May 7, 2025 • 43 mins
In this explosive episode, former Navy SEAL David Rutherford sits down with geopolitical strategist and author EM Burlingame to expose the Financialist Kill Chain—a 7-step system used by global elites to collapse nations and seize their wealth. From Wall Street’s roots in wartime espionage to modern-day cartel economics, this interview breaks down how intelligence agencies, banking systems, and black ops are used to enslave populations without firing a shot.
Discover why EM believes we’re entering Step 7: Collapse, how $1 trillion in dirty money is laundered through colonial banking networks, and why the U.S. may be the final host in this parasitic system.
If you're ready to wake up to the truth behind financial warfare and global manipulation, don’t miss this one.
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00:00 – Introduction & Setup
David introduces EM Burlingame and frames the conversation around global financial warfare and fear.
02:30 – What Is the Financialist Kill Chain?
EM defines the 7-step system used to enslave populations through economic manipulation.
06:00 – Historical Origins: From the British Empire to Wall Street
How World War I bankrupted the British aristocracy and transferred power to American financiers.
10:00 – Prohibition and the Rise of the Mob State
How illicit money flows corrupted U.S. banks and created the foundation of shadow finance.
13:45 – The CIA, Allen Dulles, and Global Economic Warfare
The role of intelligence agencies in embedding the kill chain through covert ops and investment banks.
18:30 – The $1 Trillion Liquidity Pipeline
How human trafficking, drugs, and crime fuel the global financial system—and why it makes a real economy unnecessary.
22:30 – Colonial Banking Networks and Foreign Aid Loops
How U.S. foreign assistance is funneled through colonial banks and back into elite hands.
27:00 – Step 7: Collapse – The Final Move in the Kill Chain
The elites are preparing for
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now that you understand what the financialist kill chain is
and the seven steps to enslave people are well stand
by for what Ian Berling Game talks about and what
we're dealing with now. On the David Rutherford Show, this
just hit a whole nother court. I don't know if
you watch Tucker Carlson, but he just had a woman on,
(00:21):
Catherine Fritz, who used to be in the government, in
the Bush Senior government, and she ran kind of the
hud and she's got this great news site called Solari
and they do these very intense analysis of the economic
mismanagement or redirection of economies. And she actually had this
(00:46):
really fascinating seq segment of it where she was saying,
you know when you know, and she went back to
that famous you know, September tenth, two thousand and one
where Rumsfeld comes out and says, Yeah, we're on a
counted for two point seven trillion dollars. And what she
was hinting at her saying is that underneath all these structures, right,
(01:10):
I guess those structures of the seven the steps that
you were talking about, they're funneling money out of the
commoners into these other areas and other places through these
different types of systems. So for me, like, as you're
saying this, I'm like, whoa, here's a person that was
in and she actually was attacked for nine years, had
(01:32):
to defend herself against the DJ They tried to destroy her.
She was an investment banker and all this, and they
tried to completely destroy her. And it's like because she
was exposing this these hidden secrets of where the money
is going and funneling to. And so that kind of
brings us up to the modern era post World War two,
(01:53):
after the British host was destroyed and it coming over
to New York and can you just talk, you know
a little bit about that and what you're seen up
until where we're at today and how that worked.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, So I did a series of you know, the
the the taking over, you know, the jumping host from
the British to the Americans started right.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Around World War One. World War One bankrupted the British Empire.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Straight up. And not only did it bankrupt the British Empire,
it killed all physically killed off their last princes. Forty
seven British noble and royal houses ended in World War One,
Wow ended and some of these families were over one
thousand years old, their connection with their people, the land.
They've been able to stand up to all this stuff
(02:47):
for centuries. They died in World War One? What happened
by their estates to the all Also, no, no, no, no,
crowd doesn't get that.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
That doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
No, the bankers and the industrials came about all that stuff.
Pennies on the dollar, wow, financialized that uses collateral in
the US to build up further the US. So where
this starts is prohibition. Prohibition is what launched the mob state.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
And I've done a.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Series of five or six tweet threads on the mob state.
I won't dig into that too much, but basically, massive
amounts of unearned liquidity poured into the system through illicit
You know, illicit means it's unearned liquidity, meaning it's cash, alcohol, alcohol,
all the gambling, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Mayor Lanski and all those guys. That prohibition broke the
US economy in the banks because the banks no longer
needed to maintain the complex logic of local economies. They
(04:03):
just need to.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Figure out how to have enough of that going on
so that they could launder the money from the mob
That then they could you know, into their banks that
then they could lend out it your ten twenty thirty
times thirty times. Okay, World War two comes along, the
(04:25):
Dulles brothers, right, and some others create the mobs, convert
the United States into the Mob state.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Law.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And that was because of what was going on in Italy. Right,
They were using the mob extentsively to run covert operations.
That was intelligence.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, that was later. That was later.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Okay, So forty one, nineteen forty one Operation Underworld happens,
and that's losing.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Gosh.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I can't remember his name right now, but you know
the Luciano.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
He was under Luciano, right, Yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
No, this was the top boss.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
This was actually using so it was Meyer Lansky and
I think Buggsy had already been killed by this time,
but it was it was that group, right, And it
was ostensibly about maintaining the ports free of spies and
(05:30):
then to keep the sports from so there wasn't sabotage,
but in reality it was it was embedding the and
then it worked. They worked with the os s and
all of this because they had the routes. And but
if you look closely, the guy that was behind all
of it was Alan DoLS. And Alan DoLS was an
investment banker on Wall Street, Alan bank Uh. Alan DoLS
(05:52):
was Hitler's banker. He was the Nazis banker. He was
the one that launderon and and this is all publican
So I'm not, you know, pulling stuff out of my
fourth point of contact as we like to say.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
As we like to say, I love that term.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So when the agency gets stood up and you know,
nineteen forty seven and you know, the new variant of
British intelligence and Galen uh Major Galen from from Germany,
from the German Army, right, the head of intelligence on
the Eastern Front, right, he gets you know, gets stood
(06:39):
up in the Galen organization and he's basically European intelligence.
And then later in early nineteen fifties they make him
head of German Intelligence. So the guy who was anyways,
the point is is that they embed this killchain infrastructure
in the form of the intelligence agencies and the investment
bankers and banking systems that founded them. Later on this
(07:01):
spins out, you know, later on, this is what backs
the cartels and all of these other things. Because with
right now roughly a trillion dollars a year and on
earn liquidity coming in from you know, criminal you know,
trafficking basically human and otherwise. Right, the there hasn't needed
to be any reality to the US economy for the bankers,
(07:25):
the big bankers.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
For over a century.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Wow, because all of this, all of this pours into this,
you know, into the banks. They launder it. They charge
about four and a half percent. Then that money gets
into the banks, sits in the banks, not just here in.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
The US, but overseas.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So a trillion dollars a year in the banks in
the you know, in the financialist system, lent out it
at least ten times. It's it's a ten trillion dollar.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Right a year, a year, a year. Yeah. So wow,
what need do you have of real economy.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
When you can just fabricate it through at.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Least fabricate it that. But that's not enough.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
You want more, that's right, Okay, you want more because
you want everything you can get.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
These are slavers that straight up their slavers. Okay, So
we don't do colonialism anymore, right, right, But if you
go to the former colonies, most of the banks are
colonial banks, you know, for historical reasons and you know,
(08:41):
credibility and you know confidence in the banking system. Okay,
when we do military assistance dollars and they go to
a country, when the funds actually get message, you know
through the swift system get message, they go.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
In east bank that they go into, Yeah, i'mth.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
No, they go into an old colonial bank, which is
might go through the I M at well, an old
British bank or older bank, or an old Italian bank
or right or an old Swiss bank.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And that's the stuff Mike Benz is doing such yeoman's
work exposing right now.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So all of this aid that we put out every year,
all the foreign assistants dollars, all of the you know,
this is quite aside from the USA I D. That's
just the you know, the influence operation, right right, Quite
aside from that, all of the dollars that go out
and you know, let's say roughly a trillion dollars a
year that goes out ends up going in through maybe
(09:39):
it goes through a couple of cutouts, et cetera, but
it ends up in a former colonial bank in Kenya
or or Burkina Fas or somewhere else. Well where does
that money actually end up then if it goes into
the old colonial bank France Italy. Right, so this old
(10:00):
financialist infrastructure, you know, and a lot of it goes
through the city of London, or it doesn't necessarily go
through the city of London going that way, but coming
back as collateral, as liquidity, then it's you know, out
of the city of London, it's out of Amsterdam, it's
out of you know, et cetera, et cetera. So this
(10:21):
great flee scene and inbebting of the American people, just
like with the British, have come to their end. There's
no more to take and so the only step next
Now you know, they've got one through five done.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, what's next? Okay? And normally the way.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
They do it is they get you tied up in
a massive war. Now first off, though, they'll tie you
up in a generational war first, so that the next
major war that you fight there's no chance you're gonna win.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, what the hell was the g WAT generational war?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Generational war?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Right, we're exhausted, we're exhausted.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
We lost a lot of our best and not just killed,
but you know, guys are broken or they're exhausted or
they don't want any part of it anymore.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's right, right, And now what are they doing. They're
influencing their children to say, it's not worth it, don't
go fight, don't go. So they're cutting the legacy of
that strength that should be connected through the generations of
that patriot.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Correct, correct, Right, so that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
There is no loyalty anymore, not between the people and
the land, but the people in the state.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Right, there is none.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And that's part of the kill chain, right, you've got it,
that's everybody homogeneous. You've got to get rid of oligarchs
or princes and loyalties and all of that so that
when you collapse it and then you come in and
buy everything at pennies on the dollar so you can
collateralize your next kill chain in some other part of
the world that there's nobody there to there's nobody there
to fight you over it.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
And that's the thing that I struggle with now, is
like you would think that America is the ultimate place
to be able to run this financial scheme, if you will,
this conspiracy for longer periods of time than they've been
able to do it in the past. Right now, granted
(12:19):
you can look at the chunks of time have been
relatively two three, four hundred years out of crack. But
now it's it seems like it's almost speeding up. So
where could they possibly go? Because you had mentioned they
thought about China.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Because Yeah, I was in China as an investment banker
back in the early two thousand.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
They were already building the infrastructure. Wow, they were already building.
Xi was elevated. And there's one of the I wrote
an article about both putin Enerji here a few days ago.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's on I read that Really substack is that?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And I I've worked with Hu Jintao's son in investment
banking stuff that we were doing. Hu Jintao was helping
put the infrastructure in place, the Chinese premiere. It's why
he was removed. That's why g was elevated. She's ludicrously capable,
ludicrously capable. He's fiercely Chinese, and he's incorruptible.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, that's that's what's interesting. Lex Friedman just had a
brilliant guy who is a China expert on a couple
of weeks ago or a week ago or whatever, and
just listening to him and what was fascinating to him
to him. Is is that that that g is being
openly is openly commenting about the value of Confucism, right,
(13:44):
which is the historical context of the underlying strength of
the Chinese hegemony, the development, right, as opposed to saying,
you know, no, we're staunch communism where it's been.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
They haven't been communists in thirty.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Years, right, they haven't been.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And the problem is they can't say that though, because
there are still many survivors of the Cultural Revolution, and
you can't.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
They have not acted and participated as communists in over
thirty years. They have not been communists over thirty years.
And most of the things that people hear about them
is just ludicrous garbage, right, right. And the fine Chinese
firewall is in place, but that's to prevent.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Color revolutions, right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's right to prevent the financialist kill chain from embedding
in China, right, right.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So who becomes the next host is it? Because it
can't be anything like India or South Africa?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Well they just tried to Yeah, well right now, I
think this whole Indo pack thing is an attempt to
move into India.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That's what I'm feeling too.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I suspect it is.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, And I'm like, I'm paying close attention to Modi,
what he's saying. I'm watching what he's following, where he's at,
who he's meeting with. You know, I think that's the
real real target, because it's not only you know, if
China is resistant, how do you take China down? Well,
you've got one point for three billion people, but it's
(15:18):
not gonna work.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It's not gonna work because you cannot fight over the
him Elias at all.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
It's possibility, You.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Just can't do it.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
You cannot fight a war over the humilias and Southern
China on the coast. Southern China is actually very mountainous
and very difficult. It's only Eastern China and northern China
that are unshielded, right right, So you're not going to
fight a war with the Chinese over If you want
an example of that, look to the Korean War. How
(15:48):
does such a small number of people hold off millions
of fricking Chinese and North Koreans. I mean, it was
brutal and ugly and horrendous fighting, but you know, tens
of thousands of guys ultimately a couple one hundred thousand guys,
We're able to hold off millions.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
That's right, I think I think it was. It's the
thermopyline concept, right, you find the hot gates somewhere defend
that vigors. How about it? Like, is is it possible that?
I mean obviously what what what we've seen in the
last you know, six to nine years in Brazil? Is
(16:22):
you know? And is Brazil potentially target? Do you go
down there next?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah? Possibly?
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Speaker 2 (17:31):
There isn't enough value to Brazil though, unfortunately, and there's
too much. They can already extract a good amount from
Brazil and they're not going to be able to hide
and protect themselves there. I wrote about this today and
published it today. But this thread over the last couple
(17:56):
of weeks, which actually started with a question Alex Craner
was talking to uh Tom la Wongo about about a
week or so ago, you know, and he was trying
to figure out who is this really and where and
then so that got me down this path and then
I'm kicking myself, you know, having been in the leverage
by all days or on the other on the other side,
like why didn't I see this before? But timing is everything?
(18:19):
Uh I think that what I believe very firmly now,
given that they're not going to get the World war
no matter what they do, even with this predictive programming
of this, you know, supposed Wagner commander saying they're gonna
kill Putin, you know, or or he didn't say that,
but you know, he goes on the show, and then
(18:40):
the next day we get all these threats against Putin
from the you know, the Ukrainian puppets.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
It's like, okay, that's I wish they'd get better screenwriters, obviously,
because it's all getting kind of boring and tedious.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's it's like the final season of Game of Thrones.
It's just kind of all the writing's gone to try,
gone to trash, just gone to trash. Right, It's like,
I think what.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
You have now is you've got you know, so many
different fractions vying for attention that that it's it's now.
It's like it gives the it's in my opinion, it's
exactly what what this this initiative, right, whatever you want
to call it, right, This initiative is like whether it's
(19:26):
the Blob, the deep sit, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
They want that, They want fifty million different people giving opinions.
They want everybody classified as a psio. They want every
one of us to be pointing at each other and
going you're a part of it, You're a part of it, right,
and that's that's the gist of this whole thing, is
(19:50):
that what was the famous quote by I forget who
it was, but the head of the CIA. But it's like,
we know we've succeeded when nobody leaves it. Yeah, case,
when everybody, when everybody believes nothing, we've won.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Correct, And I think operations a success.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
That's all is is that it's failing, for sure, failing.
And the reason it's failing is the same reason that
it failed in the fourteen hundreds. What came out in
the fourteen hundreds was the printing press, and wow, it's
(20:31):
the same reason it failed in England. And actually what
led to the establishment and creation of the English peoples.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
And we are a peoples, we are a civilization. There
are no ethnic English. England was a civilization launched by
one man after you know, Alfred the Great, and finally
brought about as a single whole under his grandson Athelstan.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
But really it goes back even earlier, you know, conces
and ideas before that, what did Alfred the Great do?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Alfred the Great.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Realized there was all these arguments and all these fighting,
and all these people, et cetera, and some spoke you know, Danish,
and some spoke Celtic and Gaelic and picked and he
was like, we're going and Latin, and the Catholic Church
was in there or getting in there, et cetera. And
he's like, eh, he made everything, he translated and converted
everything to English, made everybody you know, right, Well, what
(21:30):
did it do? It opened all this information, all this
It made it much much harder for this, this operation,
you know, this deception operation to work. All right, Well,
printing press did that later?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
What did that do? Well?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That led to over a century of NonStop war, That's right, right,
as the truth started to come out and as people
realize things, well, well now we got this thing called
the internet.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
That hash they've been controlled.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
No longer, but no longer.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Why because some princes, oligarchs, But some princes said no more,
no more. Now did they say it because they themselves
were under threat?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh? Hell yes? Did they do it for the good
of the people, Yeah, somewhat.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Some of this some self preservation and correct like in
order to self, in order to preserve yourself. You can
see chaos around other places, so people redirect what they're angry.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
About or or in this case, the ones that gave
us the ability to communicate that adopt the censorship stuff.
They were like, no, we actually need the people.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
To protect us.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
We're going to have to give the people something that
they can use to protect themselves or they'll have no
reason to protect us. That's right, right, And this is
the this is the you know, the greatest you know, So,
what is the greatest lie? What is the greatest trick
the devil ever pulled?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Pretending that he didn't exist.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Getting us to believe that he didn't exist? What is
the greatest trick, the most destructive, dangerous trick the financialist
pulled getting us to believe that our princes were the problem,
that our princes were evil. Historically, it's never the people
who right who prevent the kill chain. It's not Putin.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
It's the people who elevated Putin and have kept him
in office all this time. It's not g.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You know, if you tried to have you know, the
communist era was a unique period. Those both happened because
a lot of the population been destroyed. War in China
came along because we've been feeding them with opium for
a century. We've been you know that finding we are
ready to collapse them. Right, We've been doing the same
thing with the Russians. The financials have been doing the
(24:06):
same things with Russians. They were ready to execute the
step seven of the kill chain, right, that's why communism
happened in Russia. And those were foreigners, they were not
Russians that did that to Russians. Now that at the
low level, yes, but not at the top. Stalin was
a Georgian.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Right so right, and what Trotsky was a New Yorker, right,
Lenin was what he was exiled in Germany?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah so yeah, yeah, right, and Mao is not a
Han Chinese yep.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So two years back to the question, Okay, where are
they go next? I believe firmly they're trying to get
into India. I don't know that it's going to happen,
and I'm actually just randomly this week got asked to
get involved in some of those conversations.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So, Okay, what.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I suspect is that there there is no more host
for them to go to. They're not going to be
allowed anymore because it's it's become too obvious. I suspect
what they're what they're going to do, It's what I
would do if I was them. This is the resentfuls, right,
I called financialists because the resentfuls didn't connects with people
(25:18):
some people, but it's you know, in the modern world,
how do the resentfuls wage their eternal war? Its this
financialist kill chain, right, And as I write about in
the eternal war, there's all these other supporting stuff, but
ultimately all of that's in support of this financialist kill chain.
I suspect what they're going to do is because you
can already see it. We've seen going from about nineteen
(25:41):
trillion dollars in offshore wealth over one hundred maybe forty
trillion in the last twenty so odd years. I suspect
what they're going to do is escape off into their
Spider's web islands. You know, there's a great documentary called
The Spider's Web.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The oscription of what what it is and what what's
the problem is right. They're freaking Marxist though they did
the videos, so their prescription of what to do about
it is ludicrous, is tyranny, It's yeah, it's it's just childish.
But you know, sometimes these Marxists are pretty smart, and
(26:20):
you know, not the wild, insane, crazy ones, but some
of the academics pretty smart.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I'm identifying what the problem is. I ever listened to
them on a solution.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Now that that that's categorically been proven to end up
with a few million people.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I'll listen to you on the helicopter write up as
you tell me what the problem is. When when we
get to the point where you're gonna tell me the solutions,
I'm gonna throw you out of the helicopter.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I love it Montana vibes, but I this is what
I suspects happening is they're not going to get their
world war no matter what, it's not going to happen
because that goes nuclear fast.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, but we're not also going to allow a slow,
steady grind to where it kills off. You know, we're
not going to allow them to do that kind of
a collapse.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So what I suspect.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They're going to slip into their their little island hideouts
and their bunkers and everything else offshore and their wealth,
offshore wealth, and they're going to use the cartels and
gi Hotti, you know they you know what was the
g WAT.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
G WAT was another corporate hostile takeover.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
We took over control, they took over control of all
the terrorist organizations, criminal organizations. That's what it was. And
it's like, oh, you're making that up. No, who were
we paying? Who do we just pay to take over Syria?
And who just paid to take over you know who's
fighting on with the Ukrainians right now.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Isis why are we paying the Taalban forty million dollars
a week? Oh?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
And we armed them.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
With eighty six billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
We armed them and we and we spent twenty years
training them all of our tactics, techniques and you know,
all of our teaching, all of our everything.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I just don't on purpose.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
When I was I was in working for the agency,
I was in one area and right around there was
a British training facility and I would we would go
over and cite our weapons in and all that stuff
over there. And I remember talking to some of the
Brits and these are you know, these aren't sas guys.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Or anything like.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
They're just they're just pogues out there, you know, getting
it done. And they were training they would have these
classes of Afghan you know a Ana guys ampie yeah, ye,
And and they were training them. And I went up
to these I'm like, dude, how many guys? And they're like,
we do four hundred guys every month. And I go,
that's a ton of dudes. He's like yeah, and I go,
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that's pretty short amount of time. He's like telling me
because I was back when now, like the Afghan on
on trainer was happening all the time. A bunch of
a bunch of green braves got killed during that era.
And and I was like, well, you know, how what's
your bleed off? How many do you lose? And he
said about forty percent. So it's like one hundred and
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eighty dudes out every month. Right, we're taking their training,
their equipment, their kit, and immediately graduating, going to their
provinces and then immediately going to work for whomever it is, right,
whatever it is, whoever, that's right.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
You know what? You know what the g Wat was right?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
G Watt was so calmverse, you know, was Tampa versus Langley.
I mean, the more I look at it, it was like
it was like anybody.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Describe it so perfectly. I never thought, well, I mean
I I I was right, you know, not even a
year later, I remember I go into the talk and
Bogram and I'm you know, I'm the intel guy, and
I'm like, okay, hey man, you know, where can we
go and what do we can we do? And they're like, well,
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you know, get out of here. We can't give you anything.
We're not in control of it, blah blah blah. I'm like, well,
who is, Well, it's not us. But and I remember
the Aussies came in the gates and those beautiful lorries
they had, and I went up to him and I
was just like, hey, guys, I'm you know, I'm running.
Nice to meet you. And they look like they've just
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been in it, you know, and I'm like, what how
are you doing this? And they were saying, well, we
go in, we pester through the powers that be, and
they give us some just random section of the country
and they say, go over here, this is your area.
You can do whatever you want. And instead of us
putting in you know, op orders, right, we would just
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say we're doing reconnaissance and they'd go. They they'd set
up these you know, twenty day reconnaissance missions on these areas,
figure out where the bad guys were, and then they
would drive their lorries right into the middle of these
little villages. And just pick a fight. And so they were.
They were getting into it every time. So I go in,
(31:12):
I go to, you know, our guys, and I'm like, hey,
this is what they're doing. And and I went in.
I's like, hey, can we get an area? Now, no,
you're not getting anything. So finally we moved down to
Kandahar and and I went in same thing because now
we're it's you know, big you know what is it
asaf you know multi Ever, we're all in the same
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little area right at the airport, and we go in
and we're like, all right, where's our area? We got
an area and it was down by spin Bulldock in
the desert of death, right on the Pakistani border, where
cowbands running back and forth, you know, the whole thing.
And we had discovered that the you know, the agency
had a couple safe houses running in spin Bulldock doing
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all kinds of things. So we're like, all right, we're
gonna partner with them. We're to go down, We're gonna
set up urban reconnaissance, start track and do the whole thing.
And then we'll we'll in our little dpvs, we'll wrap
these DEDs up as they come across these points. In
the middle of the desert to death and we'll you know,
we'll get something done. Shut down, you're not going anywhere,
you're not doing anything. And that's when I was like, dude,
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we don't run this thing. DoD doesn't have any control
of this at all. And that was like my wake
up call, like, oh my god, wait a minute, there's
a lot, there's a whole nother thing going on that
I'm so naive. And that was really the impetus of
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me starting to pay closer retention, Well, if I'm doing this,
I know it's not what it is, but what is it?
And slowly and slowly, over time, you know, I was
able to get to a place where I got a
pretty good idea of what was going on. But in
the last obviously the less you know, I think really
(33:02):
the Afghan pull out was where the veil finally fell, right,
and so now like it's been exposed, and then in
particular with what DOGE is doing, and because now we
have the money trails that are running all this stuff,
and the battle that's going back and forth between d
O D and their push against beat and all this
stuff that's and it's like you can see the foundation
(33:24):
is rattled. Yes, And that's what I think is so
beneficial now for the people, for the common, for the
for the people that really still believe in the greater
context of what the American dream is. The more they
understand that and the more they have this opportunity in
this space that is what modern media or modern whatever
(33:47):
it is, access to, you know, those diamonds in the
rough of the madness of the crazies of whatever. But
when you get down these these these these right to
go back to you know, the Venetian these canals, if
you were, the tributaries of of influence and truth. People
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are starting to understand how the river flows. And that's
why I think what you're doing is so powerful and
so educational. I mean, it's really about education. It's about
teaching the American public what has been kept from them
for so long, what was kept from the British, what
was kept from the Dutch and so on.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
How do we how do we so.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
How do we keep them from executing Step seven. We
can't prevent them from from anitie and they already have, right,
it's it's already moving. But how do we prevent them
from succeeding in Step seven so we don't collapse.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Sorry for the interruption. I know you're loving this interview
as much as I do, but I just wanted you
to be aware and to put on your calendar. May
thirty first me on our Patreon account at David Rutherford Show.
I will be giving a live motivational event about performance,
about what I've learned over the past thirty years of
(35:14):
trying to figure out what about the human condition enables
us to succeed or what drives failure in the most
extreme environments imaginable. That's May thirty first on our Patreon account.
Don't miss it. Who Yah. Back to the interview.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I'm not terribly super smart, but when I get on something,
I'll stick on it for years, sometimes decades, even until
I kind of understand it. And because I'm not, I've
got a I've got a pretty good memory for concepts
and ideas. I got a horrible memory for names and
dates and title.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
You're pretty awesome today, so what I appreciate it, but
you know, it's like I can't keep up well, you know,
like James Lindsay, that's what he does. He does, He's
got these whole tables and listen. I'm like, that's too complex,
too complex. I'm not an eighteen Bravo. I was an
Echo and a Fox, right, but sometimes I really get
the Bravos.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Like, ah too much, too much?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, gunpoint that way, boom right, Yeah they fall down?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Good, what's next to it? Yeah? Reengage reacquire.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
So the point is for me is like I got
to simplify things down right and in the process, and
I gotta bless my Scottish mother for helping me see
this when I was young. We've got to get back
to first principles. If we're going to prevent the collass,
we got to get back to first principles. And we
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need to stop letting them tell us who the enemy
is and what the enemy is and how the enemy works.
And when you get to that and you let go
of all of these things that were so emotionally attached to, which, again,
being half Scottish and half English, I'm emotionally attached to
much of anything.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Uh. She probably is an advantage, it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Is for this stuff, I'll tell you, right.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Isn't it both the Scandinavian descent before that. So yeah,
but you know, we've got to simplify. We've got to simplify,
We've got to reduce. We need to not chase there.
You know, if there's anything that is put in the
public domain, now that's that triggers an emotional response to you.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
It's a it's a fake out. We're at that point.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
And if there's something that's out there from a trusted source,
et cetera, and it's pretty blase and mellow and calm,
should probably look at that. It's like the it's you know,
in Green Berets, we have the old warrant you know,
the warn officer ing. It's like that out of shape, broken,
long haired warrnt officer who's just you know, you never
know if he's drunk or not.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Sitting in the back of the team, sitting.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
In the back. He rarely even shows up.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
She's never there for pt the morning, right, never cleans
his weapons.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Right. But every once while he'll show up say something.
You're like, what does he just say?
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
And then you're like, of, you know, and it's like
those are the kind of people you need to watch
for now.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
It's like, what does he just say? What is that?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
But any of the sensational emotional stuff, it's it's either
somebody who themselves are in emotional space, which is a lot.
And we all got our you know, most of us,
i'd pretty much don't anymore. We all got our triggers.
You know, are are things that we're you know, some operation,
especially the soft guys and the Intel guys, some operation,
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some area of expertise that we got somewhere in the world,
and we're charged up by that, you know. Unfortunately, knowing
a lot of soft guys in the Intel guys, most
of them don't know what the hell they're talking about
because they don't realize that the whole framing, like you
were talking about when you were down in Southeast Afghanistan,
entire frame being was a lie, right, you know, the
(39:03):
they you know again it's it's Langley script writers in Tampas,
scriptwriters writing the episodes, and we're all playing within these episodes.
But it's scripting and not always intentionally just but you know,
so we got to get back to first principles.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
We got to get back local and small.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
We've got to stop paying attention to things that are
you know, if they can't shoot me, blow me up,
and they can't get to me within three or four
days to shoot and blow me up.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
That that's going to be the next T shirt for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Right, it's like, honestly beyond that, What the hell am
I worrying about?
Speaker 3 (39:50):
That's right, So we need to stop, you know, you know,
all of this other kind of.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
It's just no sensation.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
The other that we have to pay attention to is
that we we really are still English. We are the
English civilization. We are a civilization. We can all hate
each other in angry and battle with each other, but
we are a civilization like some of the greatest civilizations
that have ever been. And yes, we're Americans, but Americans
are English. We are the English peoples. And that includes
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the Irish and the Scots, and the Welsh and the Brittannese.
And it does include some of the old core members
of the British Empire from India and Pakistan. It's why
that does matter because they're also riddled throughout our own,
you know, the old parts of the empire. But we
are English civilization. We have certain sets of principles and
we need to get back to those as the people.
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Forget all this other stuff, forget all of the you know,
the religious stuff and all that. If you're religious, that's fine,
but down underneath, we're a civilizational people and we need
to fucking stand up for ourselves.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Forget my language, right, Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
At the core of being English people is we are
a monarchical people. We are, and again we have the
illusion that we don't have princes, but we vote for them,
we elevate them as entertainers and you know, et cetera,
that's all that same wiring. Because we're mammals, we're monkeys,
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and monkeys are wired for this. You cannot remove it. Okay,
make sure it's the right prince, and then come to
their defense because they're in all out war on our
behalf right now. They're doing everything they can to prevent
this step seven of this fricking kil chain. And yeah,
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of course they're doing it for themselves. They're the ones
with all the assets. But there are some of them
like Trump, like Elaonn like some of these others who
really and some that are names that people don't know
that aren't billionaires. There are hundreds of millions or tens
of millions, right there are these and at every level
you locally, et cetera, they are locked in all out
(42:03):
winner take all life or death literally. They shot Trump,
tried to shoot him again. They're locked in all out
life and death battle on our behalf, and we need
to remember who we are, remember our you know, coordinature,
and we need to come to their defense and stop
chasing all the fricking rabbits right and doves, and all
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the distractions that are put out by the financialists and
their intelligence communities, which is they own straight up.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Wow, well on that, because this has turned into a
much more lengthy interview, which I'd hoped it would, but
you never know. Em I just I can't thank you
enough for your willingness to come on and share with
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everybody your thoughts, which I hope everybody recognizes are are
not frivolous. They're not piecemealed together from you know, a
post over here and a post over there. But it's
it's years of life experience and and a deep passion
for actual history and and then more importantly where you
(43:16):
come from and who you are. And as a fellow
Englishman and Scotsman, uh you know Hathaway and Rutherford, I
I just, uh, I think that's probably why I I
gravitated towards your words and your thoughts. So thank you, sir.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah, I appreciate it. You're doing good work day. Appreciate
Now that you understand what the financialist kill chain is
and the seven steps to enslave people are well stand
by for what Ian Berling Game talks about and what
we're dealing with now. On the David Rutherford Show, this
just hit a whole nother court. I don't know if
you watch Tucker Carlson, but he just had a woman on,
(00:21):
Catherine Fritz, who used to be in the government, in
the Bush Senior government, and she ran kind of the
hud and she's got this great news site called Solari
and they do these very intense analysis of the economic
mismanagement or redirection of economies. And she actually had this
(00:46):
really fascinating seq segment of it where she was saying,
you know when you know, and she went back to
that famous you know, September tenth, two thousand and one
where Rumsfeld comes out and says, Yeah, we're on a
counted for two point seven trillion dollars. And what she
was hinting at her saying is that underneath all these structures, right,
(01:10):
I guess those structures of the seven the steps that
you were talking about, they're funneling money out of the
commoners into these other areas and other places through these
different types of systems. So for me, like, as you're
saying this, I'm like, whoa, here's a person that was
in and she actually was attacked for nine years, had
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to defend herself against the DJ They tried to destroy her.
She was an investment banker and all this, and they
tried to completely destroy her. And it's like because she
was exposing this these hidden secrets of where the money
is going and funneling to. And so that kind of
brings us up to the modern era post World War two,
(01:53):
after the British host was destroyed and it coming over
to New York and can you just talk, you know
a little bit about that and what you're seen up
until where we're at today and how that worked.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, So I did a series of you know, the
the the taking over, you know, the jumping host from
the British to the Americans started right.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Around World War One. World War One bankrupted the British Empire.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Straight up. And not only did it bankrupt the British Empire,
it killed all physically killed off their last princes. Forty
seven British noble and royal houses ended in World War One,
Wow ended and some of these families were over one
thousand years old, their connection with their people, the land.
They've been able to stand up to all this stuff
(02:47):
for centuries. They died in World War One? What happened
by their estates to the all Also, no, no, no, no,
crowd doesn't get that.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
That doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
No, the bankers and the industrials came about all that stuff.
Pennies on the dollar, wow, financialized that uses collateral in
the US to build up further the US. So where
this starts is prohibition. Prohibition is what launched the mob state.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
And I've done a.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Series of five or six tweet threads on the mob state.
I won't dig into that too much, but basically, massive
amounts of unearned liquidity poured into the system through illicit
You know, illicit means it's unearned liquidity, meaning it's cash, alcohol, alcohol,
all the gambling, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Mayor Lanski and all those guys. That prohibition broke the
US economy in the banks because the banks no longer
needed to maintain the complex logic of local economies. They
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just need to.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Figure out how to have enough of that going on
so that they could launder the money from the mob
That then they could you know, into their banks that
then they could lend out it your ten twenty thirty
times thirty times. Okay, World War two comes along, the
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Dulles brothers, right, and some others create the mobs, convert
the United States into the Mob state.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Law.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And that was because of what was going on in Italy. Right,
They were using the mob extentsively to run covert operations.
That was intelligence.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, that was later. That was later.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Okay, So forty one, nineteen forty one Operation Underworld happens,
and that's losing.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Gosh.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I can't remember his name right now, but you know
the Luciano.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
He was under Luciano, right, Yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
No, this was the top boss.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
This was actually using so it was Meyer Lansky and
I think Buggsy had already been killed by this time,
but it was it was that group, right, And it
was ostensibly about maintaining the ports free of spies and
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then to keep the sports from so there wasn't sabotage,
but in reality it was it was embedding the and
then it worked. They worked with the os s and
all of this because they had the routes. And but
if you look closely, the guy that was behind all
of it was Alan DoLS. And Alan DoLS was an
investment banker on Wall Street, Alan bank Uh. Alan DoLS
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was Hitler's banker. He was the Nazis banker. He was
the one that launderon and and this is all publican
So I'm not, you know, pulling stuff out of my
fourth point of contact as we like to say.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
As we like to say, I love that term.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So when the agency gets stood up and you know,
nineteen forty seven and you know, the new variant of
British intelligence and Galen uh Major Galen from from Germany,
from the German Army, right, the head of intelligence on
the Eastern Front, right, he gets you know, gets stood
(06:39):
up in the Galen organization and he's basically European intelligence.
And then later in early nineteen fifties they make him
head of German Intelligence. So the guy who was anyways,
the point is is that they embed this killchain infrastructure
in the form of the intelligence agencies and the investment
bankers and banking systems that founded them. Later on this
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spins out, you know, later on, this is what backs
the cartels and all of these other things. Because with
right now roughly a trillion dollars a year and on
earn liquidity coming in from you know, criminal you know,
trafficking basically human and otherwise. Right, the there hasn't needed
to be any reality to the US economy for the bankers,
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the big bankers.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
For over a century.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Wow, because all of this, all of this pours into this,
you know, into the banks. They launder it. They charge
about four and a half percent. Then that money gets
into the banks, sits in the banks, not just here in.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
The US, but overseas.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So a trillion dollars a year in the banks in
the you know, in the financialist system, lent out it
at least ten times. It's it's a ten trillion dollar.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Right a year, a year, a year. Yeah. So wow,
what need do you have of real economy.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
When you can just fabricate it through at.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Least fabricate it that. But that's not enough.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
You want more, that's right, Okay, you want more because
you want everything you can get.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
These are slavers that straight up their slavers. Okay, So
we don't do colonialism anymore, right, right, But if you
go to the former colonies, most of the banks are
colonial banks, you know, for historical reasons and you know,
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credibility and you know confidence in the banking system. Okay,
when we do military assistance dollars and they go to
a country, when the funds actually get message, you know
through the swift system get message, they go.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
In east bank that they go into, Yeah, i'mth.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
No, they go into an old colonial bank, which is
might go through the I M at well, an old
British bank or older bank, or an old Italian bank
or right or an old Swiss bank.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And that's the stuff Mike Benz is doing such yeoman's
work exposing right now.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So all of this aid that we put out every year,
all the foreign assistants dollars, all of the you know,
this is quite aside from the USA I D. That's
just the you know, the influence operation, right right, Quite
aside from that, all of the dollars that go out
and you know, let's say roughly a trillion dollars a
year that goes out ends up going in through maybe
(09:39):
it goes through a couple of cutouts, et cetera, but
it ends up in a former colonial bank in Kenya
or or Burkina Fas or somewhere else. Well where does
that money actually end up then if it goes into
the old colonial bank France Italy. Right, so this old
(10:00):
financialist infrastructure, you know, and a lot of it goes
through the city of London, or it doesn't necessarily go
through the city of London going that way, but coming
back as collateral, as liquidity, then it's you know, out
of the city of London, it's out of Amsterdam, it's
out of you know, et cetera, et cetera. So this
(10:21):
great flee scene and inbebting of the American people, just
like with the British, have come to their end. There's
no more to take and so the only step next
Now you know, they've got one through five done.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, what's next? Okay? And normally the way.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
They do it is they get you tied up in
a massive war. Now first off, though, they'll tie you
up in a generational war first, so that the next
major war that you fight there's no chance you're gonna win.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, what the hell was the g WAT generational war?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Generational war?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Right, we're exhausted, we're exhausted.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
We lost a lot of our best and not just killed,
but you know, guys are broken or they're exhausted or
they don't want any part of it anymore.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's right, right, And now what are they doing. They're
influencing their children to say, it's not worth it, don't
go fight, don't go. So they're cutting the legacy of
that strength that should be connected through the generations of
that patriot.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Correct, correct, Right, so that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
There is no loyalty anymore, not between the people and
the land, but the people in the state.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Right, there is none.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And that's part of the kill chain, right, you've got it,
that's everybody homogeneous. You've got to get rid of oligarchs
or princes and loyalties and all of that so that
when you collapse it and then you come in and
buy everything at pennies on the dollar so you can
collateralize your next kill chain in some other part of
the world that there's nobody there to there's nobody there
to fight you over it.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
And that's the thing that I struggle with now, is
like you would think that America is the ultimate place
to be able to run this financial scheme, if you will,
this conspiracy for longer periods of time than they've been
able to do it in the past. Right now, granted
(12:19):
you can look at the chunks of time have been
relatively two three, four hundred years out of crack. But
now it's it seems like it's almost speeding up. So
where could they possibly go? Because you had mentioned they
thought about China.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Because Yeah, I was in China as an investment banker
back in the early two thousand.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
They were already building the infrastructure. Wow, they were already building.
Xi was elevated. And there's one of the I wrote
an article about both putin Enerji here a few days ago.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's on I read that Really substack is that?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And I I've worked with Hu Jintao's son in investment
banking stuff that we were doing. Hu Jintao was helping
put the infrastructure in place, the Chinese premiere. It's why
he was removed. That's why g was elevated. She's ludicrously capable,
ludicrously capable. He's fiercely Chinese, and he's incorruptible.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, that's that's what's interesting. Lex Friedman just had a
brilliant guy who is a China expert on a couple
of weeks ago or a week ago or whatever, and
just listening to him and what was fascinating to him
to him. Is is that that that g is being
openly is openly commenting about the value of Confucism, right,
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which is the historical context of the underlying strength of
the Chinese hegemony, the development, right, as opposed to saying,
you know, no, we're staunch communism where it's been.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
They haven't been communists in thirty.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Years, right, they haven't been.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And the problem is they can't say that though, because
there are still many survivors of the Cultural Revolution, and
you can't.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
They have not acted and participated as communists in over
thirty years. They have not been communists over thirty years.
And most of the things that people hear about them
is just ludicrous garbage, right, right. And the fine Chinese
firewall is in place, but that's to prevent.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Color revolutions, right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's right to prevent the financialist kill chain from embedding
in China, right, right.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So who becomes the next host is it? Because it
can't be anything like India or South Africa?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Well they just tried to Yeah, well right now, I
think this whole Indo pack thing is an attempt to
move into India.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
That's what I'm feeling too.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I suspect it is.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, And I'm like, I'm paying close attention to Modi,
what he's saying. I'm watching what he's following, where he's at,
who he's meeting with. You know, I think that's the
real real target, because it's not only you know, if
China is resistant, how do you take China down? Well,
you've got one point for three billion people, but it's
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not gonna work.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It's not gonna work because you cannot fight over the
him Elias at all.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
It's possibility, You.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Just can't do it.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
You cannot fight a war over the humilias and Southern
China on the coast. Southern China is actually very mountainous
and very difficult. It's only Eastern China and northern China
that are unshielded, right right, So you're not going to
fight a war with the Chinese over If you want
an example of that, look to the Korean War. How
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does such a small number of people hold off millions
of fricking Chinese and North Koreans. I mean, it was
brutal and ugly and horrendous fighting, but you know, tens
of thousands of guys ultimately a couple one hundred thousand guys,
We're able to hold off millions.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
That's right, I think I think it was. It's the
thermopyline concept, right, you find the hot gates somewhere defend
that vigors. How about it? Like, is is it possible that?
I mean obviously what what what we've seen in the
last you know, six to nine years in Brazil? Is
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you know? And is Brazil potentially target? Do you go
down there next?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah? Possibly?
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Speaker 2 (17:31):
There isn't enough value to Brazil though, unfortunately, and there's
too much. They can already extract a good amount from
Brazil and they're not going to be able to hide
and protect themselves there. I wrote about this today and
published it today. But this thread over the last couple
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of weeks, which actually started with a question Alex Craner
was talking to uh Tom la Wongo about about a
week or so ago, you know, and he was trying
to figure out who is this really and where and
then so that got me down this path and then
I'm kicking myself, you know, having been in the leverage
by all days or on the other on the other side,
like why didn't I see this before? But timing is everything?
(18:19):
Uh I think that what I believe very firmly now,
given that they're not going to get the World war
no matter what they do, even with this predictive programming
of this, you know, supposed Wagner commander saying they're gonna
kill Putin, you know, or or he didn't say that,
but you know, he goes on the show, and then
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the next day we get all these threats against Putin
from the you know, the Ukrainian puppets.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
It's like, okay, that's I wish they'd get better screenwriters, obviously,
because it's all getting kind of boring and tedious.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's it's like the final season of Game of Thrones.
It's just kind of all the writing's gone to try,
gone to trash, just gone to trash. Right, It's like,
I think what.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
You have now is you've got you know, so many
different fractions vying for attention that that it's it's now.
It's like it gives the it's in my opinion, it's
exactly what what this this initiative, right, whatever you want
to call it, right, This initiative is like whether it's
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the Blob, the deep sit, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
They want that, They want fifty million different people giving opinions.
They want everybody classified as a psio. They want every
one of us to be pointing at each other and
going you're a part of it, You're a part of it, right,
and that's that's the gist of this whole thing, is
(19:50):
that what was the famous quote by I forget who
it was, but the head of the CIA. But it's like,
we know we've succeeded when nobody leaves it. Yeah, case,
when everybody, when everybody believes nothing, we've won.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Correct, And I think operations a success.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
That's all is is that it's failing, for sure, failing.
And the reason it's failing is the same reason that
it failed in the fourteen hundreds. What came out in
the fourteen hundreds was the printing press, and wow, it's
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the same reason it failed in England. And actually what
led to the establishment and creation of the English peoples.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
And we are a peoples, we are a civilization. There
are no ethnic English. England was a civilization launched by
one man after you know, Alfred the Great, and finally
brought about as a single whole under his grandson Athelstan.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
But really it goes back even earlier, you know, conces
and ideas before that, what did Alfred the Great do?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Alfred the Great.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Realized there was all these arguments and all these fighting,
and all these people, et cetera, and some spoke you know, Danish,
and some spoke Celtic and Gaelic and picked and he
was like, we're going and Latin, and the Catholic Church
was in there or getting in there, et cetera. And
he's like, eh, he made everything, he translated and converted
everything to English, made everybody you know, right, Well, what
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did it do? It opened all this information, all this
It made it much much harder for this, this operation,
you know, this deception operation to work. All right, Well,
printing press did that later?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
What did that do? Well?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That led to over a century of NonStop war, That's right, right,
as the truth started to come out and as people
realize things, well, well now we got this thing called
the internet.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
That hash they've been controlled.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
No longer, but no longer.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Why because some princes, oligarchs, But some princes said no more,
no more. Now did they say it because they themselves
were under threat?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh? Hell yes? Did they do it for the good
of the people, Yeah, somewhat.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Some of this some self preservation and correct like in
order to self, in order to preserve yourself. You can
see chaos around other places, so people redirect what they're angry.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
About or or in this case, the ones that gave
us the ability to communicate that adopt the censorship stuff.
They were like, no, we actually need the people.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
To protect us.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
We're going to have to give the people something that
they can use to protect themselves or they'll have no
reason to protect us. That's right, right, And this is
the this is the you know, the greatest you know, So,
what is the greatest lie? What is the greatest trick
the devil ever pulled?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Pretending that he didn't exist.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Getting us to believe that he didn't exist? What is
the greatest trick, the most destructive, dangerous trick the financialist
pulled getting us to believe that our princes were the problem,
that our princes were evil. Historically, it's never the people
who right who prevent the kill chain. It's not Putin.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
It's the people who elevated Putin and have kept him
in office all this time. It's not g.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You know, if you tried to have you know, the
communist era was a unique period. Those both happened because
a lot of the population been destroyed. War in China
came along because we've been feeding them with opium for
a century. We've been you know that finding we are
ready to collapse them. Right, We've been doing the same
thing with the Russians. The financials have been doing the
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same things with Russians. They were ready to execute the
step seven of the kill chain, right, that's why communism
happened in Russia. And those were foreigners, they were not
Russians that did that to Russians. Now that at the
low level, yes, but not at the top. Stalin was
a Georgian.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Right so right, and what Trotsky was a New Yorker, right,
Lenin was what he was exiled in Germany?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah so yeah, yeah, right, and Mao is not a
Han Chinese yep.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So two years back to the question, Okay, where are
they go next? I believe firmly they're trying to get
into India. I don't know that it's going to happen,
and I'm actually just randomly this week got asked to
get involved in some of those conversations.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So, Okay, what.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I suspect is that there there is no more host
for them to go to. They're not going to be
allowed anymore because it's it's become too obvious. I suspect
what they're what they're going to do, It's what I
would do if I was them. This is the resentfuls, right,
I called financialists because the resentfuls didn't connects with people
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some people, but it's you know, in the modern world,
how do the resentfuls wage their eternal war? Its this
financialist kill chain, right, And as I write about in
the eternal war, there's all these other supporting stuff, but
ultimately all of that's in support of this financialist kill chain.
I suspect what they're going to do is because you
can already see it. We've seen going from about nineteen
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trillion dollars in offshore wealth over one hundred maybe forty
trillion in the last twenty so odd years. I suspect
what they're going to do is escape off into their
Spider's web islands. You know, there's a great documentary called
The Spider's Web.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The oscription of what what it is and what what's
the problem is right. They're freaking Marxist though they did
the videos, so their prescription of what to do about
it is ludicrous, is tyranny, It's yeah, it's it's just childish.
But you know, sometimes these Marxists are pretty smart, and
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you know, not the wild, insane, crazy ones, but some
of the academics pretty smart.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I'm identifying what the problem is. I ever listened to
them on a solution.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Now that that that's categorically been proven to end up
with a few million people.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I'll listen to you on the helicopter write up as
you tell me what the problem is. When when we
get to the point where you're gonna tell me the solutions,
I'm gonna throw you out of the helicopter.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I love it Montana vibes, but I this is what
I suspects happening is they're not going to get their
world war no matter what, it's not going to happen
because that goes nuclear fast.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, but we're not also going to allow a slow,
steady grind to where it kills off. You know, we're
not going to allow them to do that kind of
a collapse.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So what I suspect.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They're going to slip into their their little island hideouts
and their bunkers and everything else offshore and their wealth,
offshore wealth, and they're going to use the cartels and
gi Hotti, you know they you know what was the
g WAT.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
G WAT was another corporate hostile takeover.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
We took over control, they took over control of all
the terrorist organizations, criminal organizations. That's what it was. And
it's like, oh, you're making that up. No, who were
we paying? Who do we just pay to take over Syria?
And who just paid to take over you know who's
fighting on with the Ukrainians right now.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Isis why are we paying the Taalban forty million dollars
a week? Oh?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
And we armed them.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
With eighty six billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
We armed them and we and we spent twenty years
training them all of our tactics, techniques and you know,
all of our teaching, all of our everything.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I just don't on purpose.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
When I was I was in working for the agency,
I was in one area and right around there was
a British training facility and I would we would go
over and cite our weapons in and all that stuff
over there. And I remember talking to some of the
Brits and these are you know, these aren't sas guys.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Or anything like.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
They're just they're just pogues out there, you know, getting
it done. And they were training they would have these
classes of Afghan you know a Ana guys ampie yeah, ye,
And and they were training them. And I went up
to these I'm like, dude, how many guys? And they're like,
we do four hundred guys every month. And I go,
that's a ton of dudes. He's like yeah, and I go,
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that's pretty short amount of time. He's like telling me
because I was back when now, like the Afghan on
on trainer was happening all the time. A bunch of
a bunch of green braves got killed during that era.
And and I was like, well, you know, how what's
your bleed off? How many do you lose? And he
said about forty percent. So it's like one hundred and
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eighty dudes out every month. Right, we're taking their training,
their equipment, their kit, and immediately graduating, going to their
provinces and then immediately going to work for whomever it is, right,
whatever it is, whoever, that's right.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
You know what? You know what the g Wat was right?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
G Watt was so calmverse, you know, was Tampa versus Langley.
I mean, the more I look at it, it was like
it was like anybody.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Describe it so perfectly. I never thought, well, I mean
I I I was right, you know, not even a
year later, I remember I go into the talk and
Bogram and I'm you know, I'm the intel guy, and
I'm like, okay, hey man, you know, where can we
go and what do we can we do? And they're like, well,
(30:08):
you know, get out of here. We can't give you anything.
We're not in control of it, blah blah blah. I'm like, well,
who is, Well, it's not us. But and I remember
the Aussies came in the gates and those beautiful lorries
they had, and I went up to him and I
was just like, hey, guys, I'm you know, I'm running.
Nice to meet you. And they look like they've just
(30:28):
been in it, you know, and I'm like, what how
are you doing this? And they were saying, well, we
go in, we pester through the powers that be, and
they give us some just random section of the country
and they say, go over here, this is your area.
You can do whatever you want. And instead of us
putting in you know, op orders, right, we would just
(30:52):
say we're doing reconnaissance and they'd go. They they'd set
up these you know, twenty day reconnaissance missions on these areas,
figure out where the bad guys were, and then they
would drive their lorries right into the middle of these
little villages. And just pick a fight. And so they were.
They were getting into it every time. So I go in,
(31:12):
I go to, you know, our guys, and I'm like, hey,
this is what they're doing. And and I went in.
I's like, hey, can we get an area? Now, no,
you're not getting anything. So finally we moved down to
Kandahar and and I went in same thing because now
we're it's you know, big you know what is it
asaf you know multi Ever, we're all in the same
(31:36):
little area right at the airport, and we go in
and we're like, all right, where's our area? We got
an area and it was down by spin Bulldock in
the desert of death, right on the Pakistani border, where
cowbands running back and forth, you know, the whole thing.
And we had discovered that the you know, the agency
had a couple safe houses running in spin Bulldock doing
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all kinds of things. So we're like, all right, we're
gonna partner with them. We're to go down, We're gonna
set up urban reconnaissance, start track and do the whole thing.
And then we'll we'll in our little dpvs, we'll wrap
these DEDs up as they come across these points. In
the middle of the desert to death and we'll you know,
we'll get something done. Shut down, you're not going anywhere,
you're not doing anything. And that's when I was like, dude,
(32:20):
we don't run this thing. DoD doesn't have any control
of this at all. And that was like my wake
up call, like, oh my god, wait a minute, there's
a lot, there's a whole nother thing going on that
I'm so naive. And that was really the impetus of
(32:42):
me starting to pay closer retention, Well, if I'm doing this,
I know it's not what it is, but what is it?
And slowly and slowly, over time, you know, I was
able to get to a place where I got a
pretty good idea of what was going on. But in
the last obviously the less you know, I think really
(33:02):
the Afghan pull out was where the veil finally fell, right,
and so now like it's been exposed, and then in
particular with what DOGE is doing, and because now we
have the money trails that are running all this stuff,
and the battle that's going back and forth between d
O D and their push against beat and all this
stuff that's and it's like you can see the foundation
(33:24):
is rattled. Yes, And that's what I think is so
beneficial now for the people, for the common, for the
for the people that really still believe in the greater
context of what the American dream is. The more they
understand that and the more they have this opportunity in
this space that is what modern media or modern whatever
(33:47):
it is, access to, you know, those diamonds in the
rough of the madness of the crazies of whatever. But
when you get down these these these these right to
go back to you know, the Venetian these canals, if
you were, the tributaries of of influence and truth. People
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are starting to understand how the river flows. And that's
why I think what you're doing is so powerful and
so educational. I mean, it's really about education. It's about
teaching the American public what has been kept from them
for so long, what was kept from the British, what
was kept from the Dutch and so on.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
How do we how do we so.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
How do we keep them from executing Step seven. We
can't prevent them from from anitie and they already have, right,
it's it's already moving. But how do we prevent them
from succeeding in Step seven so we don't collapse.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
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Speaker 3 (35:32):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I'm not terribly super smart, but when I get on something,
I'll stick on it for years, sometimes decades, even until
I kind of understand it. And because I'm not, I've
got a I've got a pretty good memory for concepts
and ideas. I got a horrible memory for names and
dates and title.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
You're pretty awesome today, so what I appreciate it, but
you know, it's like I can't keep up well, you know,
like James Lindsay, that's what he does. He does, He's
got these whole tables and listen. I'm like, that's too complex,
too complex. I'm not an eighteen Bravo. I was an
Echo and a Fox, right, but sometimes I really get
the Bravos.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Like, ah too much, too much?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, gunpoint that way, boom right, Yeah they fall down?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Good, what's next to it? Yeah? Reengage reacquire.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
So the point is for me is like I got
to simplify things down right and in the process, and
I gotta bless my Scottish mother for helping me see
this when I was young. We've got to get back
to first principles. If we're going to prevent the collass,
we got to get back to first principles. And we
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need to stop letting them tell us who the enemy
is and what the enemy is and how the enemy works.
And when you get to that and you let go
of all of these things that were so emotionally attached to, which, again,
being half Scottish and half English, I'm emotionally attached to
much of anything.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Uh. She probably is an advantage, it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Is for this stuff, I'll tell you, right.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Isn't it both the Scandinavian descent before that. So yeah,
but you know, we've got to simplify. We've got to simplify,
We've got to reduce. We need to not chase there.
You know, if there's anything that is put in the
public domain, now that's that triggers an emotional response to you.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
It's a it's a fake out. We're at that point.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
And if there's something that's out there from a trusted source,
et cetera, and it's pretty blase and mellow and calm,
should probably look at that. It's like the it's you know,
in Green Berets, we have the old warrant you know,
the warn officer ing. It's like that out of shape, broken,
long haired warrnt officer who's just you know, you never
know if he's drunk or not.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Sitting in the back of the team, sitting.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
In the back. He rarely even shows up.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
She's never there for pt the morning, right, never cleans
his weapons.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Right. But every once while he'll show up say something.
You're like, what does he just say?
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
And then you're like, of, you know, and it's like
those are the kind of people you need to watch
for now.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
It's like, what does he just say? What is that?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
But any of the sensational emotional stuff, it's it's either
somebody who themselves are in emotional space, which is a lot.
And we all got our you know, most of us,
i'd pretty much don't anymore. We all got our triggers.
You know, are are things that we're you know, some operation,
especially the soft guys and the Intel guys, some operation,
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some area of expertise that we got somewhere in the world,
and we're charged up by that, you know. Unfortunately, knowing
a lot of soft guys in the Intel guys, most
of them don't know what the hell they're talking about
because they don't realize that the whole framing, like you
were talking about when you were down in Southeast Afghanistan,
entire frame being was a lie, right, you know, the
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they you know again it's it's Langley script writers in Tampas,
scriptwriters writing the episodes, and we're all playing within these episodes.
But it's scripting and not always intentionally just but you know,
so we got to get back to first principles.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
We got to get back local and small.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
We've got to stop paying attention to things that are
you know, if they can't shoot me, blow me up,
and they can't get to me within three or four
days to shoot and blow me up.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
That that's going to be the next T shirt for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Right, it's like, honestly beyond that, What the hell am
I worrying about?
Speaker 3 (39:50):
That's right, So we need to stop, you know, you know,
all of this other kind of.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
It's just no sensation.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
The other that we have to pay attention to is
that we we really are still English. We are the
English civilization. We are a civilization. We can all hate
each other in angry and battle with each other, but
we are a civilization like some of the greatest civilizations
that have ever been. And yes, we're Americans, but Americans
are English. We are the English peoples. And that includes
(40:23):
the Irish and the Scots, and the Welsh and the Brittannese.
And it does include some of the old core members
of the British Empire from India and Pakistan. It's why
that does matter because they're also riddled throughout our own,
you know, the old parts of the empire. But we
are English civilization. We have certain sets of principles and
we need to get back to those as the people.
(40:44):
Forget all this other stuff, forget all of the you know,
the religious stuff and all that. If you're religious, that's fine,
but down underneath, we're a civilizational people and we need
to fucking stand up for ourselves.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Forget my language, right, Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
At the core of being English people is we are
a monarchical people. We are, and again we have the
illusion that we don't have princes, but we vote for them,
we elevate them as entertainers and you know, et cetera,
that's all that same wiring. Because we're mammals, we're monkeys,
(41:20):
and monkeys are wired for this. You cannot remove it. Okay,
make sure it's the right prince, and then come to
their defense because they're in all out war on our
behalf right now. They're doing everything they can to prevent
this step seven of this fricking kil chain. And yeah,
(41:41):
of course they're doing it for themselves. They're the ones
with all the assets. But there are some of them
like Trump, like Elaonn like some of these others who
really and some that are names that people don't know
that aren't billionaires. There are hundreds of millions or tens
of millions, right there are these and at every level
you locally, et cetera, they are locked in all out
(42:03):
winner take all life or death literally. They shot Trump,
tried to shoot him again. They're locked in all out
life and death battle on our behalf, and we need
to remember who we are, remember our you know, coordinature,
and we need to come to their defense and stop
chasing all the fricking rabbits right and doves, and all
(42:27):
the distractions that are put out by the financialists and
their intelligence communities, which is they own straight up.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Wow, well on that, because this has turned into a
much more lengthy interview, which I'd hoped it would, but
you never know. Em I just I can't thank you
enough for your willingness to come on and share with
(42:55):
everybody your thoughts, which I hope everybody recognizes are are
not frivolous. They're not piecemealed together from you know, a
post over here and a post over there. But it's
it's years of life experience and and a deep passion
for actual history and and then more importantly where you
(43:16):
come from and who you are. And as a fellow
Englishman and Scotsman, uh you know Hathaway and Rutherford, I
I just, uh, I think that's probably why I I
gravitated towards your words and your thoughts. So thank you, sir.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah, I appreciate it. You're doing good work day. Appreciate
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