November 9, 2024 • 29 mins
Atlanta Falcons RB Bijan Robinson joins the show and marvels at Saquon Barkley’s ridiculous reverse hurdle move on Sunday. Dan talks about the opening games of the NCAA Men’s Basketball season including Cooper Flagg’s debut with Duke. Plus, Dan recaps the strongest moves after the NFL trade deadline and talks to Tom Pelissero about it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He is an aspiring DJ, inspiring actor, and already a
great running back. He's b Jon Robinson, running back for
the Falcons. How are we feeling today?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yeah, man, Well, first off, I just want to say
hello and good to talk to you again. But feeling great.
You know, body's just a little sore, but you know
I feel great. I feel you know, refreshed, obviously, you know,
I gotta get my body back to normal.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
But feel good.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Wait, but what hurts after a game like that?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
You're more so just like sore kind of in your
legs and then my shoulders are a little sore. But
other than that, like I do as much, I try
to do as much as I can to to break
a lot of tackles, so I don't feel it the
next day. That's that's kind of one of the main
reasons why I try to do that. So but feel
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Did you see Saquon Barkley's backwards leap.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, that was a that was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Okay, I'm gonna lie like I've I've seen a lot
of things on the field. I've done a lot of
things on the field. But I obviously never seen that before.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Like that was awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Have you even thought about doing something like that?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Honestly?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Like so, in college, my second game of my college career,
I tried to jump over somebody and almost like broke
my neck in Texas Tech and it was just the
craziest thing. So Ever since that day, I haven't even attempted.
I've jumped over the lines and stuff, but never over somebody.
But now seeing that, I'm like, I have to. I
have to try to challenge him on some.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And there's gonna be a lot of imitators. Now you're
gonna see this in high school in college, and you
know you're gonna have and it's gonna look ugly. It's
like everybody wanted to shoot trees because Steph Curry was
shooting threes and it's not only you.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Pretty I would definitely hope kids don't try that move
because yeah, that's that's asking for injury. He just got
real lucky on that on that one, and it looked
very nice. Oh man, it was impressive, all right. The
acting career has Matthew mcconnie. Hey, you know fellow tech
actually Longhorn Gun is he helping you become an actor.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I mean he gives me.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
He gives me tips and pointers all the time, and
I always ask him questions on like how to how
to become a better, better actor, especially like in the
off season, why.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Didn't he put you in his movies that would help
a lot instead of giving you tips?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well, because like he knows that I'm in I'm in
season and doing things. But definitely, like when I'll have
time to open that window and that slot up, then
then you know, then we'll definitely be talking about it. Oh,
happy birthday to him. Shout shout out to him.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Oh, okay birthday. Yeah. When it comes to this team, Yeah,
where do you think you stand? Like, who's the best
team in the NF six?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I think we are.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Do you think you're better than Detroit and Philly?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Then the Lions are playing great, you know, Philly is
playing great.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
But you know, I feel like we.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Have a lot of you know, threats on this on
this team, and it's starting up to open up and.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Get better and better every single week.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
But I you know, I think there's a lot of
a lot of great teams, but you know, I feel
like we we have the team that you know that
that's playing, that's playing good, playing positive, and you know,
hopefully we just con seine to just keep on rolling.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
B Sean Robinson Falcons running back. Uh, you go to Texas?
How did it field to beat the Cowboys?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
It felt good.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I had a lot of a lot of text messages
after the game, a lot of people hitting me up
because obviously that's where I was at for three years,
so a lot a lot of Cowboy fans and they're
just like, man, you you didn't have to do this,
it's my feet, which was all fun.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Were you a Cowboys fan?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
No? I wasn't. I wasn't. I didn't. I didn't have
a team.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Obviously I was around the Cowboys a lot, just because
you know that I would. I would be in Austin
and and that's who who the team was. And if
I went to Dallas sometimes like to train, like I
trained right across their facility, So just I just I'm
just around them all the time.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
But you know, it definitely felt good to get a
win on the on those guys.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Wait a minute, how do you not have a team?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Growing up?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So my my grandpa, So my grandpa, he was a
Pac twelve referee or pack ten referee, and he wasn't
supposed to root for a team like because he couldn't
root for anybody. So I just I just became the
same way, and I didn't root for nobody, and I
just became a player fan instead of like a like
a team.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Fan favorite player growing up.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, Reggie Bush obviously I was still young, but Reggie
Bush at USC and then I love Danni and Thomason
and then Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Wow, yep, yep, pretty good list. There are you allowed
to ask for the ball in the huddle?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I mean receivers do that though, Bijon, don't come back go.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I was open, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, what we'll definitely
talk about on the sideline. I tried not to like
say anything in the huddle just because like Karkassa like
say the play, So I just stay quiet. But then
sometimes I'll be like like Kirk, like look at this,
like it'll be open like and then he's like yep, yep,
and he sees it. And then a lot of time
(05:10):
he's gonna throw, which which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So it doesn't matter if like if you said, hey,
you know, I'm ready, I think this play will work.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
You can't even say something like that that that will Yeah, No,
I can't. It's just like in the play, none of
us will really say anything. But then on the sideline though,
then we'll talk about it, and then we'll get it
up to the coordinator and then then we'll probably run
it the next series or a couple series later.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
He's kind of like old enough to be your dad, right, Kirk? Absolutely, yeah, Jay,
no doubt about it. Do you make fun of that?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I did? I definitely did.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I was like, you know, I was definitely like yo, Kirk,
you know, you know, you know, you're definitely give my
dad man, like.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Just real talk.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
He just laughs about it.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And it's crazy because like he was in college when
I was like four.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
That's that's cool too.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You should you guys should change wardrobes for a day.
Let him dress like you normally. Do you dress like
he does?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Honestly, I'll think he I don't think he'll accept it.
I don't dress too crazy at all, so I think
he'll he look pretty uh pretty pretty smooth. And then
with me, yeah, we'll see how that goes. What's with
the djang that you're doing now? So Actor Football player djang.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, I just I just you know, I try to
like to do a lot of different things, you know,
some things that you know, I know I could be
good at.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
What's your DJ game?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
So I don't have a name yet.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I think it's gonna be DJ spin Zone, but just
because I like spind on the field and do stuff
like that. But I'm trying to see if it's not
cringey still.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But DJ spin Yes, spin Okay, DJ spin Zone, so
like but.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
You know, we'll see, we'll see that that that cuts it.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
But yeah, I just I just like to do a
lot of different stuff and you know, expand my my
broads and things. And you know, I think DJ and
is like really cool and a really cool energy changer
for you. And then obviously acting is you know, you
gotta work really hard at it, and I just love
to just like work in and do things like that.
But yeah, those are those are two cool things that
I that I've conquered, that I've done.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well. Congrats another big win and great performance by you.
You beat the Cowboys so always always good in Atlanta.
Great to talk to you again. Thanks, thanks for joining us. Yeah,
absolutely appreciate you. That that's b Jon Robinson.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
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Speaker 2 (07:55):
I did tune in to see some Duke and Maine
Cooper flag. The Consens number one pick for this upcoming
draft had some good numbers all around numbers there. The
guy to keep an eye on is con Canipple Me
con Canipple k o N. He's from Wisconsin, he is,
(08:18):
he attacks, He's six five sixty six, he can shoot,
and I'm watching him little background there. I think his
dad is is or was a former college basketball coach.
I think he's got four or five brothers. All of
their first names begin with a K. And con Canipple
(08:41):
had twenty two last night in what twenty one minutes
or so, thirty minutes of work there for Duke Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Con ko n Canipple, k n U E P p
e L. First guest I would have said.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Cannoople yeah, not Cannoeple yeah. And now Todd's favorite player
canip Hi far.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I'm going to Cameron Indoor in the next month or two.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I got tickets Yeah, if Canipple goes cold, I mean
get rolling, grow up you guys. Yes, Marvin when he
dunks con Air, Okay, I don't take that. But Cooper
kind of fragilistic Xbiladosha's flag was he's good. Yeah, he's
(09:30):
on the perimeter, taken to the hoop. Now it is
against Maine, the Black Bears, But yeah, I watched that.
I watched Kentucky against Wright State and Oklahoma State against
Wisconsin Green Bay. Doug Gottlieb's debut in the coaching ranks,
went out to his alma mater and they hung in
(09:52):
there first half. I think they were eighteen and a
half point underdogs, maybe lost by sixteen something like that.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Yes, Paul going back to Duke. Duke obviously invites Maine
down to open a season because of Cooper Flag. Is
that thoughtful of Duke?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So cool or cruel?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Is it a cool move to invite Maine. They don't
get a lot of national attention.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Wouldn't it been better to go to Maine? That would
have been cool. So Cooper Flag goes back to Maine
to play against the Black Bears.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Maybe during a sophomore year.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
That would have I don't think there's a home and
a way between Maine and Duke. Be great if there is,
But what Cooper Flag is not going to be there
for a sophomore year, PAULI, this is this is it?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, this is the one to It would be cruel
to go back there next year without Cooper Flag. To me,
cool or cruel cool? Or cruel cool or cruel?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
You know what? Duke giving Maine a little national coverage.
I don't know how much you get paid? How much
do teams get paid? Because I don't was this on
the schedule?
Speaker 7 (11:05):
How far in advance did they book this game that
they just so happened to get a Duke, got a
kid from Maine as their superstar player, and then they
end up playing Maine.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, what are the odds of you get him?
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Now?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He was playing in Florida. Yeah, he's from Mountain Verdict. Yeah,
but he's from Maine. But you just happened to open
the season with Cooper Flag from Maine against Maine at Duke.
Just a coincidence? There nothing to see a couple of
phone calls in here Chris in Utah, Hi Chris, what's
on your mind?
Speaker 9 (11:35):
Hey?
Speaker 10 (11:36):
Dan?
Speaker 9 (11:36):
You kind of hit on this already, But for those
of us who watch on Peacock, since Codd likes to
see the pain of others, how about the camera's just
focused on him when he does anything wrong, nothing right,
just anything wrong?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So just keep a camera a toddcam. Sure? Okay, how
does that equate this?
Speaker 11 (11:58):
Did I say like we should keep the Carolyn tail
Swift for the entire four quarters? Like little moments of
good and bad chief play where everybody's getting a little
magnifying glass out and get a little crazy right now?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Anything, Well, you're kind of turning on America's sweetheart.
Speaker 11 (12:13):
I love Taylor Swift and I have some of our
songs on my iPhone when I'm working out.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Actually, you would like to see the other side, the
range of emotions. Okay, theay, great play?
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Oh no, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
They have to punt, yes, Seaton.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
To be fair, Todd has the exact opposite problem here
that that caller just suggested, where, Hey, it'd be nice
if we could see you anytime he makes a mistake
or does something wrong, we get to see his reaction
to it. The way that this show goes, Todd does
almost nothing right. It would be nice to see him
get a compliment and hey man, nice job on that,
and then see what his reaction would be like, oh
(12:47):
my god, I just sound it well, thank you back.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
That's really the way, because it'd be like Todd, what Todd?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
What the heck?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
What Todd?
Speaker 7 (12:56):
This is that he could get to see him sort
of like figure his way out of like I don't
know understand how.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I got put in this position, but uh here I am.
Speaker 11 (13:03):
How was the worst rhyme time? Or that doesn't that
joke wasn't funny, or you're trying to it? Or who
told you to sing? You didn't raise your hand.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
He doesn't do a lot right here, so we it
would It would be the exact opposite of.
Speaker 11 (13:12):
Your noises with your mouth. You're talking too fast. I've
heard it all. I'm leaving up by seventeen other things.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No lies detected right there. Yeah, well, that's why we
keep a camera on you at all times, in case
something good happens, in case you guys are great.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
I'm terrible. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows everyone else.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Are you doing your donald?
Speaker 6 (13:35):
You're a terrible one, they're great.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
How would you feel if we just complimented you all day.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
I think I would enjoy that very much. I know
it would be fake now that you've said it. Yeah,
nobody wants Pike.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Oh you don't.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
No, I don't want that. You just said you're not
a big ry rock guy.
Speaker 11 (13:51):
But which means every once in a while when you
say something like hey, good whatever, it means that much
more because you don't do that on a regular babi.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I I could be better about it. It's just my
standards are high. I expect us to be great, and
when people do their job, they're supposed to do their job.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
And you're more comfortable pointing out the mistakes.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
That's cool.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
We're all cool with them.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I want to be great. You can. You can point
out my mistakes.
Speaker 11 (14:13):
No, it's not about tick for tag, but like in general,
if we kept like a graph or Paul would be like,
you know, when we have to come talk to you
the other side, It's not like just want to say
keep up the great work. You know, Oh my god,
here we go, come to Jesus time. What did I
do wrong? Now?
Speaker 6 (14:25):
I'm just calling it like it is. If everyone else
is afraid to bring it up, whatever.
Speaker 11 (14:29):
Well I just want them to talk to you in
private about like you're really kicking ass. I know the
guests has been impeccable, and it's.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Like years I can't why.
Speaker 11 (14:42):
Yeah, my Christmas gift, I remember it was a scroll
of things I did wrong over the twenty twenty fourth season.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It wasn't a scroll, all is funny. It was Paige.
Speaker 11 (14:51):
Yeah, I drove hot with tears and it was probably
somewhere between seven to nine things that you either thought
I did bed.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Or really horrible manifesto. There was a a big shit there.
Speaker 9 (15:01):
I know.
Speaker 11 (15:01):
I didn't feel good walking out of that. I thought
I'd hear one good thing. No, I guess just nine
fath things.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But you know I have to say, over our two
decades plus, I do tell you things years ago that
I'm still telling you. So you don't listen to me.
Maybe if you did listen to me, we wouldn't still
be bringing those things.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Still very sensitive. I still get upset about it.
Speaker 11 (15:22):
You would think I'd go up and you guys poking me.
We have one guest, we have four guests, we have
no guests, and.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
We're not We will not do that. I will not
do that. If you don't get any guests or you
get one guess, whatever it is, I don't I want
the right guest on. Did I tell you that? Okay,
so then stop.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
There's a lot of dead air right now you continue.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I have nothing to say to that, Yeah, because I
did tell you. I don't want you to feel like
you're your great is attached to whoever you had.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
On no matter how many times you tell me that.
Speaker 11 (15:57):
Maybe it's just the pressure I put on myself, regardless
of you're trying to comfort me.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
It's like, oh my god, it's ten o'clock at night.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
We went off.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
I guess tomorrow. Oh, we just have the guy from
the Tampa Gazette that's not going to cover.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Joe in Texas joins us on the program. Good morning, Joe,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (16:10):
Good morning? I just wanted to call say I agree
with Todd. You God blessed Todd. He goes my vote
for Then at MVP. Oh, okay, show okay, can show
a Taylor Swift to good in a bagase he never
knows you might drop drop her net bomb or s
mom or call him when he might drop a play
like that last night and say what a dumb blank
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
All right, Joe's on your sign.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
I appreciate that, Joe.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
No, I don't know who else is, but I'm sure
there's a lot of people out there rooting for you.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Not everybody calls in, not everybody sends notes on social media.
Speaker 11 (16:42):
That's the silence and majority, you know, just got to
keep quiet and they just are not comfortable calling in,
or the don't want to.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Be on hold. Whatever it is. Most of the people
always agree with me. Everybody knows this.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I hope this always gets to you. I hope it
all this affects you. Yeah, I do, because it's it's
good content.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
You know.
Speaker 11 (17:04):
I'm gonna be in an old age home somewhere waiting
for my soup, and I'm gonna be like, oh my god,
I need a second hour guests for Thursday, and the
nurse's gonna be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (17:11):
I'm making Andy send. I don't how anybody guests canceled
for eleven.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Mister Fritz, mister Fritz, you haven't been doing this for
over thirty years.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I think the plug line for the book, Oh my god,
too late. I can't run it for the room. Now
what are you doing? You're ninety three? Years old. Just
sit and have your soup.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
But you know what, when you're having your soup, you're
probably gonna sound like this.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
He wasn't even sure if he should have shown up.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Now quick get tous reaction to that.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Mister Fritz, I think you must have had a mild stroke.
Speaker 11 (17:40):
That people don't talk like that. You're gonna have to
run a battery of test. Nothing's going on with your voice.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
How about we take a break here. Okay, at least
it's Friday.
Speaker 11 (17:48):
Yeah, yeah, Friday Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
It does feel that way, Mike Fourio, Why.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Do you're doing a great job? So if I hosting
the show, I want to let you know, I just.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Wanted to call you even really killing it lately. Going
to take a break, all right, take a break.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
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seven eastern. All right, Tom, before we get started, you
(18:29):
can start your team with Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
They're both twenty seven years of age. Who you taken
as your quarterback.
Speaker 10 (18:40):
So Peyton Manning won his first MVP I believe, at
age twenty seven in three so he was very much
like coming into his prime at that point. I was
covering the Packers in the early stages of Aaron Rodgers' career.
I was on at the Green Bay Press Gazette from
seven to nine, so he was a little bit age
twenty seven. He was coming into his MVP years there too.
(19:05):
I think it's probably Peyton, honestly, just because the track
record was there. You know, Aaron had gone the Juco
route and then had played at Cal and they totally
remade his mechanics early on. You were still finding out now,
you know, nine, ten eleven, he suddenly was playing at
you know, the best level in the NFL. But just
in terms of like the safety who I feel most
(19:26):
confident about, I'd probably say Payton man Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I don't know if there's a wrong answer. Aaron I
think was twenty eight when he won his MVP. Peyton.
Because I mentioned this, I wonder if there's gonna be
a bias with Lamar Jackson because he hasn't won a
super Bowl, and it feels like we sometimes base our
regular season vote on or against somebody because they haven't
done well in the postseason. We do this in the NBA.
(19:52):
You know, Joe Ellenbiid hadn't won anything, but he somehow
got an MVP. Joker, they held it against him. You
can't give him another MVP. Jannis got an MVP after
he won a title there, so I wonder Lamar probably
with a bias against him. And then you got what's
happening with Derrick Henry as well?
Speaker 10 (20:11):
Yeah, well I think that's I think that's the more
compelling point Dan is Derrick Henry. If you've got two
people on the same team and you can make a
coach and argument for either of them being the MVP,
then is either of them the MVP or is it
kind of the perfect you know, collective. I don't think
that the now. Everybody does it differently. I had a
(20:32):
vote for a number of years and then they don't
let you vote when you go to NFL network, so
I lost my vote. My procedure was I just talked
to every coaching GM in the league that I could
and said, like, who would you vote for on all
these awards. I think other people probably just vote on
gut feeling or what they're seeing on the field. I
know that's Aaron Rodgers won four MVPs and he's got
(20:54):
one Super Bowl win. Lamar's won two MVPs without a
Super Bowl win. I think that we liked the new thing.
I think that's the biggest bias that we see is, Hey,
you know, Cam Newton had an unbelievable year, and he
did in twenty fifteen, but at no point before or
after that was he an MVP level type of a player.
He won in a landslide in twenty fifteen. Because you know,
(21:18):
it just gets boring voting for Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.
Bill Belichick I think only won like one or two
Coach of the Year awards because people get bored. They
like the new thing, you know, and then half the
time the coach of the year two years later they're fired.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, but Jared Goff, you can't play any better than
he's played in the last six games. These are historical numbers,
and they're winning it. There's efficiency, they appear to be
the best team in the NFC. But it doesn't feel
like Jared Goff gets mentioned when and look, I'm not
(21:51):
campaigning for him. I just know what he's doing hasn't
been done before. So the value you get for him
with your team has to be factored in as well.
Speaker 10 (22:04):
Jared Goffs had a really weird career when you think
about it. I mean, he's the number one overall pick
in twenty sixteen. He plays his first year, takes over
under Jeff Fisher, and it's just abysmal, and everyone in
the world is saying the Rams messed up. They should
have drafted Carson Wentz. This guy can't play. Sean mcveiga's there.
The following year, Jared goff starts playing all a sudden
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at a really high level, and there was a lot
made of, you know, the communication and how McVeigh was
in Golf's here and helping him through, but Jared was
learning all the way through. There, they go to a
Super Bowl, they get shut down by the Patriots. A
year or two later, McVeigh decides, I can't win with
the guy.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
He's the throwing.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
They had to trade a first round pick to offload
his guaranteed money to get Matthew Stafford. Obviously he worked
on well for the Rams because you know, they won
a super Bowl in that first year with Stafford, But
for Golf to go from he's a joke to, oh
my goodness, he's one of the best players in the
league too, he's a joke again, back to these one
of the best players in the league. Like, you don't
see that type of arc a whole lot here. I
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think that, yeah, I mean, I think that that some
of that does perhaps get held against people. Everybody knows.
Ben Johnson's really good, Dan Campbell's really good. They got
tons of weapons on that Lion's team.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
But they're still you know, going out there.
Speaker 10 (23:15):
They lose Ayton Hutchinson, one of the best young defensive
players in the league, and it doesn't even matter because
they're scoring fifty points a game. I think that Jared
Goff has to be considered among the MVP candidates, even
though you know, if you put together the Jared Goff
highlight reel versus the Lamar or Holmes highlight reel, you know, Golf.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Loses Tom Pelvisero NFL Network insider, give me the best
trade rumor you heard yesterday that didn't come to fruition
or the last week or so, I.
Speaker 10 (23:43):
Would say, I mean, there's always you know, various names
that pop up at different points, and there was a
lot made of you know, the Rams stuff, which was real,
I mean, the Cooper Cuff stuff. They absolutely explored it.
He didn't end up getting traded all of a sudden.
They win three games in a row and they're like
a half game back in the Vision lead. Now, you know,
if that season goes a different direction, are we talking
about Matthew Stafford potentially being traded. I mean, there were
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definitely people speculating about that when they were one and four,
but we didn't have We never had a quarterback suffer
a major season ending injury. That's one of the biggest
differences last year versus this year. You know, you had
that early spate last year of Aaron Rodgers gets hurt
right out of the gate and Cousins gets hurt and
Anthony Richardson gets hurt. Like there was this line of
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quarterbacks suffering major injuries.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
We didn't have it.
Speaker 10 (24:30):
So a lot of the quarterback stuff never really got
ramped up just because there wasn't the need there. I
would say, you know, one of the wildest trades that
happened was what happened with Marshawn Lattimore because the Saints
go from firing Dennis Allen on Sunday or Monday or
Monday morning whatever. It was a very unique statement. I
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think it's fair to say for Mickey Loomis where he
basically says like, this wasn't Dennis Allen's fault. He's a
great coach. We had a ton of injuries and we're
gonna miss him. I don't rec seeing a GM say
something there was no there was no turn in the
statement to but we needed to.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Make a change.
Speaker 10 (25:05):
So Mickey Loomis feels like Stilly's got a really good team.
The one guy they were gonna trade was Latimore. And
credit to Mickey for, you know, stirring up a market.
They had four different teams. I thought it was getting
done to the Chiefs that they were gonna make yet
another splash.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Oh wow.
Speaker 10 (25:19):
You know, the Ravens were in that mix, the Chargers were,
I believe in that mix. And then in the end
it's the Commanders who a year ago were the big
story of trade deadline because they traded everybody, because they
traded Chase Young to San Francisco and they traded Montes
Sweat to Chicago for to get a year later and
for them to be the team that really came out
of nowhere in the last hour before that trade got
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done and give up a third and fourth round pick
to add a veteran cornerback. You know, it's it's a
fun time to watch what the what the Commanders are doing.
But that was definitely one where you're chasing all these
different permutations, and I did not think until the final
twenty minutes or so that he was going to Washington.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Who should have been traded?
Speaker 10 (25:59):
It's a good question. I'm a little bit surprised that
the Browns didn't do more. I think that that's probably
indicative of the fact that they feel like they had
a playoff team last year. And but for you know,
the up and down quarterback play that they've had throughout
the course of the season, and now with de Shaan Watson
hurt yet again, another guy who got hurt last year,
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another one of those ones where they went through five
different quarterbacks, they feel like they, you know, they still
could have been good. I mean, it sounded like they
were willing to trade just about anybody. I wasn't surprised
that they didn't trade Miles Garrett. But I thought, you know,
between listen, they already traded Amari Cooper and that was
a fairly significant deal. They traded Zadarius Smith to Detroit
finally yesterday after after several weeks of work. But you know,
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between let's say, you know, Greg Newsom, I'm just throwing
out names, and I thought, like made sense on paper,
Greg Newsom, maybe David Njoku. You've got some good players
Elijah Moore that you probably could get value for. I
thought maybe this would be a especially knowing the Browns
analytical approach, I thought maybe this would be more of
a go down to build back up. They seem to be,
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you know, looking forward twenty twenty five of let's get
a new quarterback potentially, you know, see where Deshaun Watson is. Realistically,
they got to draft a quarterback next year, and they
did pick up some ammunition. I thought maybe they'd pick
up even more.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, I don't know if you can rebuild with Deshaun
Watson's contract there.
Speaker 10 (27:21):
It's it's a really valid point. Dan, I would say this,
you know, ninety two million dollars is what they still
over the next two years. Forget this year for a second,
because they already paid that down anyway, they own ninety
two million over the next two years. That would be
the most cash that we've ever seen a team eat.
But we just saw the Broncos last year eat somewhere
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around forty million of Russell Wilson. Just to say we
are moving on, how do the Browns get out of
out of things with Deshaun Watson. I mean, there's several
different ways this could go. One is you just say
we're paying them anyway, Let's draft a quarterback, sign a quarterback, whatever,
Let the Shawn come in. It's an open competition, and
we see what happens, and we either cut him or
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is the backup or maybe you know, he finally gets
back and is the starter again, but we let it ride.
The second option of this is you pull off a
brock Osweiler style trade or you send you know, assets
with the player to get rid of the player and
get rid of his money. Ninety two million would be
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an extreme amount to trade. I mean brock Osweiler, you know,
that's always the example because the Browns at the time
took on his seventeen million dollars salary and got a
second round pick out of it. Well, if the second
round picks were seventeen million, what do you get for
ninety two million. I mean, you're probably throwing good money
after bad literally and figuratively, if you're saying, all right,
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let's send two first round picks just to try to
get rid of Deshawn's money. So the third option is
you cut them. You just say, we're going to eat
the ninety two million. It is what it is. We're
going to take it now and Deshaun can go on
to the next thing. We are getting a clean break.
That would hurt, obviously, because they put so much into
this trade in several first round picks, giving them a
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two or three million dollars fully guaranteed contract, taking you
all the flat that they did, and a lot of
it justified for making that trade at the time that
they did it. But you know, they thought they were
getting a top five quarterback. Instead they got a guy
who on paper is the least efficient quarterback in the
entire NFL. Is hurt once again, and it's played a
grand total if I want to say, it's nineteen games
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over the past four seasons combined. That's where they are.
I think you can rebuild, but it's gonna take a
little bit of you know, it's gonna take some pain.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
We've seen teams do it.
Speaker 10 (29:39):
The Bills did it early on when Sean McDermott and
Brandon Bean were there, just took the boatload of the
cap consequences and everything else. They had a really down
second year, but then you know, you got that thing
building in the right direction. It's not impossible. It'll hurt,
it's gonna be pain, but it's not impossible.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Dan, great to talk to you. Thank you again. Tom
appreciate it as always.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He is an aspiring DJ, inspiring actor, and already a
great running back. He's b Jon Robinson, running back for
the Falcons. How are we feeling today?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yeah, man, Well, first off, I just want to say
hello and good to talk to you again. But feeling great.
You know, body's just a little sore, but you know
I feel great. I feel you know, refreshed, obviously, you know,
I gotta get my body back to normal.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
But feel good.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Wait, but what hurts after a game like that?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
You're more so just like sore kind of in your
legs and then my shoulders are a little sore. But
other than that, like I do as much, I try
to do as much as I can to to break
a lot of tackles, so I don't feel it the
next day. That's that's kind of one of the main
reasons why I try to do that. So but feel
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Did you see Saquon Barkley's backwards leap.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, that was a that was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Okay, I'm gonna lie like I've I've seen a lot
of things on the field. I've done a lot of
things on the field. But I obviously never seen that before.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Like that was awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Have you even thought about doing something like that?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Honestly?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Like so, in college, my second game of my college career,
I tried to jump over somebody and almost like broke
my neck in Texas Tech and it was just the
craziest thing. So Ever since that day, I haven't even attempted.
I've jumped over the lines and stuff, but never over somebody.
But now seeing that, I'm like, I have to. I
have to try to challenge him on some.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And there's gonna be a lot of imitators. Now you're
gonna see this in high school in college, and you
know you're gonna have and it's gonna look ugly. It's
like everybody wanted to shoot trees because Steph Curry was
shooting threes and it's not only you.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Pretty I would definitely hope kids don't try that move
because yeah, that's that's asking for injury. He just got
real lucky on that on that one, and it looked
very nice. Oh man, it was impressive, all right. The
acting career has Matthew mcconnie. Hey, you know fellow tech
actually Longhorn Gun is he helping you become an actor.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I mean he gives me.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
He gives me tips and pointers all the time, and
I always ask him questions on like how to how
to become a better, better actor, especially like in the
off season, why.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Didn't he put you in his movies that would help
a lot instead of giving you tips?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well, because like he knows that I'm in I'm in
season and doing things. But definitely, like when I'll have
time to open that window and that slot up, then
then you know, then we'll definitely be talking about it. Oh,
happy birthday to him. Shout shout out to him.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Oh, okay birthday. Yeah. When it comes to this team, Yeah,
where do you think you stand? Like, who's the best
team in the NF six?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I think we are.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Do you think you're better than Detroit and Philly?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Then the Lions are playing great, you know, Philly is
playing great.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
But you know, I feel like we.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Have a lot of you know, threats on this on
this team, and it's starting up to open up and.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Get better and better every single week.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
But I you know, I think there's a lot of
a lot of great teams, but you know, I feel
like we we have the team that you know that
that's playing, that's playing good, playing positive, and you know,
hopefully we just con seine to just keep on rolling.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
B Sean Robinson Falcons running back. Uh, you go to Texas?
How did it field to beat the Cowboys?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
It felt good.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I had a lot of a lot of text messages
after the game, a lot of people hitting me up
because obviously that's where I was at for three years,
so a lot a lot of Cowboy fans and they're
just like, man, you you didn't have to do this,
it's my feet, which was all fun.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Were you a Cowboys fan?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
No? I wasn't. I wasn't. I didn't. I didn't have
a team.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Obviously I was around the Cowboys a lot, just because
you know that I would. I would be in Austin
and and that's who who the team was. And if
I went to Dallas sometimes like to train, like I
trained right across their facility, So just I just I'm
just around them all the time.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
But you know, it definitely felt good to get a
win on the on those guys.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Wait a minute, how do you not have a team?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Growing up?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So my my grandpa, So my grandpa, he was a
Pac twelve referee or pack ten referee, and he wasn't
supposed to root for a team like because he couldn't
root for anybody. So I just I just became the
same way, and I didn't root for nobody, and I
just became a player fan instead of like a like
a team.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Fan favorite player growing up.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, Reggie Bush obviously I was still young, but Reggie
Bush at USC and then I love Danni and Thomason
and then Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Wow, yep, yep, pretty good list. There are you allowed
to ask for the ball in the huddle?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I mean receivers do that though, Bijon, don't come back go.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I was open, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, what we'll definitely
talk about on the sideline. I tried not to like
say anything in the huddle just because like Karkassa like
say the play, So I just stay quiet. But then
sometimes I'll be like like Kirk, like look at this,
like it'll be open like and then he's like yep, yep,
and he sees it. And then a lot of time
(05:10):
he's gonna throw, which which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So it doesn't matter if like if you said, hey,
you know, I'm ready, I think this play will work.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
You can't even say something like that that that will Yeah, No,
I can't. It's just like in the play, none of
us will really say anything. But then on the sideline though,
then we'll talk about it, and then we'll get it
up to the coordinator and then then we'll probably run
it the next series or a couple series later.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
He's kind of like old enough to be your dad, right, Kirk? Absolutely, yeah, Jay,
no doubt about it. Do you make fun of that?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I did? I definitely did.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I was like, you know, I was definitely like yo, Kirk,
you know, you know, you know, you're definitely give my
dad man, like.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Just real talk.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
He just laughs about it.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And it's crazy because like he was in college when
I was like four.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
That's that's cool too.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You should you guys should change wardrobes for a day.
Let him dress like you normally. Do you dress like
he does?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Honestly, I'll think he I don't think he'll accept it.
I don't dress too crazy at all, so I think
he'll he look pretty uh pretty pretty smooth. And then
with me, yeah, we'll see how that goes. What's with
the djang that you're doing now? So Actor Football player djang.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, I just I just you know, I try to
like to do a lot of different things, you know,
some things that you know, I know I could be
good at.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
What's your DJ game?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
So I don't have a name yet.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I think it's gonna be DJ spin Zone, but just
because I like spind on the field and do stuff
like that. But I'm trying to see if it's not
cringey still.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But DJ spin Yes, spin Okay, DJ spin Zone, so
like but.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
You know, we'll see, we'll see that that that cuts it.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
But yeah, I just I just like to do a
lot of different stuff and you know, expand my my
broads and things. And you know, I think DJ and
is like really cool and a really cool energy changer
for you. And then obviously acting is you know, you
gotta work really hard at it, and I just love
to just like work in and do things like that.
But yeah, those are those are two cool things that
I that I've conquered, that I've done.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well. Congrats another big win and great performance by you.
You beat the Cowboys so always always good in Atlanta.
Great to talk to you again. Thanks, thanks for joining us. Yeah,
absolutely appreciate you. That that's b Jon Robinson.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
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Speaker 2 (07:55):
I did tune in to see some Duke and Maine
Cooper flag. The Consens number one pick for this upcoming
draft had some good numbers all around numbers there. The
guy to keep an eye on is con Canipple Me
con Canipple k o N. He's from Wisconsin, he is,
(08:18):
he attacks, He's six five sixty six, he can shoot,
and I'm watching him little background there. I think his
dad is is or was a former college basketball coach.
I think he's got four or five brothers. All of
their first names begin with a K. And con Canipple
(08:41):
had twenty two last night in what twenty one minutes
or so, thirty minutes of work there for Duke Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Con ko n Canipple, k n U E P p
e L. First guest I would have said.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Cannoople yeah, not Cannoeple yeah. And now Todd's favorite player
canip Hi far.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I'm going to Cameron Indoor in the next month or two.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I got tickets Yeah, if Canipple goes cold, I mean
get rolling, grow up you guys. Yes, Marvin when he
dunks con Air, Okay, I don't take that. But Cooper
kind of fragilistic Xbiladosha's flag was he's good. Yeah, he's
(09:30):
on the perimeter, taken to the hoop. Now it is
against Maine, the Black Bears, But yeah, I watched that.
I watched Kentucky against Wright State and Oklahoma State against
Wisconsin Green Bay. Doug Gottlieb's debut in the coaching ranks,
went out to his alma mater and they hung in
(09:52):
there first half. I think they were eighteen and a
half point underdogs, maybe lost by sixteen something like that.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Yes, Paul going back to Duke. Duke obviously invites Maine
down to open a season because of Cooper Flag. Is
that thoughtful of Duke?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So cool or cruel?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Is it a cool move to invite Maine. They don't
get a lot of national attention.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Wouldn't it been better to go to Maine? That would
have been cool. So Cooper Flag goes back to Maine
to play against the Black Bears.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Maybe during a sophomore year.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
That would have I don't think there's a home and
a way between Maine and Duke. Be great if there is,
But what Cooper Flag is not going to be there
for a sophomore year, PAULI, this is this is it?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, this is the one to It would be cruel
to go back there next year without Cooper Flag. To me,
cool or cruel cool? Or cruel cool or cruel?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
You know what? Duke giving Maine a little national coverage.
I don't know how much you get paid? How much
do teams get paid? Because I don't was this on
the schedule?
Speaker 7 (11:05):
How far in advance did they book this game that
they just so happened to get a Duke, got a
kid from Maine as their superstar player, and then they
end up playing Maine.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, what are the odds of you get him?
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Now?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He was playing in Florida. Yeah, he's from Mountain Verdict. Yeah,
but he's from Maine. But you just happened to open
the season with Cooper Flag from Maine against Maine at Duke.
Just a coincidence? There nothing to see a couple of
phone calls in here Chris in Utah, Hi Chris, what's
on your mind?
Speaker 9 (11:35):
Hey?
Speaker 10 (11:36):
Dan?
Speaker 9 (11:36):
You kind of hit on this already, But for those
of us who watch on Peacock, since Codd likes to
see the pain of others, how about the camera's just
focused on him when he does anything wrong, nothing right,
just anything wrong?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So just keep a camera a toddcam. Sure? Okay, how
does that equate this?
Speaker 11 (11:58):
Did I say like we should keep the Carolyn tail
Swift for the entire four quarters? Like little moments of
good and bad chief play where everybody's getting a little
magnifying glass out and get a little crazy right now?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Anything, Well, you're kind of turning on America's sweetheart.
Speaker 11 (12:13):
I love Taylor Swift and I have some of our
songs on my iPhone when I'm working out.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Actually, you would like to see the other side, the
range of emotions. Okay, theay, great play?
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Oh no, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
They have to punt, yes, Seaton.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
To be fair, Todd has the exact opposite problem here
that that caller just suggested, where, Hey, it'd be nice
if we could see you anytime he makes a mistake
or does something wrong, we get to see his reaction
to it. The way that this show goes, Todd does
almost nothing right. It would be nice to see him
get a compliment and hey man, nice job on that,
and then see what his reaction would be like, oh
(12:47):
my god, I just sound it well, thank you back.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
That's really the way, because it'd be like Todd, what Todd?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
What the heck?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
What Todd?
Speaker 7 (12:56):
This is that he could get to see him sort
of like figure his way out of like I don't
know understand how.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I got put in this position, but uh here I am.
Speaker 11 (13:03):
How was the worst rhyme time? Or that doesn't that
joke wasn't funny, or you're trying to it? Or who
told you to sing? You didn't raise your hand.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
He doesn't do a lot right here, so we it
would It would be the exact opposite of.
Speaker 11 (13:12):
Your noises with your mouth. You're talking too fast. I've
heard it all. I'm leaving up by seventeen other things.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No lies detected right there. Yeah, well, that's why we
keep a camera on you at all times, in case
something good happens, in case you guys are great.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
I'm terrible. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows everyone else.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Are you doing your donald?
Speaker 6 (13:35):
You're a terrible one, they're great.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
How would you feel if we just complimented you all day.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
I think I would enjoy that very much. I know
it would be fake now that you've said it. Yeah,
nobody wants Pike.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Oh you don't.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
No, I don't want that. You just said you're not
a big ry rock guy.
Speaker 11 (13:51):
But which means every once in a while when you
say something like hey, good whatever, it means that much
more because you don't do that on a regular babi.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I I could be better about it. It's just my
standards are high. I expect us to be great, and
when people do their job, they're supposed to do their job.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
And you're more comfortable pointing out the mistakes.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
That's cool.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
We're all cool with them.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I want to be great. You can. You can point
out my mistakes.
Speaker 11 (14:13):
No, it's not about tick for tag, but like in general,
if we kept like a graph or Paul would be like,
you know, when we have to come talk to you
the other side, It's not like just want to say
keep up the great work. You know, Oh my god,
here we go, come to Jesus time. What did I
do wrong? Now?
Speaker 6 (14:25):
I'm just calling it like it is. If everyone else
is afraid to bring it up, whatever.
Speaker 11 (14:29):
Well I just want them to talk to you in
private about like you're really kicking ass. I know the
guests has been impeccable, and it's.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Like years I can't why.
Speaker 11 (14:42):
Yeah, my Christmas gift, I remember it was a scroll
of things I did wrong over the twenty twenty fourth season.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It wasn't a scroll, all is funny. It was Paige.
Speaker 11 (14:51):
Yeah, I drove hot with tears and it was probably
somewhere between seven to nine things that you either thought
I did bed.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Or really horrible manifesto. There was a a big shit there.
Speaker 9 (15:01):
I know.
Speaker 11 (15:01):
I didn't feel good walking out of that. I thought
I'd hear one good thing. No, I guess just nine
fath things.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But you know I have to say, over our two
decades plus, I do tell you things years ago that
I'm still telling you. So you don't listen to me.
Maybe if you did listen to me, we wouldn't still
be bringing those things.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Still very sensitive. I still get upset about it.
Speaker 11 (15:22):
You would think I'd go up and you guys poking me.
We have one guest, we have four guests, we have
no guests, and.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
We're not We will not do that. I will not
do that. If you don't get any guests or you
get one guess, whatever it is, I don't I want
the right guest on. Did I tell you that? Okay,
so then stop.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
There's a lot of dead air right now you continue.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I have nothing to say to that, Yeah, because I
did tell you. I don't want you to feel like
you're your great is attached to whoever you had.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
On no matter how many times you tell me that.
Speaker 11 (15:57):
Maybe it's just the pressure I put on myself, regardless
of you're trying to comfort me.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
It's like, oh my god, it's ten o'clock at night.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
We went off.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
I guess tomorrow. Oh, we just have the guy from
the Tampa Gazette that's not going to cover.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Joe in Texas joins us on the program. Good morning, Joe,
what's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (16:10):
Good morning? I just wanted to call say I agree
with Todd. You God blessed Todd. He goes my vote
for Then at MVP. Oh, okay, show okay, can show
a Taylor Swift to good in a bagase he never
knows you might drop drop her net bomb or s
mom or call him when he might drop a play
like that last night and say what a dumb blank
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
All right, Joe's on your sign.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
I appreciate that, Joe.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
No, I don't know who else is, but I'm sure
there's a lot of people out there rooting for you.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Not everybody calls in, not everybody sends notes on social media.
Speaker 11 (16:42):
That's the silence and majority, you know, just got to
keep quiet and they just are not comfortable calling in,
or the don't want to.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Be on hold. Whatever it is. Most of the people
always agree with me. Everybody knows this.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I hope this always gets to you. I hope it
all this affects you. Yeah, I do, because it's it's
good content.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
You know.
Speaker 11 (17:04):
I'm gonna be in an old age home somewhere waiting
for my soup, and I'm gonna be like, oh my god,
I need a second hour guests for Thursday, and the
nurse's gonna be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (17:11):
I'm making Andy send. I don't how anybody guests canceled
for eleven.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Mister Fritz, mister Fritz, you haven't been doing this for
over thirty years.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I think the plug line for the book, Oh my god,
too late. I can't run it for the room. Now
what are you doing? You're ninety three? Years old. Just
sit and have your soup.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
But you know what, when you're having your soup, you're
probably gonna sound like this.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
He wasn't even sure if he should have shown up.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Now quick get tous reaction to that.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Mister Fritz, I think you must have had a mild stroke.
Speaker 11 (17:40):
That people don't talk like that. You're gonna have to
run a battery of test. Nothing's going on with your voice.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
How about we take a break here. Okay, at least
it's Friday.
Speaker 11 (17:48):
Yeah, yeah, Friday Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
It does feel that way, Mike Fourio, Why.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Do you're doing a great job? So if I hosting
the show, I want to let you know, I just.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Wanted to call you even really killing it lately. Going
to take a break, all right, take a break.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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listen live. He's Tom Pebblsero, NFL Network Insider. You can
see him on the Insiders on NFL Network tonight at
seven eastern. All right, Tom, before we get started, you
(18:29):
can start your team with Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
They're both twenty seven years of age. Who you taken
as your quarterback.
Speaker 10 (18:40):
So Peyton Manning won his first MVP I believe, at
age twenty seven in three so he was very much
like coming into his prime at that point. I was
covering the Packers in the early stages of Aaron Rodgers' career.
I was on at the Green Bay Press Gazette from
seven to nine, so he was a little bit age
twenty seven. He was coming into his MVP years there too.
(19:05):
I think it's probably Peyton, honestly, just because the track
record was there. You know, Aaron had gone the Juco
route and then had played at Cal and they totally
remade his mechanics early on. You were still finding out now,
you know, nine, ten eleven, he suddenly was playing at
you know, the best level in the NFL. But just
in terms of like the safety who I feel most
(19:26):
confident about, I'd probably say Payton man Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I don't know if there's a wrong answer. Aaron I
think was twenty eight when he won his MVP. Peyton.
Because I mentioned this, I wonder if there's gonna be
a bias with Lamar Jackson because he hasn't won a
super Bowl, and it feels like we sometimes base our
regular season vote on or against somebody because they haven't
done well in the postseason. We do this in the NBA.
(19:52):
You know, Joe Ellenbiid hadn't won anything, but he somehow
got an MVP. Joker, they held it against him. You
can't give him another MVP. Jannis got an MVP after
he won a title there, so I wonder Lamar probably
with a bias against him. And then you got what's
happening with Derrick Henry as well?
Speaker 10 (20:11):
Yeah, well I think that's I think that's the more
compelling point Dan is Derrick Henry. If you've got two
people on the same team and you can make a
coach and argument for either of them being the MVP,
then is either of them the MVP or is it
kind of the perfect you know, collective. I don't think
that the now. Everybody does it differently. I had a
(20:32):
vote for a number of years and then they don't
let you vote when you go to NFL network, so
I lost my vote. My procedure was I just talked
to every coaching GM in the league that I could
and said, like, who would you vote for on all
these awards. I think other people probably just vote on
gut feeling or what they're seeing on the field. I
know that's Aaron Rodgers won four MVPs and he's got
(20:54):
one Super Bowl win. Lamar's won two MVPs without a
Super Bowl win. I think that we liked the new thing.
I think that's the biggest bias that we see is, Hey,
you know, Cam Newton had an unbelievable year, and he
did in twenty fifteen, but at no point before or
after that was he an MVP level type of a player.
He won in a landslide in twenty fifteen. Because you know,
(21:18):
it just gets boring voting for Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.
Bill Belichick I think only won like one or two
Coach of the Year awards because people get bored. They
like the new thing, you know, and then half the
time the coach of the year two years later they're fired.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, but Jared Goff, you can't play any better than
he's played in the last six games. These are historical numbers,
and they're winning it. There's efficiency, they appear to be
the best team in the NFC. But it doesn't feel
like Jared Goff gets mentioned when and look, I'm not
(21:51):
campaigning for him. I just know what he's doing hasn't
been done before. So the value you get for him
with your team has to be factored in as well.
Speaker 10 (22:04):
Jared Goffs had a really weird career when you think
about it. I mean, he's the number one overall pick
in twenty sixteen. He plays his first year, takes over
under Jeff Fisher, and it's just abysmal, and everyone in
the world is saying the Rams messed up. They should
have drafted Carson Wentz. This guy can't play. Sean mcveiga's there.
The following year, Jared goff starts playing all a sudden
(22:27):
at a really high level, and there was a lot
made of, you know, the communication and how McVeigh was
in Golf's here and helping him through, but Jared was
learning all the way through. There, they go to a
Super Bowl, they get shut down by the Patriots. A
year or two later, McVeigh decides, I can't win with
the guy.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
He's the throwing.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
They had to trade a first round pick to offload
his guaranteed money to get Matthew Stafford. Obviously he worked
on well for the Rams because you know, they won
a super Bowl in that first year with Stafford, But
for Golf to go from he's a joke to, oh
my goodness, he's one of the best players in the
league too, he's a joke again, back to these one
of the best players in the league. Like, you don't
see that type of arc a whole lot here. I
(23:04):
think that, yeah, I mean, I think that that some
of that does perhaps get held against people. Everybody knows.
Ben Johnson's really good, Dan Campbell's really good. They got
tons of weapons on that Lion's team.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
But they're still you know, going out there.
Speaker 10 (23:15):
They lose Ayton Hutchinson, one of the best young defensive
players in the league, and it doesn't even matter because
they're scoring fifty points a game. I think that Jared
Goff has to be considered among the MVP candidates, even
though you know, if you put together the Jared Goff
highlight reel versus the Lamar or Holmes highlight reel, you know, Golf.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Loses Tom Pelvisero NFL Network insider, give me the best
trade rumor you heard yesterday that didn't come to fruition
or the last week or so, I.
Speaker 10 (23:43):
Would say, I mean, there's always you know, various names
that pop up at different points, and there was a
lot made of you know, the Rams stuff, which was real,
I mean, the Cooper Cuff stuff. They absolutely explored it.
He didn't end up getting traded all of a sudden.
They win three games in a row and they're like
a half game back in the Vision lead. Now, you know,
if that season goes a different direction, are we talking
about Matthew Stafford potentially being traded. I mean, there were
(24:06):
definitely people speculating about that when they were one and four,
but we didn't have We never had a quarterback suffer
a major season ending injury. That's one of the biggest
differences last year versus this year. You know, you had
that early spate last year of Aaron Rodgers gets hurt
right out of the gate and Cousins gets hurt and
Anthony Richardson gets hurt. Like there was this line of
(24:26):
quarterbacks suffering major injuries.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
We didn't have it.
Speaker 10 (24:30):
So a lot of the quarterback stuff never really got
ramped up just because there wasn't the need there. I
would say, you know, one of the wildest trades that
happened was what happened with Marshawn Lattimore because the Saints
go from firing Dennis Allen on Sunday or Monday or
Monday morning whatever. It was a very unique statement. I
(24:51):
think it's fair to say for Mickey Loomis where he
basically says like, this wasn't Dennis Allen's fault. He's a
great coach. We had a ton of injuries and we're
gonna miss him. I don't rec seeing a GM say
something there was no there was no turn in the
statement to but we needed to.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Make a change.
Speaker 10 (25:05):
So Mickey Loomis feels like Stilly's got a really good team.
The one guy they were gonna trade was Latimore. And
credit to Mickey for, you know, stirring up a market.
They had four different teams. I thought it was getting
done to the Chiefs that they were gonna make yet
another splash.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Oh wow.
Speaker 10 (25:19):
You know, the Ravens were in that mix, the Chargers were,
I believe in that mix. And then in the end
it's the Commanders who a year ago were the big
story of trade deadline because they traded everybody, because they
traded Chase Young to San Francisco and they traded Montes
Sweat to Chicago for to get a year later and
for them to be the team that really came out
of nowhere in the last hour before that trade got
(25:41):
done and give up a third and fourth round pick
to add a veteran cornerback. You know, it's it's a
fun time to watch what the what the Commanders are doing.
But that was definitely one where you're chasing all these
different permutations, and I did not think until the final
twenty minutes or so that he was going to Washington.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Who should have been traded?
Speaker 10 (25:59):
It's a good question. I'm a little bit surprised that
the Browns didn't do more. I think that that's probably
indicative of the fact that they feel like they had
a playoff team last year. And but for you know,
the up and down quarterback play that they've had throughout
the course of the season, and now with de Shaan Watson
hurt yet again, another guy who got hurt last year,
(26:19):
another one of those ones where they went through five
different quarterbacks, they feel like they, you know, they still
could have been good. I mean, it sounded like they
were willing to trade just about anybody. I wasn't surprised
that they didn't trade Miles Garrett. But I thought, you know,
between listen, they already traded Amari Cooper and that was
a fairly significant deal. They traded Zadarius Smith to Detroit
finally yesterday after after several weeks of work. But you know,
(26:42):
between let's say, you know, Greg Newsom, I'm just throwing
out names, and I thought, like made sense on paper,
Greg Newsom, maybe David Njoku. You've got some good players
Elijah Moore that you probably could get value for. I
thought maybe this would be a especially knowing the Browns
analytical approach, I thought maybe this would be more of
a go down to build back up. They seem to be,
(27:03):
you know, looking forward twenty twenty five of let's get
a new quarterback potentially, you know, see where Deshaun Watson is. Realistically,
they got to draft a quarterback next year, and they
did pick up some ammunition. I thought maybe they'd pick
up even more.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, I don't know if you can rebuild with Deshaun
Watson's contract there.
Speaker 10 (27:21):
It's it's a really valid point. Dan, I would say this,
you know, ninety two million dollars is what they still
over the next two years. Forget this year for a second,
because they already paid that down anyway, they own ninety
two million over the next two years. That would be
the most cash that we've ever seen a team eat.
But we just saw the Broncos last year eat somewhere
(27:42):
around forty million of Russell Wilson. Just to say we
are moving on, how do the Browns get out of
out of things with Deshaun Watson. I mean, there's several
different ways this could go. One is you just say
we're paying them anyway, Let's draft a quarterback, sign a quarterback, whatever,
Let the Shawn come in. It's an open competition, and
we see what happens, and we either cut him or
(28:04):
is the backup or maybe you know, he finally gets
back and is the starter again, but we let it ride.
The second option of this is you pull off a
brock Osweiler style trade or you send you know, assets
with the player to get rid of the player and
get rid of his money. Ninety two million would be
(28:25):
an extreme amount to trade. I mean brock Osweiler, you know,
that's always the example because the Browns at the time
took on his seventeen million dollars salary and got a
second round pick out of it. Well, if the second
round picks were seventeen million, what do you get for
ninety two million. I mean, you're probably throwing good money
after bad literally and figuratively, if you're saying, all right,
(28:46):
let's send two first round picks just to try to
get rid of Deshawn's money. So the third option is
you cut them. You just say, we're going to eat
the ninety two million. It is what it is. We're
going to take it now and Deshaun can go on
to the next thing. We are getting a clean break.
That would hurt, obviously, because they put so much into
this trade in several first round picks, giving them a
(29:07):
two or three million dollars fully guaranteed contract, taking you
all the flat that they did, and a lot of
it justified for making that trade at the time that
they did it. But you know, they thought they were
getting a top five quarterback. Instead they got a guy
who on paper is the least efficient quarterback in the
entire NFL. Is hurt once again, and it's played a
grand total if I want to say, it's nineteen games
(29:29):
over the past four seasons combined. That's where they are.
I think you can rebuild, but it's gonna take a
little bit of you know, it's gonna take some pain.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
We've seen teams do it.
Speaker 10 (29:39):
The Bills did it early on when Sean McDermott and
Brandon Bean were there, just took the boatload of the
cap consequences and everything else. They had a really down
second year, but then you know, you got that thing
building in the right direction. It's not impossible. It'll hurt,
it's gonna be pain, but it's not impossible.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Dan, great to talk to you. Thank you again. Tom
appreciate it as always.
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