April 14, 2025 • 62 mins
The Trump administration has proposed using Federal lands to build affordable housing in order to address the home affordability crisis in America. Many people, including today's guest Braxton McCoy, have pointed out that this move could have disastrous impacts on long-standing local cultures and communities. Today, David Rutherford talks with Braxton McCoy about this policy proposal and why Braxton believes his culture should be defended from this housing push.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Within every new administration, they're always looking to do big things.
This administration, one of their big things they want to
do create seven million new low income housing for people
that are struggling to find new homes.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We have so much land and we want to put
it to you.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So we're going to have land release and on that
land we're going to build housing. We're going to have
housing building. Well, guess what that might be a problem
for the people in the areas that they want to
put these homes. Today we welcome Braxon McCoy, former VET
Purple Heart recipient and author, who's going to talk about
what that could look like to the local cultures. This
(00:38):
is the David Rutherford Show. There's not many cats out
on the internet the interwebs that are are are talking
as much truth as our guest today. And if you
know anything about him, if you've ever seen them on
the Jocko Willing podcast or you've seen some of his
(00:59):
great video is on YouTube. Man, what I always recommend
is just follow him on x He's probably one of
the guys that I follow most. Pay attention to what
he's saying. Why because he talks from the heart and
it's truthful and Also he's a g wat savage like
I am. So ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, mister Braxon, McCoy, Braxon, man,
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thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
This is in particularly around this topic. This is a
big deal for me. So I'm just glad. Anyway, anyone
who will listen, I will holler at on this one.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well, this is let's just get into it. I mean, so,
you know, the HUD secretary and and you know another
one of the Trump officials came out a little bit ago.
They posted this crazy article in the Wall Street Journal
where they were talking about wanting to build seven million
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new homes on federal land. Why does that insent you
as much as it does, brother, h Well, there's.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
A few there's a few things at play here.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
For first of all, I just don't want you to
ruin the land for one. And then two, the culture here.
I think a lot of people from other states don't
realize how fragile these Mountain West states are. I mean,
they're they're high land mass, low population density.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
So so let's take Wyoming for example. There's about five
or six hundred thousand people in Wyomen. You move one
hundred thousand people into that state, and you can flip
the electorate. And I don't mean, you know, just at
the federal level. Locally too, you know, you turn like
you turn Cheyenne into a tiny version of Denver, and
all of a sudden, the locals in uh in uh
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Wyoming there turned into you know, it becomes Colorado essentially
like rule by executive fiat from you know, this little
population center. So that's that's one, and then two just
culturally now, I mean, these are my people.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I grew up here.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I'm if any thing. I am a man of the
Mountain West. I mean, it's been my life. You know,
this place has been the only life I've ever known.
I've lived in two cities, Salt Lake City when I
was going to community college and Bramadi.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You know, so.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's fucking awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I don't even know which one I hated worse, to
be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I'm willing to bet it was Salt Lake man. Not no,
no shame on anybody. Salt Lake got a good friend,
Evan Hayfer, lives out there. I love going to visit him.
But but you know, at least in Ramady, you know
what you get every day.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Right, Yeah, at least having fun sometimes, you know, all right, man.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I So obviously I think, in my opinion, a lot
of this was politics. Uh. Yes, there is a housing
crisis out there. I mean you look at uh, you know,
everybody wants to say Blackrock, Backrock, Backrock, but you know
they don't directly own anything, but they own huge stakes.
(04:07):
And all of these companies that are out there gobbling
up homes. You've got Blackstone that owns you know, sixty
somehi thousand homes and apartment complexes. You know, it's created
this crisis for regular folks and not being able to
buy homes, not being able to start their family, not
(04:27):
be able to you know, get a taste of that
American dream. Is there any aspect about that that you
think is genuine and that we should evaluate in this
kind of the the first part to kind of deconstruct
this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I haven't verified this, but I've read that eighty percent,
fully eighty percent of Utah's state legislature has direct ties
to real estate and development. So I think if you
want to know why this is happening, there's your answer.
I think the housing shortage is largely a myth I
think it's a joke, like i've you know, jokingly said
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other places. Every boomer I know owns fourteen homes. I
think that's part of.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
It, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
And then also, like the thing you have to remember
is that the West is young, right, So that's that
is true that the Apache War officially ended in like
nineteen twenty five. You know, this is a very young place.
My great grandfather's first job title was Indian Fighter, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So, dude, when you posted those patches, that whole thread
right there in the comments, that was one of the
coolest things I saw. Man, tell me about your grandfather,
how when was he out there first? And like how
long has your family been in the region, I.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Mean since the eighteen fifties, eighteen forties, Wow, yeah, I mean,
well my my my grandfather's grandfather come here from the Ozarks.
So on that one side, you know, there's one line
that came here from Arkansas about I don't know, one
hundred years ago or something. But the rest has been
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here since time in Memoriam, so long as this has
been a place essentially, I mean since Colter carved it
out of nothing for us, right, and then of course
bringing me young into pioneers. But the point here is
so it is it is a young place. But you
have to remember that cities and developments happen either organically
or artificially, and there's been at least one hundred years
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worth of time for these places to grow, and they
never grew without artificial Inputso Mike Lee trying to force
you know, I hate to keep picking on Mike Lee,
but he is a driving force behind this. I you know,
I don't hate the guy. I think he's probably a
decent guy. He's not from Utah, so there's that that
kind of grinds my gears a little bit. Born in
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Arizona but raised in you know, DC private schools, and
he's a very bright guy.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's just he's not reflective.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Of Utah as anyway, his he, among others, their Silicon
Slopes project in Utah, has been a disaster for the locals. Sure,
the graph has gone up, you know, number go up,
charts go up, whatever, Utah's GDP has grown. But now
a home, a home in my hometown is four hundred
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fucking thousand dollars. My hometown is two hundred people. We
were out numbered by cows, probably eight hundred to one.
You know, no one can afford a four hundred thousand
dollars home. And this is happening because of you know,
like I say, these artificial inputs trying to turn you know,
salt like the Utah Valley essentially into Silicon Valley. I mean,
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this is fake inorganic growth. They lobbied to get this
data center put in the NSA data center number go up, great, wonderful,
But you parked it on mule your habitat and winter range.
You know, it was straight on a corridor that used
to keep winter mule deer who winter in the Ochre
Mountain range alive, you know, and now it's it's paved
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over with a data center. This kind of stuff matters
to me. But back to the original point. They haven't
grown organically. They've only grown artificially. And they're still and
that is still happening to this day. Take a town
like Salmon, Idaho. It's a tourist town essentially. Now originally
it was, you know, a ranching farm community. You know,
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that's where patron Saint of Idaho, elmer Keith, you know,
lived up there. All of that growth surrounding tourism is
itself in many ways artificial.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It's propped up by our bullshit economy.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
These people can have a tech job where they're working
for you know whomever.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
To pick on anybody, and then they get a remote
job and they moved to Salmon, Idaho. And the kid
whose family's been there for five generations now can't buy
twenty acres to put his family on and raise some
horses and cattle because it's over a freaking million dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I believe, personally, I believe most of the growth in
the West is artificial. To begin with, the populations of Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Montana,
and Colorado have all doubled since the year two thousand.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Which one of those places has gotten better for locals?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Not one, right, not one? You know. My thing is
when I was a kid, right, and I'm from South Florida.
My thing, all right, we're going out to Colorado. That
was the big West. We're going skin and my parents
loved it so much they were able to buy a
teeny little condo out in Snow mass Well, for twenty
(09:39):
years it kind of stayed somewhat normal, and then it
just shifted and it made it absolutely completely crazy. And
now I hear about like the other crazy is how
much you know bok ratone has repopulated asp and how
much boak ratone is out in Montana? How much? Ok?
(10:00):
And it's all these either southern California, East coast, southern
you know, southern Florida. There is exactly what you're saying.
They're going out and they're kind of rebranding this place
as their new mecca for extravagance without any inclination of
the impact. And so you talked a little bit about
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the impact on natural habitats, You talked about economic opportunities
for locals. What are some of the other bigger ideas
that you see are going to be catastrophic for the
people that are born and raised in these areas.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Number One, I care about my culture, right, and so
anything that damages my culture I view as a bad thing.
The reason Denver feels like it could be parked in
New England. It feels like Massachusetts with mountains now when
you go there. The reason it feels like that is
because it's filled with people from Massachusetts, right. So I
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don't want my culture degraded or destroyed. And I particularly
hate people despise. And I know I'm not supposed to
be as a Christian, but man, do I despise people
that come here and spit on the history, you know,
the people who made it, like the Mormons whatever. I'm
not a Mormon myself, but a lot of my family
was it is now and was then, and I think
it's disgraceful to spin on. So Number one, I don't
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want to see my culture erased. That's and I know we're,
you know, on the right wing side of politics. We're
not supposed to give us a shit about this kind
of thing. It's just supposed to be graph go up numbers.
This libertarianism is a cancer in my view, that is
what I would say.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I care about why why libertarianism in particular.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Because their number go up everything.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
The measure of a good and healthy society is a
strong GDP if you're a libertarian, at least so far
as I can glean from the outside. And I used
to consider myself regrettably, God forgive me one of these people.
So culture is big to me. I really care. I
want my kids to grow up the way I did.
In fact, a buddy of mine, we call him Cowboy
(12:06):
Scott he was over here last night.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
He's a hell of guy, used to be a bron crider.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
He's been cowboy in his whole life, right, And we
were talking about how when I and this man's you know,
mid sixties or early sixties, something like that, and we
were talking about how when I was a kid, the
thing people would the thing that would offer you to
hear at the bunk house or at Brandon Penn's. This
kind of stuff was h that's the last of the cowboys,
you know, they point to somebody's crab car or something.
(12:31):
Cowboys are dead. It's over.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And then you know, I turned forty, and somehow we're
still around doing this. Right.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
However, it's getting damned close, you know, it's getting real close.
I live in about as western a place as you
could possibly live in, and every kid I've tried to
hire to come ride colts for me as quick because
it's too hard. Eventually they get bucked off on time
and they're done. And so that culture is dying. It
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really is, and it is. It makes me very nervous
because it's a it's a powerful thing. But I would
argue it more pragmatically. When I was talking about flipping electorates.
The Mountain West is basically a firewall, you know, or
has been. You know, it's not a lot of electoral votes,
but they're reliable. Well, you flip Idaho, Montana, Utah, Colorado's
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already gone, Arizona's I mean, man, for it went from
red to purple to probably blue in the span of
about twenty years. You flip all those you can't win
a national race again, forget it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You know it's over.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And if I mean, I feel the same way, I
think that's intentional. I think it's one hundred percent what
the whole thing I mean, you you know, you talk,
you listen to some of the statistics that Elon Mosk
has been using in a lot of the interviews he's doing,
and you know, the whole pretense behind the immigration invasion
is to do just that. Right first, you target you know,
(13:59):
you put sixty thousand Haitians out in Springfield, Ohio. You know,
then you you know, you put them in all these
other you know, what are the swing states. But what
people aren't seeing is that they're absolutely going out those
those those definitive you know, western red states. They're they're
dumping people in there as well too. And I think
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that's what that's what was so perplexing to me with
this statements like, oh, let's go out and build low
income housing in these areas that were traditionally like are
are are are our hotbed of of like that we
know that culture that carved out the West, that really,
(14:42):
in my opinion, you know, you can argue probably you know,
three different time frames around around American history and certainly
the the the exploration West, you know, head West young Man, right,
and Horatio Algert. You know that that rugged individualism of
Theodore Roodsvelt Man. Now we're like, that's that's part of America.
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Like and if you strip that away, man, it's almost
like that's one of those hills that if they can
they can defeat, if they can knock us off that hill,
that that creates this cataclysmic shift to reshape in what
I think, you know, and I don't think it's just
like like we're trying like a lot of people think.
I don't think it's just Democrats or or or or Libertarians.
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I think there's a huge component of of of Republicans
that see this as a financial hotbed of development. And
you talked a little bit about that in some of
the posts you did recently, like these people don't give
a shit what your political party. They just want to
make money.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
So the question also, yeah, sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt you.
I want to make one point here. They're also lying
their asses off when they tell you it's hundreds of
trillions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
They are lying through their fucking teeth.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I sat down one day and calculated, just for the
hell of it, what the action fair market value of
all of the BLM and forest land in Idaho would
go for. And it ad actual fair market value, not
pyeing the sky bullshit, fucking made up numbers. I used
about thirty five hundred dollars an acre as an average
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if I'm recalling the formula that I used correctly, which
is about what it would be, you know, because some
people will say, oh, well, look over in Teeton Valley,
it's about twenty five thousand and acre. Yeah, fucking retard.
That's irrigated seat potato land. That's not desert.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
So if you use about thirty five hundred and acre average,
which is probably going to get you pretty damn close
to an average, you run into about one hundred billion
dollars one hundred billion. So I don't know where in
the hell these people are coming up with this hundreds
of trillions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
It's completely fucking made up. It's not real.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
If you sold it all off at fair market, it
would not come close to one hundred trillion, not even
fucking close. And that's not to say anything. I'm getting
fired up. I think I burst a vessel in my eyeball.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
There.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Don't do that, man, don't do that. We don't want
another ten years of recovery. We need you just we
need you locked in the way you are so slow down, man,
I know that TBI is rattling around right now. Let's
pull the brakes back on that sucker.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, man, they're lying, and so you have to it
goes because I know they're lying. It's obvious to go
do the math on your own. And that's not that's
not even to address who's gonna buy this shit. Oh
and then another dumb ass thing. They'll always say, Oh,
it needs to be homesteaded. Okay, the Second Homestead Act
was one hundred and forty acres.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
All right, you know what you.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Can do with one hundred and forty acres in most
of this place, maybe raise a couple of horn toads,
you know, you might, you might be able to farm rattlesnakes.
You ain't doing shit with one hundred and forty acres
in this country. Some of these ranches in Nevada are
five hundred thousand acres. And then that way because they've
got they've got strays they haven't seen in ten fucking years,
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you know, because because it's it's just, man, it ain't
nothing but damn a little bit of great brayce and
rye crested wheat, and you know, a bush or two
here and there.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's not like Kentucky, you know, right.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
The reason we run allotments that are fifty one hundred
thousand acres a piece, some of them are bigger than that,
is because that's all you that's what it takes to
put about a eight hundred head of catal on. You know.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
So it's not These people are just they don't even
know what the hell they're talking about. However, the politicians do.
And this is where I would like to see, okay,
if you and then there's a whole other issue here.
I was talking about the culture. I'd like to hear
how somebody likes Senator Lee. Again, I think he's a
good guy, not like trying to say he's a terrible person.
(18:39):
I'd like to hear how Senator Lee would feel if
if you could push a button sell off all the
land in Utah and double the population, but the people
that came in were all Hindus from India. How do
you feel about that? So Utah goes from about three
and a half million to seven million?
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Is that a good thing? You know?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Now you've got three million people worshiping Vishnu in Utah.
Do you think Utah is still Utah? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, I don't. I think and this is this is
the whole idea. I think that, you know, what what
needs to happen is there has to be a better
context of the argument that's being presented to these people
instead of you know, I mean, we're I know, me
having gone through with what we went through, you know,
(19:30):
in the g Watt and then what we watched from
what we realized from Iraq, what we've realized from Afghanistan.
Like you know, I'm not a sucker anymore, you know,
And I think that's what happens, you know, you go
get shot at once or twice and you watch your
buddies die, and that kind of wakes you up to
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the point where it's like, hey man, you know I
believed it before, but I'm not going to believe it now.
And so what are the things? Is that are the
the what are the ways that these arguments need to
take place? So you know, if if if if if
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Center Lee were to reach out to you Braxton and say, hey,
what what do you think we should do? What would
be your suggestion? If if if centeror Lee were to
(20:34):
reach out to you Braxton and say, hey, what what
do you think we should do? What would be your suggestion.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I've spoke to him in his office in DC.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I don't think he likes me very much, but uh,
one of the things I would say is just stop
touching it, because I don't want you to touch it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And my my.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
My culture and my land and my heritage is non
nasset on a fucking balance sheet.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So that's my starting point.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
And I know that from his point of view, this
is like nativist protectionism. You know, whatever words they want
to throw at me that they think are pejorative, I
will just proudly wear Okay, so there's a starting point
as far as like what to do with this housing problem. Well,
in twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four, the vast
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majority of population growth in Utah was driven by international migration.
So there's a starting point. Cut that freaking shut that
faucet off. Okay, let's start there. But he doesn't want
to do that. He wants to pay off developers he's.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Constantly talking about.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And don't forget that this man originally tried to sell
the Lands Act in Utah, saying that it was to
preserve the land because they weren't going to sell it off,
you know. And I was like, oh, bullshit. You know
you've been trying to sell it from my whole freaking life. Well,
and then as soon as that failed, he just flipped
and now it's selling it again. It's like, well, you
were always trying to sell it. But so anyway, start
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with cutting off international migration, both illegal and legal. I
am so I don't again, I do not care what
labels they pin on me anymore. I don't want one
more damn immigrant in this country until we can figure
out what in the hell is going on. And I
would like Tom Homan Airways to get rid of about
fifty million, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Oh, and on that to that.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four number that wasn't just Utah,
by the way, that was America as a whole.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, and our birth rate, crazy, dude, Our birth rate
is in free fall right now. So what they're arguing is, well,
we're our country is going to die if we don't
bring people in. And my argument would be, okay, so
it either dies of like a civilizational suicide on one
hand via birth rate, or it dies because you just
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turned it into India. That's like, what's the different. It's dead.
It's dead either way. And I would also argue that
besides the hedonistic again, you know, I make no I
hide nothing here. I'm a Christian. But I would argue
that this hedonistic bullshit culture of you know, fourteen bodies
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by the time you're twenty five years old and all
of this stuff is part of the problem. It's a
big part of the problem. But another thing that's driving
this nihilism is because these kids are watching themselves be replaced,
they're watching it happen.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And they're being conditioned to believe it's a good thing.
That's what kills me. That's what kills me. Is like
wait and and and again. I you know, it's real
easy to go and you know, point the finger, well
this is going, this is going, and this is going,
you know, And like I look at the way my
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kids are being taught, and I look at the way
American history is being aught to them too, and it's
shocking to me. And so every time I said, all right,
what do you studying in history? And they come back
and you know, the Chinese are responsible for building the railroads,
and I'm like, okay, or or you know what the
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American you know, the American pilgrimage West, all that all
they're responsible for is is killing Native Americans. I'm just
like you start to go, wait a minute, all right,
so when's the when's the part where oh no, these
people actually built the foundation not only of how to
survive in these places, right, but how to make it
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useful and how to contribute to the culture of what
America became known as.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I mean, you know, every I don't give it. I
don't give a damn. In my generation, when you're growing up,
what do you want to do? You want to play
army man. You want to play cowboys and Indians, right,
And I grew up in the most non you know,
tough place on a planet, so like it was, it
was even more meaningful me for you know, for me
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to want to pretend that I was part of this,
you know, this this savage culture out there that that
grinded it out in the midst of of of of
the wild West.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I mean, that's what was inspiring to me. I mean,
I think it was a major component for me wanting
to serve, for me believing in America. How do you start?
How do we re engage the next this younger generation
and get them to say that they do get knocked
off that that coal, and to pick them up and say,
(25:38):
all I get back on son, like, what do you think?
What do we do?
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You have to do it in your house first, But
more broadly, I would say, we need, uh, we we
need to just reinvigorate.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
We already have enough, miss. We just need to reinvigorate them.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Kids need to know about Daniel Boone and David Crockett, uh,
and they need to know out guys like Oliver Loving
and good Night and again I saw a grown man
the other day. And I'm not picking on him, but
he made a comment to me. He said, uh, well,
Idaho falls in Montana and from Idaho falls up became
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that way because of people like Gus and Woodrow from
you know, from the movie right or the book. Then
not really fantastic, but uh, that was patterned off of
good Night and Loving, you know. And that was from
South Texas to New Mexico through through Commanche and Apache country.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Right. They didn't that wasn't didn't go to Montana. That's
a movie, man, you know. I'm not saying nobody did it, but.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
That largely the cattle industry was going, uh for a
while anyway, was going to railroads from from the north
southward and from the south northward.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
So anyway, the point of bringing that up is to say,
we've got grown men that don't know their myths, you know,
and these people are real. John Colter is a real guy,
you know. I mean, he's needed in hell. He came
out just to choose one John Colter. This guy signs
up for the Grand Expedition with Meriwether, Lewis and Company. Right,
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they go out and have what could be argued one
of the greatest adventures that any men have ever in history.
I mean, it's an incredible story. He goes out, does that,
gets back to Saint Louis and goes, you know what,
I'm fucking going back over there, you know. So he
gets one dude and goes up to Blackfoot country in Montana.
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And for anybody who's not from this area, the Blackfeet
were like our comanches. They were killing sobs man, they
were not messing around. So he goes up there with
one other dude and you know, traps all these beavers
and he's coming back with their boats full of beavers,
and these Blackfeet are standing on the side of the
river and they say, hey, come over here, buddy, and
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Coulter decides to paddle in, and he's like, I'm dead
if I stay out. They're gonna kill me if I
stay out, so I might as well go. Try to negotiate. Yeah,
his buddy says, piss off, piss up a rope. I'm
gonna stay on my boat, and they kill him. So
he watches his buddy die and then they strip colt
Or naked and they say, okay, here's your chance to
get away. They pick you know, how good can you run?
(28:20):
And he's like, I can't run for shit, and they're like,
well run anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
You know, he lied. He actually could run real good.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
But so he runs, takes off, you know, and he
runs until his nose is bleeding, that's how exasperated he is.
And then this Indian catches up to him, trips, breaks
his lance. Colter picks up the broken lance, kills the
Indian that was trying to kill him, naked, all this
with his pecker flop roked, you know, and then he
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jumps in the river and hides in a beaver dam.
You know, he swims up into a beaver dam, hides
he can hear these blackfeet going around him all night,
you know, a circle and looking for him.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Waits that out. Can you imagine how effing cold a
freaking beaver dam.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Would be the whole, you know, So he hides in there,
and then he gets out and he hikes his ass
to you know, the nearest army out post, and then
you know, uh is back in civilization.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
This way.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Then this crazy son of a bitch goes to Saint
Louis and he rounds up eighteen more guys and goes
back and then they all get killed and he finally says,
you know what, I've had enough.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I need to check myself.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah. So we the myths are there, we just need
to teach them to our kids.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I would argue, if you ask somebody in our generation
to define, uh, just in single words, define an American,
they're gonna use stuff like, you know, self reliance and
you know, hard working and this kind of all of
those parts of what we use to define an American.
Ass We're born out of the pioneers in the Frontier.
It's not the revolution, not that the revolution wasn't important,
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it's we defined ourselves out here, and so we just
need to teach this stuff to our That's what we
have to do. But you can't teach them to be
proud of themselves when they go to in their ancestry,
when they go to kindergarten in some whale with green
hair and a fucking septum piercing, it's telling them that
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their grandpa was a racist asshole who killed Indidans.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
You know, you can't.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
That doesn't work, man. I think that that contradiction is
just right for all kinds of conflict. But I you know,
the way I feel about it now is I'm I'm
I'm about done with it though, Like I my whole
thing is. And even man, even just the legends of
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our friends coming out of what we went through over
the last you know, twenty twenty plus years, even those
have been you know, almost muted, and those have been
erased or those have been you know, throttled if you will,
via online expression. You know, even just those so like
guys like Joco that have these great uh interviews about
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the matthe Sa guys or you know, or the stuff
that Sean Ryan's doing with bringing on dudes who telling
their life history about how they were inspired to you know,
allow that innate, couraging them as men to come out
and join these these units and do go do this?
Have these adventures not in or lands but overseas. Now
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Mann even that you can see like there's a gravitational
pull from this young consciousness that's out there. They just
don't know where to redirect it. They don't know, well,
what do I do to go reinforce this? Do I
do I join back in the military and go to
some war in Ukraine or in Iran whatever they're gonna
flare up next, or or where do I go? So
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you know, what do you tell in Braxton? What do
you tell the young men you cross pass? Because I
know you're you're willing to do it, and I know
you know, I've seen you know, I've seen the way
you talk online and almost as this trying to provoke
those thoughts. So you know, where do you tell a
sixteen year old kid right now how to go man up?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
As far as the should I join the military question,
I'd say if you're if you're even asking yourself whether
you should or not, probably not. Even when I I
didn't understand enlisting when there was no wartified you know,
not that I'm picking on anybody, but that just my
mindset was, I didn't know why you would join if
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there wasn't. You know, it's it's to fight wars. That's
why you've signed up for the military, at least in
my head. So if you're asking the question, then probably not. Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
If you're in dire financial straits and you feel like.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
This could do something you know good for you, then
maybe so maybe so you know, go, But if you
do it, I would suggest, like go through you know,
sign up on liking ith an s F contract or
a ranger or something.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Go all the way if you're gonna do it would be.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
And I wasn't one of those things, you know, And
that's I regret not signing up on a contract like that.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I think about it all the time.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So I think you've got a fair dose. Anyways, brother,
I tabled. Bro. I mean you got like you signed
up and you got the full gambit. Brother.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, yeah, I got a little over there.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
But as far as like how to man up, uh,
I would say, find a church that you like and
that's not gay, Please please God, do not go to
a Methodist church for example. You know, if you see
a woman preaching or damn rainbow on the sign, avoid
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that like the plague. I would say, find a church
and start thinking about family, and that's that's the way
to go. My my grandfather was a marine, but his
family is what mattered him. And when I think of
him as a man, I think of him as a grandpa.
So what it means to be a man again, I
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make I went out hide the fact that I'm a Christian.
So what I see as a man is a guy
who tries to raise a good family and his family oriented.
So start doing those kind of things. If you're entrepreneurial,
get after it.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Man.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
There's there's some opportunity out there. And if and I
pick on the tech guys, everyone's a while. But I'm
just doing it as a goof. I've got lots of
friends in tech. If if you're a smart kid with
some idea for some damn widget or app or whatever
it might be, do it, man, go for it. Yeah, dude,
I got a buddy who's invented this program. He's probably
(34:43):
about to be filthy ass rich, you know, and he's
like a blue collar guy. He's just really smart and
he taught himself out of code. And so you know,
if you're entrepreneurial, start looking into those kind of things.
If you're more like me and you just can't get
cowboy and at out of your blood, call me because
I need somebody to ride colts.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I'm two bucks that up at these point this point,
But I can teach you how to do it.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Uh, you know, if you're more like me, seek out
the adventure that you want, go find it, but make
sure family is the goal.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
In the end, I would say.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I love that. I love that all right. Just to
kind of close the chapter on the main reason we
wanted to get you on, and man, I feel like
I could sit down with you for days and talk. Man,
what what what can the locals? What can the people
(35:37):
of Utah and New Mexico and Arizona and Nevada and Montana, Idaho?
What can they do collectively to really kind of uh,
first and foremost from a positive aspect, prop up their culture,
prop up their manifest destiny right of of who they are,
(35:57):
why they're there in the first place. And then what
would you recommend them try and do? Politically?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Man, it sucks because politics is.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Boring and gay, but you have to get involved at
the local level, and primaries are the ticket in these places.
I would almost I've said this other other places, but
I would almost rather you vote in the primary and
not in the general election than vice versa. A lot
of these primaries, especially at the local level, can be
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swung by ten freaking votes, man, So figure out who
you want in there, and once that, if you live
anywhere like I do, once there's an R next to
the guy's name, he's winning.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It ain't gonna matter. You know.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Ninety five freaking percent of the district is going to
vote for the R. So start voting in primaries, especially
for your sheriff. Pay pay if you live out here.
Pay very special attention to who your sheriff is. They
have enormous power, enormous power like the Bundee Branch thing.
I don't even want to go too deep into it
(36:59):
because there's so much there. But as the sheriff pertains
to this, a county just to the north of them
in Utah called Iron County where Cedar City is. The
Iron County sheriff come out while that was happening and
he said, well, I can tell you one thing. This
ship would not happen in my county because I wouldn't
let the FEDS in, you know, at least not fed
law enforcement. And they have those powers in these places.
(37:21):
So pay very special attention to who your your county
sheriff is. If you like guns, make friends with your
county sheriff and you'll probably be fine, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
So we got a lot of that in Florida, thank god. Man.
I mean one thing about Florida, man is he's got
a peace on him right and and our sheriffs are
actively what I love is they are actively promoting, you know, uh,
to stand your ground. If you know what I mean
and and and deliver to hate if if if you
get crossed and they're they're they're promoting that, and I
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think what you're seeing, as you're seeing our crime rates
drop dramatically as a result of that. And so I
really love that advice. For sure, what what what's.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Don't figure I got one more.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I got to say, yeah, sorry, don't figure out.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
No, no, no, I'm sorry for interrupting you. Uh, but this
one's really important for people in the West. If you
can get on your planning and zoning board, get on
your fucking planning and zoning board. Because if they want
to put a down micro trip factory in Idaho Falls,
the Planning and Zoning board has to approve that. So
if you can get on there and be like, no,
we just we're not going to improve this because we
don't want twenty five thousand people brought in here from California.
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So get on that if you can.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Sorry, I didn't know that's that's that's absolutely genius right there, man.
I just I love that's that sound advice. It's actionable advice,
and it really is powerful. You know, I think we
kind of wrapped it up right here. Obviously we're gonna
We're gonna talk a little bit more for Patreon account
after we hang up here. But uh, you know where
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can people pay attention to you? Where can they obviously
go get your book The Glass, which man, I'm really
looking forward to to reading that I'm downloading as soon
as we hop off here. You know, where can they
find you? Braxton? And and and what do you got
coming up? That's that's important for you? And and what
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your initiatives are?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Braximccoy dot com is where you can get the book.
I have an Instagram, but I don't really use it,
so x is the easiest place to find me. But
you know I might irritate you, just so be forlorned.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
No, it's my I'm telling you. It's in my top
five accounts to follow. Bro. It was crazy. I don't
know how I got linked to you, but it's like
all of a sudden I saw it and it's just
like your spot on man, and and you do it
and you don't have to go on these crazy like
thread like our twenty five threads. Man, the house seat
(39:53):
you are and now like it's piercing man when you
when you light people up there for sure, dude, Thank you. Yeah,
and it's just it's such a privilege to have you
on and I just really thank.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
You a lot. Oh no, thank you man.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
And if you're in the Mountain West, we just stood
up a Mountain West news show my buddy Patrick can I,
so you can listen to that. It's called Rocky Mountain
Radio wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Sorry, awesome, Rocky Mountain Radio. And all you got to do,
Brax and McCoy Rocky Mountain Radio to file for sure. Man, awesome.
Well again, dude, thank you so much. And if I
see the next issue pop up, man, I just would
really love to have you come back on. I love
your wisdom, I love the way you think, and most importantly,
I love how proud you are of your culture. It's
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critical for us.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Thanks brother, anytime.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Well, when you listen to Braxton McCoy, the reality is
you hear a man that speaks from his heart, regardless
of whether or not you believe everything he says. Regardless
or not he might be offended by anything he says,
uh in his own worlds, he doesn't give a damn.
He's going to speak the truth. Why because he feels
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like his culture is under a sault. He feels like
the generations of his forefathers that have come before him
that they're under a sault. And quite frankly, there's a
part of me that that that that understands that, right,
you know, probably not as deep as his, because you know,
I'm a root. My family's originally from Michigan, which is
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before that, originally from the East Coast. I have a
tremendous amount of Rutherfords that are from the Appalachians, and
you know, and I live in South Florida. So for me,
you know that that the intensity and the depth of
that culture might not be as substantial as what he
was expressing. But I I definitely understand where he's coming
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from and I want to respect that as we should
for most people in their cultures, right because culture takes
time to evolve. I think one of the grand things
that we always think about in this world is is,
or we don't think enough about now, is the power
of culture and how long it takes and to build
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a good culture, to build a culture that you know,
and no culture is perfect by any stretch, that's for sure.
We all know that. If you if you actually look
at the real histories of cultures around the world. But
what we do know is that without cultures, without these
trials and tribulations, cultures fade away pretty rapidly. And if
you look at at the whole concept behind this federal
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lands approach to relieve the the impact of of of
how expensive housing is and how difficult it is for
young people and and and people that don't particularly have
the most marketable skill sets. How come they can't go
into new homes? How can't they be homeowners? And and
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if I mean, when when we look at the last
fiasco that took place under the political drive to make
sure that everybody should own a home right back in
Dodd Frank and where that got us right into the
housing crisis of the subprime fiasco. You know, is this
is this similar? Is this a political ploy? Is this
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a political idea in order to garner uh, you know points,
if you will, to drive people, uh to get behind
all the other initiatives themselves. Now again, you know, I
referenced this Wall Street Journal opinion page at the beginning
of the interview with Braxton, And if if you're not
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familiar with this, the title of this interview was called
Federal Lands Can be Home suite home. Now, this was
authored by the US Department of Housing and Urban Development,
the HUD Secretary Scott Turner, and the Department of an
Interior Secretary Doug Bergham, and it was published mid March
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in twenty twenty five. Now, what it essentially assesses is
that there's a seven million million shortage and affordable homes
from people. And then what it says is the government
is in charge of about five hundred million acres twenty
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eight percent of total US lands. So what's the big deal.
Let's take let's scratch out a couple of these places,
and let's build this low income housing, and let's let's
give these people a shot at the American dream, which
is what home ownership is at its core. I think
it always had, well, maybe not always, but certainly since
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post Industrial Revolution and especially post World War Two, right
where we saw the explosion of suburbs initiated, you know,
starting out in Long Island and then really spreading across
the country to be able to get out of these
city centers, have a nice piece of land, build a home,
buy a home, and build this lifestyle to create what
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a beautiful local culture that's sustainable. And I think it's
it's they're in every right to recognize this shortfall, and
I commend them for bringing out But the problem is
is that, you know, you put something like that out
and it sounds awesome, and it sounds great, but there's
a bunch of things that immediately pop up, right, like
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what what's the scale of the impact that it will
have on federal lands? And you also got to realize
that a huge percentage of federal land is not around
any city center. Right, So now what you're doing is
you're talking about commercial development that's going to have to
function in conjunction. Right And by the way, I did
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not intend that rhyme to be there. It just happened.
That's going to have function in conjunction with these homes.
So you're going to have massive business development in all
of these places too. Now, don't get me wrong, I
love business development, but I live in the land of
strip malls. And how many more strip malls do we
need next to what the Devil's Plateau or whatever that
(46:19):
beautiful place that was out in I think in Utah
out close Encounters is where it became famous. Right, But
is that what you want? You want a strip mall
right next to some of these immaculate lands, and and
you know, I think, you know, one of the greatest
decisions ever made in our country's hissuy history was Teddy
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Roosevelt and his conservationalism and establishing these beautiful places that
we could keep pristine in order to really be able
to reflect on the magnitude of what America is as
a whole from just a visual perspective, and then also
what you receive when you go to this. Like, my
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earliest memory that I've ever had in my life was
the memory of being in Yosemite Park when I was
like four years old, and I just remember, you know,
these incredible hikes that my father ended up having me
to put on his shoulders as I'm you know, we're
ascending to these these these tops of these peaks in
these areas, and when you look out over the Yosemite Valley,
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you know that that was impactful. So, you know, I
don't want to strip themll near there. I don't want
some big box store, and I certainly don't want it
to flood with with with people who maybe perhaps don't
understand the importance of the cultures that support those lands. Right,
the people that have been there for for for generations. Now.
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The other aspect is, you know, what is the affordability
of all these going to look like? Right? Is this
going to be a federal investment or are they going
to utilize our tax dollars or is it going to
come from foreign investment? Some of the seven trillion dollar commitments,
are they going to build a new super conductor or
are they going to build some new uh factory in
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order to support the new houses that people that they
need jobs in these areas? So what does that look
like too? Or are we going to pay for this
or is it going to be outside influence and where's
that coming from? I think the other aspect always is
if you've ever built anything on federal or state property, uh,
the amount of regulatory or red tape that's involved is staggering.
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So what does that look like? You can guarant damn
tea that there's gonna be lawsuits out the wazoo about
people coming in to protect the you know, the hook
build finch or the you know, the spotted salmon that's
out there, right, And is that going to be you know,
uh going to cause all other problems within that too?
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And and don't get me wrong. I'm I'm I'm certainly
not a climate alarmist in any way, shape or form,
But I am a I am a thought full conference conservationalists.
How is going to affect uh local populations of of
of elk or or other you know species that are
provide a contributed factor to how those lands function and work?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (49:19):
I think the also, you know, it's obvious that we
need to dig in a little deeper. What is the
feasibility reality behind this? Is it something? How long is
this project going to take? And so let's say it
gets funded. Let's say the companies come in, they get
behind it, you know, they go through all the red tape. Well,
then how much how long is it going to be
taken in active? So are they going to start the project?
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And then let's say, uh, you know Trump's out of
office after these four years. Let's say JD. E. Vance
doesn't win the next election or whoever the Republican or
MAGA party movement is going to be, Well, who takes
over that? Do they shut it down? Immediately? Bring back
us into the Paris Climate Accords? And and then and
then what happens to all those investors? You know, these
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are real things that we need to think about before
you know what this looks like. Now, obviously, again this
is all about political framing, uh, in terms of the
Golden Age and what President Trump wants to bring. And
I am all for that one hundred percent. In particular,
I'm all behind this idea that we need to make
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more affordable housing. But does it necessarily have to be
a component of of going after federal lands?
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Now?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
You know what's interesting to me is, you know, I
think and this was you know, what you really have
to understand is that the total land area of the
US is about two point two seven billion acres, right
roughly nine point two million square kilometers, and as of
twenty twenty two, protected areas covered approximately four hundred and
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seventy seven thousand square miles or one point two million
square kilometers, equating to that thirteen percent figure. Right Now,
what's interesting is you have to be able to get
down to the reality of what does the actual housing
market look like? And why, right, why are we in
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this situation in the first place where they want to
propose this right is it? Is it solely because we
have so many new people that have come into America,
which you know is definitely part of it. But what
I also believe it's it's more indicative of you know
the fact that that GDP is rising at such a
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slow level one because we offshore Joe's We just covered
that with with Bryce gill and what that looks like
in terms of the d industrialization and hopefully, as he
was very positive bringing on shoring back jobs. So hopefully
with this tariff and bringing you know, industrialization back to
the United States, those those wages will go up in
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those and new jobs. Right now. He also said that
we're a seventy percent service industry, so is there space
to grow there? I think there absolutely is giant space
to grow. You know, when you look at the numbers
for job growth over the last four years in the
last administration, the overwhelming majority of that growth came from
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government jobs. And my personal favorite was if you looked
at the people who were following those numbers intimately, right,
they'd post these numbers and then a month and a half,
a month later, month, two months later, they'd come out
and all of those numbers would be you know, downsides considerably,
And why were they doing that? You know, my guess
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is for political reasons and a lot of those those
most of those numbers came from job growth within the
government sector, and some of what we're finding out now
is a lot of those jobs were given to ill
legal immigrants, and so that's another factor of this. You know,
are these seven million homes going to be dedicated towards
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illegal immigrants? You know, I don't know. That creates this
whole cultural issue, and I'll touch on that in a
little bit. So, you know, one of the things that
you know, when you start to be able to evaluate,
you know, the cost of homes that are out there,
you know, it's you know, I want you to think
about this. So this is this is an interesting statistic
(53:27):
that I found. So the National Association of home Builders
the NAHB, reported in early twenty twenty five that a
quarter point increase in mortgage rates, example, from six point
five to seven six point seventy five prices out approximately
one point one four million households from affording a medium
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price new home, which was around four hundred and twenty
five thousand dollars nationwide at the time, with rage fluctuating
near seven percent in twenty twenty five, higher than six
point six point five baseline percent baseline in their model.
The number of effective household grows posts on X from
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early April twenty twenty five suggests an even starker figure.
One claims ninety four million households. That's seventy percent of
US households can't afford a four hundred thousand dollars home,
which another estimates seventy six point four million households fifty
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seven percent can't afford a three hundred thousand dollars home. Now,
to give you a greater context on this, I'm gonna
tell you, all right, here is a list of some
of those states where they're talking about federal new homes
are going to be. All right, So this is medium
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house numbers for these states, all right, Wyoming three hundred
and forty thousand dollars. Right. Obviously, rural areas are cheaper,
but this, you know, Jackson prices Vermont three hundred and
eighty thousand dollars, Alaska three hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
North Dakota two hundred and sixty thousand dollars, South Dakota
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three hundred thousand, Delaware four hundred thousand, Rhode Island four
hundred and fifty, Montana four hundred and sixty thousand. All right,
Maine three hundred and ninety thousand, Idaho four hundred and
forty thousand, New Mexico three hundred thousand, Mississippi one hundred
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and sixty thousand, Iowa two hundred and thirty thousand, Nevada
four hundred and twenty thousand. These houses are incredible, and
I think, you know, for most young people out there
that are have this American dream, how are they going
to achieve that? So, you know, before we get all
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fired up and building all this new federal these new
low income housing on federal lands, why don't we talk
about maybe how we reduce some of those housing prices,
or how we increase people's wages. Now, the other little
hidden secret behind all this, which I believe plays a
massive role in all of this, is who owns the
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vast majority of inventory out there? Now, if you're like
me and you're in my area, what you saw in
COVID pre COVID and then certainly post COVID is you
saw this exorbitant explosion in what airb and bs. I
have one on my street and there's a probably coming
for another one here soon too. Right, we look at
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Airbnb explosion all over the place. We also looked at
at low income housing and apartment complexes. Rents went up
in all of those. So Airbnbs drove rents, low income
housing drove rents. Now, why, well, it's easy, it's private equity,
it's asset management. Firms like Blackrock sort of give you
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an idea about Blackrock and their stake in commercial and
private real estate. Here you go. Blackrock does have indirect
exposure to residential real estate market through its stakes and
companies that own homes. For example, it owns a majority
stake in American Homes for Rent, a real estate investment
TRUCKS or an ri E rate that owns approximately fifty
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nine thousand single family homes. As of recent reports, Blackrocks
ownership in this company is around six point seven percent,
which equates to indirect interests and a fraction of those
homes roughly nine hundred and fifty three homes based on
that percentage. Additionally, Blackrock is a sharehold holder in Invitation Homes,
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the largest operator of single family rentals in the US,
which owns about eighty eighty Let me repeat that, eighty
thousand homes, all right. The other one you need to
understand is Blackstone, And many times these two are conflated together.
But you need to be able to just the point
I'm trying to make is that much of the inventory
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is not going from person to person or being passed
down generlation or or or you know, people just building
on available land. These our mega corporations that are controlling
these markets to a high degree. So Blackstone different, a
different firm often confused with black Rocks, has a more
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direct role in owning homes through subsidiaries like Invitation Homes,
which it founded but later spun off and currently owns
around sixty two thousand single family homes its portfolio companies.
All right, now, what does all this mean to kind
of drill it down for you? Right, we have a
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housing crisis. New government wants to come in and try
and solve that new crisis. Now, whether you think it's
a political ploy or whether you think they're actually going
to deliver on what they promised, that's up to you.
It's that's yet to be seen because of all the
things we talked about. But what I do know is
I recognize that the two main aspects of my mind
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are one. Yeah, I don't know if there is such
a shortfall. But what I really know is that people
aren't earning enough in order to be able to afford
these down payments on these homes. And that's why you've
really locked out this massive group of young people, you know,
the Gen zs whoever you want to talk about, which
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is actually a bigger portion of people in the United
States than the Baby Boomers were. It's in fact going
to be the greatest purchasing generation in human history, and
so it's critical to understand in my mind, where are
those people going to want to live? And then how
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are we going to pay them more money? I believe
it it's going to be more along the lines of
sparking the economy, creating new interests on showing new jobs
and new industries. I think AI is going to open
and explode for the service industries in ways we can't imagine.
So when you listen to Braxton, and hopefully you heard
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the genuineness of where he was coming from, you heard
the pain in his heart, not because he's angry at
people who need homes by any stretch of the measure,
But what he was offering for you to hear him
was the fact that through political initiatives. He believes his
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culture is under jeopardy. I had talked kind of in
the beginning of this what I wanted that I talk
about culture, and I also shared that, you know, because
of my background and path that you know, is the
culture of where I'm from? Is it? Is it something
that I really feel connected to I do to a
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certain degree. Don't get get me wrong, My all my
five six one homies out there, right, I love you guys.
We grew up. But man, this place has been around
since like the nineteen eighties. Really, you know, so the depths,
my kids, you know, dig it here. But it's not
like they're willing to go to a go to battle
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for our culture here. But people out in those places
whose generations before them actually had to hack out of
the savagery of of of what the West was and
build from nothing in those brutal winners and to really
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to really cut out in existence from the savagery of
what it meant to live back in those days. Man,
we have to adhere to that, we have to acknowledge that.
And I genuinely believe that culture is something that we
want to protect in people. So that's all I have
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to say. About it. I hope you understand where I'm
coming from. I hope I've been succinct enough. I hope
I've given it some common sense and a little bit
of critical thinking to it. And I've hoped you'd enjoyed
my little rant there.
Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Thank you,
Within every new administration, they're always looking to do big things.
This administration, one of their big things they want to
do create seven million new low income housing for people
that are struggling to find new homes.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We have so much land and we want to put
it to you.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So we're going to have land release and on that
land we're going to build housing. We're going to have
housing building. Well, guess what that might be a problem
for the people in the areas that they want to
put these homes. Today we welcome Braxon McCoy, former VET
Purple Heart recipient and author, who's going to talk about
what that could look like to the local cultures. This
(00:38):
is the David Rutherford Show. There's not many cats out
on the internet the interwebs that are are are talking
as much truth as our guest today. And if you
know anything about him, if you've ever seen them on
the Jocko Willing podcast or you've seen some of his
(00:59):
great video is on YouTube. Man, what I always recommend
is just follow him on x He's probably one of
the guys that I follow most. Pay attention to what
he's saying. Why because he talks from the heart and
it's truthful and Also he's a g wat savage like
I am. So ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, mister Braxon, McCoy, Braxon, man,
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thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
This is in particularly around this topic. This is a
big deal for me. So I'm just glad. Anyway, anyone
who will listen, I will holler at on this one.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well, this is let's just get into it. I mean, so,
you know, the HUD secretary and and you know another
one of the Trump officials came out a little bit ago.
They posted this crazy article in the Wall Street Journal
where they were talking about wanting to build seven million
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new homes on federal land. Why does that insent you
as much as it does, brother, h Well, there's.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
A few there's a few things at play here.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
For first of all, I just don't want you to
ruin the land for one. And then two, the culture here.
I think a lot of people from other states don't
realize how fragile these Mountain West states are. I mean,
they're they're high land mass, low population density.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
So so let's take Wyoming for example. There's about five
or six hundred thousand people in Wyomen. You move one
hundred thousand people into that state, and you can flip
the electorate. And I don't mean, you know, just at
the federal level. Locally too, you know, you turn like
you turn Cheyenne into a tiny version of Denver, and
all of a sudden, the locals in uh in uh
(02:45):
Wyoming there turned into you know, it becomes Colorado essentially
like rule by executive fiat from you know, this little
population center. So that's that's one, and then two just
culturally now, I mean, these are my people.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I grew up here.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I'm if any thing. I am a man of the
Mountain West. I mean, it's been my life. You know,
this place has been the only life I've ever known.
I've lived in two cities, Salt Lake City when I
was going to community college and Bramadi.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You know, so.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's fucking awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I don't even know which one I hated worse, to
be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I'm willing to bet it was Salt Lake man. Not no,
no shame on anybody. Salt Lake got a good friend,
Evan Hayfer, lives out there. I love going to visit him.
But but you know, at least in Ramady, you know
what you get every day.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Right, Yeah, at least having fun sometimes, you know, all right, man.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I So obviously I think, in my opinion, a lot
of this was politics. Uh. Yes, there is a housing
crisis out there. I mean you look at uh, you know,
everybody wants to say Blackrock, Backrock, Backrock, but you know
they don't directly own anything, but they own huge stakes.
(04:07):
And all of these companies that are out there gobbling
up homes. You've got Blackstone that owns you know, sixty
somehi thousand homes and apartment complexes. You know, it's created
this crisis for regular folks and not being able to
buy homes, not being able to start their family, not
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be able to you know, get a taste of that
American dream. Is there any aspect about that that you
think is genuine and that we should evaluate in this
kind of the the first part to kind of deconstruct
this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I haven't verified this, but I've read that eighty percent,
fully eighty percent of Utah's state legislature has direct ties
to real estate and development. So I think if you
want to know why this is happening, there's your answer.
I think the housing shortage is largely a myth I
think it's a joke, like i've you know, jokingly said
(05:08):
other places. Every boomer I know owns fourteen homes. I
think that's part of.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
It, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
And then also, like the thing you have to remember
is that the West is young, right, So that's that
is true that the Apache War officially ended in like
nineteen twenty five. You know, this is a very young place.
My great grandfather's first job title was Indian Fighter, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So, dude, when you posted those patches, that whole thread
right there in the comments, that was one of the
coolest things I saw. Man, tell me about your grandfather,
how when was he out there first? And like how
long has your family been in the region, I.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Mean since the eighteen fifties, eighteen forties, Wow, yeah, I mean,
well my my my grandfather's grandfather come here from the Ozarks.
So on that one side, you know, there's one line
that came here from Arkansas about I don't know, one
hundred years ago or something. But the rest has been
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here since time in Memoriam, so long as this has
been a place essentially, I mean since Colter carved it
out of nothing for us, right, and then of course
bringing me young into pioneers. But the point here is
so it is it is a young place. But you
have to remember that cities and developments happen either organically
or artificially, and there's been at least one hundred years
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worth of time for these places to grow, and they
never grew without artificial Inputso Mike Lee trying to force
you know, I hate to keep picking on Mike Lee,
but he is a driving force behind this. I you know,
I don't hate the guy. I think he's probably a
decent guy. He's not from Utah, so there's that that
kind of grinds my gears a little bit. Born in
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Arizona but raised in you know, DC private schools, and
he's a very bright guy.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's just he's not reflective.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Of Utah as anyway, his he, among others, their Silicon
Slopes project in Utah, has been a disaster for the locals. Sure,
the graph has gone up, you know, number go up,
charts go up, whatever, Utah's GDP has grown. But now
a home, a home in my hometown is four hundred
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fucking thousand dollars. My hometown is two hundred people. We
were out numbered by cows, probably eight hundred to one.
You know, no one can afford a four hundred thousand
dollars home. And this is happening because of you know,
like I say, these artificial inputs trying to turn you know,
salt like the Utah Valley essentially into Silicon Valley. I mean,
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this is fake inorganic growth. They lobbied to get this
data center put in the NSA data center number go up, great, wonderful,
But you parked it on mule your habitat and winter range.
You know, it was straight on a corridor that used
to keep winter mule deer who winter in the Ochre
Mountain range alive, you know, and now it's it's paved
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over with a data center. This kind of stuff matters
to me. But back to the original point. They haven't
grown organically. They've only grown artificially. And they're still and
that is still happening to this day. Take a town
like Salmon, Idaho. It's a tourist town essentially. Now originally
it was, you know, a ranching farm community. You know,
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that's where patron Saint of Idaho, elmer Keith, you know,
lived up there. All of that growth surrounding tourism is
itself in many ways artificial.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It's propped up by our bullshit economy.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
These people can have a tech job where they're working
for you know whomever.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
To pick on anybody, and then they get a remote
job and they moved to Salmon, Idaho. And the kid
whose family's been there for five generations now can't buy
twenty acres to put his family on and raise some
horses and cattle because it's over a freaking million dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I believe, personally, I believe most of the growth in
the West is artificial. To begin with, the populations of Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Montana,
and Colorado have all doubled since the year two thousand.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Which one of those places has gotten better for locals?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Not one, right, not one? You know. My thing is
when I was a kid, right, and I'm from South Florida.
My thing, all right, we're going out to Colorado. That
was the big West. We're going skin and my parents
loved it so much they were able to buy a
teeny little condo out in Snow mass Well, for twenty
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years it kind of stayed somewhat normal, and then it
just shifted and it made it absolutely completely crazy. And
now I hear about like the other crazy is how
much you know bok ratone has repopulated asp and how
much boak ratone is out in Montana? How much? Ok?
(10:00):
And it's all these either southern California, East coast, southern
you know, southern Florida. There is exactly what you're saying.
They're going out and they're kind of rebranding this place
as their new mecca for extravagance without any inclination of
the impact. And so you talked a little bit about
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the impact on natural habitats, You talked about economic opportunities
for locals. What are some of the other bigger ideas
that you see are going to be catastrophic for the
people that are born and raised in these areas.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Number One, I care about my culture, right, and so
anything that damages my culture I view as a bad thing.
The reason Denver feels like it could be parked in
New England. It feels like Massachusetts with mountains now when
you go there. The reason it feels like that is
because it's filled with people from Massachusetts, right. So I
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don't want my culture degraded or destroyed. And I particularly
hate people despise. And I know I'm not supposed to
be as a Christian, but man, do I despise people
that come here and spit on the history, you know,
the people who made it, like the Mormons whatever. I'm
not a Mormon myself, but a lot of my family
was it is now and was then, and I think
it's disgraceful to spin on. So Number one, I don't
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want to see my culture erased. That's and I know we're,
you know, on the right wing side of politics. We're
not supposed to give us a shit about this kind
of thing. It's just supposed to be graph go up numbers.
This libertarianism is a cancer in my view, that is
what I would say.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I care about why why libertarianism in particular.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Because their number go up everything.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
The measure of a good and healthy society is a
strong GDP if you're a libertarian, at least so far
as I can glean from the outside. And I used
to consider myself regrettably, God forgive me one of these people.
So culture is big to me. I really care. I
want my kids to grow up the way I did.
In fact, a buddy of mine, we call him Cowboy
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Scott he was over here last night.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
He's a hell of guy, used to be a bron crider.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
He's been cowboy in his whole life, right, And we
were talking about how when I and this man's you know,
mid sixties or early sixties, something like that, and we
were talking about how when I was a kid, the
thing people would the thing that would offer you to
hear at the bunk house or at Brandon Penn's. This
kind of stuff was h that's the last of the cowboys,
you know, they point to somebody's crab car or something.
(12:31):
Cowboys are dead. It's over.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And then you know, I turned forty, and somehow we're
still around doing this. Right.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
However, it's getting damned close, you know, it's getting real close.
I live in about as western a place as you
could possibly live in, and every kid I've tried to
hire to come ride colts for me as quick because
it's too hard. Eventually they get bucked off on time
and they're done. And so that culture is dying. It
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really is, and it is. It makes me very nervous
because it's a it's a powerful thing. But I would
argue it more pragmatically. When I was talking about flipping electorates.
The Mountain West is basically a firewall, you know, or
has been. You know, it's not a lot of electoral votes,
but they're reliable. Well, you flip Idaho, Montana, Utah, Colorado's
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already gone, Arizona's I mean, man, for it went from
red to purple to probably blue in the span of
about twenty years. You flip all those you can't win
a national race again, forget it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You know it's over.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And if I mean, I feel the same way, I
think that's intentional. I think it's one hundred percent what
the whole thing I mean, you you know, you talk,
you listen to some of the statistics that Elon Mosk
has been using in a lot of the interviews he's doing,
and you know, the whole pretense behind the immigration invasion
is to do just that. Right first, you target you know,
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you put sixty thousand Haitians out in Springfield, Ohio. You know,
then you you know, you put them in all these
other you know, what are the swing states. But what
people aren't seeing is that they're absolutely going out those
those those definitive you know, western red states. They're they're
dumping people in there as well too. And I think
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that's what that's what was so perplexing to me with
this statements like, oh, let's go out and build low
income housing in these areas that were traditionally like are
are are are our hotbed of of like that we
know that culture that carved out the West, that really,
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in my opinion, you know, you can argue probably you know,
three different time frames around around American history and certainly
the the the exploration West, you know, head West young Man, right,
and Horatio Algert. You know that that rugged individualism of
Theodore Roodsvelt Man. Now we're like, that's that's part of America.
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Like and if you strip that away, man, it's almost
like that's one of those hills that if they can
they can defeat, if they can knock us off that hill,
that that creates this cataclysmic shift to reshape in what
I think, you know, and I don't think it's just
like like we're trying like a lot of people think.
I don't think it's just Democrats or or or or Libertarians.
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I think there's a huge component of of of Republicans
that see this as a financial hotbed of development. And
you talked a little bit about that in some of
the posts you did recently, like these people don't give
a shit what your political party. They just want to
make money.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
So the question also, yeah, sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt you.
I want to make one point here. They're also lying
their asses off when they tell you it's hundreds of
trillions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
They are lying through their fucking teeth.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I sat down one day and calculated, just for the
hell of it, what the action fair market value of
all of the BLM and forest land in Idaho would
go for. And it ad actual fair market value, not
pyeing the sky bullshit, fucking made up numbers. I used
about thirty five hundred dollars an acre as an average
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if I'm recalling the formula that I used correctly, which
is about what it would be, you know, because some
people will say, oh, well, look over in Teeton Valley,
it's about twenty five thousand and acre. Yeah, fucking retard.
That's irrigated seat potato land. That's not desert.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
So if you use about thirty five hundred and acre average,
which is probably going to get you pretty damn close
to an average, you run into about one hundred billion
dollars one hundred billion. So I don't know where in
the hell these people are coming up with this hundreds
of trillions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
It's completely fucking made up. It's not real.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
If you sold it all off at fair market, it
would not come close to one hundred trillion, not even
fucking close. And that's not to say anything. I'm getting
fired up. I think I burst a vessel in my eyeball.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
There.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Don't do that, man, don't do that. We don't want
another ten years of recovery. We need you just we
need you locked in the way you are so slow down, man,
I know that TBI is rattling around right now. Let's
pull the brakes back on that sucker.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, man, they're lying, and so you have to it
goes because I know they're lying. It's obvious to go
do the math on your own. And that's not that's
not even to address who's gonna buy this shit. Oh
and then another dumb ass thing. They'll always say, Oh,
it needs to be homesteaded. Okay, the Second Homestead Act
was one hundred and forty acres.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
All right, you know what you.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Can do with one hundred and forty acres in most
of this place, maybe raise a couple of horn toads,
you know, you might, you might be able to farm rattlesnakes.
You ain't doing shit with one hundred and forty acres
in this country. Some of these ranches in Nevada are
five hundred thousand acres. And then that way because they've
got they've got strays they haven't seen in ten fucking years,
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you know, because because it's it's just, man, it ain't
nothing but damn a little bit of great brayce and
rye crested wheat, and you know, a bush or two
here and there.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's not like Kentucky, you know, right.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
The reason we run allotments that are fifty one hundred
thousand acres a piece, some of them are bigger than that,
is because that's all you that's what it takes to
put about a eight hundred head of catal on. You know.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
So it's not These people are just they don't even
know what the hell they're talking about. However, the politicians do.
And this is where I would like to see, okay,
if you and then there's a whole other issue here.
I was talking about the culture. I'd like to hear
how somebody likes Senator Lee. Again, I think he's a
good guy, not like trying to say he's a terrible person.
(18:39):
I'd like to hear how Senator Lee would feel if
if you could push a button sell off all the
land in Utah and double the population, but the people
that came in were all Hindus from India. How do
you feel about that? So Utah goes from about three
and a half million to seven million?
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Is that a good thing? You know?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Now you've got three million people worshiping Vishnu in Utah.
Do you think Utah is still Utah? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, I don't. I think and this is this is
the whole idea. I think that, you know, what what
needs to happen is there has to be a better
context of the argument that's being presented to these people
instead of you know, I mean, we're I know, me
having gone through with what we went through, you know,
(19:30):
in the g Watt and then what we watched from
what we realized from Iraq, what we've realized from Afghanistan.
Like you know, I'm not a sucker anymore, you know,
And I think that's what happens, you know, you go
get shot at once or twice and you watch your
buddies die, and that kind of wakes you up to
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the point where it's like, hey man, you know I
believed it before, but I'm not going to believe it now.
And so what are the things? Is that are the
the what are the ways that these arguments need to
take place? So you know, if if if if if
(20:12):
Center Lee were to reach out to you Braxton and say, hey,
what what do you think we should do? What would
be your suggestion? If if if centeror Lee were to
(20:34):
reach out to you Braxton and say, hey, what what
do you think we should do? What would be your suggestion.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I've spoke to him in his office in DC.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I don't think he likes me very much, but uh,
one of the things I would say is just stop
touching it, because I don't want you to touch it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And my my.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
My culture and my land and my heritage is non
nasset on a fucking balance sheet.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So that's my starting point.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
And I know that from his point of view, this
is like nativist protectionism. You know, whatever words they want
to throw at me that they think are pejorative, I
will just proudly wear Okay, so there's a starting point
as far as like what to do with this housing problem. Well,
in twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four, the vast
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majority of population growth in Utah was driven by international migration.
So there's a starting point. Cut that freaking shut that
faucet off. Okay, let's start there. But he doesn't want
to do that. He wants to pay off developers he's.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Constantly talking about.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And don't forget that this man originally tried to sell
the Lands Act in Utah, saying that it was to
preserve the land because they weren't going to sell it off,
you know. And I was like, oh, bullshit. You know
you've been trying to sell it from my whole freaking life. Well,
and then as soon as that failed, he just flipped
and now it's selling it again. It's like, well, you
were always trying to sell it. But so anyway, start
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with cutting off international migration, both illegal and legal. I
am so I don't again, I do not care what
labels they pin on me anymore. I don't want one
more damn immigrant in this country until we can figure
out what in the hell is going on. And I
would like Tom Homan Airways to get rid of about
fifty million, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Oh, and on that to that.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four number that wasn't just Utah,
by the way, that was America as a whole.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, and our birth rate, crazy, dude, Our birth rate
is in free fall right now. So what they're arguing is, well,
we're our country is going to die if we don't
bring people in. And my argument would be, okay, so
it either dies of like a civilizational suicide on one
hand via birth rate, or it dies because you just
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turned it into India. That's like, what's the different. It's dead.
It's dead either way. And I would also argue that
besides the hedonistic again, you know, I make no I
hide nothing here. I'm a Christian. But I would argue
that this hedonistic bullshit culture of you know, fourteen bodies
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by the time you're twenty five years old and all
of this stuff is part of the problem. It's a
big part of the problem. But another thing that's driving
this nihilism is because these kids are watching themselves be replaced,
they're watching it happen.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And they're being conditioned to believe it's a good thing.
That's what kills me. That's what kills me. Is like
wait and and and again. I you know, it's real
easy to go and you know, point the finger, well
this is going, this is going, and this is going,
you know, And like I look at the way my
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kids are being taught, and I look at the way
American history is being aught to them too, and it's
shocking to me. And so every time I said, all right,
what do you studying in history? And they come back
and you know, the Chinese are responsible for building the railroads,
and I'm like, okay, or or you know what the
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American you know, the American pilgrimage West, all that all
they're responsible for is is killing Native Americans. I'm just
like you start to go, wait a minute, all right,
so when's the when's the part where oh no, these
people actually built the foundation not only of how to
survive in these places, right, but how to make it
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useful and how to contribute to the culture of what
America became known as.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I mean, you know, every I don't give it. I
don't give a damn. In my generation, when you're growing up,
what do you want to do? You want to play
army man. You want to play cowboys and Indians, right,
And I grew up in the most non you know,
tough place on a planet, so like it was, it
was even more meaningful me for you know, for me
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to want to pretend that I was part of this,
you know, this this savage culture out there that that
grinded it out in the midst of of of of
the wild West.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I mean, that's what was inspiring to me. I mean,
I think it was a major component for me wanting
to serve, for me believing in America. How do you start?
How do we re engage the next this younger generation
and get them to say that they do get knocked
off that that coal, and to pick them up and say,
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all I get back on son, like, what do you think?
What do we do?
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You have to do it in your house first, But
more broadly, I would say, we need, uh, we we
need to just reinvigorate.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
We already have enough, miss. We just need to reinvigorate them.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Kids need to know about Daniel Boone and David Crockett, uh,
and they need to know out guys like Oliver Loving
and good Night and again I saw a grown man
the other day. And I'm not picking on him, but
he made a comment to me. He said, uh, well,
Idaho falls in Montana and from Idaho falls up became
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that way because of people like Gus and Woodrow from
you know, from the movie right or the book. Then
not really fantastic, but uh, that was patterned off of
good Night and Loving, you know. And that was from
South Texas to New Mexico through through Commanche and Apache country.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Right. They didn't that wasn't didn't go to Montana. That's
a movie, man, you know. I'm not saying nobody did it, but.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
That largely the cattle industry was going, uh for a
while anyway, was going to railroads from from the north
southward and from the south northward.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
So anyway, the point of bringing that up is to say,
we've got grown men that don't know their myths, you know,
and these people are real. John Colter is a real guy,
you know. I mean, he's needed in hell. He came
out just to choose one John Colter. This guy signs
up for the Grand Expedition with Meriwether, Lewis and Company. Right,
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they go out and have what could be argued one
of the greatest adventures that any men have ever in history.
I mean, it's an incredible story. He goes out, does that,
gets back to Saint Louis and goes, you know what,
I'm fucking going back over there, you know. So he
gets one dude and goes up to Blackfoot country in Montana.
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And for anybody who's not from this area, the Blackfeet
were like our comanches. They were killing sobs man, they
were not messing around. So he goes up there with
one other dude and you know, traps all these beavers
and he's coming back with their boats full of beavers,
and these Blackfeet are standing on the side of the
river and they say, hey, come over here, buddy, and
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Coulter decides to paddle in, and he's like, I'm dead
if I stay out. They're gonna kill me if I
stay out, so I might as well go. Try to negotiate. Yeah,
his buddy says, piss off, piss up a rope. I'm
gonna stay on my boat, and they kill him. So
he watches his buddy die and then they strip colt
Or naked and they say, okay, here's your chance to
get away. They pick you know, how good can you run?
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And he's like, I can't run for shit, and they're like,
well run anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
You know, he lied. He actually could run real good.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
But so he runs, takes off, you know, and he
runs until his nose is bleeding, that's how exasperated he is.
And then this Indian catches up to him, trips, breaks
his lance. Colter picks up the broken lance, kills the
Indian that was trying to kill him, naked, all this
with his pecker flop roked, you know, and then he
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jumps in the river and hides in a beaver dam.
You know, he swims up into a beaver dam, hides
he can hear these blackfeet going around him all night,
you know, a circle and looking for him.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Waits that out. Can you imagine how effing cold a
freaking beaver dam.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Would be the whole, you know, So he hides in there,
and then he gets out and he hikes his ass
to you know, the nearest army out post, and then
you know, uh is back in civilization.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
This way.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Then this crazy son of a bitch goes to Saint
Louis and he rounds up eighteen more guys and goes
back and then they all get killed and he finally says,
you know what, I've had enough.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I need to check myself.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah. So we the myths are there, we just need
to teach them to our kids.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I would argue, if you ask somebody in our generation
to define, uh, just in single words, define an American,
they're gonna use stuff like, you know, self reliance and
you know, hard working and this kind of all of
those parts of what we use to define an American.
Ass We're born out of the pioneers in the Frontier.
It's not the revolution, not that the revolution wasn't important,
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it's we defined ourselves out here, and so we just
need to teach this stuff to our That's what we
have to do. But you can't teach them to be
proud of themselves when they go to in their ancestry,
when they go to kindergarten in some whale with green
hair and a fucking septum piercing, it's telling them that
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their grandpa was a racist asshole who killed Indidans.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
You know, you can't.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
That doesn't work, man. I think that that contradiction is
just right for all kinds of conflict. But I you know,
the way I feel about it now is I'm I'm
I'm about done with it though, Like I my whole
thing is. And even man, even just the legends of
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our friends coming out of what we went through over
the last you know, twenty twenty plus years, even those
have been you know, almost muted, and those have been
erased or those have been you know, throttled if you will,
via online expression. You know, even just those so like
guys like Joco that have these great uh interviews about
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the matthe Sa guys or you know, or the stuff
that Sean Ryan's doing with bringing on dudes who telling
their life history about how they were inspired to you know,
allow that innate, couraging them as men to come out
and join these these units and do go do this?
Have these adventures not in or lands but overseas. Now
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Mann even that you can see like there's a gravitational
pull from this young consciousness that's out there. They just
don't know where to redirect it. They don't know, well,
what do I do to go reinforce this? Do I
do I join back in the military and go to
some war in Ukraine or in Iran whatever they're gonna
flare up next, or or where do I go? So
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you know, what do you tell in Braxton? What do
you tell the young men you cross pass? Because I
know you're you're willing to do it, and I know
you know, I've seen you know, I've seen the way
you talk online and almost as this trying to provoke
those thoughts. So you know, where do you tell a
sixteen year old kid right now how to go man up?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
As far as the should I join the military question,
I'd say if you're if you're even asking yourself whether
you should or not, probably not. Even when I I
didn't understand enlisting when there was no wartified you know,
not that I'm picking on anybody, but that just my
mindset was, I didn't know why you would join if
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there wasn't. You know, it's it's to fight wars. That's
why you've signed up for the military, at least in
my head. So if you're asking the question, then probably not. Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
If you're in dire financial straits and you feel like.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
This could do something you know good for you, then
maybe so maybe so you know, go, But if you
do it, I would suggest, like go through you know,
sign up on liking ith an s F contract or
a ranger or something.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Go all the way if you're gonna do it would be.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
And I wasn't one of those things, you know, And
that's I regret not signing up on a contract like that.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I think about it all the time.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So I think you've got a fair dose. Anyways, brother,
I tabled. Bro. I mean you got like you signed
up and you got the full gambit. Brother.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, yeah, I got a little over there.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
But as far as like how to man up, uh,
I would say, find a church that you like and
that's not gay, Please please God, do not go to
a Methodist church for example. You know, if you see
a woman preaching or damn rainbow on the sign, avoid
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that like the plague. I would say, find a church
and start thinking about family, and that's that's the way
to go. My my grandfather was a marine, but his
family is what mattered him. And when I think of
him as a man, I think of him as a grandpa.
So what it means to be a man again, I
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make I went out hide the fact that I'm a Christian.
So what I see as a man is a guy
who tries to raise a good family and his family oriented.
So start doing those kind of things. If you're entrepreneurial,
get after it.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Man.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
There's there's some opportunity out there. And if and I
pick on the tech guys, everyone's a while. But I'm
just doing it as a goof. I've got lots of
friends in tech. If if you're a smart kid with
some idea for some damn widget or app or whatever
it might be, do it, man, go for it. Yeah, dude,
I got a buddy who's invented this program. He's probably
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about to be filthy ass rich, you know, and he's
like a blue collar guy. He's just really smart and
he taught himself out of code. And so you know,
if you're entrepreneurial, start looking into those kind of things.
If you're more like me and you just can't get
cowboy and at out of your blood, call me because
I need somebody to ride colts.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I'm two bucks that up at these point this point,
But I can teach you how to do it.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Uh, you know, if you're more like me, seek out
the adventure that you want, go find it, but make
sure family is the goal.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
In the end, I would say.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I love that. I love that all right. Just to
kind of close the chapter on the main reason we
wanted to get you on, and man, I feel like
I could sit down with you for days and talk. Man,
what what what can the locals? What can the people
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of Utah and New Mexico and Arizona and Nevada and Montana, Idaho?
What can they do collectively to really kind of uh,
first and foremost from a positive aspect, prop up their culture,
prop up their manifest destiny right of of who they are,
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why they're there in the first place. And then what
would you recommend them try and do? Politically?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Man, it sucks because politics is.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Boring and gay, but you have to get involved at
the local level, and primaries are the ticket in these places.
I would almost I've said this other other places, but
I would almost rather you vote in the primary and
not in the general election than vice versa. A lot
of these primaries, especially at the local level, can be
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swung by ten freaking votes, man, So figure out who
you want in there, and once that, if you live
anywhere like I do, once there's an R next to
the guy's name, he's winning.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It ain't gonna matter. You know.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Ninety five freaking percent of the district is going to
vote for the R. So start voting in primaries, especially
for your sheriff. Pay pay if you live out here.
Pay very special attention to who your sheriff is. They
have enormous power, enormous power like the Bundee Branch thing.
I don't even want to go too deep into it
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because there's so much there. But as the sheriff pertains
to this, a county just to the north of them
in Utah called Iron County where Cedar City is. The
Iron County sheriff come out while that was happening and
he said, well, I can tell you one thing. This
ship would not happen in my county because I wouldn't
let the FEDS in, you know, at least not fed
law enforcement. And they have those powers in these places.
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So pay very special attention to who your your county
sheriff is. If you like guns, make friends with your
county sheriff and you'll probably be fine, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
So we got a lot of that in Florida, thank god. Man.
I mean one thing about Florida, man is he's got
a peace on him right and and our sheriffs are
actively what I love is they are actively promoting, you know, uh,
to stand your ground. If you know what I mean
and and and deliver to hate if if if you
get crossed and they're they're they're promoting that, and I
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think what you're seeing, as you're seeing our crime rates
drop dramatically as a result of that. And so I
really love that advice. For sure, what what what's.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Don't figure I got one more.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I got to say, yeah, sorry, don't figure out.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
No, no, no, I'm sorry for interrupting you. Uh, but this
one's really important for people in the West. If you
can get on your planning and zoning board, get on
your fucking planning and zoning board. Because if they want
to put a down micro trip factory in Idaho Falls,
the Planning and Zoning board has to approve that. So
if you can get on there and be like, no,
we just we're not going to improve this because we
don't want twenty five thousand people brought in here from California.
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So get on that if you can.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Sorry, I didn't know that's that's that's absolutely genius right there, man.
I just I love that's that sound advice. It's actionable advice,
and it really is powerful. You know, I think we
kind of wrapped it up right here. Obviously we're gonna
We're gonna talk a little bit more for Patreon account
after we hang up here. But uh, you know where
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can people pay attention to you? Where can they obviously
go get your book The Glass, which man, I'm really
looking forward to to reading that I'm downloading as soon
as we hop off here. You know, where can they
find you? Braxton? And and and what do you got
coming up? That's that's important for you? And and what
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your initiatives are?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Braximccoy dot com is where you can get the book.
I have an Instagram, but I don't really use it,
so x is the easiest place to find me. But
you know I might irritate you, just so be forlorned.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
No, it's my I'm telling you. It's in my top
five accounts to follow. Bro. It was crazy. I don't
know how I got linked to you, but it's like
all of a sudden I saw it and it's just
like your spot on man, and and you do it
and you don't have to go on these crazy like
thread like our twenty five threads. Man, the house seat
(39:53):
you are and now like it's piercing man when you
when you light people up there for sure, dude, Thank you. Yeah,
and it's just it's such a privilege to have you
on and I just really thank.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
You a lot. Oh no, thank you man.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
And if you're in the Mountain West, we just stood
up a Mountain West news show my buddy Patrick can I,
so you can listen to that. It's called Rocky Mountain
Radio wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Sorry, awesome, Rocky Mountain Radio. And all you got to do,
Brax and McCoy Rocky Mountain Radio to file for sure. Man, awesome.
Well again, dude, thank you so much. And if I
see the next issue pop up, man, I just would
really love to have you come back on. I love
your wisdom, I love the way you think, and most importantly,
I love how proud you are of your culture. It's
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critical for us.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Thanks brother, anytime.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Well, when you listen to Braxton McCoy, the reality is
you hear a man that speaks from his heart, regardless
of whether or not you believe everything he says. Regardless
or not he might be offended by anything he says,
uh in his own worlds, he doesn't give a damn.
He's going to speak the truth. Why because he feels
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like his culture is under a sault. He feels like
the generations of his forefathers that have come before him
that they're under a sault. And quite frankly, there's a
part of me that that that that understands that, right,
you know, probably not as deep as his, because you know,
I'm a root. My family's originally from Michigan, which is
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before that, originally from the East Coast. I have a
tremendous amount of Rutherfords that are from the Appalachians, and
you know, and I live in South Florida. So for me,
you know that that the intensity and the depth of
that culture might not be as substantial as what he
was expressing. But I I definitely understand where he's coming
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from and I want to respect that as we should
for most people in their cultures, right because culture takes
time to evolve. I think one of the grand things
that we always think about in this world is is,
or we don't think enough about now, is the power
of culture and how long it takes and to build
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a good culture, to build a culture that you know,
and no culture is perfect by any stretch, that's for sure.
We all know that. If you if you actually look
at the real histories of cultures around the world. But
what we do know is that without cultures, without these
trials and tribulations, cultures fade away pretty rapidly. And if
you look at at the whole concept behind this federal
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lands approach to relieve the the impact of of of
how expensive housing is and how difficult it is for
young people and and and people that don't particularly have
the most marketable skill sets. How come they can't go
into new homes? How can't they be homeowners? And and
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if I mean, when when we look at the last
fiasco that took place under the political drive to make
sure that everybody should own a home right back in
Dodd Frank and where that got us right into the
housing crisis of the subprime fiasco. You know, is this
is this similar? Is this a political ploy? Is this
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a political idea in order to garner uh, you know points,
if you will, to drive people, uh to get behind
all the other initiatives themselves. Now again, you know, I
referenced this Wall Street Journal opinion page at the beginning
of the interview with Braxton, And if if you're not
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familiar with this, the title of this interview was called
Federal Lands Can be Home suite home. Now, this was
authored by the US Department of Housing and Urban Development,
the HUD Secretary Scott Turner, and the Department of an
Interior Secretary Doug Bergham, and it was published mid March
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in twenty twenty five. Now, what it essentially assesses is
that there's a seven million million shortage and affordable homes
from people. And then what it says is the government
is in charge of about five hundred million acres twenty
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eight percent of total US lands. So what's the big deal.
Let's take let's scratch out a couple of these places,
and let's build this low income housing, and let's let's
give these people a shot at the American dream, which
is what home ownership is at its core. I think
it always had, well, maybe not always, but certainly since
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post Industrial Revolution and especially post World War Two, right
where we saw the explosion of suburbs initiated, you know,
starting out in Long Island and then really spreading across
the country to be able to get out of these
city centers, have a nice piece of land, build a home,
buy a home, and build this lifestyle to create what
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a beautiful local culture that's sustainable. And I think it's
it's they're in every right to recognize this shortfall, and
I commend them for bringing out But the problem is
is that, you know, you put something like that out
and it sounds awesome, and it sounds great, but there's
a bunch of things that immediately pop up, right, like
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what what's the scale of the impact that it will
have on federal lands? And you also got to realize
that a huge percentage of federal land is not around
any city center. Right, So now what you're doing is
you're talking about commercial development that's going to have to
function in conjunction. Right And by the way, I did
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not intend that rhyme to be there. It just happened.
That's going to have function in conjunction with these homes.
So you're going to have massive business development in all
of these places too. Now, don't get me wrong, I
love business development, but I live in the land of
strip malls. And how many more strip malls do we
need next to what the Devil's Plateau or whatever that
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beautiful place that was out in I think in Utah
out close Encounters is where it became famous. Right, But
is that what you want? You want a strip mall
right next to some of these immaculate lands, and and
you know, I think, you know, one of the greatest
decisions ever made in our country's hissuy history was Teddy
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Roosevelt and his conservationalism and establishing these beautiful places that
we could keep pristine in order to really be able
to reflect on the magnitude of what America is as
a whole from just a visual perspective, and then also
what you receive when you go to this. Like, my
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earliest memory that I've ever had in my life was
the memory of being in Yosemite Park when I was
like four years old, and I just remember, you know,
these incredible hikes that my father ended up having me
to put on his shoulders as I'm you know, we're
ascending to these these these tops of these peaks in
these areas, and when you look out over the Yosemite Valley,
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you know that that was impactful. So, you know, I
don't want to strip themll near there. I don't want
some big box store, and I certainly don't want it
to flood with with with people who maybe perhaps don't
understand the importance of the cultures that support those lands. Right,
the people that have been there for for for generations. Now.
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The other aspect is, you know, what is the affordability
of all these going to look like? Right? Is this
going to be a federal investment or are they going
to utilize our tax dollars or is it going to
come from foreign investment? Some of the seven trillion dollar commitments,
are they going to build a new super conductor or
are they going to build some new uh factory in
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order to support the new houses that people that they
need jobs in these areas? So what does that look
like too? Or are we going to pay for this
or is it going to be outside influence and where's
that coming from? I think the other aspect always is
if you've ever built anything on federal or state property, uh,
the amount of regulatory or red tape that's involved is staggering.
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So what does that look like? You can guarant damn
tea that there's gonna be lawsuits out the wazoo about
people coming in to protect the you know, the hook
build finch or the you know, the spotted salmon that's
out there, right, And is that going to be you know,
uh going to cause all other problems within that too?
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And and don't get me wrong. I'm I'm I'm certainly
not a climate alarmist in any way, shape or form,
But I am a I am a thought full conference conservationalists.
How is going to affect uh local populations of of
of elk or or other you know species that are
provide a contributed factor to how those lands function and work?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (49:19):
I think the also, you know, it's obvious that we
need to dig in a little deeper. What is the
feasibility reality behind this? Is it something? How long is
this project going to take? And so let's say it
gets funded. Let's say the companies come in, they get
behind it, you know, they go through all the red tape. Well,
then how much how long is it going to be
taken in active? So are they going to start the project?
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And then let's say, uh, you know Trump's out of
office after these four years. Let's say JD. E. Vance
doesn't win the next election or whoever the Republican or
MAGA party movement is going to be, Well, who takes
over that? Do they shut it down? Immediately? Bring back
us into the Paris Climate Accords? And and then and
then what happens to all those investors? You know, these
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are real things that we need to think about before
you know what this looks like. Now, obviously, again this
is all about political framing, uh, in terms of the
Golden Age and what President Trump wants to bring. And
I am all for that one hundred percent. In particular,
I'm all behind this idea that we need to make
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more affordable housing. But does it necessarily have to be
a component of of going after federal lands?
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Now?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
You know what's interesting to me is, you know, I
think and this was you know, what you really have
to understand is that the total land area of the
US is about two point two seven billion acres, right
roughly nine point two million square kilometers, and as of
twenty twenty two, protected areas covered approximately four hundred and
(50:55):
seventy seven thousand square miles or one point two million
square kilometers, equating to that thirteen percent figure. Right Now,
what's interesting is you have to be able to get
down to the reality of what does the actual housing
market look like? And why, right, why are we in
(51:17):
this situation in the first place where they want to
propose this right is it? Is it solely because we
have so many new people that have come into America,
which you know is definitely part of it. But what
I also believe it's it's more indicative of you know
the fact that that GDP is rising at such a
(51:39):
slow level one because we offshore Joe's We just covered
that with with Bryce gill and what that looks like
in terms of the d industrialization and hopefully, as he
was very positive bringing on shoring back jobs. So hopefully
with this tariff and bringing you know, industrialization back to
the United States, those those wages will go up in
(52:01):
those and new jobs. Right now. He also said that
we're a seventy percent service industry, so is there space
to grow there? I think there absolutely is giant space
to grow. You know, when you look at the numbers
for job growth over the last four years in the
last administration, the overwhelming majority of that growth came from
(52:23):
government jobs. And my personal favorite was if you looked
at the people who were following those numbers intimately, right,
they'd post these numbers and then a month and a half,
a month later, month, two months later, they'd come out
and all of those numbers would be you know, downsides considerably,
And why were they doing that? You know, my guess
(52:45):
is for political reasons and a lot of those those
most of those numbers came from job growth within the
government sector, and some of what we're finding out now
is a lot of those jobs were given to ill
legal immigrants, and so that's another factor of this. You know,
are these seven million homes going to be dedicated towards
(53:06):
illegal immigrants? You know, I don't know. That creates this
whole cultural issue, and I'll touch on that in a
little bit. So, you know, one of the things that
you know, when you start to be able to evaluate,
you know, the cost of homes that are out there,
you know, it's you know, I want you to think
about this. So this is this is an interesting statistic
(53:27):
that I found. So the National Association of home Builders
the NAHB, reported in early twenty twenty five that a
quarter point increase in mortgage rates, example, from six point
five to seven six point seventy five prices out approximately
one point one four million households from affording a medium
(53:49):
price new home, which was around four hundred and twenty
five thousand dollars nationwide at the time, with rage fluctuating
near seven percent in twenty twenty five, higher than six
point six point five baseline percent baseline in their model.
The number of effective household grows posts on X from
(54:09):
early April twenty twenty five suggests an even starker figure.
One claims ninety four million households. That's seventy percent of
US households can't afford a four hundred thousand dollars home,
which another estimates seventy six point four million households fifty
(54:30):
seven percent can't afford a three hundred thousand dollars home. Now,
to give you a greater context on this, I'm gonna
tell you, all right, here is a list of some
of those states where they're talking about federal new homes
are going to be. All right, So this is medium
(54:50):
house numbers for these states, all right, Wyoming three hundred
and forty thousand dollars. Right. Obviously, rural areas are cheaper,
but this, you know, Jackson prices Vermont three hundred and
eighty thousand dollars, Alaska three hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
North Dakota two hundred and sixty thousand dollars, South Dakota
(55:13):
three hundred thousand, Delaware four hundred thousand, Rhode Island four
hundred and fifty, Montana four hundred and sixty thousand. All right,
Maine three hundred and ninety thousand, Idaho four hundred and
forty thousand, New Mexico three hundred thousand, Mississippi one hundred
(55:34):
and sixty thousand, Iowa two hundred and thirty thousand, Nevada
four hundred and twenty thousand. These houses are incredible, and
I think, you know, for most young people out there
that are have this American dream, how are they going
to achieve that? So, you know, before we get all
(55:56):
fired up and building all this new federal these new
low income housing on federal lands, why don't we talk
about maybe how we reduce some of those housing prices,
or how we increase people's wages. Now, the other little
hidden secret behind all this, which I believe plays a
massive role in all of this, is who owns the
(56:21):
vast majority of inventory out there? Now, if you're like
me and you're in my area, what you saw in
COVID pre COVID and then certainly post COVID is you
saw this exorbitant explosion in what airb and bs. I
have one on my street and there's a probably coming
for another one here soon too. Right, we look at
(56:44):
Airbnb explosion all over the place. We also looked at
at low income housing and apartment complexes. Rents went up
in all of those. So Airbnbs drove rents, low income
housing drove rents. Now, why, well, it's easy, it's private equity,
it's asset management. Firms like Blackrock sort of give you
(57:06):
an idea about Blackrock and their stake in commercial and
private real estate. Here you go. Blackrock does have indirect
exposure to residential real estate market through its stakes and
companies that own homes. For example, it owns a majority
stake in American Homes for Rent, a real estate investment
TRUCKS or an ri E rate that owns approximately fifty
(57:30):
nine thousand single family homes. As of recent reports, Blackrocks
ownership in this company is around six point seven percent,
which equates to indirect interests and a fraction of those
homes roughly nine hundred and fifty three homes based on
that percentage. Additionally, Blackrock is a sharehold holder in Invitation Homes,
(57:51):
the largest operator of single family rentals in the US,
which owns about eighty eighty Let me repeat that, eighty
thousand homes, all right. The other one you need to
understand is Blackstone, And many times these two are conflated together.
But you need to be able to just the point
I'm trying to make is that much of the inventory
(58:13):
is not going from person to person or being passed
down generlation or or or you know, people just building
on available land. These our mega corporations that are controlling
these markets to a high degree. So Blackstone different, a
different firm often confused with black Rocks, has a more
(58:35):
direct role in owning homes through subsidiaries like Invitation Homes,
which it founded but later spun off and currently owns
around sixty two thousand single family homes its portfolio companies.
All right, now, what does all this mean to kind
of drill it down for you? Right, we have a
(58:58):
housing crisis. New government wants to come in and try
and solve that new crisis. Now, whether you think it's
a political ploy or whether you think they're actually going
to deliver on what they promised, that's up to you.
It's that's yet to be seen because of all the
things we talked about. But what I do know is
I recognize that the two main aspects of my mind
(59:21):
are one. Yeah, I don't know if there is such
a shortfall. But what I really know is that people
aren't earning enough in order to be able to afford
these down payments on these homes. And that's why you've
really locked out this massive group of young people, you know,
the Gen zs whoever you want to talk about, which
(59:44):
is actually a bigger portion of people in the United
States than the Baby Boomers were. It's in fact going
to be the greatest purchasing generation in human history, and
so it's critical to understand in my mind, where are
those people going to want to live? And then how
(01:00:04):
are we going to pay them more money? I believe
it it's going to be more along the lines of
sparking the economy, creating new interests on showing new jobs
and new industries. I think AI is going to open
and explode for the service industries in ways we can't imagine.
So when you listen to Braxton, and hopefully you heard
(01:00:29):
the genuineness of where he was coming from, you heard
the pain in his heart, not because he's angry at
people who need homes by any stretch of the measure,
But what he was offering for you to hear him
was the fact that through political initiatives. He believes his
(01:00:53):
culture is under jeopardy. I had talked kind of in
the beginning of this what I wanted that I talk
about culture, and I also shared that, you know, because
of my background and path that you know, is the
culture of where I'm from? Is it? Is it something
that I really feel connected to I do to a
(01:01:13):
certain degree. Don't get get me wrong, My all my
five six one homies out there, right, I love you guys.
We grew up. But man, this place has been around
since like the nineteen eighties. Really, you know, so the depths,
my kids, you know, dig it here. But it's not
like they're willing to go to a go to battle
(01:01:34):
for our culture here. But people out in those places
whose generations before them actually had to hack out of
the savagery of of of what the West was and
build from nothing in those brutal winners and to really
(01:01:57):
to really cut out in existence from the savagery of
what it meant to live back in those days. Man,
we have to adhere to that, we have to acknowledge that.
And I genuinely believe that culture is something that we
want to protect in people. So that's all I have
(01:02:18):
to say. About it. I hope you understand where I'm
coming from. I hope I've been succinct enough. I hope
I've given it some common sense and a little bit
of critical thinking to it. And I've hoped you'd enjoyed
my little rant there.
Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Thank you,
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