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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mm hmm. Justin Thomas wants more positive stories, he should
just pay attention to the fire pit channels, because what
we're all about, it's telling these these feel good tales.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
That got dots in my head.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Can't get them, joh and not the thing what I'm
thinking about.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I can't get.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Them, John, not the thing well I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Hello, this is Alan Chipnak back for another Fire Drill
podcast here at the FPC. We're coming off a great
success at the Wishbone Brawl. Presumably you guys have seen
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of our year and just just one of the real
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So we appreciate all of you. So let's get to
this podcast. Matt Janella is here. We thought it would
be fun to kind of catch up on what we're
working on. We've got this in the Dirt series as
we're calling it. Hopefully you guys have seen some of
the content we blasted out on Golden Gate Park and
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Pasa Tiempo, and we have some great intel on Shorties,
the new Part three band and that we're going to
be putting out shortly as it were. And so just
to some fun, exciting projects that we'll get into in
a little more detail here. And so, without further ado, Matt,
what is going on in your world?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
On Sunday morning, after saying goodbye to laired Shepherd by
the way, the British am Champ was in town and
staying at our house, got to play Friday skins and
Saturday around at goat Hill Park with with the British
Am champ over the over the sort of the end
of last week and and he's on his way to
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Palm Springs playing in the Asian Tour Q School in
Palm Springs. So great to reconnect with Laird. If you've
watched some of what we did from the grind, you
know his story in which he was he was eight
down with nineteen to play in the British Amperagere Championship
at nare A couple of years ago and came back
to beat Monti Scousel in a three hole playoff, eight down,
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nineteen to play, four down with four to play and
wins on the third playoff. Full so really cool that
he was here and he was teaching bandon how to
play soccer in our backyard and showing him some stuff
on the golf course. So it was really sweet. And
then Sunday morning I darted up to San Jose, went
out and met Justin Mandon, the superintendent there, and got
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eyes on ultimately what's really a finished product At Pas Tiempo.
They will reopen to the public on December fourth. The
Front nine the back nine has been open. You can
play it, you know, once or twice if you so desire.
But the front nine will reopen to the public December fourth.
That'll stay open all the way through April, so you
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can play all eighteen holes with the new front nine
greens and the back nine as it is until Western Intercollegiate,
which is at the week after the Masters. So and
then they'll shut the back nine down and do the
same exact process that they did on the front line,
which is, you know, really go down and find the
original you know, the greens and the intent of doctor
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Alistair McKenzie and Marion Hollins as it relates to those
putting surfaces and Jim Orbina just amandon erth Sculptures. Uh,
you know, a big sort of team has been a
part of that project. And I'm I honestly had a
beautiful morning out there. We had our Roger Our drone shooter,
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a Drone Ninja out there and recreating some of the
same angles he's been doing throughout this entire process, and
the before and afters are going to be spectacular. The
putting surfaces at Pas Tiempo on that front nine went
from one maybe two pinnable locations to now in some
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cases like five, three, five eight, the part three's are
going to have you know, seven to eleven different pinnable locations.
They you know, they took the green side bunkers down
to their riginal intent. They've got you know, as as
we've documented, they've got photos and you know information. They
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went and were able to read the layers of the
sand once they really cut into it, to see that
original that original green and and the sort of the
breaks on that green to try to use as as
a base for the recreation and restoration.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
That's so cool. That's like archaeology. That's not that's not architecture.
That's that's a different discipline. Like they're they're reading the
straations of the earth there to figure out the subsoils
and the sand build ups. Like I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's it's actually the word honestly, And I think you know,
they had done so much soil sampling and understanding, you know,
in justin mand and that superintendent they you know, Pasa
Tempo has the perfect guy. Grew up in the area,
lives in the area, you know obviously, and and uh
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and he is so well versed on that golf Course,
Scott Hoyt former general manager Steve Vargo now the current
general manager, that board of directors, that membership. I was
there that day in April when they kind of shut
everything down. They had a barbecue, They had two hundred
plus members out there. The amount of information and education
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that went in to getting that project, excuse me, that
project lit and getting that to go and where it
is now as as we here are here in November,
this is going to go down in history as one
of the smartest and most effective, you know, restorations of
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very meaningful putting services that you know that are accessible
you know, to the public. It is a members club,
it is semi private. It's a very different business model
than we see in most American clubs in terms of
the prestige of what we're talking about. Usually these these
of course like this would be behind gates and we
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would you'd only get access to it if you were
willing to pay one hundred thousand up front or two
hundred or five hundred whatever that exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I mean. This is like the UK model, like even
your field, you know, which is the Augusta National of Scotland,
super Stuffy Uptight Joint they still let outsiders play, you know,
Tuesday and Thursdays. And I've had this argument with so
many people, like these great private courses. To me, it's
a travesty that three hundred guys get to play them
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and a select few other guests, Like I mean, like
Cyper's point to me is like Yosemite, you know, it
should be a national park and let the members have
it maybe five days a week that everyone else coming
and play. And the other two like this is this
is a part of the California coastline. No one owns California,
no one owns the Pacific Ocean. Like these things bother
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me and you and I have always loved Pasa Tempa.
We've talked about it glowingly. I think it's it's still
an underrated course. It's not always on people's radar screen,
but it is open to the public. They set aside
chunks of times every single day. And it's because this
public private model it's not that expensive relatively speaking. I
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was like, what, it's a third of TPC sawgrass, you know,
it's half of pebble, you know what, it's it's half
of you. Some of these these these courses out in
the desert and it I mean Tita Green, it's phenomenal,
and the undulations and the land and some of the
some of the carries, and then these these Alter Mackenzie
greens are just wild and it's crazy and awesome. And
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the good doctor, you know a lot of people know,
lived and basically died at Pasa Tiempo. That's how much
he loved it and cared for it. And so it
should be the top of every golfer's list as a pilgrimage.
And just wait, you know, maybe at this point you
could wait another year when it's done done and it
is going to be so spectacular because they didn't really
touch anything Tita Green, although they they're tweaking some bunkers
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along the way and the fairways. But the greens had
gotten so extreme from the sand build up, and I
don't think average golfers recognized, like every time you splashed
out of a bunker that like starts to raise the
contours or the greens times one hundred and fifty players
a day, times you know, almost one hundred years. And
so the greens had just evolved to the point they
were too extreme. So now you're gonna be able to
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see the contours as they were designed, and it's going
to be tremendous.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It was almost it had gotten to a point where
they weren't even able to like mow the greens, let
alone put pins on them. And it wasn't It's not
just that sand splash that you're talking about. It's top dressing.
It's natural runoff on the you know, on that on
those hillsides and how that settles, and then you know,
and then it's the agronomy underneath it, with drainage and
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sprinkler systems and you know, and just the general health
of the grass itself. So you know, if you talk
to some people involved and you find out that, you know,
they were really you know, Justin was very good at
what he does, obviously, and he would get the greens
very good, but there was only a limited number of
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seasons in which he was going to be able to
do what he was doing without you know, without having
to try to, you know, sort of push forward with
the project like this. And and they they what they've
ultimately decided to do is go back to some of
that that original intent and and and reveal some of
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the original pinlotions but also some of the views and
looks you see of some of the bunkers behind or
to the right or left of some of these holes
that you could see in images but had been disappeared
over these decades of time. And in Jim Orbina, you
have a guy who spent a lot of time out
of pass Tempo. He knows Mackenzie. He worked with Doak
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on the sort of the restoration in which they you know,
go back fifteen years ago. They didn't touch any of
the of the greens at that time. And so you
got this real thoughtful, well informed architect and you have
Justin Mannon, and then you have earth Sculptures, and you
have this membership. It is what we've documented and you know,
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the dirt that we were able to get into, so
to speak, and see this process and the greens that
we've played so many times that have befuddled us. And
it's not to say they've made they've made it. You know,
people were like, oh, they're going to make it too easy.
Those greens are what make Pasa Tempo. First of all,
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there's no way Passe Tempo is a bunch of half pars,
and most of them are on the high side half
you know, they're they're like they're you know, number one
is a part four and a half. Number two is
like a part four and a half. Number three is
a par three and a half. You know, like you
just keep going and you're like, oh, this is just
a bunch of you know, half pars that are that
are working. Were you against it? But it's also part
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of why it makes it so fun? But what's this?
What what they've done now is going to afford justin
to run those greens like he wants to at a
ten eleven or even you know, upwards of eleven and
a half twelve Western Intercollegiate or something like that, and
have pin locations that are still fair. Because when those
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when those greens were running eleven and you know, when
when the cameras were on in the Western Intercollegiate was
being played and you saw the ball never stop rolling,
it was like, oh, this is unfair, you've lost it.
This is no right, makes any sense. But that's not
going to be the case anymore. There's real, like legitimate
shelfing and pin locations. They're going to be tough to
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get to, but they're gonna be fair.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Do you remember we were playing there on the third
hole that incredible part. Three up the hill, hit a
career hybrid like to four feet, but it was past
the flag and it was straight down, and it's like,
I'm either going to make a two here or I'm
gonna make a four, And sure enough I nudged the ball.
It ran like ten feet by I missed the comeback.
It was so deflating, like I did one of the
top ten shots of my entire life and I left
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with a bogie. I think I had to rattle in
like a three footer for my three putt. It was Yeah,
you could just get in some spots where you were
absolutely dead, So it's gonna be exciting.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And as much as I didn't want to see you miss,
that definitely had to make you put it, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I seemed to Yeah, No, yeah, it wasn't It wasn't
a half. It was like.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
But but same that could be said on eight You
know five, if you're above the holes there. Eighteen obviously
was a mess. They had totally lost any you know,
legitimate pinnable locations on eighteen. So this is this is
you know, I'm very Look, we're we're in this, We're
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in bed with Pasa tempo and telling the story. So
but and and obviously that's that's pretty pretty well known.
But I'm telling you, regardless of that, I think there's
gonna be a lot of you know, opinionated people that
are going to take to Pasa Tempo. I don't think
there's anybody who's gonna walk away and go what's been
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done here is is phenomenal. And there's a great big
congratulations to everybody involved. And they can't wait to get
started on the back nine. They very smartly did the
nine first, although there are these iconic holes in these
greens and those three part threes that we've already mentioned,
plus number nine two really needed a lot of work.
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I mean, the back nine you've got you know, ten, eleven, twelve,
I mean sixteen, eighteen, those are those those should be
hanging in the louver like that's that's legitimate artwork out there.
So for them to get a real grasp on the process,
get a system in place, learn what they needed to
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learn on the front nine, and now take all that
knowledge into the back nine. This is you know, come
this time next year, they're going to reopen all eighteen
with all new greens and it's gonna it's going to be.
It's going to be something to behold in, something to
see and feel and play.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I mean, yeah, we do have a business relationship with
Pasa Tempo now, but we've been touting that place for
thirty years, so I don't I don't think we're in
the pocket Apostle. We've always loved it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I know, and the fact that it's so underrated on
these rankings just pisses me off. It's like, do people
even understand what they're looking at when they stand on
some of those te boxes and look out to those
green those bunker complexes and the green complexes, and you know,
as someone was just saying in one of the social
comments that Doake said, how do you make such a
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short course play so long? Well, you know it's because
of the undulation, That's how That's how you got to
It's a hike to get around there.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
For sure. For sure. Well, so you know we talked
about the dirt. We've kind of got this. We're calling
in the dirt. It's it's it's going to be the
umbrella for all these projects are working on the fire
pit course, restorations, new builds, anything related to bringing golf
courses to life, which we've already been doing over the
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last two and a half years, but it feels like
it's accelerating. And one project that we're both you and
I are super excited about as we put a few
things out on social so you can detect the the
energy and the whole golfing world is Golden Gate Park
Golf Course. This little part three, a lot of people
never knew it was there. It's the very western edge
of Golden Gate Park. I mean, you're about one good drive.
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It's probably three hundred yards to the beach, and it's
right in the shadow of those famous like Sutral windmills
that are out there, and just an incredible spot in
one of America's greatest you know, urban oases. And this
you know, you and I have both been there in
the last few weeks and to see you know, we've
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been we've been in the dirt since you know, I
guess eight months ago, and to see it come into
life now the grass has grown in the sand, scrapes
are are visible, the greens, you can see the you
can see undulations. After your last visit to the completed
Golden Gate Park Part three, what you're feeling about that
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place again.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I'm I'm just really happy for everybody involved, and you know,
Josh Lewis, j Blasi, Dan Burke, I met some locals
on this last trip. After Pasa Tempo, I darted over
to Golden Gate Park and and you know, sort of
it's it's not as far along in terms of the
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health and strength of the grass, but it's pretty close.
You know, one's bent and bent bent grass greens, and
the other at at Golden Gate Park is using fescue
and fescue you know, needs a little you know, a
little more time to sort of get in and get
get get some strength. But I think long term it
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was the right move for the way they want that
golf course to play firm and fast and have the
ball move around after it's on the ground. Jay BLASEI
obviously a big part of the Chambers Bay project with
Robert Trent Jones Junior. And you know, this was a
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cool project all along, you know, and we talk about
it in our docuseries. That's going to be you know,
starting to drop. Content started to drop next week. But
you know, in the legacy of Sandy Tatum and what
happened at Harding Park, and Dan Burke knowing Sandy Tatum
and working and being a big part of the San
Francisco golf community and what it meant to him now
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the CEO of San Francisco first t for him to
get some private donors two point seven million to get
Jay Blasey again lives locally, and Josh Lewis, who's got
a history going back to agronomy at Bandon Dunes and
other prominent projects. This team, you know, walking around with
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them and some of the locals and what's about to
you know, sort of be presented to the public affordable, accessible,
everything that you'd want from from a nine hole golf
course in Golden Gate Park and a hub of a
first tea program that needs a place to play. It's
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just it's just going to get rave reviews. It's going
to be a national curiosity. It's going to be a
blueprint for what's possible. You know, We've said it many times.
We're going to continue to say it, you know, for me,
you know, and you know John Ashworth at goat Hill
Park and and uh and Dan Burke at at Golden
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Gate Park, and and you know what, obviously, you know,
Mike Kaiser at bandon Dune's and sort of Tom Pashley
at at Pineer's putting in the cradle off the front
porch of Piner's resort. And uh, you know Steve Leary,
the mayor of Winter Park who decided to do what
he did, you know, Western Golf Association and Camper Sports
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and some of the people who are behind the Canal
Shores renovation and restoration of that property which will be
home to uh to uh you know, you know Junior
Caddy program and these to me Alan, you know are
leaders in golf.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
This to me is you know, I'm super frustrated with
professional golf PGA Tour live, the dysfunction, the greed, the bullshittery.
As we say, I just I just find it, you know,
I just find to justin Thomas's point, actually, it's way
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more interesting and exciting to stay focused on some of
these types of stories that you know, this Golden Gate
Park is going to be a rock and a pond,
and the ripple effect that it's going to have on
this community as it relates to golf and kids and
accessibility and affordability is is going to go on again
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now for decades and it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
It's just a feel good project for everyone involved because
the you know, the locals. And I was out there
on closing day for the old Golden Gate Park and
interviewed this Japanese guy who's ninety one years old. He
taught his daughters and his grandkids to play there, and
he plays there all the time, so much he has
his own private parking plays and you know, this is
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this is fundamental to his daily existence, this little course.
And then all these first tea kids from very diverse backgrounds,
you know, that's been it's been their portal into the game.
And then you have you know, retirees who they're in
the fifties and sixties and that's just where they like
to play because that's the community they I mean, the
fact that they get this beautiful new course at no
cost to them, the city gets, you know, an asset
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massively upgraded at no cost to them. It's going to
generate more revenue. It's just a win win win for everyone.
And you know, I think people in golf have been
waiting for this leadership to come from the top down,
like let the USGA and the PG of America guide
us through how the game should evolve, but it's really
coming from the ground up. Like all these people you
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name check, like they they are in the dirt. They're
the ones who are actually doing the work with the
golf courses, with the customers, and it's just a more
effective model. It's great if if the usg will come
in and sprinkle ten million dollars on the Maggie Hathaway
and you know this, this this little part three in
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central Los Angeles, Like that's helpful, and no one's gonna
that's gonna be a cool project that everyone's gonna enjoy,
but it's not really replicable. But when you what is
is if every community bands together and says, you know what,
we have potential here. We've got this old tired golf
course that needs to be redone, and you know that
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you can do You can do it like Ashworth, like
he's just out there in the tractory day more or
less doing it himself with the community volunteers. You can
fundraise privately like they did it go olden Gate Park.
But there's a way for every community to get itself
an amazing public asset. And it's not going to come
from the Fred Ridley's of the world. The seth wahs,
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you know, they're they're kind of in their ivory towers.
I mean, it's really incumbent on each golf community. Like
it it takes some leadership and some passion, and of
course takes some money, but it's this movement that I feel.
It feels like it's happening around the US where people
aren't waiting anymore for the USGA to come in and
solve their problem, like they're they're taking the initiative. And
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we're lucky now as golfers to have all these cool
courses to look forward to. And I can't wait to
go up and play Golden Gate. It's gonna be a
regular thing for me. And you know, the like Peter
Hay it's on seven acres and the Cradles on ten acres,
and Golden Gate is on like twenty two acres. I mean,
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it really feels expansive. And there's some there's some long holes,
you know, and you know, if you're a good golfer,
you don't need to any woods, but you might watch
a five iron. You know, there's a couple there's like
a couple of hundred and eighty yard holes and you know,
it's like real golf. It's not just a bunch of
little half wedges and super interesting greens. You have ocean
views up there at the top of the property. It's
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really all you want. And I'm as excited about Golden
Gate in its own way as I am out Passe Tempo.
There are different experiences, but both are going to be just,
you know, fun factories. And it's just cool that the
local golf communities have made these things happen on their
own but all of us get to enjoy them.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Think too, you know, going on the list of people
who are having impact. But Adam Hike, the CEO of
Youth on Course, I was just at a Youth on
Course board meeting. I've served on honor to be part
of that board for the last three years, and I
tweeted out recently that they in twenty nineteen they had
one thousand and forty five courses signed up to participate
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in a program in which, you know, all the course
has to say is, yeah, we're a part of this
program Youth on Course, and kids play for five dollars
or less, and then Youth on Course subsidizes the difference
between whatever they charge those kids and whatever they would
normally charge a junior green fee, so youth on courses
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subsidizing kids to make sure that they have access to
these courses, you know, for five dollars or less. They've
doubled the number of courses in the last four years
and went from one thousand, forty five to two thousand
and thirty five. They've gone from seventy thousand members of
kids in twenty nineteen to one hundred and eighty nine
thousand members in twenty twenty three. They went from subsidizing
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two hundred and four thousand rounds in twenty nineteen this
year they are up to seven hundred thousand subsidized rounds
of golf for kids playing for five dollars or less.
So you talk about like leadership, you know, and the
USGA has sniffed around on trying to be a part
of youthon course, but they wanted to kind of own
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that concept and idea other big you know, uh sort
of you know, brands within the game have talked about, like,
you know, partnering with but but in the end it's
just been youthon courses.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Adam Hike started as an intern and he's now the CEO,
and look, you know the kind of impact that that
program is having. That's you know, it's it's one thing
to like throw up a bunch of commercials and use
hashtag grow the game. That's growing the game. Golden Gate
Park is growing the game. You know, Goldhill Park is
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growing the game. You know, Canal Shores will grow the game.
Western Golf Association is helping kids not not only become
like golfers or caddies, but become great members of society.
And you know, I just think this is I get inspire,
like you know, every time to your point, going to
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Golden Gate Park and walking around and listening and watching
and learning, I just I it makes me feel and
sharpens my focus on some of the good stuff happening
in this game around some of these courses, these municipalities,
the successibility and affordability and sustainability to your point being
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ten acres, seven acres. I think of Davis Saysna who
started threes and other Part three coers. I mean, and
we're going to get to the news out of Abandon
Dunes at Shorties, which is another Part three course. But
this to me is it makes so much sense. And
ass I said, and I think the previous podcast after
the Colorado Basin water Summit, in which one person asked
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the crowd, if we were to start building golf now,
what would it look like if we erase the slate
and started over, what would it look like? It would
look like Golden Gate Park and Goat Hill Park and
Canal Shore. It would be small, fun, accessible, sustainable, affordable, playable,
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you know, on on smaller piece pieces of land. And
that's that's what I think deserves a lot of our time, energy,
attention and storytelling.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, for sure. Well, yeah, let's talk about shorties just
because there's something there's some there's some excitement around that
anything banned and related. And obviously we talk about golf
this century and part of why it's it's evolved in
such a positive way. Clearly Bannon is a huge force
in that, and it's almost a victim of its own
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success because it's so crowd it's hard to get tea time.
They're building courses as fast as they can, and so
shorties will take some pressure off the preserve. It's going
to be another part of the recourse, and I think
maybe they want to make it visually a little different
than Preserve but whatever it's going to be, we know
it's gonna be fun. It's an awesome piece of ground there,
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kind of those who have been to Bandon Trails when
you're playing the first hole and you're in those dunes
and the second really, I mean it's really kind of
just over the between those dunes and the coast, right
that's where Shorties is going to be pretty wild and wooly.
And what do you know about what's happening up as
Shorty's Matt.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, I mean just that it's kind of coming online.
I've talked to Rod Whitman and Dave Axlin, along with
Keith Cutton. That is the team that ultimately got the job.
At one point, you know it was going to be
Tom Doak. I've heard a couple of different stories as
to how and why he isn't doing it, and they are.
(30:40):
I'll just save those for another time because at this
point I don't have them confirmed. But Dave Axelin, Rod Whitman,
and Keith Cutton, you know, and they were all part
of the Cabot team, so Cabot Links and Rod and
Dave worked on Cabot Cliffs. They are longtime Core and
(31:04):
Crenshaw associates. Dave Axlan worked on Bandon Trails, he didn't
work on Bandon Preserves, So as I told him, I'm
a big fan of your work for what you did
at Trails. Rod had never actually worked on Bandon Dunes.
He'd been out there, but he had never had been
a part of any of the Corn Crenshaw products. But
can you imagine these guys having just sort of formed
(31:28):
this new partnership fairly recently, not unlike what Keith reb
and Riley Johns have done. They continue to work for
Bill and Ben, but they also take projects on the
side and work for themselves. Nineteen hole par three course,
the shortest being somewhere around fifty sixty yards puddable, the
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longest being one hundred and fifty to one hundred and
sixty yards. There'll be a lot of variety, not unlike
at preserve. You can kind of choose your own tea locations.
Wild and wooly would be a good way of describing
that land. Dave Axelon said, the land itself and that
Dun's land. He called it a nine out of ten.
(32:12):
And then the challenge being how do you make a
golf course that lives up to that level of land.
You know, He's like, you know, it's actually sometimes you know,
the pressure is on when you're A you're abandon B.
You're in this portfolio of these great architects and architecture,
you know, Mike Kaiser's you know, legacy a big portion
(32:36):
of it, and and your has to put in, you know,
putting a nineteen whole part three course. So you know,
Dave Axent was like, and they're so humble, these guys,
you know, shocking guys that work with Corn Crench aw
are super humble. But like to talk to Rod Whitman,
who you know Sam Houston you know in college from
(32:59):
Canada and Uh used to go out to pizza with
Bill cor Bill Corr was a superintendent at the golf
course that Sam Houston played at. Rod Whitman would show
up with holes in the bottom of his shoes, not
enough money to even buy the pizza they were eating, UH,
and they would talk about how they both wanted to
sort of get into architecture. It's one of the great stories.
(33:20):
I told it in a podcast. They actually tell it
in a podcast that we did on the Building a
bit Bill and Ben the partnership and the and the
and the and the company, and so to talk to
Rod and Dave and to listen to their humility and
the sort of their their honor and in the opportunity
(33:43):
that they had to do what they did at Bandon
Uh is just a very sweet and refreshing reality. And
I'm very happy again for them for this kind of
opportunity that they've had to do this. They there's no
real set, definitive date for the opening of Shorties. They
(34:04):
are taking reservations for sort of July on in twenty
twenty four. There may or may not be an opportunity
to open that sooner. That'll depend on the growing and
the weather and all that kind of stuff. So they
didn't really get a chance to have preview play this year.
I'm not sure how they'll handle preview play at the
(34:25):
start of you know, or the late spring into the
summer of next year. But it is, as you say,
kind of that west of number two and three of trails.
For the last few years you've been off the second
tea of Trails, you've been able to see like a
little pin flag out there. That was the only indication
that that was what was coming. A lot of the
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people who've been out there say that these are some
of the best views of any course on property. So
think about that for a segment.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I feel like on that first hole, I've pumped a
few of my drives out into the shorties property. Unfortunately,
why is that the whole's always got that fierce win.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
It's yeah, it kept.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, I think it's one of the hardest opening drives
in golf. But that's just me. I'm a month away,
actually less from flying down to Melbourne for for Ogilvie's tournament,
the Sam Belt Classic, which is another of the really
cool events and the sport that brings together a really
diverse group of people and it's all for a great cause.
So yeah that as you said earlier, I mean JEF
(35:34):
Justin Thomas wants more positive stories. He should just pay
attention to the fire pit channels, because what we're all about,
it's telling these these feel good tales. Shout out JT.
Love that guy. So I think this time that the
time has come to release the listeners. We appreciate you
guys sticking around and falling on with this little podcast.
(35:55):
It's always tough to talk about and we'll keep filling
up your your inbox and your your whole. That sounds inappropriate,
but for Matt Janella this is Alan Schipnak. That was
another fire drill. Thanks for listening. And this is the end.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I'm bed big and I played the wind, made a fortune.
When my ship came in, I ran the table. Never
thought I could fall down in the winter time. Hit
me like a cannon in the ball and now I
can't shape this, losing the streak. Every road I take
(36:37):
is a dead end street. I got thoughts in my head,
can't get them out, trying not to think what I'm
thinking about. I've got the thoughts in my head.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I can't get them.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Out, trying not to think what I'm thinking about.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
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