
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betting on that combination more than necessarily the skill set
of bo Nix or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Well, a lot of good stuff, a lot of good
information here. It's at the Athletic and it's Mike Sandos,
column senior NFL writer there. Good to talk to you again, Mike.
Good luck, have fun in the upcoming season.
Speaker 9 (42:59):
Thank you you too.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
That's a Mike Sando and join the Athletic. He spent
twelve years I think at the mothership, the Pro Football
Hall of Fame voter.
Speaker 13 (43:07):
Yes, Paul, I'm with you on the Mahomes thing. It
does feel like he's earned the right to have his
own tier. And it's weird that I'm actually a little bothered.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
By you're bothered by it.
Speaker 13 (43:16):
Well, it's like Joe Burrow and Josh Allen, their careers
really aren't that close to Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
No, it's a big he's a lapping the Field. I
guess I'm surprised.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
It feels like there's this negative blowback on Josh Allen
that he can't win the big one here, can't handle
the big moment there, he too many turnovers, whatever it
might be. I always feel like when he's playing, Buffalo
has a chance to win, and I can't say that
about every quarterback. I feel like because of him they
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can win a game. Burrow, I feel that way. Mahomes,
I feel that way. And then it starts to get
a little diceier where you're going, all Right, Do I
fully believe that that quarterback can somehow find a way
to win a game, and that sometimes is the real
litmus test, at least for me.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yes? Yes, uh, Marvin, Yes it is.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Marvin Hey, Marvin Hey, is this the perfect store for
Josh Allen to win MVP? No, Stefan Diggs. Everyone's kind
of down to you guys this year. Not expecting you
guys to be Super Bowl contenders.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Might be harder.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I mean, I guess the storyline is there, but he's
still got to produce. And these you, these young receivers,
they got to be able to step up. And they
do have young talent there and a couple of good
tight ends, but trying to assess this handicap this. You know,
the draft is loaded with people where we go. Man
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didn't see that one for a variety of reasons, either
really good or really bad. Dak Prescott had something to
say about his owner, Jerry Jones. The coverage doesn't always
match the headline here because it feels like Dak Prescott
takes a shot at his owner. Here is Dak Prescott
and it starts with the reporter's question.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
Jerry said, the negotiation isn't about your merit as the
Cowboys quarterback, but more about there. What do you take
from that when he says, you know, it's not really
about what you're doing.
Speaker 14 (45:13):
Well, yeah, I understand that that's the business and the
nature of this this game that we play. Uh yeah,
I mean I stopped honestly listening to things that he
says to the media a long time ago, so it
doesn't really hold away with me.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Okay, Now if I just printed that as opposed to
you hearing that, you would have a different take on that.
He was also asked about is he going to get
a contract before the season starts?
Speaker 14 (45:38):
As I said, well, back in camp it's too. It's
two parts of this. Both sides have to come to
the room.
Speaker 15 (45:43):
You don't need a deal done before the season. I
don't need to know, no, do what you like it
done before the season. I think it says a lot
if it is or if it isn't. But however, it
doesn't doesn't really matter to me, to be honest with
you if it isn't. Just how people feel.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Okay, And I applaud the reporter, good follow up question there.
But if I'm Dak Prescott, I'm not Once the season starts,
I'm going to play this out because you had your time,
nothing's changed. I am who I am, and you know
what the market's going to be. And then if you
play well, I mean, didn't he get a new deal after,
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you know, messing up his ankle breaking his ankle? Like
I think he's okay. And he handles this well, he
really does, because this is every day. This is many
times a day people want to ask you about this,
pin you down.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Relationship with Jerry, relationship with c.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
D Lamb, you know, your place amongst the great quarter,
like all of this stuff. And I think he handles
it extremely well because that's not easy, not many quarterbacks
get all of these questions all of the time, and
Dak Prescott does. It goes along with the territory being
the Cowboys quarterback. But hey, if he plays well, that's
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on himself. Get to the off season, they're gonna be
teams waiting to sign him. Let me take a break,
last call for phone calls? What we learn, what's in
store tomorrow? And Todd has his rhyme time. We're all
excited for rhyme time. Come on, kay, now did that
sound fake.
Speaker 7 (47:24):
A little bit?
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Okay?
Speaker 9 (47:26):
Good catch?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
You see right through us, don't you? Okay?
Speaker 7 (47:32):
True?
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Oh okay, Now you're you're gonna be his buddy. Don't
listen to okay?
Speaker 4 (47:37):
You know how that you know your microphone is on.
I can hear what you're saying. You know how they
aren't listen
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. How did we get here? And where are
we going? Ceedee Lamb got paid. We knew he was
going to get paid. We knew that he would get
paid before the season started. I thought it was a
non story because all of these wide receivers are getting paid.
The question is he's not going to get Justin Jefferson money.
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Is he going to get maybe just a little bit less.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So we're here in the low thirties to maybe mid thirties,
and at what point do we get to forty million
dollars for a wide receiver. I remember talking about TJ.
Watt and how important it was that he was going
to be the first defensive player to get thirty million
dollars in a season. Now, Micah Parsons, who knows what
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he's going to get? And if you're looking at the
most important positions, obviously it's quarterback. And then we could
have a debate on edge rusher or wide receiver. Wide
receivers are getting paid. You still have Jamar Chase who's
out there, and I don't know if Jamar Chase is
going I should be paid more than Justin Jefferson Now,
he's probably going to ask for more than that. I'm
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sure Ceedee Lamb asked for more than that. But you
eventually get around too. This is where you're slotted. And
I remember when AJ Brown signed his deal and I thought,
if I'm Jerry Jones, I say to Ceedee Lamb, I'm
going to give you a little bit more than AJ Brown. Now,
I don't know if Cede Lamb would have said okay,
or his agent would have said it felt like the
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longer this went, the more receivers who were signed, the
more expensive it was going to be for Cede Lamb.
Now you're going to get this conversation today. What does
Cdee Lamb's signing mean for Dak Prescott. I don't think
they're related other than they play for the same team.
I don't think Dak Prescott signs a deal. If I'm
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Dak Prescott, I wouldn't sign a deal because if the
Cowboys don't like at this point, the Cowboys know Dak
is their future or he's not, it's not one of
those no, I don't know, Let's see him play another season.
If I'm Dak Prescott, you probably say I've done everything
I can do, Like I'm playing at a pretty high level.
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I was an MVP. Now you can counter that by saying,
but what do you do in the postseason? And that's fair.
But if he doesn't re sign with the Cowboys or
he goes out to the open market, he's going to
get paid because look at the quarterbacks who are going
to be available. Look at the quarterbacks in this year's draft,
there's nobody where you go got to get him. Now,
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we had a few of them in this draft. But
next year, and at least right now, I don't know
if somebody goes Quinn yours now you want them on
that rookie deal. But as far as quarterbacks are, I mean,
Kirk Cousins got paid by Atlama and then they drafted
a quarterback. He will find a taker. You know, maybe
it's the Raiders a team like that. But he's going
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to get paid, whether it's with the Cowboys or not.
But the longer they wait, now there's no other quarterbacks
who are going to be signed. You know, before the
start of the season, everybody is all signed up. So
he knows sort of where he's going to get paid.
He knows that sweet spot. And if the Cowboys don't
pay him. Somebody else will. But if I'm Dak Prescott,
I have to bet on myself again, and it certainly
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helps that you have Ceedee Lamb there. That'll make it
a whole lot easier if Ceedee Lamb wasn't there. And
if I'm Dak Prescott, I'm like, it'd be nice if
we had him. You knew eventually he was going to
get in camp. Now the question is he going to
be ready to go? This is where you get those
soft tissue injuries where they're just nagging you know. Is
he going to be able to play? Is he going
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to be limited first couple of games there? But Ceedee
Lamb got paid. I'm not surprised. He's a wonderful player
and you can make a case he's the best receiver
in football. And with Dak Prescott as his quarterback as
opposed to Sam Darnold, with Justin Justin Jefferson, that might
be the best combo platter that we have in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
All right, set, let's the Polk question that we have today.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Let's see we got one here from Paulie. If you
were betting Chiefs or the field, we.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Don't do the Tiger Woods thing in football very often.
But with the Chiefs, I would say, I'll take the Chiefs.
I think I would take the Chiefs, like I've learned.
It's one of those where you want to deny something
that's so obvious. You're like, I can't like even doing
the show. You're like, if I do the Chiefs people
(04:31):
and go, oh wow, I really went out on a limb.
But deep down, you go, they should win. Denver might
be a little bit better, Chargers might be a little
bit better. Raiders are probably going to be the same.
So you might have twelve thirteen wins. Now you're hosting games.
Now the Dolphins have to go to Kansas City where
(04:53):
Cincinnati has to go there or the raven You know,
remember when Miami went there it didn't go well. So
I'm you got to look at it and go, Okay,
what's my record in my division overall record, and what
do I think is going to happen in other divisions
here You've got to kind of handicap it that way
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because you want to be at home as for as
many of those, you know, playoff games as possible. Certainly
if you're a team like the Miami Dolphins where weather
hasn't been their friend. Buffalo is not afraid to go anywhere,
Cincinnati's not afraid to go anywhere, Kansas City's not afraid
to go anywhere. Then you have San Francisco, Philadelphia, Detroit.
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So you know, there's probably seven teams, eight teams right
now that you say could go to a super Bowl.
How many can win a super Bowl? So it's it's
not a long list. I know we're all hopeful. If
you're a fan base with a team like the Titans,
you're like, you know, maybe we could, maybe we could
kind of sneak in there as a wild card team.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Everybody has hope.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That hope is going to dissipate probably after about a month,
and then you're gonna go, Okay, we kind of know
who we are. Like, if I'm an Atlanta Falcon fan,
I'm excited because I have a good offense, Like I
have a really good offense, and that's a division you
could win. But if I'm Tampa, I feel pretty good.
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So there's certain teams that you go I feel maybe
a little bit better. If I'm a Bears fan, I
feel better. I don't know if they'll make the playoffs.
I said they would green Bay. All right, now, you're
not a surprise. You're not gonna sneak up on anybody.
The Texans, You're not going to sneak up on anybody
this year. Somebody's going up and somebody's coming down. But
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that's sort of the beauty of what the NFL tries to,
you know, put forth every single year. They want parody,
They want a surprise team or two. They want you know,
nine and eight, eight and nine, you know that's they're
fine with that. Ten and seven. Everybody's kind of bunched
in there. You're gonna have a couple of teams that
are probably going to have twelve thirteen win seasons, and
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then those are the teams are going to be hosting
playoff games. So I would probably go Kansas City. I
would because I don't think Kansas City played well last year.
I really don't. That game against the Raiders that was
eye opening late in the season and I went, wow,
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they are vulnerable. But that was a wake up call.
Andy Reid talked about that that they kind of needed that,
and then we realized they're a defensive first team. Imagine
having the most valuable player in the sport. But it's
the defense that's more valuable to that team, or at
least it was last year when they needed it most
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to win a Super Bowl. Mahomes is great. We know
that the defense was the big surprise there. You got Pacheco,
you got Kelsey, like you have enough, and then you're
hoping some of these other receivers, whether it's a rookie receiver,
somebody who has bounced around a little bit, Mahomes will
make them better. But I would say I probably have
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fewer questions about Kansas City. That doesn't mean I'm going
to pick them when I make my Super Bowl pick
next week.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
What other pole question do you have that's Tod?
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Go ahead, bring on the game.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Now, that's a different era Todd. Todd does that in
the hallway.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
He'll just be walking around and he loves to do
theme songs of TV shows.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
All right, what else do you have here?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
See, well, we're looking at the sort of explosion of
wide receiver contract. Yes, more valuable to your team wide receiver?
Or do we put an edge rusher defensive end? Okay,
who's more valuable for the Cowboys. Let's just start there
with Michael Parsons CD Lamb. Who's more valuable.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You could have a really good argument there because they're
both impactful.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Ceedee Lamb had crazy numbers last year.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Michael parsons, I don't know what his sack total was,
but if I put sack total and hurries in there,
what kind of numbers does that compare to Max Crosby
or TJ Watt or you throw out whoever. Man feels
like it's the wide receiver, you know now, like it's
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twenty times when Tyreek Hill got paid and I thought, wow,
you know, I's twenty eight million dollars for a receiver,
and then all of a sudden people started jumping past that.
And then I I was told by somebody with the
affiliated with the Dolphins, They're like, oh, Tyreek's gonna wait
till everybody's done, and then he wants to get paid
more than everybody else. So it feels like there's more
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wide receivers getting paid than edge rushers. You know what,
do we have five edge rushers? Like Vosa's in there?
Who am I missing from the Miles Garrett's in there?
So you got five guys that you think of that
are you know? Well, that guy can turn a game
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around a difference maker. Yes, Marvin is Chris Jones considered
an edge rusher or DT. I just I just look
at him as a football player, like he's Aaron Donald,
I got it. He just he's gonna make plays, and
he does make plays in big, big moments. But I
would just call him a football player. He's sort of
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that hybrid. What do you need me to do? And
then I end up doing it nine days until the
NFL opener, and today it's cutdown day. Imagine this scenario.
And Ross Tucker so eloquently told us about what it's
like to be the biggest name in your hometown. You
were the star of the high school team, you go
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to college, now you're in the NFL. And then all
of a sudden, wait a minute, why is Ross Tucker
at the Wendy's. I just saw him. He's at the
dry in he planned football. So your whole identity for
the first time in your life is just chopped off
at the knees.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And he said, you go home.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And everybody asked the same thing, because you can't miss
a big football player when he's in town. Back in town, everybody, Oh,
you knew who I saw today? And Ross talked about
that these guys have been All American, five star, four star,
three star, that everywhere they've gone, and now you go
to the NFL and you're just you're holding on for
(12:02):
one of those fifty three spots on the roster, and
then all of a sudden, come on in and bring
your playbook, and now you've got to go home, like
you don't even get on the practice squad.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
At least on the practice squad. You're still on the
team technically, but when you're not a professional football player.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
And I'm sure that it's embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Some may find it humiliating that you've been a star
football player. That's your identity until it's not your identity,
and then you go home and you just sit there
and then you hope that somebody's going to give you
a chance, maybe somebody gets injured, maybe you get to
go back. But I just I can't imagine what that
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must feel like, that that's who you are, that's your identity,
and all of a sudden, it's not your identity, and
now you're a former football player.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Yeah, Marvin, Yeah, I knew a guy that played college
football around my hometown and big Jack running Bag and
he played and he I forgot what team it was,
but he made the last cut and he was selling
insurance now and everyone's like, oh man, you're a big
guy used to play football.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
He's like, I try. I believe me.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
I may like the last cut a couple of years
in a row.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yes, Todd.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 8 (13:16):
What do you do for a living where you're not
constantly running into old high school friends and people are like,
what are you? You're working in the mall or you're
working in that selling shoes or whatever you're doing until
you can, you know, re find some other team that
might be interested in you. You have to go home
and you can't just crawl under the bed. You got
to kind of move all of your life.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, and I think you just work out.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I think you have to keep working out because your
window of opportunity is going to close.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
It's already closing.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And then maybe you get a chance with somebody else,
and then the following you know, summer, you're going to
try out for a team again, and then you may
be faced with reality of I'm not going to play anymore.
Speaker 9 (13:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
It's a weird thing though, that like we're sort of
talking about, because it's like like Oh, hey, loser, you
only made the What happened? I thought you played for
five years and now you're not there? What a loser like?
Uh no, he made it further than like pretty much
ninety nine percent of anybody, you know. Yeah, well it's
that's something that you need to like hang your head
(14:14):
in shame over.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Well, I think the player does. I don't know if
the reaction from you know, everyday people, but when they
see you, they're probably like, oh god, Lee, Well hopefully
you'll get on a roster again. Everywhere you go, you're
gonna get questions about that. When you go back to
your hometown. Hey, aren't you playing anymore?
Speaker 7 (14:38):
No?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Not this year? Well, what happened?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I didn't make that. You don't say you got cut. Ah,
didn't make the fifty three man roster doesn't sound as bad.
Didn't make the fifty three man roster, yes, Marv.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
And the crazy thing about football is it's not like
you can go play overseas. It's not basketball. If you
don't make the Lakers. I can go play in the
G League, or I can go play in Europe or
Australia or whatever. It's it's just here. And maybe the
XFL or something like that, but there's no there's no
real options after that.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
All right, we'll get phone calls coming up eight seven
to seven to three DP show. We will settle on
a poll question. We have a football quiz coming up,
and once again, next hour, Matthew Berry will join us
on loan from NBC in Peaconcky's Mister Fantasy Football and
give you some of his advice free of charge. Also
maybe some late round sleepers. That's really when you get
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that guy and you go what round did you get him?
And it'd be like next to last, and then all
of a sudden that guy has a breakout season.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
That's how you win.
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Speaker 7 (16:28):
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Speaker 2 (16:32):
He's the voice of the Yankees. He's Michael ka back
on the program. Mike, thanks for joining us. If I
would have told you before the season started, Aaron Judge
would be on pace to hit sixty home runs, again,
you would have said what.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
I would say.
Speaker 11 (16:47):
I could see it happening, but it wasn't likely because
you know, in twenty twenty two, we felt that that
was a once in a lifetime thing. So I wouldn't
bet on it because I just think that these are
so unusual. But now I start to think that if
he didn't run into the wall at Dodger Stadium last year,
maybe he would have made a run at sixty as well.
He's just on that kind of role right now where
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he's the best hitter in baseball.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I wondered about his swing or I wonder about his
swing when you first saw him and it felt like
somebody that size and having a long swing. Could he
continue to have that success when his bat you know,
slowed down. He's thirty two and having probably the best
year of his career. So how do you handicap that
swing of his as he you know, gets to be
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thirty five, thirty six years of age.
Speaker 11 (17:33):
You know what, He's a really smart player, Dan, and
I think that what he's done is he's turned it
into a science because he actually cares about batting average
at his strikeouts are actually down from his rookie year
when he hit fifty two home runs that year.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
I mean I even talked to Joe Girardi about it.
You know, nobody could envision this.
Speaker 11 (17:51):
Nobody could have dreamed this big, that he'd be a
three thirty hitter and be on face for sixty three
home runs.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
But that's what he is.
Speaker 11 (17:58):
So you would be led to believe that if in fact,
he's going to get older and you know, the laws
of physics take over and he's gonna have a slower back,
I think he'll be able to make it work. I
think he's got a lot more in the tank. Remember
he got called up late because he went to college.
So if he wants to do great things in a
compiling sense, he's got to hit till he's thirty seven,
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and I think he's going.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
To Who's having a better season Aaron Judge or Shoe
Heeyo TONI.
Speaker 11 (18:28):
I think Judge is simply because of the fact that
he's playing the field. You know, Otani's unbelievable. He's stolen
over forty bases, and that's something that Judge doesn't do.
I think Judge could steal more bases if he wanted to,
but it's imperative that he stay healthy. But he's playing
center field most of the time, so I'd say that
he's probably having a better season.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Was there ever a time when you thought, or maybe
Yankee fans thought you were getting Otani?
Speaker 7 (18:56):
I thought at the beginning they did.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
I mean that's the reason the Yankees have standing because
once they lost out on Otani, they really thought that
they were going to get Otani, and then they pivoted
and made the trade for Stanton And I remember sitting
next to Otani on the day I said a baseball
writer's dinner in New York and you know, he had
signed with the Angels and he said to me, said,
why are people so upset? I said, because they really
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wanted you to be a Yankee. He goes, well, maybe
one day, but that's not going to happen. I think
he likes it on the West Coast, and at the
end of this ten year contract, I don't think the
Yankees will pursue him.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
What about Juan Soto.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
I'm one of the people who believe this, and I
don't think it's something that people want to embrace. Everyone says, oh,
he loves being a Yankee, and the fans love him,
and they showed himsels love. He'll definitely sign with the Yankees.
He's definitely going to sign with the team that offers
him the most money. I mean, you don't have Scott
Boris as an agent to take a discount. That's just
not the way it works. And maybe it's going to
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be the Yankees that give him the most money. The
only thing I will actually bend a little bit on
Dan is if it's close.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
I think he is enjoying his time.
Speaker 11 (20:07):
He knows the power of hitting in front of Judge
and the fans and Soto from opening day.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
This year have had a love affair.
Speaker 11 (20:14):
So if there's a difference between a million dollars for
one year over a ten fifteen year period, I could
see him saying, Okay, go to the Yankees. But let's
say the Mets and Steve Cohen they offer him sixty
million a year and the Yankees offer him fifty. He
could love the Yankees all he wants. He loved being
with the Nationals and he turned down four hundred and
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forty million dollars. So I think it's going to come
down to a business transaction, and I think emotions are
going to be pushed to the side.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Best team in the American League is who.
Speaker 11 (20:47):
I think it's between the Yankees and the Orioles. But
if you want to ask me who do I fear
the most, it's probably the Astros. I don't think they're
the best team, but they have the institutional knowledge of happy.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
To get to the Alcay.
Speaker 11 (21:00):
So if I'm the Yankees of the Orioles, that would
be the team that scares me the most. I mean,
in an eye blink, they went from ten out to
buy five and a half, six over and in front
of the Mariners, and they got the Mariner manager fired
as well. So the astro scared me the most. And
I'd say that the Yankees and the Orioles are the
two best teams in the league.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
You look at a Yankee Dodger World Series.
Speaker 11 (21:25):
I would like that. That would be fun. I think
it would be good for baseball. I see Otani and
Judge on the same field. I think that would be great,
and it would bring me back to eighty one and
seventy seven and seventy eight. But I'll tell you what
on my radio show, Dan, all I take is Yankee
fans talking about this Judge sceness means nothing unless they
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go to the World Series. I mean that's the way
they've been programmed. So I really can't get upset with them.
But it's so hard to get to the World Series.
The last time a team went back to back was
the Yankee So there's just so many layers of playoffs
to get there. I mean, Brian Cashman calls it a
crop shoot. I don't know if it's quite a crop shoot,
but I do know it's really really tough to do.
(22:06):
So what I like to see the Yankees and the Dodgers.
Maybe the Yankees and the Philly Sure Yankees and the
Mets would be fun. I think there are legitimately ten
teams that could go to the World Series.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
What was your reaction when the story came out that
the Yankees could honor Alex Rodriguez.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Should honor or that they actually invited into Oldzheimer's Day.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Well, no, I thought that there was something about ay
Rod talking about, you know, being put out in Memorial
Park or out there with all the legends.
Speaker 11 (22:37):
A lot of people were asked that during Oldzheimer's Day.
I think the fact that Alex was invited to Oldtomer's Day,
if you asked me that six years ago, yeah, okay,
that's going to happen. So time does heal some wounds.
And when he was introduced to the crowd, there was
a lot of love that came his way that weren't booze.
There were cheers for sure, not the most of any
Yankee that still goes to Derek Jeter. I think it's
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a long from putting into Monument Park. I really do.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
I mean, this is a guy and I think if
you look.
Speaker 11 (23:05):
At his numbers, just look at his number, six hundred
and ninety six home runs, three MVPs, two of them
with the Yankees a great World Series running on nine,
he deserves to be out there for that. But this
guy was also suspended from baseball for year and he
was suing the team. So I mean, there have to
be a lot of a lot of wounds that have
to be healed before that would ever happen. I wouldn't
(23:26):
I would never say never, but it would be tough.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
But the Yankees love to celebrate these things, even though
I wouldn't celebrate a Rod with putting him out there.
And I misspoke Memorial Monument Park, but hey, it's the
Yankee franchise.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
They do what they want to do.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But it seems like a Rod's still like how do
you curry favor to get in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
And like, I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
He's been relevant doing the Fox Games, the ESPN stuff,
and then I just wonder, is he ever going to
get into the Baseball Hall of Fame having been popped
twice with steroids.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
I don't think he will.
Speaker 11 (24:04):
I don't think he will unless there's a seismic change
of the people that are voting. You know, people have said, well,
you know, people will die off and there'll be a
younger generation of voters. Okay, then it's ten years on
the ballot will be over and then it'll be the
hands of some kind of veterans committee.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
And I think a lot of the players want to
keep the PD guys out. The sad part is Dan.
Speaker 11 (24:25):
Of all the people that have been kept out, like
Bonds and Clemens and the like, the one that it
hurts the most is a Rod because he is such
a lover of baseball and he understands the history of
the game and what it means to be in Cooperstown
that would mean the world to him. But he also
knows that he messed up in a big way. So
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I'm not sure he'll ever get into Cooperstown.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
I'm just not.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You bring up a valid point, and I've heard that
before that you get younger voters, they aren't as offended
by steroids. And I had Tim Kirchin on the show
recently and I said, it is a museum, and there's
a lot of things in museums that aren't attached to
good people, but they're still in a museum. Are we
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treating the Hall of Fame like it's a little to
pristine instead of let's use it to tell the story
of Baseball.
Speaker 11 (25:17):
All due respect Dan, because you know I idolize you.
I hate that argument.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Hate it. It is a museum and he's in that museum.
Pete Rose is in that museum.
Speaker 11 (25:28):
That doesn't mean they get a plaque. The plot is
the ultimate in the Baseball Hall of Fame. So there
are displays. You've got Pete Rose's back there, You've got
Alex Rodriguez something from the two thousand and nine World Series.
So everybody is represented in the story of baseball. But
just because it's a museum doesn't mean that they have
to get a plaque. And that's where I would draw
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the line. And as for the I think you bring
up a great point about it's treated as if it's
a church. It's a sacrament, it's sacrilegious. Would let somebody
in that I don't like? And I love the way
the baseball writers hold on to this and do treat
it that way. But the one thing that they've messed
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up on, because I just watched the Pete Rose documentary
on Max, the fact that they were ever had that
Pete Rose vote taken out of their hands. They should
have said, we will never vote for another player unless
you let us vote for Pete Rose. That doesn't mean
Pete Rose deserves to get in, but they should be
the ones that decide.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Once it was taken out of their hands.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
It shows you how much they just love that vote
and how much it means to them, because they should
have stepped away and said, unless you give us a
chance to vote on this guy, because we've done right
by this hall, we've kept bad guys out, we've kept
pd guys out.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
We should be allowed to vote for Pete Rose.
Speaker 11 (26:47):
And once the Baseball Hall of Fame took that out
of their hands, they should say, Okay, find another way
to vote people in because we're out. But they didn't
do that, and that's on them.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well, you get people have this argument, Michael, and that
is Hey bomb was a Hall of Famer before he cheated.
Hey Clemens was a Hall of And I said, it
doesn't matter, like you could be Father of the Year
in two thousand and eight and then all of a sudden,
you're abusing your wife, Like just because you were something
doesn't mean that's what you are. It's the totality of
your career. And I never buy that. Was Bond's a
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Hall of Famer, Yes he was, well on his way Clemens,
I don't think was until he went to Toronto and
then after that that thing's changed there. Sammy Sosa's name
never comes up as one of those guys like what
about I mean, he had four seasons of hitting over
sixty home runs.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It feels like Bonds Clemens, but never Sosa. So I
don't like we kind of pick and choose who should shouldn't,
why they should, why they shouldn't, And even Pete, if
you cheat when you're in graduate school, I don't take
away your undergraduate degree. If he bet as a manager.
Now do I think he bet as a player?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I don't have any you know, any reference with that,
but I just do. I don't think he started once
he became a manager. But I can't take away what
he did as an undergrad. Michael that he that's a
Hall of Fame baseball career. And I know what he
did as a manager. He bet on baseball.
Speaker 11 (28:13):
Well, p Rose is a really complicated case because the
only thing to have proof of is in fact that
he bet as a manager.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
He never bet as a player. He would not be
getting in as a manager.
Speaker 11 (28:22):
He'd be getting in his guy with the most hits
in the history of baseball. But it's a it's a
tough thing to delineate on and say, Okay, you separate
the guy because I'm sure you Shoe was Shoe Jackson
never bet on baseball, you know, the Black Sox scandal.
Should he be in because of the stuff he did
before that? I think it's the one whole thing. It's
not just like, it's not a sizzle of buffet to
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get the whole thing?
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Could we should we look at Aaron Judges the single
season home run chimp.
Speaker 11 (28:53):
I think that I don't want to cop out, but
I think that's everybody's individual preference. If you if you
look at bombs and you think that it would Bill
gotten Gains and Sosa and Maguire.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Than he is.
Speaker 11 (29:04):
If you think, okay, everybody was doing it, there were
pitchers that were doing it, then he's not the best
thing he has going for him is at least he
knows he's the American League single season home run record holder.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
Is he better than?
Speaker 11 (29:18):
The sad part is Dan he had the worst April
that you could possibly have the worst. If he actually
had just a decent April, they'd be people talking about
him getting seventy three, and then he would erase all
of this nonsense and there'd be no more asterisks anymore.
But the fact that he had a bad April means
that he's going to go for sixty two again and
probably not going to go for seventy three.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
You think he could hit seventy three.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
I do. I do now.
Speaker 11 (29:44):
As he gets older, I think it becomes less likely.
But if he had that great if he had in
April where he had nine home runs rather than what
he did have, I mean he hit him are two
hundred in April. He looked lost where people were saying
something's wrong with him. He just didn't have enough at
bats in spring training. If he had a decent April,
I think he'd be making a run at seventy three.
I really do, because he is so locked in right
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now and it's not just brute ball force that he
does out there. He's really thinking up there, and he's
become a much more cerebral hitter. I think he could
have done it this year.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
I don't know. Next year is a year older, I'm
not sure, but this year he could have done it.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And you see right handed hitters, you know that they
used the entire field. I remember Dale Murphy, you know,
kept saying that they you know, there were pitches that
he could hit out of the park to right center,
and he became really good at doing that because he
was trying to pull everything. And I see, Judge like,
that's a smart hitter. Even if you don't hit a
home run. Use the pitch to your advantage, use the
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ballpark to your advantage. So you can see a thought
process when he's up there. A lot of these guys
just go up there and swing, but he's thinking that
he's in there.
Speaker 11 (30:51):
Also, Yankee Stadium is built for him, so just a
fly ball or right field. I'm not saying he has
a lot of these home runs because most of them
go four hundred and fifty feet, But it's good if
you're going to break a record, to have one dunk
in to the short fortune right two or three times
a year because that gives you a little bit of
a run. He's just a brilliant, brilliant hitter. And again,
I did not envision a guy who's going to hit
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over three hundred when he hit the fifty two home
runs as a rookie. He's just he's gotten so much
better as a baseball player and so much smarter. And really, Dan,
I don't know if you've ever stood next to him,
he's a giant. They're on baseball players that look like that.
I mean, I'm six foot four and I feel small
next to him. Paul O'Neil is six foot six and
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he's looking up at him. It's just an amazing thing
that a guy that size could have that kind of
athletic ability and also the computer of a brain to
process all the information that's coming his way for him
to hit three hundred, and he's one of the few
home run hitters Dan that really does care about batting average.
He's not Joey Gallo who's willing to hit forty and
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hit one seventy. He takes a lot of pride to
hitting three hundred, and he's going to hit three hundred,
might even win the batting title that Bobby with Junior
goes into a little bit of a slump.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Great to talk to you. You're in postseason four, You're
ready to go. Don't screw it up, Mike, Mike, thank you, Michael,
thank you. That's Michael kay Yankee, play by play broadcaster
on Yes Network.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
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Speaker 2 (32:28):
I was curious the last time Clemson came into a
game as an underdog of ten or more points. September
of twenty twelve, Clemson tenth in the country, fourteen and
a half point underdog at number four Florida State. Florida
State won that game forty nine thirty seven, twelve point
underdog against Georgia. Coming up on Saturday. He's Mike Sando
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back on the program, senior NFL writer at the Athletic
and he has ranked the quarterbacks different tiers here, so
it's not ranking him now. This is yearlyad that he
does this. And for the first time since twenty sixteen,
only three quarterbacks landed in Tier one. Aaron Rodgers not
there for the first time in the eleven year history
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that he's been doing it. Mike, good to see you again. Now,
based on your rankings, the lowest ranked quarterback who will
start Week one is.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
Who probably Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 12 (33:25):
By to scroll all the way down, Jehog Verssett is
just seen as a really great backup quarterback and somebody
you wouldn't probably want to have start the whole season.
So it may be a little unfair to compare him
to the other guys that are earning a lot more money.
But we wanted to have all the veteran starters represented,
and I think that probably accurately reflects how even the
Patriots feel about him. They want him to start, but
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probably not for too long.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Did you think about putting Mahomes on his own tier?
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Well?
Speaker 9 (33:54):
I did.
Speaker 12 (33:55):
First off, to do this ranking, I talked to fifty
coaches and execs.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
In the league.
Speaker 12 (34:00):
In GM's eight head coaches, a dozen coordinators, a bunch
of people. So it's their rankings really based on their
criteria that I've gleaned from them. And one of the
comments was from one of the guys I spoke with,
can we have a tier zero for Mahomes?
Speaker 9 (34:12):
Because I think Mahomes is.
Speaker 12 (34:13):
Different Historically, Dan, if you look at the multiple championship
winning quarterbacks, you can start Bradshaw, Joe Montana, get into
Aikman far Brady. They usually did it with not just
good defenses, but elite. The forty nine ers led the
league in fewest points allowed.
Speaker 9 (34:34):
In the eighties.
Speaker 12 (34:35):
People don't really know that Mahomes in nineteen and twenty
two won the Super Bowl on teams that weren't even
top half of the league, and then last year's defense
was good and he was able to win it without
as good of an offense. But that is a differentiator
to me, not just among the quarterbacks playing today, but
it's hard to find guys who win multiple championships without
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really good defenses. That's why Brady and that's why Rogers
and Breeze great quarterbacks Hall of Famers, one ring each.
That was the missing component. They couldn't overcome it. Mahomes has.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
So you have three quarterbacks on Tier one, Mahomes and
then the other two quarterbacks.
Speaker 12 (35:18):
Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, with Lamar Jackson just next missing
Tier one by about three votes.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
But if I factor in turnovers here with Josh Allen,
like how do you quantify the turnovers? And he's had
more turnovers than any other quarterback.
Speaker 12 (35:35):
I don't think any Whenever I talked to coaches or executives,
they never start talking about stats. They're not the number
one reason that Allen wasn't higher and unanimous. He got
eleven votes lower than Tier one was because of the turnovers.
Sometimes he just risks the football too much. They do
feel though he can not only carry an offense. One
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of the key components of Tier one for people in
the league is how expertly do you handle the peer
pass situations? Meaning we strip away the run game, we
even strip away your scrambling. Can you drop back to
win the game when we're down and throw and throw
and throw? And they do feel that, not only mahomes
but Burrow and Alan do that just to tick better
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than the other quarterbacks that are below them in the league.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
You know, guys who played the position they love Burrow
like they they really they Now, the sample size isn't
as big for me as I think it needs to
be to look at his greatness. I mean we saw
it in college. Obviously they did get to the super Bowl.
He's been banged up a little bit, but it's amazing
how these former quarterbacks look at him and they they
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see something you know, Montana like like really really special, obvious.
Not mahomes Ian, but what is it about Burrow that
makes him, you know, one of the you know, two
best quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 12 (37:00):
Three toughness, swag, and just incredible passing ability. I think
he's really a good just has an amazing feel for
the game. The defensive guys marvel about him too. More
than one defensive coordinator told me about the time their
team played him. Beat the snot out of them, hit him,
and the defensive linemen are coming back to the coach going,
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oh my gosh, this is a real guy. So I
think he really does have You know, he takes a
lot of boxes. Now people, all the worry is he
takes too many hits, and these had too many injuries.
Usually the great quarterbacks don't miss games. I mean even
you know these guys who played for a long time,
they have two hundred starts in a row. If they're
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Rivers or some of the ELI, some of your guys
or yeah, farv and so that's the weird thing. One
defensive coach wh's played him a number of times said,
the guy doesn't fall right.
Speaker 9 (37:51):
I don't know if.
Speaker 12 (37:52):
There's some science to that, but usually these guys like
Burrow have such a great feel for the game that
they kind of avoid some of those injuries. How do
you evaluate rock Perdy Well, So Brock Purdy moved up
thirteen spots from last year. He was a little bit
of a provisional guy last year because he didn't have
as many starts coming in.
Speaker 9 (38:13):
But here's what I think.
Speaker 12 (38:14):
Everybody points to Kyle Shanahan and the weaponry, and I.
Speaker 9 (38:18):
Think that's rightly so.
Speaker 12 (38:20):
But if you're just a consistent producer, you're going to
move solidly into Tier two. And if he were to
do this for ten years straight, he'd probably find his
way into Tier one. But when people play him, they're
not like, oh my god, there's not some amazing superpower
that he has that wows you. You just can't discount
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the production when it's that good and consistent. So I
think that's why he's in tier two. He's kind of
in the bottom half of Tier two. I bet you
he could come up to the middle. But I do
see a little bit of a line. If you look
at the first four guys in Tier two, Lamar, Herbert, Stafford, Rogers,
those guys are like it's a debate. They get a
ton of tier one ers, you know, tier one votes.
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I'm not sure Perdy. We'll see if Perdy is going
to get that, you know, maybe maybe he leads them
to the Super Bowl win, and that does it.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
If I I think we looked at the numbers the
other day, Mahomes has had the best start of a
career I think of any quarterback in the modern era. Ye,
but if I look at him and Brady at twenty seven,
twenty eight years of age, is that a fair comparison.
I gives Brady second to Mahomes if we look at
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that first, you know, five years, six years in the league.
Speaker 9 (39:38):
I think he is.
Speaker 12 (39:39):
Because I think the composition of that New England team,
they were so good defensively from the from the start,
and he was amazing. Unless not, I mean we're comparing
a Ferrari and a Lamborghini here, so or not discounting
Tom Brady at all. But I do look at a
degree of difficulty, and to me, the way you look
at that is just what are the things that the
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quarterback can't control an influence? Yeah, you can put your
defense in a better position or a worse position, but.
Speaker 9 (40:06):
That is what I look at.
Speaker 12 (40:07):
Defense and even special teams was was lights out I
think for most of the Belichick era. So to me,
it's been a little bit higher degree of difficulty, with
probably more placed on the quarterback earlier. I think the way,
you know, the mobility of Mahomes and his resourcefulness that way,
you know, has probably put a little bit more of
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it on his back than it was for Brady that early.
You look at Tom Brady going along when they get
to seven and they had the weaponry, then I think he,
you know, was really putting it on his shoulders more.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Talking to Mike Sando's senior NFL writer at the athletic
and eleven year history of ranking these quarterbacks in different tiers,
and for the first time in the eleven year history,
Aaron Rodgers is not in that tier one. How do
you assess Rogers now or how did the coaches assess Rogers?
Speaker 12 (40:57):
Yeah, I think everybody. Most people feel that if he's healthy,
he's still a top tier quarterback. But he got votes
in like four tiers. I mean, it's kind of silly,
but there's a lot of uncertainty. There's some feeling among
people that hey, he wasn't quite as good at the
end of Green Bay, then doesn't last very long New Environment,
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whole season on turf. All sort of believe it when
I see it. So a good number of people, I
think twenty three put him in tier one, but eighteen
people that put him in Tier two are probably thinking
that I'm just gonna knock him down a tier because
there is some uncertainty.
Speaker 9 (41:31):
And then there was a minority of.
Speaker 12 (41:32):
People nine that put him in that put him lower
than that, and I think they're saying, hey, the decline
has started. It's gonna be hard for him to recapture
what he was, So we'll see.
Speaker 9 (41:45):
I can't wait. That's one of the things this season
you just can't wait for, is like what Rogers are
going to get?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
How do you look at the rookie quarterbacks?
Speaker 12 (41:55):
So Caleb Williams would be the one I think people
are most excited about and optimistic about, and then I
do believe that it would be Jaden Daniels next. And
then I feel like there's a split on may you know,
just some of the people that I've I've talked to,
you get a little bit more of disagreement of how
good they think he can be. And then you go
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on to Pennix, who I personally really liked him and
just as a pastor in college, but it seems like
a lot of people think he's more of a finished product,
and they wonder how much better he's going to get.
So we'll see about that. JJ McCarthy. I think we're
just going to have to wait on and then bo Nix.
It's really all the fit with Peyton. I think if
you like bo Nix, you like Sean Payton, and you're
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betting on that combination more than necessarily the skill set
of bo Nix or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Well, a lot of good stuff, a lot of good
information here. It's at the Athletic and it's Mike Sandos,
column senior NFL writer there. Good to talk to you again, Mike.
Good luck, have fun in the upcoming season.
Speaker 9 (42:59):
Thank you you too.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
That's a Mike Sando and join the Athletic. He spent
twelve years I think at the mothership, the Pro Football
Hall of Fame voter.
Speaker 13 (43:07):
Yes, Paul, I'm with you on the Mahomes thing. It
does feel like he's earned the right to have his
own tier. And it's weird that I'm actually a little bothered.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
By you're bothered by it.
Speaker 13 (43:16):
Well, it's like Joe Burrow and Josh Allen, their careers
really aren't that close to Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
No, it's a big he's a lapping the Field. I
guess I'm surprised.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
It feels like there's this negative blowback on Josh Allen
that he can't win the big one here, can't handle
the big moment there, he too many turnovers, whatever it
might be. I always feel like when he's playing, Buffalo
has a chance to win, and I can't say that
about every quarterback. I feel like because of him they
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can win a game. Burrow, I feel that way. Mahomes,
I feel that way. And then it starts to get
a little diceier where you're going, all Right, Do I
fully believe that that quarterback can somehow find a way
to win a game, and that sometimes is the real
litmus test, at least for me.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yes? Yes, uh, Marvin, Yes it is.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Marvin Hey, Marvin Hey, is this the perfect store for
Josh Allen to win MVP? No, Stefan Diggs. Everyone's kind
of down to you guys this year. Not expecting you
guys to be Super Bowl contenders.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Might be harder.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I mean, I guess the storyline is there, but he's
still got to produce. And these you, these young receivers,
they got to be able to step up. And they
do have young talent there and a couple of good
tight ends, but trying to assess this handicap this. You know,
the draft is loaded with people where we go. Man
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didn't see that one for a variety of reasons, either
really good or really bad. Dak Prescott had something to
say about his owner, Jerry Jones. The coverage doesn't always
match the headline here because it feels like Dak Prescott
takes a shot at his owner. Here is Dak Prescott
and it starts with the reporter's question.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
Jerry said, the negotiation isn't about your merit as the
Cowboys quarterback, but more about there. What do you take
from that when he says, you know, it's not really
about what you're doing.
Speaker 14 (45:13):
Well, yeah, I understand that that's the business and the
nature of this this game that we play. Uh yeah,
I mean I stopped honestly listening to things that he
says to the media a long time ago, so it
doesn't really hold away with me.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Okay, Now if I just printed that as opposed to
you hearing that, you would have a different take on that.
He was also asked about is he going to get
a contract before the season starts?
Speaker 14 (45:38):
As I said, well, back in camp it's too. It's
two parts of this. Both sides have to come to
the room.
Speaker 15 (45:43):
You don't need a deal done before the season. I
don't need to know, no, do what you like it
done before the season. I think it says a lot
if it is or if it isn't. But however, it
doesn't doesn't really matter to me, to be honest with
you if it isn't. Just how people feel.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Okay, And I applaud the reporter, good follow up question there.
But if I'm Dak Prescott, I'm not Once the season starts,
I'm going to play this out because you had your time,
nothing's changed. I am who I am, and you know
what the market's going to be. And then if you
play well, I mean, didn't he get a new deal after,
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you know, messing up his ankle breaking his ankle? Like
I think he's okay. And he handles this well, he
really does, because this is every day. This is many
times a day people want to ask you about this,
pin you down.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Relationship with Jerry, relationship with c.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
D Lamb, you know, your place amongst the great quarter,
like all of this stuff. And I think he handles
it extremely well because that's not easy, not many quarterbacks
get all of these questions all of the time, and
Dak Prescott does. It goes along with the territory being
the Cowboys quarterback. But hey, if he plays well, that's
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on himself. Get to the off season, they're gonna be
teams waiting to sign him. Let me take a break,
last call for phone calls? What we learn, what's in
store tomorrow? And Todd has his rhyme time. We're all
excited for rhyme time. Come on, kay, now did that
sound fake.
Speaker 7 (47:24):
A little bit?
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Okay?
Speaker 9 (47:26):
Good catch?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
You see right through us, don't you? Okay?
Speaker 7 (47:32):
True?
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Oh okay, Now you're you're gonna be his buddy. Don't
listen to okay?
Speaker 4 (47:37):
You know how that you know your microphone is on.
I can hear what you're saying. You know how they
aren't listen
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