June 7, 2025 • 51 mins
Hall of Famer Charles Barkley discusses the latest in Inside the NBA's future and gives his take on the Larry Bird top 10 player debate. SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey breaks down the latest in the College Football playoff proposed expansion, and voices concern over NIL dollars outpacing player maturity. All-Pro Ravens RB Derrick Henry reflects on going from high school phenom to 4th string at Alabama and shares how his game has evolved over the years.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hall of famer Charles Barkley back on the program. Are
you unemployed right now?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
No, I signed a deal last week.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Then, okay, when do you start working with ESPN.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Next year when the season starts?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh? Okay, so there's nothing going on from now until
the start of next season.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
No, you know, I took my time trying to figure out.
My big thing was the work schedule, and I got together.
I've been working on it for like two months, and
I got together with T and T last week and
I signed a deal.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So how many days a week are you going to
work at the Mother Show?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Well, you know it's I don't even think they know
the exact schedule, to be honest with.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You, so you better know the exact schedule.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Well, I'm gonna trust trust them, you know. But that's
been my biggest concern. Yeah. Uh So, like I said,
I didn't officially assigned it to last week. I said
I'd worked for two more years and that's what I
agreed to, and.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I'm gonna have to trust them.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
But I listen, you know, if if they start trying
to work me too much between ESPN TNT.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I'm just gonna walk on home, you.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Know, because listen, I actually have seven years left on
my contract.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I'm like, yeah, there's no way I'm working seven years.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I says, you know, I'm gonna be a good soldier
for Kenny, Ernie and Shaq and the people I work with,
because I love the people I work with, especially behind
the scenes. I said, but the best I can do
is two years and the mother five years. They got
no chance to happen, and so I said, you know what,
I give y'all two years.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
They're like, can we get three?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I said, I just told you I'm gonna get you.
You know, David, it was the fun I said, I
get I'll give you two years that can we get three?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I said, I just told you I was gonna get
you two.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Welcome to the SPN way of life.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Though this is the TNT people, uh because because my
I think my my contract technically is still with T
and T.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay, Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, I'm gonna be a good soldier.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
What was that feeling like last show?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Well, I was.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Fine until Ernie started getting emotional and then I started
tearing up. And I'm glad that they only had the
camera on him, you know, because you know Kenny and Shaq, you.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Know, they were just talking. I was like, okay, he did,
but Ernie was emotional. Uh. The crowd was great.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
But like I said, man, you've been I've been with
these people for twenty five years. It's a great thing.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
The NBA family has been tremendous to us. The fans
have been tremendous for us.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But you know, I will admit, you know, I'm looking forward.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You know, ESPN is the most famous sports brand ever,
and it's gonna be Uh, it's gonna be awesome working
for them, and uh, nobody knows what's gonna happen. I mean,
I think that's the only thing that like what are
we actually going to do? So I think that's that's
the only thing. But like I say, I did not
(03:04):
want to leave people out in the cold. So I say,
you know what, let me do it for a couple
of years and then y'all can have it.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Okay, But does the show look like the show? It's
just it's inside the NBA, but it's on ESPN. Is
that how you're uh like positioning this?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Dad? We don't even know.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
You see that that that's one of the reason I
was waiting, like, yeah, I don't know what we're doing.
And then TNT is trying to do something stupid behind
the scenes. We taped the pilot about a month ago,
and it was the stupidest ship I've ever seen my life.
You know, because because because we're not going to be
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on ESPN as much as people think.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Wait, wait, what do you mean you taped a pilot.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Well, because ESPN, Because we're only probably going to be
working for ESPN like half the time to one third
the time. So I think tn T wants to do something.
And we taped a pilot about a month ago and
it was the stupidest ship ever.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Okay, so you're still going to do a show, an
NBA show on t n T and you're gonna do
a show on ESPN. Yes, okay, good But.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
But but like I said, if they're being honest, we're
gonna probably work on ESPN one third or half the time.
But they're trying to do something stupid at tn T,
which which which is which is number one is the
stupid idea for a couple of reasons. Number one, we
(04:40):
we won't we won't. We won't have basketball highlights. But
also we're probably gonna be going up against the NBA game.
And I don't anybody who likes basketball. The ain't gonna say, hey,
you know what, let me turn off an NBA game
that's on Amazon, ESPN or NBC to go watch these
(05:00):
four dudes hit around and talk about nothing. So it's complicated.
And like I say, we taped the pilot doing stupid
stuff and it was just stupid stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And I wouldn't want to go out like that.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Okay, is this like a second screen or a manning can?
Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Don't they don't know? They listen?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Oh my god, I'm telling you, Dan, it was interesting
we were sitting there taping it.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Well, I will admit one thing. I get TNT credit.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
They did say it was awful pilot with you.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
They were honest.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
They were honest because it was like we just uh
so they want to do something. But like I say,
the problem we got we got to be going up
because they're gonna be probably much Well, no, that's gonna
be an n big NBA game on every night, so
whenever we do it, it's gonna be up against the NBA game.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So that's the first problem.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
So but I guess they want to feel like they're
doing something to make us earn our money from tn T.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Charles Barsley joining us inside the n B A uh
on t n T, is it gonna be? Okay, what's
the show called on t N T? And is what's
the show called on ESPN?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Man?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Then then first of all, I guess inside the n
B A I think, and and I guess it's gonna
be just inside the NBA on ESPN, A b C.
I think that's easy. But I think so I forget.
I think the pile is called inside the NBA.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
That's not confusing.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Well, well you know that. You know the thing that
was hilarious about it. Then we didn't have any NBA.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You know, you have no rights to the NBA, but
you're inside of the NBA.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
We can't show highlights. We can't show highlights.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
So we were sitting there for like an hour and
a half taking this pilot, and we're looking at each other,
what the hell are we doing? But like I say,
I give TNT credit the first thing they said out
of the pilot, Yeah, that was really stupid.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
We got to figure something out.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
What role do you think Michael Jordan's going to play
with NBC's coverage.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh, that's a great question. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I don't see Michael bean on television a lot. I mean,
I don't see Michael being on television a lot. To
be honest with you, why do you think he's doing this?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I have a zero ideal. I think it's great that
he's going to be part of the NBA.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I mean, he's, in my opinion, no disrespect to Kobe
or Lebron, he's the greatest player I've seen. I have
no idea why he's doing it, but it's a welcome addition.
I mean, yo, man, you know this is going to
be interesting going forward because there's so much money out
there right now. Dan like, they got to do everything
(08:03):
and their power to engage fans. I mean the money
at the NBC, Amazon and ESPN are paying you know.
You know, I tell people we were paying about one
point two billion dollars a year, and it goes up
to two point five billion. Those numbers don't compute, So
you're gonna have to do everything in your power to
draw fans. I think it's gonna be fascinating going forward,
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how this thing is going to work.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
What do you think Jordan would get paid today if
he was playing.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Well, he'd be the first hundred million dollar player. Well, well,
first of all, we gonna have guys making seventy eight
to ninety million dollars three to four years. Yes, you know,
but you know, man, bless these guys as long as
they appreciate how lucky they are and don't think they're
making all that money because they're great players. They were
just boring at the right time. We got a bunch
(08:54):
of great players. But man, these guys, I just hope
they appreciate how lucky they are and stop this bs
with low management. You know, we can't keep crapping on
the fans where we're like yeah, wait, yeah, you're making
seventy million dollars. You can't play basketball four days a week.
You can't work two days in a row. And you
(09:16):
want doctors and nurses and firemen and comps and people
in the military and people who got like work in.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
The cement factory.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Like wait a minute, I make twenty dollars an hour.
This dude makes seventy million dollars and he can't play
back to back. Come on, man, I think that's an
insult to the fans, and it might.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Be a problem.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
It was already a problem, but when this money like
double and triple, the fans gonna are like, yeah, I'm
not watching this crap any more. If these dudes can't
play two games in a row. Can you imagine you
a fan and you get like a great player who
comes west to east or east to west. He's only
coming one time a year, and the tickets are ridiculous,
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and you're like, yeah, he.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Played last night.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Uh so I think there's some things we got to
amstor A basketball players going forward.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, but you're making whatever, twenty million dollars a year
and you only want to work two days a week.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I show up every day though we Hey listen, I
show up. I show up every day.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Then okay, back back to back though.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Back to back? Wait, like going the playoffs. You know,
we worked like six days a week and I show
up every day for those six days. Hey, then you
know what you guys?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You know, I apologize. I apologize. I didn't realize the
work schedule, the workload.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
You have my bad?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Oh you just wait, just oh there you go? Are
you back?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You you can hear me.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Now, no, you froze up right after I said that
with the apology, and I thought you were you know,
it was a dramatic pauloge there, so.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Wow, because it was a dramatic Shaw changed me.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Dan, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I didn't show shank you.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Changed you.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh I thought it was Shaw shanked. Oh yeah, I
sure changed you, But I didn't shawshank you.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah. Okay, But but you know these guys out there,
you know, I'm so old.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
We flew commercial and played back to back, and these
guys got the best private planes, they got the best
medical staff, they got these cold water plunges, they got
the hyperbaric chambers.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean, they got the best shoes.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
And they can't play basketball two days in a row
for fifty sixty million dollars. That's the craziest stuff ever.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Man, Well, this will be crazy, I'm sure to you.
But I brought this up to Stephen Jackson last week.
I said, you know, can you see a time or
get ready for Larry Bird dropping out as one of
the top ten players of all time? Like, could you
see a scenario where Larry is not ranked in the
top ten all time?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Well, let me say this the three most important figures
in NBA history of Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and Michael Jordan.
You know, there are a lot of great players, but
there's only a few guys who transcend the sport. I'll
throw Kobe in there, I'll throw Lebron in there, I'll
(12:21):
stow Steph in there, and there are a lot of really,
really good players, but nobody can take away the historic
significant member. Dave Corbin's one of the greatest ever against
mad When I say this, before Magic Johnson and Larry Berry,
the league was too black, two thugery. The average salary
was two hundred thousand dollars. Now the average salary is
(12:43):
like twelve million dollars. And Magic and Bird started transformation.
Michael Jordan took it to a whole other level. He
got guys making one hundred million dollars from Nike now
and other shoe brands. That's all Michael Jordan. Because you
look at the same thing in golf, Garrett, player, Arnold
and Jack. They are the three foundational pieces and tiger
(13:06):
woods that once in a generation player who was Michael
Jordan and golf, there are a lot of great players.
Phil Michles is probably the only other person in that
conversation in golf. But there's very few athletes in every
sport that people can say, oh, you know, yeah, he's playing,
I'm going to watch. That does not be We don't
have a lot of great players, like right now, we
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got Shade, we got the Joker, we got Joannis, we
got Lebron, Luke, all these guys, but there are very
few players that transcend their sport. So no matter what
happens with Bird, as far as that him and Matty
Johnson are the two most important figures in NBA history
in my opinion, then I say, then we all old
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Michael because when Michael's you know, when he started doing commercials,
that changed everything for everybody. Now, because of Michael, I
was making millions of dollars from wearing Nike. Nobody was
doing that, Nobody had a signature shoe or they were
making one hundred million dollars a year.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
That's all because of Michael.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
That's why, regardless of all this other stuff, this Lebron stuff,
this Kobe stuff, people buy shoes because of Michael freaking Jordan.
That's it, I mean, And that's no disrespect to anybody. Yes,
some of these other guys out here selling shoes. Michael,
you try to make people wear shoes to wedding. Nobody
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ever thought about wearing shoes to weddings until I could
do it.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Think about that, then.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Did you ever wear Air Jordan's when you played.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
I'll tell you what's interesting about that? When Michael had
pulled me aside and told me we went out smoking
cigars the last time, he said, the Marty that flew down,
he said, I got something to tell you, guys. He
flew down to Houston, and he takes us out. We
go out to dinner, we go out to smoke some cigars.
He says, guys, I'm just giving you all the heads up.
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I'm gonna retire to the end of the season. I'm like,
what am and a mob was like, I think he's serious.
He said he I'm gonna retire to the end of
the season. So I called him like a week later
and I said, oh, man, that's a tribute, because you know,
remember when Magic Johnson announced he had AIDS.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I wanted to pay homage to him.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I called Billy Cunningham and said, hey, can I wear
your jersey to celebrate Magic Johnson? He says, sure, no problem,
I said, because and I called Irvan. I say, hey, Man,
for everything you did for me and my family, I'm
gonna wear number thirty two all year. So I wore
thirty two one year. But I called Michael and I said, hey,
send me a pair of shoes. I just want to
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tell you how much I appreciate everything you did for me.
Give me that, give me that advice on that Nike
stock that made me a thirty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And that was an insider trading, was no because you know,
at the.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Time, I was making about three million dollars a year
and we were playing golf and he said, Chuck, I
was talking to somebody, So I want you to quit
taking three million, take a million, and take the other
two million and stock options. So I called my people
and they say, hey, Michael told me to do that,
because miche has always been a brilliant businessman.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And they're like, this is risky. You think he gonna
be that great?
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I says, man, I ain't never seen nobody like that, dude,
because I had met him at the Olympic trials. I says,
he gonna be amazing, he says, And we did it,
and like I said, I ended up probably making seriously
another fifty million dollars, to be honest with you, but
he made.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Me trade that in.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
But the point I was making, man, I put his
shoes on one game. He definitely did the greatest bann
basketball player ever. Then those were the heaviest DOWMN ever
played in in my life.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I'm not even.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Joking because when I designed my shoes, I'm one of
them really really light. I played in those heavy ass
air joints one game. It was like I had bricks
on my damn feet then, and I've been one hundred
cents serious. I called him man, I actually called him
after the game. I said, Yo, Man, what the hell
you be putting in these damn stue I mean, they
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were so damn heavy. Then I said, hey, I played
in them one game. As attribute to him, these shoes
to damn heavy for me, Man, that's a two story.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Then it makes it even more amazing what Mike did
in those air Jordan's.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I said, you're really out of damn bricks. Bricks.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Do you do you think he could have had them
design a special pair for you that maybe were a
little heavy. You know, Mike's very competitive.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
No, because he got them to me like in two days. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
he had time to put no bricks in them. But man,
them shoes were heavy as hell.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Man before I let you go, Uh, what kind of
chance you give the Pacers against Okase.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I think they can make it competitive, but I've been
saying for months, nobody can beat that team four times
in a week. The Pacers got a good team, but
the Okay See, they're one of the best teams I've
seen in a long time.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
They're the deepest. They might be the deepest NBA team
I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
They be playing guys who don't even play like the
last series, and they put them in the game.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
They're like, damn, what he been so and that's gonna
really negate the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
The Pacers bench which beat them to help them beat
the Knicks because the Thunder they're bringing better players off
the bench than the Pacers. The Pacers got a terrific bench,
but Oklahoma City got better bench players.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
So I hope it's a good.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Series, but I don't think anybody can beat okay See
four times in a week.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Great to talk to you. Perhaps I'll see you in Tahoe.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
You a coward.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Dan know I'm gonna go out there.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Oh you're not gonna play.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, they didn't invite me. I might be working.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
You won't be working. We play on a Friday afternoon,
on Faturday and Sunday.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I'm bringing I think I might bring the show out
to Tahoe.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
You bring it out and I do. I should do it.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
How long you on?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
How long you own?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Three hours?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I'll give you an hour one day me and you.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Okay, But so last time you came to Tahoe, you
missed about six little three inch putts because you normally
they give you you know, yeah, as we have to
put out.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I didn't pick up my ball one time. Like that's good, right,
And then I was like, oh no, people looked at
me like what are you doing. I wasn't that good?
Then like no, you gotta play them, gotta play them
all the way to day.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yes you do, brother? All right?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Uh yeah, I'll see you maybe in July.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
All right, brother, be safe, safe out there, all right.
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Speaker 2 (21:05):
That's Cavino and Rich Greg Zankee, SEC commissioner kind enough
to join us. It's been kind of busy here in
the off season. Never stops for you. Recap what happened
last week, give me the cliff notes version.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Spent a lot of time in overly air conditioned meeting
rooms in western Florida with athletics directors, head coaches, football, men's,
women's basketball, and our presidence and chancellors. Talked about our
football schedule, the college football playoff, potential settlement of a
set of lawsuits that would introduce a revenue sharing model
(21:41):
to college sports, and we talked about any other number
of issues like our softball tournament location that are probably
more mundane than you want to jump into on a
Monday morning. But happy to talk about softball and gymnastics
championships locations for the conference if you'd like.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Well, that's why to have you on. But let's get
some of these ancillary things out of the right. That's fair, Okay,
let me start with basketball and then we'll get to football.
The discussions of seventy two, seventy six teams, any discussion
from the SEC portion of this.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
I introduced the issue to our men's basketball coaches, which
I think we've talked about with that group before. I
would guess Dan, given the other issues we have on
our plate, that that conversation maybe lasted five minutes. My
points to them were, this is still a work in progress.
I didn't know that there was going to be kind
(22:39):
of a press gathering. This is not a criticism. Charlie
Baker spoke about tournament expanse I think the day after
our basketball coaches gathered, I mentioned it to our wins
basketball coaches as well. Briefly, didn't really go anywhere, and
so my introduction was, I just want you to be
aware problem. Towards the end of the month, this will
(23:02):
come up.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I said.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
My view is, I think we should be exploring tournament expansion.
Whether or not it happens, it is actually another point
of evaluation. So have the conversation, deep dive, figure out
if it works practically, competitively economically. I think the one
issue for us is if it is expanded. Let's pick
the number of seventy six and I'll do quick math
(23:25):
for you. So fifty two of the seventy six teams
would be like in that traditional first round. The other
twenty four would play in twelve games, the twelve winners
meet up with the fifty two. There's your sixty fourteen bracket.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Right.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
That's like from my intermural director days at you to
the comp That's how I know how bracckets work. I'm
really interested and we're interested in a league. Is who
fills those twelve games those other twenty four teams. The
kind of Dayton model, if you will, which is a
men's basketball side is it's a combination of the lowest aqs,
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the lowest rated aqs kind of by placement of the committee,
and then the last at large teams in And I
kind of pivot to look look to North Carolina State
last year eleven seed, they were in AQ, but they
went to the final four. And it's just kind of
an indication that competitively, those top fifty or so teams,
you know, things fall right, injuries, heel can make really
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good runs. So I'm not one who thinks we should
just follow the Dayton model automatically have expanded if expansion
takes place.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
So that was my reference to our coaches.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
When our decisions made or voted on for expansion for
the college football playoffs.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
Buy agreement that the outer boundary is November thirty December
one of this year for the twenty six playoff. Now
keep in mind, when we went to twelve teams, the
board said that'll be the format for twenty twenty six.
Let's start early if we can, which we obviously did
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I think did overall in a successful way. But what
was introduced immediately is let's go through these two years
and conduct an evaluation. So we're in that evaluation standpoint.
A lot of talk about really fourteen or sixteen that
I think twelve is known as as kind of a
foundation point, but the conversation is about fourteen or sixteen,
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and then how our team select it or placed into
whatever size bracket exists is the more the headline question. Okay,
but what model do you like? Well, I've been one
who said over time, I'd give no allocation. So this
whole five seven thing that exists now, I just make
it the twelve best teams, and I was clear on that. Now,
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when we get into rooms, we make political compromises, if
you will, small p not like Congress political compromises, but
to achieve an outcome.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
But the sides on the top twelve Teams Selection committee. Yeah,
but here's what I think.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I think we've not.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
We spent so much time expanding and working through our
own little side arguments about teams and oh, we can't
do this, we need this, you got to protect this
bowl game or that bowl game. We never went back
to the essence of decision making, which is how our
team selected. As everyone relocated over the last four or
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five years, do the analyses that existed and worked for
the fourteen playoff and twenty fourteen still have the same
relevance and we're behind that curve in my opinion. That's
why other ideas are introduced and considered, and we've looked
at ideas. You know, this allocation of it's called automatic bids.
That's such a harsh term. I think allocations is one
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where I like that word because we've already we already allocated.
And look at last year. We had two teams not
in the top four. They get to move up because
of the political compromise. We have a team outside the
twelve that moves in, and then the teams that are
displaced look around and say, hey, wait a second, that
doesn't make any sense any longer. That introduces the questions
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around should that model continue or should that allocation model
expand where other teams are brought in.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Talking to Greg Sankie, SEC Commissioner, we've talked about this before.
You know, given the scheduling and hotel rooms and travel
of reseeding after the first round of games, can is
that on the table at all anymore?
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Well, not really receding, because almost what a week and
a half ago for the twenty five season, this college
Football Playoff Management Committee, which is the commissioners and the
Notre Dame Athletic Director, agreed to just go to straight
seating by ranking. So the movement of teams outside the
top four into the top four that won't happen in
twenty twenty five. You're going to get what you earn.
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Same for home games. We've not gone back into the
receiving question. And Dan, if you go back to June
of twenty one, which was like ancient history in college sports,
when the twelve team model was introduced, and we went
back through this about a month ago with everybody involved
on that management committee, one of the questions.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Was should we be in receding.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
We never really got back to that because you remember
the SEC had this little expansion to sixteen, great disruption
in the forest. Then we had twenty two in expansion
of the big ten. So he waited around for a year,
and now we've been in hurry up mode since. So
we haven't talked so much about receding as we did
just about honoring the rankings in the bracket.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Help me understand the report on Cooper Flag as he
made close to thirty million dollars is one year at Duke,
that's nil. Help me understand as the athlete moves forward
of the salaries and nil and any restriction, any compromises
that will be there for these marquee athletes let's call them.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
Without commenting on the Cooper Flag story, I haven't seen that,
and nobody's sending me financial documents to verify.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
As you can imagine in this environment.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
A couple points one is this settlement that's positioned in
a set of lawsuits has great impact on the answer
to your question if the settlement is approved for the
first time at the college level, and really quite innovative
in the sports realm, would be the process for overseeing
third party name, image and likeness to establish there's an
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appropriate range of compensation and fair market excuse me, in
real business purposes.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Fulfilled around name image and likeness deals. That's not like novel.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
It just hasn't existed as we've gone on this state
by state exploration of kind of reducing any regulatory system
for college sports niol So. I think that's a first step,
and that's one component third party name image and likeness.
The second is what I think will be kind of
a name image and likeness activity within a revenue sharing
model where athletic programs are providing that payment directly to
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student athletes.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
That can be a better system. There has to be
a commitment to make it work.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
And I still am one who thinks that notion of
having fifty different state laws governing is highly problematic. You're
not going to have college World Series. You can't run
Final fours and national championships that way. You run something
more like high school championships where every state kind of
walls off it's and establishes its own rules. And I
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think that has to be understood as a significant point
of concern. That's why the return of national standards in
the congressional conversation still has meaning.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
What would stop me as a businessman if I wanted
the top quarterback in college football to come to Alabama,
and I want to give him twenty five million dollars
a year.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Right now, there hasn't been a lot.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
This is the States migrate away from any oversight of
their own laws or any regulation. If the settlement is approved,
I go back to that third party oversight, and it
would depend on your classification, assuming you have some affiliation,
you've provided money donations to the university involved. You then
kick into this third party in aisle oversight and the
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ability for somebody to be deemed at an appropriate real
business purpose and range of compensation level would be involved.
And if it doesn't, there'll be an opportunity to adjust
your offer.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I would love for conferences or maybe there's somebody who
can be like the NFL has somebody who does this scheduling,
like I would love. You know, we might lose Notre
Dame in USC like I'm I don't know, maybe I'm
the get off my line, the old guy, but you know,
can you come up with scheduling that we don't lose
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Texas versus Oklahoma or whatever? Oklahoma state? Oklahoma? I should say,
I got to want to lose these rights we don't
have many left, and I don't know if college football
could ever have a schedule overseer. So we do have
marquee matchups.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
This is this is.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Entertainment, it's TV non conference. You know, what do you
think of that?
Speaker 7 (32:25):
I think a couple things. Let's go back to the
college football playoffs. So I've been the recipient of plenty
kind of side comments about.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Good of the game, whatever that means.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
And when programs like when wake Forest notifies Old Miss
the day before their first game of a home and
home series that we're not playing the one back in Oxford,
that's a problem.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
When when Nebraska.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Cancels an agreement to play Tennessee home and home and
sites and I'm not criticizing.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Their athletic director, this is a reality.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Cites the college football playoff selection process as a fundamental
reason why we have to understand the college football playoffs
selection process is threatening the regular season, not supporting it.
Remember all those conversations people had about, hey, if you
expand the playoff, you're going to diminish the regular season.
I think there is something to that. I just think
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everybody missed that the regular season was being changed by
the college football playoff. So point one is whether people
agree or not. I think the first issue that has
to be addressed is the selection criteria incentivizing playing these
highly competitive, highly desired games, whether that's non conference or conference.
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That's one. The second is, I think conference is coming
together to facilitate this scheduling is important, and I'll just
take ourselves. We facilitate four end of year non conference
games last week of the season. We've had schools actually
leave our league and come back, and we facilitated those
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games when when they've wanted to play. So I think
from my perspective, I'm happy for a coordinated conversation to
try to get scheduling right. But I do think you
have to go back to at the forefront of everyone's
mind is how decisions about the postseason are going to
be made. And that's the point I've made more subtly
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than of late and more directly in the most recent comments,
because I do think that leads the agenda of what
must be addressed in college football scheduling is how this
postseason selection guides people's thinking.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Give me the one thing that keeps you up at
night that has to do with where we're where we
are or where we're headed.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
If I could, if I like, if I could have
one thing to keep me up at night, I'd sleep
like a baby again, So.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Let's just stipulate that would I would be out like
a light.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
I wake up every day on issues around the relationship
with our dudent athletes, and that's both the economic relationship.
I'm concerned about the lifelong impact, about the amount of
money that flows into somebody's life when the motional maturity
may not be there. You know, how do you go
take a fifty thousand dollars entry level job and we
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run these ads that ninety eight percent of the people
on the athletic fields or courts or tracks are going
pro in something else, and you've had your own personal
economics or value inflated. How do you learn those lifelong lessons?
I think the transfer environment is linked to that, perhaps
the inability to walk through some of the difficult moments
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in life. Hey, it's not every transfer is a problematic transfer.
And I speak as somebody who transferred a couple of times.
You're trying to figure it out, especially if you're a
first generation college student, like you don't have somebody pulling
you aside and helping you understand, Hey, maybe if you
stick it out, build your legacy in one place, receive
some economic benefit, have educational and relational continuity, you come
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out as a more prepared adult for what's next in life.
The combination of those factor the economic relationship, the transfer decisions,
and then the lifelong impacts that come from that we're
not going to know for a while.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Those are at the top of what keeps me up
at night.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I propose this well to myself, but on my show
probably ten years ago, that if you have players who
are coming to school because they think they're going to
be a professional athlete, can you have some kind of
curriculum that helps them with investing, balancing a checkbook, real estate,
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think taxes, things that have to do that are you know,
the history of Mesopotamia. While I took the course hasn't
helped me today. But if you're taking something that does
prepare you, and college is supposed to prepare you. If
I go to college and we have, you know, some
kind of symbiotic relationship of I'm coming to use you,
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you're using me. I don't have any interesting staying in school,
but can you help them with things that will help
them in what they want to do.
Speaker 7 (37:11):
A few points like I studied the Mesopotamian thing and
had the same reaction. Then I went to the British
Museum and there's a section on Mesopotamia and I'm like, hey,
I read about this when I was fourteen or something
like that. That's one second. I think if it's if
it's only in life, do what you want and not
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challenge you to broaden your horizons, I think we lose
an opportunity to help young people grow. So I would
never suggest we just walk away from a broad educational experience. Third, sure,
could we pivot, and there are plenty of electives, There
are plenty of ways to learn. But our athletics departments
provide pretty deep financial literacy programs. In fact, I've debated
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with current student athletes like should I not pay taxes
right now on my earning and wait and paint at
the end of the year and then go into quarterly
tax payments for kind of ten ninety nine work.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
So that I can invest that money. I'm talking about nineteen.
Speaker 7 (38:09):
And twenty year olds in business classes and taking financial
literacy classes through their athletics department. It's not the lack
of provision of education, information and context that people involved
have to receive that whether it's Mesopotamia, real estate deals,
or how to balance your checkbook, it's not just that
the educational opportunity and.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
The information is provided.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
They have a responsibility to understand. They have to consume
that information and internalize it and use it. And I
would say too for the people around the student athlete,
for the young person involved in college athletics. You know,
the notion that what's happening around nil payments just continues
all the way through life, I think can be kind
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of a perceived pot of gold at the end of
a rainbow that's just going to continue. And I think
we all know that hard work, dedication, perseverance, taking a
risk here and there, betting on yourself, those are the
things through the next forty years of life that sets
you up for success, not that defined area between you know,
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eighteen and twenty two. In fact, there's a John Grisham
novel called Bleachers about a high school football player. And
I'll paraphrase one of the lines in this novel and hey,
it's a novel, but it's pretty wise, which is the
worst thing that can happen to somebody is that become
the biggest deal ever when they're eighteen or nineteen years old,
because there's a whole lifetime ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Big twelve ACC commissioners on your Christmas card list, you guys.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
So yeah, hey, disagreements Finally one of my great conversations
a oneth to go. Roy Kramer, who was SEC Commissioner
number six, was telling me stories about going to me
with Jim Delaney and Tom Hansen, who was the PAC
twelve commissioner, and like he said, we walk out of
that room and we hated each other, and then we
went home, we got to work and figured it out.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
I think disagreement's absolutely fine. It makes us better.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
And I think for the fact that we comment about
each other, we have a conversation as the four of
us tomorrow and yeah, we rob each other off from
time to time, but we do have a responsibility to
work together, and I think each each of us understands
that responsibility.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Play nice, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Okay, we'll go to the sandbox and see what we
can do.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
That's Greg Sanky, SEC Commissioner.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
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Speaker 2 (40:29):
Dereck Henry. He is the Baltimore Ravens star. Let me
give the full lineup here. He is a five time
Pro bowler. He is the twenty twenty NFL Offensive Player
of the Year, two time rushing champ, three time rushing
touchdown leader. Signed a two year, thirty million dollar deal
in the off season. Twenty five million is guaranteed. All
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of a sudden, the running backs are valued again. Derrick
Henry joining us on the program. Good to talk to
you again. You know, let me start when you went
to Alabama. You had one of the more decorated high
school resumes in history of any running back, maybe the
greatest of any running back. Then you go to Alabama
and you're like third or fourth on the depth chart.
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How do you how do you process that from going
from what you were in high school to a backup
back up at Alabama.
Speaker 8 (41:22):
Yeah, I think that was one of my first times
that I actually like experienced adversity, which was really good
for me coming into to that program being highly recruited
and having a stellar high school career and then coming
to Alabama getting humbled.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Really really quick.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Uh it was.
Speaker 8 (41:46):
It was really good for me and a great learning
experience for me as well, being so young because I
graduated high school early in the road that spring and
got to got to participate in spring football and uh
get a jump on that early and then up then
end up getting hurt the last scrimmage practice right before
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the spring game. Uh, fractured my fibula and tore all
the ligaments in my ankle.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
So that year was a big adversity learned a year
from me.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
What was your welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I'll say probably my rookie year. And in camp.
Speaker 8 (42:34):
I think we were might have been a running play
kind of got lit up a little bit by Sean Spence.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Uh what do you mean you kind of got lit
up like like like he hit me.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
I didn't fall, but.
Speaker 8 (42:48):
Like kind of got knocked back a little bit and
then I end up finishing the play. But I gotta
got a good pop out of it.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
This is in practice.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
This in practice.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, Yeah, they're allowed to hit you that hard.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
I mean it's a thud, but like we mean we're
going for Yes, it's gonna be it's gonna be loud,
a stout dude.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
You ever knocked anybody out in practice?
Speaker 3 (43:15):
No, I don't try to do anything like that.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Well, they might run into you and knock themselves out, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
If if the collision is that big. But I try
to be nice to my teammates.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
What do you do better now at thirty one than
you did it twenty one?
Speaker 8 (43:31):
I think the game has just come with more experience,
you know what to expect. Uh, look at tendensees. I mean,
as long as you study film, it'll make it a
lot easier to atisation to the to the little things.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
But what are you looking for when you know you're
getting the ball?
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Okay, so Lamar is calling the play and then all
of a sudden and then that two seconds, three seconds,
whatever it is. What are you looking at?
Speaker 8 (44:03):
Well, ma'am, just looking at the defense, seeing how they
are aligned, trying to see what I can make happen.
I mean, because they give you a picture and then
the snap of finger that could change as soon as
the ball is snap. So I just try to try
to see what the defense is given us and not
try to anticipate too much because you don't want to
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make a pre snap the decision. But just let it
come naturally, but just really try to get a picture
from the defense really then be out there running.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
When did the shift go back to now running backs
are valued with you and Sa Kuan?
Speaker 8 (44:42):
Yeah, Like we had that big commotion about it like
a year and a half ago when the market was
it was really sad. You know, we you know, wanted
to do something about it, and I think the biggest
solution was play better, show our value.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
But you had to get the opportunities to carry the ball,
to run for nineteen hundred yards and in Saquon for
two thousand.
Speaker 8 (45:08):
Yeah, I mean I think you know, at the time,
I was still Intenden see when that big commotion came about,
and he was in New York and a lot of
guys were still on different teams.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
And next year some of us are free agents.
Speaker 8 (45:21):
We all got a little different franchises and you know,
new opportunities, new beginnings, and it all worked out well
for us, and the market is, you know, where we
wanted to get it to for the future of guys
that's coming out to us.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
We're talking to Derrick Henry. He signed a two year,
thirty million dollar extension twenty five million guaranteed signing. But
when's the last time you spent a lot of money
on something like you splurged?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
He went, oh boy, yeah, I mean I don't try
to spurge too much.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Something crazy that I know.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
I know, but everything. Everybody has something that they really like.
I mean, you like what you like.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
And I think my biggest thing right now is I'm
into like watches. I love I love watches. All right,
what what did you buy.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Recently? Purchased?
Speaker 8 (46:14):
Was like, I think I got a a platinum Daytona Rolex. Okay,
that was a nice one.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
But yeah, yeah, you gotta gotta treat yourself. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
But but if you're in New York City, you can
buy those watches that look like real Rolelexes and then
you don't have to spend you know, fifty sixty million,
you know, one thousand dollars on it, saying.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
You can you can't. You can't buy them though, you
should wear in the game one time, you know, just
oh no, no, no, it'd be it'd be great advertising.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
There, definitely would I just do it?
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Though? Heck no, uh the bench press game, Let's go
around the room one rap derek'spouse all right, Todd four
forty or forty, Seaton four fifty five, Marvin for twenty five,
Pauli for twenty five. I'm gonna go four thirty five,
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one rep.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
I think you might be.
Speaker 8 (47:20):
Right, man, I think that's the last last time I've
been like heavy max probably for thirty.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Five, okay, but that would probably be up there among
the top running backs. I'm guessing. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
I mean some strong guys in the league.
Speaker 8 (47:34):
And it's been a while since I did a max bench,
But last time I did it, it was probably probably
for thirty five.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
All right, black dumb bell, like dumb bill, bitch.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
What about forty yard dash? What would you run it?
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Now? Probably the same when I when I ran it
during the combine? What was that? It was like four
four five four four five two okay.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
But you seem to be faster when you're carrying the football.
There's certain guys who run faster when people are chasing them.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
I feel that way. I don't know, you know, you know,
some people say you have like.
Speaker 8 (48:14):
Testing speed, and then some people have football speed, and
I definitely feel like that's the case for me.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I feel like I'm more faster on the field. If
I had you and Lamar race, Oh, I like me.
I'm gonna guess he likes him.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yeah, for sure? Who did you have?
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Did you have a poster on your wall?
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Growing up?
Speaker 8 (48:39):
I was a big Ladaian Thompson fan, but I like
all running backs though, but I was a big LT fan.
I said, I had his Bible head jersey. I love LT.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
What What have you talked to him?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (48:52):
I talked LT plenty of times. Heank you did he
get some time with him as a little Nike event
at Nike Hill.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
But he runs differently than you.
Speaker 8 (49:00):
Do, way differently, And I thought I can run like
him until I got older and the bigger our guy,
I was like, maybe I'm not like.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Do you wish you were built like Ladanian more than
you're built like you?
Speaker 3 (49:12):
No?
Speaker 8 (49:12):
I mean the Danis and Ladanian and I'm me so
God make me the way I need to be made.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
So I'm sure there are defenders that wish you were
built like Ladanian.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
There was running now, I mean you know that size
ain't matter, and it was he was the truth.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Great to talk to you. Congrats on the contract extension.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
There, appreciate it, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Can we get to two thousand yards this year. I mean,
why stop at nineteen hundred.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I know how important was two thousand for you?
Speaker 3 (49:46):
It wasn't really, it wasn't. It wasn't important at all.
Speaker 8 (49:50):
But you know, when you get that close, everybody's like, hey,
you couldn't get two thousands, thine hundred, you couldn't get
two thousand.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
I'm like, no, I don't know what in my cards?
That's you?
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Well and uh, nice to talk to you. We'll talk
to you again. Thank you again, and congrats on the contract.
Speaker 8 (50:05):
Appreciate it, Dan, Thank you for wearing that hoodie. Man,
I'm green, brighten up my day. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Well, this is Happy Gilmore too.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
This is what Adam so, okay, that's one of my
you know, I was helling my favorite actors. So that's
what's up.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
So that that's the Happy Gilmore golf swing right there,
that patch right there.
Speaker 8 (50:25):
Hey, if you can you do my favorite Yeah, if
you ever see him again, tell him I'm a really
big fan.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
I would really love to meet him one day.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Okay, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm going to
text him today and ask if he'll send a video please,
and then I'm going to send it.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
To the Ravens. Okay. Cool, I'm a huge fan. Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
And if you get to two thousand yards, I'll get
you in a Sandler movie.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
All right, Cool? Say no more? Is that all right?
Remember that? Now you remember this. Remember no.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
I'll take care of my end of it, okay. I
mean mine's easy, Yeah, yours is hard. You got to
get two thousand yards, no more. No pressure, that is all, no.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Pressure at all.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
All right, thank you, alright, see y'all.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hall of famer Charles Barkley back on the program. Are
you unemployed right now?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
No, I signed a deal last week.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Then, okay, when do you start working with ESPN.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Next year when the season starts?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh? Okay, so there's nothing going on from now until
the start of next season.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
No, you know, I took my time trying to figure out.
My big thing was the work schedule, and I got together.
I've been working on it for like two months, and
I got together with T and T last week and
I signed a deal.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So how many days a week are you going to
work at the Mother Show?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Well, you know it's I don't even think they know
the exact schedule, to be honest with.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You, so you better know the exact schedule.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Well, I'm gonna trust trust them, you know. But that's
been my biggest concern. Yeah. Uh So, like I said,
I didn't officially assigned it to last week. I said
I'd worked for two more years and that's what I
agreed to, and.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I'm gonna have to trust them.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
But I listen, you know, if if they start trying
to work me too much between ESPN TNT.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I'm just gonna walk on home, you.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Know, because listen, I actually have seven years left on
my contract.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I'm like, yeah, there's no way I'm working seven years.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I says, you know, I'm gonna be a good soldier
for Kenny, Ernie and Shaq and the people I work with,
because I love the people I work with, especially behind
the scenes. I said, but the best I can do
is two years and the mother five years. They got
no chance to happen, and so I said, you know what,
I give y'all two years.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
They're like, can we get three?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I said, I just told you I'm gonna get you.
You know, David, it was the fun I said, I
get I'll give you two years that can we get three?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I said, I just told you I was gonna get
you two.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Welcome to the SPN way of life.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Though this is the TNT people, uh because because my
I think my my contract technically is still with T
and T.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay, Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, I'm gonna be a good soldier.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
What was that feeling like last show?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Well, I was.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Fine until Ernie started getting emotional and then I started
tearing up. And I'm glad that they only had the
camera on him, you know, because you know Kenny and Shaq, you.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Know, they were just talking. I was like, okay, he did,
but Ernie was emotional. Uh. The crowd was great.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
But like I said, man, you've been I've been with
these people for twenty five years. It's a great thing.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
The NBA family has been tremendous to us. The fans
have been tremendous for us.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But you know, I will admit, you know, I'm looking forward.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You know, ESPN is the most famous sports brand ever,
and it's gonna be Uh, it's gonna be awesome working
for them, and uh, nobody knows what's gonna happen. I mean,
I think that's the only thing that like what are
we actually going to do? So I think that's that's
the only thing. But like I say, I did not
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want to leave people out in the cold. So I say,
you know what, let me do it for a couple
of years and then y'all can have it.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Okay, But does the show look like the show? It's
just it's inside the NBA, but it's on ESPN. Is
that how you're uh like positioning this?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Dad? We don't even know.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
You see that that that's one of the reason I
was waiting, like, yeah, I don't know what we're doing.
And then TNT is trying to do something stupid behind
the scenes. We taped the pilot about a month ago,
and it was the stupidest ship I've ever seen my life.
You know, because because because we're not going to be
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on ESPN as much as people think.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Wait, wait, what do you mean you taped a pilot.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Well, because ESPN, Because we're only probably going to be
working for ESPN like half the time to one third
the time. So I think tn T wants to do something.
And we taped a pilot about a month ago and
it was the stupidest ship ever.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Okay, so you're still going to do a show, an
NBA show on t n T and you're gonna do
a show on ESPN. Yes, okay, good But.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
But but like I said, if they're being honest, we're
gonna probably work on ESPN one third or half the time.
But they're trying to do something stupid at tn T,
which which which is which is number one is the
stupid idea for a couple of reasons. Number one, we
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we won't we won't. We won't have basketball highlights. But
also we're probably gonna be going up against the NBA game.
And I don't anybody who likes basketball. The ain't gonna say, hey,
you know what, let me turn off an NBA game
that's on Amazon, ESPN or NBC to go watch these
(05:00):
four dudes hit around and talk about nothing. So it's complicated.
And like I say, we taped the pilot doing stupid
stuff and it was just stupid stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And I wouldn't want to go out like that.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Okay, is this like a second screen or a manning can?
Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Don't they don't know? They listen?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Oh my god, I'm telling you, Dan, it was interesting
we were sitting there taping it.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Well, I will admit one thing. I get TNT credit.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
They did say it was awful pilot with you.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
They were honest.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
They were honest because it was like we just uh
so they want to do something. But like I say,
the problem we got we got to be going up
because they're gonna be probably much Well, no, that's gonna
be an n big NBA game on every night, so
whenever we do it, it's gonna be up against the NBA game.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So that's the first problem.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
So but I guess they want to feel like they're
doing something to make us earn our money from tn T.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Charles Barsley joining us inside the n B A uh
on t n T, is it gonna be? Okay, what's
the show called on t N T? And is what's
the show called on ESPN?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Man?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Then then first of all, I guess inside the n
B A I think, and and I guess it's gonna
be just inside the NBA on ESPN, A b C.
I think that's easy. But I think so I forget.
I think the pile is called inside the NBA.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
That's not confusing.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Well, well you know that. You know the thing that
was hilarious about it. Then we didn't have any NBA.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You know, you have no rights to the NBA, but
you're inside of the NBA.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
We can't show highlights. We can't show highlights.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
So we were sitting there for like an hour and
a half taking this pilot, and we're looking at each other,
what the hell are we doing? But like I say,
I give TNT credit the first thing they said out
of the pilot, Yeah, that was really stupid.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
We got to figure something out.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
What role do you think Michael Jordan's going to play
with NBC's coverage.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh, that's a great question. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I don't see Michael bean on television a lot. I mean,
I don't see Michael being on television a lot. To
be honest with you, why do you think he's doing this?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I have a zero ideal. I think it's great that
he's going to be part of the NBA.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I mean, he's, in my opinion, no disrespect to Kobe
or Lebron, he's the greatest player I've seen. I have
no idea why he's doing it, but it's a welcome addition.
I mean, yo, man, you know this is going to
be interesting going forward because there's so much money out
there right now. Dan like, they got to do everything
(08:03):
and their power to engage fans. I mean the money
at the NBC, Amazon and ESPN are paying you know.
You know, I tell people we were paying about one
point two billion dollars a year, and it goes up
to two point five billion. Those numbers don't compute, So
you're gonna have to do everything in your power to
draw fans. I think it's gonna be fascinating going forward,
(08:27):
how this thing is going to work.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
What do you think Jordan would get paid today if
he was playing.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Well, he'd be the first hundred million dollar player. Well, well,
first of all, we gonna have guys making seventy eight
to ninety million dollars three to four years. Yes, you know,
but you know, man, bless these guys as long as
they appreciate how lucky they are and don't think they're
making all that money because they're great players. They were
just boring at the right time. We got a bunch
(08:54):
of great players. But man, these guys, I just hope
they appreciate how lucky they are and stop this bs
with low management. You know, we can't keep crapping on
the fans where we're like yeah, wait, yeah, you're making
seventy million dollars. You can't play basketball four days a week.
You can't work two days in a row. And you
(09:16):
want doctors and nurses and firemen and comps and people
in the military and people who got like work in.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
The cement factory.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Like wait a minute, I make twenty dollars an hour.
This dude makes seventy million dollars and he can't play
back to back. Come on, man, I think that's an
insult to the fans, and it might.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Be a problem.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
It was already a problem, but when this money like
double and triple, the fans gonna are like, yeah, I'm
not watching this crap any more. If these dudes can't
play two games in a row. Can you imagine you
a fan and you get like a great player who
comes west to east or east to west. He's only
coming one time a year, and the tickets are ridiculous,
(09:59):
and you're like, yeah, he.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Played last night.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Uh so I think there's some things we got to
amstor A basketball players going forward.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, but you're making whatever, twenty million dollars a year
and you only want to work two days a week.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I show up every day though we Hey listen, I
show up. I show up every day.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Then okay, back back to back though.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Back to back? Wait, like going the playoffs. You know,
we worked like six days a week and I show
up every day for those six days. Hey, then you
know what you guys?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You know, I apologize. I apologize. I didn't realize the
work schedule, the workload.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
You have my bad?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Oh you just wait, just oh there you go? Are
you back?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You you can hear me.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Now, no, you froze up right after I said that
with the apology, and I thought you were you know,
it was a dramatic pauloge there, so.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Wow, because it was a dramatic Shaw changed me.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Dan, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I didn't show shank you.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Changed you.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh I thought it was Shaw shanked. Oh yeah, I
sure changed you, But I didn't shawshank you.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah. Okay, But but you know these guys out there,
you know, I'm so old.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
We flew commercial and played back to back, and these
guys got the best private planes, they got the best
medical staff, they got these cold water plunges, they got
the hyperbaric chambers.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean, they got the best shoes.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
And they can't play basketball two days in a row
for fifty sixty million dollars. That's the craziest stuff ever.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Man, Well, this will be crazy, I'm sure to you.
But I brought this up to Stephen Jackson last week.
I said, you know, can you see a time or
get ready for Larry Bird dropping out as one of
the top ten players of all time? Like, could you
see a scenario where Larry is not ranked in the
top ten all time?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Well, let me say this the three most important figures
in NBA history of Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and Michael Jordan.
You know, there are a lot of great players, but
there's only a few guys who transcend the sport. I'll
throw Kobe in there, I'll throw Lebron in there, I'll
(12:21):
stow Steph in there, and there are a lot of really,
really good players, but nobody can take away the historic
significant member. Dave Corbin's one of the greatest ever against
mad When I say this, before Magic Johnson and Larry Berry,
the league was too black, two thugery. The average salary
was two hundred thousand dollars. Now the average salary is
(12:43):
like twelve million dollars. And Magic and Bird started transformation.
Michael Jordan took it to a whole other level. He
got guys making one hundred million dollars from Nike now
and other shoe brands. That's all Michael Jordan. Because you
look at the same thing in golf, Garrett, player, Arnold
and Jack. They are the three foundational pieces and tiger
(13:06):
woods that once in a generation player who was Michael
Jordan and golf, there are a lot of great players.
Phil Michles is probably the only other person in that
conversation in golf. But there's very few athletes in every
sport that people can say, oh, you know, yeah, he's playing,
I'm going to watch. That does not be We don't
have a lot of great players, like right now, we
(13:28):
got Shade, we got the Joker, we got Joannis, we
got Lebron, Luke, all these guys, but there are very
few players that transcend their sport. So no matter what
happens with Bird, as far as that him and Matty
Johnson are the two most important figures in NBA history
in my opinion, then I say, then we all old
(13:51):
Michael because when Michael's you know, when he started doing commercials,
that changed everything for everybody. Now, because of Michael, I
was making millions of dollars from wearing Nike. Nobody was
doing that, Nobody had a signature shoe or they were
making one hundred million dollars a year.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
That's all because of Michael.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
That's why, regardless of all this other stuff, this Lebron stuff,
this Kobe stuff, people buy shoes because of Michael freaking Jordan.
That's it, I mean, And that's no disrespect to anybody. Yes,
some of these other guys out here selling shoes. Michael,
you try to make people wear shoes to wedding. Nobody
(14:33):
ever thought about wearing shoes to weddings until I could
do it.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Think about that, then.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Did you ever wear Air Jordan's when you played.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
I'll tell you what's interesting about that? When Michael had
pulled me aside and told me we went out smoking
cigars the last time, he said, the Marty that flew down,
he said, I got something to tell you, guys. He
flew down to Houston, and he takes us out. We
go out to dinner, we go out to smoke some cigars.
He says, guys, I'm just giving you all the heads up.
(15:06):
I'm gonna retire to the end of the season. I'm like,
what am and a mob was like, I think he's serious.
He said he I'm gonna retire to the end of
the season. So I called him like a week later
and I said, oh, man, that's a tribute, because you know,
remember when Magic Johnson announced he had AIDS.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I wanted to pay homage to him.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I called Billy Cunningham and said, hey, can I wear
your jersey to celebrate Magic Johnson? He says, sure, no problem,
I said, because and I called Irvan. I say, hey, Man,
for everything you did for me and my family, I'm
gonna wear number thirty two all year. So I wore
thirty two one year. But I called Michael and I said, hey,
send me a pair of shoes. I just want to
(15:48):
tell you how much I appreciate everything you did for me.
Give me that, give me that advice on that Nike
stock that made me a thirty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And that was an insider trading, was no because you know,
at the.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Time, I was making about three million dollars a year
and we were playing golf and he said, Chuck, I
was talking to somebody, So I want you to quit
taking three million, take a million, and take the other
two million and stock options. So I called my people
and they say, hey, Michael told me to do that,
because miche has always been a brilliant businessman.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And they're like, this is risky. You think he gonna
be that great?
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I says, man, I ain't never seen nobody like that, dude,
because I had met him at the Olympic trials. I says,
he gonna be amazing, he says, And we did it,
and like I said, I ended up probably making seriously
another fifty million dollars, to be honest with you, but
he made.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Me trade that in.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
But the point I was making, man, I put his
shoes on one game. He definitely did the greatest bann
basketball player ever. Then those were the heaviest DOWMN ever
played in in my life.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I'm not even.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Joking because when I designed my shoes, I'm one of
them really really light. I played in those heavy ass
air joints one game. It was like I had bricks
on my damn feet then, and I've been one hundred
cents serious. I called him man, I actually called him
after the game. I said, Yo, Man, what the hell
you be putting in these damn stue I mean, they
(17:19):
were so damn heavy. Then I said, hey, I played
in them one game. As attribute to him, these shoes
to damn heavy for me, Man, that's a two story.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Then it makes it even more amazing what Mike did
in those air Jordan's.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I said, you're really out of damn bricks. Bricks.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Do you do you think he could have had them
design a special pair for you that maybe were a
little heavy. You know, Mike's very competitive.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
No, because he got them to me like in two days. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
he had time to put no bricks in them. But man,
them shoes were heavy as hell.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Man before I let you go, Uh, what kind of
chance you give the Pacers against Okase.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I think they can make it competitive, but I've been
saying for months, nobody can beat that team four times
in a week. The Pacers got a good team, but
the Okay See, they're one of the best teams I've
seen in a long time.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
They're the deepest. They might be the deepest NBA team
I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
They be playing guys who don't even play like the
last series, and they put them in the game.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
They're like, damn, what he been so and that's gonna
really negate the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
The Pacers bench which beat them to help them beat
the Knicks because the Thunder they're bringing better players off
the bench than the Pacers. The Pacers got a terrific bench,
but Oklahoma City got better bench players.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
So I hope it's a good.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Series, but I don't think anybody can beat okay See
four times in a week.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Great to talk to you. Perhaps I'll see you in Tahoe.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
You a coward.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Dan know I'm gonna go out there.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Oh you're not gonna play.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, they didn't invite me. I might be working.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
You won't be working. We play on a Friday afternoon,
on Faturday and Sunday.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I'm bringing I think I might bring the show out
to Tahoe.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
You bring it out and I do. I should do it.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
How long you on?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
How long you own?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Three hours?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I'll give you an hour one day me and you.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Okay, But so last time you came to Tahoe, you
missed about six little three inch putts because you normally
they give you you know, yeah, as we have to
put out.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I didn't pick up my ball one time. Like that's good, right,
And then I was like, oh no, people looked at
me like what are you doing. I wasn't that good?
Then like no, you gotta play them, gotta play them
all the way to day.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yes you do, brother? All right?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Uh yeah, I'll see you maybe in July.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
All right, brother, be safe, safe out there, all right.
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Speaker 2 (21:05):
That's Cavino and Rich Greg Zankee, SEC commissioner kind enough
to join us. It's been kind of busy here in
the off season. Never stops for you. Recap what happened
last week, give me the cliff notes version.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Spent a lot of time in overly air conditioned meeting
rooms in western Florida with athletics directors, head coaches, football, men's,
women's basketball, and our presidence and chancellors. Talked about our
football schedule, the college football playoff, potential settlement of a
set of lawsuits that would introduce a revenue sharing model
(21:41):
to college sports, and we talked about any other number
of issues like our softball tournament location that are probably
more mundane than you want to jump into on a
Monday morning. But happy to talk about softball and gymnastics
championships locations for the conference if you'd like.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Well, that's why to have you on. But let's get
some of these ancillary things out of the right. That's fair, Okay,
let me start with basketball and then we'll get to football.
The discussions of seventy two, seventy six teams, any discussion
from the SEC portion of this.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
I introduced the issue to our men's basketball coaches, which
I think we've talked about with that group before. I
would guess Dan, given the other issues we have on
our plate, that that conversation maybe lasted five minutes. My
points to them were, this is still a work in progress.
I didn't know that there was going to be kind
(22:39):
of a press gathering. This is not a criticism. Charlie
Baker spoke about tournament expanse I think the day after
our basketball coaches gathered, I mentioned it to our wins
basketball coaches as well. Briefly, didn't really go anywhere, and
so my introduction was, I just want you to be
aware problem. Towards the end of the month, this will
(23:02):
come up.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I said.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
My view is, I think we should be exploring tournament expansion.
Whether or not it happens, it is actually another point
of evaluation. So have the conversation, deep dive, figure out
if it works practically, competitively economically. I think the one
issue for us is if it is expanded. Let's pick
the number of seventy six and I'll do quick math
(23:25):
for you. So fifty two of the seventy six teams
would be like in that traditional first round. The other
twenty four would play in twelve games, the twelve winners
meet up with the fifty two. There's your sixty fourteen bracket.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Right.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
That's like from my intermural director days at you to
the comp That's how I know how bracckets work. I'm
really interested and we're interested in a league. Is who
fills those twelve games those other twenty four teams. The
kind of Dayton model, if you will, which is a
men's basketball side is it's a combination of the lowest aqs,
(24:00):
the lowest rated aqs kind of by placement of the committee,
and then the last at large teams in And I
kind of pivot to look look to North Carolina State
last year eleven seed, they were in AQ, but they
went to the final four. And it's just kind of
an indication that competitively, those top fifty or so teams,
you know, things fall right, injuries, heel can make really
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good runs. So I'm not one who thinks we should
just follow the Dayton model automatically have expanded if expansion
takes place.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
So that was my reference to our coaches.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
When our decisions made or voted on for expansion for
the college football playoffs.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
Buy agreement that the outer boundary is November thirty December
one of this year for the twenty six playoff. Now
keep in mind, when we went to twelve teams, the
board said that'll be the format for twenty twenty six.
Let's start early if we can, which we obviously did
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I think did overall in a successful way. But what
was introduced immediately is let's go through these two years
and conduct an evaluation. So we're in that evaluation standpoint.
A lot of talk about really fourteen or sixteen that
I think twelve is known as as kind of a
foundation point, but the conversation is about fourteen or sixteen,
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and then how our team select it or placed into
whatever size bracket exists is the more the headline question. Okay,
but what model do you like? Well, I've been one
who said over time, I'd give no allocation. So this
whole five seven thing that exists now, I just make
it the twelve best teams, and I was clear on that. Now,
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when we get into rooms, we make political compromises, if
you will, small p not like Congress political compromises, but
to achieve an outcome.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
But the sides on the top twelve Teams Selection committee. Yeah,
but here's what I think.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I think we've not.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
We spent so much time expanding and working through our
own little side arguments about teams and oh, we can't
do this, we need this, you got to protect this
bowl game or that bowl game. We never went back
to the essence of decision making, which is how our
team selected. As everyone relocated over the last four or
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five years, do the analyses that existed and worked for
the fourteen playoff and twenty fourteen still have the same
relevance and we're behind that curve in my opinion. That's
why other ideas are introduced and considered, and we've looked
at ideas. You know, this allocation of it's called automatic bids.
That's such a harsh term. I think allocations is one
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where I like that word because we've already we already allocated.
And look at last year. We had two teams not
in the top four. They get to move up because
of the political compromise. We have a team outside the
twelve that moves in, and then the teams that are
displaced look around and say, hey, wait a second, that
doesn't make any sense any longer. That introduces the questions
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around should that model continue or should that allocation model
expand where other teams are brought in.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Talking to Greg Sankie, SEC Commissioner, we've talked about this before.
You know, given the scheduling and hotel rooms and travel
of reseeding after the first round of games, can is
that on the table at all anymore?
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Well, not really receding, because almost what a week and
a half ago for the twenty five season, this college
Football Playoff Management Committee, which is the commissioners and the
Notre Dame Athletic Director, agreed to just go to straight
seating by ranking. So the movement of teams outside the
top four into the top four that won't happen in
twenty twenty five. You're going to get what you earn.
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Same for home games. We've not gone back into the
receiving question. And Dan, if you go back to June
of twenty one, which was like ancient history in college sports,
when the twelve team model was introduced, and we went
back through this about a month ago with everybody involved
on that management committee, one of the questions.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Was should we be in receding.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
We never really got back to that because you remember
the SEC had this little expansion to sixteen, great disruption
in the forest. Then we had twenty two in expansion
of the big ten. So he waited around for a year,
and now we've been in hurry up mode since. So
we haven't talked so much about receding as we did
just about honoring the rankings in the bracket.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Help me understand the report on Cooper Flag as he
made close to thirty million dollars is one year at Duke,
that's nil. Help me understand as the athlete moves forward
of the salaries and nil and any restriction, any compromises
that will be there for these marquee athletes let's call them.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
Without commenting on the Cooper Flag story, I haven't seen that,
and nobody's sending me financial documents to verify.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
As you can imagine in this environment.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
A couple points one is this settlement that's positioned in
a set of lawsuits has great impact on the answer
to your question if the settlement is approved for the
first time at the college level, and really quite innovative
in the sports realm, would be the process for overseeing
third party name, image and likeness to establish there's an
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appropriate range of compensation and fair market excuse me, in
real business purposes.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Fulfilled around name image and likeness deals. That's not like novel.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
It just hasn't existed as we've gone on this state
by state exploration of kind of reducing any regulatory system
for college sports niol So. I think that's a first step,
and that's one component third party name image and likeness.
The second is what I think will be kind of
a name image and likeness activity within a revenue sharing
model where athletic programs are providing that payment directly to
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student athletes.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
That can be a better system. There has to be
a commitment to make it work.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
And I still am one who thinks that notion of
having fifty different state laws governing is highly problematic. You're
not going to have college World Series. You can't run
Final fours and national championships that way. You run something
more like high school championships where every state kind of
walls off it's and establishes its own rules. And I
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think that has to be understood as a significant point
of concern. That's why the return of national standards in
the congressional conversation still has meaning.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
What would stop me as a businessman if I wanted
the top quarterback in college football to come to Alabama,
and I want to give him twenty five million dollars
a year.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Right now, there hasn't been a lot.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
This is the States migrate away from any oversight of
their own laws or any regulation. If the settlement is approved,
I go back to that third party oversight, and it
would depend on your classification, assuming you have some affiliation,
you've provided money donations to the university involved. You then
kick into this third party in aisle oversight and the
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ability for somebody to be deemed at an appropriate real
business purpose and range of compensation level would be involved.
And if it doesn't, there'll be an opportunity to adjust
your offer.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I would love for conferences or maybe there's somebody who
can be like the NFL has somebody who does this scheduling,
like I would love. You know, we might lose Notre
Dame in USC like I'm I don't know, maybe I'm
the get off my line, the old guy, but you know,
can you come up with scheduling that we don't lose
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Texas versus Oklahoma or whatever? Oklahoma state? Oklahoma? I should say,
I got to want to lose these rights we don't
have many left, and I don't know if college football
could ever have a schedule overseer. So we do have
marquee matchups.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
This is this is.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Entertainment, it's TV non conference. You know, what do you
think of that?
Speaker 7 (32:25):
I think a couple things. Let's go back to the
college football playoffs. So I've been the recipient of plenty
kind of side comments about.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Good of the game, whatever that means.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
And when programs like when wake Forest notifies Old Miss
the day before their first game of a home and
home series that we're not playing the one back in Oxford,
that's a problem.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
When when Nebraska.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Cancels an agreement to play Tennessee home and home and
sites and I'm not criticizing.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Their athletic director, this is a reality.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Cites the college football playoff selection process as a fundamental
reason why we have to understand the college football playoffs
selection process is threatening the regular season, not supporting it.
Remember all those conversations people had about, hey, if you
expand the playoff, you're going to diminish the regular season.
I think there is something to that. I just think
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everybody missed that the regular season was being changed by
the college football playoff. So point one is whether people
agree or not. I think the first issue that has
to be addressed is the selection criteria incentivizing playing these
highly competitive, highly desired games, whether that's non conference or conference.
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That's one. The second is, I think conference is coming
together to facilitate this scheduling is important, and I'll just
take ourselves. We facilitate four end of year non conference
games last week of the season. We've had schools actually
leave our league and come back, and we facilitated those
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games when when they've wanted to play. So I think
from my perspective, I'm happy for a coordinated conversation to
try to get scheduling right. But I do think you
have to go back to at the forefront of everyone's
mind is how decisions about the postseason are going to
be made. And that's the point I've made more subtly
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than of late and more directly in the most recent comments,
because I do think that leads the agenda of what
must be addressed in college football scheduling is how this
postseason selection guides people's thinking.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Give me the one thing that keeps you up at
night that has to do with where we're where we
are or where we're headed.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
If I could, if I like, if I could have
one thing to keep me up at night, I'd sleep
like a baby again, So.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Let's just stipulate that would I would be out like
a light.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
I wake up every day on issues around the relationship
with our dudent athletes, and that's both the economic relationship.
I'm concerned about the lifelong impact, about the amount of
money that flows into somebody's life when the motional maturity
may not be there. You know, how do you go
take a fifty thousand dollars entry level job and we
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run these ads that ninety eight percent of the people
on the athletic fields or courts or tracks are going
pro in something else, and you've had your own personal
economics or value inflated. How do you learn those lifelong lessons?
I think the transfer environment is linked to that, perhaps
the inability to walk through some of the difficult moments
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in life. Hey, it's not every transfer is a problematic transfer.
And I speak as somebody who transferred a couple of times.
You're trying to figure it out, especially if you're a
first generation college student, like you don't have somebody pulling
you aside and helping you understand, Hey, maybe if you
stick it out, build your legacy in one place, receive
some economic benefit, have educational and relational continuity, you come
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out as a more prepared adult for what's next in life.
The combination of those factor the economic relationship, the transfer decisions,
and then the lifelong impacts that come from that we're
not going to know for a while.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Those are at the top of what keeps me up
at night.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I propose this well to myself, but on my show
probably ten years ago, that if you have players who
are coming to school because they think they're going to
be a professional athlete, can you have some kind of
curriculum that helps them with investing, balancing a checkbook, real estate,
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think taxes, things that have to do that are you know,
the history of Mesopotamia. While I took the course hasn't
helped me today. But if you're taking something that does
prepare you, and college is supposed to prepare you. If
I go to college and we have, you know, some
kind of symbiotic relationship of I'm coming to use you,
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you're using me. I don't have any interesting staying in school,
but can you help them with things that will help
them in what they want to do.
Speaker 7 (37:11):
A few points like I studied the Mesopotamian thing and
had the same reaction. Then I went to the British
Museum and there's a section on Mesopotamia and I'm like, hey,
I read about this when I was fourteen or something
like that. That's one second. I think if it's if
it's only in life, do what you want and not
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challenge you to broaden your horizons, I think we lose
an opportunity to help young people grow. So I would
never suggest we just walk away from a broad educational experience. Third, sure,
could we pivot, and there are plenty of electives, There
are plenty of ways to learn. But our athletics departments
provide pretty deep financial literacy programs. In fact, I've debated
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with current student athletes like should I not pay taxes
right now on my earning and wait and paint at
the end of the year and then go into quarterly
tax payments for kind of ten ninety nine work.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
So that I can invest that money. I'm talking about nineteen.
Speaker 7 (38:09):
And twenty year olds in business classes and taking financial
literacy classes through their athletics department. It's not the lack
of provision of education, information and context that people involved
have to receive that whether it's Mesopotamia, real estate deals,
or how to balance your checkbook, it's not just that
the educational opportunity and.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
The information is provided.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
They have a responsibility to understand. They have to consume
that information and internalize it and use it. And I
would say too for the people around the student athlete,
for the young person involved in college athletics. You know,
the notion that what's happening around nil payments just continues
all the way through life, I think can be kind
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of a perceived pot of gold at the end of
a rainbow that's just going to continue. And I think
we all know that hard work, dedication, perseverance, taking a
risk here and there, betting on yourself, those are the
things through the next forty years of life that sets
you up for success, not that defined area between you know,
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eighteen and twenty two. In fact, there's a John Grisham
novel called Bleachers about a high school football player. And
I'll paraphrase one of the lines in this novel and hey,
it's a novel, but it's pretty wise, which is the
worst thing that can happen to somebody is that become
the biggest deal ever when they're eighteen or nineteen years old,
because there's a whole lifetime ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Big twelve ACC commissioners on your Christmas card list, you guys.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
So yeah, hey, disagreements Finally one of my great conversations
a oneth to go. Roy Kramer, who was SEC Commissioner
number six, was telling me stories about going to me
with Jim Delaney and Tom Hansen, who was the PAC
twelve commissioner, and like he said, we walk out of
that room and we hated each other, and then we
went home, we got to work and figured it out.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
I think disagreement's absolutely fine. It makes us better.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
And I think for the fact that we comment about
each other, we have a conversation as the four of
us tomorrow and yeah, we rob each other off from
time to time, but we do have a responsibility to
work together, and I think each each of us understands
that responsibility.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Play nice, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Okay, we'll go to the sandbox and see what we
can do.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
That's Greg Sanky, SEC Commissioner.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
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Speaker 2 (40:29):
Dereck Henry. He is the Baltimore Ravens star. Let me
give the full lineup here. He is a five time
Pro bowler. He is the twenty twenty NFL Offensive Player
of the Year, two time rushing champ, three time rushing
touchdown leader. Signed a two year, thirty million dollar deal
in the off season. Twenty five million is guaranteed. All
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of a sudden, the running backs are valued again. Derrick
Henry joining us on the program. Good to talk to
you again. You know, let me start when you went
to Alabama. You had one of the more decorated high
school resumes in history of any running back, maybe the
greatest of any running back. Then you go to Alabama
and you're like third or fourth on the depth chart.
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How do you how do you process that from going
from what you were in high school to a backup
back up at Alabama.
Speaker 8 (41:22):
Yeah, I think that was one of my first times
that I actually like experienced adversity, which was really good
for me coming into to that program being highly recruited
and having a stellar high school career and then coming
to Alabama getting humbled.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Really really quick.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Uh it was.
Speaker 8 (41:46):
It was really good for me and a great learning
experience for me as well, being so young because I
graduated high school early in the road that spring and
got to got to participate in spring football and uh
get a jump on that early and then up then
end up getting hurt the last scrimmage practice right before
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the spring game. Uh, fractured my fibula and tore all
the ligaments in my ankle.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
So that year was a big adversity learned a year
from me.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
What was your welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I'll say probably my rookie year. And in camp.
Speaker 8 (42:34):
I think we were might have been a running play
kind of got lit up a little bit by Sean Spence.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Uh what do you mean you kind of got lit
up like like like he hit me.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
I didn't fall, but.
Speaker 8 (42:48):
Like kind of got knocked back a little bit and
then I end up finishing the play. But I gotta
got a good pop out of it.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
This is in practice.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
This in practice.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, Yeah, they're allowed to hit you that hard.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
I mean it's a thud, but like we mean we're
going for Yes, it's gonna be it's gonna be loud,
a stout dude.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
You ever knocked anybody out in practice?
Speaker 3 (43:15):
No, I don't try to do anything like that.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Well, they might run into you and knock themselves out, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
If if the collision is that big. But I try
to be nice to my teammates.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
What do you do better now at thirty one than
you did it twenty one?
Speaker 8 (43:31):
I think the game has just come with more experience,
you know what to expect. Uh, look at tendensees. I mean,
as long as you study film, it'll make it a
lot easier to atisation to the to the little things.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
But what are you looking for when you know you're
getting the ball?
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Okay, so Lamar is calling the play and then all
of a sudden and then that two seconds, three seconds,
whatever it is. What are you looking at?
Speaker 8 (44:03):
Well, ma'am, just looking at the defense, seeing how they
are aligned, trying to see what I can make happen.
I mean, because they give you a picture and then
the snap of finger that could change as soon as
the ball is snap. So I just try to try
to see what the defense is given us and not
try to anticipate too much because you don't want to
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make a pre snap the decision. But just let it
come naturally, but just really try to get a picture
from the defense really then be out there running.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
When did the shift go back to now running backs
are valued with you and Sa Kuan?
Speaker 8 (44:42):
Yeah, Like we had that big commotion about it like
a year and a half ago when the market was
it was really sad. You know, we you know, wanted
to do something about it, and I think the biggest
solution was play better, show our value.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
But you had to get the opportunities to carry the ball,
to run for nineteen hundred yards and in Saquon for
two thousand.
Speaker 8 (45:08):
Yeah, I mean I think you know, at the time,
I was still Intenden see when that big commotion came about,
and he was in New York and a lot of
guys were still on different teams.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
And next year some of us are free agents.
Speaker 8 (45:21):
We all got a little different franchises and you know,
new opportunities, new beginnings, and it all worked out well
for us, and the market is, you know, where we
wanted to get it to for the future of guys
that's coming out to us.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
We're talking to Derrick Henry. He signed a two year,
thirty million dollar extension twenty five million guaranteed signing. But
when's the last time you spent a lot of money
on something like you splurged?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
He went, oh boy, yeah, I mean I don't try
to spurge too much.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Something crazy that I know.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
I know, but everything. Everybody has something that they really like.
I mean, you like what you like.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
And I think my biggest thing right now is I'm
into like watches. I love I love watches. All right,
what what did you buy.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Recently? Purchased?
Speaker 8 (46:14):
Was like, I think I got a a platinum Daytona Rolex. Okay,
that was a nice one.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
But yeah, yeah, you gotta gotta treat yourself. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
But but if you're in New York City, you can
buy those watches that look like real Rolelexes and then
you don't have to spend you know, fifty sixty million,
you know, one thousand dollars on it, saying.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
You can you can't. You can't buy them though, you
should wear in the game one time, you know, just
oh no, no, no, it'd be it'd be great advertising.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
There, definitely would I just do it?
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Though? Heck no, uh the bench press game, Let's go
around the room one rap derek'spouse all right, Todd four
forty or forty, Seaton four fifty five, Marvin for twenty five,
Pauli for twenty five. I'm gonna go four thirty five,
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one rep.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
I think you might be.
Speaker 8 (47:20):
Right, man, I think that's the last last time I've
been like heavy max probably for thirty.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Five, okay, but that would probably be up there among
the top running backs. I'm guessing. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
I mean some strong guys in the league.
Speaker 8 (47:34):
And it's been a while since I did a max bench,
But last time I did it, it was probably probably
for thirty five.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
All right, black dumb bell, like dumb bill, bitch.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
What about forty yard dash? What would you run it?
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Now? Probably the same when I when I ran it
during the combine? What was that? It was like four
four five four four five two okay.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
But you seem to be faster when you're carrying the football.
There's certain guys who run faster when people are chasing them.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
I feel that way. I don't know, you know, you know,
some people say you have like.
Speaker 8 (48:14):
Testing speed, and then some people have football speed, and
I definitely feel like that's the case for me.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I feel like I'm more faster on the field. If
I had you and Lamar race, Oh, I like me.
I'm gonna guess he likes him.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yeah, for sure? Who did you have?
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Did you have a poster on your wall?
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Growing up?
Speaker 8 (48:39):
I was a big Ladaian Thompson fan, but I like
all running backs though, but I was a big LT fan.
I said, I had his Bible head jersey. I love LT.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
What What have you talked to him?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (48:52):
I talked LT plenty of times. Heank you did he
get some time with him as a little Nike event
at Nike Hill.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
But he runs differently than you.
Speaker 8 (49:00):
Do, way differently, And I thought I can run like
him until I got older and the bigger our guy,
I was like, maybe I'm not like.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Do you wish you were built like Ladanian more than
you're built like you?
Speaker 3 (49:12):
No?
Speaker 8 (49:12):
I mean the Danis and Ladanian and I'm me so
God make me the way I need to be made.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
So I'm sure there are defenders that wish you were
built like Ladanian.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
There was running now, I mean you know that size
ain't matter, and it was he was the truth.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Great to talk to you. Congrats on the contract extension.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
There, appreciate it, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Can we get to two thousand yards this year. I mean,
why stop at nineteen hundred.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I know how important was two thousand for you?
Speaker 3 (49:46):
It wasn't really, it wasn't. It wasn't important at all.
Speaker 8 (49:50):
But you know, when you get that close, everybody's like, hey,
you couldn't get two thousands, thine hundred, you couldn't get
two thousand.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
I'm like, no, I don't know what in my cards?
That's you?
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Well and uh, nice to talk to you. We'll talk
to you again. Thank you again, and congrats on the contract.
Speaker 8 (50:05):
Appreciate it, Dan, Thank you for wearing that hoodie. Man,
I'm green, brighten up my day. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Well, this is Happy Gilmore too.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
This is what Adam so, okay, that's one of my
you know, I was helling my favorite actors. So that's
what's up.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
So that that's the Happy Gilmore golf swing right there,
that patch right there.
Speaker 8 (50:25):
Hey, if you can you do my favorite Yeah, if
you ever see him again, tell him I'm a really
big fan.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
I would really love to meet him one day.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Okay, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm going to
text him today and ask if he'll send a video please,
and then I'm going to send it.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
To the Ravens. Okay. Cool, I'm a huge fan. Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
And if you get to two thousand yards, I'll get
you in a Sandler movie.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
All right, Cool? Say no more? Is that all right?
Remember that? Now you remember this. Remember no.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
I'll take care of my end of it, okay. I
mean mine's easy, Yeah, yours is hard. You got to
get two thousand yards, no more. No pressure, that is all, no.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Pressure at all.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
All right, thank you, alright, see y'all.
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