Draymond Green discusses Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, and the Boston Celtics beating Luka Doncic and the Dallas Mavericks to win the franchise's 18th NBA Finals, Pascal Siakam's extension with the Indiana Pacers, Monty Williams being fired by the Detroit Pistons and potentially being an option to coach LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers, and Charles Barkley retiring after next season after the final year of ‘Inside the NBA.’
00:00 - Start
3:00 - Celtics beat Mavericks
14:00 - Conversation with Jayson Tatum
23:00 - Next year for Celtics
30:00 - Monty Williams fired
33:00 - Charles Barkley retiring
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Speaker 1 (01:24):
What's up, everybody, Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show.
We're back with another episode discussing the end of.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
The NBA Finals. Number one.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I want to apologize to all of our subscribers and
fans who were here a couple of nights ago when
the Celtics closed out the finals. I am currently out
of the country and so I was kind of having
some technical difficulties. I was five am, where I was
where I am at the time that the game finished,
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and we were going live, And I must tell you
I am probably equally as pissed off as you were
because I stayed up till five am to watch a
blowout and not do a podcast. And quite frankly, I
probably could have went to bed in the first quarter
because the writing was on the wall towards the end
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of the first quarter, second quarter, you kind of knew
the writing was on the wall that the Celtics would
be we'll get their eighteenth manner that they tried to
get against the Dubs and didn't work. However, yes, I
do apologize, and like I said, I was equally as
upset because then I had to get up at eight
o'clock in the morning. I tried kind of making this
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thing work till about six o'clock in the morning, and
so it kind of set up the rest of my day. Nonetheless,
I pushed through, and I thank you for your support
to our lawyer subscribers, thank you. And I do apologize.
But we're back today and let's get into it. Also,
(02:55):
we have an interview dropping tomorrow. It'll be a fun interview.
I'll let you you know who the interview is if
you stay to the end of this podcast, I'll let
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
The Celtics beat the mass to win the NBA for
all time NBA leading eighteenth NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Jalen Brown wins the finals MVP number one.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Congratulations to the Boston Celtics. Congratulations to JB on the
finals MVP. Congratulations to JT on his first NBA championship.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Of what I do not think is his last.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Congrass to Drew Holliday on his second NBA championship. Congrats
to my young Spartan doll who got in and played
big minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
By the way, hit a.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Big big three in Game four three, Game three, hit
a big three. Shout out to my young spark dog
x Xavier Tillman. Uh you know that's like I said,
that's my spartan dog is Michigan State. And I received
a text from Michigan State approving a picture today of
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me with a trophy because we got another champion, and
the Murals got to come down for the Sparks champions
they're making new ones.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
And so to see.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
One of my young fellas win a championship, a couple
of my young fellas win championships, it's absolutely amazing, you know,
to winness JT after all that he's been going through.
Like I told you all, I think there's this imaginary clock.
I know that there's this imaginary clock. I don't think
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that there's imaginary clock. I know that there is the
way you see it manifest itself with JT is no
MVP votes average thirty points.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
People won't even mention him in the MVP come station
won the.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Eastern Conference by thirty games, no recognition for it, as if,
like I said, as if he wasn't averaging thirty or
twenty eight or whatever you average, zero recognition for.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Why because they start your clock.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And so for JT, who went to the conference finals
as a rookie and five conference finals, if I'm not mistaken,
in his first seven years, which this is being here
just completed year.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Seven, they started the clock.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And so then you start to get to year three,
four and they're looking and they're like, well, you already
been to the conference finals, so that's not enough.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
They start your clock.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You see it happen kind of with Treyon where they
go to the Eastern Conference finals sooner than expected, and
then all of a sudden, next couple of years they haven't,
and everybody's like, oh, they need to trade them, they
need to move on. That's because they start your clock.
And so for JT to see them start his clock,
not get the MVP recognition that he deserves and all
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these things, to see him persevere through that and actually
finish the job going, by the way, with JT, not
only the conference finals, then in year five you actually
do the thing right, like you actually get there and
you lose to a team that obviously we've had the
success that we've had, but to a team that most
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people said y'all should beat, and in turn they hold.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It against you.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So the last two years for him has been just like, yeah,
he make our NBA because he's that good, and like,
how can you leave him off?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Like make.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
An all start because he's that good? But like, come on,
like if you're watching him, like you know, like so
when I said, like you know, like not the same
lust love that was there for him before, and so
like I said, to see a guy persevere through that,
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not make it all about himself to where he sabotages
the game and try to chase the finals MVP, because
then we all know what everybody's gonna say that like
oh yeah you want, but you don't get the finals MVP,
so you still have something more to prove. Like well,
quite frankly, US as athletes, we are our biggest critics.
US as athletes, we are our biggest motivators, and US
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as athletes we do the work so and the standards
that we have for ourselves it's way higher than what
people have for us. And so regardless of that. Of course,
he still has something to prove, you know why, because
he's a competitor, because he's a champion, and he's in
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year seven. And by the way, the feeling that he's
going through right now and experiencing.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Like that high, that cloud that he's rolling through on
in life.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
In a few weeks he'll go through this space of
almost a depression.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And it's interesting because.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
For three weeks you kind of ride this wave like
you ride this wave of like man, every room you
walk into for the rest of the summer, people going
to say, what's up, chap, hey, chimp, and you feel
so great about it because you know the journey that
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you went through to accomplish it.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And then.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
You get free meals everywhere you go. You get all
the perks, all of the perks. You go to the hotel, hotel,
you usually go to a hotel, you check in for
the first time, they got your initials on the pillows,
the sheets, like the stuff that starts happening after you
win to it's incredible, and then you kind of go
through this depression.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Maybe in like three to four weeks.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
JT will be in the Olympics, so it could extend
for him, but you end up going through this like
small depression. And no I'm not talking a serious depression
like people may deal with and I take mental health
very seriously. But you go through this small depression, and
what that depression is driven by is, man, that feeling
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felt so good. My biggest fear is now to never
feel that feeling again. And guess what, in that moment,
there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. You know why,
because you can't go play the game. So you have
to like wait like at minimum an entire year. At
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maximum it's infinity. It could go on and on. However,
that's what you kind of go through. So with JT
I'm so happy for him because when people go through
that what he's been going through, they start acting for trades.
They start acting for guys to be traded. They start saying, man,
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me and jab can't work. And I'm I'm gonna believe
the narrative that everyone else is pushing and because I
am Jason Tatum, I'm gonna go try to push him
out because then that takes what they're saying about me.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
All. He didn't do that. He's still pat right there
with his.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Brother and they went and did it, and they got
the utmost respect for me. I'm happy to see them,
them brothers win a championship. They got my utmost respect
because anybody that win it, when you win it, when
you once you become a champion, I'm like, you got
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my respect.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
There is no more this thing or that thing or
no you got on my respect, quite frankly, which is
why I didn't want something to see some teams winning championship,
because everybody don't deserve my respect. But if you become
a champion, it's not up to me whether you get
my respect or not. You took it like you took
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the respect. And so happy to see some guys win
a championship that AI already respected, but be that like
you want to respect, because like they should be respected
to Congratulations to Al Horford, a guy who I've had
a few battles with and you bump up in the game.
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Never like an issue much respect for him anyway, just
as a player as a person, but Al has talked
to his shit at times. His sister get on there
and talk hers at times, and uh, it gets interesting.
It gets fun, nonetheless to see how go all these
years as a two time NCAA champion and then never
get the experience that high at this level. Keep pushing,
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keep pushing and get through it. Leave Boston, come back
and do it. Nothing but respect. Congratulations coach Joe Missoula.
Youngest ever if I'm not mistaken, if not the youngest ever,
the youngest since Bill Russell since nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Congrats coach well deserved. Put the work in.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Came off of email, getting to a World Championship, getting
to the NBA Finals. Sorry, get into the NBA Finals,
losing and then come in and like lose. Oh, lose
to the Miami Heat after going down three to zh,
battling back, getting in three to three and then losing
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in seven. Everybody wants your head. Oh, we just went
to the finals. Everybody start calling for emay back, We
need e may like. This guy comes and losing the
first round. Stuck with it, stuck with it. Congrats to them.
Brian Stevens made the moves that needed to be made.
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Congrats to him. So it's fun to see. I had
a conversation with JT yesterday, which was a fun conversation
for me. When you have a relationship with someone, for me,
like I only want to see.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Them do well.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
It's crazy because I remember going back to the NBA
Finals in twenty twenty two and I didn't say a
word to JT. And I think I might have told
you all this story before. I didn't say a word
to him, and I didn't say a word because we're
in the NBA Finals, like I don't need anything that
can take me off my square, and like the love
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that I have for that young man right there can
take me off my square.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
And so I didn't say hi, I didn't say bye.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I did see Deuce in the hallway a couple of
times and Moms in the hallway a couple of times,
and I definitely said hi to them, but I do nothing,
and to be quite honest with you, because of the relationship,
because of love that I do have for him.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
It actually was bothering me.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And it was bothering me because I could actually see
he didn't know what the hell to think, like first
time planning in the NBA Finals, so he didn't know
what to make of it. And it was actually bothering
me that I could see that, like and the moment
the game, the moment it finished, and I saw the picture.
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Actually recently I went straight to him and hugged him
and I told him, I said, it's been bothering me
so much to not talk to you, but now you
get it, I said, But now you get it. Now
you now understand what the mindset has to be.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
And like.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
In order to actually do this, many people get close,
go to a finals and lose and never go back.
Like I said, Now you see, I said. And it
bothered me going through it, but I know I had
done it three times. I know what it but now
you can see. And so to see him do that.
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I called him the other day yesterday and he had
the trophy, smiling ear to ear and he just holds
the trophy and he said to me, he said, uh,
I don't know what I thought this was gonna feel like,
but whatever I thought, it's way better. Like it doesn't
even come close to what I actually thought it would
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feel like. And like the thoughts that you have at
winning the championship are pretty like, it didn't come close
to what I even thought it feel like like it's
way more And I just called them number one to
say congratulations, But number two, I said to him, I
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just need to feel this energy because I know what
it's like like when you're around someone that just want
a championship, the vibrations that you catch from them, like
they are at an all their frequency level is at
an all time high, like it's just radiating.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And I called him. I said, I'm just calling to
tell you congratulations.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'm happy for you, and I also need to feel
some of that energy, like I just need to feel it,
like I want to feel that energy right now. And
he like, man, and we laugh talking on the phone.
I start yelling like like let's go like and I
told him, like for when a little brother of mine
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win a championship, I feel like I want a championship
because to see them experience that, you know, the feeling.
And I got I got a chance to feel that energy.
And then I'm like all right bye, like go hire
your fun. I'm out your hair. I wanted to see
your face and say congratulations. I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Have fun.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Like we was on FaceTime. The energy that I felt
coming through a FaceTime was absolutely amazing, absolutely incredible. So
I know I just wanted a whole loop. But congrats
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to JT. Congrats to the Boston Celtics. Congrats to JB. Well,
deserved fun to watch. Now let's get into this podcast
sight anyway. So when you look at the Boston Celtic seasons, uh,
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this is a team that has their top eight or
nine guys and their rotation coming back, all under contract,
and so you start to ask yourself, can this team
do it again?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Now?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Sometimes that can get dicey when you got so many
guys under contract, because sometimes you can come back when
you don't get new blood, Like sometimes you win a
championship and then you get new blood in.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
And when you get the new blood.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
In, they want to feel that feeling, you know, they
see you get your rings on ring night, like they
see the banner go up when y'all walking around.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Every arena you go to, or or.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Maybe not every arena you go to, but definitely every game,
your whole arena, you're defending champions like you hear that.
And so when you get new blood and they want
to feel that too, they want to experience that. And
sometimes that can drive you because then, like once you
win your first one, it becomes like the through these
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championships what you appreciate most of the but once you
get your first one, the best part about getting the
next one is seeing the guys that get it for
the first time and how they react, because then what
it does for you is it takes you back mentally
to your first time and how you reacted, and it's
very interesting to watch. I've enjoyed that part of the process.
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So anyway, they're bringing their.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Top eight back.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And like I said, which sometimes can get a little tricky,
because I'll just be completely and honest with you, they
won't be as hungry for They won't be as hungry
for another for the next championship as they was for
the first championship. It's just not a realistic thing now,
not saying to you they won't be hungry and their
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goal coming into next season won't be to win the
championship again.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Of course that's going to be their goal.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
But to think that you we're gonna have the same
hunger for your first million dollars as opposed to your
second million dollars, it's not the same now. Doesn't mean
you're not hungry, but it's not driven from the same place, right,
It doesn't come from the same place what it is
for the competitors, for those that are seeking greatness and
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want to be great.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
You find different things to continue to push you.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
But nobody ever said, oh man, I got my first
million dollars, I gotta get the next two doing it
the same way.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
No, it don't.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You feel a little better after the first one. You
feel a little more accomplished after the first one.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
And so they're bringing all eight.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Guys back in their top eight of their rotation, which
I think is great because it does put you in
the space.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So can we compete for multiple championships? Now? Can we
be the first team in seven years to go back
to back? And we do that?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I think in the history there's like eleven teams that's
went back to back or something like that. Can we
be that next one? You know, when you look at
this Boston Celsis team, they had like blank banners up
in their practice facility and like their whole talk for
the last X amount of years has been getting bannered
eighteen number one.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
You all know, I don't like the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Y'all fans are rude, and I dislike y'all because y'all
are assholes to me when I was there for the finals,
and I'll never forget it, And so I don't like y'all. However,
I was thinking about this last night. For a franchise
in the NBA, to like publicize how much they're going
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after Banner eighteen is crazy, Like that's not standard practicing
in the NBA. It's just not They actually did it.
I got nothing but respect for that. A lot of
people will tell you gotta go. Don't tell nobody because
they try to tear it down. They kept telling us
our goal, we gotta get better eighteen and number eighteen,
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eighteen eighteen, and they actually went and did it. And
if you can't respect that, I can't respect that. So
if you can't respect that, I'm sorry, but I can't
respect you because that is the definition of standing on
what you speak on, standing on business. However you want
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to break it down, that is it. I'm telling you
what I want. I'm telling you I'm going to get it.
Oh and by the way, I'm gonna get it. I
went and look, I did it. I got it. I
got nothing but respect for that. So I think he
could get a little dicey. I think one thing that
you could see is like this team is really good,
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but like in the regular season, it may not be
as great. You know, they ran through the regular season
this year. Sometimes you see a team like this come
back and they fall to the three or something like that.
For seed, doesn't mean they can't win a championship. By
the way, I said all of that to say, I
do think this team is set up to compete for
multiple titles. When you talk about a potential dynasty, I
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don't quite see that happening because I think we got
new rules, and we got a second apron and all
of those things, and like JT contract ain't kicked in yet,
his new big deal that he gonna get by the way,
that man gonna get four hundred million dollars or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Very close to it.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Those things haven't kicked in yet, and so when those
deals start to kick in, you start.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
To hit that second apron, it just changes things.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
And I think, quite frankly, with those rules being in,
I don't know if we'll ever see another dynasty, but.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Right now they have a chance quickly to build it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think people start calling us a dynasty when we
won three, and so they got a chance to do
it quickly. Though quickly doesn't get done, I don't know.
I just think these new rules makes it a lot
lot tougher to do. However, just like when we was
able to and hance our team on what has started
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off great and we were doing great and doing big things,
we were able to hance our team and add Kevin
Durant because there was a salary cap spike. Well, guess
what's coming up next year, guys a new TV deal
just like twenty sixteen, and so who knows how it
plays out, but they definitely have a chance to do it.
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So we'll see. On the Dallas side, they are also
bringing back most of their guys that's under contract that
were key contributors, but they lost. And so when you lost,
you didn't go in to the summer like, ah, what's
that one piece that we needed to get over that hunt?
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And the mindset is just totally different, by the way,
and sometimes the get that one piece that you think
you need, you have to give up a piece of two.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
And it just doesn't look the same. You know it could,
but sometimes.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
It doesn't, you know, And so that's kind of the situation,
you know, the space that where Dallas sits or you
could say, you know what, we were right there, only
played together five months, give it another year together and
like this team can really do it. I don't know,
I think you know, I've you know, I've become very
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friendly with Mark Cuban.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I actually fucking love Mark.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
He's a great person and we talked about it on
the podcast. But Mark really pissed me off when he
tests me, when he when he said out in no
business and told me I need to go to Kelly
Business School.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
However, getting like speaking.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
With him, and you know it came on the pod
and I actually like Mark a lot and Nico, Uh, Nico,
I think you know, I know though I know Nico
and Mark like those guys go after it like and
so they're never going to be satisfied with making it
to the NBA finals. Like Marcus, Mark Cuban has become
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who he's become because he just presses, presses pressed.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
It's like that's who he is.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I have no doubt that he's not about to double
down like whatever he feels needs to be that next
move him and Nico, he'll make it.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And so a lot of Paul George rumers already.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Paul George rumors. I'm sure other rumors will start popping up.
I has saw Clay rumors like you know, you start
to see different rumors for sure. But one thing we
know for certain, though Jackson is Mark Cuban is not
one that's afraid to swing.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
He will take this one. I mean, he swung Kyrie Irvan.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You know, Nico loud, Nico to trust his instinct, trust
what he know, and they Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It was huge for the Dallas matters.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
They're not in the NBA Finals and Kyrie isn't there,
you know, so we know they'll swing. So you know,
it makes for an interesting time, makes for a good
rematch on Christmas Day because I think our Christmas Day
game would definitely be a rematch with Luca and j
T and JB and Kyrie, and I think you know.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
In Boston, uh, you know so so we can see that.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
But yeah, nonetheless, that's kind of my take or how
where I sit on the thoughts of both teams after
the championship. You know, I asked you all the questions,
can they do it again? Quite frankly, I don't think
they can do it again next year. So I think
the Dove's gonna do it again next year. So that's
kind of where I stand on that. There's been a
lot of stuff going on in the NBA since that though.
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Number one, I saw something that come across my screen
that said, Pascal Siakam got one hundred and ninety million
dollars eighty nine and a half or whatever it is,
one eight nine and a half.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Congratulations to a guy.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I remember playing Pascal his rookie year and he was
just kind of long or first or second year long,
and like springy, you know, but he wasn't that good.
And then like the next year he just got way better,
and then the following year got way better.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
And he just continued to get better.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So to see guys put that work in on where
they started at, I always loved that. Didn't come in
everybody thinking he's going to be what he's been and
yet getting another MAX contract. So congratulations to Pascal, well deserved,
my brother. More news in the NBA, Mini Williams got
fired by the Detroit Pistons after one season. Congratulations to
(28:44):
Minnie Williams on getting fired by the Detroit Pistons after
season one.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
He get to go home and be with his family
and pulling sixty.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
But yeah, I think he got five years sixty five left,
so he had to pull in sixty five million dollars
over the next five years while not coaching the Detroit Pistons.
How crazy is that to hire somebody for an all
time contract in NBA history and fired him the next year.
(29:22):
You didn't even get a guy a chance to like
actually build what what you thought he could build when
you hired him for six years. You signed him to
six years. You signed someone in six years. You can't
possibly think year one. That's like, oh, it's everything shaded,
Like you need time to instill culture.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Culture isn't built overnight. And so I would love to
say I was shocked.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I was the least bit shocked, actually, because you know,
I grew up in the state of Michigan, and you
know Joe Dumars isn't with the Pistons anymore, and so
it's just been interesting ever since. So as shocked as
I am, not shocked at all. But congratulations to Minnie Williams.
(30:19):
Sixty five million coming your way to sit at the
crib and not have to coach, I mean, not coach
the Detroit Pissons. Minnie Williams is now on the free
agent market, and I know that the Los Angeles Lakers
have been.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Like I don't know what's going on?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But I know something's gonna happen fast, because you got
the draft coming up, you got free agency coming up.
Like it's been quite a while, and like I don't
know what exactly is going on, but like something's going on.
And I know Anthony Davis loved Money Williams when he
played for him at New Orleans. So you ask yourself
(30:55):
and should So you ask yourself, should the Lakers consider
Minnie Williams? And I said, of course, you gotta consider him,
especially with that tie, you definitely gotta consider him. Nonetheless,
congratulations to Minnie Williams. Also in NBA news, Sir Charles
(31:18):
the Great Charles Barkley says he's retiring from broadcasting that
next season. Absolutely love Charles Barkley. You all know where
our journey started. Our journey did not start in a
great place. Chuck used to sit on TV and say
he's gonna punch me in my face. He called me
mister tripple single. He's had his fresh share of jabs
(31:42):
and I've had my fresh air at jabs as well.
And nonetheless, I absolutely loved that brother. And he is incredible.
He is amazing. And if he retires, what a sad
day from NBA basketball. Like, I mean, we've all got
a custom grown a customer hearing that voice from the
last twenty seven years talk NBA basketball, So what a
(32:03):
sad day for NBA basketball. Whenever Chuck decides to retire, However,
I just think Chuck's being very emotional.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I don't think Chuck's about to retire.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I think Chuck's just in a very emotional state right now,
and he's processing those emotions. And you know, one day
you may wake up and be like, you know what,
I'm done with this stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I'm out of here. While you're processing those.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Emotions, and then you go a couple of days, maybe
a couple of weeks, maybe even a couple of months,
because this decision doesn't have to be made today, tomorrow
or the next day, and then you probably come to
your sistance and be like, I'm not retiring. What was
I thinking about? But you never really come back and
tell people I don't know what the hell I was thinking.
You kind of just go along with and then you
move on to the next thing. And that is what
(32:53):
I expect from Chuck. I expect Chuck to never come
back and tell us I was tripping. I'm not retiring.
I'm moving on to the next thing. But we will
all watch him gracefully move on to the next thing,
by the way, whether that is another year at Turnham
because Turner kept the rights, or you know, we don't
know what's going to happen with that thing. So I'm
not gonna even sit here and speak hypotheticals. The point
(33:14):
I'm making is I think Chuck was just in his feelings,
and as great as he is at times, we all
can get a little bit of our feelings and get
those starts twisted and not quite processed them in the
way we thought that we would process them. And that
is quite frankly, what I think Chuck is going through
right now. I don't think Chuck is retiring. I hope
(33:38):
Chuck don't retire. Chuck is absolutely incredible. We all love Chuck,
even the ones that tend to hate or think they
hate him.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
You go listen because we all love to hear what
he has to say.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
And even when he would say that team is a
jump shooting team and they never gonna win a championship.
Jump shooting teams don't win a championships, and all of
those things when Chuck used to say. We made Chuck
look like he didn't know what the hell he was
talking about. I still will watch and you still wanted
to hear what he had to say. So what a
sad day that would be. And I hope that that's
(34:11):
not the case. If that is the case, we will
do it properly. But it's been a job well done, sir.
It's been an absolutely incredible pleasure to turn on TNT
and here, Sir Chius make fun of people, talk great
about people, but more importantly, entertain us like we had
(34:31):
never been entertained during the basketball show in the history
of this game that we love, this league that we
love known.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
As the NBA.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
So yeah, I don't think Chuck's going anywhere, but if
he is, much love to Chuck, he's been absolutely incredible.
That's a rap from this episode of the Draymond Greenshaw.
I told you if you stayed until this point, I
will let you you know who we have tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
And quite frankly, we have a guy.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
That another guy that beat me in the NBA Finals,
which I'm not too happy about. This guy actually made
one of the calls in which we will talk about
on the episode so please check it out. But he
made a call defensively that was like adolescents played this defense.
(35:28):
No one in the NBA at the time plays this
defense like you play this defense in like seventh grade
when a kid is like really good, or maybe even
tenth grade, when a kid is really good and you
can't stop them, and you're like, we're going to this thing,
And like this guy, fucking Nick Nurse, who's our guest
on the next show, decides to go to this defense
(35:52):
in the NBA finals.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
And it actually crushed us. It worked.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
A defense that you use in childhood games worked, and
he made that call. He had it in him to
make that call, and in turn, he became a first
time NBA champion. We got Nick Nurse on the show.
Make sure you all tuned in. That will come out tomorrow.
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Speaker 1 (01:24):
What's up, everybody, Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show.
We're back with another episode discussing the end of.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
The NBA Finals. Number one.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I want to apologize to all of our subscribers and
fans who were here a couple of nights ago when
the Celtics closed out the finals. I am currently out
of the country and so I was kind of having
some technical difficulties. I was five am, where I was
where I am at the time that the game finished,
(01:53):
and we were going live, And I must tell you
I am probably equally as pissed off as you were
because I stayed up till five am to watch a
blowout and not do a podcast. And quite frankly, I
probably could have went to bed in the first quarter
because the writing was on the wall towards the end
(02:13):
of the first quarter, second quarter, you kind of knew
the writing was on the wall that the Celtics would
be we'll get their eighteenth manner that they tried to
get against the Dubs and didn't work. However, yes, I
do apologize, and like I said, I was equally as
upset because then I had to get up at eight
o'clock in the morning. I tried kind of making this
(02:35):
thing work till about six o'clock in the morning, and
so it kind of set up the rest of my day. Nonetheless,
I pushed through, and I thank you for your support
to our lawyer subscribers, thank you. And I do apologize.
But we're back today and let's get into it. Also,
(02:55):
we have an interview dropping tomorrow. It'll be a fun interview.
I'll let you you know who the interview is if
you stay to the end of this podcast, I'll let
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
The Celtics beat the mass to win the NBA for
all time NBA leading eighteenth NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Jalen Brown wins the finals MVP number one.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Congratulations to the Boston Celtics. Congratulations to JB on the
finals MVP. Congratulations to JT on his first NBA championship.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Of what I do not think is his last.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Congrass to Drew Holliday on his second NBA championship. Congrats
to my young Spartan doll who got in and played
big minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
By the way, hit a.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Big big three in Game four three, Game three, hit
a big three. Shout out to my young spark dog
x Xavier Tillman. Uh you know that's like I said,
that's my spartan dog is Michigan State. And I received
a text from Michigan State approving a picture today of
(04:13):
me with a trophy because we got another champion, and
the Murals got to come down for the Sparks champions
they're making new ones.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
And so to see.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
One of my young fellas win a championship, a couple
of my young fellas win championships, it's absolutely amazing, you know,
to winness JT after all that he's been going through.
Like I told you all, I think there's this imaginary clock.
I know that there's this imaginary clock. I don't think
(04:46):
that there's imaginary clock. I know that there is the
way you see it manifest itself with JT is no
MVP votes average thirty points.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
People won't even mention him in the MVP come station
won the.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Eastern Conference by thirty games, no recognition for it, as if,
like I said, as if he wasn't averaging thirty or
twenty eight or whatever you average, zero recognition for.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Why because they start your clock.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And so for JT, who went to the conference finals
as a rookie and five conference finals, if I'm not mistaken,
in his first seven years, which this is being here
just completed year.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Seven, they started the clock.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And so then you start to get to year three,
four and they're looking and they're like, well, you already
been to the conference finals, so that's not enough.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
They start your clock.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You see it happen kind of with Treyon where they
go to the Eastern Conference finals sooner than expected, and
then all of a sudden, next couple of years they haven't,
and everybody's like, oh, they need to trade them, they
need to move on. That's because they start your clock.
And so for JT to see them start his clock,
not get the MVP recognition that he deserves and all
(06:07):
these things, to see him persevere through that and actually
finish the job going, by the way, with JT, not
only the conference finals, then in year five you actually
do the thing right, like you actually get there and
you lose to a team that obviously we've had the
success that we've had, but to a team that most
(06:29):
people said y'all should beat, and in turn they hold.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It against you.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So the last two years for him has been just like, yeah,
he make our NBA because he's that good, and like,
how can you leave him off?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Like make.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
An all start because he's that good? But like, come on,
like if you're watching him, like you know, like so
when I said, like you know, like not the same
lust love that was there for him before, and so
like I said, to see a guy persevere through that,
(07:05):
not make it all about himself to where he sabotages
the game and try to chase the finals MVP, because
then we all know what everybody's gonna say that like
oh yeah you want, but you don't get the finals MVP,
so you still have something more to prove. Like well,
quite frankly, US as athletes, we are our biggest critics.
US as athletes, we are our biggest motivators, and US
(07:30):
as athletes we do the work so and the standards
that we have for ourselves it's way higher than what
people have for us. And so regardless of that. Of course,
he still has something to prove, you know why, because
he's a competitor, because he's a champion, and he's in
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year seven. And by the way, the feeling that he's
going through right now and experiencing.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Like that high, that cloud that he's rolling through on
in life.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
In a few weeks he'll go through this space of
almost a depression.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And it's interesting because.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
For three weeks you kind of ride this wave like
you ride this wave of like man, every room you
walk into for the rest of the summer, people going
to say, what's up, chap, hey, chimp, and you feel
so great about it because you know the journey that
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you went through to accomplish it.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And then.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
You get free meals everywhere you go. You get all
the perks, all of the perks. You go to the hotel, hotel,
you usually go to a hotel, you check in for
the first time, they got your initials on the pillows,
the sheets, like the stuff that starts happening after you
win to it's incredible, and then you kind of go
through this depression.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Maybe in like three to four weeks.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
JT will be in the Olympics, so it could extend
for him, but you end up going through this like
small depression. And no I'm not talking a serious depression
like people may deal with and I take mental health
very seriously. But you go through this small depression, and
what that depression is driven by is, man, that feeling
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felt so good. My biggest fear is now to never
feel that feeling again. And guess what, in that moment,
there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. You know why,
because you can't go play the game. So you have
to like wait like at minimum an entire year. At
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maximum it's infinity. It could go on and on. However,
that's what you kind of go through. So with JT
I'm so happy for him because when people go through
that what he's been going through, they start acting for trades.
They start acting for guys to be traded. They start saying, man,
(10:12):
me and jab can't work. And I'm I'm gonna believe
the narrative that everyone else is pushing and because I
am Jason Tatum, I'm gonna go try to push him
out because then that takes what they're saying about me.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
All. He didn't do that. He's still pat right there
with his.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Brother and they went and did it, and they got
the utmost respect for me. I'm happy to see them,
them brothers win a championship. They got my utmost respect
because anybody that win it, when you win it, when
you once you become a champion, I'm like, you got
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my respect.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
There is no more this thing or that thing or
no you got on my respect, quite frankly, which is
why I didn't want something to see some teams winning championship,
because everybody don't deserve my respect. But if you become
a champion, it's not up to me whether you get
my respect or not. You took it like you took
(11:15):
the respect. And so happy to see some guys win
a championship that AI already respected, but be that like
you want to respect, because like they should be respected
to Congratulations to Al Horford, a guy who I've had
a few battles with and you bump up in the game.
(11:36):
Never like an issue much respect for him anyway, just
as a player as a person, but Al has talked
to his shit at times. His sister get on there
and talk hers at times, and uh, it gets interesting.
It gets fun, nonetheless to see how go all these
years as a two time NCAA champion and then never
get the experience that high at this level. Keep pushing,
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keep pushing and get through it. Leave Boston, come back
and do it. Nothing but respect. Congratulations coach Joe Missoula.
Youngest ever if I'm not mistaken, if not the youngest ever,
the youngest since Bill Russell since nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Congrats coach well deserved. Put the work in.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Came off of email, getting to a World Championship, getting
to the NBA Finals. Sorry, get into the NBA Finals,
losing and then come in and like lose. Oh, lose
to the Miami Heat after going down three to zh,
battling back, getting in three to three and then losing
(12:43):
in seven. Everybody wants your head. Oh, we just went
to the finals. Everybody start calling for emay back, We
need e may like. This guy comes and losing the
first round. Stuck with it, stuck with it. Congrats to them.
Brian Stevens made the moves that needed to be made.
(13:06):
Congrats to him. So it's fun to see. I had
a conversation with JT yesterday, which was a fun conversation
for me. When you have a relationship with someone, for me,
like I only want to see.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Them do well.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
It's crazy because I remember going back to the NBA
Finals in twenty twenty two and I didn't say a
word to JT. And I think I might have told
you all this story before. I didn't say a word
to him, and I didn't say a word because we're
in the NBA Finals, like I don't need anything that
can take me off my square, and like the love
(13:47):
that I have for that young man right there can
take me off my square.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
And so I didn't say hi, I didn't say bye.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I did see Deuce in the hallway a couple of
times and Moms in the hallway a couple of times,
and I definitely said hi to them, but I do nothing,
and to be quite honest with you, because of the relationship,
because of love that I do have for him.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
It actually was bothering me.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And it was bothering me because I could actually see
he didn't know what the hell to think, like first
time planning in the NBA Finals, so he didn't know
what to make of it. And it was actually bothering
me that I could see that, like and the moment
the game, the moment it finished, and I saw the picture.
(14:41):
Actually recently I went straight to him and hugged him
and I told him, I said, it's been bothering me
so much to not talk to you, but now you
get it, I said, But now you get it. Now
you now understand what the mindset has to be.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
And like.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
In order to actually do this, many people get close,
go to a finals and lose and never go back.
Like I said, Now you see, I said. And it
bothered me going through it, but I know I had
done it three times. I know what it but now
you can see. And so to see him do that.
(15:25):
I called him the other day yesterday and he had
the trophy, smiling ear to ear and he just holds
the trophy and he said to me, he said, uh,
I don't know what I thought this was gonna feel like,
but whatever I thought, it's way better. Like it doesn't
even come close to what I actually thought it would
(15:46):
feel like. And like the thoughts that you have at
winning the championship are pretty like, it didn't come close
to what I even thought it feel like like it's
way more And I just called them number one to
say congratulations, But number two, I said to him, I
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just need to feel this energy because I know what
it's like like when you're around someone that just want
a championship, the vibrations that you catch from them, like
they are at an all their frequency level is at
an all time high, like it's just radiating.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And I called him. I said, I'm just calling to
tell you congratulations.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'm happy for you, and I also need to feel
some of that energy, like I just need to feel it,
like I want to feel that energy right now. And
he like, man, and we laugh talking on the phone.
I start yelling like like let's go like and I
told him, like for when a little brother of mine
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win a championship, I feel like I want a championship
because to see them experience that, you know, the feeling.
And I got I got a chance to feel that energy.
And then I'm like all right bye, like go hire
your fun. I'm out your hair. I wanted to see
your face and say congratulations. I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Have fun.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Like we was on FaceTime. The energy that I felt
coming through a FaceTime was absolutely amazing, absolutely incredible. So
I know I just wanted a whole loop. But congrats
(17:34):
to JT. Congrats to the Boston Celtics. Congrats to JB. Well,
deserved fun to watch. Now let's get into this podcast
sight anyway. So when you look at the Boston Celtic seasons, uh,
(17:55):
this is a team that has their top eight or
nine guys and their rotation coming back, all under contract,
and so you start to ask yourself, can this team
do it again?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Now?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Sometimes that can get dicey when you got so many
guys under contract, because sometimes you can come back when
you don't get new blood, Like sometimes you win a
championship and then you get new blood in.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
And when you get the new blood.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
In, they want to feel that feeling, you know, they
see you get your rings on ring night, like they
see the banner go up when y'all walking around.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Every arena you go to, or or.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Maybe not every arena you go to, but definitely every game,
your whole arena, you're defending champions like you hear that.
And so when you get new blood and they want
to feel that too, they want to experience that. And
sometimes that can drive you because then, like once you
win your first one, it becomes like the through these
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championships what you appreciate most of the but once you
get your first one, the best part about getting the
next one is seeing the guys that get it for
the first time and how they react, because then what
it does for you is it takes you back mentally
to your first time and how you reacted, and it's
very interesting to watch. I've enjoyed that part of the process.
(19:24):
So anyway, they're bringing their.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Top eight back.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And like I said, which sometimes can get a little tricky,
because I'll just be completely and honest with you, they
won't be as hungry for They won't be as hungry
for another for the next championship as they was for
the first championship. It's just not a realistic thing now,
not saying to you they won't be hungry and their
(19:53):
goal coming into next season won't be to win the
championship again.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Of course that's going to be their goal.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
But to think that you we're gonna have the same
hunger for your first million dollars as opposed to your
second million dollars, it's not the same now. Doesn't mean
you're not hungry, but it's not driven from the same place, right,
It doesn't come from the same place what it is
for the competitors, for those that are seeking greatness and
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want to be great.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
You find different things to continue to push you.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
But nobody ever said, oh man, I got my first
million dollars, I gotta get the next two doing it
the same way.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
No, it don't.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You feel a little better after the first one. You
feel a little more accomplished after the first one.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
And so they're bringing all eight.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Guys back in their top eight of their rotation, which
I think is great because it does put you in
the space.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
So can we compete for multiple championships? Now? Can we
be the first team in seven years to go back
to back? And we do that?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I think in the history there's like eleven teams that's
went back to back or something like that. Can we
be that next one? You know, when you look at
this Boston Celsis team, they had like blank banners up
in their practice facility and like their whole talk for
the last X amount of years has been getting bannered
eighteen number one.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
You all know, I don't like the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Y'all fans are rude, and I dislike y'all because y'all
are assholes to me when I was there for the finals,
and I'll never forget it, And so I don't like y'all. However,
I was thinking about this last night. For a franchise
in the NBA, to like publicize how much they're going
(21:48):
after Banner eighteen is crazy, Like that's not standard practicing
in the NBA. It's just not They actually did it.
I got nothing but respect for that. A lot of
people will tell you gotta go. Don't tell nobody because
they try to tear it down. They kept telling us
our goal, we gotta get better eighteen and number eighteen,
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eighteen eighteen, and they actually went and did it. And
if you can't respect that, I can't respect that. So
if you can't respect that, I'm sorry, but I can't
respect you because that is the definition of standing on
what you speak on, standing on business. However you want
(22:30):
to break it down, that is it. I'm telling you
what I want. I'm telling you I'm going to get it.
Oh and by the way, I'm gonna get it. I
went and look, I did it. I got it. I
got nothing but respect for that. So I think he
could get a little dicey. I think one thing that
you could see is like this team is really good,
(22:51):
but like in the regular season, it may not be
as great. You know, they ran through the regular season
this year. Sometimes you see a team like this come
back and they fall to the three or something like that.
For seed, doesn't mean they can't win a championship. By
the way, I said all of that to say, I
do think this team is set up to compete for
multiple titles. When you talk about a potential dynasty, I
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don't quite see that happening because I think we got
new rules, and we got a second apron and all
of those things, and like JT contract ain't kicked in yet,
his new big deal that he gonna get by the way,
that man gonna get four hundred million dollars or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Very close to it.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Those things haven't kicked in yet, and so when those
deals start to kick in, you start.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
To hit that second apron, it just changes things.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
And I think, quite frankly, with those rules being in,
I don't know if we'll ever see another dynasty, but.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Right now they have a chance quickly to build it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think people start calling us a dynasty when we
won three, and so they got a chance to do
it quickly. Though quickly doesn't get done, I don't know.
I just think these new rules makes it a lot
lot tougher to do. However, just like when we was
able to and hance our team on what has started
(24:11):
off great and we were doing great and doing big things,
we were able to hance our team and add Kevin
Durant because there was a salary cap spike. Well, guess
what's coming up next year, guys a new TV deal
just like twenty sixteen, and so who knows how it
plays out, but they definitely have a chance to do it.
(24:33):
So we'll see. On the Dallas side, they are also
bringing back most of their guys that's under contract that
were key contributors, but they lost. And so when you lost,
you didn't go in to the summer like, ah, what's
that one piece that we needed to get over that hunt?
(24:56):
And the mindset is just totally different, by the way,
and sometimes the get that one piece that you think
you need, you have to give up a piece of two.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
And it just doesn't look the same. You know it could,
but sometimes.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
It doesn't, you know, And so that's kind of the situation,
you know, the space that where Dallas sits or you
could say, you know what, we were right there, only
played together five months, give it another year together and
like this team can really do it. I don't know,
I think you know, I've you know, I've become very
(25:32):
friendly with Mark Cuban.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I actually fucking love Mark.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
He's a great person and we talked about it on
the podcast. But Mark really pissed me off when he
tests me, when he when he said out in no
business and told me I need to go to Kelly
Business School.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
However, getting like speaking.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
With him, and you know it came on the pod
and I actually like Mark a lot and Nico, Uh, Nico,
I think you know, I know though I know Nico
and Mark like those guys go after it like and
so they're never going to be satisfied with making it
to the NBA finals. Like Marcus, Mark Cuban has become
(26:12):
who he's become because he just presses, presses pressed.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
It's like that's who he is.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I have no doubt that he's not about to double
down like whatever he feels needs to be that next
move him and Nico, he'll make it.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And so a lot of Paul George rumers already.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Paul George rumors. I'm sure other rumors will start popping up.
I has saw Clay rumors like you know, you start
to see different rumors for sure. But one thing we
know for certain, though Jackson is Mark Cuban is not
one that's afraid to swing.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
He will take this one. I mean, he swung Kyrie Irvan.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You know, Nico loud, Nico to trust his instinct, trust
what he know, and they Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It was huge for the Dallas matters.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
They're not in the NBA Finals and Kyrie isn't there,
you know, so we know they'll swing. So you know,
it makes for an interesting time, makes for a good
rematch on Christmas Day because I think our Christmas Day
game would definitely be a rematch with Luca and j
T and JB and Kyrie, and I think you know.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
In Boston, uh, you know so so we can see that.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
But yeah, nonetheless, that's kind of my take or how
where I sit on the thoughts of both teams after
the championship. You know, I asked you all the questions,
can they do it again? Quite frankly, I don't think
they can do it again next year. So I think
the Dove's gonna do it again next year. So that's
kind of where I stand on that. There's been a
lot of stuff going on in the NBA since that though.
(27:49):
Number one, I saw something that come across my screen
that said, Pascal Siakam got one hundred and ninety million
dollars eighty nine and a half or whatever it is,
one eight nine and a half.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Congratulations to a guy.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I remember playing Pascal his rookie year and he was
just kind of long or first or second year long,
and like springy, you know, but he wasn't that good.
And then like the next year he just got way better,
and then the following year got way better.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
And he just continued to get better.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So to see guys put that work in on where
they started at, I always loved that. Didn't come in
everybody thinking he's going to be what he's been and
yet getting another MAX contract. So congratulations to Pascal, well deserved,
my brother. More news in the NBA, Mini Williams got
fired by the Detroit Pistons after one season. Congratulations to
(28:44):
Minnie Williams on getting fired by the Detroit Pistons after
season one.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
He get to go home and be with his family
and pulling sixty.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
But yeah, I think he got five years sixty five left,
so he had to pull in sixty five million dollars
over the next five years while not coaching the Detroit Pistons.
How crazy is that to hire somebody for an all
time contract in NBA history and fired him the next year.
(29:22):
You didn't even get a guy a chance to like
actually build what what you thought he could build when
you hired him for six years. You signed him to
six years. You signed someone in six years. You can't
possibly think year one. That's like, oh, it's everything shaded,
Like you need time to instill culture.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Culture isn't built overnight. And so I would love to
say I was shocked.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I was the least bit shocked, actually, because you know,
I grew up in the state of Michigan, and you
know Joe Dumars isn't with the Pistons anymore, and so
it's just been interesting ever since. So as shocked as
I am, not shocked at all. But congratulations to Minnie Williams.
(30:19):
Sixty five million coming your way to sit at the
crib and not have to coach, I mean, not coach
the Detroit Pissons. Minnie Williams is now on the free
agent market, and I know that the Los Angeles Lakers
have been.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Like I don't know what's going on?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But I know something's gonna happen fast, because you got
the draft coming up, you got free agency coming up.
Like it's been quite a while, and like I don't
know what exactly is going on, but like something's going on.
And I know Anthony Davis loved Money Williams when he
played for him at New Orleans. So you ask yourself
(30:55):
and should So you ask yourself, should the Lakers consider
Minnie Williams? And I said, of course, you gotta consider him,
especially with that tie, you definitely gotta consider him. Nonetheless,
congratulations to Minnie Williams. Also in NBA news, Sir Charles
(31:18):
the Great Charles Barkley says he's retiring from broadcasting that
next season. Absolutely love Charles Barkley. You all know where
our journey started. Our journey did not start in a
great place. Chuck used to sit on TV and say
he's gonna punch me in my face. He called me
mister tripple single. He's had his fresh share of jabs
(31:42):
and I've had my fresh air at jabs as well.
And nonetheless, I absolutely loved that brother. And he is incredible.
He is amazing. And if he retires, what a sad
day from NBA basketball. Like, I mean, we've all got
a custom grown a customer hearing that voice from the
last twenty seven years talk NBA basketball, So what a
(32:03):
sad day for NBA basketball. Whenever Chuck decides to retire, However,
I just think Chuck's being very emotional.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I don't think Chuck's about to retire.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I think Chuck's just in a very emotional state right now,
and he's processing those emotions. And you know, one day
you may wake up and be like, you know what,
I'm done with this stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I'm out of here. While you're processing those.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Emotions, and then you go a couple of days, maybe
a couple of weeks, maybe even a couple of months,
because this decision doesn't have to be made today, tomorrow
or the next day, and then you probably come to
your sistance and be like, I'm not retiring. What was
I thinking about? But you never really come back and
tell people I don't know what the hell I was thinking.
You kind of just go along with and then you
move on to the next thing. And that is what
(32:53):
I expect from Chuck. I expect Chuck to never come
back and tell us I was tripping. I'm not retiring.
I'm moving on to the next thing. But we will
all watch him gracefully move on to the next thing,
by the way, whether that is another year at Turnham
because Turner kept the rights, or you know, we don't
know what's going to happen with that thing. So I'm
not gonna even sit here and speak hypotheticals. The point
(33:14):
I'm making is I think Chuck was just in his feelings,
and as great as he is at times, we all
can get a little bit of our feelings and get
those starts twisted and not quite processed them in the
way we thought that we would process them. And that
is quite frankly, what I think Chuck is going through
right now. I don't think Chuck is retiring. I hope
(33:38):
Chuck don't retire. Chuck is absolutely incredible. We all love Chuck,
even the ones that tend to hate or think they
hate him.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
You go listen because we all love to hear what
he has to say.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
And even when he would say that team is a
jump shooting team and they never gonna win a championship.
Jump shooting teams don't win a championships, and all of
those things when Chuck used to say. We made Chuck
look like he didn't know what the hell he was
talking about. I still will watch and you still wanted
to hear what he had to say. So what a
sad day that would be. And I hope that that's
(34:11):
not the case. If that is the case, we will
do it properly. But it's been a job well done, sir.
It's been an absolutely incredible pleasure to turn on TNT
and here, Sir Chius make fun of people, talk great
about people, but more importantly, entertain us like we had
(34:31):
never been entertained during the basketball show in the history
of this game that we love, this league that we
love known.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
As the NBA.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
So yeah, I don't think Chuck's going anywhere, but if
he is, much love to Chuck, he's been absolutely incredible.
That's a rap from this episode of the Draymond Greenshaw.
I told you if you stayed until this point, I
will let you you know who we have tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
And quite frankly, we have a guy.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
That another guy that beat me in the NBA Finals,
which I'm not too happy about. This guy actually made
one of the calls in which we will talk about
on the episode so please check it out. But he
made a call defensively that was like adolescents played this defense.
(35:28):
No one in the NBA at the time plays this
defense like you play this defense in like seventh grade
when a kid is like really good, or maybe even
tenth grade, when a kid is really good and you
can't stop them, and you're like, we're going to this thing,
And like this guy, fucking Nick Nurse, who's our guest
on the next show, decides to go to this defense
(35:52):
in the NBA finals.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
And it actually crushed us. It worked.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
A defense that you use in childhood games worked, and
he made that call. He had it in him to
make that call, and in turn, he became a first
time NBA champion. We got Nick Nurse on the show.
Make sure you all tuned in. That will come out tomorrow.
Please don't miss it. It was a great interview. I enjoyed it.
I hope you all enjoyed it as much as I did.
(36:19):
But until then, well excuse me until next time. That's
a rap from this episode of the Draymond Green show.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
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