Classic Fall Finish: Wild Game 7 and World Series What-Ifs

Doug recaps a dramatic Games 6 and 7 of the World Series. From gutsy performances to costly injuries, bold offensive moves, and pitching changes that made all the difference. He digs into the tiny “what if” moments that swung the series, the emotional toll of a winner-take-all Game 7, and the decisions that will be debated all offseason.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back, everybody. I'm your host, dougman Kavige, and this
is the Dugout Podcast. Today we're going to be discussing
breaking down Game six and seven of arguably one of
the best World Series you will ever see. A couple
questions I had leading into Game six George Springer, what
did the training staff give him to be able to

(00:26):
go to the post in Game six and seven? Obviously
he had to hit by a pitch in the kneecap
against the Mariners. That's bad enough you have, then you
have the torn obleak back whatever you want to call it,
oblique strain. Most guys take months weeks, if not months,

(00:47):
to return from. He returned in four or five days.
So kudos to the training staff and whatever mixture they
were giving him to get him back out there. But
it's obviously, obviously October, you do whatever you possibly can
and to get back out there, and to his credit,
he gets back out there for his boys and not
only plays, but plays really, really well. The other thing

(01:09):
for me was Dave Roberts. I know people made a
big stink about his move that he made as far
as taking pot Hass out, It's really not it wasn't
that difficult to play Rojas? It really wasn't. You were
getting nothing out of your centerfielder offensively, absolutely nothing. Sure,
you lose some defense by Edmund going to center with

(01:30):
a bum ankle, but at this point, when your offense
is struggling and you're having trouble scoring runs, you have
to go to somewhere else. There's ways to not be
productive as far as your numbers go, to keep yourself
in the lineup. He was a dead out, not productive,
not moving, guys can't bunt, had trouble with everything. It

(01:51):
also gave Dave more options, in my opinion, you put
Pat Has in the outfield late for defense. You can
kind of pick and choose when you wanted to go
out there. You get the lead, take them out. If
you put them, I mean you take em and out,
move them, move pause back of center. It keeps it
keeps another guy on the bench to not have to
use another defensive replacement to take out another outfitter. So

(02:15):
obviously you know it worked out, but it wasn't really
that tough decision if you're trying to score runs. Moving on,
I talked about the Springer and Bishet injuries. Look again,
warriors go to the post, no matter how they feel.
Your leaders, your best players. You want those guys out there.
Those guys at sixty or seventy percent are better than

(02:39):
generally your other guys. They are elite players. Their presence
alone makes the lineup stronger, let alone what they do
production wise. But how many times this I'm gonna keep
coming up with this. I always say what if? And
I'm going to use a ton in this episode to
just kind of make it understood. Springer. This is not

(03:03):
a knock against Springers that I'm knock against Bouschette, But
you think about how many times they were actually on
they could have went first to third if healthy, Just
to what if if they're healthy, I think they win
this thing, just the ability to go first to third,
score from second on a base hit, turn a single

(03:24):
into a double, a presence of running, the basis of
stealing a bag. These guys went to the post, and
I commend them for it, and I would have done
the same thing, absolutely, But you think of how many
chances they had in this series where one more run
would have meant a ring. It's just something to think about.

(03:46):
Gosman get to the game, Gosman punches out the side,
and from my experience, when you're starting pitcher strikes out
the side, not a lot of good things happen after
that I've had I've used to keep I made a
note to my pitching coaches, like, when they punch out
the side, I'm like, this isn't good. Usually it ends up,
at least for me personally, ended up in a loss.

(04:08):
I kept track of it. It wasn't good. Sure, you
love strikeouts, you love three outs, but it just seemed
like every time my starter punched out the side, either
he didn't go very long in the game, or it
just didn't work out in my favor. So I'm always hesitant.
I always curious to see is it just me or
does it? Is there something to this when a guy

(04:30):
goes out and the starting pitcher who's out and punches
out the side. Yamamoto, I mean, you can't say enough.
There aren't enough words to describe what this dude does,
besides the fact that it's electric stuff. But it's six pitches.
It's hard enough to hit guys that have elite stuff
when they have two or three pitches. When you have

(04:53):
five or six elite pitches with the ability to command
it wherever he wants to. For the most part, it
makes it really tough. And the Blue Jays having to
come back and face this guy in game six, it
didn't That's why I felt it was so important for
them to get Game five in LA. I thought, you
go to the game, the top of the third, Will

(05:14):
Smith in the two hole, two out RBI double, Mooki's
moved down. I think that's hilarious. He got moved down
to the cleanup spot. It's not like you're moving them
down in the order. You're not gonna if you're one
through four in that situation hitting around those guys, you're
gonna come up with key situations. You're gonna come up
with men on base. It just shows you that sometimes
guys getting a rut and they it's it's tough. I mean,

(05:36):
Mooki is one of the best players of his generation
and he's having He's had trouble putting a bats together.
But as great players do in October. That's the beauty
of it. It's really not how many hits you get,
it's when you get them. And Mooki comes up with
a huge two out, two strike, two RBI single. I

(05:57):
always say two out hits win games, two out, two
strike RBI hits, break hearts. And you just felt three
runs a crooked number. With Yamamoto on the mound, he
felt pretty good about it. You feel pretty good with
a three run lead with that guy on the hill,
that you're gonna be We're gonna be all right. Of course,

(06:17):
right after that the Blue Jays, what do they do?
They answer, they come right back, which they've done. Both
these teams did the entire series. It just seemed like
one one would land the punch, the other one would CounterPunch.
And that's the beauty of watching the two best teams,
in my opinion, the two best teams, and during the
year battle it out for a title. Barger doubles, Springer

(06:39):
comes up again, wounded warrior. You know, it gets a
two out, three to zero cutter and drives it in
the right center field for a single cut it to
three to one. I'm just gonna fly through this because
I think the more of the emphasis we all saw
the breakdown, I'm just trying to think of main points
that I saw or I noticed that really made a difference.
Momoto gives up a double boss the shit, it's his

(07:02):
first walk in fifteen plus postseason innings. That's one of
those stats that kind of gets pushed to the wayside.
But that's incredible because a lot of times you have
the unintentional, intentional walk in October. To even not have that,
to have the ability the command to go after people
and not walk anybody in October is it shows you preparation,

(07:26):
It shows you know, conviction, It shows everything you can
possibly want. Ninety six pitches is pretty efficient. I thought
the Blue Jays did a really good job in this
game against him. Ninety six and the sixth for him
is that's a lot of pitches for him. I thought
they did what they had to do. We talked about
this on this podcast earlier and other episodes about how

(07:47):
to survive. You don't really beat aces, you survive them.
I thought the Blue Jays and you try to knock
the starter out, leaving yourself enough out to make a
push against the bullpen. And I thought they did this
in game six. They end up getting second and third.
No outshin't run at second. You know you have the

(08:12):
play right. Everybody's gonna talk about this, and we're gonna
talk about this more detail when we get into Game seven.
Let's talk about the Barger double to left center. The
dean for knowing the rules. The Dodgers defensive center field
are they bring in the game. It's like losing the
ball in the ivy at Rigley. You've got to put
your hands up immediately. People were losing their mind. And

(08:33):
that's the beauty of the World Series because you have
people who have never watched a game of baseball. They
only watched the World Series, and now they're all experts.
Pody went and got the ball. Yeah, that's not the rule.
The rules there for a reason. They executed it stuck
underneath defense erneath the padding. But the same token. You're
in a two run game. You have second and third,

(08:53):
nobody out. You got Clement up, who's probably been your
unsung outside of Ladd Junior, has probably been your best
offensive weapon. I know he's excellent on the first pitch.
To me, that's a situation. Now, this is where the
game within the game goes out gets his quote unquote
Game seven starter and glass. Now we'll talk about this

(09:14):
in a little bit. Fast now comes in. Yes he
has pitch and relief. I don't think it's been much.
But the point is I always try to tell our
guys and situations when even any reliever comes in, let
them feel the situation first. Yes, I want my guys
attacking the first pitch, if it's in, if it's right
where they want second and third, nobody out to run game.

(09:36):
You have a kid that can handle the bat, and
Clement breaking postseason records with the amount of hits he
has felt like for the first time, the situation kind
of dictated the anxiety to cause that swing. He got
a first pitch, heater up and in. There's only there
three things to avoid when you're hitting with second and third,

(09:58):
nobody out. Don't want to pop up to the infield.
You don't want to hit a ground ball, third or short.
You don't want to punch out. Well. Most pitchers, veteran
style pitchers, deep good catcher behind the plate calling the game.
They will go hard in first because they want the
ground ball. The hardest pitch to elevate in the game

(10:18):
of baseball is a fastball in. Well, that's why you
bring the infield in. You actually want to pull side
ground ball to the third basement because no one can advance,
no one can score, and you get a free out
ball runs up and in on his hands. Granted it
was a little up, I get it, but you know,
Clement jams himself. Pop up. Now we got one out,
second and third. Now you have Now there's all kinds

(10:42):
of stuff coming up. You can you know you never
want to walk. They're obviously not going to intentionally walk
to create a force play and walk the go the
winning run on the base. And he meant as And
here's the thing that there's so many coachable points in
these games, and so many topics that could come up,
could help whether you run a travel ball team or
whether you run a minor league club or whatever in between.

(11:06):
The menage comes up, does his usual, gives you his
best at bat of the night with men on base,
kind of hits the off the end of the bat.
Kek comes in and makes a hell of a play,
great jump, great and I talk about this, great job positioning,
great job, situational awareness, great jump, just great job playing

(11:30):
the game. If you notice he kind of Kek always
pinched left field, especially on his opposite field, I agree
with that. Managing For me, I wanted my outfitters to
play in with men in scoring position. Here's why. If
you drive the ball over my outfitters head. You've earned that.
You've earned that hit. I did not want to give

(11:51):
up a back breaking bloop to tie the game or
lose the game if you drive it over my guy's head.
For the most part, with average normal ever, say run
of the mill hitters outside of your superstars. Great, you
earned it. You drove a ball off the wall. We
weren't going to catch it anyways. I just didn't want
to give up that bloop or soft line drive to

(12:15):
go ahead and give up the lead. Now this goes
into a couple of things that I was thinking about.
I asked that question on Twitter. You know, why does
Barderiekes keep getting taken out of the game. Well, obviously
I'm not a blue Jay. I am a blue Jay fan,
but I don't watch them exclusively during the season. So
I ask people that watch them all the time, like,
why does he keep getting taken out? For defense? And
you can tell he's swinging the bat tremendously. He plays

(12:37):
with his hair on fire. I love it, but you
can tell there's some chinks in the armor and now
you're starting to see him. This is why we preach
ay every after every pitch. If you're a base ary,
you have to check where the outfielders are. I guarantee
you he didn't do that. He just assumed that the
ball about that he meant us hit was a single.
You can't you can't knock him for trying to score.

(12:57):
That's what we all would do. But that's why it's
so important to take a peek at where your outfitters
are playing every pitch. Now, I don't I never want
my guys to get doubled off. But if that situation,
if KK comes in and dives and catches it and
my guy gets doubled off second, sure I don't like
the outcome, but I can understand it. Key K caught

(13:20):
that ball chest high, so that just tells you that
you did not know where he was playing when he
was hit. Again, I go back to whether it's the
Dodgers coaches. I'm sure it's a collective, collective thing with
them as far as positioning, and they go over all
this stuff before the series starts. You go over this
stuff before the game. Pitchers will tell you where they

(13:42):
want you to play. And you have Kik, who's been
in these situations every year, and I understand the importance
of where he's playing and he pinched him and it
ended up, you know, And then and then Rojas makes
a hell of a pick on a short hop. You
never want to end the game that way, but it
just felt like you didn't want to give your guys

(14:02):
one more shot there right that again if key K
hasn't died for that, and then it gets doubled off. Hey, everybody,
use tip your cat. But the other team Kik gray play,
give them to mar but that ball is caught chest high.
So either you let the situation overwhelm you, or you
just didn't look where Kik was playing before the before
the hitter came up. And again, not to get long

(14:25):
and involved, but that's why I feel like sometimes keeping
the order the same more times than not than changing
it every night is a good thing, because you should
know at this point that he means loves to he
wants the ball off the he wants the ball away,
he wants to go to left field with men in
scoring position, and that's his game and that's gonna suck

(14:46):
in the left fielder. So you have to know this.
All this stuff goes on pre pitch, so this isn't
the outcome. So but as a baseball fan. Hey, you
know who who doesn't love a Game seven? Who doesn't
love Game seven? With the game of the line. And
this is this is where we turn to. This is it,
This is this is game seven. This is what every

(15:07):
player lives for. Every kid in the backyard dreams of
this situation. Every coach says they want to coach this game.
Not all of them do. That's stressful. Every move you
make can be career changing. And like you say, you
want it, and once it's over you appreciate being in it.

(15:29):
But leading up to it, I don't care if you've
been in one or if you've been in ten of them.
There's some there's some butterflies, there's some anxiety. Whatever you want.
And I also don't believe in getting the game seven.
I don't believe that glass Now is starting Game seven.
No chance. Here's why. If you start glass Now in
game seven, you force Otani to come in super late

(15:53):
in the game, meaning once he comes in, if he
did not start the game, he can't ask if he
comes out as a pitch, sure he hasd to go
play a position, so that ham strings the Dodgers. So
as I would have thought a million years if they
if show he could only gave him one inning as
a starter and he keeps his bat in the lineup
for the rest of the game, they would have done that.

(16:15):
I don't see Glass now starting Game seven, just for
that reason, just for that reason alone, Rojas again gets
the nod, which, of course I would think again, paj
has showed you nothing offensively for a month. He had
maybe one or two at bats where it might have
been a sign to where maybe he's starting to have
kind of come out of it. I think it was.

(16:36):
It was earlier than the playoffs. He had a couple
at bats where he drove some balls to right center,
he stayed on some pitches a little better, and then
after that went right back to what he was doing.
So the Rojas start to me, you know, Doc gets
a lot of credit, and he should. But that was
a really easy decision to make. It really wasn't that tough.
You didn't have another option, really, you had to. Your

(16:59):
team was truggling rug going to score runs, and you
need to put every offensive chance you got up there
to move the ball, and he just wasn't doing it.
So a couple things O Tawni three days rest coming
off Tommy John. Usually it's not the velocity, it's the touch,
it's the spin stuff. But he has that that isn't

(17:19):
as consistent, and that's what's gonna kind of be a
it's kind of gonna be a theme, which it is
at most Game sevens, because guys are doing stuff they
haven't they're not used to doing, whether it's a starter
in the bullpen or they don't get their regular rest.
Sure they have adrenaline, but if you look at for
their normal stuff, the guys that pitch that game, that's

(17:40):
all grit. They all had some real issues with leaving
some balls over the middle of the plate. Breaking balls
weren't as sharp, splits weren't as it didn't have the depth.
But those guys were out there on fumes. And again
that's the beauty of this game, and beauty of a
Game seven that all hands on deck and you're gonna
use every possible available resource you possibly can. And this

(18:03):
game had everything I wrote it down, pitching, defense, buds, hitting,
bang bang plays, angsmanship, a bench clearing dust up, pitchers
thrown on eight hours rest, Homer's bunts, a billion dollars
worth of pitching on one side, and the beauty of
the World Series is how many Hall of Fame managers

(18:28):
there are sitting on their ass on their couches in
their living room, puffing their chest out on social media.
It's and how many fundamental developers there are, and how
many analytical young people who flood social media with what
they think is information that they only have access to.
Good gracious guys like it's funny how there's people that

(18:53):
will sit there and argue with you for days on
end about you're wrong. It's incredible, amazing guys that never
played above eight you are telling you what you were
taught and what you were taught by Hall of Fame

(19:13):
developers and major league managers that you're wrong. So that's
it's always entertaining to get on social media, but it
makes you scratch your head. If if ya were so
good developing, why are so many kids such bad baseball
players that have good skills, but the small parts, the
fundamental parts of the game aren't there anymore. Anyway, I'm

(19:34):
off my high horse now out of the actual game.
I thought Max Scherzer, if he gave you three one
time through the order, that's what I expect. That's what
I expected coming out obviously forty one years old. He's
not the mad Max of old. But he's on regular
rests where his other starts. He had a couple more days,

(19:55):
which I thought helped his stuff. What are you going
to get? You get three of him? He's done his
job one maybe one and a half times through the order.
I think Schneider would have taken that and done a backflip.
Otani is the same thing. Don't know if the field's
going to be there. You just don't know. He's coming
off TJ. They pretty much they were very super cautious

(20:18):
with him coming back, and then all of a sudden,
it's funny in October. All right, man, the kid gloves
are off, go out there and throw on three days rest.
The Otani rules kind of bother me. I know he's
the best player in the game, but how many times
are we going to All I heard as a player,
and this was twenty five years ago, and all I

(20:39):
heard as a manager, which was four years ago, five
years ago, was how we have to speed up the game,
and how you're not allowed you have a time clock
for when the last outs made to the first pitch
of the inning, and countless times as a player they
tried to rush us, and we'd rush to get our back,
get the get to the batter's box, and then the

(20:59):
comer break and the umpire's holding us out waiting for
our turn because of the commercials. Now, this turns into
the Otani rule. I get it, you have some feel
the guy's a two way guy. He's a special, special individual.
But there were a couple innings here where he was
wasn't He hasn't even left the dugout yet with twenty
seconds left, and I think you saw Schneider go out

(21:22):
there and ask him about something. I thought they were
taking advantage of it, which if I was the manager
of Otanio done the same thing. Take your time, make
sure you're ready. If they're gonna give it to us,
we're gonna take it. It didn't amount to much, but
it's just it's the part of the gamesmanship to be like, hey,
I understand he's running, I understand he's hitting, but we
don't get to just rules or rules for everyone to follow.

(21:45):
It doesn't matter who you are and what you are,
you got to follow the same rules. So I thought
that was I thought not did a good job of
pointing out a couple of times, and we talked about
what ifs. Human nature to talk about things like this.
I brought it up before about Springer playing hERG is admirable,
But there were so many chances those two guys had

(22:07):
to take an extra base. Extra ninety feet in October
is paramount. You saw it countless times in this World series.
I hate I don't like playing the what if game,
but doing this it's a great It's a great talking point.
There were so many times. But could she could have

(22:28):
scored for second? But she could have went first. The
third Springer hits a double extra ninety feet doesn't seem
like much at the time, but when you break down
the entire series, one more run and a lot of
these games would have changed the entire outcome of their season.
So first Springer Gapper, if completely healthy, is at a double.
It might have been bottom the first maybe, and then

(22:53):
he gets thrown out on a strike him out, throw
him out. Glad strikes out on a borderline pitch outside,
Springer gets throw out pulling up for a striking him out,
throw them out to end the first. If Springer's already
at second base, we don't have that. And the more
times you give your guys with mana score position, the
better chances you have to score. So just another what if.

(23:15):
Move on to the second inning. Michette walks, Barger hit
the soft line drive you right. That's a very easy read.
I know the rule for base running, don't make the
first or third out at third. Correct. The ball that
Barger hit to right field was a very is as
easy as a read as you're gonna get going first

(23:37):
to third. And if Bashett's healthy, one hundred percent, he
makes it the third base standing up instead, it's first
and second plus is taskar Hernandez in the right field. You
saw the way he fielded it. It's kind of like
in between. There's no way he comes up firing to
third in that ball. First and third nobody out is
a lot different than first and second nobody out. Just

(23:57):
another one of those what ifs. What if? What if
he healthy? He probably makes it. Then Clement gets a
two out hit, Bachet can't score. There's another one. They
don't get a lot of hits and two outs and
then a score position. And you got one and you
still couldn't score. So now it's gonna take two hits
to score, and you're starting to see a trend here.
You know this game is gonna come down to one

(24:19):
run somewhere, and we talk about these this looks like
an opportunity wasted, not wasted. But it's just it's just,
it's a it's a it's a crappy predicament to be in.
If you're the Blue Jays, you want to hit. Of course,
he got better and better as this as the series
got deeper and deeper. But you just you just you

(24:39):
gotta think what if if they're both healthy. I don't
think this game. I don't think this series goes seven games.
They end up not scoring, starting to see little things
starting to add up. From Game six into game seven.
Sureer pitched about it as good as he could possibly think.
I mean he pitched, he pitched really well. He pitched
really well. He gave the boys a shot, He gave

(25:00):
as long as he could. Talk about Otani going out,
not leaving the dugout till twenty seconds left. I think
that's a little bit excessive. I don't think that's fair,
but it is what it is. Bomb the third Blue
Jays get lead off, Guy on again, Springer single sack
bunt to second, lad intentionally walk and when you intentionally

(25:21):
walk people in front of alpha males, you lock them
in and sometimes you have to. You saw the Blue
Jays how to do it to the Dodgers a couple
of times and walk O Townian and get to Mookie,
you walk Vlad. Bishett is one of those guys who's
probably obviously Vlad's hotter than Bishett was at that given moment.

(25:45):
And I understand completely, but it's like pick your poison.
You definitely go with the guy who hasn't played that
much and he's on one leg. But it's amazing when
you get these guys that are just different, when their
makeups different along with their talent. First pitch hanging slider
boom three on Homer. But shit, what if, right, what
if you get a run on the second and then

(26:06):
now it's four? What if you get another one? First inning?
You could have gotten second, could have scored in the first,
could have scored in the second. That three on Homer
doesn't It becomes a kill shot. I know. I used
to stress it in the dugout. Later in the game.
I feel like we got a shit, we got a
shot to put guys away, walk them down the dugout screaming,

(26:27):
kill shot, Come on, kill shot, one more run, two
more runs, whatever it is, kill shot. Put them away
that three on homer. Instead of being up three to nothing,
you could have been up five, up five. It's a
lot different to come back from five than this three Again,
both these teams are like two heavyweight boxers. Top of
the fourth, Blue Dodgers come right back. Smith just missed

(26:49):
a homer for a leadoff double. Freeman singles. Now you
got first and third, nobody out, Nookie shallow fly ball.
Runners have to hold. It's the game of inches. See
now hitting two strikes foul ball that Kirk almost hung onto.
It's not a knock against Kirk. It's a tough play.
Just shows you how how simple and tiny minute things

(27:10):
make a huge difference in baseball. You're coming off a
three run homer from bashit you get leadoff guys on,
then you get a chance, you get an MVP to
pop up shallow, then you get a punch out and
you end up leaving men on base. That's a huge
momentum swing, and it's a huge momentum kill to the Dodgers.
Oh I just can't break through. But Kirk can't hang

(27:32):
on to it months he ends up walking Hernandez lines
of ball center. Barshall makes a hell of a play.
That's the difference between being now you're looking at a
huge momentum swing, it ends up being a sackfly. Dodgers
chip away, make it three to one. Think of that
place you're at home. You just went ahead three nothing,

(27:57):
and if that's with two outs. Varshaw makes that play
with the bases loaded with two outs to make it
three nothing. Still the roof comes off, that place goes berserk,
and if you're the Dodgers, there's a little bit of
deflation in there, going oh so close. Now they're saying
what if? But it didn't work that way. Dodgers come
back score I thought was a much needed run. Then

(28:20):
you go to boot Glaud. He makes a hell of
a play to get him out of that inning. You
got Varso's diving playing center and you got diving play
at first. There's just momotium swings all over the place
in this and in this, you know, extreme heavyweight battle
we have working on right here, bottom of four. After
three straight fastballs in we had to have our little

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dust up, right Look, I get both sides of this.
He may have stuck his hand out. Again. You're trying
to do whatever you possibly can to get on base.
Sometimes you do things that you just don't understand why
you're doing it, And I guess that's what happened there.
But you get three pitches up up by the face
and it's just gamesmanship. No one's gonna that's about fighting

(29:05):
each other. Didn't one hundred percent, wasn't on purpose. He
just punched him out the night before. You do everything
you possibly can and get in the other team's head.
You don't know what. You don't know what the outcome
is gonna be. You don't know what what's the outcome
of what can happen there? They forced the guy to
make a pitching change or he loses it mentally and
can't find it. Look, this is this joke around. These

(29:25):
are prison rules now game seven. Hey, you do what
you gotta do. You do what you have to do
to win a game. That's it. Everybody's mindset's the same way,
and yeah, nothing's gonna happen. I thought it was a
little aggressive for sure, made it entertaining as a fan.
Nothing really happened. I thought it was hilarious that Springer

(29:46):
comes up the next hitter and hits the line drout
of for shin. I thought that was poetic justice for
I am a hitter, not a pitcher, But I thought
that was kind of funny that you throw up my
guy hit the line drive of your shin. You know
this brings in glad now for the Dodgers. The guy
who just threw the night before. And it's not just
people that aun'tly think it's just three pitches. There's a

(30:07):
lot to get loose there. He was the Game seven starter.
You go from I'm not pitching today unless it gets crazy.
Right games they were winning. You have Amono's pitching, so
now you're trying to think of your start tomorrow. You
have your closer in there to run lead. This is

(30:27):
game six. All of a sudden phone rings glass. Now
you go from preparing to throw Game seven tomorrow to
oh god, we got to crank it back up right now.
I got to get these alps and then fall back in.
They're professionals, I get it, but we are human. It's
a lot of taxing, mental grind, whatever you want to

(30:52):
call it. So you are this is their job. I
understand that, but they are human, and it does take it.
Does the mental ping pong? Can you play with yourself?
Takes this toll physically at times two. Move on to
the top of the fifth, Rojana singles for the first
hit he's had since October one. Schnyder brings in Varlin.
Here's an example of being a big league manager. People.

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It's a tough one for the three battered minimum. Now
you're bringing a righty to face Otani. I know I
was going, oh boy, hold my breath on this one.
And he gets two quick strikes on him, and then
he hangs a breaking ball. Thankfully, if you're a blue
Jay fan, Otani only just rolled it into the hole

(31:34):
for a single. But that's a really, really bad, awful
two breaking ball which caught was right down the middle,
and very thankful Otani didn't hit that oft the hotel.
He gets Smith and Freeman to fly out, gets him
out of the inning. Now we go to the top
of the six. Is three to one, bast it in.

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Now this guy, I've been crying. I've been calling for
the entire series more of it. I didn't understand the
situation they brought him in that I thought he's a starter.
You could leave him if you need some length in
the game somewhere. They use them pretty quickly. Take the
eighteen inning game. I'd like to have seen him throw more.

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There's your guy to get you. If you've got to
have a guy go through one time, maybe even two
times through the order, he's used to it. He's a starter,
having that quick hook one inning, get him out. You're
kind of going, and there's my guy that's going to
give me some length. And I just took him out.
I just thought the spots they put him in and
it worked and he was fantastic. So I'm not arguing

(32:39):
the results. I just my manager of mind going, that's
the only guy we have down there, and give us length,
and we're throwing them one inning, like in that six
seven range where you can get away with you know,
higher leverage arms in that situation. Anyway, this is the
potential downside of bringing in guys all the time on
your bullpen. If one guy doesn't have it was a

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wrench and everything, and out of all, I mean, I
thought Bassett was one of the many unsung heroes of
their playoff run. He was incredible, I mean, amazing quality outs,
quality stuff, stuckdown innings, didn't walk guys. And this is
the backside of it where if you bring them in

(33:21):
and he got to think comes in game seven, and
you pick game seven and I'll have your best stuff,
it just happens. Sometimes. That's the downfall of bringing in
bullpen guys all the time. He walks the leadoff hitter,
He walks rookie Betts once he gets a single, who
had a hell of a game seven, by the way,
gets Hernandez to his slow comebacker to force Monthly out

(33:42):
at second, even first and third. Edmon hit sat fly
chip away three to two, Mega three to two. Of course,
bottom of the sixth here comes answer back. The Blue
Jays in the bottom come right back. Clement singles, Glass
now has slow to the plate. This goes back to
the Baschette Springer injury. Glass now has always been slow

(34:05):
to the plate. They could have taken advantage of it.
When you have so many guys that are banged up,
makes it hard to do. But Clement gets a crazy,
insane jump, makes it the second base. He manages the
RBI double, makes it four to two, and the place
goes nuts. Now this ties into the second inning too.
You're four to two and the sixth bottom line is

(34:26):
when you get a guy at second base and nobody out,
you gotta think score. That has to be a point.
It has to be a run. It has to in
October because that's a momentum swing. If you score, huge
momentum because you get attack on run, you add increase
the lead. If you get out of it, you're thinking
I dodged a bullet. I kept him from scoring. That's

(34:46):
a screaming of opportunity. It's like being in the red
zone and football, I cover them with nothing. It's a
big momentum shift. Now he gets he managed it second like,
talk about what if he meant as his double should
have made it five or six to two. Now you
have a little more breathing room. That's the importance of
not leaving guy in the second base and nobody out,

(35:08):
just leaving him there. Stringer strikes out Lucas the deep
fly ball to center. Somehow Spring can get him a third.
That's a sack fly. They pitched the lad he ends
up hitting the ground ball, gets out of it. That's
three outs there, top of the seventh. Now, my pick
for this World Series MVP was the Savage. I was
hoping praying for the kid thought a lot of I

(35:28):
know the obvious one was Blad Junior and it was
much deserved. But I'm thinking without your savage because I
figured he's he won both his starts and he was
going to have a say in this Game seven. He
comes in and throws three to five outs, maybe six,
and dominates. It wouldn't been a bad pick. Just feel

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like without him and you don't win in two games
and hold another one is a lot to do in October,
especially the World Series. But he walks the lead off guy.
You could tell again this is where the fatigue factor
creeps in. These guys are doing things. This is normally
his side day. Big difference between don't one to side
at three point thirty in the afternoon and throwing the

(36:13):
seventh inning of a two run lead in Game seven
of the World Series, so it's a little bit more intensity.
Bok's the first guy. Then comes another amazing defensive play
by Vad Junior. That's the hardest double play to turn
in baseball. Three six three or three six to one
is the toughest double play to turn in baseball. Vladdy

(36:34):
converted third baseman fields it throws a bullet to Jimenez
back to him, huge w men and shift. Now you're thinking, Okay,
if you're a fan, you can go ahead and count outstown.
If you're a player, never do this. If you're a
manager or coach, please don't ever do that. And if
you do that, by me, I will hit you with
a fun go. You don't ever count outs. Just it's

(36:56):
a bad omen. It always comes back to bite you.
But now you're seeing still got the two run cushion.
Here's where it gets another. Decision gets tricky. You have
you Hoffman for six outs before you did it the
series prior, it's Game seven in the World Series. You
send the young kid back out there, who's been who's
never been in relief in pro ball. Game seven. Didn't

(37:20):
mind it. I get it. You're trying to squeeze as
many outs as you can before you hand it over
to Hoffmann. Obviously, six outs is a lot. It's funny
how six outs is a lot, but four isn't, or
five is it, but six is. For some reason, that's
just the way it works. You could tell his stuff
just didn't The split didn't have the depth that normally had.

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The command was a little bit off. His misses were bad.
You know, he kind of threw one that kind of
just rolled up there to months he hits it out.
So now the Dodgers cut it to four to three,
and you kind of feel like the Blue Jays are
hanging on a little bit and the Dodgs are coming.
He just you go back to that what if, what

(38:06):
if the Blue Jays get if they just get one
run out of those situations, out of those three or
four situations they have learning the game. This game is
completely different. Go to the bottom of the eighth, which
I thought was a huge chance to really put it away.
If you're a Blue Jay fan, it's all about momentum swings.

(38:26):
And I trust me, I've been in that dugout in
the eighth inning where you're just like, I just want
to make three outs and go get the go get
three outs on defense. But you can't think that way.
You got to take advantage of every chance you have.
Leads off the double, his thirtieth hit in the postseason.
I don't really care about records because the records are
different now because of the extra couple rounds. But no
matter which way you look at it, you get thirty

(38:47):
hits in a month, you're doing something you get thirty
hits in October, that's pretty special. So you know, congratulations,
that's pretty awesome. Acc boy brings it. Snell. Now here's
where baseball is the best and arguably the most cruel
thing in the history of the world. He man it

(39:08):
shows bunt ball, one shows bunt, pulls, back, slashes, hits,
an absolute rocket at one. See he caught it. If
that ball is one foot to the left, one foot
to the right, one foot higher, it's it's a two

(39:28):
run cushion going into the ninth. Instead, Max don't ask,
probably self defense, stuck his glove up, went in, caught it.
Now you got one out man at second, Springer strikes out.
Then pinch hitter Snyder Snake strikes out against Snell. We
talk about momentum swings, leadoff double. It's funny how the

(39:51):
leadoff double when they don't score is momentum. But a
leadoff double and the guy doesn't advance ninety feet is
like double that momentum going back into ninth. It just
all the years I've played, all the years i've coached,
all the years i've managed, you noticed stuff like that,
and it's you're freaking out. The next half inning there

(40:13):
wasn't a ton of shutdown innings in this postseason, in
this World Series from the defensive side. But it's more
it's not so much a lack of execution for the pitchers.
I think it just was the resilience of each offense.
They knew the importance of getting the leadoff guy on,
which we've talked about on this podcast, till we're blue
in the face. But then you got top of the

(40:34):
ninth Hoffman in one run lead, you're facing eight, nine
to one. You know, the Munsey homer did one thing
that scared Blue Jays fans. It made Otani have one
more played appearance. And when you start overlooking the guys
before that, bad things happened. I said this in the

(40:55):
playoff preview, and I say it every year. Every Body
who has a bat in their hands and October is dangerous.
Every player that goes to the plate has the capability
of hitting a home run. It's the big leaps. I
guarantee you the odds of Rojas hitting a home run

(41:19):
in October were slimming none. I don't think any Dodger
fans saw that coming. But he's dangerous. He's got a
bat in his hand, he's a pros pro. He knows
how to keep himself ready, goes into like you watched
even Hoffmann and this that bad. His sladers were like

(41:39):
and most of the guys stuff in Game seven, no
one really had their race stuff. Nobody. They were all fatigued, gassed,
whatever you want to say. Hoffmann sliders were really really
they were either there were bad misses. They were either
yanked out on the zone like hitters always talk about
that when you can make a decision, when it soon

(42:00):
that leaves hit a pitcher's hand, you get to exhale
a lot of those pitches. The second they left Hoffman's hand,
they started out his balls and they ended up his balls.
So that's a really those are easier takes than the
ones that started strikes and then disappeared. He threw something
that backed up again the old adage, and I know
people hate hearing about, you know, it's just what has

(42:22):
been the same for generations is you never get beat
to the pull side late in the game. You never
get beat to the pull side late in the game,
especially from guys who can't go opo, guys that can't
hit the ball out of the yard. The other way.
You make them beat you the other way. And this
is what I'll always take to my grave, And this

(42:43):
is the fight with the new age. Everybody's is that
the hardest pitch to elevate in the sport of baseball
is a fastball. You have to be more mechanically right
to hit a fastball than you do hitting a offspeed pitch,
meaning you can be out in front mechanically and hit

(43:03):
a hanging slider, or hit a decent slider, or hit
a decent curveball, or hit a decent change up. Hell,
Johnny Damon hit more and more power with one hand
than they did with two because he stayed back and
kept his hands back, dropped ahead of the bat, hit
some bombs one handed, called him one hand, one arm.
Bandit for a reason. Rojas was out in front of
that slider, just got out in front of it, which

(43:26):
moved the barrel out in front, got under it line
drive Homer again. It could happen to anybody, and there
was just that you could feel right. You just I mean,
I'm sitting there, my my fan hats on him. I'm
just thinking about Donnie, thinking about Natalie sitting there. What
he's got to be thinking, what he's got to be

(43:47):
going through. And I know, Donnie, I know as a coach,
you're sitting there thinking this is this is We've done
everything right. We have a one run lead at home
with our with one out in the ninth. We don't
we don't stop coaching, but in your heart you're like, okay,

(44:07):
we got to this point. This is it. And to
see the ball go over the fence, it's a definite kick.
And then you know Whares, You're just like, of all people,
of all people, we just got kicked. And then you
know what's by Miguel Ross. But that's the beauty of
the game of baseball. Everybody's dangerous in October. Now, a

(44:29):
couple of things. Early in the game. The Blue Jays
can scratch out one more run. That homer means nothing,
that homer's meaningless. You still got a one run lead.
But because of the opportunities, and everybody wants to think
about the plays that at the end of the game,
they don't think about what happened. The second thing that

(44:49):
can change the direction of the game. Too many people
point their fingers out. They do it in every sport.
Missfield goal. The missfield goal at the end of the
game costs the game. No, it didn't. Something happened earlier.
There's a billion plays that could have went differently to
not put you in the situation, and baseball is no different.
Bottom of the bottom of the ninth. I had a

(45:10):
I kind of had a cringe moment with Vladimir's three
to zero swing leading off an inning. I get it,
he's he's hotter than he's one of the best players
in the game. I don't disagree with letting him swing
three to zero. I kind of question him trying to
go dead center. I just I mean, if he just
missed it, don't get me wrong. So I'm I'm I'm

(45:32):
on the fence about that. I'm on the fence. He
didn't get big, he didn't pop it up, he stayed
on it. I just because this is what happens. I'm thinking,
leadoff walker, You've got a hot Bachet who already hit
a three in a horn behind you. It's not like
it was early in the series when you didn't have
early in the playoffs, when you didn't have Achete hit
behind you. You have Achet hitting behind you. Now you're

(45:54):
forced to throw, You're forced to pitch to vlad and
you're forced to fit fits toet. Now you can't pitch
around the shit because you've just walked Black And if
Ladd just would have stood there, they'd have walked him
tee Again, that's the beauty of baseball, back and forth.
I don't disagree with the call letting them hack three oh,
but I would rather have to see, like, hey, it's
gotta be left center to left. It's gotta be if

(46:17):
they're gonna if they're gonna give you, they're not gonna
give you a crippled fastball three to oh. There, they're
three to zero against you for a reason. It's because
they don't want to give into you. Let them do.
Let them dig their own grave. Now, all of a sudden,
you have your leadoff guy, Vlad, who's probably your best
base runner. He's at first, A lot of things changed

(46:39):
with him at first base and be shet up yammodo
bounces a split a little bit different or snell at
the time. The point is you have it like he
can steal second, he can go first to third, he
can score on a gapper. He's faster than can people
think he is. You just changed the he changed. You
can change how guys are pitched with the ability to

(47:01):
understand that if I throw a dirt ball here, flat's
going to be a second. He's an aggressive base runner.
That changes some things. And I think the worst case
scenario happened to the Blue Jays again, because now you
have flad flies out on the track. You got one out,
both singles, now you got to take them out. There's

(47:22):
another point to this. Some managers, some organizations, wait till
the guy gets to second base, wait till Bashet gets
the second before you make the move with one out,
with one out in the inning. It's different if you
have a Dave Roberts. It's different if you have a
Dyson who can flat out still second against everybody. That's different.

(47:44):
One out, it's not really the time to do it.
I get why you do it. I understand he's gimpy
and he can't run and it's cost you earlier. But
one out and a guy in first, and I see
both sides. What if he hits a gapper or what
if he hits a base hit to right and he
can haing to third, Where ifk could I KF could
get the third. I get that part of it, but
it's just the dangerous part of taking out that hitter

(48:08):
if this game goes deeper than like we just saw
in Game three when it went eighteen, when they had
no one, they had no one left offensively, but Glad
Junior in the game. So that's a tough decision. They
end up making it. Amazing part of this inning is
Blake Snell started it, not Blakes that was she had
started it. You bring in Yamamoto. This guy threw one

(48:30):
hundred pitches yesterday. Yesterday, he's up in the pen and
I go back to the eighteen inning game real quick.
There's a there's a thing on there's a thing on
social media where you see Yamamoto going down to the
bullpen in Dodger Stadium and he walks past Sasaki and
Sasaki's face is like dumbfounded. He's like, where's he going?

(48:55):
And when it's okay. When you Japanese players, they do
things that are different than people that are from the
States or you're running the mill like Latin American guys,
they're just different. They do things. They stretch more, they
they're more flexible. They just they just do things that

(49:16):
like pitchers they have they throw all the time. So
the point I'm making is he walked by his countryman
who's they've pitched together on the same team for how
long they've pitched they've known each other for how long?
And when Sasaki's face is like, wow, where is he going?
In game three? That's impressive to be able to pick

(49:36):
a ball up after throwing a hundred pitches the night
before and then compete in a game seven. He goes
down there, he comes in the game and cuts it
out through. And this is for all the You don't
see him throwing weighted balls. You don't see him all
you see him in between in ads. What's he doing.
He's working on his mechanics, just working on his mechanics.
Take take it for what it's worth. Is no drive

(49:59):
line crap, none of this. It's just hey, his mechanics.
Everybody else trying to throw it through a brick wall.
Here he is doing stretching and all this other stuff,
worrying about mechanics, repeatability, longevity. All I do is throw.

(50:20):
We'll see what the downside to this is, and there
will be it for some guys. You'll keep an eye
on them moving forward to next year. But that's next year,
and it's not right Now, by the way, that's a
billion dollars worth of pitching that has come in this game.
A billion dollars for the Dodgers on the mountain in

(50:41):
this game. Just thought I'm going to come back to
that in a little bit again. The fact that Yamamoto
came in this game is nothing short of miracle. And
to be competitive and to throw quality pitches. It goes

(51:01):
without saying. And here we go. Here comes the play
that has taken its own, has taken over social media
about from baseball people. Yeah, bases loaded, one out and
field in Connor a third who pincheran for Bishett you

(51:24):
have bases loaded? Var shows up and here come all
the Internet gurus, all the coaches, all the Hall of
Fame managers that are going to tell me how to
do it. I'm just telling you what I teach, telling
you what the greats have taught me in my career,

(51:44):
passed along to the next generation. I guarantee this is
what they taught them. Now, the conversation you have as
a third base coach with the runner at third base
in that situation, the first thing you say is you
can't get doubled off on the line. Drive you can't
get doubled off on a line drive. Now I've seen
more spray charts, percentages, probability. I didn't know there were

(52:07):
so many big league experienced analytical coaches on social media
that I've ever seen in my entire life, all from
burner accounts who are trying to argue with us that
have actually played and been the situation about how we
are wrong and it doesn't matter. People, it doesn't matter.
They're like, well, varshow has only hit four line drives
to the third basement. I never once thought about the

(52:28):
line drive or the third basement. If you hit a
line drive to the second basement or the first basement
and you take a normal lead in a secondary if
you don't haul ass back to third base while the
balls in the air, you're doubled off third period. End
of story. This isn't eight you, this isn't your local

(52:50):
high school. This is the big leagues people. It's just different,
it's faster. Just take our word for it. All the
things you're talking about, you're taught to get off as
far as the third basement is off of third base. Also,
var show as a left handed hitter, which it means

(53:10):
what will Smith has a clear line of sight to
where the runner is. You don't think he's looking down there.
You don't think he's looking to make a play. Hell,
we teach our catchers with infield in We throw the
ball on the first pitch to make them aware that
we are there, that we're not gonna let you get

(53:31):
a really good secondary lead. We're gonna make you question
your jump for a reason. Now, what else if you
are hitting against the infield in in bases loaded the
runner at third, we tell them the hitter has to
drive you in here. The hitter has to drive you in.
You know that as a hitter that if you hit

(53:52):
a ball on the ground, you didn't do your job
unless it goes through. That's that pay. That's what you
and I understand this. That's why you don't think pull
in that situation. You think big part of the field,
try to get a ball up, so you do hit
a fly ball for that reason. But people are like,
well if conif Leff had a better jump, and you

(54:15):
know now, I'll give you this one. The slide verse
not slide. I can see both sides of that. You
don't slide in the first There's only a select few
times where slide into first base is beneficial, and there's
only a select few times where sliding to home in
that situation the basis load is beneficial. Throw up the line,

(54:35):
catch or tags you. If you slid, you avoided the
tag and it brings him off the bag. But if
you notice, same situation happened later in the game of
Mookie slid. No one made a big deal about that,
and he was out at home. Again, you can't be
two places at one time. Sometimes the hitter has to
drive you in. He hit a ball off the turf

(54:55):
right to the second basement. You're sure Rojas stumbled a
little bit and he brought us foot off the bag
a little bit. But this is not on counter FILEFFA.
He did his job, he read it. It just didn't
work out. Sometimes that's the beauty of baseball. Just because
it didn't work doesn't mean it was the wrong decision.

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We've had this argument several times about pitch selection. The
analytic gurus will always challenge what the pitch was. The
people that are actually performing it, that are veterans asked
where the pitch was. It's not so much what the
pitch is, it's where I located that's the first question
they asked themselves. Did I throw it where I wanted to?
And the answer to a lot of these games is no, anyway.

(55:41):
Just wanted to clear that up, got that off my chest.
Let's see go to the top of the tenth kind
of kind of speed through this. Domingo's bases loaded ground battle.
He Man is My only question about he manez is
wine and God's Earth? Does he have his sunglasses on
the back of his hat. You're in a dome, They've
been there since the first game. I don't understand it.

(56:03):
Is it swag? I just it's always no one's brought
it up, and those are usually usually the reporter will
come up and ask that question to somebody at some point.
Because you're with each other every day for twelve straight
days in the World Series like that, you think someone
would have asked me that question. I don't know the
answer to it. Maybe someone on Twitter can tell me.

(56:23):
I just want to ties into what we talk about
before the defense. The check swing by Kik that is
not an easy play ground ball of Ladd Junior. It's
not an easy play at all. I've seen that play
screwed up more times than it's been executed at every level.
Pitcher's got to slow down his kind of turn his

(56:44):
shoulders square up to the first basement, flipping the ball
to him. You got to catch it. Then you've got
to twinkle toe around first, all the while runner bearing
down on you like that's it looked like a normal
easy play. That was not an easy play. It was
not a gimme. Like I said, I've seen worse. I've
seen that play screwed up thousands of times at the

(57:07):
highest levels of the sport. So got out of it.
Top of the eleventh, rolls around, I get two quick gouts.
Biab's in the game now, and it goes back to
this two oh. Hanging slider to Will Smith, goes back
to Doc Roberts, moving him up in the order, hitting

(57:29):
him behind OTAWNI big exhale moment. You get Otani out.
Now you got Will Smith two oh. I know that's
not where he wanted to throw that. I get it.
But it just goes back to control versus command. You
saw Yamamoto earlier in the game throw four balls away

(57:50):
from Barger, Baber hung a breaking ball to Will Smith
middle end. Again. If he's gonna beat you, he's gotta
beat you out in the right center. He's got to
beat you out in the right center. You see a
loop in it. Two. Oh, these guys are too good.
They're trying to do this. Will Smith has done it
countless times again. You got to give credit to the hitter.

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He swung, he hit it, He got it absolutely. But
you'd just like to see if you're gonna if you're
gonna walk him there, we're gonna pitch around him. Get
off the plate, Get it off the plate. Can't leave
that hanging over the plate against a hitter like that,
in a situation like that. But of course you go

(58:32):
to the Bobby eleventh and the Blue Jays come back.
They come right back. They get the lead off guy
on Vlad. It's a double again. Man second, nobody out.
You expect to score there. Great bunt by Connor Filefa.
It's a tough play for Yamamoto's bang bang it first said,
Barger gets the unintentional, intentional walk from Yamamoto to set

(58:55):
up Kirk. Obviously, you know, if you can put Kirk
on the ground, you've got to play. The game's over.
He tried to pull what looked like a slider or
maybe a split away pulls at the mookie, Mookie steps
on second, throws the first and it was one of
those things that you just I think as a baseball fan,

(59:18):
like you're sad it's over. These games were riveting. Someone
had to win and someone had to not win. I
won't say lose. I just think that's not losing that series.
That doesn't do it justice. The Dodgers won and the
Blue Jays didn't win it just I said it earlier.
It took a billion dollars of pitching in one game

(59:43):
to beat the Blue Jays with two guys banged up
that if they're healthy and have two healthy legs under them,
I think this game in this series is different. Not
take any away from the Dodgers, because they made They
made some really key heads, the head he plays, on defense,
on offense, pitching, et cetera. They did some things that

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you know they'll be remembered for a long time. Back
to back is not easy, obviously it hasn't been done
in how many years. But my heart breaks for the
Blue Jays. My heart breaks, like that's gut wrenching to
think you had it, you're two outs away, and then
to have it right there in the eleventh and all
of a sudden, after one swing, it's like, okay, wait,

(01:00:28):
it's over. What really got to me was there's a
clip of it's on social media. There's a clip of
Don mantally staring out at the Dodgers celebrating and Boba
Schet came and put his arm around his neck and
like it got me, Like I I called this at

(01:00:49):
the beginning of the World Series. This is the don
ninally redemption to her. I just I'm sick to my
stomach that one of the best and greatest ambassadors of
the game of baseball is Don Manuey and he doesn't
have a World Series ring. It bothers me. It really
bothers me. He's not in the Hall of Fame. He's not.

(01:01:12):
He doesn't get enough credit for being a great manager.
It's no disrespect to my teammate, my ex teammate, and uh,
Doc Robert Roberts. I don't I think you give Donnie
that squad the same thing happens. I just I'm gutted
the fact that Donnie had to sit there and watch that.

(01:01:35):
Knowing Donnie, he takes the high road. He's just watching it,
appreciating where he's been appreciating the ride, the journey, everything else.
But it goes back to what I said earlier this episode,
what if little things matter in baseball games. Little things

(01:01:55):
change careers, they change history. That's what makes October so beautiful.
It changes everything. What ifs? How many if you go
back and think about the series, think about how many
what ifs the Blue Jays had to really make a
difference for one more run in one more game. And

(01:02:19):
that's the beauty of this sport. And now the hard
part is now we have an off season to kind
of think about it. But again, neither side anything to
hang their hats on. It was. It was such musty
TV for how many days in a row. That's what

(01:02:39):
makes October so special. Moving forward, we will do some
more awards, some off season stuff. Where do teams go
from here? Break down free agency, etc. But this was fun.
This was fun. If you have any other questions, you know,
hit me up on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. I'd love to

(01:03:03):
hear the questions. You guys have to keep the banter
going no matter what it's about. Whether you agree with
me or not, that's fine too. I don't care. I
just like to talk the game and look for interesting conversations,
prove me wrong, teach me something new. That being said,

(01:03:23):
that's gonna do it for this episode of The Dugout.
Check me out wherever you hear your favorite podcast, Apple, Spotify,
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Doug mccavige. This is The Dugout Podcast. See you there,