September 28, 2024 • 42 mins
Dan asks the tough questions when former Super Bowl winning head coach Jon Gruden stops by about his current status with the NFL and his interest in coaching again. Philadelphia Eagles RB Saquon Barkley joins the show to talk about the tough loss a couple weeks ago and how he was able to move on quickly. And former MLB pitcher Tommy John joins the show to talk about the surgery that was named after him and his bid to get into Cooperstown.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio John Gruden he loves football. In fact, John
Gruden loves football dot com for more information.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The show airs on YouTube weekly. Features several segments, including
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John Gruden back on the program. Good morning, John. Give
me the setup at your house watching football yesterday? What's
it look like?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
What do you say, Dan, It's good to see you.
My setup. I have really come down to my little
FFCA Fired Football Coaches Association headquarters here. It's about a
mile from my house, and I have TVs everywhere, and
I have three or four of my friends and we're
all kind of watching different games, trying to find out
what's going on in pro football because it's very unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, let me ask you about trends. There's always it's
a copycat league. We're seeing a lot of running. Now.
Is that going to be here for a while or
is it maybe just to aberration.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I don't know what is happening with pass protection, Dan,
but I think that's one of the reasons why you're
seeing so much running. You know, quarterbacks are under siege.
You're seeing a lot of these run pass options where
the quarterback is becoming a ball carrier. That's by design.
A lot of the runs are scrambling by the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
But I think a.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Lot of these guys have shown their inactivity during the
pre season. I think quality of play will pick up
as we move on.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, we're seeing touchdown passes down dramatically. Yeah, this game
is built on getting touchdown passes scoring points here. And
this is a trend, you know, the last couple of years,
the first three four weeks of the season, touchdown passes
have been down.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I'm trying to find out who is the best passing
team in football. When I get the films and I
start watching, I always start with the Detroit Lions because
they're one of the few teams I think that uses
the quarterback like we're accustomed to seeing the quarterback used
he audibles at the line of scrimmage. It's a pocket
passing team. They throw the ball to all five eligible
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receivers and they don't waste plays. They're not running and
doing these run pass options, and usually the quarterback gets protection,
he can get through a progression and read a route
out but I do like watching the Lions, and after them,
there's only a handful of other teams that really fire
me up like they used to.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
What do you see with Aaron Rodgers so far? Maybe
the first two weeks and then this past performance.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
He's one of the guys that really excites me. I
thought what he did against New England on the short
week was impressive. I thought his debut against the forty
nine ers was very good. He didn't get very many
at bats because the Jets didn't have the ball much,
but just still see the great accuracy. He dominates in
the pre snap with his hands, signals, he fixes protections
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as plays. He's still at the top of the food chain.
He's one of the three or four best clearly in
the league right now.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
What would Mahomes have to do to supplant Tom Brady
in your eyes?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, I guess you're saying, win seven Super Bowls. You know,
that's the qualification most people have. But I don't think
if you had a lot of quarterback experts in the
same room, I don't think anybody would tell you if
Brady and Mahomes were there, you wouldn't go wrong taking
either one but some of the things that Mahomes does
with the ball, it's it's incredible. You got to defend
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Andy Reid and all other Andy Reid preparation, and when
the play breaks down, Mahomes makes the play work anyhow.
So this is this is a double edged sword to
deal with. He's he's the best in my opinion. Because
of that.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We're talking to John Gruden and his new show John
Gruden Lovesfootball dot Com for more information. How frustrating is
it You're just watching with a bunch of guys in
a room, You're not on the sidelines, and you're not
in the booth.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, it's frustrating, but I'm having it. I'm having a
good time behind the scenes. We've had so many quarterbacks
and players, college players, pro players, high school players. I've
got a chance to visit the Chiefs in training camp,
so I'm still real close to it. But I do
miss the everyday competition and interaction with a team. But
(04:26):
you just keep your fingers crossed. You hope you get
one more chance.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Where does your lawsuit stand with the NFL.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Well, I don't know, and I'm I'm not here to
talk about my lawsuit. That's that's in other people's hands
right now. I'm just trying to spread my love for football, Dan.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And yeah, but I want to know if you're going
to get back into the game. I mean, this could
help significantly. I would think if you want to get
back into college or you want to get back to
the NFL. So you don't have to answer it. I
have to ask the question. So if you choose not
to answer that, you But I'm just trying to figure
out where things stand and a timeline maybe for coaching.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Again, well, it's in it's in due process. It's not
in my hands, so I can I can sit here
and answer any questions. I don't have anything to answer.
I don't know where it is. It's in it's in
a it's in the court of it's in the court's hands.
So I'm I'm here to just study football and tell
you what I see. That's the best I can do
right now.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Who do you think leaked that information?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I'm not going to get into all that. I Uh,
I really don't even want to talk about it. I
have a great opportunity to do some of the things
I want to do right now, and that's what I'm
going to do.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Have you spoken to anybody recently about coaching in college?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I have.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I've talked to a lot of people about coaching. I
always always have and I always will, I assume. But
I'm not going to start any rumors or anything like
that here today.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But you want to get into the NIL and recruiting
and all of that stuff. I mean, college is all exciting.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
About the state of college football.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
The thing that excites me is is the change with
the transfer portal and the NIL. It's astonishing how different
the game is. And I've talked to a lot of
college coaches that are friends of mine. It's a frustrating
beast to deal with. And I am learning, just like
everybody else is. I'm adapting mentally to what the rules are.
(06:26):
It's crazy. It's an unbelievable change in college football. I
don't know if it's going to help the game or
hurt the game, but it certainly is different.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So you're planning, you're prepping, you're learning to get that opportunity.
It sounds like that's pretty much what I do. I
just come in here and I mind my own business.
I grind on my football. I collaborate with a lot
of people about football different levels of football. And if
someone's looking for somebody to coach, I'll be in the bullpen.
(06:56):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
But I got a great YouTube channel, very excited about
and I'm putting all my focus into that right now.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
You'd fill the void with Saban not there, Jim Harbaugh
not there, Get another big personality in there. But does
it matter the size of the school if you're going
to coach.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Nothing really matters. It's just the opportunity, I think, to
get another chance to be on a team. That's appealing
to me. But I'm on a team right now, and
I want to reiterate that I'm I know there was
an article written about me wanting to coach. I've always
wanted to coach my whole life, and that's never going
to change. But right now, this opportunity I have in
front of me is very exciting.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
You strike me as a guy who yells at the
screens when you're watching football.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Sometimes I.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Get excited, as you know, about little things, short yardage conversions.
If I see a spider two, why banana, you'll really
tell it. But I do like seeing the young quarterbacks,
the development of these young players. I'm anxious to see
what happens with the giants. Daniel Jones, who's a guy
I really like coming back off an injury. Cousin's coming
back off an injury. Aaron Rodgers is back. I'm really
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interested to see how these guys handle that. There's so
many behind the scenes storylines that I look at that
are probably unique to me. But you're right, I do
get a little emotional at times.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But you love to break down the film of quarterbacks.
What are you seeing with these like Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels,
Bo Nick's, Drake May. If there were stocks, which stock
would you buy the most start with?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I'd start with Nicks, probably in Denver, just because I
recognize the system. I know the coach. I know the
scheme very well, so I can recognize what the developmental
process is like. And they were just here in Tampa.
I got to see him at close range. He's a
lot bigger guy than I thought. He's very athletic, and
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I know what he's doing on a day to day
basis behind the scenes. The other guys are talented, but
they're under siege a little bit. They're getting hit a lot.
They're in a more I don't know college operations style
offense in Washington, so I see Daniels running around. He
showcases great athleticism and toughness. But to answer your question,
(09:19):
after three weeks, you know, I think bo Nix is
moving on, moving forward a little bit quicker because of
the protection that I saw against the Buccaneers, some of
the concepts that they're doing. But it's still a lot
to be decided. Caleb Williams has just been under siege
too much to really get a true evaluation.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Did you have a policy on starting rookie quarterbacks or
how much you would play them.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I never had a first round draft choice. We only
drafted a couple guys in the I think fifteen years
that I was a head coach. We were going to
play the best guy. We didn't care who it was,
especially at that position. But I haven't had a lot
of history playing rookies at quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Well, it felt like everybody was saying it was the
Panthers they were the problem, not Bryce Young, and I
kept saying he played eighteen games and didn't look good.
I can blame the organization, but Bryce Young deserves a
lot of blame as well. Where do you stand on
that whole process there to bring in Andy Dalton.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Well, the quarterbacks job is to win games, move the
ball and put points on the board. And if you're
not winning, you're not moving the ball and you're not scoring,
something's got to change. They change head coaches, they change coordinators.
The next thing that's going to happen is they're going
to change quarterbacks. And I think sitting down is going
to be a very good thing for Bryce Young. Things
are probably moving around real fast, a lot of pressure
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on him, and I think Andy Dalton's success will allow
Andy to play for a few more weeks at least
and give Bryce Young a chance to get a different perspective.
And I do think when he does come back, he'll
be better because of it.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
How often do you wear your Super Bowl ring?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I haven't worn it in a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
But I have an event this week weekend. My wife's
a fred Astare ball dancer, ballroom dancer. So I'm gonna
go meet some of the dancers that are coming to
Tampa and I'm gonna wear my ring and do a
little dancing out there, try to impress somebody.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Wait, wait, you're doing ballroom dancing.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, I had my hip replaced April twenty fourth, So
that's why I kind of started all these side interest things.
But yes, I as a dating flyer like you are, Dan,
I encourage you to get off your butt, get out there,
do some ballroom dancing. It's a it's a really good
it's a really good time.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I have done it, John, I, my wife and I
did it many many years ago. The Cajun two step
ballroom dancing. Yeah, that's awesome. I turned down Dancing with
the Stars just to let you know that's outstanding.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Well, good luck, good luck in the pursuit of whatever
you're looking for. Good luck with the YouTube channel. It's
Gruden loves Football dot Com. That's the website. So he's
taking down things, he said Drew brees On Derek Carr
has been on Grudenlovesfootball dot com. Thank you, John, Hey,
thanks Dan, good luck, thank you.
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Speaker 2 (12:21):
He's back. He's back better than ever, as opposed to
last Tuesday when he wasn't able to join us. Saquon Barkley,
if the Eagles joining us on the program give me
the difference in morale, how you're feeling is opposed this
Tuesday is opposed to last Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, I mean Victory Mondays are definitely a lot better.
But for me to be honest, I've been something that
I've been once folkused on this season, you know, work
on my trainers and work or what.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Every one of my.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Mentors is not really getting too caught up in the
results and just fall in love with the process. So
week two weeks just being consistent and at and if
I'm able to stay more consistent, you know, gain more
games like this week rather than a loss.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
How long has that lost stay with you?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
It's probably you know, it's definitely a little bit more
difficult when you know there's usually three to four plays
a game that I want to lose your game, and when.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
You're part of that reason, it sticks with you a
little longer.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
But I kind of just had a nice little hour
ride back home because the traffic after the game, you know,
went to sleep, woke up, watch film, watched the play,
and kind of just put in the past. That's the
beauty of the NFL, uh, you know, you got this.
We had to go to New Orleans Saints right away,
so you couldn't really you know, harp.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
On it too much. But lunch free mistakes.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Move on from him?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
What was film session?
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Like?
Speaker 5 (13:46):
I mean, when you really break it down, I probably
had a better game, not statistically against Atlanta than I
had this week against Saints.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
But just one play.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
You know, I was in that whole game and I
just relaxed in a big moment and you know, drop
the ball.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
But then you get the tight game against New Orleans,
do you say anything like what's the huddle like with
the game on the line, who's talking other than Jalen?
Speaker 6 (14:17):
All of us? You know, all of us.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I think that's the beauty of this team. We've got
a lot of you know, captains and leaders on his team.
And that moment, you know, I can remember in the
huddle right before that two minute drive. You know, we're
all looking at each other just saying, no matter what
final way, just continue to believe in each other and
it will go down and drive and put points on
the board.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
And Dallas came up big for us on that drives.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Can you lobby for the ball like receivers do this?
All the time. Can you go back and say, either
to the offensive coaches or quarterback, that give me the ball.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
The beauty of having Kellen on the sideline is, you know,
he has a better feel for the game. He can
he can get a feel for the game. So sometimes
you know you're in the game and you're getting that
that zone and you're flowing right, you know, you can
look to the sideline or when you're over there, you
can let them know, like, this is what I see,
this is what I like, and this is what I
don't like. You gotta have those conversations and it can
get changed.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Right there is the running game back, Like I kind
of want to overreact to this, but it certainly feels
like teams are running the ball a little bit more
through three weeks.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Uh yeah, I would say, so. I'm not trying to
overreact to it either. But you see a lot of backs,
you know, having a lot of great games. You know,
that's just the nature of the game. You're paying a
lot of money to these quarterbacks and to these wide receivers.
So defense got to come up with, you know, game
plans and schemes to make sure you don't throw the
ball around, and you know.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
We have all that.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
We have great receivers, great tight ends, great linemen, and
I believe I'm a I'm a pretty decent back, and
we have a great quarterback. So we haven't been you know,
put it all together yet. So when we put it
all together, we're gonna be a hard team.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah. But I don't understand this that the running back
got kicked to the curb. Everybody else got paid and
running backs didn't like you were you were like scratching
and clawing just to get you know, a million dollars
more whatever. It was like it felt like you're almost
begging for people to pay you what you think you're worth.
(16:14):
What that What was the process like going through that.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
I think it's just the timing.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
You know, it's just bad timing, especially for me when
when it was time for me to get paid. But
it's it's you know, everyone is all into analytics and
stats and this and that, and you know, if you
look at the numbers of what's the highest rusher that
was paid the most in the Super Bowl, and you
know the quarterbacks and obviously the quarterbacks is the one
that feels it and you can get a lot of
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these great backs and later rounds and uh, you know,
use them for three years and then continue to have that.
But you know, I think that's just something that people
just make up. It's it's not really me. I think
one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL right now
is brob Party. Shout out to him. You know, obviously
gonna have a be schoonarship together. But he's he was
the last pick of the draft, you know what I mean.
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He was the last pick of the draft and NFC
Championship game the give before Super Bowl game last year.
So you know, it's just everything. It's kind of just
what they want the motive to be. But I'm just blessing,
you know, happy for the opportunity that I have right now.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
You should go to Applebee's full uniform, just walk in,
sit down, eye black helmet on, just place an order,
just sit there.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I think I should and especially get to fifty bonus
wings on what they have going on right now. And
if I go on to cheat that, get my favorite
triple chocolate moukdown cake.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
We've been doing this. I've been doing this a long time.
It's very rare when somebody reaches out and sends a
personal note a text to say I'm sorry I can't
join you. I have great respect for you and certainly
appreciated you doing that. You didn't have to. I did
agree that you shouldn't have come on after that loss.
It wouldn't have been a good look for you. But
you know, you had a sponsorship there. But thank you
(18:02):
for sending the text to the show. I really appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Yeah, of course, I felt like that was the right
thing to do.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
And I saw what you put out there, and I
agree to I don't think more so of not being
a good look for me, because at the end of
the day, I'm a big boy. I get paid a
lot of money, and that happens when when you're make
mistakes or you let a team down.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
You got to face those questions.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
And I did that after the game and to be honest,
throughout the whole week leading up to the Saints.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
But I definitely felt like it would have took.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Off a lot of you know, the focus on you know,
the sponsor and Applebee's and you know, the the official
bar and grill of the NFL, and I said, fifty Boness.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Wars by the way. But yeah, but for me, I
just felt like that was the right thing to do.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
And you know, being a big fan of your show,
and obviously you know, talking to you and sitting down
with you and you know, kind of being mentored and
gave me a lot of great advice.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
I felt like that was the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
All right. If you if you need advice to go
into this business one day, my advice would be to
get into the business quick while you're still playing. I
think that's really important. To get get some reps here,
you know, learn learn how to ask questions, or if
you're going to be just an analyst, watch analysts certain
analysts and say, all right, I'm gonna pattern myself. But
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if this is what you want to do, start working
on that now. As I told you when I think
I saw you in Miami at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Yeah, on that topic, how do you feel about podcasts
for athletes?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, you got to tell me something and you got
to be careful. Like Micah Parsons to me, is becoming
more for a podcaster and what he says than the
way he's playing. Because Dallas hasn't been playing well and
he's a wonderful player. It's just you gotta be careful.
If you're going to do one, what are you saying
while you're still playing? And people aren't going to just
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tune in, go oh, say Kwon Barkley's got a podcast.
They want to know what is different about your podcast?
And that's the true challenge that I tell athletes or
former athletes, What are you telling me that I can't
get elsewhere? What are you doing that's different than anybody else?
That would be the challenge that I would have for you.
Have somebody on with you, but you got to say things.
(20:11):
You gotta have you gotta have content there and a
lot of people don't want to say anything. So that's
where I would caution you. If you go in and
do it, then do it and have a purpose, have
a game. I mean, it's no different than you. We
can week out have a game plan, but you gotta
have that game plan.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Draymond Green has done a pretty good job, but he
likes being a bad guy. He likes being the villain.
You know, are you are you capable of? Like you're
too likable?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You know?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Can you can you be a bad guy? Do you
want to be a villain? You know? Those are things
that you have to embrace and and that's really the
big challenge I find for athletes.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, I think I think more of a find a ways,
like on a bye week or play a safe player
Thursday night game and short week, trying to get on
television and do stuff like that, because that's abstutely something
I want to do. I've had a passion for it
ever since I got in the league. But like you said,
I think it's you have to be able to you know,
have purpose behind it, and it's hard to balance, especially
(21:10):
in the NFL and you know, you don't have seventeen
weeks and when you're balling and you're playing high it's
easy on that show and talk, but you have an
important drop in Monday night football and everyone's saying you
suck and you should go back to New York.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
I do.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I do like the podcast or athletes because I feel
like it gives you a say, especially during my whole
conversation or the whole negotiation process with New York, and
there would be stories lead to me and oh it's
this number of that number.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
It gives you your voice. But I think I think
you hit it on you know, I think you hit
on that.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
But that's that's the right approach. But will would you
have been willing to come on after that loss when
you drop the pass that next day and do a
podcast and be honest with people? Would you be honest
with you know, some of the hate that you got
from fans, the anger you got from fans. Now if
you do that, now you got some people's attention there.
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But are you willing to do that to be that revealing?
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I think it's it depends right, it's easier. I feel
like when it's all on my back because I can
go over there and talk about myself. But like you said,
you know, when I'm working for a brand and you
know obviously we're here on behalf of Alpubie's kind of
taking you know, the spotlight away from them when you
know they've been doing the smida's job for me and
putting me in a position. So when when it's on
(22:31):
your own self and you know it's I do it anyway,
I have twenty thousand cameras in my face saying how
do you feel about that?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Drop?
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Is not the third you know, So it's like I
answered the question and so I feel like you have
your voice there.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
But then you also have your voice on your own platform.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
But it's give and take and it's tough, and you know,
I think Micah, you know, obviously being a good friend
of Micah, you know, I think he's doing a great job.
But like I said, especially in that market, it definitely
could be you know, Alice Philly in New York, those
probably three.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You gotta win, you gotta win. I mean that that
makes it a whole lot easier. What bothered you about
hard Knocks in how you were portrayed.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
To be honest, it really wasn't hard knocks. It was
more of the year prior with negotiation, because like you
would get these you would get these numbers that would
come out and be like Saquon turn down this, and
Saquon turned all that, and like some of the numbers
would be correct, but it like they would give you
some of the truth but not the whole truth, and
like just the truth to kind of spin it and
(23:31):
make a certain person look bad. And it's just like, well,
all right, if me and you are having this conversation,
right and we're talking numbers, and then it goes out
that this number was said and only me and you
had this conversation and I'm not the one who said it,
I know it definitely came from you. So for the
Hard Knocks, and I thought the Hard Knocks was a cool,
unique way to let fans in because obviously it's always
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been about training camp, but let fans in and see
the off season and see how really Like I watched
the episode three, and I think it was cool how
they like they had like the poker table and they're like, Okay,
this is when you gotta do this the spot, get the.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Office a lineman.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
It gives fan opportunity to see that have that perspective.
But for me, it was weird, I guess because a
lot of it was about me and like I was like,
it felt like it was just like, all right, my
name was just getting used because in reality, it was
like I had one phone call with Joe, which was
the phone call that was on and my agent probably
spoke to him a couple of times, but like on
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this side, like in my life, in reality, it was
like the giants really never were actually in play the
second time for me going to negotiation of hitting the
free agency when they could have been the whole time.
So it was fun, it was it was different, but
I really think it was cool for the fans for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, I felt bad for you because I don't think
you knew that you were being taped, that this was
on camera, that you're kind of negotiating. And then when
did you find out that they were going to put
that on Hard Knocks and you didn't even know that
you were being recorded?
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
I wasn't upset about that. Uh, you know, it's part
of business. Like I said, I didn't find out to
the trailer. I saw a trailer like the Hard Knots
of the Giants, and I was like, oh, it's gonna
be pretty cool. And I looked at it and I heard, uh,
you know, the conversation of me. But I wasn't really
upset about it.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Honestly.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
I reached out to to Joe and I was just like,
I wish you would have told me. I would have
put my active voice on. I would have you know,
I would have gave me. I would have gave a
TV uh a TV answer, and you know, you know,
made a little more fun, spiced up the show a
little bit more. But uh, yeah, it's it's that that
really didn't bother me.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And when they told you say, when they told you, hey,
go out and get another offer and then let us know.
I'm like, who does that? Who says, hey, you know,
good luck out there, and then but let us know, Hey,
you're gonna let us know. And I go, he's not
gonna let you know. Once he gets that offer, he's gone.
You're not coming. It's I give you say to your wife, Hey,
if you find a better offer, go ahead, but you know,
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I hope you come back to me.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Hun, Hey, listen, you're you're talking way too large, but
right now a lot of people need.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
It a little more like you.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
If I'll be honest.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
That conversation too, I had a whole year, you know,
he said. Joe said, it took however many years off
his life to negotiat the process the year before, but
it probably took ten times more on my life. But
shout out to my agent to be honest. Before the conversation,
he was just like, just keep it short and sweet.
So I didn't overreact to that. I just kind of,
you know, I said what I said, And you know,
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I still feel the same way about.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
New York and the Giants organization.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Got nothing but love for those guys, and miss maryor
family and Tish family.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, just glad that you're in an Eagles uniform instead
of a giant's uniform.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
I'm having a bless I'm blessed. I'm still in the NFL.
I'm loving it. Just some guys that would love be
in my position.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You say, Kawan Barkley joining us on behalf of Applebee's.
They're teaming up all season long to keep fans fueled
with America's favorite boneless swings. Great to talk to you,
good luck, and thanks for joining us. As always.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Oh, it was a pleasure man. Take care.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (27:14):
Tommy John he spent twenty six years in Major League Baseball,
won two hundred and eighty eight games. He has a
podcast called Rubbing Elbows with Tommy John. His website Tommy
John twenty five dot net. His number was twenty five.
His Facebook group is Tommy dot John Cooperstown, which hopefully
we get him into Cooperstown. Tommy, good to see you again.
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You have the oddest type of fame. When did you
embrace that your famous kind of for Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Oh god, it was a long time after I was
out of baseball and everybody Tommy John surgery, Tommy John surgery,
Tommy John surgery. Again, I didn't name it Tommy Johnson surgery.
Doctor Joe did. And so he's the one that stuck
me with that.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Do you know what it was called before you had
the surgery?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
It wasn't called because it had never been done.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
But like they just said, you're getting Owner surgery.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Like when getting the name of the surgery was owner
collateral ligament replacement with the Paul Merris longest tender. And
after they got through and I survived, you know, then
doctor Joe, that's most orthopedics do, went out and talked
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to other doctors and he said, I just got tired
of saying that that's such a long drawn out name.
And I came down with, you know, the surgery I
did on Tommy John. You know the surgery I did
on And then they cut it down to you know,
Tommy John surgery. Why there it is?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Did you almost not do it?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
No?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Because I wanted to pitch again, and the only way
I was going to pitch again was to have the surgery, maybe,
how did it catch again?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
How did it feel after you had your surgery? Was
there any difference in how you pitched or you know,
how hard you threw, or any improvement. I have no.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Idea how hard I threw before surgery, because thank god,
we didn't have radar guns. And you see guys out
there now with radar guns that don't know squat about pitching.
But they go, oh, man, look at that. He's good.
And he's good because he's got numbers on the gun.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Well, yeah, and we've hatched a whole new generation of throwers,
not pitchers. And it almost feels like, hey, if I
blow out my arm, I can always have Tommy John
surgery or multiple Tommy John surgeries.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Well there's four or five guys that have had the
surgery twice, and uh, you know, I don't know the
wherewithal about that, but obviously they were doing something wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Does the surgery or your name attached to this surgery
help or hurt your Hall of Fame case?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I think it hurts it because when you look at
too eighty eight and I had one hundred and eighty
eight no decisions, the most in baseball history. So if
you take two hundred and eighty eight wins and one
hundred and eighty eight no decisions. There's a lot of
wins and those no decisions.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Well, if you get in, and I hope you do,
and I've said this before, you had whatever five hundred
decisions when you pitch your e Ra and Verry respectable.
But can we have instead of your bust or a plaque?
Can we just have you know, maybe the arm? Yeah,
your arm? Can we do a statue of your arm
if you get into the Hall of Fame, Tommy, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
That somebody will come up with that. But you know,
I have the cast that doctor job put on me
after the surgery, and my wife Cheryl, and I decided
that we wanted to donate it to a charity, and
we donated to the Smithsonian Institute. So if you go
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to the Smithsonian and go to their Sports Hall of
Records or whatever, you'll see the Tommy John cast autograph.
Oh by all the Dodgers, then Scully, Jerry, Dogget, Danny
Murtau because back in that back in that period of time,
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I wanted to go sit on the bench during the ballgame,
and you had to get the okay from the opposing manager.
So I go up to him with my arm in
the cast, and I said, Danny, I just want to
sit on the bench and watch the game, can I?
He said two things. Promise me you won't go out
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on the field during a fight and hit somebody with
the cast. And I said okay, And he said, secondly,
I want to sign it. So the first person to
sign my cast was Danny Murtaut the Pittsburgh Pirates.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
How soon after your surgery did the second pitcher go
in for surgery?
Speaker 4 (32:34):
The second pitcher was Brent Strong and Stramy is a
longtime pitching coach with many teams. But I think it
was like a year later, year and a half later.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Well, you're You're Neil Armstrong. So Strawmy is the second
person on the moon. You know, I'm try he is.
We remember you. I thought contributions to game now, I
would have thought to eighty eight would be enough to
get into the Hall of Fame. But if I attached
contributions to the game, do you feel like you've contributed
(33:10):
to the game because of the surgery that you had?
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Oh my god, yes, I'm with you. If too eighty
eight can't get you into the Hall of fame. Then
I don't want in. I'll just stay outside and and look,
I don't mean that.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
But.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Don't say that. Now there's a campaign to get you
in next next year.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Well, you know, here's what my wife, Cheryl believes this.
My number was twenty five, and if I go into
the Hall of Fame, it'll be twenty twenty five. And
what's the other twenty five? Oh the address of the hall,
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it's twenty five Main Street, Cooperstown.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I like that. I think that's awesome. But you know what,
if you're not successful, then we don't have Tommy John surgery.
So that's that's where you won twenty games. I think
you had one twenty one season. I think after you
had Tommy John Surgeryes that sound right.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
After surgery?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:25):
I think I had three.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Oh, you didn't have any prior to surgery.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Oh okay, because I think you won ten games the
following year, and I thought you I was.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Ten and ten. Yeah, I was ten and ten, and
then that was seventy six, seventy seven, seventy eight. I
may have squeezed twenty out of there.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Do people ask to see your elbow your arm when
they meet.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
You all the time.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
What's it and what's you know?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
And I make them, I'll make them pay me.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Is there a scar?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Uh, there was a very visible scar and now it's
kind of pulled back and uh it's you got really
got a look to see it.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Also. But Tommy, I don't know if he's proud of this.
He managed to make three errors on one play. That
was what when you were with the Yankees?
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Yeah, yeah, it takes quite a few words to do that.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
How did you commit three errors on one play?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
They hit the ball back to me, mean between the
mound and first base, and I come charging in and
I picked the ball up, drop it, pick it up,
drop it, pick it up, drop it. Then why I
did what I did? I picked the ball up and
I underhand through it to first base and through it
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by the first basement way out in the left field. Well,
that's air number two. And the right fielder gets it
and throws it in and misses the cutoff man, and
I'm just standing there and I pick it up and
they go home and I turn and I fired it
by the catcher's their like that, and that's air number three.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Well, congratulations, you know you got to if you're going
to go down in baseball history, go down doing something good.
But you were around big personalities, like what's your favorite story,
whether it's in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, where you
run into a celebrity or a player.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I've got two quick ones. I'm going out to the car.
This is with the Dodgers, because Yankees the only people
that would go out to the ballgame with the mob.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
The mob.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Oh okay, you you ran into the mob.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Oh yeah, because I had Italian friends. That okay. But
I'm I'm going I'm leaving the ballpark and I had
just fetched that day, and I'm going to the car
and I hear Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, and somebody's waving a
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turn around and I go, holy, it's Kerry Grant and
he comes up and you know, how am I? You know?
But when I was with the Dodgers, I'm sitting on
the bench and the clubhouse kid comes down and he said, Tommy,
you're wanted up in Losorta's office. Well, I turn and
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I look to my right and the Losorta's down on
the end of the bench standing. So I go up
and the door's locked and I knock on the door,
and the door opens, and here standing in his tidy whiteyes,
as Don Rickles, and.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Come in.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Lock the door. And I said, Rickles, I'm not that
kind of a guy. I said, do you think everybody
just and he said, get in here. You puttson, and
he said, look, you're the only guy I could count on.
He was going to be ball boy and he wanted
to be dressed properly. So I dressed him, make sure
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all this stuff, and he leaves and he pats me
on the button. He said, I owe you Palt. Okay, fine,
well we go out in the first game of the
World Series. I'm pitching, and I lose and we don't
play very well, and the sword is coming in. So
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the next day, get in here, in here and sat down.
He said, you guys playing, Yes, you played terrible. You
know what about he said, I went out and I
called around and I got the best sports psychologist in
the world that's going to work with you guys, and
we go oh he done. So the door opens and
(39:20):
then walks Rickles. He was he just got everybody laughing
and giggling, and so I'm The clubhouse at Dodger Stadium
was laid out alphabetic, and I'm right there with bird Hooton,
Charlie Huff, Tommy John, and he goes, you know, bird Hooton,
(39:45):
Bert f and Hooton, Charlie Huff, Charlie f and Huff,
Tommy John, Tommy F and John. That's paid. And he
went and the guy said, what did you do? You
know that he didn't rail on you, And I said, oh,
you're not gonna believe it. But we had a good
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time with Rickles. And the other guy that was really
good to me was a guy named Sinatra. Yeah, my
mother was dying of cancer and I wanted to get
her down to the cancer hospital in Houston, Texas, and
so I was making plans on chartering a plane to
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fly her down and I get a call from Lesorta.
He said, Tommy, Frank wants to Frank wants to bring
his plane in to Terre Haute and fly your mother
down to Houston. It's on him. And I went, oh
that is how nice? Is that? Well, my mother passed
(40:54):
away before we could get the plane there and get down,
but I think Frank, but that's the way it was
playing for the Dodgers. You had Brickles, you had Sinatra
carry grant you had all these people were up in
the stands.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
He's Tommy John. His podcast Rubbing Elbows with Tommy John,
the website Tommy John, the number twenty five dot net,
and his Facebook group is Tommy dot John Cooper's Town.
I hope you get positive results, Tommy. It's a long
time coming. And good luck with the campaign.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Oh, thank you much. Hey, could I say hi to
a seven year old boy that skipped school to watch
You and Me? His name is Braxton Bent and he's
seven years old. He lives southern California. He's a huge
baseball fan, but he skipped school today specifically to watch
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you and Me.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah, that's great, Thank you, Thank.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
You, Tommy. Good to see you.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
You got it.
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
The show airs on YouTube weekly. Features several segments, including
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John Gruden back on the program. Good morning, John. Give
me the setup at your house watching football yesterday? What's
it look like?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
What do you say, Dan, It's good to see you.
My setup. I have really come down to my little
FFCA Fired Football Coaches Association headquarters here. It's about a
mile from my house, and I have TVs everywhere, and
I have three or four of my friends and we're
all kind of watching different games, trying to find out
what's going on in pro football because it's very unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, let me ask you about trends. There's always it's
a copycat league. We're seeing a lot of running. Now.
Is that going to be here for a while or
is it maybe just to aberration.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I don't know what is happening with pass protection, Dan,
but I think that's one of the reasons why you're
seeing so much running. You know, quarterbacks are under siege.
You're seeing a lot of these run pass options where
the quarterback is becoming a ball carrier. That's by design.
A lot of the runs are scrambling by the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
But I think a.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Lot of these guys have shown their inactivity during the
pre season. I think quality of play will pick up
as we move on.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, we're seeing touchdown passes down dramatically. Yeah, this game
is built on getting touchdown passes scoring points here. And
this is a trend, you know, the last couple of years,
the first three four weeks of the season, touchdown passes
have been down.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I'm trying to find out who is the best passing
team in football. When I get the films and I
start watching, I always start with the Detroit Lions because
they're one of the few teams I think that uses
the quarterback like we're accustomed to seeing the quarterback used
he audibles at the line of scrimmage. It's a pocket
passing team. They throw the ball to all five eligible
(02:11):
receivers and they don't waste plays. They're not running and
doing these run pass options, and usually the quarterback gets protection,
he can get through a progression and read a route
out but I do like watching the Lions, and after them,
there's only a handful of other teams that really fire
me up like they used to.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
What do you see with Aaron Rodgers so far? Maybe
the first two weeks and then this past performance.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
He's one of the guys that really excites me. I
thought what he did against New England on the short
week was impressive. I thought his debut against the forty
nine ers was very good. He didn't get very many
at bats because the Jets didn't have the ball much,
but just still see the great accuracy. He dominates in
the pre snap with his hands, signals, he fixes protections
(03:00):
as plays. He's still at the top of the food chain.
He's one of the three or four best clearly in
the league right now.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
What would Mahomes have to do to supplant Tom Brady
in your eyes?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, I guess you're saying, win seven Super Bowls. You know,
that's the qualification most people have. But I don't think
if you had a lot of quarterback experts in the
same room, I don't think anybody would tell you if
Brady and Mahomes were there, you wouldn't go wrong taking
either one but some of the things that Mahomes does
with the ball, it's it's incredible. You got to defend
(03:35):
Andy Reid and all other Andy Reid preparation, and when
the play breaks down, Mahomes makes the play work anyhow.
So this is this is a double edged sword to
deal with. He's he's the best in my opinion. Because
of that.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We're talking to John Gruden and his new show John
Gruden Lovesfootball dot Com for more information. How frustrating is
it You're just watching with a bunch of guys in
a room, You're not on the sidelines, and you're not
in the booth.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, it's frustrating, but I'm having it. I'm having a
good time behind the scenes. We've had so many quarterbacks
and players, college players, pro players, high school players. I've
got a chance to visit the Chiefs in training camp,
so I'm still real close to it. But I do
miss the everyday competition and interaction with a team. But
(04:26):
you just keep your fingers crossed. You hope you get
one more chance.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Where does your lawsuit stand with the NFL.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Well, I don't know, and I'm I'm not here to
talk about my lawsuit. That's that's in other people's hands
right now. I'm just trying to spread my love for football, Dan.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And yeah, but I want to know if you're going
to get back into the game. I mean, this could
help significantly. I would think if you want to get
back into college or you want to get back to
the NFL. So you don't have to answer it. I
have to ask the question. So if you choose not
to answer that, you But I'm just trying to figure
out where things stand and a timeline maybe for coaching.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Again, well, it's in it's in due process. It's not
in my hands, so I can I can sit here
and answer any questions. I don't have anything to answer.
I don't know where it is. It's in it's in
a it's in the court of it's in the court's hands.
So I'm I'm here to just study football and tell
you what I see. That's the best I can do
right now.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Who do you think leaked that information?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I'm not going to get into all that. I Uh,
I really don't even want to talk about it. I
have a great opportunity to do some of the things
I want to do right now, and that's what I'm
going to do.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Have you spoken to anybody recently about coaching in college?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I have.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I've talked to a lot of people about coaching. I
always always have and I always will, I assume. But
I'm not going to start any rumors or anything like
that here today.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But you want to get into the NIL and recruiting
and all of that stuff. I mean, college is all exciting.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
About the state of college football.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
The thing that excites me is is the change with
the transfer portal and the NIL. It's astonishing how different
the game is. And I've talked to a lot of
college coaches that are friends of mine. It's a frustrating
beast to deal with. And I am learning, just like
everybody else is. I'm adapting mentally to what the rules are.
(06:26):
It's crazy. It's an unbelievable change in college football. I
don't know if it's going to help the game or
hurt the game, but it certainly is different.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So you're planning, you're prepping, you're learning to get that opportunity.
It sounds like that's pretty much what I do. I
just come in here and I mind my own business.
I grind on my football. I collaborate with a lot
of people about football different levels of football. And if
someone's looking for somebody to coach, I'll be in the bullpen.
(06:56):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
But I got a great YouTube channel, very excited about
and I'm putting all my focus into that right now.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
You'd fill the void with Saban not there, Jim Harbaugh
not there, Get another big personality in there. But does
it matter the size of the school if you're going
to coach.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Nothing really matters. It's just the opportunity, I think, to
get another chance to be on a team. That's appealing
to me. But I'm on a team right now, and
I want to reiterate that I'm I know there was
an article written about me wanting to coach. I've always
wanted to coach my whole life, and that's never going
to change. But right now, this opportunity I have in
front of me is very exciting.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
You strike me as a guy who yells at the
screens when you're watching football.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Sometimes I.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Get excited, as you know, about little things, short yardage conversions.
If I see a spider two, why banana, you'll really
tell it. But I do like seeing the young quarterbacks,
the development of these young players. I'm anxious to see
what happens with the giants. Daniel Jones, who's a guy
I really like coming back off an injury. Cousin's coming
back off an injury. Aaron Rodgers is back. I'm really
(08:07):
interested to see how these guys handle that. There's so
many behind the scenes storylines that I look at that
are probably unique to me. But you're right, I do
get a little emotional at times.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But you love to break down the film of quarterbacks.
What are you seeing with these like Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels,
Bo Nick's, Drake May. If there were stocks, which stock
would you buy the most start with?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I'd start with Nicks, probably in Denver, just because I
recognize the system. I know the coach. I know the
scheme very well, so I can recognize what the developmental
process is like. And they were just here in Tampa.
I got to see him at close range. He's a
lot bigger guy than I thought. He's very athletic, and
(08:56):
I know what he's doing on a day to day
basis behind the scenes. The other guys are talented, but
they're under siege a little bit. They're getting hit a lot.
They're in a more I don't know college operations style
offense in Washington, so I see Daniels running around. He
showcases great athleticism and toughness. But to answer your question,
(09:19):
after three weeks, you know, I think bo Nix is
moving on, moving forward a little bit quicker because of
the protection that I saw against the Buccaneers, some of
the concepts that they're doing. But it's still a lot
to be decided. Caleb Williams has just been under siege
too much to really get a true evaluation.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Did you have a policy on starting rookie quarterbacks or
how much you would play them.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I never had a first round draft choice. We only
drafted a couple guys in the I think fifteen years
that I was a head coach. We were going to
play the best guy. We didn't care who it was,
especially at that position. But I haven't had a lot
of history playing rookies at quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Well, it felt like everybody was saying it was the
Panthers they were the problem, not Bryce Young, and I
kept saying he played eighteen games and didn't look good.
I can blame the organization, but Bryce Young deserves a
lot of blame as well. Where do you stand on
that whole process there to bring in Andy Dalton.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Well, the quarterbacks job is to win games, move the
ball and put points on the board. And if you're
not winning, you're not moving the ball and you're not scoring,
something's got to change. They change head coaches, they change coordinators.
The next thing that's going to happen is they're going
to change quarterbacks. And I think sitting down is going
to be a very good thing for Bryce Young. Things
are probably moving around real fast, a lot of pressure
(10:40):
on him, and I think Andy Dalton's success will allow
Andy to play for a few more weeks at least
and give Bryce Young a chance to get a different perspective.
And I do think when he does come back, he'll
be better because of it.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
How often do you wear your Super Bowl ring?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I haven't worn it in a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
But I have an event this week weekend. My wife's
a fred Astare ball dancer, ballroom dancer. So I'm gonna
go meet some of the dancers that are coming to
Tampa and I'm gonna wear my ring and do a
little dancing out there, try to impress somebody.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Wait, wait, you're doing ballroom dancing.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, I had my hip replaced April twenty fourth, So
that's why I kind of started all these side interest things.
But yes, I as a dating flyer like you are, Dan,
I encourage you to get off your butt, get out there,
do some ballroom dancing. It's a it's a really good
it's a really good time.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I have done it, John, I, my wife and I
did it many many years ago. The Cajun two step
ballroom dancing. Yeah, that's awesome. I turned down Dancing with
the Stars just to let you know that's outstanding.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Well, good luck, good luck in the pursuit of whatever
you're looking for. Good luck with the YouTube channel. It's
Gruden loves Football dot Com. That's the website. So he's
taking down things, he said Drew brees On Derek Carr
has been on Grudenlovesfootball dot com. Thank you, John, Hey,
thanks Dan, good luck, thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
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Speaker 2 (12:21):
He's back. He's back better than ever, as opposed to
last Tuesday when he wasn't able to join us. Saquon Barkley,
if the Eagles joining us on the program give me
the difference in morale, how you're feeling is opposed this
Tuesday is opposed to last Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, I mean Victory Mondays are definitely a lot better.
But for me to be honest, I've been something that
I've been once folkused on this season, you know, work
on my trainers and work or what.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Every one of my.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Mentors is not really getting too caught up in the
results and just fall in love with the process. So
week two weeks just being consistent and at and if
I'm able to stay more consistent, you know, gain more
games like this week rather than a loss.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
How long has that lost stay with you?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
It's probably you know, it's definitely a little bit more
difficult when you know there's usually three to four plays
a game that I want to lose your game, and when.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
You're part of that reason, it sticks with you a
little longer.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
But I kind of just had a nice little hour
ride back home because the traffic after the game, you know,
went to sleep, woke up, watch film, watched the play,
and kind of just put in the past. That's the
beauty of the NFL, uh, you know, you got this.
We had to go to New Orleans Saints right away,
so you couldn't really you know, harp.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
On it too much. But lunch free mistakes.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Move on from him?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
What was film session?
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Like?
Speaker 5 (13:46):
I mean, when you really break it down, I probably
had a better game, not statistically against Atlanta than I
had this week against Saints.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
But just one play.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
You know, I was in that whole game and I
just relaxed in a big moment and you know, drop
the ball.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
But then you get the tight game against New Orleans,
do you say anything like what's the huddle like with
the game on the line, who's talking other than Jalen?
Speaker 6 (14:17):
All of us? You know, all of us.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I think that's the beauty of this team. We've got
a lot of you know, captains and leaders on his team.
And that moment, you know, I can remember in the
huddle right before that two minute drive. You know, we're
all looking at each other just saying, no matter what
final way, just continue to believe in each other and
it will go down and drive and put points on
the board.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
And Dallas came up big for us on that drives.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Can you lobby for the ball like receivers do this?
All the time. Can you go back and say, either
to the offensive coaches or quarterback, that give me the ball.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
The beauty of having Kellen on the sideline is, you know,
he has a better feel for the game. He can
he can get a feel for the game. So sometimes
you know you're in the game and you're getting that
that zone and you're flowing right, you know, you can
look to the sideline or when you're over there, you
can let them know, like, this is what I see,
this is what I like, and this is what I
don't like. You gotta have those conversations and it can
get changed.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Right there is the running game back, Like I kind
of want to overreact to this, but it certainly feels
like teams are running the ball a little bit more
through three weeks.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Uh yeah, I would say, so. I'm not trying to
overreact to it either. But you see a lot of backs,
you know, having a lot of great games. You know,
that's just the nature of the game. You're paying a
lot of money to these quarterbacks and to these wide receivers.
So defense got to come up with, you know, game
plans and schemes to make sure you don't throw the
ball around, and you know.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
We have all that.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
We have great receivers, great tight ends, great linemen, and
I believe I'm a I'm a pretty decent back, and
we have a great quarterback. So we haven't been you know,
put it all together yet. So when we put it
all together, we're gonna be a hard team.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah. But I don't understand this that the running back
got kicked to the curb. Everybody else got paid and
running backs didn't like you were you were like scratching
and clawing just to get you know, a million dollars
more whatever. It was like it felt like you're almost
begging for people to pay you what you think you're worth.
(16:14):
What that What was the process like going through that.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
I think it's just the timing.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
You know, it's just bad timing, especially for me when
when it was time for me to get paid. But
it's it's you know, everyone is all into analytics and
stats and this and that, and you know, if you
look at the numbers of what's the highest rusher that
was paid the most in the Super Bowl, and you
know the quarterbacks and obviously the quarterbacks is the one
that feels it and you can get a lot of
(16:41):
these great backs and later rounds and uh, you know,
use them for three years and then continue to have that.
But you know, I think that's just something that people
just make up. It's it's not really me. I think
one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL right now
is brob Party. Shout out to him. You know, obviously
gonna have a be schoonarship together. But he's he was
the last pick of the draft, you know what I mean.
(17:02):
He was the last pick of the draft and NFC
Championship game the give before Super Bowl game last year.
So you know, it's just everything. It's kind of just
what they want the motive to be. But I'm just blessing,
you know, happy for the opportunity that I have right now.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
You should go to Applebee's full uniform, just walk in,
sit down, eye black helmet on, just place an order,
just sit there.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I think I should and especially get to fifty bonus
wings on what they have going on right now. And
if I go on to cheat that, get my favorite
triple chocolate moukdown cake.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
We've been doing this. I've been doing this a long time.
It's very rare when somebody reaches out and sends a
personal note a text to say I'm sorry I can't
join you. I have great respect for you and certainly
appreciated you doing that. You didn't have to. I did
agree that you shouldn't have come on after that loss.
It wouldn't have been a good look for you. But
you know, you had a sponsorship there. But thank you
(18:02):
for sending the text to the show. I really appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Yeah, of course, I felt like that was the right
thing to do.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
And I saw what you put out there, and I
agree to I don't think more so of not being
a good look for me, because at the end of
the day, I'm a big boy. I get paid a
lot of money, and that happens when when you're make
mistakes or you let a team down.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
You got to face those questions.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
And I did that after the game and to be honest,
throughout the whole week leading up to the Saints.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
But I definitely felt like it would have took.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Off a lot of you know, the focus on you know,
the sponsor and Applebee's and you know, the the official
bar and grill of the NFL, and I said, fifty Boness.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Wars by the way. But yeah, but for me, I
just felt like that was the right thing to do.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
And you know, being a big fan of your show,
and obviously you know, talking to you and sitting down
with you and you know, kind of being mentored and
gave me a lot of great advice.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
I felt like that was the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
All right. If you if you need advice to go
into this business one day, my advice would be to
get into the business quick while you're still playing. I
think that's really important. To get get some reps here,
you know, learn learn how to ask questions, or if
you're going to be just an analyst, watch analysts certain
analysts and say, all right, I'm gonna pattern myself. But
(19:15):
if this is what you want to do, start working
on that now. As I told you when I think
I saw you in Miami at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Yeah, on that topic, how do you feel about podcasts
for athletes?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, you got to tell me something and you got
to be careful. Like Micah Parsons to me, is becoming
more for a podcaster and what he says than the
way he's playing. Because Dallas hasn't been playing well and
he's a wonderful player. It's just you gotta be careful.
If you're going to do one, what are you saying
while you're still playing? And people aren't going to just
(19:47):
tune in, go oh, say Kwon Barkley's got a podcast.
They want to know what is different about your podcast?
And that's the true challenge that I tell athletes or
former athletes, What are you telling me that I can't
get elsewhere? What are you doing that's different than anybody else?
That would be the challenge that I would have for you.
Have somebody on with you, but you got to say things.
(20:11):
You gotta have you gotta have content there and a
lot of people don't want to say anything. So that's
where I would caution you. If you go in and
do it, then do it and have a purpose, have
a game. I mean, it's no different than you. We
can week out have a game plan, but you gotta
have that game plan.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Draymond Green has done a pretty good job, but he
likes being a bad guy. He likes being the villain.
You know, are you are you capable of? Like you're
too likable?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You know?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Can you can you be a bad guy? Do you
want to be a villain? You know? Those are things
that you have to embrace and and that's really the
big challenge I find for athletes.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, I think I think more of a find a ways,
like on a bye week or play a safe player
Thursday night game and short week, trying to get on
television and do stuff like that, because that's abstutely something
I want to do. I've had a passion for it
ever since I got in the league. But like you said,
I think it's you have to be able to you know,
have purpose behind it, and it's hard to balance, especially
(21:10):
in the NFL and you know, you don't have seventeen
weeks and when you're balling and you're playing high it's
easy on that show and talk, but you have an
important drop in Monday night football and everyone's saying you
suck and you should go back to New York.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
I do.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I do like the podcast or athletes because I feel
like it gives you a say, especially during my whole
conversation or the whole negotiation process with New York, and
there would be stories lead to me and oh it's
this number of that number.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
It gives you your voice. But I think I think
you hit it on you know, I think you hit
on that.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
But that's that's the right approach. But will would you
have been willing to come on after that loss when
you drop the pass that next day and do a
podcast and be honest with people? Would you be honest
with you know, some of the hate that you got
from fans, the anger you got from fans. Now if
you do that, now you got some people's attention there.
(22:06):
But are you willing to do that to be that revealing?
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I think it's it depends right, it's easier. I feel
like when it's all on my back because I can
go over there and talk about myself. But like you said,
you know, when I'm working for a brand and you
know obviously we're here on behalf of Alpubie's kind of
taking you know, the spotlight away from them when you
know they've been doing the smida's job for me and
putting me in a position. So when when it's on
(22:31):
your own self and you know it's I do it anyway,
I have twenty thousand cameras in my face saying how
do you feel about that?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Drop?
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Is not the third you know, So it's like I
answered the question and so I feel like you have
your voice there.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
But then you also have your voice on your own platform.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
But it's give and take and it's tough, and you know,
I think Micah, you know, obviously being a good friend
of Micah, you know, I think he's doing a great job.
But like I said, especially in that market, it definitely
could be you know, Alice Philly in New York, those
probably three.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You gotta win, you gotta win. I mean that that
makes it a whole lot easier. What bothered you about
hard Knocks in how you were portrayed.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
To be honest, it really wasn't hard knocks. It was
more of the year prior with negotiation, because like you
would get these you would get these numbers that would
come out and be like Saquon turn down this, and
Saquon turned all that, and like some of the numbers
would be correct, but it like they would give you
some of the truth but not the whole truth, and
like just the truth to kind of spin it and
(23:31):
make a certain person look bad. And it's just like, well,
all right, if me and you are having this conversation,
right and we're talking numbers, and then it goes out
that this number was said and only me and you
had this conversation and I'm not the one who said it,
I know it definitely came from you. So for the
Hard Knocks, and I thought the Hard Knocks was a cool,
unique way to let fans in because obviously it's always
(23:53):
been about training camp, but let fans in and see
the off season and see how really Like I watched
the episode three, and I think it was cool how
they like they had like the poker table and they're like, Okay,
this is when you gotta do this the spot, get the.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Office a lineman.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
It gives fan opportunity to see that have that perspective.
But for me, it was weird, I guess because a
lot of it was about me and like I was like,
it felt like it was just like, all right, my
name was just getting used because in reality, it was
like I had one phone call with Joe, which was
the phone call that was on and my agent probably
spoke to him a couple of times, but like on
(24:30):
this side, like in my life, in reality, it was
like the giants really never were actually in play the
second time for me going to negotiation of hitting the
free agency when they could have been the whole time.
So it was fun, it was it was different, but
I really think it was cool for the fans for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, I felt bad for you because I don't think
you knew that you were being taped, that this was
on camera, that you're kind of negotiating. And then when
did you find out that they were going to put
that on Hard Knocks and you didn't even know that
you were being recorded?
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
I wasn't upset about that. Uh, you know, it's part
of business. Like I said, I didn't find out to
the trailer. I saw a trailer like the Hard Knots
of the Giants, and I was like, oh, it's gonna
be pretty cool. And I looked at it and I heard, uh,
you know, the conversation of me. But I wasn't really
upset about it.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Honestly.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
I reached out to to Joe and I was just like,
I wish you would have told me. I would have
put my active voice on. I would have you know,
I would have gave me. I would have gave a
TV uh a TV answer, and you know, you know,
made a little more fun, spiced up the show a
little bit more. But uh, yeah, it's it's that that
really didn't bother me.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And when they told you say, when they told you, hey,
go out and get another offer and then let us know.
I'm like, who does that? Who says, hey, you know,
good luck out there, and then but let us know, Hey,
you're gonna let us know. And I go, he's not
gonna let you know. Once he gets that offer, he's gone.
You're not coming. It's I give you say to your wife, Hey,
if you find a better offer, go ahead, but you know,
(26:00):
I hope you come back to me.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Hun, Hey, listen, you're you're talking way too large, but
right now a lot of people need.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
It a little more like you.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
If I'll be honest.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
That conversation too, I had a whole year, you know,
he said. Joe said, it took however many years off
his life to negotiat the process the year before, but
it probably took ten times more on my life. But
shout out to my agent to be honest. Before the conversation,
he was just like, just keep it short and sweet.
So I didn't overreact to that. I just kind of,
you know, I said what I said, And you know,
(26:32):
I still feel the same way about.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
New York and the Giants organization.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Got nothing but love for those guys, and miss maryor
family and Tish family.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, just glad that you're in an Eagles uniform instead
of a giant's uniform.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
I'm having a bless I'm blessed. I'm still in the NFL.
I'm loving it. Just some guys that would love be
in my position.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You say, Kawan Barkley joining us on behalf of Applebee's.
They're teaming up all season long to keep fans fueled
with America's favorite boneless swings. Great to talk to you,
good luck, and thanks for joining us. As always.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Oh, it was a pleasure man. Take care.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2 (27:14):
Tommy John he spent twenty six years in Major League Baseball,
won two hundred and eighty eight games. He has a
podcast called Rubbing Elbows with Tommy John. His website Tommy
John twenty five dot net. His number was twenty five.
His Facebook group is Tommy dot John Cooperstown, which hopefully
we get him into Cooperstown. Tommy, good to see you again.
(27:38):
You have the oddest type of fame. When did you
embrace that your famous kind of for Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Oh god, it was a long time after I was
out of baseball and everybody Tommy John surgery, Tommy John surgery,
Tommy John surgery. Again, I didn't name it Tommy Johnson surgery.
Doctor Joe did. And so he's the one that stuck
me with that.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Do you know what it was called before you had
the surgery?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
It wasn't called because it had never been done.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
But like they just said, you're getting Owner surgery.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Like when getting the name of the surgery was owner
collateral ligament replacement with the Paul Merris longest tender. And
after they got through and I survived, you know, then
doctor Joe, that's most orthopedics do, went out and talked
(28:39):
to other doctors and he said, I just got tired
of saying that that's such a long drawn out name.
And I came down with, you know, the surgery I
did on Tommy John. You know the surgery I did
on And then they cut it down to you know,
Tommy John surgery. Why there it is?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Did you almost not do it?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
No?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Because I wanted to pitch again, and the only way
I was going to pitch again was to have the surgery, maybe,
how did it catch again?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
How did it feel after you had your surgery? Was
there any difference in how you pitched or you know,
how hard you threw, or any improvement. I have no.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Idea how hard I threw before surgery, because thank god,
we didn't have radar guns. And you see guys out
there now with radar guns that don't know squat about pitching.
But they go, oh, man, look at that. He's good.
And he's good because he's got numbers on the gun.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Well, yeah, and we've hatched a whole new generation of throwers,
not pitchers. And it almost feels like, hey, if I
blow out my arm, I can always have Tommy John
surgery or multiple Tommy John surgeries.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Well there's four or five guys that have had the
surgery twice, and uh, you know, I don't know the
wherewithal about that, but obviously they were doing something wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Does the surgery or your name attached to this surgery
help or hurt your Hall of Fame case?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I think it hurts it because when you look at
too eighty eight and I had one hundred and eighty
eight no decisions, the most in baseball history. So if
you take two hundred and eighty eight wins and one
hundred and eighty eight no decisions. There's a lot of
wins and those no decisions.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Well, if you get in, and I hope you do,
and I've said this before, you had whatever five hundred
decisions when you pitch your e Ra and Verry respectable.
But can we have instead of your bust or a plaque?
Can we just have you know, maybe the arm? Yeah,
your arm? Can we do a statue of your arm
if you get into the Hall of Fame, Tommy, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
That somebody will come up with that. But you know,
I have the cast that doctor job put on me
after the surgery, and my wife Cheryl, and I decided
that we wanted to donate it to a charity, and
we donated to the Smithsonian Institute. So if you go
(31:29):
to the Smithsonian and go to their Sports Hall of
Records or whatever, you'll see the Tommy John cast autograph.
Oh by all the Dodgers, then Scully, Jerry, Dogget, Danny
Murtau because back in that back in that period of time,
(31:51):
I wanted to go sit on the bench during the ballgame,
and you had to get the okay from the opposing manager.
So I go up to him with my arm in
the cast, and I said, Danny, I just want to
sit on the bench and watch the game, can I?
He said two things. Promise me you won't go out
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on the field during a fight and hit somebody with
the cast. And I said okay, And he said, secondly,
I want to sign it. So the first person to
sign my cast was Danny Murtaut the Pittsburgh Pirates.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
How soon after your surgery did the second pitcher go
in for surgery?
Speaker 4 (32:34):
The second pitcher was Brent Strong and Stramy is a
longtime pitching coach with many teams. But I think it
was like a year later, year and a half later.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Well, you're You're Neil Armstrong. So Strawmy is the second
person on the moon. You know, I'm try he is.
We remember you. I thought contributions to game now, I
would have thought to eighty eight would be enough to
get into the Hall of Fame. But if I attached
contributions to the game, do you feel like you've contributed
(33:10):
to the game because of the surgery that you had?
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Oh my god, yes, I'm with you. If too eighty
eight can't get you into the Hall of fame. Then
I don't want in. I'll just stay outside and and look,
I don't mean that.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
But.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Don't say that. Now there's a campaign to get you
in next next year.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Well, you know, here's what my wife, Cheryl believes this.
My number was twenty five, and if I go into
the Hall of Fame, it'll be twenty twenty five. And
what's the other twenty five? Oh the address of the hall,
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it's twenty five Main Street, Cooperstown.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I like that. I think that's awesome. But you know what,
if you're not successful, then we don't have Tommy John surgery.
So that's that's where you won twenty games. I think
you had one twenty one season. I think after you
had Tommy John Surgeryes that sound right.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
After surgery?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:25):
I think I had three.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Oh, you didn't have any prior to surgery.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Oh okay, because I think you won ten games the
following year, and I thought you I was.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Ten and ten. Yeah, I was ten and ten, and
then that was seventy six, seventy seven, seventy eight. I
may have squeezed twenty out of there.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Do people ask to see your elbow your arm when
they meet.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
You all the time.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
What's it and what's you know?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
And I make them, I'll make them pay me.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Is there a scar?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Uh, there was a very visible scar and now it's
kind of pulled back and uh it's you got really
got a look to see it.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Also. But Tommy, I don't know if he's proud of this.
He managed to make three errors on one play. That
was what when you were with the Yankees?
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Yeah, yeah, it takes quite a few words to do that.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
How did you commit three errors on one play?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
They hit the ball back to me, mean between the
mound and first base, and I come charging in and
I picked the ball up, drop it, pick it up,
drop it, pick it up, drop it. Then why I
did what I did? I picked the ball up and
I underhand through it to first base and through it
(36:03):
by the first basement way out in the left field. Well,
that's air number two. And the right fielder gets it
and throws it in and misses the cutoff man, and
I'm just standing there and I pick it up and
they go home and I turn and I fired it
by the catcher's their like that, and that's air number three.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Well, congratulations, you know you got to if you're going
to go down in baseball history, go down doing something good.
But you were around big personalities, like what's your favorite story,
whether it's in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, where you
run into a celebrity or a player.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I've got two quick ones. I'm going out to the car.
This is with the Dodgers, because Yankees the only people
that would go out to the ballgame with the mob.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
The mob.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Oh okay, you you ran into the mob.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Oh yeah, because I had Italian friends. That okay. But
I'm I'm going I'm leaving the ballpark and I had
just fetched that day, and I'm going to the car
and I hear Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, and somebody's waving a
(37:25):
turn around and I go, holy, it's Kerry Grant and
he comes up and you know, how am I? You know?
But when I was with the Dodgers, I'm sitting on
the bench and the clubhouse kid comes down and he said, Tommy,
you're wanted up in Losorta's office. Well, I turn and
(37:48):
I look to my right and the Losorta's down on
the end of the bench standing. So I go up
and the door's locked and I knock on the door,
and the door opens, and here standing in his tidy whiteyes,
as Don Rickles, and.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Come in.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Lock the door. And I said, Rickles, I'm not that
kind of a guy. I said, do you think everybody
just and he said, get in here. You puttson, and
he said, look, you're the only guy I could count on.
He was going to be ball boy and he wanted
to be dressed properly. So I dressed him, make sure
(38:31):
all this stuff, and he leaves and he pats me
on the button. He said, I owe you Palt. Okay, fine,
well we go out in the first game of the
World Series. I'm pitching, and I lose and we don't
play very well, and the sword is coming in. So
(38:57):
the next day, get in here, in here and sat down.
He said, you guys playing, Yes, you played terrible. You
know what about he said, I went out and I
called around and I got the best sports psychologist in
the world that's going to work with you guys, and
we go oh he done. So the door opens and
(39:20):
then walks Rickles. He was he just got everybody laughing
and giggling, and so I'm The clubhouse at Dodger Stadium
was laid out alphabetic, and I'm right there with bird Hooton,
Charlie Huff, Tommy John, and he goes, you know, bird Hooton,
(39:45):
Bert f and Hooton, Charlie Huff, Charlie f and Huff,
Tommy John, Tommy F and John. That's paid. And he
went and the guy said, what did you do? You
know that he didn't rail on you, And I said, oh,
you're not gonna believe it. But we had a good
(40:09):
time with Rickles. And the other guy that was really
good to me was a guy named Sinatra. Yeah, my
mother was dying of cancer and I wanted to get
her down to the cancer hospital in Houston, Texas, and
so I was making plans on chartering a plane to
(40:32):
fly her down and I get a call from Lesorta.
He said, Tommy, Frank wants to Frank wants to bring
his plane in to Terre Haute and fly your mother
down to Houston. It's on him. And I went, oh
that is how nice? Is that? Well, my mother passed
(40:54):
away before we could get the plane there and get down,
but I think Frank, but that's the way it was
playing for the Dodgers. You had Brickles, you had Sinatra
carry grant you had all these people were up in
the stands.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
He's Tommy John. His podcast Rubbing Elbows with Tommy John,
the website Tommy John, the number twenty five dot net,
and his Facebook group is Tommy dot John Cooper's Town.
I hope you get positive results, Tommy. It's a long
time coming. And good luck with the campaign.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Oh, thank you much. Hey, could I say hi to
a seven year old boy that skipped school to watch
You and Me? His name is Braxton Bent and he's
seven years old. He lives southern California. He's a huge
baseball fan, but he skipped school today specifically to watch
(41:51):
you and Me.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah, that's great, Thank you, Thank.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
You, Tommy. Good to see you.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
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