Draymond Green Show - Baron Davis - The Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis

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Speaker 4 (01:45):
What's up, everybody?

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Welcome back to the Draymond Green Shawn Honor to have
his next guest h third picking the NBA Draft something now,
I'll never know anything about nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I was also nine.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
He's old, two time All Star, one time NBA, two
time NBA still leader.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
But this one go way deeper for me.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
And I'll tell you why this goes way deeper for me,
because Obviously, I was drafted to the Golden State Warriors
in twenty and twelve, and the Golden State Warriors had
just come you know, in the last five years of
that had just come off the most success that the
organization has seen since nineteen seventy five. And so I

(02:31):
really came in living through that. And I always tell people, like,
one of my fondest memories, or not even necessarily fondest,
but like one of the memories that's like ingrained in
my head was always being an oracle and everybody saying
and they would ask the Golden State Warriors fans dub nation,

(02:54):
what's your favorite Warrior moment?

Speaker 4 (02:56):
And everybody's favorite Warrior.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Moment was always Aaron Davis, Dunkle, Andre Carolincoln. And I
heard that so many times, and I saw that video
so many times.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
I feel like I was definitely a video.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Nonetheless, I am honored to have you on, so welcome
to the show man.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Shut you absolutely man, A lot of love and respect.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Man. I think you know, for me, what I want
to get into first is like growing up in La
You obviously grew up in South Central and obviously Crips
and Bloods is originated here.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
You know, this is the hard growing up in LA.
Growing up in that, How was it.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
To navigate the crypts and the bloods and trying to
play basketball and trying to go to school?

Speaker 4 (03:53):
How was it growing up in that?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I think, Well, one, you got crips in your family,
and you got bloods in your family, and so they
are your cousins, you know what I mean. And at
family reunions it's kind of awkward, you know, because they
miss each other, but they can't you know, fuck with
each other or hang with each other. But they grew
up together. So like dealing with that just in your

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family alone, you automatically like forced to like who you know,
you got to pick a side and get fat. All right,
I'm gonna fuck with my blood cousins because they cooler,
you know what I mean. My crib cousins say, wow,
I don't want to, you know, you don't go that way.
But just in LA, I think basketball, if you, if

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you stick to the game, you feel what I'm saying
somehow some way, like you, it's it's around you because
you know, hoopers, hoopers come from more inner city shit
just as much as rappers, you know what I mean.
And we're more visible, but like you can navigate your
way through it, you know. And I think for me,
basketball was like almost like an instrument, bro that I

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remember playing. And you know, we play every day outside
the course at the elementary school, sometimes to shootouts, sometimes
it's fights. We see it all, but like we were
still we were still hooping, you know what I mean.
And then you start playing in different parks. I was
just telling the story my first time really playing on

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an AAU team. We had k Swiss red k Swiss
Hawthorn High School jersey, so it's red and go. You
had a red kse Swiss back. We pull up and
at the time, I don't know the jungles, you know
what I mean, south Central. I don't know nothing but
maybe five or ten blocks. So we pull it up

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to the jungles and I'm like, damn, it's a ganga
dudes outside, you know what I'm telling my a you
coach like, hey, bro, we about to get out like this.
You feel what I'm saying. And I'm in there nervous
and say, I ain't even really because I'm like, you know,
I'm as a kid. You're thinking like, oh, I'm from
this too. Absolutely man, we get out the car in

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the jungles, you know what I mean. So it's number
of bloods and bro, they lined up and they were
slapping our hand going through these little fools hard, you
know what I'm saying. We went and balld out. But
it was just like you you start to learn through
your teammates, because hey, you everybody come from different places,
and then you start to see like dudes who are

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good enough to make it, who ain't gonna make it,
like you know who the kids who are gonna fall
into gang bag, you know what I mean. And so
for me, I was just like it was so much
bashit happening in my family, you know what I mean.
It was like so much negativity, and where I live,
it was so much like trauma and tum and traumatic shit.
That was like I just didn't want to like get

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in trouble, you feel what I'm saying. Like I ain't
never been arrested, Bro, I ain't never been I ain't
never been called doing no goofy shit, you know what
I mean. And it was all because my grandmother, Like
it was like I'm seeing it all come through the house,
you know what I mean, our side the house and
so I was just like I just was like, fucking
basketball is my thing. And when I get here, I'm

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never gonna let I'm never gonna tell people where I
come from or my story or none of that. I
just be a funny dude and a silly dude, and
you know, trick the them so I can stay, you
know what I mean? Like that ship was like survival.
You know, it's like how do you how do you?
How do you stay somewhere where like it's just you.
You ain't got nowhere else to go, you know what
I mean, I ain't got nowhere to fall back. That's interesting.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
And then to make it as a pro, then how
is it navigated?

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Because the changes?

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah? Yeah, Now now it's like, uh, oh, ain't he
a blood or ain't it you know, ain't his cousin Chris?
You know, it's like now you're starting to get identified
at a higher level, you know, and whoever, Now you're
guilty by association. I used to always tell people like ya,
be careful you know how you move, who you move with,

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because you're gonna be guilty by association. So you're gonna
be more with them dudes in a space where you
don't know they funking funking with them dudes over there,
you know what I mean. And so you can be
the cool athlete, innocent bystander, but like you're the first
target they're gonna hit. And so for me, it was
like public enemy number one, bro. Every time I come home,

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I'm public enemy number one. They want to rob me,
they want to jack me. You know, it's just all
kinds of shit. And it wasn't a lot of LA.
It wasn't like La La dudes, you know, dudes from LA.
But they wasn't like, you know, big in LA, you
know what I mean, big in their hood once you

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say LA, you know. So it wasn't a lot of that.
And so I was like, fuck it, man, I'm just
gonna stay focused on basketball. You feel what I'm saying.
But at the same time, you can't let nobody push you, right,
And it had to be a decision where it was like,
all right, dude, I see how this go. This ain't
gonna never happen with me. You feel what I'm saying.

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And so I like had to go and start thinking three,
four or five steps ahead and just like all right, man,
I'm just gonna bring my family together, you know what
I mean. And if I can do that, then ultimately
I can help bring LA together. But if I bring
my family together, you feel what I'm saying, then I
ain't worried about nobody. We can move how we move,

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and then we just start really like moving through the
city collecting family, and LA became a bigger place, you know.
You know, you got the jackers and all like the
haters and shit. And back in the day, I say this,
when I came up, Bro, they shot at Jalen Rose, Right,

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Jalen Rose. You know what I mean. I need the
nicest dude. You know what I mean. Incredible dude, Hooper.
You know they were shooting at people. Bro, they were
shooting at It didn't matter Rob. You coming out the club,
you know, it's all the jack boys out there. When
I was in college, you know, I used to hang
out because I couldn't get in the club. So I'll
be hanging outside and I see all the dudes, you know,

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getting ready to bust. They moves and shit. I'm just
you know, out there trying to get in. So you
grow up through all that and you just know when
to leave. Always say be smart, know when to leave,
you know what I mean, know who to shake hands
and keep it pushing right and then no discussions. Right.

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It's like I don't know nobody. Respect that's the way
you keep it. It's like, man, I hoop, I don't
know nobody because you know, LA is like a board
tex and we all come from something. We all come
from the hood. We all come from these people, and
it's not like something to be afraid of because they're
your friends. You play dominos with them. They remind you

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of your uncles. And it's like but at the same time,
you know the channel they live on. You know what
I'm saying, ain't the channel you live up. You feel me.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
That's a fact.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
That's public access. You got a little You're on cable,
you know what I mean. So you got to know
how to navigate that.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
So being an L A guy, and I think we're
living in a or. I mean, just the last few
months with the rat Beef, Drake and Kendrick, I wasn't
there in person, but I saw online because but being

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an LA guy and to see all those guys up there, crips,
bloods united like that. And then I was talking to
tomorrow a couple of days later, he's like, Yo, it's
been two and a half days. There's been no shootings,
no fighting. And Compton He's like, see, this is the
piece people ain't talking about. He said, So it's been

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number one two and a half days is great. Yeah,
He's just say it's a half days.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, ain't that thing? And it ain't.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Nobody thought and nobody shot at nobody and nobody been kills.
Been two and a half days. He was like, what
that meant for the city, Like whoo? For you as
an l A guy, what was it to see that?
And what did it mean? You know from your perspective.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
I say maturity, right because like the basketball dudes, we
do that and and I think you're starting to see,
like the rap community all these dudes is just maturity,
you know what I mean? When you see the g
Perico jay Worthy, you know what I mean? You know,

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the whole meet the woops coming out like you got bloods,
you got cribs, you know, and and and for that
for that to be at the Forum in l A,
like how it was? It just show a level of
maturity in LA, a level of appreciation for like and
separation from music. You know what I mean, because we

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all artists and we should all be kind of like
pushing this movement in our sound, in our music, because
it is a character of la and we all characters
and play a part of the storytelling and in the
streets to be like this is what's needed. You feel
what I'm saying. So I just give a shout out
to all Oh jeez, I give a shout out to

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Kate top you know, people like Jay Worthy, Gpirico for
you know, people like these dudes. They always fuck with
each other. You know, there's some nick knacks and shit
like that, but a lot of these dudes really fuck
with each other. Rest in peace to this because you know,
you know, I always felt like Nick was gonna be

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the person to bring everybody together, you know what I mean.
And it take that level of self respect, you know
what I mean, and respect for your city. And I
think seeing all them dudes on the stage was crazy
because I wish I was there. I threw my back out,
ho bro like top Dog was like meet me at
four point thirty and my back went out, So I

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was watching it on the floor. I would have been
on stage too, bron. Imagine my ship would have been
out on stage. I had already got hurt me go,

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you know, I mean, carted off on the fucking Now,
I'm cool, I'm standing. I'm gonna stay here and watch
this ship. So it was really perfect time. It was perfect.
Hey bro, howd have slipped and how I try to
bust one of that one of the moons? It would
have slipped. Oh, it would have been over. That would

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have been been too won the league career and the injuries.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
Wow, So and now, but then speaking of navigating that,
navigating the cribs, navigating the bloods, just growing up in this,
then why the choice to stay home and go to
u C.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
L A for that reason specifically, Like you know, I
wanted to go to Duke. I thought Duke was gonna
be like a place where I can get out of
l A, I have to worry about none of this
ship and I can go hoop and I wind up
being like one of the greatest hoopers ever, you know
what I mean. Or the responsibility was like, yo, you

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got young Pool, you got young Trev, You've got you know,
all these young pgs that's coming up in LA and
they going to Arteaga and Chris Shaw and losing you
know what I mean. It's like, man, they need to
see me. You feel what I'm saying. And I need
to stay connected because I need to I need to
revamp this whole u c l A is point Guard University,

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and so that's what it was. It was like, where
do I want to live for the rest of my life?
Where do I want to be comfortable? And at that point,
it was like, all right, dude, I want to you know,
do I want to be the top five greatest point
guard to ever play? Or do I want to walk
in the road And niggas be like, damn, I negga, Come,
I can't funk with him? Do you think? No? No,

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you know what I mean? And so I'd rather put
on for my city. And I was just thinking about
like the next generation. It's like, man, if they can
come watch me play high, I've been coming here and
getting recruited. Man, that's I'm giving tickets to all the
little homies to come, you know, while we rock out
at UCLT.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
So when you look back on that decision, do you
think it ultimately paned out the way that you wanted
it to?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Mean? You know, I don't regret it. You know, I
always say like there's always a wef moment, like if
I would have went to Duke, I don't know. If
I would have went to Kansas, I'd have been a
different type of player, and shit, you know what I mean.
But if I would have went to Duke, what that
would have done? You know what I mean? Because I
just I'd have been in and out. You feel what

(17:07):
I'm saying. I've been in and out all the East Coast,
love all the flavor, you know what I mean. All
that shit in my game fit with all that that
was cracking, and I would have just had to focus
on basketball, you know what I mean? But who knew?
Like deep down in my heart, I always felt, you know,
Ricky Price went there, he got hated on, Cherokee Parks

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wound up getting hated on, Chris Burgess, hated on So
I was like, man, I'm from laf and it's something
about like la dude, that Duke that, and where I'm from,
Like they think I'm a nice dude, but when I snapped,
like they're gonna send me home, you know. And so
I always felt like Coach k had like we hate

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on them, you know what I mean? And I was
right about that Why did you say you was right
about that? Because he hated on me? Where during the
Olympic tryouts. I was coming off of twenty three eight
and didn't get a tryout, So I feel that's big hate.

(18:16):
You know what I mean, Bro, I can't get it.
I can't get a tryout. Like, name thirty people better
than me? Okay, name twelve? Name four guards better than me? Okay? Cool?
Now can I practice against them? Now? Ask them niggas?

(18:37):
That all right? Enough said? You know what I mean.
I gotta tryout. The coach k I hater. I ain't chipping.
Do you think that stems from you not going to
Duke and going absolutely absolutely that's all he wrote about
it in his book. Oh yeah, I always had like
that was my whole and they can blame it on

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like the USA team like that. But every sorry, every
motherfucker that was in front of me or I got
invited was sorry guards. You know you asked me, they're
sorry we got invited. He wake as fuck? No knock
on him, you know what I mean? But like you know,

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this is my hurt talking. I respect his game. I
think Luke written I was a good player, like you know,
were talking to soopers, just like, are you fucking kidding?
You're like start there now, I'll go to the top,
top guard and be like, damn, I don't get a shot.
This is ill, homie. But I wasn't chipping, dude, I

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knew what it was. I was like, this result this
you know, this is this is coming back you know
to Russ from college.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
So Kyrie, Kyrie recently just said that Kyrie recently was
like the team came out. They asked Cad about it,
and I said, I'll be cheering them all. Yeah, but
I just remember the days when we had to go
you had to.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Go show yourself, bro like, and it's not even that.
It's like there's a hundred dudes in the league that
deserve to all be in the gym together. If y'all
really want to know who the cream of the crop,
you can't just hand pick just so popular, like you
know what I'm saying, Like I don't know, if you

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have a child, you gotta have like once you have
one child, you gotta have them try out every time.
Because it's also showing like a level of chemistry, dedication
and who fit you know what I mean, who's a
real glue dude, got all these superstars, but who gonna
who gonna Who's gonna be the glue, Who's gonna be
the central intelligence? Who quarterback in the defense? You know

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what I mean? Who making the ultimate sacrifice to make
sure everybody sacrificed, You know what I mean? And so
you know I'm rooting for them. I know they can
do it because ship we got superpowers. But absolutely there's
on a team. Every body is a superstar in they row. Yes,
and in order to have a team, you gotta have
those dudes who are super superstars in they role and

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you gotta let them try out. Like how to fuck
Kyrie can't get a try out? It's the fact, No,
I get it. And speaking of Olympics, Green don't get
a try out. You know what I'm I think I
should have got it. You know.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
The thing that really pissed me off about it.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
I haven't said much about it, but the thing that
upset me about it was a forty one name pool
came up and how you.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
And I played in the last one of the last
to go medal.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Right, you got to gold medals, and.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
With win of those two last two gold medals, I
wouldn't necessarily say I'm at the absolute best now he
was killing but.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
But right now today I am. You have to top.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
You have the top. You have the top and at
the peak of who you are. Absolutely, like this means
so much more, you know what I mean, Because it's
like I don't understand, bro.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Understand you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm sure, And when do you not qualify to like
keep Usually people who win gold medals they keep playing
for sure. So that's why you need to try out.
Like some of these dudes gotta go. They gotta go
take and say, hey, big dog, I gotta retire, like
you know what, but you gotta get you gotta give

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you that chance. You gotta get that. Then that chance,
you gotta get a whole history of the legacy of
the game and the storytelling that chance, right because like, dudes,
ain't retiring. Ain't nobody retiring, nobody, ain't nobody getting retired.
It's just like everybody walking away, like thanks for the service,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (22:59):
I feel that, And I said, for me, I am
going to cheer.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
For them as hard as I would if I was
playing on the team, because I know how it feels
to be on that team, and everybody in the world
cheering against you. And by the way, when I say
everybody in the world, I mean everyone world, Americans, Americans
be cheering. Now.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
I know how it is.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
We was in Tokyo, locked in a hotel. We couldn't
leave a hotel, couldn't go outside. Wow, unless we were
going to the gym, because well we know we was
locked down because it was twenty twenty one.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
They were still lockednh.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
Yeah, and so damn, We're in a hotel for twenty
two straight days, not leaving the hotel, and so in
turns you see everything everybody's saying now.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
And then.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
We lose the first game to friends, mind you, d
Book who ended up being a critical piece, Drew Holliday
who ended up being a critical piece, Chris Middleton who
ended up being a critical piece on that team.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
They all arrived the day of the game, from the finals.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
From the finals, we lose the first game, and the
rest of the Olympics.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
You turn on like.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
ESP anything and like the way they were talking about it.
I couldn't believe it. I'm like, yo, these are Americans.
And I talked to d Wade about this because d
Wade tweeted like good luck to Rudy Gobert, and I
talked to him because we all sit we like what's

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going on.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
You guess you just bought into the team.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
That's cool, But if you don't tweet that, nobody going
to be like damn, d Wade ain't say luck to
Rudy into play in the Olympics. And it was I
think it was one player on their team that but
Rudy was the bigger name for sure.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
And then we lost to Friends the first game, and
I'm just like we all over there like, yo, you one.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
Of us, Like you weren't this Jersey and you know
how it feel to be on this island. Like so
between that and all the people talking, you're like, no,
this is this is crazy. And so I said, like
I know that feeling, and I know how I was
sitting over there with my brothers like, yo, it's us
against the world world, and I don't want to be
a part of that world.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
I want them to know, like.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Nah, like bring the like do that flying colors, Like
we gotta eliminate all everybody else is close to us.
We gotta make sure we're the best by far.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
I'm rude for them.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
But then speaking of that team, it's been a lot
of talk. There's been a lot of talk about who
should be starting on this team. Uh A man just
came out yesterday and said, now I'm the top I'm
the number one option.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
They got to learn how to fit in to play
around me.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
With a roster Bam Book, Steph a, d k, d
ant Man, Joel Tyrese Halliburton, Drew bron Kawhi.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
And j T. Who's your starting five if you're putting
that star lineup together? Uh, start the easy one Lebron absolutely,
no question. Second easiest one, Steph Curry, no question, Third
kd mm hmm. Then I'm gonna then I'm gonna rank

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him by merit based on previous Olympics from Jew Holiday,
So I like the Jew Holiday, Steph, lebron k D
and then bam bam playing the last Olympic. Then bam,
oh yeah this is Joel Payed in the Olympics. Yeah
you got a D too, So y'a a D or

(27:14):
bam a D? Probably AD probably because AD gotta get
off to a good start and we gotta get up
get off to a good start defensively, So I would
go AD upper Bam, but have Bam come in with
Joe LMB because Bam can He's mumble at the four,

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you feel what I'm saying, and then put shoot put
all offensive players around the next group, like book all
them dudes.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
So you're you're off the mindset though that you can
start small because feeb different.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Then you know that France will go France line up could.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
Possibly be Gobert.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Wimby.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
They could move Winby to the three if they want
to for real, because you can go get yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
And then they got a couple other bigs poor. I
know they got to.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
But so you're of the mindset that you can't start
the game small Lebron or Katie.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
At the four?

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Hell, I mean, Garden, no knock on Rudy girl Beer.
He is guardable, you know what I mean. Like you
just got to rebound against him and keep him off
the offense of glass and don't let him get close
to the rim to shoot, you know what I mean.
So I'm not worried about Rudy Gobert. I'm not worried
about women and Yama in that setting, you know what

(28:33):
I mean, because he gonna be more perimeter oriented, you
know what I mean they not playing him down, like
I think that he's gonna be shooting more three. So
having a kd or Lebron or someone like that, Kawhi,
you know, someone out on a perimeter with Winby, he
gonna be trying to do all the shit. Yes, you
know what I mean. He ain't going in there, he

(28:55):
ain't gonna mix it up and getting dirt, get dirty.
So I would say a lot of jumpers, a lot
of mislay ups if you're playing against France, and then
you got but tune. He can't get his shot off
by itself. Who else they got over there? Fred? He cold, he.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Get off, You get off.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
That's the one you gotta worry about. But then you
got Drew. You put a Drew Holliday on that. That's
gonna disrupt his magic, you know what I mean, And
so his playmaking ability and then the rest like not
that I'm I'm not worried about the rest of the
French guys, but I just think Burnier is like they're
Michael Jordan's you know what I mean, during the Olympics,
Like you see a whole different dude, but you put
Drew on him. Everybody else saying you know they gonna

(29:39):
get twelve. You know, you're looking at people getting twelve
ay points, you know what I mean, superstars. So it's
like who has the highest capacity, Like who has the
most impactful fifteen points?

Speaker 4 (29:50):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
And I don't think it's gonna be Rudy Gobert or
Wimby at that, you know what I mean. It being
his first major Olympics.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Yeah, no doubt. And move on to our next topic.
Obviously I started off with this. This one is very
close to me, as I know it is to you.
The Warriors, the organization organization that I think, quite frankly
is the best organization in the league. But as I
said in the beginning, coming in off on the Hills

(30:21):
or do we believe team?

Speaker 1 (30:22):
And you being the leader of.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
That team, I heard a ton about you, that team
in general, that team, it's largely celebrated in Warriors history.
But like, let's start at the beginning of that. When
Don Nelson gets hired, what are your immediate thoughts?

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Thank God, thank God? Well a mercy. You know, I
had Mike Montgomery the year before, and you know, he
coached like, you know, like we're stupid. He talk like
We're stupid. He talked to us like we're stupid, bro,

(31:08):
Like you know, like he's basically like he, you know,
our coach like just keeps coaching and telling you everything
to do, and then when you like do something, he's like, no,
don't do it. I'm like, whoa homie? Like, you know,
like people who coach every play and don't understand that, dude,

(31:30):
this is a performance, you know what I mean. Like,
you know, you gotta chill, you know, you gotta chill.
Like like, it got to a point where Mike Montgomery
when we had a team meeting and you know, everybody
was just not saying nothing, and he was doing all
the talking, and he was like, you know, because everybody

(31:52):
is saying this about you, I'm like, man, who we
all right here? Who got a problem? We got problem?
Who got a problem with? Who? Like on the team?
And so I had to address it, you know what
I mean? And I had to get people to start
speaking up saying what they had problems and what they
had issues with. And when it came out and dudes

(32:17):
were speaking up about their problems and the issues and
what they was going to the coach for, it was
some petty shit. That's why we sucked. And so I
have to tell Mike Montgomery don't talk to me for
the rest of the year. Don't say nothing to me
that coach you you you cool. If you need to
translate a message, please send it to them. You know

(32:40):
what I mean, because the signal is disconnected, Bro, I
have disconnected this line. There's you're telling me nothing to
help me out here. Bro, you ain't telling us nothing
to help ourselves out here. You just out here coaching,
you know what I mean? Like you just coaching, bro,
You just coaching. Like every game co prepare you ready

(33:01):
to coach? You ready to coach more than you care
to see us play?

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Well, it's all about it, like, oh my.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
God, because it's all about you. You're gonna over prepare us,
which we don't need, like all of that, and it's
ultimately just so you can feel good about yourself.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I don't remember nothing this man is telling me. That's
why I can give you no scenarios. I cut him off, Bro,
I had to cut him off when I first got there.
When I first got to go to State, I walked
into you know you walk into the you know dudes
on the.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
BOSU ball on the Little.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Matt Park and I walked in. It's like, you know,
practice like probably like ten fifteen, you know, I guess
they started practicing. A little film was gonna start. Like
nobody was on the court. Dudes was like still in
the chaining room. One dude was lifting a couple of
dudes on the court, and I'm talking to Chris and
I said, God, damn, what's wrong? What's wrong with y'all?

(34:03):
It's like a damn funeral. Like every day you walk in,
it was like a funeral. Damn, man, somebody don't want
to be here today. I was like, Yo, we can't
keep doing this, dog, I can't keep coming to the
gym and it ain't cracking, Like why are we depressed?
Like we hoop? And it was really because of like

(34:28):
how he was practicing, you know what I mean. And
like when I first got traded, I was like back
to back player of the week. And that was because
I was like, all right, man, look this is what
we're gonna do. We're gonna work on one play other
than that we hope it like, man, don't look to
the sidelines like we gonna get cracking. And I think
that kind of like start giving us life. We had

(34:49):
a great We finished like nine to two to finish
the season, somebody we believe, but we was way out
the playoffs. And the next year, man, we came back
man and from the first day he started coaching again
and was like, God, damn dude, about to have ale.
I'm about to have a whole season of this shit.
Like you can't. You can't perform when you just constantly

(35:11):
someone's trying to like tell you what to do, and
like then it's condescending, you know what I mean. And
so I just kind of like wrote Mike Montgomery off
and just was like, you know, if I see him today,
it's up coach, Like what he is not to me
a basketball mind, you know what I mean. And some

(35:36):
people get credit for being highly intelligent in our space,
you know what I mean. Fact where we have to
be of the most intelligence when our sensors got to
be connected, you know what I mean, We got to
make the decisions or make a decision to make a decision,
you know what I mean, And like you're getting credit
for this, bro, you better knock it off, get out

(35:58):
to shut up the way. So that was kind of
like walking into that corpse and then when Don Nelson came,
it was like, oh man, hell yeah, all I can
think about was run TMC. Okay we out. He called me.
He was like, man, get in shape. You know this
is gonna be the type of game. I'm gonna use
you in the post. How you played below the free

(36:19):
throw line, you know, just kind of use you all
over the space. And I was like, all right, shit,
I'm with that, you know what I mean, Like should
I get I get to flypping down the court and
like and play free. I'm with it. And then when
when the season started, we was we was good, but
we wasn't good.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
We just like we couldn't beat nothing. We couldn't we
could beat people, we couldn't beat nobody. We couldn't put
it together, and we were missing something. And I didn't,
you know what I mean. It was like I didn't.
I didn't. I wasn't there with what I was in
New Orleans, you know what I mean. Like here, you know,

(36:58):
New Orleans had to trade me. I had to get
out of New Orleans because I was it was too fun,
it was cracking. It was culture. But I was just
there to play basketball. So the culture part was like
that's what was missing. So when they made the trade
with Stacked and out they got, they kind of like
woke everybody up, like no, it's it's cracking, Like we're

(37:18):
gonna have parties. We're going out, we're gonna hang out,
we're gonna go to the mall, we're gonna go eat,
we're gonna have fun. Because before that, nobody on the
team fuck with each other. And so that just kind
of changed the dynamic to where we was like, all right, man,
we like a new we like the new rap group.
And we just took on that persona everywhere every city

(37:40):
we went to, and we was like, we're gonna we're
gonna party on the court is our club. If we win,
we're going out and it's up and what you know,
it's up. And so that's that's kind of like how
that energy started because we was like, uh that we

(38:01):
was winning going on that we believe run but them
fools go out all the time. But once we start winning,
like all this is way before the playoffs, we had
one like you know you win, well, you don't know
that because we wontly won championships before, like you win
three or four games in a row as the Warriors. Oh,
it's sold out in Oracle is cracking. We was winning

(38:24):
like three in a row. Go out to the club,
it is cracking. Oh we won six out of eight.
Going to the club is the whole we believe run.
We was just out and so like the fans was
like damn, like these motherfuckers real, you know what I mean,
like they partying with us, like we don't know if
this shit is gonna last. So everybody was getting into

(38:45):
the university. Yeah, everybody. It was a big party. It
was like a big party.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Dude.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
I heard a story about your party and before. I
don't know if for Shure or now, but I heard
the story. One night was Snoop.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah that was a nice real that was uh I
think that was the night we beat Dallas. Yes, yeah,
that was we beat Dallas and uh Snoop we went
to goa fuck with Snoop. You know, Snoop was at
the Ritz or whatnot, and then we was all fucking

(39:19):
with Snow of course, you know Snoop, we're smoking. So
we're smoking and Snoop like, hey, come man, you know,
let me show you one of these cartoons.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Right they tell you this, no I heard that.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Snoop Dogg had a cartoon like music videos, right, and
I think it was to his whole album. Hey bro, alright, bro.
We were sitting there, no bullshit, watching the cartoon for
like forty five minutes. I was like, hey, bro, I
got a It was none but music videos and it

(39:57):
was Snoop. It was like a Snoop Dogg video album
of cartoons. Bro. We were sitting there talking who Baked?
And all that was playing was it was a cartoon.
And I was like, I was like, damn, is this
ship on the loop?

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Is this the same song? Or is this the same
three songs? And I was over there fucked. I was like, yeah,
I gotta go, y'all, I'm done. I can't do this.
You got me Snoop. He smoked, y'all out man, big
time Snoop good Snoop. It was cracking.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
What what was it like, y'all bet Dallas And then
going into that next round, was it like man were done?

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Like or or no?

Speaker 4 (40:48):
We did y'all start to really believe, like no.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
We can keep we believe, we believe we could beat Utah.
It was all predicated on like it was all almost
like we before the series, we start tripping with each other,
but not so much like the team. It was just

(41:10):
like when we start talking, dudes, was like, all right,
how much you got left? Bro? It's like, man, like, Bro, honestly,
I ain't got much left, but you know, like we
had were just like pretty much depleted, and so you know,
like in that next round, it's just like four good

(41:31):
minutes of mental focus and plays that can turn the series,
you know. And I think, you know at the time,
like we didn't get Game one, I miss some free throws,
Mike Michel Peatrice missing free throws, and then we wound
up on the overtime. So we had Game one we
didn't get it. Game two we thought we had, we
didn't get it. Game three we blew them out, dunk

(41:54):
on them. It was like all right, we finally over
the hunt, were back. And then game four they get it.
They they snatch it from us. They was like god
damn three to one. Going back to Utah Niggas was like, man,
you know, Mante wasn't playing in this series. Stack was Guarden, Memno,
core Al wasn't matched up with Boozer. It was just

(42:16):
like all our matchups was right for Dallas. All our
matchups for Utah was all the way off, you know
what I mean. And dudes was like, you know, if
you ain't got that matchup you want, it's hard to
like matchups effective.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
People don't understand matchups in the playoffs are everything.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
You get the wrong matchup, you fucked Steven Stack. Jack
was like, yo, bro, I want he wanted to guard
Caro Linka, he coming off, you know Garden Dirk, you
know Carolinko, big time defensive player. Stack, Like, man, put
me on Carolinka. You feel what I'm saying, because Carolinko
gona guard Stack and then Al and Booze like they

(42:57):
had a little battle thing, but Caauseton like we didn't.
We didn't use it. We didn't play our talent to
our advantage that you know what I mean. We're trying
to like figure it out when guys were convicted, you
know what I mean, Like, man, I know how to
you know, I need this matchup, you know what I'm saying.

(43:18):
And it was just like, man, we was just arguing
every game about the matchups or what you know, and
it was just it wasn't that same, Oh we're gonna
beat these fuls.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
So for y'all then having that level of success and
then five years later I'm drafted, which which puts it
eight years later we win the first championship.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
What's that?

Speaker 4 (43:42):
Then? Like coming back, man.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I just wish I had one year on the team
to get one. I said, have joined Matt like Matt Man,
tell them plug me in, because that was straight. But then, uh,
for me, it felt incredible because the day I left
the Bay, you know what I mean, I kind of
like knew, I knew I had to leave for bigger reasons,

(44:10):
you know what I mean, because like it wasn't never
gonna get no better. The owner that was there, he
was never gonna do right by the dudes. And then
at the same time, it was just like if I'm
not valued here, y'are not gonna never value nobody here,
you know what I mean, Like we're not trying to
win a championship, Like we was close, you know what

(44:31):
I mean, or we was close to like being close,
you know what I'm saying, and we didn't take that step,
and it was just like the fans deserve better, and
they struggled. The next year they got Steph and when
Nelly drafted Steph Curry. I remember watching the draft. I said,
oh shit, he got he found his guy. It was

(44:54):
like he found his guy, he found his next Steve Nash,
you know what I mean, that potentially could be better.
And with him and Monte and Stack, I was like,
oh Ship. And so I used to always Dland Juliane
watch the Warriors and Ship because I was like, man,
if this kid can do what he you know what
I mean, what Nelly want him to do, or where

(45:16):
he can get to, like they they're gonna be tough.
So I always rooted. And then when you came, and
then Clay, you know what I mean. And then you
got and then y'all start bringing back you know, older dudes,
you know what I mean, from the legacy, and I
was like, man, this is y'all rocking our jerseys to
the game. Bro, all that shit. Y'all was turning it up,

(45:38):
Like how can we not be excited? You know? I
would say, Well, like when y'all won the first one,
I didn't go. You know, everybody's like come out to
the parade, come out to the I was out there
partying my my damn self. Manies, I ain't go to
the parade. But we was in the city. Oh man,
we was up. That was a good job. That was

(45:59):
a great time, great time, and it was deserved and
it was just like, man, it was seventeen years to
when we had We Believe and then another what eight
or nine to y'all. And I was like, man, this
is like all the people who are a part of
I'm glad. I'm glad y'all won it so fast. So
people can feel like that connectivity because it was a

(46:20):
lot of people that when we got there for We Believe,
they was like older people like, man, I know, we
never thought that we would win again, you know what
I mean. And that shit was just crazy to see
how everybody came out and showed out for the for y'all,
but how y'all shout out for the city and then
like y'all just start embracing each other.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Yeah, absolutely, nope, yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
And I'm like done. That's what we was on. I
mean like that, that's what we was on. Like we
didn't know all the songs and shit, but we was
you know what I mean. Like, but y'all was like, yeah,
it became one. You know, mister fab he got him
a championship too short. You know, all the bearing legends
for y'all faulty, like he forty didn't really come to

(47:09):
the games like that when we played, you know what
I mean. But like that's how you know, like the
Warriors had evolved in something new, because now you're forty
at all the games. Yeah, you know, you're forty like
a juggernaut. I know what I'm saying. So for him
to start making that a thing, it's just the bay
just start rising, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
I always tell us start telling the story. Love Marshaan
to death. That's my big bro, Marsh. When I got
drafted to the Warriors, he laughed in my face. He's like,
y'all suck like the Warriors.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Warriors ain't never been good.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
I'm not. Yeah, So to your point, the way they
rallied behind, Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
It's dope.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
You didn't lead the Warriors. You go to the Clippers.
What was your experience like with the Clippers?

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Uh? Terrible?

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Man?

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (48:03):
That's answer? Was it hard for you growing up being
so la?

Speaker 1 (48:09):
It was?

Speaker 4 (48:09):
You see? Did you go to the Clippers and not
the Lakers? Was that hard for you?

Speaker 1 (48:13):
It was very hard? Like I always wanted to play
for the Lakers and go and be a Laker like
my entire career. Every time I tried, you know, I tried,
and then uh, I was like, well fuck it, I
guess I'm the underdog guy. So I go to the Clippers.
In three years, I'd be able to create a we
believe type of magic with the Clippers if we can

(48:35):
get the right you know, people involved and ship. And
then like, going to the Clippers bro was like the worst.
It was like the worst. I thought The Warriors was bad,
Like it was like a bad soap opera. The Clippers
bro was like a bad soap opera. In prison, It's

(48:57):
like it's like imagine going to art class and they
take all your your paint and your tools, you know
what I mean, and all your paint brushes. Then they
give them back to you when you when you're painting,
they be hitting your elbow saying, nah, you ain't doing it.
It's like they it was you walk in you know,

(49:19):
you walk into the world like all right, cool? Like
who you walking in the Clippers facility? You're like, man,
who is about to snitch on me? Now? Where these
fucking cameras at you know what I mean? And who's
crying today? Somebody is crying today, somebody somebody is pissed
off crying and it's all because of the owner. You know,

(49:40):
you walk in community service, community relations lady, she boohooing
and shit like, what's wrong. I'm like, oh, man, now
before I get to the gym, bro, I gotta have
all kind of diplomatic conversations, you know what I mean,
Donald Stirling, it's Donald Sterling and the Clippers with Mike

(50:01):
Dunlevy coaching. So I leave Nelly, Man, I call Mike Dunlevy,
who's like a little bit like Mike Montgomery. He just
got more personality and he you know what I mean,
he tell he got more stories to tell. But Mike
Dunlevy will tell you what play to call, who to throw,

(50:22):
who you're supposed to throw the ball to, where you're supposed.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
To go all in the game.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
That's just like the old school web coach. Because the
Van Gundies were like that, weren't they.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
I ain't like.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I'm pushing the break. I'm pushing the break. We get
to stay. I'm pushing the break. I'm just about to
cross half court. He's like, man, pass it. All you
here is going pass it, pass it, and I don't
see nobody, you know what I mean. So I'm like passing.
I keep hearing man past the ball, and I see
somebody over here, so I'm about to go, you know

(50:57):
what I mean, And I see somebody run. I'm like, okay,
so somebody must be hollering ass. So I dropped it
by the hash man. It was an offense. It was
Paul Davis. He coming off with knee surgery. It took

(51:17):
him like seven jobs to get to the rim on there.
So you know, it's like you look at the coach,
leave me along, yoda, you know. So that's how it
was with dun Levy. But then with with Sterling, it
was like, you know, he used the team as like
his uh like almost like his duck off, like his

(51:40):
little duck off business, you know what I mean. So
like his pr everything, all the shit that he did
was all through the team, okay, you know. And then
he was just a weird all bro. He was just
hallo weird with weird people around him. And I felt
like anybody who hung around that dude had to be
a weird motherfucker, you know what I mean, because like

(52:01):
he was like beyond weird, you know what I'm saying.
And not that he was racist. He was a hate
everybody is So.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
It wasn't even that he just hated black people. He
hated everybody.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
He hated everybody. He probably hated hisself like he just
he was delusional and hateful, so he would say anything
to anybody, woman, man, black, brown man. He brought some
old ass ladies in at the end of the one
of the games and was like, man, uh, were we

(52:32):
getting all right? I believe alone. No, you cannot tell me. Now,
Hey bro, they walk here. Bro, it's like seven old
ass white ladies, right, And he walked in the locker
room we had one and then he had walked out.

(52:53):
He was like, man, you wait for them to get
in the shower. And then he pointed. He pointed me,
and he was like, especially him, like you should and
it's luddy. Was just sitting hanging out on my locker room.
I was like, hey, yeah, you know, you know, I'm
sitting there just like but she's just talking like where
are you from? Oh? You went there? So so you

(53:19):
wait for me to get up? You know what? I
mean like it was. It was foule bro. It was
like it was hell of file.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
So you're so when the thing happens in two thousand.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
I could assue for sexual orus.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
That's what I was, bro trauma.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
All that shit was the worst it was. And I'm
from LA, so you gotta think I'm from LA. I
ain't hooping, I ain't playing the way I don't normally
know how to play. They uh, they plotting against me.
Every day you feel you feel me, and every day
I lead this place, I'm trying not to. I'm just

(54:01):
trying to come here and work. And who y'all about
to make me turn into somebody I don't want to be.
So I'm struggling with that. And then you got the
hummies like yeah, you know, well you play like that. Man,
you're a busting you know what I mean. It's like, yeah,
I used to think about it every night, like, man,
am I gonna walk in here and lose my mind?

(54:21):
And I I used to tell people on the team
they were so scary. I used to tell dudes, man,
run down the sideline, you know what I mean? So
they're like, no, man, no, I was like I thought
them all on the side like I used to. I
used to go to the game thinking like that, like Dremond,
run down the left when you pass the owner, I'm

(54:42):
gonna throw the ball as hard as I can and
try and pop them in the face. And a dude
w be like, no, man, I'm not doing that. I'm like,
just one time, That's just one time. But nobody would
do it.

Speaker 5 (54:56):
So when this story comes out in twenty fourteen, you're
not at all shock.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Nah, hell no, Like I I was more surprised that
they were, Like I couldn't do it, bro. I was
struggling with so much my identity, who I was, where
I was from, all this shit, bro, Like is this
dude races like what the fuck? Like I'd never been

(55:22):
in no ship like I've been in some bash. I
ain't never been in no ship where I feel a
prep you know what I mean. And so I had
more admiration for those dudes because I was like, they
must have figured out how to like win for themselves
and not include him, you know what I mean? And
I think that they win, and you know what it was,

(55:43):
it was hard because it was like, man, if we win,
he went and then it's more of that ship, and
it's like, you like that ship, you don't know what
you win it. You don't know what you planning for
at some point, you know what I mean. And we
didn't have enough like we won. We won like Chris Still,
and you know, Blake was a rookie and all that,
and so everything was catered to Blake. So Blake wasn't

(56:05):
really aware of like at some point, Bro, they they're
gonna puck people against you too, you know what I mean,
Like the more tension you get, definitely this ain't the
type of tension you want. But I was. I was.
I admired the fact that them dudes were able to
play like that and build a team like that. And

(56:27):
I was like, damn, dude, like you never thought that
they would get the talent, And once you got the
talent and start winning, it was like he didn't matter,
you know what I mean. And so when they when
they I was at that game too. Really yeah, I
went to the Clipper locker room. I was at that game,
crazy man, because I needed to ride back on the

(56:49):
plane with the dude who was like the at the time,
like his right like the right hand person of the owner.
And I need to ride back on the plane. I
need I needed him to see I saw on this
private plan, you know what I mean, And it was
just four people, and I need to sit there and say,
have you.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Watched the show clip?

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Absolutely not. I watch that goofy ship.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Broached it. I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
But then I think like by the time all that
shit came out, it was like, uh, that ship was
already happening. So people took you know it's and then
you you take a jersey off and throw that. I
went in the locker room because Doc was like, man,
go talk to him. I was like, Man, what y'all
gonna do? Man? Ship? I don't wait for them.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
To be like, bed what you think?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Man, whatever y'all think. If y'all don't want to play,
I stand beside you, I was gonna go over there
and be like yo, them fus and not look like
they was shut. It was just like what are we
supposed to do? You know what I mean? Like that
was the energy like they didn't know they were caught
into something that nobody on that team was prepared for

(58:06):
or had an opinion of, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Or it was really.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Privy too, you know, because they hadn't Maybe they hadn't
had to deal with it, you know what I mean
at that time, like that was just some whole other
shit that his girlfriend niched him out, you know what
I mean, They rated him out. So it wasn't like
we don't know his dynamic and effect on that team.
You know, we just know like who he was and

(58:32):
what he was doing. You know how he was talking
about magic and people like that.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
Speaking of magic. So being from La also played with
the Clippers. It's my last question on the Clippers. But
I need to notice because I think I know the
answer to this. If the Clippers were to win a championship,
what does that do to the city of La Nothing? Nothing,

(59:06):
you think do you think the city wouldn't care if
the Clippers want? No?

Speaker 1 (59:09):
No, no, I think the city would care. Like the
Clippers have their own fan base. I don't think it
would be. I don't think it would be as big
media coverage as the Lakers, right, I would, I would.
I don't think it would be. You would get you

(59:31):
get a like a local city turnout, you know what
I mean, Because the Clipper fans are great, and the
Clipper fans are incredible. You know you go all the
way from the South Bay to the Valley, and I
would say, you know what, I would say, I take
that back because now the Clippers are actually putting in
the work in the city with the courts, you know,
Bomber new owner. They're doing a good job, man. And

(59:55):
can they do a better job of course, you know,
to just establish more, like they got to tell a
better story and they can't be afraid to tell the
story that they pass of a losing story, you know
what I mean, because they so accomplished now that they
have to cuss and winning, which I'm not gonna say
the city. You ain't gonna turn the city, you know

(01:00:16):
what I mean. But you got players on the team
that's from the city's fact that can bring the city
out fact. So the Clippers got to do a better
job of like bringing the city out, you know what
I mean. Because when you look at the Lakers, Lakers
is an LA team. People got tattoos, you know, yellow
bumper stickers and shit on green cars like they don't care,

(01:00:38):
you know what I'm saying, Like it's it's a city thing,
and people don't remember. Like when the Lakers back when
I was a kid, they used to have tryouts for
everybody in the city try out for the Lakers.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
That's crazy, really, Yeah, so it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Was always like an LA legend or like some LA
high school legend who wind up on the Lakers. That's
pretty season. That's crazy. But that's dope. That's super dope. Right.
It's just like LA is a basketball town. Doctor Bus
respected that, and he respected you know, like you look

(01:01:13):
around like all the kids, Hey, you like this is
a real basketball city, and so like for them to
embrace that at that time, you know. But I think
the Clippers got the same chance to like really dive
into like all these dope, all this dope local talent
and local talent that's been in the league that live
here to like brink build built their own culture and

(01:01:35):
then they can turn the city a few more questions
before the stars are like sideline stars are getting old,
like you know what I'm saying, Like they Holly, like
the Hollywood ship ain't sticking no more, you know what
I mean? Like I mean, if Denzel is there, that's Denzel,
but like who else? Who else is moving in need?

(01:02:00):
It's like, oh, you know what I mean, Like if
Denzel okay, then Zel at the game. Who else is it?
Like the Lakers ain't refurbished. They updated, they starring legacy
roster for them to be.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
I never thought about that, you know facts, I never
thought about it like that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yeah, they need to ask to rotate them seats. Brother,
get some new start like Kevin Hardy. He ain't no
Laker fan. He not Philly, you know what I mean.
But he don't be at the game. And they kicked
Little Wayne out. He was going to the games now
they then they banned Little Wayne. Yeah I heard so Clippers.

(01:02:41):
Clippers can do all that shit and they can actually
turn the city by with the young Hollywood stars and
rappers and you know, just piggybacking off like really the
city vibe.

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
I wouldn't talk a little more about you and who
you were as a players. I think there's a lot
of guys from this young generation. I don't know who
you were, how nice you were. And I go back
to one person in particular of saying that you was
his toughest guard, and that's Ai, And I think.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Ai for all of us. Man Like, what Ai meant to.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
The culture, man Like, how good he was is one thing,
but what he meant to the culture was crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
It was crazy. And for him to.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
Say about you like this, this is my toughest matchup.
What was that like for you? Coming from AI at
that time?

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
You know, you look up to you know what I mean,
because there was a part of Alan Iverson that everybody
wanted to be and I was like one hundred percent
themselves and not what the league wanted them to be,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Anytime I play against AI, it was like a moment,
you know what I mean, a moment because like you
watch my Georgetown, you know, it's like he was the
dude that I was rooting for all the time, and
now you match up against him, you know what I mean,
And it's like I was just trying to I was
trying to catch him on the island, like you called Jordan's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
It just never happened, you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Know what I mean, Like, like you see that shit,
It's like, damn dude, you know, like that was that
Iverson Jordan. That was a moment like the top of
the key, hold on, let me back up, let me
make sure everybody's watching, Like I never got that moment, and.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
So it was just like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
I was just going for broke, you know, what I mean,
and I felt for me like passing was the thing
that I love to do. And then like making moves,
you know what I mean. It was it wasn't a mole,
it wasn't like a killer cross.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
So it was like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Moves, you know what I mean, Like this dude got
a thousand moves and a thousand counters to those moves,
you know what I mean. And so it's really about
like can I get to the front of the rim
and drop a down, but you know, if I can
dunk or lay it up, cool. But all I did
in the summer resting peace to my dude's name was

(01:05:21):
Mitch mad moves. We just work on combos encounters, combos encounters,
you know what I mean, with rico combos encounters with
dark combos encounters. So it'd be like in and out
and like in and out, in and out, in and out,
has up heasy pushed through high crossover, euro step reverse
layups like what and it's like you gotta do all

(01:05:43):
that shit. We need tired, you know what I mean.
So like a boxer. So it was always like du
the Steve Smith, you know, smitty smitty, you know what
I mean, going down low Lojahwan dreams Sake, step through,
step Under. It was like all these kind of callouts.
And so when my game, it was just like I
was unpredictable, you know, if I was gonna post up

(01:06:06):
or come out shooting threes or you know, going to
the hall, you know what I mean, or if I
wanted to try to embarrass you. And so that's just
kind of like for me, it was just like I
want to be that maestro. I want to be that painter.
Basketball is art. That's when I'm coming to the game,

(01:06:27):
I'm thinking about, Man, how can I get this crowd going,
How can I get my teammates to look good? You
know what I mean? And like I'm gonna have a moment,
you know what I mean. I hope that moment is
at the end of the game where I get the
last shot, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't
mind that that's the moment, but it's gonna be some moments,
and I'm going to be a curator of that, you

(01:06:48):
know what I mean. And so you know, with the
young generation, I'm starting to get like a lot of
their dads like yo, bro, got my son watching your
highlights and shit. But like when you watch the highlights,
you just really see me dunking on people, so like
you think, like all he do is done. It's like no, Bro,
you gotta go. You know, you gotta go dig into
files because I let it pass and I love to

(01:07:09):
like make plays for my teammates. I think I think
the past like you like like what you do, Bro,
is just like like you have to be so smart
and intelligent, you know what I mean to be a
great passing facts and to be able to play defense,
right because I love playing defense. Get the rebound, so

(01:07:32):
I am my I am my own engine. I'm gonna
stop you. Get the rebound pushed, get the system. I
know who to pass to win the past. That's you
know what I mean, That's kind of like what you
live for to see it, to see your teammate be
jogging back after you hit a shot. You know, like

(01:07:53):
I just said it, I did all the work, you
know what.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
I'm like, I feel great about school moving on to
what you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
I'm gonna do all the work. I got you exactly,
And that's that's kind of like was my joint plan was,
like I live to make I let it get my
centers paid. Any center that I play with, watch look
at their numbers. They got paid because I'm at the rim.
But you know what I mean, here you go make

(01:08:22):
you look good.

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
You see any of young guys, any of the young
guys in the league today that remind you some or
some similarities to you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Yeah, I would say, uh, I like Jamal Murray. You know,
I feel like because he posts up. I like him
because he posts up and he he know, he bigger
than everybody, so he kind of know how to use
his body to you know, to get into a shot
and ship like that. So I do like Jamal Murray.

(01:08:53):
I love halla Burton game just from like his playmaking
ability and his science. Jalen Bronson is nothing like me,
but like God, damn, I wish I was like him.
I wish I was like he getting busy, you know
what I mean, he is super busy. And then Tyrie,

(01:09:14):
I would say, just from I think I got top
five handles all the time. I ain't on people list,
but I ripped like for the people on the top
five lists, you feel me? So I can you be
on the top five handle list if you get ripped?

Speaker 5 (01:09:31):
That's a fact, all right, that's a fact, you know
what I always think about when people get ripped like that. Like, man,
when I was growing up, I used to wash this
document like crazy, shout out to Bassie, Bassie, Yeah to
me through the file when his brother told her, you
get ripped a half court, you tired, yeah, because there's

(01:09:52):
no way.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
And what he was pretty much said was like, there's
no way.

Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
You just got ripped. Yeah, So if you just got ripped,
you must you must be tired, like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Or you ain't. Are your handles ain't all the way down?
Facts you don't get like people with handles don't get.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Ripped for sure. So that's the fact I can agree
with that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
Before we get out of here, on your journey with
the New York Knicks, lint sanity and playing through that, uh,
first off, what was your point of view just on
that whole thing?

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Like I went to Mike d'An toni and I was like, yea,
I need another week.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
To come back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
So that's how it started because I couldn't. He was
supposed to get cut, Mary was supposed to get cut,
and I was supposed to get activated, but my back
was messed up. And so it started with that and
then we lost to Houston, and I was like, Coach,
you gotta play Jeremy Lynn. He was like, you out
your mind. He's the only guy that goes north and

(01:11:03):
south in your offense. Tony Douglas this way, Amon Shumper
this way, and so if they go this way, nobody dives.
So when Mellow come up, Mellow frustrated, I don't care
who it is. You gotta find somebody that go north
of south, you know what I mean. And he played
Jeremy Lynn in the Houston game. I think they got

(01:11:23):
like six points for a rebound. I was like in
a steal assist really got beat by thirty. And I
was like, Sea comes like, if you can get four
in a regular if you can get this just in
a regular game while we're losing by six and eight,
we'll be like we got enough, you know what I mean.

(01:11:44):
And so Jeremy lynn locker was next to mine, so
I got to witness the whole entire thing from the
first game ball to the next game. He ball like
it was like we got his locker here. We had
an empty locker here, and it's my locker to where
like I was getting dressed, brother, and like the damn

(01:12:05):
near in the bathroom in the handicaps time. I had
to hang my shit up. Bro. It was like a
thousand people in the locker room. I mean, you was hooping, right,
so you want. I don't know how y'all was looking
at it, but he was on CNN, MSNBC U, MTV B,

(01:12:34):
the Weather Channel DH one. They was all in there
because I kept having to move my seat out. I'm like, damn,
what's the weather channeling it in? It's like Jeremy Lynn,
make it rain. Chinese brought so many China media it
was crazy. They had to move him to a press
conference that. Granted, this is like maybe like three weeks

(01:12:58):
before all start weekend, he is doing press conferences in
a full room of people. Uh, Kobe came in town.
Hey Kobe, don't let this dud bust your ass.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
You hot?

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
You know what I mean? He hot? Don't let him
get you, bro. You know, Cob like, come on, be there,
not worried about none of that. I'm like, hey, yo,
he is going to kill you guys tomorrow and I'm
telling you this now, bro, just someone I come in
here after the game, right, You're not mad at me?

(01:13:37):
So me and him at dinner and man, and this
is all I'm talking about. No matter what Kobe is
talking about, all I keep coming back to, like, hey, Doc,
he's going to bust your last tomorrow and I'm going
to show up in your locker room and I'm gonna
be laughing. Rodie, Lakers come in town. Hey dude, he

(01:13:57):
served the Lakers And after the game, I went right
down here. He was tight. Hey dude, Ky was so tight.
He was so tight. He was hot because he didn't
you know what I mean, He didn't you didn't know

(01:14:18):
what to like. This kid had magic. It was just
like it was just some shit that you only see
the greats have, you know what I mean. But you
see people have these moments on ten day contracts or
like filling in for somebody, Like you see somebody have
a great one or two weeks. But like, the attention

(01:14:39):
and the level he was playing at was like ridiculous.
And then we played Miami and Lebron and was like,
all right, We're done with all this shit. They ended.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
What you being the veteran point guard on that team,
what was your relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Jeremy lamb Oh, we were super cool, super cool because
remember I was supposed that's supposed to be my spot.
I'm supposed to start, but now he balling, So I'm like,
oh shit, I'll come off the bench and lead me
JR shump, you know what I mean, no back. So
we had a nice little bench mob that compliment in it.

(01:15:16):
So I was just I was for him starting because
I couldn't really I didn't even know how long I
was gonna be able to make it through the season
if my minutes were to increase, And so me playing
twenty minutes a game right now, you know, for the
second half of the season and get myself all the
way right for the playoffs, that's all I was banking on.
And so I needed him, you know what I mean.

(01:15:37):
And we would work out together because he was trying
to get me right to come back to play. I
tried a great relationship with him, you know, and you
watch a lot of people see an opportunity and a
lot of people was trying to help him, and it
was just like, I just think all that shit was
just overwhelming, you know what I mean, It got real overwhelming.

(01:15:59):
And you know, for a dude who's never had media
attention like bro, I don't like, I don't think you
could have handled it, like I couldn't have handled I
definitely couldn't have handled it, you know what I mean,
But like you get a lot of media, I don't
think you could have handled it because it was just
like where are these people coming from? You know what
I mean? And it was like in the middle of

(01:16:19):
the season, and it was just at some point the
ship was gonna have to die out, but the media
coverage wasn't dying out, you know what I mean. So
it was a little dissension. Whose team is it? You
know what I mean, Like all the goofy shit, like
who is Mellow and Mari everybody team but Jared, you

(01:16:40):
know what I mean, Like we're gonna rock with this
insanity and you know we're gonna right that way, but
it definitely ain't his team, you know. And there was
a little bit of confusion in that I talked to
I talked to mellow on about the podcast because they
had it, had a breakfast all and we was in

(01:17:01):
Milwaukee and Passwall I was like, what y'all doing? He
was like, man, you know, we're trying to, you know,
figure it out. I was like, figure it out. Show team,
shut team, shut team. You come on here with us.
You balling, you're balling, You're about to get paid, but
it's not your team. This is You ain't.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
Built for what these dudes. It's built for it, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
But the type of year you haven't. We're gonna rock
with you, you know what I mean. Ain't gonna be
no hate. We're gonna love you, you know what I mean.
We're gonna protect you, We're gonna learn, we're gonna grow together.
But these are your guys.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
It's yeah, I don't think people understand the mentality. But
also what it takes to be a superstar in this league.
He was getting superstar attention, superstar treatment, but to really
be a superstar in this league, Like, how different you
gotta be to have to do that on that level

(01:18:01):
every single night.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
It's a totally different ball game.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
And you gotta be wired different, Yes you do. You
gotta be completely wired different. And you're not wired like that,
you know what I mean. Like you gotta be like
the world revolves around me all the time, me only,
and everything that I do tonight is about us, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
My performance is a win.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
You don't want that pressure on yourself as you start
now as a point guard, you want that pressure because
if you got these three people, Okay, I like my
chances with my superstars, which makes a point guard a
superstar because of your value, you know what I mean.
That's a fact. That's a fact.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
Was there any misconceptions about Mellow, Like because you just
started this off you said, Yo, we need somebody to
get down for Mello rolling up, So if he's didn't
getting downhill, then it sounded like Melo would appreciate him
as opposed to the way it was it was built

(01:19:09):
out during that time.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Was yeah, Melo, you gotta think lyn sanity happened when
Mellow was out. So whoever was rolling, like the offense
is rolling now because it's spots the field and there's
no Mellow around, and Mellow want to post, you know
what I mean, Mellow want to get into Mellow got

(01:19:30):
to get into his rhythm for end the game. Shit. Absolutely,
So when Mellow came back, it was more so like
Mello just didn't want to stand in the corner, bro
you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
So right, so he caught Mellow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
And so when Mellow came back, our bench was a
line like we were smacking people. But it was the
bench that was running up the score. So people were
like relating that to like they weren't really like working
in clashing in together. But it was a different offense too,

(01:20:10):
it was Woody's offense. Yeah, so it went from D'Antoni
to Mike Woodson in the same season. Like Woolson is like, hey,
this is my guy, this is my guy. My point
guard does this, and I'm gonna let my point guard
eaton however, but like this is how my point guard was.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
So Woody was the worst thing that could have happened
to Germany.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Now, wood he was the best thing that could have
happened to jar Me Lynn because he was gonna save
him from like walking out there by himself.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
So from the false sense of what everybody else was trying, he.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Would have had to maintain Lynn Saturday and go this
way with D'Antoni, which means, yeah, if we went in
and we rolling like, dude, you're the next Steve Nash Luca,
you know what I mean. But like, at some point
people ain't gonna believe that shit it. Yeah, that's a fact.
You gotta make people believe it every day, And it's

(01:21:05):
not just two weeks you did, you know what I'm saying.
So when Miami went in and locked it, you know,
came and was like, okay, we're locking everything up. You
know what I'm saying, it force it forces you. And
then d Will came back in New Jersey, had a
great game. We lost to them, you know what I'm saying.
So now it's like, oh, you a superstar. Okay, how

(01:21:28):
do you feel about Superstars?

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Now he was love, now you hate it Superstars?

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
I hate hate it. You can't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Can you play being the most hated person on the court.
That's a fact. And so that was like what he
coming in was like, yo, man, you can be a
starting point guard with you know, mellow Maris Stottameyer, Tyson
Chandler and I think it was maybe like Landry Phields
or somebody like that. You can be in this starting
five and wind up being a good point guard growing

(01:21:57):
into the guards. He had bibbi's and t's, you know
what i mean. And then I'm coming off the bench
so I can stabilize you, you know what I mean.
So like all we got to do now is just
play for wins. But you ain't about to be getting
these twenty five seven's, ten fifteen's, Like those days are over,
you know what I mean, Because we're actually pretty good.

(01:22:21):
We got we deep, we got ten, we go ten
DP and you're a good fit with these guys. But
if you want to come off bitch and rock with him,
like you may have a little bit a bit more freedom,
but you're not. Because you got Jr. You got shunk.
Like we all clicking and rolling. And I think what
Woody was trying to do for Jeremy was get him

(01:22:41):
in so like you got a name, bro, so people
be like, Okay, you're not a flute, you know what
I mean, You're starting point guard in this league. You did,
know what I'm saying. And so I don't think Woody hurt.
I don't think what Jeremy Lynn got hurt and he
didn't come back. Think that's ultimately what what what hurt his?

(01:23:03):
How people looked at him, you know, because when you
went to Houston, you know what I mean, Now you
got a big deal. Now you're the man, yep, and
there's no insanity, you know what I mean. And so
sometimes you got to realize when you are of a
moment in a moment and how to take a moment
and like create something bigger than yourself for other people,

(01:23:27):
you know what I mean. But I don't think he
could have kept up that frequency, you know, and so
as it was dying off, I think him being established
solid point guard would have been the best thing for
Mellow was trying to help like him and Mellow was cool.
The only thing they were trying to figure out was
off like the offense, but everything else, like Melo was

(01:23:49):
trying to help him get marketing deals with his team,
like the dude was like it was. It was crazy
like Hollywood actresses that I new. I ain't gonna say.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
No, man.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
They was like uh so, like yeah, what's happening? How
you like me?

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
Or I'm good?

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
What's happening? How you doing? Like what's up with Jeremy Lynn?
Like huh Jemmy Lynn? Like how is he? I'm like, like,
who's asking? Like is that the word? It was like heah,
we'all couple friends want to meet him, come to the game.
I'm like, dude, Wow, I'm like, Jeremy, you have no idea, bro.

(01:24:30):
Like everybody, he was the most famous person in the
world for like two weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:24:35):
That's crazy, crazy bron last one before we get out
of here.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
As a form of worry, your thoughts on Clay Clay
going to the bad damn, you know what I mean?
Like you hate to I hate to see it because
you know y'all was babies, you know what I mean.
And it's and you know it's similar to how we
feel about Kobe here in l A because you watch

(01:25:01):
watch y'all go from young young young men to men
to superstars to like legends, you know what I mean.
And so you know, I wish Clay the bust because
I'm a Clay fan. I'm a I'm the player fan first,
so whatever the player feel like it's best for them.

(01:25:23):
I'm always rocking with a player, but as a Warrior
fan and what he meant to the Warriors, I just
hope like they do the documentary to welcome back, like
let me direct the video or some shit like that,
like just honor the man the way he's supposed to.
But shit, man, the dynasty is over, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
And I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
I want to ask you how you feel because I
ask you on my podcast, but like, like I don't
know how you just kill my you know how you
kill the dynasty without letting, you know, letting your guns
language right off in the sunset.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Like you know a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
I'm like, damn, like, who did this? Who took who
took the who took my guy out the story?

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
It's not a story booking that is supposed to happen.
But you know, the league is a business. I think
it's good for Clay. You get to go to a
team that he can help. Yelp, man. I think it's
good for the Warriors because the Warriors are't gonna get
better already got you know, Derek Jones, Uh is it
Derek Jones Jr.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
No, Anthony Milton, Kyle Anderson, I thought, but.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Went to the Clippers Anthony Milton.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Buddy here.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Yeah, yeah, y'all got better too, you know, because you
replace Clay with some shooting, you replace you add some
playmaking shooting, you know what I mean? And like I
just think that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Yeah, the way y'all play, y'all gonna be there. You
just need one of them young dudes to figure out
that's sit easy out here for them, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
Like j K, Yeah, yeah, don I appreciate Ma, thank you,
thank you, absolutely, that's a right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
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