In this powerful episode of The David Rutherford Show, Navy SEAL David Rutherford sits down with Sully, the founder of Black Ops Toys, to explore how one man’s passion for precision and patriotism is changing the way we honor America’s warriors. These aren’t just toys — they’re museum-quality action figures that pay tribute to real-life heroes like Chris Kyle and John Chapman.
Rut and Sully dive deep into how Black Ops Toys builds each one-of-a-kind 1/6 scale figure with stunning detail, from HALO jump gear to Vietnam-era kits, and why these miniatures carry massive meaning — not just for collectors, but for kids discovering what courage looks like.
Whether you're a veteran, a father, or just someone who believes in honoring our legacy, this conversation will hit home.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's help everybody. Welcome to the David Rutherford Show again. Man,
I've been so excited about this interview first like weeks
on end, but I am I am beyond just honored
and excited to welcome Sully from Black Ops Toys to
the show today. Sully, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
David, thank you for having me. I'm super stoked to
be here.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know, one of the things Man and I, you know,
we were chatting yesterday about it. You know, I grew
up in the seventies and so like Big Jim Toys
and g I Big g the old school g I Joe's.
I actually have a well, you know, a collector's edition
from The Frogman from back in the fifties, original and
and and I just love the whole idea behind what
(00:48):
those toys can do for free play and the imagination.
You know, tell us a little bit about, you know,
what was the inspiration for wanting to get into the
incredible business and becoming, in my opinion, probably the best
out there at doing what you do.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know, creative dumb luck. Sometimes God has a plan
and sometimes things work out a certain way, and it's
just a lot of a lot of passion and a
lot of play skills.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Okay, all right, So it was it one particular uh
a figurine that that got you that you saw or
was it just you saw this void in the space.
I mean, you know, you go back to the old
figurines and you know the I think the the part
you know, the clothing was always okay, it was decent.
(01:40):
They had used to have those like stretch bands, you know,
the back and it was real basic. But what what
those people do versus what you do? And and for
our our listeners out there who aren't familiar Sully in
his company Black Ops Toys, they produce the most realistic
one six figurines that you will ever see in your life.
(02:02):
I found him a few years ago on Instagram and
you know it just it's these figurines are the most
incredible pieces of art you've ever seen. You can get
a Navy seal in full haho equipment, I mean down
to his oxygen mask as perfect as goggling. Oh what
do you got there?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
For?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Is selly?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
This is Chris Kyle.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
This is one six scale. So one six scale is
essentially twelve inches tall. And when I got started, I
loved back in the day. I love the old school
Gi Joe's. I drew up on the three and three quarter.
I always had an affinity though, because I wanted to
see more detail. And then I got into one six scale.
I got laid up and my grandma had bought me
(02:47):
a couple of these, and I had started to mix
and match the pieces and kind of get creative with
them and use one parts from one, put them on
the other, and kind of customize and make my own.
And that kind of got the ball rolling, and I
saw opportunity because one six scale wasn't necessarily even talked
about in these markets. Over here, we had old school
(03:09):
g I Joe, the twelve inch action man. When you
were growing up, you're not that much older than me,
but that's that's kind of the where it started. And
we saw toy stores like Toys r US carried these
companies got called twenty first Century, which were these twelve
inch you know, old school action figures, and you could
have modern military, you could have World War Two, you
(03:31):
could have good guys, you could have bad guys. They
even made vehicles. But that's where I kind of got
my my kickstart with this stuff and then what I
did with that was I wanted to customize and kind
of make them better. And that's kind of how we
all got into this. So yeah, that's where we're at.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I remember, like my biggest gripe always was you know,
the weapons were always so bad, right, the weapons were
bad like if you had if you got one other
piece with it, it wasn't great. But what you're doing
is like nothing I've ever seen before. I mean, like
when I I mean, I found a couple people over
(04:10):
I think it was over an Asian market that was
doing it. But when I got to you and I saw,
like I told you last night we were talking, when
I saw your quad nod helmet mounted, you know, full
dev Greu style helmet system, that's when I was like, man,
this is a master at his craft. How long did
(04:30):
it take you to figure out how to get that
detailed and what was the process.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So so the way to get the detail is to
replicate the real thing and scale it down. So when
we do our basically we looked at real kit in
real gear, we see how it works, how it functions,
and then we try to make make it to scale
and one six scale and like these weapons for example,
like this is a sniper rifle. This has a removable
(04:58):
magazine you can pop out. It has a metal round. Wow,
you can actually move the bolts of the bolt. Move
my gosh, bipod comes down, you can change the scope out.
Cheek ryiser comes up in the back. But it's fully detailed,
just like the real thing. The object was to get
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us as realistic as we could, or something that would
be a museum quality, hyper detailed action figure to put
on your desk.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Wow. And and so when you first began, I mean,
obviously you know these types of detailed I mean they're
not even toys like you said, these are these are
these are pieces of art right right, these are museum
quold pieces of art. How do you begin to even
find where to do that or how to do that? Like,
(05:50):
I mean, did you have to invent all of this
from scratch yourself?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No? No, I didn't have to invent it all. I
just had to figure out where to go to do it.
We tried to to obviously. Uh. We started buying and selling,
We started becoming a distributor, and we started to carry
the products that were already made. What we wanted to
do is we wanted to upgrade those essentially and make
them better quality. So we went out with the idea of,
(06:17):
if we're going to do something, let's let's do something
where we we do something based on a real person.
So let's let's create a figure that's a legacy, that
that is a real person during a real tour of duty.
And let's create that and create all of the gear
that you wore and allow that to represent that human
being to fans and to people that would appreciate art
(06:40):
like this.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Wow. Well and you held up the Chris Kyle doll,
that not doll, but but a figure. You know, which
is I mean for me, it's it's it's not only
just is the is the is what you're creating? Cool?
But you know, I had the incredible opportunity to you know,
I was one small little fraction of of influence in
(07:03):
his development as a frog man. You know, he went
through SQT when I was in an SQT instructor. But man,
when you when that came out, when I found that figureine,
I was just so overwhelmed because you know, the whole
idea of what can take place in these images, you know,
you know where you you I mean, think of all
the people that you know have these profound respect for
(07:26):
not only these individuals, these heroes in their lives, but
also these time frames, these moments, because I think that
that's also a big piece too. Right, you can create
a piece for somebody that embodies a whole memory, a
whole idea of time frame within with whatever spectrum you're doing,
whether it's a John Wick figurine or it's a Vietnam
(07:50):
or a World War two? Is that kind of the
hope that you're doing with these?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, So essentially it's a snapshot in history, right, So
it's a snapshot and the person was there, this is
who they were, this has represented them, this is what
they used, and it's it's a snapshot in history, and
it's a piece of history. To be honest with you,
these are so small batch, Like we don't do anything
over three hundred to five hundred units and that's WORLDWI.
(08:17):
So these are very small batch, very meticulous, and very
just pieces of creative art that represent that character in
that snapshot of history.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
How do you how do you pick who you who
or what time period you want to do?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's a really good question. We've I'm into modern stuff.
I'm into modern military stuff, so that's kind of my genre.
I'm obviously a lover of all the stuff modern war movies,
you know, characters, books, navy seals, you know, they don't
I look up to people like that, and I wanted
(08:55):
to honor this, this class of people, and so to
pick somebody. We don't do many of these, so we
do basically one legacy figure a year, so it's a
very small amount to do that. We obviously we want
to contact the family first, we want to make sure
that we get permission, and then we want to collect
(09:15):
all the data we can from teammates, from family where
there it's high school photos, your book photos, in order
to create the lifelike head sculpt So that's a big
portion of it. And then we want to check in
with teammates to see exactly is this the correct gear,
is this what they use? Get any pictures that we
can and just kind of build a file and from
that file, then we start the process of prototyping.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Wow, that's incredible. Can you list some of the some
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that's incredible. Can you list some of the some of
the legacy figures that you've done?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Sure, so, I've done Chris Kyle. We've done Mark A. Lee.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Oh, that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Mark was salty human.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Being Yeah, good human being good.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, I'm really solid.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
We've done Mark Forrester, which was a cct uh. Currently
we have we have two legacy figures on the plate
that are upcoming that we're currently working on.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Are the secret can you can you look? Can you
tell us right now?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I'll tell you one. So one right now is John Chapman. Yes,
so that's a that's a big deal. And then there's
a great story behind that, and maybe that's that's for
another time, but there's a great story behind let me.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Let me just tell everybody. John Chapman is a metal
really when you think about the g Watt was the
first individual in an in an event and it was
actually a part of Roberts Ridge where Neil Roberts, a
frogman at dev group, was shot well, fell out of
a ch forty seven after a rocket because they were
(11:46):
trying to take out a Dishka anti aircraft gun. He
fell out of the back and then was in a
running gun fight with these tal Bank guys and all
kind of guys. They came back for a rescue mission
and and Chapman and another frogman who also received the
Medal of Honor for this, they assaulted this machine gun
(12:07):
ness by himself but essentially by themselves, and Chapman led
the charge. And it's the only Medal of Honor story
that is actually filmed in real time. You can look
it up on Utah YouTube go and you'll see John
Chapman predator view of a Medal of Honor and you
can watch his whole movement. You know, I was in
(12:29):
country not you know, a few months after this happened,
and it was one of the most profound things that
was you know, permeated across the soft community of what
he did on that incredible day. So the fact that
you're honoring him is just overwhelming, not only I think
for the entire soft community, but for anybody who's been,
(12:52):
you know, actively paying attention to the GWAT over the
last twenty plus years. So just Sally, thank you so
much for one wanting to you know, memorialize these these
men and these incidents in such a profound way. It's
just really a beautiful gesture on your part.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You know. I I feel like like it's not just
it's I love. I love to do this type of thing,
and I love to have have it be for the
right reason, if that makes sense. I wanted to be
a good project, I wanted to bring people together. I
want it to be for the right reasons, and I
want to do it the right way. So I'm excited
(13:31):
to be able to do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Well, another place I just want to chat about is
is And obviously everybody go Chuck check out at black
Ops Toys on Instagram. It's it's where I found him.
It's incredible. But he's also got this really cool YouTube
channel as well, where you describe in detail how you
put it all together, and and I remember watching the
(13:53):
first one and I was just like, you know, I
think one of the ones that really struck me before
is you had this six guns shooter belt. I forget
what figurine it was for, but you have your little
tweezers and you're putting the ammunition in the belt itself. So,
you know, can you give us some kind of understanding
of how long the process takes, what are some of
(14:16):
the more difficult aspects about the manufacturing, both of the
weapon systems or ammunition, and then most especially the meticulousness
of the kit and the gear that you have.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Right, so pretty much everything on these figures is hand done.
It's got some sort of hand involvement in it. As
far as the weapon systems, they're super intricate. So example,
we worked with Barrett Firearms about I think I want
to say seven or eight years ago. We did a
Barrett mrad for them for shot Show, and they sent
(14:50):
us a Barrett m Rad and we looked at it,
scaled it down, three D modeled it and then produced it.
But we produced all the parts essentially that made the
real kit injection molden and made a one six scale firearm. Wow,
super super cool.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
The first thing in my head is like, can they fire?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Right, That's what everybody asks. No they can't fire. No,
they can't fire.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, you had you like in the future, you'll be able.
They'll have like their little AI components and the dude
will be on the desk and then all of a
sudden it be like.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
God, the videos coming. Yeah, so we're starting to see
video animation from AI and a lot of people are
animating their figures right now. So it's very very.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That's awesome, man, I'm gonna have to look those up.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
What I'd like to say is you got to think
about these things like model kids. So back when you
were a kid. You know, our standard customer base is,
you know, anywhere from twenty five to fifty five. And
these are guys that love models. They love to tinker,
they love firearms, they love to put stuff together, they
love to upgrade things. So when you come into the
industry and you start to look at this stuff, you know,
(15:55):
it blows everybody away. You know, if you have a
figure on your desk and somebody walks into your office,
the first thing they do is go, what is that
that is so cool? Where can I get one? So
it's got that kind of pow and now wow. But
you can start with a Minton Box figure. Minton Box
is basically just a figure design like the Chris Kyle
at the Mark Lee and it comes with everything you
(16:17):
need in the box and you put it together with
tweezers and with you know, some patients. We do have
a YouTube channel where I do build guides and I
kind of show you how to put stuff together, how
things work. But really, I mean, this is something that's
that's kind of an escape for people. This is something
that you can tinker with, you can concentrate on, and
you can make something that's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That that's incredible. I you know, one of the I
think great lessons when with little kids. I mean back
in the day, you know, my uncle used to take
me to these model, little model shops in western Michigan,
you know, the Dutch used to have these, and you
know we'd go in and he'd be like, all right,
this is a battle scene from Get or whatever, and
(17:01):
you can get them in assemble them, or you can
get them and paint each each figurine and you know,
you have the little guides and all that stuff. And
there was just something that I think you know ingrained
in me as a child, the beauty, the meticulous, the
thoughtfulness of those those those uh, those figurines and the
(17:23):
way you know it. And then also more importantly the
time with my uncle and or the time with my
dad or whatever it might have been. Is is that
a part of this that you you you hope is
happening when people purchase these that they're having that type
of exchange with with their children.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You know, I want people to talk about it. I
want people to do it together. It's just like building
an RC car with your kid. It allows you to
be creative and that's a huge deal now, you know,
to to actually enjoy something and be able to fidget
with it and do something with it and have something
that you're proud of. And this is something that takes time.
It takes it takes patience, and it takes dedication. But
(18:04):
you can become a master class action figure builder and
you can just upgrade these things to your heart's content.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Well, you know, another another really cool things I you know,
as I it's so hard for me because obviously I
told you I have four daughters, and so you know
the extent of my action figures as a kid or
for them as kids was Barbie, you know, and that
was short lived. So I was like, as I'm scrolling through,
you know, uh spetsnot skuy oh, I want that one
(18:31):
or my personal favorite, all the variations of the private
military contractor because he spends so much, and I'm like, dude,
I wore that exact kit back in five.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's like it sucks me in. And I was joking
with you, you know, I tell you my my new wife, Jada,
you know, is is like is like, I, you know,
I have in my my old office, you know, all
these little you know, things all over the place, and
she's reduced that down except for my you know, I've
got my life. And I go, I'm going to get this.
When she goes, you're not getting that one, and I
(19:02):
was like, I'm going to get this and she's like,
you're not gonna So like, let me. These are not
inexpensive pieces obviously, and and what you know, what what
do you see in terms of the feedback you're getting
from people who are purchasing these for you from you people.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
That's that cevs absolutely love them, and typically a customer
that buys one is going to buy more. And what
we're able to do on our website is you're able
to buy a Minting Box unit, but you're also able
to buy the parts and pieces. So we take Minting
Box figures and we part them out so you can
buy the chest rig from this one. You can buy
the weapons system from this one. You could buy the
(19:41):
sneakers from this one. You could buy the head sculpt here,
so you can kind of mix and match and create
your own to your heart's content.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well that's what I got when I you know, every
time I go to your website, Like it was funny.
We're sitting around dinner and after dinner and and I'm
scrolling through. My kids are like, what are you doing
right now? And my oldest walks over and and I'm
staring at I'm literally staring at Vietnam h gear right
and and she goes, what are you doing right now?
(20:09):
And I'm like, I'm I'm assembling the perfect action figure.
Leave me alone, right, you know? And I think that
that's such a cool aspect of it, like you can
you have so many different parts and so many different
pieces of kid and clothing that you really can That's
my The other aspect you can you can generate your
(20:31):
entire own world or or an idea with what you
want to see. And and this doesn't it's not just
regulated to a particular time period. I mean, you have
you know movie action figures. You know whether it's John
Wick and you know I love the the You have
the boxes with the gold pieces in them, and you
know his weapons, and so you could take all those
(20:54):
and infuse them together. Do you do you find that
a lot of people like to do that. So sorry
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you could take all those and infuse them together. Do
you find that a lot of people like to do that?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
A lot of people love this hobby. The issue is
that the hobby hasn't seen a lot of growth. And
the reason I think that it hasn't seen a lot
of growth is in the last couple of years we've
seen kind of the decline of the real American hero
type action figure. We don't go into Target and Walmart
and and see g I. Joe and you know, World
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War one, World War two, modern stuff. We just don't
see it. So everything has gone more soft and more
towards you know, other flavors.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, otherlip good well, put well, put well. I'll tell
you what he under, David Rutherford show our our main
objective right is to is to kind of bring all
of that stuff back right the you know us as
gen xers. You know it's like, man, these these iconic
action figures or these iconic movie like I talk about
(22:34):
it all the time, like the dose I had as
a kid. And again I'll contextualize it with with these
types of figurines. I would we would go to my
grandmother and grandfather's house. And my grandmother was a massive
John Wayne fan and she had multiple John Wayne dolls.
She had one from Rio Bravo, which is like the
(22:56):
first like shoot him Up movie I remember as a kid,
and she had one from when you know the Green
Berets and and you know, in his classic green beret.
And I just was fascinated by these these really unique
aspects of of of masculinity and and in the ideal
(23:16):
role model or the hero. And you know, forget the
eighties where it was you know, John Rambo and Commando
and Bruce Willis and I love your Bruce Willis figure
out there too from Die Hard, you know, and you know,
so how what do we do? Like we're I mean,
is it is it as much just word of mouth
(23:36):
that people find you or is that the best way
you think people are being reintroduced to these ideas?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
You know, getting it out there is hard. It's very
very difficult. It's difficult because of social media and in algorithms.
I don't know if you want to go into this
real quick, but algorithms essentially see anything to a anything
firearms related, and they kind of put it on the
back burner, so people can't see it, and so they
put it as regulated goods and they flag your posts
and then you can't be shown to the new followers.
(24:05):
So I've got a real hard time, uh, getting it
out there. But the best people, they're the best way
to do it is to tell people about it, to
show them a physical like, look at what I got.
You want to see where to get it? This is
where you get it, and you know, just tell people
about it.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, I bet people who actually have the figurines are like,
I don't want anybody else to know about this, Like
I've got the I've got the coolest thing in the
whole world. It's it's just mine and nobody else. Well,
I mean that's that's the main reason why I wanted
to have you on as man. I want you know,
every you know, little boy or teenage boy or even girls,
(24:42):
because I know you make some really cool girl figuringes too.
What what what are some of the girl focus that
you've had in the past as well too?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Typically the female stuff that I've done is just PMC related,
So we've taken all sorts of modern kit and created
a female version of a PMC. So we're allowed to
take the best and the genes and whatever's cool. I
guess whatever I think is cool, we can put on
a figure and do something new with it.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
When I saw you had the contractor with the Vans,
with the multiicam Vans, That's when I was like, dude,
that's it. I'm like, I'm in love with Sully. You know,
I didn't. I don't even know who you are. And
I'm like, god, I you know, at some time our
past are gonna cross and I'm gonna you know, I'm
gonna get to meet this guy because you you what
(25:31):
you're doing Sully is so unique and it's so needed. Right.
We need to get back to delivering these types of
of of of figurines. I mean, what I would love
to see is, you know, you get so big in
terms of manufacturing that you can produce, you know, the
next lower model, so you can mass produce these things
(25:54):
and we can get them into Walmarts and Target.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
It'd be great man to do a big box store,
but to have something cool, like something's right that you
want to walk in there with your boy and go
which one do you want? Let's buy all of them,
Let's go play in the backyard. Let's do something cool.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well, I it's so funny. I you know, I told
you I'm real close with Sean Ryan, and you know,
I as with four daughters. You know, I can't that
that time has passed.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Like, he's got a young son who's only three, and
I keep telling him, Hey, man, can I send him
this one? He's like, no, not yet, because you know,
he's like bro. You know, he's like bro, he loves trains.
And I was like, let me give him one of these,
though He's he's like not yet, dude. So I mean,
you know, how does that happen? How do we get
(26:42):
to a place where that can take place? I mean,
you know, is there a manufacturing that can do that
for you? Is there a partnership that if you were
to like imagine the perfect partnership, what does that look
like in order for you to scale your business?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Man, the perfect partnership would be to have somebody who
knew the manufacturing side but stateside, so stuff we can
do here locally to decrease the cost would be great.
There's stuff that I partner with a company called Easy
and Simple, and they are the best in the business
(27:20):
in my opinion, and making military action figures. Wow, and
they do all everything is super hand detailed, so every
head sculpt is hand painted, every uniform is stitched correctly
in scale. So it's very very high end, detail oriented
focus when it comes to producing these things. So I
(27:42):
would love to be able to bring at least parts
of that here so we could could decrease the cost,
increase the amount we produce, and get it out there
into mainstream retailers.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Oh my god, that would be unbelievable. You know. Now
You've got my my wheels turning as I'm starting to
think of all the billionaires. I know that quite a few.
So I'm trying to process, like, all right, what does
this factory look like? How big is the machining? I mean,
(28:17):
obviously this company that you work with, I mean they
have to make these molds, every single one of these
molds correct, correct?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Wow. And so so just that process alone, you know,
and I think it goes back to that idea of
manufacturing and and and bringing that that mentality back to
at least the States. I'm assuming that the group you
work with is overseas, correct, It's overseas, okay, all right?
So so you know, I mean the whole idea man
(28:46):
of being able to have somebody work with you in
your own back or you are you know, working with
this new factory or or manufacturing organization where you live,
and I mean and just being able to produce these
at scale. It's just a no brainer for me. But
you're right, there is this kind of cultural hurdle that
(29:08):
we need to get over. I you know, thankfully, I
think we're we're starting to see that a little bit.
But but still, I know there's a lot of a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Work that needs to be done.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
There's a lot of work to be done, all right,
So Solly, you know what's you know, give us a
final you know, couple ideas or or concepts about who,
what would this gift be great for? Who who benefits
it from it? And and just you know, uh what,
and then finish with just you know, why is it
(29:41):
such a passion for you to be able to do this?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Sure when we started this whole thing that and you
kind of nailed it on the head, is we want
wanted to produce kind of a hero, right, we want
we want something that people go in and they see
and they're like, I want to be more like that person.
I want to I want to live my life like
nobly and I want to do things, you know, for
other people. And the projects are are amazing. Right. So
(30:09):
the family, you know, obviously they get a piece of history,
They get an icon of a person that they loved,
and other people that that look up to that person
or know about that person can now have something that
represents them and kind of their character on their desk,
which is kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Oh amen to that, Sully brother. I just I absolutely
love what you do. If you're listening to this, go
visit Blackoptoys dot com, go through the website, find all
these they have pre made, already boxed, all the different pieces.
But I'm telling you this organization, this company is exactly
(30:54):
what defines America. This company is the group, it's the
This is what we need. We need to bring this
type of toy, this type of of of historic momento
back into the mainstream. So Sally, I can't thank you enough, brother,
and and you got to promise me when you when
(31:15):
you're done with the Chapman one, you'll come back on
We'll do a whole other thing. You can describe it,
go through the whole thing with us.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I would love to do that. That'd be super cool.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Perfect well, thank you so much, Sally, God bless you,
and I hope you. I hope this you crush it.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Thank you very much, God bless you, and thank you
for for doing this. I appreciate it.
Let's help everybody. Welcome to the David Rutherford Show again. Man,
I've been so excited about this interview first like weeks
on end, but I am I am beyond just honored
and excited to welcome Sully from Black Ops Toys to
the show today. Sully, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
David, thank you for having me. I'm super stoked to
be here.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know, one of the things Man and I, you know,
we were chatting yesterday about it. You know, I grew
up in the seventies and so like Big Jim Toys
and g I Big g the old school g I Joe's.
I actually have a well, you know, a collector's edition
from The Frogman from back in the fifties, original and
and and I just love the whole idea behind what
(00:48):
those toys can do for free play and the imagination.
You know, tell us a little bit about, you know,
what was the inspiration for wanting to get into the
incredible business and becoming, in my opinion, probably the best
out there at doing what you do.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know, creative dumb luck. Sometimes God has a plan
and sometimes things work out a certain way, and it's
just a lot of a lot of passion and a
lot of play skills.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Okay, all right, So it was it one particular uh
a figurine that that got you that you saw or
was it just you saw this void in the space.
I mean, you know, you go back to the old
figurines and you know the I think the the part
you know, the clothing was always okay, it was decent.
(01:40):
They had used to have those like stretch bands, you know,
the back and it was real basic. But what what
those people do versus what you do? And and for
our our listeners out there who aren't familiar Sully in
his company Black Ops Toys, they produce the most realistic
one six figurines that you will ever see in your life.
(02:02):
I found him a few years ago on Instagram and
you know it just it's these figurines are the most
incredible pieces of art you've ever seen. You can get
a Navy seal in full haho equipment, I mean down
to his oxygen mask as perfect as goggling. Oh what
do you got there?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
For?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Is selly?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
This is Chris Kyle.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
This is one six scale. So one six scale is
essentially twelve inches tall. And when I got started, I
loved back in the day. I love the old school
Gi Joe's. I drew up on the three and three quarter.
I always had an affinity though, because I wanted to
see more detail. And then I got into one six scale.
I got laid up and my grandma had bought me
(02:47):
a couple of these, and I had started to mix
and match the pieces and kind of get creative with
them and use one parts from one, put them on
the other, and kind of customize and make my own.
And that kind of got the ball rolling, and I
saw opportunity because one six scale wasn't necessarily even talked
about in these markets. Over here, we had old school
(03:09):
g I Joe, the twelve inch action man. When you
were growing up, you're not that much older than me,
but that's that's kind of the where it started. And
we saw toy stores like Toys r US carried these
companies got called twenty first Century, which were these twelve
inch you know, old school action figures, and you could
have modern military, you could have World War Two, you
(03:31):
could have good guys, you could have bad guys. They
even made vehicles. But that's where I kind of got
my my kickstart with this stuff and then what I
did with that was I wanted to customize and kind
of make them better. And that's kind of how we
all got into this. So yeah, that's where we're at.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I remember, like my biggest gripe always was you know,
the weapons were always so bad, right, the weapons were
bad like if you had if you got one other
piece with it, it wasn't great. But what you're doing
is like nothing I've ever seen before. I mean, like
when I I mean, I found a couple people over
(04:10):
I think it was over an Asian market that was
doing it. But when I got to you and I saw,
like I told you last night we were talking, when
I saw your quad nod helmet mounted, you know, full
dev Greu style helmet system, that's when I was like, man,
this is a master at his craft. How long did
(04:30):
it take you to figure out how to get that
detailed and what was the process.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So so the way to get the detail is to
replicate the real thing and scale it down. So when
we do our basically we looked at real kit in
real gear, we see how it works, how it functions,
and then we try to make make it to scale
and one six scale and like these weapons for example,
like this is a sniper rifle. This has a removable
(04:58):
magazine you can pop out. It has a metal round. Wow,
you can actually move the bolts of the bolt. Move
my gosh, bipod comes down, you can change the scope out.
Cheek ryiser comes up in the back. But it's fully detailed,
just like the real thing. The object was to get
(05:21):
us as realistic as we could, or something that would
be a museum quality, hyper detailed action figure to put
on your desk.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Wow. And and so when you first began, I mean,
obviously you know these types of detailed I mean they're
not even toys like you said, these are these are
these are pieces of art right right, these are museum
quold pieces of art. How do you begin to even
find where to do that or how to do that? Like,
(05:50):
I mean, did you have to invent all of this
from scratch yourself?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No? No, I didn't have to invent it all. I
just had to figure out where to go to do it.
We tried to to obviously. Uh. We started buying and selling,
We started becoming a distributor, and we started to carry
the products that were already made. What we wanted to
do is we wanted to upgrade those essentially and make
them better quality. So we went out with the idea of,
(06:17):
if we're going to do something, let's let's do something
where we we do something based on a real person.
So let's let's create a figure that's a legacy, that
that is a real person during a real tour of duty.
And let's create that and create all of the gear
that you wore and allow that to represent that human
being to fans and to people that would appreciate art
(06:40):
like this.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Wow. Well and you held up the Chris Kyle doll,
that not doll, but but a figure. You know, which
is I mean for me, it's it's it's not only
just is the is the is what you're creating? Cool?
But you know, I had the incredible opportunity to you know,
I was one small little fraction of of influence in
(07:03):
his development as a frog man. You know, he went
through SQT when I was in an SQT instructor. But man,
when you when that came out, when I found that figureine,
I was just so overwhelmed because you know, the whole
idea of what can take place in these images, you know,
you know where you you I mean, think of all
the people that you know have these profound respect for
(07:26):
not only these individuals, these heroes in their lives, but
also these time frames, these moments, because I think that
that's also a big piece too. Right, you can create
a piece for somebody that embodies a whole memory, a
whole idea of time frame within with whatever spectrum you're doing,
whether it's a John Wick figurine or it's a Vietnam
(07:50):
or a World War two? Is that kind of the
hope that you're doing with these?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, So essentially it's a snapshot in history, right, So
it's a snapshot and the person was there, this is
who they were, this has represented them, this is what
they used, and it's it's a snapshot in history, and
it's a piece of history. To be honest with you,
these are so small batch, Like we don't do anything
over three hundred to five hundred units and that's WORLDWI.
(08:17):
So these are very small batch, very meticulous, and very
just pieces of creative art that represent that character in
that snapshot of history.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
How do you how do you pick who you who
or what time period you want to do?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's a really good question. We've I'm into modern stuff.
I'm into modern military stuff, so that's kind of my genre.
I'm obviously a lover of all the stuff modern war movies,
you know, characters, books, navy seals, you know, they don't
I look up to people like that, and I wanted
(08:55):
to honor this, this class of people, and so to
pick somebody. We don't do many of these, so we
do basically one legacy figure a year, so it's a
very small amount to do that. We obviously we want
to contact the family first, we want to make sure
that we get permission, and then we want to collect
(09:15):
all the data we can from teammates, from family where
there it's high school photos, your book photos, in order
to create the lifelike head sculpt So that's a big
portion of it. And then we want to check in
with teammates to see exactly is this the correct gear,
is this what they use? Get any pictures that we
can and just kind of build a file and from
that file, then we start the process of prototyping.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
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that's incredible. Can you list some of the some of
the legacy figures that you've done?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Sure, so, I've done Chris Kyle. We've done Mark A. Lee.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Oh, that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Mark was salty human.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Being Yeah, good human being good.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, I'm really solid.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
We've done Mark Forrester, which was a cct uh. Currently
we have we have two legacy figures on the plate
that are upcoming that we're currently working on.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Are the secret can you can you look? Can you
tell us right now?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I'll tell you one. So one right now is John Chapman. Yes,
so that's a that's a big deal. And then there's
a great story behind that, and maybe that's that's for
another time, but there's a great story behind let me.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Let me just tell everybody. John Chapman is a metal
really when you think about the g Watt was the
first individual in an in an event and it was
actually a part of Roberts Ridge where Neil Roberts, a
frogman at dev group, was shot well, fell out of
a ch forty seven after a rocket because they were
(11:46):
trying to take out a Dishka anti aircraft gun. He
fell out of the back and then was in a
running gun fight with these tal Bank guys and all
kind of guys. They came back for a rescue mission
and and Chapman and another frogman who also received the
Medal of Honor for this, they assaulted this machine gun
(12:07):
ness by himself but essentially by themselves, and Chapman led
the charge. And it's the only Medal of Honor story
that is actually filmed in real time. You can look
it up on Utah YouTube go and you'll see John
Chapman predator view of a Medal of Honor and you
can watch his whole movement. You know, I was in
(12:29):
country not you know, a few months after this happened,
and it was one of the most profound things that
was you know, permeated across the soft community of what
he did on that incredible day. So the fact that
you're honoring him is just overwhelming, not only I think
for the entire soft community, but for anybody who's been,
(12:52):
you know, actively paying attention to the GWAT over the
last twenty plus years. So just Sally, thank you so
much for one wanting to you know, memorialize these these
men and these incidents in such a profound way. It's
just really a beautiful gesture on your part.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You know. I I feel like like it's not just
it's I love. I love to do this type of thing,
and I love to have have it be for the
right reason, if that makes sense. I wanted to be
a good project, I wanted to bring people together. I
want it to be for the right reasons, and I
want to do it the right way. So I'm excited
(13:31):
to be able to do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Well, another place I just want to chat about is
is And obviously everybody go Chuck check out at black
Ops Toys on Instagram. It's it's where I found him.
It's incredible. But he's also got this really cool YouTube
channel as well, where you describe in detail how you
put it all together, and and I remember watching the
(13:53):
first one and I was just like, you know, I
think one of the ones that really struck me before
is you had this six guns shooter belt. I forget
what figurine it was for, but you have your little
tweezers and you're putting the ammunition in the belt itself. So,
you know, can you give us some kind of understanding
of how long the process takes, what are some of
(14:16):
the more difficult aspects about the manufacturing, both of the
weapon systems or ammunition, and then most especially the meticulousness
of the kit and the gear that you have.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Right, so pretty much everything on these figures is hand done.
It's got some sort of hand involvement in it. As
far as the weapon systems, they're super intricate. So example,
we worked with Barrett Firearms about I think I want
to say seven or eight years ago. We did a
Barrett mrad for them for shot Show, and they sent
(14:50):
us a Barrett m Rad and we looked at it,
scaled it down, three D modeled it and then produced it.
But we produced all the parts essentially that made the
real kit injection molden and made a one six scale firearm. Wow,
super super cool.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
The first thing in my head is like, can they fire?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Right, That's what everybody asks. No they can't fire. No,
they can't fire.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, you had you like in the future, you'll be able.
They'll have like their little AI components and the dude
will be on the desk and then all of a
sudden it be like.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
God, the videos coming. Yeah, so we're starting to see
video animation from AI and a lot of people are
animating their figures right now. So it's very very.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That's awesome, man, I'm gonna have to look those up.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
What I'd like to say is you got to think
about these things like model kids. So back when you
were a kid. You know, our standard customer base is,
you know, anywhere from twenty five to fifty five. And
these are guys that love models. They love to tinker,
they love firearms, they love to put stuff together, they
love to upgrade things. So when you come into the
industry and you start to look at this stuff, you know,
(15:55):
it blows everybody away. You know, if you have a
figure on your desk and somebody walks into your office,
the first thing they do is go, what is that
that is so cool? Where can I get one? So
it's got that kind of pow and now wow. But
you can start with a Minton Box figure. Minton Box
is basically just a figure design like the Chris Kyle
at the Mark Lee and it comes with everything you
(16:17):
need in the box and you put it together with
tweezers and with you know, some patients. We do have
a YouTube channel where I do build guides and I
kind of show you how to put stuff together, how
things work. But really, I mean, this is something that's
that's kind of an escape for people. This is something
that you can tinker with, you can concentrate on, and
you can make something that's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That that's incredible. I you know, one of the I
think great lessons when with little kids. I mean back
in the day, you know, my uncle used to take
me to these model, little model shops in western Michigan,
you know, the Dutch used to have these, and you
know we'd go in and he'd be like, all right,
this is a battle scene from Get or whatever, and
(17:01):
you can get them in assemble them, or you can
get them and paint each each figurine and you know,
you have the little guides and all that stuff. And
there was just something that I think you know ingrained
in me as a child, the beauty, the meticulous, the
thoughtfulness of those those those uh, those figurines and the
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way you know it. And then also more importantly the
time with my uncle and or the time with my
dad or whatever it might have been. Is is that
a part of this that you you you hope is
happening when people purchase these that they're having that type
of exchange with with their children.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You know, I want people to talk about it. I
want people to do it together. It's just like building
an RC car with your kid. It allows you to
be creative and that's a huge deal now, you know,
to to actually enjoy something and be able to fidget
with it and do something with it and have something
that you're proud of. And this is something that takes time.
It takes it takes patience, and it takes dedication. But
(18:04):
you can become a master class action figure builder and
you can just upgrade these things to your heart's content.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Well, you know, another another really cool things I you know,
as I it's so hard for me because obviously I
told you I have four daughters, and so you know
the extent of my action figures as a kid or
for them as kids was Barbie, you know, and that
was short lived. So I was like, as I'm scrolling through,
you know, uh spetsnot skuy oh, I want that one
(18:31):
or my personal favorite, all the variations of the private
military contractor because he spends so much, and I'm like, dude,
I wore that exact kit back in five.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's like it sucks me in. And I was joking
with you, you know, I tell you my my new wife, Jada,
you know, is is like is like, I, you know,
I have in my my old office, you know, all
these little you know, things all over the place, and
she's reduced that down except for my you know, I've
got my life. And I go, I'm going to get this.
When she goes, you're not getting that one, and I
(19:02):
was like, I'm going to get this and she's like,
you're not gonna So like, let me. These are not
inexpensive pieces obviously, and and what you know, what what
do you see in terms of the feedback you're getting
from people who are purchasing these for you from you people.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
That's that cevs absolutely love them, and typically a customer
that buys one is going to buy more. And what
we're able to do on our website is you're able
to buy a Minting Box unit, but you're also able
to buy the parts and pieces. So we take Minting
Box figures and we part them out so you can
buy the chest rig from this one. You can buy
the weapons system from this one. You could buy the
(19:41):
sneakers from this one. You could buy the head sculpt here,
so you can kind of mix and match and create
your own to your heart's content.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well that's what I got when I you know, every
time I go to your website, Like it was funny.
We're sitting around dinner and after dinner and and I'm
scrolling through. My kids are like, what are you doing
right now? And my oldest walks over and and I'm
staring at I'm literally staring at Vietnam h gear right
and and she goes, what are you doing right now?
(20:09):
And I'm like, I'm I'm assembling the perfect action figure.
Leave me alone, right, you know? And I think that
that's such a cool aspect of it, like you can
you have so many different parts and so many different
pieces of kid and clothing that you really can That's
my The other aspect you can you can generate your
(20:31):
entire own world or or an idea with what you
want to see. And and this doesn't it's not just
regulated to a particular time period. I mean, you have
you know movie action figures. You know whether it's John
Wick and you know I love the the You have
the boxes with the gold pieces in them, and you
know his weapons, and so you could take all those
(20:54):
and infuse them together. Do you do you find that
a lot of people like to do that. So sorry
for the interruption. I know you're loving this interview as
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(21:14):
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you could take all those and infuse them together. Do
you find that a lot of people like to do that?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
A lot of people love this hobby. The issue is
that the hobby hasn't seen a lot of growth. And
the reason I think that it hasn't seen a lot
of growth is in the last couple of years we've
seen kind of the decline of the real American hero
type action figure. We don't go into Target and Walmart
and and see g I. Joe and you know, World
(22:04):
War one, World War two, modern stuff. We just don't
see it. So everything has gone more soft and more
towards you know, other flavors.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, otherlip good well, put well, put well. I'll tell
you what he under, David Rutherford show our our main
objective right is to is to kind of bring all
of that stuff back right the you know us as
gen xers. You know it's like, man, these these iconic
action figures or these iconic movie like I talk about
(22:34):
it all the time, like the dose I had as
a kid. And again I'll contextualize it with with these
types of figurines. I would we would go to my
grandmother and grandfather's house. And my grandmother was a massive
John Wayne fan and she had multiple John Wayne dolls.
She had one from Rio Bravo, which is like the
(22:56):
first like shoot him Up movie I remember as a kid,
and she had one from when you know the Green
Berets and and you know, in his classic green beret.
And I just was fascinated by these these really unique
aspects of of of masculinity and and in the ideal
(23:16):
role model or the hero. And you know, forget the
eighties where it was you know, John Rambo and Commando
and Bruce Willis and I love your Bruce Willis figure
out there too from Die Hard, you know, and you know,
so how what do we do? Like we're I mean,
is it is it as much just word of mouth
(23:36):
that people find you or is that the best way
you think people are being reintroduced to these ideas?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
You know, getting it out there is hard. It's very
very difficult. It's difficult because of social media and in algorithms.
I don't know if you want to go into this
real quick, but algorithms essentially see anything to a anything
firearms related, and they kind of put it on the
back burner, so people can't see it, and so they
put it as regulated goods and they flag your posts
and then you can't be shown to the new followers.
(24:05):
So I've got a real hard time, uh, getting it
out there. But the best people, they're the best way
to do it is to tell people about it, to
show them a physical like, look at what I got.
You want to see where to get it? This is
where you get it, and you know, just tell people
about it.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, I bet people who actually have the figurines are like,
I don't want anybody else to know about this, Like
I've got the I've got the coolest thing in the
whole world. It's it's just mine and nobody else. Well,
I mean that's that's the main reason why I wanted
to have you on as man. I want you know,
every you know, little boy or teenage boy or even girls,
(24:42):
because I know you make some really cool girl figuringes too.
What what what are some of the girl focus that
you've had in the past as well too?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Typically the female stuff that I've done is just PMC related,
So we've taken all sorts of modern kit and created
a female version of a PMC. So we're allowed to
take the best and the genes and whatever's cool. I
guess whatever I think is cool, we can put on
a figure and do something new with it.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
When I saw you had the contractor with the Vans,
with the multiicam Vans, That's when I was like, dude,
that's it. I'm like, I'm in love with Sully. You know,
I didn't. I don't even know who you are. And
I'm like, god, I you know, at some time our
past are gonna cross and I'm gonna you know, I'm
gonna get to meet this guy because you you what
(25:31):
you're doing Sully is so unique and it's so needed. Right.
We need to get back to delivering these types of
of of of figurines. I mean, what I would love
to see is, you know, you get so big in
terms of manufacturing that you can produce, you know, the
next lower model, so you can mass produce these things
(25:54):
and we can get them into Walmarts and Target.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
It'd be great man to do a big box store,
but to have something cool, like something's right that you
want to walk in there with your boy and go
which one do you want? Let's buy all of them,
Let's go play in the backyard. Let's do something cool.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well, I it's so funny. I you know, I told
you I'm real close with Sean Ryan, and you know,
I as with four daughters. You know, I can't that
that time has passed.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Like, he's got a young son who's only three, and
I keep telling him, Hey, man, can I send him
this one? He's like, no, not yet, because you know,
he's like bro. You know, he's like bro, he loves trains.
And I was like, let me give him one of these,
though He's he's like not yet, dude. So I mean,
you know, how does that happen? How do we get
(26:42):
to a place where that can take place? I mean,
you know, is there a manufacturing that can do that
for you? Is there a partnership that if you were
to like imagine the perfect partnership, what does that look
like in order for you to scale your business?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Man, the perfect partnership would be to have somebody who
knew the manufacturing side but stateside, so stuff we can
do here locally to decrease the cost would be great.
There's stuff that I partner with a company called Easy
and Simple, and they are the best in the business
(27:20):
in my opinion, and making military action figures. Wow, and
they do all everything is super hand detailed, so every
head sculpt is hand painted, every uniform is stitched correctly
in scale. So it's very very high end, detail oriented
focus when it comes to producing these things. So I
(27:42):
would love to be able to bring at least parts
of that here so we could could decrease the cost,
increase the amount we produce, and get it out there
into mainstream retailers.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Oh my god, that would be unbelievable. You know. Now
You've got my my wheels turning as I'm starting to
think of all the billionaires. I know that quite a few.
So I'm trying to process, like, all right, what does
this factory look like? How big is the machining? I mean,
(28:17):
obviously this company that you work with, I mean they
have to make these molds, every single one of these
molds correct, correct?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Wow. And so so just that process alone, you know,
and I think it goes back to that idea of
manufacturing and and and bringing that that mentality back to
at least the States. I'm assuming that the group you
work with is overseas, correct, It's overseas, okay, all right?
So so you know, I mean the whole idea man
(28:46):
of being able to have somebody work with you in
your own back or you are you know, working with
this new factory or or manufacturing organization where you live,
and I mean and just being able to produce these
at scale. It's just a no brainer for me. But
you're right, there is this kind of cultural hurdle that
(29:08):
we need to get over. I you know, thankfully, I
think we're we're starting to see that a little bit.
But but still, I know there's a lot of a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Work that needs to be done.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
There's a lot of work to be done, all right,
So Solly, you know what's you know, give us a
final you know, couple ideas or or concepts about who,
what would this gift be great for? Who who benefits
it from it? And and just you know, uh what,
and then finish with just you know, why is it
(29:41):
such a passion for you to be able to do this?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Sure when we started this whole thing that and you
kind of nailed it on the head, is we want
wanted to produce kind of a hero, right, we want
we want something that people go in and they see
and they're like, I want to be more like that person.
I want to I want to live my life like
nobly and I want to do things, you know, for
other people. And the projects are are amazing. Right. So
(30:09):
the family, you know, obviously they get a piece of history,
They get an icon of a person that they loved,
and other people that that look up to that person
or know about that person can now have something that
represents them and kind of their character on their desk,
which is kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Oh amen to that, Sully brother. I just I absolutely
love what you do. If you're listening to this, go
visit Blackoptoys dot com, go through the website, find all
these they have pre made, already boxed, all the different pieces.
But I'm telling you this organization, this company is exactly
(30:54):
what defines America. This company is the group, it's the
This is what we need. We need to bring this
type of toy, this type of of of historic momento
back into the mainstream. So Sally, I can't thank you enough, brother,
and and you got to promise me when you when
(31:15):
you're done with the Chapman one, you'll come back on
We'll do a whole other thing. You can describe it,
go through the whole thing with us.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I would love to do that. That'd be super cool.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Perfect well, thank you so much, Sally, God bless you,
and I hope you. I hope this you crush it.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Thank you very much, God bless you, and thank you
for for doing this. I appreciate it.
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