April 7, 2025 • 49 mins
In this episode David Rutherford describes his journey down the rabbit hole and how he came to the realization that most of what he knew about the world was a lie. Then he and Buck Sexton explore the complexities of populism and nationalism in contemporary politics, particularly in Europe and the context of the Ukraine conflict. They discuss the challenges faced by populist leaders, the implications of nationalism versus globalism, and the role of NATO in current geopolitical tensions. The dialogue reflects on historical lessons from past wars and the importance of national identity in shaping future policies.
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00:24 - The World I Knew Was A Lie
19:24 - Buck Sexton On Ukraine, Nationalism & WWIII
44:40 - Final Thoughts
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up team Today, I'm going to address what I've
learned over the last thirty years and how I finally
come to the conclusion that pretty much most of it
is a lie. And then we're going to bring on
Buck Sexton of the Clay and Buck Show. He's going
to talk about how the European Union is on the
precipice of potentially getting everybody else into World War three.
(00:22):
This is the David Rutherford Show. When I was a kid,
one of my favorite books of all time was by
John Lewis Carroll was Alice in Wonderland. Now, before you
start going, wait a minute, how does a frogman love
Alice in Wonderland? I was a kid, right, and what
I loved about it was the animation idea. I love
(00:44):
the story of this you know, person who falls into
this great world and discovers all these crazy things about
you know, dancing cards and talking rapits and by personal favorite,
the Mad Hatter. Hell, I've got a mad Hatter tattoo
on my side right here, who's got holding an MP
(01:07):
five in a med bag? Because I used to want
to be the Mad Hatter in the teams, right, But
that just goes to show you how much I love
this classic fairy tale, this classic children's story, because of
what it means. It means the proverbial fall down the
rabbit hole. Now, every human being has those falls, right.
(01:30):
We have them when we're young, we have them when
we're old, but they always seem to happen. And what
I want to do is, we launched this show, right,
this new show. I want to tell you about my
journey down the rabbit hole. Obviously, so here I am.
I'm in my fourth year at college at Penn State University,
(01:51):
where I had gone to play lacrosse there and I'd
been kicked off the team. I was no longer on
the team. I was kind of isolated. I wasn't doing
well battle and depression. I was a mess. But thankfully,
like I you know, I was an art major with
a minor in poetry. Now listen, I know you're laughing
out there, because everybody does. But don't ever forget I
(02:13):
am a hippie who can kill you. Okay, So, as
I'm in my art history courses, I'm in my humanities courses,
the one thing that begins to happen is that I'm
reading all these incredible works by Nietzsche, Kamu. I'm reading
these great storytellers of all time, and what is taking
(02:33):
place is the recognition, the reinforcement of that thing that
influenced me as a kid with Alice in Wonderland. Is
really the need or the desire to go out on
my own quest. And that's what I chose to do.
So I dropped out of Penn State. I joined the
Navy to go be a Navy seal. Now get mind you,
(02:55):
I thought the rabbit hole was a lot more like
the cartoon than it actually was in this particular case,
And so very quickly did I find having my ass
handed to me was not the same as reading a
fairy tale, right, But the reality of it was is
I really started to begin to learn that my impression
(03:15):
of the world wasn't exactly what it should be, and
that the idea of the illusion of what it meant
to be an elite fighter or an elite commando man,
I had no idea how hard it was going to be.
And so that was really this the beginning of this,
this whole nursery rhyme getting torn apart from my consciousness.
(03:41):
Now fast forward where it jumped into hypers Hupper speed
was on my first combat, my first and only combat
deployment in the Seal Teams in the summer two thousand
and two to Afghanistan, when I quickly realized that fighting
wars isn't just that it's not going after the enemy
(04:02):
and man not Almost no other time in our history
of our nation did we so clearly know who the
enemy was. But as I'm over there, immediately we begin
to realize that politics play a role. And so I
remember going through all of the different ups and downs
emotionally of oh, you can go operate here, you can't
(04:25):
do this, or there's a there's the new loyal Jurga
and we need to support Karsay And I'm you know here,
I am and part of the E five mafia, and
I'm like, wait a minute, this doesn't make any sense.
Why we know where they are, we know where they
let us go do our jobs. But that wasn't the case,
and so that really triggered this accelerated descent into potentially
(04:50):
what might be the lies that we were forced to believe,
or the lies that we were convinced were real right
now down that rabbit hole, you know, I had got
out a little bit short after that about a year
after that, and you know, went to work for Blackwater
and and and again that's where this thing jumped into
light speed. And I began to realize, oh my god,
(05:12):
because my second deployment to Afghanistan a fall five. Here
I am working with the counter Afghan Encounter drug commandos
and I'm mentoring them on missions. And what we're doing
is we're running missions against fictitious people. Mind you Like,
I'm like, wait a minute, I'm working with DEA fast
teams and they're squared away. But I'm like, I'm like,
wait a minute, does this Does this make sense to anybody?
(05:34):
Like we're doing these big ops and there's nobody here.
I mean there's nobody even in the compounds we're rating.
And again that light bulb is like flicker and even
more Well, after I left them, you know, I started
my company, Frog Logic Concepts, and my initial quest was
to work with kids, to try and lift kids up
and give give kids, uh, give kids this whole idea
(06:00):
of self confidence. Right, what's gonna lift them up? To
get them in the fight and to be able to
confront that negative insurgency of their life. Well, as soon
as you start to get into how underattack our children
are with you know, obesity, with poor school performance, with
with the wrong role models. I mean, that was another
(06:21):
shocking reality myself. I'm like, wait a minute, where did
all the kids role models go out there? Where did
all the young men role models go? Like? Where are
the where are the dudes that they're supposed to look
up to? Like like I did as a kid. Man.
I'll tell you what, John Wayne Man, that dude was
a god in my house, right, I mean, holy cow,
you have Rambo, you have you have a commando, you
(06:44):
have die hard man. These were the things that lifted
me up every day to want to become a courageous man.
Right Well after after the economy collapsed, you know, I said,
all right, I gotta I gotta get I gotta get
to get going in a whole nother way. And thankfully
I had some people reach out recruited me to go
(07:05):
work for the Central Intelligence Agency, And so for two
years I trained case officers had a better integrate with
Jaysaki units downrange because the first time since Vietnam they
were really co located on the same Ford operating basis.
And then so for two years I did that and
then for two years I deployed with case officers and
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helping them manage their operations from a security and tactical perspective.
If you saw the movie Thirteen Hours, that's what I did.
In fact, you know, after a year in Afghanistan, a
year in Pakistan, my next news station was going to
be Libya. Fortunately for me, it didn't turn out that way.
But unfortunately for my friends Ty Woods and Glen Doherty
and some other of my folks, Oz and some of
(07:47):
the other guys that were there, and Tanto and Boone
and everybody. Man. You know, that was the one of
the worst days of my life. And that was also
a massive wake up call for me. Wait what wait,
what are you telling me? There were Americans in distress
saving other Americans lives and nobody went to support them. Now,
(08:09):
that was a big one. That was a huge one,
and so I but I just capped my head down.
I was like, now, this is a one off. This
isn't what it is. And I started, you know, speaking
professionally at that time and really enjoyed this beautiful career
of being a motivational speaker. You know, a lot in
the financial services industry, but I worked with all these
different fortune five hundred companies, uh from you know, Coca Cola,
(08:33):
a Comcast, Cable to Revlon, you name it. I've worked
with them. But I've also worked with the largest family
owned pig farmers out there too. So I don't care, man,
I just want to help people improve on performance and
motive and motivate them. Right. That's that's what's kind of
what drives me in life. And then something else happened. Now,
luckily I had reached this really beautiful spot I was
(08:57):
at the time, I was on this great podcast with
you know, I'd started my first podcast called Navy Seal
Radio in twenty thirteen, and then a friend of mine,
a good friend of mine, Marcus Latrell, asked me to
join him on a podcast. We called it the Team
Never Quit Podcast along with the Wizard and everybody hopefully
remembers a wizard. Man, I love you, Wizard if you're
(09:18):
out there, and we delivered this really positive content of
people telling their greatest never quit stories. And again I
was like, man, I was reinvigorated. We were doing well.
America seemed like it was on good stand with good ground.
We were positive with these stories, and you know, even
in twenty eighteen, which was one of my best years
(09:38):
I've ever had in my life. Right, I met my
new wife, I won a world series with the Boston
Red Sox. Man, I was writing this absolute tsunami of positivity, right.
I was kicking the shit out of the negative insurgency
at that time. And then t one thousand, eighteen nineteen,
(10:03):
you know, Trump's attacks began to come out, the story
behind it and what Russia Gate was really about, and
these unjust fabricated allegations of him being a Russian asset.
I'm like, wait a minute, that doesn't I mean, are
you serious? This guy was the most beloved human being
in the country. I mean, look at all the freakin
(10:24):
rap songs that were at were praising Trump, and now
all of a sudden, he's a racist. Now, all of
a sudden, he's a bigot. Now, all of a sudden,
he's a direct threat to national security. I was like,
this ain't right, man, something it doesn't feel right. And
I bet if you're like me, you had that spidey
sense tingling as well too. Well guess what now? I
(10:46):
was about really ready to really fall down to the depths.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
The Dante's ninth Gate of the rabbit Holes of rabbit holes,
and then COVID hit. And when COVID hit, the whole
world changed in that moment. And I really believe that's
when the lies, the veil of those lies, came crashing
down around those who have been perpetrating them to us
(11:12):
for a long long time. Right, you're gonna kill grandma.
Don't go outside, Right, you gotta wear a mask six
feet thisn't we know? All made up? And everybody out
there was like, this doesn't make sense. And then that
emerged that summer, all these riots in the streets. Oh
you can't go outside, but you can burn down a city. Now,
(11:34):
now we're starting to hit what is really I mean,
in all conscious terms, is basically a modern Marxist revolution
taking place. And that's when I started to really wake
up in ways I never thought I would before. Because
that summer my business had collapsed. I had lost a
(11:56):
ton of speaking work. I was supposed to work with
the Minnesota Twins. That that collapsed, and all this other
great stuff. Thankfully, I pivoted online. We were starting an
online training company, and then about a month and a
half before the elections, they canceled me that's right, they
canceled rut the hand grenade of positivity. I'd never been
(12:18):
political my whole life. Ever, I'd never talked trash about people.
I'd never called out injustice. All I cared about was
making sure that you were motivated every day, to make
sure that you understood that no matter how hard you
got kicked in the teeth, there was something to anchor
your heart to. There was something that was going to
(12:41):
save you. But guess what when I was canceled unjustly,
that about destroyed me. Right, I got locked out. I
lost access to about one hundred and fifty thousand people,
and after three hundred plus attempts to figure this out,
nobody responded. Ever, Now, you know, fifteen years of content
(13:03):
creation all of a sudden switched off, lights off, no explanation,
And meanwhile, I'm feeling this whole feeling that the world
is changing, something's that can place, and that solidified it. Now.
Fortunately for me, I had some really amazing, good, solid
teammates in my life that got behind me, lift me
(13:23):
out of my my whole you know, Richie and Sean
and Mark p and jeez, there's this whole slew of
people that just leaned in and really like pulled me
out of the abyss I was in because I was like,
how can this be real? And one of them, my
(13:44):
friend Paul, He's the one who said, hey, man, you know,
come to work with me. I think you'll love this company.
You know, very hard work and very dialed in conservative group.
And I went to work and he saved my life,
He saved my family, saved my career, and I got
back on my feet. Now It's taken me a while
to get there. And in all that time, what else
(14:06):
did we see? We saw. We saw craziness take place
with COVID shots. We saw the insanity of the attacks
on Trump, with the with the judicial system, the waging
war against him trying to and we saw him try
to assassinate the guy twice. Right. Meanwhile, you're telling me
that I'm a domestic terrorist. You're telling me my views
(14:29):
as a Christian, I'm a white nationalist, Christian supremacist. Man,
to hell with you, that's all bogus, that's not true.
I know what I believe in, I know who I
believe in, and I know that I'm a good person. Right,
but all that didn't change the fact of what I
was seeing. And so now where I'm at as we
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you know, out of the blue, and don't even don't
even get me started on the afghan and withdrawal, because
was that was like a dagger in my heart. I
never had the opportunity to go serve in Iraq with
all the incredible human beings that served and died over there,
a lot of my friends. But I was in Afghanistan
(15:14):
quite a few times. And when we pulled out of there,
it was proof positive that the people in charge who
made that decision, they don't give a damn about me,
and most importantly, they didn't give a damn about my
dead friends. And that was it. That was the last
straw that broke my back, and it broke a lot
of the rest of us from the g WAT as
(15:35):
well too. But here's what I'm going to tell you.
We're not going to get out there and lay down.
We're not going to get out there and bitch and moan.
We're gonna get out there. We're gonna raise cane, but
in a positive way. And so you know, as I
sit there and I you know, my frog Logic podcasts
had been going, but it was struggling. It was struggling
to get it done and get it up and running again.
(15:56):
And and so I just was I had this defeat.
But I knew inside me, man, that God was going
to serve me up. He was going to deliver me
something special. He was going to deliver me an opportunity
of a lifetime. And you know what, about a month
and a half ago that happened. My friend Buck Sexton
reached out to me on a phone call one Tuesday
(16:18):
I'll never forget, and he said, Hey, what's up, buddy?
And I'm like, Buck, my man, what's up? When we
go and shooting again, dude, because I love, you know,
shooting with him and his brothers. And he said, hey,
I got a question for you. And I was like,
what's up? Buck? He goes, do you have any interest
in getting behind the microphone again? And there you have it.
(16:41):
That's at the bottom of the rabbit hole. That's at
the bottom where you come to a conclusion, you come
to a realization, you receive the blessings of something that's
bigger than you, and opportunity presents itself to you. And
so Buck said, hey, man, as long as you can
convince Julie, you know the the CEO of Premier Networks
(17:04):
at iHeartRadio that you're you're in, all in on this, man,
I think you're good to go. We had that call.
Next thing I needed to do was find someone that
was going to be able to help me do this,
and man, I found the greatest person on the planet
that could possibly ever ever be able to help me
(17:24):
climb back out of that rabbit hole so that I
could get back on a microphone and start delivering those
flashbangs of truth. I found my friend Jordy, and so Jordie,
I want to introduce you to everybody out there too, buddy,
ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages.
I want to introduce you to mister Jeordi long Man.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Hey, everybody, it's an extreme honor to be here, and
I just am so excited to work with David and
figure out how to make just the best show possible
for everyone. We all the things that you were saying,
We need to talk about these things. We need to
give those flash bangs of truth like you were saying
(18:07):
to the world, and I'm just excited to be a
part of it and get this going.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Man awesome. So our mission for you is we are
going to try and consolidate and contextualize this tsunami of
information that you're trying to deal with every every day
across across all social media, across everywhere you find news,
you find content wherever. Our job is to consolidate that,
(18:31):
contextualize it, apply some common sense with some critical thinking
in order for you to have the tools that you need,
that you need to invoke that courage inside you so
that you can join the fight against that negative insurgency,
so that you too can start throwing those flash bangs
(18:52):
the truth. All right, my man, what do you think?
I think that's enough preaching on my soapbox. Brother. I
think we need to do now, is uh. You know
we obviously the first thing of all we gotta do
is we got to bring Buck Sexton on, uh so
he can we can thank him properly and we can
talk about some uh some serious things going on in
(19:15):
Europe right now. What do you think, JORDI, Yeah, let's
do it.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Let's bring him on.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Who. Yeah, when you start something new, you know, you
have those little bit of butterflies that kind of spin
over and over and over and around and but but
in my case, man, those butterflies it is one of
the most powerful feelings I've ever had in my entire life.
(19:40):
And the reason those feelings are as good as they
are is because of my good friend Buck Sexton. And
so you know the the the only reason I'm sitting
here right now in front of all you and coming
to you with my new show is because of this man,
Buck Sext, and so Buck Man, I just want to
come out of the gate and just say, from the
(20:01):
bottom of my heart and Jona's hart and Jordy's heart,
thank you so much for this opportunity.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Brother oh man, it is my honor to both be
your friend and to get to work with you now
on this project and see how this is going to
take off, and just you know, when when this podcast
is super big time, just don't don't forget who your
friends were in the early day.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Okay, that's that's my only request, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Like, hopefully he'll still in a year, he's still going
to be returning my text when I'm like, can we
go shooting?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
So that's my plan.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Well, you know what my weak spot is, it's to
go shooting, right, But unfortunately with four daughters and soccer lacrosse.
Sometimes I have to bail on you, which I'm sorry,
but we I owe you one soon.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
For for real anytime.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Awesome. Well, listen, I you know, one of the things
that I think is what I love so much about
you and and Clay and you just you're able to
give such a great overview of bigger topics. You're able
to consolidate a bunch of ideas down and condense them
in a way where the audience really understands, you know,
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the power of of the information and how to how
to understand in a better way. And so one of
the big things that's really just I think on my mind,
I know it's on the mind of everybody else that's
out there, is really what's been going on in Europe
right now? I think, you know, we see all these
populous leaders out there that are essentially what in my mind,
(21:31):
they seem like they're they're under attack from all different formats,
whether it was bulscenario down in in in Brazil and
then now we saw just this past week Le penn
has been indicted. What's your take on why this is
taking place? Just from where where do you think that
why is I guess they or them or whatever they are, right,
(21:54):
why are they so afraid of populous leaders?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, it's fascinating because you would think that in democracy populism,
right demos from the ancient Greek you know, the people,
right of the people, and you think, hold on a.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Second, if a movement is popular, then it should do
well in a democracy.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And if a movement is trying to be rooted in
really a majoritarian view of what's best for a society.
Isn't that what a democracy is supposed to capture within
the within the guidelines of you know, voting under certain
situations at certain times, and right, there's always rules.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
It's never just like whatever the mob wants in the moment.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
But if democracy is allergic to populism, we need to
ask why. And in the Western world that certainly, which
is really where we have the most of the of
the functional democracies are in our case or republic, that
seems to be the case. I mean, I actually have.
I'm trying to see if I can pull up the
full list, because think.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
About this date.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You have to remind yourself of how many places this
has been going on, how many places there have.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Been efforts to ban these parts.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Okay, here you go, So three NATO nations this month alone,
have this month, right, and we're not talking about last decade.
This we have banned either the chief opposition party or
the chief opposition leader, or a combination of the two.
Romania has banned its opposition leader. Brazil you mentioned Balsonaro.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
France.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
That was a big one because you know that's you know,
these we think of countries like we kind of ranked
them in a hierarchy of importance, at least to us
in terms of poor relations.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
France a big deal.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Moldova not as big a deal, but they banned their
opposition party.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Turkey has banned their opposition party.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Now, Turkey has always interesting side note, really one of
the original deep states. I think it was called the
Darren Devlett in Turkish or whatever, that's the transliteration. It's
a real thing in Turkey, right, the Turkish military and
the Turkish you know, military industrial complex can just step
in and be like, yeah, no, we don't like what's
going on here. We're going to get whoever there have
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been so many coups in Turkey of the laste hundred years,
you get him to be track of it.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
And then of course.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
America we tried to where they tried to ban Trump,
oh and Germany where they.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
That's right, that's right. And we've even seen him go
after the Prime Minister in Italy too recently and to
the fact where she actually, i think just last week,
came out and said, listen, we're going to side with America.
We we that's where we want to be. And and
you know, for me, when you see this list and
it just keeps it keeps going, it makes me start
(24:34):
to try and understand what's at stake here.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Well, you know, think about this, right, the notion of nationalism.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Has somehow gotten a negative connotation for a long time.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Right to say that you're a nationalist, and really.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
What we've grown up in, Dave, you know, your generation,
our generation is a world in which the ruling elites
have made this pitch to all of us, and not
even really a pitch. I've sort of demanded an obedience
a fewman to an idea. Yeah, demanded and forced it
on us is a much better way of putting it.
That you're not allowed to think about your nation as
(25:17):
something that is more than just an economic zone and
some series of treaties with other countries that you never
really get to weigh in on or understand.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Basically, just like shut up.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
The adults are in charge, and the adults go to Davos,
and the adults go to the UN and they do
this stuff right, and you should never ask hold on
if I have obligations to the state, and if I
have a connection to my people, whether it's Americans in
our case, or Brazilians or the French, right, I mean
the Irish, the Irish? What does that mean in the
(25:50):
context of how I want my leadership to function, not
in this collectivist, in concert whatever all.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Of us together or decide right.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And so that that I think is a big part
of this is just the awakening that why should being
a you know, we could say patriotism right, right, How
is patriotism as an American different from nationalism? Like to
be a patriot as an American means you love. I mean,
you know, you were in combat zones, right, like you
picked up guns and said I will die if need
(26:24):
be for my country.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Well, you would have felt very differently, I think if
it was I will die if need be.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Because some EU bureaucrats in Brussels say that it would
be worthwhile for me to be engaged in like you know, the.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Most in Ukraine, right, or I'm sitting there going to
church with my family and a little mini van walks
up with a bunch of dudes in multicam. Right. They
come in, yake me out and stuck me in that van.
Next thing I know, I'm in the drenches three weeks later,
after getting trained by a bunch of you know, French
soldiers or euse or British soldiers now out of Poland,
(26:59):
and and it's it's it's almost and to go back
to what you were chatting about in terms of that
collective oppression, right, if we can, we're in charge, we're
forcing the hand. You guys just recognize that this is
we're we're a melting pot, that whole idea. We're gonna,
we're gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna generate a new patriotism,
(27:20):
a new loyalty that's to the greater sovereignty of a
European Union, right uh, an American Union, right, uh, an
African Union. And I think what's really got me and
what really scared me in the last you know, two weeks,
really was watching you know, Marcone and Starmer come out
(27:42):
and and and really help Zelenski, who, by the way,
has shut down all opposition. Barty hasn't had an election.
The whole deal we know that, but has now now
they're coming into sabotage or torpedo, you know, the the
negotiations going on with with Rubio in the State Department,
because there's saying, no, we're ready to put some boots
on the ground. Do you believe is that an idle
(28:04):
thread or do you think there's any validation to those
what they're suggesting they're going to do.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I wouldn't say it's idle. I would say it's improbable.
But they've realized that that's the position that they have
to publicly take because people, I mean, I've been saying
this very openly on radio and just saying this for
a long time. And first of all, when this whole
war broke out, and I'm meaning in the very first
days and the Russian advance, you know, stall they didn't
take Kiev or Kiev whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
I remember saying.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I was like, people are going to underestimate the Russian military,
the Russian industrial complex, and.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
The will of both Putin and those.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Who support him, which is far more substantial inside of
Russia than what.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
You're led to believe in the West.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Putin's popularity is far higher than anybody who just reads
the New York Times would think. And I know they
say he's a dictator and he doesn't have real election
and everything else.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
People like him.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
A lot of Russians actually like him and support him
and think that he stands up for Russian interest, That
he is a Russian nationalist. Now isn't interesting even me
just saying that, because the way they try to the
way our own media and honestly, not just Democrats, a
lot of Republicans try to frame this issue, it's you're
a Putin apologist, you know. I'm just describing the same
way if I was an agency analyst, and I was,
(29:15):
you know, back in the day at the CIA, right,
and if I was writing up an assessment of this,
I'd be like, we can think whatever we want about Putin.
What's the truth of his support inside his own country?
And people who were saying he was going to be ousted,
his economy was going to be in tatters, the ruble
was going to be destroyed.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Delusional.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
None of that has happened, Okay, I mean none of them,
None of it and that's.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
What we were told in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
So the people who knew so much were wrong about everything.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
This war has been grinding on.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's effectively, as you and I know, trench warfare, I
mean literally in trenches.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
But they've got drones and there's been a.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Little sprinkling of modern technology that that makes it scary
as hell, right.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Right, I mean they've got they've got drones that are
flying in and blowing people up and dropping grenades on
them and obviously use a lot for just surveillance too,
for the spotting. Right, So now to do the spotting
for the old school artillery like World War one, World
War two style artillery.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I mean, I know it's more advanced now.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
But the I mean the basic ballistics, it's you know,
fire a big shell that goes boom.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
But they can do the spotting and.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
The assessing of of what the targets are using drones
and satellites and sophisticated technology. So but you're in the
same place, which is okay, we're in a war of
attrition effectively along a front with more advanced technology, but
the actual battlefield lines look very similar to what they
would have in different parts of of the you know,
the First World War where we think of trench warfare
(30:36):
as originating actually originated in the Boer Wars. You and
I know it's a whole other thing in South Africa,
but uh, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Can't let me just go.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I want to step in on that a little bit
because one of the interesting things that for me is
as as now, I I don't know, I think ever
since I've seen this this shift or this focus, this
attack on this these nationalistic movements, right, I started saying, okay, well,
where have we seen this before? And if you do
(31:06):
go back and you start to think about the lead
up to World War One, right the lead up to
World War Two, there's there's some there's some similarities right
where out of these collective calamities, right these you know,
what is it, fourteen fifteen million people annihilated World War One,
and this this horrific entrenchment of just you know, supposed
(31:30):
superpowers and they're jockeying for position, you know, economically within
the structure of Europe and the emergence of all these
new industrial countries. And then you all of a sudden,
you know, you see the same thing start to take
place before World War two, where you start to see
this nationalism emerge, in particular as nationalism in Germany. Some nationalism, obviously,
(31:55):
a new nationalism emerged out of Russia right when they
got rid of the Czars, to to the tune of
Stalin and his crew. So I think, like you were,
what you were alluding to before, is the idea of
nationalism is if it's spun in the right way, in
the right context through propaganda, it actually becomes the enemy
(32:17):
that you need to generate this kind of nefarious advancement
of this Ukrainian Russian conflict. Do you think there's something
Are there similarities that you're seeing there too? Well?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I think that there's certainly been a tremendous focus on
suddenly on Ukrainian nationalism and Ukraine's borders at a time
when other countries bored. Right, it's like we pick and
choose some countries are allowed to be nationalistic and others
are not. And it's not and you go, We'll hold
on a second. Either this can be virtuous across the
(32:51):
board for all nation states, or we're just not applying
any sound principles in the case of Ukraine. Like you
can see all these Americans generally Democrats, not all. There's
some Republicans too with Ukrainian flags. I mean, these people
couldn't find Ukraine on a map a couple of years ago,
and probably some of them still couldn't if you just
erased all the names. And yet they are Slava Ukraine
and they think that this is the most important battle
(33:14):
that the world is facing right now. And this is
going on at a time when the interest in our
own southern border and the dissolution, the effective dissolution of
border controls in a lot of EU countries. Certainly here
in the United States we had ten million plus illegals
in a four year span under Biden. So on the
one hand, the borders of Ukraine are inviolate, and the
(33:38):
notion that they should give up any territory they've already
given up Crimea. I mean, this has already been happening,
right The notion that they should give up any land
whatsoever is somehow a slap in the face to us,
never mind to Ukraine, like we're supposed to be so
outraged by this notion. Meanwhile, we have millions of people
coming into our country illegally who are a drain on
resources and a huge social and political challenge for the future.
(34:01):
And the same people, right, and the same people who
care so much about Ukraine, they care a lot more
about Ukraine's borders and they care about US borders.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
And and people could say.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh, well, you know, we can walk in cho gum
and those are different things. No, because when you're talking
about nation state interests and nationalism, right, it's just the
fact you talk about.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Nationalism, people go, oh, what is that.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I mean, there's there's a book by I think it's
Urama Hoozoni the Virtue of nationalism that goes into how
states the same way that people taking care of them
like like you know this Dave, right, Like if you're
a hit and there are other people who are hit,
like you've got to stop your bleed first, right, I mean,
you're not helping anybody. I mean David's canceal. You know,
(34:42):
you got to look to number one before you can
be that you know, overwatch that assistance, that that life
saver to those around you. And I think that, you know,
put simply like America needs a lot more me time
and a lot less And this is why also the
USA i D defunding that's gone on has been.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
So popular broadly, especially the Trump movement.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I think more generally, it's like, why are we funding
this stuff all over the place?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
People say, oh, but what about this thing there?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
There?
Speaker 4 (35:09):
So a hold on a second.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
We have a lot of needs in this country and
we're not the country is not supposed to be run.
Our treasury is not a global welfare program. And even
if that's a small contingent of it, I think there's
enough people who see that as first of all, you know,
we got thirty six trillion dollars in debt. I mean
that's madness. But beyond that, like where's the stop and start?
(35:30):
And just one other thing to Dave, I think you're
asking about the nationalism component of this. I think that
and these leaders we are being banned one issue, the
borders issue, actually matters a whole lot, because what unites
a lot of these parties, especially in the europe and
an American context, is hold on a second. We are
a people, We are not an economic zone, and we
(35:52):
can't just have unrestricted non you know, non US whatever
that means, like people from all the countries coming in
here in huge numbers, and.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
I think that they're the.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Slow eradication of sovereignty for European countries and for America
is a huge part of the backlash against the the
elites that have been pushing this non nationalism, Oh we're
all collective is ideology. And I think that there's a
concern among them too that people are angry about this,
and the more they learn about it, the angrier they get,
because now they're seeing the results of mass migration to Sweden,
(36:29):
mass migration to Germany, mass illegal migration in the United
States not good. These are not good things, and the
people in charge promise es they'd be amazing.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
All right, Buck, Just to wrap it up, well, you
just I got to hear your thoughts on the idea.
The idea that really I think for me and you
and people who are paying attention to this is the
NATO question. So if you get an opportunity to sit
in a room with Rubio and JD and the President,
(36:57):
you know, what do you tell them, like, what options
do we have? What is the kind of the go
no go criteria where we simply say, all right, that's it,
we're done. We're not doing that, We're not staying in NATO.
You put boots on the you know, Marcone puts boots
on the ground. Brits put boots on the ground, which
is kind of funny, But no offense Brits because I
(37:19):
fought with you. Some of you guys are super hard,
but probably has been a little while. But what do
you tell them that say, hey, we cannot go past
this and continue to lead down the potentiality of a
World War three? What are your thoughts you share with them?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Well, I have a lot of faith in this current team,
I'll tell you. And so I've been in the position
before where I feel like i'm you know, I consider
myself like a coach. Maybe I'm up in the stands
watch for the game, but coaching the Trump administration.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
And I got a lot of.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Thoughts to make things go better with this national security
team and with how they're approaching things so far, I'm
doing a lot more clapping than I am criticizing. And
that's just the truth. I mean, I align with them
on this stuff. And some of these other folks, I mean,
I'm not even sure if Bridge Colby's gotten through yet
a DoD I've known Bridge for twenty years. The guy's
absolutely brilliant. Pete HEGGSAZ has been a friend for fifteen years.
(38:11):
He is dialed in Sean Parnell, a great friend, dialed
in at d D.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Joe Ken. Joe Kent's my favorite.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Who is Oh Joe Kent?
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yes, Joe Can.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I mean, you know you've got you've got smart guys,
war fighters, people that see it, you know, see it
through realistic eyes. So on the on the NATO piece,
I would just say, one, Trump getting NATO to commit
to more spending and prepare themselves.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
You know it shouldn't be. Oh.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
The only reason that that, you know, Germany's not going
to get invaded by Russia or Poland's not gonna get it,
you know, whatever, is because America is going to land
like eighty second.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Airborne and you know, we're going to kick their asses
or something.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
They should be able to put up a substantial fight
themselves such that it's unthinkable that we would have the
kind of tumult, if you will, in Europe that we
saw in the twentieth century.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Right, So if we're.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Going to be in NATO, and I know there are
people that even have questions about whether that's worthwhile, we
should also be honest. I mean, NATO is an anti
Russia alliance. I mean, I remember when I was in Afghanistan.
It was a NATO mission and everybody there as you remember, people.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Remember the Saff everybody, Yeah, I bet we all wore
the eye Saff bad.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
No one even really unless you were there. People don't
even pay attention to this. It was a NATO mission
in Afghanistan, which is like what and NATO is kind
of a almost a proto Ulan or something.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
It makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
This is to stop Russia from you know, beating up
on and invading NATO members. Ukraine is not a NATO member,
and so I think that you know, the the Article
five of NATO, which is what would require the mutual
mutual defense.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
You know, I think that as long as.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
America is truly and as long as America is in
treaties where they say, if this happens.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
We will do you know, we will do the following,
we do have to honor that.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I think that that's important, But I don't think that
we have to honor it forever, indefinitely without looking at
what are we really getting getting out of this. So
you know, the line in the sand is Article five.
It is the joint defense component of the treaties. You know,
treaties that we're involved in with NATO. But I also
think it's very clear. I mean, you know you know
this better than most, Dave. The lesson of twenty years
(40:23):
of war in the Middle East and South Asia is
you don't just send your guys and gals to fight
because you're fighting, and then you don't want to stop
the fighting because what we're you're fighting for and you know,
and that's where that's where people Ukraine is we see
that lesson through the lens of Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
I think in a very profound way.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Well, my whole thing is just to tie it up,
is you know, I mean I've got a lot of
dead friends, and you know now it's me looking at
their children in the face and saying, hey, you know,
your dad died for this very honorable thing, which was
you know, a twenty year war in Iraq which didn't
(41:06):
get us anywhere, or a twenty year war in Afghanistan
which now we're actually paying the taleband forty million dollars
a week. You know, I just and you look at
the numbers now and you look at I mean, what
anything from uh, you know, a million to a million
five from both Ukraine in Russia I just don't. I
(41:28):
don't see the American young men out there rogering up
and wanting to go to war to defend something that
quite frankly, you know, maybe shouldn't be defended in the
first place, on our on our Let somebody else take
the charge. And I'm and I'm not in isolations by
any strike. I do believe we need to project power
(41:50):
in order to maintain that that you know, uh, the
economic power and might that we are. But man, I
definitely don't want to see. You know, it's crazy. Is
there's this massive You've been following us too, I've been
watching you post about it, this massive increase in people
signing up for the military, and and I think it
(42:10):
has to do with Pete, right, and it has to
do with this change and this pride and the president
and come back, Yeah, I want to go serve. But
here's the thing, man, is is if you do this again, uh,
you know, it's gonna be it's gonna be a challenge
to get young men out there to roger up to
go die for some senseless war that fundamentally, as Americans
(42:32):
we don't support.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
But well, I think for a lot of people, what
we see in Ukraine and what the Trump and with
the Trump view of it and the you know everybody
who's voted for Trump is we learned a very painful
lesson as a country. Let's actually let's actually learn that
lesson and be and be clear on that, right. And
that's why when you brought up you know, Starmer in
the UK and these guys who are they're not sending
(42:55):
troops to go muzzle to muzzle with Russians, But they
have to say that because if they won't say that,
then it's very clear that our side that's saying, what's
the game plan here, guys, has the better end of
the argument, which is they have no game plan. The
game plan and game plan is status quo people getting
chewed off on both sides and dying when we all
know that eventually it's just going to come down to
(43:16):
where are the lines on the map drawn and who
gets control of what and then we all go back
to living our lives.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
So that's that's where.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
That's at one hundred percent. And I and I do
have a theory about immigration in the future of those
wars and those battle lies, but let's talk about that another.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Time, brother, anytime.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Man.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Sorry that looks like I'm like a botanist here, but
you know, this is my makeshift studio.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
So you know it's really very Miami. It's very Miami.
Behind me though, I.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Thought you were going to get on with some Lulu
Lemon or your a little uh, your little this is
this is Lulu.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
I live in the Lulu, don't dude.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Of course, dude, I love it. God bless you, brother,
well Buck, thank you so much for for being our
first guest and all so, I can't tell you how
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(44:12):
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Speaker 4 (44:15):
God bless man.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
You're a dear friend, and I'm proud of you for
stepping in here and starting a great, a great program.
And I know you're just going to do so well
with some of the people that are familiar with Claim Buck,
and you're going to build it out way beyond too,
so everybody wins. So thank you so much for answering
the call.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Awesome, God bless you, buddy. Take care.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Well.
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What's up team Today, I'm going to address what I've
learned over the last thirty years and how I finally
come to the conclusion that pretty much most of it
is a lie. And then we're going to bring on
Buck Sexton of the Clay and Buck Show. He's going
to talk about how the European Union is on the
precipice of potentially getting everybody else into World War three.
(00:22):
This is the David Rutherford Show. When I was a kid,
one of my favorite books of all time was by
John Lewis Carroll was Alice in Wonderland. Now, before you
start going, wait a minute, how does a frogman love
Alice in Wonderland? I was a kid, right, and what
I loved about it was the animation idea. I love
(00:44):
the story of this you know, person who falls into
this great world and discovers all these crazy things about
you know, dancing cards and talking rapits and by personal favorite,
the Mad Hatter. Hell, I've got a mad Hatter tattoo
on my side right here, who's got holding an MP
(01:07):
five in a med bag? Because I used to want
to be the Mad Hatter in the teams, right, But
that just goes to show you how much I love
this classic fairy tale, this classic children's story, because of
what it means. It means the proverbial fall down the
rabbit hole. Now, every human being has those falls, right.
(01:30):
We have them when we're young, we have them when
we're old, but they always seem to happen. And what
I want to do is, we launched this show, right,
this new show. I want to tell you about my
journey down the rabbit hole. Obviously, so here I am.
I'm in my fourth year at college at Penn State University,
(01:51):
where I had gone to play lacrosse there and I'd
been kicked off the team. I was no longer on
the team. I was kind of isolated. I wasn't doing
well battle and depression. I was a mess. But thankfully,
like I you know, I was an art major with
a minor in poetry. Now listen, I know you're laughing
out there, because everybody does. But don't ever forget I
(02:13):
am a hippie who can kill you. Okay, So, as
I'm in my art history courses, I'm in my humanities courses,
the one thing that begins to happen is that I'm
reading all these incredible works by Nietzsche, Kamu. I'm reading
these great storytellers of all time, and what is taking
(02:33):
place is the recognition, the reinforcement of that thing that
influenced me as a kid with Alice in Wonderland. Is
really the need or the desire to go out on
my own quest. And that's what I chose to do.
So I dropped out of Penn State. I joined the
Navy to go be a Navy seal. Now get mind you,
(02:55):
I thought the rabbit hole was a lot more like
the cartoon than it actually was in this particular case,
And so very quickly did I find having my ass
handed to me was not the same as reading a
fairy tale, right, But the reality of it was is
I really started to begin to learn that my impression
(03:15):
of the world wasn't exactly what it should be, and
that the idea of the illusion of what it meant
to be an elite fighter or an elite commando man,
I had no idea how hard it was going to be.
And so that was really this the beginning of this,
this whole nursery rhyme getting torn apart from my consciousness.
(03:41):
Now fast forward where it jumped into hypers Hupper speed
was on my first combat, my first and only combat
deployment in the Seal Teams in the summer two thousand
and two to Afghanistan, when I quickly realized that fighting
wars isn't just that it's not going after the enemy
(04:02):
and man not Almost no other time in our history
of our nation did we so clearly know who the
enemy was. But as I'm over there, immediately we begin
to realize that politics play a role. And so I
remember going through all of the different ups and downs
emotionally of oh, you can go operate here, you can't
(04:25):
do this, or there's a there's the new loyal Jurga
and we need to support Karsay And I'm you know here,
I am and part of the E five mafia, and
I'm like, wait a minute, this doesn't make any sense.
Why we know where they are, we know where they
let us go do our jobs. But that wasn't the case,
and so that really triggered this accelerated descent into potentially
(04:50):
what might be the lies that we were forced to believe,
or the lies that we were convinced were real right
now down that rabbit hole, you know, I had got
out a little bit short after that about a year
after that, and you know, went to work for Blackwater
and and and again that's where this thing jumped into
light speed. And I began to realize, oh my god,
(05:12):
because my second deployment to Afghanistan a fall five. Here
I am working with the counter Afghan Encounter drug commandos
and I'm mentoring them on missions. And what we're doing
is we're running missions against fictitious people. Mind you Like,
I'm like, wait a minute, I'm working with DEA fast
teams and they're squared away. But I'm like, I'm like,
wait a minute, does this Does this make sense to anybody?
(05:34):
Like we're doing these big ops and there's nobody here.
I mean there's nobody even in the compounds we're rating.
And again that light bulb is like flicker and even
more Well, after I left them, you know, I started
my company, Frog Logic Concepts, and my initial quest was
to work with kids, to try and lift kids up
and give give kids, uh, give kids this whole idea
(06:00):
of self confidence. Right, what's gonna lift them up? To
get them in the fight and to be able to
confront that negative insurgency of their life. Well, as soon
as you start to get into how underattack our children
are with you know, obesity, with poor school performance, with
with the wrong role models. I mean, that was another
(06:21):
shocking reality myself. I'm like, wait a minute, where did
all the kids role models go out there? Where did
all the young men role models go? Like? Where are
the where are the dudes that they're supposed to look
up to? Like like I did as a kid. Man.
I'll tell you what, John Wayne Man, that dude was
a god in my house, right, I mean, holy cow,
you have Rambo, you have you have a commando, you
(06:44):
have die hard man. These were the things that lifted
me up every day to want to become a courageous man.
Right Well after after the economy collapsed, you know, I said,
all right, I gotta I gotta get I gotta get
to get going in a whole nother way. And thankfully
I had some people reach out recruited me to go
(07:05):
work for the Central Intelligence Agency, And so for two
years I trained case officers had a better integrate with
Jaysaki units downrange because the first time since Vietnam they
were really co located on the same Ford operating basis.
And then so for two years I did that and
then for two years I deployed with case officers and
(07:26):
helping them manage their operations from a security and tactical perspective.
If you saw the movie Thirteen Hours, that's what I did.
In fact, you know, after a year in Afghanistan, a
year in Pakistan, my next news station was going to
be Libya. Fortunately for me, it didn't turn out that way.
But unfortunately for my friends Ty Woods and Glen Doherty
and some other of my folks, Oz and some of
(07:47):
the other guys that were there, and Tanto and Boone
and everybody. Man. You know, that was the one of
the worst days of my life. And that was also
a massive wake up call for me. Wait what wait,
what are you telling me? There were Americans in distress
saving other Americans lives and nobody went to support them. Now,
(08:09):
that was a big one. That was a huge one,
and so I but I just capped my head down.
I was like, now, this is a one off. This
isn't what it is. And I started, you know, speaking
professionally at that time and really enjoyed this beautiful career
of being a motivational speaker. You know, a lot in
the financial services industry, but I worked with all these
different fortune five hundred companies, uh from you know, Coca Cola,
(08:33):
a Comcast, Cable to Revlon, you name it. I've worked
with them. But I've also worked with the largest family
owned pig farmers out there too. So I don't care, man,
I just want to help people improve on performance and
motive and motivate them. Right. That's that's what's kind of
what drives me in life. And then something else happened. Now,
luckily I had reached this really beautiful spot I was
(08:57):
at the time, I was on this great podcast with
you know, I'd started my first podcast called Navy Seal
Radio in twenty thirteen, and then a friend of mine,
a good friend of mine, Marcus Latrell, asked me to
join him on a podcast. We called it the Team
Never Quit Podcast along with the Wizard and everybody hopefully
remembers a wizard. Man, I love you, Wizard if you're
(09:18):
out there, and we delivered this really positive content of
people telling their greatest never quit stories. And again I
was like, man, I was reinvigorated. We were doing well.
America seemed like it was on good stand with good ground.
We were positive with these stories, and you know, even
in twenty eighteen, which was one of my best years
(09:38):
I've ever had in my life. Right, I met my
new wife, I won a world series with the Boston
Red Sox. Man, I was writing this absolute tsunami of positivity, right.
I was kicking the shit out of the negative insurgency
at that time. And then t one thousand, eighteen nineteen,
(10:03):
you know, Trump's attacks began to come out, the story
behind it and what Russia Gate was really about, and
these unjust fabricated allegations of him being a Russian asset.
I'm like, wait a minute, that doesn't I mean, are
you serious? This guy was the most beloved human being
in the country. I mean, look at all the freakin
(10:24):
rap songs that were at were praising Trump, and now
all of a sudden, he's a racist. Now, all of
a sudden, he's a bigot. Now, all of a sudden,
he's a direct threat to national security. I was like,
this ain't right, man, something it doesn't feel right. And
I bet if you're like me, you had that spidey
sense tingling as well too. Well guess what now? I
(10:46):
was about really ready to really fall down to the depths.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
The Dante's ninth Gate of the rabbit Holes of rabbit holes,
and then COVID hit. And when COVID hit, the whole
world changed in that moment. And I really believe that's
when the lies, the veil of those lies, came crashing
down around those who have been perpetrating them to us
(11:12):
for a long long time. Right, you're gonna kill grandma.
Don't go outside, Right, you gotta wear a mask six
feet thisn't we know? All made up? And everybody out
there was like, this doesn't make sense. And then that
emerged that summer, all these riots in the streets. Oh
you can't go outside, but you can burn down a city. Now,
(11:34):
now we're starting to hit what is really I mean,
in all conscious terms, is basically a modern Marxist revolution
taking place. And that's when I started to really wake
up in ways I never thought I would before. Because
that summer my business had collapsed. I had lost a
(11:56):
ton of speaking work. I was supposed to work with
the Minnesota Twins. That that collapsed, and all this other
great stuff. Thankfully, I pivoted online. We were starting an
online training company, and then about a month and a
half before the elections, they canceled me that's right, they
canceled rut the hand grenade of positivity. I'd never been
(12:18):
political my whole life. Ever, I'd never talked trash about people.
I'd never called out injustice. All I cared about was
making sure that you were motivated every day, to make
sure that you understood that no matter how hard you
got kicked in the teeth, there was something to anchor
your heart to. There was something that was going to
(12:41):
save you. But guess what when I was canceled unjustly,
that about destroyed me. Right, I got locked out. I
lost access to about one hundred and fifty thousand people,
and after three hundred plus attempts to figure this out,
nobody responded. Ever, Now, you know, fifteen years of content
(13:03):
creation all of a sudden switched off, lights off, no explanation,
And meanwhile, I'm feeling this whole feeling that the world
is changing, something's that can place, and that solidified it. Now.
Fortunately for me, I had some really amazing, good, solid
teammates in my life that got behind me, lift me
(13:23):
out of my my whole you know, Richie and Sean
and Mark p and jeez, there's this whole slew of
people that just leaned in and really like pulled me
out of the abyss I was in because I was like,
how can this be real? And one of them, my
(13:44):
friend Paul, He's the one who said, hey, man, you know,
come to work with me. I think you'll love this company.
You know, very hard work and very dialed in conservative group.
And I went to work and he saved my life,
He saved my family, saved my career, and I got
back on my feet. Now It's taken me a while
to get there. And in all that time, what else
(14:06):
did we see? We saw. We saw craziness take place
with COVID shots. We saw the insanity of the attacks
on Trump, with the with the judicial system, the waging
war against him trying to and we saw him try
to assassinate the guy twice. Right. Meanwhile, you're telling me
that I'm a domestic terrorist. You're telling me my views
(14:29):
as a Christian, I'm a white nationalist, Christian supremacist. Man,
to hell with you, that's all bogus, that's not true.
I know what I believe in, I know who I
believe in, and I know that I'm a good person. Right,
but all that didn't change the fact of what I
was seeing. And so now where I'm at as we
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you know, out of the blue, and don't even don't
even get me started on the afghan and withdrawal, because
was that was like a dagger in my heart. I
never had the opportunity to go serve in Iraq with
all the incredible human beings that served and died over there,
a lot of my friends. But I was in Afghanistan
(15:14):
quite a few times. And when we pulled out of there,
it was proof positive that the people in charge who
made that decision, they don't give a damn about me,
and most importantly, they didn't give a damn about my
dead friends. And that was it. That was the last
straw that broke my back, and it broke a lot
of the rest of us from the g WAT as
(15:35):
well too. But here's what I'm going to tell you.
We're not going to get out there and lay down.
We're not going to get out there and bitch and moan.
We're gonna get out there. We're gonna raise cane, but
in a positive way. And so you know, as I
sit there and I you know, my frog Logic podcasts
had been going, but it was struggling. It was struggling
to get it done and get it up and running again.
(15:56):
And and so I just was I had this defeat.
But I knew inside me, man, that God was going
to serve me up. He was going to deliver me
something special. He was going to deliver me an opportunity
of a lifetime. And you know what, about a month
and a half ago that happened. My friend Buck Sexton
reached out to me on a phone call one Tuesday
(16:18):
I'll never forget, and he said, Hey, what's up, buddy?
And I'm like, Buck, my man, what's up? When we
go and shooting again, dude, because I love, you know,
shooting with him and his brothers. And he said, hey,
I got a question for you. And I was like,
what's up? Buck? He goes, do you have any interest
in getting behind the microphone again? And there you have it.
(16:41):
That's at the bottom of the rabbit hole. That's at
the bottom where you come to a conclusion, you come
to a realization, you receive the blessings of something that's
bigger than you, and opportunity presents itself to you. And
so Buck said, hey, man, as long as you can
convince Julie, you know the the CEO of Premier Networks
(17:04):
at iHeartRadio that you're you're in, all in on this, man,
I think you're good to go. We had that call.
Next thing I needed to do was find someone that
was going to be able to help me do this,
and man, I found the greatest person on the planet
that could possibly ever ever be able to help me
(17:24):
climb back out of that rabbit hole so that I
could get back on a microphone and start delivering those
flashbangs of truth. I found my friend Jordy, and so Jordie,
I want to introduce you to everybody out there too, buddy,
ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages.
I want to introduce you to mister Jeordi long Man.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Hey, everybody, it's an extreme honor to be here, and
I just am so excited to work with David and
figure out how to make just the best show possible
for everyone. We all the things that you were saying,
We need to talk about these things. We need to
give those flash bangs of truth like you were saying
(18:07):
to the world, and I'm just excited to be a
part of it and get this going.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Man awesome. So our mission for you is we are
going to try and consolidate and contextualize this tsunami of
information that you're trying to deal with every every day
across across all social media, across everywhere you find news,
you find content wherever. Our job is to consolidate that,
(18:31):
contextualize it, apply some common sense with some critical thinking
in order for you to have the tools that you need,
that you need to invoke that courage inside you so
that you can join the fight against that negative insurgency,
so that you too can start throwing those flash bangs
(18:52):
the truth. All right, my man, what do you think?
I think that's enough preaching on my soapbox. Brother. I
think we need to do now, is uh. You know
we obviously the first thing of all we gotta do
is we got to bring Buck Sexton on, uh so
he can we can thank him properly and we can
talk about some uh some serious things going on in
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Europe right now. What do you think, JORDI, Yeah, let's
do it.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Let's bring him on.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Who. Yeah, when you start something new, you know, you
have those little bit of butterflies that kind of spin
over and over and over and around and but but
in my case, man, those butterflies it is one of
the most powerful feelings I've ever had in my entire life.
(19:40):
And the reason those feelings are as good as they
are is because of my good friend Buck Sexton. And
so you know the the the only reason I'm sitting
here right now in front of all you and coming
to you with my new show is because of this man,
Buck Sext, and so Buck Man, I just want to
come out of the gate and just say, from the
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bottom of my heart and Jona's hart and Jordy's heart,
thank you so much for this opportunity.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Brother oh man, it is my honor to both be
your friend and to get to work with you now
on this project and see how this is going to
take off, and just you know, when when this podcast
is super big time, just don't don't forget who your
friends were in the early day.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Okay, that's that's my only request, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Like, hopefully he'll still in a year, he's still going
to be returning my text when I'm like, can we
go shooting?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
So that's my plan.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Well, you know what my weak spot is, it's to
go shooting, right, But unfortunately with four daughters and soccer lacrosse.
Sometimes I have to bail on you, which I'm sorry,
but we I owe you one soon.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
For for real anytime.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Awesome. Well, listen, I you know, one of the things
that I think is what I love so much about
you and and Clay and you just you're able to
give such a great overview of bigger topics. You're able
to consolidate a bunch of ideas down and condense them
in a way where the audience really understands, you know,
(21:07):
the power of of the information and how to how
to understand in a better way. And so one of
the big things that's really just I think on my mind,
I know it's on the mind of everybody else that's
out there, is really what's been going on in Europe
right now? I think, you know, we see all these
populous leaders out there that are essentially what in my mind,
(21:31):
they seem like they're they're under attack from all different formats,
whether it was bulscenario down in in in Brazil and
then now we saw just this past week Le penn
has been indicted. What's your take on why this is
taking place? Just from where where do you think that
why is I guess they or them or whatever they are, right,
(21:54):
why are they so afraid of populous leaders?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, it's fascinating because you would think that in democracy populism,
right demos from the ancient Greek you know, the people,
right of the people, and you think, hold on a.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Second, if a movement is popular, then it should do
well in a democracy.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And if a movement is trying to be rooted in
really a majoritarian view of what's best for a society.
Isn't that what a democracy is supposed to capture within
the within the guidelines of you know, voting under certain
situations at certain times, and right, there's always rules.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
It's never just like whatever the mob wants in the moment.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
But if democracy is allergic to populism, we need to
ask why. And in the Western world that certainly, which
is really where we have the most of the of
the functional democracies are in our case or republic, that
seems to be the case. I mean, I actually have.
I'm trying to see if I can pull up the
full list, because think.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
About this date.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You have to remind yourself of how many places this
has been going on, how many places there have.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Been efforts to ban these parts.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Okay, here you go, So three NATO nations this month alone,
have this month, right, and we're not talking about last decade.
This we have banned either the chief opposition party or
the chief opposition leader, or a combination of the two.
Romania has banned its opposition leader. Brazil you mentioned Balsonaro.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
France.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
That was a big one because you know that's you know,
these we think of countries like we kind of ranked
them in a hierarchy of importance, at least to us
in terms of poor relations.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
France a big deal.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Moldova not as big a deal, but they banned their
opposition party.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Turkey has banned their opposition party.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Now, Turkey has always interesting side note, really one of
the original deep states. I think it was called the
Darren Devlett in Turkish or whatever, that's the transliteration. It's
a real thing in Turkey, right, the Turkish military and
the Turkish you know, military industrial complex can just step
in and be like, yeah, no, we don't like what's
going on here. We're going to get whoever there have
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been so many coups in Turkey of the laste hundred years,
you get him to be track of it.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
And then of course.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
America we tried to where they tried to ban Trump,
oh and Germany where they.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
That's right, that's right. And we've even seen him go
after the Prime Minister in Italy too recently and to
the fact where she actually, i think just last week,
came out and said, listen, we're going to side with America.
We we that's where we want to be. And and
you know, for me, when you see this list and
it just keeps it keeps going, it makes me start
(24:34):
to try and understand what's at stake here.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Well, you know, think about this, right, the notion of nationalism.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Has somehow gotten a negative connotation for a long time.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Right to say that you're a nationalist, and really.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
What we've grown up in, Dave, you know, your generation,
our generation is a world in which the ruling elites
have made this pitch to all of us, and not
even really a pitch. I've sort of demanded an obedience
a fewman to an idea. Yeah, demanded and forced it
on us is a much better way of putting it.
That you're not allowed to think about your nation as
(25:17):
something that is more than just an economic zone and
some series of treaties with other countries that you never
really get to weigh in on or understand.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Basically, just like shut up.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
The adults are in charge, and the adults go to Davos,
and the adults go to the UN and they do
this stuff right, and you should never ask hold on
if I have obligations to the state, and if I
have a connection to my people, whether it's Americans in
our case, or Brazilians or the French, right, I mean
the Irish, the Irish? What does that mean in the
(25:50):
context of how I want my leadership to function, not
in this collectivist, in concert whatever all.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Of us together or decide right.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And so that that I think is a big part
of this is just the awakening that why should being
a you know, we could say patriotism right, right, How
is patriotism as an American different from nationalism? Like to
be a patriot as an American means you love. I mean,
you know, you were in combat zones, right, like you
picked up guns and said I will die if need
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be for my country.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Well, you would have felt very differently, I think if
it was I will die if need be.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Because some EU bureaucrats in Brussels say that it would
be worthwhile for me to be engaged in like you know, the.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Most in Ukraine, right, or I'm sitting there going to
church with my family and a little mini van walks
up with a bunch of dudes in multicam. Right. They
come in, yake me out and stuck me in that van.
Next thing I know, I'm in the drenches three weeks later,
after getting trained by a bunch of you know, French
soldiers or euse or British soldiers now out of Poland,
(26:59):
and and it's it's it's almost and to go back
to what you were chatting about in terms of that
collective oppression, right, if we can, we're in charge, we're
forcing the hand. You guys just recognize that this is
we're we're a melting pot, that whole idea. We're gonna,
we're gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna generate a new patriotism,
(27:20):
a new loyalty that's to the greater sovereignty of a
European Union, right uh, an American Union, right, uh, an
African Union. And I think what's really got me and
what really scared me in the last you know, two weeks,
really was watching you know, Marcone and Starmer come out
(27:42):
and and and really help Zelenski, who, by the way,
has shut down all opposition. Barty hasn't had an election.
The whole deal we know that, but has now now
they're coming into sabotage or torpedo, you know, the the
negotiations going on with with Rubio in the State Department,
because there's saying, no, we're ready to put some boots
on the ground. Do you believe is that an idle
(28:04):
thread or do you think there's any validation to those
what they're suggesting they're going to do.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I wouldn't say it's idle. I would say it's improbable.
But they've realized that that's the position that they have
to publicly take because people, I mean, I've been saying
this very openly on radio and just saying this for
a long time. And first of all, when this whole
war broke out, and I'm meaning in the very first
days and the Russian advance, you know, stall they didn't
take Kiev or Kiev whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
I remember saying.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I was like, people are going to underestimate the Russian military,
the Russian industrial complex, and.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
The will of both Putin and those.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Who support him, which is far more substantial inside of
Russia than what.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
You're led to believe in the West.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Putin's popularity is far higher than anybody who just reads
the New York Times would think. And I know they
say he's a dictator and he doesn't have real election
and everything else.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
People like him.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
A lot of Russians actually like him and support him
and think that he stands up for Russian interest, That
he is a Russian nationalist. Now isn't interesting even me
just saying that, because the way they try to the
way our own media and honestly, not just Democrats, a
lot of Republicans try to frame this issue, it's you're
a Putin apologist, you know. I'm just describing the same
way if I was an agency analyst, and I was,
(29:15):
you know, back in the day at the CIA, right,
and if I was writing up an assessment of this,
I'd be like, we can think whatever we want about Putin.
What's the truth of his support inside his own country?
And people who were saying he was going to be ousted,
his economy was going to be in tatters, the ruble
was going to be destroyed.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Delusional.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
None of that has happened, Okay, I mean none of them,
None of it and that's.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
What we were told in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
So the people who knew so much were wrong about everything.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
This war has been grinding on.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's effectively, as you and I know, trench warfare, I
mean literally in trenches.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
But they've got drones and there's been a.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Little sprinkling of modern technology that that makes it scary
as hell, right.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Right, I mean they've got they've got drones that are
flying in and blowing people up and dropping grenades on
them and obviously use a lot for just surveillance too,
for the spotting. Right, So now to do the spotting
for the old school artillery like World War one, World
War two style artillery.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I mean, I know it's more advanced now.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
But the I mean the basic ballistics, it's you know,
fire a big shell that goes boom.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
But they can do the spotting and.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
The assessing of of what the targets are using drones
and satellites and sophisticated technology. So but you're in the
same place, which is okay, we're in a war of
attrition effectively along a front with more advanced technology, but
the actual battlefield lines look very similar to what they
would have in different parts of of the you know,
the First World War where we think of trench warfare
(30:36):
as originating actually originated in the Boer Wars. You and
I know it's a whole other thing in South Africa,
but uh, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Can't let me just go.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I want to step in on that a little bit
because one of the interesting things that for me is
as as now, I I don't know, I think ever
since I've seen this this shift or this focus, this
attack on this these nationalistic movements, right, I started saying, okay, well,
where have we seen this before? And if you do
(31:06):
go back and you start to think about the lead
up to World War One, right the lead up to
World War Two, there's there's some there's some similarities right
where out of these collective calamities, right these you know,
what is it, fourteen fifteen million people annihilated World War One,
and this this horrific entrenchment of just you know, supposed
(31:30):
superpowers and they're jockeying for position, you know, economically within
the structure of Europe and the emergence of all these
new industrial countries. And then you all of a sudden,
you know, you see the same thing start to take
place before World War two, where you start to see
this nationalism emerge, in particular as nationalism in Germany. Some nationalism, obviously,
(31:55):
a new nationalism emerged out of Russia right when they
got rid of the Czars, to to the tune of
Stalin and his crew. So I think, like you were,
what you were alluding to before, is the idea of
nationalism is if it's spun in the right way, in
the right context through propaganda, it actually becomes the enemy
(32:17):
that you need to generate this kind of nefarious advancement
of this Ukrainian Russian conflict. Do you think there's something
Are there similarities that you're seeing there too? Well?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I think that there's certainly been a tremendous focus on
suddenly on Ukrainian nationalism and Ukraine's borders at a time
when other countries bored. Right, it's like we pick and
choose some countries are allowed to be nationalistic and others
are not. And it's not and you go, We'll hold
on a second. Either this can be virtuous across the
(32:51):
board for all nation states, or we're just not applying
any sound principles in the case of Ukraine. Like you
can see all these Americans generally Democrats, not all. There's
some Republicans too with Ukrainian flags. I mean, these people
couldn't find Ukraine on a map a couple of years ago,
and probably some of them still couldn't if you just
erased all the names. And yet they are Slava Ukraine
and they think that this is the most important battle
(33:14):
that the world is facing right now. And this is
going on at a time when the interest in our
own southern border and the dissolution, the effective dissolution of
border controls in a lot of EU countries. Certainly here
in the United States we had ten million plus illegals
in a four year span under Biden. So on the
one hand, the borders of Ukraine are inviolate, and the
(33:38):
notion that they should give up any territory they've already
given up Crimea. I mean, this has already been happening,
right The notion that they should give up any land
whatsoever is somehow a slap in the face to us,
never mind to Ukraine, like we're supposed to be so
outraged by this notion. Meanwhile, we have millions of people
coming into our country illegally who are a drain on
resources and a huge social and political challenge for the future.
(34:01):
And the same people, right, and the same people who
care so much about Ukraine, they care a lot more
about Ukraine's borders and they care about US borders.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
And and people could say.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh, well, you know, we can walk in cho gum
and those are different things. No, because when you're talking
about nation state interests and nationalism, right, it's just the
fact you talk about.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Nationalism, people go, oh, what is that.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I mean, there's there's a book by I think it's
Urama Hoozoni the Virtue of nationalism that goes into how
states the same way that people taking care of them
like like you know this Dave, right, Like if you're
a hit and there are other people who are hit,
like you've got to stop your bleed first, right, I mean,
you're not helping anybody. I mean David's canceal. You know,
(34:42):
you got to look to number one before you can
be that you know, overwatch that assistance, that that life
saver to those around you. And I think that, you know,
put simply like America needs a lot more me time
and a lot less And this is why also the
USA i D defunding that's gone on has been.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
So popular broadly, especially the Trump movement.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I think more generally, it's like, why are we funding
this stuff all over the place?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
People say, oh, but what about this thing there?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
There?
Speaker 4 (35:09):
So a hold on a second.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
We have a lot of needs in this country and
we're not the country is not supposed to be run.
Our treasury is not a global welfare program. And even
if that's a small contingent of it, I think there's
enough people who see that as first of all, you know,
we got thirty six trillion dollars in debt. I mean
that's madness. But beyond that, like where's the stop and start?
(35:30):
And just one other thing to Dave, I think you're
asking about the nationalism component of this. I think that
and these leaders we are being banned one issue, the
borders issue, actually matters a whole lot, because what unites
a lot of these parties, especially in the europe and
an American context, is hold on a second. We are
a people, We are not an economic zone, and we
(35:52):
can't just have unrestricted non you know, non US whatever
that means, like people from all the countries coming in
here in huge numbers, and.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
I think that they're the.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Slow eradication of sovereignty for European countries and for America
is a huge part of the backlash against the the
elites that have been pushing this non nationalism, Oh we're
all collective is ideology. And I think that there's a
concern among them too that people are angry about this,
and the more they learn about it, the angrier they get,
because now they're seeing the results of mass migration to Sweden,
(36:29):
mass migration to Germany, mass illegal migration in the United
States not good. These are not good things, and the
people in charge promise es they'd be amazing.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
All right, Buck, Just to wrap it up, well, you
just I got to hear your thoughts on the idea.
The idea that really I think for me and you
and people who are paying attention to this is the
NATO question. So if you get an opportunity to sit
in a room with Rubio and JD and the President,
(36:57):
you know, what do you tell them, like, what options
do we have? What is the kind of the go
no go criteria where we simply say, all right, that's it,
we're done. We're not doing that, We're not staying in NATO.
You put boots on the you know, Marcone puts boots
on the ground. Brits put boots on the ground, which
is kind of funny, But no offense Brits because I
(37:19):
fought with you. Some of you guys are super hard,
but probably has been a little while. But what do
you tell them that say, hey, we cannot go past
this and continue to lead down the potentiality of a
World War three? What are your thoughts you share with them?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Well, I have a lot of faith in this current team,
I'll tell you. And so I've been in the position
before where I feel like i'm you know, I consider
myself like a coach. Maybe I'm up in the stands
watch for the game, but coaching the Trump administration.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
And I got a lot of.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Thoughts to make things go better with this national security
team and with how they're approaching things so far, I'm
doing a lot more clapping than I am criticizing. And
that's just the truth. I mean, I align with them
on this stuff. And some of these other folks, I mean,
I'm not even sure if Bridge Colby's gotten through yet
a DoD I've known Bridge for twenty years. The guy's
absolutely brilliant. Pete HEGGSAZ has been a friend for fifteen years.
(38:11):
He is dialed in Sean Parnell, a great friend, dialed
in at d D.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Joe Ken. Joe Kent's my favorite.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Who is Oh Joe Kent?
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yes, Joe Can.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I mean, you know you've got you've got smart guys,
war fighters, people that see it, you know, see it
through realistic eyes. So on the on the NATO piece,
I would just say, one, Trump getting NATO to commit
to more spending and prepare themselves.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
You know it shouldn't be. Oh.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
The only reason that that, you know, Germany's not going
to get invaded by Russia or Poland's not gonna get it,
you know, whatever, is because America is going to land
like eighty second.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Airborne and you know, we're going to kick their asses
or something.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
They should be able to put up a substantial fight
themselves such that it's unthinkable that we would have the
kind of tumult, if you will, in Europe that we
saw in the twentieth century.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Right, So if we're.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Going to be in NATO, and I know there are
people that even have questions about whether that's worthwhile, we
should also be honest. I mean, NATO is an anti
Russia alliance. I mean, I remember when I was in Afghanistan.
It was a NATO mission and everybody there as you remember, people.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Remember the Saff everybody, Yeah, I bet we all wore
the eye Saff bad.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
No one even really unless you were there. People don't
even pay attention to this. It was a NATO mission
in Afghanistan, which is like what and NATO is kind
of a almost a proto Ulan or something.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
It makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
This is to stop Russia from you know, beating up
on and invading NATO members. Ukraine is not a NATO member,
and so I think that you know, the the Article
five of NATO, which is what would require the mutual
mutual defense.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
You know, I think that as long as.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
America is truly and as long as America is in
treaties where they say, if this happens.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
We will do you know, we will do the following,
we do have to honor that.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I think that that's important, But I don't think that
we have to honor it forever, indefinitely without looking at
what are we really getting getting out of this. So
you know, the line in the sand is Article five.
It is the joint defense component of the treaties. You know,
treaties that we're involved in with NATO. But I also
think it's very clear. I mean, you know you know
this better than most, Dave. The lesson of twenty years
(40:23):
of war in the Middle East and South Asia is
you don't just send your guys and gals to fight
because you're fighting, and then you don't want to stop
the fighting because what we're you're fighting for and you know,
and that's where that's where people Ukraine is we see
that lesson through the lens of Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
I think in a very profound way.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Well, my whole thing is just to tie it up,
is you know, I mean I've got a lot of
dead friends, and you know now it's me looking at
their children in the face and saying, hey, you know,
your dad died for this very honorable thing, which was
you know, a twenty year war in Iraq which didn't
(41:06):
get us anywhere, or a twenty year war in Afghanistan
which now we're actually paying the taleband forty million dollars
a week. You know, I just and you look at
the numbers now and you look at I mean, what
anything from uh, you know, a million to a million
five from both Ukraine in Russia I just don't. I
(41:28):
don't see the American young men out there rogering up
and wanting to go to war to defend something that
quite frankly, you know, maybe shouldn't be defended in the
first place, on our on our Let somebody else take
the charge. And I'm and I'm not in isolations by
any strike. I do believe we need to project power
(41:50):
in order to maintain that that you know, uh, the
economic power and might that we are. But man, I
definitely don't want to see. You know, it's crazy. Is
there's this massive You've been following us too, I've been
watching you post about it, this massive increase in people
signing up for the military, and and I think it
(42:10):
has to do with Pete, right, and it has to
do with this change and this pride and the president
and come back, Yeah, I want to go serve. But
here's the thing, man, is is if you do this again, uh,
you know, it's gonna be it's gonna be a challenge
to get young men out there to roger up to
go die for some senseless war that fundamentally, as Americans
(42:32):
we don't support.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
But well, I think for a lot of people, what
we see in Ukraine and what the Trump and with
the Trump view of it and the you know everybody
who's voted for Trump is we learned a very painful
lesson as a country. Let's actually let's actually learn that
lesson and be and be clear on that, right. And
that's why when you brought up you know, Starmer in
the UK and these guys who are they're not sending
(42:55):
troops to go muzzle to muzzle with Russians, But they
have to say that because if they won't say that,
then it's very clear that our side that's saying, what's
the game plan here, guys, has the better end of
the argument, which is they have no game plan. The
game plan and game plan is status quo people getting
chewed off on both sides and dying when we all
know that eventually it's just going to come down to
(43:16):
where are the lines on the map drawn and who
gets control of what and then we all go back
to living our lives.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
So that's that's where.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
That's at one hundred percent. And I and I do
have a theory about immigration in the future of those
wars and those battle lies, but let's talk about that another.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Time, brother, anytime.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Man.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Sorry that looks like I'm like a botanist here, but
you know, this is my makeshift studio.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
So you know it's really very Miami. It's very Miami.
Behind me though, I.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Thought you were going to get on with some Lulu
Lemon or your a little uh, your little this is
this is Lulu.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
I live in the Lulu, don't dude.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Of course, dude, I love it. God bless you, brother,
well Buck, thank you so much for for being our
first guest and all so, I can't tell you how
proud I am to be part of the Clay and
Buck podcast network. And just again, man, you are one
of the greats out there, and your confidence in me
(44:12):
is overwhelming, and I just I can't thank you enough.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
God bless man.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
You're a dear friend, and I'm proud of you for
stepping in here and starting a great, a great program.
And I know you're just going to do so well
with some of the people that are familiar with Claim Buck,
and you're going to build it out way beyond too,
so everybody wins. So thank you so much for answering
the call.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Awesome, God bless you, buddy. Take care.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Well.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I'll tell you what, man, there are not many people
that can deliver succinct thoughts in a meaningful way like
Buck Sexton did. Please, if you can, you know, reach
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(45:03):
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UH to you, Clay and Buckman. I'm so happy to
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(45:24):
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(45:46):
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