April 6, 2024 • 38 mins
Wait, there's more?! In Part 9 of the Fire Pit series on L.A.B. Golf, Matt Ginella gets final reflections from all protagonists on Lucas Glover's accomplishments, the putter, the technology and the business. Lots more on Brett Rumford's "let go of control to take control" and how it relates to overcoming the fears in golf and life. Plus, Kelly Slater on his win at Pipeline, 100-foot waves in Ireland and Jason Kuhn, the former Navy Seal sniper on: "Train like you fight."
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yeah, dude, it's it's everything you would think it's you know,
to one one of the one of the weird kind
of transitions that we have to make emotionally is that
like we're not underdogs anymore, you know, but for the
last two weeks we still were. And yeah, dude, it
(00:25):
was like fucking hoosiers. You know. It was just absolutely incredible.
It was just, uh, it was one of the it's
a once in a lifetime experience, and in fact, most
people don't even get it once in a lifetime. And
then yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Know, I was.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
There was a lot of tears and a lot of excitement,
and and then Monday morning here at the factory, you know,
we had all hands meeting. We got fifty seven of
us now at work here and all of us, you know,
got together and just just a release, just a full on,
(01:03):
fucking just release of tension and emotion and like it's
not just me man, like my my employees. Every single
person in this building is like legitimately passionate about what
they do, Like real deal fucking passionate, and they live
and die by every the same way I do. It
(01:23):
was incredible, you know, it was an incredible morning. We
all get together about nine thirty in the morning, which
was you know, they had actually that morning gotten in
there at four am because our fucking ac is broken.
Its one hundred degrees here, and uh so they got
in early to you know, to work while it was
still cooler, and and it was incredible. You know, we
(01:45):
had this wonderful meeting and lots of hugging and high
five and and screaming and hooting and hollering, and then
we had to get back to work and the work work.
Pert's pretty fucking hard.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Lave all the fire. Nobody here is getting time. Welcome
to the fire pit with Matt Chanella.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
There you have it. The end, as Sam Han articulated
in that hook Lab, Golf is back to work, and
in addition to Adam Scott, guys like Will's Alatorus been on, Camilla,
Vijaygis and Grayson Murray are all using their putters now. Meanwhile,
Lucas Glover is number thirty five in what's left of
the so called official world golf rankings. As we approach
(02:37):
the Masters of twenty twenty four, Glover has slipped back
to one hundred and sixty third in strokes gained putting
one hundred and fifteenth in putting average and one hundred
and twenty ninth in putts per round. But he's not yipping,
and no one can ever take away career wins number
five and six. As I said in the first episode,
I had no idea that the first call to Han
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in August of twenty twenty three would lead to an
eight part now nine parts series on a putter company.
But if you've been following along, it's a story that
is so much more than just about a putter. For me,
this was Sam Hans's story and Bill Pressey's story. It's
a Bob Duncan, Matt Holme, Stuart Smith, Tim Wilkinson, Liam Bedford,
(03:23):
Von Taylor, Jeff Slowman, Kelly Slater, Adam Scott, Brett Rumford,
Mac Barnhart, Michael Simms, Jason Kuhn, and of course Lucas
Glover story. As with all of my podcasts, at the end,
I like to get reflections from the protagonist, share some
of the best comments and quotes that didn't make the
main narrative, which is what I'm going to do in
this episode. But before we get to more thoughts on
(03:45):
Glover the Putter, the idea of letting go of control
to gain control one hundred foot waves in Ireland and
final comments from a Navy seal. Another thank you to
Dormy Workshop for sponsoring this podcast. We have a lot
more coming in our partnership with the Canadian based company
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(04:09):
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your next purchase of a headcover, putter, cover, duffel bag
and more on Lucas Glover's accomplishments of twenty twenty three.
Here's a final reflection from Jeff Slowman. For a guy
(04:31):
like that who's been grinding so hard or hits it
so good, and to keep your card for that long
and put that bad, that's a small miracle in itself.
I think everybody felt good for him.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
As a professional golfer, and especially people that know Lucas.
We didn't feel good about it. We felt great for him,
you know. And if you've ever had some trials and
tribulations with the putter, which almost to a man, every
professional golfers gone through, whether it's for a week, a month,
a year, or decades. You know, that's this feeling of
(05:09):
hope you can come back and put like a kid,
you know, because I don't think kids ever ten years old,
fifteen twenty, you know, eight year olds, they're just they
don't care about the consequences of a miss because they're.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Going to make the next one right.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
And I think every psychologist would tell you put like
a kid with no cares in the world and nothing
about the miss. It's going to bother you. So yeah,
I mean it brought hope to every professional golfer, and
I thought that was great.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Here's von Taylor.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
When you see a guy like Lucas Glover and you
know what he's gone through and then to go back
to back wins like that out of like virtually nowhere.
What what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 8 (06:03):
I mean, that's kind of like what I was hoping
to happen to Reno, that it was going to like
blow up into this thing. And that's kind of like
that that dream we have, and that's why you never
quit because you always hope something's going to click. And
and the putters, obviously, I mean, the most important club
in the bag I believe in and Lucas that's all,
(06:24):
you know.
Speaker 9 (06:24):
I look, his whole.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Game looks great.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
I mean, he looks like he's swinging well too, but
you know, he just needed something like that to click
for him. And you know, kudos for him to try
so many different things. And I didn't realize it was
so bad. I just I hadn't seen some of those
videos of him, and you know those are those are tough,
Like I've never seen anyone strike one out of the
(06:48):
heel that far on that short one at on eighteen.
I just was like, wow, I didn't know it was
that bad. But you know, the more I've read about it,
it sounds, you know, it was a lot of mental
stuff going on, but to also break down those barriers
with you know, a different style putter, and then to
(07:08):
be a playoff event. But it wasn't like it was
just back to back regular weeks. I mean that was
and he led the whole entire way and the cameras
are on him just for eight days straight or something.
I mean, it's just like and just to see him
continuously roll it well and just it's pretty cool to
see the transformation just all the way around. But mentally
(07:30):
that's got to be you know, I can't imagine what
he feels like inside. You know, it's just what you
dream of to break through and clear some hurls.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 10 (07:41):
And Lucas Glover, I don't know a ton about the
lab technology because I didn't want to because I tried
to use technology to beat it also, and so I've
kind of shied away from I mean, I just found
out what the lie was a couple or the loft
was a couple of weeks back. Uh, I just I
didn't want to know. I didn't want to know too much.
(08:03):
I didn't want to any of that to clog up
anything that was working. So I kind of ran away
from the tech stuff. But understanding that it works is
enough for me. And you know, obviously i'm pretty much
or pretty pretty good proof that it does.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Glover's friend and manager Mac Barnhardt.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
You can depend on Lucas being Lucas, and that's a
wonderful thing in this world, as you know, so good
or bad or ugly like it's uh, you can depend
on him and that's and that's what's made it fun.
But you know, I like, I say, he he deserves this.
He's a fighter, man, I mean he's and look we're
(08:50):
I don't like I say. People are like, what can
he do? I think he can win the Grand Slam.
He's never putted great. He can putt grat and he's
got a team around him. Now we know that works.
We know we got I mean, people go, you can't
say that he's this age. I might told me he
(09:10):
could have done what he did, and I know this gap.
I mean, like, he's not scared. I know he's been
in the gym almost every day since he's gotten home.
I thought to Kobe about his workouts. His workouts are
going good. He's yeah, he went to New York from
fashion Week. Let him have a week off. That's great,
you know, but he's back in the gym. I mean
he's back. I mean maybe not getting picked for the
(09:32):
Ryder Cup might add just a little more incentive. And
that's fine too. We'll take that right.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Back to Matt Home, one of the original salesmen of
the Directed Force design, on the business impact of clovers
back to backs, Sam said that from January to July
of twenty twenty three, they had sold about one hundred
and sixty Broom you know, Broom Labs. Right after Lucas
(10:02):
wins back to back they sold like two thousand, six
hundred in one month.
Speaker 11 (10:07):
Yeah, I could see that for sure. Yeah, it's it's
when it's validated. When it's validated by it, you know,
people people want to see it, they want to see
what they're using. And it's got a different story. It's
not like just different colors or weights. There's a complete
different set of principles being used. And that's pretty impressive
to be able to patent a mathematical formula. And Bill
(10:28):
got that done. But he has the patent for I've
seen it. And if anybody else makes a putter that
does what this putter does, they're in a hear from
Bill's lawyers, I'm sure, and in Sam's So it does.
It's an amazing it's an amazing It's going to be
in the golf House someday. I mean think some of
the original stuff it will be in the It'll be
that kind of a historic thing.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I wanted to revisit and share a few of the
perspectives on the idea of quote letting go of control
to gain control or take control, which again started with
Brett Rumford, the Australian short game guru. Here's Sam Hun.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know, like my tagline is like you know you've
in the past you have to keep a face square
and with us, all you have to do is let
a face stay square. And his whole thing is you
have to let go of control to gain control. That's
how he describes, you know, what the what the feeling is,
and a lot of the high level pros the feedback
we get is they describe this very kind of vague feeling,
(11:25):
you know, in along kind of similar to what we
talked about before about you know, just kind of how
the potter head disappears. That's a good thing. That's when
you know you're doing it right. When it kind of
feels vague and free, that's when you know the putter's
face is squared up to the plane that you're putting
it on. It's when you start feeling resistance. That's when
you know you're off.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Here's Brett Rumford.
Speaker 12 (11:45):
And for me, it's it's all about with the lad product,
it's all about for me, it's like giving up control
to take control and I think so many people, you know,
whether it's a personality or otherwise, try to, you know,
control the face, control of the stroke, and they get
so caught up in the stroke and the plane and everything.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Else, which is all good and well, you do your work, but.
Speaker 12 (12:04):
And you know, the holy grail is having it perfectly
art and have your face to path and all the
rest of it. But there's got to be a point
where you just got to go play, and you just
got to go. You just got to get just give
up all the controlling element and you just got to just.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Let it go.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Rumford was not only one of the hardest guys to
track down for this series, he was also well worth
the weight and one of my favorite voices in this story,
not only his walking analogy.
Speaker 12 (12:30):
Mastery comes down to mastering the movement and then everything
switches off, so everything deactivates. So when you walk, you've
mastered the art of walking. Yes, So if I were
to ask you, what do you activate in your legs
when you walk? Truthfully, just walk, anyone, just got it
out of your couch, whoever's listening to this right now,
and just walk and walk a little bit faster when
(12:50):
I say that, and walk a little bit faster again,
and tell me what's being activated. You couldn't tell me.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
You wouldn't know, But especially as it related to that
idea of letting go of can and as he put it,
to take control the essence of the lie angle and
balanced technology. And I loved the story. Rumford shared about
the experience he had when he had to make a
tricky putt to win a tournament with the lab putter.
As he described it his quote, light bulb moment.
Speaker 12 (13:17):
All I can remember was when I hit it, I
just went, my god, that was the best part I
think I've ever hit. But I think it was more
the sense of the feeling, my heightened sense of emotion
that really connected me to this stroking his part.
Speaker 13 (13:35):
But it was just amazing.
Speaker 12 (13:36):
In that situation where normally you might feel a little
bit of the tension or a little bit of the
grab or a little bit of that after the hit,
you feel like that little bit of the acceleration or
that I wouldn't use the word apprehension, but it's it
is what it is. It's just nerves and the rest.
But this thing just flowed and it just went off
in my hands, and I just looked up and I
(13:56):
just went, Wow, that's got to be the purest part
I think I've ever hit. Subsequently, subsequently it went in.
But irrespective of that, I just find, I mean that
that feeling and memory will last with me for a
long while, because I'd say to Sam, if I had
have had this technology, maybe when I first turn pro
who knows how many order one, maybe with the broomstick,
(14:18):
A part of very well with the broomstick. But yeah, look,
it's just it's quite amazing technology. It's pretty cool and
you just got to experience it, but you sort of
you have to give it some time too, because so
many people don't like the feeling of no control. They
don't like the feeling of like giving up, that feeling
of where the face is or the awareness of it.
(14:38):
And it's just I love the internal feeling where everything
just switches off through here rather than trying to feel
this tension. I just love the flow of it. And
you get into the flow after a while, but it
takes time.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
And then Bill Pressey on Rumford's summary of how to
utilize the technology.
Speaker 14 (14:55):
I think people let go of their fears. The hardest
thing that even though you like it's a fear. You
think it would be easy to let go of, right,
but fear in golf is the hardest thing by far.
This car tissue in and and the memories that that
that exist in lurking your subconscience somewhere during that backstroke,
(15:20):
they tend to open the door, and that is the
the fear there's You know what fear comes from, I'll
tell you it comes from missing, right, comes from missing
You know what you miss is torque and unless you
(15:41):
practice enough, or you've got this innate ability to know
this particular golf club just like a good driver or
like a good wedge that you have, you know it.
Speaker 13 (15:53):
You know what it's gonna do.
Speaker 15 (15:57):
But when you take away the torque, you could take
away the fear and start reprogramming. And then you know,
if you miss putts, it's a misread or or you
made a poor stroke, it wasn't the yips though the
yips is, there's no bigger fear.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I've had a lot of great conversations with Bill Pressey.
After our original interview, he has been listening to the
podcast as he rides his bike, much like a lot
of his close friends. I love that he's getting the
attention and credit that he and his revealer deserves. Stuart
Smith is one of those friends, first on letting go
of control to gain control, and then on Bill Pressey's
(16:37):
back nine of life.
Speaker 16 (16:39):
That's saying resonates pretty strong in golf anyway, but probably
even more so with this putter. When you put this
putter in their revealer and you see that that putter
isn't going to move when it when you swing it on,
it's playing it just it doesn't budget. It's amazing.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
What a story, you know, literally from rags to what
would be aimed Riches right, uh, from you know, from
out of his trunk of his car to now being
able to kind of you know, take a breath and
and think about what's next, and you know, think about
what's next in life and keep this positive, you know,
(17:16):
path to a back nine that looks like it's going
to be a lot more a lot more fun than
maybe the front nine of his life. Would you would
you would you agree with all that?
Speaker 16 (17:27):
I would concur Yeah, he's you know when you see
him now, I mean he's he's happy. You can tell
he's happy within himself, and I know he's finally overcome
a lot of some of the struggles that he's had,
But you know, the one thing that he's never lost
is the is the passion for learning, the passion for
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his self belief and his product. Maybe he's had to
overcome some self belief in himself, but certainly just the
self to be validated in the golf world like he
has now with with lyingle balance is a pretty amazing accomplishment,
and I think he's maybe finally recognizing the impact that
(18:11):
he has created through no one else, through everyone else's
disbelief early right, people are finally now starting to believe him.
You wonder why a face balance putter is so great?
I said, I still wonder myself. You know, we still
wonder why was face balanced such a big thing? Lyingle
balance is just it's the it's the next step.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Another guy I enjoyed getting to know was Liam Bedford,
the guy who built Glover's original lab putter.
Speaker 17 (18:41):
The physics of the putter is trying to stay square.
If you put the putter in motion and it's trying
to square it square itself. So if you the way
the only way that you can manipulate the putter is
with type grip pressure and your hands are the only
things that can move the putter, so you can either
open the face or close the face with your hands.
If you don't do that with your hands, the ball
will start on the starting line. So if you give
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up control by taking loose grip pressure and just allowing
the product to do what it's doing, the ball will
start on its starting line. And so if you can
find your speed with super light grip pressure and just
let the potter swing like, you will start it on
your starting line. And if you have a good speed,
you're giving yourself a better chance. The people that we
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have a hard time with the guys that typically death
grip it and then want to hit putts and like
guide putts in because they're managing talk. The reason they
have type grip pressure is because the potter wants to
twist in their face because of the way the weight is
in the potu. So they for a guy with a blade,
the blade's trying to do this on the way on
the way back, and then this on the way through.
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So the guys typically are holding it off and then
trying to hit little draw parts on the way through.
With our stuff, you don't need to. You can just
literally get there and just make a stroke and the
face is going to stay square to the arc.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Again. I've known Mac Barnhardt for over thirty years. He
has always been a spiritual guy.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Let go of control to gain control, as it relates
to both putting in life. Would do you subscribe to that?
Speaker 13 (20:06):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Absolutely? Absolutely? Yeah. And that's why I say, I I mean,
like you don't. I didn't know as much about the
technology as I probably should have until Lucas got it.
And then I started researching and calling people and you know,
already Cunningham on tours kind of my go to tech guy,
and you know, just get ideas from people about this putter,
(20:30):
you know, after Luke. I mean I wasn't but it
didn't matter what I thought about it anyhow. Lucas wanted it.
He's getting it. But then you start reading about it,
and you're like, man, that's that's different stuff, right, you know,
that's a lot further along than Carston did with with
the answer, right, I mean, I think, and it makes sense, right,
I mean, we we've come as we went up in
technology so much and all the other equipment, the gop balls,
(20:51):
the drivers, right and the shafts, even there hasn't been
a I mean, there's different pretty putters, but there hasn't
been a lot of technology change in the putting look
at it. So that was kind of interesting. And obviously
they must work. I think they're selling a lot of
them right now. If they're not, they're they're in trouble.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Adam Beach of My Golf Spy on the same subject, right.
Speaker 18 (21:17):
It goes back to what I was saying. With those
other putters, you have to you have to do some
work with those, whereas this you don't have to. So
we've been trained to not let go, to hold on
to you know, you watch people putt and they're like, oh,
you know, they're like trying to hold on and.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
Keep their face square, And I agree with that.
Speaker 18 (21:39):
You got to let go to not only in life,
but with putting to have it work real well.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And no one is more spiritual than Glover's friend Michael Simms.
His laughs were some of my favorite moments from this series.
Speaker 13 (21:53):
That's a life lesson.
Speaker 19 (22:00):
Times when we're holding on too tight, you know, things
don't go the way that they should. But the second
we let go things start to flow. It just all happened.
(22:21):
It all happened right when I was supposed to is.
Mac always said to me, I'll never forget this. On
a pudding green in two thousand and seven, I made
a comment about something and he looked at me and
he goes, Michael, You're always right where you need to be, Bud.
Speaker 13 (22:38):
And it may not be comfortable sometimes, and it may
not be where you want to be, but you're always
right where you need to be. And we don't know
why you just are. That's all right, fucking right.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I certainly enjoyed talking golf in life with Adam Scott,
forever one of my favorites to watch and root for.
Here he is on letting go of control to gain control.
Does that ring true to you? Is that something that
makes sense to you?
Speaker 12 (23:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 20 (23:17):
I think absolutely it does. I think you know, I
try and do that with my entire game. But we're
we're so professional in a sense. We think of everything
all the time. We're trying to be so good at
every little part of it. And when it comes to
performing and shooting the lower score, you know, you want
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to have all the stuff under control that you've thought
about and then forget it and just and execute and
just play and just let go. And that's what I'm
trying to do generally, so I think I think that
does ring true. I probably didn't have the internal fights
that Rummy had in his head with the putter. I
was just like, Yeah, this swing's really good. Yeah, this
(23:57):
is getting a consistent role. I don't need to find
necessarily fault with it. How about I just use this
thing and make more putts. And I was enjoying that
end of it. And I've really enjoyed the relationship with
Sam and his team and being able to give him
feedback and then being receptive to that feedback, and in
(24:18):
developing the mez and the mes Max and you know,
getting to a place where I feel like I'm putting
with as good a putter as I can put with.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
It's possible none of this becomes such an incredible story
if it wasn't for Tim Wilkinson being an early adopter
and getting the number of starts Han needed to get
the credential that got him inside the ropes and on
the practice putting greens of tour events. Here's Wilkinson on
the same subject.
Speaker 21 (24:48):
You know, putting, you always, I mean, when you're putting poorly,
you're always trying to control the stroke as much as
you can, and the strike and speed and rather than
being more athletic and yeah, just letting your instincts take over.
And I think that Potter, with the technology that it has,
can allow you to do that for sure.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
And then there's Kelly Slater, not only one of the
greatest athletes of my generation again eleven world championships in surfing,
which is mind boggling to anyone who knows anything about
surfing and sports in general. Here he is on letting
go of control to gain control.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
It makes sense because, like I was saying, the revealer
reveals all. And when you see somebody take If somebody
puts your favorite putter in there you've had forever and
the toe starts flipping around and it you know, it
doesn't hit square. You realize that you have to try
and control your putter to make it work, as opposed
(25:44):
to letting it just do its job and you're just
along for the ride. Putting's so freaking hard already. Why
make it any harder? You want something that's just gonna
make it easier and easier. I'm surprised maybe the rnals
try to outlaw it. You know, it's the new Sam's
need putting between your feet.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
It't be that easy. We have to insist it.
Speaker 9 (26:05):
Yeah, we're gonna roll back. It's gotta be way harder.
You've had no three putts in three rounds.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, we're rolling back the ball. We're outlying good putters.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
That's that's when I heard you were involved, or that
you you had an impact. You know. He talks about
all these magic moments that have happened, and you using
it is one of the magic moments, which then leads
to Adam, which then leads to Lucas, which is how
this whole chain of like good vibes happens that leads
(26:34):
to where they are now.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
So it's kind of a.
Speaker 9 (26:36):
Yeah, that's cool. I'm I feel fortunate to to you know,
be in there and and and be friends with these
guys because I'm you know, I'm a golf fan. Obviously.
I love the game. I love the history, I love
the I love watching I love seeing the competition. It's
in my blood. And and you know.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
Two.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
Be some part of that story is really fun. And
same thing. I was playing with Charles Howl in Florida
and Charles saw me strike stroking the ball and he's like, oh,
you know they had mentioned it to me or contact me.
He's like, think I'm gonna check that out again.
Speaker 22 (27:16):
I think he's I think it's in his back now,
not sure, but last year it was, so I mean,
it's fun, it's it's it's a really it's those are
good memories, cherished memories for me in my golf life.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
You know, it's really cool. Well, thank you for taking
the time to do this. I I've talked to Chewie.
I've mentioned it to him. I'll just mention it to
you now. But the twenty two the pipeline story, the
buzzer beater is a story that I would love to
try and tell, not only through your words, but with
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all the observers and all the people that were a
part of that, almost like as a cherry on what's
been your your just like insane career, but like I
would love to tell a story about that. You know,
I'm I'm you know, I know just enough about surfing
with my family and the involvement in Hawaii and the surfing.
But someday I may come back to you and try
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to see if I can pin you down on telling
that story.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
So yeah, that'd be awesome. I was in I was
in Namibia last week about a week and a half
ag surfing, and there was just an incredible swell that
everyone around the world heard about. So about one hundred
and fifty people probably flew to this place to go surf.
And I'm walking up the beach, so it's about it's
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about a mile long point break, so you got to
rock you surf about a mile down. You walk back
up and the wind's blown about twenty thirty miles an hour,
and you got to walk against the wind, and the
sand is like almost like quicksand there the way that
you just kind of sink in the sand. So it's
I mean walking that thing. Everyone's walking between sort of
five times and twelve fifty twelve fifteen times a day
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if you're really like in good shape, and the amount
of energy it us is just crazy. It's just you're
so beat afterwards. But anyways, I'm walking back up the beach.
At one point I'm walking next to the sky and
we get the chat and he's he's Australian, and uh,
he goes, hey, man, I got to confess something to you.
We're just about to put we're putting our leashes and
(29:20):
we're about to jump back in the water. He goes,
I got to confess something to you. When you won pipeline,
I started crying. Man, and and uh, he goes, I've
never met you, he goes. But I'm about the same
age and just meant so much to me. And I've
heard that from so many people like it felt really
special to a lot of people. And that's, you know,
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another reason why it was the best win of my career.
And you know, there's a pretty good chance it will
be my last win. And it's at my favorite event,
and you know the place I as a kid I
dreamt of doing well at and even just being able
to surf and not be scared.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Well, Kelly, thanks for this. Enjoy your Friday play well.
Headed up to the goat with the little guy and
meeting up with with Simsey and Ashy and uh and
I'm sure I'll see up there at some point soon.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Yeah, stay high to ash for me. And I'm just
at the I'm in that traffic right before Ocean side
heading south.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Oh brutal, that's brutal, brutal.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Lay traffic, dude, this thing is brutal.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Here, No, I know, I'm dreading it, but but I
got to get up there. I got to hit some balls.
We got monthly Metal tomorrow, so I got to make
sure I'm ready for for tomight. I just came back
from thirty nice Ireland. Thirty days in Ireland, which is
by the way. They get some big ass swells out there.
Have you ever surfed the Ireland swell?
Speaker 9 (30:39):
And I've been there once, but it wasn't giant. It
was just nice and clean. But Mulligmore on the West
Coast is as big and intense as any wave in
the world. It's a friend of mine. A friend of
mine was up there about a decade ago, just chasing waves,
a big wave guy, and he showed me, well, he
did an article and surf his journal and showed me
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a couple of pictures himself. But he said it was
the biggest he's ever seen. And he's surfed all the
biggest waves around the world, and he said it was
by far the biggest ways he'd ever seen. He was
sure it was one hundred feet plus and judging by
he had pictures this wave that it's a big right
on an outer reef and normally it kind of just
feathers and it can only be let's say it's like
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fifty sixty feet on a big day. And he said,
just in comparison, this day was breaking top to bottom
barrels outside of where he normally sees it break at
like sixty feet. And so the depth of water and
the intensity in the ocean, like the amount of energy
they were seeing, he said, like nothing he's ever seen
like you get you know, you're get in a situation
out there, you're never gonna get found. But he just
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said a one hundred foot waves are out there for sure.
I saw him.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
If interested, there's a cool little digital short called Cold
Comforts in which Peter Klein talks to Conor Maguire about
surfing the biggest waves of Ireland at Maligmore, which is
in County Sligo, only twenty five minutes from the County
Slago Golf Club. Ross's point, I couldn't help myself. Here's
a short clip of Maguire on surfing those waves.
Speaker 23 (32:10):
I guess what's so unique about Ireland as it's the
island itself is made up of rock formations that are
millions of years old, and that's kind of what makes
our slabs and our other points and reefs so perfect
and amazing on their day. Also, our dramatic weather that's
carved the coastline and on different setups is just yeah,
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it really adds to it and it makes it all
the more dramatic. And when the light does come out,
it's always ethereal and a bit magic. And yet there's
a lot of different things that make Ireland so special.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
On the subject of overcoming fears, we'll wrap all of
this with Jason Kuhne, the former Navy seal sniper who
helped guide Glover into overcoming the yips and back into
the winter circle.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Are you still working with Lucas per Se or I mean,
are you guys still sort of having.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Off and on.
Speaker 24 (33:03):
It's just more like kind of check in and guidance
here and there when he feels appropriate. All of the
information that I have to deliver to him has been delivered.
So when I work with players, we record the meetings
and they're uploaded to a folder for them to go
back and review and.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Keep and the idea behind that.
Speaker 24 (33:17):
That's another thing with sports psychology as well as one
of my frustrations is I'm here to train them from
point A to point B. Okay, to a point where
they don't need me anymore. That's the idea behind it,
and then just passed me off to someone else if
they need me around forever.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
In terms of.
Speaker 24 (33:36):
You know, just just all that not now some of them, yeah, hey,
it would never hurt to have a performance coach around
providing guidance and whatever else. Okay, But in terms of
learning what they need to learn and being able to
apply it on the field, if they need me around forever,
then I'm not doing my job properly.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
You know.
Speaker 24 (33:53):
If a corporate group hires me on retainer to consult
for them and teach human performance to their people, and
they got to keep me around forever, then I'm not
getting that information delivered and effectively apply for them. I'm
not doing my job properly. So that's the idea behind it.
Is to take a player from point A to point
B to the point where they don't really need me anymore.
And I think that's pretty much where he's at.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
I'm going to go through that wall you're sitting in
front of right now.
Speaker 24 (34:18):
Yeah, that's that's what we do. This is the world
I live in. And you know, for athletes that may
be listening, you know, we're still breaking in into the game.
I've got my colleague Sean Kanagi, who is my mentor
in the Sealed Team's twenty three years in, one of
the most respected special operators in the community, and we
are breaking this down. So there's Stonewall Solutions, there's yipsfree
dot Com, and then Shawn and I are run in
(34:38):
Parabellum Performance dot Com and it's you know, we're not
going to take everyone. It's going to be exclusive for
serious people who seriously want to win and train them
up and you know, from there, perhaps start bringing in
more highly experienced operators to learn the curriculum and develop it.
With these guys both their education and application. We're going
(34:58):
to take them to the golf cour and we're going
to do things that are very untraditional and unorthodox. We're
gonna we're going to simulate the environment of chaos as
much as we possibly can to where golfing in a
match should seem simple and easy train like you fight,
as well as other times where it's just nice and
easy learning the material. And that's that's what we want
(35:21):
to do. We want to take this to the next level,
you know one because we enjoy it and we understand it.
But to get these athletes what they deserve in terms
of this, because I'm tired of seeing I had. It's
not my words, but a pro golfer sat down with
me a couple of weeks ago and he was telling
me about his experiences and working with sports psychology, and
he said, Man, what I've experienced so far and the
(35:42):
money I've spent on it should be considered malpractice. And
I'm just tired of hearing stories like that. Let's get
these guys what they need with people who know what
they're doing and who have applied the skills they're asking
others to apply and just win everything.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
You know, what would it cost me to have you
just sort to follow me around every day and just
be like my security guard. You could be my mental coach,
my life coach. You can help me like just overcome
anything and everything. What what does that?
Speaker 4 (36:12):
What does that cause? Just be seven days a week?
Speaker 24 (36:16):
Yeah, well, you know we're not we're not super cheap,
but we're very effective at what we do. And I
think that the results people get through what we provide
to them, they end up coming out on exponentially on top.
Speaker 10 (36:28):
You know.
Speaker 24 (36:29):
So, uh, yeah, we can we can certainly talk about
that for sure.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
Well, you've you've certainly helped me in this process of
telling what I think is a very compelling story that
goes you know, and and it's beyond Lucas, but it certainly.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Culminates with Lucas as it relates to this, this narrative
and you taking the time and sharing all this with me.
I just wanted to say thank you, thank you for
your service, thank you for all that you've done for
our country and for us and our you know, our
our peace and safety, but also you know, what you're
continuing to do to help these people. It's really really
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it's really powerful stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
So thank you.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
Pleasure meeting you, and I hope to actually get to
shake your hands someday.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
So yeah, it's.
Speaker 24 (37:15):
Great to meet you as well. I'm going to start
getting around to some of those golf courses and you know,
meeting some folks and learning the game better. Probably start
playing some golf. I've got some assets now to help,
you know, some of the best in the world that
teach me how to play, so I should probably take
advantage of that. But now the good folks out there,
like yourself and those telling them the story and allowing
me to have a platform to get this information out.
(37:35):
There will no doubt get to some athletes that whose
careers will be saved and or enhanced through it through
their efforts, not mine, but in contribute, you know, in
the contributions that I make. And so thank you as well.
Speaker 7 (37:46):
Thank you Jason, Thanks, enjoy the rest of your weekend
and and and hope to cross passing.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yes, sir see you buddy.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Put another log on the fire. Doing here is get
the tie
Yeah, dude, it's it's everything you would think it's you know,
to one one of the one of the weird kind
of transitions that we have to make emotionally is that
like we're not underdogs anymore, you know, but for the
last two weeks we still were. And yeah, dude, it
(00:25):
was like fucking hoosiers. You know. It was just absolutely incredible.
It was just, uh, it was one of the it's
a once in a lifetime experience, and in fact, most
people don't even get it once in a lifetime. And
then yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Know, I was.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
There was a lot of tears and a lot of excitement,
and and then Monday morning here at the factory, you know,
we had all hands meeting. We got fifty seven of
us now at work here and all of us, you know,
got together and just just a release, just a full on,
(01:03):
fucking just release of tension and emotion and like it's
not just me man, like my my employees. Every single
person in this building is like legitimately passionate about what
they do, Like real deal fucking passionate, and they live
and die by every the same way I do. It
(01:23):
was incredible, you know, it was an incredible morning. We
all get together about nine thirty in the morning, which
was you know, they had actually that morning gotten in
there at four am because our fucking ac is broken.
Its one hundred degrees here, and uh so they got
in early to you know, to work while it was
still cooler, and and it was incredible. You know, we
(01:45):
had this wonderful meeting and lots of hugging and high
five and and screaming and hooting and hollering, and then
we had to get back to work and the work work.
Pert's pretty fucking hard.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Lave all the fire. Nobody here is getting time. Welcome
to the fire pit with Matt Chanella.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
There you have it. The end, as Sam Han articulated
in that hook Lab, Golf is back to work, and
in addition to Adam Scott, guys like Will's Alatorus been on, Camilla,
Vijaygis and Grayson Murray are all using their putters now. Meanwhile,
Lucas Glover is number thirty five in what's left of
the so called official world golf rankings. As we approach
(02:37):
the Masters of twenty twenty four, Glover has slipped back
to one hundred and sixty third in strokes gained putting
one hundred and fifteenth in putting average and one hundred
and twenty ninth in putts per round. But he's not yipping,
and no one can ever take away career wins number
five and six. As I said in the first episode,
I had no idea that the first call to Han
(03:00):
in August of twenty twenty three would lead to an
eight part now nine parts series on a putter company.
But if you've been following along, it's a story that
is so much more than just about a putter. For me,
this was Sam Hans's story and Bill Pressey's story. It's
a Bob Duncan, Matt Holme, Stuart Smith, Tim Wilkinson, Liam Bedford,
(03:23):
Von Taylor, Jeff Slowman, Kelly Slater, Adam Scott, Brett Rumford,
Mac Barnhart, Michael Simms, Jason Kuhn, and of course Lucas
Glover story. As with all of my podcasts, at the end,
I like to get reflections from the protagonist, share some
of the best comments and quotes that didn't make the
main narrative, which is what I'm going to do in
this episode. But before we get to more thoughts on
(03:45):
Glover the Putter, the idea of letting go of control
to gain control one hundred foot waves in Ireland and
final comments from a Navy seal. Another thank you to
Dormy Workshop for sponsoring this podcast. We have a lot
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(04:09):
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your next purchase of a headcover, putter, cover, duffel bag
and more on Lucas Glover's accomplishments of twenty twenty three.
Here's a final reflection from Jeff Slowman. For a guy
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like that who's been grinding so hard or hits it
so good, and to keep your card for that long
and put that bad, that's a small miracle in itself.
I think everybody felt good for him.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
As a professional golfer, and especially people that know Lucas.
We didn't feel good about it. We felt great for him,
you know. And if you've ever had some trials and
tribulations with the putter, which almost to a man, every
professional golfers gone through, whether it's for a week, a month,
a year, or decades. You know, that's this feeling of
(05:09):
hope you can come back and put like a kid,
you know, because I don't think kids ever ten years old,
fifteen twenty, you know, eight year olds, they're just they
don't care about the consequences of a miss because they're.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Going to make the next one right.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
And I think every psychologist would tell you put like
a kid with no cares in the world and nothing
about the miss. It's going to bother you. So yeah,
I mean it brought hope to every professional golfer, and
I thought that was great.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Here's von Taylor.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
When you see a guy like Lucas Glover and you
know what he's gone through and then to go back
to back wins like that out of like virtually nowhere.
What what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 8 (06:03):
I mean, that's kind of like what I was hoping
to happen to Reno, that it was going to like
blow up into this thing. And that's kind of like
that that dream we have, and that's why you never
quit because you always hope something's going to click. And
and the putters, obviously, I mean, the most important club
in the bag I believe in and Lucas that's all,
(06:24):
you know.
Speaker 9 (06:24):
I look, his whole.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Game looks great.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
I mean, he looks like he's swinging well too, but
you know, he just needed something like that to click
for him. And you know, kudos for him to try
so many different things. And I didn't realize it was
so bad. I just I hadn't seen some of those
videos of him, and you know those are those are tough,
Like I've never seen anyone strike one out of the
(06:48):
heel that far on that short one at on eighteen.
I just was like, wow, I didn't know it was
that bad. But you know, the more I've read about it,
it sounds, you know, it was a lot of mental
stuff going on, but to also break down those barriers
with you know, a different style putter, and then to
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be a playoff event. But it wasn't like it was
just back to back regular weeks. I mean that was
and he led the whole entire way and the cameras
are on him just for eight days straight or something.
I mean, it's just like and just to see him
continuously roll it well and just it's pretty cool to
see the transformation just all the way around. But mentally
(07:30):
that's got to be you know, I can't imagine what
he feels like inside. You know, it's just what you
dream of to break through and clear some hurls.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 10 (07:41):
And Lucas Glover, I don't know a ton about the
lab technology because I didn't want to because I tried
to use technology to beat it also, and so I've
kind of shied away from I mean, I just found
out what the lie was a couple or the loft
was a couple of weeks back. Uh, I just I
didn't want to know. I didn't want to know too much.
(08:03):
I didn't want to any of that to clog up
anything that was working. So I kind of ran away
from the tech stuff. But understanding that it works is
enough for me. And you know, obviously i'm pretty much
or pretty pretty good proof that it does.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Glover's friend and manager Mac Barnhardt.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
You can depend on Lucas being Lucas, and that's a
wonderful thing in this world, as you know, so good
or bad or ugly like it's uh, you can depend
on him and that's and that's what's made it fun.
But you know, I like, I say, he he deserves this.
He's a fighter, man, I mean he's and look we're
(08:50):
I don't like I say. People are like, what can
he do? I think he can win the Grand Slam.
He's never putted great. He can putt grat and he's
got a team around him. Now we know that works.
We know we got I mean, people go, you can't
say that he's this age. I might told me he
(09:10):
could have done what he did, and I know this gap.
I mean, like, he's not scared. I know he's been
in the gym almost every day since he's gotten home.
I thought to Kobe about his workouts. His workouts are
going good. He's yeah, he went to New York from
fashion Week. Let him have a week off. That's great,
you know, but he's back in the gym. I mean
he's back. I mean maybe not getting picked for the
(09:32):
Ryder Cup might add just a little more incentive. And
that's fine too. We'll take that right.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Back to Matt Home, one of the original salesmen of
the Directed Force design, on the business impact of clovers
back to backs, Sam said that from January to July
of twenty twenty three, they had sold about one hundred
and sixty Broom you know, Broom Labs. Right after Lucas
(10:02):
wins back to back they sold like two thousand, six
hundred in one month.
Speaker 11 (10:07):
Yeah, I could see that for sure. Yeah, it's it's
when it's validated. When it's validated by it, you know,
people people want to see it, they want to see
what they're using. And it's got a different story. It's
not like just different colors or weights. There's a complete
different set of principles being used. And that's pretty impressive
to be able to patent a mathematical formula. And Bill
(10:28):
got that done. But he has the patent for I've
seen it. And if anybody else makes a putter that
does what this putter does, they're in a hear from
Bill's lawyers, I'm sure, and in Sam's So it does.
It's an amazing it's an amazing It's going to be
in the golf House someday. I mean think some of
the original stuff it will be in the It'll be
that kind of a historic thing.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I wanted to revisit and share a few of the
perspectives on the idea of quote letting go of control
to gain control or take control, which again started with
Brett Rumford, the Australian short game guru. Here's Sam Hun.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know, like my tagline is like you know you've
in the past you have to keep a face square
and with us, all you have to do is let
a face stay square. And his whole thing is you
have to let go of control to gain control. That's
how he describes, you know, what the what the feeling is,
and a lot of the high level pros the feedback
we get is they describe this very kind of vague feeling,
(11:25):
you know, in along kind of similar to what we
talked about before about you know, just kind of how
the potter head disappears. That's a good thing. That's when
you know you're doing it right. When it kind of
feels vague and free, that's when you know the putter's
face is squared up to the plane that you're putting
it on. It's when you start feeling resistance. That's when
you know you're off.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Here's Brett Rumford.
Speaker 12 (11:45):
And for me, it's it's all about with the lad product,
it's all about for me, it's like giving up control
to take control and I think so many people, you know,
whether it's a personality or otherwise, try to, you know,
control the face, control of the stroke, and they get
so caught up in the stroke and the plane and everything.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Else, which is all good and well, you do your work, but.
Speaker 12 (12:04):
And you know, the holy grail is having it perfectly
art and have your face to path and all the
rest of it. But there's got to be a point
where you just got to go play, and you just
got to go. You just got to get just give
up all the controlling element and you just got to just.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Let it go.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Rumford was not only one of the hardest guys to
track down for this series, he was also well worth
the weight and one of my favorite voices in this story,
not only his walking analogy.
Speaker 12 (12:30):
Mastery comes down to mastering the movement and then everything
switches off, so everything deactivates. So when you walk, you've
mastered the art of walking. Yes, So if I were
to ask you, what do you activate in your legs
when you walk? Truthfully, just walk, anyone, just got it
out of your couch, whoever's listening to this right now,
and just walk and walk a little bit faster when
(12:50):
I say that, and walk a little bit faster again,
and tell me what's being activated. You couldn't tell me.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
You wouldn't know, But especially as it related to that
idea of letting go of can and as he put it,
to take control the essence of the lie angle and
balanced technology. And I loved the story. Rumford shared about
the experience he had when he had to make a
tricky putt to win a tournament with the lab putter.
As he described it his quote, light bulb moment.
Speaker 12 (13:17):
All I can remember was when I hit it, I
just went, my god, that was the best part I
think I've ever hit. But I think it was more
the sense of the feeling, my heightened sense of emotion
that really connected me to this stroking his part.
Speaker 13 (13:35):
But it was just amazing.
Speaker 12 (13:36):
In that situation where normally you might feel a little
bit of the tension or a little bit of the
grab or a little bit of that after the hit,
you feel like that little bit of the acceleration or
that I wouldn't use the word apprehension, but it's it
is what it is. It's just nerves and the rest.
But this thing just flowed and it just went off
in my hands, and I just looked up and I
(13:56):
just went, Wow, that's got to be the purest part
I think I've ever hit. Subsequently, subsequently it went in.
But irrespective of that, I just find, I mean that
that feeling and memory will last with me for a
long while, because I'd say to Sam, if I had
have had this technology, maybe when I first turn pro
who knows how many order one, maybe with the broomstick,
(14:18):
A part of very well with the broomstick. But yeah, look,
it's just it's quite amazing technology. It's pretty cool and
you just got to experience it, but you sort of
you have to give it some time too, because so
many people don't like the feeling of no control. They
don't like the feeling of like giving up, that feeling
of where the face is or the awareness of it.
(14:38):
And it's just I love the internal feeling where everything
just switches off through here rather than trying to feel
this tension. I just love the flow of it. And
you get into the flow after a while, but it
takes time.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
And then Bill Pressey on Rumford's summary of how to
utilize the technology.
Speaker 14 (14:55):
I think people let go of their fears. The hardest
thing that even though you like it's a fear. You
think it would be easy to let go of, right,
but fear in golf is the hardest thing by far.
This car tissue in and and the memories that that
that exist in lurking your subconscience somewhere during that backstroke,
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they tend to open the door, and that is the
the fear there's You know what fear comes from, I'll
tell you it comes from missing, right, comes from missing
You know what you miss is torque and unless you
(15:41):
practice enough, or you've got this innate ability to know
this particular golf club just like a good driver or
like a good wedge that you have, you know it.
Speaker 13 (15:53):
You know what it's gonna do.
Speaker 15 (15:57):
But when you take away the torque, you could take
away the fear and start reprogramming. And then you know,
if you miss putts, it's a misread or or you
made a poor stroke, it wasn't the yips though the
yips is, there's no bigger fear.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I've had a lot of great conversations with Bill Pressey.
After our original interview, he has been listening to the
podcast as he rides his bike, much like a lot
of his close friends. I love that he's getting the
attention and credit that he and his revealer deserves. Stuart
Smith is one of those friends, first on letting go
of control to gain control, and then on Bill Pressey's
(16:37):
back nine of life.
Speaker 16 (16:39):
That's saying resonates pretty strong in golf anyway, but probably
even more so with this putter. When you put this
putter in their revealer and you see that that putter
isn't going to move when it when you swing it on,
it's playing it just it doesn't budget. It's amazing.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
What a story, you know, literally from rags to what
would be aimed Riches right, uh, from you know, from
out of his trunk of his car to now being
able to kind of you know, take a breath and
and think about what's next, and you know, think about
what's next in life and keep this positive, you know,
(17:16):
path to a back nine that looks like it's going
to be a lot more a lot more fun than
maybe the front nine of his life. Would you would
you would you agree with all that?
Speaker 16 (17:27):
I would concur Yeah, he's you know when you see
him now, I mean he's he's happy. You can tell
he's happy within himself, and I know he's finally overcome
a lot of some of the struggles that he's had,
But you know, the one thing that he's never lost
is the is the passion for learning, the passion for
(17:48):
his self belief and his product. Maybe he's had to
overcome some self belief in himself, but certainly just the
self to be validated in the golf world like he
has now with with lyingle balance is a pretty amazing accomplishment,
and I think he's maybe finally recognizing the impact that
(18:11):
he has created through no one else, through everyone else's
disbelief early right, people are finally now starting to believe him.
You wonder why a face balance putter is so great?
I said, I still wonder myself. You know, we still
wonder why was face balanced such a big thing? Lyingle
balance is just it's the it's the next step.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Another guy I enjoyed getting to know was Liam Bedford,
the guy who built Glover's original lab putter.
Speaker 17 (18:41):
The physics of the putter is trying to stay square.
If you put the putter in motion and it's trying
to square it square itself. So if you the way
the only way that you can manipulate the putter is
with type grip pressure and your hands are the only
things that can move the putter, so you can either
open the face or close the face with your hands.
If you don't do that with your hands, the ball
will start on the starting line. So if you give
(19:03):
up control by taking loose grip pressure and just allowing
the product to do what it's doing, the ball will
start on its starting line. And so if you can
find your speed with super light grip pressure and just
let the potter swing like, you will start it on
your starting line. And if you have a good speed,
you're giving yourself a better chance. The people that we
(19:23):
have a hard time with the guys that typically death
grip it and then want to hit putts and like
guide putts in because they're managing talk. The reason they
have type grip pressure is because the potter wants to
twist in their face because of the way the weight is
in the potu. So they for a guy with a blade,
the blade's trying to do this on the way on
the way back, and then this on the way through.
(19:43):
So the guys typically are holding it off and then
trying to hit little draw parts on the way through.
With our stuff, you don't need to. You can just
literally get there and just make a stroke and the
face is going to stay square to the arc.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Again. I've known Mac Barnhardt for over thirty years. He
has always been a spiritual guy.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Let go of control to gain control, as it relates
to both putting in life. Would do you subscribe to that?
Speaker 13 (20:06):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Absolutely? Absolutely? Yeah. And that's why I say, I I mean,
like you don't. I didn't know as much about the
technology as I probably should have until Lucas got it.
And then I started researching and calling people and you know,
already Cunningham on tours kind of my go to tech guy,
and you know, just get ideas from people about this putter,
(20:30):
you know, after Luke. I mean I wasn't but it
didn't matter what I thought about it anyhow. Lucas wanted it.
He's getting it. But then you start reading about it,
and you're like, man, that's that's different stuff, right, you know,
that's a lot further along than Carston did with with
the answer, right, I mean, I think, and it makes sense, right,
I mean, we we've come as we went up in
technology so much and all the other equipment, the gop balls,
(20:51):
the drivers, right and the shafts, even there hasn't been
a I mean, there's different pretty putters, but there hasn't
been a lot of technology change in the putting look
at it. So that was kind of interesting. And obviously
they must work. I think they're selling a lot of
them right now. If they're not, they're they're in trouble.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Adam Beach of My Golf Spy on the same subject, right.
Speaker 18 (21:17):
It goes back to what I was saying. With those
other putters, you have to you have to do some
work with those, whereas this you don't have to. So
we've been trained to not let go, to hold on
to you know, you watch people putt and they're like, oh,
you know, they're like trying to hold on and.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
Keep their face square, And I agree with that.
Speaker 18 (21:39):
You got to let go to not only in life,
but with putting to have it work real well.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
And no one is more spiritual than Glover's friend Michael Simms.
His laughs were some of my favorite moments from this series.
Speaker 13 (21:53):
That's a life lesson.
Speaker 19 (22:00):
Times when we're holding on too tight, you know, things
don't go the way that they should. But the second
we let go things start to flow. It just all happened.
(22:21):
It all happened right when I was supposed to is.
Mac always said to me, I'll never forget this. On
a pudding green in two thousand and seven, I made
a comment about something and he looked at me and
he goes, Michael, You're always right where you need to be, Bud.
Speaker 13 (22:38):
And it may not be comfortable sometimes, and it may
not be where you want to be, but you're always
right where you need to be. And we don't know
why you just are. That's all right, fucking right.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I certainly enjoyed talking golf in life with Adam Scott,
forever one of my favorites to watch and root for.
Here he is on letting go of control to gain control.
Does that ring true to you? Is that something that
makes sense to you?
Speaker 12 (23:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 20 (23:17):
I think absolutely it does. I think you know, I
try and do that with my entire game. But we're
we're so professional in a sense. We think of everything
all the time. We're trying to be so good at
every little part of it. And when it comes to
performing and shooting the lower score, you know, you want
(23:37):
to have all the stuff under control that you've thought
about and then forget it and just and execute and
just play and just let go. And that's what I'm
trying to do generally, so I think I think that
does ring true. I probably didn't have the internal fights
that Rummy had in his head with the putter. I
was just like, Yeah, this swing's really good. Yeah, this
(23:57):
is getting a consistent role. I don't need to find
necessarily fault with it. How about I just use this
thing and make more putts. And I was enjoying that
end of it. And I've really enjoyed the relationship with
Sam and his team and being able to give him
feedback and then being receptive to that feedback, and in
(24:18):
developing the mez and the mes Max and you know,
getting to a place where I feel like I'm putting
with as good a putter as I can put with.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
It's possible none of this becomes such an incredible story
if it wasn't for Tim Wilkinson being an early adopter
and getting the number of starts Han needed to get
the credential that got him inside the ropes and on
the practice putting greens of tour events. Here's Wilkinson on
the same subject.
Speaker 21 (24:48):
You know, putting, you always, I mean, when you're putting poorly,
you're always trying to control the stroke as much as
you can, and the strike and speed and rather than
being more athletic and yeah, just letting your instincts take over.
And I think that Potter, with the technology that it has,
can allow you to do that for sure.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
And then there's Kelly Slater, not only one of the
greatest athletes of my generation again eleven world championships in surfing,
which is mind boggling to anyone who knows anything about
surfing and sports in general. Here he is on letting
go of control to gain control.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
It makes sense because, like I was saying, the revealer
reveals all. And when you see somebody take If somebody
puts your favorite putter in there you've had forever and
the toe starts flipping around and it you know, it
doesn't hit square. You realize that you have to try
and control your putter to make it work, as opposed
(25:44):
to letting it just do its job and you're just
along for the ride. Putting's so freaking hard already. Why
make it any harder? You want something that's just gonna
make it easier and easier. I'm surprised maybe the rnals
try to outlaw it. You know, it's the new Sam's
need putting between your feet.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
It't be that easy. We have to insist it.
Speaker 9 (26:05):
Yeah, we're gonna roll back. It's gotta be way harder.
You've had no three putts in three rounds.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah, we're rolling back the ball. We're outlying good putters.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
That's that's when I heard you were involved, or that
you you had an impact. You know. He talks about
all these magic moments that have happened, and you using
it is one of the magic moments, which then leads
to Adam, which then leads to Lucas, which is how
this whole chain of like good vibes happens that leads
(26:34):
to where they are now.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
So it's kind of a.
Speaker 9 (26:36):
Yeah, that's cool. I'm I feel fortunate to to you know,
be in there and and and be friends with these
guys because I'm you know, I'm a golf fan. Obviously.
I love the game. I love the history, I love
the I love watching I love seeing the competition. It's
in my blood. And and you know.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
Two.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
Be some part of that story is really fun. And
same thing. I was playing with Charles Howl in Florida
and Charles saw me strike stroking the ball and he's like, oh,
you know they had mentioned it to me or contact me.
He's like, think I'm gonna check that out again.
Speaker 22 (27:16):
I think he's I think it's in his back now,
not sure, but last year it was, so I mean,
it's fun, it's it's it's a really it's those are
good memories, cherished memories for me in my golf life.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
You know, it's really cool. Well, thank you for taking
the time to do this. I I've talked to Chewie.
I've mentioned it to him. I'll just mention it to
you now. But the twenty two the pipeline story, the
buzzer beater is a story that I would love to
try and tell, not only through your words, but with
(27:50):
all the observers and all the people that were a
part of that, almost like as a cherry on what's
been your your just like insane career, but like I
would love to tell a story about that. You know,
I'm I'm you know, I know just enough about surfing
with my family and the involvement in Hawaii and the surfing.
But someday I may come back to you and try
(28:12):
to see if I can pin you down on telling
that story.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
So yeah, that'd be awesome. I was in I was
in Namibia last week about a week and a half
ag surfing, and there was just an incredible swell that
everyone around the world heard about. So about one hundred
and fifty people probably flew to this place to go surf.
And I'm walking up the beach, so it's about it's
(28:36):
about a mile long point break, so you got to
rock you surf about a mile down. You walk back
up and the wind's blown about twenty thirty miles an hour,
and you got to walk against the wind, and the
sand is like almost like quicksand there the way that
you just kind of sink in the sand. So it's
I mean walking that thing. Everyone's walking between sort of
five times and twelve fifty twelve fifteen times a day
(28:58):
if you're really like in good shape, and the amount
of energy it us is just crazy. It's just you're
so beat afterwards. But anyways, I'm walking back up the beach.
At one point I'm walking next to the sky and
we get the chat and he's he's Australian, and uh,
he goes, hey, man, I got to confess something to you.
We're just about to put we're putting our leashes and
(29:20):
we're about to jump back in the water. He goes,
I got to confess something to you. When you won pipeline,
I started crying. Man, and and uh, he goes, I've
never met you, he goes. But I'm about the same
age and just meant so much to me. And I've
heard that from so many people like it felt really
special to a lot of people. And that's, you know,
(29:41):
another reason why it was the best win of my career.
And you know, there's a pretty good chance it will
be my last win. And it's at my favorite event,
and you know the place I as a kid I
dreamt of doing well at and even just being able
to surf and not be scared.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Well, Kelly, thanks for this. Enjoy your Friday play well.
Headed up to the goat with the little guy and
meeting up with with Simsey and Ashy and uh and
I'm sure I'll see up there at some point soon.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Yeah, stay high to ash for me. And I'm just
at the I'm in that traffic right before Ocean side
heading south.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Oh brutal, that's brutal, brutal.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Lay traffic, dude, this thing is brutal.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Here, No, I know, I'm dreading it, but but I
got to get up there. I got to hit some balls.
We got monthly Metal tomorrow, so I got to make
sure I'm ready for for tomight. I just came back
from thirty nice Ireland. Thirty days in Ireland, which is
by the way. They get some big ass swells out there.
Have you ever surfed the Ireland swell?
Speaker 9 (30:39):
And I've been there once, but it wasn't giant. It
was just nice and clean. But Mulligmore on the West
Coast is as big and intense as any wave in
the world. It's a friend of mine. A friend of
mine was up there about a decade ago, just chasing waves,
a big wave guy, and he showed me, well, he
did an article and surf his journal and showed me
(31:01):
a couple of pictures himself. But he said it was
the biggest he's ever seen. And he's surfed all the
biggest waves around the world, and he said it was
by far the biggest ways he'd ever seen. He was
sure it was one hundred feet plus and judging by
he had pictures this wave that it's a big right
on an outer reef and normally it kind of just
feathers and it can only be let's say it's like
(31:23):
fifty sixty feet on a big day. And he said,
just in comparison, this day was breaking top to bottom
barrels outside of where he normally sees it break at
like sixty feet. And so the depth of water and
the intensity in the ocean, like the amount of energy
they were seeing, he said, like nothing he's ever seen
like you get you know, you're get in a situation
out there, you're never gonna get found. But he just
(31:45):
said a one hundred foot waves are out there for sure.
I saw him.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
If interested, there's a cool little digital short called Cold
Comforts in which Peter Klein talks to Conor Maguire about
surfing the biggest waves of Ireland at Maligmore, which is
in County Sligo, only twenty five minutes from the County
Slago Golf Club. Ross's point, I couldn't help myself. Here's
a short clip of Maguire on surfing those waves.
Speaker 23 (32:10):
I guess what's so unique about Ireland as it's the
island itself is made up of rock formations that are
millions of years old, and that's kind of what makes
our slabs and our other points and reefs so perfect
and amazing on their day. Also, our dramatic weather that's
carved the coastline and on different setups is just yeah,
(32:33):
it really adds to it and it makes it all
the more dramatic. And when the light does come out,
it's always ethereal and a bit magic. And yet there's
a lot of different things that make Ireland so special.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
On the subject of overcoming fears, we'll wrap all of
this with Jason Kuhne, the former Navy seal sniper who
helped guide Glover into overcoming the yips and back into
the winter circle.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Are you still working with Lucas per Se or I mean,
are you guys still sort of having.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Off and on.
Speaker 24 (33:03):
It's just more like kind of check in and guidance
here and there when he feels appropriate. All of the
information that I have to deliver to him has been delivered.
So when I work with players, we record the meetings
and they're uploaded to a folder for them to go
back and review and.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Keep and the idea behind that.
Speaker 24 (33:17):
That's another thing with sports psychology as well as one
of my frustrations is I'm here to train them from
point A to point B. Okay, to a point where
they don't need me anymore. That's the idea behind it,
and then just passed me off to someone else if
they need me around forever.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
In terms of.
Speaker 24 (33:36):
You know, just just all that not now some of them, yeah, hey,
it would never hurt to have a performance coach around
providing guidance and whatever else. Okay, But in terms of
learning what they need to learn and being able to
apply it on the field, if they need me around forever,
then I'm not doing my job properly.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
You know.
Speaker 24 (33:53):
If a corporate group hires me on retainer to consult
for them and teach human performance to their people, and
they got to keep me around forever, then I'm not
getting that information delivered and effectively apply for them. I'm
not doing my job properly. So that's the idea behind it.
Is to take a player from point A to point
B to the point where they don't really need me anymore.
And I think that's pretty much where he's at.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
I'm going to go through that wall you're sitting in
front of right now.
Speaker 24 (34:18):
Yeah, that's that's what we do. This is the world
I live in. And you know, for athletes that may
be listening, you know, we're still breaking in into the game.
I've got my colleague Sean Kanagi, who is my mentor
in the Sealed Team's twenty three years in, one of
the most respected special operators in the community, and we
are breaking this down. So there's Stonewall Solutions, there's yipsfree
dot Com, and then Shawn and I are run in
(34:38):
Parabellum Performance dot Com and it's you know, we're not
going to take everyone. It's going to be exclusive for
serious people who seriously want to win and train them
up and you know, from there, perhaps start bringing in
more highly experienced operators to learn the curriculum and develop it.
With these guys both their education and application. We're going
(34:58):
to take them to the golf cour and we're going
to do things that are very untraditional and unorthodox. We're
gonna we're going to simulate the environment of chaos as
much as we possibly can to where golfing in a
match should seem simple and easy train like you fight,
as well as other times where it's just nice and
easy learning the material. And that's that's what we want
(35:21):
to do. We want to take this to the next level,
you know one because we enjoy it and we understand it.
But to get these athletes what they deserve in terms
of this, because I'm tired of seeing I had. It's
not my words, but a pro golfer sat down with
me a couple of weeks ago and he was telling
me about his experiences and working with sports psychology, and
he said, Man, what I've experienced so far and the
(35:42):
money I've spent on it should be considered malpractice. And
I'm just tired of hearing stories like that. Let's get
these guys what they need with people who know what
they're doing and who have applied the skills they're asking
others to apply and just win everything.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
You know, what would it cost me to have you
just sort to follow me around every day and just
be like my security guard. You could be my mental coach,
my life coach. You can help me like just overcome
anything and everything. What what does that?
Speaker 4 (36:12):
What does that cause? Just be seven days a week?
Speaker 24 (36:16):
Yeah, well, you know we're not we're not super cheap,
but we're very effective at what we do. And I
think that the results people get through what we provide
to them, they end up coming out on exponentially on top.
Speaker 10 (36:28):
You know.
Speaker 24 (36:29):
So, uh, yeah, we can we can certainly talk about
that for sure.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
Well, you've you've certainly helped me in this process of
telling what I think is a very compelling story that
goes you know, and and it's beyond Lucas, but it certainly.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Culminates with Lucas as it relates to this, this narrative
and you taking the time and sharing all this with me.
I just wanted to say thank you, thank you for
your service, thank you for all that you've done for
our country and for us and our you know, our
our peace and safety, but also you know, what you're
continuing to do to help these people. It's really really
(37:07):
it's really powerful stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
So thank you.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
Pleasure meeting you, and I hope to actually get to
shake your hands someday.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
So yeah, it's.
Speaker 24 (37:15):
Great to meet you as well. I'm going to start
getting around to some of those golf courses and you know,
meeting some folks and learning the game better. Probably start
playing some golf. I've got some assets now to help,
you know, some of the best in the world that
teach me how to play, so I should probably take
advantage of that. But now the good folks out there,
like yourself and those telling them the story and allowing
me to have a platform to get this information out.
(37:35):
There will no doubt get to some athletes that whose
careers will be saved and or enhanced through it through
their efforts, not mine, but in contribute, you know, in
the contributions that I make. And so thank you as well.
Speaker 7 (37:46):
Thank you Jason, Thanks, enjoy the rest of your weekend
and and and hope to cross passing.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yes, sir see you buddy.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Put another log on the fire. Doing here is get
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